NFL-NFLPA statement
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, January 31st, 2011 at 2:49 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The following statement was released jointly by the National Football League and the National Football League Players Association on negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement:
NFL Players Association Executive Director DeMaurice Smith and Commissioner Roger Goodell met today in New York to discuss a range of issues related to a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. As part of a process to intensify negotiations, they agreed to hold a formal bargaining session with both negotiating teams on Saturday in the Dallas area. They also agreed to a series of meetings over the next few weeks, both formal bargaining sessions and smaller group meetings, in an effort to reach a new agreement by early March.
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January 31st, 2011 at 2:52 pm
ahchoo
January 31st, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Would hate to see the Raider momentum slowed by a work stoppage, of all years.
January 31st, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Good news — get this thing settled sooner rather than later. It’s a pot of gold for both sides, if they’re not stupid about it.
Now, as for Rolando McClain — get that kid out of Alabama now before he becomes the football equivalent of Tupac. Guns and macho = dead. Hue, go get him and bring him to California.
January 31st, 2011 at 2:56 pm
KoolKell,
i`m glad you called what the raiders have momentum.some raider fans think without cable it`s 5-11 at best.
January 31st, 2011 at 2:59 pm
# bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 2:56 pm
KoolKell,
i`m glad you called what the raiders have momentum.some raider fans think without cable it`s 5-11 at best.
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The statistics say that, too.
January 31st, 2011 at 2:59 pm
4.bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 2:56 pm
KoolKell,
i`m glad you called what the raiders have momentum.some raider fans think without cable it`s 5-11 at best.
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Rockstar thinks Cable is so far superior over Jackson that we will be 4-12 at best next year. In his mind the coaching genius of Cable was worth 4 games!
January 31st, 2011 at 3:00 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 2:53 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 2:40 pm
rmr, what is the west coast offense?
West coast offense is just another version of the gilman / Davis offense. The emphasis on shorter drops and quicker passes, and pass routes.
Remember Bill Walsh is a direct descendant from the Davis coaching tree.
So indeed Davis is the grand father of the so called west coast offense
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No doubt, Mistic.
I mean, everything Bill Walsh knew he learned from Al Davis. That 49er offense of the ’80s was a replica of the ‘63 Raiders. In fact, the reason Walsh drafted Montana is because he had shades of Cotton Davidson in him. Walsh would watch Montana’s Notre Dame game film and his mouth would just water at the way Joe would ignore a wide receiver wide open on a cross 10 yards downfield, with nobody between him and the goal line, and instead force it to a wideout streaking down the sideline in triple coverage. “That’s our guy!”, Bill said.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:00 pm
I think if Cable stayed and Jackson went, we’d have been back to our more typically Cable record of 5-11. So yes, it’s momentum.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Raiders finally getting rid of zone blocking.
Zone can be effective if ran correctly, but it takes special players to pass block in the zone scheme and the Raiders never found them.
Maybe they can finally move on from Robert Gallery and Cooper Carlisle.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:01 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Al Davis lets WINNERS coach
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Sure. Then trades them.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Without a WR, QB, RT, power-blocking C, OLB, Hall-of-fame pair of CBs in the strict man-to-man, and our constant bottom run D,
we are 8-8 at best next year.
I would say 5-11 is much more attainable for our current group than 11-5 with the schedule we get next year.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Yeah, I’d hate to see the ongoing chaos in Alameda be disrupted by a work stoppage.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
I think the Players Union should adopt the French Labor Unions approach to hostile negotations.
“…we are approaching day 3 of the lockout and the NFL players are still holding hostage the NFL owners.”
January 31st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
What matters most is what the PLAYERS think…and the players think we have some momentum built/building.
It’s HueJax’s job to make sure they continue to think that way.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Bigblackdeath29 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 2:56 pm
KoolKell,
i`m glad you called what the raiders have momentum.some raider fans think without cable it`s 5-11 at best.
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Cross-posters. When the Raiders make the playoffs next year, you won’t see half of these handles.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:03 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
edward teach Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Alex7,
You’re speaking in absolutes, and the only examples of QBs that win without quality offensive linemen you give are future Hall of Famers.
