Wylie expected to join coaching staff
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, January 30th, 2011 at 9:05 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Bob Wylie, who worked last year with the Denver Broncos, is expected to join the Raiders 2011 coaching staff under Hue Jackson as an offensive line coach, according to a league source.
Wylie is a veteran of 30 years of coaching and last was season was the assistant offensive line coach under Clancy Barone on the staff of Josh McDaniels. In the Broncos’ reorganization under John Fox, Barone was moved to tight ends coach with Dave Magazu coming in to coach the offensive line.
From 2007 through 2009, Wylie coached in the Canadian Football League, for the Winnepeg Blue Bombers in 2007 and 2008 and the Saskatchewan Roughriders in 2009. The Montreal Gazette reported early this week the Roughriders were talking to Wylie about returning in 2011.
Wylie has coached primarily tight ends and the offensive line with the New York Jets (1990-91), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1992-95), Cincinnati Bengals (1997-98), Chicago Bears (1999-2003) and Arizona Cardinals (2004).
College stops included Brown (1980-82), Holy Cross (1983-84), Ohio (1985- 87), Colorado State (1988-89), Cincinnati 1996 and Syracuse (2005-06).
Steve Wisniewski, the Raiders’ former Pro Bowl guard, was hired this week as the offensive line assistant.
The Raiders are also to finalizing a deal with Chuck Bresnahan as their linebackers coach, according to a league source.
Darren Perry, the Green Bay safeties coach, is on Oakland’s radar as a possibility for defensive coordinator, and has also been reported as a potential candidate in Philadelphia. Although his name hasn’t come up this year from what I’ve heard, another natural would be Packers linebackers coach Winston Moss, who has interviewed as a head coaching candidate with the Raiders in the past.
Candidates from the Packers and Steelers are off limits until after the Super Bowl, although it’s not unusual for teams to gauge interest from agents for the prospective hires.
[You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.]
January 30th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
I see a lot of Gruden in Hue Jackson, in fact.
…………
So do I. But one thing being demonstrated thus far is that Jackson is much more of an ass kisser, and that doesn’t bode well for Jackson’s chances at succeeding here. Those who clash with Al seem to get the best results. Gruden, Kiffin (improved the team 100% in his first year), and Cable (5-11 to 8-8).
January 30th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
That makes him the perfect Democrat.
_____
# Raider O Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
You are ignorant!
You lack education!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Jerry,
Basically you know nothing and you’re just throwing darts at the wall. At least your blog is a cesspool, compliments of KK & MR!
Keep up the bad work…
January 30th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
I think MR gets his political news from a comedian named Jon Stewart.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
I don’t argue with anyone.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Raider O, everyone is a racist. Why are you so harsh on Kell for being one?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
MB, what’s wrong with Kell being a racist? Everyone is a racist.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
20.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Raccoon, who in here is trying to keep anyone down because of their race?
***************************
I don’t know.
Many people associate “racism” with holding people back due to thier ethnicity.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Just trying to help you out here a little bit. Who cares what color his wife is, if she is ugly she is ugly, leave it at that.
############
Is MR even married? I thought he lived in a basement under his mom’s house and eats tons “o” cheese puffs?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Racoon, why would you lecture us on holding people down because of their race if no one here is doing it?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
24.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
I don’t argue with anyone.
******************************
Yes you do!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Herrera and this guy are both proud members of the Saskatchewan Roughriders family.
Didn’t the Broncos’s run the ZBS last year as well?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Mista,
LMAO
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I live in a basement under my mom’s house, attend Star Trek conventions, and, I’m a hard core Raider fan. The nerd trifecta. It’s a curse.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Lecture??? It is called a comment.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
34.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I live in a basement under my mom’s house, attend Star Trek conventions, and, I’m a hard core Raider fan. The nerd trifecta. It’s a curse.
******************
None of these things are true.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
34.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I live in a basement under my mom’s house, attend Star Trek conventions, and, I’m a hard core Raider fan. The nerd trifecta. It’s a curse.
******************
None of these things are true.
……………..
That’s correct. Thank goodness.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
It’s a wild stretch to call Kiffin’s tenure a GOOD result, and yes I mean Kiffin’s contribution. I thought Cable was a good motivator, but never someone who would beat anyone with X’s and O’s, and moreover a goodly share of that 8-8 should go to Jackson. Cable calling the O is to Jackson calling the O what night is to day. And it seems to me that Flores and Madden got along with Davis great.
No, I think you’re attaching too much importance to having a coach think about Davis the way you do. I think what should and does matter the most is that Hue Jackson has a proven track record of success coaching FOR OAKLAND.
Last HC that could say that was Callahan, but no one then or now would think of giving him much credit for an offense that was Gruden’s; whereas we KNOW this offense was HJ’s.
Come to think of it, this is a little more like Gruden taking over for Callahan.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
37.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
34.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I live in a basement under my mom’s house, attend Star Trek conventions, and, I’m a hard core Raider fan. The nerd trifecta. It’s a curse.
******************
None of these things are true.
……………..
That’s correct. Thank goodness.
******************
See even though I am Scottish we can agree.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
championship
January 30th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
How has the president divide the country by color? Are you making this stuff up as you go along, MB?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
38.Raider O Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I’m not racist!
I don’t think Americans or Arabs are better than any other culture.
I don’t think my faith is better than others’, and I don’t judge people based on what they believe in or where they come from.
I judge those monkey based on what they do!
*********************
Easy O, this boy is just tryin to get ya fired up. You are bigger than that bro. Let him be, he is just a small boy.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
racism is a one way ticket too hell!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
MR, if get off the comedy channel for your news you wont have to ask me idiotic questions like these.
_____
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
How has the president divide the country by color? Are you making this stuff up as you go along, MB?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Stupid.
___
# confucius400 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
racism is a one way ticket too hell!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Davy, just going by the results. Whether you like it or not, Kiffin improved the team 100% in his first year. Took the team from 2 wins to 4 wins. Click on the windows icon in the lower left corner, accessories>calculator. Tabulate it yourself. Cable took the team from 5 to 8 wins. Improvement. No way around it. And we don’t even need to argue about Gruden, do we? You know he built a winner. These coaches all have one thing in common: They all clashed with Al. Clashing with Al brings results. I don’t know why, it just does. Doing what Al wants, however? Results in mediocrity. Again, I don’t know why. That’s just the way it all shapes up.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Stupid.
___
# confucius400 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
racism is a one way ticket too hell!
…………..man who live in trailer and call it a house with axles is stupid.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
So is b Bob Wylie gonna run the ZBS, or Man/Power? Or a combo?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Its not my job to educate the uninformed with mental disorders. Libtards will create a govt bureaucracy to deal with people with your malfunction.
_____
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
How has the president divide the country by color? Are you making this stuff up as you go along, MB?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
MB, how has the president divided the nation by color? That has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. The president has only mentioned race about 3 or 4 times since announcing his candidacy. He hardly discusses race. Rush Limbaugh’s another story.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Where is tj…..period
January 30th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
34.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I live in a basement under my mom’s house, attend Star Trek conventions, and, I’m a hard core Raider fan. The nerd trifecta. It’s a curse.
******************
None of these things are true.
##########
Ok, but what about the cheese puff rumors? Hmmm? And the South Park infatuation?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
The president’s opposition brings brings up race far more than he does.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
RmR
If I need your help, I’ll ask another cross-posting faqqot, ok?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Mistabr0wn you have gum disease!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Now…that doesn’t seem like Kell.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
37.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
34.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I live in a basement under my mom’s house, attend Star Trek conventions, and, I’m a hard core Raider fan. The nerd trifecta. It’s a curse.
******************
None of these things are true.
……………..
That’s correct. Thank goodness.
************************************
See folks, she is not a RAIDER fan.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
agenda
January 30th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
LOL. “she”.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
57.KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
RmR
If I need your help, I’ll ask another cross-posting faqqot, ok?
******************
LLMFAO!!!!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
ROFL!!!!
______
# KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
RmR
If I need your help, I’ll ask another cross-posting faqqot, ok?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
NEWSWEEK Poll:presicents Approval Rating Jumps, Democrats Close ‘Enthusiasm Gap’. As the president’s numbers climb sharply
January 30th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
LOL. Not bad, Kell impersonator.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
MR & KK have been giving each other reach arounds for the last year and then KK goes and fires a laser up MR’s bunghole!
Priceless, 2 libtards wacking each other at off at the knees!
rofl
January 30th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
That’s not KK.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Even Iea Party owned Rasmussen acknowledges, if grudgingly, that the Presidents numbers are rising.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
BrownStains
Any humor you can get from that broken down filthy, coackroach ridden trailer of yours, all the better.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Raccoon,
I’m good bro. That MSG was for someone else. I don’t care about all those things, and I like to joke around about being a leader, no taxes, etc…
You can’t even enjoy a good debate with these monkeys around.
Later Bro.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Who thought his poll numbers wouldn’t rise? The nutty right’s getting exhausted. The true financiers of the tea party movement are trying to save a little money now that they’ve got the ball rolling and the congress, and the bumkins aren’t showing up to the rallies.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
71.Raider O Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Raccoon,
I’m good bro. That MSG was for someone else. I don’t care about all those things, and I like to joke around about being a leader, no taxes, etc…
You can’t even enjoy a good debate with these monkeys around.
Later Bro.
************************
All good bro.
RAIDER on O.
Vote Purple!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Lots of negativity in this community, Bro’s!
January 30th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
KK’s on fire tonight.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Somebody’s on fire using KK’s name.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
71.Raider O Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Raccoon,
I’m good bro. That MSG was for someone else. I don’t care about all those things, and I like to joke around about being a leader, no taxes,
…………………no taxes = no schools then you have stupid people living in roach infested trailers.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
About the only way to improve on this night is if tj came in here and said DHB was better than T Brown, T.O, and Cliff Branch.
Oh wait he has already done that…
January 30th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
I thought the fixed the whole impersonating issue?
January 30th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Hey Bro’s, if I go JerryMac PREMIUM can I block The Real MaddenRaider??
January 30th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Nothing gets past you eh
____
# raideroutlawzdotcom Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Lots of negativity in this community, Bro’s!
January 30th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Just got a tweet from Mr. Raider Tim Brown.
Twitter is awesome. I’ve talked to Bush, Huff, and a few others.
Huff was in Austin a few weeks ago and offered to meet fans for picture and autograph. Dude is pretty cool.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
76.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Somebody’s on fire using KK’s name.
***************************************
Boy, don’tbe mad cause he got you! Take it like a man.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Nobody is using KK’s name but the same moron that has been posting from that screen name for the last 3 years. Just because you got served by your libtard lover dont try and pass it off as someone with more brains as KK.
_______
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Somebody’s on fire using KK’s name.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
80.raideroutlawzdotcom Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Hey Bro’s, if I go JerryMac PREMIUM can I block The Real MaddenRaider??
**************************
What the fuc is this sht yet talkin?? Get out of here with that weak sht u puzzy!
MR may be an annoying lil bish, but he is OUR lil bish! He stays!
January 30th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
raideroutlawzdotcom is G@Y!
January 30th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
MR is going to cry himself to sleep tonight.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
JerryMac should drug-test his posters, you guys are crackheadz.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
C’mon, 2 wins to 4? Listen to yourself. If he improved the team enough for your point to be anything but nitpicking, I might actually need the calculator function; but I won’t need it to count from sucks ass to also sucks ass. Cable deserves some credit for changing team mentality, but Kiffin blows wherever he goes.
Way too dogmatic. I don’t believe that a coach can’t work with Davis and win, especially since Oakland won a conference championship in the last ten years, whether he was “clashing” with Gruden/Callahan or not. Plenty of other teams haven’t made it to the superbowl in more than ten years, regardless of the result. I know it hasn’t all been wine and roses, but don’t you have the Fords to be picking on?
January 30th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Why isn’t Gruden coaching?
He is getting paid handsomely to NOT get up at 3 am, stay up until 11 pm, and be away from his wife and kids 75% of the year.
He’s a smart guy. It’s a real easy call.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
MR is going to cry himself to sleep tonight
……..how do you know do you sleep with him?
January 30th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Chris in NY wins poster of the night.
“Campbell down the stretch
Pitt 35, Oak 3, Campbell: 7-19, 70 yards, 3 turnovers
Oak 28, SD 13, 10-16, 117, 1 TD
Jax 38, Oak 31, 21-30, 324, 2 TDs
Oak 39, Den 23, 15-26, 238, 1 TD, 2 INTs
Ind 31, Oak 26, 29-42, 232, 1 TD
Oak 31, KC 10, 15-25, 155, 1TD
If you lose or don’t even approach 200 yards in a win, the QB isn’t really out dueling
anyone. Given that, congrats, Campbell out dueled Tim Tebow in Tebow’s first career
start … with the help of a pass in the flat that Reece took 73 yards for a TD, accounting
for 1/3 of Soup’s yardage total that game.”
January 30th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
And then Chris follows it up with the ultimate insult.
# Chris in NY Says:
“Campbell in 2010:
2,387 yards 13 TDs, 8 INTs
JaMarcus in 2008
2,423 yards 13TDs, 8 INTs”
And when someone states that JC had fewer starts than Jamarcus, ask them why?
And then remind them of the age difference and how only one of them had the #2 rushing attack and the weakest schedule in the last 15 years.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
# Raider75 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Just got a tweet from Mr. Raider Tim Brown.
Twitter is awesome. I’ve talked to Bush, Huff, and a few others.
Huff was in Austin a few weeks ago and offered to meet fans for picture and autograph. Dude is pretty cool.
—————–
Huff rocks! He gave me tickets to the chiefs game. He gave out 12 tickets to every home game this year.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Why isn’t Gruden coaching?
………..cause he is not a good coach,good coaches are on the sidelines bad coaches are in the tv booth.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
One more time just for good measure.
______
# KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
RmR
If I need your help, I’ll ask another cross-posting faqqot, ok?
January 30th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Am not dirtee raccoon (G@Y) (srry hill)
January 30th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Oakland Raiders Buzz, Hot About NFL, BayAreaCadillac, MARKIES JORDAN, Southwestconnection and others. Southwestconnection said: Wylie expected to join coaching staff: Bob Wylie, who worked last year with the Denver Broncos, is expected to j… http://bit.ly/eEmRHn [...]
January 30th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
JC hasn’t put together a winning season in 6 years.
He’s had pro-bowlers surrounding him in Washington, the #2 rush attack in Oakland, and still…
benched in Washington by Joe Gibbs
benched in Oakland three times in one season (five if you include the AZ and Hou games he was KEPT on the bench as the offense rolled to 400 yards for the first time in 7 years).
