Who will be the new defensive coordinator?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, January 22nd, 2011 at 8:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Been working on other assignments (a Hue Jackson piece will be forthcoming next week in print) as well as my weekly column, but will post as news or rumors merit.
As it stands, all the Raiders have confirmed is that John Marshall won’t return as defensive coordinator, something Al Davis conceded at the Jackson press conference. Marshall’s name has even been removed from the coaching roster at Raiders.com.
My understanding is that line coach Jim Michalczik and quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett also will not return, although their names are still listed.
The next major hire for the Raiders will be defensive coordinator, and there aren’t a wealth of names bubbling to the surface. Chuck Pagano, a former Raiders assistant, wound up being promoted in Baltimore and essentially mocked Oakland as even being an option, saying he’d already served a “two-year sentence” in 2005-06. He and Jackson were said to have a good relationship.
Big names such as Jim Mora and Eric Mangini aren’t an option based on their pay scale as well as their aspirations to be a head coach again, which is the last thing Jackson needs in Year 1.
Jay Glazer of Fox Sports had an interesting Tweet a few days back saying it was his believe the Raiders were looking for a coordinator to implement an aggressive 3-4 scheme similar to the one Rex Ryan has with the New York Jets.
It becomes more if a possibility when it moves from the Tweet stage into an actual story. The Raiders have run the 3-4 in their past, but not since they’ve been back in Oakland. And although it’s true middle linebacker Rolando McClain excelled in a 3-4 at Alabama, Kamerion Wimbley was a 3-4 outside linebacker at Cleveland Travis Goethel could make a nice inside companion for McClain in a 3-4, Oakland’s defensive line doesn’t set up that way.
Yes, Richard Seymour has done good things in a 3-4 in New England, provided he returns. Trevor Scott, after ACL surgery, could be an outside linebacker.
But the two most improved players on the Raiders defensive line were Tommy Kelly and Matt Shaughnessy, who combined for 14 sacks, and neither of them has played a lick of 3-4 and both are coming off breakout seasons.
Add to that the most talked-about assistant at the Jackson-Al Davis press conference was defensive line coach Mike Waufle _ a four-man line guy from way back _ and a 3-4 defense, while not impossible, seems at least unlikely.
The Raiders have rarely gone with a big name as their defensive coordinator. When they returned to Oakland it was John Fox, who was replaced by Fred Whittingham, who was replaced by Willie Shaw, who was replaced by Chuck Bresnahan, who was replaced by Rob Ryan, who was replaced by John Marshall.
At no point was there a big shakeup in philosophy. All espoused the philosophy of winning individual matchups with superior athletes and an abundance of man-to-man coverage, and all had a single-deep safety.
There was nothing in Davis’ performance during the Jackson press conference that leads me to believe he’s ready to shake things up philosophically.
The Raiders could promote from within with someone like Waufle or secondary coach Kevin Ross, although the former is an established line coach and the latter has never been a coordinator.
Call me a cynic (as many of you have, and with some degree of accuracy), but when I heard Titans defensive coordinator Chuck Cecil was let go after his defense dropped to the lower third of the league, was among the league leaders in penalties and had given a referee an obscene gesture, the first thing I thought was he could be headed to Oakland.
Other purely speculative candidates?
Green Bay has a pair of potential candidates in former Raiders staffers Winston Moss (inside linebackers) and Darren Perry (secondary). New York Jets defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman worked with Jackson on the staffs of USC (2000) and the Ravens (2008).
I like Green Bay and Pittsburgh Sunday, for what it’s worth, and that’s not much.
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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 pm
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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:36 pm
I liked what Marshall did this year, he dialed up the pressure and brought some safety blitzes which were very effective.
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
At least it’s not going to be Rob Ryan.
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Maybe Al will pass on a DC and just phone it in from the luxury box or home (away games).
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Don’t see us going to a full time 3-4 defense. Maybe shift to that formation every now and then but not all the time. Our 4 man line is just now really putting pressure on the QB and is really getting dominant – much like the best NYG lines of old. I see us sticking with the 4-3 and some occasional blitzing when appropriate.
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:53 pm
This will be a critical decision. It will go a long way towards our playoff/SB aspirations. Its more important than the offensive hiring in my mind. Becuase incrementally the defense has much more to gain than the offense. I mean how many more ppg can you score? The opposite side of the coin can improve a lot more in that regard and it should go a lot further if the O continues its march in the endzone.
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I expect Winston Moss to run al Davis’ defense next year…
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Is Micheal bush really a free agent… Al better save a transition or franchise tag for him; he will be definately bolting if he sees day light… he is not going to waste his prime to backup Mcfadden if he can help it.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 pm
From the way Al talked at the press conference, it sounds like he’s going to make every effort to bring Bush back.
If that’s not possible, I wouldn’t mind seeing Willis McGahee in silver and black.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:03 pm
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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Seymour will get overpaid; not worried about him… Nnamdi we can’t help; Huff is a;right, but don”t think he is that much better than Stevie Brown; Routt can be replaced; Miller seems exited about the future.
Kam Wimberly can get after the QB, but I’m always leary of players that are average, and then show out in contract year… thinking Trevor Scott could take his snaps: 3rd down Wimberly played with his hand in the dirt.
Loosing bush would take some horespower from that offense. Him & Miller have to be resigned.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Would love to see Gallery gone; take his pay check and go after Logan Makins… Jared Gaither would make a a nice tackle. Hopefully Hue & Al saunders can recruit him.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 pm
There’s no telling what Bush or Miller would become until the new CBA is inked. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they are both back.
I expect Nnam, Huff and Seymour to return. I don’t think we lose anyone we don’t really want to keep. Nnam will except a lower pay number and still be the highest paid CB.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:16 pm
LG Davin Joseph from Tampa Bay may be a less expensive option than Mankins.
Honestly, if they’re going to go after a top FA I’d rather see them go after RT Ryan Harris, but it seems like Mario Henderson is going to be brought back to man the RT spot.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 pm
If the Raiders aren’t going to run the ZBS, I hope Campbell gets to compete for the RT spot.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm
By the time Big Al rthrows money at Bush he’ll be in silver and black.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 pm
1- we need to continue improving our coaching staff. I like the changes we have done so far.
2- we need t resign key FAs like Seymour, Nnamdi, Miller, Wimbley, and Bush. We should try to resign Gallery and Huff too, but only if we can sign them cheap. They got paid a lot of money due to their rookie contracts, so the should the us a discount.
3- we need to add a few good FAs like a vet WR, OL, backup QB, and CB.
4- we need another good draft. Draft OL, CB, WLB, QB, and DT.
5- cut Cooper & CJ.
6- don’t resign any of our QBs, and don’t resign routt.
I like us to add 2 new CBs & 2 new QBs from FA and the draft.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Uh huh, what are you, master of the obvious?
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Just stop the goddamn run. Don’t care how you do it, just do it.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
JerrryMac..
well, you might be a cynic, but not because of you Chuck Cecil point…
huge Al-lovers here have already been rooting for us to sign him.. LOL, and I dont doubt we will, actually Mangini would be steal compared to him…
Another thing, people here actually thought we were getting Pagano, I must admit I hoped it, but never believed it.. mostly because he has been to the oakland cirkus, but he was likely higher paid as DB coach in baltimore than he would be here as a DC, and of course as DC in baltimore, he is on a proven staff, has proven personnel with a winning team.. oh and he gets paid =)
cant believe those who argued with me about Pagano, LOL, yeah like Baltimore hurried to hire a man like him, when he had NO interest in going here.. LOL
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:44 pm
# dickv Says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I expect Winston Moss to run al Davis’ defense next year…
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that would be huge, though I think Moss will end up in philly!
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:45 pm
when davis said: “we could sign two or three players with [Asomugha's] salary”I knew he ain’t coming back, unless he takes a drastic paycut, which I doubt will happen.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm
By the time Big Al rthrows money at Bush he’ll be in silver and black.
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wouldnt mind ‘his Al-ness’ started to throw money against coaches
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:50 pm
The oonly reason we don’t have a DC is because Green Bay is still playing. It’ll be a mild surprise if it isn’t Winston Moss.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Gallery, Satele, Walker, and Barnes are FAs. We need to fix our OL. That should be our focus in FA and the draft. A vet WR can also help our offense a lot.
Then we need to add a CB, WLB, and a DT to the defense.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:53 pm
It will be W Moss or D Perry. Print that!
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Nnamdi is going to take a drastic pay cut no matter where he goes because nobody will pay that kind of money. Revis is making $8 mill why would someone pay Nnamdi double that.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Nnamdi will make $8-10 mil, and Al will resign him.
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:58 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:50 pm
The oonly reason we don’t have a DC is because Green Bay is still playing. It’ll be a mild surprise if it isn’t Winston Moss.
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LOL, well which teams will still need a DC after the finals/SB…
and how more attractive will they be compared to Raiders..
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Moss wants the job more than D Perry, I think and would stay for at least two years.
D Perry has the experience, but is one interview away from being a head coach in the NFL, and we all know there will be 4-6 HC openings for the 2012 season.
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm
dickv Says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Would love to see Gallery gone; take his pay check and go after Logan Makins… Jared Gaither would make a a nice tackle. Hopefully Hue & Al saunders can recruit him.
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F gallery and his horse…He should go play for his biker buddy cable in sea….
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
I can understand many wanting Cable fired.What I can’t understand is why so many hate the man.He was loyal to the organization.He has been a fan for his whole life.He did the best he could do.Perhaps that wasn’t good enough,but he didn’t give up on the team like some of the past coaches.When he has been interviewed since he left,he hasn’t bad mouthed anyone.So again I ask-Why the hate towards him?
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
What’s up Lefty12! well I for one do not hate anyone nor do I dislike Cable. I was happy with certain decisions he made but I like him fine however I do think he cost us a playoff birth.
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Hey,Priest.I don’t consider you one of those that hate the man,even though i know you wanted Jackson promoted to HC.I’m referring to those that show obvious hatred toward the man for no good reason except he wasn’t as successful as HC as everyone wanted.
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Never hated on cable…He should have been fired last year for impersonating an OCO….
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Lefty..
I totally agree
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
If gallery starys cool however, if he doesnt want to be a Raider then F him….
He could go join the circus…
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Cable gave us what he could give us and that is no reason to hate the man. His persoanl issues are totally separate from the team so I don’t get into that stuff. I wish the guy well. Once he was fired I was hot on Harbaugh and Hue Jackson. I had no idea Harbaugh would command such a salary, which IMO was a huge mistake by the niners because the results may not be as immediate as they would like.
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Bet with cable gone B Campbell will get a lot of run…
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Said it before, If anyone thought we were getting hbaugh they were soming the best stuff…
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
IMO Gallery will be here unless they get someone to replace him prior to his leaving.
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
I have no hate towards Cable. Honestly, I think we should have given him a year to build on this past season. If anything, demote him to OL Coach and have him be the AHC to help out HuJack. Personally, that’s what I wanted.
I think that Winston Moss, in all likelihood, will be our new DC. If not him, then it’s gonna be Waufle, if he wants it. I think defensively, we’ll play more 3-4 this year. I can see us moving to a 4-3, 3-4 hybrid. I think we should make a serious play for Lamar Woodley and maybe MLB Barrett Ruud. Not sure how Ruud would do as a ILB in a 3-4. Same for Woodley as a WLB in a 4-3. NT will be crucial. Gotta try and steal Ngata from Baltimore or try and get Franklin from SF.
Aso, Seymour, Bush, Miller and Wimbley are the obvious musts to be re-signed. I am all for getting RT Ryan Harris. He’d be pretty cheap and he is a very underrated tackle. If we’re gonna spend money on any non-Raider FA, it would have to be LG Logan Mankins. Mankins may not be that hard to sign given his family ties not too far from Oakland. His parents own a ranch in Chowchilla. Tampa’s Davin Joseph would be a good, cheaper alternative at LG, but isn’t he coming off a season ending injury? With Gaither, I like him, but am concerned about his attitude and his being out of shape. Definitely need to draft a center and more depth.
Now it’s getting to be a foregone conclusion that if Ocho leaves the Bengals that there is a very good chance that he will sign with Oakland. I am all for this. He’s not that old, he’s 31 or so. He’d be that veteran to really mentor our younger guys. I don’t think he’d be all that expensive either coming off a couple down seasons, namely due to an ineffective offense and a rapidly declining Carson Palmer. If we don’t get Ocho, I expect us to make a play for VJax, Holmes, or Sidney Rice.
Do not re-sign Routt, and please cut Johnson, they’re horrible. Please sign CB Richard Marshall. He’s young and he’s played a lot of man coverage and is pretty good at it too. Another guy I’d like is Brent Grimes from Atlanta or Champ Bailey. My only concern about Grimes is how he’d do in man coverage cuz I think Atlanta is still primarily zone coverage. Bailey is getting older, but he is still playing at a high level.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Bruce Campbell was a victim of Cable last year, why I’m not sure but IMO it was to spite Mr Davis. Those kinds of things are what bothered me about Cable at some points I think it was his stubborness to give players a chance because they were “Al Davis players”.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
-Nnamdi and Seymour will get huge salaries. They may end being the one of the highest paid DL and the highest paid CB in the league.
-Bush, Miller, and Wimbley (I think) may not be FA depends on CBA. If they become FAs, I think Al will give them good salaries but not top 10 money.
-Huff & Gallery should gives a discount.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 pm
If Campbell doesn’t start next year, I think it will be Loper who starts. He was actually pretty when he played. Huff and Gallery will only be back if they take pay cuts, big pay cuts.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:06 pm
**Loper was pretty good when he played**
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
there is no way we’re letting Routt go he’s finally paying good football to let him go now makes no sense just to have to get someone to replace him. Routt isn’t nearly aas bad as some in here make out. He is coming into his own similar to Huff. IMO we keep both Huff and Routt and I wouldn’t be surprised if Nnamdi gave Mr Davis a hometeam discount.
Nnamdi is very very humble and he’s not into the MONEY and bigtime partying and wanting to be seen attitude. He is very much a serious community type who is very into education and making a difference in the world. Very classy kid in every respect. He still drives that old Toyota Camry he had in college.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 pm
priesttj Says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Bruce Campbell was a victim of Cable last year, why I’m not sure but IMO it was to spite Mr Davis. Those kinds of things are what bothered me about Cable at some points I think it was his stubborness to give players a chance because they were “Al Davis players”.
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Truth…
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
priesttj Says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
IMO Gallery will be here unless they get someone to replace him prior to his leaving.
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Gallery has gone on record that he was gone..So it will be his choice…Loper can fill in for him…
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
I agree Loper is a keeper he is a nuts and bolts typr player with a mean streak. We NEED to keep players like him they are excellent depth types when injuries occur.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
priesttj Says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
I agree Loper is a keeper he is a nuts and bolts typr player with a mean streak. We NEED to keep players like him they are excellent depth types when injuries occur.
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Truth…Amen…
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
OK if that’s the case fine but he is a very decent player and the more players you let go the more you have to replace when these guys are already settled in your system.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
I will admit you were on point about satele…
He played solid ball st C….Need to add quality depth on both sides of the trench….will need depth because of the CBA going to 18 games. Wonder how many players each team will get…
Should go to 63, with 58 active…
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
priesttj Says:
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
OK if that’s the case fine but he is a very decent player and the more players you let go the more you have to replace when these guys are already settled in your system.
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I would rather gallery stay a raider…Question is will it be rpersonal o business. He will get paid more in the town than anywhere else thats business…Does he want to leave because cabes got whacked, thats personal.,,,
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:34 pm
The Raiders actually did switch to the 3-4 in Rob Ryan’s first year with the team in 2004.
Remember they brought in Ted Washington, and they moved Warren Sapp to defensive end? It failed miserably to say the least, mainly because the linebackers were terrible (Travian Smith, Napolean Harris, Danny Clark and Tyler Brayton were the starters).
The Raiders defenses in the 80’s with Greg Townsend and Howie Long were a 3-4 unit. Al Davis isnt oppossed to the 3-4, but it HAS to work IMMEDIATELY. Any signs of a struggle and then he’ll force his coach to go back to the 4-3 with the single high safety (like he did with Rob Ryan).
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Routt and CJ made $6 mil, and I rather pay that to a FA like J Joseph if he becomes avilable.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 pm
Gallery is way too injury-prone. Let him make 8 mil a year for 8 games with some other team. I ould rather spend 8 mil a year on Mankins anyways, who has never missed a game due to injury and has to the pro bowl pretty much every year of his 5 year career thus far. Loper is great for depth and possibly starting at RG.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Raiders will run a 4-3 next year book it…
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 pm
In order for us to succeed in a 3-4, we have got to get a NT. A lot of our guys in the front 7 are already familiar with the 3-4. So making the switch wouldn’t be that hard, but like I said, before we even attempt to make the switch, we better get that NT.
