Hue in honeymoon phase with `coach Davis’
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, January 30th, 2011 at 1:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Hue Jackson went on Sirius NFL Radio from the NFL Senior Bowl this week and attempted to dispel any notions about owner Al Davis.
“Everybody always said that everything is done by coach (Davis),” Jackson said. “That’s not true. I mean, I’m hiring the staff. He made me the head coach of this football team and said, `Hue, let’s go. Obviously, I bounce everything off him. Why wouldn’t I? This is his team. But he doesn’t sit there and rule everything with an iron-clad fist.”
There more, a transcription of which will run below.
Jackson is enjoying what Lane Kiffin referred to as the “honeymoon” period between Davis and the head coach.
Kiffin was the golden child once, bringing in a handful of assistant coaches he selected, making change, and attempting to affect change. He called Davis “Al,” and talked about how he basically could do anything he wanted at the NFL owner’s meetings.
A year later, he wasn’t wearing Raiders gear at the NFL scouting combine and was rejected in his attempts to fire defensive coordinator Rob Ryan and defensive line coach Keith Millard.
Once Kiffin was gone, Tom Cable told us we had it all wrong with Davis. Cable said he was the coach of the team, he hired his entire staff, and that his working relationship with Davis couldn’t be better.
We know how that turned out.
Norv Turner said he thought working for the Raiders was his dream job because he had a boss who truly understood football, a guy who went out and landed players such as Warren Sapp and Randy Moss.
Turner ended up having to do a tortured backtrack on a decision to start Marques Tuiasosopo ahead of Kerry Collins after one game, and was gone the next year.
There is little doubt that all these coaches were initially telling the truth. There’s a period of time, before anything happens in the loss column, where you’re actually running a team owned by someone who actually knows and understands football.
He’ll give the coach his thoughts and ideas, maybe produce a list of coaches who might make good coordinators based on philosophy and track record along with how much they can be paid. Then he’ll let the coach make the call.
Win and the honeymoon can be extended. Experience has taught us what happens when the losing begins.
JACKSON ON SIRIUS NFL RADIO
Q: What is the stamp want to put on the Raiders?
Jackson: We kind of started that process a year ago. We want to be a very physical team on offense. We want to be able to stop you on defense, and we want to be explosive on special teams. Obviously, I thought last year, we started that process and we need to take it to another level this year, and there’s no question that we’re going to be able to do that.
Q: How advantageous having a year under your belt, knowing how Raiders operate, knowing the roster?
Jackson: Obviously; it helps you tremendously, because you know the environment, you know the players, you know the coaches. You know exactly how Mr. Davis wants things to be. I think it’s a great opportunity to hit the ground running right now.
Q: It all starts at QB, what has impressed you about Jason Campbell?
Jackson: He’s a pro. I mean the guy comes in, he comes early, he stays late, he wants to be the best at what he does. He’s young, he’s talented. Our job is just to make sure we create the right environment around him so he can be the best he can be.
Q: There was great improvement with Darren McFadden last year, is he just scratching surface?
Jackson: There’s no question he is. I’m so excited about what he brings to the organization. Him and Michael Bush, those two guys are a 1-2 punch for us, obviously, he was the No. 4 pick three years ago, and what he did for us last year is what we all envisioned he could be. So I’m excited about what the future holds for him.
Q: With uncertainty with regard to a labor agreement and a number of free agents, including Nnamdi Asomugha, how would you describe your approach to the offseason?
Jackson: I think everybody is kind of in that same boat. Nobody knows what the CBA is at this time. But I promise you this. Coach Davis has a plan, and we have a plan, and we feel very confident as we move forward that we’re going to be able to put great football players out on our football field.
Q: On the defensive side of the ball, where do things stand with coordinator?
Jackson: We’re still in that process. We’re going to go hire the best fit for our Raiders staff. Obviously we’re working through that, we’re getting closer, we’re excited about all the candidates and the people who have applied that want to be a part of what we’re building. Again, I know you hear all the different stories about the Raiders, but none of those things are true. Coach Davis had done a great job just creating an environment for the players and coaches to come in and be successful, and that’s we’re looking to do.
Q: Could you expand on that? What are the biggest misconceptions which were dispelled since you joined the Raiders?
Jackson: Everybody always said that everything is always done by coach. That’s not true. I mean, I’m hiring the staff. He made me the head coach of this football team and said, Hue, let’s go. Obviously, I bounce everything off of him. Why wouldn’t I? This is his team. But he doesn’t sit there and rule everything with an iron-clad fist. The guy runs the draft as well as anybody I’ve ever seen run a draft. I mean, this guy knows football, and to me, for me not to use him as a resource would not be very smart on my part. So I’m very excited about the relationship I have built with him over time. The relationship that I think our coaches and our players have built with him over time. The one thing coach wants to do is win. That’s what we all want to do. We all want to play in that game a week from now that Pittsburgh and Green Bay is going to be in, that’s the ultimate goal.
Q: Could you describe your coaching philosophy?
Jackson: I have a very very simple philosophy. If you have good players, put ‘em in situations to have success. Just try to create an environment to let them showcase their talents and abilities, and we have some very explosive players who can run, and if you create space for them, they have an opportunity to make plays. It sounds simple, and it is hard, don’t get me wrong, but that’s what it’s really all about. Create an environment for your players to showcase their talents and abilities and have players that will allow them to do that, the Jason Campbells, the offensive line, the tight ends, the receivers, the Darren McFaddens, give those guys opportunities and normally good things will happen.
Q: How did you grow as a coach last year?
Jackson: You’re in all those pressure situations, week in and week out. I know what it’s like to call a great game. I know what it’s like to wish you had some plays back. I know what it’s like to call a bad game. I know what it’s like when practice is not going as good or when you don’t feel as well and you’ve got to go get this done. So I’ve been through all these situations throughout my career, and that’s what’s prepared me for today. There’s not much that I haven’t seen. Nothing truly prepares you to go out and do it, day in and day out, but I’ve been through a lot, and I’m so excited about this opportunity to lead this organization.
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January 30th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Honymoon!!
January 30th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Jerry it’s as simple as this if you go against your owner and you don’t win ultimately you lose, your job. Cable was foolish to take the rope he was given and hang himself with it. If you do what the owner thinks will win and you lose you’re probably going to get more rope. But signing your own death warrant is crazy. Why would you bench Campbell for Gardkowski just to spite the owner and then LOSE???
Then announce to the world that the team isn’t a loser anymore knowing the owner felt differently. Cable was not a great coach by any stretch at what point did he think he was he should’ve been a lot more humble at least until he achieved something of merit.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Hopefully, we can land either Perry or Moss to run the D.
Jim Zorn might be a good fit at QB Coach.
Bresnahan would be good at any defensive coaching slot except DC.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
“Everybody always said that everything is done by coach (Davis),” Jackson said. “That’s not true. I mean, I’m hiring the staff. He made me the head coach of this football team and said, `Hue, let’s go. Obviously, I bounce everything off him. Why wouldn’t I? This is his team. But he doesn’t sit there and rule everything with an iron-clad fist.”
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That is damn near, minus a word or two, what Tom Cable said the first year when he became head coach.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
So did he lie or did things change the more he lost?
January 30th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Like I said a million times go agsinst Mr Davis you bettter WIN……..period
January 30th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Jackson: There’s no question he is. I’m so excited about what he brings to the organization. Him and Michael Bush, those two guys are a 1-2 punch for us, obviously, he was the No. 4 pick three years ago, and what he did for us last year is what we all envisioned he could be. So I’m excited about what the future holds for him.
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Hue, so do what you can and pull some strings to retain Bush!!
1-2 PUNCH!!
January 30th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
good afternoon nation’
it has been slow on here the last day or two. seems that this serius radio interview is a few days old..
the senior bowl took all the attention i guess..
we must be waiting for the super bowl game to name or interview prospects at dc.. i don’t remember darren perry as our d backs coach but he must be an up and comer judging by the interest he is getting.. i would like our dc to be a young gun like moss and perry, i do remember bresnahan, and that hire would be okay but not exciting..
January 30th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:56 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:35 am
I wish the mob still controlled Las Vegas. They’d know how to convince the owners and the union to find some common ground pretty quickly.
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Martin Scorsese said that his movie Casino was about the crooks running Vegas in the ’70s, and that 20 years from now, someone will make a movie about the crooks running Vegas today.
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Wasn’t the movie “Casino” supposed to be about The Stardust?
January 30th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Why would you benched his QB 6 qrtrs into the season and wouldn’t play Bush and didn’t play Bruce Campbell more than 5 plays all year long. Cable changed the way Mr Davis wanted to deal with him he got the Raiders sued by someone they didn’t even know.
I would say thee was a HUGE difference between the way he dealt with Turner and Shell as opposed to Kiffin and Cable he shouldn’t have fired Norv or Art. He definitely should’ve fired Kiffin and Cable IMO. Two wrong two right just MHO.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Priesttj Says: Like I said a million times go agsinst Mr Davis you bettter WIN……..period
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The thing is that most coaches think they know better….and then boom they fail ….if u note; no coach left and became a SB winner except Gruden….but did not win big over the long term.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
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January 30th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
I am so happy to hear McFadden & Bush as the 1-2 punch. THe Raiders have yet to really take advantage of this.
I felt that Cable was never a fan of M. Bush…favoring Justin Fargas to the end.
Also, if the owner and the coach are not getting along…no point in continuing the relationship.
Go Hue Jackson!
January 30th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
# PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
After watching alot of tape on a whole bunch of players. There’s 3 players that stand out to me on the O-Line and that is Watkins,Moffit and Hudson and in that order. Hudson kind of scares me with his size but the other 2 guys are animals and stood there ground constantly. I still like Pettis but Hankerson sure did look good this past week.
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Moffitt would be a solid pick in Round 2 for the Raiders.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Because they hear all the talk about him and start to let i affect the way the interact with him. They want to exert their own style long before they’re ready to do so. Kiffin wnats his father as DC the same was true with Gruden he wwanted his father to be personnel director and his brother as an assistant coach when Mr Davis refused he got mad. The same thing happened down in Tampa he tried to strong arm that organization.
If Hue is smart he’ll bide his time and win before he tries that crap. Because I think he is the brightest coach we’ve had since Gruden who was at least smart enough to know how much he didn’t know. He left personnel alone to Mr Davis and just coached the team.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Draft time again…
Here’s a name to keep an eye on:
Fort Valley State WR Ricardo Lockette….he’s got the size (almost 6′3 and 212) and will probably ran the fastest 40 at the combine, I’m sure the Raiders will be watching, he was an Auburn recruit but academics kept him out:
- With the NFL Scouting Combine only 50 days away, Fort Valley State wide out Ricardo Lockette is already working out in Phoenix, Arizona at Triple Threat Performance. Lockette says, “The whole goal is the get bigger, faster and stronger.”
The positive buzz surrounding Lockette is understandable; he’s big receiver (6’2” ¾ and 212 pounds) with a track background and blazing speed.
During the Russell Athletic HBCU All-Star game played on December 18th at the Georgia Dome, Lockette posted a 4.35 in the 40-yard dash.
“Yeah, 4.35…you know, it was a bad day for me. With my track background I’ve run 4.27 and 4.28 on numerous occasions,” said Lockette of his result. “Right now I’m in Arizona training, so hopefully I’ll get that 4.35 back to where it needs to be.”
With his 2009 200-Meter Championship in Division II, he has reason to expect an improvement.
But don’t confuse the confidence as arrogance.
The young man from Albany, Georgia says of his chance to play pro football, “It’s a humbling situation because you know this isn’t something that happens to everybody, every day. I’m just thankful right now.”
During his time around scouts at the Russell Athletic HBCU Bowl Lockette said he was compared to the Houston Texans’ Jacoby Jones and Atlanta Falcons’ Roddy White due to his size.
Lockette has his own ideas, “The down-the-field type…a big-play, a Calvin Johnson-type guy who goes and jumps up for the ball,” was the guy Lockette compared himself to.
“I plan on having the fastest time in the 40 for the whole combine,” said Lockette. But don’t think it’s just speed he’s hoping to impress with. He also wants to have “the most bench presses by receivers.”
Lockette has posted a high of 23 reps of 225 pounds, and his max bench press of 343 will have him in position to be one hot name as the NFL Draft nears.
When asked to describe himself Lockette said, “I’m just a small town guy. I’m very religious. I thank God for everything that happens to me.”
This small town kid might be giving thanks again because he is definitely one to watch as we approach the 2011 NFL Draft.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
O-LINE! Then fill the hole left by the coming FA.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Ricardo Lockette interview with The National Football Post:
“Fort Valley State wide receiver Ricardo Lockette is hoping to make a big impression on the NFL brass at the NFL scouting combine next month in Indianapolis.
The former NCAA Division II 200-meter champion ran the 40-yard dash in 4.35 seconds at the HBCU All-State game last month at the Georgia Dome.