Sad.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
KK was obviously furious @ MR for calling him a racist when any slobbering dolt can see he is a bigot, right KK?
January 30th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Good job confucius!
That’s why Gruden was offered the Dolphins job with lots of control. Because he’s a bad coach.
Confucius say “you no know nada.”
January 30th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
One more time just for good measure
……..man who pee around corner has kink in dink
January 30th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
one more time for old time’s sake.
# Chris in NY Says:
“Campbell in 2010:
2,387 yards 13 TDs, 8 INTs
JaMarcus in 2008
2,423 yards 13TDs, 8 INTs”
And when someone states that JC had fewer starts than Jamarcus, ask them why?
And then remind them of the age difference and how only one of them had the #2 rushing attack and the weakest schedule in the last 15 years.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Yall @#$%^&*&^%$#@! got some nerve!
January 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
I’m watching Hard Knocks on Hulu.com ‘01 Ravens season was great. First year HBO did Hard Knocks, I think. Anybody got any recommendations for my next season? I have to choose between ‘03 Jaguars, ‘07 Chiefs, or ‘08 Cowboys.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Good job confucius!
That’s why Gruden was offered the Dolphins job with lots of control. Because he’s a bad coach.
Confucius say “you no know nada.”
…………………he wasnt offered the dolphins job it was the university of miami,thats a step down from the nfl for your imformation.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
How do I delete my @#$%^&*&^%$# account????
January 30th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
You guys sure lost steam, I thought we were arguing
January 30th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Confucius,
Gruden turned down both the Dolphins and the Hurricanes.
Thank you for making my point.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Next you’ll say the Miami Herald was lying about it.
Raideroutlawz,
it’s too easy to argue that trading Gruden sent this franchise back to the stone age
and that Jason Campbell was no better than Jamarcus was in 2008. And that Campbell turns 30 next year and is still looking for his first winning or impressive season.
Sad.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Confucius,
Gruden turned down both the Dolphins and the Hurricanes.
Thank you for making my point.
nope harbaugh turned down dolphins not gruden you stand corrected.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Raider sign a no-name coach to coach their O-line, from a team that was absolutely horrible at running the ball last year.
Why? Because Davis pays minimum wage for coaches, and doesn’t value them.
Awesome.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Confucius,
maybe you can’t count to two.
Two coaches turned them down. Gruden was one of them.
One of us (that’s me), looks things up before posting.
If you want to call the Miami Herald liars, you’re on your own, smart one.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
See Raideroutlawz? Too easy dealing with this over-emotional posters who just like seeing their words in print and don’t bother fact-checking.
So to recap…
JC has never been good, and won’t suddenly blossom after 80 NFL starts (no one in 25 years has done that).
Trading Gruden when our team was at our prime because of him is akin to the Ravens trading John Harbaugh right now (stupid, stupid, stupid) and naming some O-line coach as successor.
With our tough schedule next year, and JC at QB, we have a better shot at going 6-10 than 10-6.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Confucius,
maybe you can’t count to two.
Two coaches turned them down. Gruden was one of them.
One of us (that’s me), looks things up before posting.
If you want to call the Miami Herald liars, you’re on your own, smart one………….if tony spanos was coach last year and coach this year how does gruden turn down a job that dont exist?
January 30th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
gruden will never coach again he had one good year with a tony dungy built team!
January 30th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Alex7, theres always something to disagree about with this franchise. I could say that Gruden won with Dungee’s team and his knowledge of the Raiders playbook and that Campbell’s winning percentage for 1 year is better than Russell ever had.
But more importantly, do you guys just sit here and comment on a blog all day or do you hang at a forum or anything??
January 30th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
raideroutlawzdotcom Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Alex7, theres always something to disagree about with this franchise. I could say that Gruden won with Dungee’s team and his knowledge of the Raiders playbook and that Campbell’s winning percentage for 1 year is better than Russell ever had.
But more importantly, do you guys just sit here and comment on a blog all day or do you hang at a forum or anything??
……………….where i live the forum is a strip club so yeah i hang there.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Confucius,
the same way you admitted Harbaugh turned them down. Doh!!!
January 30th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Confucius,
maybe you can’t count to two.
Two coaches turned them down. Gruden was one of them.
One of us (that’s me), looks things up before posting.
your posting a rumor do you know what rumor means “Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.” …
January 30th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
ahh, confucius kicks it at strip clubs.
Explains a lot.
Outlawz, I jump on here around 30 minutes most days. Debate (with logic) is good brain exercise.
Also, I want to prepare people for a bunch of bad Campbell days next year when he faces real D’s.
Facing the Patriots, Jets, Bears, Packers, Vikings, and Dolphins will look just like it did when he faced the Titans, 49ers, and Steelers.
Yuck. It’s what he’s done his entire career.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Rumors?
Ok. News from credible newspapers like the Miami Herald are rumors now.
Yet you use these same newspaper and internet sources to say Harbaugh turned the Dolphins down.
But if that same media claims Gruden was also offered the job and turned them down, it’s suddenly a rumor.
Goodness, you’re losing tonight.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Rumors?
Ok. News from credible newspapers like the Miami Herald are rumors now.
Yet you use these same newspaper and internet sources to say Harbaugh turned the Dolphins down.
But if that same media claims Gruden was also offered the job and turned them down, it’s suddenly a rumor.
Goodness, you’re losing tonight.
Confucius say man who throw dirt, losing ground
January 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Alex, check us out
January 30th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Pretty hard to turn down a job that wasn’t offered to you. The onl;y coach they offerd the Mami job to was Harbaugh. And for a ton of money
January 30th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
my dirt = logic
you’re going in circles making a statement, then saying the resource you got it from is invalid if it also made my statement.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
says who, priestt?
NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora says Gruden was offered the job. I’m sure he was making it up.
Miami Herald says the same thing.
Charlotte Observer reported it.
But I’ll believe Priestt instead. Yeah.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
my dirt = logic
you’re going in circles making a statement, then saying the resource you got it from is invalid if it also made my statement.
………man who sits on stool smells like shi@t
January 30th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
http://tinyurl.com/623vynu
January 30th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
I don’t even remember Gruden interviewing for the job, in fact they already had a coach but they wanted Harbaugh so before they fired their coach they flew Harbaugh or flew out here and wined and dined him. I don’t remember anyhyting of the sort for Gruden………….period
January 30th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
alex7 please read =rumor definition : talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth
3archaic : talk or report of a notable person or event
4: a soft low indistinct sound : murmur
January 30th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
you not remembering something is quite ok.
Doesn’t mean anything, other than you don’t remember it happening.
Surprised that the Dolphins didn’t give you the heads up on the phone calls or agent dealings they had with Gruden?
January 30th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
yeah, I would say NFL Network, Charlotte Observer, and Miami Herald reporting something = discernible source.
But I understand your ego won’t let you make such a crazy notion.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Jackson: “There’s no question he is. I’m so excited about what he brings to the organization. Him and Michael Bush, those two guys are a 1-2 punch for us…”
_____________________________________________________
If Hue really wants Michael Bush to stay, he should refer to them as a “1-1 punch for us”
January 30th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Jon Gruden To Miami Rumor Addressed Through ESPN Statement
by Andy Hutchins
It’s easy to forget that Jon Gruden isn’t just a Super Bowl-winning coach. (Well, it is if you watch Monday Night Football on mute.) But ESPN is helping Gruden, who works for the network as an NFL analyst, addressed rumors that he will be Miami’s next coach.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Funny how no one in here remembers BUT YOU.
Gruden may have inquired or Miami may have inquired but Gruden was NEVER I repeat NEVER OFFERED that job………period You’re just a LIAR>…………..period
January 30th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Considering Biekert is an assistant linebacker coach, I kind of like the idea of Bresnahan as the linebacker coach… Didn’t Biekert play under Bresnahan when he was defensive coordinator? Might be some good chemistry there… or, maybe not.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
alex7 Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
yeah, I would say NFL Network, Charlotte Observer, and Miami Herald reporting something = discernible source.
But I understand your ego won’t let you make such a crazy notion.
………………………………..Man who speaks with forked tongue should not kiss balloons.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Again Priestt,
if the NFL Network, Charlotte Observer, and Miami Herald all REPORTED that Gruden was OFFERED the job, what point is there in calling me a liar?
I’m pointing you to the sources. You can kinda read it if you spend 2 seconds looking it up.
But again, in Priestt’s world, if he doesn’t know about it, it didn’t happen.
And notice none of those sources were ESPN.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
the bottom line is we don’t know what happened… these sources are wrong nearly as often as they are right… lots of “speculating the truth” out there…
January 30th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Then prove us all wrong and post the link……..end of story!
January 30th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
112.raideroutlawzdotcom Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Alex, check us out
**************************
Dude, didn’t I say get the fuc out?! Y r u sifftin through our scraps lookin for a bone 4 yer h0mo’s?
January 30th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
anyways, i just can’t see why so many people were so shocked by the dismissal of cable.. obviously, we had to choose between cable and hue… is hue wasn’t gone this year, he woulda been gone the next… why risk it? which one brings the energy to the practice field?!? i think thats as important a quality as a head coach can have.. and man, oh man, am i excited about the wiz joining the staff… imagine the wiz huddled over together with veldheer and bruce campbell, passing on nasty bits of advice, his pointed football rage slowly seeping into their bones..
January 30th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
priest, just admit it. Gruden’s a good coach, he was the best possible coach for the Raiders, probably still is, and Al made a horrible, horrible mistake in getting rid of him the way he did. I don’t care if Al got all of the diamonds in the world and a branch of the U.S. military for him, it wasn’t worth it. With the additions we got on D that year, Romo, R. Woodson, Big Sam Adams, that was all that team needed. But we had to play our old coach in the super bowl. Priest, I’m not joking. I’d be willing to get behind Al 100% if he just admitted that trading Gruden was a bad move, fine points of the trade be damned. If he just flat out said it was a dumb move, and said that it very likely cost the Raiders and their fans a 4th Lombardi trophy, I’d have his back 100% until he sailed off into the sunset. I’d forgive him for Marcus, even. Everything. Clean slate.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
priestt, in his lazy way, wants me to prove my point, when all he’s done is babble about how HE didn’t hear about it. Lame.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d80258/article/dolphins-move-to-forefront-of-harbaugh-hunt-49ers-mull-options
The same report that talked about the offer to Harbaugh states that offer only came AFTER Ross failed to land Gruden.
But Priestt will believe one, and not the other, even though they were both reported by the same guy in the same article. Watch. It’s amazing.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
And I don’t want to hear that Gruden wanted to leave anyway. As far as we know, Davis wasn’t willing to pay Gruden along with the other top paid coaches in the league, which Gruden deserved. And in that case, any sane person would have to assume that is the reason why Gruden wanted to leave. It’s an old corporate trick. You want to get rid of someone, you treat them like dirt, they quit on their own, that way you don’t have to worry about any type of wrongful termination suit, union grievance, what have you. You can just say, “hey, he quit. He didn’t want to be here”. B.S. Davis ran him out. And it was a mistake.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
It’s too hard for Priestt to go “oh, you were right.”
What that would do to his online ego!!! Oh the horror of that thought.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
He works for the team. He’s a paid hack. Priest will admit Al was wrong when Al admits it. Until then, it’s toe toe toe that line.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
When people say they can’t believe fans are still talking about Gruden, I say I can’t believe that there are still fans who haven’t realized what a mistake Al made by getting rid of him. Can you believe that, Alex? At this day and age, 8 straight years without a winning season, there are still fans who think the Gruden trade was a good idea. Good for the team in the long run. Unbelievable. That’s what amazes me. Not the fact that people still talk about him, as well they should.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
What a sad job that would be. Lose all your self, and be prone to follow someone else regardless of what evidence one might discover along the way.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:02 am
Right. And then those people scoff that in Tampa Bay, he “only” made the playoffs a handful of times.
Umm, wait, that’s a bad thing? I’ll take that!
And how the Bucs were so much better letting him go. Yeah, they went from 9-7 his last year, to 3-13 the next year without him.
Glad that loser is gone!!!
January 31st, 2011 at 12:04 am
the thing is, it’s kind of irrelevant now… yes, it is important to learn from past mistakes… so next time we are that close, don’t trade the head coach…but, honestly, at the time it didn’t seem like such a bad thing… we were already the best team in football, and we got 2 firsts and 2 seconds (right?)… it was a great chance to reload an aging team.. but, we kinda blew it, anyhow..
January 31st, 2011 at 12:05 am
125.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
priest, just admit it. Gruden’s a good coach, he was the best possible coach for the Raiders, probably still is, and Al made a horrible, horrible mistake in getting rid of him the way he did. I don’t care if Al got all of the diamonds in the world and a branch of the U.S. military for him, it wasn’t worth it. With the additions we got on D that year, Romo, R. Woodson, Big Sam Adams, that was all that team needed. But we had to play our old coach in the super bowl. Priest, I’m not joking. I’d be willing to get behind Al 100% if he just admitted that trading Gruden was a bad move, fine points of the trade be damned. If he just flat out said it was a dumb move, and said that it very likely cost the Raiders and their fans a 4th Lombardi trophy, I’d have his back 100% until he sailed off into the sunset. I’d forgive him for Marcus, even. Everything. Clean slate.
**********************************
I’ll let Mr. Crocket know, he will bring it to Mr. Davis. I am sure Al will give this matter full attention.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:07 am
and to speak in absolutes about the soundness of that trade..if we had drafted great players with those picks, maybe we would be singing a different tune now… so many factors… but i do tend to agree, we win that super bowl if we kept gruden… but who knows, and hindsight is 20-20 eh?
January 31st, 2011 at 12:09 am
Three Points re: Gruden
1) It should have been a good move trading Gruden to Tampa Bay, at the time the Raiders had the best offense in the NFL with Mr. Gannon leading the way, extra 1st rd picks should have been impact players, Mr. Asomugha took a few years to develop, now the best CB in the NFL.
2) Selecting Callahan as HC was great (for that one season anyway)for us until, we ended up having to play against Tampa Bay, led by Gruden, any other team from the NFC in the Super Bowl, Raiders blow them ought of the stadium.
3) Gruden is getting two paychecks, one from Tampa and one from ESPN, if he were to coach for another NFL team, he surrenders both of those paychecks.
I do not know his political affiliation , Democrat or Republican, but he is a capitalist.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:11 am
But we weren’t the best team. We had just lost in the playoffs. We were very close. And then you CHOOSE to drop your HC IQ a bunch of points?
And when you face said HC in the biggest game of all, you show your lack of IQ by keeping all play-calling the same.
