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Raider presence slim for Super Bowl

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, January 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Not a lot of Raiders’ presence for Super Bowl XLV when the Pittsburgh Steelers meet the Green Bay Packers in an appealing pre-lockout finale.

The only player for Raider Nation to have a vicarious attachment to is Green Bay cornerback Charles Woodson, a very good player with the Raiders who became a great one with the Packers.

Other than that, zero. The argument that NFL teams happily snap up the leftovers because the Raiders’ eye for talent will be one to keep quiet about with regard to the Super Bowl.

The Steelers have no one on the roster who played for the Raiders, although cornerback Bryant McFadden is at least the older brother of rookie cornerback Walter McFadden.

Strength coach Garrett Giemont worked for the Raiders from 1995 through 2002 before joining Jon Gruden and Bruce Allen with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers through 2006 and moving on to Pittsburgh in 2007.

Two Green Bay assistant coaches have Raiders connections _ assistant head coach and linebackers coach Winston Moss, who played for the L.A Raiders from 1991 through 1994, and Darren Perry, a defensive backs coach in 2007 and 2008.

Since Moss has interviewed with Al Davis before, and has gone on record as having great reverence for the Raiders’ owner, his name has naturally come up with regard to the defensive coordinator vacancy. Green Bay’s presence in the Super Bowl means the Raiders will be waiting until Feb. 6 before being able to hire Moss, although there is plenty of back-channel opportunities between now and then to size things up.

Championship weekend observations:

– The Raiders were already beginning the process of parting with Tom Cable by the time the Raiders played the Steelers on Nov. 21, as his every-other-week paychecks were being docked $20,000. But any chance Cable had of returning probably evaporated when the Raiders returned from their bye with a head of steam and a 5-4 record and got whacked 35-3 with two weeks to prepare for a game in Pittsburgh.

That led to Cable benching Jason Campbell in favor of Bruce Gradkowski the following week against Miami, and, well, you know the rest.

So the AFC champions had a role in shaping the 2011 Raiders.

– I’ve never been a big Jay Cutler fan. Struck me as being the life of the party in good times and a spoiled brat in bad ones. A guy you’d never look to in an important game or situation.

That said, judging the severity of an NFL injury from the safety of your computer screen or couch is beyond ridiculous. If you’ve ever stood along the sideline of an actual NFL game, and been that close to the violence that ensues with every snap, it would be hard to fault anyone who actually set foot that arena.

And for players to do it on their Twitter accounts, knowing what they know about injuries and the NFL, attests to the problem of instant media. They talk before they think.

– I got the Super Bowl half right, which is better than usual. I had New England vs. Green Bay in my column setting up the playoffs. Leaning toward Pittsburgh as the winner, but I’ve got awhile to make up my mind and put in print, as I’m still hearing about last year when I assured everyone Indianapolis would beat New Orleans.

– Have to give Ben Roethlisberger credit, along with head coach Mike Tomlin and offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, for the way the Steelers closed out the game with two key third-down conversions on pass plays. If those passes fall incomplete, Pittsburgh is getting crucified by every “game management” critic in the mainland United States and beyond.

Instead, it led to Rex Ryan throwing his headset to the ground in frustration.

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  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Im not sold on veldeheer at left tackle, he gave up 11 sacks in 10 games, that was worse than hendersons 9.5 sacks in 16 games 2009

  • RaiderRockstar

    with Hue Jackson heading in 2011 it looks like the Raider Nation is forced to assume the following:

    -Michael Bush, Marcel Reece & Zach Miller are locks to be re-signed on offense.

    -We aren’t worried about the following defensive players being free agents, because we’ll either re-sign them all or upgrade in the draft or free agency: Richard Seymour, John Henderson, Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, Michael Huff & Nnamdi Asomugha

    -Hue Jackson will milk some production out of Darrius Heyward-Bey or bring in Chad OchoCinco to replace him in the starting line-up

    -All of the zbs clowns that Cable brought in who could run block, but couldn’t pass protect or stay penalty free will be UPGRADED and the running game won’t take a dive. The passing game will be much improved, despite the same guys at QB & WR

    -Chaz Schilens will stay healthy and Murphy wont drop so many balls

    -Hue Jackson wont bench Jason Campbell 3 times for an injury prone guy with half the talent

    -Whoever Hue Jax chooses to replace Paul Hackett & Jim Michalczik on Offense will be significant upgrades

    -Whoever Hue Jax chooses to replace John Marshall & Mike Haluchak on Defense will be significant upgrades

    -We will win more than 8 games in 2011

    Anything I missed ???

