Ochocinco and the Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, January 20th, 2011 at 12:49 pm in Oakland Raiders.
If Chad Ochcocinco and the Cincinnati Bengals are truly headed for a divorce as speculated on Bengals.com, Hue Jackson’s presence as head coach would seem to make the Raiders a potential destination.
If the team’s own Web site is floating the possibility, there’s probably something there.
When Jackson was hired, Ochocinco said on his Twitter account: “Congratulations 2 Hue Jackson for becoming the Oakland Raiders new head coach. Best receiver coach I ever had.”
Earlier this month, there were these tweets:
“I would not care where Hue Jackson got a job. I would go play for him, run through a wall, jump in front of a bus, etc. u get the point.”
“Man that was the greatest coach I ever had. Hue Jackson would choke me out, cuss me out, just to make sure I was precise on everything.
“It would be refreshing to be with Hue Jackson again. I know I wouldn’t have to worry about being thrown under a bus again.”
The “under the bus” reference has to do with his strained relationship with current Bengals coach Marvin Lewis.
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January 20th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
1 NATION…
January 20th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
uno
January 20th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Ocho and Murphy out wide, Ford in the slot, DHB running wind sprints on the sidelines, Chaz waving his crutches for encouragment.
January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Let’s see…
Would Pittsburgh, NYJ, Green Bay, or Chicago take a chance on Ocho?
Probably not.
Neither should we, if we plan on competing at their level.
January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
THe kid from Pitt would be the better option…
He has all of LeBeau’s Game and we know that Pitts D has been up a long long while….
January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
PA
LMAO @#3!
January 20th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
But I doubt Butler leaves anywhere…hes the hier to the Steelers D
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Sad to say you are right. I know which organization I’d rather work for.
But still, a fellow can dream!
January 20th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
“It would be refreshing to be with Hue Jackson again. I know I wouldn’t have to worry about being thrown under a bus again.”
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Did this guy once play for Tom Cable or something?
January 20th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Hue has a very strong personality. Ocho Cinco would not be a problem here under Hue. Get him.
January 20th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I rarely go to strip clubs,
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Of course not. Just once a day.
January 20th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
I’d rather have T.O.
January 20th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
T.O. would probably make Jason Campbell cry during the game though…..
January 20th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
it gonaa be tough to keep Nanmdi Asomah if cinco comes to oakland. too much money to sing both
January 20th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
MR, I blame Al for losing, not losses (though I don’t expect that to make sense to you).
January 20th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Hue has a very strong personality. Ocho Cinco would not be a problem here under Hue. Get him.
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I think you need a nap, too. You’re not that sharp. Maybe switching to caffeinated. Perhaps snorting a line of columbian coke. Something to wake you up, because you’re so slow right now you make Al Davis look like a rocket scientist.
Ocho Cinco plays for Marv Lewis, who has a reputation for being as tough as anyone, and for demanding discipline and focus out of his players. Marv can’t control Ocho, but Hue Jackson can? Again, go back to sleep.
January 20th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
“Man that was the greatest coach I ever had. Hue Jackson would choke me out, cuss me out, just to make sure I was precise on everything.
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With the steroid allegations and this comment from Chad including the phrase “choke me out,” Al already has grounds for not paying Hue, should he not work out, lol.
January 20th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Since TheReal AlDavisRaider has a cut and paste issue:
“bcz24 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I rarely go to strip clubs, but I have never gone to one because I was sitting around and couldn’t get laid. Bachelor parties and birthdays are the usual reasons, but we did go to one for a work Christmas party once. You see you try to pass judgement on all the other bloggers here bast on your pitiful existance, but most of it does not apply to us. You are as sad and sorry as the man you spend all your days hating. Real AlDavisRaider.”
January 20th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Let’s see…
Would Pittsburgh, NYJ, Green Bay, or Chicago take a chance on Ocho?
Probably not.
Neither should we, if we plan on competing at their level.
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The difference is, most of them already have a talented WR corps. Our guys are all very young with raw talent, but could really use a veteran WR to show them how its done in the NFL. And like somebody else said, Hue will keep him in line. I am all for this!
January 20th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
DUMBEST COMMENT OF THE DAY, EASILY!!!!
LA to TheBay Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
MR, I blame Al for losing, not losses
January 20th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Still do not see the logic in Jerry’s assesment that since T.J. Housh did not sign with us after he was cut by the Seahawks, he will not sign with us now?
Seahawks owed him cash, no matter who he signed with his signing salary would be subtracted from what the hawks owed him. Didn’t make sense for him to sign the 1 year deal with the Ravens to play with a contender?
So T.J. Housh or Chad?
January 20th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Ocho Cinco wouldnt cost anything
January 20th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
I just dont know that Al is over the myriad of risky FA signings from a few years ago. If Al was convinced that ochocinco could sell tickets, maybe he does it, but otherwise on a football level, I dont know that he supports that strategy anymore.
Somebody in the organization has certainly been against getting anyone that would lessen the development time for Murphy, DHB and now Ford.
We need to get Jer to write an article (because we know Al reads Jer’s stuff) in which he talks about how many people would buy tickets just to see ochocinco’s antics.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
You can not make this stuff up.
LA to the Bay blames Al for the losing, not for the losses. Get it? Jeez, pull your heads out, guys. The losing, not the losses! Big difference! LMFAO. This is one retarded group today.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
So T.J. Housh or Chad?
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TJ and Ocho reunited in Oaktown!
January 20th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
SD, I meant take a chance on Ocho Cinco and his attitude. the better teams in the league wouldn’t go near him because he’s a distraction. Neither should we, if we plan on becoming a better team. But then again, we don’t anyway. So we might as well sign him. Hue Jackson will do what he can, but Al will run him out.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Alright, guys, I’m out of here. I hope Al Davis has wins this year, but not winning! Just wins. I wouldn’t expect that to make sense to LA to the Bay. LOL. Later. You guys are too much today.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
And nobody goes to a strip club to get laid. Strippers are predominantly man-hating lesbians who just want to get their hands in your wallet. A good stripper will make you think you have a chance until last call and then after she has depleted your funds, she will go to sleep at her girlfriend’s house.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Ocho Cinco wouldnt cost anything
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What do we offer them in trade though, Cincy picked up his option for the year.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
When I listened to Hue at the PC talking about the offense, he said that they want to create an environment for the quarterback to succeed. This after talking about the talent we have on that side of the ball with McFadden, Ford, DHB, Schilens, Murphy and Miller. Al mentioned Marcel Reece and Michael Bush, and Hue talked about the young talent the Raiders have on defense, mentioning several players by name.
I found it telling that the offensive line wasn’t mentioned at all, and when you combine that with Jackson’s statement about creating a successful environment for his QB I think it’s safe to say that that’s where the emphasis is going to be, personnel-wise, in the offseason.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
SD, I meant take a chance on Ocho Cinco and his attitude. the better teams in the league wouldn’t go near him because he’s a distraction. Neither should we, if we plan on becoming a better team. But then again, we don’t anyway. So we might as well sign him. Hue Jackson will do what he can, but Al will run him out.
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Yea, I understood what you meant. What I meant was, they have the luxury of not needing to take a chance. Whereas we are so desperate for help at WR that I think we almost dont have a choice but to bring somebody like him in. I think we should have brought in Holt for dirt cheap, just as a mentor, but oh well, apparently the raiders dont think they need a veteran presence at WR.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Gallery can go to the sea…Good luck robert…
January 20th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
robert allery, and shane lech <—-both need to soldier and keep their mouth shut or GTF out…
January 20th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Its funny reading these posts, you all talk about class, yet you all wish Al Daivs dead. Thats class!!!! As far as Pagano goes, wasnt it the secondary that allowed a wr to get past them on a 3rd and 19 yards to loose the game last week?
January 20th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
I dont agree with the way Mr. Dais runs his business however, Would never want to see him dead…
January 20th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Ocho Cinco plays for Marv Lewis, who has a reputation for being as tough as anyone, and for demanding discipline and focus out of his players.
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Which is why he regularly builds a team of criminals and prima donnas, right?
January 20th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
The butler kid from pitt would make the best DCO… Wait until pitt wins the SB…Would love to have a D like Pitts, attacking lots of delayed B’s…
January 20th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Ocho isnt a bad player and isnt a bad person. He’s a little over the hill but he wouldnt cost that much.. Ocho does have some shenanigans on the field like excessive celebration but thats not that big of a deal. Plus he’s going to be cheap.. I bet the Bengals would take him for a 5th round pick and a Jolly rancher.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
3-4 ????
Can Henderson play 3-4 NT?
Can Wauffle coach a 3-4 DL?
What do we do with our excess on the DL?
Who are the 3 DL who start?
January 20th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
RMR,
I have longed learned to laugh at your stuff so no worries man. You’re not taken seriously at all.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Jacoby Ford will play alot more next year..Al almost sounded disgusted because Jacoby only played 8 games
January 20th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
lol… you gotta check this out…
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhFzsAyv4iCM4tUP8C
Favre spoof of LeBron commercial
January 20th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Slowcho Stinko is better than any WR we have. Ford may be faster, but doesn’t have the experience.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Brett Favrah has no business spoofing anybody’s press conferences.
Queen of the Divas, that boy.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
So I take it if Ocho Cinco comes here than DHB has to change his number?