So yeah, that kind of cost us big.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:12 am
Raiders draft for 2003
1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California
1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado
2. Teyo Johnson, TE, Stanford
3a. Sam Williams, DE, Fresno State
3b. Justin Fargas, RB, USC
4. Shurron Pierson, LB, South Florida
5. Doug Gabriel, WR, Central Florida
6. Dustin Rykert, T, BYU
7a. Sideeq Shabazz, S, New Mexico State
7b. Ryan Hoag, WR Gustavus Adolphus
January 31st, 2011 at 12:16 am
Asomugha wasn’t one of the extra selections.
With those 4 picks, we took Tyler Brayton, Langston Walker, P. Buchanon, and Teyo Johnson.
I mean, with Davis’ draft history, and knowing those picks would be bottom of the 1st and bottom of the 2nd…
can you imagine the Steelers, Ravens, Eagles, or Packers doing that now in the cusp of Super Bowl visits?
All for what? A few million Davis was unwilling to pay up? How many millions in lost franchise value did Davis give up due to the last 7 years?
Just stingy and ego-driven. Commitment my butt.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:17 am
After Nnamdi, draft was not very good, only Williams still with the team, Fargas was a good back up RB, Brayton was serviceable, all others were…well they do have families… so I will keep my adjectives to myself
January 31st, 2011 at 12:19 am
Raiders could have easily drafted Brayton before Nnamdi, but DEs get more $$$ than DBs, so…
January 31st, 2011 at 12:20 am
RMR you are completely nuts if you think no matter what he giot for a coach it’s not worth it. This is my last convo with you dude you are SICK………..period
Thanks for the link on Gruden to Miami they couldn’t get him I’ll assume they offered him the job eventhough it doesn’t say that. It sounds more like an inquirey to me like I said i the first place. There may never have been an offer made. Because no one says there was. I agreed they were may ahv e been interested and even he may have been but I never heard an offer extended the article doesn’t clarify.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:21 am
# raidersmith17 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:07 am
if we kept gruden… but who knows, and hindsight is 20-20 eh?
………….
So, basically, I’m walking down the street, and there’s a pile of horse dung in front of me. You tell me, “hey, watch out, don’t step in that dung”. I tell you not to worry about it. It’s my business. Then, suddenly, I step in the dung. And you say, “Told you so”. I respond by telling you, “hindsight’s 20-20, eh?”
January 31st, 2011 at 12:25 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:21 am
# raidersmith17 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:07 am
if we kept gruden… but who knows, and hindsight is 20-20 eh?
………….
So, basically, I’m walking down the street, and there’s a pile of horse dung in front of me.than thats alex7
January 31st, 2011 at 12:25 am
And priest, I’ve bought my last Raider game ticket because of your attitude. And I’m confident others who encounter you will boycott the team as well. Your attitude sucks as bad as the Raiders have since Gruden’s been gone.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:27 am
yeah, certainly, the way it turned out, it can only be thought of as a mistake now. But our IQ didn’t seem to diminish, other than having the unknowable (although, predicting tampa at the time wouldn’t have been a stretch) misfortune of being matched up against someone who knows you inside and out in the biggest game of all… as far as not changing the plays.. i really can’t understand it.. not enough time? or were they just over-confident? I put that on the coach and quarterback, as I would imagine gannon had about as much say in those meetings as the coordinator.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:27 am
Good stay away far away you stink…..period
January 31st, 2011 at 12:29 am
Players we passed on:
2nd round:
A. Boldin, Umenyiora
3rd Rd:
J Witten
4th RD:
D Klecko
5th:
D Lee
So who knows what would have happened had Brayton been drafted three spots ahead of us.
7734 upside-down had Raiders drafted Tyree in the sixth round instead of Dustin Rykert, Patriots would have gone undefeated.
thankfully that didn’t happen.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:31 am
but i’m saying, after the trade happened, there were other decisions made that could have changed how things turned out.. i don’t agree that the trade was such a bad thing. If other things, such as the draft and gameplanning had been executed better we could have still won. Remember what the great ravens defense did to gannon? Those Bucs had a great defense too.. don’t forget about barret… maybe gruden keeps him sane… so many questions.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:32 am
“And priest, I’ve bought my last Raider game ticket because of your attitude.”
^^^^^^^^^^^
One of the dumbest things I’ve seen on here.
Just say you aren’t a season ticket holder, and never plan on being one. Then say you rarely if ever buy tickets to games, and plan on the same.
Wasn’t that easier?
From what I’ve read, TJP is a bitter obstinate really old man, who’s a raider fan, nothing more.
Letting his actions dictate yours pretty much makes him your Daddy, no?
January 31st, 2011 at 12:40 am
Wylie looks to be the designated mentor for Wiz. Wylie is a teacher of OL clinics…. looks like a good hirer…though his career ifull of moves (firings)caused by HC changes.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:42 am
Silver,
if priestt truly works for the team, and this is how he represents them, then I can see how many people would be turned off by his demeanor and avoid the product he’s representing based on that unfortunate demeanor.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:43 am
Yeah Vinous,
your last line is more important than the first ones.
The guy is a constant re-tread who likely gets hired on due to experience and coming cheaply, NOT because he’s actually above-average at what he does.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:44 am
priesttj Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:20 am
RMR you are completely nuts if you think no matter what he giot for a coach it’s not worth it. This is my last convo with you dude you are SICK………..period
^^^^^^^^^^
# priesttj Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:27 am
Good stay away far away you stink…..period
^^^^^^^^^^^^
ur promise to ignore lasted all of 7 minutes.
good one.
next time see if you can hit 10 min. something to shoot for
January 31st, 2011 at 12:48 am
raider nation is a family,and every family has a father ,al davis is our father who art in oakland hallowed be his name!
January 31st, 2011 at 12:51 am
all hail al davis
January 31st, 2011 at 12:53 am
gruden is history you have a little groundhog day going living the same day over and over,just say it he is gone and start a new day.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:54 am
# alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:42 am
Silver,
if priestt truly works for the team, and this is how he represents them, then I can see how many people would be turned off by his demeanor and avoid the product he’s representing based on that unfortunate demeanor.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I seriously doubt he works for the team, in any capacity
January 31st, 2011 at 12:55 am
fo realz
January 31st, 2011 at 12:57 am
SilverSurfer Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:54 am
# alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:42 am
Silver,
if priestt truly works for the team, and this is how he represents them, then I can see how many people would be turned off by his demeanor and avoid the product he’s representing based on that unfortunate demeanor.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I seriously doubt he works for the team, in any capacity
…………….peanuts get your peanuts
January 31st, 2011 at 1:25 am
Silver,
RMR said he did, and RMR is the one who said he won’t buy another ticket because of him.
So while I don’t know whether he does or doesn’t, I was explaining why RMR, thinking that Priestt does, would be influenced to that extent.
Good night all.
January 31st, 2011 at 1:28 am
Good night hunnies
January 31st, 2011 at 1:34 am
[...] The team is expected to hire Bob Wylie as their new offensive line coach according to Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune. [...]
January 31st, 2011 at 1:49 am
ust Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Herrera and this guy are both proud members of the Saskatchewan Roughriders family.
Didn’t the Broncos’s run the ZBS last year as well?
________________________________________________________
Nopez, the first thing McDaniels did was to scrap the ZBS, their pass game was okay, but their run game was very bad…
I dont understand this hire at all… some say he is mentoring Wis, well why hire a bad coach as mentor? the result will only be a bad apprentice…
January 31st, 2011 at 1:52 am
# confucius400 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:48 am
raider nation is a family,and every family has a father ,al davis is our father who art in oakland hallowed be his name!
——————————————————-
# raidersmith17 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:51 am
all hail al davis
_________________________________________________________
yup his al-nees has his worshipers, as all stupid religions has…
well, im not religious, but im a fan of sports, and a huge fan of the Raiders
January 31st, 2011 at 6:00 am
i wish we could watch you and mr. davis “talk it out” … you could tell him all of your ideas and point out the things he has done wrong. I’m sure you would get the better of that exchange… Mr. Davis has forgotten more about football than you will ever know.. he’s not perfect, but have some respect, little man.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:01 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Happy Monday to you all!
Wylie, huh? Shoot, I will have to agree with LMN on this one…I pary that our run offense doesn’t fall to the middle or further on this one…
January 31st, 2011 at 6:03 am
la milicia… you sometimes make some good posts and seem to be a fairly thoughtful dude… but, man, sometimes you just reek of that self-satisfied, superior air many of the tight jeaned europeans like to assume these days… trust me, I get plenty of it living in Shanghai. Kind of like you anyways..
January 31st, 2011 at 6:06 am
yeah… it is a little tough to get excited based on that resume…. seems like he couldnt manage to dig in any one job for an extended period of time… wonder why..
January 31st, 2011 at 6:12 am
Mornin’ Nation.
Man, I wish looks = talent because Wylie would be the best hire ever. Wylie looks like he should be an o-line coach:
http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2011/report-raiders-get-new-o-line-coach-after-he-passes-on-cfl/
January 31st, 2011 at 6:15 am
And for those of you fearing that Wylie means more ZBS, never fear.
Wylie was brought into Denver to help them transition from ZBS to power drive blocking:
http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14256207
It should go easier in Oakland because Denver had been a pure ZBS team for YEARS and that was all the linemen knew, whereas last year the Raiders ran a scheme with some drive blocking, so they’re more familiar with it.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:20 am
Denver had the 26th ranked rushing offense in the league last year. But they also had a ton of o-line injuries, Moreno was hobbled by injuries and was being backed up with useless guys like Lance Ball and Laurence Maroney and Josh McDaniels’s system was pass-first.
I really think Wylie could be a good hire. 30 years of coaching the big uglies along the line. Combined with Wiz as an assistant, this could be a hell of a line IF the pieces are filled out right.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:25 am
WYLIE COYOTE ?
January 31st, 2011 at 6:28 am
you know, it isn’t easy to be the best team when the league has 32 teams… mr. davis has his faults, but at some point you have to just except him for who he is.
He isn’t crazy; After all, His decisions have us currently in a fairly exciting and hopeful position as a team. Maybe I’m just a hopeless optimist, but I do try to check myself in that regard. I think we are really on to something if we can bring this team back together and log another solid draft. We are on the upswing; we’ll be able to pull free agents!! Another reason I thought it was smart to go with Hue… I just think he is going to give the organization a real boost in free agent recruitment. Really, that’s the most important thing we gained by finishing 8-8, with that 59 point game to boot…and several other flat out ass whoopins we dealt out… players can see this is a very talented team and you know mr. davis will write those checks if there’s anyway possible… If coach davis comes back to win another super bowl, will the media (and all the haters) suddenly proclaim him a football genius… after everything they said? Yup… and they will do it, just laughing off all the dirt they spilled on him as, “Oops, who woulda known?”
January 31st, 2011 at 6:32 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 6:25 am
WYLIE COYOTE ?
And, DMAC (Roadrunner)…Hmmm…
January 31st, 2011 at 6:37 am
GOOD MORNING HWNRDR.JUST HOPE AT THE END OF NEXT SEASON,THE RAIDERS ARE NOT THAT LITTLE PUFF OF SMOKE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CLIFF..
January 31st, 2011 at 6:38 am
Man, I’m excited about the shift to drive blocking.
Would love to see Al trade up for Mike Pouncey. Or, draft John Moffitt out of Wisconsin in the mid-rounds. That kid can move people.
I think Satele gets a bad rap around here. He’s thick and squat, so he anchors well. His downfield blocking ability is superb. If he could add a bit of pure strength in his upper body this offseason, I’d love to have him back.
If the Raiders could find a way to lure Tyson Clabo away from Atlanta, I might pass out. Prototypical right tackle.
A Veldheer-Moffitt-Satele-Campbell-Clabo offensive line could be some serious maulers.
I’m not sure Gallery should be back. It was the transition to a ZBS that saved his career; he was mostly a disaster as a drive blocker.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:52 am
LOL Dirt Lot…I know, right? As long as nothing comes in from Acme…
January 31st, 2011 at 7:00 am
Well, never heard of this Bob Wylie dude before, here’s what I could find about him:
- He’s coached OL in the NFL for a few years in Arizona, Tampa and Chicago, but that was way back in the late 90’s to 2004.
- He spent 3 years in the CFL making the Grey Cup 2 times, both losses.
- Obviously his latest job was last season in Denver, brought to replace the ZBS scheme, here’s what Josh McDaniels said at the time:
“Our running game and some of the things we’re going to do next year will definitely change,” Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said Saturday night.
Freshly promoted offensive line coach Clancy Barone and newly hired assistant offensive line coach Bob Wylie have been brought in to help transition the Broncos to more of a power running style.
“The teams that run the zone play, that’s predominantly what they do,” McDaniels said. “Because if you’re going to be good at that, you’re going to have to be good at that all the time. We’re not doing that. There will be some zone in there, but we’re not going to major in it.”
“We’re going to run some power, we’re going to run some inside zone”.
- During the offseason, Bob Wylie runs the largest Offensive Line coaching clinic around, this is Wylie speaking about last year’s event:
“The list of speakers was incredible. We had the offensive line coaches of the National Championship Team (Joe Pendry) & Super Bowl Champion (Aaron Kromer). Howard Mudd coach Offensive line for the AFC Champion and Super Bowl Participant Indianapolis Colt. Bill Callahan’s N.Y. Jets offense lead the National Football League in Rushing. Paul Alexander coached the Cincinnati Bengals Offense to an AFC Central Division Championship”.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:06 am
Seems like an experienced guy who obviously has connections with some of the top OL coaches around but it’s weird that he’s not a big name.
Maybe he’s more of a teacher than a coach and was brought in to help prepare Wisniewski for the job.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:26 am
good point
January 31st, 2011 at 7:26 am
# raidersmith17 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 6:03 am
la milicia… you sometimes make some good posts and seem to be a fairly thoughtful dude… but, man, sometimes you just reek of that self-satisfied, superior air many of the tight jeaned europeans like to assume these days… trust me, I get plenty of it living in Shanghai. Kind of like you anyways..
_________________________________________________________
where there is smoke there is fire…
btw, I once respected Al, no doubt about it, but once he drafted a kicker in the first round, it stalled and went hard to the ground…
respect is earned not rewarded, and its not static… as a chef know says, you are only as good as you last dish…
January 31st, 2011 at 7:33 am
Updated Raiders Mock Draft:
2nd round: Jurrell Casey, DT, USC. 6′1″, 305 pounds. Squatty, strong run stuffer with some ability to get after the QB
3rd round: John Moffitt, G, Wisconsin 6′4″, 314 pounds.
