Report: McClain unhurt in drive-by shooting
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, January 28th, 2011 at 12:22 pm in Oakland Raiders.
According to a local report in Decatur, Ala., Raiders middle linebacker Rolando McClain was unhurt in a drive-by shooting incident.
Here’s a link to the story on the WHNT Web site.
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January 28th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
http://wethewest.com/wethewestcom/video/3562/THE-OFFICIAL-BLACK-%26-SILVER-VIDEO-(OAKLAND-RAIDERS)-BY-DA-PROBLEM.html
January 28th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
That’s no joke. Thank God he’s ok.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
“I asked him, ‘Where do you want to go?’ He said, ‘A winning team.’”- Revis, on Asomugha
Paul Gutierrez (twitter)
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Bye #21
January 28th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
3.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
“I asked him, ‘Where do you want to go?’ He said, ‘A winning team.’”- Revis, on Asomugha
Paul Gutierrez (twitter)
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Bye #21
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Well, there you go. That defines Al’s job if he wants to retain Nnamdi: convince him the Raiders will be a winning team from here on out.
I think you’re right though, RRS. I can’t blame Nnamdi if he doesn’t believe the Raiders will be a winning team….he’s had the rug jerked out from under him so many times since he’s been in Oakland.
I think at best, he signs a 1 year deal as a sort of “last chance to become a winner” type thing and if the Raiders faceplant in 2011, he’s gone with the wind.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
thats the kind of schyt that happens. “When Keeping It ReaL Goes Wrong”
January 28th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
PA,
I think Al Davis may have lied about Nnamdi in that press conf when he said that we almost traded him to the Jets, but #21 requested to stay
I mean, seriously? It took Al Davis paying double what anybody else would to get him under contract last time!
January 28th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Not knowing that area where he was driving it’s hard to say what happened. But, if he was in a really bad area (and I don’t have to name the kind I’m thinking of in Oakland) then he’s got some explaining to do as to why he was there and who he was with.
The Raiders will have questions for him if this was the case and so will the NFL. But, until I see otherwise then it might just be wrong place, wrong time. Glad he was unhurt.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
I remember hearing that McClain had some pretty sketch family, lots of drug issues, etc. I imagine he was just visiting family and that happens to be in a bad part of town, these things happen.
The Raiders really dodged a bullet on this one (pun intended)
January 28th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
[...] to a local report in Decatur, Ala. (via the Contra Costa Times), Raiders middle linebacker Rolando McClain was unhurt in a drive-by shooting incident.”Our [...]
January 28th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@Big Pep: Keeping it real… real dumb!
Glad his is ok, but he’s get to make better choices and not put himself in those situations. There are haters everywhere, so he has to be careful.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@Rockstar,
Did you see this interviw? Not saying you are wrong, Aso is loyal to Davis.
“Oh yeah, 100 percent that’s a true story. That’s a true story. He called me. He called me and he asked me, ‘What do you want to do? You want to be traded?’ I didn’t know that was something that was going to be discussed to the media, but it was and it’s a true story.”
Read more: Exclusive: 1-on-1 with Raiders CB Asomugha
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
http://www.csnbayarea.com/01/26/11/img-srchttpcsnbayareacomcommonglobal_ima/landing_raiders.html?blockID=398500&feedID=2539
January 28th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
I remember hearing that McClain had some pretty sketch family, lots of drug issues, etc. I imagine he was just visiting family and that happens to be in a bad part of town, these things happen.
The Raiders really dodged a bullet on this one (pun intended)
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Wonder if this is the reason he is so leary of the media? Afraid that some jack@$$ reporter could screw him over.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
PA,
I think Al Davis may have lied about Nnamdi in that press conf when he said that we almost traded him to the Jets, but #21 requested to stay
I mean, seriously? It took Al Davis paying double what anybody else would to get him under contract last time!
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Nnamdi confirmed it as true tho…?
January 28th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
10.RaiderMight Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@Big Pep: Keeping it real… real dumb!
Glad his is ok, but he’s get to make better choices and not put himself in those situations. There are haters everywhere, so he has to be careful.
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dont get your feelings hurt, just when i read it, reminded me of dave chappelle show. if you read it correctly the quotation marks would have said it all. but i guess im the a hole.
January 28th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
http://www.digitaldecatur.com/
January 28th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
I remember hearing that McClain had some pretty sketch family, lots of drug issues, etc. I imagine he was just visiting family and that happens to be in a bad part of town, these things happen.
The Raiders really dodged a bullet on this one (pun intended)
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Wonder if this is the reason he is so leary of the media? Afraid that some jack@$$ reporter could screw him over.
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Oh yeah….that happens to me all the time!!
BANG BANG BANG!!!LOL!
January 28th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Isn’t the Jets defense what Davis envisons the Raiders defense to be (Although it is a 3-4)? A defense built around CBs and man-to-man coverage?
January 28th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Oakland Raiders Buzz, nthngd2say2, Lil GB, RaiderMight, Jerry McDonald and others. Jerry McDonald said: McClain gets a scare . . . http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/01/28/report-mcclain-unhurt-in-drive-by-shooting/ [...]
January 28th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
He may have been going to the barbershop for all we know.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Man, you guys better not mess with R8eray…
No, I didn’t mean the gun issues. I meant his family being crazy, his Crohn’s disease, etc.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Isn’t the Jets defense what Davis envisons the Raiders defense to be (Although it is a 3-4)? A defense built around CBs and man-to-man coverage?
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I think its more the other way around…Believe “Coach” Davis has been running it a tad longer…
January 28th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
later Nnam..
January 28th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
its all gonna boil down to Al giving Nnamdi a lil more $ than the “winners” to stay…
January 28th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
How many of the winners run a defense that suits Nnamdi….Cover 2/Zone isnt his cup of tea…
Jets obviously…who else..