The Niners NT, Aubrayo Franklin, would be a good NT to get. They tagged him last year and it’s doubtful that they’ll do it again, if there will be tags in the new CBA. OLB Lamar Woodley is a FA and he’s a bast in the 3-4. MLB Ruud struggled last year after having a great 2009 season. He struggled playing the Tampa 2, but I wonder how good he’d do at ILB next to McClain in a 3-4….
Man an OLB rotation of Wimbley, Woodley, Shaunessy, Scott, and Groves…. That’d be sick.
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 pm
I think that we’ll be more of a hybrid next year. Especially if Winston Moss is our DC. He’s coming from GB, which runs a 3-4.
I think re-signing John Henderson is a semi-priority.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 am
Winston Moss:
Moss began his coaching career in 1998 as a defensive quality control assistant for the Seattle Seahawks. He was hired by the New Orleans Saints in 2000 as defensive assistant/quality control, he was promoted to linebackers coach near the end of that season to replace John Bunting, who departed to become head coach at the University of North Carolina. Moss was hired by the Packers to become their linebackers coach on January 19, 2006. He was promoted to assistant head coach by head coach Mike McCarthy on January 15, 2007. Following a disappointing 2008 season for the Packers, Moss was the only major defensive coach not to be fired by McCarthy.[1]
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I don’t see this resume as a Defensive Coordinator.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:32 am
if not Jimmy Smith with the our #48 pick, then UNC’s Marvin Austin
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:33 am
KK lessor resumes have resulted in coordinator jobs it’s how i he interviews with Mr Davis because as you know talking wont cut it there he will haveto get board an dem onstrate his phylosophy, his consepts, his scheme and situationally how he will defend certain teams attacks. Primarily within the division.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:36 am
If we could get Marvin Austin at 48 I’d do it now. He didn’t play his senior year which is why he isn’t a top 15 guy. That kid is really an outstanding player he would be a 1st rndr hands down if he had played. And he’s a much better kid than is reported.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:40 am
I would much rather have the Raiders sign Gaither, Mankins, or another top FA OL than Gallery.
Raiders will probably be letting Mario go as that would cut into Campbell’s playing time.
Raiders could keep Vehldeer at LT, Satele at C; as long as we have the key two returning the other newcomers will be okay; the continuity will come quickly as the Raiders will be using more power on power, individual blocking schemes, and simply incorporating ZBS and other blocking.
As Mr. Lincoln Kennedy just said you can have all the schemes, help, double teams you want, it [your O-Line] comes down to your players being able to man-handle the D-Lineman one on one for most of the game (paraphrasing)!
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:40 am
But I have a kid who is a true NT type and he’s under the radar and he is an absolute beast.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:44 am
Very true in the system we wilkl be going to next year. It’s not some gadget system cutting and chopping. It’s pulling, trapping and driving and it wears defenses down. Especially with two great RB’s to block for. We will physically dominate teams with power instead of scheme.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:27 am
I think we should give loper a try at rg and let campbell and henderson battle it out at rt.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 am
Cecil would be a good fit here,he did not have anything to work with in tennesse.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:51 am
New York Jets defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman worked with Jackson on the staffs of USC (2000) and the Ravens (2008).
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nice work Jerry!
I think this is who we’re waiting for
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:57 am
the two most improved players on the Raiders defensive line were Tommy Kelly and Matt Shaughnessy, who combined for 14 sacks, and neither of them has played a lick of 3-4 and both are coming off breakout seasons
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Jerry Mac,
Tommy Kelly played 3-4 DE in Rob Ryan’s 2004 defense … as an undrafted rookie FA and he had 4 sacks
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:00 am
DID YOU KNOW ..
Rob Ryan’s real first name (from birth) is Remus ???
LOL!
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 am
The Raiders actually did switch to the 3-4 in Rob Ryan’s first year with the team in 2004.
Remember they brought in Ted Washington, and they moved Warren Sapp to defensive end? It failed miserably to say the least, mainly because the linebackers were terrible (Travian Smith, Napolean Harris, Danny Clark and Tyler Brayton were the starters).
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kd22 = right on the money!
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:24 am
I think the DC is already on the staff “Greg Biekert”. Think we will stay with the 4-3 and add line depth in the draft. We don’t have the personnel to run the 3-4.
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:16 am
Well I’m just waitin in the wings to see what we do. I’m hopefully optimistic that we will get a good DC that can get this defense to a better place. I didnt think they were that bad this year, we just need to keep improving and take it to the next level. I want my running game to keep the offense on the field eat up some clock control the time of possession. Our defense will be good, but I think we stay with the 4-3
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:19 am
It’s getting annoying when everyone keeps saying that we don’t have the personnel to run a 3-4. For the most part, we do. The only real need we have to run the 3-4 is a dominant NT.
I don’t think UNC’s Marvin Austin is a NT.
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 am
Greg biekert is not ready for the DC job yet
let’s see better linebacker play first
mike singletary maybe?
John fox 2nd time
Dom capers
dean pees
Nick saben
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:37 am
Demon Raider,
A “GOOD” NT is required to make a 3-4 go. NT’s are very hard to come by.
The Raiders finally get good d-line play and they are thinking about blowing it up and starting over? Makes no sense to me. Houston, Shaughnessy, Kelly and Seymour got the job done. The FIRST decent freekn D-line in a decade.
Moving to a 3-4? Again, that big NT is required. I don’t see DAvis spending the required draft pick/money to bring in a 6-1/6-2 big guy who specialty is absorbing blocks. No way.
Improve the linebacker and safety play and fix the RIGID playcalling!
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:38 am
I think we all agree the key here is continuity and improvement. Whoever comes in as dc has to keep the development going with our young guys and build on what they did last year. And believe me there’s alot of room for improvement! D played great at times and hurt us at some critical moments too…
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:52 am
Raidermarty,
The Raiders can’t just go out there and constantly play that rigid man2man with the same ole look.
THe Raiders have to PRACTICE the zone and play it with some competence! Then they can start mixing the playcalling between zone and man.
This will be a REQUIREMENT if Nnamdi is not re-signed
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:53 am
I am having a hard time believing the report of Raiders going to a 3-4. They were close to the playoffs this season and Al doesn’t want to start over, just get better, more consistent play.
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:56 am
As bad and confused as this team looked last year just trying to incorporate a little zone defense, I couldn’t imagine the learning curve going to a whole new defense (3-4).
We can debate that we may only need one or two pieces to have the personnel, but I don’t think we have the brain power more so to succesfully transition.
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:58 am
JFB,
Exactly right. And even if the Raiders change to a 3-4…won’t meen jack if the 90% man2man playcalling remains unchanged
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
Regarding Cable Hate
Don’t hate Cable but he was not a good game day coach. He made very bad decisions at times in terms of going for it when he shouldnet and not managing his challenges. I still do not understand the second benching of Campbell. He was not fired. Al did not pick up his option. If Cable’s agent would have not made the fine public we would have all been spared the “manilla file” as opposed to “the projector” in the latest press conference.
Cable helped this team. Players played hard for him. Hue has a foundation to build on so for that I am greatful. Another point. I do not think I would want someone representing my organization while there are charges of women beating or punching other employees in the mouth!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:03 am
The thing with the 3-4 is, we have Houston, Shonasty and TK and potentially Seymour all playing the same position.
We need to find a way to get those guys on the field more not less.
A 3-4 will decrease Matt S and Houston’s playing time, and increase Quinton Groves and Travis Goethel’s.
Sounds pretty stupid when you factor that in.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:05 am
Someone should start a Rue the day you thought Bruce Campbell would be great list.
Now its “cable did not play him to spite Al because BC was a Al Davis guy”
Thats just a little hard to buy into.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:06 am
So I took the Bears +3.5 and under 44
And the Steelers -3 and over 39
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:07 am
KoolKell Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 am
Winston Moss:
Moss began his coaching career in 1998 as a defensive quality control assistant for the Seattle Seahawks. He was hired by the New Orleans Saints in 2000 as defensive assistant/quality control, he was promoted to linebackers coach near the end of that season to replace John Bunting, who departed to become head coach at the University of North Carolina. Moss was hired by the Packers to become their linebackers coach on January 19, 2006. He was promoted to assistant head coach by head coach Mike McCarthy on January 15, 2007. Following a disappointing 2008 season for the Packers, Moss was the only major defensive coach not to be fired by McCarthy.[1]
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I don’t see this resume as a Defensive Coordinator.
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What is it that makes you say that? Is it because he’s never been a DC before?
Twelve years of defensive coaching experience with only 3 different teams and survivng a house cleaning in GB sounds pretty stable to me.
He’s definitely deseving of an interview.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:09 am
Unless there are wholesale changes to Def. personell – there will not be a 3-4. We really need a starting nose tackle. Henderson can spell it but can not sustain it. I think Kelly would make a good 3-4 end and so would Seymour and probably Houston but other small ends would need to be replaced by 3-4 outside linebackers. The defense needs to become more dyanmic (i.e. less predictable) maybe bring in Henderson for a few plays on the nose and switch up the alingments to confuse offenses. I though Marshall did ok with this. Marshall had several key injuries he had to deal with which set the Def. back. I think the filling in that occured gave the Def more depth. I think they are a lot better than most of us think right now.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:10 am
The thing with Campbell that scares me was how the draft unfolded.
He had the greatest combine maybe ever for any O-lineman. His numbers dwarfed all the other guys there, and he started close to 30 games at LT in a BCS division.
Than he fell all the way to the middle of the 4th round before Al saved him from furthur falling. What if Al didn’t take him? He could have slipped way furthur.
I think most other teams knew he wasn’t a tackle and didn’t think he had much value as a transition to a new position.
We will see, but my money is on him being no upgrade to Cooper Carlisle.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:11 am
KK
Agree with you on this one. GB’s Linebackers overachieve and they have a very good unique defense. Moss would be able to give some continuity while improving the defense. My vote is for WM if he will come.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:14 am
Regarding Campbell the OL
We all knew this guy was raw. He would take time to develop but has potential. Just let the guy compete and see where he ends up which will probably be RG or RT. Good use of a 4th round pick in my opinion. Tired of seeing Cooper Carlise at this point.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:15 am
Plunkethead – Why is that hard to by into? Here’s what Al Davis said about it:
^ Bruce Campbell: “Yeah, he’ll play. He’ll play this year.” (Upset he didn’t play as a rookie?) “Was I upset? Not upset at anyone in particular, just upset, yes. I wish he’d have gotten a chance. But not upset at anyone in particular, no, because I could have resolved that by just telling him, ‘play him,’ and he’d have gotten to play. But Hue is on top of it. He’s gonna play. And he’s the only one who didn’t play this year, of the draft.”
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:16 am
87.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:03 am
The thing with the 3-4 is, we have Houston, Shonasty and TK and potentially Seymour all playing the same position.
We need to find a way to get those guys on the field more not less.
A 3-4 will decrease Matt S and Houston’s playing time, and increase Quinton Groves and Travis Goethel’s.
Sounds pretty stupid when you factor that in.
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ONce again on point. The team is built for a 4-3 defense with players on that line that have developed nicely this past year.
Putting some question marks like Goethel and Groves on the field over the guys on the line is a recipe for a top 10 draft pick in 2012
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:17 am
That East-West game was painful to watch, and I watched almost every minute of it.
After watching it, I thought that game was more about not who we would should look at, but who we can cross off the list.
All the QB’s for sure. Maybe Enderle would be worth a late round flyer, but all the rest (especially Devlin) were trash.
All the tackles in the game were beat like a drum all game long, for both teams. Pass on all of them.
Pass on all the RB’s. Royster doesn’t have enough burst, and they rest were garbage.
Really, the East D-line, the Boise State fellows, the Texas TE and that Kuo fellow were the only thing that looked anything close to draftable.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 am
Post #34- agree completely
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 am
Tom Cable played his role. DAvis intended to replace him with Jackson. Probably the only way to get Jackson in Oakland.
As for Bruce Campbell. I think CAble would have played him if he was any good.
Campbell was an overrated prospect drafted mostly for his athleticism.
Was he grasping what Cable was teaching him?
I will lean towards Cable on the Campbell issue.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:23 am
That Moch LB from Nevada made one nice play on the screen play, but he looks tiny for a LB.
225 LB’s don’t make the transition to the NFL, and Mayock completely dismissed his reported 4.3 forty times.
Seems like a ST player without a position. Darnell Bing 2.0
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:06 am
So I took the Bears +3.5 and under 44
And the Steelers -3 and over 39
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I was gonna go with a Bears/Steelers parlay…
It’s 2 tough games, should be good ones!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 am
Before we ship out some so called “busts” we should remember the past players that we shipped out in the past. One that stands out in my mind is Charles Woodson. Some of these guys that are, I believe, on the cusp of becoming great shouldn’t be let go so easily. One example: I think Huff is starting to mature as a valuable player on this team. I hate seeing some guys leave just to become the great players we thought they would be on someone roses team. Just my thoughts.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:29 am
Else’s NOT roses! Damn iPhone!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:30 am
Huff will be back. He wants to return. I think most of them want to return.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 am
Post 102 – McFadden was looking like a bust until this season too. I remember a lot of people on this blog wanted to trade/cut him before last off season. A lot of these young players are about to break out. I hope DHB turns out to be one of them, but I’m not so sure.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:34 am
Huff might be our best defensive player that isn’t on the D-line.
I think McClain will emerge as our best defensive player in a year or two, but Huff makes plays and gets our D off the field.
Losing him would be disastrous, IMO.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:46 am
Disaster will be losing Nnamdi AND not changing the strict man2man playcalling.
you have to keep Nnamdi if you are going to run that strict man2man with no help over the top.
You have NO CHOICE.
Otherwise, get used to watching Routt, CJ and Walter McFadden getting burned all day long!
Not too many corners that can play on the island every damn down consistently. Those that do, get big cash.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 am
JFB,
No problem sticking with young guys. But the key is that they should have to earn their position.
DMAC proved it on the field..as did Huff…
DHB has to prove he’s better than Murphy or Schilens
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:53 am
I think, as these last four teams show, is that crazy good D-lineman and pass rushers are the new wave.
Don’t matter who you have on the O-line, you just can’t block the Julius Peppers, Clay Matthews, James Harrison and Shaun Ellis’s of the NFL.
Oher may make the HOF one day, and he was getting pushed all over the field last week. Logan Mankins is a periennel pro bowler and looked like Cooper Carlisle on a few pass plays last week. That great Falcons O-line?? Abused at home.
I really like what we are doing with our front 4.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:53 am
Charles Woodson was NEVER considered a bust!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
DHB has to prove he’s better than Murphy or Schilens
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Good luck with that……
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 am
and Ford
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SnB Production Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 am
DHB has to prove he’s better than Murphy or Schilens
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:03 am
Year 3 is make or break for young, raw WR’s.
You look at some great WR’s, and some did take two years to refine their game. The thing is, they all did fantastic in year 3.
Like Cliff Branch. Didn’t do much the first two years, than led the NFL in TD receptions in year 3. Roddy White struggled for two years, than had like 1,400 yards in year 3.
DHB needs to be having big games by like week 2 or 3, or just throw in the towel on this guy.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 am
Hopefully DHB turns the corner to greatness. We see sparks here and there but nothing consistent. More to be desired and thats an understatement.
Thats the problem with the current system. You pay too much money to rookies. Very few of them turn out to be great player right off the bat. It usually takes a few years of learning and development (physically and mentally); yet by then they have been paid half thier contracts without the performance to boot.
If they do turn out to be great by time that 1st contract expires you have to re-up them to a bigger contract. Its crazy! Not to mention, most bust! And prove not to be worthy of the 1st contract in the 1st place.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
I’m thinking Gallery would be pretty cheap to re-sign.
He is injury-prone and never made a Pro Bowl.
I’m thinking he would be in the 4 year $13 million range on the open market.
Don’t see anyone giving him more than 3 years at more than $4 million a year.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:20 am
The Raiders have paid DHB gawd knows how much money by now. Sure he has helped the team a lot by taking the pressure off others (blocking in the running game and helping the underneath stuff running stretching the defense) but he has not delivered the measurable production to immediately justify that pay.
So lets say next season he blows up. That’s all fine and dandy except as an owner that does nothing for the 2 seasons of $$$ already lost. Now he has only 2-3yrs remaining on contract where I will have to pay him even more money! Overall, these rookies get too much money without any production to justify it when you look at the production across their entire contract.
I understand the financial concepts of human capital and the measurements thereof; but in this case the system is completely screwed up.
I say institute a rookie pay scale and shorten the length of the 1st contract to 3yrs giving them the oppty to develop and prove their skill for that next contract.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 am
Peter King believes there will be a reduced salary cap, and a big reduction in rookie salaries, so even though the salary cap is less, there will be more money spent on veterans.
Think that is a great idea. It’s almost to the point that an early second round pick is more valuable than a mid first rounder, because there is not much drop off in talent, yet the 2nd rounder will cost one-third the price.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
For those of you who are unaware of measuring human capital; theoritically, your human capital is greater the younger you are because you have more years to work than say a person who is 50 years old. So that part of your capital is higher than say your financial capital (i.e. actuall $$ in the bank) that together makes up your entire worth (actual and projected).
