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Raider presence slim for Super Bowl

Not a lot of Raiders’ presence for Super Bowl XLV when the Pittsburgh Steelers meet the Green Bay Packers in an appealing pre-lockout finale.

The only player for Raider Nation to have a vicarious attachment to is Green Bay cornerback Charles Woodson, a very good player with the Raiders who became a great one with the Packers.

Other than that, zero. The argument that NFL teams happily snap up the leftovers because the Raiders’ eye for talent will be one to keep quiet about with regard to the Super Bowl.

The Steelers have no one on the roster who played for the Raiders, although cornerback Bryant McFadden is at least the older brother of rookie cornerback Walter McFadden.

Strength coach Garrett Giemont worked for the Raiders from 1995 through 2002 before joining Jon Gruden and Bruce Allen with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers through 2006 and moving on to Pittsburgh in 2007.

Two Green Bay assistant coaches have Raiders connections _ assistant head coach and linebackers coach Winston Moss, who played for the L.A Raiders from 1991 through 1994, and Darren Perry, a defensive backs coach in 2007 and 2008.

Since Moss has interviewed with Al Davis before, and has gone on record as having great reverence for the Raiders’ owner, his name has naturally come up with regard to the defensive coordinator vacancy. Green Bay’s presence in the Super Bowl means the Raiders will be waiting until Feb. 6 before being able to hire Moss, although there is plenty of back-channel opportunities between now and then to size things up.

Championship weekend observations:

– The Raiders were already beginning the process of parting with Tom Cable by the time the Raiders played the Steelers on Nov. 21, as his every-other-week paychecks were being docked $20,000. But any chance Cable had of returning probably evaporated when the Raiders returned from their bye with a head of steam and a 5-4 record and got whacked 35-3 with two weeks to prepare for a game in Pittsburgh.

That led to Cable benching Jason Campbell in favor of Bruce Gradkowski the following week against Miami, and, well, you know the rest.

So the AFC champions had a role in shaping the 2011 Raiders.

– I’ve never been a big Jay Cutler fan. Struck me as being the life of the party in good times and a spoiled brat in bad ones. A guy you’d never look to in an important game or situation.

That said, judging the severity of an NFL injury from the safety of your computer screen or couch is beyond ridiculous. If you’ve ever stood along the sideline of an actual NFL game, and been that close to the violence that ensues with every snap, it would be hard to fault anyone who actually set foot that arena.

And for players to do it on their Twitter accounts, knowing what they know about injuries and the NFL, attests to the problem of instant media. They talk before they think.

– I got the Super Bowl half right, which is better than usual. I had New England vs. Green Bay in my column setting up the playoffs. Leaning toward Pittsburgh as the winner, but I’ve got awhile to make up my mind and put in print, as I’m still hearing about last year when I assured everyone Indianapolis would beat New Orleans.

– Have to give Ben Roethlisberger credit, along with head coach Mike Tomlin and offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, for the way the Steelers closed out the game with two key third-down conversions on pass plays. If those passes fall incomplete, Pittsburgh is getting crucified by every “game management” critic in the mainland United States and beyond.

Instead, it led to Rex Ryan throwing his headset to the ground in frustration.

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  • YoungAmerican

    Clearly the run defense failure is coming from the LB’s and secondary’s inability to prevent long runs.

    ————-

    When the defensive line allows blockers to get to the second level on a consistent basis, this is what will happen.

    Again, the linemen are concerned with shedding blocks, not occupying blockers so that the linebackers can come in and make tackles. Unfortunately, that is how every successful NFL defense works. But Al values his scheme over actual success.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    Dang! … If you give a Pig A Pancake!

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    So our O-line was 5th in rushing to the left, and 15th rushing to the right. Hmm Way to go CC and LW.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    Young American,

    Very good points. I see our D-line going for broke on most downs. They penetrate and get after the RB in the backfield, which sometimes allows for a TFL and sometimes allows him to get way downfield with a caravan of blockers. But the fact that our D-line is pretty solid statistically, and Al has been very complimentary of them lately, makes me think that the changes will be in the LB corps and secondary, rather than switching to a 3-4.

  • LA to TheBay

    Besides, stats are for losers.

    Bottom line, offense will only get better. More passing TDs, fewer turnovers, more Mike Bush.