The 6-foot-3, 210-pounder has been training in Phoenix at Triple Threat Performance and is hoping to run under 4.3 seconds at the NFL scouting combine.
The former Auburn signee caught 23 passes for 262 yards and one touchdown last season in a Wildcat offense. He averaged 24 yards per kickoff return.
National Football Post caught up Lockette for a telephone interview this week as he continues to prepare for the upcoming Texas vs. the Nation all-star game.
NFP: What are you hearing from NFL scouts about your draft stock?
Lockette: “I had a pretty decent college career and scouts started coming in and checking me out. It’s kind of early, but I’m thinking I’ll go in the middle rounds. I hope to go even higher. That’s what the draft process is all about, showing them what you can do.”
NFP: Do you have more to prove coming from a small school?
Lockette: “It’s definitely a tougher road. I feel like it makes you hungrier and makes you work harder. You have a chip on your shoulder because you have to prove yourself.”
NFP: What kind of 40-yard dash time do you think you’ll run at the combine?
Lockette: “I wasn’t too happy with my time at the HCBU game. That was the fastest time there. I’m planning on running the fastest time at the combine. I’m looking to run in the mid 4.2s. I have a pretty speedy background. I’m looking forward to running it again.”
NFP: What other kind of test results are you looking to put up?
Lockette: “I’ve done 23 reps of 225 pounds in the bench press before. I want to do the most by a receiver. I’m expecting to do a 38-inch vertical leap.”
NFP: Were you expecting to be invited to the combine?
Lockette: “Oh yeah, it’s a dream come true. I’m excited. I can’t wait to show what I can do.”
NFP: Why did you go to Fort Valley State?
Lockette: “I liked the surroundings there. We got a lot of support from the fans. It wasn’t too big and it wasn’t too small. I really enjoyed myself there.”
NFP: What happened with Auburn?
Lockette: “I didn’t make my SAT score, so I went to junior college. It worked out well. Everything happens for a reason.”
NFP: What happened with the offense this year?
Lockette: “Our quarterback went down with an injury and we went with a running back. We ran the Wildcat. I did a lot of blocking. Our quarterback just threw short routes, no deep balls, no posts.”
NFP: Was it tough choosing an agent?
Lockette: “My agent is Zeke Sandhu. It was a really, really tough decision, but I think I ended up with the right guy. My parents handled it for me. Now that’s out of the way, it’s all about football.”
NFP: How long have you been playing football?
Lockette: “I’m not just a track guy. I’ve been playing football since I was six years old. Playing football has always been a childhood dream of mine. I’ve been practicing all my life.”
NFP: What do you expect out of the Texas v s. the Nation game?
Lockette: “I’m ready to play. I’m excited about every opportunity to get to play football in that caliber of game.”
NFP: What do you hope to show the scouts?
Lockette: “I want to show them Im an all-around player, not just a speed guy. I didn’t get a chance to show them a lot of routes last year, so I want to showcase that in an all-star game. I’m just grateful for the opportunity.
“I want to show them that I’m a big-play kind of guy like a Calvin Johnson or a Roddy White. I want to represent my school and my family positively and help myself for the future. Playing in the NFL is my dream.”
January 30th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Like I said a million times go agsinst Mr Davis you bettter WIN……..period
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wrong.
Gruden went against Al. Al would have nothing to do with it.
Gruden became the face of the franchise. Al would have nothing to do with it.
Gruden wanted what he was promised, more money, more control.
Al would have nothing to do with it.
had nothing to do with winning. Take your head out of your rear, for once.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Off-field incidents linked to Rolando McClain and his family…
Dec. 3, 2010: Rolando McClain’s brother Myke McClain reported being robbed when he gave a friend a ride from Little Caesar’s. The next day, his sister, Tequlia McClain, said she and Myke McClain were shot at following an encounter with the same friend at a gas station.
Nov. 11, 2010: Attorneys for Stanford Matthew Mangham filed suit in Morgan County Circuit Court accusing Rolando McClain of negligence, assault and invasion of privacy related to a claim that a car driven by McClain struck Mangham twice Nov. 13, 2008, in Tuscaloosa.
Sept. 21, 2010: Myke McClain was arrested during a traffic stop for first-degree possession of marijuana.
June 17, 2009: A man argued with Myke McClain on the phone, then shot him in the 500 block of Betty Street Southwest.
May 8, 2008: Rolando McClain was involved in a motorcycle accident on Point Mallard Drive Southeast, according to a teammate, but suffered no major injuries.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
“You know exactly how Mr. Davis wants things to be.”
Hmmm Mr. Davis?? What happened to “Coach”?
January 30th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Hue, IMO, blew it with the “Thanks, Coach”.
Then proceeded to kiss Al’s rear with proclaiming to one and all how much he gushes over “Coach Davis”, how he is so fortunate to be able to have Al there, to go to, to use as a source, to ask questions, because he’s like “no other owner”.
You lost a lot of points with that assnuzzling.
Go back a half dozen coaches.
Bugel: “I love having Coach Davis there, for me to bounce things off of. I’ll probably be talking to him every day, asking him things. It’s great having an owner who knows X’s and O’s.”
Same song, different day.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
222.Raider O Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:18 am
You People are Craaaazy!
I love this place.
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Yes, you people are 3X Krazy!
January 30th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Cable’s comments about “we’re not losers anymore” was his parting swan song. You have to be pretty slow to not figure that out.
Al was docking his checks for last 12 weeks of the season. he knew he was gone. Guaranteed.
Cable has to still be laughing at Al’s PC, especially considering he immediately got hired, and took the high road when asked about the Raiders.
Why is it most take the high road, except for Al?
January 30th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
“You know exactly how Mr. Davis wants things to be.”
Hmmm Mr. Davis?? What happened to “Coach”?
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lol. that will cost him. Big time.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
i think we should take our high draft picks trade the 2nd and 3rd rounders for gaither or sign mankins, sign a wr from free agency and take the rest of our picks to get a strong safety and line depth.. maybe we can find more jewels like ford and veldheer late in the draft…
January 30th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Raiders Mock 2.0
Rd 2- G/C John Moffitt or RT Derrick Sherrod
Rd 3- LB Casey Matthews
Rd 4- RB Delone Carter or FB Owen Marecic
Rd 5- DT/DE Cedric Thornton
Rd 6- TE Konrad Reuland
Rd 7- CB Chris Harris
January 30th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
players who were on cables “list” like b campbell, t howard, m mitchell and m bush may deliver for us this season. and the players on cables other list like c carlisle, n miller and grads can walk..thereby making us better automagically-
January 30th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
tuskeegee had a center who is 6-5, and 350lbs, anybody seen him play? tht’s my kind of lineman, thats the kind of player to build a bully with
January 30th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
i’d REALLY like to see an interview where hue doesn’t say “obviously”. somebody needs to explain that word to him. obviously.
January 30th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
If cable would have went 12-4 made the playoffs an won the SB cable was still fired no doubt. Should have just done it last season. Hue may have gotten us further
January 30th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
25.SilverSurfer Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
“You know exactly how Mr. Davis wants things to be.”
Hmmm Mr. Davis?? What happened to “Coach”?
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lol. that will cost him. Big time.
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Yep. Now hes gonna have to wipe the mud from “Mr. Davis’” shoes.
January 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I like this…
Jake Kirkpatrick, C, TCU
I thought he really impressed as an interior blocker all week long and really handled power rushers well, which is crucial for centers. He has the blitz pick-up and strength on film to be a starter early on and could be a franchise center for a lucky team.
http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/static/stock-updown.html
January 30th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
anybody see robert sands out of w virginia play?? he is big and tall for a safety…
January 30th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Hue Jackson will make this team even better. This season, their record must be at 10-6 at least. Re sign players like Bush, Miller, even Huff, Stan Routt as well. Aso comes back for a 1 year contract. I know 24 got burned a lot but he needs to be more consistent. Same with the team. Be consistent and let the 8-8 season hunger you for more. Jason Campbell does not need to be all Peyton on us(Although it wouldn’t hurt and the Colts would be nothing without Manning, just saying). Have another strong draft & finish games and be physical like they were last year! Playoffs ?? Lol. THE SILVER AND BLACK ARE BACK.
January 30th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
29.r8rwill Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
tuskeegee had a center who is 6-5, and 350lbs, anybody seen him play? tht’s my kind of lineman, thats the kind of player to build a bully with
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Think Turdell Sands.
January 30th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Silver surfer you sound like Ralph Barbieri with the Al didn’t want Gruden to outshine him comment. He never cared whether Madden outshined him or Flores. Did say that Gruden didn’t win he obviously won which helped him tremendously I said he wanted his father anmd brother in the organization.
If you think Gruden was PROMISED more control you’re the one who needs to take his head out of his rear. That is pure hearsay. He promised Gruden one thing and on ething only to coach the team on the field………….period
January 30th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
hmmmm…coupla thoughts…firstly, with any given autonomy, in exactly which profession is anyone allowed to go against her/his boss’s wishes without regard to her/his boss’s wishes? perhaps to a point, but you better have a damned good argument for your case and be able to sustain it. (JerryMc for example. If all he did was spew pathetic crap like RMR day after day he would no longer have this job.)
secondly, I do hope that HueJackCity is a place that doesn’t curl up in conservatism because of the pressure of the NFL (seen most every NFL HC pucker up with their playcalling when push comes to shove.)
January 30th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Kirk,
are you trying to tell RMcClain to take his first round money and to get his family away from Podunk, ‘Bama?
January 30th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Good Lord, putting Hue Jackson and Richie Rich (Lane Kiffin), the biggest friggin liar on the West Coast in the same sentence is a major insult to Jackson.
January 30th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Makes sense to me. If you win Al lets you do what you do. If you lose he starts to overrule your desicions. Why would it be any different???
January 30th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Not a Kerry Collins fan by any stretch; but Tui starting in place of Collins is darn retarded. Sheezzz. I can understand that one.
Bottom line is you must show you can win before you can begin demanding things from this owner
January 30th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
esp one that prides himself on his football acumen
January 30th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Rivers starting over Manning??? What the hell has gotten into fans? and the league for that matter?
Manning is the best ever. OK OK maybe this was one of his worst years …guy still went further than ‘cry me a river’.
January 30th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Hopefully after the honeymoon phase, Al doesn’t have to find out that Hue is a bad cook, that can’t keep a clean house…
January 30th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Like I said a million times go agsinst Mr Davis you bettter WIN……..period
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Gruden went against Davis.
Gruden won.
And?
January 30th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
this behind the scenes intrigue is B.S.
Only thing that matters is winning.
When, if, the Raiders get back to that….who the hell cares who gets the credit or not
I hope the coaches, players, administrators and owners realize that.
January 30th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
SnB Production Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Only thing that matters is winning.
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Not to Al.
He shipped Gruden out of here, while we were winning.
January 30th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Hue has the leverage & latitude for one year. If he makes the playoffs, he will have it for one more year.
I think Al is getting older/ tired, and wore down. He eluded that the organization has been through too much to fire cable when he wanted to. Also the finances of the Raiders are probably spread thinly… meaning that they can’t afford to fire coaches and pay them to not coach.
Hue has a hard job because the expectations are so high, and he has to get it right on the first try. Unlike his preddecessors, he has a lot of young talent, the loosing culture is not as prevelant, and he has had a head start on working with the team.
It is realistic to see the Raiders getting into playoffs.
January 30th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Priestt,
wasn’t it a GREAT thing that Lane could land us Monte Kiffin? Isn’t that what an owner Committed to Excellence would do? Set aside his ego and bring in a guy who would DEFINITELY help us win more?
Al is not committed to winning. He’s committed to himself, nothing more.
January 30th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
He left, he certainly didn’t get fired………..he got what he wanted………..so move on!
January 30th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Dickv,
with next year’s schedule, and our current QB/WR combination, and our atrocious run D caused by our man-to-man requirement, we are not making the playoffs next year.
If anyone wants to put money on that, instead of just say “yes we are,” I’m here.
As it looks, JC will still be the underachieving starter, man-to-man will still be demanded, and our not-going-to-improve duo of DHB and Murphy will still be playing far too many minutes.
January 30th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Is Priestt related to John Herrera? Old, cranky, Al-Davis apologist?
Gruden was SENT away. He didn’t leave voluntarily.
He watched Davis draft a kicker one spot ahead of Shaun Alexander, and draft Derrick Gibson the following 1st round (against the wishes of the scouts), and rightfully requested more power in choosing the players that would ultimately decide his future.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
phillip rivers is starting to look very avg…
January 30th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
He requested and it wasn’t granted so he left…………….period
January 30th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
r8rwill Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
players who were on cables “list” like b campbell, t howard, m mitchell and m bush may deliver for us this season. and the players on cables other list like c carlisle, n miller and grads can walk..thereby making us better automagically-
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Why do you just assume these guys are “Cable guys” and others aren’t?
