Glazer: Raiders denied in bid to talk to Thurman
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, January 26th, 2011 at 10:31 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders requested permission to talk to New York Jets defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman about the vacant defensive coordinator position but were told no, according to the Twitter account of Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer.
(Yes, I’m pretty sure this is the real Jay Glazer, unlike the erroneous information I passed along Wednesday).
Thurman was on the Baltimore Ravens’ staff with Hue Jackson before joining the New York Jets in 2009 and also worked with Jackson for a year on the USC staff in 2000.
Teams can deny permission to speak to coaches even in the case of a promotion unless it is for a head coaching job.
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January 26th, 2011 at 10:33 am
I’m rooting for Winston Moss.
January 26th, 2011 at 10:34 am
RaiderRockstar @HueJackson good morning Hue. the Jets are shady denying us permission to interview Thurman!
6 minutes ago via web
January 26th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Teams can deny permission to speak to coaches even in the case of a promotion unless it is for a head coaching job.
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solves that. Thanks Jer!
January 26th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Deuce,
What’s to call? I mean the “Big Nickle” probably has to go. But the doggone defense looks just about the same year in and year out. Except this year the Raiders got better play on the D-Line.
Its not like the Raiders are going to bring in some big time DC that bring in innovation and diversity to the playcalling, formations and use of players.
The only way the Raider defense gets better is getting another big-time shutdown CB to play opposite Nnamdi.
Otherwise, its more of the same….oh and if they lose Nnamdi, forget it. 31st ranked defense here we come
January 26th, 2011 at 10:36 am
AS far as DC. The Raiders just need a coach that understands the 4-3. That’s all
January 26th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Jason Campbell is the QB next year. Bringing in Vince Young? ARe you serious? AFter the JaDavis debacle.
Listen carefully. The Raiders are not the place for undisciplined players and its not for those who are not self-motivated.
Why is Tennessee getting rid of VY?
SEriously, Raider fans look at things with rose colored glasses
January 26th, 2011 at 10:37 am
ray,
HueJackson Hue Jackson
@ @RaiderRockstar shady to say the least
7 minutes ago Favorite Reply
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LOL!
January 26th, 2011 at 10:37 am
It’s crazy that a team can deny a coach the right to interview for a promotion with another team.
January 26th, 2011 at 10:38 am
SnB Production Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:31 am
AS far as DC. The Raiders just need a coach that understands the 4-3. That’s all
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The literal play calls have been our weakness.. The system works when given the right players. Last year was an example…
How many times did Marshall call the damn zone and we get burned by it..
January 26th, 2011 at 10:42 am
I_Smoke_Crack @RaiderRockstar @HueJackson RR,..thats not really him, dont be so gullible. #Huehasnoaccount
January 26th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Hue said on a radio interview the day after the presser…he has no tweeter!
January 26th, 2011 at 10:44 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
The system works when given the right players.
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That’s about it. If Stanford Routt can make a tackle on that outside run the defense wins against j’ville…..or if the other 4 DBs could cover their man…while Nnamdi shuts down his side..
THe system is set. Just like the d-line. It came down to getting better players to replace Money Warren and Terdell Sands.
The scheme is set man. ain’t changing
January 26th, 2011 at 10:44 am
r8eray Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Hue said on a radio interview the day after the presser…he has no tweeter!
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But does he have a Twitter?…lol
January 26th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Many DCs probably want more freedom than Al Davis will allow.
January 26th, 2011 at 10:46 am
I’m your newest follower RR!
January 26th, 2011 at 10:46 am
SnB Production Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:44 am
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Agree.
I think the D is only a couple players and player progression away.
January 26th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Hue said on a radio interview the day after the presser…he has no tweeter!
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Really?
jokes on me I guess!
January 26th, 2011 at 10:52 am
THe Raider OC needs to be X’s and O’s…but the rest of the coaching staff need to be excellent motivators and great teachers of technique.
Especially on defense. Just coach up technique and find a way to stop the penalties.
They don’t need a big-time defensive coach. Just a good teacher. X’s and O’s are set
January 26th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Just like Nnamdi doe not have one either and someone was posting as him (@MrAsomugha)…Huff came on and said that the person was a fraud because Nnam has no twitter…LOL
January 26th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Al Davis is on Twitter now, as well!
http://twitter.com/veryfakealdavis
January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
I just created my account last night.
still learning!
January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Raiders run defense rank since 2002:
2010 – 29th
2009 – 29th
2008 – 31st
2007 – 31st
2006 – 25th
2005 – 25th
2004 – 22nd
2003 – 32nd
2002 – 3rd
One of those things is not like the other. Also, one of those years we went to the Super Bowl.
One conclusion and one question is raised by this data. The conclusion: Stop the run and win games. The question: why has the team been incapable of stopping the run?
January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Only a top ten quarterback will take us to the Superbowl.
We need to upgrade out quarterback position.
Can anyone here actually imagine Jason Campbell taking us to the Superbowl?
January 26th, 2011 at 10:59 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Raiders run defense rank since 2002:
2010 – 29th
2009 – 29th
2008 – 31st
2007 – 31st
2006 – 25th
2005 – 25th
2004 – 22nd
2003 – 32nd
2002 – 3rd
One of those things is not like the other. Also, one of those years we went to the Super Bowl.
One conclusion and one question is raised by this data. The conclusion: Stop the run and win games. The question: why has the team been incapable of stopping the run?
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Lack of discipline in maintaining gaps. We have shut down the best RBs in the league…then Boom….its all focus and gap control
January 26th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Kirk Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Only a top ten quarterback will take us to the Superbowl.
We need to upgrade out quarterback position.
Can anyone here actually imagine Jason Campbell taking us to the Superbowl?
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If Rex Grossman can lead a team to the Super Bowl then Jason Campbell sure can.
It all depends what your defintion of LEAD is…
January 26th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Lack of discipline in maintaining gaps. We have shut down the best RBs in the league…then Boom….its all focus and gap control
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That raises it’s own question: Why haven’t the different DC’s been able to instill gap discipline?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Kirk Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Only a top ten quarterback will take us to the Superbowl.
We need to upgrade out quarterback position.
Can anyone here actually imagine Jason Campbell taking us to the Superbowl?
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Can you Imagine Al Davis at a Super Bowl News Conference?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Can anyone here actually imagine Jason Campbell taking us to the Superbowl?
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that depends on what he has to work with at OL & WR
Right now?
not a chance in he11 …
January 26th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Hell if Baltimore’s in 01 and Tampa’s in 03 can lead them to super bowls and win, I think Campbell can (sorry mind went blank…Trent Dilfer and Rob Johnson???)
January 26th, 2011 at 11:04 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Lack of discipline in maintaining gaps. We have shut down the best RBs in the league…then Boom….its all focus and gap control
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That raises it’s own question: Why haven’t the different DC’s been able to instill gap discipline?
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Who knows. Maybe theyre teaching aggression so much the players try to make a play instead of maintain theyre position..
January 26th, 2011 at 11:04 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Hell if Baltimore’s in 01 and Tampa’s in 03 can lead them to super bowls and win, I think Campbell can (sorry mind went blank…Trent Dilfer and Rob Johnson???)
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Brad Johnson
January 26th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Campbell is down on the Raiders’s list of worries right now.
Upgrade the o-line. Get a legit #1 receiver. Find a weakside linebacker. Upgrade the secondary. Then maybe worry about Campbell.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:06 am
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Raiders run defense rank since 2002:
2010 – 29th
2009 – 29th
2008 – 31st
2007 – 31st
2006 – 25th
2005 – 25th
2004 – 22nd
2003 – 32nd
2002 – 3rd
One of those things is not like the other. Also, one of those years we went to the Super Bowl.
One conclusion and one question is raised by this data. The conclusion: Stop the run and win games. The question: why has the team been incapable of stopping the run?
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We run too much man2man D. All the great run D get help from their DB’s. Since we run a lot of man coverage, DB’s are always running w/ their backs towards the QB. That’s why mobile QB’s always kill us w/ those long runs.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Thanks Deuce! I knew it was a Johnson just didn’t know which one…
January 26th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The ideal QB is the drafted guy who is developed in house and plays in his prime for your team for 10 to 12 years.
The Raiders organization is not built for that.
So Jason Campbell is the best they can do. He has the right attitude and has some talent. Lots of flaws too..but beggars can’t be choosers.
Bringing in another retread is a waste of time. The best bet is to see if this guy can develop some chemistry with the young receivers and coaches and depend on the running game
January 26th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The bad run defense is due to the scheme and the talent.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Rob Johnson played with Oakland in 2003
January 26th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Rob Johnson played with Oakland in 2003
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stop it Lynn!
I’m still trying to block out that nightmare!
January 26th, 2011 at 11:11 am
The Raiders organization is not built for that.
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Why not?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:13 am
SnB Production Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The ideal QB is the drafted guy who is developed in house and plays in his prime for your team for 10 to 12 years.
The Raiders organization is not built for that.
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Why not, wouldn’t you want to build an organization like that?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:14 am
The Jets reportedly denied the Raiders’ request to interview DBs coach Dennis Thurman for their defensive coordinator vacancy.
No word yet on the Jets’ reasoning for denying Thurman a shot at a promotion. The Raiders have reportedly already interviewed former Oakland DC Chuck Bresnahan. Jags DL coach Joe Cullen has been mentioned as a candidate, but he’s yet to meet with the Raiders.
Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter
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FK u Jets! And I was was actually rooting for you guys to beat the Squeelers. Wassup w/ Cecil in Tenn?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Can anyone here actually imagine Jason Campbell taking us to the Superbowl?
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Could anyone imagine the following QBs taking their teams to the Super Bowl?
Rex Grossman
Jake Delhomme
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins
Neil O’Donnell
Stan Humphries
Jeff Hostetler
Some have had a good season or two, but none of these guys could be considered top tier QBs.
Depends on the team around you and if you can move the chains.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:15 am
@DMAC
Jets?
Play a lot of man to man and rank 3rd in least amount of rushing yards?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:16 am
No gap discipline on the defensive line with all man-to-man behind = recipe for disaster.
More gap discipline on the defensive line, more OLB blitzes, and more MLB spying on QBs and RBs (instead of in man coverage against TEs and WRs), maybe even some two-deep safety sets here and there? All of a sudden you’re looking at a defense that can get a lot more done.
The Raiders’ DL obviously has the talent to rush the passer whenever they want. The question is whether they can also have the discipline to keep the OL off of the linebackers, and keep RBs from making great cutback runs for big gains.
Anyone know much about the scene the back seven of the Giants played when Waufle was the DL coach there?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:17 am
scheme** not scene… too high…
January 26th, 2011 at 11:19 am
KoolKell,
You need consistent coaching, build talent around the QB, nurture his development.
The Raiders owner has not displayed the patience to sticking with a coach. Said owner has admitted to many mistakes with coaches as well.
In addition, the ability to surround the young QB with talent is lacking. JaDavis was terrible…but he was also given a shhh o-line (Kwame Harris LOL), two rookie receivers, one of which still can’t catch, Justin Fargas.
Aaron Rogers would have busted out here with the Bed-n-Breakfast…
The Raiders are low % home run hitters. Think Rob Deer or Dave Kingman. They are going to try and find that big free agent to fill the gap, a veteran to pull it all together and self-motivated players that don’t need a lot of direction.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Jags DL coach Joe Cullen has been mentioned as a candidate, but he’s yet to meet with the Raiders.
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Good…I don’t want his drunk@$$ here!!!
Isn’t he a registered sex offender?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:23 am
# DutchRaider77 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:15 am
@DMAC
Jets?
Play a lot of man to man and rank 3rd in least amount of rushing yards?
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Jets run a 3-4
+ they blitz
January 26th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Again, Vikings and Cardinals are textbook cases of risk and reward with vets past their prime.
You might get a high level of play for a year or two tops…but once that guy retires…your team is done.
Do you want Brett Favre for 1 or 2 years….or a Aaron Rogers for 12 years? That’s why the Packers are in the Super Bowl and the Vikings on their way to LA
January 26th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Al doesn’t have time to nurture a young QB. Not his M.O., never has been. One time in in 40 years he tries it, he ends up with that schmuck Russell.
Now it’s never gonna happen again under the Davis regime.
Who cares, as long as a winner can be found.
I was adamanetly against Campbell, but if Hue can turn lemons into lemonade, all we gotta worry about is nurturing a Lombardi Trophy.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Mike Trgovac is another GB coach I would want the Raiders to look at for DC.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Free agent SLB Chad Greenway is expected to be “at the top of the list” of priorities for the Vikings this offseason.