January 28th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
After watching him in Senior Bowl practices, FOX Sport’s Adam Caplan Gave Washington QB Jake Locker a third-round draft grade.
YES…..that means we have a CHANCE!!!!
January 28th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Isn’t the Jets defense what Davis envisons the Raiders defense to be (Although it is a 3-4)? A defense built around CBs and man-to-man coverage?
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I think its more the other way around…Believe “Coach” Davis has been running it a tad longer…
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What? I said that the Jets have implemented Davis’s vision of a Defense. How is that the other way around?
(1) Davis Vision/philosophy of a Defense.
(2) The Jets bring in defensive personel and implement a Davis type defense.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
key to a dominate man to man is to have two outstanding cornerbacks or one dominate CB and a dominant safety, that is when the Raiders were successful
January 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Jets are going to go after Nnamdi, what are the differences in taxes between NY and CA anyway?
January 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Isn’t the Jets defense what Davis envisons the Raiders defense to be (Although it is a 3-4)? A defense built around CBs and man-to-man coverage?
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I think its more the other way around…Believe “Coach” Davis has been running it a tad longer…
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What? I said that the Jets have implemented Davis’s vision of a Defense. How is that the other way around?
(1) Davis Vision/philosophy of a Defense.
(2) The Jets bring in defensive personel and implement a Davis type defense.
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Yea…read it wrong way…lol
But if you read what you wrote it could go either way lol
January 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
thankfully McClain is okay, I wonder if this has anything to do with when he had to take a leave of absence last tseason
January 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Jets are going to go after Nnamdi, what are the differences in taxes between NY and CA anyway?
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be even scarier if they go after Nnamdi AND Huff..
January 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Raiders just might have to be taking a second look at LBs in the draft.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
thankfully McClain is okay, I wonder if this has anything to do with when he had to take a leave of absence last tseason
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They were disgruntled Raider fans who saw a fancy car and thought it was Jamarcus…
January 28th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
This is why, when you’ve got a chance to get out, you get out. None of that”keeping it real” and sticking around nonsense
January 28th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Jets would have the best defensive backfield, if they acquired Nnamdi and Huff, combining those two with Revis & Cromartie…
would remind me of when the Raiders had Haynes, Hayes, Davis, & McElroy the best corp of DBs of all time!
January 28th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
r8eray Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
After watching him in Senior Bowl practices, FOX Sport’s Adam Caplan Gave Washington QB Jake Locker a third-round draft grade.
YES…..that means we have a CHANCE!!!!
The guy had horrible receivers to work with not more evident than in this year bowl game where could not for the life of them beat the press coverage. As for Rolando can’t blame the guy if he’s visiting family or friends in the hood, thank goodness he’s ok
January 28th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
“I asked him, ‘Where do you want to go?’ He said, ‘A winning team.’”- Revis, on Asomugha
Paul Gutierrez (twitter)
That means he’s coming back because, “we aren’t losers anymore”
January 28th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Still stoked about the Raiders signing Mr. Wisniewski to their offensive coaching staff!
Hue = HC/OC
Al = OC
Wisiewski = asst O-Line
Lal = WR (I’m willing to give him another shot with having AL & Hue leading him, especially now that the Raiders WRs are not so green and they have stability at QB).
Henry = TE
Skipper = RB (with the succes he has had, possibly most underrated coach in the NFL)
January 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Patriots would probably use on of their 1st round picks on Locher as a long term solution to Brady.
Belichek would love to mold another in his vision.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Huffy247 Michael Huff
#raidernation I just talked to Rolando and he’s doin good, everything is fine.
January 28th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
don’t know if any of you have read ‘Shibumi’ but among the many human exposes Trevanian captures is a small scene set in the countryside of SW France.
a young woman is walking along a road clad in t-shirt, walking shorts and hiking boots. two old women that have never seen her before are watching her approach.
the old women feel she is a hussy because her legs are exposed. they further decide that she is a whore from Bayonne. and that she became a whore because she got caught having an affair with her brother-in-law and was therefore cast out of the family.
as the young woman passes the old women they exchange “bonjours” after which the old women share a knowing smile because they sussed out who she really is without knowing anything about her at all.
kinda like what goes on in here.
I have no recollection that Al said anything about the Jets by name when he mentioned in the presser that he had asked Nnamdi if he wanted to be traded.
but somebody decided he said it so you run with it.
January 28th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Please stop with this talk of drafting a qb. this has to be one of the worst qb classes in recent history. Cam newton is the only qb worth consideration, and I highly doubt he would be available when we pick. Even he isnt nfl ready, and will need to sit for at least a year. the rest of the qbs dont have anything close to newton’s upside or potential. There is noone outside of newton that could possibly develop into a player on par with JC in this draft. Taking a qb would be a terrible waste of a pick.
If your looking for insurance as a back up keep what we have ( minus gradkowski) or take one of the retread free agents. thius talk of drafting a qb like locker is madness.
Mallet= ryan leaf, big strong arm, falls apart under pressure, and and lacks poise in every since of the word. Trashes his teammates on the field and loses his cool. how can a qb start for years in college and never be voted team captain?
Locker = tuiosopo, poor decisions doesnt read defense, and has terriblle accuracy issues.
January 28th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@M Lonetree
Did you read the Aso interview? The call came from Al right after the Pro Bowl/Aso/Revis/Jets story.
Jerry Mac Reported That:
“When there were stories that Asomugha wanted to play with the New York Jets and Darrelle Revis, Davis said he him asked him point blank if he wished to be traded.
“He said, `No. I want to stay. I don’t want to go.’ ‘’
January 28th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Well I guess Jim Zorn couldn’t fill those big shoes left by Hue Jackson, lol!
January 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
jets cant even sign there own free agents….
