Five coaches removed from roster
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, January 25th, 2011 at 2:03 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The following assistant coaches were removed from the Raiders’ coaching roster on the club Web site after being there earlier this morning:
Linebackers coach Mike Haluchak, quarterbacks coach Ted Tollner, quartebacks coach Paul Hackett, offensive line coach Jim Michalczik and assistant line coach Chris Morgan.
Al Saunders was added to the roster as offensive coordinator Monday.
Two names who have surfaced with regard to Oakland’s search for a defensive coordinator _ former Raiders defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan and Jacksonville defensive line coach Joe Cullen.
Bresnahan, most recently the defensive coordinator of the Florida Tuskers of the UFL, was was the Raiders defensive coordinator in the division title seasons from 2000 through 2002. He worked as Cincinnati defensive coordinator when Hue Jackson coached Bengals wide receivers. A source said Jackson has spoken with Bresnahan, although it’s not known how serious the level of interest is on either side.
According to the Twitter account of Jason LaCanfora of the NFL Network, “Joe Cullen to interview for Raiders DC job in the coming weeks.” Cullen has been a defensive line coach both in college and the NFL.
Note: Appears to be a rogue LaCanfora tweeter on the horizon. It crossed my Tweet deck this afternoon. My fault for picking it up somewhere other than his direct Twitter site.
Coaches who served under Tom Cable who are still listed include Greg Biekert (assistant coach on defense), Willie Brown (squad development), John Fassel (special teams coordinator), Adam Henry (tight ends), Sanjay Lal (wide receivers), Brad Roll (strength and conditioning), Kevin Ross (assistant coach), Kelly Skipper (running backs), Lionel Washington and Mike Waufle (defensive line).
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January 25th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Coach Davis
January 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Go build a bully, Hue.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Sanjay still has a job? Why?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
They better get one he11 of a LBs coach, cause the focus seems to be on DBs and DL and, IMO, LB is the area that needs most improvement (just think the secondary needs to be more organized and communicate better).
January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Brad Roll still has a job? Why?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The following assistant coaches were removed from the Raiders’ coaching roster on the club Web site after being there earlier this morning:
Linebackers coach Mike Haluchak, quarterbacks coach Ted Tollner, quartebacks coach Paul Hackett, offensive line coach Jim Michalczik and assistant line coach Chris Morgan.
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I wonder who the new QB Coach will be?
I’m assuming the Passing Game Coordinator position will vanish, instead of hiring a guy to work with well respected OC Al Saunders
January 25th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Wasn’t Lal brought in with Kiffin??
He is on his 3rd HC. He must go up and spin some real webs with Al about the greatness of the Raiders.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Bresnahan, most recently the defensive coordinator of the Florida Tuskers of the UFL,
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Perfect fit. No other NFL options. Now Davis can low-ball him. Ooooooh.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
I swear Al Davis came up with “Passing Game Co-ordinator” title as a way to not call them OC or assistant OC and save some cash.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
New York Jets defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman worked with Jackson on the staffs of USC (2000) and the Ravens (2008).
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Jerry,
any word on this guy ???
check him out – I like!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Thurman
January 25th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Dennis Thurman sounds intriguing to me..
January 25th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Just the whole never called a game thing…scary..
January 25th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
JFB
Conventional blog wisdom says that TV money pays for everything, and that Davis is not NFL poor.
Al Davis said himself last week, that the Raiders don’t have the resources of many other teams.
22,000 season ticket holders. He keeps trying to sell off chunks to investors.
He’s on his last legs in every sense of the word.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
22,000 Season Ticket Holders for the Oakland Friggin Raiders!
Unbelievable.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Will it really matter who our DC is…I mean seriously!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Brad Roll still has a job? Why?
Same question I have asked…WHY?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
JFB
22,000 season ticket holders eloquently says all anybody need to know about the local sentiment towards Davis.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Conventional blog wisdom
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Is that an oxymoron?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Dennis Thurman coached up Troy Polamalu at USC, Ed Reed in Baltimore & Darrelle Revis in New York
He was teammates with Ronnie Lott while at USC while Lott was an underclassmen. Lott credits Thurman for his development as a player in his Pro Football Hall of Fame speech who he credits as someone who “helped me become a better football player.”
January 25th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Chad Ocho-Cinco is changing his name back to Johnson… That way when he gets picked up by Oakland Dhb wont have to change his number again.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Dennis Thurman + Nnamdi Asomugha + Michael Huff = dominant secondary !!!
sign all 3 Al!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
why only 22,000? because the stadium is a dump and the team hasn’t finished over .500 for years.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Chad Ocho-Cinco is changing his name back to Johnson… That way when he gets picked up by Oakland Dhb wont have to change his number again.
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DHB might be out of the league before he ever reaches his 85th reception!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Hey an old blast from the past. Sanjay Lal calls Al “Coach Davis” as well. No wonder he is still around.
Jerry hinted as they could hire another WR coach, and move Sanjay within the organization, but fact is, he is representing the Raiders right now in Mobile to the nation’s best collegiate players.
Sanjay for GM!!
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009/08/09/qa-with-sanjay-lal/
January 25th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
KK
I am one of those people who used to go to 6 or 7 games a year but has been on protest for the last three years (no tickets or team paraphernalia bought) This is the only way that we the fan can show how unhappy we are that there is no help in our front office no GM no VP nothing but AL Davis.
Yeah there are thousands of Bay Area guys like me who are SICK of the BS!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
why only 22,000? because the stadium is a dump and the team hasn’t finished over .500 for years.
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The Stadium is NOT a dump. It’s doesn’t have the corporate amenities of modern stadiums, but it is not a dump, by any stretch.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. thinks a 3-4 defense creates more options for a defense, and that Oakland could pull ot off well.
“They’ve been adding 3-4 guys the past two seasons, so it would make sense,” he said. “I think it would be beneficial.”
Up front, Williamson calls Seymour, who was a defensive tackle in Oakland in 2010, “the best 3-4 defensive end of this generation.” Lamarr Houston would be good at end and while Williamson acknowledges Kelly is not an ideal nose tackle, he said Kelly could get by there.
“I wouldn’t be surprised if Oakland drafted that classic 6-foot-2, 340-pound nose tackle,” Williamson said.
Also, breakout player Matt Shaughnessy would also be hurt by the change. The defenisve end is not a 3-4 player and Williamson admits “he would suffer the most by this move.”
At linebacker, inside man Rolando McClain played the 3-4 in college at Alabama, and outside man Kamerion Wimbley played it at Cleveland. Shaughnessy, Trevor Scott or Quentin Groves would be the other pass-rushing linebacker, with Travis Goethel the only current in-house candidate for the other inside spot.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Two things.
No Bresnahan.
And why the HE!! is Sanjay Lal still here?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
JFB-#18-beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Sanjay Lal will be our OC one day and then HC and then the scum of the earth and fired.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
The Stadium is NOT a dump. It’s doesn’t have the corporate amenities of modern stadiums, but it is not a dump, by any stretch
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I’ve been to the Coliseum many teams
I agree with NMD.
DUMP!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Hue Jackson has connections.
