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Raiders aren’t looking so stable any more

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, January 16th, 2011 at 6:12 pm in Oakland Raiders.

So here’s the Raiders’ postseason scorecard:

– Dismissed coach Tom Cable despite a lot of support in the locker room.

– Embarked on a coaching “search” which is expected to name offensive coordinator Hue Jackson as the new coach within the next few days.

– Saw Pro Bowl cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha eligible to join the ranks of unrestricted free agency by failing to reach a number of likely to be reached incentives.

– Had a story become public courtesy of ESPN that owner Al Davis fined Cable $120,000 over a 12-week period (most coaches are paid every other week) while the coach was leading the Raiders to their first season in seven years that didn’t result in 11 or more losses.

There was no specific reason given for the fines, although the ESPN story said Davis was upset over losing two days of organized team activities last June because their practices were judged to be too intense for offseason workouts.

(Beat writer Steve Corkran supplies some background in this Bay Area News Group story on the Cable-Davis dynamic)

Just when it seemed the franchise associated with disfunction was stabilizing and becoming functional, the Raiders are again looked upon as a franchise adrift.

Davis has apparently cut off communications with his last two coaches, men who took polar opposite approaches.

Lane Kiffin wanted no part of Raiders tradition, put his issues with Davis in the media, did everything he could to get fired and eventually accomplished his goal. He was fired “with cause” with Davis using an overhead projector as a prop.

Cable embraced everything about the Raiders, from on-field philosophy, to traditional rivalries, and even managed to do what Norv Turner, Art Shell and Kiffin could not _ put a competitive product on the field _ one that was downright dominant within the AFC West.

The Raiders declined to pick up the option on his contract, something Cable certainly knew would be the case considering his paychecks had been $20,000 light every other week.

Cable has kept a low profile and has not been available for comment.

His agent, Don Yee, said in an e-mail, “The league will process the matter accordingly.”

Within the next few days, Jackson is expected to be named head coach, probably at a press conference similar to eight others that have taken place over the last 16 seasons since the Raiders returned to Oakland.

Jackson will be full of enthusiasm and optimism, citing the team colors and tradition. Davis, hopefully, will be on hand to promise better days ahead and give his own unique spin.

All that will be left will be for Jackson to hold on to his job and his money as Davis attempts to navigate the Raiders back into prominence at age 81 through an uncharted maze of labor unrest, mass free agency and declining revenues.

And to think things were looking up after that 31-10 win over the Chiefs.

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  • RaiderRockstar

    It seems like Saunders is a good fit as OC for Hue

    ***

    Al Saunders is like 63 years old

    what is with Al Davis and old dude offensive minds?

    Tom Walsh, Ted Tollner, Paul Hackett, etc

  • confucius400

    rex ryan has a whole family of experience buddy and rob

  • J Hill

    On top of that both QB’s sucked! Whose fault does that lie with? One would assume the guy who proclaimed to own the offense, designed plays, and called them?

    ——————————————————

    Can we take out the games where the QB sucked?

    You know like the adjusted stats for Cable when the QB sucked last year?

  • Raider 510

    Ok we’re talking about HC experience. Just cause he breathed NFL didn’t guarantee him success. He’s proved he’s his own person and a damn good HC with 0 prior experience. Better than Rob who had that same family experience.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    Hue has practical NFL coaching experience. Harbaugh’s NFL coaching experience is very limited. Playing time in the NFL has little to do with a person’s ability to coach at the highest level, in any sport. I can’t think of last coach who came directly to the NFL without any prior NFL coaching experience and had success in the NFL. Almost all successful NFL coaches are former NFL assistants, not former college HCs. Saban, Petrino, Erickson, Spurrier….all NFL failures.

    Hue’s practical experience as a long-time NFL assistant coach plays to his favor. That is undisputable.

  • J Hill

    RRS,

    Saunders was hailed as an All Star type OC just what 2 years ago? Wasn’t he paid like 6 million a year to go to Washington and no one was complaining about that?