January 28th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Please stop with this talk of drafting a qb. this has to be one of the worst qb classes in recent history. Cam newton is the only qb worth consideration, and I highly doubt he would be available when we pick. Even he isnt nfl ready, and will need to sit for at least a year. the rest of the qbs dont have anything close to newton’s upside or potential. There is noone outside of newton that could possibly develop into a player on par with JC in this draft. Taking a qb would be a terrible waste of a pick.
If your looking for insurance as a back up keep what we have ( minus gradkowski) or take one of the retread free agents. thius talk of drafting a qb like locker is madness.
Mallet= ryan leaf, big strong arm, falls apart under pressure, and and lacks poise in every since of the word. Trashes his teammates on the field and loses his cool. how can a qb start for years in college and never be voted team captain?
Locker = tuiosopo, poor decisions doesnt read defense, and has terriblle accuracy issues.
Hard to tell what kind of qb he is with the quality of receivers he had to work with. Looked very accurate in healthier times and he’s a threat running the ball. We have more pressing needs: LG, C, RT, SLB, CB, FS, WR depending on how FA shakes out but I’d take him in the third although he won’t last that long
January 28th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
2nd – Wisniewski G/C Penn St(we had to trade our sixth and a player to move up) & (Jimmy Smith was already drafted)
2nd – Austin DT/DE UNC (we traded our 3rd and 5th to move up into the late second)
4th – Pettis WR Boise St
5th – Gilbert OT Florida
5th – Gilchrest S/CB Clemson (we traded our 5th and 7th of 2012)
January 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
mistic is on to something here, about how this q.b. class suxs but the only thing im gonna add to that is kim newton also sucs.
January 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
it would be ironic should the Raiders sign Mr. Zorn as QBs coach, three of Mr. Campbell’s former OC would oversee him together.
January 28th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
this qb class I think all need grooming, I don not have a problem with the Raiders drafting one, but only with the 5th, 6th, or 7th pick.
I see Newton, Locher playing behind Peyton and/or Brady, just as Brady played behind Bledsoe and Rogers behind Favre.
January 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
“McClain then chased down the shooter and body slammed him with a crushing blindside tackle”
Seriously though, glad he’s ok…
January 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
revis is full of schyt, last i remember jets have all but 1 super bowl so fuc him and the J-E-T-S JETS,JETS,JETS
January 28th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
48. Thats funny. “Kim” Davis could care less about him and thats a good thing.
Cams got bad news written all over him. His Dad is trouble already.
A lil worried about Campbell re united with Saunders but we shall see.
Looks like maybe, just maybe Aso could go and if he does it could free up money for a real WR.
Ocho anyone?
January 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
brady went to new england and took that job from bledsoe, he didnt need to be groomed and when bledsoe left to dallas romo took his job there.
January 28th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
no ocho, just big nasties on both sides.imo
January 28th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
a rookie salary cap could actually be of help for mediocre prospects like Newton and Mallet and Locker, Kapernick and Tyrod Taylor. nearly every team is constantly on the lookout for a functional QB but no one wants to be caught in that no-win situation of drafting Couch or Carr or Leaf or JaWalrus or countless others who were never worth a dime.
with a structured rookie scale teams might actually look to snag a prospect higher than they would normally go on the offchance that they might pan out, but if they flameout there is not the crippling financial burden.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Jake Locker, like Kyle Boller, never completed 60% of his completions in college, a normal standard for top-conference QBs.
Accuracy issues are never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever SOLVED by NFL coaching.
Locker was HORRIBLE vs Nebraska the two times he faced them. Versus semi-weak Pac-10 defenses, he STILL couldn’t complete passes. Weak receivers? There aren’t exactly many Pac-10 defensive backs breaking out at 1st and 2nd round draft grades.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
lonetree makes alot of sense.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Can anyone name legit starting NFL QBs that were 3rd round picks or lower?
Besides Brady, who was ONLY a 5th rounder because he started just one season at Michigan – not enough tape on him.
3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th round QBs = wasted pick 99 out of 100 times.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Matt Schaub is the only guy I can think of (3rd round pick) and the reason he slipped was he injured himself to start his senior season, after only starting one other year.
Locker = 4 years of inaccurate passing and struggles vs Nebraska and USC. No thank you, Kyle Boller II.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
59. Brady benefitted from blatant and constant cheating.
“How could scouts have missed such a huge talent?!”
They didn’t…CHEATRIOTS!
January 28th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Tom Brady?
January 28th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Davis beleives in Plunkett…I mean Campbell.
He hired Air Coryell’s Al Saunders to re ignite the passing game in Oakland next season.
He’s going to add Ocho Johnson too toward that end.
IF and thats a big “IF” Schilens stays healthy we may have a shot. Thats IF Wizzer can teach any of our O line guys to pass protect…
January 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Johnny Unitas was undrafted.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Mike Mayock says Locker struggles to throw accurately from the pocket.
Umm, yikes. Kinda important.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Warren Moon
January 28th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
KK,
did you not read where I wrote “Besides Brady”?
And again, Brady slipped because he only started 1 year at Michigan.
Locker started four.
And try sticking to the last, ummm, 40 years.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Joe Montana was drafted in the 3rd.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Fran Tarkenton was drafted in the 5th.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Johnny Unitas was undrafted.
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In 1886
January 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Joe Montana was drafted in the 3rd.
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He benefitted from a system that was an enigma back in the day.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
He hired Air Coryell’s Al Saunders to re ignite the passing game in Oakland next season.
………..
Already gave up on Hue, huh?
January 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Fran Tarkenton was drafted in the 5th.
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His feet were more imporatant than his arm and accuracy.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Oh hey! RMR is on here!
Bye…
January 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Oh hey! RMR is on here!
Bye…
………..