I heard BALCO is privately funding our new stadium!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
i know bresnahan wasnt that good last go round here. How ever wasnt he with the bungles last year when they had a top defense? I cant remember
January 25th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
I’ve been to the Coliseum many teams
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I doubt it.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
its a dump…but the good news is if the season tix get below 20,000 then its a pretty safe bet that the LA raiders are coming soon….
January 25th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
i know bresnahan wasnt that good last go round here. How ever wasnt he with the bungles last year when they had a top defense?
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Mistic,
that was Mike Zimmer (who also has ties to Hue Jax – Atlanta)
January 25th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
LA to the Bay
Best post I’ve seen in a while mang. Kudos
January 25th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
I don’t think anyone in here knows anything about whether Sanjay Lal is a good wide receivers coach or not.
Fact: Almost no WR on the roster this year who played meaningful minutes had more than 1 year of NFL experience.
Fact: The year before that JaPurpledrank was our QB.
Fact: This year, we had Captain Checkdown at QB. He won’t throw downfield unless the WR is more than 10 yards in the clear, which doesn’t happen much in the NFL.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
The Stadium is NOT a dump. It’s doesn’t have the corporate amenities of modern stadiums, but it is not a dump, by any stretch.
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Sorry, it’s a dump.
One major advantage it has is accessibility, so they need to just build a new one right there.
If Al could figure something out and get a great stadium there, they could host college football games, maybe a bowl game, things along those lines and generally enter the 21st century.
Instead we all pissing in the same toilets in 2011, as our grandparents were in 1970.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Candlestick Park is a dump, and 49er games are always on TV.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Bengals receiver Chad Ochocinco appeared Tuesday on ESPN’s NFL Live to discuss the various recent developments involving himself, his team, his coach, and his quarterback.
The biggest surprise? Chad said he wants to stay in Cincinnati, a fact on which we’ve previously reported.
“I don’t want to go anywhere,” Ochocinco said. “I love Cincy. I love the fans. And Cincinnati is all I know. That’s all I know. And I just look forward to next year
-PFT
January 25th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Colisuem is not a dump. The area is not sparkling, but the park is not a dump.
New Mexico is a dump.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Chad Eight Five would be a problematic non fit for the Raiders.. Al loves his kiddie corp of recievers..
January 25th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Btw, Golden State has very strong attendance.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Broncos finish staff with former Texans coordinator
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal (PFT)
The 2010 Denver Broncos coaching staff is complete.
Following the hiring of Dennis Allen as the team’s defensive coordinator, the team announced Tuesday they’ve hired former Texans defensive coordinator Richard Smith as linebackers coach and former Rams/Panthers assistant coach Ron Milus to coach the secondary.
If we wanted to be cynical smartasses, we could point out that the Broncos coaching staff will now be an excellent mix of the two worst teams in 2010 (Panthers, Broncos) and the unstoppable Texans and Rams defenses from 2008.
But we’re not cynical.
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LOL!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Bresnahan?
What a joke of hire that would be….that would smell of an Al Davis hire and not a Hue hire….unless they couldn’t get anyone else better to replace Marshall.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Two other things that Jerry Mac and/or the blog consensus is wrong:
1: Mike Huff. I was saying it all year, Huff has really upped his game these last two seasons. I kept commenting that he was borderline Pro Bowl material this season. The main thing keeping him out is the fact that two first ballot Hall of Fame safeties are currently playing in the AFC. Whoever recognized him in the All Pro voting is obviously someone who pays attention. Jerry’s comparrison to Darren Sharper getting a vote is silly. Voting for Sharper is voting on reputation and shows the voter clearly hasn’t been paying attention. Huff doesn’t have that reputation yet and he’s even worse off because he has to overcome the underachiever label he picked up early in his career. So Huff is a guy you’d really have to be watching to throw an All Pro vote his way.
2. Jason Campbell is better than Gradkowski and Vince Young. Reality: VY > Grads > Campbell.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Podunk Missouri is a dump!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
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January 25th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Hue was in Cincy with Breshnahan for a few years. There’s a legit connection. Winston Moss, who I think more fans would prefer would indicate a Davis hire even more since I don’t believe Hue and WM have any past connection.
These coaches almost always go with guys they’ve worked with in the past.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
LOL…..
I’ve been to probably almost 80 events at the Coliseum in my lifetime, including the Warriors, KoolKell. Great, great memories.
But Glendale, AZ is a dump. A complete flat, hot mess, and they host Super Bowls out there. Going there last year was eye-opening.
Al’s stadium was outdated in 1995.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Bresnahan?
What a joke of hire that would be….that would smell of an Al Davis hire and not a Hue hire….unless they couldn’t get anyone else better to replace Marshall.
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When you’re the last one to hire every year, how can you get anyone better? They’re all freakin gone!!!!
Not that they would have come anyway.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Chad Eight Five would be a problematic non fit for the Raiders.. Al loves his kiddie corp of recievers..
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#85 had “Raider speed” 10 years ago, but that ship has sailed
the Bungles have been to the playoffs twice in the last 11 years since Ocho was drafted and I think they lost the first postseason game they played in – both times
He’s just a loud mouthed selfish loser like Randy Moss & Terrell Owens. past their prime and ready to fade off into the sunset
January 25th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
The Bresnehan Bengals were pretty crappy. Zimmer got a lot of credit for turning that unit around. Believe he’s being retained (as he should).
January 25th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Golden State’s arena is an above-average NBA arena. Hell, maybe top 10.
In ain’t the location or town it is in KK.
It’s the organization and business aspect of it all. Why are you OF ALL PEOPLE, failing to realize this.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Really what is keeping the fans away is the facility? So if the Raiders had a winning record you guys would still stay away?
Still better than candlestick!
Hey anybody put their $100 down yet to get the autographed Flores picture?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
switch to a 3-4? why? it doesnt mean you will be a good defense.
lol looks like jerry agreed with me o-line biggest weakness on the team, not qb. Pass protection was piss poor, even though some on this board have tried to hype the o-line as a way to take a swipe at jc.
Ridiculous
January 25th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Al’s stadium was outdated in 1995.
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Sure, I’ve acknowledged that it doesn’t have the corporate amenities, but it’s no dump, by a longshot.
It’s clean, in good shape, wide passageways, it’s not a dump.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Chris, I’m with you on Huff.
He makes plays to get the defense off the field. INT’s, nice plays on 3rd downs, sacks, etc.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
i know bresnahan wasnt that good last go round here. How ever wasnt he with the bungles last year when they had a top defense?
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Mistic,
that was Mike Zimmer (who also has ties to Hue Jax – Atlanta)
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Thanks
January 25th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Golden States arena and the Oakland Coliseum are managed by the same organisation.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
KoolKell, nobody cares about “wide passageways” man.
Corporate sponsors, TV execs and consumers want massive HD scoreboards and “a great time out” as the Dubs say.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
The location is good for access but it is a dump. And so is the Stick. The players all say that the facilities are the worst in the league. The fans don’t help much either. I took my ten year old nephew to a titan game a few years ago. (we came all the way down from Tahoe)He is from Tenn and wore his Titans jersey, against my advise. We weren’t there for ten min before some highly intoxicated moron dumped a beer on him. He was ten for gods sake!!! I broke the morons nose and we got booted. That was the last season I bought season tickets…
January 25th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Anybody ever heard of fans staying away from games because the ballpark is a dump? Never.