Cooper Carlisle was signed by Al Davis before they officially announced Tom Cable as an O-line coach, and than re-signed again after that while Cable was still an interim coach. Are you telling me a first-year O-line coach and than interim HC had that much clout with Al Davis?
Bush had more carries in the year Cable was calling plays than the previous year.
Thomas Howard was put on ice by the organization, and will not be re-signed even though Cable is not around.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Alex,
The Raiders, as you surely know, dominated the AFc west, will do so again next year: Denver is bad/ rebuild, Norvel is still in San Diego with less talent every year, and KC is just not a physical team.
Chicago, detroit, & Minny are all winnable.
Miami, the bills, Clevland, and Houston are all winnable.
Hard games are Green bay (no run game), New England (no run game) and Jets.
10 games is doable; definately possible. Not sure why you feel that way, but whatever…
January 30th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
# dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Hue has the leverage & latitude for one year. If he makes the playoffs, he will have it for one more year.
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How do you know that?
January 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
He left,
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He was traded. He was dealt away. He did not leave.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Hey! if you guys want Gruden to coach again find him a team I’m sure he’s up for it. Or better yet band together and buy a team for him that way you get a team and a coach. You’ll be happy!!!
January 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Same differnce to me he didn’t want to be here or else he would’ve stayed…………..period
January 30th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
61.priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Same differnce to me he didn’t want to be here or else he would’ve stayed…………..period
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Huh?
January 30th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Didn’t the Raiders also want Marcus Allen to play FB, just like Mike Bush?
Seems it is an organizational way of checking a RB, not something Cable could conceive.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
61.priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Same differnce to me he didn’t want to be here or else he would’ve stayed…………..period
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So he shoulda took the 2 mil a year Al was offering?
He still coulda been traded.
Al: Jon I traded you to Tampa.
Jon: I want to be a RAIDER for life!
Al: I am the ONLY RAIDER for life.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Longshot, but if Ohio State’s DL Cameron Heyward fell to our pick we should absolutely grab him.
Heyward is about 6′5 and 290 with some room to grow, he was unblockable in the Sugar Bowl vs Arkansas.
He can play inside and outside but his game is not speed, he’s a really strong and athletic kid who can push back the pockett and wreak havoc along the line.
Mike Waufle would fine tune this kid all the way to the Pro Bowl.
He might drop because he had Tommy John surgey after the Sugar Bowl and won’t do football activities for 3 months, so maybe he gets lost among all the other players already showcasing their stuff.
By the way, he’s the son of Craig “ironhead” Heyward.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
SilverSurfer Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Cable’s comments about “we’re not losers anymore” was his parting swan song. You have to be pretty slow to not figure that out.
Al was docking his checks for last 12 weeks of the season. he knew he was gone. Guaranteed.
Cable has to still be laughing at Al’s PC, especially considering he immediately got hired, and took the high road when asked about the Raiders.
Why is it most take the high road, except for Al?
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al didn’t take the low road, he sat for 2 hours and answered questions til the reporters tapped out. He spoke the truth, he never said cable was a bufoon, which he was, or that when he asked Cable about the x’s and o’s cable replied that he loves kisses and hugs. He simply answered the questions as to why Cable was fired. Cable dug his own grave with his unshakable love for Grads, refusal to play Ford earlier, B. Campbell being inactive half, plus the off the field stuff from this year and last season,
January 30th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Hey! if you guys want Gruden to coach again find him a team I’m sure he’s up for it.
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He’s actually not up for it. Said he’s not coaching in 2011.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Same differnce to me he didn’t want to be here or else he would’ve stayed…………..period
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Uh, how do you stay when you’re traded? I think that’s called trespassing.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
JFB Cable and Kiffin wanted Bush to play FB he wouldn’t do it so they sat him. Flores wanted Bo and Marcus on the field at the same time. Which was very smart. I think they should do the same thing with Bush and DMC. Don’t you?
January 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Cameron Heyward was one of the best collegiate defensive players (at any position) the last two years.
If he fell to #48, even though it is not a huge position of need, you have to take him.
High character guy. Heard him on the SVP show once, and he was talking about Theatre and Music as a major passion of his. Very, very eloquent young man.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Jason Campbell had a good year last year… all things considered. He takes care of the ball… needs a strong run game to be effective… The raiders have a strong run game to support him. He can lead the Raiders to playoffs.
Passing game
WR- average- Jacoby Ford, murphy, DHB, and Chaz Schillens… there is some upside there, but the raiders should add one more player to that group to compete.
TE- Zach- turn to fox… he is in the pro bowl. Need to draft another TE; not sold on Myers.
Rb’s- Darren Mcfadden, Marcel Reece might be the most explosive rb pass catching tandem in the NFL. Bush can catch too.
Everybody is convinced that the Raiders have a bad recieving corp; im not. Once you look at passing game as a whole, you see the raiders have the ability to have mis matches like every other team in the NFL.
if you put a lb on Miller, Mcfadden, Bush or Reece, you are exposed to a big play.
Ford gives the offense the threat they have been missing for 6-7 years.
Passing game is fine… The raiders had a high powered offense last year because the players they had, did what was asked of them well enough to consitently move the ball.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
al didn’t take the low road,
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Uh, he bashed his former coach publicly. That’s as low as it gets.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
How many different “period”s can you say, Priestt, when each time you have to change your tune because you’re proven wrong?
Being traded is miles different than voluntarily leaving.
He couldn’t stay if…he…was…traded lol
period!
Davis traded the smartest coach he’s had here, and the best one in modern time, once Al couldn’t load up on black athletes and bigger, faster guys because the playing field evened out.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
If he wanted to stay he wouldn’t have been traded, I think that is a safe assumption.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Jason Campbell had a good year last year… all things considered.
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He’s useless in the clutch.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
If he wanted to stay he wouldn’t have been traded,
…………
What makes you think he didn’t want to stay?
January 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Hue has the leverage & latitude for one year. If he makes the playoffs, he will have it for one more year.
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How do you know that?
because Hue said so and Jerry basically agrees according to this article/ blog we are posting on. Did you read the article? Im not into conspricay therioes. Just take things at face value until it is shown to be otherwise. When the coach says he is in control, and the beat writter that I respect confirms it… i beleive it.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
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Why do you just assume these guys are “Cable guys” and others aren’t?
Cooper Carlisle was signed by Al Davis before they officially announced Tom Cable as an O-line coach, and than re-signed again after that while Cable was still an interim coach. Are you telling me a first-year O-line coach and than interim HC had that much clout with Al Davis?
Bush had more carries in the year Cable was calling plays than the previous year.
Thomas Howard was put on ice by the organization, and will not be re-signed even though Cable is not around.
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Bush had more carries the year cable called plays due to injury. Cable didn’t draft Lechler, Wario, or Gallery but they are all Cable guys, how they got here makes no difference in whether or not they are a Cable guy. Your argument made no sense on that one. Howard will come back if he thinks he can win a starting job or get considerable PT in the Nickel and if the money is right. Mitchell was cut by Cable and reinstated by Al and turned out to be one of our best defensive players and provided a spark and a nastiness the team needed.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Like I said go find Gruden a team to coach he’s waiting!!
January 30th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
I think if they get results from Bush and Darren on the field at the same time, sure. But someone has to play FB right, you seem to say Kiffin and Cable sat him for not wanting to do it, but than on the same hand that it is a good idea.
Not sure why you think they sat him, he had 44 carries through his first 4 games that year in 2008 (11 per game) which is even higher than what he averaged last year with Hue.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Dickv,
I guess every game is “winnable,” and we could go 16-0.
But honestly, the Dolphins and Texans just beat us this year, the Texans doing it without Andre Johnson and w/ Foster on the bench the 1st quarter. Both games were in Oakland.
Beat the Vikings? When was the last time we beat a team with a top-10 running back? Can’t remember. We’re like 1-20 vs the Chris Johnson/AP/Tomlinson/Foster/Michael Turners of the world.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
because Hue said so and Jerry basically agrees according to this article
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Jerry gives no opinion whatsoever, just relays what Hue said. And, as far as taking Hue at face value, don’t make me laugh.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Jason Campbell had a good year last year… all things considered.
………..
He’s useless in the clutch.
Come from behind win against San Diego & the Jacksonville game that the defense and special teams says other wise.
Who here voted for our boy Jason Campbell in on NFL.com ’s never say never moment… it seems like I’m not the only person in the world, that saw JC’s ability to make it happen in the clutch.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Fargas was injured that’s why he got the carries.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Like I said go find Gruden a team to coach he’s waiting!!
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No, he’s not. He said months ago that he has no intentions of coaching in 2011.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
MR do you remember Dion Scott from Luigi’s?
January 30th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Then find him one when he’s ready………or whatever.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Gruden is sitting around making millions laughing at Davis and showing him his shiny Lombardi trophy.
Most Raider players were not alive the last time Al had one.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Howard will come back if he thinks he can win a starting job or get considerable PT in the Nickel and if the money is right.
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Thomas Howard will not be offered one red nickle from Al Davis if the new CBA allows him to be a FA.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Jerry gives no opinion whatsoever, just relays what Hue said. And, as far as taking Hue at face value, don’t make me laugh.
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Jerry also says that both Lane & cable stated how much control they had… until they won. Just like Hue has now.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
zach looks lost out there!
January 30th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Come from behind win against San Diego & the Jacksonville game that the defense and special teams says other wise.
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Uh, wow. Dude, we lost to Jacksonville. No come from behind win there.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Alex,
Jc had 100.0 qb rating in the 4th quarter this year, money time. Ahead of blog fags, p & e manning, brees, Marty ice, & Arron rodgers. How is that under acheiving? He also had a better 3rd down rating than the mannings & other so called franchise qbs. He did this behind the o line that gave up the most sacks in the NFL & no wrs. I’m afraid your criticisms are just off base & weak. They simply aren’t accurate.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
MR do you remember Dion Scott from Luigi’s?
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No.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Jason Campbell had a good year last year… all things considered.
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He’s useless in the clutch.
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and grads is useless unless his mom makes a pregame meal. JC was a major reason we won that first SD game along with our defense. He made a beautiful throw to Jacoby in OT versus KC to setup the win. I’m curious to see what he can do with another year in the same offense and with hue having a better understanding of his strengths and weaknesses
January 30th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Campbell’s great in meaningless games. Look at what happened against Pittsburgh. Had we just started Gradkowski, we probably win there.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
JC was a major reason we won that first SD game along with our defense.
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Like I said, Campbell’s great if nothing’s on the line.
Steelers, Jacksonville, everything on the line..he pisses himself.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Fargas was only hurt two of those games, so that is a half truth.
Just looked at Fargas year than though, and he got 20 carries 4 times, and we won 3 of them. Bush and Darren got 20 carries once each, and we won both of those.
When we stuck to one RB (whoever it was) we did well, and that rotating nonsense didn’t work.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Mistic1 we all know why they make unfounded statements their little hero failed them miserably. One guy swore JC would prove to be a fraud. He doesn’t come here much anymore……….lol
January 30th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
It’s a sad franchise that believes a QB with 12 TDs, 8 INTs, 2-4 down the stretch with playoffs on the line, and 3 benchings had a good year.
Ryan Fitzpatrick outplayed him, in a tougher division.
Rex Grossman looked better, in 3 games in a tougher division.
Sam Bradford outplayed him, in his rookie year.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
When was the last time we beat a team with a top-10 running back? Can’t remember?
We beat the Chiefs twice this year… Jamal Charles is a pro bowler… 1476 yards was 2nd in NFL. Did you watch those games? How did you miss that?
January 30th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Unfounded statements? Priest, you’re the one saying that Gruden left Oakland, and that Gruden is looking for a coaching job today. Neither is true. Gruden was traded. And, Gruden announced months ago he was not seeking an NFL coaching job in 2011. Who’s making unfounded statements? You’ve been lying your ass all day.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Come from behind win against San Diego & the Jacksonville game that the defense and special teams says other wise.
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Uh, wow. Dude, we lost to Jacksonville. No come from behind win there.
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he was saying it would have been a win if not for the defense and ST making huge mistakes
January 30th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Campbell DID prove to be a fraud. The next Plunkett? lol, 19th ranked QB with the #2 rush attack and a pathetically weak schedule, benched 3 times.
That’s AWFUL!
January 30th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Gruden owes Davis his entire life. Not only did Davis make him hc when noone else would have, he gave him players he could win with causing his stock to soar. Then at the peak of chuky mania he traded him to a super bowl ready team. He even owes Davis his superbowl ring. Don’t believe it? What happened after gruden won with dungy’s team. He took over personnel ran Tampa into the ground and got fired. Your welcome chucky.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Alex,
Jc had 100.0 qb rating in the 4th quarter this year, money time. Ahead of blog fags, p & e manning, brees, Marty ice, & Arron rodgers. How is that under acheiving? He also had a better 3rd down rating than the mannings & other so called franchise qbs. He did this behind the o line that gave up the most sacks in the NFL & no wrs. I’m afraid your criticisms are just off base & weak. They simply aren’t accurate.