Jason Campbell is not going to get confused with Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlesberger. Neither are the majority of the other NFL quarterbacks. The vast majority of the other quarterbacks in the league need good offensive linemen to protect tham and to block for their running games. They also need receivers that can run pro routes and catch the ball when it’s thrown to them. They also need defenses that can stop people when they have to so the team isn’t playing from behind and forcing them to throw the ball.
I understand your point, but what you’re trying to convey as a universal point only applies to a small percentage of NFL teams. Everybody else needs an o-line, and even the great ones struggle when they don’t get protection. All you need to do is watch Rivers or Manning or Brady when they’re continually harrassed back there. They aren’t very good under constant pressure, either.
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This is a great post Ed. I wonder why Alex didn’t address it???
January 31st, 2011 at 3:04 pm
repost
The answer you’re looking for, MR…is the same answer you don’t want to know, KK…
Al Davis lets WINNERS coach, and have a larger say in the operation of the team. If a guy with little or no HC experience comes along (Lance), he’ll make sure that person has the tools around him to improve. If the guy shows he has a WINNER’S aptitude, he’ll carry more weight.
Gruden carried some weight when he won…and Al got fair value for him at the time when he traded his rights. However…to just turn-over a team to ANY HC is the stupidest idea one can have. Would you turn over YOUR half-billion-dollar enterprise to someone, just because he can draw X’s and O’s? Verrrry doubtful, no matter what you say.
Al lets winners coach…and he helps winners develop. However, neither Gruden nor Lance ever showed one iota of having better hiring/drafting skills than Al has. Even if a name comes to mind (and I can already hear it)…that one option (or many) is no better the strike/homerun ration than the average NFL team has when selecting players or staff.
Al gives winners a long leash…but it pains MR, KK, and the like to admit it. It hurts whatever tired argument they have left to disparage anything good about the Raiders.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:05 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
What matters most is what the PLAYERS think…
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Tell us about it. Their results in the past 8 years matches their work ethic.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Al trades winners, right before Super Bowl seasons. Thanks though, Hayez.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:07 pm
So, Ed, you really need 3 long paragraphs to explain that Jason Campbell is just mediocre, and nobody should expect much from him?
January 31st, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Actually, RMR, Bill Walsh DID say that Al Davis taught him everything he knew about football.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090816/NEWS/908169975/1057/SPORTS0908?p=4&tc=pg
Granted, he had critical things to say too, but there you go . . .
January 31st, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Hey Kell…at least he (JMCD) acknowledges you!
January 31st, 2011 at 3:09 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
So, Ed, you really need 3 long paragraphs to explain that Jason Campbell is just mediocre, and nobody should expect much from him?
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So, MR, you really need 6 long years to explain why we should all hate as much as you?
January 31st, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Davy, I said Bill Walsh learned everything he knew from Al. I guess the only thing he didn’t learn was how to live forever. Oh, that was wrong.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Hayes,
how would you measure if a guy had better drafting skills than Al?
I mean, I’m pretty sure Gruden would have kept Nedney, and drafted Shaun Alexander instead of cutting Nedney and drafting Jano, but we’ll never know.
In Tampa Bay, Bruce Allen was the GM, so just wondering how you can compare.
Not that you can do much worse than Derrick Gibson and Jano in back-to-back 1st rounds.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Raiders have 20,000 season ticket holders? JaMarcus Russell has more people at his parties.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:17 pm
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January 31st, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Win, and more of us will be there every week. Your opinion notwithstanding, KK, the Raiders still have a lot of fans. Your sick mind can’t really believe you have THAT many allies, does it?
Mistakes get made…teams bounce back. We’re close to being back.
My tix are good…as a matter of fact, I’ll be part of the early-bird program, I’m proud to say.
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan…no matter what you two (or your aliases) try to do about that.
The Raiders OWN — yes, the Raiders OWN — both MR and KK. Otherwise, they wouldn’t exist for this blog.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Lance’s honeymoon ended when he asked Al for permission to interview for the ‘Bama job. Or Auburn or whatever coach jumped ship down there and got Muffin all salivating for an SEC job. In November of his first season. Yeah, I’d feel real good about my HC who was looking to bail about midway through his first year on the job. When Crazy Ol’ Al turned him down little boy Lance went out of his way to get fired.
My wife wouldn’ta been too happy if I asked her if I could start sleeping around the November after the summer we got hitched. I probably would’a gotten the overhead projector treatment from her lawyer(s).