January 20th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
We need a seasoned vet WR to calm the kids down during the game. I dont care just get any seasoned vet WR here.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
JFB
Tittie bars are not what they use to be.
I got laid plenty in the 70’s, early eighties, when I was partying all the time. They got off work and wanted to party too, not anymore.
I remember when Vegas did not have tabletop sluut machines. Bars were lots of fun but they changed too. Especially for women. Those things are addictive and rob people of a good time.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Donald Driver will available
January 20th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
funny schytt Favre spoof. Thanks.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Double R,
All is well thanks for asking! Off season over here just getting kids to work out and stay out of the BEER you know how it is in these small towns!! But next season is looking bright here and in Oakland I like Hue’s attitude!
January 20th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Ocho is known for over the top on the field antics, and running his mouth. Im not sure about a dude that cant get along with marvin lewis. lewis seems to let the inmates run the asylum and one of the easiest guys in the nfl to play for ( too easy ). This is why his teams underacheive year after year. i would much rather take a flyer on a guy like donald driver.
It used to be ok to ignore some of ocho’s crap because he was one of the best, now that his production has dropped off, is he really worth it?
January 20th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
As I said, MR, didn’t expect you to understand.
Let me spoon feed you information you should be able to decipher now as a big boy:
I blame Al for the culture of losing and for making terrible decisions from an organizational standpoint.
That being said, the 2010 Raiders were clearly good enough to go to the playoffs or at least be a winning team.
The lack of preparation and the absence of halftime adjustments in certain games is the fault of the coaches and the lack of execution is the fault of the players.
I know you hate Al, but he can’t be blamed for everything, lol.
Again, is Al in the locker room during halftime with a marker at the white board? Is Al out there running patterns?
I blame him for losing seasons, but to blame him for individual losses is just childish.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Chad is 33. The Raiders should only bring him in if he has to compete for playing time — and if he could live with being the 3rd or 4th guy.
He wouldn’t be able to stand it. Forget it.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
I knew what you meant, and I just got off the short bus.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Kelly @ the Zero tech….. could be good Seymour and ShoNasty and ends in a 3-4 I could see it
January 20th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Nick Miller and JLH won’t be back.
Minimum 2 WRs will be added.
January 20th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Houston and Moss backing up the ends with Henderson backing up Kelly frees up a roster spot maybe…..
January 20th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Will pick up a Veteran wideout.. Hopefully JLH wont be back and Nick Miller hasnt shown me anything.. I’ll take Ocho or Driver..
January 20th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
We’ll****
January 20th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
sign ochocinco so that he has to change numbers.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
I don’t know about Seymour at NT in a 3-4.
I have Seymour and Houston at DE.
Kelly would have to be traded.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Yeah lets get Chad, it is easier to get a washed up former star rather develop new talent.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Pretty sure its going to happen whether you want it to or not…
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# Thec07 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
I dont agree with the way Mr. Dais runs his business however, Would never want to see him dead…
January 20th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
I wish we would bring in a Lance Moore type of guy
January 20th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Jer, I’ve been talking about Ocho/Raiders for 3 weeks.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Imagine, if you can, any well run organization conducting a press conference like that spectacle on Tuesday. Just try.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
60.J Hill Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
I don’t know about Seymour at NT in a 3-4.
I have Seymour and Houston at DE.
Kelly would have to be traded.
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Kelly can play the NT Seymour And Shonasty at ends
January 20th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
I dont agree with the way Mr. Dais runs his business however, Would never want to see him dead…
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I’ll bet the Wayne Valley & Ed McGah families would love to see him dead. Probably got a kick out of looking at him the other day. Karma’s a beech.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Davis is coming to the end….. I wonder if Mark Davis is like his father?
January 20th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
# OAKlifer Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Kelly can play the NT Seymour And Shonasty at ends
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Kelly at NT inspires no confidence in me about our defense whatsoever. We need a big space clogger like Wilfork, Ngata, etc…
January 20th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
We have all the pieces required for the 34 other than the most important, nose.
Seymour, Houston, Kelly, Sho (maybe) are DEs
Wimbley, Groves OLBs (would need more depth there)
January 20th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Again, is Al in the locker room during halftime with a marker at the white board? Is Al out there running patterns?
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Obviously, he would be using an overhead projector.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
ocho has as sure hands as anybody in the league
January 20th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Why we would we go 34 after having a good deal of success (finally) as a 43 team?
47 sacks with Seymour and Kelly playing what looks to be their natural positions.
Good young ends like Houston and Matt, with versatile guys who can fill in like Wimbley and Bryant.
All we really need is a solid WLB and maybe Goethel to step up.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
I don’t think Wauffle is a 3-4 guy either. Not that’s he’s DC.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Whomever has been running the last two drafts (and to some extent the last 4 drafts) has some very definite patterns in their drafting. Interesting stuff when trying to project our picks in 2011.
1. There is often a player from the national championship team; see McClain in 2010 and Murphy in 2011.
2. There is always a DE taken; see Houston in 2010, Shaugnessy in 2009, Scott in 2008 and Moses/Richardson in 2007.
3. There is always one of the fastest players at the combine or pro day taken; see Ford, DHB, McFadden and Bowie.
4. There is often a workout warrior from Maryland taken; DHB in 2009 and Campbell in 2010.
5. There is always one player from a small school; Veldheer, Mike Mitchell, Arman Shields, O. O’Neal.
6. There is often a random, white, LB from the Pac-10 taken; Slade Norris in 2009 and Travis Goethel in 2010.
7. There is always at least one DB taken
8. There is always at least one WR taken
9. There is never a gaurd, center or DT taken (at least in the last 4 years)
January 20th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Ocho and Murphy out wide, Ford in the slot, DHB running wind sprints on the sidelines, Chaz waving his crutches for encouragment.
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freaking funny cuz it is true.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
This is how I envision a 3-4 shaping up with this roster as constituted:
OLBs: a rotation Wimbley, Scott, Groves. Or, rather, Wimbley and a rotation of Scott and Groves.
ILBs: McClain, Goethel
Ends: Seymour (duh), Kelly, Bryant
NT: Houston. He’s 6′3″, 305. Jay Ratliff is 6′4″, 303 and he’s one of the best in the business. Not all NTs have to be 330 pound lardazzes. (For that matter, Chris Hoke, Casey Hampton’s longtime backup in Pittsburgh, is 6′2″, 305) Although you wouldn’t hear me complain if they drafted one.
Henderson is not re-signed. Love the guy, but I’m not sure his health is going to hold up….a stress fracture in the foot of a guy that big is a bad sign at his age and a portent of things to come. Plus, at 6′7″, he’s too tall to be an ideal nose tackle.
Shaughnessy is trade bait. Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy, but 270 pounds is just not big enough for a 3-4 end. You could try him at OLB and see if he has the stuff to be a rush linebacker. Or see if he’d be willing to put on 10+ pounds. But otherwise, see what you can get for him on draft day.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Why we would we go 34 after having a good deal of success (finally) as a 43 team?
47 sacks with Seymour and Kelly playing what looks to be their natural positions.
Good young ends like Houston and Matt, with versatile guys who can fill in like Wimbley and Bryant.
All we really need is a solid WLB and maybe Goethel to step up.
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We’re just going off a report by Jay Glazer that the Raiders are thinking about a DC who runs a Rex Ryan-style 3-4.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
I love watching you guys waste your time thinking about the 3-4 lol.
Too funny.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Wonder what would lead Jay Glazer to “believe” Oakland is putting together a 3-4.
Didn’t cite a source or anything.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Dakota Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
I love watching you guys waste your time thinking about the 3-4 lol.
Too funny.
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It passes the time!
For instance, I’ve wasted enough time now that I’m now off the clock and free to go home!
January 20th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@# 3, 16, 41
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 20th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Maybe we won’t know if Al hired Al Saunders until we go to OTAs? If there are OTAs this year lol.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
““Man that was the greatest coach I ever had. Hue Jackson would choke me out, cuss me out, just to make sure I was precise on everything.”
….if anything Chad is getting me more excited for Hue at HC.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Why we would we go 34 after having a good deal of success (finally) as a 43 team?
47 sacks with Seymour and Kelly playing what looks to be their natural positions.
Good young ends like Houston and Matt, with versatile guys who can fill in like Wimbley and Bryant.
All we really need is a solid WLB and maybe Goethel to step up.
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Bra i rarely agree with you, but this time im wondering the same thing. we have one of the best pressure fronts in the nfl, why change up now?
January 20th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
DHB is in the final year of his contract, and this looks to be a make or break year for him. From the presser he seemd to still have Davis and Hu jack city in his corner. Chaz the glass also seems to still have the support. Not sure they will bring in any one at wr, accept for a 4-5th spot in the wr core.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
DHB signed a 5 year deal. Next year is only year 3 correct?
January 20th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
5 years?!?!?! I thought it was only a three year deal. oh well
January 20th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Bra i rarely agree with you, but this time im wondering the same thing. we have one of the best pressure fronts in the nfl, why change up now?
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Because we still suck at stopping the run.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Hue supposedly did put a head lock on Ocho at halftime in a playoff game in 05, when Ocho tried to go Marvin Lewis..