You can make some equivalency to NFL rookies projecting them forward based on some assumptions that they are worth more young, as a rookie, than if they were a 30year old vet. This would be the argument for no rookie pay scale.
The problem is scouting is no where near perfect – not even close – and most of these players turn out to be bust, pocket the money to never been seen again. Moreover, players that you actually “projected” right YOU CAN’T KEEP HIM!!! to benefit from your correct assessment and consequent $$$ spent.
Its the equivalent of paying the player for what they can become later in their careers only to not benefit for what they actually became later in their careers (what you paid for) because they are free to sign with another team. This other team basically STOLE YOUR MONEY!!! You paid for the development and they benefit! What kind of system is that????
Institute a payscale. Shorten the length of the 1st contract to 2-3yrs so they can renegotiate if meritted.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
The problem with DHB is EVERYONE knew he was a REACH at #7. That has put undue pressure on him to excel out of the gate.
If DHB was a 4th round pick, no one would be complaining.
That’s why top 10 picks ARE NOT for reaches.
See how Bruce Campbell is being treated. Everyone has all the patience for him because he was a mid-round pick (Where he belonged)…..
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
There will be a rookie pay scale, no doubt about it. I also feel there will never be an 18 game scedule.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:39 am
SnB Production Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
The problem with DHB is EVERYONE knew he was a REACH at #7. That has put undue pressure on him to excel out of the gate.
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The worst part about the DHB draft choice is the 10 or 15 other WR’s that are so much better than him taken in the same draft.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 am
Carl Weathers,
DHB’s performance to date has been unacceptable really.
1 or 2 receptions a game just doesn’t cut it.
He knows the pressure is on…as it should be.
Davis said he could be “good” not the usual “GREAT” we hear from him
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 am
As for Bruce Campbell. I think CAble would have played him if he was any good.
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Who’s spot would Campbell have taken?
Cable raved about Carlisle and Gallery since training camp. Pillars of the Oline he called them. Would’ve basically taken an injury to Carlisle for Campbell to get on the field.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:49 am
Like I said, scouting is not perfect. You all sit here like you know it is. DHB a reach? Well that’s your assessment and likely the majority of commentators. Everyone also thought Nnam was a reach. If I’m not mistaken they thought Upshaw was a reach. Maybe even Reggie White if I’m thinking about the right player.
Vernon Gholston – ppl did not think he was a reach per say. Reggie Bush – most certainly ppl did not see him as a reach. Ryan Leaf – certainly not. Jam Russell – certainly not.
So this whole notion of some said player, everyone knew was a reach, etc is hogwash. No one knows jack! They all make educated guesses. Some turn out to be right some wrong.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:52 am
Carlisle is as good as gone. But maybe he’ll be a backup here. Isn’t he still under contract?
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:53 am
111.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
DHB has to prove he’s better than Murphy or Schilens
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Good luck with that……
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If DHB simply improves to the same degree this offseason that he did last offseason, he will certainly be better than both of those guys. Guy couldn’t catch a cold last year. Didn’t even have the confidence to try and catch the ball. He was MUCH better as a WR this year than he was last year. If we can same the same thing this upcoming season, then DHBeast should be a factor.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:54 am
DHB can’t catch…
can’t…
he leaps for balls thrown at his chest…
can’t catch…
this past year there were maybe 3 passes he actually caught with his hands…
the rest were trapped against some other body part…
he can not catch… period.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
quite frankly davis should have fired cable on the hansen incident-i give hue more credit for the 8 wins than cable.lack of discipline and incinsistency cost this team. for one of the kicking team to run his mouth when the kicking team easily made palyoffs out of reach (and lechler cant understand why seabass not in probowl?)- belittle ownership try that move on the patriots coach.I’m a businessman and overhead doesnt tell cash what to do. It’s time for some law and order not a fat slob in a bowling shirt!
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
AND ALL THE WRS IN THE LEAGUE CATCH THE BALL WITH THEIR BODIES!!!!!!!
Sht man, everytime I watch other teams play I see the same thing! What matter is catching the damn ball, not how you catch it!
The sht you guys come up with to justify things just infuriates me at times. Some if it is nonsensical
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 am
DHB needs to be having big games by like week 2 or 3, or just throw in the towel on this guy.
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Not sure that’s possible unless we open up the passing game. We don’t have an offense that would allow any of our WRs to have elite stats. If we targer DHB or Ford 10-12 times a game with some plays to designed to get some YAC, I think you could see it. But our RBs getting 40 carries a game? Not going to happen.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:59 am
1 8 DHB
1 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech San Francisco 49ers
1 19 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri Philadelphia Eagles
1 22 Percy Harvin WR Florida Minnesota Vikings
1 29 Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina New York Giants
1 30 Kenny Britt WR Rutgers Tennessee Titans
2 36 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State Cleveland Browns
2 50 Mohamed Massaquoi WR Georgia Cleveland Browns
3 82 Derrick Williams WR Penn State Detroit Lions
3 83 Brandon Tate WR North Carolina New England Patriots
3 84 Mike Wallace WR Mississippi Pittsburgh Steelers
3 85 Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly-S.L.O. New York Giants
3 87 Patrick Turner WR USC Miami Dolphins
3 91 Deon Butler WR Penn State Seattle Seahawks
3 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma Chicago Bears
4 107 Mike Thomas WR Arizona Jacksonville Jaguars
4 108 Brian Hartline WR Ohio State Miami Dolphins
4 124 Louis Murphy WR Florida Oakland Raiders
4 127 Austin Collie WR Brigham Young Indianapolis Colts
5 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian Chicago Bears
5 141 Kenny McKinley WR South Carolina Denver Broncos
5 144 Jarett Dillard WR Rice Jacksonville Jaguars
5 160 Brooks Foster WR North Carolina St. Louis Rams
6 175 Quinten Lawrence WR McNeese State Kansas City Chiefs
6 194 Brandon Gibson WR Washington State Philadelphia Eagles
6 206 Dominique Edison WR Stephen F. Austin St. Tennessee Titans
7 224 Demetrius Byrd WR Louisiana State San Diego Chargers
7 229 Manuel Johnson WR Oklahoma Dallas Cowboys
7 232 Julian Edelman WR Kent State New England Patriots
7 233 Sammie Stroughter WR Oregon State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada-Reno Washington Redskins
7 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh Chicago Bears
7 252 Freddie Brown WR Utah Cincinnati Bengals
7 253 Tiquan Underwood
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:01 am
He has one good game, statistically, in 2 seasons.
Here’s the WR’s drafted after him:
Crabtree-SF
Maclin-Phi
Harvin-Min
Nicks-NYG
Britt-Ten
Robiskie-Cle
Massoquoi-Cle
Tate-NE
Wallace-Pit
Barnes-NYG
Butler-Sea
Thomas-Jax
Hartline-Mia
Murphy-Oak
Collie-Ind
Knox-Chi
& even 2 in the 7th round, Edleman-NE & Stroughter-TB might even have more yards than DHB.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:01 am
Whole lot of play makers on that list not named DHB
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:03 am
People giving Cable the credit for going 8-8 is what I would call reaching. Sure he gets some credit for being the HC at that time but I would say the overwhelming majority of that is Hue Jackson!
Read this short piece and tell me in giving Cable all this credit makes sense:
Raiders report: Inside slant
The Sports Xchange
Jan. 21, 2011
It probably wasn’t how Hue Jackson envisioned his first day as an NFL head coach, but convention is out the window when it comes to the Raiders.
Each of Oakland’s last two coaches, Lane Kiffin and Tom Cable, departed with issues over money. Kiffin had a grievance denied seeking back pay after being fired “with cause,” and Cable has filed a grievance seeking the money deducted in fines.
So why would Jackson want to step into that kind of environment?
“I know that we’ve talked about coaches before me, and I have great respect for them, but they’re not Hue Jackson, OK?,” Jackson said. “I came here for one reason, to restore the great tradition of the Oakland Raiders. And that’s why I’m sitting here today.”
Jackson’s hire was no surprise. Hired last Jan. 26 to take over the offense from Cable, Jackson was regarded in most quarters as the head coach in waiting. Cable remained as coach on the condition he turn over the offense and play-calling to Jackson, having handled both duties since midway through the 2008 season.
The offensive improvement under Jackson was dramatic, as the Raiders went from 31st in the NFL to 10th in total offense and 31st to sixth in scoring, more than doubling their point total from 197 to 410.
Cable was in the final year of his contract, with the Raiders having the option to extend it two years for $5 million. On Jan. 4, the same day Jackson interviewed for the head coaching position of the San Francisco 49ers, the Raiders announced they wouldn’t pick up the option on Cable’s contract.
The departure of Cable was not well received by a segment of players who were critical of making a change when the Raiders had gone 8-8 after seven straight years of 11 or more losses.
Jackson’s ascension could change that perception.
“I think it will help for some of the players, definitely,” tight end Zach Miller said. “Keeping the offensive coordinator as the head coach will allow us to have some continuity and allow us to keep building rather than changing anything up.”
Cornerback Stanford Routt liked the way Jackson openly challenged the offense to go at the defense in practice, even engaging in trash talk with defenders.
“As much as I like Tom and would have liked to have him back, there was a part of me that wanted to see what it would be like to have Hue in charge,” Routt said. “I guess we’ll find out.”
While Cable talked about the Raiders’ improvement before his departure, Jackson made it clear he thought the Raiders could have been better than a .500 team and are chasing something more substantial.
“We’re going to create an environment here for our players to do great, and that’s what we’re chasing,” Jackson said. “We’re chasing greatness … My job is to do everything I can to take this team where we want to go which is the Super Bowl.”
Although Davis said he interviewed three other candidates before deciding upon Jackson, none were seriously considered. He said they were candidates he had interviewed before, and he pulled out their resumes, gave them a call and talked football.
“I more or less compared them to Jackson. I felt everything pointed to Jackson. Everything,” Davis said.
At the press conferences when Kiffin was hired, and later when he was fired with Cable taking over, Davis talked about the need to get in the end zone, and Jackson’s ability to produce points was a big factor in his hiring.
“We watched what happened, and what happened is the offense improved,” Davis said. “The guy can get in the end zone. He’s got some things going that we’re excited about.”
Cable was taken to task not only because the Raiders won only three of their last six games and didn’t make the playoffs, but because of the residual effects of an alleged altercation that left former assistant coach Randy Hanson with a broken jaw and an ESPN report detailing alleged domestic abuse against a former wife and girlfriend.
Davis said those incidents resulted in two lawsuits against the Raiders, with the owner opting to take $20,000 per paycheck over six checks as fines because lawyers were spending too much time on those issues.
He also said Cable broke company policy by having a girlfriend (he has since married someone else) accompany him on the road and be with him the night before games.
“All of this stuff goes a long way against my wishes, against my way of living, against my life and against the Raider way, and I just wasn’t going to take it anymore,” Davis said.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 am
raiders always draft skill positions too early and lineman later as a rule-they should try otherway
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:05 am
Talking about hindsight who would you have taken in 07??
Russell QB Louisiana State Oakland Raiders
1 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame Cleveland Browns
2 36 Kevin Kolb QB Houston Philadelphia Eagles
2 40 John Beck QB Brigham Young Miami Dolphins
2 43 Drew Stanton QB Michigan State Detroit Lions
3 92 Trent Edwards QB Stanford Buffalo Bills
5 151 Jeff Rowe QB Nevada-Reno Cincinnati Bengals
5 174 Troy Smith QB Ohio State Baltimore Ravens
6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso Washington Redskins
7 217 Tyler Thigpen
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:05 am
Giving credit to a guy that was stripped of his responsibilities and to see that benefit the team to the tune of a major turnaround in those same significant responsibilites …and some want to give him credit???
Now that’s wishful thinking
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:07 am
Thats the moral equivalent to say Todd Haley should get all the credit for KC when any objective observer can see that that was Crannel, Wies and Poili (sp?)
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 am
As for Bruce Campbell. I think CAble would have played him if he was any good.
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campbell only learned the LG position which happened to be occupied by one of cable favorites……cable was not going to bench carlisle to give campbell time…..there was no reason why campbell should have been deactivated the last two weeks of the season….he could have alternated him like he did veldeer…..
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 am
We are not switching to a 3-4 defense. We were 2nd in sacks, and our front 4 created a lot of presure, and we have the best 4-3 DL coach, so why would we change that? That makes no sense.
We should add a NT, play some 3-4 to mix it up, but stay a 4-3 defense. Out defense can be a real special unit. We need to add a good DC, CB, WLB, and a NT.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:10 am
i liked cable at first cause they won last two games of season under him-then when they are trying to overcome kiffin BS he opens traing camp with hasen incident-WTF?
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:13 am
I think coaches play a bigger part of winning teams than they get credit for.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:13 am
Shorter version for those of you who have a short attn span:
Jackson’s hire was no surprise. Hired last Jan. 26 to take over the offense from Cable, Jackson was regarded in most quarters as the head coach in waiting. Cable remained as coach on the condition he turn over the offense and play-calling to Jackson, having handled both duties since midway through the 2008 season.
The offensive improvement under Jackson was dramatic, as the Raiders went from 31st in the NFL to 10th in total offense and 31st to sixth in scoring, more than doubling their point total from 197 to 410.
The departure of Cable was not well received by a segment of players who were critical of making a change when the Raiders had gone 8-8 after seven straight years of 11 or more losses.
Jackson’s ascension could change that perception.
“I think it will help for some of the players, definitely,” tight end Zach Miller said. “Keeping the offensive coordinator as the head coach will allow us to have some continuity and allow us to keep building rather than changing anything up.”
Cornerback Stanford Routt liked the way Jackson openly challenged the offense to go at the defense in practice, even engaging in trash talk with defenders.
“As much as I like Tom and would have liked to have him back, there was a part of me that wanted to see what it would be like to have Hue in charge,” Routt said. “I guess we’ll find out.”
While Cable talked about the Raiders’ improvement before his departure, Jackson made it clear he thought the Raiders could have been better than a .500 team and are chasing something more substantial.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 am
I never liked the Cable hiring. I aint gonna lie. I ‘hoped’ it would work out and ‘wished’ for the best; but never liked it.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 am
Re 108, 112, 113.
DHB should be the 4th receiver behind Schilens, Murphy, Ford. If the Raiders sign a proven vet-Vincent Jackson seems the best out there-DHB falls to the 5th wideout. If Al keeps insisting to start DHB and the Raiders sign a FA vet WR then that means less playing time for Murphy, Ford and Schilens. I don’t get it. A blind man can see that DHB is not a legit football player(see post 127). DHB can’t. The best wide out in terms of catching, route running, football ability was Ford. And, he didn’t start. Yikes.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 am
I think our defense can be a top 5 unit, but we need to continue improving that unit.
Our offense is very good at rushing the ball, we have great rushing attack, avg passing, so I think next year will be our year!
Raiders win the AFC west next season. Print that!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 am
6th in scoring and still miss the playoffs = bad coaching & bad defense. AS dominant as the D looked at times, there is a lot of room for improvement and consistency.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 am
Giving credit to a guy that was stripped of his responsibilities and to see that benefit the team to the tune of a major turnaround in those same significant responsibilites …and some want to give him credit???
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In fairness Terrapin, if Cable was stripped of responsibilities than he should deserve neither blame nor credit.
I mean I see people blame him for the ST disaster in Jax, but than he gets no credit for the ST play that won the first SD game.
They say his thing was the O-line and point to their issues there, but give him no credit for manhandling SD in the 2nd game beyond humilation.
Cable, IMO, deserves credit for going 8-8, but 8-8 is mediocre or average. So thus, Cable was an average coach.
I think that is pretty fair.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:15 am
Plunkethead – Why is that hard to by into? Here’s what Al Davis said about it:
^ Bruce Campbell: “Yeah, he’ll play. He’ll play this year.” (Upset he didn’t play as a rookie?) “Was I upset? Not upset at anyone in particular, just upset, yes. I wish he’d have gotten a chance. But not upset at anyone in particular, no, because I could have resolved that by just telling him, ‘play him,’ and he’d have gotten to play. But Hue is on top of it. He’s gonna play. And he’s the only one who didn’t play this year, of the draft.”
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Campbell not getting on th filed had a lot to do with cabe playing favorites….
Example why in the hell was fargas still getting run…
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
The best wide out in terms of catching, route running, football ability was Ford. And, he didn’t start. Yikes.
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Yeah and i was saying the Kid should start ad get a lot of playing time and was beat like a drum by a lot of Semi’s on the blog…
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
Oh. And the hiring of Al Saunders was more icing on the cake like I said before.
CAMPBELL on Saunders hire: “He’s a guy that, he’s very smart,” “Him being in Baltimore over the last two years and them winning up there, it just goes to show you he knows the winning edge. And this team is all about trying to win in 2011. Coach Jackson brought that attitude here last year from Baltimore, the winning edge. Expecting to win.”
