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Glazer: Raiders denied in bid to talk to Thurman

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, January 26th, 2011 at 10:31 am in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders requested permission to talk to New York Jets defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman about the vacant defensive coordinator position but were told no, according to the Twitter account of Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer.

(Yes, I’m pretty sure this is the real Jay Glazer, unlike the erroneous information I passed along Wednesday).

Thurman was on the Baltimore Ravens’ staff with Hue Jackson before joining the New York Jets in 2009 and also worked with Jackson for a year on the USC staff in 2000.

Teams can deny permission to speak to coaches even in the case of a promotion unless it is for a head coaching job.

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  • DeuceDeuce

    Silver-and-black666 Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    DeuceDeuce

    Why do you cry so much?

    Are you related to Jay Cutler?

    Brady is a great QB so is manning and they are not in the Super Bowl you can’t read dude, try again.

    Huh? You said the formula for a successsful team included a GREAT QB..I pointed out a few teams that were successful and didnt have a GREAT QB…

    Then you tell me THOSE teams arent in the Super Bowl…

    Now you point out Brady & Manning not being in the SB…huh?

    But im the one who needs to read?

  • DeuceDeuce

    DT42 Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    OK. Point taken. But Branch gets burned because he gambles and overcommits not because he doesnt fit the scheme.

    The scheme calls for a fast guy who can hit & cover. Thats him.

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Technically he would have had a impact in that area.. he called out the line shifts and responsibility..

    Im not saying we would have won with him but it would have been a big plus to have him..

    …………

    Yeah, I’m sure that veteran o-line was just lost without their brain center….Barret Robbins.

  • Chris in NY

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    Chris in NY Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Sanchez, Palmer, Garrard, V Young & McNabb arent better than Campbell.

    ———————-

    I’d take any of them over Campbell, in this order:

    - Vince Young just wins. He’s not a traditional pocket passer but a dynamic threat. And I’d probably take him strictly as a passer over Campbell as well. Better pocket awareness and a willingness to at least try some throws down the field.

    - Mark Sanchez. Not great, but the kid has been to 2 AFC Championship games to start his career. The former high first round pick should at least be pretty good with a chance to be very good.

    - Carson Palmer. Had some rough times this year and if you base it off that most recent history then you’re probably right. But careers as a whole and what they’ve shown they can do and its no contest in Palmer’s favor.

    - Garrard. Doesn’t get much respect as a relatively little-known guy out of college who has since toiled away in Jacksonville. But he’s tough, mobile and a better passer than Campbell, IMO.

    - McNabb. This is another one where it’s no contest before the 2010 season. I know he struggled and has been dumped by two pretty respected offensive-minded coaches though. So those are enough warning flags to put him at the bottom of this list. But I’d still probably take a gamble him over Campbell.

  • RaiderRetribution

    if Locher or Newton fall to #48 then lets take him, other than that, take a QB in the 5th-7th round, unless Pettis, Gilbert, or Matthews falls then grab one of them,

    this year we focus on O-Line and best players available!

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    # RaiderRetribution Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Go 4-4-3

    stop the run!

    ………..

    LOL. Yeah, sure. How about we go to the old 6-2-3 that we used my freshman year in HS. That will stop the run. We can just go goal line every down, too. Guaranteed nobody’s running on us.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    Anyone who thinks Jason Campbell can somehow develop into a QB that is as good or productive as Gannon was in Oakland is sadly mistaken.

    Doesn’t mean we should get rid of Campbell, but if a decent QB is out there we should certainly look into it, because Jason Campbell is what he is….an inconsistent slightly below average QB that will rarely if ever put the team on his shoulders and win a game.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    Borsilli Eddie Borsilli
    Alot of JaMarcus talk down here. Heard at least 5 teams wanna sign him but not at 288 lb’s Teams scared to b the laughing stock of the NFL

    Borsilli Eddie Borsilli
    He lost some weight but is still at least 270. Doesnt get why teams won’t give him a shot. This guy will never get it

    ………

    Jesus H. Christ… this is just sad.