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Im trying to tell them. they are like battered wives just used to being beat on.
Campbell is solid QB.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
he was saying it would have been a win if not for the defense and ST making huge mistakes
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No, that’s not what he said.
This is in fact what he said:
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Come from behind win against San Diego & the Jacksonville game that the defense and special teams says other wise.
No “ifs” in there. He’s saying Campbell came back and beat Jacksonville. Perhaps by error, I’ll leave it to him to concede to that. But as it stands, that’s what he said.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
DickV,
in neither of those games did Charles play in the 2nd half. Did YOU watch them?
I guess if you want to count on AP being injured during the game or guaranteed in the playoffs when we play him, that’s cool.
I did watch all the other runners I listed have close to 200 yards each against us. Seems to happen quite often.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
He even owes Davis his superbowl ring.
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No doubt, for providing him with such a weak opponent.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Come from behind win against San Diego & the Jacksonville game that the defense and special teams says other wise.
…….
Uh, wow. Dude, we lost to Jacksonville. No come from behind win there.
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he was saying it would have been a win if not for the defense and ST making huge mistakes
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Thanks bro. i know my writting skills are not great, but I’m sure that this kids reading comprehension is sub par.
He didn’t even understand the point of what Jerry was talking about… with Hue having control for now.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Jamaal had like 5 carries in the 2nd half against us.
And Dick,
I did say we were like 1-20 against top backs.
1 win when said team was already in the playoffs. I dunno, I don’t really like those odds for next year against AP and that Vikings D.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Vintage story on the Gruden trade:
“Even though he didn’t wind up getting the Tampa Bay head coaching job that he was in line for, San Francisco’s Steve Mariucci had plenty to do with the surprising five-year deal that brought the Bucs and Oakland’s Jon Gruden together Monday.
Though details remain sketchy on just how the 49ers head coach overplayed his hand with Tampa Bay, perhaps asking for too much in terms of money or personnel authority, league sources say the Bucs job was his to lose until Sunday night.
That’s when Bucs vice presidents Bryan and Joel Glazer got back into contact with the Raiders regarding Gruden, and when Oakland owner Al Davis realized he had to cut the best deal possible with Tampa Bay.
Why?
Because once Tampa Bay neared a deal for Mariucci, Davis was put into the position of being dealt a devastating double whammy in regards to Gruden.
If the 49ers had indeed extracted a package of four draft picks from the Bucs in exchange for their head coach, San Francisco would have no doubt pursued Gruden next offseason once his Raiders contract expired.
Faced with the prospect of losing both his talented young head coach and his chance to receive a bevy of draft picks in compensation, all within a span of 11 months or so, Davis was driven to the bargaining table by unforeseen events. His choice was one of all or nothing.
Either he could watch as his hated cross-bay rivals landed both the Bucs’ draft picks and Gruden inside of a year, or he could strike now, land the package of four Tampa Bay picks himself, and ensure that Gruden would be working on the West Coast of Florida rather than in the Raiders’ backyard.
From that perspective, the trade was a steal for Oakland and Davis, who will receive two first-rounders and two second-rounders between now and 2004, plus $8 million in cash, from the Bucs in exchange for Gruden’s rights.
The deal, at least in the short term, worked out for the beleaguered Bucs as well. In Gruden, the Glazers hired the second biggest fish they pursued — after The Tuna himself, Bill Parcells — in their debacle of a five-week head coaching search. They paid heavily for him, mortgaging a good chunk of their next three drafts plus handing him a five-year deal for an estimated $20 million.
As for Gruden, he too gets what he desperately wanted, a chance to avoid a lame-duck season in Oakland and the ability to work in one of the NFL’s more attractive locales.
Gruden has ties to the Tampa Bay area as well. Besides vacationing in the state for three weeks a year, his parents live in Tampa, where his father, Jim Gruden, once worked on the Bucs’ assistant coaching staff. His brother, former Louisville quarterback Jay Gruden, is with the Orlando Predators of the Arena League and has lived in Florida since the early 1990s…”
Don Banks covers pro football for CNNSI.com.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
they are like battered wives just used to being beat on.
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Like Davis with the other owners?
January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Campbell’s great in meaningless games. Look at what happened against Pittsburgh. Had we just started Gradkowski, we probably win there.
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just like he lit Miami up, right??? JC played a bad game in Pittsburgh because we are not a TEAM setup to win if we can’t run the ball. We put up more than 35 points in Jax, you can hardly blame that loss on our offense.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
First off we did not give up more sacks than anyone else (#7 in the league, tied with the Steelers) and gave up less than two playoff teams.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
lol
4th QUARTER RATING???
What, after he fumbled twice, got sacked 3 times, and we were down 2 scores?
Or once we were up 40 on the Broncos?
Where was he vs the Titans, Rams, 49ers, Steelers, Colts, Texans, Cardinals, and Dolphins?
Sucking hard or benched, that’s where.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
I’m sure that this kids reading comprehension is sub par.
………….
This is what you said. Did you say so in error? If so, just say so. Don’t blame the reader. Again, this is exactly what you said:
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Come from behind win against San Diego & the Jacksonville game that the defense and special teams says other wise.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
i did not say Campbell lead the Raiders to win that Jacksonville game. I am saying he lead the raiders to a touchdown, and the defense/ special teams lost that game.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Great link here and stats.
Notice Soup’s average pass went less than 6 yards down the field, worse than anyone else in the league. No QB in the league benefitted from more YAC than Soup (thank you Darren McFadden)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsNGVffM1el.jZHTNSu9YHw5nYcB?slug=ys-intangibles012711
January 30th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
JC played a bad game in Pittsburgh because we are not a TEAM setup to win if we can’t run the ball.
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He was rattled on the first drive. Nice try, though.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Campbell was clutch in the Jacksonville game and basically every AFC West game.
As somebody mentioned earlier he had 100 rating in the 4th qaurter.
He can play. He is not the problem. The raiders can win with him at QB.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
As I recall, people were concerned about Gruden leaving long before Al traded him; he was flirting with the Notre Dame job. So it could be said that Al made the best of a bad situation. Gruden was leaving regardless, so Al worked that reality and ended up with a handful of draft picks for it.
But I’m sure the next thing that gets posted is that he wasted those picks. NE has had boatloads of extra picks and should be far better than they’ve been these last five years or so, but whatevs. Al Davis had a hell of a draft last year and has been hitting after the first round for several years now, but he’ll get no credit. Anything bad is his fault, anything good happened while he was “napping”. News flash: the “Al Davis can do no right” crowd is just as biased and myopic as the “Al Davis can do no wrong” crowd.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Bob Marley,
when the owner is “forced” to trade a top-NFL coach because the owner can’t keep said coach happy or extend his contract, I think blame kinda falls on the owner.
Especially when the backup plan was fired two years later.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
# dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
i did not say Campbell lead the Raiders to win that Jacksonville game. I am saying he lead the raiders to a touchdown, and the defense/ special teams lost that game.
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THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, DING DONG. I’M NOT PUTTING WORDS INTO YOUR MOUTH. IF YOU MESSED UP, JUST SAY SO. WE ALL MAKE TYPOS. BUT TO GO ON BLAMING THE READER FOR INTERPRETING YOUR COMMENT…AS IT’S WRITTEN, IS JUST RETARDED. AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID. IF YOU SAID IT IN ERROR, JUST ADMIT IT:
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Come from behind win against San Diego & the Jacksonville game that the defense and special teams says other wise.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Dickv,
again, where was Jason Campbell
vs the Titans, Rams, 49ers, Steelers, Colts, Texans, Cardinals, and Dolphins?
Sucking hard or benched, that’s where.
Why do you ignore all those important non-afc-west-cupcake games?
January 30th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Campbell was clutch in the Jacksonville game
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Jesus Christ you’re a flipping case study, dude. You’re unreal.
WE LOST AGAINST JACKSONVILLE!
HOW ON FLIPPING MOTHER EARTH COULD ONE BE “CLUTCH” IN A GAME THAT HE LOST? YOU CAN’T BE THIS STUPID. YOU JUST CAN’T BE.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Campbell DID prove to be a fraud. The next Plunkett? lol, 19th ranked QB with the #2 rush attack and a pathetically weak schedule, benched 3 times.
That’s AWFUL!
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He was the 19th ranked QB and where would his OL and WR groups be ranked??? He led us to a 6-0 record in the division and a very nice GMAT in Jax that we should have won. He is no fraud and no one expected us to do much better than 8-8, we are right on schedule actually. The Raiders were Plunketts 3rd team BTW
January 30th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
I’m sure that this kids reading comprehension is sub par.
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This is what you said. Did you say so in error? If so, just say so. Don’t blame the reader. Again, this is exactly what you said:
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Come from behind win against San Diego & the Jacksonville game that the defense and special teams says other wise.
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I said come from behind win.. meaning that one win.
& the Jacksonville game where the defense/ special teams… let us down.
It is what is. Campbell was $ in those games/ clutch. You can’t argue that but you want to argue about what you think i wrote.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Jfb,
when jc has some wrs that can catch, & doesn’t have to play behind the worst pass protection in the NFL I’m sure his yards per attempt will go up. You check down when the rush is in your face & when wrs are covered. That was the case on almost every snap.
You dudes are just haters & it’s weak
January 30th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
This is all “pillow talk.” Let’s see how Hue speaks after the season. So far his nose is so far up AD’s U know what that it’s not even worth reading.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Davy Jones Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Gruden was leaving regardless,
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Al still traded him, in a Super Bowl year when he was needed most. Doesn’t refute a thing.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Another oldie from Peter King:
“…Last February (2002), Oakland owner Al Davis got the message loud and clear that his coach, Gruden, probably wouldn’t sign a long-term contract with the Raiders when his deal expired at the end of the 2002 season.
Lots of little reasons there, not the least of which was money…
Davis made a deal with Tampa Bay for the Bucs’ first- and second-round draft picks in 2002 and 2003, plus $8 million, in exchange for Gruden…”
January 30th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
NICE block my Zeek Miller.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Jc had 100.0 qb rating in the 4th quarter this year, money time. Ahead of blog fags, p & e manning, brees, Marty ice, & Arron rodgers.
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This is not accurate Mistic1.
His rating was 97.7 (pretty good), but not quite a 100, and not better than Aaron Rodgers.
And with CAmpbell’s 97.7 QB rating, his 1st through 3rd quarter QB rating was 75.4, 27TH IN THE LEAGUE!!!
January 30th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
126.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Campbell was clutch in the Jacksonville game
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Jesus Christ you’re a flipping case study, dude. You’re unreal.
WE LOST AGAINST JACKSONVILLE!
HOW ON FLIPPING MOTHER EARTH COULD ONE BE “CLUTCH” IN A GAME THAT HE LOST? YOU CAN’T BE THIS STUPID. YOU JUST CAN’T BE.
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The only way you can say “clutch” and J Campbell in the same breath is if you said “J. Campbell has a clutch on slowest thinker award. Dude is dumb and slow.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Campbell was clutch in the Jacksonville game
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Jesus Christ you’re a flipping case study, dude. You’re unreal.
WE LOST AGAINST JACKSONVILLE!
HOW ON FLIPPING MOTHER EARTH COULD ONE BE “CLUTCH” IN A GAME THAT HE LOST? YOU CAN’T BE THIS STUPID. YOU JUST CAN’T BE.
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lol u sure are getting pretty mad….. The loss wasn’t on JC he led the offense to some important scoring drives when we needed them. Gaffes by the defense and special teams gave the game away. The time ran out on our last drive as were marching prepared to score and tie the game up.
Dickv obviously left out some words in that post, if u couldn’t read it and tell that after “defense and special teams” he was going to say something about them giving the game away then u are indeed as stupid as u come off on this blog.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
As I recall the Raiders blew a 10 point lead against Jacksonville. There had to have been a lot of punting. That’s not “clutch”. Campbell protected the ball well that day but he didn’t get the job done when he had plenty of opportunities to do so. The object of the game isn’t to have good stats, it’s to win. That’s something the good QBs understand.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Jon Gruden won a super bowl with another mans team against a team that he shouldve have beaten because he designed the offense. He should give that super bowl ring to Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith. He got a ring and was highly ineffective after that, though I do believe that he is a good coach. He and Al Davis shared a symbiotic relationship, they were good for eachother.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Marley, Davis traded Gruden. didn’t have to. You’re not going to find an article that refutes that. Paste away.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
He should give that super bowl ring to Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith.
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Then Al Davis should have to give his 2002 Lamar Hunt trophy to Gruden.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Jason Campbell has never had a 2 to 1 TD to turnover ration in his career, and has had one year over 1.5 to 1.