ZACH MILLER on Saunders hire: Pro Bowl tight end Zach Miller has also expressed excitement at the prospect of Saunders joining the Raiders, saying, “That would be something.”
http://www.csnbayarea.com/01/20/11/img-srchttpcsnbayareacomcommonglobal_ima/landing_raiders.html?blockID=395094&feedID=2801
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
I can’t believe You People are still talking about Cable?!?!
He was a Fat & Useless Monkey, we didn’t resign him, so get over it!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 am
17 -27 record does not make you an average coach.that makes you below average.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 am
Raiders win the AFC west next season. Print that!
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So let it be written so let it be done…
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
Oh. And the hiring of Al Saunders was more icing on the cake like I said before.
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Now hire a bad ass DC to top if off with some sprinkles …hmmmm goood
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:23 am
Seems that the games our D played the worst in, our offense also was off that day.
Tenn, Pitt, Miami come to mind.
I was looking at the drive charts in the Tennesse game yesterday. The Titans had a 4 play drive for -2 yards that got a FG and a 3 play 3 yard drive for a TD.
7 plays for one yard and ten points!!!!
Can’t hang that entirely on the defense.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:24 am
I will bet we see B Campbell getting a lot of run this year and most will be kicking themselves and cable in the a$$ for playing favorites…
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:25 am
Well at least WE’RE NOT LOSERS ANYMORE!
That was the best part of that presser, Davis’ little grunt after he called cable the head coach and the one after the quote!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:25 am
W Moss or D Perry?
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 am
Let’s not forget the mess Al Davis handed Cable, and now the pretty good situation that Cable handed over to Hue Jackson.
Hue just has to build on momentum. Cable had to build, basically from the ground up.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 am
This is year 2 wit the “Other Forces” at work. they are wise. Considering the improvement the Dline had last year they will be prudent and stick with the 4-3…
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 am
Yeah and i was saying the Kid should start ad get a lot of playing time and was beat like a drum by a lot of Semi’s on the blog…
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Guilty as charged lol!!!
However, you did compare him to Darren Sproles during our infamous Nostradamus debate.
Sproles ain’t got nothing on Jacoby!!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 am
I wonder what Lechler will have to say at the probowl game next week. Apology maybe?
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
I don’t think anyone in Raider Nation was easy about that statement of us not being losers anymore. The first thing I thought to myself was, ‘well, thats a stretch, we’re not winners either’. Then to listen to Hue Jacks PC after that and he sounded real – he was completely disappointed and set the bar higher for this team. Thats what you want in a HC. Don’t settle for mediocrity.
I knew he was going to be canned. I just didn’t like that statement one bit.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
Why does this Darren Perry name ring a bell? Is he a former Raider? I seem to recall his name associated with the Falcons for some reason.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
i could understand cable not starting campbell because hes a rookie but the guy should have gotten 1 or 2 series every game.that would have gone a long ways in getting ready for year 2.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
What he really meant was HE’S not a loser anymore!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
Well you can tell Al sure as shlt didn’t like it!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
cable built nothing.if hue jackson is not hired the raiders are 5-11.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
However, you did compare him to Darren Sproles during our infamous Nostradamus debate.
Sproles ain’t got nothing on Jacoby!!!!
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hahahahahahahahahah…Yeah i did make that comparison. Sproles is no whee near the playe of Ford…Nt i will say this you have been spot on about a lot of things concerning NAITON, and football in general….Nostro..
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
“Hue just has to build on momentum. Cable had to build, basically from the ground up.”
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Not true; but you will continue to see things as you wish.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:32 am
I ask about Perry then I remember, just seasrch his name… DB coach here in ‘07… played mostly for the steelers. I knew it was a black uni he wore!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 am
bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
i could understand cable not starting campbell because hes a rookie but the guy should have gotten 1 or 2 series every game.that would have gone a long ways in getting ready for year 2.
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I will bet this was a point of centention betweem Cable and Hue
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 am
-17-27
-8-8,
- losing 2 games to the AFC west
- your only 2 wins outside the division were against the NFC west.
- you said we not losers any more!! We are!! We were 3rd in our division.
- you graded last season as a b-?!? B- iswinnung your division, and maybe the wildcard game.
I’m glad you got fired you Fat Useless Monkey. You also have very low standards!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 am
Not true; but you will continue to see things as you wish.
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OK, well how do you see it?
You certainly have to agree that coaching the Raiders in 2011 after going 8-8 is much more desirable than what Cable walked into the beginning of 08.
You want to say Hue just has to build on the momentum HE CREATED for himself with what he did with the offense last year, I can roll with that.
But there was ZERO momentum of anything positive when Cable took over.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 am
If cable had of let the OCO call the plays last year he would still be here. He blew it te year he caled plays so technically he undermind himself and should have been fired. We should have been 12-4 this year…
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:37 am
Losing 2 games to the NFC*… west
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:39 am
Thec,
12 -4, or Atleast 10-6!!!?
Damn you Fat Monkey!
What’s up bro? lol
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
We should have been 12-4 this year…
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REally?
I don’t know man. We could have easily been 6-10 as easily as 10-6.
Jacoby bailed everyone out in the KC game, and Seabass made two tough kicks in the rain to win that game.
And the first SD game was teetering on the edge before the Huffy forced fumble.
I think this was an 8-8 team. Rookies at key spots and a new QB usually doesn’t get you to 12-4 until they have a few years under their belt.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:41 am
We should have won against AZ, SF, Miami, and Jax! We should have also won the Tenn & Texans games IMO. 14-2!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:44 am
The Steelers are better, and PM is PM!
14-2!!!
We had the talent, but we didn’t have the right coaches!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:45 am
O,
We lost to Tennessee by more than 3 TD’s, lol!!!
How should we have won that game? That’s like the Broncos saying they should have split with us.
We weren’t even in the same league with them at that time of the year.
Seems we played 7 close games (Jax, SF, AZ, STL, KC1, SD1, Colts) and we went 3-4.
Chalk it up to inexperience, and not knowing how to close out and win games.
Next year we will be much more prepared MENTALLY to win those games.
Raider On folks.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
Marshall got 2 years to produce and Rob Ryan got 5 years? We were alot better under Marshall but he didnt follows AL’s script to a “T”
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:54 am
We saw how many teams interviewed Cable for head coach? 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:55 am
Raider O Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:39 am
Thec,
12 -4, or Atleast 10-6!!!?
Damn you Fat Monkey!
What’s up bro? lol
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What up O…..Looks like a great day to go watch some football at a pub or sports grill.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:55 am
he and his agent were happy he just a landed a job!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
JFB, only reason i say 12-4 this year was cables first full year if he lets a competent OCO call the plays we would have been 8-8 last yer, should have been 8-8 last year. This year we would have had a year of continuity and built on that.
I am still pissed offf about last season. He should have been fired after that…
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:03 am
People giving Cable the credit for going 8-8 is what I would call reaching. Sure he gets some credit for being the HC at that time but I would say the overwhelming majority of that is Hue Jackson!
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fair enough, but commit to that view, you must admit Hue is also to blame for the 2-8 outside the AFC west… it goes both ways, if cable are to blame for the 2-8, he also get the credit for the 8-8… you must commit…
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
I think this was an 8-8 team. Rookies at key spots and a new QB usually doesn’t get you to 12-4 until they have a few years under their belt.
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have a great point that i forgot..Romac playing in the middle, him having a year under his belt should bode well for his playing…He seemed to be reacting instead of making plays sometimes…He would improve greatly ha we hired singletary as LB coach…To bad he went to minny…
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Raiders won all three Superbowls with 3-4 defense. Mean anything?
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Thec, save your $$$ for the #21 jersey for J Ford. Following the great Cliff Branch who eludes the Hall of Fame inexplicably.
Good riddance Aso the anti-playmaker, overpaid, overrated and underachieving cleanest jersey on sundays overhyped pro bowl farce of modern times.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
Bruce Campbell- starting RG, starting RT, starting TE, starting FB, starting NT, starting DE, starting OLB, kickoff return team, FG and XP team, designated FG and XP kick-blocker…this one-man wrecking crew is already on the roster in HueJack City.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Thec, save your $$$ for the #21 jersey for J Ford. Following the great Cliff Branch who eludes the Hall of Fame inexplicably.
Good riddance Aso the anti-playmaker, overpaid, overrated and underachieving cleanest jersey on sundays overhyped pro bowl farce of modern times.
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I thought Pro’s werent allowed to post until after 1pm…
What up Brown…..
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHa I know you are happy NAM21 may be on the outs….
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
Good riddance Aso the anti-playmaker, overpaid, overrated and underachieving cleanest jersey on sundays overhyped pro bowl farce of modern times.
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ROFLMAO……
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
# TerrapinRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
Oh. And the hiring of Al Saunders was more icing on the cake like I said before.
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Now hire a bad ass DC to top if off with some sprinkles …hmmmm goood
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bwahahaha commenting on you own posts? thats great =)
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
Thec,
Guru’s may post whenever the F they want to. Even when Jerry and his MOD ban my account unjustly.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
HueJack City
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Hey man you are treading on my turf…Solid name….
Thats what I will call him from now on…But watch yourself….
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:07 am
I wouldn’t mind resigning #21 but he has to be paid appropriately but somehow he has got it in his head he is a top 3 CB in the NFL.
Lets see what the open market brings him. I’m pretty sure I will have the last laugh on this one too, add it to the list semi’s!
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:08 am
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
Thec,
Guru’s may post whenever the F they want to. Even when Jerry and his MOD ban my account unjustly.
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hahahahahahaha….Right, I forgot about that clause….
You know what without the Pro’s and the Semis that post on this blog, this place would be a heap of dung…
This blog is made possible by all the Pro’s and Semi’s who post with regularity… Jerry you need to elevate guys like Brown, not ban them….
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 am
Thec,
Jerry is a Pud & his MOD is pimple faced little moron.
The end
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
The Pro’s and Semi’s have turned this blog into a banner add profit center with the number of unique hits and post…
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
The end
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LOL…..Spot on as usual…they semm to be doing a lot of censorship lately also…
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
I give Cable credit for saving the locker room, and thus saving the team. He took a total (almost legendary) disaster and delivered an 8-8 team. He was a rock of stability in Al’s sea of discontent.
Unfortunately for him, Cable is not an elite game planner (X’s and O’s), which means 8-8 or maybe 9-7 is the best he can ever do. Jackson, on the other hand, does show original thinking and should turn this team into a serious contender. He will be able to build on the foundation that Cable built.
Also, I disagree that coaching caused us to miss the playoffs. Bad QB play and bad defense made the difference, particularly in the critical SF, Miami and Jacksonville games, all of which were must-win. In all of those games the players on the field just could not get it done.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
Anyways i am out…Get to go watch football with a pair of 38DD’s….
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 am
The way I see it is you have figure head Tom Cable as HC. The general attitude of this team and readiness flows through him. Then you have the OC and DC who control their parts of influence.
Now I blame Cable for the on again off again performance of the team overall. (And all the damn hammies). They would show up some games and just bust it on others. So yes, give him credit for games the team showed up to play, namely all the AFC West games.
Then you have the DC & OC who are in charge of that units performance. At the end of the day this game is about points. One unit performed admirably in that area the other did not even though it has most of team’s overall talent. Simple as that.
So who do you look at? The HC got the team ampped for division games, going 6-0. But completely dropped the ball outside the divisoin against lesser opponents going 2-8. Game and personnel mismanagement on top of that. Fired!
The DC was given superior talent across the board but couldn’t keep opponents out of the endzone. Fired!
The OC was given great talents but not as much overall in comparison, certainly not as polished, and kept scoring points with what he had to the tune of 6th in the league, doubling production, etc etc. RETAINED & PROMOTED!
Now there’s more that goes into it for sure. But in this simple breakdown above, thats, well, the simple way to view it. Its just that simple.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:15 am
Agreed.
Apparently Jerry is a thankless S.O.B
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# Thec07 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
The Pro’s and Semi’s have turned this blog into a banner add profit center with the number of unique hits and post…
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 am
Terrapin – it is that simple. Bizarre press conferences notwithstanding
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 am
Well done.
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# Thec07 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
Anyways i am out…Get to go watch football with a pair of 38DD’s….
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
Well I shouldn’t say Tom Cable was “fired”. He was Not Extended to be precise.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 am
With a solid DC we will have a nice coaching staff in place!
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
# Thec07 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
Anyways i am out…Get to go watch football with a pair of 38DD’s….
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Have fun, man. John Herrera’s always fun to watch games with.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:26 am
# TerrapinRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
Well I shouldn’t say Tom Cable was “fired”. He was Not Extended to be precise.
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Sure. It was totally amicable. You could see that in Al’s press conference.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 am
# manmarquez Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Raiders won all three Superbowls with 3-4 defense. Mean anything?
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When watching those Raider teams, the first thing that comes to your mind as to what the Raiders of today need to do to be more like those Raiders is to switch to a 3-4?
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:32 am
I’m picking the Steelers & the Packers as today’s championship winners. Both games today should be excellent competitions. Could actually go either way in each game. It’s a pick’em Sunday. Go NFL!
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:33 am
As far as DC’s go, my hunch is that they are targeting Winston Moss from GB. But, it’s all rumor and conjecture at this point.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 am
Bears put an end to the media’s Tom Brady II, aka Aaron Rodgers. Defense wins championships. Steelers edge out Jets. What’s with the Jets NOT talking trash this week? It’s their charm! They jinxed themselves by being humble.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:36 am
I think waufle or cecil would make a good dc.our d-line played as good as anyone in the leauge we should stay a 4-3 team.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:40 am
190.manmarquez Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Raiders won all three Superbowls with 3-4 defense. Mean anything?
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nope.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:44 am
As far as DC goes, you guys have the right idea by narrowing it down to the puppets. No real DC is coming here.
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 am
really good head coaches get their team into the playoffs by their third year…
that’s one season to get rid of the riff-raff and bring in players for your system… usually a losing season…
second year to get everyone on the same page and further make the team gel… usually a 7-9 to 9-7 season…
third year playoffs… 10 wins or more…
it is done often… more often than you realise…
the Rams even… the freaking rams… are on thier way…
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 am
oh…
and DHB can’t catch…
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:50 am
Blacks can’t coach
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:52 am
jets and bears.too much talk about packers offense,steelers defense.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 am
Winston Moss:
Moss began his coaching career in 1998 as a defensive quality control assistant for the Seattle Seahawks. He was hired by the New Orleans Saints in 2000 as defensive assistant/quality control, he was promoted to linebackers coach near the end of that season to replace John Bunting, who departed to become head coach at the University of North Carolina. Moss was hired by the Packers to become their linebackers coach on January 19, 2006. He was promoted to assistant head coach by head coach Mike McCarthy on January 15, 2007. Following a disappointing 2008 season for the Packers, Moss was the only major defensive coach not to be fired by McCarthy.[1]
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This is not the resume of a Defensive Coordinator.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:10 am
JFB it doesn’t make sense to say we should be a certain record but a certain player bailed us out. Because taht’s what players are supposed to do. That’s how the Jets are where they are and so on. Teams players make plays to bail them out wether it’s the QB or the WR or the RB’s that’s what players do.
It craks me up when people wil say things like that because how else do you expect to win games?????!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:19 am
I don’t disagree Priest.
So this team was an 8-8 team, simple as that.
I just don’t buy that this “should have been a 10-6″ or any of that. I was just flipping it and saying some say we could have been 10-6 or we could have been 6-10.
Players bail teams out, and players also get beat by better players.
Our players were not as good as 8 other teams the day they played.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:25 am
Response to The Real MaddenRaider 213 and Florida Pete 218:
I think, if Patriots, Steelers, Jets and Packers have lately been so successful defensively, something should be. Today, the Offensives should be surpassed with the 3-4.
If you do not have the equipment, must be done!
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:30 am
I agre on thosee particular days we weren’t, but what bothers me is the question “should we have been”?.
I thought at times we were outcoached and other agendas came into play. A great coach can get those extra wins. The guy we had couldn’t.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:31 am
Packers aren’t that good. Media love affair with Rodgers, nothing more. Da Bears bring them back to reality today.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:34 am
IOW were we putting our best 22 on the field or did a hidden agenda come into play. How do you not play Bush and Campbell all year long. Why was the QB benched was it really becaue we had a better guy or was it that the coach didn’t want to play the owners QB??!!
That kind of crap affected our record IMO!
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:34 am
bears run a 4-3 cover 2 and are getting no respect.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
i`m sick of the 3-4.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
63.KoolKell Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 am
Winston Moss:
Moss began his coaching career in 1998 as a defensive quality control assistant for the Seattle Seahawks. He was hired by the New Orleans Saints in 2000 as defensive assistant/quality control, he was promoted to linebackers coach near the end of that season to replace John Bunting, who departed to become head coach at the University of North Carolina. Moss was hired by the Packers to become their linebackers coach on January 19, 2006. He was promoted to assistant head coach by head coach Mike McCarthy on January 15, 2007. Following a disappointing 2008 season for the Packers, Moss was the only major defensive coach not to be fired by McCarthy.[1]
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I don’t see this resume as a Defensive Coordinator.