Greenway led the Vikes with 149 tackles while playing 96.9 percent of the defensive snaps. As one of the league’s top 4-3 outside linebackers, Greenway will draw plenty of interest on the open market.
Source: ESPN 1500 Twin Cities
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What if we let Nnamdi walk and use the $$$$$$$$$ on Greenway and Joseph (cb) or Marshall (cb)
Seems like an upgrade to me.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Ray,
I think the Raiders would consider Chuck B or Cecil before Joe Cullen … but you never know
that Jags D-Line was harrassing JCamp all day in that game that cost Cable his job (without Kampman!)
January 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am
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January 26th, 2011 at 11:29 am
SnB
You’re so diplomatic. We already know the Raiders are not a Institute for higher learning.
The Raiders organization is organized around one thing, the aggrandizement of Al Davis, period.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:32 am
PA,
Where did you get the info on who we’re looking at in the Senior Bowl?
Only player I found we were looking at is Allen Bailey.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:32 am
50.LA to TheBay Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Al doesn’t have time to nurture a young QB. Not his M.O., never has been. One time in in 40 years he tries it, he ends up with that schmuck Russell.
Now it’s never gonna happen again under the Davis regime.
Who cares, as long as a winner can be found.
I was adamanetly against Campbell, but if Hue can turn lemons into lemonade, all we gotta worry about is nurturing a Lombardi Trophy.
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All free agent QBs are lemons. Otherwise they wouldn’t be on the market.
Its on Hue to make a nice beverage
January 26th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Jay_Glazer (twitter)
Q: Wouldn’t Thurman be bugged by that? Not getting a chance for a possible raise?
A: No, he loves workin w Rex
January 26th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Goodell says he and his #2 will reduce their salaries to $1 if no CBA is reached before the deadline, admitting that if he ain’t doing his job he shouldn’t be paid (these guys are already multimillionaires so what do they care) – imagine if all the empty suits and overpaid persons of this world reduced their salaries to $1 because of failure or ineptitude -
January 26th, 2011 at 11:35 am
What if we let Nnamdi walk and use the $$$$$$$$$ on Greenway and Joseph (cb) or Marshall (cb)
Seems like an upgrade to me.
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Sounds like more reloading. You will have to pay all three a ton of money.
How about paying Nnamdi a $10 to $12MM and siging one of the CBs above.
can’t be elite in all positions. Given the desire for strict man2man 90% of the time….I would rather invest in the CBs and D-Line and “get by” on the other defense positions.
Now if you change the scheme….then you can reduce the spend on the CBs
January 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am
KoolKell Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:29 am
SnB
You’re so diplomatic. We already know the Raiders are not a Institute for higher learning.
The Raiders organization is organized around one thing, the aggrandizement of Al Davis, period
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I think Al Davis wants to win. He thinks his way is the best way despite evidence to the contrary.
But your overall point is well taken. The bottom line is that Al Davis makes decisions that don’t allow for the development of a young QB or a long-lasting team in the era of free agency
This is a big offseason for Al Davis.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am
All free agent QBs are lemons. Otherwise they wouldn’t be on the market.
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Not neccecarily true. Backups with potential are signed or traded for. Cassell and Shaub come to mind, but I get your point.
Hue has worked well with WRs and QBs before.
Let’s see what he can do. I’m rather excited.
Very interested to see what we do about DC and O Line coach.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:38 am
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# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Teams can deny permission to speak to coaches even in the case of a promotion unless it is for a head coaching job.
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solves that. Thanks Jer!
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yup, a tinitiny part Terrapin also neglected to see, when he was sure Ravens’ Pagano stayed in baltimore..
January 26th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Jets deny Thurman permission to talk to Raiders: report: The Jets have denied the Raiders permission to talk to …
January 26th, 2011 at 11:43 am
I don’t blame the Jets. That team is a player or two away from the big show, and the guy is under contract.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:43 am
@puckhoo question? If HBO puts the Raiders on Hard Knocks next season, do they still pay Al Davis royalties on “Tales from the Crypt” ?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Jets deny Thurman permission to talk to Raiders
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Thats ok. Al will repay them w/ signing away Santonio Holmes.
January 26th, 2011 at 11:49 am
this whole thing just stinks becuase once again this is caused by Al Davis fostering a hostile environment for coaches in Alameda. I could see the Jets going to Thurman after the request was made and telling him:
“Look, we are gonna deny the Raider’s request and if you give us one more year; then after next season you will get offers from much better organizations and we wont deny those. Deal?”
January 26th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Denying permission to interview payback for tampering allegations by Raiders vs Rex Ryan for talking to Nnamdi last year?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:54 am
LA to TheBay Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am
All free agent QBs are lemons. Otherwise they wouldn’t be on the market.
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Not neccecarily true. Backups with potential are signed or traded for. Cassell and Shaub come to mind, but I get your point.
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True, but those backups were traded for very high draft picks by teams with established starters at the time.
Those are rare. The Raiders don’t get those types.
They get the true definition of retreads with baggage
January 26th, 2011 at 11:55 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Jay_Glazer (twitter)
Q: Wouldn’t Thurman be bugged by that? Not getting a chance for a possible raise?
A: No, he loves workin w Rex
……
Unless I heard this straight from Thurman I wouldn’t believe it.
If this guy has any aspirations of being a HC then a move up to DC would be huge.
Rex is doing this because Rob wasn’t allowed to be HC in Oakland. What a Douche!
January 26th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
The rumors behind OchoCinco’s name change…Oakland!
#85 DHB
Hue Daddy told him he better mature and that includes changing his name back to Johnson!
January 26th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Raiders run defense rank since 2002:
2010 – 29th
2009 – 29th
2008 – 31st
2007 – 31st
2006 – 25th
2005 – 25th
2004 – 22nd
2003 – 32nd
2002 – 3rd
One of those things is not like the other. Also, one of those years we went to the Super Bowl.
One conclusion and one question is raised by this data. The conclusion: Stop the run and win games. The question: why has the team been incapable of stopping the run?
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Two main differences between then and now.
1. 2002 we had one of the highest scoring teams in raider history. we would get on top of a team and they had to throw to catch up. That skewed the numbers.
2. Romo , the two woodsons, where excellent tacklers, along with danny clark. Seasoned veterans players. We have a lot of youth on this team, and poor tacklers in the secodary
January 26th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Hue’s your daddy
January 26th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Poor tackling in the secondary ? Did someone say Anthony Dorsett
January 26th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
2011 Senior Bowl
Rumors are the Oakland Raiders are targeting….
Kendric Burney, CB, North Carolina
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami
Roy Helu Jr., RB, Nebraska
Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon
January 26th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
People shake yourselves, we play mostly man to man, however we would mix the coverages, if our personnel could actually do it. The first few games of the year we got burned in cover 2 repeatedly, so they scrapped the zone. This falls directly on our horrible safety tandem.
Every team has a defensive staple or base, then you disguise, and change. Until we upgrade at safety we wont be able to do it.
Also our poor tackling from the secondary, and failure to fill by scott, then groves also really hurt the defense against the run.
Scheme has very little to do with it.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
“This falls directly on our horrible safety tandem.”
& “Also our poor tackling from the secondary”
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Not disagreeing with these statement…but I find it strange that the two worst tacklers lead the team in tackles? (Branch, Huff). I have heard these statements echoed by many people on the site, so not calling you out.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Can anyone here actually imagine Jason Campbell taking us to the Superbowl?
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Could anyone imagine the following QBs taking their teams to the Super Bowl?
Rex Grossman
Jake Delhomme
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins
Neil O’Donnell
Stan Humphries
Jeff Hostetler
Some have had a good season or two, but none of these guys could be considered top tier QBs.
Depends on the team around you and if you can move the chains
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You can add gannon to this list, he was garbage, and would have never been in the bowl had it not been for Davis/ Gruden Saving him and surrounding him with hof, and probowl talent.
By the way Jc is a better talent than every guy on this list. He is just 28, still has at least 6-8 good years left ahead of him.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
DMAC Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
2011 Senior Bowl
Rumors are the Oakland Raiders are targeting….
Kendric Burney, CB, North Carolina
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami
Roy Helu Jr., RB, Nebraska
Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon
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Source?…Link?…Proof??…..
lol jk…
January 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Sorry, Mistic.
Gannon was All Pro MVP.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Bailey and Matthews considered 3-4 guys, correct?
Interesting….
January 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Danny Clark did not join the Raiders until 2004. In hind sight, it was a bad mistake to let him go. Although he was lamenting about giving up football when he left the Raiders.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Deuece,
Here’s a link, but like I said… its all rumors
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/1/26/1957274/rumor-has-it-who-your-team-is-targeting-in-the-draft-senior-bowl
January 26th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Danny Clark did not join the Raiders until 2004. In hind sight, it was a bad mistake to let him go. Although he was lamenting about giving up football when he left the Raiders.
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Not clark beikert
January 26th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
post 30 and 33
seem to be thinking along the same page right or wrong/ saw mcclain overpersue at the beginning of the season, same msitake morrison made over and over/ and yes the rb seem to run right up behind the cb’s unnoticed in man coverage,
January 26th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
DMAC Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Deuece,
Here’s a link, but like I said… its all rumors
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/1/26/1957274/rumor-has-it-who-your-team-is-targeting-in-the-draft-senior-bowl
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Thanks man. I was jk…but thanks…wish i wasnt @ work and could click that…
January 26th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Sorry, Mistic.
Gannon was All Pro MVP.
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What was he before he joined the silver & black
Career back up, zero!
No he didnt have more talent or natural abilty than JC does.
We all remember the five int disaster in the superbowl, when he reverted to his true self
January 26th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Deuece,
Yeah I know. No hard feelings. Its all good.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
MOBILE, Ala. – New Raiders head coach Hue Jackson looked like a game show host when he showed up here at the Under Armour Senior Bowl’s North practice Tuesday morning as scouts and assistant coaches hailed and hugged him.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
You can add gannon to this list, he was garbage, and would have never been in the bowl had it not been for Davis/ Gruden Saving him and surrounding him with hof, and probowl talent.
By the way Jc is a better talent than every guy on this list. He is just 28, still has at least 6-8 good years left ahead of him.
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This is the single stupidest post in the history of this blog.
Gannon made the team, not the other way around. All Pro QBs tend to lead their teams to winning seasons. How would those teams have fared with Bobby Hoying or Tui at the helm?
Just wrong…
January 26th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Mistic,
Good call on Gannon. He was a reeeetreeead before the Raiders gave him a shot.
Unfortunately, like all vets, he only had a couple of years left in the tank.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Hue Jack City
January 26th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
The Raiders are one of the three teams Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco has talked about playing for (along with the Jets and Pats) and he calls Jackson the best wide receivers coach he’s ever had. Jackson can’t comment on Oakland as a possible landing spot.
But stay tuned.
“He’s my son,” Jackson said. “I like him as a young man and really admire what he’s done in Cincinnati and I want to stay in touch with him because I have great respect for him.”
January 26th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
If Jason Campbell can play anything like Brad Johnson in 2002 than we too can win a Super Bowl.
22 TD’s 6 picks and a 92+ passer rating.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Hue Jack City
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haha
Like that one.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Vince Young, Ochocinco….c’mon guys!
THe Raiders don’t do well with quirky guys or me-guys.
The Raiders just have to play their role and keep grinding this offense out with the players at hand.
If you bring in a veteran, please don’t bring in someone who is less mature than the doggone rookies.
DHB simply has to man up. Hopefully Schilens can stay healthy and Ford Murphy improve to make DHB a moot point. No Ochocino!
JC is the best we can do. A retread to be sure. But at least he won’t sabotage the team with mental games. The Raiders are paying for drafting JaDavis despite his bad workouts and being overweight.
Build up the defense and work DMAC and Bush with plenty of carries.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Hue Jackson felt undermined by Paul Hackett and couldnt wait to get him off the staff..
-Chris Hansen (twitter)
January 26th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Looks like Boise St Titus Young is blowing away the WR competition.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Hackett was the HC when Jackson was the OC at USC.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Sorry, Mistic.
Gannon was All Pro MVP.
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What was he before he joined the silver & black
Career back up, zero!
No he didnt have more talent or natural abilty than JC does.
We all remember the five int disaster in the superbowl, when he reverted to his true self
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Gannon showed quite a bit of potential in KC before they benched him and went one-and-done (starting a trend, lol).
You can credit the silver and black for his growth, but PLEASE, dude.
Gannon and Gruden were chiefly responsible for turning the organization around. Weeding out malcontents and attracting quality veteran FAs. Led by example, hard worker, very accurate.