January 20th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
given the Al Davis drafting creed, here is my first guess at the draft:
2nd-Pernell McPhee, DE
3rd-Thomas Keiser, random white LB from the Pac-10
4th-Rashard Carmichael, CB and 4.38s 40-time
5th-Darvin Adams, WR from the national champs Auburn
6th-Da’Rel Scott, RB from Maryland/workout warrior
7th-Curt Porter, OT from small Jacksonville State
January 20th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
go *after*…errrr…
January 20th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
It might be a good time to go 3-4, if they lose Nnamdi, nah.
The Raiders were #2 in Sacks & Pass D.
Why was Marshall fired, gain?
January 20th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
The Raiders went from #26 to 11 in Team Defense this year.
January 20th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Bra i rarely agree with you, but this time im wondering the same thing. we have one of the best pressure fronts in the nfl, why change up now?
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Because we still suck at stopping the run.
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True run d stinks on ice but switching to a 3-4 doesnt mean you are suddenly a better run defense. Ask the texans
January 20th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
The Raiders went from #26 to 11 in Team Defense this year.
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they gave up at least 30 pts 6 times this year, and 31 in one half?!?!?!? marshall sucked
January 20th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
It might be a good time to go 3-4, if they lose Nnamdi, nah.
The Raiders were #2 in Sacks & Pass D.
Why was Marshall fired, gain?
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Because we still couldn’t stop the run. Gave up too many huge runs like in Tennessee and Jacksonville. That’s why Marshall was fired. And for that 5 safety package against Jacksonville. That alone was bad enough…
January 20th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Mistic, I think our primary disagreement was Gradkowski v. Campbell.
I was upset Davis replaced a scholarship #1 overall bust with another scholarship guy in Campbell. Bruce is a blue collar guy that was effective last year and delivered us the St Louis game this year. I think he turned in gutsy performances, but ultimately got himself injured with poor decisions.
Campbell managed the game more effectively and had impressive performances down the stretch.
I’m not so sure you won the bet and Campbell can come p;ss on my pillow, but I’m good with Jason as the starter next year and I think he and Hue can take it to the next level.
We’re on the same page. Good call.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
no ochocinco maybe chad johnson but check the ego at the door
January 20th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
It might be a good time to go 3-4, if they lose Nnamdi, nah.
The Raiders were #2 in Sacks & Pass D.
Why was Marshall fired, gain?
cuz we couldnt stop the big run play thats why
January 20th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
jones drew frank gore chris johnson ricky willams those runs all killed our playoff dreams
January 20th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
could we ever get Chip Kelly to leave his cush job……???? maybe next year or the year after???
January 20th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
NO WAY IN HELL THIS TEAM GOES 3-4. Ain’t gonna happen. Just like Gruden will never stand on the Raiders sideline in any coaching capacity again. Just like this team isn’t going to play a lot of zone coverage. Just like they aren’t going to start blitzing more. Which is exactly why a 3-4 wont be implemented. A 3 man pressure from the DL isnt enough to get to the qb without blitzing a LB fairly regularly and exposing our constant man to man coverage scheme.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Wonder what would lead Jay Glazer to “believe” Oakland is putting together a 3-4.
Didn’t cite a source or anything.
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Hue Jackson said in the PC that the Raiders will have an attacking defense. Leave it to someone like Jay Glazer to run with that, even though that’s all that Jackson said.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Ocho and Murphy out wide, Ford in the slot, DHB running wind sprints on the sidelines, Chaz waving his crutches for encouragment.
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I know I’m late but that’s funny as schiiiiit…
I’ll clutch on to my Ochocinco/ Schillens dream all offseason
January 20th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
It might be a good time to go 3-4, if they lose Nnamdi, nah.
The Raiders were #2 in Sacks & Pass D.
Why was Marshall fired, gain?
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Too many points allowed. 11th in YPG don’t mean nuthin when ur 20th in PPG allowed, which is barely an improvement from when he took over
January 20th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
#85 to the Raiders? Hasn’t his production fallin way off?
January 20th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Ochocinco isn’t as explosive as he used to be, but his routes are still super crisp and his hands are still like glue. Get it done Al. U wanna fill up that stadium? Get it done.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
where is the jay glazer article?
January 20th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Jontrain,
points allowed punishes a D for the special team giving up a big punt return, or a long kickoff return, or for the offense turning the ball over deep in their own territory.
We turned the ball over A LOT. Not sure how you fault the D for not having the opposing kicker miss a kick after that.
Yards is the measurement of what an opponent actually DID to your defense.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
I do agree with you Jon about getting Chad.
He becomes our #1 WR the moment he signs. How do you pass up a guy who would be the best at your position right away, if your point is winning games?
The Steelers have Ben and all his problems.
The Jets TRADED for Holmes and all his legal mess.
Chad doesn’t get into legal trouble. He just gets goofy sometimes.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
http://www.raiders-blog.com/2011/01/epic-al-davis-press-conference-review.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+RaiderNationStation+%28Raiders+Blog%29
In case anyone has STILL not seen the Al press-conference, that’s the link to it.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Bra, you cant be serious. there is only one stat that truly matters for a defense and its points allowed.
Pretty simple, you must outscore your opponent to win. Good defense over comes bad special teams and sloppy offense.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Davis is coming to the end….. I wonder if Mark Davis is like his father?
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not at all he will hire a GM an work closely with trask.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Whatever makes the Raiders better, but I can take a pass on Chad’s showboating. Its not too entertaining anymore. Just too much of it around the league. imo.
And I think he desire for attn and complaining can be counterproductive for the team. We want to build a bully, not bunch of divas.
But whatever they decide makes the team better.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I just don’t think his attitude fits is all. But he will make the team better for sure.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
3-4?
Think the old man saw the Jets’s aggressive defense built around the corners and wanted Jackson to copy it?
January 20th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
It might be a good time to go 3-4, if they lose Nnamdi, nah.
The Raiders were #2 in Sacks & Pass D.
Why was Marshall fired, gain?
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Too many points allowed. 11th in YPG don’t mean nuthin when ur 20th in PPG allowed, which is barely an improvement from when he took over
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how could you be 11th in YPG. 20th in PPG. It’s becuse the offensive turnover deep in the opposing teams field. Means we lost the turnover battle
that’s not John Marshall/al Davis fault
althought the tandem should be fired. But blame the offense
January 20th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
A7
I totally get your point, which is why YPG typically is the first stat people talk about. I, however, disagree in many cases.
Consider this years team. I don’t think our offense put the defense in a lot of bad situations because of turnovers. We were probably middle of the pack. But no matter where we were, we were MUCH better than last year in that regard, when our offense REALLY turned the ball over and screwed our defense on a week in week out basis.
But somehow we give up roughly the same number of points (23.7—->23.2)
Sorry I don’t have turnover stats for last year vs this year. I’m going off what I saw.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
where is the jay glazer article?
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None exists, far as I know.
He twittered it, tweeted it, twitted it – whatever
January 20th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Mistic,
there’s no way to “overcome” turning the ball over inside your 30. You’re going to give up at least a FG 90% of the time. Not sure how you’d fault the D for that.
Who did we give up big points to? The Jaguars, because we couldn’t stop the run. Who’s fault has that been for the last 7 years?
The Steelers. Hard for your D not to give up lots of points to one of the 4 best teams in the NFL when your offense only puts up 3.
The Titans. Kept that within reach for a half, Chris Johnson finally broke a long run (thank you, Al Davis out-dated defense), and our passing game was MIA that day.
Marshall gave us the best D we’ve had here since 2002, whether you’re counting yards OR POINTS. That’s kinda good.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
We did win the lombardi trophy using a 3-4 front, so it not like Al has an extreme prejudice against it. Im just wondering if he would make that switch based on our personel adn the fact that we had 4 dline men with at least 7 sacks.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I really think AL is done.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
NO WAY IN HELL THIS TEAM GOES 3-4. Ain’t gonna happen. Just like Gruden will never stand on the Raiders sideline in any coaching capacity again.
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The truth has been spoken….
January 20th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Dolphins game – Grads is a turnover machine, they wear us down with the run game (thanks Al Davis) and pick on Walter McFadden because he’s forced to play man defense as a rookie against a veteran guy like Devon Bess.
We gave up 30 to the Colts. They shut our running game out 1st half, McFadden was out 2nd half, they have Peyton Manning. I can live with it.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
We almost had to score thirty or more pts to win games
an rely on the defense creating turnovers
which wre did not do well capitolizing on those created by our d
there’s still work to be done fans. Lots of work
but the raiders are looking upward after being down for…..well u know how ling
January 20th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Just seems most of the blame falls on the run D, and Al Davis has had that issue as GM for over a decade now.
Not saying Marshall was great, but he was the best we’ve had in a while at running someone else’s defense.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
AL looks terrible… I know he’s always been ugly and looked like the crypt keeper but watching that press conference like 3times, you can tell his body is shutting down on him.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Alex,
holding a team to a fg when you have turned the ball over is over coming. the problem was the 44 touch downs we gave up. I think at least 25 of those were passing tds. good defense hold the opponent to fgs, bad defense coughs up the td. we were a bad td
January 20th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
We were only -2 in turnover differential this year, as opposed to -13 last year.
We gave up one KO TD (Arizona), and one lone KO return (Jax).
Special Teams did not screw the D this year, nor did the Offense. Our defense simply gave up too many TDs. We didn’t get crucial stops in the red zone, and we weren’t particularly opportunistic on D either.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
we were a bad defense*
January 20th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Speaking of Twitter,
Chad Johnson has mellowed out the last few years as far as celebration penalties that actually hurt the team. He seems now to just get in trouble for some of his twitter comments, which mainly costs him some moola.