The locals, unlike you Podunk know it all’s, have a history. Know the history.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
It’s a dump with history.. get over it KK
January 25th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
So, the fans stay away because of a lack of HD screens?
Bull.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Two other things that Jerry Mac and/or the blog consensus is wrong:
Grads > Campbell.
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Still on this? You flushed your own credibilty down the toilet with that statement your finished, just like grads career.
Good thing HU Jack and old man Al are calling the shots. They know better than you.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Fans will go to anything that is winning.
But if your not winning…………..you better have something to come see.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
and dont even get me going on the ugly scar of an infield we have to endure the first 2-3 games each year. I hate the infield… only one other stadium has one.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
So, in other words, it’s not Davis’ fault there’s only 22,000 season-ticket holders?
Bull
January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
KK,
If Al magically built a stadium overnight, he would double his season-ticket sales in a week.
Your cluelessness to this situation is quite odd.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
The location is good for access but it is a dump. And so is the Stick. The players all say that the facilities are the worst in the league. The fans don’t help much either. I took my ten year old nephew to a titan game a few years ago. (we came all the way down from Tahoe)He is from Tenn and wore his Titans jersey, against my advise. We weren’t there for ten min before some highly intoxicated moron dumped a beer on him. He was ten for gods sake!!! I broke the morons nose and we got booted. That was the last season I bought season tickets…
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You can find drunken idiots at any football stadium
January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
So, if you’re not winning, you’d better have a big screen TV?
Bull.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Dirt infields are Bush League.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
KK,
If Al magically built a stadium overnight, he would double his season-ticket sales in a week.
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If your grandmother had testicles, she’d be…………..
January 25th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
look at pac bell park. even when the giants really sucked the place was full. thats because it was a pleasent place to watch your team get its ass kicked. plenty to see and do, walking distanse to restaurants and bars, etc. fun for the whole family…
January 25th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
New Stadiums are nice. But you can’t convince me Raider Fans who grew up in that Stadium, are staying away from Raider games because of it.
Nap time.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
true that mistic…
January 25th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RR
I could not have said it any better myself!
“He’s just a loud mouthed selfish loser like Randy Moss & Terrell Owens. past their prime and ready to fade off into the sunset”
January 25th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
JFB
“Fans will go to anything that is winning.”
Which is why LA will never support an NFL team!
January 25th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
I’m thinking Chad Johnson would work out with the Raiders. Things would more than likely end badly, but we could get a few good productive years out of him.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
75.KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
KK,
If Al magically built a stadium overnight, he would double his season-ticket sales in a week.
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If your grandmother had testicles, she’d be…………..
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married to you….
January 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Don’t mean to dump on the Coliseum, and maybe a “dump” is a slight exaggeration.
But that thing is losing a lot of steam each year compared to the rest of the league.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
[...] Linebackers coach Mike Haluchak, quarterbacks coach Ted Tollner and assistant line coach Chris Morgan were also among the post-Cable era casualties according to Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune. [...]
January 25th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Sanjay must go!!
January 25th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
123.Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
“Which one of the posters here do you figure, bathes Al Davis?”
Mista Brown is handling the butt wipe, which is where he got his name from….
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I used to change Al’s diapers but he cut my salary in half so I walked.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Is joe cullen the coach that got busted in detroit for dui and going through a wendy’s drive through naked?
January 25th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
The Los Angeles Raiders of Oakland in Los Angeles??
January 25th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Mistic….
Yep, same dude…..
January 25th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
This guy supposedly interviewed Justin Griffith and had this to say about the Raiders and Jamarcus.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/2011-senior-bowl-day-one-notes
January 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I’m so tired of hearing all you so called raider fans complaining about al davis and the organization needing a gm. And using that excuse to not show up and support the players. If you guys don’t like how the team is being handled then you should just become a 49er fan. Look at their team they have a gm and a so called good owner and look at the mess there in. It’s time to pull your heads out of all your asses and start supporting our raiders. The team and most importantly the players need our stadium filled every home game. They need us to be behind them cheering them on. Always remember WIN LOSE OR TIE RAIDER TILL I DIE!! Let’s go raider nation it’s about time to change..
January 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
If you look at the staffs of the good teams you see ex head coaches. on the ders we have Al Davis a_ _ kissers( LAL)
January 25th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
My comments were meant for silver and black666 and the thousands of so called fans that are sick of all the b.s.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
[...] Linebackers coach Mike Haluchak, quarterbacks coach Ted Tollner and assistant line coach Chris Morgan were also among the post-Cable era casualties according to Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune. [...]
January 25th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Do you think driving drunk while buck naked, down to the local Mickey D’s for cheeseburgers, then to KFC for slaw would be Al’s idea of the “Raider way”?
January 25th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
like your passion immortal.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Al’s current puppet roster:
Greg Biekert (assistant coach on defense), Willie Brown (squad development), John Fassel (special teams coordinator), Adam Henry (tight ends), Sanjay Lal (wide receivers), Brad Roll (strength and conditioning), Kevin Ross (assistant coach), Kelly Skipper (running backs), Lionel Washington and Mike Waufle (defensive line).
January 25th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
raiderimmortal Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I’m so tired of hearing all you so called raider fans complaining about al davis and the organization needing a gm.
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Yeah, really. I mean, we’re already solid at GM.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
You can find drunken idiots at any football stadium.
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Speaking of idiots, late 70s Candelstick Park, idiots would stand on the upper deck and urinate those below.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
“on”
January 25th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
good post immortal…
January 25th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
They’re still not as bad as modern day Raider fans.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
I agree with immortal. We’re set at GM. We have Al Davis. He’s the most sought after GM in the game today.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cullen
January 25th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
@95 funny.
Wasn’t Bresnahan the DC under Chucky when we last had a decent defense and were contending for SuperBowls for several years?
Why all the hate for ChuckyB?
January 25th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
cut and pasty faker
January 25th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
didnt bresnahan kill us with prevent defense he called the sticks and cost us several games we were leading late.who ever the new dc is ,lets hope they get heywered the ball go bay ,to try out for corner back.im sure hes a good guy and all ,just cant catch.when a db shows hes got skills catching sometimes they get a shot on offense .hes a wr who has showed hes got no skills catching just makes sense to put him on defense,but what do i know im just a super hero
January 25th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Breshnehan inherited Willie Shaw’s defense. We were an offensive team anyway. The defense on Gruden’s team, while having some decent players, was exploitable at every level.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
imaquaman Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
didnt bresnahan kill us with prevent defense he called
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Oh, you’re funny.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
I guess it was Breshnehan who dialed up that prevent against San Diego in week one of ‘09.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
I actually liked willie shaw, his swarm to the ball theory was pretty good.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Maybe we should hire madden raider for gm. Since he’s so “smart”..
January 25th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
arithmetic 1,
$4,000,000,000 guaranteed 2010 TV revenues ~ $125,000,000 per NFL franchise.
per game ticket sales plus merchadizing plus concessions = boo-effing hoo.
overpaid players and overpaid owners, gee, which baby mama dramas pull at your heartstrings?
January 25th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
am i wrong?
January 25th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Kiffin’sMarionetteRaider,
calling the kettle black are you? what a friggin’ joke you are.