Yeah, the SB was tough, but look who he played against.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
It went as far as Hackett having a Christmas party and the only person that wasnt invited was Hue… LOL
Tollner had no say.. Hackett and Cable were Gradkowski guys, Hue wanted JCamp makes sense now since Hue is the only one left
-Eddie Borsilli (twitter)
January 26th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Mistic not joking, how do you really feel about JC? I think people give you crap b/c it sounds like you think JC is better than Manning or Brady? Where in your mind does he rank? Should the Raiders give him a huge contract like Manning, Brees, Vick, Rogers or Brady?
January 26th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
I always thought Titus Young would be more likely to be on Al Davis’ radar than Austin Pettis.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Alex and mills just caught up with new Raiders HC Hue Jackson. You can hear it on Late Hits tonight at 8 pm est.
I know Cable and Hue wont admit it but the Raiders coaching staff was a mess last year.. Heard today that Cable Hue Hackett never spoke
-Eddie Borsilli (twitter)
January 26th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RRS,
Keep the tweets coming my dude.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Campbell is a stop gap QB at best. The sooner Al realizes this the better. Any chance we get to acquire a good starting QB we need to grab it.
Campbell is like the Just Fargas of QBs….very limited potential.
January 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
DMAC,
Chris Hansen at RaidersBlog thinks Sanjay Lal is a very good WR Coach due to the progress made by youngsters DHB, Murphy & Ford …
LOL!
January 26th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Keep them coming.
LMAO
January 26th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RRS,
Any Raiders-Senior Bowl tweets??
January 26th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
107.Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Campbell is a stop gap QB at best. The sooner Al realizes this the better. Any chance we get to acquire a good starting QB we need to grab it.
Campbell is like the Just Fargas of QBs….very limited potential.
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Acquiring a GOOD starting QB is damn near impossible unless its through the draft or you get a great backup that’s stuck behind an established starter.
There are no free agents worth acquiring that is a serious upgrade….and the only backup worth considering is Kolb and he’s a question mark.
Your boy DMAC has to carry the day.
THe offense has to be structured to do what JC can handle and within the limits of the delicate receiving corps. A receiving corps that takes 5 years to understand the game
January 26th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
jesus H what a cluster-f our organization is. Al just throws a bunch of coaches together and by mid-season they aren’t even on speaking terms. It is hard to be Raider fan some days, but I refuse to root for any other NFL teams.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
#112 best post of the year
I feel exactly how you do!
I refuse to change teams but I am having a hard time loving this one on a daily basis with all the BS that is involved!
January 26th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
111.SnB Production Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
107.Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Campbell is a stop gap QB at best. The sooner Al realizes this the better. Any chance we get to acquire a good starting QB we need to grab it.
Campbell is like the Just Fargas of QBs….very limited potential.
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Acquiring a GOOD starting QB is damn near impossible unless its through the draft or you get a great backup that’s stuck behind an established starter.
There are no free agents worth acquiring that is a serious upgrade….and the only backup worth considering is Kolb and he’s a question mark.
Your boy DMAC has to carry the day.
THe offense has to be structured to do what JC can handle and within the limits of the delicate receiving corps. A receiving corps that takes 5 years to understand the game
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I agree with that assessment. I am just saying that we shouldn’t pass up an opportunity if one were to present itself. I don’t see many options this offseason, but sometimes things unexpectedly open up and we have to be ready to jettison Campbell if the chance to get a good QB opens up.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@Dakota
Is David Garrard a upgrade over Campbell?
January 26th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Mistic not joking, how do you really feel about JC? I think people give you crap b/c it sounds like you think JC is better than Manning or Brady? Where in your mind does he rank? Should the Raiders give him a huge contract like Manning, Brees, Vick, Rogers or Brady?
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I think Jc is a very talented qb, that has been in a bad situation in dc. He also has suffered due to a lack of organztion and continuity, coaches coordinators and the like. He took a beating physically in dc( here too), and to a large degeree was scape goated in dc.
Of course you cant put him in a class with the guys you named he has to earn that. However with better o-line receiever play, and a chance to stay with one coach / offense for 2-3 years his talent will take over. It remains to be seen just how good he will be, he has never been in a position to truly reach his potential or maximize his upside.
Also he is a class act, a leader & a play maker. He has shown class even though he got clowned by cable and co. and the foreskins year after year (post gibbs).
Finally he is in the right place at the right time.
I have to agree with Davis he reminds me of plunk, but he got here younger than plunk, took less of a beating than plunk, and turns the ball over a lot less than plunk. My guess is by year 3 he will be a top 10 in the nfl at least .
January 26th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
David Garrard = Campbell
No upgarde there that I can see.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
So Thurman didnt want to publicly say no thanks and asked the Jets to do it for him….jeez
Speaking of JC, stop bashing on the WR taking 5 yrs to mature. The QB himself has been in the league for 7 years and has yet to reach his full potential. Talk about looking through rose colored glass. Check yourself in the mirror first.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
115.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@Dakota
Is David Garrard a upgrade over Campbell?
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That is a hard one. I’d say roll with Jason Campbell over Garrard, but mainly because he has been here a year and knows Jackson’s system. If they were both rookies, I’d take Garrard, but he is only a minor upgrade imo. Nothing to really go after hard.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
year 3? LMFAO….dude will be in teh league by 10 yrs then as a starter. hahahahahahahah
You’re just buying yourself more time for excuses.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
The OC and HC didn’t talk to each other? Makes no sense.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Only a top ten quarterback will take us to the Superbowl.
We need to upgrade out quarterback position.
Can anyone here actually imagine Jason Campbell taking us to the Superbowl?
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With some small ball and a decent defense, you can get there. Hell, with our running game.. why not?
Don’t expect Campbell Soup to put the team on his back though.. It’ll take everyone around him and himself to get to the SB.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
They have plenty of washed-out vet QB’s to fill out this roster, Al needs to draft a QB and allow him to develop slowly. Ricky Stanzi, TJ Yates, Greg McElroy or maybe Andy Dalton. These guys could at least be equal to Kyle Boller and have the potential to be better, roll the dice in later rounds.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
There are no free agent / tradeable QBs that are a SIGNIFICANT upgrade to Campbell.
SIGNIFICANT!
Because there are costs to bringing in new QBs as far as getting to know the teammates, coaches, receivers, line etc.
So you roll with Campbell. I don’t think its a question. The raiders have so many flaws its hard to just project any guy coming in here and dominating from the start.
Now if Aaron Rogers, Rivers, Matt Ryan, Brees, Freeman, Bradford were to come available then by all means pull the trigger.
But most likely they won’t be available. And sitting around watching Vince Young or Carson Palmer feel there way around the maze that’s the Raiders is not something I would look forward too.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
121.LA to TheBay Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
The OC and HC didn’t talk to each other? Makes no sense.
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Sorry, maybe I missed it, but where is this info coming from?
Thanks
January 26th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Bengals say they won’t trade Carson Palmer. But his agent is David Dunn, facilitator of Harbaugh-to-49ers & has relationship with Baalke.
-Tim Kawakami
Williamson of Scouts Inc. calls Seymour, who was a DT in Oakland in 2010, “the best 3-4 defensive end of this generation.”–TRUE
-Quentin Groves
January 26th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
and if Calvin Johnson can be had for cheap….given he’s a bust (LMAO!!!!!) then let’s bring him in to push DHB…..
Good Lawd
January 26th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
daraider09 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
You can add gannon to this list, he was garbage, and would have never been in the bowl had it not been for Davis/ Gruden Saving him and surrounding him with hof, and probowl talent.
By the way Jc is a better talent than every guy on this list. He is just 28, still has at least 6-8 good years left ahead of him.
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This is the single stupidest post in the history of this blog.
Gannon made the team, not the other way around. All Pro QBs tend to lead their teams to winning seasons. How would those teams have fared with Bobby Hoying or Tui at the helm?
Just wrong…
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Gannon made rice & Brown? Gannon made garner & wheatly? He made romocop and woodson, and eric allen? What are you smoking? Probowlers and hall of famers.
The guys I named outside of wheatly were probowlers and starters in thier careers for prolonged periods of time before they ever met gannon. Gannon couldnt get off the bench backing up guys like sean salisbury and elvis grbac! Im afraid the raiders made gannon.
Also Compare year 1-6 of gannon to year 1-6 of Jc. The numbers dont lie, its JC in a land slide!
Score board son, dont argue with history, submit to it.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Al just throws a bunch of coaches together and by mid-season they aren’t even on speaking terms. It is hard to be Raider fan some days
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BBB: Agreed!
January 26th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
128.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
daraider09 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
You can add gannon to this list, he was garbage, and would have never been in the bowl had it not been for Davis/ Gruden Saving him and surrounding him with hof, and probowl talent.
By the way Jc is a better talent than every guy on this list. He is just 28, still has at least 6-8 good years left ahead of him.
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This is the single stupidest post in the history of this blog.
Gannon made the team, not the other way around. All Pro QBs tend to lead their teams to winning seasons. How would those teams have fared with Bobby Hoying or Tui at the helm?
Just wrong…
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Gannon made rice & Brown? Gannon made garner & wheatly? He made romocop and woodson, and eric allen? What are you smoking? Probowlers and hall of famers.
The guys I named outside of wheatly were probowlers and starters in thier careers for prolonged periods of time before they ever met gannon. Gannon couldnt get off the bench backing up guys like sean salisbury and elvis grbac! Im afraid the raiders made gannon.
Also Compare year 1-6 of gannon to year 1-6 of Jc. The numbers dont lie, its JC in a land slide!
Score board son, dont argue with history, submit to it.
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Not a fkn snowballs chance in hell Jason Cambell ever leads a team to the SB or wins NFL MVP. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs an IQ check.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
On a side note, I am very hopeful that the scouts are taking a look at Casey Matthews. He fits our drafting profile of taking unassuming, white, Pac-10 linebackers over the last few years. But Matthews, I think, could be a solid, disciplined and instinctual LB for us.
Maybe Al will build on last year’s draft and continue to get guys with solid fundamentals early and wait to roll the dice on workout warriors until the 4th round or 5th round.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Thanks Mistic, like the outlook. I admit I was a little down of JC after 9ers game and Young’s comments about him strugging with the play book.
After Rockstars posted those tweets, it appers like he really did not get a fair shake last year nor a stable environment, again.
Garrard has always puzzled me, somtimes he looks great and then…(but I guess you can say that for the Jags in general)
January 26th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
118.aig-raiders Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
So Thurman didnt want to publicly say no thanks and asked the Jets to do it for him….jeez
Speaking of JC, stop bashing on the WR taking 5 yrs to mature. The QB himself has been in the league for 7 years and has yet to reach his full potential. Talk about looking through rose colored glass. Check yourself in the mirror first.
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I am no great JC supporter. Lukewarm really. Just being realistic in that there is no saviour coming at QB. The receivers have been a major disappointment.
Other receivers figure it out and the Raiders have to spin poetic about DHB taking a decade to learn just like Branch. tired of references to the past.
Tell DHB to at least be freekn contributor.
Anyway, I am a big proponent of building an elite defense. That’s been my position for a long time. Get a real deal defense! Should have drafted Raji or any number of other receivers over the track star…need to retain Nnamdi and we need to figure out why on earth these safeties damn near lead the league in tackles!
January 26th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Mystic…
Tim Brown gets injured at any point between 2000-2002, we still have a chance. Tim was our best receiver, but we had other sets of hands to get the ball to. Could have used more running backs in the flat, too. Plenty of options to make up for it, although having Timmy in there is huge.
Jerry Rice…same thing.
Wheatey? Please. He was out most of ‘01 and ‘02, wasn’t he? He was a spark plug, but we could have won easily without him.
We won without Garner in ‘01.
Who is Romocop? If you’re talking about Bill Romanowski, we did just fine without him in ‘00 and ‘01.
Eric Allen was good but we won without him in ‘02.
Charles Woodson was huge but I believe we could have won without him. His absence maybe costs us a couple of games but we’re still a playoff team. We had some decent backup CBs.
Now, Gannon gets injured, at ANY POINT during ‘00-’02, and THE PARTY’S OVER. Period. He was out true most valuable player ,not just using the term in the conventional sense to describe a good player, I mean he was literally THE most valuable player on that team, meaning if he went down, it was all over. And that is tough to dispute. Unless you’re ready to claim that Bobby Hoying or Rodney Peete would have filled his shoes. Don’t embarrass yourself.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Kendric Burney, CB, North Carolina
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami
Roy Helu Jr., RB, Nebraska
Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon
OptimumScouting reported Raiders scouted these players last night.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Correction! We won without Garner in 2000, not 2001.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Raider75 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Kendric Burney, CB, North Carolina
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami
Roy Helu Jr., RB, Nebraska
Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers
Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon
OptimumScouting reported Raiders scouted these players last night.