Wouldn’t most of us trade that for a guy that can actually catch 70 passes for 800 yards and a handful of TDs? Not sure we can get that from any TWO wideouts combined next year.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
I don’t think it’s defensive personnel as much as it was scheme
an tyvon branch didn’t play well
January 20th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Jontrain,
would you agree that we had a top-10 pass defense (top-5 actually), thus most of the blame lies in the run defense?
And if you agree with that, and it’s been a problem for over a decade, and the only continuity during that time has been the D philosophy,
who’s fault is it?
January 20th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Ok R8ercain, I’ll grant you that.
And who’s scheme are we running 90% of the time?
January 20th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
AL DAVIS’
January 20th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Seriously, what would Dick Lebeau accomplish here if told he had to run man defense almost exclusively, and blitzing was discouraged?
Ehhh.
Only hope is that whoever the next DC is has the ++++s to run whatever he wants, Al be danged.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Hard to tell how much of the problem was scheme because there were so many break downs in execution. There were a couple of head scratchers like the all saftey defense, and starting scott at d end. How ever it is the coordinator and hc that are supposed to get the most out of the players, cable and marshall were an epic fail
January 20th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
On alot of touchdowns we gave routt,branch,huff,anybody but ASO
there backs were turned never able to make a play on the ball
let’s get those guys turned around sooner
I’m assuming if played rite it can be done since ASO does it so well
January 20th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Alex,
How did a medicore QB like Mark Sanchez, beat your boy Tom Brady, and all his stats?
January 20th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@Alex,
Yes but that’s a different point. I’m just saying that PPG is the bottom line, and to me, is more important than YPG unless your special teams and offense are both atrocious.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Can we blame the raiders for playiing so much man to man. You saw what happened whenever we went to zone. i think that lack of qaulity depth in the line backers and secondary killed any chance at disguising or changing up the coverages. The guys just couldnt be trusted not to screw it up. so you make it as simple as possible
January 20th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
He didn’t the jets defense beat Tom Brady
January 20th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Anyone have any thoughts on Chuck Cecil as the new DC? He will not be retained by the Titans according to pft.com
January 20th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Our Defense was SOOOO close to working this year. We had about 10-12 plays during the year that absolutely killed us. Perhaps it demonstrates that in our scheme, one person’s blown assignment or missed tackle means an automatic touchdown, regardless of distance from the goal line.
Our perhaps, it means we need a few better players.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
KK, the other week Cassell was my boy, and now Tom Brady is. How many others do I have?
9 of the 12 top-rated QBs in the NFL made the playoffs.
Two of the three that didn’t (Freeman for the Bucs, Manning for the Giants) missed the playoffs by 1 game.
You’re saying it doesn’t help to have a top QB?
You and I know we’re never going to make it on the backs of an exotic 3-4 zone-mixing defense.
A top QB is our best bet to the playoffs.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
I was just going to bring up Chuck Cecil. He’s as good as any of the other candidates out there, and has plenty of experience with 4-3 defenses. I’d be down.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
when the jets played the colts they locked up in a lot of man to man and barely blitzed at all, adn they won with it. what happened when we tried it? our secondary is truly overratted, our lbs cant cover, and our coaches failed to coax better play from the team.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Bingo Jontrain! On your first point, at least.
Man-to-man means that ONE mistake = long gain or TD.
Zone means ONE mistake = 3 other guys running at the ballcarrier to limit damage because they were actually facing the play.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
If you want to play man-to-man against the Colts, you need two big-time CBs. The Jets have that. The Raiders don’t.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Man Hue Jackson can get you pumped up! Man I hope this guy is THE GUY from here on out.
Listen to his interview on raiders.com. This guy is for real!
January 20th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Mistic,
the Jets also ran the ball very well vs the Colts, while we had our butts handed to us in our run game, which meant Manning was getting the ball punted to him every 4 plays.
But I agree that IF you decide to play man D 90% of the time, you better have Woodson on one side and Tramon Williams on the other.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
You’re saying it doesn’t help to have a top QB?
You and I know we’re never going to make it on the backs of an exotic 3-4 zone-mixing defense.
A top QB is our best bet to the playoffs.
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I’m saying we should have pounded the damned ball against the Colts, since we don’t have a great QB!, and we do have 2 great RB’s.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Hurry up n hire Al Saunders (hopefully). I want to know who they’re going to bring in on defense. These are probably the most important choices coming up right here. They will likel determine success or failure.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
I like cecil he also very intense and will be all over you when you screw up. he is nasty and was one of the meanest / dirtiest players when he played. I think he would fit in well in hu jack city!
I also like the fact that he knows the bear 46, im sure we would have a more versatile defense with a better coordinator, and a few player upgrades.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
playing man just gets so dang expensive. $20 million combined JUST for the 2 corners?
Colts and Falcons spend that on the entire back seven!
We have the top payroll because we NEED 11 superstars to try and run our D. We get about halfway there, then “oh yeah”, some of our guys get old or leave via FA.
Bears blueprint: Studs up front to pressure QB and stop the run. Average Joes in the secondary running zone to confuse QB or limit big plays. Await sack or QB mistake to end drives. Spend saved $ on QB upgrade!
January 20th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Bingo Jontrain! On your first point, at least.
Man-to-man means that ONE mistake = long gain or TD.
Zone means ONE mistake = 3 other guys running at the ballcarrier to limit damage because they were actually facing the play.
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LOL! I figured you’d pick option one…
But for real, replace Routt and Branch, with two players better than them, and our scheme works much better.
And the times we did play zone, our guys looked lost (per Mistic1 Tha Supavillain). That’s a big part of coaching, although the aforementioned players are guilty in those zone mishaps as well.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Mistic,
the Jets also ran the ball very well vs the Colts, while we had our butts handed to us in our run game, which meant Manning was getting the ball punted to him every 4 plays.
But I agree that IF you decide to play man D 90% of the time, you better have Woodson on one side and Tramon Williams on the other.
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YoungAmerican Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
If you want to play man-to-man against the Colts, you need two big-time CBs. The Jets have that. The Raiders don’t.
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Im with you guys 100% on this. We dont have the horses to run that race. but had to play man to man because the guys cant play zone either.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
IF Al Saunders gets on board I look for this offense to truly be a Top 5 offense next year (ignoring any delays/lockouts possibly pending).
All that matters then is what will happen on defense. Bringing in the right guy and having a legit Top 10 defense means we are playoff bound and fighting for a SB.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
KK, the Colts game was meaningless. Truly meaningless. Get off it.
We “tried” ramming the ball against the Steelers, 49ers, Dolphins, and Colts. Each time, the other D said “no” early on, took a nice 2 score lead into the 4th quarter, and we had nothing to fall back on.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Al Saunders has a big playbook and needs a QB to be decisive.
You think Jason Campbell will run that offense and have us be better than 27 other NFL teams.
Really?
January 20th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
If they went to a 3-4, it would probably be a couple of years before they’re any good at it. By then everybody associated with it would be fired.
Because, Davis is just not a 3-4 kinda guy.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
The Colts shut down MJD, DMAC, and CJ28 in consecutive weeks to end the season. They were doing something right… We tried running on them and it didn’t work. They were simply better that day.
Makes no sense to run when its 3rd and 11.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Mistic, that’s our catch-22.
We’re not “allowed” to practice zone.
We become not very good at zone.
Man D gives up too many big runs and doesn’t create confusion or turnovers (2nd-most important stat in football).
We try mixing some zone to alleviate that.
Repeat.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Campbell is the QB right now. I just have to hope he continues to get much better – really its a matter of him playing faster than he is now.
(The size of the playbook is not an issue: 1. Campbell has already studied it before 2. Hue can control the amount of installation in the offense so that 700pg book really doesn’t have to be at all)
January 20th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
@Alex7
I think size of Saunders playbook issue is much ado about nothing.
Hue knows Jason now, and will give him the gameplan and plays to best help him succeed.
At best, JC is a 26 td/ 13 INT kinda guy on a strong running team. We can win that way.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
KK,
we’ve been in the bottom third of points Defense for 7 straight years.
How much “worse” can a transition period be if we switch to zone?
Worse than worst?
January 20th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
It seems this secondary gets burnt more in zone than man.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
156.alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
playing man just gets so dang expensive. $20 million combined JUST for the 2 corners?
Colts and Falcons spend that on the entire back seven!
We have the top payroll because we NEED 11 superstars to try and run our D. We get about halfway there, then “oh yeah”, some of our guys get old or leave via FA.
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Bingo!! Al keeps trying to run his man-to-man defense by getting 11 starters that are better than their counterparts on the other side of the field. Well in the era of free-agency and salary caps, that is nearly impossible. That is why Al is increasingly taking risks in the draft and FA to try and strike gold.
The single biggest reason for the Raiders woes over the last 25 years is that man-to-man defense.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Whoa Jontrain, 26/13?
Jason had Saunders in Washington, and Clinton Portis, and Joe Bugel coaching the O-line, and pro-bowlers on that O-line.
His career best is 20 TDs. 5 out of 6 years he’s had a worse TD to INT ratio than the 50% you ask for.