January 25th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Mistic, I read an interesting article about Shaw, about how his defense is designed to disrupt the offense’s timing. He must be tough to work with, because it’s amazing he’s not in the league. He turned a non existent Raider defense to, what, a top 7 or so defense in one year?
January 25th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
# imaquaman Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
am i wrong?
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Yes, you are. By implying that Breshnehan is more responsible for our prevent D than Al Davis, who’s died by the prevent so many times I’ve lost count, before and after Breshnehan.
January 25th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
The truth is the economy and the losing is why the fans aren’t coming. If you win they’ll come, but even if your losing and it’s a great place to be they’ll still come. But it cannot be a dump and you’re losing.
The firtyniners are selling out tickets but if you look in the stands they are empty. That place is half empty eveery game. How they stay on TV is mind boggling because all my friends and family who are stanch niner fans don’t go anymore. You can get a 50yardline great seat for $20 bucks their fans are keeping their season tickets but they no longer go to games. You can get a niner ticket just asking for it.
I think the fact that the Raiders don’t sell out and aren’t on TV helps the niners because the NFL doesn’t want both teams blacked out in this market.
January 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
I’ve always found it disturbing that Oakland and Detroit have had the worst two football teams in the past decade.
January 25th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
I’ve always found it disturbing that Oakland and Detroit have had the worst two football teams in the past decade.
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true, but what is almost disgusting is that Detroit seems to be on a path to turn it around..
January 25th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Raiderimmortal Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Maybe we should hire madden raider for gm. Since he’s so “smart”..
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I guess this is the guy who bathes Al Davis. Thanks for your service.
January 25th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
JFB
Will you be sitting with any Democrats during the State of the Union address?
January 25th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
lol.
Kell, JFB is a Democrat, remember?
It’s pretty sad that Republicans still win elections even when most Republican voters are too embarrassed to admit they’re Republicans.
January 25th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
i got to watch every raider game this year…until they come back to LA
January 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I think that Jay Cutler is done in Chi town. i would take him over anyone on our roster. I say, let’s make a trade…
January 25th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Chuck Breshnahan? we are going to the Super Bowl!
January 25th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Isnt Chuck the same as Rob frigin Ryan minus the explenative filled pressers? The trend will continue, the D will rank in the lower third.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Wow, sounds like kool kell is backing up madden raider. Looks like you guys are some gay ass lovers. You need to be in the San Francisco 49er blog..
January 25th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Hey koolo kell are you a woman?
January 25th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
‘Sup fellas.
Look on the bright side fellas. If Bresnahan does return at least we won’t have to put up with his color coded cards from the sideline. Because of innovations and rules changes the DC can send in a signal via headset.
Remember his god-awful cards? Reminded me of oversized Candy Land Cards. First down…Two Blue squares. 2nd down one red…and 3rd down…lose two turns stuck in Gumdrop Mountains.
Although, the guy was a good enough DC to coach on 3 div. winning Raider teams, and has familiarity with Hue from Cincy.
We’ll see.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
I think the Raiders could do a whole lot worse than Bresnahan. It’s not like there’s going to be a new defensive scheme or anything.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
I do remember the color cards. Man, Chuk was a sorry downgrade from Willi Shaw.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Bresnahan? Out of the league this long?
I prefer someone who is working right now in the NFL. Someone who knows the personnel of the teams.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
I think if The Al in going to recycle his old DCs he should go with Charlie Sumner. At least when he was the Raiders DC, he won a Superbowl. Who cares if he’s 80, that’s still young compared to The Al. Charlie Sumner made Jack Squirek a Superbowl Hero!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Sumner
January 25th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
I’m just waiting for Al’s hugest LOL moment yet, crediting Breshnehan for our success between 2000-2002.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
YA,
You been watching the Senior bowl practices on NFLN? Mayock was really talking up John Moffit from Wisconsin. Talked about what a nasty disposition he has.
Those damn Badgers do send some road graders into the NFL.
Whether Gallery stays or not, Oakland probably needs an infusion of young talent onto the OL.
The offensive line in general seems deep in this draft. Oughtta play right into Raiders’ hands.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
“A lot of people say Gannon, Gruden, but when you think Charles Woodson, when you think Bill Romanowski, when you think Anthony Dorsett Jr., and some of the other great names on that team, you think of the man I’m about to introduce as new defensive coordinator of the Oakland Raidahs….”
January 25th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
I’ve been at work all day so I haven’t had a chance to see them, unfortunately. Moffitt would be a great pick for the Raiders, and could be plugged in at either OG spot or even center, all of which are positions of need. I hope the coaching staff gives him a long hard look.
Have to wonder if he’s going to end up being a 2nd round pick.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
I still think the front runner is probably Winston Moss. Sounds like Al’s been interested in him for awhile. Now they have to wait til after the SB.
If it was Bresnahan or somebody off the Lions staff they could’ve already made the deal.
But, Hue has coached with Chuck before. So, who knows. Purely speculation.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
out of all the defensive coordinators out there someone please tell me that we’re gonna do better than bresnahan.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
LOL. This shills are pointing toward Breshnehan, so it will probably be him. They always seem to know, don’t they? Anyhow, I just hope Al doesn’t even remotely credit Breshnehan for the success between ‘00-02 when rehiring him, because I’ll laugh so hard it will hurt.
January 25th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
# imaquaman Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
didnt bresnahan kill us with prevent defense he called the sticks and cost us several games we were leading late.who ever the new dc is ,lets hope they get heywered the ball go bay ,to try out for corner back.im sure hes a good guy and all ,just cant catch.when a db shows hes got skills catching sometimes they get a shot on offense .hes a wr who has showed hes got no skills catching just makes sense to put him on defense,but what do i know im just a super hero
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# imaquaman Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
am i wrong?
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the realmadden raider says
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January 25th, 2011 at 5:25
Yes, you are. By implying that Breshnehan is more responsible for our prevent D than Al Davis, who’s died by the prevent so many times I’ve lost count, before and after Breshnehan.
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well i very well could be wrong ,im not beyond that .but i in no way said cb is more responsible.unless mr.davis is calling plays from above bres.is completely responsible for who he sends in ,when he use’s prevent,(time left on clock)on field position of personel,where the safties are how many ,based on field position,all being based on points at the time ……..your saying al davis is in the middle of all this ,and according to you running the offense calling plays drawing game plans,and so far up the offense a** that when we lose its his fault.tell me how an 80 something year old man is doing all this at the same time,while not even on the field .yea i said chuck bresnanhan was the culprit ,i said nothing at all about al davis,read my post again,,,,,but i could still be wrong,but if i am make sure its about what i said and not what you assume i meant
January 25th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
RMR,
Yes Gruden’s teams were an offensive powerhouse. Gannon was a league MVP and I thought he shoulda won it in 2000. The Raiders were No. 1 rushing team partly because of his 550+ rushing yards. I don’t know why so many Raider fans have turned on Gannon. I don’t blame him solely for the SB loss. I don’t have a problem with his criticism of the organization.
I don’t know why you have such a problem with Bresnahan, though. He was a good enough coach to be DC on your idol Chucky’s staff. Yes?
His defense shut out the Dolphins in the 2000 playoffs. They held the Ravens to 16 points with 7 of those coming on a 96 yard fluke.