The collective blog IQ is about to go up.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Aso isn’t going anywhere if Al doesn’t want to part ways. Revis made a comment re Aso last time that got blown way out of proportion accd’g to Aso himself.
Even saying he was wants to go to a winning team says nothing ..bec Oakland will be a winning team …win the damn division. Book it!
January 28th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Alex
Stats without context make for shallow argument.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
@Big Pep No one hurt here. lol Just finishing the line that you started from the Chappelle show. When i red the story, that’s the first thing that came to mind too.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Maybe it was from a debt he owed from that poker game on draft night.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Al & Hue are giving the Wiz his start at coaching in the NFL. No problem with that at all. He will not be the Oline coach though. An asst Oline coach yes, but not THE guy who would be giving the direction. He will have his clipboard learning the ropes and motivating the players ..adding value here and their with technique etc.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
You know our run D is gonna rank in the bottom third, but with Nnamdi & Huffy gone, Routt and the fastest CB in the combine manning the corners, our Pass D may fair even worse!
January 28th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
KK,
it’s called history and statistical analysis.
You can learn from it, or you can draft some development QB in the middle rounds and watch it amount to nothing.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
I don’t understand why Al would bring in an OC to bring back a deep passing game…can’t Hue do that? Doesn’t he believe in Hue? What is Hue’s job?
January 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
2007 “Development QBs”
3 92 Trent Edwards Stanford Buffalo Bills
5 151 Jeff Rowe Nevada-Reno Cincinnati Bengals
5 174 Troy Smith Ohio State Baltimore Ravens
6 205 Jordan Palmer Texas-El Paso Washington Redskins
7 217 Tyler Thigpen Coastal Carolina Minnesota Vikings
January 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
where was romo drafted??
January 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
2008
3 94 Kevin O’Connell San Diego State New England Patriots
5 137 John David Booty USC Minnesota Vikings
5 156 Dennis Dixon Oregon Pittsburgh Steelers
5 160 Josh Johnson San Diego Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 162 Erik Ainge Tennessee New York Jets
6 186 Colt Brennan Hawaii Washington Redskins
6 198 Andre Woodson Kentucky New York Giants
2006
3 81 Charlie Whitehurst Clemson San Diego Chargers
3 85 Brodie Croyle Alabama Kansas City Chiefs
5 148 Ingle Martin Furman Green Bay Packers
5 164 Omar Jacobs Bowling Green Pittsburgh Steelers
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski Toledo Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 223 D.J. Shockley Georgia Atlanta Falcons
January 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Montana (82nd Pick).
Marc Bulger (#168)
Matt Schaub (3rd Rounder)
Matt Cassell (7th Round)
David Garrard (108th)
Matt Hassleback (6th Round)
Kurt Warner (Undrafted)
Tony Romo (Undrafted)
January 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
With so many holes to fill o-line, secondary, olb and dline & wr i just cant see spendeing a pick on a qb.
We have the prototype qb for our system already in the fold, going itno the prime of his career. Davis elevating hu jack, adding suanders and the wiz tells you evrything you need to know. Goodbye kiffin/ cable & zbs, we are going back to the future.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
2005
3 67 Charlie Frye Akron Cleveland Browns
3 69 Andrew Walter Arizona State Oakland Raiders
3 85 David Greene Georgia Seattle Seahawks
4 106 Kyle Orton Purdue Chicago Bears
4 121 Stefan LeFors Louisville Carolina Panthers
5 145 Dan Orlovsky Connecticut Detroit Lions
5 152 Adrian McPherson Florida State New Orleans Saints
6 213 Derek Anderson Oregon State Baltimore Ravens
2004
4 106 Luke McCown Louisiana Tech Cleveland Browns
5 148 Craig Krenzel Ohio State Chicago Bears
6 185 Andy Hall Delaware Philadelphia Eagles
6 187 Josh Harris Bowling Green State Baltimore Ravens
6 193 Jim Sorgi Wisconsin Indianapolis Colts
6 201 Jeff Smoker Michigan State St. Louis Rams
7 202 John Navarre Michigan Arizona Cardinals
7 217 Cody Pickett Washington San Francisco 49ers
7 218 Casey Bramlet Wyoming Cincinnati Bengals
7 225 Matt Mauck Louisiana State Denver Broncos
7 248 B.J. Symons Texas Tech Houston Texans
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt Colorado State Denver Broncos
January 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
KK,
it’s called history and statistical analysis.
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Is that what Al Davis does all day?
January 28th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Matt Cassel 7th round 05
January 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
I’m showing the reality.
If you want to show that 1 in 300 pick that worked out, go bet $100 on the Kansas City Royals winning the World Series next year.
QB is a premium position. If you’re even close to being good, you get bumped to the 1st or 2nd round.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
McClain has to learn that he simply cannot go around those parts anymore or he will get targeted esp if he’s flashing too much with a nice car or what have you. (Assuming it was a bad part of Bama).
I have a similiar issue; although not as servere. My hometown as gone down the toilet from what I hear from fam so when I go back I don’t go anywhere ..just stay in the house with fam. Rarely do I go out and about in town and NEVER go out to the clubs or anything around there.
You want to take pride in your accomplishments but People just dont think and will target you to get whatever they can.
Go out there. See you fam for a few days, stay in the house, soke it up the love and leave in one piece. Keep it simple.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
“those parts”? LOL. Maybe McCain was at a Congresswoman’s rally.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
I don’t understand why Al would bring in an OC to bring back a deep passing game…can’t Hue do that? Doesn’t he believe in Hue? What is Hue’s job?
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RMR
Hu Jack and Suanders together will be great. hu will call the plays, he and saunders will put toghether the game plans. saunders is an expert in davis vertical passing attack. This was hu jacks call. Saundrs has history with campbell under gibbs as well.