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    451.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
    Im not sold on veldeheer at left tackle, he gave up 11 sacks in 10 games, that was worse than hendersons 9.5 sacks in 16 games 2009
    +++++++++

    Plus a ton of penalties.

    He needs to improve dramatically before he is pronounced the LT of the future.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    446.SilverNBlackPA Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
    Am I alone in thinking the offensive line is pretty much settled outside of left guard?

    Veldheer-?????-Satele-Campbell-Henderson

    I can’t see it falling out much different. Satele has a good thing working here. Al wants to see Campbell and Henderson play. Veldheer is intrenched.

    Gallery staying or going is the only question mark….trade up for Mike Pouncey!

    *************************************

    I’d take Wisniewski over Pouncy. Dont like Henderson @ rt. We don’t know if Campbell can even play G in the NFL.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…) Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
    2- Stephen Wisniewski (OG/C Penn State)
    3- Pat Devlin (QB Delaware) / Colin Kaepernick (QB Nevada)
    4- Davon House (CB New Mexico State)
    5- Marcus Gilbert (OT[R] Florida)
    7- D.J. Holt (ILB Cal)

    & Sign Ochocinco in free agency. Holt allows us to experiement more with 3-4 (though we’d still need a true NT) and provides depth. Gilbert is a RT with experience at G. House is a tall cover corner with ball skills. We need a QB to develop and these are two good options in the 3rd round (hopefully). I’m inclined to prefer Kaepernick. And I like Wisneiwski to help our Oline this year at either G or C (probably C).

    Thoughts?

    ================================================

    I cant see wasting our 2nd pick on a qb that has no shot of ever being an nfl starter. Qb class is terrible outside of newton. We need to use our picks on the o line lb and secondary.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
    Im not sold on veldeheer at left tackle, he gave up 11 sacks in 10 games, that was worse than hendersons 9.5 sacks in 16 games 2009

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Where’d you get those numbers? Not doubting you, just been looking for a site that provides that kind of data.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    453.Dakota Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:46 am
    451.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
    Im not sold on veldeheer at left tackle, he gave up 11 sacks in 10 games, that was worse than hendersons 9.5 sacks in 16 games 2009
    +++++++++

    Plus a ton of penalties.

    He needs to improve dramatically before he is pronounced the LT of the future.

    *******************

    Yep. The O-line is far form settled. We need to draft 2 more this year.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Dont like Henderson @ rt. We don’t know if Campbell can even play G in the NFL.

    +++++++++++++++

    Not about what we want. Al wants Henderson at RT and Campbell at RG.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    I actually thougth veldeheer was good at right tackle in the preseason when he lined up next to b campbell.

    Satele cant be our starting center, he doesnt fit the power running scheme. he is a zone guy, we wont be doing that bs anymore ( thank god).

    That loser cable is gone, and all of his pets need to go with him

  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:47 am
    RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…) Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
    2- Stephen Wisniewski (OG/C Penn State)
    3- Pat Devlin (QB Delaware) / Colin Kaepernick (QB Nevada)
    4- Davon House (CB New Mexico State)
    5- Marcus Gilbert (OT[R] Florida)
    7- D.J. Holt (ILB Cal)

    & Sign Ochocinco in free agency. Holt allows us to experiement more with 3-4 (though we’d still need a true NT) and provides depth. Gilbert is a RT with experience at G. House is a tall cover corner with ball skills. We need a QB to develop and these are two good options in the 3rd round (hopefully). I’m inclined to prefer Kaepernick. And I like Wisneiwski to help our Oline this year at either G or C (probably C).

    Thoughts?

    ================================================

    I cant see wasting our 2nd pick on a qb that has no shot of ever being an nfl starter. Qb class is terrible outside of newton. We need to use our picks on the o line lb and secondary.

    *********************

    I see your point, not sure I agree. Who would you take in round three then? Thoughts on the rest of my wish list?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Not about what we want. Al wants Henderson at RT and Campbell at RG

    ***

    Agreed with PA!

    Unfortunately …

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    I see your point, not sure I agree. Who would you take in round three then? Thoughts on the rest of my wish list?