I believe he was the coach who called the blitz that sent Woodson crashing in on Brady that should’ve sealed that win, yes.
And his run defenses with Greg Biekert and Big John Parella at DT were a hell of a lot better than what we’ve seen since.
I’m not even saying I want to see Bresnahan back in Oakland. Just not sure why you’re so down on it. it’s a throwback to the Gruden era. Or doesn’t he look as cute in a little viser?
January 25th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
boehner looks like he is stoned….
January 25th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Hackett and Tollner gone. Hue is on a roll! Two down and a Scabs to go.
January 25th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
The Raiders are never going back to LA. They aren’t even in the top 3 teams that are being talked about. Its been a big topic of discussion down here as of late (I live in San Diego). It’s more than likely in 2013 you will see the powder blues playing in that new proposed stadium. Building a new stadium for them here is not going to happen and Spanos wants out of this town. He is also buds with the guy in charge of the LA project. It’s going to happen. Other teams that have been thrown around are the Jaguars and the Vikings.
January 25th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
The Raiders aren’t even in the discussion. And thank god.
January 25th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Priesttj Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
The truth is the economy and the losing is why the fans aren’t coming. If you win they’ll come, but even if your losing and it’s a great place to be they’ll still come. But it cannot be a dump and you’re losing.
The firtyniners are selling out tickets but if you look in the stands they are empty. That place is half empty eveery game. How they stay on TV is mind boggling because all my friends and family who are stanch niner fans don’t go anymore. You can get a 50yardline great seat for $20 bucks their fans are keeping their season tickets but they no longer go to games. You can get a niner ticket just asking for it.
I think the fact that the Raiders don’t sell out and aren’t on TV helps the niners because the NFL doesn’t want both teams blacked out in this market.
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The niners sellout games not because fans buy the tickets. The whiners sellout games because their corporate sponsors step in and buy remaining tickets so that they can have the team they advertise through to be shown on television. Its a simple difference of location, if the Raiders played in sf and sf played in oakland, the Raiders would get the better sponsors. This reason pisses me off more than anything every time I hear niners fans spout off about how they support their team so much more than us Raiders fans do.
January 25th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Olinesux,
His eyes are probably just all bloodshot, red and watery because he’s been crying. In case you missed his 60 minutes interview, it doesn’t take much to send ‘ol John reaching for the Kleenex. LOL.
He’s very much in touch with his femenine side, and inner feelings. Sniff Sniff.
January 25th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
LOL. This shills are pointing toward Breshnehan, so it will probably be him. They always seem to know, don’t they? Anyhow, I just hope Al doesn’t even remotely credit Breshnehan for the success between ‘00-02 when rehiring him, because I’ll laugh so hard it will hurt.
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LOL well none of us would be surprised, but still, I dont think Al would, we all know HE was the reason for the ‘00-02 success, or at least the puppets and his royal Al-ness think so
January 25th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
i bet thats what it is….as for raiders in LA, its always a possibilty they have more fans in san diego and in LA….remember rozelle didnt let al take the team in the first place…
January 25th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Not to mention that fact that pretty much every major company in sf holds season tickets to niners games to hand out to clients/employees. This is also the biggest reason why the Giants were able to build the stadium they had, every company has season tickets. Same reason why the A’s and Raiders struggle to sell tickets.
January 25th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
One nation under a groove,
Gettin’ down just for the funk of it
(Good God)
One nation and we’re on the move
Nothin’ can stop us now
(Aye aye aye aye aye)
Feet don’t fail me now
Give you more of what you’re funkin’ for
Feet don’t fail me now
Do you promise to funk?
The whole funk, nothin’ but the funk
January 25th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
During Bresnahan’s tenure, the Bengals ranked 28th, 30th, and 25th in yards allowed, out of 32 teams.
This doesn’t inspire confidence. However, we all no Cincy has no talent on the defensive side of the ball.
If I am not mistaken, Chuck was fired during the coaching purge of 2003 and was replaced by Rob Ryan.
Rob Ryan was brought in to install the 3-4 under Norv Turner.
So Chuck may have stayed if not for Norv’s desire to run the 3-4.
January 25th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
we all know*
January 25th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Those sorporations are really footing a huge bill because that sucker is half empty every game. But I guess they’re paying for the advertising which makes sense. People are throwing niner tickets away. Like they used to in the late 70’s.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
the same is true for the warriors it’s all corporate money. i get great seats for less than half price.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Only 21 weeks left before pre-season starts.
I’m warming up the grill as we speak.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
1-on-1 with Coach Jackson
http://www.csnbayarea.com/01/25/11/Exclusive-1-on-1-with-Raiders-coach-Hue-/landing_raiders.html?full_args=01/25/11/Exclusive-1-on-1-with-Raiders-coach-Hue-/landing_raiders&blockID=397875&feedID=2801
January 25th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
The economy has killed this market, Only a few have the disposable income to buy season tickets. That’s why evenscalpers are struggling standing around begging people to buy their tickets for something close to face value.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Seems like it’s not just the Raiders as far as bad attendance goes in Oakland. I recall being shocked to hear the A’s attendance during their glory years of the early/mid 70’s. Just barely broke 1 mill.fans and this was a GREAT team.
You guys that live out there know better than me the reason for this, but just out of curiosity is there ANYWHERE Al could move the team and they would get support? As in sell out games?
Not saying Al should move, just curious.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Aquaman, cut the b.s. You’re blaming Breshnehan for the prevent failing on his watch when any 3 year old knows Al Davis is the king of prematurely going to the prevent. He’s died by doing it so many times most fans have lost count. For a more recent example, watch the highlights of SD @ Raiders, 2009.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Rob Ryan was brought in to install the 3-4 under Norv Turner.
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Wait a sec. I thought Al Davis decides what is run and what isn’t when it comes to the Raider D.???
January 25th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Why would Breshnahan even consider coming back to the “Oakland Penitentiary”? I thought all coaches can’t wait to get outta here, now we have a guy that will come back?
January 25th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
# buckeyeraider Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Just not sure why you’re so down on it (Breshnehan returning as DC). it’s a throwback to the Gruden era.
…….
Oh, yeah. So would be Anthony Dorsett Jr. and David Dunn. Heck, let’s really make this a Gruden era reunion and bring in…drumroll….Bobby Hoying!
Saying Breshnehan is a throwback to the Gruden era is like having a Cosby Show reunion with the only actor appearing being the guy who played Rudy’s friend, Bud.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
I could see the Vikings moving to LA. It’d be the second time a pro franchise moved there.
Named for the states being the home of “10,000 lakes” The Minneapolis Lakers moved there many yrs. ago.
I don’t like the sound of “LA Vikings” though.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
What was Zack Crockett doing with Hue Jackson in that video? he must be scouting for us now, or on the coaching staff one or the other?
January 25th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Utah “Jazz” has got to be the most mismatched team nick name in sports.
You don’t think hip and jazzy when u think of Utah.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
# olinesux Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
boehner looks like he is stoned….
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He’s just irritated that a slave is standing in front of him and speaking like a man.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
i read a article somewhere that he was scouting for the raiders
January 25th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
The Jazz started off in New Orleans, didn’t they? Being in Utah they should change their names to the Utah Recovering Porn Addicts.
January 25th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
whatever it is, the look suits him….