I dunno. I mean it’d be great, but that’s the definition of wishful thinking.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Isn’t the whole point of getting Al Saunders the fact that he ran a non-vanilla offense full of motions, mixes of 3 and 4-wide, where smart QBs (Trent Green) made the correct reads and put up Pro-Bowl seasons despite not having the raw “talent” to do that in other systems?
And now we’re going to ask him to dumb it down for Jason?
I think you bring in a QB that can RUN the superb system, instead of toning down the system for a guy who holds the ball too long and isn’t adept at handling pressure Ds.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
KK, the Colts game was meaningless. Truly meaningless. Get off it.
We “tried” ramming the ball against the Steelers, 49ers, Dolphins, and Colts. Each time, the other D said “no” early on, took a nice 2 score lead into the 4th quarter, and we had nothing to fall back on.
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It may have been meaningless to the playoff picture, but 9 wins is better than 8, and not meaningless to a franchise with 22,000 season ticket holders. But, would have made the firing of Cable more difficult, I suppose.
Running teams don’t capitulate to a defense after 2 series of stops.
But. I’ll move on. I don’t think your the type to concede anything.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
great post BART.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
KK,
just blow it out your a$$ and be done with it.
“Al not a 3-4 kind of guy.”
how freakin’ stupid can you be?
1976 team/Super Bowl roster, Dave Rowe, NT, 3-4 defense.
1980 team/Super Bowl roster, Reggie Kinlaw, NT, 3-4 defense.
1983 team/Super Bowl roster, Reggie Kinlaw, NT, 3-4 defense
January 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Whoa Jontrain, 26/13?
Jason had Saunders in Washington, and Clinton Portis, and Joe Bugel coaching the O-line, and pro-bowlers on that O-line.
His career best is 20 TDs. 5 out of 6 years he’s had a worse TD to INT ratio than the 50% you ask for.
I dunno. I mean it’d be great, but that’s the definition of wishful thinking
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LOL… Understood. That’s why I said “at best”. This would be assuming he has his best years under Hue. Wishful thinking: absolutely. But that is what his upside is.
My point is if Hue can get JC to play to his potential, we can win without an elite QB.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
KK, I’ll concede that we’re not a true no-matter-what running team that can do it to anyone. We don’t have the O-line or QB to make that happen.
Colts, Steelers, Dolphins, 49ers = running game (O-line) fail.
When you can’t run it in ONE-FOURTH of your games, I’m not sure how dominant you are.
Wow, we ran it against the AFC West and NFC west. Join the rest of the NFL.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
KK,
just blow it out your a$$ and be done with it.
“Al not a 3-4 kind of guy.”
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Were you around back then?
January 20th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Jontrain, I enjoy chatting with ya.
I spend way too much time thinking about how good or bad Jason Campbell is. Key position on my favorite team, so it’s hard not to think about it.
I’m curious though, just looking at his overall career losing record, and lack of passing prowess, how much “upside” can be in him at age 29 now.
If there were other QBs that took 80 NFL starts before reaching that upside, I’d have something to hope on.
But every QB I researched showed his upside within 4 years of starting.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
KK,
was watching Clem Daniels run and Cotton Davidson throw to Art Powell in Frank Youell. You?
January 20th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
again with the jc bashing?
Saunders and jc have worked together before. saunders and hu jack run the same offense, they have the same philosophy, run play action deep passing. any qb that has learned 7-8-9 different offensive systems is not “dumb”.
Saunders is on the davis coaching tree. it goes like this Gilman-davis-corryell-gibbs/saunders.
Jc is the perfect qb for this system, this is why davis selected him.
Saunders modified the offense for green, because they had priest holmes and lj, and lacked speed at the wr. the biggest pass catching threats were tony gonzalez and holmes.
By the way i hope everyone is aware that davis has the one of the largest coaching trees in the history of the game, and some of the greatest coaches of all time came from this root. including walsh, gibbs and the like!
January 20th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
@Alex7
Eh. Wishful thinking. Sh*t, it’s the offseason LOL
I thought JC’s conservative approach was better for us in this type of transitional year, rather than Grads, who seemed more interested in perpetuating the “Legend of Bruce”
I been thinking a lot about Vince Young. Worth a shot?
January 20th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Let me see if i understand, you guys didnt like the way jc played the last 6-7 games of the year?!?!?!
January 20th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Tom Brady, after living a full life, died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around.
They came to a modest little house with a faded Patriots flag in the window.
“This house is yours for eternity, Tom,” said God.
………
“This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here.”
Tom felt special, indeed, and walked up to his house.
On his way up the porch, he noticed another house just around the corner.
It was a 3-story mansion with BLACK & SILVER sidewalk, a 50-foot tall flagpole with an enormous RAIDER’S logo flag, and SKULL & CROSSBONES masterfully etched on every window.
Tom looked at God and said “God, I’m not trying to be ungrateful, but I have a question.
I was an all-pro QB, I hold many NFL records, and I even won a few Super Bowls.”
God said “So what’s your point, Tom?”
“Well, why does Jason Campbell get a better house than me?”
God chuckled, and said: “Tom, that’s not Campbell’s house,
IT’S MINE!”
January 20th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Saunders modified the offense for green, because they had priest holmes and lj, and lacked speed at the wr. the biggest pass catching threats were tony gonzalez and holmes.
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That’s a good sign for us.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Conf400,
nice one.
KK,
I just get so tired of people expounding trite untruths that it begs me to address them. Perhaps if you stick to your tried and true recalling of every Raider franchise won-loss record throughout history you can just harp on what you know best.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
He can be pretty darn stupid…
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M Lonetree Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
KK,
just blow it out your a$$ and be done with it.
“Al not a 3-4 kind of guy.”
how freakin’ stupid can you be?
January 20th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Lonetree
Then you should know the only reason they switched to a 3-4 was when they acquired Ted Hendricks.
If Al Davis is a 3-4 kind a guy, don’t you think they would have play it in the last 22 years?
January 20th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
JC was a 96.7 passer the last 6 games.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Mistic,
JC’s meltdown game in Pittsburgh, his subsequent benching, his subpar game against the Broncos, and his awful game against the Colts were all within the last 6-7 games.
So no, nothing too impressive about throwing it well against the Jaguars and Chargers in that same span.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
KK,
I just get so tired of people expounding trite untruths that it begs me to address them.
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Your problem, is that you can’t stand any criticism of Al Davis.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
KK,
would you rather have a steady 85 QB rating guy,
or one who has games like JC had against the Titans, Rams, 49ers, and Steelers, where he literally gives the team NO CHANCE of winning,
and then goes lights out a few times a year to raise his rating back to 84 (19th in the league)?
Curious about your answer.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Lonetree
Have you not ever read Davis’ perceived virtues of Natural Pressure?
Do you really think that’s compatible with a 3-4?
Then you get mad and call me an idiot.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
1196 comp 1966 att 61% comp pct 13.247 yds 68td 46 int
Whats wrong with these numbers? they seem pretty good to me.
This crap about washington is over hyped. Samuels made the probowl but the o-line was not good. Portis was good at times but was often injured, and was a malcontent in the locker room. They changed offenses almost every year, and the team was as dysfunctional as any in recent memory.
Who did he throw to? Cooly was the best pass catching option. Randle el sanatna moss, joey galloway, david patten, james thrash, taylor jacobs, mike espy, brandon lloyd, jimmy farris recha caldwell, devon thomas malclom kelly.
you see mainly garbage.
I would say the fact that jc was able to be decent under these circumstances says more good things about him than any thing else.
January 20th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Alex
I’d rather have a superstar QB like everyone else. But, if you don’t have one, Run The Damned Ball.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
JC vs the Colts: 29/42 231 yds, 1 TD 0 INT
JC vs the Chiefs: 15/25 155 yds 1 TD 0 INT
Key stat: 0 INT. He doesn’t force the ball to covered receivers (shout out to B Grads)
He played poorly vs the Broncos and Steelers. Steelers I understand, our line was like a turnstyle.
Broncos game had me scratching my head.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Current list of quarterbacks
Jason Campbell
Bruce Gradkowski
Charlie Frye
Kyle Boller
Since the Raiders don’t have a first round pick in this years draft, Oakland is the most likely to acquire a quarterback from free agency or a trade.
With Tom Cable recently being fired, Jason Campbell’s future with the franchise will depend on the next head coach that is brought in to lead this team. With the second overall ranked rushing offense in the NFL, the Raiders would make a good fit for Vince Young, with the versatility that he brings to the table.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Jim Plunkett wasn’t no superstar, but Marcus Allen was.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Oh HELL NO on Ochocinco. I do not want that Twitter addicted little girl in Oakland. He’s a clown act and a fake.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
It’s a great evening to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
M — Right on the money, as usual. KK tells everybody what Al does and doesn’t do to HIS OWN team…and is never one to let the facts get the way of a good line.
To win their first Super Bowl, the Raiders switched to a 3-4 mid-season due to personnel changes…and because they had the right personnel to run the defense.
Only a true, non-fan HATER of the Raiders — the TEAM and PLAYERS — does what KK does in here…spreading the hate, whether true or not, to make his ugly point…which of course goes over like a lead balloon, since he’s got ZERO credibility with anyone who’s read more than 5 of his postings in a row.
Yes, real fans see the Raiders proudly competing, FINALLY… yet, the likes of KK compete with each other for attention to be the most bitter and cynical on this board. That is enough to tell us all where their priorities lie. Pathetic.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Hue Jackson said Jason Campbell played flawlessly down the stretch.