In other words hujack can over see the rest of the team during the week, and saunders can run meetings and install the weekly plan, and he is a direct extension of hu jack. they have the exact same philosophy and vision.
Davis master plan air coryell lives!!!!
January 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
lol Macho. Because obviously we are on par with Bill Belichick and the Patriots staff at identifying talent, and setting up an incredible system around it.
Again, it’s a 1 in 300 chance. No thanks. Take a DT or OT, where the odds are about 1 in 3 at the middle rounds.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Mcclain, not McCain. Jesus. Ruined that one
January 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Saunders was Hue’s choice. Period. And I think its a fantastic hire!
January 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
I’m showing the reality.
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You’re showing statistics, without context.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
The best non-injury full-time college starting QB selected in the middle to late rounds the last decade is…
Kyle Orton!
Yay, a 1 in 300 shot at getting a Kyle Orton!!!!
You guys are something else.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
David Garrard 4th round 02
Marc Bulger 6th 00
Brian Griese 3rd 98
Hasselbeck 6th 98
Brunell 5th 93
Elvis Grbac 8th 93
Trent Green 8th 93
January 28th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Davis master plan air coryell lives!!!!
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That’s what I figured. I think we know who’ll be running the offense…
January 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
KK, you can’t even define context, bud.
Here’s the context. A system of games with the same rules applied to everyone, with various degrees of talent scouted out by professional scouts for YEARS.
On field performance + scouted value = draft position.
Done. Owned.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Terrapin and Mistic,
Why are you guys insisting that Saunders was Hue’s choice? I never said he wasn’t.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Macho,
come on, man. Brian Griese? Really? Elvis Grbac? Really? That’s what we want out of our middle pick? How is that any better than Campbell?
You notice your most recent one is 2002?? Garrard? That’s what we want as our QB of the future? A QB that in his prime makes you start thinking of your next QB of the future??
January 28th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Wow! Bart Starr?
Drafted by the Green Bay Packers in the 17th round (200th overall) of the 1956 NFL Draft.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
neil odonnel 3rd
scott mitchell 4th
rich gannon 4th……rich!
beuerlein 4th
majkowski 10th
bernie kosar undrafted
hostetler 3rd
schroeder 3rd
January 28th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
This offense will be in great shape. The question is the defense. The need to get someone in here that will get the most out of these players. If so, this team will be unstoppable. Certainly will win the division.
If this defense allows less ppg you don’t even have to improve the offensive production and this team will win 10 games. That’s how close they are.\!
January 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Exactly Terrapin. Get a car rental, do your family thing, leave quietly. If you miss your hood friends that much, fly them out to your current location. Plenty of things to do in California.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
im just saying. kurt warner…tony romo…
January 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Macho, quit showing me Canadian Football League QBs.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
It was actually Nnamdi 21 who said that Al brought in Saunders. Tell it to him.
Nnamdi21 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
He hired Air Coryell’s Al Saunders to re ignite the passing game in Oakland next season.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
2 out of hundreds of QBs drafted in the last 15 years (when Warner came in).
Pass.
You either move up into the 1st to get a QB, or you don’t get a QB.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
2003
3 88 Dave Ragone Louisville Houston Texans
3 97 Chris Simms Texas Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4 110 Seneca Wallace Iowa State Seattle Seahawks
5 163 Brian St. Pierre BC Pittsburgh Steelers
6 192 Drew Henson Michigan Houston Texans
6 200 Brooks Bollinger Wisconsin New York Jets
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech New England Patriots
7 232 Gibran Hamdan Indiana Washington Redskins
7 241 Ken Dorsey Miami (Fla.) San Francisco 49ers
I mean, who wouldn’t want some of that action???
January 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Hey Alex, Lets now list the 1st round QB busts of the last few years.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Kyle orton is way overrated. He is not clutch. Steve young and ron jaworski have stated you judge a qb by what he does on third down. I also look at the fourth quarter and orton is no great shakes in these areas.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Brett Favre in the 2nd.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Alex, how do you know McClain was in the hood? He might have been at a congresswoman’s rally. You don’t have to be in the hood anymore to get shot in America. Ask Judge John Roll.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Macho, do you understand percentages? Higher probability of success? Or do you honestly not understand that point of drafting at a spot with the highest chance of success?
January 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
How about Caleb Hanie (Undrafted free agent)
Not great or a starter, but his future looks bright right now. Looked better than Todd Collins.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Alex, if percentages found talent, then the Bengals, Raiders & Lions would be playoff teams due to all the top 10 picks.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I simply cannot recall the Raiders drafting many QBs late in the draft. It has to be rare if ever done.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Crime index shows that Decatur, Alabama has about a 1/3rd higher crime rate across the board than the average in U.S.
But yeah, I was just trying to talk about something other than QBs, so I’ll leave McClain alone. Stick to what I know better.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Alex, you’re trying to paint a black & white picture, and we’ve just punched all kinds of holes in it, that’s all.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Macho,
you mean the Bengals that made the playoff teams twice in the last few years, including just LAST year?
Because they drafted a 1st round QB in Palmer?
Yup.
Also, you’re still not discussing percentages. You’re showing a few hand-picked examples and ignoring the rest.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Alex
Stats without context make for shallow argument.
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I agree with this statement big time, especially when it comes to football. But Alex is right on this one. Why the hell are people on this board excited about mid-round QB prospects. The guys with the skills it takes to make it in this league are snatched up early. Anybody picked after round 2 has serious warts.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
I’m showing the reality.
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You’re showing statistics, without context.
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tell him kk!!!! i’m lovin it
January 28th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Alex. im not gonna run some friggin percentages, too tired. You go run up some numbers. true, the bengals made the playoffs last year. the lions and the raiders didnt
January 28th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
KK
punch this.
Team Turnarounds and QBs
Falcons, Matt Ryan, 1st round.