January 25th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Seems like it’s not just the Raiders as far as bad attendance goes in Oakland. I recall being shocked to hear the A’s attendance during their glory years of the early/mid 70’s. Just barely broke 1 mill.fans and this was a GREAT team.
You guys that live out there know better than me the reason for this, but just out of curiosity is there ANYWHERE Al could move the team and they would get support? As in sell out games?
Not saying Al should move, just curious.
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Al Davis in the equation is a deal breaker. He cannot get a new stadium under current management.
Did you see his face on TV? Nobody is going to invest in that.
LA won’t have him back, they’ve made that clear, in statements and City Council resolutions.
January 25th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Whatever happened to the rumors of Al being in “failing health”? That was like 6 yrs. ago.
To look at him you would think that he actually is.
Not to bum anybody out, but I would’nt be shocked if we woke up one morning and saw the ESPN scroll making “the announcement”.
Not saying it’s gonna happen, just saying I wouldn’t be shocked.
He did not look well.
January 25th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Then why are people doing it everyday. I know several people in sales over there and some aren’t but others are they just need to make the playoffs…………..period
January 25th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Winning solves everything in sports.
When Hue said “we will win this division” was he meaning this year, or eventually? Would have been a good follow up question for “Jer”.
January 25th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Why the Raider hate in LA? Raiders should get some props for bringing a Super Bowl to the town. Something the Rams were unable to do.
And how did they expect to bring in the fans playing at the Coliseum?
January 25th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I don’t mean to say I don’t get the animosity for the Raiders in LA but the town didn’t exactly roll out the red carpet either.
January 25th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Boy, the Lakers are destroying the “Recovering Porn Addicts” tonight. Mercy!
January 25th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
You make it sound like all the Raiders did was win Super Bowls in LA. Should a woman stay with a guy who hits her because he once gave her a nice ring? You know what? Don’t even answer that. I forgot what kind of crowd I’m dealing with.
January 25th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
123.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
lol.
Kell, JFB is a Democrat, remember?
It’s pretty sad that Republicans still win elections even when most Republican voters are too embarrassed to admit they’re Republicans.
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Republican
January 25th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
I meant Republicans who have dignity.
January 25th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
LMAO, MR yer one funny dude. We gotta catch a game this year.
January 25th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
dignity
true I is a RAIDER fan. and most the world thinks RAIDER fan have no dignity so…
January 25th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
LA would take the raiders back despite what the city council might say…
January 25th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
MR I got your birthday gift a lil early.
http://img696.imageshack.us/i/aldavis.jpg/sr=1
January 25th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/926/fatguyjk4.jpg
January 25th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Are there any good quarterbacks out there that we can get?
January 25th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Raccoon, I’m not going anywhere, so you should learn to like me.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Roethlisberger: drafted
Rodgers: drafted
Sanchez: drafted
Cutler: via trade
Brady: drafted
Flacco: drafted
Ryan: drafted
Hassleback: via trade
Those are the starting quarterbacks of the final 8 teams this year. Do you notice a pattern?
January 25th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Noteworthy-
starting QB of last year’s SB winner, Drew Brees, acquired via free agency. So, it’s not that you can’t win someone who wasn’t homegrown. But you can see what the smart play is.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Obviously the top teams have some talent at QB. We’re not going anywhere with Campbell. We need a QB.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Kirk Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Are there any good quarterbacks out there that we can get?
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Looks like Palmer has finally tired of Cincy. I say we should go after him! A clear upgrade over any one of the QBs on our roster.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Ravens won a QB with Dilfer.
Giants, Raiders, Cards, and Seahawks went to the SB with QBs they didn’t draft.
Saints won a SB with Brees.
Last decade: 6 teams went to SB with QBs they didn’t draft, and 2 won SBs.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
SB winners
Brees- free agency
Roethlisberger- drafted
E. Manning- drafted
P. Manning- drafted
Roethlisberger- drafted
Brady – drafted
Brady – drafted
Brad Johnson – free agency or trade?
Brady -drafted
Dilfer- FA or trade
Warner- walk on
Elway- drafted
Elway- drafted
Favre- trade
Aikman- drafted
S. Young – free agent
Aikman-drafted
Aikman-drafted
Rypien? Have no idea, i think free agent
Hostetler- drafted
Montana-drafted
Montana- drafted
Doug Williams -FA
Phil Simms – drafted
Jim McMahon -drafted
Montana-drafted
Plunkett – free agent
Theisman – free agent
Montana-drafted
Plunkett- free agent
January 25th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
The QB doesn’t’ have to be drafted. He just has to be good. None of our QBs qualify. LOL
January 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Cincy is saying officially that they have no intention of trading Palmer despite Palmer’s request.
“We will not entertain any requests for a trade for Carson Palmer”.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
I guess if your goal is to merely get to the Super Bowl and lose, a QB you didn’t draft gives you a decent shot. If your goal is to win, however, you’re clearly better off drafting a franchise QB.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Djohnnyg – They can say that until they’re blue in the face. It’s what they’re supposed to say. Fact is, if they get an offer they like, they pull the trigger. Have no doubt about it.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
I forgot to add TB to my prev post. They won it with Johnson.
I’m trying to forget that game!
January 25th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Also, this year’s SB winner will be a drafted homegrown QB, as well.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
I’ve accounted for Brad Johnson. Doesn’t go far to refute my point.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
I’m not going to figure it out now, but the Super Bowls which featured drafted QBs versus undrafted QBs would probably go convincingly in the favor of drafted QBs.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Not to mention, all NFL games featuring drafted vs. non drafted QBs. Bet you it’s overwhelmingly in the drafted QB’s favor. Almost every statistic imaginable supports the theory that if a franchise QB is available in the draft, and you don’t already have a great QB, you take him, without question.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
According to you:
Last 30 SBs winners:
19 drafted QBs
11 were not drafed by the teams they won with it.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Frave wasn’t drafted, Steve Young wasn’t drafted, Johnnie Untitas wasn’t drafted. Stabler drafted Plunkett not. Mark Ripien wasn’t drafted, Doug Williams wasn’t drafted, The diference is the darfted QB’s normally won several SB’s like Montana, Bradshaw, Brady and Elway. That’s true with Big Ben as well.
There are way too many examples where FA’s or traded QB’s came and won SB’s.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Last years qb wasn’t drafted Drew Brees
January 25th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Raider O, your point being? Seems like you’re making my point. You have a much better chance of winning the Super Bowl with a drafted QB than an undrafted one. A 2/3 chance, per the numbers YOU just posted. Thanks for the support. I’ll never need to hire a stat boy with you around.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
priest, with all due respect, both points in your previous 2 comments were already accounted for.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Is joe cullen the coach that got busted in detroit for dui and going through a wendy’s drive through naked?
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I can’t believe it took that long for someone to remember.
Yet another coach that was one everyone’s hot list
January 25th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
priest and Raider O, I’m sorry, but anecdotal evidence doesn’t beat empirical data. It’s like the “my brother’s roommate’s best friend’s cousin was there and saw it!”. Just doesn’t fly.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Statistics say that the Raiders would be better off taking the best QB available on the board and grooming him for the starting job in 3 years, or less, if necessary, than making Campbell the long term answer. No matter who that QB is or where he went to school.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Bottom line is teams RARELY dump good QBs. Very rare. If a QB is available for relatively cheap its usually because there is something very wrong with his game or he’s old.