Last year, 13 TD’s to 9 turnovers, a hair below 1.5 to 1.
If he is ever going to be anything other than average, he has to get that over 2 to 1 and really close to 3 to 1.
January 30th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Soup had a perfect QB rating in the first half of the Jax game.
He got pretty lucky that his fumble that was returned for a TD in the 3rd quarter was called back due to a blow to the head, that was after the actual fumble.
I certainly don’t hang that lose on him, but he didn’t play well in the second half of that game, limped out for a crucial series and botched the last drive of the game.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
“alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Bob Marley,
when the owner is “forced” to trade a top-NFL coach because the owner can’t keep said coach happy or extend his contract, I think blame kinda falls on the owner.
Especially when the backup plan was fired two years later.”
Alex7
Gruden had a marvelous first year with the Rich McKay-Tony Dungy build team, that title alone made the Gruden trade worthwile for Tampa.
But after that 1st season, Gruden made the playoffs 2 times in 6 seasons and ended up with a 45-53 overall record.
That’s not the track record of a.. “top-NFL coach”.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
why anyone bothers with that guy, I will never know…
January 30th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
For the record, I would have traded Gruden too for that package that we got.
All those picks for a coach with one year left on his contract, that probably wasn’t going to re-sign?
That was a pretty good deal for us, if McNabb didn’t choke away the NFC championship game against Tampa, we would have gotten a ring out of it as well.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
thanks for the article Marley, it’s what I’ve been saying for years that Gruden was trying to force his hand over the entire organization. he knew Mr davis wasn’t going to go for it so he was looking for a place to go for himself as well as his father and brother. Tampa was very attractive to him. Foir the reasons stated in that article as well as the fact tha his mother was very ill at that time.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Convenient, Marley, to leave out Gruden’s record in Oakland. His overall record is impressive. Well over .500, Several division titles and playoff appearances, and a Super Bowl victory. Credit whoever you want, but that’s his rap sheet. His numbers make him a “top notch” coach. But I guess not if you’re only going to post half of them. Clever.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
al didn’t take the low road,
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Uh, he bashed his former coach publicly. That’s as low as it gets.
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when answering questions honestly about ur former coach looks like bashing, that tells u all about that coach and why he is a former
January 30th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
These guys think Gruden is Bill Walsh incarnate
January 30th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
“The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Marley, Davis traded Gruden. didn’t have to. You’re not going to find an article that refutes that. Paste away.”
I agree, I wanted to keep Gruden too, but as it turns out Gruden was not all that, as his last 6 seasons running the ship in Tampa proved.
It’s ancient history anyways, I like Al Davis and I like Jon Gruden too.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Oh, sure, Vegas. “If” we had an easier opponent in that Super Bowl, we would have won. Well, yeah. That’s scientific. Gee, if you had a million dollars, you’d be rich. You’re sharp as a tack today.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
He should give that super bowl ring to Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith.
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Then Al Davis should have to give his 2002 Lamar Hunt trophy to Gruden.
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for what reason remember al runs the whole ship and his coaches have no or very little say so in personell matters remember. Al built that team for gruden, just like Dungy built his team for him in Tampa.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
# priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
These guys think Gruden is Bill Walsh incarnate
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Compared to most of Al’s coaches, he is.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Thank You Jer-
You know Hue is my new man. Me and him got it goin. Tom is my ex. I got many exes as you well know. But it’s all good, cause I got it goin. I will bring the Raidahs back.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
when answering questions honestly about ur former coach looks like bashing, that tells u all about that coach and why he is a former
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you said Al Davis didn’t take the low road. He did. Bashing a former employee is taking the low road, even if you think he deserves it. It’s still the low road. The high road is saying positive things about him, ….even if you don’t mean it. That’s what the high road is. It’s called formality. But then again, it’s something that’s common in the professional world, something the Raiders dont’ know much about.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I don’t look it as an easier opponent, but a bette matchup. The Eagles LB’s wouldn’t have been calling out our plays.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Gruden was not all that,
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95-81-0 regular season
5-4 post season
5 division titles
1 Super Bowl victory
I’m sorry, compared to every single candidate the Raiders considered this year, including Hue Jackson, Gruden is “all that”. And a bag of chips.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
I’m with M Lonetree forget Gruden this is Hujack City now baby lets move forward the past is just taht the past. Whatever happened none of us will never really know either mans true intensions.
Hujack is the man now………..period
January 30th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Just Fire Baby is Vegas?
January 30th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
MR.
As I recall the Raiders blew a 10 point lead against Jacksonville. There had to have been a lot of punting. That’s not “clutch”. Campbell protected the ball well that day but he didn’t get the job done when he had plenty of opportunities to do so. The object of the game isn’t to have good stats, it’s to win. That’s something the good QBs understand.
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JC made the plays he had to make. He had a few bad gaames this year no doubt, but he played a good game against Jacksonville.
I know your not a Raider fan; your reading comprehensions sucks, and that you are argue no matter what, but JC was clutch in that game… just like the San diego game.
I’m excited about JC being the Raider QB next year. There is enough talent around him to win. Hue/ Al saunders will move the ball and put JC in a position to score points.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Just Fire Baby is Vegas?
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Come on man, you were in Dell’s FFL with me!!!
You didn’t pick up on any of that??
January 30th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Al still traded him, in a Super Bowl year when he was needed most. Doesn’t refute a thing.
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I’m sure if you were asked outside of this debate if Gruden would have stayed if he wasn’t traded, you’d say “No chance. Al Davis meddles so no decent coach wants to stay for long.” Happy to assign the blame for Gruden wanting to leave, no doubt. But to give credit for profiting from a bad situation? I know, I know, “Al can do no right”.
And no one knew it was a SB year at the beginning of that year. We had greybeards at nearly every position. Impossible to say without hind sight that the collapse that happened in ‘03 wouldn’t have started in ‘02. One might even give Davis credit for realizing that he’d be in rebuilding mode very soon and trying to load up on picks for a youth movement; again, it’s what NE has done. (Gruden trade = Seymour trade; they sure needed him this year) But give Davis credit for foresight? I know, I know, “Al Davis can do no right.”
January 30th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
al runs the whole ship and his coaches have no or very little say so in personell matters remember.
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No wonder we couldn’t win the big one in ‘00 and ‘01.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Oh, sure, Vegas. “If” we had an easier opponent in that Super Bowl, we would have won. Well, yeah. That’s scientific. Gee, if you had a million dollars, you’d be rich. You’re sharp as a tack today.
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if we played against a team that didn’t know what we were gonna run before we ran it, we would have won.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Off to hammer out the last two episodes of the 3rd season of the Wire and than the Dubs game.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Whatever happened none of us will never really know either mans true intensions.
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Oh, but you stated you did know, as fact, that Gruden “left” on his own, or was going to leave anyway. Now you’re saying nobody knows? Why didn’t you just say that at first? Backpedaling?
January 30th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Gruden was not all that,
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95-81-0 regular season
5-4 post season
5 division titles
1 Super Bowl victory
I’m sorry, compared to every single candidate the Raiders considered this year, including Hue Jackson, Gruden is “all that”. And a bag of chips.
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Gruden is a has been that is out of coaching. He has a sweet gig as color commentator.
Al davis has been trying to find the next John Gruden, but has failed until he was able to attract Hue Jackson.
Sean Payton & Ken wisenhunt thought long and hard about being the HC in Oakland… infact both men verbally agreed to be HC in Oakland… One man even signed a contract only to reconsider 2-3 days later.
Everything that Gruden was can be found in Hue Jackson.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Al didn’t have to trade Gruden; he could have waited a year and watched him walk away for nothing. that would have been better?
January 30th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
I wanna see Tj and RMR square it off in a debate match, no holds barred, Monday night at 10PM.
The Rules:
Tj starts it off with a RMR counter. I will make the decision who wins the first round.
RMR will start round 2 and Tj will finish and I will decide who won that round.
We will continue for 16 rounds and a 17th if needed.
I will moderate between each round and make the round winner after the bell for each round.
There will be no cussin and no name calling, but you can make references towards each others manhood.
I will declare the winner by # of rounds won, TKO, or if I just need to stop the fight.
The winner gets to claim king of the blog babble, and the loser gets a runner up king of the blog babble.
Prepare you 8 points of argument each, and be ready to counter 8 times. Have 1 point ready in case of a draw after 16 rounds.
No admission will be charged for spectators.
Be there or be square.
I’m Al and I have spoken.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Gruden a has been? LOL. What does that make Al Davis? Remember, Gruden has won a Super Bowl in the past 20 years. Anyway, Gruden is out of coaching by choice.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Gruden wasn’t all that he got in an organization that worked for him and supported him and he did a great job here. But he was too full of himself and thought Mr Davis would go for whatever he said because the fans and the media would side with him. One thing he didn’t figure on is Mr Davis is not some owner that you push around.
Once the Glasiers figured him out they got rid of too so if that doesn’t tell you somethung then you’re not listening. They fored the only coach who won a SB for them and there must be some reason for it. Hell it’s not like they are the Steelers. They’re “Tampa freakin Bay” why would they do that?????????????
January 30th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
al runs the whole ship and his coaches have no or very little say so in personell matters remember.
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No wonder we couldn’t win the big one in ‘00 and ‘01.
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funny how another coach took that team further than it had been the previous years….
January 30th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Al didn’t have to trade Gruden; he could have waited a year and watched him walk away for nothing. that would have been better?
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Yes. It would have given us a much better chance of winning the Super Bowl, which should be the ultimate goal. Not to Al, though.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Maddenraider…
“95-81-0 regular season
5-4 post season
5 division titles
1 Super Bowl victory
I’m sorry, compared to every single candidate the Raiders considered this year, including Hue Jackson, Gruden is “all that”. And a bag of chips.”
– Ok, he was all that for the first 5 years of his career, that’s when he achieved most of those accomplishments.
That would be 4 years in Oakland where Al Davis ran the ship and signed the players and his 1st season in Tampa with the Rich McKay-Tony Dungy built team.
But, then came his last 6 seasons as HC, where Gruden made the playoffs 2 times in 6 seasons and ended up with a 45-53 overall record.
So, let’s agree that he was a top coach for 5 years but then something hapened where he turned into a below average coach, ok?.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Gruden wasn’t all that he got in an organization that worked for him and supported him
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What? Davis wouldn’t give him a new contract, then traded him! What kind of support is that?
January 30th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
funny how another coach took that team further than it had been the previous years….
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Then Gruden deserves credit for TB winning it. He took the team further than Dungy ever did.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
So, what happens when Al passes?
January 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Gruden can coach his ass off, but sGould in no way be involved in personell matters for whatever team he joins
January 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
# pjs4raiders Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
So, what happens when Al passes?
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The Raiders will at least have a chance to win a Super Bowl. With Al, they have no chance.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Gruden can coach his ass off,
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Look who’s finally coming around.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Gruden was my man for a while, now he is my ex, like Tom and many others. Me and Hue got a good thing goin on now, so it’s all good now. I will bring the Raidahs back.
10PM, Monday night. Be there or be square.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
I must say I’m enjoying this little argument….just like old times uh Maddenraider?.
Lol.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Gruden is a has been. He doesn’t have the desire to win… be the best anymore. Al davis is an old man that can’t do it anymore because he is old.
He can identify talent though. He got a good young hungry coach in Jackson. It tool 8 years, but the Raiders have finally found a good young offensive minded coach that can lead them back to big dance…
Of course once that happens, all we will hear about is how Hue did it, and Al davis finally got out of his own way…
January 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
No, because Al won with the players he selected with a new coach. Gruden won with the players someone else selected in a weaker conference.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Grads > Campbell.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Here is a fact about Hue Jackson that all Davis haters choose to ignore: other recent candidates have had some success as a position coach, maybe a coordinator job (usually a ways back) . . . for another team. HJ, on the other hand, had his biggest success with the OAKLAND RAIDERS as a coordinator, last year. All the others were coming into a new environment, HJ has already had some success in this environment, with these players. Offense more than doubled this year, and unless you credit Cable for that *snort* I think that (not to mention Darren McFadden and Jacoby Ford) is reason enough to be optimistic for 2011.
But alas, no optimism around here will go unwetblanketed.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Gruden is a has been.
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Again, what does this make Al Davis?
Gruden has won a Super Bowl in the past decade.
Gruden’s record since leaving the Raiders is far better than Al’s is since Gruden left.
If Gruden’s a has been, Al’s a fossil.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Gruden can coach his ass off,
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Look who’s finally coming around.
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never said he couldn’t coach……are you really this slow or is it an act???
January 30th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Grads > Campbell.