    ===================================================
    OLB akeem ayers ucla, or herzlick from bc

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    Lol Rockstar,

    Almost all of those supposed “issues” would be the same had anyone been named Raiders HC. Of course there are a ton of questions going into 2011…the same things would be issues if Lombardi himself had been resurrected to coach the team.

    We have free agents? OMG!

    We don’t have a great QB? OMG!

    We are replacing garbage coaches like Marshall? OMG!

    I don’t see anything on your list that scares me.

    But then again, I don’t expect them to win playoff games next year. The schedule is much more difficult than last year, and we are not going undefeated in the AFC West again, no matter who our HC is. But maybe Hue will be the guy we can build on for the future. Cable had no future.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    I definitely see Al drafting Rashard Carmichael, CB out of Vtech. Alot of scouts are predicting him to have the fastest 40-time at the combine, nuff said. He is looking like a 3rd rounder, if he does in fact run well.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    458.SilverNBlackPA Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 9:48 am
    Dont like Henderson @ rt. We don’t know if Campbell can even play G in the NFL.

    +++++++++++++++

    Not about what we want. Al wants Henderson at RT and Campbell at RG.

    ****************

    Not sure Al wants Hendo on the Right.

  • LA to TheBay

    I think you’re in for a pleasant surprise, RRS (assuming there’s football next year).

  • raiderinpa

    Not sure how I feel about Gallery, would like him to stay at a reasonable price.. If his price is too high, bring in a PROVEN guard.

    IMO Campbell should have had some playing time to get a feel as to where he is in his development.. There was no hesitating in throwing Veldheer to the lions…

    Give Veldheer a shot at LT maybe move over to the right to replace Henderson / Walker.. neither of which I hope are in a starting role this year…

    Would love to see Wisnewski come in, but dont count on him being around in the second round… His uncle was as solid as they come…

    We NEED another stellar draft like last year’s!…

  • RaiderRockstar

    I don’t expect them to win playoff games next year. The schedule is much more difficult than last year, and we are not going undefeated in the AFC West again, no matter who our HC is. But maybe Hue will be the guy we can build on for the future. Cable had no future

    ***

    Lakota,

    Regardless of the schedule, any less than 8 wins is a step backwards. A step in the WRONG direction

    8 wins = might as well keep the doofus O-Line coach in Seattle

  • Raider 510

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/23682/no-burn-zone-in-oakland

    Oakland’s CB stats this year. Sure didn’t seem they were playing this way, but it makes sense when I think about a quote I believe Brian Billick said on NFL Network, something like “It’s not how many great plays you make, it’s about not giving up too many bad ones.”

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    The fat monkey wife beatin ho hittin nympho is a great zbs line coach…

    Hue does need to go 10-6 or better to save his azz and prove he is a real hc.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    468.RaiderRockstar Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:04 am
    I don’t expect them to win playoff games next year. The schedule is much more difficult than last year, and we are not going undefeated in the AFC West again, no matter who our HC is. But maybe Hue will be the guy we can build on for the future. Cable had no future

    ***

    Lakota,

    Regardless of the schedule, any less than 8 wins is a step backwards. A step in the WRONG direction

    8 wins = might as well keep the doofus O-Line coach in Seattle

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Very simplistic view IMO. Everything was set in our favor last year and the best we could do under Cable was 8-8. This upcoming year, with Cable and a more difficult schedule = 5-11 at best. There are more factors at play than just the win-loss column. We could be an all around better team next year and go 7-9 simply because we are not going to win every AFC game again, that only happens about once every 35 years, and because we play the NFC North instead of the NFC West next year…you know, the division that had the two best NFC teams in it this past season….

    …judging Hue to be the wrong move if our record isn’t 9-7 or better next year is simple ignorance….just like people who were throwing McFadden under the bus before Hue arrived on the scene.

  • RaiderRockstar

    This upcoming year, with Cable and a more difficult schedule = 5-11 at best. There are more factors at play than just the win-loss column.

    judging Hue to be the wrong move if our record isn’t 9-7 or better next year is simple ignorance

    ***

    Al Davis cares about win & losses. PERIOD

    true or false ???

  • M Lonetree

    what y’all whining ’bout “tough schedule”?
    if ya wanna sit at the big boy’s table, since there are a limited number of chairs, you have to grow a pair and be willing to toss somebody out on their a$$ in order to get seated.

  • noteasilyimpressed

    Green Bay said they weren’t letting Aaron Rodgers leave for any trade…don’t know where some of you got your info from.