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What about OL, OL, OL, OL?
January 26th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon
I would love this.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
rich gannon was a nobody has been when he came to the raiders. he had been cut by kc for elvis grbac!! another nobody..when gannon got here he walked into a good team. if you look at what gannon was prior to his raider years and what campbell is, jc is way ahead of gannon at this point in their careers.
some of you shoot your mouths off about ish you know nothing about..
January 26th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
R8rwill, so, we win WITHOUT Gannon between ‘00 and ‘02?
January 26th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
We’re shooting our mouths off based on results. Gannon came right in and made an immediate impact. Campbell struggled a lot last year. We looked like a playoff team all year in ‘99, we just weren’t quite there yet. And, Gannon looked like a playoff QB all year. Campbell looked good one week, looked like the worst QB in the league the next. That’s what we know, and that’s what we’re “shooting our mouths” about.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
It’s unnecessary to weigh Gannon’s numbers before arriving in Oakland against Campbell’s, because Campbell now has a full season here to go on.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RMR,
What was the coaching situation in 1999 vs. 2010?
No doubt that JC is what he is. But these receivers are terrible. Louis Murphy dropping the Gradkowski pass against Houston, DHB dropping balls in the end zone…Schilesn on crutches..DHB is being foisted on this offense despite no production.
Left Tackles playing Center…I mean, its a miracle this team finished 8-8
January 26th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Raiders wanting to interview Thurman would seem to confirm rumor of Raiders wanting to go to the 3-4.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
SnB Production Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RMR,
What was the coaching situation in 1999 vs. 2010?
No doubt that JC is what he is. But these receivers are terrible. Louis Murphy dropping the Gradkowski pass against Houston, DHB dropping balls in the end zone…Schilesn on crutches..DHB is being foisted on this offense despite no production.
Left Tackles playing Center…I mean, its a miracle this team finished 8-8
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I think it’s a crime that they didn’t finish better. Think you got it twisted, SnB. Too much doom and gloom has darkened your outlook.
Although I agree better coaching may have gotten us those wins, but miracle? Don’t think so.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
3-4 would be a mistake. Especially given Davis’ reluctance to draft big D-T types that don’t focus on penetrating and shedding blocks to get to the QB.
Stick with the 4-3. as rockstar said, do we really want to take snaps away from Shaughnessy, TK for Goethel and Groves?
January 26th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Trevor Pryce, who just went head to head with both Steeler centers, says if injured Pouncey can play, Steelers win. If not, Steelers lose.
-Skip Bayless (twitter)
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Dang! Why didn’t we draft this kid again ???
January 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Campbell isn’t as tough as Gannon, period. I’ve seen Gannon get overwhelmed by defenses, notably TB and Baltimore, and I’ll even throw in Miami in ‘02, but Gannon never showed fear when he had the opponent by the throat, like Campbell did against Pittsburgh when we were on their 10 yard line on the first drive! He took one hit and that was all. He looked petrified the next two plays, and we wound up kicking a FG. That set the tone for the game. We marched right down there, then he just caved. Campbell is a good quarterback if he’s under ZERO pressure. But Gannon was just better at persevering when the heat was on.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
We could draft his twin brother in a few months!
January 26th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
r8rwill Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
rich gannon was a nobody has been when he came to the raiders. he had been cut by kc for elvis grbac!! another nobody..when gannon got here he walked into a good team. if you look at what gannon was prior to his raider years and what campbell is, jc is way ahead of gannon at this point in their careers.
some of you shoot your mouths off about ish you know nothing about..
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You guys act as if gannon had done nothing in KC. It was a controvercial move to bench him going into the playoffs after he played very well down the stretch. Then they lost.
He came here ana immediately shook things up. You gotta Youtube the Gannon/Gruden interview about Gannon and Gruden getting in the building at 5 in the morning during the week and weekends grabbing beers and watching film as opposed to going out and yucking it up.
Gannon got rid of the distractions in the locker room, from players, to pool tables, to video games, etc.
Gannon was the 2nd most important piece of the puzzle in our 2000s playoff runs.
How soon they forget. Yikes.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Gannon had the passion and drive to become a great NFL QB. He wasn’t afforded the chance due to circumstances, but he had the fire and the smarts to eventually get there. KC erred when they put Gerbac back in….doesn’t reflect poorly on Rich Gannon.
That inner confidence and passion simply is not there with Jason Cambell. You can tell by his demeanor that he simply doesn’t have those intangibles. And he never will.
Campbell will never come close to Gannon’s numbers:
1999 OAK 16 304 515 59.0 3840 7.5 24 50 14 6 86.5
2000 OAK 16 284 473 60.0 3430 7.3 28 84 11 6 92.4
2001 OAK 16 361 549 65.8 3828 7.0 27 49 9 9 95.5
2002 OAK 16 418 618 67.6 4689 7.6 26 75 10 7 97.3
January 26th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
controversial*
January 26th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
How can a QB coach and an OC never talk? What would have been the source of conflict to that degree, if there was indeed conflict? We have been told that Hue spoke with DMac, asking him what he thought the reason was for his underachievement and that DMac shared with Hue what kinds of plays most suited his running style. That seems to me to be the kind of thing a good coach would find out.
I am going to assume, however, that there must be some discrepancy in either offensive philosophy or in some other area for Hackett not to have either walked out or been shown the door. Was it a pecking order kind of thing, in which Hackett and Hue were both angling for head coach and Hackett saw the writing on the wall?
January 26th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Oh, left out my main point–that there might have been a battle over how best to coach Jason Campbell.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Gannon made the other guys better if for no other reason than he demanded more of them than anyone else.
That’s leadership.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
6.SnB Production Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Jason Campbell is the QB next year. Bringing in Vince Young? ARe you serious? AFter the JaDavis debacle.
Listen carefully. The Raiders are not the place for undisciplined players and its not for those who are not self-motivated.
Why is Tennessee getting rid of VY?
SEriously, Raider fans look at things with rose colored glasses
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Believers in the Al Davis myth still think he can convert wash outs into Pro Bowlers like the old days.
January 26th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
If you are talking about fantasy football…then by all means pontificate on bringing in a good QB to replace JC.
Reality is a tad different. AGain, you draft a JaDavis, Joey Harrington, akili Smith or Ryan Leaf…your team will be set back. That’s where this team is right now.
There are NO options realistically available that’s better than JC for this year…and possibly next year.
The Raiders need to either see DHB man up or bench him. Get the o-line squared away and start bringing in players that match this man2man scheme.
I type the last sentence as I watch deAngelo Hall getting inteviewed at the Pro Bowl!
January 26th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Vince Young is the anti-Rich Gannon. Dumb as a box of rocks, lacks leadership, and is lazy, but has great physical gifts.
Thanks, but no thanks.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Vince Young is the anti-Rich Gannon. Dumb as a box of rocks, lacks leadership, and is lazy, but has great physical gifts.
Thanks, but no thanks.
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Exactly.
Also, exactly the reason Al may covet him.
Seriously, though, its obvious there’s been a big push to get/keep character guys in here.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Vince Young is the anti-Rich Gannon. Dumb as a box of rocks, lacks leadership, and is lazy, but has great physical gifts.
Thanks, but no thanks
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“but has great physical gifts” — that should keep all of us up late at night
January 26th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
If all the other pieces fall into place (WR,OL,DT,S), Campbell can get this team to the playoffs. Shouldn’t we start with that?
January 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
If Gannon goes down at any point between ‘00 and ‘02, it’s all over. You can’t say that about any other player on the team. Everyone else, while some were good, were still for the most part replaceable. Gannon was the one player on that team that could not be replaced.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Isn’t funny that they are pedicting that if Pouncey plays, the Steelers win?
So we cannot discount the fact that Barret Robbins going AWOL was a major reason that Raiders sucked @$$ in the SB?
January 26th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
The major the reason the Raiders were terrible in the super bowl was because the owner traded the opponent our highly rated head coach
January 26th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
If Al just hangs in there with Gruden for another year or two…the Raiders have a SB
Ego is a b….
January 26th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
rmr i must admit you shoot your mouth off all the time, about anything nd everything. the raiders had no backup for gannon, that’s how he got the job.. if you had been there you would know that. by you not knowing shows me one of two things you weren’t around or you were running your mouth like you do here twenty four seven
January 26th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
The nucleus of every football team is top personnel guy/head coach/quarterback.
When you give your SB opponent 1/3 of your nucleus, yeah, you’re likely to get blown out.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
163.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Isn’t funny that they are pedicting that if Pouncey plays, the Steelers win?
So we cannot discount the fact that Barret Robbins going AWOL was a major reason that Raiders sucked @$$ in the SB?
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That plus the fact that we only had one week and didn’t have time to change terminology and the D knew everything.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Gannon had no backup? He was the only QB on the roster when he was there? Really? R8rwill, maybe you were there, but you were obviously high.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Most of the pressure that came to Gannon was from the ends. Robbins made no difference. He should have just stayed in Tijuana.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
r8rwill Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
rmr i must admit you shoot your mouth off all the time, about anything nd everything. the raiders had no backup for gannon, that’s how he got the job..
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What?
January 26th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
What’s interesting is that now you need a passport to reenter the US from Mexico, even on foot. Maybe Al Davis was the one who pushed for stricter border laws. LOL.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Thanks, Dakota. I didn’t get it either. I think he’s, you know, special.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
VY is not a downfield passer
Al Davis would not even look at him because of this…lets be serious VY is not ever going to be a Raider!
January 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
There is a big deal being made about 3-4 or 4-3. I think the issue is technique not scheme. We have 4-3 personel. Stick with 4-3 or be willing to coach up the majority of the defense that has never played in a 3-4 alignment. I was just watching a breakdown of the Steelers D vs the Jets. They focused on Ziggy Hood (i think) and what stood out to me is that as soon as he diagnosed run he controlled the gap, broke down and attacked the blocker. In those big runs that the Raiders give up the DL don’t do that. I have no problem with an attacking 4-3 defense but the players have to know when to attack.
Also, I think another problem is that the raiders put the safetys in too much man situations. Branch gets burned becuase he is not a corner. I think that the LB’s should be playing more zone with Routt and Aso doing what they do best, being shut down corners. Raider D was great when we played more Cover 2 man under. Tatum and Atkinson were never expected to play man coverage. They just waited for someone to catch the ball in front of them and then they wiped them out.
Somewhere along the line Raiders started listening to the talking heads on TV (ESPN, Warren Sapp, etc.) cry about how the Raiders ALWAYS played single saftey high man to man defense. That is a lie. Our front seven controlled the run and our safetys blasted anyone coming over the middle. The corners mixed it up, bump and run on one play, bail technique on another, etc.
One franchise that i really respect is the Steelers when it comes to their defense. They decided what type of D they wanted and now only go after people that fit their D. That Defense has weakness but they (coaches and players) know how people are going to attack it and they are ready for it. Watch in this years superbowl how may times the area by the hashmarks is wide open to the outside receivers. They lock up the Y and slot receivers and they zone blitz when they think you are going to attack those areas of the field. They put a focus on stopping the run. They have an identity. We know that with the man D that we play that people will use crossing patterns against us all of the time. The D should be ready for this and last year they were not. There is no excuse for that.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Most of the pressure that came to Gannon was from the ends. Robbins made no difference. He should have just stayed in Tijuana.
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Technically he would have had a impact in that area.. he called out the line shifts and responsibility..
Im not saying we would have won with him but it would have been a big plus to have him..
All comes down to Gruden tho..
January 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Let’s look at successful organizations operate
Good owner will do anything to win
Good Gm or VP (evaluation of talent)
Good coaching
Great QB
January 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
DT42 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
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Branch was a CB..
January 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Most of the pressure that came to Gannon was from the ends. Robbins made no difference. He should have just stayed in Tijuana.
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Robbins called out the blocking assignments on the line.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
177.Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Let’s look at successful organizations operate
Good owner will do anything to win
Good Gm or VP (evaluation of talent)
Good coaching
Great QB
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The only thing I can say in defense of Al Davis…..at least he isn’t Mike Brown. Al tries to win….he just isn’t very good at it anymore. Brown is clearly just in it to collect money.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Go 4-4-3
stop the run!