    Defensive line can get to the QB and stuff the run. We were solid against the run save for a few long ones. Better DC, better WLB and the secondary HAS to play more disciplined.

    Special teams needs to prevent the big returns. Jacoby is obviously the guy at KR. Prob PR as well.

    Oakland should improve next year.

    Go Raiders.

  • LA to TheBay

    Think Al is waiting for Winston Moss.

    Gave props to Waffles and Ross.

    Personel in the secondary is fine, just needs to be more organized. D Line looked great.

    LB is the area that needs biggest improvement.

  • RaiderRockstar

    New York Jets defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman worked with Jackson on the staffs of USC (2000) and the Ravens (2008).

    ***

    LA, here’s your new DC

    the Jets are out, so expect an interview with Al Davis in 3 days or less

  • LA to TheBay

    Cool, let’s rock and roll.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    The one change to this team that would provide for the biggest improvement, is to have Hue and our new DC convince Al to mix up the coverage in the secondary.

    We have the #1 ranked defensive line against the pass, we have 3 of the top 6 CB’s in burn percentage in the league, and yet our defense is ALWAYS in the bottom of the league. The difference between the success of a guy like Revis, and our CB’s is that Revis is a dangerous CB that teams are forced to engage because of the scheme. Our guys defend the ball well their man from play-to-play, but there are still plenty of holes in the defense for a QB to pick apart.

  • LA to TheBay

    I expect the team to be a top offensive unit and a middle-of-the-pack defense.

    Great at home, decent on the road.

    The progression of Ronaldo McClain and Goethel will be crucial.

    I’d like to see Raiders get two new LBs as well, as Wimbley and Groves are pass ruch specialists (although I really like Wimbley).

  • Mistabr0wn

    This isn’t going to sit well with #21 boot licking fools. Very good point nevertheless.

    ______

    LA to TheBay Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    If anything, Nnamdi’s numbers may look a bit better than they should because he DOESN’T cover the #1 exclusively.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Middle Linebackers really need to be good at reading formations. No rookie is going to be good at that.

  • Mistabr0wn

    KK, you dont have the slightest clue what your talking about.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    510.LA to TheBay Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 11:33 am
    I expect the team to be a top offensive unit and a middle-of-the-pack defense.

    Great at home, decent on the road.

    The progression of Ronaldo McClain and Goethel will be crucial.

    I’d like to see Raiders get two new LBs as well, as Wimbley and Groves are pass ruch specialists (although I really like Wimbley).

    ****

    LA do you really think Goethel is going to be a NFL player? I am not being an azz, I am just askin. I don’t see it.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    512.KoolKell Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 11:39 am
    Middle Linebackers really need to be good at reading formations. No rookie is going to be good at that.

    **********
    So whats that speaker in thier helmets for?

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    We already have a Defensive Coordinator, he is 90 years old and has no clue as to how to stop the run. Bringing in YESMAN assistants has never-ever changed the fact that the Raiders D can’t stop the run.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    The speaker in their helmet is for the DC to call plays, but that doesn’t make a rookie player instinctual, it help I’m sure.

  • http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=eb53t3&s=5&hid=3&tag=my+pool Lynn from Snot

    Macho Man has more experience in the NFL at evaluating talent then an 81 year old hall of famer . What NFL team do you work for??????

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Rookie QB’s have speaker’s in their helmets, too.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Lynn

    Do you think Davis’ fingers allow him to use a computer mouse, or does he need to use a computer?

    What does he do all day?

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Zero experience at evaluating NFL talent. Some experience at looking at numbers. Raiders give up rushing yards, don’t need to work for an NFL team to know that.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Not to get down on Al, but if talent wins games, then judging by the last 2 decades, somebody is not doing a good job evaluating talent.

  • LA to TheBay

    I agree, KK. The game will slow down a bit for Rolando (despite his contention that the SEC is just as fast). He got better and better against the pass as the year went on (notice we didn’t have RBs catching screens and outlet passes for 20+ all season?).

    Wasn’t really asked to do a lot against the run and when it was his gap or when he had a chance to smash through, didn’t really ‘pull the trigger’ as Cable would say.

    I think he’ll improve.