    Now we get the 6 million dollar OC for what 1.5?

    Al is the man!

  • aig-raiders

    Rex Ryan has won as the DC for the Ravens. The guy responsible for that vaunlted D during his time there as DC.

    If I’m not mistaken, Here is Hue’s bio.

    2003 OC Skins – 5-11 record and 22nd in scoring.
    2007 OC Falcons – 4-12 record and 29th in scoring.
    2008-2009 Ravens – QB coach. Hardly the person responsible for the offense like an OC.

    But hey, he’s really qualified to be an NFL HC.

  • bigblackdeath29

    raiders offense with hue jackson scored 30 pts in six games.cable ran 2009 scored 30 0 times.

  • JONTRAIN

    Jason Campbell – Average
    Bruce Gradkowski – Average
    Offensive Line – Average
    Wide Receivers – Below Average
    Tight End – Good
    Running Backs – Very Good

    We need like 3-5 more talented players on this side of the ball. That’s a lot

  • confucius400

    JONTRAIN Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:

    1. Jimmy Johnson
    2…….. Fill in the blanks for me, people
    Barry Switzer, who won a Super Bowl with the Cowboys 3 tom coughlin

  • aig-raiders

    It’s puzzling to me how some of you have spent years on hear picking on other people’s quallification from career W/L, and yet you are now promoting another guy with some lousy W/L as well.

  • Raider 510

    So what makes Harbaugh qualified to head coach in the NFL Aig? I’m dying to see your stats.

  • aig-raiders

    raiders offense with hue jackson scored 30 pts in six games.cable ran 2009 scored 30 0 times.

    ———————

    In 5 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense produced the following results.

    13-38 Tenn
    9-17 SF
    3-35 Pitt
    10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
    19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)

  • JONTRAIN

    Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:

    1. Jimmy Johnson
    2 Barry Switzer
    3 Tom Coughlin

    Any others?

  • bigblackdeath29

    659.JONTRAIN Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
    Jason Campbell – Average
    Bruce Gradkowski – Average
    Offensive Line – Average
    Wide Receivers – Below Average
    Tight End – Good
    Running Backs – Very Good

    We need like 3-5 more talented players on this side of the ball. That’s a lot
    —————————————————
    offense line-below average

  • JONTRAIN

    I think the courting of Jim Harbaugh shows the power of the media these days. The amount of money thrown at him was astounding.

  • confucius400

    JONTRAIN Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:

    1. Jimmy Johnson
    2 Barry Switzer
    3 Tom Coughlin

    Any others?
    tony dungy

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    JONTRAIN Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:

    1. Jimmy Johnson
    2 Barry Switzer
    3 Tom Coughlin

    Any others?
    _____________

    Even Caughlin had a bunch of NFL coaching experience before he went to BC. Giants, Eagles, Packers prior to BC.

  • bigblackdeath29

    663.aig-raiders Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
    raiders offense with hue jackson scored 30 pts in six games.cable ran 2009 scored 30 0 times.

    ———————

    In 5 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense produced the following results.

    13-38 Tenn
    9-17 SF
    3-35 Pitt
    10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
    19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)

    —————————————————-
    cable in 16 games produce 0 30 pt games.cable got shut out by the jets,i know because i was there.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Wasn’t he paid like 6 million a year to go to Washington and no one was complaining about that?

    ***

    I don’t think it’s fair to assume that whatever Dan Snyder is paying somebody is what they’re worth!

    Hall, Haynesworth, McNabb, Shanny, Zorn, etc

    thats like paying $50 for a chef salad bro …

  • JONTRAIN

    @Bigblackdeath

    I agree, I was definitely giving them the benefit of the doubt for some good run blocking

  • J Hill

    In 5 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense produced the following results.

    13-38 Tenn
    9-17 SF
    3-35 Pitt
    10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
    19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)

    ——————————————————-

    Is that to say that in 3 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense was pretty good?

    Can we just not count Tenn, Pitts, and Miami just to be fair to Hue? You know, since the QB play was terrible as you have pointed out. I would like to apply the “Russell” exemption to those games.