Big, powerful road grader type. Once he latches on, it’s game over.
4th round: Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida 6′6″, 329 pounds. Ideal right tackle of the future; spent most of his college career there, so learning a new position would not be a problem like many college left tackles who get switched to the right.
5th round: Pierre Allen, DE, Nebraska 6′4″, 273 pounds. Does everything good, but nothing brilliantly. Effective at sealing the edge against the run. Great backup for Houston and can fill in for Shaughnessy in a pinch.
6th round: Tori Gurley, WR, South Carolina 6′5″, 230 pounds. Amazing physical speciman, big target, ideal possession receiver. Hands of glue, did not have a drop the entire season.
7th round: Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama 6′2″, 222 pounds. Just broke his throwing hand during the Senior Bowl, so will probably fall. Accuracy, leadership and football smarts are all excellent. Arm is not a cannon, but I think it’s underrated. Can be prone to questionable decisions. A bit undersized for a QB.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:38 am
Who? Never heard of him….then again, I had never heard of Cable either. I knew who Slater and Eatman where and they turned out to be pretty bad.
Hoe this guy can convince them to get some new blood in there.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:39 am
***hope*** not Hoe
lol
January 31st, 2011 at 7:41 am
interesting:
http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/27/al-davis-michael-vick-tiger-woods-business-sports-most-disliked.html
January 31st, 2011 at 7:43 am
A face to the name….guy looks like he can relate to the players:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/Wylie_Bob_10.jpg
January 31st, 2011 at 7:47 am
# Bob Marley Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 7:06 am
Seems like an experienced guy who obviously has connections with some of the top OL coaches around but it’s weird that he’s not a big name.
Maybe he’s more of a teacher than a coach and was brought in to help prepare Wisniewski for the job.
________________________________________________________
hire a mediocre coach to mentor a great player, well then the apprentice cant be more than mediocre..
-”New York Jets (1990-91), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1992-95), Cincinnati Bengals (1997-98), Chicago Bears (1999-2003) and Arizona Cardinals (2004)”-
NYJ 90 6-10
NYJ 91 8-8
TBB 92 5-11
TBB 93 5-11
TBB 94 6-10
TBB 95 7-9
CIN 97 7-9
CIN 98 3-13
CHI 99 4-12
CHI 00 5-11
CHI 01 13-3
CHI 02 4-12
CHI 03 7-9
ARI 04 6-10
DEN 10 4-12
FIFTEEN NFL seasons, ONE playoff trip, TWO winning seasons.. NINETY losses in 240 GAMES!!!!
and the Al worshipers say they have a good feeling about this guy???
January 31st, 2011 at 7:50 am
# SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 6:20 am
Denver had the 26th ranked rushing offense in the league last year. But they also had a ton of o-line injuries, Moreno was hobbled by injuries and was being backed up with useless guys like Lance Ball and Laurence Maroney and Josh McDaniels’s system was pass-first.
I really think Wylie could be a good hire. 30 years of coaching the big uglies along the line. Combined with Wiz as an assistant, this could be a hell of a line IF the pieces are filled out right.
______________________________________________________
good riddance… based on what? that Al hired him? then he is suddenly great?
same thing with saunders, when he was a Chief all here laughed at him, no that he is in SnB then hhe is great…
I dont get it, it doesnt compute…
January 31st, 2011 at 7:52 am
Eagles weren’t completely sold on Vick apparently and his flop to end the season.
Stick a franchise on him, so they can buy one year of time to look if they want to give him a long term deal or not.
Good move on their part.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:55 am
# Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 7:43 am
A face to the name….guy looks like he can relate to the players:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/Wylie_Bob_10.jpg
_______________________________________________________
he looks like colorado guy (denver) all he needs is a whiskey bottle and a barrel around his waist…
January 31st, 2011 at 8:01 am
Bob Wylie = OL Coach
Chuck Bresnahan = LB Coach
Celtics & Heat mopped the floor with the Lakers & Thunder …
Great Weekend!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:05 am
Wylie comes from Dungver. Is he a ZBS guy?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:09 am
Go Meltics!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:12 am
Lakers are just playing possum right now.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:14 am
I am curious to even how we ran across this Wylie character.
Was it Herrera’s contacts with the RoughRiders?
Hue has never coached with him.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:15 am
Pro Bowl Raiders:
Nnamdi faked an injury. Seymour actually WAS hurt and didn’t make the trip. Zach Miller was held without a catch and Shane Lechler had 1 punt for 36 yards
way to represent Oakland !!!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:16 am
wow, the much bigger story here is getting Bresnahan to coach our LB’s. He was being talked about as a DC candidate, so securing him as the LB coach is a real coup.
I don’t know who is putting it together, but this is looking like a real good staff so far.
Hue, Saunders, Fassell, Wisniewski, Biekert, Bresnahan, Waufle, Washington
January 31st, 2011 at 8:19 am
A sign that the Raiders are moving away from Zone Blocking, which IMO is a good thing.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:19 am
If Chuck B is the LB coach, that what happens to Biekert?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:22 am
I don’t know who is putting it together, but this is looking like a real good staff so far.
Hue, Saunders, Fassell, Wisniewski, Biekert, Bresnahan, Waufle, Washington
***
BBB,
no love for Kelly Skipper, Adam Henry, Sanjay Lal, Kevin Ross or Brad Roll ???
January 31st, 2011 at 8:23 am
I have never read such stupid comments.
This is a “FOTBALL STORY” & most of you turned it into a racial thing.
To the people that stuck to what the comments were suppposed to be about, thanks.
To the other ones, get a freaking life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:23 am
If Chuck B is the LB coach, that what happens to Biekert?
***
he stays on as ASST LB COACH, like he was to Mike Haluchak last year.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:24 am
Dallan46 = white trash honky, obviously
January 31st, 2011 at 8:25 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 7:43 am
A face to the name….guy looks like he can relate to the players:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/Wylie_Bob_10.jpg
———————–
He looks like a Wylie…. untrammeled white citizen of Alabama, who lives in the hills, has no means to speak of, dresses as he can, talks as he pleases, drinks whiskey when he gets it, and fires off his revolver as the fancy takes him.”
January 31st, 2011 at 8:29 am
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/Wylie_Bob_10.jpg
***
Dad !!!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:31 am
RR, try reading the posts above you to answer your own question.
Negra, poor guy has ONE winning season in his career?!?!
Haha, looks like a Jason Campbell resume
(too easy!!)
January 31st, 2011 at 8:32 am
And RR, you’re impressed we have a handful of ex-players with zero coaching experience coaching our team during their best window of opportunity??
I’d rather have some legit proven coaches, but I guess that makes me weird.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:34 am
So if they add 2 more games to the season, I wonder which two extra teams we will play.
They should do like baseball, and have a rivalry/interleague type thing, so every year the Raiders play the 49ers, the Jets and Giants, Rams-Chiefs, and so on for those areas with two teams in proximity.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:34 am
try reading the posts above you to answer your own question
***
Alex,
which question?
btw, it’s much easier to ask a simple question than to read 200+ comments and assume that somebody has already addressed it (accurately, at that!)
January 31st, 2011 at 8:35 am
So if they add 2 more games to the season, I wonder which two extra teams we will play.
***
probably Green Bay & Pittsburgh
January 31st, 2011 at 8:37 am
RR, you’re impressed we have a handful of ex-players with zero coaching experience coaching our team during their best window of opportunity??
***
did I say that?
Asking Triple B a question does not mean I like those guys … it’s asking if HE DOES (hence the question format)
you’re reading way too much into things man
January 31st, 2011 at 8:40 am
Skipper and Henry should get some props, but no love for Lal and Roll.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:40 am
Why did Manning & Brees only have a COMBINED 11 pass attempts yesterday?
those were the best 2 QB’s at the friggin Pro Bowl!
Rivers & Cassel = 4 INT’s
LOL! Surprised the AFC Squad only lost by 2 TD’s
January 31st, 2011 at 8:40 am
# Davy Jones Says:
January 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
I see a lot of Gruden in Hue Jackson, in fact.
…………
So do I. But one thing being demonstrated thus far is that Jackson is much more of an ass kisser, and that doesn’t bode well for Jackson’s chances at succeeding here. Those who clash with Al seem to get the best results. Gruden, Kiffin (improved the team 100% in his first year), and Cable (5-11 to 8-8).
I might be kinda late here, but anyone who think Lame Kiffin improved this team is on some serious drugs. If Al would have let Kiffin do what he wanted, he would have dug the raider into a dipper hole just like McDaniels did to the Broncos.
Lame had no experience coaching and should have listen to “Coach Al more” Gruden listen and handle it ina smart way. He took what Al said into account as well as putting some of his own things in. Cable was in over his head from get go. I like him, but like Al said, until Hue Jackson came, the offense was the worse in the league. even the running game was horrible.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:49 am
If Cable didn’t talk to his owner, or most of his assistant coaches last year, then what did he do all week?
Did he just show up to the facility on Sunday morning before the game after a week of late night shenanigans with Shane Lechler and Jano?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:50 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 8:05 am
Wylie comes from Dungver. Is he a ZBS guy?
_______________________________________________________
NO! since they fired Shanhan, they havent been a ZBS team… as I said before Wylie was hired by McDaniels to ruin their ZBS ways…
btw, 90 won games of 240 possible, we have a winner in Wylie..LOL
welcome back to mediocrity.. 2011 = 6-10
January 31st, 2011 at 8:52 am
Dakota,
isn’t that about all that Davis authorizes his head coach to do? Nothing?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:53 am
Reece is p!$$ed, he didn’t make the probowl!
Did you get that RR?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:54 am
Gruden was with the Packers (WR Coach) from 1992-1994 and the Eagles (OC) from 1995-1997.
thats what earned him a job as Raiders HC
Jackson has been with 4 NFL teams prior to joining Oakland, 2 of which he served as OC for … yet Al Davis is the only one knocking on his door for the HC job
I don’t see the comparison.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:55 am
I think that a position coach can do a lot for you (see Mike Waufle). But to act like hiring Wylie will bring the Raiders back to mediocrity? Just as short sighted as to claim that we’d be winning if he coached for all winning teams. This isn’t make or break here, he’s a POSITION coach. Save your complaints for the D coordinator hire.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:56 am
welcome back to mediocrity.. 2011 = 6-10
***
LMN,
you’re being generous
I said we’d go 4-12 in 2011 under Hue Jax!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:58 am
Vince Young available by trade.
Great winning record, throws the ball downfield better than JC, fewer turnovers, fewer sacks, better TD to INT ratio, younger…
And Al loved him coming out of Texas. A definite upgrade can be had for perhaps a 4th round pick.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:59 am
2011 = 9-7
Print that!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:00 am
Reece is p!$$ed, he didn’t make the probowl!
Did you get that RR?
***
ray,
nope – I haven’t been on twitter since the Laker/Celtics game ended
thought it was funny though people giving Reece a bad time being from L.A. and a Boston Celtics fan
January 31st, 2011 at 9:00 am
VY = Lazy and dumb.
No thanks
January 31st, 2011 at 9:00 am
x-x Jackson 2011
8-8 Cable 2010
5-11 Cable 2009
5-11 Cable,Kiffin 2008
4-12 Kiffin 2007
2-14 Shell 2006
4-12 Turner 2005
5-11 Turner 2004
4-12 Callahan 2003
11-5 Callahan 2002
10-6 Gruden 2001
12-4 Gruden 2000
8-8 Gruden 1999
8-8 Gruden 1998
4-12 Bugel 1997
January 31st, 2011 at 9:01 am
RR,
why would others be knocking down his door when everyone knew it was implied he’d be the head coach here soon enough?
The Niners interviewed him for Rooney reasons, the rest of the NFL knew he was our next head coach.
Same reason Mr. Butler of Pittsburgh isn’t getting interviews for a D-coordinator position elsewhere. Everyone knows it’s implied he’ll replace LeBeau when he retires.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:02 am
Vince Young available by trade.
***
LOL @ Alex!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:03 am
Dakota,
just to be clear,
a guy who is BETTER at everything you ask a QB to do, than our current guy, you would pass on because he’s “dumb” even though he was smart enough to be a top-10 ranked passer last year before injuries / Fisher drama ended his year?
I mean, if a guy twice as good is dumb, what is our guy?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:03 am
Coaching staff starting to look very decent…could be pretty good…
We need Perry or Moss to cap it off..
January 31st, 2011 at 9:05 am
Honestly, the insane support here for JC is worse than those who preferred Bruce.
The gap between a guy like Palmer or VY and Jason Campbell is MUCH wider than the gap between JC and Bruce.
JC was benched or horrible in HALF of our games last year. What other starting QB can you say that about?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:05 am
I wish this stupid super bowl would be over with already, so we can hire us a DC. Not looking forward to an entire week of ESPN kissing Steeler and Packer a$$, talking about them being the most historic franchises in NFL history, etc.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:07 am
why would others be knocking down his door when everyone knew it was implied he’d be the head coach here soon enough?
***
LOL!
did the A.M. crew order a punching bag ???
January 31st, 2011 at 9:07 am
JC 2010 12 TDs 8 Int (cupcake sched. + DMac)
and as a bonus he turns the ball over more than 2/3rds of the league’s QB.
Jamarcus 2008 12 TDs 8 Int
Yeah, NO WAY we could have better QBs in the NFL available to us. NO WAY!!!
JC is soooo awesome! You kids.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:10 am
Alex,
Yes, just to be clear I do not want a guy that has worse career numbers than our already mediocre QB Jason Campbell, plus work ethic and attitude problems. Just what we need, a QB who is worse than our current QB both on AND off the field.
No thanks.
Campbell
60.8 comp %, 6.7 yards per comp, 68 TDs, 46 ints, 82.6 passer rating
VY
57.9 comp %, 6.8 yards per comp, 42 TDs, 42 ints, 75.7 passer rating
Campbell isn’t a long-term solution, but VY certainly isn’t the answer.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:14 am
Complete states, not just the ones needed to batch the current QB.
2010 Campbell
2,387 yards 13 TDs, 8 INTs
Games Started- 12
pct-59.0
QB Rating 84.5
Yards per attempt 7.26
Sacked 33
Fumbles lost- 1
Rushing- 222 yards 1 td and 13 first downs
Record 7-5
JaMarcus in 2008
2,423 yards 13TDs, 8 INTs”
Games Started-15
pct 53.8
QB rating 77.1
Yards per attempt- 6.58
Sacked-31
Fumbles lost-12
Rushing-127 yards 1 td and 11 first downs.
Record 4-11
January 31st, 2011 at 9:16 am
x-x Campbell?