    Rather interested to see what Goethel brings to the table. Guy missed have the season with back issues and never really had a chance to settle in.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    I love reading stuff like this…

    murph918 L.J. Murphy
    I like our new HC..he’s a major reason y we turned things around this year on offense…he’s a great coach

  • LA to TheBay

    Raccoon,

    I liked what I saw in preseason, which wasn’t much.

    I remember watching a college game of his and he seemed very instinctive and stout against the run.

    Don’t have much confidence in Wimbley and Groves being run stuffers, so I’d like to see what the rook has got.

    I think in a few years, this draft class will prove to be one of our best.

  • bigblackdeath29

    524.Raider75 Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    I love reading stuff like this…

    murph918 L.J. Murphy
    I like our new HC..he’s a major reason y we turned things around this year on offense…he’s a great coach

    ————————————————–
    they avg.25 pt`s a game somebody has to fet credit for that.

  • Silver-and-black666

    All I know is that in a year or two our owner will call a presser where he will again humiliate himself publically and embarrass every one of us fans by accusing Hue Jackson of something farfetched and take his money…wake me up when the nightmare is over!

  • J Hill

    So the last coachch got 3 years, but this one will get 1 or 2?

    Cmon mayne!

    3 years from now, if Jackson has not had a winning season, he should be fired. Just like he said at the presser.

  • bigblackdeath29

    so cable breaking a guys jaw and beating woman is farfetched.

  • J Hill

    Wauffle is pretty much going to have carte blance with the Dline. Moving Winbley and Groves back to DE full time is a good idea.

    I’d like to see if Goethel can live up to the hype. Is Thomas Howard really not the WLB we’ve been asking for?

  • http://Www.bullycains.com r8dercain

    An ideal LB would be 6-2 6-3 6-4 265 lbs an can run as fast as Bruce campbell
    agreed?

  • http://Www.bullycains.com r8dercain

    I think we have that type of personnel now but
    there natural DE’s that’s the problemo

  • Silver-and-black666

    Jhill

    you act like there is some kind of consistency in how AD operates.

    you need to “Come on MAYNE”!!

  • Silver-and-black666

    bigblackdeath29

    How does AD’s butt juice taste?

  • Silver-and-black666

    “breaking a guys jaw and beating woman”

    Was an ordinary Saturday night for the Raiders of the 70′s!

    damn retard!

  • http://Www.bullycains.com r8dercain

    Like I said we have 3-4personnel but not really cuz they play DE
    they can’t cover on passing downs but yet there on the field. We have tweeners with the exception of Mc Clain an Goethel. If your gonna run the 4-3 leave wimbley at DE an either cut groves or he goes into DL rotation

    well maybe groves will do better this yr but I doubt it

  • r8rwill

    howdy nation,
    j hill i was just getting it together to post about thomas howard, who in my opinion was and is our best coverage lb.. i wonder if howard had some kind of negative relationship with cable or marshall..he has made some big plays for us and i would hate to see him in a donkeys uniform….

  • RaiderRockstar

    So the last coachch got 3 years, but this one will get 1 or 2?

    Cmon mayne!

    ***

    Tom Cable didn’t inherit an 8-8 team. he got a 4-12 club with JaWalrus at QB!

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    486.Dakota Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:48 am
    484.M Lonetree Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am
    that link above to burn pct goes a long way to demonstrating just how many people on this site know so little of which they opine.
    all of the “Routt is terrible”, and “Nnamdi is overrated”, and “Johnson stinks” comments are shown for what they are, foolish and wrong.

    ++++++++++

    Yeah, those guy were almost as foolish and wrong as the Darren McFadden haters….

    (no response M? lol)

  • RaiderRockstar

    interested to see what Goethel brings to the table. Guy missed have the season with back issues and never really had a chance to settle in.

    I liked what I saw in preseason, which wasn’t much.

    I remember watching a college game of his and he seemed very instinctive and stout against the run.

    Don’t have much confidence in Wimbley and Groves being run stuffers, so I’d like to see what the rook has got.

    I think in a few years, this draft class will prove to be one of our best.

    ***

    Co-Sign!

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    520.KoolKell Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am
    Lynn

    Do you think Davis’ fingers allow him to use a computer mouse, or does he need to use a computer?

    What does he do all day?