January 31st, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Hayez, I don’t hate anyone. I love the Raiders. That’s why I wish something horrible would happen to Al so he can’t run the team anymore. It’s out of love.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Wow. The Raiders “own” me. That’s dramatic.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:22 pm
It’s because the Raiders are in Oakland. If the Raiders moved to Stinson Beach, the fans would flock there to see Jason Campbell by the sea, while sipping wine. It’s the Raider way.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:23 pm
26.alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Hayes,
how would you measure if a guy had better drafting skills than Al?
I mean, I’m pretty sure Gruden would have kept Nedney, and drafted Shaun Alexander instead of cutting Nedney and drafting Jano, but we’ll never know.
In Tampa Bay, Bruce Allen was the GM, so just wondering how you can compare.
Not that you can do much worse than Derrick Gibson and Jano in back-to-back 1st rounds.
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allen and gruden drafted horrible in tampa and both got fired.but gruden did get tampa over the top and win a superbowl.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:24 pm
I think I’ll go make meself a cocktail. Got some entertaining to do…not that this light banter isn’t somewhat entertaining.
MR, KK — You guys go ahead and keep slathering-up one another. Just remember to clean the pool when you get out — there are others in here that don’t want to get any of “you” on them.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Instead of the sound system playing War “Why can’t we be friends” when a fight breaks out, they’ll play Christopher Cross, “Sailing”. I’m just trying to help attendance, Hayez.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:25 pm
A cocktail? It’s only 3:30! Times must be rough in Alameda. Hue’s probably drinking when he gets out of bed. Thankfully, it won’t last more than a year or so.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:25 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
January 31st, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Gruden’s drafting in Tampa was horrible, while Davis’s drafting in Oakland was world class.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:27 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:25 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
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Yeah, that’s why happy hour is 3:30! It’s a great day to be a Raider fan like it’s a great day to be in Egypt.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:29 pm
45.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Gruden’s drafting in Tampa was horrible, while Davis’s drafting in Oakland was world class.
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just talking about gruden and allen.al has drafted bad too but he`s got the team on the right track now.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Oh, you were just talking about Tampa. Never mind. Everyone, disregard my recent quip about Al’s drafting since Gruden’s left. Pretend you never read it.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:33 pm
The only way the Raiders will get better on offense is to protect the QB, and get some WRs that can make some plays. Playing 10 on 11 every game is really hurting our passing game. If DHB doesn’t improve by week 4 of next year it is time to sit him and get a real football player on the field.
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This is true for every qb who has ever played the position. Great teams make great qbs.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:33 pm
I don’t know about “horrible” in the drafts in Tampa.
They had no 1st or 2nd rounders there the first two years due to the trade.
They drafted Carnell Williams, Barrett Rudd, Alex Smith, Davin Joseph (pro-bowl alternate 2 years later), Aaron Sears.
Not sure how much worse that is than Jano, Gibson, Harris, PBuc, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley, and Huff in the same period.
But yeah, definitely a crap-shoot, which is why I would trade more picks for players (QBs!!!)
January 31st, 2011 at 3:34 pm
16.McRaider5150 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:03 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
edward teach Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Alex7,
You’re speaking in absolutes, and the only examples of QBs that win without quality offensive linemen you give are future Hall of Famers.
Jason Campbell is not going to get confused with Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlesberger. Neither are the majority of the other NFL quarterbacks. The vast majority of the other quarterbacks in the league need good offensive linemen to protect tham and to block for their running games. They also need receivers that can run pro routes and catch the ball when it’s thrown to them. They also need defenses that can stop people when they have to so the team isn’t playing from behind and forcing them to throw the ball.
I understand your point, but what you’re trying to convey as a universal point only applies to a small percentage of NFL teams. Everybody else needs an o-line, and even the great ones struggle when they don’t get protection. All you need to do is watch Rivers or Manning or Brady when they’re continually harrassed back there. They aren’t very good under constant pressure, either.
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This is a great post Ed. I wonder why Alex didn’t address it???
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I was wondering the same thing.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Debo,
we already noted how top QBs are throwing to a bunch of QB-turned-WRs, with a bunch of no-name 5th round picks blocking for them, and backup TEs like Randy McMichael and Jacob Tamme making names for themselves a few weeks because of the QB awesomeness.