8-8 Campbell
5-11 Russell
5-11 Russell
4-12 Culpepper
2-14 Walter
4-12 Collins
5-11 Collins
4-12 Gannon
11-5 Gannon
10-6 Gannon
12-4 Gannon
8-8 Gannon
8-8 Hollas
4-12 George
January 31st, 2011 at 9:17 am
Alex,
Jason Campbell is in the last year of his contract due $4.5 million – 8 wins last year
Vince Young is in the last year of his contract due $8.5 million plus $4.25 million roster bonus in March – 6 wins last year
guy punches dudes, disappears and threatens to commit suicide in the offseason and is benched for 38 year old Kerry Collins how many times since 2006?
you’re done
January 31st, 2011 at 9:17 am
Better the devil you know….
January 31st, 2011 at 9:19 am
This stat is huge.
Campbell
Sacked 33
Fumbles lost- 1
Russell
Sacked-31
Fumbles lost-12
January 31st, 2011 at 9:20 am
Oh Dakota,
you can’t possibly not understand what an upward arc in a career is.
Jason has flatlined, putting in his worst season as a pro last year, and never showing much progress in Washington.
Young has gotten better the last three years, SUBSTANTIALLY with his 98 rating last year (something JC will never even approach), a great 10-3 TD to INT ratio in half a season, making a Pro-bowl-caliber talent out of Kenny Britt, and WINNING games.
RIGHT NOW he is much better than JC ever has been. Why would you hold what he did 4 years ago (struggled) against him, and ignore that right now he’s an upgrade who wins?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:21 am
nope – I haven’t been on twitter since the Laker/Celtics game ended
thought it was funny though people giving Reece a bad time being from L.A. and a Boston Celtics fan
———————–
Interestingly enough, lots of Laker-Haters in LA. Some people just have to be contrarians.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:22 am
5-11 Russell
5-11 Russell
4-12 Culpepper
2-14 Walter
***
BBB,
Josh McCown?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:22 am
RR,
I see why you struggle with logic. You’re giving JC the win against St.Louis. Too lazy to look up or remember that he was benched and was losing when he came out.
With Young, the Titans started out 5-2 and kinda dominated your boy JC.
After benching him, the Titans went 1-5 and coach lost his job.
Are you for winning, or not?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:22 am
Russell’s toughness in the pocket had to be the most disappointing aspect of his performance. I thought we had the next Big Ben, but JaMarcus was softer than bath tissue. Even with all that extra weight he carried, he was still so easy to bring down. Problem was he had skinny legs, all his weight was in the upper body.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:23 am
LA to TheBay Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:19 am
This stat is huge.
Campbell
Sacked 33
Fumbles lost- 1
Russell
Sacked-31
Fumbles lost-12
Sorry about that, but it was 7 fumbles lost for Russell, not 12.
I do remember that all the Dline had to do was breath on the ball and he would fumble.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am
JC 27-39 lifetime record, no playoffs
VY 32-18 + playoff appearance
I thought you tough guys were all about winning.
Suddenly you want your QBs to be polite and look pretty.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:25 am
I am just listing the leading passer from each year. Despite McCown starting more games, apparently Culpepper had the better numbers.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:25 am
Do I have to post Campbell’s stats from the last 5 games of the season again? Fine.
90 for 139, 1065 yards, 6 TD, 2 INTs.
That’s a 96.4 QB rating, a 64.7 completion percentage and 7.7 yards/attempt.
In each of the last 5 games he threw 1 TD and both INTs came in the same game. That’s 4 games without an INT.
In not one of those did he have a dismal performance like against San Francisco. Those disappeared after the Pittsburgh game. I don’t know why he turned it around. Maybe he finally got comfortable with HueJax’s system.
What it boils down to is this: with Jackson and his offense returning, Campbell is CLEARLY the best realistic option to the lead the offense and build upon the strong finish to this past season.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 8:15 am
Pro Bowl Raiders:
Nnamdi faked an injury. Seymour actually WAS hurt and didn’t make the trip. Zach Miller was held without a catch and Shane Lechler had 1 punt for 36 yards
way to represent Oakland !!!
————————–
In fairness to Nnamdi, why would he want to be a part of that garbage non-game?
Also, Zack was playing hard(er) and blocking downfield. Had Cassell throwing to (near) him and Cassell made him look bad.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:26 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:20 am
Oh Dakota,
you can’t possibly not understand what an upward arc in a career is.
________________
You must be brain dead if you think a guy that has repeatedly been benched for failures as a leader and who’s franchise is looking to trade or cut him is somehow on the uptick. lmao
January 31st, 2011 at 9:26 am
216.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 8:54 am
Gruden was with the Packers (WR Coach) from 1992-1994 and the Eagles (OC) from 1995-1997.
thats what earned him a job as Raiders HC
Jackson has been with 4 NFL teams prior to joining Oakland, 2 of which he served as OC for … yet Al Davis is the only one knocking on his door for the HC job
I don’t see the comparison.
……
You don’t?
Gruden’s best year as Philadelphia OC:
NFL Rank: 4th Ttl Yrds: 5627 Ttl Points: 363
Hue Jackson as OC of Oakland:
NFL Rank: 10th Ttl Yrds: 5673 Ttl Points: 410
I’d say that’s pretty comparable. There are mitigating factors, of course- the new NFL rules favor offense, and Gruden had two years (1996-1997)of the eagles as a top ten offense, whereas Jackson only has one.
On the other hand, Gruden took two years to get there-his first offense for the eagles regressed from 14th overall the previous year to 25th. Hue Jackson also should get some credit for his work with Joe Flacco in Baltimore.
Also,as I keep pointing out, a lot should be made of Hue Jackson DOING IT IN OAKLAND. I don’t agree with all of the Davis bashing, but I won’t deny that he’s helped make Oakland a difficult place to coach. Lots of coaches have had success elsewhere but have come to Oakland and failed. Jackson has already shown that he can succeed in Oakland.
Whether or not he kisses Al’s ass, I bet he puts points on the board in 2011.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:27 am
Young has gotten better the last three years, SUBSTANTIALLY with his 98 rating last year (something JC will never even approach), a great 10-3 TD to INT ratio in half a season, making a Pro-bowl-caliber talent out of Kenny Britt, and WINNING games.
***
Ummmm….
Britt is a football player, DHB isn’t
and Britt’s best game (250 yards and 3 TD’s) against Philly I think was with Kerry Collins at QB
please just stop
January 31st, 2011 at 9:27 am
JC fumbled 9 times last year. Who recovers it is a crapshoot.
Look how far you have to go to try and make JC look AVERAGE and slightly better than Russell, despite JC being 29 and given a top running game.
All some of us acknowledge is there is room for improvement, and no position is more important.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:27 am
Jason Campbell is in the last year of his contract due $4.5 million – 8 wins last year
Vince Young is in the last year of his contract due $8.5 million plus $4.25 million roster bonus in March – 6 wins last year
guy punches dudes, disappears and threatens to commit suicide in the offseason and is benched for 38 year old Kerry Collins how many times since 2006?
+++++++++++
Excellent summation. Plus, he’s deluded enough to think he’s an “elite” QB. LOL.
Young is a great guy to have when life is all wine and roses. When things get tough however, he’s a complete disaster.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:28 am
NYJ 90 6-10
NYJ 91 8-8
TBB 92 5-11
TBB 93 5-11
TBB 94 6-10
TBB 95 7-9
CIN 97 7-9
CIN 98 3-13
CHI 99 4-12
CHI 00 5-11
CHI 01 13-3
CHI 02 4-12
CHI 03 7-9
ARI 04 6-10
DEN 10 4-12
FIFTEEN NFL seasons, ONE playoff trip, TWO winning seasons.. NINETY losses in 240 GAMES!!!!
and the Al worshipers say they have a good feeling about this guy???
————————-
Um, OK, but how did the O Lines play?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:28 am
BART Bridge Blues Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:22 am
Russell’s toughness in the pocket had to be the most disappointing aspect of his performance. I thought we had the next Big Ben, but JaMarcus was softer than bath tissue. Even with all that extra weight he carried, he was still so easy to bring down. Problem was he had skinny legs, all his weight was in the upper body.
—————————-
He was softer than J-E-L-L-O…try to find something softer than that!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:28 am
lol Dakota,
“You must be brain dead if you think a guy that has repeatedly been benched for failures as a leader…”
You just described Jason Campbell!!!!
Except for the whole…
JC 27-39 lifetime record, no playoffs
VY 32-18 + playoff appearance
Again, isn’t it all about winning?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:29 am
He was softer than J-E-L-L-O…
++++++++++
And that was just his midsection!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:29 am
244.alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am
JC 27-39 lifetime record, no playoffs
VY 32-18 + playoff appearance
I thought you tough guys were all about winning.
Suddenly you want your QBs to be polite and look pretty.
++++++++++++++
lol, yeah, like you can compare records when one guy plays for a well coached, good team in Tenn and the other guy plays in dysfunction junction East Cost in Washington.
Fact of the matter is Campbell put up better numbers in a worse situation than Vince Young.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:31 am
You guys sound like dog-competition fans or something.
Guy wins, is a bit crazy, is cocky, doesn’t want to be benched for Collins (team went 1-5 after that) puts up better numbers than our QB, and suddenly he’s NOT a perfectly-described Raider?
When did winning and losing take a backseat to being nice?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:31 am
Vince Young has talent but is a head case.
Maybe tolerable if he’s a WR. QB?
No way.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:32 am
When did winning and losing take a backseat to being nice?
+++++++++++
When the QB is an arrogant, entitled, mentally unstable crybaby who helped tear apart a locker room and ruin the most stable coaching regime in the NFL.
Pass.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:33 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:20 am
Oh Dakota,
you can’t possibly not understand what an upward arc in a career is.
Jason has flatlined, putting in his worst season as a pro last year, and never showing much progress in Washington.
Young has gotten better the last three years, SUBSTANTIALLY with his 98 rating last year (something JC will never even approach), a great 10-3 TD to INT ratio in half a season, making a Pro-bowl-caliber talent out of Kenny Britt, and WINNING games.
RIGHT NOW he is much better than JC ever has been. Why would you hold what he did 4 years ago (struggled) against him, and ignore that right now he’s an upgrade who wins?
————————–
So the fact that JC had his worst season as a pro has zero to do with come from the east coast to the west coast new coach, new system, no vet WRs, a team that was dead last in offense two years in a row. Get real dude! Jason is slighllt above average, he is not manning, brees or Brady. Sory those guys are taken.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am
Reece’s new name…CelBlock45!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:28 am
lol Dakota,
“You must be brain dead if you think a guy that has repeatedly been benched for failures as a leader…”
You just described Jason Campbell!!!!
Except for the whole…
JC 27-39 lifetime record, no playoffs
VY 32-18 + playoff appearance
Again, isn’t it all about winning?
——————-
It’s amazing how one minute were talking states and the next we’re talking win loss.
When was the last time a Raider QB was 7 and 5?????
January 31st, 2011 at 9:35 am
Dakota, the heck??
How is 12 TDs, 8 Int, 33 sacks, 84 rating, and career losing record…
BETTER
than 10 TDs, 3 Int, 13 sacks, 98 rating, fewer fumbles and career winning record?
Bizarre world you live in.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:36 am
exactly McRaider,
VY outperforms JC in stats AND winning
yet because VY gets pissed at being benched (and team goes 1-5 afterwards proving him right)
and JC is all polite when getting benched…
fans want the worse QB and loser instead. Sad what losing has done to fans.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:38 am
Alex,
Campbell’s starting.
There are no better QBs available in free agency, unless you count VY, who Al will not sign.
We don’t have a 1st rounder, making a trade unlikely.
I think you’ll have to accept that JC is the guy in 2011.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:38 am
You can’t overemphasize enough how bad JC was against non-AFC-west teams.
1-5!!! Yikes. And that was WITH the weakest schedule we’ll see here in our lifetime.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:38 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:27 am
JC fumbled 9 times last year. Who recovers it is a crapshoot.
Look how far you have to go to try and make JC look AVERAGE and slightly better than Russell, despite JC being 29 and given a top running game.
All some of us acknowledge is there is room for improvement, and no position is more important.
—————-
JC recovered 5 of his 9 fumbles.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:38 am
Alex,
VY is due to make $8 million MORE than Jason Campbell, who already has a year with Hue Jackson and his teammates
If you think we should pay over $12.5 million for a headcase in the last year of his contract and dump JCamp, then you’re clearly aiming for a Top 3 draft choice in 2012 … in which case Hue Jackson would be fired and we’d probably try for a Stanford combo of David Shaw & Andrew Luck
January 31st, 2011 at 9:39 am
269.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:38 am
Alex,
VY is due to make $8 million MORE than Jason Campbell, who already has a year with Hue Jackson and his teammates
If you think we should pay over $12.5 million for a headcase in the last year of his contract and dump JCamp, then you’re clearly aiming for a Top 3 draft choice in 2012 … in which case Hue Jackson would be fired and we’d probably try for a Stanford combo of David Shaw & Andrew Luck
++++++++++++++++++++++
Well when you put it like that, maybe it’s not such a bad idea
Tank for Luck!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:41 am
Of course LA, I accept that.
What a good organization will do though, is look for the real long-term answer ASAP.
What I don’t accept is fans settling for the 19th-best QB when we had a weak schedule and the #2 run game.
EVERY single playoff team this year except the Seahawks (for obvious reasons) had a star QB or a young up-and-comer.
We have neither. You do WHATEVER you have to do to get one.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:41 am
264.alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:35 am
Dakota, the heck??
How is 12 TDs, 8 Int, 33 sacks, 84 rating, and career losing record…
BETTER
than 10 TDs, 3 Int, 13 sacks, 98 rating, fewer fumbles and career winning record?
Bizarre world you live in.
++++++++++++++++++
What a delusional world you live in. You only want to look at a sliver of the stats, lol. Here are the real stats:
Campbell
60.8 comp %, 6.7 yards per comp, 68 TDs, 46 ints, 82.6 passer rating
VY
57.9 comp %, 6.8 yards per comp, 42 TDs, 42 ints, 75.7 passer rating
But hey, if you want to take a micro view, maybe we should sign Rob Johnson too….he had one or two good games once also!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:41 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:36 am
exactly McRaider,
VY outperforms JC in stats AND winning
yet because VY gets pissed at being benched (and team goes 1-5 afterwards proving him right)
and JC is all polite when getting benched…
fans want the worse QB and loser instead. Sad what losing has done to fans.