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Lmao
January 30th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Al Davis is still doing his thing at the ripe old age of 81. Gruden retired in his 40’s…
One man still is making headlines… one man just talks about the game.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
The Showdown in Oaktown, 10PM Debate starring Tj and RMR, will present arguing at its finest, with Al as the referee. Have your popcorn ready for 16 rounds and maybe 17 rounds of drivel and debate, and no real winner in sight. Vegas refuses to give any odds on this match. You can’t even buy odds. Vegas does not acknowledge this debate of the Millenium.
Another rule: you can argue past, present or future Raidah, but has to be all Raidah.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Gruden won with the players someone else selected
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Michael Pitman and Keenan McCardell were players Gruden brought in, and they both contributed on heavily on the offensive side of the ball, and not to mention played well in the Super Bowl. The offense has to score some points. You can’t win with defense alone. So, Gruden won with his players, too.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
But, I shouldn’t be so hard on Severeraiderz. He’s backpedaling and starting to admit Gruden’s a good coach, after bashing him for an hour. It’s progress. I shouldn’t get in the way of it.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
it is amazing how imposters react when faced with the statistical FACTS..campbell outplayed all the franchise qb’s and these dummies still don’t get it…they tried to spin the stats in grads favor..bruce, bruce, bruce gradkowski is out of football, now how good is he now??? the man was on scholarship with tc. get over it!!! you have poor player judgement and you know who you are!!!!!!
January 30th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
183.dickv Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Gruden is a has been. He doesn’t have the desire to win… be the best anymore. Al davis is an old man that can’t do it anymore because he is old.
He can identify talent though. He got a good young hungry coach in Jackson. It tool 8 years, but the Raiders have finally found a good young offensive minded coach that can lead them back to big dance…
Of course once that happens, all we will hear about is how Hue did it, and Al davis finally got out of his own way…
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It’s all good as long as long as I get all the credit, you know that. I will bring the glory and the past of the Raidahs back.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Al Davis > anybody
January 30th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
But, I shouldn’t be so hard on Severeraiderz. He’s backpedaling and starting to admit Gruden’s a good coach, after bashing him for an hour. It’s progress. I shouldn’t get in the way of it.
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RMR’s school of argument. Put words in the other persons mouth and the act as if they are comin around to ur point of view…..straight out of the fox news handbook
January 30th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Ponder, Hankerson, and Boisie St twins Young and Pettis looked great.
I would love to see the Raiders pick up any 2 of these players.
Hankerson or Young in with our second or third round pick;
Pettis with our 3rd or 4th round (no way he lasts till the fifth);
and Ponder with our 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
still hoping for CO Jimmy Smith/CB with our #2;
hopefullu Raiders resign Mr. Asomugha and Mr. Seymour.
It appears Huff is planning on returning to the Raiders at least he is staying in touch with teammates.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
I don’t think Gruden is a has been, but I think the perception that he didn’t do much in tampa with the team he built himself is warranted. Dungy should get a big share of the credit for the SB win. Gruden’s real success as a coach came here, working with Al Davis.
Excuse me, RMR, I’m sorry, his success came here IN SPITE of working with Al Davis, because Al Davis can do no right. Even though that’s not how Gruden tells it, I wouldn’t want to spoil your narrative.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Gruden won with the players someone else selected
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Michael Pitman and Keenan McCardell were players Gruden brought in, and they both contributed on heavily on the offensive side of the ball, and not to mention played well in the Super Bowl. The offense has to score some points. You can’t win with defense alone. So, Gruden won with his players, too.
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that team won with D and you know it, it’s precisely the reason you tried to put in a rebuttal to my argument before I even responded, because even u know that team was built on defense
January 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Yeah right the only way we’ll ever win again is if we bring JON GRUDEN back that is all you read from his worshipers. No other coach on planet earth can win here.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
10.priesttj Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Why would you benched his QB 6 qrtrs into the season and wouldn’t play Bush and didn’t play Bruce Campbell more than 5 plays all year long. Cable changed the way Mr Davis wanted to deal with him he got the Raiders sued by someone they didn’t even know.
I would say thee was a HUGE difference between the way he dealt with Turner and Shell as opposed to Kiffin and Cable he shouldn’t have fired Norv or Art. He definitely should’ve fired Kiffin and Cable IMO. Two wrong two right just MHO.
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Priest
I am totally agreeing with your posts because if you only win 4-5 games – you should expect to be fired. If you punch an employee and break his jaw – you should be fired! You beat a woman – give me a break! I guess what I don’t agree with is why do you say AD should not have fired Shell? If you are talking about the first time maybe but the second time it was obvious in the 06 season that the game had passed Art by. Hiring the OC he did was just flat out stupid. 2-14 would get just about anyone fired.
My big problem with AD is that he is so smart and experienced he can control things and kind of get by. Anyone that old in his physical condition needs to delegate more than he does. In my mind he should have never gotten rid of Bruce Allen and kept Gruden (give him what he wanted) and allowed them more free reign to build the Francise.
I have no idea why he decided to hire Art again after being out of coaching or why he let Cali (let alone Cable) take over after what happened with the other OL coach he made HC – Bugel. Hopefully he can trust Hue enough that this will work out better.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Davy my take on Gruden is he a good coach, but he has been to the mountain top and does not have the desire or will to win: do the the daily grind anymore just like others that have won a superbowl/ been to the top… Mike Holmgren, Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells, Brian Billick, and Tony Dungy. Are they good coaches… yes. Can they still put the work in to win a Superbowl… don’t think they have the desire to or they would have already been coaching again.
They saddle themselves with high $ amounts and talk about control/ final say on 53 man roster… want to overule GM’s or even be GM/ HC. They need all of those factors because they know NHL HC is 360 days a year… long hours in offseason/ crazy hours during season.
Gruden doesn’t want that when he can just show up to a few production meetings; conduct a few interviews and still bring in a fat 7 digit salary… thats what i meant by has been.
Thats why Hue Jackson is an intriguing coach… he has the will/ fire to win.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
it is amazing how imposters react when faced with the statistical FACTS..campbell outplayed all the franchise qb’s and these dummies still don’t get it…they tried to spin the stats in grads favor..bruce, bruce, bruce gradkowski is out of football, now how good is he now??? the man was on scholarship with tc. get over it!!! you have poor player judgement and you know who you are!!!!!!
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Gradkowski is now out of football?
Campbell outplayed which franchise QBs? JaMarcus?
Bruce was on a TC scholarship? Even though HueJackCity openly and eagerly took credit for inserting Grads in the win over STL?
January 30th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
It must be fun to hmake arguments out of completely made-up and false info. I’ll have to try it some time. It’s harder when you try to debate something using facts and reality.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
If I read “Coach Davis” or “Mr. Davis” one more time I’m gonna vomit. What a sycophantic world the NFL must be to elicit this kind of ass kissing nonsense. No amount of money would get me to stoop to such a level.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
ohioraider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
If I read “Coach Davis” or “Mr. Davis” one more time I’m gonna vomit. What a sycophantic world the NFL must be to elicit this kind of ass kissing nonsense. No amount of money would get me to stoop to such a level
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Yer a flat lyin Cuur Dog, and you know it! $$$$ talks.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
down the stretch campbell out played all the franchise qb’s according to stats inc. you don’t believe it?? look it up.. and if gruden is such a great coach how come he is out of football????with grad
January 30th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
gradkowski’s contract is up.. even if he is lucky to get resigned here he won’t make the team.. i thought he was a good back up,,i was wrong, he can’t stay healthy.. no team will take a chance on him not even seattle…
January 30th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
R8rwill,
Didn’t realize that if a player in the final year of their contract hasn’t been signed before the season is technically even over that they’re now “out of football.” Does that mean Nnamdi is officially no longer an NFL player as well?
January 30th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
On the contrary, dirty vermin, I’m self employed for a reason.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
I wouldn’t for one second give zgruden any control over personnel and the only thing Bruce Allen is good at is Capology and negotiating contracts. Bruce is NOT a personnel guy…………period
I wouldn’t give free reign to either of them Mike Lombardi is TWCIE the personnel man Bruce Allen is and I know that for a Fact I watched them both work.
Art Shell IMO is a better coach than that record what he is is very stubborn. If he had listened to Mr davis and hired Mike Martz as his OC he would’ve coached another 6-7 years. His problems were he fought with his star player Jerry Porter instead of giving into him for the good of the team. ALSO I think we were very short on talent at that time(QB Oline and defense) we just wewren’t av very good team. Not to mention leadership was very lacking.
And Norv Turner IMO Big Al just didn’t like him he was a good coach had he been given more time we would not have sunk so low. Those two coaches were good coaches who had rotten luck IMO.
Kiffin and Cable, Brutal Liar and a mediocre coach respectively.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
RMR is not in touch with reality, he obssesses over a man he claims to hate. He sides with everyone who is opposed to Al Davis. He ignores the praise that Gruden gives Al regularly, says Kiffin was righting the ship here even though he wad immediately looking to exit stage right, and even lives Grads because of his link to Gruden. I bet he thought Tui was a franchis QB as well at one time
January 30th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Exactly what did Kiffin lie about, other than he, you know, actually respected Davis?
January 30th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
chris in new york, you got something stronger than post #205-206? bring it on!! but you should read before you shoot your mouth off because it removes all doubt about what you know!!
January 30th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Gotta commend Marley ..setting yall hoes straight! Bringin the facts
January 30th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
severe thats why i ask why people bother to argue with that niner fan
January 30th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Raccoon,
We need better laws.
If a person steals, we shoot them I’m the foot.
If they kill, rape, or harm children, we shoot them in the head.
No more prison for these people. That’s a waste of our tax money!
I hate criminals who harm children, and I don’t think they should be allowed to live.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
You lost a lot of points with that assnuzzling.
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Lost points with YOU?
I’m sure Hue will have trouble sleeping tonight knowing that.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Raider O, there are plenty of countries in the middle east that will provide you with the authoritarian rule you crave.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
is it true that monte kiffin filed defamation of character law suit against lame lane for lying and what did Tennessee fire lance ah i mean lane for was it “CAUSE”?? or just lying and cheating??
January 30th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Ohioraider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Exactly what did Kiffin lie about, other than he, you know, actually respected Davis?
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about not being in contact with al and the weekly meetings al had with Ryan where they would make a gameplan on defense
January 30th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Ohio,
It’s not the same! They stone people! I wanna shoot them! Clearly you can see the difference.
Criminals who harm children should die! Period!
You can spend your money helping human trash like that, but I rather kill them and save us some money!
$$$$ talks!!!!
January 30th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Wow, tough crowd tonight. If you guys were in Egypt Mubarek would have gotten the Fk out by now.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Campbell down the stretch
Pitt 35, Oak 3, Campbell: 7-19, 70 yards, 3 turnovers
Oak 28, SD 13, 10-16, 117, 1 TD
Jax 38, Oak 31, 21-30, 324, 2 TDs
Oak 39, Den 23, 15-26, 238, 1 TD, 2 INTs
Ind 31, Oak 26, 29-42, 232, 1 TD
Oak 31, KC 10, 15-25, 155, 1TD
If you lose or don’t even approach 200 yards in a win, the QB isn’t really out dueling anyone. Given that, congrats, Campbell out dueled Tim Tebow in Tebow’s first career start … with the help of a pass in the flat that Reece took 73 yards for a TD, accounting for 1/3 of Soup’s yardage total that game.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
212.ohioraider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
On the contrary, dirty vermin, I’m self employed for a reason.
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So you work for free?
January 30th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
We can save all that money and build better schools for our children.
We need less prisons, more schools, and less taxes! Shoot them all!
January 30th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
219.Raider O Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Raccoon,
We need better laws.
If a person steals, we shoot them I’m the foot.
If they kill, rape, or harm children, we shoot them in the head.
No more prison for these people. That’s a waste of our tax money!
I hate criminals who harm children, and I don’t think they should be allowed to live.
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Agreed 100 %
January 30th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Kill Mubarak too! He is a criminal!
January 30th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Priest,
If you’re gonna mention my name then make sure you’re here to reply when you’re proven wrong again…alright!
1. JC was a fraud, still is a fraud, and will be a fraud next year. I dare any of you JC backer to show me how he carried this team in his 13 starts this year.
2. For JC’s #1 fan (you know who you are) to boast about his 4th Qtr rating this year, I ask you to explain how JC did in the 4th qtr this year other than garbage minutes…..JAX game? hmmmm……
Only 1 guy was willing to take me on this year for a 3-1 odds bet on JC. He lost badly.
Priest, you dare make a prediction on JC for next year? I guarantee you he will have at least 4 sub 70 rating games next year. C’mon talk is cheap. How about putting your football semi-blog repuation to a test huh?
January 30th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
btw Priest,
The season is over and there aint much to chatter about between now and the draft. That’s why I’m not on here as much. I know you miss me though.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Campbell in 2010:
2,387 yards 13 TDs, 8 INTs
JaMarcus in 2008
2,423 yards 13TDs, 8 INTs
January 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
If a person steals, we shoot them I’m the foot.