Bucs, Josh Freeman, 1st round.
Steelers, Ben R., 1st round (6-10 before he arrived)
Colts, Manning, 1st round
Chargers, Rivers, 1st round
Saints, Brees, early 2nd round talent
Bears, Cutler, 1st round talent
January 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Macho, I don’t flap aimlessly here without running numbers first. I already did it a few weeks back.
The last 10 years, odds of a mid-to-late QB working out was about 16%.
Odds of a 1st round QB working out was about 70%.
Picking QBs late is a waste. Ask the Dolphins.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Bernie Kosar was undrafted???
That can’t be right
January 28th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
“But Alex is right on this one. Why the hell are people on this board excited about mid-round QB prospects. The guys with the skills it takes to make it in this league are snatched up early. Anybody picked after round 2 has serious warts.”
Thanks Debo. All these posters have to do is set their egos aside for one nano-second (I know it’s hard for you all) and LOOK at the NFL and their QBs.
Most are 1st rounders for a reason.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
sorry. Kosar was 1st round supplemental draft.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Alex, how do you know McClain was in the hood? He might have been at a congresswoman’s rally. You don’t have to be in the hood anymore to get shot in America. Ask Judge John Roll.
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Only in the hood do you still have drive-bys though.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Learn from Kyle Boller.
Big arm, bad accuracy, weak #s in Pac-10 = BIG risk.
Aaron Rodgers had a similar cast around him at Cal (anyone remember his college WRs? No? Ok) but put up much better accuracy numbers.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Obviously it’s true the top rated QB’s in college have the best chances for success in the NFL.
Because of talent & Salary (playing time and development)
But it doesn’t mean you can find a QB in the latter rounds. Look no further than Tom Brady.
It depends (on a lotta things) where the franchise is at the time.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
I agree with you Alex that its easier to find talent on the 1st round.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Bernie Kosar was undrafted???
That can’t be right
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It’s not. Supplemental draft. He would have gone very high if he had entered the regular draft. Like the Boz.
January 28th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
yeah a7 is right about not taking a qb in the later rounds..but it has nothing to do with his stats out of context…
January 28th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
later fellas! Go Packers!
January 28th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Only in the hood do you still have drive-bys though.
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There’s family in “that Hood”
There’s schools in “the Hood”
There’s barbershops in “the Hood”
There are good people in “the Hood”
Who know why he was in the “Hood”
January 28th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
geez R8erwill, set that ego aside brother. Or at least offer up a counter-point instead of just saying no to someone else.
Do you have something else that the draft revolves around besides stats and talent evaluation?
Shoot, even the talent evaluations are broken down MOSTLY into stats (40 times, bench press reps, jump #s, arm span, hand size).
January 28th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
see ya Macho!
January 28th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Davis master plan air coryell lives!!!!
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That’s what I figured. I think we know who’ll be running the offense…
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Yeah Hu Jack City
January 28th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Yeah I was just looking at it, the Browns traded a bunch of picks to move up to get him in the supplement draft.
I remember he was the greatest thing ever in college, and like 6′5 240.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Do you have something else that the draft revolves around besides stats and talent evaluation?
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His play?
January 28th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
from what I just read
86 QBs have been taken as first-rounders since 1970.
15 1st round QBs are among the 28 who have won Super Bowls (including Dawson and Namath – pre 1970)
of those 15 only 9 won with the team that drafted them.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
I think it is about 50/50 on QB’s.
Half of them are top 15 picks it seems, and the other half come from all these crazy rounds and are undrafted like Romo.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Dude if you ask:
“Can anyone name legit starting NFL QBs that were 3rd round picks or lower?”
“If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.”
Of course everyone is going to rack their brain or google to find the gem QB found in the latter rounds.
So smart teams should never think about drafting a QB after the 2nd round, ever?
QBs should just drop out of the draft if they are not projected in the 2nd round?
January 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
alex7 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Crime index shows that Decatur, Alabama has about a 1/3rd higher crime rate across the board than the average in U.S.
………..
So those people who showed up to Congresswoman Gifford’s rally shouldn’t have had anything to worry about, right?
January 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
JFB
A kid in Cairo picked up a spent tear gas cannister and showed it to a TV news crew.
“Made in USA”
Ouch!
January 28th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Looks like Cable is making moves already.
Seahawks sign OG Paul McQuistan for future contract.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Hey at least we are exporting something!!!
January 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Only in the hood do you still have drive-bys though.
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That’s true. I think Loughner was on foot. I guess his victims can take some solace in that, that they weren’t killed in some ghetto drive by, instead by a guy on foot.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Cable’s O-line in Seattle is going to smash on that division.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
JFB,
it’s not 50/50. It’s about 80/20.
Here’s the point to those that didn’t get it.
The Raiders would be much better served using a mid or late round pick on a non QB position that shows a higher rate of success at those rounds, than to gamble on a QB that, even IF they are still in the NFL a few years later, has a 90% chance of being no better than JC.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Hu Jack is in total control. He is hiring and firing all of his own staff, and seems to have the keys to the ferrari, in a way most coaches never have. Not just on offense either. Davis must really trust hu jack like he never did cable kiffin bugel white or norv.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
McClain is just a mean angry dude it seems.
Good quality in a MLB, plus he loves the game.
We need just to keep him away from Tequilla (his sister).
January 28th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
The person doing the shooting in the McClain incident thanks you guys who are blaming the victims. Believe me, you’re helping his case. The more anger there is toward the perp, the more pressure there is for the DA’s office and the police to nab him. As long as you guys are blaming McClain for it all, the shooter gets more of a window to get his stuff together and get out of dodge. He thanks all of you.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Alex,
Since we don’t have a first round pick this year, what do we do?