——————–
I really don’t have an issue with VY, but if he comes here and goes 8-8 pr 7-9, you going to blame it all on him instead of spreading that blame more evenly accross the board.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:41 am
Come on RR,
you’ve never heard of re-structuring a contract? Really?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:43 am
McRaider,
a team can only control what players and coaches they put out there.
We can’t control how the ball bounces or that we aren’t better than the Patriots, Jets, Packers, Bears, Vikings, Texans, and Dolphins (all which we play next year).
As long as the owner is trying to upgrade the talent at key positions every year, that’s all you can really ask for.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:45 am
271.alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:41 am
Of course LA, I accept that.
What a good organization will do though, is look for the real long-term answer ASAP.
What I don’t accept is fans settling for the 19th-best QB when we had a weak schedule and the #2 run game.
EVERY single playoff team this year except the Seahawks (for obvious reasons) had a star QB or a young up-and-comer.
We have neither. You do WHATEVER you have to do to get one.
++++++++++++
And you think Vince Young is that guy?
ROTFLMAO
January 31st, 2011 at 9:46 am
274.alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:41 am
Come on RR,
you’ve never heard of re-structuring a contract? Really?
++++++++++++++
Yeah, because Young is totally the kind of guy who’ll take less dough
January 31st, 2011 at 9:46 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:43 am
McRaider,
a team can only control what players and coaches they put out there.
We can’t control how the ball bounces or that we aren’t better than the Patriots, Jets, Packers, Bears, Vikings, Texans, and Dolphins (all which we play next year).
As long as the owner is trying to upgrade the talent at key positions every year, that’s all you can really ask for.
—————-
if that’s true that why are you blaming everything on JC? I can recall at least 3 of the 8 losses being a result of horrible coaching.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:46 am
Jason Campbell is not the long term answer, but I think Vince Young would be a straight up disaster for this franchise. Alex you are completely ignoring the off field (and on for some of his garbage) issues that surround Vince Young, and the affect that would have on a VERY young football team, that already has accountability issues. I would take a look at Palmer or Orton or even Kolb if he could be pried away. Chad Henne is another guy with some upside that could probably be had, I know Miami is fed up with him, all these guys would NOT be giant distractions like VY. I have no use for this guy.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:47 am
Yes Dakota,
I want to look at the now, not at how good or bad a player was 4 years ago.
Crazy, huh.
Campbell was the NFL’s WORST at dumping passes off (lowest avg. distance on passes in entire league). He had guys like Reece and DMac take those dump-offs to the house and help his completion and ypc stats.
I’ll take the guy that wins, throws fewer picks, gets sacked less, AND throws to his receivers more.
Today.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:50 am
Bcz,
I would take all those guys you mentioned ahead of VY as well.
I would then take VY ahead of JC for the simple fact that we are trying to win here, not be the most polite team.
Again, we’re the Raiders. When did we decide being on great behavior trumped winning? I LOVE that Young was pissed at being benched. That’s the mentality I WANT in my QB.
And he was right. Team was a playoff team with him, 1-5 with Collins.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:50 am
Young has played in 24 games the past 3 seasons (which is cause for concern itself, but another discussion)
In those 24 games, he’s attempted 451 passes. That’s an average of 18.8 pass attempts per game. He has exactly 1 300 yard game in that 24 game span. Not once in 2010 did he even clear 200 yards.
Know what those numbers tell me in comparison? Young plays in an offense that protects him in the extreme because his coaches damn well know he’s not a very good quarterback.
When the Titans win, they win because of Chris Johnson and dominant play on both the offensive and defensive lines. Not because of Vince Young.
People like to criticize JC as nothing more than a “game manager”….well, guess what? So is Young.
And by contrast, in Campbell’s last 24 games, he’s attempted 689 passes, an average of 28.7 per game. He’s thrown for 300 yards 3 times in that same span. His coaches clearly don’t mind putting the ball in his hands, despite his occassional disastrous performance.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:52 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:47 am
Yes Dakota,
I want to look at the now, not at how good or bad a player was 4 years ago.
++++++++++++++
Lol, what?
Okay, 2009:
Campbell 64.5 20Tds-15 ints, 86.4 passer rating
Young 58.7, 10-6, 82.8
2008:
Campbell 62.3, 13-6, 84.3
Young….one start
lmao
Go Vince Young! LMAO
January 31st, 2011 at 9:52 am
Campbell was the NFL’s WORST at dumping passes off (lowest avg. distance on passes in entire league).
+++++++++++++++
Now you’re just flat out lying. Campbell had a 7.3 yards/attempt this year. That’s pretty standard.
The worst in the NFL for guys who played at least 13 games were rookies Jimmy Clausen (5.2) and Sam Bradford (6.0)
January 31st, 2011 at 9:53 am
After the Jamarcus Russell fiasco, to bring in a guy that has mental issues and leadership issues in Vince Young?
That is just too funny. Pure ignorance.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:54 am
SilverNBlack,
I have to totally agree with you on that.
VY and JC are both game-managers.
One has managed a 32-18 record,
the other a 27-39 record.
The one with the winning record also has a higher TD %, lower INT %, fewer sacks, fewer fumbles, and throws to his WRs more often.
So VY is the better game-manager than JC. Done.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:55 am
Alex, you keep complain about ho JC dumps off passes to his backs and how he doesn’t complete a lot of passes down field, but in the same breath, you talk about bringin in VY. Why don’t you go back and look at some of VY stats. Look at how many times he passes for less than 175 yards and how many times he dumbed pass off the RBs????
January 31st, 2011 at 9:57 am
286.alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:54 am
SilverNBlack,
I have to totally agree with you on that.
VY and JC are both game-managers.
One has managed a 32-18 record,
the other a 27-39 record.
The one with the winning record also has a higher TD %, lower INT %, fewer sacks, fewer fumbles, and throws to his WRs more often.
So VY is the better game-manager than JC. Done.
+++++++++
So we can look at career winning %, but not career stats? LMAO
January 31st, 2011 at 9:57 am
SnB,
your stat and mine are two different stats.
Yards per completion involves giving the QB credit for whatever DMac or Reece did with the ball AFTER catching it.
The stat I pointed out (yards traveled by pass) shows who is throwing the ball down the field, and who is simply dumping it off.
JC was the WORST at simply dumping the ball off. Great when DMac takes it to the house. Not so great when it’s 3rd and 9 and you quickly throw the 4-yard out against the Steelers or Colts, instead of giving someone a chance downfield.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:58 am
Alex,
So we agree they’re both game managers. Good.
One of them has played in HueJax’s offensive system for a year and got pretty damn good at executing it in his last several games of the season and is respected by teammates, coaches and the owner.
The other doesn’t know Jackson’s system, got himself benched and alienated his teammates, coaches and owner with his ego and immaturity.
One has a losing record because of dealing with playing in Washington, which is basically Oakland on the Potomac when it comes to franchise dysfunction. The other plays in Tennessee, which had stable coaching until he came in and wrecked it.
Who do you want again?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:59 am
Dakota???
You care about career stats more than career wins?
In your world, you take Jeff George over Ben Roethlisberger.
Nice one.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:59 am
Well, my lunch is over. Time to work for a living.
In summation: I don’t think JC is the guy to take the reins and be “the guy” the next 5-7 years. But he’s a hell of a lot better than the other options out there, ESPECIALLY Vince Young.
Peace out for now, fellas.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:01 am
SnB,
we’re getting closer.
Mythbuster #1: Washington was bad when Campbell was there.
Truth: Washington made the playoffs twice in JC’s 5 years there, both times AFTER JC ceased to be the starter and the backup went on a win streak.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:02 am
291.alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:59 am
Dakota???
You care about career stats more than career wins?
In your world, you take Jeff George over Ben Roethlisberger.
Nice one.
++++++++++++++++
Just pointing out your hypocrisy.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:02 am
you’ve never heard of re-structuring a contract? Really?
***
Yeah. take less to play for the Raiders?
usually that makes guys double their asking price.
He probably will wait for the Titans to cut him so that he can latch of with a team that is just a QB away from competing in January (on paper) like the Vikings
January 31st, 2011 at 10:03 am
Did VY take the Titans to the playoffs at all? They didnt make it the last 2 years and they were 13-3 the year prior under Kerry Collins.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:03 am
You want to talk about VY stats, how is this for you???
15 starts
9 tds
17 ints
only 2546 yards (6.66 yards per Att)
71.1 rating
This was in 2007. Is that that year he made to the playoffs??
I wonder if his supporting cast had anything to do with that?
January 31st, 2011 at 10:04 am
Mythbuster #2: Campbell played well the second half of 2010.
Truth: Campbell down the stretch
Pitt 35, Oak 3, Campbell: 7-19, 70 yards, 3 turnovers
Next week: benched
Oak 28, SD 13, 10-16, 117, 1 TD
Jax 38, Oak 31, 21-30, 324, 2 TDs
Oak 39, Den 23, 15-26, 238, 1 TD, 2 INTs
Ind 31, Oak 26, 29-42, 232, 1 TD
Oak 31, KC 10, 15-25, 155, 1TD
Nothing really masterful there, and 0-3 outside AFC west with playoffs on the line.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:05 am
And Campbell vs the Colts was HORRIBLE. Stat-padded in the 4th down two scores when Hue called 18 passes in final 20 plays against soft D.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:07 am
McRaider,
why do you ignore last year, which is the most relevant one when predicting next year’s success?
Should we bring up Jason’s horrible rookie year stats? What’s the point?
Last year, VY was MUCH better than JC. He’s also younger and less turnover prone, and wins MUCH more often. It’s kinda simple. Winning is good. VY does it, JC doesn’t.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:07 am
Vince Young will play for the Bills, Browns, Panthers or Cardinals next year …
Print That!
January 31st, 2011 at 10:10 am
Morning peoples!!
January 31st, 2011 at 10:10 am
Young became suicidal after lame-ass Titan fans booed him…can you imagine who he would feel when the Oakland fans got ahold of him?
night club fights
missed team meetings
suicidal and depressed
fit throwing at games
Yeah, this is really the guy we want as our future QB.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:12 am
I cant believe MeAngelo Hall was the Pro Bowl MVP. Ughhh… makes me wanna vom
January 31st, 2011 at 10:12 am
Knowing Al Davis & the Raiders … They will trade our 2011 2nd rounder to the Titans for Vince Young, pay him the $12.75 million for a 1-year trial and Hue Jackson will bench him 3 times in favor of Bruce Gradkowski. Then neither QB will be retained in 2012
January 31st, 2011 at 10:13 am
poor RR, you show your ignorance more and more with each post.
The Bills have Ryan Fitzpatrick, who threw for 23 TDs last year, more than JC ever has.
Ryan threw for 4 TDs and 380 yards on the Ravens.
The Browns have Colt McCoy, a rookie, who will have a chance again next season to continue starting.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:15 am
I cant believe MeAngelo Hall was the Pro Bowl MVP. Ughhh… makes me wanna vom
***
hate to say it, but Hall is a playmaker. He was for Atlanta and he is for Washington
the Al Davis defense isn’t for everybody!
January 31st, 2011 at 10:15 am
We get it Dakota,
you would rather have a polite QB that loses, over a cocky knucklehead that wins much more often than he loses.
In the realm of sports, I don’t find option 1 appealing.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:17 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 10:07 am
McRaider,
why do you ignore last year, which is the most relevant one when predicting next year’s success?
Should we bring up Jason’s horrible rookie year stats? What’s the point?
Last year, VY was MUCH better than JC. He’s also younger and less turnover prone, and wins MUCH more often. It’s kinda simple. Winning is good. VY does it, JC doesn’t.
———————
JC did not play his rookie year, but sure you can bring up his second year when he started 7 games and threw for more TD’s than VY when he started 15.
When a play changes teams with a new system, there is no way you can take the previous year stats to determine how he will do the following year. You should now that Alex.
Also, I think he only threw for 200+ yards once or twice and his record was 5-5.
Jason’s record was 7-5.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:17 am
“Every time it is always something about Vince,” Young said. “It’s Vince, Vince, Vince, Vince, Vince. But it’s all good. I don’t feed into it. I don’t even read the stuff. Half the time I don’t know what is going on.”
Remind you of anyone?
January 31st, 2011 at 10:18 am
Perry or Moss
January 31st, 2011 at 10:20 am
32-18.
That’s what it is about Vince.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:20 am
The Bills have Ryan Fitzpatrick, who threw for 23 TDs last year, more than JC ever has.
Ryan threw for 4 TDs and 380 yards on the Ravens.
***
trade for Ryan Fitzpatrick then!
He’s in the last year of his contract and he’s only due to make $2.8 million next year
but the Bills only finished 4-12 last year, so why are you praising this guy again? I thought you were all about WINNING ???
Alex, just throw in the towel already. 5 semi pro bloggers are using you for a punching bag
January 31st, 2011 at 10:20 am
and Alex, 1.5 year differnce in age is not enough to make a difference. I actually believe that VY will be out of the league before JC because he is a running QB.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:20 am
Maybe we can sign Cole Ford too….might as well collect the mental cases.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:22 am
Bottom Line:
Jason Campbell is our starting QB in week one of 2011.
Like it or lump it, you better get used to it.
All of the GM’s, especially Al, are concerned that OTA’s may not happen this off-season, or be greatly reduced. So in 2011 especially, no team is gonna start a different QB, unless they absolutely have to.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:22 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 10:20 am
32-18.
That’s what it is about Vince.
————————–
5-5 last year
January 31st, 2011 at 10:22 am
hate to say it, but Hall is a playmaker. He was for Atlanta and he is for Washington
the Al Davis defense isn’t for everybody!
************
When you dont have a responsibility (or eschew it to freelance) its easy to be in position to make plays. Asante Samuels is the same way. They make plays, but they give up as many as they make. Its like saying Stanford Routt is better than Nnamdi because he had 7 ints (i know he didnt, its hyperbole) but allowed 7 TDs. I said it back when we signed Hall, he is a very good zone defender, and would probably excel at being a free safety.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:24 am
McRaider,
not the lame “new system” excuse.
How did Schaub do his 1st year in Hou?
Warner’s 1st year in AZ?
Brees’ 1st year in NO?
Ben’s 1st year in Pitt?
Flacco’s 1st year in Balt?
You can either play the position, or you can’t.
Turning THIRTY next year, JC has shown he isn’t very good. Asking a QB to blossom 70 starts into his NFL career is asking for someone to re-write history.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:24 am
Remind you of anyone?
********
You know its considered racist on this blog to say such things Dakota. Mentioning that ‘he who shall not be named’ spoke in the third-person is a capital offense.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:25 am
I said it back when we signed Hall, he is a very good zone defender, and would probably excel at being a free safety
***
Co-Sign!