That being said anything is possible in this league.
But the best way to get a true franchise QB and take advantage of his prime years for 8 to 10 years or more is to draft and develop him.
the Raiders have been downright awful developing QBs. And its this and the coaching turnover that has put the team in the hole.
Hopefully JC can be the guy.
I wouldn’t waste time with Palmer or VY. What’s the point in swapping out discarded QBs. At some point these receivers need to develop SOMETHING resembling timing with a QB
January 25th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Reason:
Teams normally don’t trade great QBs, and they don’t let them become FAs.
January 25th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
I’d like you geniuses to name one team that’s great at drafting great QB’s at the most any of them have only had 2 over a 40 year period. Pitt 2, dallas 2 Niners 1, Raiders 1, great QB don’t grow on trees kiddies.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
[...] The pair have already spoken according to the Oakland Tribune’s Jerry McDonald, but it’s unclear as to how serious the talks actually were. [...]
January 25th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Being able to develop QB talent is definitely an advantage for teams that are good year in and year out. Like Pittsburgh.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
priest, what team wins super bowls habitually with undrafted QBs (in recent memory)? I’m assuming by “great” you mean winning Super Bowls, btw.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Colts only had Manning, Unitas was a FA. Green Bay 1 Rodgers, Starr was trade and so was Farve. Rams 0, NY Giants 2, Minn 1, Saints 1 ManningSR,
They don’t grow on trees!
January 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
The only point I made regarding drafted vs. undrafted QBs is that you have a MUCH HIGHER chance of winning a SB with a drafted, homegrown QB, and I’ve backed that point up extensively, with some help from Raider O. LOL. Thanks again, ol pal.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Sorry Raider O I wasn’t demeaning you.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Priest, do NFL teams have a better chance of winning a Super Bowl with a QB acquired from another team, or a homegrown QB?
January 25th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Unitas was a FA.
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So friggin what, he went undrafted. He was developed by Baltimore, as a undrafted FA
What’s your point?
January 25th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Priesttj,
No they don’t grow on trees. But if you want a team that can stay on top for 10 years or more….usually you will need a QB that is in his prime for 10 years.
Teams like the Vikings, Raiders, Cardinals were given a temporary reprieve from plodding with free agent pickups only to plunge back into the depths of terrible once the past the prime former QB star expired after 2 seasons.
Again, anything is possible. But the best way is to draft and develop your own QBs.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Kell, his point is that drafting QBs is stupid and doesn’t work, and it was refuted before he even entered the conversation.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
SnB, just point to the stats. Much better chance of winning a SB with a drafted, homegrown QB than with one acquired otherwise.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
You increase your chances of getting Super Bowl titles by having longer stretches of winning competitive football.
Problem with the vikings, raiders and cardinals is that they were only able to muster 1 or 2 years of winning competitive football.
A good QB for several years is a prerequisite for having a long-term competitive team.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
“We’re not losers anymore
January 25th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
That is beside my point, SnB. My point is that a team has a much better, read, much better chance of winning a Super Bowl with a drafted, homegrown QB than with an undrafted QB, either traded for, or acquired as FA or walk on. FACT. Indisputable.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
BHP,
It’s all good bro.
My point is simple:
More teams won SBs with QBs they drafted because good QBs (normally) don’t get trader or let go (become FAs).
Very Simple!
January 25th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
I agree Raider O very simple…but anyway you can get ‘em get ‘em. Rams never turned down the SB’s because Theirs ws tarded for. Roman Gabriel was drafted by the Raiders and he was awesome.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Players the Raiders observed today at Sr. Bowl
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Observations/Tuesday.php
Allen Bailey
Roy Helu Jr
Joe Lefeged
Kendric Burney
Casey Matthews
January 25th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Who the hell cares how you got ‘em is my point. Just get’em…
January 25th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Later Nation.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Much better chance of winning a SB with a drafted QB, that’s my point, backed extensively with facts. So, I do care how we get ‘em. It’s clearly better to get ‘em in the draft, and that’s an indisputable fact.
January 25th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
If I won 3 SB’s with a guy I traded for I couldn’t care less they still count is my point……….period
January 26th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Anecdotal, priest.
Bottom line, a team has a MUCH BETTER CHANCE winning a Super Bowl with a drafted, home grown QB than otherwise. Fact. Indisputable. No way around it. You can distract from it, but you can’t dispute it.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:16 am
[...] The pair have already spoken according to the Oakland Tribune’s Jerry McDonald, but it’s unclear as to how serious the talks actually were. [...]
January 26th, 2011 at 1:47 am
there have only been 28 QBs that have won a Super Bowl.
Of those ten have won at least 2;
of those 4four have won at least 3;
of those two have won 4.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:58 am
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Bresnahan, most recently the defensive coordinator of the Florida Tuskers of the UFL,
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Perfect fit. No other NFL options. Now Davis can low-ball him. Ooooooh.
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No doubt.
The perfect fit for Al is a DC who follows Al’s vintage game plan circa 1970.
Any deviationfore-blitzing, zone, etc-and the only thing you’re going to see is the exit.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:59 am
* Any deviation-blitzing, zone, etc-and the only thing you’re going to see is the exit.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Hey an old blast from the past. Sanjay Lal calls Al “Coach Davis” as well. No wonder he is still around.
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LOl.
There had to be some reason other than coaching.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:05 am
It used to be that even if you lived in the Bay Area you couldn’t buy a ticket to a Raider game.
If you wanted to buy season tickets they put your name on a “list” but basically you had to inherit them from a relative.
Now the mighty, arrogant,dominat, swaggering Raiders have 22,000 season ticket holders.
Gee, I wonder why.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:28 am
228.confucius400 Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
“We’re not losers anymore
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Because we’re not playing anymore …
Way to go, Nostrodamus Cable!
January 26th, 2011 at 4:31 am
When the draft comes, go O-line, D-line and hard-hitting, fast defensive backs. Time to turn our backs on the flash-and-dash approach and, instead, “build a bully”!!
January 26th, 2011 at 4:57 am
Hey Nation:
On this date, thirty yeas ago, Raiders get their epic win over the Eagles in Super Bowl XV — and the hostages return home. Holla if you remember!
January 26th, 2011 at 4:57 am
We do big things!!!
January 26th, 2011 at 4:58 am
years
January 26th, 2011 at 5:06 am
Reading the Senior Bowl practice notes, gets me hyped for the draft.
Didn’t watch anywhere near the college football I usually do, so I have some catching up to do.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:06 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
January 26th, 2011 at 5:07 am
Vegas, when is the Senior Bowl game?? Sat.??
ProBowl….Sun.??
January 26th, 2011 at 5:24 am
I believe it is Saturday evening.
The practices are being shown on NFLN throughout the week, if you want to get real nerdy about it, lol.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:38 am
# Raider75 Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Players the Raiders observed today at Sr. Bowl
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Observations/Tuesday.php
Allen Bailey
Roy Helu Jr
Joe Lefeged
Kendric Burney
Casey Matthews
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Interesting….a 3-4 DE, a running back to replace Bush, two DB’s and an inside LB for the 3-4.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:41 am
171.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 25th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
The Jazz started off in New Orleans, didn’t they? Being in Utah they should change their names to the Utah Recovering Porn Addicts.