The QB makes the team.
Steelers were 6-10 before Ben arrived.
Vikings not quite the same without vintage Favre, despite everyone else being the same.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Oh, you were just talking about Tampa. Never mind. Everyone, disregard my recent quip about Al’s drafting since Gruden’s left. Pretend you never read it.
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Kiper’s New Draft Grade for Raiders:
“A year later he bumped the Raiders up to an A- because the players did in fact perform”
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/san-francisco-49ers/2011/1/30/1964826/mel-kiper-re-grades-2010-nfl-draft-raiders-49ers-both-benefit
Just sayin, even if it is the Blind Squirrel scenario…
January 31st, 2011 at 3:39 pm
I don’t think Mel Kiper could beat up John Herrera, so I should take him seriously, why???
January 31st, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Why would you take anyone seriously who compliments Al Davis? After all, he can do no right . . .
January 31st, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Steelers were 6-10 before Ben arrived.
Alex
The Steelers have gone to the playoffs with Tommy Maddox, Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomzack, Neil Odonnell, before Ben.
Quit lying.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Can’t compare the Steelers and Raiders as organizations. They could not be more different. The Steelers value organizational consistency above all else, while Al Davis is not concerned with consistency in the slightest.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I hope they strike and I hope they use scabs because I would pay to see that!!
I myself am sick of the modern athlete prim donna look at me dance after I made a simple tackle while my team is behind by 21 points!
Sick Sick Sick of it!!!!!!
Give me a hungry fresh out of college kid making 25K a year to play a game he loves!!
January 31st, 2011 at 3:53 pm
43.alex7 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:33 pm
I don’t know about “horrible” in the drafts in Tampa.
They had no 1st or 2nd rounders there the first two years due to the trade.
They drafted Carnell Williams, Barrett Rudd, Alex Smith, Davin Joseph (pro-bowl alternate 2 years later), Aaron Sears.
Not sure how much worse that is than Jano, Gibson, Harris, PBuc, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley, and Huff in the same period.
But yeah, definitely a crap-shoot, which is why I would trade more picks for players (QBs!!!)
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janokowski is still playing and kicking 60 field goals most players from that draft are out of football.i wonder what first rounders are left.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:56 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Al, you’re awesome.
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Oh, how sweet.
January 31st, 2011 at 3:57 pm
I hope they strike and I hope they use scabs because I would pay to see that!!
I myself am sick of the modern athlete prim donna look at me dance after I made a simple tackle while my team is behind by 21 points!
Sick Sick Sick of it!!!!!!
Give me a hungry fresh out of college kid making 25K a year to play a game he loves!!
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@Silver
Just talking with a Co-worker about the Pro Bowl and how lame it is. I would rather see the Pro Bowl game played with a mixture of practice squad players from around the league.
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January 31st, 2011 at 3:58 pm
The “Hip hop” mentality has ruined basketball and is now ruining football…
Look at “ME” I made the play by myself! There were not 10 other guys out there blocking for “ME”
Cromartie with his bad attitude and 25 kids thinks he can make threats to players because his skills are slowly eroding so he uses his mouth instead.
Athletes today take themselves out of games…unheard of in the old days.
Athletes today make a simple tackle and will dance until a delay of game penalty is called even if their team is behind by 30 points. How many excessive TD celebrations have cost teams on the kickoff this year….how many dances did you see when a team was behind by 20 points or more……too many for me!
January 31st, 2011 at 4:00 pm
bigblackdeath29 Says:
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janokowski is still playing and kicking 60 field goals most players from that draft are out of football.i wonder what first rounders are left.
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You are right on the money. After the 17 pic in 2000, not many player still playing from first round
January 31st, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Wylie Coyote paired with Sanya Lal! woooooho! let the beatdown begin!
January 31st, 2011 at 4:14 pm
The hip hop mentality is also going to ruin Pro Bass Fishing and the Bowling Tour! What the hell is going on?!
January 31st, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Macho man
Once it reaches pro wrestling you will worry then buddy!!
(sarcasm)
January 31st, 2011 at 4:46 pm
36.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:25 pm
A cocktail? It’s only 3:30! Times must be rough in Alameda. Hue’s probably drinking when he gets out of bed. Thankfully, it won’t last more than a year or so.