Draft one in the 2nd round.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Jontrain,
do you remember how bad JC was until the 4th quarter?
Honestly, about 100 of his yards and his TD came late in the 4th, when we were down 2 scores and the Colts D softened up a bit.
What JC did against the Titans, Rams, 49ers, Steelers, Broncos, and Colts for 3.5 quarters is par for his career.
Thus his 26-38 career record.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
The official, limited edition cereal of Cincinnati Bengals All-Pro Wide Receiver Chad Ochocinco!
Every box of Ochocincos is 14 ounces of Low Fat, Honey Nut, Toasted Oats goodness.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Alex,
Awful? really, readem’ and weep
december and january combined jc= 90 of 139 att, 1065 yds 6 tds 2 int
January 20th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
How is Ocho a Fake???????
January 20th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
The bottom line is this:
We are in a position to make some real upgrades at WR and OL talent wise. ***IF*** we can do that, then JC can be that steady 85-90 QB rating guy, and we can win more games.
It’s just not feasible to me that we can acquire a significant upgrade over JC this offseason, barring an unlikely blockbuster trade.
Vince Young is the wildcard
January 20th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
I agree JC didn’t throw many picks the final couple of games, but was it because of his awesome accuracy, or his constant checkdowns on 3rd and 9?
When your coaches have to coax you to “cut it loose”,
when you earn the nickname “captain checkdown” in DC,
when you complete 60% of your passes, but most of them are to the RB, FB, or TE
that isn’t someone you can win with, unless it’s 2010, and you play a weak AFC West and NFC West.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
KK,
you made an ignorant statement about Al and the 3-4.
No, Madstork HOF’s don’t come around every day. He was utilized him to the best of his abilities.
Yes, Al can be as mad as any egomaniacal mofo in the world.
But why hate on the old man and why make up crap that isn’t true to fact?
Is there a purpose?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
We have enough talent at all positions except oline (gotta coach em up) and JCampbell is a wild card but I’ll go out on a limb and say he’ll continue to improve under the same system and with improved WR’s. Hue will get us to the next level
January 20th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
JC was 1-5 outside the weak AFC West.
His 1 win was against the Seahawks.
Next year he gets the NFC North and AFC East.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
KK,
you made an ignorant statement about Al and the 3-4.
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F u bootlicker, you were out of line.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I wouldnt call the pitt game a “jc meltdown”
I would call it a “raider meltdown”
The o-line played like card board cut outs on ice skates, and the defense was shreded.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
I do think Orton would be an upgrade however
January 20th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Hue Jackson said Jason Campbell played flawlessly down the stretch.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
It’s a great evening to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
*******
Good evening Hayes…. And Yes it is!!!!
January 20th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
HayesDaze37,
yours is always a welcome perspective.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Hue Jackson said Jason Campbell played flawlessly down the stretch.
Does that sound like Vince Young is coming here?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Mistic,
Unfortunately, the NFL plays individual games, NOT random 5-week samples.
He was terrible against the Titans, Rams, 49ers, Steelers, Colts, and Broncos.
Good for him that he had a couple nice games against bottom-pass-D Jaguars and Chiefs teams late in the year.
If only we played weak teams all year long, we’d be fine.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Oaklifer,
O-line in 011!
January 20th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
KK, JC went 3-3 in his final 6 starts.
That actually IMPROVES his career win percentage.
Cupcake schedule. #2 run game to help him.
But hey, celebrate if you want.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Jontrain,
do you remember how bad JC was until the 4th quarter?
Honestly, about 100 of his yards and his TD came late in the 4th, when we were down 2 scores and the Colts D softened up a bit.
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Yes. But he didn’t press, or make silly throws, which is tough to do. I don’t recall him missing open receivers, tho I could be wrong. He actually had a better game than Manning, statistically. But they were able to run the ball (Dominic Rhodes on every other 1st Down??? Faaakkkk!), but we couldn’t.
If JC started flinging the ball around like Grads, we get blown out that game.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
KK,
I bow to some beings, but NFL owners are not on the list.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
KK,
you made an ignorant statement about Al and the 3-4.
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F u bootlicker, you were out of line.
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AAAAAhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
One of the best posts of all time.
M calls-out KK for being wrong (and spreading the falsehood as fact)…and KK comes back with the awesome f-bomb as his ONLY comeback.
What made him out of line?? Pointing-out that KK was LYING, is all.
Stay out of line, M!
This place can be hilarious at times.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
@Alex7
I think we agree that at BEST, JC is a 85-90, steady conservative QB.
Let’s hope Hue can get him to play at that level consistently.
If not, well, JC’s contract only runs thru next year!
January 20th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Yes M, that was the chant back then and is the chant now I’m a O-line type of guy!!!! LOL believe that was two years ago…..
January 20th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
[...] Jerry McDonald of InsideBayArea.com discusses the connection between the Raiders newly appointed head coach Hue Jackson and Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco. Jackson was the Bengals wide receivers coach before leaving to take the Raiders offensive coordinator position. [...]
January 20th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Jontrain,
Vince Young
throws to his WRs better than JC,
has a better winning % than JC,
turns the ball over less,
gets sacked less often,
had a 98.6 QB rating this season (JC 84, career avg.)
is younger than JC,
runs better,
oh yeah, wins.
But most on here will remember only that he got benched for being upset that Kerry Collins replaced him (and the team quickly tanked to a 1-5 finish) and won’t want him here.
Because he, you know, wins and is a better QB.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
@Alex7
I think we agree that at BEST, JC is a 85-90, steady conservative QB.
Let’s hope Hue can get him to play at that level consistently.
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He’s pretty much already played at that level consistently, what, he’s a career 84 something?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Jontrain,
except I see that JC gets to that 85 rating by having a couple of 110 games, and a couple of 40 games.
Not steady at all. And that’s par for his career.
I would love if he becomes a stead hand.
But he was unable to string together 3 good games in a row this year. We’ll see though.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Sounds like VY is going to Minnesota. JC is the QB. Find a rookie to develop.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Oaklifer,
yes, I recall well because to me it is most pertinent. Make the O-line excellent (plus the D-line), you make everything else on the football work.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
KK,
yes, he’s a career 84, which ranks you in the bottom half of the league every year.
He’s only gone above 85 ONE time, when he reached all the way to….86.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
What’s Ocho’s name again? Chad?
Chad would give us everything we ever hoped to get out of Chaz.
At $6M for this option year…with the promise of negotiation for a long-term deal…Chad would be an upgrade of Seymour-like proportions for this team.
JCampbell (whomever) needs every weapon he can get…and Chad is still a top-level, Hall Of Fame talent…regardless of his media-wh@re reputation.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Lonetree,
don’t the Steelers, Bears, and Packers have some really bad O-lines?
It’s been talked about all year.
They must have something else on those O’s. Hmmm, what is it?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
I think JC is the best overall package the Raiders could have gotten off the scrap heap.
He’s got a good arm, good run ability, good attitude, no personal problems.
Didn’t Davis just tell you people, the Raiders are out of the personal problem business?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Yes I agree the trenches are where the battle is won I think still an upgrade at center would be nice and I think The youngsters Veldheer and Cambbell will be good as “power” type of scheme guys as Mr. “coach” Davis alluded to…
January 20th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Davis also said that he was terrible at Background checks
January 20th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
$6M this year…followed by a 3-year contract, with a moderate signing bonus, and a number of escalators in it to make its value higher (or not…right, Nnamdi?).
A Hall Of Fame talent — playing at the highest level — at WR again for the Raiders…it’s one of the things this team needs yesterday.
If HueJax truly thinks he can work with Chad, you know Al will be listening.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
KK,
yes, he’s a career 84, which ranks you in the bottom half of the league every year.
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Tom Brady had one of 111 this year. He lost in the playoffs to one with 75.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Why do you think Davis undervalues the QB position? That is so perplexing to me.
Billy Joe Hobert, Vince Evans, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks, Daunte Culpepper, Josh McCown, Jason Campbell.
What does he expect from this?
And who is he seeing win games with these types of bad QBs, unless they have exotic 3/4 defenses, which he’s also allergic to?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
This offseason is going to be interesting
January 20th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
KK,
are you really young?
You do realize Davis is NOT going to ever let us win with an average QB backed by an awesome, swarming, blitz-disguising 3-4 exotic defense.
You do know that, right?
You also know ANYTHING can happen in a playoff game, and that the best way to GET to the playoff games is with a top QB. You DO believe in math, and correlation, correct?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
236.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Davis also said that he was terrible at Background checks
++++++LOL at that statement every time Kawakami opened his mouth Mr. “coach” Davis was a smart arse sticking it to him…
Yhea we’re terrible at it LOL!!!
I’m sorry who?? LOL
January 20th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
OMFG…Chuck Pagano is one funny dude…at our expense though.
here’s the link to the video and go to the 3:00 mark.
He frickin called his time in Oakland as a “jail sentence for 2 yrs”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/20/chuck-pagano-the-new-master-of-the-sound-bite/
January 20th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Perhaps, Al Davis might see some Jim Plunkett in Vince Young !
January 20th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Why do you think Davis undervalues the QB position?
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Not a speed position? doesn’t fit into his theories?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
KK,
JC has no football instincts. Al Davis is very wrong on his JC is better than “Kim” Newton. Kim walks in and has the attitude that he will carry his team. JC and his supporters walk in with the attitude of I need Help!