January 31st, 2011 at 10:26 am
Bengals fire OC Bob Bratkowski!
January 31st, 2011 at 10:26 am
Ok. You have beaten the ‘I dont like Jason Campbell’ horse into glue.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:27 am
actually the quote from Young that Dakota posted, reminded me of Al.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:27 am
Yeah, people trumpet Vince young’s playoff experience, lol….they went to the playoffs despite his almost 2-1 Int to TD rate in 2007 and then he rode the bench in 08.
What a great QB!
January 31st, 2011 at 10:28 am
lol McRaider,
5-5 is a let-down year for VY. His career W/L % is so much higher, that we use a .500 season to bring him down.
Compare that to JC, who we get ECSTATIC about because he helped his team get to 8-8.
I’ll take the guy who we look at 5-5 in a tough division as a bad year, over the guy we crown when he sneaks into .500 territory in the 2nd weakest division.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:30 am
Dakota,
the day we can laugh at how bad JC was when he played in a playoff game, will be the first.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:30 am
SnB PA,
Here is the stat I think he was talking about in regards to Soup throwing the shortest passes in the league.
His average pass didn’t go 6 yards down the field (lowest in the league).
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjrQsNu8M0e2xZm6bRoTxRT.uLYF?slug=ys-intangibles012711
January 31st, 2011 at 10:35 am
OK, I’ll ease up and go with what another poster listed as better options.
Kevin Kolb (my concern is if he couldn’t get it done with Philly’s O, why all the hype?)
Chad Henne (young, true upside, better pocket passer)
Carson Palmer (a true low-risk, high-reward, change-of-scenery pickup. All you would ask him to do is complete 5 or 6 big throws in a game while handing it off to DMac 20 times. He could complete those 5 or 6 big throws MUCH more often than our current QB)
Palmer has made the playoffs twice when given a great ground game. In the AFC North, no-less.
Kyle Orton (much better #s and career win %, turned
B. Lloyd into a Pro-Bowler)
January 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am
We are supposed to take into account a season in which a guy is carried to the playoffs by a good supporting cast, playing for a stable franchise and coaching staff, despite the player’s horrible play, and that somehow makes him better than another QB playing in the second most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL?
That’s a good one.
Put VY in Washington and JC in Tenn during those years and I guarantee his w-l % is better than VYs.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:37 am
Looking at Soup’s situational stats, it doesn’t look as bad as the overall picture.
The thing that jumps out is that on 3rd downs between 3 and 7 yards he has a QB rating 67.4, but 3rd’s and 8-10 yards he is at almost 100 and over 11+ yards he is over 100 on the QB rating.
That is the essence of the checkdown. And Big Ben CONVERTS more 3rd and 8+ than JC completed passes on 3rd and 8+.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7201/situational;_ylt=Aji.F23Ec1gnOUTQcUh1cx_.uLYF
January 31st, 2011 at 10:38 am
He turns 30 at the end of next season and 30 year old QB’s can still play in the NFL.
Warner SB winning QB with TOP notch WR (look at him in NY)
Brees Once of the elite QB’s in the league
Ben was horrible at time, but had one of the TOP D’s in the league and a guy named The BUS and Cower.
Flacco came in doing well for his team, but that doesn’t always happen.
You really need to stop compairing what other player have done for other teams, The Raiders have not been good for awhile and it’s not always the players.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:40 am
Look at how many passes Routt had to face. He had almost a Pro Bowl year and people think he sucks. We need a DB coach to get our WHOLE secondary on the same page as far as catching the ball, and being able to execute zone coverages as well as man.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:41 am
How is Tennesse less dysfunctional than Washington?
Since Soup entered the league, the Skins have made the playoffs twice and won one game.
The Titans made the playoffs twice and were one and done both times.
Seems about a wash to me.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:44 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 10:35 am
OK, I’ll ease up and go with what another poster listed as better options.
Kevin Kolb (my concern is if he couldn’t get it done with Philly’s O, why all the hype?)
Chad Henne (young, true upside, better pocket passer)
Carson Palmer (a true low-risk, high-reward, change-of-scenery pickup. All you would ask him to do is complete 5 or 6 big throws in a game while handing it off to DMac 20 times. He could complete those 5 or 6 big throws MUCH more often than our current QB)
Palmer has made the playoffs twice when given a great ground game. In the AFC North, no-less.
Kyle Orton (much better #s and career win %, turned
B. Lloyd into a Pro-Bowler)
——————————-
So now wins the previous year don’t matter, right?
How this Denver and Cincy do this year??
Palmer did not get it done with TO and Ocho, doubt he could do it with DHB and Murphy
January 31st, 2011 at 10:46 am
Kevin Kolb (my concern is if he couldn’t get it done with Philly’s O, why all the hype?)
*************
Kolb was injured and couldnt take the job back from Mike Vick whos #s were incredible for an 8 game stretch, some of the best ever in an 8 game stretch. Thats not to say Kolb couldnt get it done, but how do you bench a guy playing that well? Kolb played very well when Vick got injured this season as well.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am
JFB,
Gee I don’t know, one franchise has had the same coach for 16 years and went to the SB in 2000, the other franchise has had 7 head coaches in the past 10 years and has traded away multiple first round picks for little return and has made horrible decisions in free agency.
Tell me which one is more dysfunctional. Lack of success does not make a team dysfunctional.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am
Palmer did not get it done with TO and Ocho, doubt he could do it with DHB and Murphy
**********
Palmer played DRASTICALLY better without TO and Ocho, and I bet that a vet WR is at the top of Hues list as much as it is ours.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:50 am
long as y’all are heatedly debating the merits of a worthless QB VY, why don’t you toss in Matt Leinart and Alex Smith and Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson and Tarvarius Jackson as well as countless others? These QBs could also bring nothing to the table you’d want and at a minimal price.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:51 am
I’d take my chances with Palmer over Young….but I would want to keep JC on the roster just in case.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:51 am
McRaider,
since you ask, I’ll look at a QBs life-long W/L record, as anything can happen in any one year.
Palmer was in the playoffs JUST LAST YEAR, and twice in the last six years.
He DID get it done in the toughest or 2nd-toughest division in football.
Give him our running game, and a decent WR, and he’s a beast.
Give JC a running game, and a decent receiver, and…it’s EXACTLY what he had in Washington.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:53 am
JaVincent Paul Young Jr.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am
[...] Oakland Raiders are expected to hire Bob Wylie as offensive line coach and Chuck Bresnehan as linebackers coach, according to the [...]
January 31st, 2011 at 10:55 am
Lonetree,
again, to some of us, winning matters. VY wins, while your list doesn’t.
Bcz, was he injured week 1? Was 5-10 for 24 yards?!
Threw 2 TDs and 5 INTs in his final 2 starts this year.
All potential, not much proof yet. And he was in an A+ system.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:57 am
All fine and dandy …
BUT ….
We ALL know the QB for the Raiders next season will be Jason Campbell.
The guy is on a one year contract for 4.5, which is WAY reasonable. He has one year to try out and take this team somewhere.
The real question is what happens if we win the division next year and Camplunkett has a decent season?
I say we resign him now for 4 years 15 million.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:59 am
JaMatthew Stephen Leinart
JaBrayden Tyler Quinn
JaDerek Matthew Anderson
JaAlexander Douglas Smith
JaTarvaris Fox Jackson III
January 31st, 2011 at 11:01 am
whoa, whoa JHill
Take that back immediately!!
That’s top backup QB pay, so why would he take that if he felt they wanted him as a starter?
And no, we all know honestly that QBs don’t suddenly emerge after 70 NFL starts.
If you want to be the Jaguars and go 7-9 or 9-7 every year, sign him to an extension.
If you want to build a perennial playoff team, find a true top-15 QB. Not saying Hall of Famer top 5, just a guy who’s at least better than half of his peers.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:03 am
We do not have a C on the roster!
Or do we?
Will Veldheer be playing C for us next year, or do we draft a C with our first pick in the draft?
January 31st, 2011 at 11:03 am
If I recall drew brees stunk it up in San Diego until his last year and suffered a devastating shoulder injury and garnered interest from only the Dolphins and Saints
January 31st, 2011 at 11:08 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 10:51 am
McRaider,
Give JC a running game, and a decent receiver, and…it’s EXACTLY what he had in Washington.
I running game really doesn’t matter if he doesn’t show up, right.
So look at JC’s loses:
Against Tenn 135 yds (34 from JC)
Against SF 110 yards (21 from JC)
Against Pitts 16 yards
Against Jags 155 (Defense clearly lost this game)
Against Indy 80 yards (10 from Jason)
Do you think that the losses could have something to do with not being able to run??
With no running game, I cause Palmer would have also loss these games.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:12 am
[...] Raiders head coach Hue Jackson is set to add Bob Wylie and Chuck Bresnahan to his coaching staff, Jerry McDonald [...]
January 31st, 2011 at 11:13 am
funny, you use THREE 100-yard games out of five to show we didn’t have one?
Yet I said JC had the running game and good WR in Washington all those years. Didn’t do squat with them.
Pro-Bowl LT too.
Also, a good QB will open up the running game on any given day, just as Rodgers has done in Green Bay, and Rivers did for no-name Mike Tolbert.
Why did the Patriots run for 100+ against the Steelers on Monday night? Brady.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:15 am
Kurt Warner was 2-8 his first year in AZ.
Kurt Warner was 1-4 his second year in AZ.
Matt Schaub was 4-7 his first year with the Texans.
Matt Schaub was 6-5 his second year with the Texans.
You might want to change these names out with different players…
January 31st, 2011 at 11:19 am
Not impressed with the Oline coach.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:23 am
Dutch,
Schaub is still on a bad team, doesn’t mean he can’t play the position.
Guy completed 66% of his passes first year there. You could see they had a keeper, 1st time in the system was no excuse. Holds true for many quality QBs.
Delhomme made the playoffs first year in Carolina.
Orton put up monster #s first year in Denver.
Cassell made the pro-bowl first year with Weiss.
Romo showed his talents first year in Dallas.
Bradford and Stafford proved legit 1st year in system.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:26 am
J Hill,
isn’t it honestly amazing that Davis values coaches so little?
Waufle gets excellent results in NYG, is brought back by Oakland, produces, and you would think Al would see the value both in money and wins that a good, proven coach brings to an organization.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:30 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:13 am
funny, you use THREE 100-yard games out of five to show we didn’t have one?
Yet I said JC had the running game and good WR in Washington all those years. Didn’t do squat with them.
Pro-Bowl LT too.
Also, a good QB will open up the running game on any given day, just as Rodgers has done in Green Bay, and Rivers did for no-name Mike Tolbert.
Why did the Patriots run for 100+ against the Steelers on Monday night? Brady.
————————–
There you go compairing Aaron Rodgers and JC, Comapairing GB’s system to the Raider’s.
I used ALL of Campbell’s losses to prove a point and did not pick and choose, that’s your cup of Tea
January 31st, 2011 at 11:33 am
Schaub went from a west coast offense to a west coast offense….hardly a change. The only difference was the terminology. JC went from a vertical attack to a west coast offense to a vertical attack we have here.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:34 am
Alex,
Davis?
Hue Jackson hired this Wiley guy.
Maybe he’s here to assist Wiz on the technical points of coaching the Oline.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:34 am
Compare that to JC, who we get ECSTATIC about because he helped his team get to 8-8.
*************************************
I don’t think too mant of us are “ecstatic” abou JC being our QB.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:37 am
@Alex7
Not saying you are wrong, just those were two bad names to make your point. See you had plenty of better names to add to make your point.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:39 am
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:23 am
Dutch,
Schaub is still on a bad team, doesn’t mean he can’t play the position.
Guy completed 66% of his passes first year there. You could see they had a keeper, 1st time in the system was no excuse. Holds true for many quality QBs.
Delhomme made the playoffs first year in Carolina.
Orton put up monster #s first year in Denver.
Cassell made the pro-bowl first year with Weiss.
Romo showed his talents first year in Dallas.
Bradford and Stafford proved legit 1st year in system.
————————-
You are so right, and Coaching and the system have nothing to do with it.
And when it comes to Jason, him helping improve the worst offense in the history of the Oaklandd Raiders does not count for jack. Let’s bring in Palmer, Henne, or maybe Alex Smith to improve this team. So what they couldn’t do it with their current team. So what Palmer played in the same system for several years and still couldn’t get the SB. So what he had two TOP Notch WR’s and still could win.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:41 am
Raccoon,
JaSoup won more games than he lost as a starter this past season. The final five games he played quite well as a matter of fact. Vastly improved over the beginning of the season. Got no problem here seeing what Soupman can bring to Hue Jack City.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:47 am
DutchRaider77,
When the time comes, A7 will be arguing with Charon about the proper coinage to cross the Styx into Hades.
It is what he does.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:49 am
Jason Campbell is no Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rogers.
But he’s no, Gradkowski, McCown, Walters, or JaMarcus either.
He is more like a Brad Johnson or Trent Green.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:49 am
367.M Lonetree Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:41 am
Raccoon,
JaSoup won more games than he lost as a starter this past season. The final five games he played quite well as a matter of fact. Vastly improved over the beginning of the season. Got no problem here seeing what Soupman can bring to Hue Jack City.
*************************
Ok, we got no choice either. I will be a happy man if JC plays like an all Pro, but I just don’t see it. It takes him too long to diagnose the D, and find his WR/TE/RB/FB. With Reece, McFaddy, Bush, Miller, and Ford C’mon man that is a QB’s dream!
January 31st, 2011 at 11:50 am
Wylie can coach Veldheer and the Wiz can coach BCamp …
I don’t see any of the other scrubs returning
the “wildcards” would be Barnes, Walker, Henderson & Loper (2 of the 4 might stick)
Gallery, Carlisle, Satele = toast. ZBS/Cable guys
I see 4 new starters on the O-Line, Campbell being one of them (at RG or RT)
January 31st, 2011 at 11:50 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 8:56 am
welcome back to mediocrity.. 2011 = 6-10
***
LMN,
you’re being generous
I said we’d go 4-12 in 2011 under Hue Jax!
_____________________________________________________
you caught me =) I WAS generous LOL
January 31st, 2011 at 11:51 am
LOL, KoolKell tweeted this to Jerry:
@Jerrymcd Jer, youre an Al Davis lackey…and your blog is for weaklings.
32 minutes ago via web in reply to Jerrymcd
————————-
Jerry shot back:
@_Michael_Kelly_ Which is why you contribute so often, I can only assume. 8 minutes ago
January 31st, 2011 at 11:51 am
369.McRaider5150 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:49 am
Jason Campbell is no Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rogers.