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Since Gruden, the Raiders had Bill Callahan, who was fired after a horrible season then Norv Turner, who had his chance and couldn’t win jack squat, then Art Shell, who was a bad choice to begin with as the timing wasn’t right, and then Lane Kiffin, who didn’t work out, and then Tom Cable, who was nothing more than an extended “interim” coach.
I think it is obvious that Al will give Hue Jackson a lot of time to allow the seeds he has planted enough time to grow and flourish amid the Raider “garden” of winning.
Einstein said it best: “As a man doeth, so he doeth not, if he doeth at all, he doeth thusly so.”
This explaineth the coaching carousel.
January 31st, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Yummm…a little Don Ramon tequila, w/ a Dos Equis chaser. Nice way to spend an afternoon.
McRaider5150 Says:
bigblackdeath29 Says:
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janokowski is still playing and kicking 60 field goals most players from that draft are out of football.i wonder what first rounders are left.
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You are right on the money. After the 17 pic in 2000, not many player still playing from first round
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Actually, you’re both right on the money…percentage-wise, the amount of players left from that entire draft would show that the investment made in Jano — in any round — was well worth it.
1st round?? Since the odds of getting your 1st-rounder to pan-out are pretty steep, and Jano has lived up to his billing (strong, somewhat erratic, lotsa touchbacks, spectacular to watch)…I’d say the Raiders made a pretty good investment, after all. Whether the Raiders really needed to spend that pick on him is another matter, argued all the time. At that time, Al must’ve thought a little more highly of the balance of his team, huh?
If Jano kicked for a Super Bowl winning team…or, if his spectacular performance in the Tuck Rule game mattered to the outcome…he’d be considered a great draft choice.
January 31st, 2011 at 4:53 pm
DeMaurice Smith (or should I call him JaDeMaurice), said he would reduce his salary to 68 cents if a new CBA agreement is reached before the Super Bowl. He and Goodell meet on Saturday. What’re the odds he won’t meet that goal? Hahahahahahahahahaha.
January 31st, 2011 at 4:55 pm
He gets that done, and the NFLPA would force him to take his paycheck. And rightfully so.
Football in ‘11!
January 31st, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Raiders gotta make the playoffs this year ! I believe they can
Especially if we want Nnamdi to stay here for his whole career.
We should be in the Super Bowl at most in 3 years…
January 31st, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Get this done. Sign Nnam. Letsss do this Hue Jackson!
January 31st, 2011 at 4:58 pm
I’m sorry, but I’m still having a tough time forgiving Jano for that 32 yard miss in Arizona.
You can kick all the 70 yard fg’s you want, but if you choke on a 32 yard game winner then it doesn’t mean jack squat.
January 31st, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Is it the “hip hop mentality” or is it an espn / fox sports mentality. Last i check rappers dont put sports highlights in their videos.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Suffice to say…Jano’s missed a few he should’ve made, at terrible times, even…but, the team has failed to respond time and again when he did do his part. TEAM being the operative word.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Mistic,
BSPN highlights & Hip-Hop, is there really a dif? They make what sells and play to what sells for the “attention-span deficient” age.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:06 pm
And that “mentality” is the world we live in. Ask Ochocinco and T.O. what being modest is all about…don’t think either guys are the result of too much hip-hop, I think they’re the result of too much of oneself.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Company…gotta run.
It’s a great evening to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
January 31st, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Ask Al Davis what being modest is all about. I’m yet to see T.O. or Ocho get on camera and put on a show the way Al just did.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:09 pm
JaDeMaurice Smith, being an attorney, unlike Eugene Upshaw, thinks he is dealing with morons. The blahblahblah won’t work with the owners or the players.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:10 pm
espn mentality, hip hop mentality two branches on the same tree
January 31st, 2011 at 5:11 pm
No snitching…live on the government’s money…hustle, hustle, hustle…
Hip hop mentality. Also…Wall Street mentality.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:13 pm
There’s no such thing as an ESPN mentality. ESPN is a subsidiary of Disney. The ESPN mentality is the media mentality, the 4th estate.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:19 pm
The name “Wall” street derives from a wall that used to exist around the street to keep native Americans, and poor people in general, away from New Amsterdam’s financial center.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:20 pm
KiffinRaider,
I do realize that your emptiness is a quality embraced by a Hinayana Buddhist, but they would refrain from hatred (Raiders and Al in your case) and discoursing upon subjects about which you do not know (almost everything) in order to further your own egoic presumptions.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Lonetree, stick to football.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:40 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
So, Ed, you really need 3 long paragraphs to explain that Jason Campbell is just mediocre, and nobody should expect much from him?