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Be careful what you say. Look at what Cable’s resume did for him and he got the head gig. I’ll take W Moss in a heartbeat to lead our D.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
Both games are very up in the air to me I think it comes down to t/o’s and the ability to capitolize on them.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
You had that pastrami burger yet JFB?
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:39 am
Good Morning Nation!
Good to see OG’s of this blog this fine day!!
priesttj, The Real MaddenRaider, KoolKell, Mistabrown, Double R, Thec, JFB
Go Pack!!!
go Jets!!!
GO RIADDUUUHHHHSSS!!!!!!!!!!
All pros or semi’s IMHO
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:39 am
Either alignment is great IMO it’s a matter of personnel. Do you have the personnel to run the choice you make? I think we stay 4/3 based on personnel. It’s easy o flip fronts based on down and distance.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:39 am
No sir.
Actually boiling my frozen Turkey day carcass as we speak, going to get a lot of the meat off of it (lots of dark meat) and make some type of green chile, turkey soup.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
Oak,
How does Curry not run out on Blake yesterday with only two seconds on the shot clock??
I love Curry’s offensive game, but he is awful on D some times.
No winning mentality!!! Who cares if he is not his man, he was in his area and there were 2 seconds on the shot clock.
Damn it all to hell!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:42 am
JFB that game was lost on the glass if the W’s rebound they win…..period
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:43 am
# Florida Pete Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 am
oh…
and DHB can’t catch…
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That’s not what Al said on Tuesday. Said he’s the second coming of Cliff Branch.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 am
W’s can’t rebound well, that’s what kills them.
Just wish we had more defensive awareness. I see times when on a defensive rotation our Guards will fly out on the power forward 23 feet from the hoop and they will just swing it to an open shooting guard for 3.
Awareness!!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:46 am
Winston Moss:
Moss began his coaching career in 1998 as a defensive quality control assistant for the Seattle Seahawks. He was hired by the New Orleans Saints in 2000 as defensive assistant/quality control, he was promoted to linebackers coach near the end of that season to replace John Bunting, who departed to become head coach at the University of North Carolina. Moss was hired by the Packers to become their linebackers coach on January 19, 2006. He was promoted to assistant head coach by head coach Mike McCarthy on January 15, 2007. Following a disappointing 2008 season for the Packers, Moss was the only major defensive coach not to be fired by McCarthy.[1]
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That’s not a Defensive Coordinator resume anywhere in the NFL. Except as a puppet in Oakland.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:47 am
Whoever DC is like us in 4-3. Kelly and Seymour side by side absolutely man handle people at times. In games against Seattle, at Denver, at San Diego, at KC we really physically dominated. Not sure why we could not do that in some of the games we lost.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
Our front four was, IMO, our best unit for the whole team, with probably RB’s as the second best. Either way, they were 1-2.
Retain Bush and Seymour, and do the same thing we did last year at those two positions, all the while improve things around them.
Playoffs!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:51 am
Good morning fellas,
Is Jim Mora Jr. publibly campaigning for the Raider DC job? Did you guys just hear him on NFLN pregame? lol.
He just said that the Bears can’t just sit in their cover 2 two all day or Rodgers will pick em apart.
He said they are going to have to play some man to man with single high safety if they are going to get to Rodgers. Seriously.
Must be music to Al’s ears.
Now they’re talking on helium. These guys are nuts.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:53 am
ohioraider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:43 am
# Florida Pete Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 am
oh…
and DHB can’t catch…
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That’s not what Al said on Tuesday. Said he’s the second coming of Cliff Branch.
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He was talking about Ford.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:53 am
how many players do the patriots have to draft to replace seymour before they finaly say the raiders got the better of the deal.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 am
I bet on da Bears but I really have a bad feeling about it… come on Lovie, beat them Packers!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:56 am
Actually I’ve heard Mora has turned down the Broncos DC job as well as another. Supposedly he wants to stay in TV for another year before he jumps back into the fire.
I just thought it was interesting that he was suggesting the Bears play Al’s antiquated, outdated scheme if they wanted to beat Aaron Rodgers. Struck me as kinda ironic. That’s all.
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:56 am
KK what was Mike Tomlin before he got the HC job?, what was Raheem Morris before he got the HC job?, What was Josh McDaniels before he was OC in NE?, what was Rex Ryan before he was DC in NE??
When ar eyou going to go beyond the scope of Al Davis my man and speak with some degree of knowledge. Do you believe Jim harbaugh was worth $25 million for his first HC job in the NFL.?
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
First of all buck to say that a man defense is antiquated is somewhat ignorant. More teams play man than is believed. They may not play it as much but to call it old is not accurate. The best way to play defense is man with a 4 man rush it’s just that very few teams have the personnel to play it.
Blitzing exposes a defense and mask a weakness it’s not a strength. Teams that blitz when they want to and still get to the QB are much better prepared to dominate. However it can be very effective if done smartly.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:08 pm
KC plays a lot of man with single high safety so odes the Ravens with Reed it’s much more widely used it’s just that people hate Mr Davis and everything he does. So they ignorantly assume if he does it, it must be wrong………childish foolishness!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Buckeye,
You guys gave Cueto way too much money.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:10 pm
I was being slightly sarcastic Priest. M Lonetree called me on the same thing about a week ago.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them mix it up a little. That’s why I said maybe they could mix in a lil 3-4 with some different blitz packages. Miix in a little more zone, also.
However, tight bump and run, Man to man defense is one of the core principles of Raider football. Part of their proud tradition. And, yes it can still be very effective if played right. Hence, the Raiders #2 ranked pass defense.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Speaking of Harbaugh 25 million …
Read his brother is about to sign an extension in Baltimore to up his salary from 2.5 million this year to around the 4 million range..
Amazing that Jim is making more than his brohter.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Aaron Rogers is BY FAR the best QB in the league, IMO.
I’d take him over ANY other QB in th league in a hertbeat.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:17 pm
191.Mistabr0wn Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Good riddance Aso the anti-playmaker, overpaid, overrated and underachieving cleanest jersey on sundays overhyped pro bowl farce of modern times.
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Then you better send message to Al Davis to start playing more zone defense.
The only thing worse than 1 side of the field getting burned on every down…is both sides of the field getting burned on every down!
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Who did we take instead of Rodgers? Fabian Washington in that draft? Ha.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:19 pm
256.J Hill Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Speaking of Harbaugh 25 million …
Read his brother is about to sign an extension in Baltimore to up his salary from 2.5 million this year to around the 4 million range..
Amazing that Jim is making more than his brohter.
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Its about the marketplace. If Jon Harbaugh pushed the issue with Baltimore and tried to get his release to the open market…I am sure he would see more dollars
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Who did we take instead of Rodgers? Fabian Washington
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DAMN!
How did this guy to fall to the back of the 1st rd?
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Jon Harbaugh hasn’t done a thing to suggest he would be a hot commodity on the open market. Baltimore is no better years later than when he took over.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:24 pm
SnB great call!!
If they don’t throw at nnamdi it’s not a bad thing it’s a good thing wether you agree with him deserving that kind of respect or not the fact that he gets it HELPS us………….period
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Things some of us have been saying for a while now:
Against a good D, you need a top QB to open up the run game.
Thus our lack of running game vs 49ers, Steelers, Dolphins.
How will our running game fare next year vs Jets, Patriots, Bears, Dolphins, and Vikings? Depends on our QB play.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:25 pm
We are NOT going to run the GB defense next year.
2 DLman ????
That would be a waste of our talent.
Something closer to what Chicago is doing would be more realistic.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:28 pm
i like the man coverage and deep safety…some people in here want the corners playing zone for the run game. If thats the case the draft safeties to play corner and if we are relying on the corners for run defense then the def is already scrwd…
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:31 am
Packers aren’t that good. Media love affair with Rodgers, nothing more. Da Bears bring them back to reality today.
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Do you aspire to stupidity?
Or is it you aspire to perfect stupidity?
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I’ll take Huff, Bush, and the change on the OL for the 17 million or anything close to that it would have taken to have Nnamdi here. If Nnamdi wants to take the change left over from Huff and Bush, then I’d love to have him.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Who did we take instead of Rodgers? Fabian Washington in that draft? Ha.
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23 teams fans are saying “who did we take instead of Rodgers”?
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Unless we want to talk about moving Nnamdi back to S. Then I’d bring him back with Bush.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Things some of us have been saying for a while now:
Against a good D, you need a top QB to open up the run game.
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See Mark Sanchez over your boy Tom Brady.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:46 pm
268.J Hill Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I’ll take Huff, Bush, and the change on the OL for the 17 million or anything close to that it would have taken to have Nnamdi here. If Nnamdi wants to take the change left over from Huff and Bush, then I’d love to have him.
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Jhill, sounds good in theory until we are all throwing up profanity filled posts and yelling at the tv at yet another long 3rd and forever completion.
Nnamdi does something that is special. He shuts down an entire side of the field.
If the Raiders continue running the man2man as much as they do…they need BAUCE cornerbacks.
Look at when the Raiders defensive scheme has worked well….its been with very good to dominant cornerbacks that can play that man2man with no help.
You get rid of Nnamdi, without adjusting scheme, and the pass defense will become the achilles heel that the run defense has been
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Jhill why would anyone ,move nnamdi to safety? it’s much easier to find a safety than it is a top cover corner. I think Nnamdi is going to stay just at a much lower price. he has no choice, but to take a pay cut.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I wonder what those who think the B shouldn’t checkdown or have a running game think of the Packer offense today.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Brady playe his best ball thois year throwing short and intermediate routes yet when we do it it’s called bad QB play. lol
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:51 pm
# J Hill Says:
Jon Harbaugh hasn’t done a thing to suggest he would be a hot commodity on the open market. Baltimore is no better years later than when he took over.
GOODNESS Hill, it took me 30 seconds to research that 2 of the last 3 years before Harbaugh was hired, the Ravens went:
5-11 and 6-10.
Yeah, they’re NO BETTER now than then. Geez.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Priestt,
why are the Bears SOFT against the checkdown?
Oh, because the Packers have hit a couple downfield passes to their wideouts, something we kind of sucked at, so good defenses TOOK AWAY our dump offs.
Also, Rodgers isn’t dumping off on 3rd and 9 for a 3 yard gain.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Yeah. Looking at this Packers offense I’m think Mora is right from what Buck posted above. You have to run man2man bump n run defense. You have to knock these WRs off their routes jamming them at the line. These slants will kill you if you don’t. Other than that you have to win on the Dline.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
The Packers leading receiver so far…is a wide receiver. Interesting.
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Terrapin,
most of us against using man 90% of the time are against it because of what it does to your run defense.
Certainly bumping receivers helps your pass D. We saw that against the Colts. But with our DBs predictably turned around chasing WRs downfield, and safeties covering tight ends across the field, we are outschemed and give up big runs way too often.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Who you throw it to doesn’t matter as long as he plays on your team. Some of the comments in here are flat out retarded. The objective of the game is to WIN……period
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Alex – I defense of that defensive scheme that is what the front 7 is for. You can’t base your run D on corners
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:02 pm
NE fans didn’t complain when Brady was throwing it to TE’s did they? Get a clue wil ya’?
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Bears Dline is getting handled. That will be the game.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:05 pm
We have a very hard scedule ext season. As it stands. But we get the pats an jets at home an Miami an buff on the road. That’s an advantage. Cuz SD an DEN go on the road to the fore an gay the latter at home.
The home schedule is in our favor when at home an beat an beat buff an Miami on the road plus the div foes on road an we make the playoffs an win the div
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Priestt, why do you think Nnamdi has no choice? Are you really sure that NONE out of 31 other teams will offer him 11 million a year? Or 12? Champ Bailey is about 7 years older and is making 9 million. Peppers is making somewhere around the same. 11 to 12 for Nnamdi, to a team that has salary to use, isn’t outrageous.
Shoot, the Texans would dish out more than $10 to finally have a real CB. Jerry Jones might also. Bears might be interested if they keep getting shredded by Rodgers.
The Ravens and Patriots have $50 MILLION less in salary than we do. The $ is definitely out there, and Nnadmi is worth a few more million than Elvis Drumerville, Julius Peppers, Matthew Stafford, and Champ Bailey.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:07 pm
12-4 next season
qoute me on this folks
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:08 pm
2010 Total Payroll
NFL Teams Total Payroll
NFL Oakland Raiders Team Salaries $ 152,389,371
NFL Dallas Cowboys Team Salaries $ 146,401,600
NFL Minnesota Vikings Team Salaries $ 133,354,045
NFL Cleveland Browns Team Salaries $ 131,916,300
NFL New Orleans Saints Team Salaries $ 131,531,820
NFL Pittsburgh Steelers Team Salaries $ 128,815,061
NFL Tennessee Titans Team Salaries $ 126,017,443
NFL Arizona Cardinals Team Salaries $ 122,110,110
NFL Jacksonville Jaguars Team Salaries $ 122,109,207
NFL Chicago Bears Team Salaries $ 120,065,819
NFL San Francisco 49ers Team Salaries $ 118,766,239
NFL New York Jets Team Salaries $ 116,910,097
NFL St. Louis Rams Team Salaries $ 116,677,660
NFL New York Giants Team Salaries $ 115,816,180
NFL Miami Dolphins Team Salaries $ 114,649,660
NFL Buffalo Bills Team Salaries $ 113,364,927
NFL Carolina Panthers Team Salaries $ 112,114,711
NFL Washington Redskins Team Salaries $ 111,963,684
NFL San Diego Chargers Team Salaries $ 111,813,340
NFL Cincinnati Bengals Team Salaries $ 109,727,880
NFL Philadelphia Eagles Team Salaries $ 109,557,398
NFL Houston Texans Team Salaries $ 108,445,418
NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers Team Salaries $ 104,329,311
NFL Seattle Seahawks Team Salaries $ 102,985,710
NFL Atlanta Falcons Team Salaries $ 96,391,525
NFL Detroit Lions Team Salaries $ 95,827,117
NFL Denver Broncos Team Salaries $ 95,599,778
NFL Green Bay Packers Team Salaries $ 94,018,300
NFL Indianapolis Colts Team Salaries $ 93,373,915
NFL New England Patriots Team Salaries $ 92,734,120
NFL Baltimore Ravens Team Salaries $ 90,713,965
NFL Kansas City Chiefs Team Salaries $ 83,623,776
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
I watched a coach and a QB win 3 SB’s checking the ball down their RB had 1,000yards recieving. All the did was throw short slants and crosses and the WR’s would catch it 5 yards downfiled and run 80 yards with it for TD. Both the coach and the QB are in the HOF their names Bill Walsh and Joe Montana.
As long as you win who cares……….period
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Namndi will get that from the raiders
you’ll see.
Just not 17 mil
he’ll work wit al to stay here
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Playoff teams Patriots, Packers, Ravens, Chiefs, and Colts are all at the bottom of the NFL’s payroll list.
Wow.
So a great GM and good to great QB will save Al about $50 million per year.
How is a GM hire not worth it, Al?
Oh yeah, the ego trumps winning.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Son $11 or $12 $million is a PAY CUT!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Priest,
do u agree with post #285
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Priestt, if you could stick to the last 20 years of NFL football, your points would be much more valid.
I’m surprised you ignore what Jerry Rice and John Taylor did to open up the underneath stuff.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Tim brown took bonuses instead
so will Namndi
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:14 pm
I have no problem with Al Davis’ man2man scheme.
No problem at all. When its working its down right lethal.
Problem is you need the right players to play it. Nnamdi is one of the few that can play it right.
You lose him and you can’t run the defense as its done now.
You will have to play nore zones etc…to protect the very average CBs that will remain.
Routt and CJ are ok when they aren’t getting PI calls…Walter McFadden is an unknown.
You lose Nnamdi you have to revamp the defenesive scheme
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:14 pm
I hope he stays for less than that I would like to see somewhere near $8-9 mill no more. It would help keep more players here.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Priestt, just tell me if you agree with this or not.
Checkdowns only work against good teams if they respect your deep passing game, and commit a safety or two deep.
Otherwise, explain where our checkdown offense went against good D’s or cover-2 D’s like the 49ers, Steelers, Colts, Rams and Dolphins.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
Our front four was, IMO, our best unit for the whole team, with probably RB’s as the second best. Either way, they were 1-2.
Retain Bush and Seymour, and do the same thing we did last year at those two positions, all the while improve things around them.
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Yep.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:17 pm
SnB Production Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:14 pm
I have no problem with Al Davis’ man2man scheme.
No problem at all. When its working its down right lethal.
Problem is you need the right players to play it. Nnamdi is one of the few that can play it right.
You lose him and you can’t run the defense as its done now.
You will have to play nore zones etc…to protect the very average CBs that will remain.
Routt and CJ are ok when they aren’t getting PI calls…Walter McFadden is an unknown.