January 26th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
or those damn Tampa Bay owners who use the NFL as a cash cow to support their ghay soccer team.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Let’s look at successful organizations operate
Good owner will do anything to win
Good Gm or VP (evaluation of talent)
Good coaching
Great QB
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Jets, Giants, Falcons, Bucs or Bears dont have a great QB..Good? yea…great? no
January 26th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Dakota in 2000 we had almost all of those things with Ron Wolfe and Gruden in house.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Jets, Giants, Falcons, Bucs or Bears…are not in the Super Bowl are they?
January 26th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
or those damn Tampa Bay owners who use the NFL as a cash cow to support their ghay soccer team.
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Remember: two years ago they were giving impossible incentive contracts to make it appear that they were spending near the cap?
January 26th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
666,
Ron Wolf hasn’t been with the Raiders since 1990.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
DT42 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
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Branch was a CB..
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Branch is a Safety.
33 Branch, Tyvon SS 6-0 205 24 3 Connecticut
January 26th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Jets, Giants, Falcons, Bucs or Bears…are not in the Super Bowl are they?
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So instead of “successful organizations” I guess you should have just said the Steelers & Packers?…
January 26th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
# RaiderfanNY Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 10:37 am
It’s crazy that a team can deny a coach the right to interview for a promotion with another team.
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Not necessarily. Coaches are under contract, and are expected to adhere to the terms of that contract. Tom Cable wasn’t fired, his employment contract ended and was not renewed. If a team decides to end a contract with a coach, that team is on the hook for the full compensation amount of that contract. Unless they can claim some type of unscrupulous dealing by that coach. (See, Kiffin, “Lance”).
The point that you make which is a good one, is if a team blocks a promotion even to another team, it probably will be harder for that team to hire new lower level coaches in the future.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
There are about 4 or 5 great QB’s in the league
Brady Manning Breese etc.
Then there are about 10 good ones that could be great
Flaco, Matty Ice etc.
Then there are the rest of them
Which is where Jason Campbell is!
January 26th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
DT42 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
DT42 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
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Branch was a CB..
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Branch is a Safety.
33 Branch, Tyvon SS 6-0 205 24 3 Connecticut
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Key word there…WAS a CB..
January 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Campbell is down on the Raiders’s list of worries right now.
Upgrade the o-line. Get a legit #1 receiver. Find a weakside linebacker. Upgrade the secondary. Then maybe worry about Campbell.
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How is it that having a starting QB who’s in the bottom quarter of league not be a big concern. The position is basically as important as the rest of your offense or defense put together.
Starting QBs better than Campbell (21):
- Brady
- Sanchez
- Roethlisberger
- Flacco
- Palmer
- P. Manning
- Garrard
- Schaub
- Vince Young
- Rivers
- Orton
- E. Manning
- Romo
- McNabb
- Vick
- Favre
- Rodgers
- Brees
- Ryan
- Freeman
- Bradford
On par with Campbell (8)
- Hasselbeck
- Alex Smith
- Cutler
- Stafford
- Cassel
- Henne
- Fitzpatrick
- Kerry Collins
Too soon to tell (3)
- Clausen
- McCoy
- Arizona/Fordham rookie (forgot his name)
If we have to roll with Campbell, so be it. He’s capable of being a top 20, maybe even a middle of the pack QB. But don’t act like it’s not an area we should consider upgrading.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Dakota
I meant Bruce Allen sorry
January 26th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
DeuceDeuce
Why do you cry so much?
Are you related to Jay Cutler?
Brady is a great QB so is manning and they are not in the Super Bowl you can’t read dude, try again.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
VY is not a downfield passer
Al Davis would not even look at him because of this…lets be serious VY is not ever going to be a Raider!
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Supposedly Al liked him and would have drafted him at No. 7 the year the Titans took him at 3.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
i’ll say it again gannon was a nobody when he came to oakland, if you don’t think so go back and read his statistics. he had three good years here and then he disappeared into the sunset.. he came into a good team when he got here.. gruden had done a george allen on our team by trading away the youth to get wily veterans. when gannon went down there was noone to step up..and the raiders fell apart, from being long in the tooth..there are many guys on here who know football, you should listen to them instead of pontificating about ish you know nothing about. you can’t learn a damned thing about this game from your x box, other than the rules!!!!!
January 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
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Sanchez, Palmer, Garrard, V Young & McNabb arent better than Campbell.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Deuce he was a CB in college but name another safety that is expected to play as much man coverage as he is. My point is that the Raider defense doesn’t match the personel. If Branch was a dominant cover corner in college (he wasn’t) then he should be a corner in the pros. He is a safety pure and simple. No safety at any level wants to get locked up in man to man for an extended period of time. Thats football 101.
The Raiders started expecting the SS to play so much man when Huff was starting. Before that both safeys played mostly zone. Remember Ronnie Lott? He was a corner with the Niners and then moved to safety. When he was with the Raiders he had about 8 (?) picks. None of those were from him playing man D. He read the QB and jumped the routes.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
you may not have the qb you like but i guarantee you al davis has the one he likes.. i’ll roll with mr. davis everytime!!!
January 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
DeuceDeuce
Why do you cry so much?
Are you related to Jay Cutler?
Brady is a great QB so is manning and they are not in the Super Bowl you can’t read dude, try again.
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Huh? You said the formula for a successsful team included a GREAT QB..I pointed out a few teams that were successful and didnt have a GREAT QB…
Then you tell me THOSE teams arent in the Super Bowl…
Now you point out Brady & Manning not being in the SB…huh?
But im the one who needs to read?
January 26th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
DT42 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
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OK. Point taken. But Branch gets burned because he gambles and overcommits not because he doesnt fit the scheme.
The scheme calls for a fast guy who can hit & cover. Thats him.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Technically he would have had a impact in that area.. he called out the line shifts and responsibility..
Im not saying we would have won with him but it would have been a big plus to have him..
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Yeah, I’m sure that veteran o-line was just lost without their brain center….Barret Robbins.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
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Sanchez, Palmer, Garrard, V Young & McNabb arent better than Campbell.
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I’d take any of them over Campbell, in this order:
- Vince Young just wins. He’s not a traditional pocket passer but a dynamic threat. And I’d probably take him strictly as a passer over Campbell as well. Better pocket awareness and a willingness to at least try some throws down the field.
- Mark Sanchez. Not great, but the kid has been to 2 AFC Championship games to start his career. The former high first round pick should at least be pretty good with a chance to be very good.
- Carson Palmer. Had some rough times this year and if you base it off that most recent history then you’re probably right. But careers as a whole and what they’ve shown they can do and its no contest in Palmer’s favor.
- Garrard. Doesn’t get much respect as a relatively little-known guy out of college who has since toiled away in Jacksonville. But he’s tough, mobile and a better passer than Campbell, IMO.
- McNabb. This is another one where it’s no contest before the 2010 season. I know he struggled and has been dumped by two pretty respected offensive-minded coaches though. So those are enough warning flags to put him at the bottom of this list. But I’d still probably take a gamble him over Campbell.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
if Locher or Newton fall to #48 then lets take him, other than that, take a QB in the 5th-7th round, unless Pettis, Gilbert, or Matthews falls then grab one of them,
this year we focus on O-Line and best players available!
January 26th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
# RaiderRetribution Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Go 4-4-3
stop the run!
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LOL. Yeah, sure. How about we go to the old 6-2-3 that we used my freshman year in HS. That will stop the run. We can just go goal line every down, too. Guaranteed nobody’s running on us.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Anyone who thinks Jason Campbell can somehow develop into a QB that is as good or productive as Gannon was in Oakland is sadly mistaken.
Doesn’t mean we should get rid of Campbell, but if a decent QB is out there we should certainly look into it, because Jason Campbell is what he is….an inconsistent slightly below average QB that will rarely if ever put the team on his shoulders and win a game.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Borsilli Eddie Borsilli
Alot of JaMarcus talk down here. Heard at least 5 teams wanna sign him but not at 288 lb’s Teams scared to b the laughing stock of the NFL
Borsilli Eddie Borsilli
He lost some weight but is still at least 270. Doesnt get why teams won’t give him a shot. This guy will never get it
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Jesus H. Christ… this is just sad.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
r8rwill Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
he had three good years here and then he disappeared into the sunset..
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You dumb ass, he was in his late 30s. It’s called retirement. Only a Davis worshiping tard would hold it against a player for approaching the 4-0 and losing their step.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
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Sanchez, Palmer, Garrard, V Young & McNabb arent better than Campbell.
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I’d take any of them over Campbell, in this order:
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If were playing Madden id take Vince Young.
If this was 4 years ago id take Palmer & McNabb
If were talking 4 years from now id take Sanchez
Garrard & Campbell are basically clones.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Vince Evans had no good years here and stayed for about 10 years, and I think he was 40 when he first arrived.
January 26th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
r8rwill Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
he had three good years here and then he disappeared into the sunset..
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You dumb ass, he was in his late 30s. It’s called retirement. Only a Davis worshiping tard would hold it against a player for approaching the 4-0 and losing their step.
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I dont even think he lost anything really…just that hit from Brooks ended it..
January 26th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Anyone who thinks Jason Campbell can somehow develop into a QB that is as good or productive as Gannon was in Oakland is sadly mistaken.
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I do, why not?
January 26th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
lol @ 75!
I wonder what Debo thinks about that ???
January 26th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Davis loyalists, showing again how they’re all about the players. Now they’re bashing Gannon for being injury prone in his late 30’s.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Hey rockstar I found you on twitter. I’m following you.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
I wish they brought in tory holt to be our wr coach or Tim Brown
January 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
i think we are just two or three players away from being the bully hujax talks about. i was talking to a knowledgeable raider fan the other day , he pointed out that the teams we played went five and ten the week after they played us!! that is a telling stat. that speaks volumes about our guys….
January 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Davis loyalists, showing again how they’re all about the players. Now they’re bashing Gannon for being injury prone in his late 30’s.
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Was he even hurt a lot? Other than the common NFL stuff, I dont remember him missing any time at all…
That damn hit from Brooks ended his career, nothing else.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
the guy showing dhb how to run routeshttp://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/82021359.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA5480C8EF386C1A2D3B103557CDD4E3EEABD6132FCBD38B52DEAE30A760B0D811297
January 26th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
It’s like some kind of cultist group-think. They anticipate his wishes and begin genuflecting, over and over.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
DeuceDeuce
Why do you cry so much?
Are you related to Jay Cutler?
Brady is a great QB so is manning and they are not in the Super Bowl you can’t read dude, try again.
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Huh? You said the formula for a successsful team included a GREAT QB..I pointed out a few teams that were successful and didnt have a GREAT QB…
Then you tell me THOSE teams arent in the Super Bowl…
Now you point out Brady & Manning not being in the SB…huh?
But im the one who needs to read?
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It was odd that non-great QBs like Sanchez and Cutler got that far. But no coincidence they didn’t make it to the Super Bowl while some of the best in the game like Rodgers and Roethlisberger did.
Look at last year’s playoff QBs:
AFC – Manning, Brady, Rivers, Sanchez, Flacco, Palmer
NFC – Brees, McNabb, Romo, Warner, Rodgers, Favre
4 future Hall of Famers (Brady, Manning, Favre, Warner). 3 guys (Rodgers, Rivers, Brees) who could be headed in that direction. 3 guys with multiple Pro Bowls under their belt (Romo, McNabb, Palmer). And a pair of young first-round pick QBs.
And look at recent SB matchups
- Rodgers-Roethlisberger
- Brees-Manning
- Roethlisberger-Warner
- Brady-E.Manning
I missed what you guys were talking about, but you can’t argue that it’s extremely rare to be successful in the NFL right now without a very good QB.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
I missed what you guys were talking about, but you can’t argue that it’s extremely rare to be successful in the NFL right now without a very good QB.
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Oh ok. Yea i agree you need good QB play obviously.
But i do think, and its been done, you can win a SB with a good game manager also. Just need the right supporting cast..
January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
213.KoolKell Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Anyone who thinks Jason Campbell can somehow develop into a QB that is as good or productive as Gannon was in Oakland is sadly mistaken.
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I do, why not?
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See #151.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
That damn hit from Brooks ended his career, nothing else
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Age?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
we need a veteran wide out, a monster left tackle, and a safety who instills fear in the other team.. we need to resign our guys like nnambdi and big rich.. unlike cable, i think hue will have these guys prepared to play..
January 26th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
That damn hit from Brooks ended his career, nothing else
……….
Age?
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That played into it yeah…He probably attempts a comeback after that hit if hes 28
January 26th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
DeuceDeuce,
Jason Campbell MIGHT one day be as good as David Garrard.
What a sad ceiling to have as your starting QB.
MAYBE one day JC can throw for 3,600 yards or 23 TDs or an 18 to 3 TD to INT ratio and make the playoffs.