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I know you’re smarter than this, Madden. What I said was that Alex is using future Hall of Fame quarterbacks to demonstrate his point as universal. The reality is that Hall of Fame quarterbacks don’t grow on trees, and that the vast majority of NFL teams DO need a good offensive line to run their offenses successfully.
Look at the NFL draft. Offensive tackles, top-level quarterbacks and defensive players that can get to the quarterback dominate the early selections. That’s not a coincidence. Teams are either trying to find a franchise quarterback, protect the quarterback they have, or put pressure on the oppponents’ signal-caller.
Jason Campbell is not an elite quarterback. Pretty sure everyone knows that. There are an awful lot of teams out there that don’t have a elite quarterback. If you want to classify Campbell or anyone else that’s not elite as mediocre, have at it. That wasn’t what I was saying in my “three long paragraphs”. Hope that clears it up for you.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Edward Teach ,I’m going to teach you how to write.
Here’s basically everything you said, in 3 sentences:
1)Alex overrates the QB position.
2)Most teams have mediocre quarterbacks.
3)Jason Campbell is one of them.
For all of our sakes, please try it.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:45 pm
If it’s too many words for you, Madden, feel free to skip a few.
You seem to be the only one that has a problem with it.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Teach, RMR is just trolling. Don’t worry about it. I thought it was well-written and well-thought out.
Some people just don’t like reading things and then having to think about them, I suppose.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Do what you gotta do to make sure there is no lock-out because THE RAIDERS ARE ON A ROLL BABY!!!!!!!!!
January 31st, 2011 at 5:51 pm
YA,
MaddenRaider doesn’t bother me at all. He’s contrarian for the sake of being contrarian sometimes, and sometimes it’s fun to go back and forth with him.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:53 pm
No, I’m just the only one here not afraid to hurt your feelings, Blurt Vonnegut. Trust me they’re all thinking the same. This isn’t your blog. Nobody is here to read your long winded snoozers. Oh, I’m sure any second now, your mom will log on under some fake Raider fan sounding name and say she lives for your ginormous comments, but she’s lying. You just read the truth.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:54 pm
I’m not being contrarian, Teach. Trust me. Your writing sucks. Keep it short and get to the point.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Well, my mom’s dead, Madden, but I’m pretty sure she would laugh about what you just said like I did if she were alive. I’m afraid my little feelers aren’t going to be hurt if someone says they don’t like what I write on this blog.
As you’ve said yourself, this blog is for everyone. If you don’t like what I have to say you are not in any way obligated to read or respond to it. On the other hand, keep it coming if it suits you. I kinda enjoy it.
January 31st, 2011 at 5:58 pm
raiders 8-8 thanks to jackson’s offense. Cable woulda gone 4-12 again
January 31st, 2011 at 5:58 pm
YA, how can you say I don’t like reading things? True, I don’t like reading boring things, like any comment from Mr. Ed that goes more than one short paragraph. But to teach him a lesson, I did in fact read the very comment I was criticizing, and note above that I summarized his entire comment in 3 quick sentences. He could have, too. Because there’s absolutely nothing else he said that was interesting beyond those 3 points. Just writing for the sake of writing. Word word word word word look mom, more words. And he calls me a contrarian? What about boring door knobs who just pound out words for the sake of writing? BLAH!
January 31st, 2011 at 6:00 pm
“My mothers’ dead” (knowing I don’t know him and therefore had no way of having any clue that his mother is dead) = white flag
January 31st, 2011 at 6:04 pm
You’re right, Madden. White flag. You win.
lol
January 31st, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Silver-And-Black666 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I hope they strike and I hope they use scabs because I would pay to see that!!
I myself am sick of the modern athlete prim donna look at me dance after I made a simple tackle while my team is behind by 21 points!
Sick Sick Sick of it!!!!!!
Give me a hungry fresh out of college kid making 25K a year to play a game he loves!!