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    r8rwill Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    he had three good years here and then he disappeared into the sunset..

    ………

    You dumb ass, he was in his late 30s. It’s called retirement. Only a Davis worshiping tard would hold it against a player for approaching the 4-0 and losing their step.

  • DeuceDeuce

    Chris in NY Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    Chris in NY Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Sanchez, Palmer, Garrard, V Young & McNabb arent better than Campbell.

    ———————-

    I’d take any of them over Campbell, in this order:

    If were playing Madden id take Vince Young.

    If this was 4 years ago id take Palmer & McNabb

    If were talking 4 years from now id take Sanchez

    Garrard & Campbell are basically clones.

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    Vince Evans had no good years here and stayed for about 10 years, and I think he was 40 when he first arrived.

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
    r8rwill Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    he had three good years here and then he disappeared into the sunset..

    ………

    You dumb ass, he was in his late 30s. It’s called retirement. Only a Davis worshiping tard would hold it against a player for approaching the 4-0 and losing their step.

    I dont even think he lost anything really…just that hit from Brooks ended it..

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Dakota Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Anyone who thinks Jason Campbell can somehow develop into a QB that is as good or productive as Gannon was in Oakland is sadly mistaken.
    ————————–
    I do, why not?

  • RaiderRockstar

    lol @ 75!

    I wonder what Debo thinks about that ???

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    Davis loyalists, showing again how they’re all about the players. Now they’re bashing Gannon for being injury prone in his late 30′s.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    Hey rockstar I found you on twitter. I’m following you.

  • SharkCatcher

    I wish they brought in tory holt to be our wr coach or Tim Brown

  • r8rwill

    i think we are just two or three players away from being the bully hujax talks about. i was talking to a knowledgeable raider fan the other day , he pointed out that the teams we played went five and ten the week after they played us!! that is a telling stat. that speaks volumes about our guys….

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
    Davis loyalists, showing again how they’re all about the players. Now they’re bashing Gannon for being injury prone in his late 30’s.

    Was he even hurt a lot? Other than the common NFL stuff, I dont remember him missing any time at all…

    That damn hit from Brooks ended his career, nothing else.

  • SharkCatcher

    the guy showing dhb how to run routeshttp://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/82021359.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA5480C8EF386C1A2D3B103557CDD4E3EEABD6132FCBD38B52DEAE30A760B0D811297

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    It’s like some kind of cultist group-think. They anticipate his wishes and begin genuflecting, over and over.

  • Chris in NY

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
    Silver-and-black666 Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
    DeuceDeuce

    Why do you cry so much?

    Are you related to Jay Cutler?

    Brady is a great QB so is manning and they are not in the Super Bowl you can’t read dude, try again.

    Huh? You said the formula for a successsful team included a GREAT QB..I pointed out a few teams that were successful and didnt have a GREAT QB…

    Then you tell me THOSE teams arent in the Super Bowl…

    Now you point out Brady & Manning not being in the SB…huh?

    But im the one who needs to read?

    ————————————

    It was odd that non-great QBs like Sanchez and Cutler got that far. But no coincidence they didn’t make it to the Super Bowl while some of the best in the game like Rodgers and Roethlisberger did.

    Look at last year’s playoff QBs:
    AFC – Manning, Brady, Rivers, Sanchez, Flacco, Palmer
    NFC – Brees, McNabb, Romo, Warner, Rodgers, Favre

    4 future Hall of Famers (Brady, Manning, Favre, Warner). 3 guys (Rodgers, Rivers, Brees) who could be headed in that direction. 3 guys with multiple Pro Bowls under their belt (Romo, McNabb, Palmer). And a pair of young first-round pick QBs.

    And look at recent SB matchups
    - Rodgers-Roethlisberger
    - Brees-Manning
    - Roethlisberger-Warner
    - Brady-E.Manning

    I missed what you guys were talking about, but you can’t argue that it’s extremely rare to be successful in the NFL right now without a very good QB.