  • LA to TheBay

    With the turnover in the NFL every year, it may not be the nightmare schedule some expect. Several of those teams are going to be good and we just know that.

    Some we expect to be good/improved and maybe they won’t. Some teams go backwards. Hopefully it’s not us. We just need to learn how to hold a lead and finish a team off.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    472.RaiderRockstar Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
    This upcoming year, with Cable and a more difficult schedule = 5-11 at best. There are more factors at play than just the win-loss column.

    judging Hue to be the wrong move if our record isn’t 9-7 or better next year is simple ignorance

    ***

    Al Davis cares about win & losses. PERIOD

    true or false ???

    +++++++++++++++++

    Yeah, Al cares about wins and losses….but was Cable fired after going 4-8 or 5-11 his first two years?

    Hue isn’t getting fired if he doesn’t win more than 8 games next year.

    Jeezuz dude, get a grip.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    BURN PERCENTAGE
    Player Team Targets Completions Yards TDs Burn pct. Pass def.
    1. Darrelle Revis Jets 56 19 340 4 33.9 10
    2. Terrence McGee Bills 21 8 88 1 38.1 2
    3. Stanford Routt Raiders 99 39 635 5 39.4 13
    3. Nnamdi Asomugha Raiders 33 13 205 0 39.4 6
    5. Brandon Carr Chiefs 108 43 758 6 39.8 25
    6. Chris Johnson Raiders 42 17 288 3 40.5 9

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    473.M Lonetree Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:14 am
    what y’all whining ’bout “tough schedule”?
    if ya wanna sit at the big boy’s table, since there are a limited number of chairs, you have to grow a pair and be willing to toss somebody out on their a$$ in order to get seated.

    ***********************

    Nice M. Agreed.!

  • M Lonetree

    perhaps one of you labor attorneys in here can explain the CBA negotiations to me.
    yes, the issues of rookie caps and 18 games and bigger slices of pie for vets and retirees, less overall pct of revenue for the players etc. appear clear enough.
    but, didn’t the players on each team vote unanimously to decertify the player’s union in order to be able to take grievances before Congress?
    so, exactly who is Demaurice Smith and who does he represent?
    please explain.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    476.Dakota Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
    472.RaiderRockstar Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
    This upcoming year, with Cable and a more difficult schedule = 5-11 at best. There are more factors at play than just the win-loss column.

    judging Hue to be the wrong move if our record isn’t 9-7 or better next year is simple ignorance

    ***

    Al Davis cares about win & losses. PERIOD

    true or false ???

    +++++++++++++++++

    Yeah, Al cares about wins and losses….but was Cable fired after going 4-8 or 5-11 his first two years?

    Hue isn’t getting fired if he doesn’t win more than 8 games next year.

    Jeezuz dude, get a grip.

    ***********************

    Have you met Al Davis? Do yo watch the Raiders?

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    477.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
    BURN PERCENTAGE
    Player Team Targets Completions Yards TDs Burn pct. Pass def.
    1. Darrelle Revis Jets 56 19 340 4 33.9 10
    2. Terrence McGee Bills 21 8 88 1 38.1 2
    3. Stanford Routt Raiders 99 39 635 5 39.4 13
    3. Nnamdi Asomugha Raiders 33 13 205 0 39.4 6
    5. Brandon Carr Chiefs 108 43 758 6 39.8 25
    6. Chris Johnson Raiders 42 17 288 3 40.5 9

    ****************

    We had/have 3 CB’s in the same group as Revis.

  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
    BURN PERCENTAGE
    Player Team Targets Completions Yards TDs Burn pct. Pass def.
    1. Darrelle Revis Jets 56 19 340 4 33.9 10
    2. Terrence McGee Bills 21 8 88 1 38.1 2
    3. Stanford Routt Raiders 99 39 635 5 39.4 13
    3. Nnamdi Asomugha Raiders 33 13 205 0 39.4 6
    5. Brandon Carr Chiefs 108 43 758 6 39.8 25
    6. Chris Johnson Raiders 42 17 288 3 40.5 9

    ****************************

    Source Link:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/23682/no-burn-zone-in-oakland

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    Is a combo of Hue Jackson, Al Saunder and DC X better than a combo of Tom Cable, Hue Jackson and Marshall?

    Pretty much put any DC’s name in there and I guarantee the team will be better coached next year. Hue is clearly more intelligent than Tom Cable, and is a guy that can get the players motivated….which Cable could not do. Saunders is a better OC than Hue, so that is an upgrade too. Now we just have to find a DC who can somehow do better than the bottom 3rd against the run and you have improved the three most important coaching positions on the team.