  • aig-raiders

    Harbaugh is qualified because he has played the executive position of HC and actually played in the NFL for many many years. Just like a baseball player that excelled at Triple A has earned the rights to be called up.

    Harbaugh has earned the rights to be an nfl coach a whole lot more than your boy Hue Jack ever has.

    Anyone that has ever worked in a real job knows it’s a nite and day difference between being the assistant vs the guy with all the responsibilities.

  • bigblackdeath29

    cable scored over 20 pts 4 times in 16 games in 2009.

  • confucius400

    January 17th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
    JONTRAIN Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
    Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches:

    1. Jimmy Johnson
    2 Barry Switzer
    3 Tom Coughlin

    Any others?
    andy reid william and mary

  • J Hill

    thats like paying $50 for a chef salad bro …

    ——————————————————

    LOL!

    But none of the “experts” were saying that when he was hired. Nothing but praise and accolades from what I can remember.

    Point is the guy didn’t just turn into a bum OC 2 years later bc the Raiders picked him up.

  • aig-raiders

    5 out of 8 losses, Hue was out coached and out schemed. That represents over 50% of our losses. No I aint going to give him the Russell exemption because we sucked regardless of QB. That means our scheme sucked.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    AIG,

    If the win-loss record of a team where a potential HC once worked for was some sort of indicator of their potential as a HC, then every assistant from NE would be a success.

    Hue has found himself in some sketchy situations in Washington with the doomed Spurrier regime, and in ATL after the Vick debacle. Hue has had some success in Cinci with their Wrs and in Baltimore as their QB coach….and the improvement in Oakland last year was remarkable. Perfect? no, but when viewed against what the last guy accomplished, it was very very good.

    Too bad Hue wasn’t here in 2007, maybe Russell doesn’t fail.

  • aig-raiders

    I doubt the Hue Jack non-bandwagoneers are touting Cable as any good OC or better than Hue. We’re just NOT highly of Hue as some of you are. Hue’s offense was just as responsible for us missing the playoff as Marshall’s D or Fassel’s ST.

  • bigblackdeath29

    677.aig-raiders Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
    5 out of 8 losses, Hue was out coached and out schemed. That represents over 50% of our losses. No I aint going to give him the Russell exemption because we sucked regardless of QB. That means our scheme sucked.

    ———————————————-
    o.k. it`s hue fault they lost those 5 games.does he get credit for all 8 wins.

  • J Hill

    No I aint going to give him the Russell exemption because we sucked regardless of QB. That means our scheme sucked.

    —————————————————–

    And our scheme didn’t suck when Cable was calling plays with Russell?

  • JONTRAIN

    The list of very good college coaches who couldn’t find success in the NFL, as we all know, is very long.

    But let’s see if there’s anybody else that provides a precedent for Mr Harbaugh.

    Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches (*debatable, but we’ll leave em on the list):

    1. Jimmy Johnson
    2 Barry Switzer*
    3 Tom Coughlin*

    Any others?

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    aig-raiders Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
    Harbaugh is qualified because he has played the executive position of HC and actually played in the NFL for many many years. Just like a baseball player that excelled at Triple A has earned the rights to be called up.

    Harbaugh has earned the rights to be an nfl coach a whole lot more than your boy Hue Jack ever has.

    Anyone that has ever worked in a real job knows it’s a nite and day difference between being the assistant vs the guy with all the responsibilities.
    ___________

    Yeah,I see, that explains all of the great NFL HCs that came directly from college! Oh wait, there haven’t been many of those in the past 20 years! There goes that theory lol.

  • RaiderDuck

    On a more psychedelic note, this is what happens when Ray Ratto takes the wrong meds:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14562635/afc-title-games-fine-but-it-rex-the-pro-bowl

    Seriously, I challenge anyone to tell me what he was on when he wrote this…

  • aig-raiders

    Dakota,

    You painted a broad brush on Cable’s career with Oakland in terms of win/loss. If anyone that has been consistent in pointing out people’s career w/l on this blog, it has been you. Yet you are now making excuses for Hue. We’ll leave it at that.