Just stop looking at college QB’s altogether? I think you still have to look at a flyer in later rounds.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Hu Jack is in total control.
…………
“I’m heavily involved” – Al Davis. Somebody’s lying.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Hu Jack is in total control. He is hiring and firing all of his own staff,
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Steve Wisenewski? Hue Jackson found him? really?
January 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
KK, guys arguing with Alex is about as wise as arguing with a giraffe. That guy makes unfounded statements for breakfast lunch and dinner. He just can’t figure out that talking isn’t learning, listening is. If you don’t know something ask and listen you go a lot further in life.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
9.09pm GMT: If you’re not following CNN’s Ben Wedeman @bencnn on Twitter then you should. Here are three tweets he has posted in the last 10 minutes:
Teenager showed me teargas canister “made in USA”. Saw the same thing in Tunisia. Time to reconsider US exports?
January 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Hu Jack is in total control.
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“I’m heavily involved” – Al Davis. Somebody’s lying.
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Wrong. Hu jack and Davis are working in lock step, because Hu Jack is a younger version of Davis. This why Hu Jack said he leans on Davis and it would be foolish not too.
Its not davis vs. hu jack
Its Hu jack & Davis together in unity.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I’ll bet you a better GM would have gotten Seymour without giving up the number one.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
It feels good just to see Mr. Davis go on TV and express how he feels about me as a quarterback,” Campbell told the Post. “Just to have him in your corner, to have an owner in your corner, is just a great feeling. And to have guys embrace you and make you feel welcome … and just the season we had. You know, Oakland has been through some rough times. And for us to go out this year and to become a team that’s getting that respect again, a team that has young players with a bright future, it’s an exciting time. It’s an exciting time in my life, career-wise and off the field.”
JC on Davis and the raiders
I love this cat he gets it
January 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Hu jack and Davis are working in lock step
……..
You just said Hue was in “total control”.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Hu jack and Davis are working in lock step
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You just said Hue was in “total control”.
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HU Jack and Davis are one in the same
January 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
HU Jack and Davis are one in the same
…….
So then Hue can not be in “total control”, as you stated, in those exact words, a few minutes ago. You can’t be in “total control”, if you’re working “in lockstep” with another person.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Hu Jack is in total control. He is hiring and firing all of his own staff,
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Steve Wisenewski? Hue Jackson found him? really?
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Yep ” steve is my shining star” Hu Jack on the wiz
Hu jack is doing all of the interviews not davis
Davis did the interviews for kiffin / cable
January 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
HU Jack and Davis are one in the same
…….
So then Hue can not be in “total control”, as you stated, in those exact words, a few minutes ago. You can’t be in “total control”, if you’re working “in lockstep” with another person.
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Wrong again
Davis has given hu jack complete freedom because he trust him, they are of the same mind
January 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Davis has given hu jack complete freedom
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You just said he works “in lockstep” with Al Davis!
January 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Glad to hear McClain or anyone was unhurt. Gladder to hear some of that SEC speed came in handy.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Funny, raider haters & impostor fans scream that our team is dysfunctional, and lacks direction. Yet then when Davis and coaches and players are on the same page, they still complain.
Davis- Hu Jack- Saunders – Wiz – Campbell,.
If you cant see the pattern (master plan) here you dont know raider football
January 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Davis has given hu jack complete freedom
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You just said he works “in lockstep” with Al Davis!
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Exactly, Davis and Hu jack have the exact same philosophy, this is perfect
January 28th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
JC spends any where from 14 to 18 hours a day at the facilty. he is a real leader and a play maker, and davis and hu jack have his back.
Im in football heaven
January 28th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers probably spend a total of 8 hours a day between the two of them at their team facility. But Campbell needs the work.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
166.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I’ll bet you a better GM would have gotten Seymour without giving up the number one.
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what gm is that?
January 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I’ll bet you a better GM would have gotten Seymour without giving up the number one.
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I’m sure there was more to the story behind closed doors.
Maybe Al didn’t or doesn’t have the money to pay for a 1st rounder…7 years of having a top 10 in the 1st round!
2004 Robert Gallery
2005 Fabian Washington
2006 Michael Huff
2007 Jamarcus Russell (BIGGEST BUST EVER)
2008 Darren McFadden
2009 DHB (2nd BIGGEST BUST EVER)
2010 Rolando McClain
$$$$$$ No Dinero $$$$$$$
January 28th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
# r8eray Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
I’m sure there was more to the story behind closed doors.
Maybe Al didn’t or doesn’t have the money to pay for a 1st rounder…7 years of having a top 10 in the 1st round!
2004 Robert Gallery
2005 Fabian Washington
2006 Michael Huff
2007 Jamarcus Russell (BIGGEST BUST EVER)
2008 Darren McFadden
2009 DHB (2nd BIGGEST BUST EVER)
2010 Rolando McClain
$$$$$$ No Dinero $$$$$$$
……
Goes further to prove my case.
Like I said, with a better GM we wouldn’t be in this position.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
a7 don’t get all defensive bra, it’s all good..but it is true you do take stats out of context all the time, and then you state it as facts,,usually using the stats that fit your argument and conveniently leaving out others..you know who it was that said “there are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics??? it is good that there are stats and stat keepers but that doesn’t mean they will fulfill every situation..
January 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
the position of trading for a probowl dt.maybe the pat`s gm should`nt of traded him?since they have drafted 7 de and dt in 2 drafts to replace him.and will use a first round pick again this year.i think the raiders got the better of that trade.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Man getting Seymour here was HUGE it was the best thing for TK and some others his rings speak volumns I have watched him during games literally lift this defense to another level. He is very vocal in the huddle and his leadership has had a dynamic affect on this entire team. Guys like him cannot be measured by simply looking at his talent alone. If you do that you totally miss the point. I wish Nnamdi was half the leader Seymour is we would have a dominant defense. Hopefully Huff is stepping into that void in the secondary.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Oh, so it turned out ok because the team we dealt with is hurting, too. Now that’s the winning mentality Al Davis is known for, BlackDeath.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
I never said we shouldn’t have made a move for Seymour. I just said a better GM, specifically, a more lucid GM, probably could have got him here without giving up a number one pick.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Raiders offensive coaching staff is nearly set, only a O-Line coach to go!