    Does that guarantee more victories? No. Schedule is different, players will be different. But I would certainly put my money on this new crew over a coaching staff that included such garbage POS coaches like Tom Cable and Marshall.

    Get rid of Lal, Fassel and Roll and now we are really talking about progress.

  • M Lonetree

    that link above to burn pct goes a long way to demonstrating just how many people on this site know so little of which they opine.
    all of the “Routt is terrible”, and “Nnamdi is overrated”, and “Johnson stinks” comments are shown for what they are, foolish and wrong.

    too bad Williamson didn’t show the other end of the list, the maximum burn pct. as well.

  • ohioraider

    397.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 7:40 am
    I also think it’s really interesting that the steelers play the same brand of football since the knoll era & people on this board say nothing. A few minor tweaks on offense but still pressure qb stuff the run on defense. Run first offense qb 20 -25 throws a game.
    Noone says it’s out dated.

    When al Davis sticks to his formula peope say it’s 70’s football. Check yourselves impostors, 70’s football still works. Now the hated steelers are on their way to yet another bowl appearance.

    Comical
    ————————————————-
    OK, for the moment let’s give you the benefit of the doubt (except of course the Raiders’ run defense has been atrocious for years). Why, then, aren’t the Raiders as successful as the Steelers? They were well-matched, dominant franchises in the 70s, so what happened?

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    484.M Lonetree Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am
    that link above to burn pct goes a long way to demonstrating just how many people on this site know so little of which they opine.
    all of the “Routt is terrible”, and “Nnamdi is overrated”, and “Johnson stinks” comments are shown for what they are, foolish and wrong.

    ++++++++++

    Yeah, those guy were almost as foolish and wrong as the Darren McFadden haters….

  • Raider 510

    481.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
    477.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
    BURN PERCENTAGE
    Player Team Targets Completions Yards TDs Burn pct. Pass def.
    1. Darrelle Revis Jets 56 19 340 4 33.9 10
    2. Terrence McGee Bills 21 8 88 1 38.1 2
    3. Stanford Routt Raiders 99 39 635 5 39.4 13
    3. Nnamdi Asomugha Raiders 33 13 205 0 39.4 6
    5. Brandon Carr Chiefs 108 43 758 6 39.8 25
    6. Chris Johnson Raiders 42 17 288 3 40.5 9

    ****************

    We had/have 3 CB’s in the same group as Revis.

    ****************
    Not true, Revis covers the opponents #1 receiver. Routt and Johnson cover 2nd a 3rd options.

  • Raider 510

    But in plain English it shows Nnamdi giving up 0 Td’s this year. Impressive.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Al cares about wins and losses….but was Cable fired after going 4-8 or 5-11 his first two years?

    Hue isn’t getting fired if he doesn’t win more than 8 games next year.

    ***

    Dakota,

    Bill Callahan was fired for going 4-12 a year after going 13-6 (Super Bowl!)

    Norv Turner won 9 games in 2 years – FIRED

    Art Shell 2 wins in 1 year – FIRED

    Lane Kiffin won 5/20 games – FIRED

    Tom Cable won 8/28 games in 2 years … retained for a 3rd season to go 8-8 = FIRED

    How long do you think Hue Jackson’s leash is ???

  • YoungAmerican

    You can prove just about anything with statistics.

    People were all over Branch for giving up 8 TDs this season. Routt gave up 5.

    How many third-down conversions did he give up? How many times did he get called for pass interference? How many tackles did he fail to make?

    If John Marshall gets unending grief for the five-safety set against Jacksonville, why doesn’t Routt get the same for leaving Dwayne Bowe completely uncovered in the first KC game? You’re in man coverage 90% of the time! How do you let your only assignment run unimpeded into the end zone?

    Routt improved dramatically this season, and would be a starting CB for most teams. But for the way the Raiders want to play defense, he’s a less than ideal fit.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    Alright Rockstar…Hue goes 7-9 or 8-8 next year you are on record that Al will fire him.

    Marked it down.

    Guess we might see.