You lose Nnamdi you have to revamp the defenesive scheme
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Yep.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Yeah i would tend to agree that palying better teams at home makes a big difference. Home crowd!
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:18 pm
SnB,
so you want to add better (more expensive) players to our league-high $150 million payroll, so we can improve our 20th ranked D?
Ehh, that’s franchise suicide.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Priestt, just tell me if you agree with this or not.
Checkdowns only work against good teams if they respect your deep passing game, and commit a safety or two deep.
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A “checkdown” is when you dump off, when receivers downfield are covered. Comphrende?
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:19 pm
It’s to bad we can’t get Dom capers
hope green bay loses. Then we might have a shot
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:21 pm
It was easier for Mr. Davis to find “superior athletes” in the 1970s when half the league didn’t lift weights or appreciate black athletes.
Nowadays, we’re spending $50 MILLION MORE than other teams to TRY and find superior athletes throughout the field.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Anyone care to challenge me on my 12-4 prediction for next season
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:23 pm
KK,
lol you think Campbell checked down because all 3 receivers were covered downfield, or was it because it’s part of his safe nature, and a freakin’ O-LINE coach had to keep urging him to cut it loose?
Come on.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:24 pm
R8dercain,
words are just words.
I would bet you $50 that we won’t finish any better than 10-6.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:24 pm
302.alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:18 pm
SnB,
so you want to add better (more expensive) players to our league-high $150 million payroll, so we can improve our 20th ranked D?
Ehh, that’s franchise suicide.
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Nope…franchise suicide is playing a scheme that you don’t have the players for.
Losing Nnamdi AND keeping the same script is really suicide.
Say hello to a 31st ranked defense.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:25 pm
and KK,
what good is a checkdown if your receivers are single-covered or your QB doesn’t take shots often?
You have 6 guys flooding the short stuff ready to blow up your check down. Exactly what happened vs Colts, Steelers, Dolphins, and 49ers.
You need a better QB and better WRs like the Packers to open up the underneath stuff.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:27 pm
SnB,
you CAN’T have the right personnel nowadays to run man 90% of the time. You CAN’T have top athletes all across the field. Talent is spread out too evenly nowadays.
Thus, we need to change schemes more than we need to try and throw more millions around at more quality players.
But I think you and I are essentially saying the same thing.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Alex7 were you around to see football in the 70’s or are you some young punk full of enuendo and speculation? If you weren’t there stop trying to tell someone who was, what happened……..it makes you look and sound stupid.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:29 pm
The Raiders receiving corps does not at this point in time compare with the better teams in the league.
Now JC has some work to do as well to be sure.
But chucking up the ball to Murphy and DHB 40x doesn’t seem like a very good strategy.
I would rather see checkdowns and allow the running game to do its work and the offense to be patient.
The offense wasn’t the sole reason this team was bad.
The defense giving up 30+ points in nearly half the games and bad kick coverage is the reason this team finished 8-8
Offense is not the #1 challenge right now. Regardless if your FAVORITES are playing or not
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Alex7,
Until I hear or see the scheme change…gotta keep the key players that makes the defense digestable.
I agree with you 100% about changing the scheme to lessen dependence on a key player or two..
But the Raiders have a system and if they are going to stick with it…then you need the horses to play it.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:32 pm
If DHB would play to his ability like Jacoby Ford…I think you would see more balls downfield
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Priestt, is the personal bashing really necessary when you have no idea what I have or haven’t seen?
For you to credit “checkdowns” to RBs for the 49ers Super Bowls and ignore the fact that Rice, Taylor, and Brent Jones were drawing defenders away from the underneath stuff…
that’s what sounds stupid.
As if those checkdowns would have worked without those top WRs.
Our offense has PROVEN what happens when you have a crappy QB and crappy WRs and can’t pass effectively. You put up pathetic displays vs top teams.
Are you disagreeing with that? You use the Packers with their All-Pro QB and WR as proof that checkdowns work???
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
306.r8dercain Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Anyone care to challenge me on my 12-4 prediction for next season
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That’s where I have us next year, worse case. We retain Nnamdi and Seymore and upgrade the corner opposite Nnamdi and another good OLB, we go 13-3.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Agree with almost everything you say, SnB.
I will credit the D for keeping us in the game against the 49ers, Steelers, and Titans.
We lost those games in the 2nd half when our offense continually sputtered and our D eventually wore out.
The only thing I’m frustrated is that Al keeps blaming coaches that HE hires when they can’t run HIS defense to his liking. As if anyone can.
That’s cost us so many top coaches just this decade by having them avoid the dumb situation here.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Oooh, I’ll bet R8ercain AND 504 $100 bucks each that we don’t finish better than 10-6 next year.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Two critical positions to our team will be #1 WR and top notch OLB.
The offense will be +7 from a year ago and defense -7.
No more Raider jokes from media or MR at that point.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
bydavidwhite David White
“@mortreport: Filed to ESPN: Carson Palmer will demand a trade from Bengals; willing to play retirement card, if necessary.”
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Make it happen Al!!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
I doubt we will even go 10-6 with JaPanic back there. How did those checkdowns work out for us this year? 5 out of 8 losses the offense was a no show!
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
No you sound stupid kid because you didn’t see it, if you did you wouldn’t make comments that didn’t happen. You’re obviously going on hearsay……….period
Rice and Taylor who both were friends of mine ran a few clear outs but they rarely went deep everything was basically shallow.. If they did once in a great while they were down the middle of the field. Because Joe couldn’t throw the nine route. You see kid I remmeber when Joe was a rookie saw his senior season at ND. Saw the Cottonbowl he won live. There is nothing taht you can tell me I saw it live.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Alex7
I normally don’t bet but when I do, I bet against the Raiders. We lose I get something out of it.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Well I say jcamp gets better benifiting from continuity
an being we were 6-2 at home this year we will build on that
12-4 tho 10-6 is still good
y bet u
either way we make the playoffs
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Biggest needs for next season? Starting corner, maybe 2. Help on right side of o-line. Maybe new center. Veteran reciever. Outside linebacker. Draft a QB? Think BG is on way out
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:53 pm
OL coach is gone. Wonder who Hue will bring in?
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:53 pm
You think BG is on his way out? I’d be shocked if he were back. I think Boller is going to be the backup.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Priestt name-dropping. lol.
I’m sure most people credit checkdowns for the 49ers success Priestt. If that’s what you want to hear in your alternative universe, I’ll let you have it.
I have NEVER said they went deep often. I said their QB and WRs were top-notch and that’s exactly what you NEED to make use of checkdowns against a top D.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
R8ercain,
what do you make of JC’s 1-5 record outside the weak AFC West? Coincidence? That’s going to improve when we play the Jets, Patriots, Bears, Packers, and Vikings next year?
Hahaha.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Priesttj Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
No you sound stupid kid because you didn’t see it, if you did you wouldn’t make comments that didn’t happen. You’re obviously going on hearsay……….period
Rice and Taylor who both were friends of mine ran a few clear outs but they rarely went deep everything was basically shallow.. If they did once in a great while they were down the middle of the field. Because Joe couldn’t throw the nine route. You see kid I remmeber when Joe was a rookie saw his senior season at ND. Saw the Cottonbowl he won live. There is nothing taht you can tell me I saw it live.
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You can’t help yourself, can you?
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Todd Collins.
The QB that took Jason Campbell’s 6-7 Redskins team and went 3-0 to put them in the playoffs.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Wow,
Cutler with the Jason-like 38 rating so far.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Todd Collins, he of the 10 completions and 5 interceptions this year.
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:58 pm
lol kk
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:59 pm
awesome stat 100percentraider!
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:59 pm
one thing i give josh mcdaniels.. he was absolutely right about cutler.. i’m said about that, i’d rather he be a donkey;-)
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Priestt, is the reason BG would be gone and Boller the backup because Boller would be deemed “better” or to lessen the pressure on JC? Not like BG will be expensive, so curious.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I thought putzhead was easily a top ten QB when he played in dungver. He sure blows in a bears uni
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
against carolina, he went 6-16 with 4 interceptions for a qb rating of 6.2,
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:03 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Agree with almost everything you say, SnB.
I will credit the D for keeping us in the game against the 49ers, Steelers, and Titans.
We lost those games in the 2nd half when our offense continually sputtered and our D eventually wore out
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True…although the Steelers game was pretty bad on both sides of the ball. Defense gave up 3rd and forevers that led to points.
I would say the defense lost the Cardinals, Texans and Jaguars games….and certainly did nothing to help the Miami game either.
As JFB said, this was an 8-8 ball club that was not as good as 8 of its opponents this past year.
Offense needs to play more consistently and the defense needs to stop the run….and maybe the pass if Nnamdi goes and the scheme stays
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:03 pm
R8erwill,
Cutler is struggling one game away from the Super Bowl.
Would you say that also means something negative about Brady?
Cutler in Denver = much better than anything they have and they would have used their 1st rounder on someone better than Tebow.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
339.Plunketthead Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I thought putzhead was easily a top ten QB when he played in dungver. He sure blows in a bears uni
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But Cutler got his team to the NFC championship game.
We don’t dare speak of such things right now
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
The Cardinals game. Long time ago, but didn’t we give up an opening-game kickoff return? After that, I think we gave up 14 or 17 points?
Cardinals, Texans, and Jaguars all ran it on us big-time.
That falls on the Al Davis scheme, as it has the last 7 years, and 10 of the last 13.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
36% of the Jets roster went undrafted according to PFT
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:06 pm
SnB,
In 2 years as a starter in Chicago, he has thrown 42 interceptions. I would not give up 2 1st rounders for that, and especially for a QB that will sit down in the 2nd half of an NFC championship game against the Packers.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
I notice many fans are easily swayed by what happened most recently, ignoring/forgetting what happens most of the other time.
Thus, Cutler is bad. JC is good. Patriots are over-rated. Michael Bush is really good (solid last game in KC, bad much of the rest of the year).
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Alex i see the same thing. Like ppl thinking Loper can be our starting guard cuz he played a couple decent games. couldnt get off the bench in oakland or detroit, if we count on him next year we could be in trouble.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
100percent,
you’re blaming Cutler for being injured?
And for not getting the complicated Mike Martz system last year? And for not having a #1 WR?
See, Cutler had a LEGIT excuse last year for the “I’ll get better next year / continuity” thing. His system was complex, and he improved this year.
Are we saying that Hue’s offense is somehow complicated and Jason needed more than a full season? And 3 months in shorts will solve all his issues? Nah.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:10 pm
100%Raider,
I am no cheerleader for Jay Cutler. But I have respect for bottom line production.
Cutler has his team 1 game away from the super bowl and led his team to a division title.
Certainly the Bears are not even thinking ofthose 2 1st rounders any more and have their QB for the next 10 years.
That’s worth 3 1st rounders.
Meanwhile, Denver gave up on Kyle Orton and are rebuilding again.
Gotta have a good QB to win as we so painfully know as Raider fans.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Yeah 100,
it’s weird that fans don’t mind if Huff, Gallery, Asomugha, and Miller leave.
Loper, Stevie Brown, that Iowa rookie TE, and uhhh, Walter McFadden will just slide right in and replace high-level play. It’s thinking like that that would get a coach and GM fired.
When we finally have a few good players, Raider fans want them gone.
??
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Brett Favre would play lmao.
I think JC has a legit excuse this year. Not like he has the Packers WRs out there, or even the bears. knox would be our best reciever. new system, bad protection, young recievers, and the thought in your mind that if you make 1 mistake your going to get yanked, is not a recipe for success for a qb. He deserves another chance. not saying hes the answer, we should draft a qb at some point this year. but we could do far worse than JC.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:17 pm
I think Huff is very underrated to the Raiders’ D. The way the raiders play D puts him in no-win situations often, and makes him look bad but he has a tough job. Ppl would be crying for Huff back after 4 games with stevie brown starting at FS.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:18 pm
351.alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Yeah 100,
it’s weird that fans don’t mind if Huff, Gallery, Asomugha, and Miller leave.
Loper, Stevie Brown, that Iowa rookie TE, and uhhh, Walter McFadden will just slide right in and replace high-level play. It’s thinking like that that would get a coach and GM fired.
When we finally have a few good players, Raider fans want them gone.
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So true. Especially the point of looking glowingly on low-round picks with limited playing time
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Look at both the Bears and Green Bay defenses. Both defenses holding up despite struggling offenses.
Just play ball!
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Its the Caleb Hanie show folks…this should be interesting. Caleb, this is Clay. Clay, meet Caleb
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:26 pm
What about plucking someone off the bears staff to be our dc. 4-3 scheme
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Mistic, the Bears pretty much exclusively play a Cover 2 4-3. Completely different from Al Davis’ man-to-man philosophy.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Although I would take the Green Bay linebackers coach.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Route running makes the receiver. Nice job by Johnny Knox
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:31 pm
NO, AL will not be trading for Hanie!
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Caleb Hanie, Daniel Loper, Stevie Brown. Your 2011 Oakland Raiders
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:35 pm
100,
I realize the bears play lots of cover 2 on the back end, although not nearly as much as people say they do. The raiders tried to use cover 2 on a few occasions this year and were burned badly, huff & branch blew the coverages.
Also a new dc is not going to have to play exclusivly this or that. I have the sense that we will mix the coverages much more than we mixed them this year, disguising & so fourth. Also I can see us mixing coverages before mixing fronts.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Packers fan to travel agent, “can I put you on hold for 10 minutes????”
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:37 pm
I would also be good with Winston moss
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:38 pm
This is two defenses that are playing despite struggling offenses.
No excuse….just play
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Why is Boller thought of as being worse than BG? I prefer Bollers size and athleticism and arm strength. Not as crazy about BG as some of you are. IMO Boller is just as good.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:41 pm
The Raiders didn’t lay as much zone because quite frankly they suck at it. You have to play a lot of zone to be great at it.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Not sure what Boller brings because he’s been pretty bad of late.
Bruce Gradkowski will not be with this team next year. He will be battling for a roster spot somewhere
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Yes, the Raiders have been really bad at zone. They probably should spend some more time with it. Especially if Nnamdi is not retained
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Didn’t Al talk about Bruce during the presser? I thought he spoke about BG being injury prone and he didn’t sound too excited about him. I could be wrong though.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Rodgers is stinking the joint up he is keeping the Bears in it.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:52 pm
372.priesttj Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Rodgers is stinking the joint up he is keeping the Bears in it.
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I think this is two defenses playing championship football. not so much bad QBs or bad offenses.
That’s why I am big on having a strong defense. Good defense keeps you in the game no matter what the offense is doing
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:52 pm
BJ Raji…..
oh nevermind
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:56 pm
I hope everyone sees what happens to good qbs against great defense. They struggle.
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Preitssj
Here’s an oldie, but goodie, note the date:
Priesttj Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 10:19 pm
So far I’m waiting until I see this fat astard make a single play. He’s doing the same thing I saw him do in the senior bowl nothing. Hightower is running right at them BJ is getting handled.
All you wannabe GM’s, tell me exactly what this guy does that makes you drool over him?
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:13 pm
# Raiders for life Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Didn’t Al talk about Bruce during the presser? I thought he spoke about BG being injury prone and he didn’t sound too excited about him. I could be wrong though.
…..
said Bruce has shown he can make some plays… then later talked about him not staying healthy
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Good defenses play well regardless of what the offense is doing.
Today was a textbook case!
I am sure we will see more lessons in game 2
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Bruce Gradkowski is going to fight for a roster spot somewhere else.
It was Al Davis that put him on IR
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:17 pm
# irishraiderfan Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Biggest needs for next season? Starting corner, maybe 2. Help on right side of o-line. Maybe new center. Veteran reciever. Outside linebacker. Draft a QB? Think BG is on way out
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Need a DC who will be utilize more 3-4 looks and use T Scott and Wimbley standing up on the outside more where they can rush the passer.
Loved seeing Wimbley as a down rush DE on passing downs this year.
Lamaar being a DE in 3-4 looks more often would be great.
It would be nice to see us draft a beast DT and OLB.
Jarvis Jenkins from Clemson Kenrick Ellis from Hampton…Dontay Moch from Nevada would look sweet in.
Raider uniforms.
G/C John Moffitt from Wisconsin would be a great addition to the team as well
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
I kept that one Priesttj, I knew it would come back to bit, ya. lol
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
lmao!
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:26 pm
3 Cheers for Charles Woodson;
Hip Hip!
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Davis said we all saw bg’s ability to come in and win A game, but he gets injured & that scares the he’ll out of me.
Translation bg was never considered to be more than emergency stop gap & should never have been named the stater
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5elGqb7Zc
CB Brandon Burton vs a 6-5 (I think) receiver. He might be the pick if Asomugha is let go. I would also like to have Baldwin in the 2nd if he drops that far.
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:33 pm
priesttj Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
I watched a coach and a QB win 3 SB’s checking the ball down their RB had 1,000yards recieving. All the did was throw short slants and crosses and the WR’s would catch it 5 yards downfiled and run 80 yards with it for TD. Both the coach and the QB are in the HOF their names Bill Walsh and Joe Montana.