  • DeuceDeuce

    Chris in NY Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    I missed what you guys were talking about, but you can’t argue that it’s extremely rare to be successful in the NFL right now without a very good QB.

    Oh ok. Yea i agree you need good QB play obviously.

    But i do think, and its been done, you can win a SB with a good game manager also. Just need the right supporting cast..

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    213.KoolKell Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
    Dakota Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Anyone who thinks Jason Campbell can somehow develop into a QB that is as good or productive as Gannon was in Oakland is sadly mistaken.
    ————————–
    I do, why not?
    ___________

    See #151.

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    That damn hit from Brooks ended his career, nothing else

    ……….

    Age?

  • r8rwill

    we need a veteran wide out, a monster left tackle, and a safety who instills fear in the other team.. we need to resign our guys like nnambdi and big rich.. unlike cable, i think hue will have these guys prepared to play..

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
    DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    That damn hit from Brooks ended his career, nothing else

    ……….

    Age?

    That played into it yeah…He probably attempts a comeback after that hit if hes 28

  • alex7

    DeuceDeuce,

    Jason Campbell MIGHT one day be as good as David Garrard.

    What a sad ceiling to have as your starting QB.

    MAYBE one day JC can throw for 3,600 yards or 23 TDs or an 18 to 3 TD to INT ratio and make the playoffs.

    But probably he never will be that good. He turns 30 next year. Starter for 6 seasons. Not much hope that there’s some crazy untapped potential that many starts into your NFL career.

  • alex7

    also deucedeuce,

    because Al won’t allow anything even close to the Ravens and Bucs exotic D schemes, we’ll never have that dominant D that can guide a game-manager (which JC certainly is NOT) into the playoffs.

    So if no exotic D, then you need a top QB.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year.

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    Well, then there’s obviously “something else”. His age.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year.

    I believe that’s better than Gannon’s first year here, no?

  • DeuceDeuce

    alex7 Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    DeuceDeuce,

    Jason Campbell MIGHT one day be as good as David Garrard.

    What a sad ceiling to have as your starting QB.

    MAYBE one day JC can throw for 3,600 yards or 23 TDs or an 18 to 3 TD to INT ratio and make the playoffs.

    Campbell threw for 3618 yds & 20 TDs the year before he got here…?

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    Campbell would have been 8-8 if he’d started those 3 games. Campbell just isn’t nearly as good under pressure as Gannon was.

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    Well, then there’s obviously “something else”. His age.

    We’ll never know that tho right…We do know he never played after taking the Brooks hit tho lol…?

  • Seymour Bush

    On par with Campbell (8)
    - Hasselbeck
    - Alex Smith
    - Cutler
    - Stafford
    - Cassel
    - Henne
    - Fitzpatrick
    - Kerry Collins
    ===================================

    Hasselbeck has been to three Pro Bowls and one Super Bowl. Even Cutler made the pro bowl. Collins has been to two Pro Bowls and One Super Bowl. Campbell has never had a QB rating above 90 for a season, and has a losing record as a starter. Bottom of the barrel there.

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
    Campbell would have been 8-8 if he’d started those 3 games. Campbell just isn’t nearly as good under pressure as Gannon was.

    That is true but Gannon had quick striking plays being called, rarely big drop backs like Campbell…So there was less pressure..

    And the whole good under pressure thing kinda opens up questions about the Super Bowl performance…

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Gannon had Jerry Rice & Tim Brown to bail him out.

  • DeuceDeuce

    alex7 Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    also deucedeuce,

    because Al won’t allow anything even close to the Ravens and Bucs exotic D schemes, we’ll never have that dominant D that can guide a game-manager (which JC certainly is NOT) into the playoffs.

    So if no exotic D, then you need a top QB.


    We had the team to do just that this year and blew it..

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    # DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    Well, then there’s obviously “something else”. His age.

    We’ll never know that tho right…We do know he never played after taking the Brooks hit tho lol…?

    …………

    Keep bashing the players, Deuce. Keep proving to us how you guys and your hero Al Davis are all about the players.