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In 1850 if you stole a horse you would be hanged.
In 2011 if you steal a car you get a slap on the wrist.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Raccoon,
We need to start our own party. The Green Party!
Smoke weed!
No taxes!
Kill criminals!
Less Govt!!
January 30th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Why have Govt if they can provide security to the citizens.
Stealing, killing, and harming our children, then you want us to pay for them to stay at a prison?!?!
Kill them all, and save me some money!
January 30th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
So its settled.
Gruden wanted authority that Al would not give and rightfully so (even in hindsight given what that same authority delivered him in Tampa). He would not re-up for a long term contract and considering the circumstances presented to him Al took the deal for draft picks (any one of you would make the same choice I know I would have).
Most of Gruden’s success came as a Raider, after he left his success started to decline.
Gruden was a very good coach but maybe not a great personnel guy. Evidence in Tampa would support that conclusion when he did have more control over personnel. Yet he wanted such power that Al was unwilling to give possibly recognizing his limits as they were.
Sounds like a case of a young man full of cockiness or overly confident in his abilities wanting to prove he can do it all and not being objective enough to understand his limitations.
That about sums it up. Next topic.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
147.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Convenient, Marley, to leave out Gruden’s record in Oakland. His overall record is impressive. Well over .500, Several division titles and playoff appearances, and a Super Bowl victory. Credit whoever you want, but that’s his rap sheet. His numbers make him a “top notch” coach. But I guess not if you’re only going to post half of them. Clever.
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Gruden DOES have the stats. I would love to have him back in Oakland. I like him as a person (what I can tell of him anyway), I like the snarl, the energy, and most importantly THE WINNING!
Gruden deserves the “elite” status, unlike Jeff Fisher who in his 17 yrs. as Titan HC averaged 1.5 games over .500. Only 6 playoff appearences and one SB appearence which was 15 yrs. ago I believe. Hasn’t been to the playoffs since 2004 yet Clayton (on espn) talks about him as if he’s on the level of Vince Lombardi. Fisher had a lot of say in personnel decisions as well. His record was not bad, but ELITE? Not even close.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
If they can’t*
January 30th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Campbell in 2010:
2,387 yards 13 TDs, 8 INTs
JaMarcus in 2008
2,423 yards 13TDs, 8 INTs
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show the starts and completion percentage…..
January 30th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
The Raiders will draft a WR late … IMO.
Think size & Speed guys:
Darvin Adams Auburn 6′3 185 4.4 40yd
Vidal hazelton 6′2 210 4.5 40yd
Mark Del 6′2 188 4.4 40yd
Deandre Brown 6′6 228 4.4 40yd… Southern miss
Greg Little 6′2 220 4.5 40yd UNC/ Represented by Drew Rosenhaus.. Louis Murphy’s agent
Maybe Austin Pettis if he falls…As well as if Hankerson, torrey smith, titus young… if they fall and are best player on Al’s board 3rd or 4th.. then I see him making the pick.
Again I think the Raiders fill good about young WR.. and have a great supporting cast around them in DMC, Zach Miller, bush, and Marcel Reece
January 30th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
I would love Gruden, but it’s pointless to talk about cuz he’s not coming back.
We have Hue. I’m happy with that.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Fisher is so freakin’ overrated. What the hell has HE done all these years and he’s had lots of control.
Same goes for Cowher. He way overrated as well.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Priest, you dare make a prediction on JC for next year? I guarantee you he will have at least 4 sub 70 rating games next year. C’mon talk is cheap. How about putting your football semi-blog repuation to a test huh?
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I got 200 bucks that says ur boy grads doesnt play in 15 qtrs next year
January 30th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Hue seems to relent to Davis on personnel matters and seems to be more focused on coaching who is given to him that wanting to dictate who he gets. All being said, that’s probably good news when it pertains to this ball club.
Hu Jack is the man! Staring buffing that HOF bust! We got ourselves a coach!!! (maybe a little too much, I know).
January 30th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
240.severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Campbell in 2010:
2,387 yards 13 TDs, 8 INTs
JaMarcus in 2008
2,423 yards 13TDs, 8 INTs
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show the starts and completion percentage…..
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Even without additonal supporting documentation, there are intangibles that make one QB better or worse than another.
Will QB “A” run for that first down on 3rd and three?
Will QB “B” fumble every time he’s sacked?
Will QB “A” make the right play at the right time?
Even if stats are identitcal, there will always be differences on performance and results.
One stat that Campbell has on Jamarcus is the most obvious and important one: “WINNING?”
January 30th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Hue’s attitude seems to be “these are the players I have, let me create an environment for them to succeed ….we have players with a lot of speed, let me see how i can create space for them to use it” ….right now I would say he’s not focused on dictating what player he wants
January 30th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
JC is the QB in 2011. It won’t be grads, Kolb, Carson Palmer, Mike Vick, Alex Smith, VY, Tavarias Jackson, Billy Volek, or even Peyton Manning.
JC is not a great player… he’s not even Jim Plunket, but he played well down the stretch. He is a game manager that takes care of the football, and makes all the throws. Unrealistic fans will boo him and cry about how bad he is, but he is/ and will be the QB in 2011. He outplayed Gradkowski in 2010 mostly because Grads is made of glass.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Despite all the intense ridicule ,criticism, and outright disdain for your favorite team, there has to be some excitement for the upcoming season, no?
January 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
JaMarcus 15 games, 53% comp
JaCampbell 13 games, 59% comp
I’m not saying Campbell is near JaMarcus, just taking exception to the claim he outplayed a bunch of franchise QBs down the stretch. And Campbell’s comp pct doesn’t do much for me since it’s his inability to pull the trigger on throws down field that is far and away my biggest, if not only, real gripe about the guy. If you’re constantly checking down you should complete a high percent of passes.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Right wing wack jobs flexing your blogging muscles tonight, eh?
January 30th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
If JC plays faster he can be really good. When he does even I’m sort of impressed. When he doesn’t and starts sitting back there holding that damn ball, thats when he drives me crazy and holds the team back
January 30th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Dickv
Add Fort Valley State WR Ricardo Lockett to that list.
He’s close to 6′3 212 and is a former track champion who was timed at 4.35 a few weeks ago and is aiming to run a sub 4.3 in the combine.
I posted some stuff on him earlier, post 16 and 18 if you’re interested.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
235.Raider O Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Raccoon,
We need to start our own party. The Green Party!
Smoke weed!
No taxes!
Kill criminals!
Less Govt!!
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That would be the Purple party.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
DeAngelo Hall was Pro Bowl MVP? Hilarious.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
252.TerrapinRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
If JC plays faster he can be really good. When he does even I’m sort of impressed. When he doesn’t and starts sitting back there holding that damn ball, thats when he drives me crazy and holds the team back
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He can move fast enough, he just can’t think that fast. Mentally SLOW. Not a retard, just stupid.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
MeAngelo sucks …I don’t even want to think about that guy. At least the media wont ever claim he’s the best CB in the game anymore since he had to play opposite the one.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
I’m hoping that Ronell Lewis is good to go for his junior year. The guy can hit you like a bus. Future Raider.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
250.Chris in NY Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
JaMarcus 15 games, 53% comp
JaCampbell 13 games, 59% comp
I’m not saying Campbell is near JaMarcus, just taking exception to the claim he outplayed a bunch of franchise QBs down the stretch. And Campbell’s comp pct doesn’t do much for me since it’s his inability to pull the trigger on throws down field that is far and away my biggest, if not only, real gripe about the guy. If you’re constantly checking down you should complete a high percent of passes.
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Which is why I don’t understand all the love coming from Coach Davis in regard to JC.
I thought our dear Darth Sidious was all about the “deep ball”? I saw none of that with JC last year. Did I miss something?
January 30th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
gotta go
January 30th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
DeAngelo Hall was Pro Bowl MVP? Hilarious.
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I cant stand that freakin guy man… he totally sucked when he was in OAK.. totally overpaid, and was constantly targeted by all QBs he faced because they knew he was way weaker than Nmandi.. i thought they were goin to be the best CB tandem in the league.. i was wrong.. Nmandi and Chris Johnson make a better duo.. fukin wak a$$ Hall..
January 30th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
If MeAngelo did anything, he elevated Nnamdi’s reputation.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
SevereRaiderz, congratulations on the progress. Bashing Gruden all day, then coming around to the FACT that he’s a good coach. Good man.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Davy Jones Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Dungy should get a big share of the credit for the SB win.
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And Gruden should get a big share of the credit for the Raiders 2002 AFC Championship win.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Yeah, the D was dramatically better when we dumped Hall for CJ37. Guess Hall’s just a zone system guy who couldn’t hack it in the Raiders man D. Wonder if he would make a good FS. Prob too small.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
JC rode the tail of the team in 2010. When the team needed him to carry them in 2010, he was no where to be found.
I like Hue Jackson better as a HC than as an OC. I wish him luck because I dont think he’s going to be successful in 2011 with JC as his QB. Yeah, JC is the starter but he is still the same lousy guy that we saw in 7 years as a starter. What did the Skins fans complain about JC?
1. Dump off. Check.
2. Pad his stats in garbage minutes. Check.
3. Slow to make decisions. Check.
4. Not clutch. Check.
Other than that, he’s fine a quarterback. Hope you catch my sarcasm and good luck Hue. You’re gonna need all the luck you can get. You better win right away, or it wont take long for the media to be all over your ass since you’re kissing Al’s rears publicly.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
that team won with D and you know it,
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Their offense scored 27 points in the Super Bowl.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Add Fort Valley State WR Ricardo Lockett to that list.
He’s close to 6′3 212 and is a former track champion who was timed at 4.35 a few weeks ago and is aiming to run a sub 4.3 in the combine.
I posted some stuff on him earlier, post 16 and 18 if you’re interested
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I looked around for some highlights earlier but only found some interviews. He’s been working out with NFL players and wants to be the fastest at the combine. Even though he didn’t get accepted to Auburn for academic reasons, he seems to be pretty sharp and intelligent. I’m sure Al has his one good eye on him.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
# ohioraider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Exactly what did Kiffin lie about, other than he, you know, actually respected Davis?
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Ha ha ha ha!!!!
January 30th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
MeAngelo Hall? I go back to this video whenever I hear anything good mentioned about him….Gotta love Rex Ryan…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTaxovxM_0
January 30th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Aig,
You’ve gotta believe that if we do indeed roll with Campbell, that Hue will have a No. 2 QB he likes and won’t hesitate to make the switch if given the leeway, be it Grads or someone else.
Hope Boller doesn’t return. No faith in that guy either.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
that team won with D and you know it,
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Their offense scored 27 points in the Super Bowl.
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that means the defense scored 21 and held the #1 offense to 21….seems like the d was more important. How many of those 27 pts were off of turnovers….you are really not good at this debating thing are u???
January 30th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Raccoon and Raider O = Cartman in the South Park episode where he has his own amusement park. Watch it if you don’t know what I’m talking about. It will teach you guys both a lesson as to just how things work.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
guys, help me out i am looking for meaningless game stats, i can’t find them anywhere..lol
January 30th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
JC rode the tail of the team in 2010. When the team needed him to carry them in 2010, he was no where to be found.
I like Hue Jackson better as a HC than as an OC. I wish him luck because I dont think he’s going to be successful in 2011 with JC as his QB. Yeah, JC is the starter but he is still the same lousy guy that we saw in 7 years as a starter. What did the Skins fans complain about JC?
1. Dump off. Check.
2. Pad his stats in garbage minutes. Check.
3. Slow to make decisions. Check.
4. Not clutch. Check.
Other than that, he’s fine a quarterback. Hope you catch my sarcasm and good luck Hue. You’re gonna need all the luck you can get. You better win right away, or it wont take long for the media to be all over your ass since you’re kissing Al’s rears publicly.
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and still outperformed Grads in everyway imaginable, smh
January 30th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Severe, Score was Tampa 27 Raiders 3 when Tampa returned their first pic. Raiders offense contributed just as much as defense. Gruden methodically moved the ball on the Raiders. That’s offense. That’s contribution. If the offense doesn’t score, that pick 6 by Tampa might only make it 14-3, instead of 34-3. Opponent would still be in it. Gruden did his job. Got the offense across the goal line, putting the game out of reach.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Tampa’s offense contributed as much as defense, I meant to say. Not Raiders.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Raider O, you have no clue how anything works. You’re like Cartman in the episode where he has his own amusement park. No government, no taxes….yay!!! It’s the 21st century, doofus. You would be the first one to shoot yourself if government truly shut down. You’re probably more dependent on government than anyone in here. You probably draw from unemployment, medicare, and whatever other program you can. You just think it’s different when you do it. Doofus.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Go back and watch the first 12 quarters of the season and then try to tell me with a straight face that Camplbell is better than Grads.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
SevereRaiderz, congratulations on the progress. Bashing Gruden all day, then coming around to the FACT that he’s a good coach. Good man.