January 20th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Vince Young would be awesome too. Dude can also carry his team.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Pagano…..
Should keep his mouth closed he has his right to an opinion but to open up publicly with problems……wait Whats that you say? Treat others how you want to be treated…..hummmm….
January 20th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
You do realize Davis is NOT going to ever let us win with an average QB backed by an awesome, swarming, blitz-disguising 3-4 exotic defense.
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I don’t think he’ll let us win with an avg QB behind a powerful running game either, that’s my point.
So you go out and get us Tom Brady, ok?
January 20th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Lonetree,
don’t the Steelers, Bears, and Packers have some really bad O-lines?
It’s been talked about all year.
They must have something else on those O’s. Hmmm, what is it?
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alex,
you are really reaching, look again those teams have awesome defenses, they often have the ball with a short field. they dont have to score a ton of points because the defense can win for them.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
“Ok Mr. Davis, we can either get to the playoffs with a top QB or a top swarming, turnover-producing 3/4 confusing D. Which one will it be?”
“Naww. Let’s do it with a mediocre QB and a man-to-man defense that can’t swarm to the ball because 7 men are running 7 different directions 2 seconds after the snap.”
January 20th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Harbaugh was prob not happy with Pagano but the dude was hella funny though.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
You also know ANYTHING can happen in a playoff game,
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Not the way you put it. You postulate you “can’t” win without a QB with a 100 rating or higher.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Mistic,
how am I “reaching” by pointing out that, no, you DON’T need a top O-line to make the playoffs.
Those 3 teams have very average to below average o-lines.
So no, you don’t build through the O-line.
You build and win through either the QB, or a confusing, blitzing, zone, ball-hawking D.
We don’t seem to value either.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
KK,
JC has no football instincts. Al Davis is very wrong on his JC is better than “Kim” Newton. Kim walks in and has the attitude that he will carry his team.
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I’m sure you know very little about “Kim Newton”, and absolutely nothing about his pro career.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
You can win with JC. It just that you need a fantastic D like the Ravens of 2001 or the loaded team of the Raiders in the 70’s and early 80’s with a bunch of HOF’s.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
The key every year is to find a way into the playoffs, maybe hope for a good draw and try to win a couple of games and the Super Bowl.
The experience of playing in these types of games are so valuable over the years of making the playoffs regularly, yet our man Soup has never played in a meaningful Week 17 game, better yet the playoffs.
He may have the talents and the manicured stats, but he has to much quit in him for me. I really hope we draft a QB or look to add some competition to “JC” in case he doesn’t take us to the playoffs in 2011.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
KK,
postulate. Insinuate. Why not just take the actual words, the actual facts.
Of the top 12 QBs, 9 made it to the playoffs, and 2 missed it by one game.
There is no stronger correlation to making the playoffs each year.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
alex,
over the last few weeks of the season all 3 of those o-lines have played pretty well. Its about getting hot at the right time.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
I know that Kim Newton is not surrounded by 2 top 5 RB’s in the draft and that he actually was the reason they won the National Championship on the offense. I also know and have seen JC bombed on 2 exactly similar 2 min drive situation in back to back years (vs Det and vs Jax). That’s a whole lot more than you know.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Vince Young quit on his team. Literally. That’s a huge strike against him. And Jeff Fisher couldn’t deal with him not preparing for games, that’s why he had issues with him, even when they were winning games. He’s been benched twice because he has mental/maturity issues. No leadership intangibles.
VY at his best? Of course I’d take him.
But ur just not sure what ur getting with this guy.
I’m on the fence about him.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Most teams that in the trophy are solid in the trenches. There are very few exceptions to this rule.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Cam Newton is just another Tebow.
He doesn’t throw the ball like a real pro prospect should.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
I love Cam Newton. To be fair davis was pointing out that campbell was rated as a better pro prospect coming out than newton is.
Newton to me is a once in a generation player
January 20th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Kim Newton can throw a ball for 70 yds at ease. Puhleezzz. His knock is he has not been tested as a thrower but his QB rating is 40 points higher than Brees and Manning when they were in college.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
cant compare newton and tebow, dont be fooled by the one sub par passing performance after a 5 week lay off. newton is an excellent passer, tebow cant throw t all.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
I’ve watched a lot of Cam Newton this year. Trust me he aint it. He reminded me way too much of Jamarcus throwing to wide open receivers with a huge margin for error.
He doesn’t have pro level accuracy, and u can forget about all those off tackle runs in the pros. He’s in for a rude awakening.
Tebow 2.0
January 20th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Most teams that in the trophy are solid in the trenches. There are very few exceptions to this rule.
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More so the defensive lines than the O-lines.
NY Giants, Steelers, Ravens, even the Colts.
All won bowls with much better D-lines than O-lines. That’s why your going to see a crazy amount of D-lineman taken early in this years draft.
These elite D-lines and players simply just push around whoever’s in front of them every week. Don’t matter who they play.
Steelers, Jets, Packers, Bears. If you had to say which four teams pressure the QB the best in the NFL, those are them.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
” cam newton is the best passing qb prospect in the sec,in recent memory just a notch below stratford was, better than russell, better than tebow”
Gary Danielson cbs college football analyst, and former 10 year nfl pro.
i think he knows what he is talking about. His opinion also matche what i saw on the field with my own eyes, and i watched almost every newton game.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
4.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Let’s see…
Would Pittsburgh, NYJ, Green Bay, or Chicago take a chance on Ocho?
Probably not.
Neither should we, if we plan on competing at their level.
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What is this “WE” stuff you are talkin? We? We? We who? You got a mouse in your pocket? Who are you to be sayin we? You don’t like the Raiders, nor Al, nor most of OUR players n coaches, er scheam, er even City! YOU are NOT a Raiders fan at all kid. You are a WANNA BE Raider fan. You have no guts and no class kid! You timidly wear a Raider shirt in public now and then hopein not to have to try and defend the team, players, scheam, or owner, but talk like a tuff guy online. ONLINE! I would bet the farm you NEVER say shizit about Al in public. I bet you have never been to a game. I know you don’t talk yer tuff guy stuff in the H.O.T.!
January 20th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Eh. We’ll see. Cam’s a guy who it totally depends on who drafts him. I’m in SEC country, and most people down here see him as a 2nd round guy, not a 1st round franchise type.
As opposed to Andrew Luck. I watch him throw the ball and it’s like wow. Now THAT’s a can’t miss prospect. He puts the ball right on the money.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Most teams that in the trophy are solid in the trenches. There are very few exceptions to this rule.
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More so the defensive lines than the O-lines.
NY Giants, Steelers, Ravens, even the Colts.
All won bowls with much better D-lines than O-lines. That’s why your going to see a crazy amount of D-lineman taken early in this years draft.
These elite D-lines and players simply just push around whoever’s in front of them every week. Don’t matter who they play.
Steelers, Jets, Packers, Bears. If you had to say which four teams pressure the QB the best in the NFL, those are them.
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Can anyone name a team that has won it all with a bad o-line? I know some teams havent had great o-lines, but most have good o-lines. We have had terrible o-line play. Pass protection in particular.
January 20th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
The thing that Tebow and Newton have in common, is that they converted so many 3rd and 3’s, 3rd and 4’s in college by simply taking a shotgun snap and plowing up the middle.
That’s not going to work in the NFL. Those are going to be the tough throws and I’d rather have a guy from a crappier school that’s used to guys getting in on him while trying to complete passes.
But he throws a much better ball than Tebow does.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Eh. We’ll see. Cam’s a guy who it totally depends on who drafts him. I’m in SEC country, and most people down here see him as a 2nd round guy, not a 1st round franchise type.
As opposed to Andrew Luck. I watch him throw the ball and it’s like wow. Now THAT’s a can’t miss prospect. He puts the ball right on the money.
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I like luck too. If newton does fall to rd 2 maybe he can end up here in hu jack city and carry a clip
board behind jc. hu jack and saunders can coach him up.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
The Bears are widely considered to have a crappy O-line, and the Packers have had issues as well.
Aren’t the Jets starting 2 or 3 different guys at O-line than last year?
You need good players everywhere obviously, but defensive lines and hybrid blitz guys like Clay Mathews and James Harrison are dominating football right now.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Honestly? I wouldn’t be completely opposed to Cam Newton.
Massive boom or bust potential. He could be incredible. He could be JaMarcus-level bad. Neither would surprise me.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
JFB,
Newton is the wave of the future…lmao
January 20th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Bears o-line has played very solid football as of late. Moving bust LT Chris Williams to LG was a great movie. Frank Omiyale has played solid football at LT in his place. Kreutz is solid as always, and Garza is healthy again. Jamarcus Webb has improved at RT.
Not the best offensive line in football, but they’ve come around since the beginning of the season. The offensive line’s play is the reason they’re one game away from the Superbowl and not watching from home.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
251.alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
“Ok Mr. Davis, we can either get to the playoffs with a top QB or a top swarming, turnover-producing 3/4 confusing D. Which one will it be?”
“Naww. Let’s do it with a mediocre QB and a man-to-man defense that can’t swarm to the ball because 7 men are running 7 different directions 2 seconds after the snap.”
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We were a game away from going this year with a half retarded QB, a women beating nympho for a coach, and a very young team. Loss time injuries to DMAC, Miller, McClain, Henderson, Nnamdi, Gallery, Huff, the LT to C flop… We can do it with two things.