    BTW, Hue was our OC when we decided to cut Russell in 2010.

  • confucius400

    JONTRAIN Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    The list of very good college coaches who couldn’t find success in the NFL, as we all know, is very long.

    But let’s see if there’s anybody else that provides a precedent for Mr Harbaugh.

    Successful college coaches who then became successful NFL coaches (*debatable, but we’ll leave em on the list):

    1. Jimmy Johnson
    2 Barry Switzer*
    3 Tom Coughlin*

    Any others?
    tony dungy minn.andy reid william and mary

  • J Hill

    5 out of 8 losses, Hue was out coached and out schemed.

    —————————————————–

    I’d agree that we could have seen a better offensive game plan in 5 outta the 16 games we played this year.

    I think by bringing in Saunders to chop it up with instead of that Shrek Hue had this past season, we will see improvement in that area.

  • M Lonetree

    NFL owners are for the most part liked caged bunny rabbits. Those bunnies will almost always crap in the same corner of their cages.
    So, like rabbits, owners keep returning to the same corner of their cage to find coaches from the WCO tree or the Patsies Way etc.
    To me it doesn’t show imagination or brilliance, it just shows habitual returning to the same pile of crap time after time.

  • JONTRAIN

    @Confucius

    sorry can’t count Andy Reid he was an asst for 6 years @GB b4 being a HC.

  • bigblackdeath29

    who`s fault is it that cable was 11-35 in collage?russel or hue?

  • aig-raiders

    How many asst NFL coaches have failed miserably as HC in the NFL if that’s what you guys want to use as logic?

    The point is you dont know and you’re best off going with a guy that has at least won or achieved something in their professional career.

  • aig-raiders

    off to the gym. I’ll check back later.

    Keep them honest RRS.

  • JONTRAIN

    @Confucius:

    Looking for coaches with big success/attention in college, and little to no experience in NFL coaching….

    it’s all good yall see my point

  • Raider 510

    Aig so as we stand, you don’t like Hue Jackson, right? Is that saying you would have rather kept Cable?

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    aig-raiders Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
    Dakota,

    You painted a broad brush on Cable’s career with Oakland in terms of win/loss. If anyone that has been consistent in pointing out people’s career w/l on this blog, it has been you. Yet you are now making excuses for Hue. We’ll leave it at that.

    BTW, Hue was our OC when we decided to cut Russell in 2010.

    __________________

    What win loss record does Hue have as a HC? None. Tom Cable’s atrocious W/L record as a H/C was certainly a point of contention because that was almost all there was to go on. When you are 11-35 even in college it is indicative of a loser…..but having a winning record in college does not = success in the NFL. History is clear on that point.

    As to your last point, it isn’t even worth my time it is so ridiculous.

  • aig-raiders

    oh wait Pete Carroll Confucious. Dont forget about him. He only took them into the playoff and won.

  • bigblackdeath29

    663.aig-raiders Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
    raiders offense with hue jackson scored 30 pts in six games.cable ran 2009 scored 30 0 times.

    ———————

    In 5 of our 8 losses, Hue’s offense produced the following results.

    13-38 Tenn
    9-17 SF
    3-35 Pitt
    10 – 33 Mia (Ford ST TD)
    19-31 Indy (Ford ST TD)

    —————————————————-
    by the way the 19 pts you credit hue with against indy would have out scored the cable offense 12 times in 2009 alone.

  • JONTRAIN

    @RaiderDuck

    Hilarious article. Should be fun to see the network try and show a “lighter” side of Belicheat

  • bigblackdeath29

    696.aig-raiders Says:
    January 17th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
    oh wait Pete Carroll Confucious. Dont forget about him. He only took them into the playoff and won.

    ——————————————————
    pete was a head coach for patriots and jets before usc.

  • JONTRAIN

    Jesus.

    Pete Carroll was an NFl HC with two different teams b4 USC.

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