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Shows you how little you know of the game, Old Man. Those were designed plays to Craig, not checkdowns. DESIGNED.
And 5 yd passes? Are you really this damn stupid, Old Man?
No wonder you want to feel ‘close’ to Al. You both are old as the hills. Both can’t remember yesterday. Both babble like you’re retarded.
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:33 pm
why are we cheering charles woodson.
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Check down options are built into the offensive play. Therefore when qb chooses one of the options & delivers the ball it IS a designed play by definition.
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Green Bay focused that draft on defense grabbing Matthews and Raji to bolster a fairly good defense that had Charles Woodson among others.
And when the offense has struggled….the defense stepped up and limited the opponent to 14 games and even scored a TD.
That’s what good defenses do. They play it out and win games on their own…even with a QB like Aaron Rogers.
So next year..,someone tell the Raider defense to run more wind sprints and suck it up if the offense is struggling!
Also, tell DHB that the Raiders need him to at least be a contributor in the passing game next year. I love the blocking and the team attitude…but he is being paid to catch footballs!
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
[...] After dismissing defensive coordinator John Marshall the Raiders followed suit by informing offensive line coach Jim Michalczik and quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett that they won’t be returning either according to Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune. [...]
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:33 pm
why are we cheering charles woodson.
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How about because he’s a great player, used to be a Raider, but Al let him go?
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Tough games on schedule but SD, KC, and DEN have to play em too. I like are chances in 2011.
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Chicago loses.
Their THIRD-STRING quarterback is Haney!
Hire a GM AL!
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:50 pm
snb…
word…
BHB can’t catch…
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:50 pm
# r8dercain Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Anyone care to challenge me on my 12-4 prediction for next season
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Challenge you?
laugh at you, sure.
Ok, for fun, I challenge you.
now what?
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:50 pm
neither can DHB…
lmao…
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:52 pm
if the raiders had the same patty cake schedule next year as they had this year…
i would say 12-4 would be a possibility…
but next years schedule is gonna be way harder…
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 pm
# r8dercain Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Anyone care to challenge me on my 12-4 prediction for next season
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The whole fuk’n league.
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 pm
games against 3 of the 4 teams in the championship game, as well as the pats.
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm
The win percentage of this years schedule compared to next years is the exact same
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:13 pm
I think Winton Moss is the man. Green Bay runs a very similar 4-3 defense and the fact that they are still playing explains the lag in naming a DC.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm
screw charles woodson.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:16 pm
green bay runs a 3-4.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:18 pm
The Raiders need to stick with the 4-3.
However, they need to play with the same tempo and pressure that we see out of elite defenses like GB, Pitt and others
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:20 pm
the raiders blitz more this year than years pasted.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm
i want more than just man to man.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:25 pm
bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:20 pm
the raiders blitz more this year than years pasted.
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That’s one of the reasons that Marshall got fired with no replacement in sight.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:26 pm
bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm
i want more than just man to man.
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Then you better fire Al Davis.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:27 pm
marshall got fired because he did not do a good job.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:28 pm
SnB Production Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:18 pm
The Raiders need to stick with the 4-3.
However, they need to play with the same tempo and pressure that we see out of elite defenses like GB, Pitt and others
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Shaughnessy and Kelly had a good year with the 4-3 and have no experience with the 3-4.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:29 pm
yes fire al davis!!!!!!the guy who owns the team.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:31 pm
but that still does`nt help the 5 safety look against jacksonville.(THE BIG NICKLE)
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:32 pm
412.bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:31 pm
but that still does`nt help the 5 safety look against jacksonville.(THE BIG NICKLE)
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That playcall alone was reason for dismissal.
Leaving Michael Huff on an island.
Ridiculous
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Guess the Raiders will have to wait another couple weeks to interview Winston Moss.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:37 pm
and cable for signing off on it .
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:42 pm
that Jacksonville game hurt…
so did SF…
Phoenix…
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:45 pm
jacksonville,cardinals,s.f,miami that`s the division right there.just when 3 out of 4.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:47 pm
i`m wrong 2 0f 4.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:51 pm
#110 My mistake. Charles Woodson wasn’t technically a bust but he just couldn’t stay healthy. Reminds me of Chaz. Maybe he can get past all of the nagging injuries and play a full season at his full potential. If Chaz doesn’t pan out do you call him a bust?
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:00 pm
[...] After dismissing defensive coordinator John Marshall the Raiders followed suit by informing offensive line coach Jim Michalczik and quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett that they won’t be returning either according to Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune. [...]
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Chaz wont be a bust cause he was a 7th round pick, I dont think there is such thing as a 7th round draft bust.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:02 pm
[...] McDonald of the Oakland Tribune pointed out that Tommy Kelly and Matt Shaughnessy are the likely candidates to struggle in a 3-4 [...]
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Yeah, why fire Marshall with nobody in sight? Winston Moss?…..weak.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 pm
feets done failed Rex now.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:10 pm
KK,
it is obvious that your hatred has other sources than Al Davis. you, for yourself, your hatred for your life as it has become, ma, pa, wife, whatever. no one can have such venom for an NFL owner on a daily basis, week after week, year after year without something very dark and personal as motive.
buena suerte.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Whatever Lonetree. Pray for me, ok?
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Who here wants Dirty Sanchez now? The Jets are looking a lot like we did against Pittsburgh
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
385.Guy Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 3:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5elGqb7Zc
CB Brandon Burton vs a 6-5 (I think) receiver. He might be the pick if Asomugha is let go. I would also like to have Baldwin in the 2nd if he drops that far.
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Is this some kind of joke? That Pitt receiver is pushing Burton around like a rag doll on run plays and bump and run coverage. Burton better hope a cover 2 team picks him.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:24 pm
419.SuicideRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:51 pm
#110 My mistake. Charles Woodson wasn’t technically a bust but he just couldn’t stay healthy. Reminds me of Chaz. Maybe he can get past all of the nagging injuries and play a full season at his full potential. If Chaz doesn’t pan out do you call him a bust?
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CWood reminds you of Chaz Schilens???
I don’t recall Chaz Schilens ever being named Rookie of the Year or making three consecutive Pro Bowls as a Raider. Yeah, he was dinged up his last couple of years here and one could question his desire at times, but if he reminds you of Chaz Schilens you obviously never saw the man play in Silver and Black.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Cat calls for Cu(n)tler.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6051718
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Chaz Schilens can never be considered a bust just a disapointment, no 7th round pick that see’s playing time is a bust
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:44 pm
# Guy Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Chaz wont be a bust cause he was a 7th round pick, I dont think there is such thing as a 7th round draft bust.
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LOL, No I dont think I ever heard about that either =)
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:45 pm
HA HA, Jets just played Al’s D. Tight man coverage and single deep safety.
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:48 pm
remember when I said its sad that you long for playoffs all season, and then they are boring..
afair, we have had 7quaters of good football this offseason..
I hope Jets will score some fast points so we all can sit on the edge of our sofas..
but a funny stat I have here, when Nick folk doesnt miss a kick, JETS wont win from behind…
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:50 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:45 pm
HA HA, Jets just played Al’s D. Tight man coverage and single deep safety.
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Jets have executed better during the season, but thats more or less their standard formation, cover 7..
January 23rd, 2011 at 5:52 pm
the safety was just waaay out of position.. Nothing like Al D… its based on the bears 4-6 (Buddy D)
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Jets got too cute at the goal line. Should have just pounded it in. But that safety may have bailed them out just a tad.
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Time isa wastin …they gotta get this thing in the endzone quickly!
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Our new Def Coord?
SanJay Lal
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Don’t make me puke
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 pm
The Jets OC should be embarassed. Yes, they scored but he is throwing this game giving them less of a shot to win it. He can’t get the damn plays in fast enough! Its ridiculous!
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 pm
steelers in it again just horrible. lets cheer for green bay raider nation
January 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 pm
dont want these punks wining #7
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:00 pm
I know I did NOT just hear “Steeler Nation” …OMFG
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Chicago is where QBs go to die. Jay Cuntler will probably be available next year……I hope he doesnt come here.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 pm
WTF is this ‘Steeler Nation’ crud?
All these wack teams claiming nation status is getting out of hand.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 pm
OMFG Not again! Steeler Nation? WTF!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 pm
What the hell is the Steeler Nation?????
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:04 pm
I don’t know what these ball clubs are trying to do. We need to represent and show the real NATION! We have to start winning now. These freakin’ clubs trying to steel everything Raider in our absense.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:05 pm
“Steeler Nation” coming directly for Rooney? Fck them.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:07 pm
# TerrapinRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:04 pm
I don’t know what these ball clubs are trying to do. We need to represent and show the real NATION! We have to start winning now. These freakin’ clubs trying to steel everything Raider in our absense.
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Bad enough every team is trying to wear Black as their colors…now this
Same way I feel other teams shouldn’t be waving towels, this ‘false nation’ stuff is getting out of hand
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:14 pm
This sht is disgusting. Steeler Nation. WTF?
Why did we have to fall off? This sht is getting ridiculous …now we have to endure hijacking of slogans,etc.
Steeler nation …man, I almost threw up
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Next thing you know they’re going to be talking about “Rams Nation”
I know Al is going ballistic
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
CWood reminds you of Chaz Schilens???
I don’t recall Chaz Schilens ever being named Rookie of the Year or making three consecutive Pro Bowls as a Raider. Yeah, he was dinged up his last couple of years here and one could question his desire at times, but if he reminds you of Chaz Schilens you obviously never saw the man play in Silver and Black.
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I’m speaking of the fact that some of the players we have have all the talent in the world but can’t seem to stay healthy. Charles Woodson dinged up the last couple of years? Maybe it is YOU who never saw him play in Silver & Black. Go back and count how many years Woodson actually played the entire season without missing games. I remember Woodson laying down and giving up on the Raiders. Also, Woodson didn’t deserve to go to the Pro Bowl as many times as he did with the Raiders. IMO Nnamdi didn’t deserve to go this year but he did. Look at the stats.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Yep, I hope that lights a fire under Al’s azzzzzzzzzzzz
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
rapist nation!!!!!!!!!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Man now I really hope Hue gets us in the big game and take it to those damn squeelers. The Raiders just have to reclaim our glory. Can’t put up with this crap any longer. At min 2 more SBs within the next 4 years, PLEASE. Get those SB trophies up just to put a stop to this steeler nation crap!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
screw charles woodson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Steelers lose to Green Bay ..print that!!!
Gawd damn that steeler nation crap cut deep
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:25 pm
If Davis would go somewhere and be quite, maybe they could go to the playoff’s, too.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Charles Woodson’s going to the Super Bowl!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
They can only claim nation status because of these ignorant fans don’t know who the real nation is. They are newbees and don’t know understand what the Raiders once were. But we’ll be back. We’ll be back. Hue will put an end to this sht.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Woodson declared his eligibility for the NFL Draft following his junior season at Michigan and was selected 4th overall in the 1st round of the 1998 Draft by the Oakland Raiders. After Woodson’s first season in the NFL he was named The NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. He started all sixteen games, becoming the first rookie Raider since 1971 to do so. Woodson had 64 tackles that season, leading the NFL for defensive backs. He was third in the league in interceptions with five and recorded one interception return for a touchdown as well as one forced fumble.[10] Woodson was named to his first Pro Bowl. In his second season in 1999, Woodson was selected to his second Pro Bowl and was named All-Pro by the Associated Press.[2]
In the 2000 NFL season, Woodson started all sixteen games of the season but suffered a turf toe injury, which prevented him from practicing.[11] He finished the year with a career high 79 tackles, intercepted four passes, forced three fumbles and recovered one fumble.[10] He was named to the All-Pro team by Sports Illustrated, and second-team honors from the Associated Press.[2] In his fourth year in the NFL, Woodson started sixteen games. This was the fourth consecutive year Woodson played in every game of the season. Woodson finished with two sacks, one interception, one forced fumble and one blocked field goal.[10] Woodson returned punts for the first time in the NFL, returning four punts for 47 yards. He was named to his fourth consecutive Pro Bowl. He made All-Pro teams of The Sporting News and College and Pro Football Newsweekly and the All-AFC squad of Football News.
Just sayin any body who says this man didnt do his job is a Hack!!! not untill his fourth or 5th season did he indure set backs and we parted ways..earl on he was the man
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
MR is M.I.A after telling me A Rogers would be beaten by J Cutler.
The end
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:30 pm
sign plex,he`s getting out of prison,good things happen to sport teams with no conscience,and everyone will love us,and we could commit penalty`s with no call from the ref.all we have to do is start being nice to the media.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
woodson tanked his last 2 years with the raiders.dranked,smoked and partyed.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
CWood was as good a pick as you could ask for, He just kinda got into partying at one point but WOW could he play. I’d take a focused CWood over Nnamdi in a heartbeat more physical and the best tackling corner since Rod Woodson.
M Lonetree
I’m glad someone else noticed that about KK, there is definitely something wrong there……..
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
# SuicideRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
CWood reminds you of Chaz Schilens???
I don’t recall Chaz Schilens ever being named Rookie of the Year or making three consecutive Pro Bowls as a Raider. Yeah, he was dinged up his last couple of years here and one could question his desire at times, but if he reminds you of Chaz Schilens you obviously never saw the man play in Silver and Black.
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I’m speaking of the fact that some of the players we have have all the talent in the world but can’t seem to stay healthy. Charles Woodson dinged up the last couple of years? Maybe it is YOU who never saw him play in Silver & Black. Go back and count how many years Woodson actually played the entire season without missing games. I remember Woodson laying down and giving up on the Raiders. Also, Woodson didn’t deserve to go to the Pro Bowl as many times as he did with the Raiders. IMO Nnamdi didn’t deserve to go this year but he did. Look at the stats.
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Woodson
88-89 16 games
99-00 16
00-01 16
01-02 16
02-03 8
03-04 15
04-05 13
05-06 6
There was only 2 years where he missed significant time.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Thats why KK is still on his jock.
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# bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
woodson tanked his last 2 years with the raiders.dranked,smoked and partyed.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
22,000 Season Ticket holders, and people are quibbling about Steeler Nation. Too funny.
All we get is talk, from Davis and his “people”
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
tj,
Did you just take the moral high ground over KK?
LMFAO!!!
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
And of course hypocrites & low lifes like you that dont buy game tickets or season tickets piss & moan about the number of season ticket holders & sellouts.
Stooge.
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# KoolKell Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
22,000 Season Ticket holders, and people are quibbling about Steeler Nation. Too funny.
All we get is talk, from Davis and his “people”
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:06 am
So I took the Bears +3.5 and under 44
And the Steelers -3 and over 39
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I’ll take 3 out of 4.
Not sure if the line is out yet, but I would put it at Steelers -4.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
#463- I stand extremely corrected. I think that the last years of his Raider career overshadowed what he did earlier. Just seemed that once he started to have injuries he had no desire to play as a Raider.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
I don’t think Bruce will be offered to come back (and I kind of hope he doesn’t), but I don’t agree that he “will be fighting for a roster spot”.
Anyone watch Todd Collins today? I think Bruce will easily find a #2 gig somewhere around the league and weasle his way into starting a game or two next year.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
452.TerrapinRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:14 pm
This sht is disgusting. Steeler Nation. WTF?
Why did we have to fall off? This sht is getting ridiculous …now we have to endure hijacking of slogans,etc.
Steeler nation …man, I almost threw up
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I don’t get being upset about the “nation” stuff. Nearly every team in every sport is using the “nation” thing.
Heck, I drove by a high school the other day and it said “Viking Nation”, and this is a small high school in a fairly small town.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Charles Woodson might be the greatest Raider I ever watched play.
Tim Brown was the consistant steady hand, and did some amazing things over the years. Have to give it to him on a lifetime achievement thing.
But C-Wood in his prime would lock up Tim Brown in his prime. No doubt in my mind.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
no desire to play because he was enjoying the night life too much.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
suicide Raider getting owned by the CWood facts.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
JFB,
Charles Woodson was a better wide receiver than DHB.
True.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Just heard that Mark Sanchez is the first QB in NFL history with 4 road postseason games with over a 100 QB rating.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Woodson needed a change of scenery nothing more nothing less. It happens to some players on occasion. Oakland wasn’t the best place for a guy who wasn’t 100% dedicated. GB is a perfect fit and the owner doesn’t meddle with the DC there.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Rodgers just made a good Bears D look silly for the first half (until he got his head dinged)
Ben and the Steelers run game making the Jets D look lame.
QB = #1 position in football. D-Coordinator = #2.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
if the people on this web sight knew charles woodson when he was with the raiders they would not be bragging on him.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
no desire to play because he was enjoying the night life too much.
i know i seen him on a rap dvd at a club called sweet jimmys
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
As Woodson and Moss showed, hard to be 100% dedicated when your owner isn’t, and when your talents are being wasted. Can’t say I blame either one for wanting out and flourishing again elsewhere.
Loved the Ravens D-coordinator’s “I already served my 2-year sentence in Oakland” line.