  • UCLA Raiders

    Raiders run defense rank since 2002:

    2010 – 29th
    2009 – 29th
    2008 – 31st
    2007 – 31st
    2006 – 25th
    2005 – 25th
    2004 – 22nd
    2003 – 32nd
    2002 – 3rd

    One of those things is not like the other. Also, one of those years we went to the Super Bowl.

    One conclusion and one question is raised by this data. The conclusion: Stop the run and win games. The question: why has the team been incapable of stopping the run?
    ______________________________________________________________________________

    Gap discipline is all fine and dandy but at end of day you need talent.
    So who was on defense in 2002 team?
    Defensive Linemen
    99 DeLawrence Grant
    97 John Parrella
    95 Sam Adams
    93 Trace Armstrong
    91 Regan Upshaw
    92 Junior Ioane
    57 Rod Coleman
    75 Chris Cooper
    Linebackers
    53 Bill Romanowski
    55 Travian Smith
    50 Eric Barton
    41 Eric Johnson
    51 Tim Johnson
    58 Napoleon Harris

    Perela, Adams and Coleman up front backed by Romo at MLB got the job done.
    And in the years after 2002 the personnel just didn’t get the job done due to lack on talent either at the line or LBs or both. period.

  • Silver-and-black666

    douche douche

    Gannon was good under pressure but he did not have a good performance in the Super Bowl for the obvious reason…If I have to spell that out for you then there is no hope of your IQ getting any higher.

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    # DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    And the whole good under pressure thing kinda opens up questions about the Super Bowl performance…

    ….

    No, it doesn’t. Because I already accounted for it.

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Campbell isn’t as tough as Gannon, period. I’ve seen Gannon get overwhelmed by defenses, notably TB and Baltimore, and I’ll even throw in Miami in ‘02, but Gannon never showed fear when he had the opponent by the throat, like Campbell did against Pittsburgh when we were on their 10 yard line on the first drive! He took one hit and that was all. He looked petrified the next two plays, and we wound up kicking a FG. That set the tone for the game. We marched right down there, then he just caved. Campbell is a good quarterback if he’s under ZERO pressure. But Gannon was just better at persevering when the heat was on.

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    232.KoolKell Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year.

    I believe that’s better than Gannon’s first year here, no?
    ++++++++

    Proves nothing. Fact of the matter is that Gannon was a QB who took complete control of games and won them for us. Campbell handed off to McFadden and Bush and did very little to win games. Best case Campbell becomes an adequate game manager. Rich Gannon was a guy who won games from the QB position.

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    666, don’t you find it odd that Deuce Deuce, a noted Davis loyalist, is bashing our second best rated passer of all time? I thought these Davis guys were all about the players?

  • http://blackhillsphoto.com/sturgis-weddings/black-hills-weddings.jpg Dakota

    238.KoolKell Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
    Gannon had Jerry Rice & Tim Brown to bail him out.
    ++++++++++++

    Lol…no he had Brown, James Jett and some other no-names WRs most of his time here.

  • r8rwill

    about that wide out, v. jax, plax, boldin, even brailon edwards or TO but please not slocho cinco…we had mike williams here for a minute, he didn’t look anything like he did this year… if chaz can stay healthy he’ll do.. i know i know he can’t stay healthy

  • Silver-and-black666

    MR

    I am sick of the AD loyalists and as you know I used to be one years ago and you used to bash me for it but I have had enough of the circus.

    You don’t hire a head coach and spend his crowning moment bashing ex employees That was the final straw for me

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Jason Campbell was 8-5 with the Raiders his first year, ok? You can rationalize anything you want to.

  • DeuceDeuce

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    # DeuceDeuce Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    Well, then there’s obviously “something else”. His age.

    We’ll never know that tho right…We do know he never played after taking the Brooks hit tho lol…?

    …………

    Keep bashing the players, Deuce. Keep proving to us how you guys and your hero Al Davis are all about the players.

    Where did i bash anyone? Gannon is one of my favorite Raiders ever…ive met him before…