But probably he never will be that good. He turns 30 next year. Starter for 6 seasons. Not much hope that there’s some crazy untapped potential that many starts into your NFL career.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
also deucedeuce,
because Al won’t allow anything even close to the Ravens and Bucs exotic D schemes, we’ll never have that dominant D that can guide a game-manager (which JC certainly is NOT) into the playoffs.
So if no exotic D, then you need a top QB.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Well, then there’s obviously “something else”. His age.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year.
I believe that’s better than Gannon’s first year here, no?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
alex7 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
DeuceDeuce,
Jason Campbell MIGHT one day be as good as David Garrard.
What a sad ceiling to have as your starting QB.
MAYBE one day JC can throw for 3,600 yards or 23 TDs or an 18 to 3 TD to INT ratio and make the playoffs.
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Campbell threw for 3618 yds & 20 TDs the year before he got here…?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Campbell would have been 8-8 if he’d started those 3 games. Campbell just isn’t nearly as good under pressure as Gannon was.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Well, then there’s obviously “something else”. His age.
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We’ll never know that tho right…We do know he never played after taking the Brooks hit tho lol…?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
On par with Campbell (8)
- Hasselbeck
- Alex Smith
- Cutler
- Stafford
- Cassel
- Henne
- Fitzpatrick
- Kerry Collins
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Hasselbeck has been to three Pro Bowls and one Super Bowl. Even Cutler made the pro bowl. Collins has been to two Pro Bowls and One Super Bowl. Campbell has never had a QB rating above 90 for a season, and has a losing record as a starter. Bottom of the barrel there.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Campbell would have been 8-8 if he’d started those 3 games. Campbell just isn’t nearly as good under pressure as Gannon was.
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That is true but Gannon had quick striking plays being called, rarely big drop backs like Campbell…So there was less pressure..
And the whole good under pressure thing kinda opens up questions about the Super Bowl performance…
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Gannon had Jerry Rice & Tim Brown to bail him out.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
alex7 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
also deucedeuce,
because Al won’t allow anything even close to the Ravens and Bucs exotic D schemes, we’ll never have that dominant D that can guide a game-manager (which JC certainly is NOT) into the playoffs.
So if no exotic D, then you need a top QB.
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We had the team to do just that this year and blew it..
January 26th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
# DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Well, then there’s obviously “something else”. His age.
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We’ll never know that tho right…We do know he never played after taking the Brooks hit tho lol…?
…………
Keep bashing the players, Deuce. Keep proving to us how you guys and your hero Al Davis are all about the players.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Raiders run defense rank since 2002:
2010 – 29th
2009 – 29th
2008 – 31st
2007 – 31st
2006 – 25th
2005 – 25th
2004 – 22nd
2003 – 32nd
2002 – 3rd
One of those things is not like the other. Also, one of those years we went to the Super Bowl.
One conclusion and one question is raised by this data. The conclusion: Stop the run and win games. The question: why has the team been incapable of stopping the run?
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Gap discipline is all fine and dandy but at end of day you need talent.
So who was on defense in 2002 team?
Defensive Linemen
99 DeLawrence Grant
97 John Parrella
95 Sam Adams
93 Trace Armstrong
91 Regan Upshaw
92 Junior Ioane
57 Rod Coleman
75 Chris Cooper
Linebackers
53 Bill Romanowski
55 Travian Smith
50 Eric Barton
41 Eric Johnson
51 Tim Johnson
58 Napoleon Harris
Perela, Adams and Coleman up front backed by Romo at MLB got the job done.
And in the years after 2002 the personnel just didn’t get the job done due to lack on talent either at the line or LBs or both. period.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
douche douche
Gannon was good under pressure but he did not have a good performance in the Super Bowl for the obvious reason…If I have to spell that out for you then there is no hope of your IQ getting any higher.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
# DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
And the whole good under pressure thing kinda opens up questions about the Super Bowl performance…
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No, it doesn’t. Because I already accounted for it.
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Campbell isn’t as tough as Gannon, period. I’ve seen Gannon get overwhelmed by defenses, notably TB and Baltimore, and I’ll even throw in Miami in ‘02, but Gannon never showed fear when he had the opponent by the throat, like Campbell did against Pittsburgh when we were on their 10 yard line on the first drive! He took one hit and that was all. He looked petrified the next two plays, and we wound up kicking a FG. That set the tone for the game. We marched right down there, then he just caved. Campbell is a good quarterback if he’s under ZERO pressure. But Gannon was just better at persevering when the heat was on.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
232.KoolKell Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year.
I believe that’s better than Gannon’s first year here, no?
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Proves nothing. Fact of the matter is that Gannon was a QB who took complete control of games and won them for us. Campbell handed off to McFadden and Bush and did very little to win games. Best case Campbell becomes an adequate game manager. Rich Gannon was a guy who won games from the QB position.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
666, don’t you find it odd that Deuce Deuce, a noted Davis loyalist, is bashing our second best rated passer of all time? I thought these Davis guys were all about the players?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
238.KoolKell Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Gannon had Jerry Rice & Tim Brown to bail him out.
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Lol…no he had Brown, James Jett and some other no-names WRs most of his time here.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
about that wide out, v. jax, plax, boldin, even brailon edwards or TO but please not slocho cinco…we had mike williams here for a minute, he didn’t look anything like he did this year… if chaz can stay healthy he’ll do.. i know i know he can’t stay healthy
January 26th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
MR
I am sick of the AD loyalists and as you know I used to be one years ago and you used to bash me for it but I have had enough of the circus.
You don’t hire a head coach and spend his crowning moment bashing ex employees That was the final straw for me
January 26th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year, ok? You can rationalize anything you want to.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
# DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Well, then there’s obviously “something else”. His age.
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We’ll never know that tho right…We do know he never played after taking the Brooks hit tho lol…?
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Keep bashing the players, Deuce. Keep proving to us how you guys and your hero Al Davis are all about the players.
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Where did i bash anyone? Gannon is one of my favorite Raiders ever…ive met him before…
January 26th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
douche douche
Gannon was good under pressure but he did not have a good performance in the Super Bowl for the obvious reason…If I have to spell that out for you then there is no hope of your IQ getting any higher.
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Dont question my IQ and call me kiddie names in the same breath.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
249.KoolKell Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year, ok? You can rationalize anything you want to.
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And Rich Gannon was a better QB than Jason Campbell. Fact.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
“Gannon is one of my favorite Raiders ever…ive met him before…”
I once touched a guy who touched a guy who shook hands with Marcus Allen!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Your a Douche and you have a low IQ its a well known fact!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
“Gannon is one of my favorite Raiders ever…ive met him before…”
I once touched a guy who touched a guy who shook hands with Marcus Allen!
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If you like to touch guys thats your own business.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
….. ” Donald Hollis”……
January 26th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Who else here thinks Deuce Deuce is a Douchbag?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
r8rwill Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
about that wide out, v. jax, plax, boldin, even brailon edwards or TO but please not slocho cinco…we had mike williams here for a minute, he didn’t look anything like he did this year… if chaz can stay healthy he’ll do.. i know i know he can’t stay healthy
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Id take Chad Johnson…not Ocho Cinco tho…
January 26th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I dont care if anyone THINKS im a douchebag…but what we KNOW from what he says is Silver-and-black666 touches guys.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
ROLMFAO
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I dont care if anyone THINKS im a douchebag…
January 26th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Jason Campbell was 8-5 and I dare you KK to point out to me any game that he was the mvp for that particular game of those 13 games. ZERO!
Gannon in his first year didnt have the 2nd best running game in the league nor DMAC to bail his a$$ out either.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
That is kind of funny Douche did you think that up all by yourself?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
ROLMFAO
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I dont care if anyone THINKS im a douchebag…
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Your awesome.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Rich Gannon didnt have leadership problem nor wilted on 2 min drives either.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
That is kind of funny Douche did you think that up all by yourself?
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Man toucher say what?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
And, Deuce, you’re a douchebag.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Duece doesn’t care if you guys think he’s a douche, guys. I think that’s quite honorable of him. It should be on his tombstone.
Here lies Duece Duece. He did not care if you thought he was a douchebag.
Now there’s a legacy.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
The Real MaddenRaider <—— Cool guy.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
See ya tmoro guys.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Well MR he found out the only way he could get close to a woman is if he was in fact a douche…
January 26th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
LMAO @ MR
Are we still talking about Gannon v. Campbell?
Wow.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Gannon was an All Pro, fellas. Campbell may be one someday, but Campbell NOW to Gannon at his peak? No comparison.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Bye, Deuce Deuce. I now you don’t care what I think, but you are a douche.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
aig you are blowing smoke again, gannon had the number one rushing team in the league.. when the smoke clears you can check your stats
January 26th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Fans on here who call Gannon garbage are mentally disabled and should seek medical treatment. gannon made the raiders winners NOT gruden. grudens bucs teams sucked most years. gannon was a GREAT QB in oakland. actually Gannon was an elite QB in OAK. his stats and winning record show it. 3 afc west titles and an AFC title. crazy
January 26th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
I’m not going to sit here and hate on Gannon.
I’m just saying Jason Campbell was 8-5 and you EMFERS aint seen that in a coon’s age. So stfu and give the guy a chance.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
264.aig-raiders Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Rich Gannon didnt have leadership problem nor wilted on 2 min drives either.
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Gannon was a leader, campbell is more quiet. I’ll take campbell over grad. but JC is no rich gannon. but i hope he proves me wrong.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
274.r8rwill Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
aig you are blowing smoke again, gannon had the number one rushing team in the league.. when the smoke clears you can check your stats
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not in 02 when he won mvp
January 26th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Wisconsin’s Gabe Carimi is close to 6-foot-7 and will play in the 325-pound range in the NFL, and the first trait that surfaced was his competitive attitude. He served notice in the first practice that he will play to the whistle on every play and you are in for a rough day if you line up opposite him. He is very capable of establishing the point of attack in a power running game and could be more of a right tackle than a left tackle. He has the technique to play the left side, but after two practices I like the mauler part of his game the most. During the Tuesday practice he also showed the feet to pull and fold block.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
I’m just saying Jason Campbell was 8-5 and you EMFERS aint seen that in a coon’s age. So stfu and give the guy a chance.
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I’m willing to do so.
There is no better option available, short of winning the Mike Vick sweepstakes (doubtful).
January 26th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Campbell played well down the stretch and won more than he lost.
Another year in Hue’s system with some familiarity with Saunders. The progression of Ford, possibly the addition of another quality receiver.
Think Campbell is at least good enough to get us to 10-6, 11-5.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
If Carimi is projected more as a RT than LT, he may drop into the 2nd round and could solidify the right side of our line. May have to trade up a few spots in the 2nd though.
I also like Matthews out of OR, Stanzi out of IA, and that Boise WR
January 26th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Jay_Glazer (twitter)
Q: Wouldn’t Thurman be bugged by that? Not getting a chance for a possible raise?
A: No, he loves workin w Rex
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problem is, a DB coach elsewhere makes more money there than they will as a DC in Oakland
January 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Kell, I’m surprised to see you join the “give him a chance” crowd. I’ve always thought you were more realistic.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Think Campbell is at least good enough to get us to 10-6, 11-5.———-
except he’s not.
too herkyjerky of a player. Always up and down. Looks good. Looks bad. Looks great, then puts up a 12 qb rating.
You really think that after being mediocre for 6 years, putting up a 12 qb rating, a couple halfs under 10 rating, getting benched during the year, more than once, is a qb who’s good enough?
ur dreamin
January 26th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
274.r8rwill Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
aig you are blowing smoke again, gannon had the number one rushing team in the league.. when the smoke clears you can check your stats
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I stand corrected. And we are both wrong!
1998 Raiders ranked 16th in rushing with Jeff George (I mistook this for Gannon’s first year)
1999 Raiders ranked 3rd in the league (not number 1 as you proclaimed). This was Gannon’s first year with the Raiders.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Campbell is as good as anyone in the league if he’s facing no pass rush whatsoever. That’s why he’s in the league. If he gets the protection, he’s awesome. But in this league, of course, even the best team’s face a pass rush. He is one of the worst quarterbacks I have ever seen at evading a pass rush. He almost always just tucks the ball in and goes down. Then he’s shaken up for the rest of the game.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
People love to tout Jason’s 8-5 record but when asked for evidence that he earned those 8-5 they can’t produce it. Or was it he rode the coat tail of other’s to that 8-5? Where was he when the team needed him to carry them? No where to be found. Sorry but keep on dreaming.