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Weak!!!!! Lol u are such a sheep
January 30th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
# TerrapinRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
So its settled.
Gruden wanted authority that Al would not give and rightfully so (even in hindsight given what that same authority delivered him in Tampa). He would not re-up for a long term contract and considering the circumstances presented to him Al took the deal for draft picks (any one of you would make the same choice I know I would have).
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@Terra-No, I wouldn’t have. Draft picks are a crapshoot. As it turned out, each of the picks we got were total grabage. Every coach wants control over his assts and input on the roster. Only the Raiders refuse to allow either.
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Most of Gruden’s success came as a Raider, after he left his success started to decline.
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@Terra-Most?? The Goal of every organization is to win. Not lose. Gruden won one time. And it wasn’t with the Raiders.
What do you think Gruden is most proud of? Winning it all with TB? Or coming up short in Oaktown?
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Gruden was a very good coach but maybe not a great personnel guy. Evidence in Tampa would support that conclusion when he did have more control over personnel. Yet he wanted such power that Al was unwilling to give possibly recognizing his limits as they were.
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@Terra-c’mon man. Al had no plans on ever giving up power. Chucky wanted Alex in draft. Al vetoed it and went with Jano. Al’s a control freak. That’s not new
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Sounds like a case of a young man full of cockiness or overly confident in his abilities wanting to prove he can do it all and not being objective enough to understand his limitations.
That about sums it up. Next topic.
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@Terra-sounds like you are confused, a homer, and reaching.
Look at how many here are drooling at the idea of Chucky coming back. How many got po’ed when Al made that stupid deal. Saying “limitations” means you don’t have a clue.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Severe, I’m just giving you props. You were out of sorts all day, bashing Gruden, getting angry because fans want him back, then at the end you finally admit, Gruden can “coach his ass off”. I’m proud of you. Good job.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Severe, Score was Tampa 27 Raiders 3 when Tampa returned their first pic. Raiders offense contributed just as much as defense. Gruden methodically moved the ball on the Raiders. That’s offense. That’s contribution. If the offense doesn’t score, that pick 6 by Tampa might only make it 14-3, instead of 34-3. Opponent would still be in it. Gruden did his job. Got the offense across the goal line, putting the game out of reach.
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Man u are sloooiw, the question wasn’t how man defensive touchdowns they had. How many of those points came on offensive drives by Tampa immediately after a Raiders turnover…..points off of a turnover. The defense held the best offensive team in football to 21 pts while scoring another 21, they contributed more.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
I thought our dear Darth Sidious was all about the “deep ball”? I saw none of that with JC last year. Did I miss something?
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Soup’s average pass this year went less than 6 yards from the line of scrimmage, lowest in the league.
Only one other QB had under 7 yards per attempt (Jon Kitna.)
January 30th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
and still outperformed Grads in everyway imaginable, smh
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If that’s all you have to point to justify Jason Campbell, then let’s do it. Let’s compare head to head in a measured and proper way. Like comparing apple to apple and not apple to orange.
1. Make sure that they play with the same players.
2. Make sure they went up against the opponent.
I know of 3 specific instances. Dare to prove me wrong?
January 30th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Severe, I’m just giving you props. You were out of sorts all day, bashing Gruden, getting angry because fans want him back, then at the end you finally admit, Gruden can “coach his ass off”. I’m proud of you. Good job.
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lol this is 6th grade stuff, come on man ur better than that. This is really weak stuff man, I’m extremely dissappointed in u.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Severe, as you well know, Gruden is a great coach. You admitted so. And in that Super Bowl, his offense put up 27 points. Getting his offense into the end zone (he was their offensive coordinator as well), was his job. By scoring 27, the Raiders were out of it by the time they got the ball late in the 3rd quarter. Had Gruden just put up 3 yards and a cloud of dust on those drives, settled for FGs, etc, Raiders are down something like 14-3, still in it, still have momentum. Gruden killed the Raiders’ momentum, BY SCORING. He beat the Raiders, with both OFFENSE AND DEFENSE. Stats don’t lie. Look it up. But you know that, because you admitted he’s a great coach.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
I own a business, go to school, and you collect unemployment!
I pay taxes so you can have medical and food stamps!
No wonder you crying about taxes!
You are too needy!
January 30th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Go back and watch the first 12 quarters of the season and then try to tell me with a straight face that Camplbell is better than Grads.
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no need to, I watched evey game except the Indy game and JC was the better player by far
*straight face*
January 30th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Chris in NY,
I’m praying that Hue uses his first year freedom with Al Davis to convince him to get a quality back up plan in place for our QB position. I dont like Boller either because he’s just as bad or worst than JC. Boller’s starting track record at Balt was pretty awful. It wont take much to out perform JC I can guarantee you that.
For all of Hue’s public endorsement of JC, I can’t imagine he is not working on a back up plan.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
# djohnnyg Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
You lost a lot of points with that assnuzzling.
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Lost points with YOU?
I’m sure Hue will have trouble sleeping tonight knowing that.
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@LittleBoyJohnny-lost points with lots of people, both for and against the Raiders. Kissing Al’s ass isn’t standing on your own two feet. Calling him Coach, when he hasn’t coached in six decades, was a joke. Yeah, decades. All that did was brown nose Al, and it’s embarrassing.
Following it by saying “I check in with Al first” followed by saying “Everyone says Al makes all the decisions, but he doesn’t” also was sorry.
but hey, you’re a brownnose yourself, so what would you know? besides how to keep your nose polished?
January 30th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Go back and watch the first 12 quarters of the season and then try to tell me with a straight face that Camplbell is better than Grads.
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no need to, I watched evey game except the Indy game and JC was the better player by far
*straight face*
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Really? How did Grad vs JC in the STL game? How was Grad vs JC in the Pitt game? How was Grad vs JC in the SF preseason game?
Straight face?
January 30th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Severe, as you well know, Gruden is a great coach. You admitted so. And in that Super Bowl, his offense put up 27 points. Getting his offense into the end zone (he was their offensive coordinator as well), was his job. By scoring 27, the Raiders were out of it by the time they got the ball late in the 3rd quarter. Had Gruden just put up 3 yards and a cloud of dust on those drives, settled for FGs, etc, Raiders are down something like 14-3, still in it, still have momentum. Gruden killed the Raiders’ momentum, BY SCORING. He beat the Raiders, with both OFFENSE AND DEFENSE. Stats don’t lie. Look it up. But you know that, because you admitted he’s a great coach.
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u still didn’t answer my question, u obviously know the defense carried the day and can’t bring urself to admit it. It’s ok, I’ll let u off the hook this time
January 30th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Silversurfer,
My first time seeing you on here but you are correct in the Hue Jack ass kissing department. Hue better wins right away or else the media will take him to task for those “coach Davis” comments. I just hope that Hue can co-exist with Al’s Angerness.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Hue Jackson was calling him coach Davis, now it’s “Mr. Davis”. Already got checked. He seems smarter than the past puppets, but he’s already backpedaling. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s worse than Cable.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
What do you mean “carried the day”? There’s no stats for “carried the day”, Severe, at least none I’ve heard of. I’m just going with the facts.
Score was 27-3 Tampa, late in the 3rd quarter, and every last one of Tampa’s 27 points was scored on offense. I never said their defense didn’t contribute. Of course they did. They held Gannon and the Raiders to 3. Nonetheless, it is Gruden’s job to score, period. If Gruden settles for punts and FGs instead of the touchdowns he did get to make up for that 27 points, the Raiders might be down something like 14-3 instead of 27-3, and Gannon’s not forcing passes. Instead the Raiders are relaxed and taking what’s given to them. But Gruden’s 27 points on offense put the Raiders in panic mode, and Gannon had to force something, playing right into the hands of Monte and that defense that he, Dungy, McKay and co. built. Gruden came through. He’s a good coach…as you said.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Ask Archie Bunker, or your lover/clone KK.
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
MB, what’s wrong with being a bigot?
January 30th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
For all of Hue’s public endorsement of JC, I can’t imagine he is not working on a back up plan.
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Yep, I’m sure Hue is going to solicit a Kyle Orton type QB who wants to start. The way Al talked about Bruce being injury prone, BG might be gone or be #3. Charlie is a ? and Kyle is probably gone or put on reserve. Hopefully Hue and Al have a plan in place.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Marley… That Locket kid has to be all on the Raiders draft board…
Definately will be drafted by the Raiders in the 7th. Wonder if anybody else is looking at him.
Players like him, Darvin Adams and others can be had late. Due to Free angency the Raiders have way too many needs in other areas: specifically O line.
I have a feeling that Al will draft a NT like Powe in 3rd or Kendrick taylor in 2nd to add value/ enhance the investment to the Rolando Mclain pick… sort of like how he drafted DMC, and specifaclly DHB to support the Russell pick.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Davy Jones Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Dungy should get a big share of the credit for the SB win.
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And Gruden should get a big share of the credit for the Raiders 2002 AFC Championship win.
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A “big share”? I’m surprised you don’t say he deserves it all. But if not, who is this implied other person who deserves some credit?
No doubt the answer is Bruce Allen, of course. And no one else . . . right?
For the record, I loved Gruden. Sometimes I thought he was too conservative in game situations, but he was a great team motivator and an offensive mind. I see a lot of Gruden in Hue Jackson, in fact.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
O’ Monkey
What did you think of all the spent tear gas cannisters reading “Made in America” ?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
You are ignorant!
You lack education!
And you think being married to a white womsn is an accomplishment!
Disgusting!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
I see a lot of Gruden in Hue Jackson, in fact.
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So do I. But one thing being demonstrated thus far is that Jackson is much more of an ass kisser, and that doesn’t bode well for Jackson’s chances at succeeding here. Those who clash with Al seem to get the best results. Gruden, Kiffin (improved the team 100% in his first year), and Cable (5-11 to 8-8).
January 30th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Some league insiders remain convinced that the NFL is bluffing about a lockout, and that come March 4 the league will declare an impasse and impose the terms of its last, best offer before the impasse was reached.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Oh and BTW….DeAngelo Hall named ‘11 ProBowl MVP!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Those who clash with Al seem to get the best results. Gruden, Kiffin (improved the team 100% in his first year), and Cable (5-11 to 8-8).
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Not according to South Park
January 30th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Not mention I still beleive that Al will want to take a CB somewhere in the top of the draft.
If I had to guess Al’s vision of the draft…
2nd rd.
Curtis Brown CB texas… 4.40 40yd 6′0 180 but physical
3rd rd- John Moffit og/c Wisconsin
4th rd- NT Kendrick Ellis Hampton
5th rd- Either Darvin Adams or Dendre Brown … big strong, fast
6th rd- Micheal Morgan OLB USC 6′4 220 4.58 40yd or Craig Stevens 6′3 230 4.65 40yd
7th rd- Ricardo Lockett for all the reasons Marley said…
January 30th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
a question,, if gruden is such a great coach, why isn’t he coaching??? i’ll wait for the answer lol…
January 30th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
wow Boise State OLB Winston Venable is rated as a 7thrd/ fa… that kid is a football player, but he has decent speed (4.62 40yd) although he is undersized (5′11 223)… he seemed to make aplay every time I watched Boise play for the past two seasons.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
R8rwill, I think you’ll be waiting for a minute!
January 30th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Umm, because Gruden is getting paid handsomely to NOT get up at 3 am, stay up until 11 pm, and be away from his wife and kids 75% of the year.
He’s a smart guy. It’s a real easy call.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
I’m watching Hard Knocks on Hulu.com ‘01 Ravens season was great. First year HBO did Hard Knocks, I think. Anybody got any recommendations for my next season? I have to choose between ‘03 Jaguars, ‘07 Chiefs, or ‘08 Cowboys.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
# Al Davis Supreme Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
I wanna see Tj and RMR square it off in a debate match, no holds barred, Monday night at 10PM.
The Rules:
Tj starts it off with a RMR counter. I will make the decision who wins the first round.
RMR will start round 2 and Tj will finish and I will decide who won that round.
We will continue for 16 rounds and a 17th if needed.
I will moderate between each round and make the round winner after the bell for each round.
There will be no cussin and no name calling, but you can make references towards each others manhood.
I will declare the winner by # of rounds won, TKO, or if I just need to stop the fight.
The winner gets to claim king of the blog babble, and the loser gets a runner up king of the blog babble.
Prepare you 8 points of argument each, and be ready to counter 8 times. Have 1 point ready in case of a draw after 16 rounds.
No admission will be charged for spectators.
Be there or be square.
I’m Al and I have spoken.
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is that 10 east coast or west coast
im betting on real madden,i may not agree with every thing he says , but hes pretty damn good when it comes to debate
January 30th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
I see a lot of Gruden in Hue Jackson, in fact.
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and hue build a bully jackson run first ?
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