Defense I am really intrigued by who AL & Hue select, hopefully Winston Moss.
More impostantly though is that the Raiders resign:
Mr. Seymour and the cornerback coaches and QBs fear the most, Mr. Nnamdi Asomugha!; (and Mr. Wimbley too).
Add Woodley and Mankins to the team and one veteran WR, and bring back Mr. Bush for it is going to happen. What is it?… Raider Nation Domination!
January 28th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
no it turned out o.k. because the guy is still a pro bowler, dominant period.and if i could trade the second pick in the draft for a pro bowl player at offensive guard i will.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Trading for Richard was an excellent trade, the other parts around him have not worked until this season, primarily QB & LT/WR as well, but also our LBs has been weak every other week.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
It’s just a matter of negotiation skills, BlackDeath. Al means well and he’s very lucid for his age. But a more lucid, perhaps younger, and perhaps more versed in the modern day league GM probably could have landed Seymour without giving up a number one. That’s all.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
I think Belichick takes advantage of Davis. Shines Al on with the “he’s my friend” stuff, and that disarms Al. That’s how I think Belichick got our number one draft pick this year, for a player that he probably would have given up for some cash and late round picks.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
186.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
I never said we shouldn’t have made a move for Seymour. I just said a better GM, specifically, a more lucid GM, probably could have got him here without giving up a number one pick.
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i i`m sure a gm offered a second or third round pick and the raiders offered more,but the same gm`s in retrospect would now give up the first round.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Seymour was a huge acquisition. And he wants to be here which is even better.
Huff will be back. I read he wanted to return a Raider. Al wil sign him. Huff is turning into a solid FS after spending too many years as a SS.
The communication in the 2ndary has to be cleaned up though. I think a lot of that is when they are in some sort of zone coverage. They’re just no good at it really.
Again, the most important thing that will be done this offense will be who they bring in on defense. That is a critical move.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
I just hate to see a lot of these coaches shine Al on and take advantage of him. It’s kind of mean. Belichick wrote the book on it. Says all of this “Al Davis is my friend” stuff to disarm Al. Al just eats it right up, so happy to have a successful modern day coach praise him. It’s like complimenting the old lady next door excessively, then asking her for a hundred bucks. She’ll probably give it to you. It’s just not right.
January 28th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Maybe getting a successful vet WR in here can help these young WRs just as much as Seymour helped that defense. It could do wonders for DHB although he works hard enough to make it on his own. It may just fast forward his development.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Mankins, (via Yahoo report) does not expect to be back in NE, unless he is franchise tagged.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
point black ,belichick blow the seymour trade.can`t take it back.seymour had a lot more left than belichick thought.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Terraps I agree Raiders get burned when they go zone, as they probably only practice and play it 20% of the time.
Should they go zone, they should bring in a whole another set of DBs that practice it for that series.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
al would you please trade leckler!!!!!!!!if he is not going to buy in get him out of here.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Oh well….Munchack is sticking around!
January 28th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
tear gas canisters, automatic weapons, land mines, rocket launchers…
the Bilderbergers and Bohemian Grovers don’t really care where the items are made, they all profit.
to borrow from the Wizard of Id -
one Club Member to another
“The peasants are revolting!”
“They certainly are’”
January 28th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
It’s very easy to make statements that cannot be proved, I could also that other teams may have paid more for Seymour. Now let’s see you prove that would not be the case. Talk is cheap very cheap.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Since Belicheat was called out for cheating he has won exactly zero Super Bowls. fact.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
No movement yet on a DC says to me they are definitely waiting on someone currently playing in the SB.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Well “definitely” may be too strong …likely is more like it
January 28th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
BHP,
people will always moan about any damnable thing they wish to, but doesn’t it feel good to know that Hue Jack City and Al Saunders will be working the O?
Re-signing MBush or at least someone comparable is imperative with an 18 game schedule looming ’cause McSkinnyLegs can’t last through all of that.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
point black ,belichick blow the seymour trade.
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He’s 14-2 and this year! The team he dumped Seymour off to was 8-8.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
207.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
point black ,belichick blow the seymour trade.
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He’s 14-2 and this year! The team he dumped Seymour off to was 8-8.
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Saymour may be back in New England in 2011 for free.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 28th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
It’s very easy to make statements that cannot be proved, I could also that other teams may have paid more for Seymour. Now let’s see you prove that would not be the case. Talk is cheap very cheap.
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I made my point as an opinion all along, never presented it as fact. Used the key word, “probably”. It’s my opinion. I think a better GM could have gotten Seymour without giving up the number one.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
M absolutely you can look at the glass hlaf full or half empty it’s matter of perspective. Hujack and Saunders IMO I have a hard time thinking how we could’ve done much better. Hujack is one ofthe very brighest minds in the league on offense going forward and Saunders is a historian in this offense. The old meets the new and the benficiaries “The Raider Nation”. Just add more talent and stir that is some damn good KOOLAID!!
January 28th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
BHP,
some of the people here are haters and some here just live in fear of some nebulous failure which may or may not occur like mice awaiting a predator. I know that you mostly drink the KoolAid, but you also have long experience. Neither of us are always right about what we hope to be for the Raiders, but I appreciate what you bring. Raider on.
January 28th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
In addition to Philly, Oakland has emerged as the front runner to land Packers DC Darren Perry!!!!!
December 4th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
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