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lol so f$&k the millionaire athelete that has trained their entire life, and in some cases sacrificed a normal childhood to play the game they love at the highest level for a living. Nevermind the fact that they have no guranteed contracts, have an avergae career length of 2.5 years, in a league that has some of it’s hall of famers sleeping in cars, alleys and suffering thru constant pain, alzheimers, and dementia because it turned it’s back on it’s former employees. You would rather side with the billionaire owners looking to keep a few extra bucks in their pockets, who will likely own the team for decades, and if the do decide to sell it would be at a huge profit….that makes plenty of sense to me. This is why wall street wins smh
January 31st, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is ‘recognition’; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it’s a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they’ll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that’s what they do!).
January 31st, 2011 at 6:13 pm
EdwardTeach,
yours are ever some of the more well-thought contributions to this site. Yours, having no agenda save to delineate your ideas about the Raiders are always an honourable proposition. Gracias senhor.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Thanks, Lonetree. I enjoy reading your contributions as well.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:17 pm
I think Wylie Coyote is going to do a great job for the Raiders.
As long as the Acme Corporation doesn’t interfer.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:18 pm
100.Kirk Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 6:17 pm
I think Wylie Coyote is going to do a great job for the Raiders.
As long as the Acme Corporation doesn’t interfer.
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Maybe we should have someone else order the new blocking sleds
January 31st, 2011 at 6:19 pm
KK,
your doubts are erroneous. You have no idea.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:20 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 6:19 pm
KK,
your doubts are erroneous. You have no idea.
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True, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:21 pm
The NFL & NFLPA saw the Pro Bowl Ratings and woke up… Like Al Davis said when the last CBa was reached… we can’t kill the Golden Goose… get something done.
UFL has positioned itself for the worse case scenario… if the leagues drops the ball and does not get a deal done, the UFL will survive gain momentum.
If NFL is smart & gets a deal done… UFL folds in one year
January 31st, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Al Davis has been linked to the Oakland Raiders since 1962, first as the coach and general manager, then as an owner. It’s been a largely successful but controversial ride, one that’s included highly publicized spats with the NFL, lawsuits against him from three California cities (Oakland, Los Angeles and Irwindale) as he moved his club up and down the West Coast, and calling out many of his coaches and star players.
Davis’ profile has dimmed in recent years, thanks mostly to the Raiders’ futility on the field from 2004 to 2009. But over the past couple of years, he’s fired coach Lane Kiffin after barely more than a season, then feuded with Kiffin’s successor, Tom Cable, who Davis also just fired even after he led the team to an improved 8-8 record this past season. All the while, there was Davis’ constant second-guessing of the coaching staff on who to start at quarterback after the flop of 2007 top draft pick JaMarcus Russell.
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At age 81 Davis can proudly look back on a career that’s included three Super Bowl titles and a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He also stands as the most disliked sports figure in America. According to the latest survey by E-Poll Market Research, 68 percent of the public gives Davis the thumbs down on likeability. The biggest adjective respondents apply to Davis: “creepy.” Basically, any softening of Davis’s image long after his prime maverick days in the 1980s and 1990s seems to have been washed away in the past couple of years.
“There are just certain guys that people just love to hate,” says E-Poll CEO Gerry Philpott. “A lot of news has come out of Oakland lately, none of it good. That’s not going to reflect well on the owner.”
E-Poll surveyed more than 1,000 adults on their attitudes toward sports figures currently active as players, coaches, owners or commentators. All were ranked on the combined percentages of respondents who answered “Dislike Somewhat,” “Dislike,” or “Dislike a Lot,” to each sports figure.
A big lesson from the poll: Image rehab takes time for players who have had brushes with the law or substance abuse. Michael Vick, last year’s most disliked sports figure, improved his combined “dislike” score to 56 percent from 69 percent – better, but only enough to push him to No. 2. After admitting to using steroids and returning to the Cardinals as a hitting coach, Mark McGwire’s dislike score mellowed to 43 percent from 48 percent, nudging him down to No. 8 from No. 6. Philpott says that, unlike a player who might carry a negative image based on poor play or not living up to expectations, a guy who digs his own hole with steroids or a criminal conviction is in for a longer haul.
“A psychological penance,” Philpott calls it. “The average consumer or casual fan doesn’t care what you did on the field, he just cares about what you did [off it].” Nonetheless, improved performance on the field can help, as Vick’s numbers demonstrate.