But he’s no, Gradkowski, McCown, Walters, or JaMarcus either.
He is more like a Brad Johnson or Trent Green.
***************************
“He is more like a Brad Johnson or Trent Green”
Wishfull thinking. Trent Green was great, B. Johnson was well B. Johnson.
JC is more like JaWalrus, er Old Arron Brooks.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am
Jason Campbell is no Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rogers.
But he’s no, Gradkowski, McCown, Walters, or JaMarcus either.
He is more like a Brad Johnson or Trent Green.
***
JCamp is better than the Culpepper, Leftwich group
not in the Vick, Freeman group
I guess I’d put him in the McNabb, Garrard group
Average. Inconsistant. 300 yards 3 TD’s 1 sunday, 120 yards 2 INT the next!
January 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am
Good mornig nation!!!!
“Got no problem here seeing what Soupman can bring to Hue Jack City.”
I couldn’t agree more we have been lacking stability for some time now and these two should be just fine next year.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:55 am
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:49 am
367.M Lonetree Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:41 am
Raccoon,
JaSoup won more games than he lost as a starter this past season. The final five games he played quite well as a matter of fact. Vastly improved over the beginning of the season. Got no problem here seeing what Soupman can bring to Hue Jack City.
*************************
Ok, we got no choice either. I will be a happy man if JC plays like an all Pro, but I just don’t see it. It takes him too long to diagnose the D, and find his WR/TE/RB/FB. With Reece, McFaddy, Bush, Miller, and Ford C’mon man that is a QB’s dream!
——————————–
Good Point, but notice how deep the routes are that our WRs run. As many have mentioned in the past, we do not run enough quick routes. No bubble screen, no hitches, no slants. we r un deep 15 yard curls and outs, our crossing patterns are even 12 or more yards.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:55 am
Summary: This is another team that gets a big bump up the Board, based on performance. As I wrote about Oakland midway through the season, its ability to get maximum value in “playing the draft” has been questionable, but what isn’t in question is the eye for talent. Rolando McClain was a starter at linebacker, and a pretty good one; Lamarr Houston is a solution in the middle of the defensive line; and Jared Veldheer got moved around to start the season but found a home right where he was in college, as an athletic left tackle who should only get better. Then they got a steal out of Jacoby Ford as icing on the cake. His pass-catching skills are far better than his draft profile indicated. Solid work.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:56 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:28 am
NYJ 90 6-10
NYJ 91 8-8
TBB 92 5-11
TBB 93 5-11
TBB 94 6-10
TBB 95 7-9
CIN 97 7-9
CIN 98 3-13
CHI 99 4-12
CHI 00 5-11
CHI 01 13-3
CHI 02 4-12
CHI 03 7-9
ARI 04 6-10
DEN 10 4-12
FIFTEEN NFL seasons, ONE playoff trip, TWO winning seasons.. NINETY losses in 240 GAMES!!!!
and the Al worshipers say they have a good feeling about this guy???
————————-
Um, OK, but how did the O Lines play?
________________________________________________________
well I have no Idea, but apperantly not good enough to win more than TWO seasons, and ONE playoff trip…
I know its not a proof of Wylie isnt worth the paper his contract is written on, but it surely shows a tendency..
only loser teams hire him, and they stay loser teams while he is on the payroll…
January 31st, 2011 at 11:58 am
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:51 am
369.McRaider5150 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:49 am
Jason Campbell is no Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rogers.
But he’s no, Gradkowski, McCown, Walters, or JaMarcus either.
He is more like a Brad Johnson or Trent Green.
***************************
“He is more like a Brad Johnson or Trent Green”
Wishfull thinking. Trent Green was great, B. Johnson was well B. Johnson.
JC is more like JaWalrus, er Old Arron Brooks.
Tren did not become a really good QB until after he was 30 years old. Go llok at his stats. Did very good half a year in SL with a Great Offense, then went to KC and stunk it up his first year. his second year on was really good.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:58 am
@La Milicia Negra
Do you play handball?
Went to Lake Forest College.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:59 am
Could Raiders be America’s team?
January, 31, 2011
JAN 31
2:15
PM ET
EmailPrintComments
28
By Bill Williamson
As part of our Super Bowl coverage, ESPN.com has a three-way debate on what NFL team is truly America’s Team?
Chad Millman supports the Steelers, Gene Wojciechowski supports the Packers and Tim MacMahon supports the Cowboys.
As always, we need to make this an AFC West topic. Do you think any of the four teams in the division deserve to be in the conversation? The division has been down — the AFC West hasn’t been represented in the Super Bowl in eight years, which is the longest streak by any division in the NFL — but there is a lot of support for each team.
If I had to nominate an AFC West team to be considered America’s Team, it would probably be Oakland. It seems to me the Raiders have fans from across the country. While it’s not great that Oakland rarely sells out at home, it seems there’s always a strong road contingent of Oakland fans.
I’m sure you all have opinions. Fill the comment section below on your thoughts.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Agreed with Lonetree.
VY should be used in the same sentence as Leinart, Quinn, Russell & A. Smith
January 31st, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Double R,
I think if we can keep Gallery that would be a good move. He has made the move from T to G and could almost be a probowler if he applied him self. He was thought of more of a power blocking giant with a nasty streak coming out of college. ZBS imho was a bad fit for him I hope he comes back.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:03 pm
@Rockstar
VY: What do you think the Titans can get for him?
You think he can turn it around? Vick 2.0, in the distance future?
January 31st, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Geez McRaider,
Palmer makes the playoffs twice in the tough AFC North, and you blame him for not winning and not making it to the Super Bowl. Some reach.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Why in the hell was Cassell in the pro bowl?
He is not pro bowler.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:07 pm
R8eray,
The Steelers have become America’s team by becoming what the Raiders used to be: tough, nasty, penalized, intimidating, sacks galore, power running, deep passing, smart moves.
Americans want to relate to those things.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:09 pm
He’s been in the league since 2003 dude and in the same system for most of that time. At what point to you start blaming him from not getting you were you need to go.
In Washington, JC had to go against the Eagles, Giants, and Cowboys. I don’t see you giving him a pass???? Why Palmer???????
January 31st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
No bubble screen, no hitches, no slants. we r un deep 15 yard curls and outs, our crossing patterns are even 12 or more yards.
**************
Then why is JCs yardage per pass (not including YAC) the lowest in the NFL?
January 31st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Dmac, he put up great numbers in a weak division, and helped his team go from top-5 draft to the playoffs.
But I agree that talent-wise, he’s definitely a notch below the guys at the Pro Bowl.
I’m just impressed to see 27 Tds and 7 Int over a season when the kid is starting his THIRD season since HIGH SCHOOL!
January 31st, 2011 at 12:11 pm
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/san-francisco-49ers/2011/1/31/1965539/2011-nfl-mock-draft-raiders-joe-lefeged-senior-bowl
Raiders speak with S Joe Lefeged!!
January 31st, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Bcz,
remember JC one-hopping our WR on a screen? Good stuff.
He missed high on slants to Ford and Chaz to open up the Jax game. Hit another WR on the knee in a crossing route that bounced up and gave Bush(?) or Reece(?) that long fluke reception on the carom vs the Seahawks.
I think Hue knows JC’s weaknesses and calls plays accordingly.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm
McRaider,
Palmer = 2 playoff trips for a stingy owner.
JC = 0 playoff trips with more talent.
Redskins made the playoffs TWICE without JC in the years he was there.
Yes, both in tough divisions. But you can see the difference right there.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:17 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
No bubble screen, no hitches, no slants. we r un deep 15 yard curls and outs, our crossing patterns are even 12 or more yards.
**************
Then why is JCs yardage per pass (not including YAC) the lowest in the NFL?
——————
Not sure were you get your stats from, but payton had the lowest yrds per completion.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?rank=233&range=NFL&type=Passing
January 31st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
# DutchRaider77 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 11:58 am
@La Milicia Negra
Do you play handball?
Went to Lake Forest College.
________________________________________________________
not any more, btw, we just lost the world cup against France, they took out our playmaker after 5 min.. were then were behind almost all game, 3 times in regular time were we even, at 9-9 and 25 and split seconds before time ran out, and one time we were ahead in overtime, but we couldnt hold it, due to injuries and mistakes, but hey 44 years since we were in the final, and I know it wont be so long next time, we have a killer team, and the worlds best Handball coach, the worlds best strategic..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrik_Wilbek
If USA got the Handball fever, and hired a Dansih Coach they would be champs in 4 years.. agile baseball, basket and QBs that cant hit it in the Pros would be a perfect fit for Handball..
January 31st, 2011 at 12:20 pm
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm
McRaider,
Palmer = 2 playoff trips for a stingy owner.
JC = 0 playoff trips with more talent.
Redskins made the playoffs TWICE without JC in the years he was there.
—————————-
Washington had more talent than Cincy????? Wow says who????
Look at what happen when jason left. Were they better team with a Pro Bowl QB like McNabb?? NO!!!!!! Doesn’t llo like it was Jason’s fault to me.
Please stop saying that Washington had Talent, they were OKAY, but not close to elite.
Yes, both in tough divisions. But you can see the difference right there.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:23 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:09 pm
He’s been in the league since 2003 dude and in the same system for most of that time. At what point to you start blaming him from not getting you were you need to go.
In Washington, JC had to go against the Eagles, Giants, and Cowboys. I don’t see you giving him a pass???? Why Palmer???????
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
good question.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm
McRaider,
Palmer = 2 playoff trips for a stingy owner.
JC = 0 playoff trips with more talent.
Redskins made the playoffs TWICE without JC in the years he was there.
Yes, both in tough divisions. But you can see the difference right there.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
try again Alex. This answer isn’t close to being good enough. If you want a replacement for JC, fine. But cross Palmer off the list. He’s gotten a free pass for Cincy’s losing ways for too long now.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm
McRaider,
Washington had pro-bowlers in Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Cooley, and Chris Samuel. Also some on D.
Want to name me 5 Cincy Pro-Bowlers?
the Redskins made the playoffs twice while JC was there, but each time only after JC was either benched or out with injury.
Washington had a top-15 D almost every year while JC was there.
Cincy D? Hahahaha.
Too easy.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Al will take the Rutgers SS in the third round.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Really? I’m the only fan here that would be happy with my QBs “losing ways” producing 2 playoff trips in the last 6 years with one of the worst owners in sports?
Ok.
AND somehow JC’s 0 playoff games with a better team are being used as some argument for keeping him over Palmer, if Palmer were available. Weird.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Really? Is this what the whole off season will be about? The same 4-5 people bashing Jc day after day? Its like some of you are obsessed with him. Nobody takes a beating in here as much as JC.
Satele, Carlisle, groves, huff & branch, DHB, murphy, Gradkowski ( especially Gradkowski) all played sub par football this season. But people want to focus on JC, who actually had a decent season all things considered.
This is ridiculous.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Quarterbacks who aren’t coming to Oakland:
Vince Young
Carson Palmer
Kyle Orton
January 31st, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Not sure were you get your stats from, but payton had the lowest yrds per completion.
***********
I quote “This season, the Raiders didn’t live up to the tradition of their deep ball aerial game. Campbell’s completions traveled just 5.76 yards in the air each, making the Raiders’ first non-losing season in several years very much like their last AFC championship run with Rick Gannon under center.”
5.76 yards per catch without YAC
January 31st, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Just because a player makes a probowl desnt mean that the team is any good. Samuals is a decent player, but is often injured, also the rest of the line was crap.
Portis couldnt stay healthy, and is a locker room cancer, & notorious under achiever.
Moss is clearly not the player he was in ny, and out side of moss, the foreskins have had a terrible wr group. Even worse than the group we have fielded.
Cooly is good player, but you could argue that jc made him into a probowler by finding him in the passing game. This also points to the fact that jc didnt have many pass catching threats. when cooly and moss are your biggest weapons you dont have much.
Some of these guys made the probowl as alternates, so they were not elite level players at all. Also this team has been in disarray since gibbs left. Stop trying to make the forskins out to be a good team. they sucked, end of story.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:43 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Another QB to push JCampbell for the starter’s job??
One of the great things about an Al Davis presser is that, get this…he actually speaks to the point, and he’s done that a few times regarding JC.
Anyone who thinks the Old Man wants to rattle JC’s bones by bringing in a “big name” (regardless of stats, a la Carson Palmer)…hasn’t been paying too much attention. If the Raiders reach out for a name bigger than Bruce Gradkowski, JC will be under the gun all over again (but worse).
JC is the undisputed man at QB for the Raiders…and his replacement, when the time comes, needs to be a younger guy who is brought along until he takes over by sheer force of play. If he’s not that young guy…the JC experiment will be an utter failure. And other close-but-no-cigar QB’s will continue to lead us to mediocrity until we hit the jackpot.
January 31st, 2011 at 12:43 pm
alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm
McRaider,
Washington had pro-bowlers in Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Cooley, and Chris Samuel. Also some on D.
Want to name me 5 Cincy Pro-Bowlers?
the Redskins made the playoffs twice while JC was there, but each time only after JC was either benched or out with injury.
Washington had a top-15 D almost every year while JC was there.
Cincy D? Hahahaha.
Too easy.
_________
In 2008 he had 4
RB – Clinton Portis
RB – Mike Sellers
TE – Chris Cooley
OT – Chris Samuels
Sorry, Moss was not voted in.
TOP 15 Defense?? That’s your argument???
Cincy was ranked 7th just last year. hahaha
January 31st, 2011 at 12:46 pm
whats up Raiduhhhhh Nation!!!! havent been on in a while…
January 31st, 2011 at 12:46 pm
new post
January 31st, 2011 at 12:48 pm
alot of new guys on here i see… some oldies too, what up Debo!!! where u at rockstar??
January 31st, 2011 at 12:48 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Not sure were you get your stats from, but payton had the lowest yrds per completion.
***********
I quote “This season, the Raiders didn’t live up to the tradition of their deep ball aerial game. Campbell’s completions traveled just 5.76 yards in the air each, making the Raiders’ first non-losing season in several years very much like their last AFC championship run with Rick Gannon under center.”
5.76 yards per catch without YAC
——————————-
And were her is this coming from???
Can I get Manning or some other QB’s yards per catch without yac???
January 31st, 2011 at 12:49 pm
And who do those other Qb’s have at WR??
January 31st, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Interesting stats for yards after catch for QB’s. There are many QB’s that benefits from YAC.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=&type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=230
October 2nd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
κυτταρίτιδα…
[...]Wylie expected to join coaching staff – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…
October 5th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
הליקובקטר פילורי 10 teva…
[...]Wylie expected to join coaching staff – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…