I believe Mistic is already sandbagging himself for JC by asking for 3 total years to allow JC to make it happen. That would make it 10 total years of starting in the NFL. Sorry homie aint got it and never will.
You will see next year. I doubt we can even get to 9-7 next year.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
RMR
The Raiders are first with me, despite Al Davis.
Any Raider fan looking down on a 8-5 performance, needs to slapped awake.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Trent Dilfer won a SB too. I guess we should put him as one of the all time greats QB too based on your logic KK.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Trent Dilfer won a SB too. I guess we should put him as one of the all time greats QB too based on your logic KK.
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wtf are you talking about?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
# Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
MR
I am sick of the AD loyalists and as you know I used to be one years ago and you used to bash me for it but I have had enough of the circus.
You don’t hire a head coach and spend his crowning moment bashing ex employees That was the final straw for me
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Final straw for many. Beginning of the end for others. And another reason to laugh at the Raiders for the rest.
Every time you think Al can’t do anymore to sabotage future HC hirings, he proves us wrong.
Bad mouthing Chucky, and Shell, then going overboard with “Lance” with ProjectorGate, and followed by the CableBash, just insures Al will never get a name as HC, not as long as he’s alive.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Kell, he’s only 8-5 because he didn’t start 3 games. You’re being disingenuous to make Campbell look good. I’m surprised. This isn’t like you. You’re usually a realist.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Leaders lead. They dont need you to butter them up or take the pressure away to do better. If Jason was worried about competing with a no talent Gradkowski, then how can you expect him to lead a team into the playoff?
Say all you can about Vy or Kim Newton, those dudes walk around with the attitude that they will carry you.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Some QBs, for reasons having a lot to do with national politics and over emotional bumpkins in middle America desperate for a hero, tend to overlook talent because that talent doesn’t fit their image of what an “American hero” ought to look like, in their view. Jason Campbell is NOT one of those quarterbacks. He’s not good. He can’t evade a pass rush.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
KK,
You know exactly what I am talking about. You’re conveniently using the 8-5 record to defend Jason but when asked for specifics on thos 8 wins with regards to JC’s contribution you’re silent. We all know why.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
666,
I agree. I used to defend Al on here and but his hiring of Lance Kitten (to begin with) pretty much burned whatever support I had for the old man. When you defend him, his BS spin job is funny. When you’re sick of him, his BS spin job is embarassing.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Kell, his record noted, give us your opinion as to how well Jason Campbell handles a pass rush, based on what you see. I know his record. It’s noted. And, it is impressive compared to what we’ve seen from other QBs’ between Gannon and him. But tell me what you think of Campbell’s ability to evade a pass rush. Tell me what you’re seeing.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Campbell was 8-5, period. That’s Reality.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Kell, thank you. His record noted. But what do you think of Campbell’s ability to evade the pass rush? Just you personally, based on what you see. I’m aware of the record. Thanks again. And, the record is impressive.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I think Campbell handles the pass rush just fine. Maybe shaky early, but he took off, made plays with his legs many times…….
January 26th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
# Silver-and-black666 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
douche douche
Gannon was good under pressure but he did not have a good performance in the Super Bowl for the obvious reason…If I have to spell that out for you then there is no hope of your IQ getting any higher.
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U mean because TB knew the plays? Where the ball was going? Where every audible was going to end up?? because the team was too stupid and kept the same plays?
Yeah, I can see how that’s Gru’s fault
January 26th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Kell, Campbell handles the pass rush as good as Gannon?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
RMR,
Rich Gannon is gone, ok? Retired. Time to move on.
Jason Campbell had the best QB play for the Raiders in a long while. Coming off 7 straight years of 11 losses or more, ok?
Move on.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
I think Gradkowski’s better than Campbell, Kell.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
i give campbell 7-5.an upgrade over grads.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
At first I thought Grads was better bec he was …but as Campbell was grasping the offense and the players in it more he clearly was better than Grads.
Watching Grads play for an extended period …you can see soo many faults in his game. (The guy has no arm).
January 26th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
I find it interestng those tweets of Hue departing ways with Hackett Cable and Tollener ….Hacket and Cable being the ones riding the Gradkowski titantic all the way to the bottom
January 26th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Grads is worlds better at evading the pass rush, and
I think his arm is good enough.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Terrapin, who do you blame if the Raiders finish worse than 8-8 in 2011?
January 26th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
grads stats don`t stack uo too campbell.as well as the most important one.7-5 vs. 1-3 record.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
But I can understand the anoymosity towards Hue. Afterall, he was the new guy taking over the whole offense away from that sham of a HC TC. So that can create some resentment.
Hue Jack is the freakin’ man! This guy will take the Raiders far. I believe! We’re fighting for championships now! (Never thought so with that farse TC).
January 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
I cannot say who I blame until they play. For all we know we can lose every single OLinman to injury next year leaving us in a serious funk. Impossible question to answer without so many qualifications attached.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
I don’t think any team with Jason Campbell as their starting QB, and no defensive system whatsoever is competing for a championship.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
KiffinRaider,
got your next wind didya? Gradkowski better than Campbell(or any QB except perhaps Todd Collins and a flightless Pennington?)?
You do take asinine statements and platitudes to levels seen only by politicos and their hacks.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Campbell was only 8-5 if you give him credit for the Rams game where he was pulled after leading us to 3 points by halftime and Grads came in to spark us to victory and the Chargers game which he entered with a 12-0 lead and we were about to lose before Huff’s sack fumble and Branch’s ensuing TD return gave us an 8 point win.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
310.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Terrapin, who do you blame if the Raiders finish worse than 8-8 in 2011?
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the raiders will finish worse than 8-8 in 2011,why?
January 26th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Hue Jack. Al ‘freakin’ Saunders! Man. You gotta be ampped…
But truthfully, all things being equal (i.e we sign the FAs, injuries notwithstanding etc), next year’s success will fall on the defense.
If they improve we’re in the playoffs fo’ sho’
So watch out for who is named DC. That will be the best indication of this team’s success or not
January 26th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Why will the Raiders do worse this year?
Well, two reasons would be that Jason Campbell is the starting QB, and the head coach who stood up to Al Davis has just been fired. I like Hue Jackson, he’s smart. But so far he’s done nothing to disprove that he’s entirely controlled by Al.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Jason Campbell as starting QB, and no defensive system to speak of has me less than “amped”.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Not to mention a few when he only needed to throw for 100-150 yards while the D and running game dominated.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Jason Campbell starting QB, no defensive system, and that strange old guy being “heavily involved”, are 3 reasons, actually, that I’m less than amped.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
It’s a great evening to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Sigh…this Gannon thing.
Anyone who thinks Gannon didn’t play some of the best QB in the NFL for a few years is wack. He wasn’t good, he was great for a brief flash in NFL history. However, what made Gannon great, was the fact he had to tough it out, scrape for every chance to play QB, and learn along the way. Who knows if Gannon would’ve played MVP football later, had he remained a starter on his other teams? What we do know is that he was a great player for a few years…and most players don’t have the same said about them at any point during theirs.
JCampbell, like Gannon, might just end up playing great NFL QB at some point…but, he hasn’t come close to it yet. At least not for more than a few brief moments. What we cannot do is make a person burn hotter than he naturally does…and this is where JCampbell’s doubters come in. Beaten and bloodied, our QB should never be bowed, but JCampbell has been seen to do a pretty good JCutler impersonation in that regard.
I might — might — agree that JCampbell’s a better athlete than Gannon (he’s bigger, and likely stronger), but that doesn’t mean he’s more athletic, or that he has as much talent as Gannon had.
Talent isn’t potential…talent is what you have right now. JCampbell has the potential to improve his talents as a QB…but he hasn’t shown he’s as talented as Gannon to this point, and he hasn’t shown anything resembling greatness except for isolated plays.
Of course, JCampbell’s MY QB, so I hope he shows he’s got more talent next year…and I hope Al’s right about him growing as a QB much the way the great Raiders QB Plunkett did. We know Jason’s got athletic ability…but will it convert to greatness? Only if his confidence level rises, and then he can be a leader of a tough Playoff football team.
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aig-raiders Says:
Say all you can about Vy or Kim Newton, those dudes walk around with the attitude that they will carry you.
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VY? Right up until he strips his clothes off, throws them in the stands, and cries his way out of the stadium. And that’s just one incident of childish behaviour by this so-called leader.
Kim Newton?? It’s easy for pampered superstar COLLEGE athletes to act like leaders in college. Even a sizzurple addict had the NFL fooled (not just Al) for awhile. Kim hasn’t shown me anything more than the same type of “potential” any other star running-QB has…even if he does have a great arm. As far as leadership goes, let’s see how it goes after he’s got a few $Mill$ in his pocket legally, and see if his leadership is a truth or myth. Not convinced here.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
The no defensive system does worry me. I feel like we could have a top-5 D with the talent on that side of the ball and a more complex defensive game plan to keep opponents guessing and thus hesitating.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Nobody has any clue what type of defense we’re going to use next year. What kind of system was this talent drafted for? Nobody’s talking about that. Because they know what kind of system. Al’s system. Man coverage. And Al’s basically going to bring in a DC that runs that system. And, that is no system. Any team can just put 11 on 11. You have to have a scheme that’s somewhat deceptive.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
I don’t know what to make of Kim Newton.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Quick poll: odds of Al signing VY?
I say 40%
January 26th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
I am absolutely certain that most of you here, if you watched Bart Starr or Bob Griese (mediocre game-managing QBs surrounded by superior talent) play you would say they could never win a Super Bowl.
Hostetler, Dilfer, Doug Williams, Johnson, Rypien and yes Plunkett, mediocre to poor QBs that got ‘er done because of the talent surrounding them.
JaSoup is as good as any of those names, so stop puking all over yourselves about needing an elite Dan Fouts or Ken Anderson or Warren Moon.
Do ya get it yet? It is the team that wins.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
319.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Why will the Raiders do worse this year?
Well, two reasons would be that Jason Campbell is the starting QB, and the head coach who stood up to Al Davis has just been fired. I like Hue Jackson, he’s smart. But so far he’s done nothing to disprove that he’s entirely controlled by Al.
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stood up too al davis o.k. i give you that.but what was he right on?
1.cut mike mitchell
2.start grads
3.don`t draft the fastest man in the draft(ford)
4.i can run the offense i don`t need a oc
5.zone blocking
could go on all day
January 26th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
0% chance because
1. not a long ball thrower
2. has “personal problems”
3. even more pressure on Campbell than Bruce provided
January 26th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
You can split hairs all you want, blackdeath, the bottom line is, the coaches that stand up to Al win more games.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
10% on signing VY…and only because you can never say never. Trust me, VY has just as many detractors (if not more) than supporters…and players at each potential destination know all about him.
VY is not risking a draft pick on, and not worth much, relatively speaking, in contract negotiations. If I were to bring in a guy with VY’s track record, it would need to be a bare-bones, minimum contract, plus incentives.
I would not take the keys from JCampbell and give them to VYoung…even though I’ve witnessed VY look incredible on many more occasions than can be said for Jason.
Give me the TEAM guy every time.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
The Real MaddenRaider,
not a al davis fan but if al does`nt hire hue jackson cable is 4-12.i have no respect for cable football mind.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
274.r8rwill Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
aig you are blowing smoke again, gannon had the number one rushing team in the league.. when the smoke clears you can check your stats
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I stand corrected. And we are both wrong!
1998 Raiders ranked 16th in rushing with Jeff George (I mistook this for Gannon’s first year)
1999 Raiders ranked 3rd in the league (not number 1 as you proclaimed). This was Gannon’s first year with the Raiders.
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yeah me too!! i was thinking 2002, when he had the #1 scoring rushing offense…
i never dogged gannon, just can’t stand the spin some guys try to tell us.. the fact is gannon was a nobody when he came here.. he didn’t make the raiders super by himself, and it took him a couple of years!!
January 26th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
KiffinRaider, the 5-11 5-11 5-11 of Giuliani-ness,
8-8 bothered you, so you return to your true roots. hate and negativism.
Raiders are doomed!
the sky is falling!
whee! you go girl!
January 26th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
320.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Jason Campbell as starting QB, and no defensive system to speak of has me less than “amped”.
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How are we gonna play this Sunday? Oh no OMG OMG OMG!!
January 26th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
you can remember when half the crowd was yelling bruce , bruce bruce … where are they now????
the great madden raider was the loudest in here.. gradkowski should thank his lucky stars if he is even in football this year..those who rooted for him are a poor judge of talent..
do you remember plunkett sat on the bench for two years before he got his shot. and fans were calling him a bum!