  • DutchRaider77

    ****************
    Not true, Revis covers the opponents #1 receiver. Routt and Johnson cover 2nd a 3rd options.

    _______________________________________________________

    Revis doesn’t always cover the team’s #1 receiver. The Jets/Pats game they stuck Revis on Branch and doubled Welker. The previous game they put Revis on Welker and he had problems in traffic staying with Welker (too many bodies). Kinda changed my opinion that Aso should have always cover the teams #1 guy.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Yeah, nice link. There were a lot of Routt haters in here.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/23682/no-burn-zone-in-oakland

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    Again, reasons why we are not switching to the 3-4 in my opinion. Football Outsiders has the Oakland defense ranked #1 in rushing the passer and #4 in stuffing the run. They get these numbers by isolating long runs that are the fault of the back 7.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

    Waufle is doing an amazing job with these guys, just need to get the LB’s and secondary on the same page

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    487.Raider 510 Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:54 am
    481.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
    477.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
    BURN PERCENTAGE
    Player Team Targets Completions Yards TDs Burn pct. Pass def.
    1. Darrelle Revis Jets 56 19 340 4 33.9 10
    2. Terrence McGee Bills 21 8 88 1 38.1 2
    3. Stanford Routt Raiders 99 39 635 5 39.4 13
    3. Nnamdi Asomugha Raiders 33 13 205 0 39.4 6
    5. Brandon Carr Chiefs 108 43 758 6 39.8 25
    6. Chris Johnson Raiders 42 17 288 3 40.5 9

    ****************

    We had/have 3 CB’s in the same group as Revis.

    ****************
    Not true, Revis covers the opponents #1 receiver. Routt and Johnson cover 2nd a 3rd options.

    **************************

    You need to look at the “targeted” and the “pass defenced” vs the “completed” colum. If a pass was thrown, but not caught OR defended it is of no cause of the CB, prolly just a bad throw.

  • YoungAmerican

    The long runs are hardly all the back 7′s fault.

    This scheme doesn’t work because LBs are not allowed to blitz unless their man stays in to block, and the defensive line doesn’t play with gap discipline.

    Cutback runners have a field day against the Raider defense because the linemen all follow the ball carrier instead of staying within their gaps, and with one cut the runner can change direction faster than the big linemen can, and since it’s all man coverage behind there’s usually a nice soft spot in the middle of the field.

  • buckeyeraider

    ‘Sup fellas.

    The thing Williamson’s article leave out is PI. and penalty yardage. The Raider corners get flagged for some very costly penalties. The Colts game for example, they were playing very good pass D, actually.
    Turned P. Manning into a 50 % passer.

    However, they had two huge and critical PI go against them.

    Routt especially. I’ve called Routt a very frustrating player. He has the size and speed to be a perfect bump and run CB. His man to man coverage skills are improving every year. He could be excellent.

    However, even when he is in perfect position, he tends to grab and hold even when he doesn’t need to. Or he doesn’t get his head around in time.

    What’s even worse is he seems to have gotten that reputation with the officials because he gets flagged for any contact possible, stuff other even lesser corners might get away with.

    If he could master some of the finer points of corner play, like when to turn his head and make a play on the ball he could be an excellent cover corner.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    Note on the D-line stats, despite being the #4 ranked defensive line against the run, we were ranked 31st in open-field runs (runs over 10 yards from the line of scrimmage) last year and 13 in 2nd level yards (5-10 yards from LOS). Clearly the run defense failure is coming from the LB’s and secondary’s inability to prevent long runs.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    Wonder where Huff, Mitchell and Branch stand in the safeties’ burn zone standings?

  • LA to TheBay

    Raider 510 Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:54 am
    481.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
    477.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
    BURN PERCENTAGE
    Player Team Targets Completions Yards TDs Burn pct. Pass def.
    1. Darrelle Revis Jets 56 19 340 4 33.9 10
    2. Terrence McGee Bills 21 8 88 1 38.1 2
    3. Stanford Routt Raiders 99 39 635 5 39.4 13
    3. Nnamdi Asomugha Raiders 33 13 205 0 39.4 6
    5. Brandon Carr Chiefs 108 43 758 6 39.8 25
    6. Chris Johnson Raiders 42 17 288 3 40.5 9

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    We had/have 3 CB’s in the same group as Revis.

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    Not true, Revis covers the opponents #1 receiver. Routt and Johnson cover 2nd a 3rd options.

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    That’s not true at all.

    Nnamdi covers whoever’s on his side and Routt/Johnson whoever’s on their side.

    If anything, Nnamdi’s numbers may look a bit better than they should because he DOESN’T cover the #1 exclusively.