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I think the “Salt lake City Polygamists” would be a better (and tighter) fit!
January 26th, 2011 at 5:41 am
I think we will have to look hard at some RB’s in the 4th-7th round range as a plan B in case Bush jets out of town.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:52 am
255.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 5:41 am
I think we will have to look hard at some RB’s in the 4th-7th round range as a plan B in case Bush jets out of town.
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We need to see if we can get back into the first round, so we can pick up a solid o-line or d-line player.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:56 am
We are doomed.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:57 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Casey Matthews would be a good pickup! In a losing effort, that guy was a beast in the BCS Championship! Plus all year…
January 26th, 2011 at 5:57 am
And Al’s atavistic approach will send us plunging even further into the rectal-abyss of the NFL.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:59 am
If Chuck B. is the new DC we are VERY DOOMED…would rather have the dude who went through the drive through at TACO BELL wasted and naked ha ha.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:00 am
What trading chips do we have to move up??
What players under contract do we have that we want to get rid of, and would be desirable to teams?
To move up 20 spots from mid 2nd to late 1st, will cost us at least a 3rd round pick, and we already don’t have a 4th next year.
Not worth it, IMO, to give away a player (potential draftee) just to move up into the late first.
Plenty of solid O-line and D-line players to be had in the 3rd and 4th rounds anyways.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:00 am
Senior Bowl: Raiders interested in:
RB Roy Helu
CB Kendric Burney
DL Allen Bailey
SS Joe Lefeged
ILB Casey Matthews
Bailey is a late 1st/2nd rounder, the others are 4-5 rounders.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:03 am
We pick best in the 4th to 7th rounds. Maybe we should TRADE DOWN!
January 26th, 2011 at 6:04 am
thats true
January 26th, 2011 at 6:05 am
Trade that 2nd for a 3 lower picks.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:07 am
Casey Matthews is awfully small for an ILB.
I think teams will pass on him for a few rounds, because not many teams are looking for a 230 pound ILB.
He is worth the “risk” in the mid rounds, but I would be suprised if he was drafted in the first 3 rounds.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:14 am
“He’s my son,” said Hue Jackson to Bengals.com when asked about his former pupil. “I like him as a young man and really admire what he’s done in Cincinnati and I want to stay in touch with him because I have great respect for him.”
January 26th, 2011 at 6:15 am
What trading chips do we have to move up??
What players under contract do we have that we want to get rid of, and would be desirable to teams?
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JFB,
Chaz Schilens
Cooper Carlisle
Trevor Scott
Quentin Groves
Chris Johnson
January 26th, 2011 at 6:20 am
Chaz Schilens
Cooper Carlisle
Trevor Scott
Quentin Groves
Chris Johnson
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CJ probably has the highest trade value of the bunch. If Scott wasn’t coming off a knee injury he might have some value. I am positive Carlisle will be used like Kirk was last year, as a trading chip to move up maybe 15 spots in the 4th round.
None of those guys are going to move the meter.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:21 am
Good Morning AM crew!
how long before the Raiders deny interest in DC candidates Chuck Bresnahan, Joe Cullen, Dennis Thurman, Keith Butler, Winston Moss & Mike Trgovac … and then name one of them Defensive Coordinator a week later ???
January 26th, 2011 at 6:24 am
“He’s my son,” said Hue Jackson to Bengals.com when asked about his former pupil.
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Hue Jackson @ChadOchoCinco “Who’s your daddy !?!?!?!”
January 26th, 2011 at 6:24 am
Whoever our next DC will be, I’m sure Schefter will let us know as soon as it come privy to him.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:25 am
Chuck Cecil & Kurt Schottenheimer could also be longshot DC candidates …
January 26th, 2011 at 6:33 am
the National Football Post is reporting that we have actually interviewed Chuck Bresnahan for the DC job!
Jerry Mac says
“A source said Jackson has spoken with Bresnahan, although it’s not known how serious the level of interest is on either side.”
Hmmmm
January 26th, 2011 at 6:35 am
Yeah but I don’t think Kurt will come here due to the ovious…although that would be funny wouldn’t it?
January 26th, 2011 at 6:35 am
Chuck Bresnahan, Chuck Cecil, the naked guy, Rob Ryan…..
Not that list of candidates I was looking for. I would just as soon promote Waufel.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:35 am
MOBILE, Ala. — Miami Dolphins assistant head coach and secondary coach Todd Bowles wowed Arizona Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt during an interview for the defensive coordinator vacancy, according to league sources with knowledge of the situation.
Bowles’ interview was impressive, according to sources, and he’s considered an extremely strong candidate to land the job.
Bowles interviewed with the Dallas Cowboy for their defensive coordinator job previously this offseason.
-Aaron Wilson
January 26th, 2011 at 6:37 am
Defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau is expected to remain in Pittsburgh, but linebackers coach Keith Butler has consistently been linked to the Cardinals as a possibility.
However, Butler is under contract. And his current deal includes a provision that he’ll be able to take over for LeBeau whenever he retires.
-Aaron Wilson
January 26th, 2011 at 6:39 am
I’m ready for Ocho. A change of scenary for him is needed, and there is no doubt in my mind he would improve our team for a few years.
Things might end with Chad crashing and burning, but I would give Cincy next years 3rd rounder for him if we had to.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:50 am
I think it’s more likely that the Raiders try to pick up T.O. for one year (although I hate his freakin’ guts!)
January 26th, 2011 at 7:02 am
The little I know about the Senior Bowl players the Raiders are looking at…
Allen Bailey: Projects as 3-4 end best. Weighed in at 278, so he would be a LDE in a 4-3. Would probably need to trade up to get him. If Seymour bails and they move Houston to 3-technique, Bailey could be a good replacement at end. Tough guy, good motor, stout against the run.
Roy Helu Jr: Don’t know much, except that he’s 6 foot, 220 and is a physical runner. Possible MBush replacement.
Casey Matthews: Plays inside at Oregon, probably too light to play to the position in the NFL. Have to think the Raiders are looking at him for the weakside. Had 6 passes defensed and 3 interceptions, so he seems like he could handle the coverage duties.
January 26th, 2011 at 7:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 6:39 am
I’m ready for Ocho. A change of scenary for him is needed, and there is no doubt in my mind he would improve our team for a few years.
Things might end with Chad crashing and burning, but I would give Cincy next years 3rd rounder for him if we had to.
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I’m with you. I hadn’t liked the idea before, but eff it…bring in Ocho. Give Campbell at least one other legit target besides Jacoby. I have to think HueJax could handle him if anyone could.
I wouldn’t give up more than a 4th rounder, though. Hell, Santonio Holmes is twice the receiver at this point and he only brought a 5th.
January 26th, 2011 at 7:07 am
New post!
January 26th, 2011 at 7:58 am
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January 26th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
FTLOG Do NOT hire Bresnahan!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
[...] The pair have already spoken according to the Oakland Tribune’s Jerry McDonald, but it’s unclear as to how serious the talks actually were. [...]
January 26th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
[...] The pair have already spoken according to the Oakland Tribune’s Jerry McDonald, but it’s unclear as to how serious the talks actually were. [...]