January 26th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
As we’ve seen for the better part of the past decade(s)… it takes a very special combination of players, coaches, and organization to play great football — especially for more than a year at a time. One BIG mistake drafting your franchise player, and your team is done for for years.
Gannon and Gruden would have likely never had the same success they had here, had they not linked up right here, at that specific moment in time. The Organization was the right combination of so many factors, and all winning organizations are able to keep that chemistry going for years, not just games.
HueJax needs to turn this team into one of those kinds of teams. So far, he seems to be accepted as a great Coach by anyone who is asked…but can he be a great Chemist?
January 26th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
HayesDaze37,
you see it all. gracias.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Ahhh…cocktails. What shall it be tonight? Yes, a primo Margarita I shall make, starting with a little Patron.
I’ll think about the next Jimmy Buffett concert…maybe try to get some tix in the front row (spotter!).
January 26th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Hue Jackson … he’s my son.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Keep it real in here, M!
It’s a great tequila night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
January 26th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
JT the brick….He’s my son too
January 26th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Gradowski…he’s Jim Plunket’s drunken love child
January 26th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
gradkowski and cooper carlisle are cable scholarship guys and i don’t think hue will resign them..
January 26th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Cooper should be done, and possibly should have been done last year, and I’ve called him out numerous times, but I have to admit he’s one of those technique guys, kinda a willey ol’vet that can play above his skill level.
The fact is we ran pretty decent off of the right side, and credit is due.
but yea Grads should be relegated to back up, that is what he is, a capable back, that’s it.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Mlonetre,
Just curious, how many of those guys played in the last 10 years?
Here are the winning QBs of the last 10 seasons
Brady x3
Roethlisberger x2 or x3?
P. Manning
E. Manning
Brees
Johnson
Rodgers?
You’ve got one guy in from 10 years ago who had considerably more success throughout his career than Campbell. The rest of those guys are great QBs with the exception of Eli, who’s still very good at least.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
somebody on here called gradkowski some name of a character from a sci-fi movie. anybody remember what that name was??
January 26th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
HD37
The point is VY and Newton truly believe they can carry their team and has proven as much. JC won at Auburn with 2 top 5 RBs in the next draft. VY and Newton have a lot to prove but I can assure you they will both end their careers with better numbers then JC ever will. JC doesnt carry his team nor does he carry the attitude that can do so.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
327.Chris in NY Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Quick poll: odds of Al signing VY?
I say 40%
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0-8% I say if we go for a QB it will be Alex Smith or a Rnd3-7 draft choice Al see’s Jcamp as the leader for now.
And Gannnon compared to Jcamp is not fair so early in Jcamp’s carrer If Jcamp is MVP someday then we can compare.
January 26th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
m lonetree, i think what some of these guys do is rate players by their fantasy value..as if madden nfl is the real deal..anyone who knows football knows you can’t get this real game from the x-box ish…
January 26th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Anyone who disses Gannon is an idiot…
Gannon completed 43 out of 64 passes against the Steelers for 403 yards….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvPIAXpu7eg
January 26th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
I would sign Vince Young in a heartbeat.
And trade Jason Campbell.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
With JCamp you know what you get, he is servicable, and he’s going to put up points and extend drives…does he have the warrior mentality, probably not, is he going to put the team on his shoulders, i doubt it, but we have other talent out there.
JCamp is a good QB, good, that’s it, but the fact is that’s good enough, and we can win with Campbell, and we will win, and compared to what we’ve had I’m happy.
You want a comparison, Campbell is better than Dilfer, and we’re building a D that Dilfer could have one a superbowl with. THe future is bright with the Raiders. Accept it.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Kirk Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Anyone who disses Gannon is an idiot…
Gannon completed 43 out of 64 passes against the Steelers for 403 yards….
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I remember that game, I think it was MNF, maybe… but that was an awesome game.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Gannon played like a god until the Superbowl, when Tampa Bay knew what plays we were going to run.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
And our Center got drunk
January 26th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Al-Saunders-Im-really-excited.html
Al Saunders interview on NFP.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
thsts how you beat the squeelers just like gannon did…spread them out.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Thanks for the link E.T.
Nice read.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
I saw Jay Glazer earlier today on NFLN. He was speculating that if a labor deal doesn’t get done in time, there may be no free agency this year. Everything would stay as is, for one more year.
That might actually benefit Oakland this year, given their number of potential fa’s. Might give em a chance to extend some of those contracts.
I don’t see it happening, but he threw it out there as a possibility.
January 26th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Sunday Night Football
January 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Charlie Garner had an incedible run that night against pitt., its on youtube
January 26th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
No CBA + owners ending lockout means complete free agency for all not under contract.
Owners will have no rights to players unless under contract.
U.S. statutes prevail over what the owners would want, owners need a CBA to control player movement.
This is the one edge that each individual player has.
Of course there is no minimum salary cap as there would be no maximum salary cap, owners could pay anywhere from minimum wage to $100,000,000.00 a player.
The Asomughas, Mannings, and Seymours would benefit as the role players would get screwed.
January 26th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Quick poll: odds of Al signing VY?
I say 40%
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I don’t know, according to what Al said at the press conference about Ja Russel. Seems like he is done with players with personal problems. According to his statements I think the chances are pretty slim.
January 26th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
As we’ve seen for the better part of the past decade(s)… it takes a very special combination of players, coaches, and organization to play great football — especially for more than a year at a time. One BIG mistake drafting your franchise player, and your team is done for for years.
Gannon and Gruden would have likely never had the same success they had here, had they not linked up right here, at that specific moment in time. The Organization was the right combination of so many factors, and all winning organizations are able to keep that chemistry going for years, not just games.
HueJax needs to turn this team into one of those kinds of teams. So far, he seems to be accepted as a great Coach by anyone who is asked…but can he be a great Chemist?
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Why is it so hard for people to get this???? Believing the media hype about this being a “qb’s league” is like believing in Santa Klaus! Wake up! Great TEAMS make great QBs.
January 26th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
NO WAY….
heres how it went down im sure…
Jets mangemenet: Thurman, oak wants to interview you. its a promotion.
Thurman: no chance i want to go there. however i dont want to look bad to other teams (ie rejecting a promotion). can you guys ‘deny’ the request? id be happy to stay here for a chance at a REAL promotion here or one of the other 30 teams in 2011.
Jets: sure. can do.
thurman: thanks! wheeww!
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# BART Bridge Blues Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 11:49 am
this whole thing just stinks becuase once again this is caused by Al Davis fostering a hostile environment for coaches in Alameda. I could see the Jets going to Thurman after the request was made and telling him:
“Look, we are gonna deny the Raider’s request and if you give us one more year; then after next season you will get offers from much better organizations and we wont deny those. Deal?”
January 26th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Why is it so hard for people to get this???? Believing the media hype about this being a “qb’s league” is like believing in Santa Klaus! Wake up! Great TEAMS make great QBs.
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Just a question and not arguing but, do you think the Colts would be any good without Peyton?
January 26th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Why tip toe and raise a white flag for asking that question? DOnt want to offend some sensitive pud? The Colts would be a 5 or 6 win team a year without Manning. Big deal, I said it.
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# Raiders for life Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Just a question and not arguing but, do you think the Colts would be any good without Peyton?
January 26th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
As we’ve seen for the better part of the past decade(s)… it takes a very special combination of players, coaches, and organization to play great football — especially for more than a year at a time. One BIG mistake drafting your franchise player, and your team is done for for years.
Gannon and Gruden would have likely never had the same success they had here, had they not linked up right here, at that specific moment in time. The Organization was the right combination of so many factors, and all winning organizations are able to keep that chemistry going for years, not just games.
HueJax needs to turn this team into one of those kinds of teams. So far, he seems to be accepted as a great Coach by anyone who is asked…but can he be a great Chemist?
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Hell yeah I do. And this is coming from a guy who thinks Peyton is the best. The day he walked in the door he had Marvin Harrison and Marshall Faulk, Over the years, they added guys like Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark, all high draft picks. They’ve had a very good, stable offensive coaching staff and Tony Dungy did a great job with the Tampa Two there. Again, Manning is a great player, but like all great players, to show it in games, ge needs great players around him.
January 26th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
OakGlen/Debo/666/Seymour,
You’ve been busy with all your aliases lately.
Welcome back numnutz.
January 26th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Colts would win about two games with their current backups. Probably about 5 or 6 with Jason Campbell. Raiders are probably a 13 win team right now with Manning.
I think if we had Aaron Rodgers there’s also an excellent chance we’re in the SB right now.
Vince Young would’ve gotten us at least 10 wins and a division title plus a shot in the tourney. What’s Tenn’s record with VY and w/o VY the last two seasons.
Anyone?
January 26th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
All Thurman would have to do is decline an offer. Just because someone shows interest doesn’t obligate a person to take the deal. The Jets probably wanted to keep him.
January 26th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
OakGlen/Debo/666/Seymour,
You’ve been busy with all your aliases lately.
Welcome back numnutz.
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Thanks. By the way, I’m sure you’ve been researching the FB prospects we Oakland can use it’s 1st pick on for the next five years. Got any names??
January 26th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Im cool with Reece, he came out of nowhere. You are obviously not satisfied, who do you like in the 2011 draft numnutz?
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# RaiderDebo Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Thanks. By the way, I’m sure you’ve been researching the FB prospects we Oakland can use it’s 1st pick on for the next five years. Got any names??
January 26th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Titans …
With VY – 12-7
Without VY – 2-11
January 26th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
So you arent even denying those are your aliases anymore, at least you’ve come that far! The first step towards recovery from mental illness is admitting the problem.
Nothing but props to you OakGlen!
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RaiderDebo Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
OakGlen/Debo/666/Seymour,
You’ve been busy with all your aliases lately.
Welcome back numnutz.
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Thanks. By the way,
January 26th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Chris, you are the only one that wants to talk about VY.
Knock yourself out.
lol
January 26th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Im cool with Reece, he came out of nowhere. You are obviously not satisfied, who do you like in the 2011 draft numnutz?
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# RaiderDebo Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Thanks. By the way, I’m sure you’ve been researching the FB prospects we Oakland can use it’s 1st pick on for the next five years. Got any names??
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Glad to hear you’re not cryin in your milk since we took Romac instead of John Conner. Have a good night.
January 26th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Titus Young of Boise St. appears to be moving up the draft boards.
Many had him going in the 3rd-5th rounds, now some are speculating he could go in the second, comparisons being made to Vincent Jackson.
Should the Raiders consider him with the #17 in the 2nd?
I feel he is a Mr. Ford clone, in that he great WR (maybe even better than Jacoby) and returns KOs, but not punts.
January 26th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
346.Roch R Says:
January 26th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Cooper should be done, and possibly should have been done last year, and I’ve called him out numerous times, but I have to admit he’s one of those technique guys, kinda a willey ol’vet that can play above his skill level.
The fact is we ran pretty decent off of the right side, and credit is due.
but yea Grads should be relegated to back up, that is what he is, a capable back, that’s it.
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Our line gradded in the BOTTOM half of the NFL running to the righ. and in the TOP 5 running to the left.
January 26th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
The Salem witch trials were a series of hearings before county court trials to prosecute people accused of witchcraft in the counties of Essex, Suffolk, and Middlesex in colonial Massachusetts, between February 1692 and May 1693. Despite being generally known as the Salem witch trials, the preliminary hearings in 1692 were conducted in a variety of towns across the province: Salem Village.a Republican would accuse someone of witchcraft then once they were burned or hanged,yhe republican would sieze the deceased land.
January 26th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
new post
January 26th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
why has no other news organizations picked up on the Jets denying Raiders access to Thurman?
January 26th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Here’s the average Raider “fan” on this blog:
-Our QB sucks
-The win at Denver was because we just got ‘em at their low point
-The win at home over SD was lucky
-The win over KC at home was lucky too
-The loss against Pittsburgh was the “real” Raiders
-The loss against Miami was again the “real” Raiders as well as the loss against Jacksonville.
-The win on the road against SD was a fluke. They underestimated us. It was more SD beating themselves than anything else.
-The last game against KC was meaningless
-Al Davis is the biggest jerk in sports
-The Oakland Coliseum is a cesspool
-No players or coaches want to come here…EVER
-Raiders are still a laughingstock
-Pittsburgh Steelers are a “class” organization and Raiders are garbage
-Raiders are gonna suck next year for sure. Be lucky to win 7 games, if that
-All our current players don’t wanna be here. Just wait and see
I’m sure I missed a few. It’s great being here on the Kansas City Chiefs official Raider hater blog.
October 21st, 2011 at 2:25 am
666 games|games 666…
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