Better WR’s play, and a years worth of experiance on the D.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
The Bears are widely considered to have a crappy O-line, and the Packers have had issues as well.
Aren’t the Jets starting 2 or 3 different guys at O-line than last year?
You need good players everywhere obviously, but defensive lines and hybrid blitz guys like Clay Mathews and James Harrison are dominating football right now.
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This is true however the bears o-line has played really well over the last 3-4 games. Its about playing well at the right time. but i still cant think of one lombardi winner with a bad o-line, they have all been at least solid.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Move*, not movie. I need to start sleeping more.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
The Bears, like last week and every week before it, were carried by their defense and special teams.
Has been that way for years now with the Bears. Get some good play like Cutler the last few weeks and they can win a bowl.
They just need the O-line to not get in the way.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
198.BornInOakland Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Oh HELL NO on Ochocinco. I do not want that Twitter addicted little girl in Oakland. He’s a clown act and a fake.
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now this made me laugh…
January 20th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
hey the local troll!!!!!
January 20th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
The bears are who we thought they were, they wont win with bad o-line play. Teams dont win it all with bad o-line play, its just that simple.
The o-line is imposible to minimize, they are crucial on every snap.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
The defense and special teams were there early in the season, and they barely eeked out some wins against mediocre teams, and lost in embarrassing fashion to Seattle.
The defense and special teams are always good with the Bears. But the offensive line giving Cutler enough time to make throws and opening up the running game is why they’re anywhere close to the NFC title.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
since RMR, mistabrown, richochet aren’t here…
i’m thinking you’re talking to me…
if so… piss off…
January 20th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Kim Newton is just like Tebow, except in a few areas. He is faster. He is as fast as Tomlinson when LT was drafted. He has a stronger arm than Tebow. However, Tebow is stronger physically.
yesterday, Kiper projected Kim to go at 10th to the Titans.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
by PGutierrezCSN
Oakland hired former Ravens assistant coach Al Saunders as its offensive coordinator.
good hire!
January 20th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
[...] would be refreshing to be with Hue Jackson again,” Ochocinco recently tweeted. I know I wouldn’t have to worry about being thrown under a bus [...]
January 20th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Alright Al Saunders. I’m glad he wasn’t scared off by Davis’ appearance, whew.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
251.alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
“Ok Mr. Davis, we can either get to the playoffs with a top QB or a top swarming, turnover-producing 3/4 confusing D. Which one will it be?”
“Naww. Let’s do it with a mediocre QB and a man-to-man defense that can’t swarm to the ball because 7 men are running 7 different directions 2 seconds after the snap.”
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That’s it in a nutshell.
We will never be anything without a top ten quarterback.
I miss Rich Gannon.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Official…Al Saunders is our new OC!!
January 20th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
or piss ON come FP, I would never insult a fan/fellow blogger/Floridian of your stature never sir….but that huntsville guy creeps me out and was on here jawing Double R earlier now MR he is just here to argue!
January 20th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Now for Chuck Cecil as the new Raiders DC…
January 20th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
283.Florida Pete Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
198.BornInOakland Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Oh HELL NO on Ochocinco. I do not want that Twitter addicted little girl in Oakland. He’s a clown act and a fake.
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now this made me laugh…
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I am with you 100% FP. We do need a vet poss WR though.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Yes to Saunders we are starting to get sound football minded people in here I love it!!!!!!
January 20th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
If you guys are gonna watch The Shrine Game….MAke sure you look for Will Rackley and Armon Binns
January 20th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
for our first pick (round 2) should we go for the best RT?
January 20th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Raiders tab Al Saunders as offensive coordinator
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 20, 2011, 9:17 PM EST
Raiders Al Davis continues to make the coaching hires that everyone expects.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Davis hired Ravens assistant Al Saunders as offensive coordinator in Oakland.
Saunders spent the last two years in Baltimore, and is well known for his run in Kansas City from 2001-2005 as offensive coordinator. He also was the head coach of the Chargers from 1986-1988, so he’s almost completed a tour of the AFC West.
Saunders’ hire was largely expected around the league after Davis tabbed Hue Jackson, who worked with Saunders in Baltimore. Davis has also previously interviewed Saunders for spots on previous staffs.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
for our first pick (round 2) should we go for the best RT?
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Or Center there should be some dandy’s O-line/OLB/WR in that order assuming we have Aso or a CB would come before OLB maybe depending how it shakes out!
January 20th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Al saunders?!?!? Yes!!!!!!! Welcome to Hu Jack city!!!!
I am im football heaven today. Givem’ Hell uncle Al (davis)
January 20th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
2nd round – C Stephen Wisniewski or best CB available
3rd round – OLB Greg Jones or best CB available
Sign FA RT Ryan Harris and FA FS Jarrad Page.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
VET FA WR’s
TO = always plays hard and hasn’t been a cancer lately wants alot of touches older
Ocho= always plays hard still wines older cali guy seems to want to be in Oakland
Santonio Holmes= legal troubles would be suprised if Jets don’t resign as he’s build great chem w/ Sanchez
V Jackson= legal issues huge target still young
Plaxico= legal issues locker room issues still young big target
January 20th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Keep on calling it Hue Jack City and Al will get jealous. Then no more Hue and back to a guys like Norv or Kitten.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Braylon Edwards?
January 20th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Lance Moore….
January 20th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I say VJackson hands down GREAT redzone/3rd down guy to compliment Zach Miller, I’d also take TO and/or Chad cheap. We should also sign another TE to compliment Zach as the TE position can really exploit lb’s/safeties and are great red zone/third down guys either via draft of there are some good ones in FA (Marcedes Lewis, Kevin Boss etc)
January 20th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Patriots Will Make No. 17 Pick in 2011 NFL Draft Thanks too the Raiders.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Braylon Edwards?
you’re right forgot about him
January 20th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
If Chad Ochcocinco and the Cincinnati Bengals are truly headed for a divorce as speculated on Bengals.com, Hue Jackson’s presence as head coach would seem to make the Raiders a potential destination.
If the team’s own Web site is floating the possibility, there’s probably something there.
When Jackson was hired, Ochocinco said on his Twitter account: “Congratulations 2 Hue Jackson for becoming the Oakland Raiders new head coach. Best receiver coach I ever had.”
Earlier this month, there were these tweets:
“I would not care where Hue Jackson got a job. I would go play for him, run through a wall, jump in front of a bus, etc. u get the point.”
“Man that was the greatest coach I ever had. Hue Jackson would choke me out, cuss me out, just to make sure I was precise on everything.
“It would be refreshing to be with Hue Jackson again. I know I wouldn’t have to worry about being thrown under a bus again.”
The “under the bus” reference has to do with his strained relationship with current Bengals coach Marvin Lewis.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
jacoby ford will be the #1 WR next year. that and miller. dont really need ocho IMO. Ford is the #1 WR in oak for many years to come. but if they get Ocho cool. murphy and DhB aren’t doing much.
January 20th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
308.inonewordraider Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
I say VJackson hands down GREAT redzone/3rd down guy to compliment Zach Miller, I’d also take TO and/or Chad cheap. We should also sign another TE to compliment Zach as the TE position can really exploit lb’s/safeties and are great red zone/third down guys either via draft of there are some good ones in FA (Marcedes Lewis, Kevin Boss etc)
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Jackson will be a patriot next year.
January 20th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
[...] would be refreshing to be with Hue Jackson again,” Ochocinco recently tweeted. I know I wouldn’t have to worry about being thrown under a bus [...]
January 20th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Jim Plunkett wasn’t no superstar, but Marcus Allen was.
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so I guess your satin that JC is not a superstar BUT Mc Fadden is
ok ok ok I’ll accept that
So KK tell does that spell SB. Cuz the other combo did
January 20th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Ochocinco would bring some theater which may put a few more butts in the seats at the Coliseum.
January 20th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Ocho is not the answer. We need to sink enough money into our own guys.
I’d take Peyton though.
January 20th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
I would really like to get Vincent Jackson out of San Diego. I know he is not happy with them.
January 21st, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Good afternoon raidernation… honestly if al took a chance on moss who would have been way more detrimental to us then 85, then why not cinco, personally moss was a crybaby who has always had a bad attitude and given up on plays when not targeted enough, ocho goes hard in the paint haha. I mean really he may have lost a step but his outlandish personality or not he provides a veteren number 1. It seems he only acts up when he isn’t the undeniable number one like he deserves to be. You think he would be threatened by any of our recievers to take his spot? No way he wud be the 1 and jacoby would make teams pay if they try to double team ocho. I think he comes where he actually wants to play and he’d be fine at least for a year or so. We need the help so does cambell don’t kid urselfs
January 21st, 2011 at 8:47 pm
[...] Jerry McDonald of the Contra Costa Times did some sleuthing and uncovered these tweets that Ochocinco sent earlier this month (granted, probably not the most challenging detective work for Jerry, but we like the guy’s work overall, so we’ll give him a free tip of the cap here). The tweets read: [...]
January 22nd, 2011 at 4:25 am
[...] Jerry McDonald of the Contra Costa Times did some sleuthing and uncovered these tweets that Ochocinco sent earlier this month (granted, probably not the most challenging detective work for Jerry, but we like the guy’s work overall, so we’ll give him a free tip of the cap here). The tweets read: [...]
August 28th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
urban wear…
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