    *****************************

    Why are you knockin on the old man? Dude has earned those hands. They look like my g-pa’s, but he worked on his Ranch (where he was born in a barn) all his life. He don’t know what OSHA stands for.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    531.r8dercain Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
    An ideal LB would be 6-2 6-3 6-4 265 lbs an can run as fast as Bruce campbell
    agreed?

    *************

    Lets just put B. Campbell @ MLB.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    525.LA to TheBay Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    Raccoon,

    I liked what I saw in preseason, which wasn’t much.

    I remember watching a college game of his and he seemed very instinctive and stout against the run.

    Don’t have much confidence in Wimbley and Groves being run stuffers, so I’d like to see what the rook has got.

    I think in a few years, this draft class will prove to be one of our best.

    ************************

    Thanks for the input LA.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    Maybe Al will just roll with no DC this year….maybe he will just hire a pass defense coordinator and promote Wauffle to Run defense coordinator?

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    494.BART Bridge Blues Says:
    January 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am
    Again, reasons why we are not switching to the 3-4 in my opinion. Football Outsiders has the Oakland defense ranked #1 in rushing the passer and #4 in stuffing the run. They get these numbers by isolating long runs that are the fault of the back 7.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

    Waufle is doing an amazing job with these guys, just need to get the LB’s and secondary on the same page

    ******

    A worthy re-post.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    4 minutes ago – 2010 Report Card: WR Darrius Heyward-Bey — D. After a nightmare nine-catch rookie season, Heyward-Bey dropped far fewer passes and had 26 receptions. But the No. 7 overall draft pick in 2009 caught just one TD pass and disappeared too often. His exceptional speed simply didn’t translate into big plays. He’s still incredibly raw. Raiders RapidReports
    Tags: WR

    29 minutes ago – Offseason priorities: No. 3 – Cornerback. The Eagles are solid on the right side with All-Pro Asante Samuel, but there’s a huge hole on the left side and in nickel and dime coverages. Does anybody have Nnamdi Asomugha’s phone number? Eagles RapidReports

    Jan. 24, 2011 4:01 p.m. – 2010 RaidReports Report Card: FB Marcel Reece – B. A converted college wide receiver, Reece won the starting job in camp and turned out to be a decent blocker and very dangerous receiver. He caught 25 passes for 333 yards and three TDs, one covering 75 yards. He also averaged 4.1 yards on 30 carries. Reece showed big-play skills few fullbacks possess. Raiders RapidReports

    Jan. 24, 2011 3:57 p.m. – 2010 Report Card: TE Zach Miller – A-minus. Despite battling injuries, Miller led the Raiders in catches (60), receiving yards (685) and TD catches (5) and earned his first Pro Bowl trip, replacing the injured Antonio Gates. In four seasons, he has 226 career catches for 2,712 yards and has been every Raider QB’s security blanket. Raiders RapidReports

    Jan. 24, 2011 3:26 p.m. – 2010 Report Card: QB Jason Campbell — C-plus. Campbell went 8-5 as a starter in his first season as a Raider, but his 84.5 passer rating ranked just 18th in the NFL. He was benched at halftime of Week 2 against the Rams and might have stayed there the rest of the season if QB Bruce Gradkowksi hadn’t suffered a shoulder injury. Raiders RapidReports

    Jan. 24, 2011 3:24 p.m. – 2010 Report Card: RB Darren McFadden –- A. McFadden, the No. 4 overall pick in 2008, had a breakout season. He rushed for 1,157 yards and seven touchdowns and caught 47 passes for 507 yards and three scores. This would have been an A-plus if he hadn’t missed three games with hamstring and toe injuries. Raiders RapidReports

  • http://no_knuckleheads! 909RaiderLifer

    Al will probably call the defense from his box next year, he’s still trying to find a head set that won’t cut his forehead……

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    gregaiello Greg Aiello
    Most-watched conf championship game still “The Catch.” 49s over Cowboys 1/10/82 classic..68.7 million. Next season, players went on strike.
    …..

    NFL needs to pay attention.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Darrius Heyward-Bey has 35 catches in his first 2 NFL seasons …

    RB Darren McFadden caught 47 passes this year alone and missed three games with hamstring and toe injuries!

  • severeraiderz

    Curious to see who our DC will be….it’s looking more and more like it will be Winston Moss.