Al: I’m hiring you to help ME run this outdated defense, but if we fail I’m blaming and firing you.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
How about that Butte College Fighting Roadrunner pride from Aaron Rodgers today??
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:51 pm
I played baseball against Butte College. I remember a deer calmly walking behind the outfield fence during the game. Cool little place.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Why did it take the Jets 3 quarters to realize you have to spread out and pass against the Steelers? That’s what we’ll have to do next year against the Vikings, Jets, Dolphins, and Bears. Hope we have the horses for that.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:53 pm
steeler nation
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No such thing…Only one NATION in all the sports world…
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Of course none of us are a smart as MR, he is pure genius, ranks up there with KK & tj, no doubt.
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
MB, you and every other girl in the country in love with Rogers are going to be very upset next week.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
The Raider “nation” averaged about 35,000 people for home games last year. Sad days.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
272.SnB Production Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:46 pm
268.J Hill Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I’ll take Huff, Bush, and the change on the OL for the 17 million or anything close to that it would have taken to have Nnamdi here. If Nnamdi wants to take the change left over from Huff and Bush, then I’d love to have him.
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Jhill, sounds good in theory until we are all throwing up profanity filled posts and yelling at the tv at yet another long 3rd and forever completion.
Nnamdi does something that is special. He shuts down an entire side of the field.
If the Raiders continue running the man2man as much as they do…they need BAUCE cornerbacks.
Look at when the Raiders defensive scheme has worked well….its been with very good to dominant cornerbacks that can play that man2man with no help.
You get rid of Nnamdi, without adjusting scheme, and the pass defense will become the achilles heel that the run defense has been
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And what did that get us for 7 years? 5 freaking wins and 11 freaking losses in our BEST years. He doesn’t tackle, he doesn’t force fumbles. He is great for what he does which is an ability to cover receivers like a blanket, but DOES NOT MAKE TACKLES PERIOD.
5 wins for seven years? How much worse do we do with out him?
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
see how big ben got it done that could have been our 2010 #7 pick wtf al we could of got ieye poker brandon spikes
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 pm
LOL….I played baseball FOR Butte College (00-01).
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 pm
later i the draft
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Owned by the fact that he quit on his team and decided there were more important things in his life than staying focused and playing for his team. That BS. As far as the Tim Brown comments, there is no, I repeat NO comparison between the two. Tim Brown is a TOTAL class act. I speak from a personal experience with Tim in Dallas. Too bad more players in the league aren’t like him. HE deserves respect from every Raider fan on the planet.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 pm
no wonder I liked your posts JFB. I played for Shasta College in ‘99. Just missed ya.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:59 pm
I was wrong about Rodgers, right about Steelers edging out Jets, which is exactly the phrase I used. I didn’t know the Bears’ offense sucked that bad. They play offense like a last place team. I still think the Jets jinxed themselves by not talking as much smack this week. It’s their charm. It’s worked all of this time. Suddenly they go humble and lose.
Anyhow, MB, Steelers over Packers. And that’s not hyperbolic. Green Bay had trouble putting the Bears away and the Bears offense just stunk. Steelers had trouble putting the Jets away but the Jets are much better than the Bears. Pittsburgh wins next week by 2 scores. I’m saying it. Aaron Rodgers is an overrated media darling, like Brady.
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:59 pm
What happened?
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 16th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Chi beats Green Bay. Green Bay’s too west coast-ish and good defenses always stifle WCO teams.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Suicide, you’ve never, ever taken it easy for a day or two at a job where your owner was wacky and you were looking to leave asap? Never?
Tim Brown was great, but he also bad-mouthed every coach on the way out, after whining about him behind his back in the locker room.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
22,000 Season Ticket holders
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Yikes. That’s bad.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:02 pm
I already said I was wrong, MB. I won’t be next week, though. Rodgers isn’t good enough to be Pittsburgh.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:02 pm
“beat pittsburgh”
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
And, instead of “next week”, I should have said “in two weeks”. MB will call out anything to win an argument.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
What makes Rodgers over-rated? He ISN’T one of the top 5 QBs in the league? Why not?
Rodgers WORST season – 64% completion, 4,000 yards, 28 Tds, 13 Ints.
Ok.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Shasta……..beautiful place.
I use to feel sorry for their football team when they played Butte.
We had Aaron Rodgers and Junior Saivii(played some NT with Dallas the last few years) one year and I think we won something like 70-0 one time against you guys.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Is it really “official” yet that Saunders is our OC?
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Just the facts…
I dont even have to twist others words to win like you do!
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
And, instead of “next week”, I should have said “in two weeks”. MB will call out anything to win an argument.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Alex, you’re not noticing the media’s Brady-like love affair with Rodgers?
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Al outlived Jack!
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Just trying to save you time, MB. I know how you like to call out any old typo to make yourself seem smarter than the person you’re arguing with.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 pm
[...] McDonald of the Oakland Tribune pointed out that Tommy Kelly and Matt Shaughnessy are the likely candidates to struggle in a 3-4 [...]
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Charles Woodson also ruined a pretty good corner in Phillip Buchannon. It was about the time Woodson started to turn gangster and led the young rookie down the same path. PB got carried away and let his mouth and poor play run himself out of town. He was trying to mimic Woodson in his attitude and it didn’t bode well for him. At one time when we had Napoleon Kaufman, I remember we had the BEST secondary period. Woodson and his ego pretty much dismantled on his own. Woodson is a great player now and hew was great in the beginning. In the middle of his career he pretty much gave up and quit in the Raiders. Go ahead and blame Al as most do about everything.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Just seemed that once he started to have injuries he had no desire to play as a Raider********
Yes that sounds about right but man his great four year run should over shadow that. But as some one mentioned above it wasnt untill he went to GB he truly flourished…We play way to much man he is great zone and bliting and ball hawking his stats balloned and he looked great. Didnt mean to get defensive but c.wood was one of my fav’s I still remember the “pose” at Mich after that TD Damnn he is good!
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 pm
WOW!!!!!
Packers are 1.5 point favorites.
That is crazy to me. I’m going to pound the Steelers.
Wonder if that line is factoring in Pouncey not playing.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Media has to sell advertisements. Doesn’t make Rodgers over-rated. If they were saying he was the best ever, then ok.
But for a 4th year guy, he’s doing the things that Brady and Manning did early in their careers – winning games, getting to the playoffs, now getting deep in the playoffs, doing it with sub-par running games and average D’s.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Raiders were 3 point favorites against Bucs in SB 37.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
What does Pittsburgh have that I don’t have? Huh? The Raidahs are the team of the decades, not Pittsburgh. I wanna be like Pittsburgh. Go Packers.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
4 teams played for the chance to go to the Superbowl today and Nnamdi Asomougha didn’t play for any of them. They all did it without him and so will we. One player doesn’t make a whole team. It isn’t the end of the world.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Suicide,
didn’t PB go to U of Miami and show up to his FIRST NFL camp in some gaudy earrings and fur?
Not sure Woodson had much to do with PBuc’s attitude.
Also, PBuc similarly did better once he left Oakland and was placed in a better Tampa D scheme where he could do more.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Oh, ok, only if the media says Rodgers is the best ever, then they’re overrating him. I mean, as long as they just say he’s the best QB of the past 20 years…
Dude, you and them are drinking some serious kool aid on Rodgers. He’s not that good. The Steelers are going to pop his cherry.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:13 pm
if mike tomlin wins a second superbowl he has to be in the top elite coaches in the league.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Well, the Jets did it with Revis. The Steelers with Troy. The Packers with Woodson and Tramon Williams. Bears did it with Urlacher.
You kinda need SOMEONE big-time on D.
Why get rid of your best?
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
I hate the Pittsburgh Steelers. So much for parity. I hope Dom Capers stops that horrible running back Mendenhall. The Jets were effing pathetic in the 1st half.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
I rarely bring up typos, sometimes with tj its unavoidable but you keep throwing anything against the wall eventually something might stick.
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Just trying to save you time, MB. I know how you like to call out any old typo to make yourself seem smarter than the person you’re arguing with.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Rodgers qb’d his team to the big show. So did Big Ben. Mine didn’t. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Good eve NATION.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
What a joke that Rooney Rule is. They’re about to wrap up their second Super Bowl with a coach hired to promote that rule.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Alex, you’re not noticing the media’s Brady-like love affair with Rodgers?
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comeon, a loveafair? Rodgers hasnt been elected to the PB, but cassel and Ryan have..
Rodgers waspretty much ignored most of the season, if there is any love now, its only because he dismantled falcons and Brady and sanchez is out..
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:16 pm
I just speak the truth, MB, and a lot of people can’t help but to retort and spin in response. That goes for sports and politics, btw.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
518.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Raiders were 3 point favorites against Bucs in SB 37.
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And then our center disappeared. The Packers have 2 weeks to expose that fraud of an offensive line for the Steelers. Packers will win; at least I hope like heck they do.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
RMR,
I guess I would need to know how good you think Rodgers is.
I said up there top-5 in the NFL. What would make him worse than that?
Brady, Manning, Ben, Brees, Rodgers.
Who else would you put up there? Rivers? Shaub
Seems legit to me.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Parity doesn’t work for team with stability and good ownership. Good football management and consistant coaching and a good gm dont need parity
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
516.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 pm
WOW!!!!!
Packers are 1.5 point favorites.
That is crazy to me. I’m going to pound the Steelers.
Wonder if that line is factoring in Pouncey not playing.
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Yeah, he is a really good C. Big loss if he can’t go. He back-up didn’t look bad, but he aint Pouncey.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Don’t get me wrong! I absolutely thought Woodson was the best corner period.
Alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Suicide, you’ve never, ever taken it easy for a day or two at a job where your owner was wacky and you were looking to leave asap? Never?
Tim Brown was great, but he also bad-mouthed every coach on the way out, after whining about him behind his back in the locker room.
I have taken it easy. I was never paid millions though to play a game. Al Davis isn on the field during the games. The blame Al Davis game gets old and has no merit. His team is on the field. If you won’t play for your teammates atleast play for the millions!
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:18 pm
beach Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
518.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Raiders were 3 point favorites against Bucs in SB 37.
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And then our center disappeared.
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YEAH! Robbins was the difference! LMFAO
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
529.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
What a joke that Rooney Rule is. They’re about to wrap up their second Super Bowl with a coach hired to promote that rule.
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Wasn’t Tomlin the second colored coach to interview the year he was hired?
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
What a joke that Rooney Rule is. They’re about to wrap up their second Super Bowl with a coach hired to promote that rule.
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its from 2003, Cowher resigned in 2007 after the ‘06 season..
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
The Patriots QB shredded the Steelers.
Mark Sanchez, once the Jets realized 3 quarters late that you need to throw on the Steelers, passed well against Pittsburgh.
Steeler weakness = pass D.
Packers strength = passing.
No reason Steelers would shut down Rodgers.
How the rest of the game plays out is anyone’s guess. But to think Rodgers will struggle against the Steelers makes no sense.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Alex, you said the media would be overrating Rodgers if they said he was the best QB ever, as if them saying anything short of that is acceptable. Like, they can say he’s the best QB of the past 20 years, and it’s arguable. That’s the impression you give with that point.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:20 pm
beach Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
518.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Raiders were 3 point favorites against Bucs in SB 37.
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And then our center disappeared.
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Yep Adam True threw 5 picks.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:20 pm
rofl
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:16 pm
I just speak the truth, MB,
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 pm
524.alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Well, the Jets did it with Revis. The Steelers with Troy. The Packers with Woodson and Tramon Williams. Bears did it with Urlacher.
You kinda need SOMEONE big-time on D.
Why get rid of your best?
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Were gonna do it with Sam Williams.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Deion Sanders ruined Phillip Buchanan
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Wasn’t Gannon’s fault either, Raccoon. Without Gannon the Raiders are watching that game from home with the rest of the league.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Suicide, exactly, it’s a game.
In Oakland between 2003 and 2009, the GAME was no fun.
What’s there to enjoy when your coaches are over-matched and your team is unprepared?
Motivation is a very real thing. Hard to be 100% motivated when you’re getting pounded, out-coached, and embarrassed. When your calls are being called by a guy who was running a bed-and-breakfast 8 months ago. When your D-coordinator isn’t allowed to run the D he wants.
Hard to get 100% motivation and effort week to week from humans in that environment. Money be danged.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
546.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Wasn’t Gannon’s fault either, Raccoon. Without Gannon the Raiders are watching that game from home with the rest of the league.
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I agree 100 %.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
The Patriots QB shredded the Steelers.
Mark Sanchez, once the Jets realized 3 quarters late that you need to throw on the Steelers, passed well against Pittsburgh.
Steeler weakness = pass D.
Packers strength = passing.
No reason Steelers would shut down Rodgers.
How the rest of the game plays out is anyone’s guess. But to think Rodgers will struggle against the Steelers makes no sense.
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well to me it seem you get at this from the wrong angle…
whats important in this SB is,
Steelers ability to run and packers ability to stop it..
btw it seemed to me, Steelers D was pretty good stopping the pass most of the game
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Deion Sanders ruined Phillip Buchanan
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What on earth does that mean?
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Dang RMR, you’re rough. I made that comment as ONE example of what would truly be over-rating the guy. Not the ONLY example.
And I made my simple point. He’s a top-5 QB. I’ll admit maybe you’ve heard more from the media than me. Are they saying much more than he’s one of the best QBs in football? Which he is.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Alex7,
I believe that PB had somewhat of an attitude when we took him but he basically thought he was better than he actually was. That particular defense at the time got too cocky and let it go to their heads and blew it. That was about the time Woodson seemed to lose interest.
Good debate! I was wrong on some points but believe that some of the things I have mentioned are accurate.
Good night all in THE “Nation”!
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
536.SuicideRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Don’t get me wrong! I absolutely thought Woodson was the best corner period.
Alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Suicide, you’ve never, ever taken it easy for a day or two at a job where your owner was wacky and you were looking to leave asap? Never?
Tim Brown was great, but he also bad-mouthed every coach on the way out, after whining about him behind his back in the locker room.
I have taken it easy. I was never paid millions though to play a game. Al Davis isn on the field during the games. The blame Al Davis game gets old and has no merit. His team is on the field. If you won’t play for your teammates atleast play for the millions!
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between the years 2003-2005 i saw woodson at night clubs drinking during the week and nights before games with several players.the attitude of the team got real bad after the superbowl lost.i give cable credit for the change in attitude but that`s about it.but woodson`s behavior opened my eyes on the sports world.that`s why jay cutler lost today to much drinking.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
545.priesttj Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Deion Sanders ruined Phillip Buchanan
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sorry c.wood ruined phillip buchanan.
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Well, the Jets did it with Revis. The Steelers with Troy. The Packers with Woodson and Tramon Williams. Bears did it with Urlacher.
You kinda need SOMEONE big-time on D.
Why get rid of your best
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Raider fan always over rates the plodding talent and discounts starts that don’t appear to be “all-in”
Nnamdi is either #1 or #2 in the league and is recognized by opposing players and media as the best in the business.
But Raider fan thinks CJ and Routt or a green Walter McFadden will be able to just slide right in.
Just like Raider fan thought the run defense could get it done with guys like Warren, Sands and other no-names.
Most winning teams have some dominant players…not just average to below average players with a great attitude
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Wasn’t Gannon’s fault either, Raccoon. Without Gannon the Raiders are watching that game from home with the rest of the league.
argggh! what is the world coming too, this is the second time, in two nights in a row even I’m having to be agreeing with RMR!
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:23 pm
pending who/how other teams of course:
there are nine positions that will have at least the top 4 drafted:
QB, T, G, WR, DE, DT, OLB, S, CB
three will have top 3 drafted:
RB, C, MLB
one position that will have only 2 drafted: TE
(not expecting a P or K drafted in top 50)
thats 47 picks before we draft at #48
Raiders do not have to move up toofar anyway to get a top OT,CB,DL this year as after the top ten picks, mock drafts have the next 22 players up and down, in n out,
Raiders have a great shot at getting:
CBs J Smith, Colo or others ranked 3-5
Cs Wisnewski, Penn St or Hudson, FSU
Austin, DT, UNC
OTs Gilbert, Sherrod, Carpenter, (Smith of USC they would have to move up to get)
LBs Jones, Rolle, Irving, Foster
or either of the two premier RBs out of Oregon or Oregon St
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
FYI
as most of us know (yes I had to look some of this up)
Aaron Rogers was the 24th pick of the 2005 NFL draft;
Raiders drafting 23rd selected Mr. Fabian Washington;
the 26th pick was…guess who?
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
oops I meant 25th pick
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
priesttj Says:
January 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
CWood was as good a pick as you could ask for, He just kinda got into partying at one point but WOW could he play. I’d take a focused CWood over Nnamdi in a heartbeat more physical and the best tackling corner since Rod Woodson.
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100% in agreement!
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Karma will hit the Steelers in 2 weeks. Rodgers is a winner and has the defense to back him up. Says here it will be a 31-21 Packer victory in the Super Bowl!
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