Oakland’s Davis isn’t well-liked.
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Tiger Woods’ lackluster performance since returning to the golf course has kept any possible public opinion bounce at arm’s length. Tiger essentially held steady from last year on our list, at No. 4 with a 52 percent dislike rate.
One guy who dropped off the list from a year ago: Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who served a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy after he was investigated for sexual assault. Big Ben’s dislike score dropped to 39 percent from 57 percent, still way above the 13 percent average for all athletes, but out of top 10 range. As Philpott notes, the fact that Roethlisberger was never charged with a crime helped him bounce back pretty quickly.
Also finishing in the top six: Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones (some people just don’t like outspoken owners), Tampa Bay Rays outfielder Manny Ramirez, whose fading bat no longer covers up for his aloof manner, and Cincinnati Bengals receiver/diva Terrell Owens, a polarizing player whose shtick is either loved or hated by most fans.
New to the list this year are Washington Redskins lineman Albert Haynesworth, a big-money player who clashed with coach Mike Shanahan after showing up for camp out of shape, plus legendary (and temperamental) former college basketball coach Bob Knight, who apparently still manages to get under some people’s skin as an ESPN analyst.
January 31st, 2011 at 6:46 pm
86.Mr.Page Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Do what you gotta do to make sure there is no lock-out because THE RAIDERS ARE ON A ROLL BABY!!!!!!!!!
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“Were”! We just hit the reset button.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:08 pm
kk so if Waffles is not DC will you fell victorious? All filled with self pride, and a sense of accomplishment?
January 31st, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Jlofty
post #29 funny man……lol
January 31st, 2011 at 7:13 pm
408….dont know??
Something fishy going on…same blog, same tweets from a couple of hours ago!
January 31st, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Here’s one for MR…
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-forbesmostdislikedinsports013110
Davis, Vick top list of most disliked in sports
By Tom Van Riper, Forbes.com 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
Al Davis has been linked to the Oakland Raiders since 1962, first as the coach and general manager, then as an owner. It’s been a largely successful but controversial ride, one that’s included highly publicized spats with the NFL, lawsuits against him from three California cities (Oakland, Los Angeles and Irwindale) as he moved his club up and down the West Coast, and calling out many of his coaches and star players.
Davis’ profile has dimmed in recent years, thanks mostly to the Raiders’ futility on the field from 2004 to 2009. But over the past couple of years, he’s fired coach Lane Kiffin after barely more than a season, then feuded with Kiffin’s successor, Tom Cable, who Davis also just fired even after he led the team to an improved 8-8 record this past season. All the while, there was Davis’ constant second-guessing of the coaching staff on who to start at quarterback after the flop of 2007 top draft pick JaMarcus Russell.
At age 81 Davis can proudly look back on a career that’s included three Super Bowl titles and a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He also stands as the most disliked sports figure in America. According to the latest survey by E-Poll Market Research, 68 percent of the public gives Davis the thumbs down on likeability. The biggest adjective respondents apply to Davis: “creepy.” Basically, any softening of Davis’s image long after his prime maverick days in the 1980s and 1990s seems to have been washed away in the past couple of years.
“There are just certain guys that people just love to hate,” says E-Poll CEO Gerry Philpott. “A lot of news has come out of Oakland lately, none of it good. That’s not going to reflect well on the owner.”
E-Poll surveyed more than 1,000 adults on their attitudes toward sports figures currently active as players, coaches, owners or commentators. All were ranked on the combined percentages of respondents who answered “Dislike Somewhat,” “Dislike,” or “Dislike a Lot,” to each sports figure.
A big lesson from the poll: Image rehab takes time for players who have had brushes with the law or substance abuse. Michael Vick, last year’s most disliked sports figure, improved his combined “dislike” score to 56 percent from 69 percent – better, but only enough to push him to No. 2. After admitting to using steroids and returning to the Cardinals as a hitting coach, Mark McGwire’s dislike score mellowed to 43 percent from 48 percent, nudging him down to No. 8 from No. 6. Philpott says that, unlike a player who might carry a negative image based on poor play or not living up to expectations, a guy who digs his own hole with steroids or a criminal conviction is in for a longer haul.
“A psychological penance,” Philpott calls it. “The average consumer or casual fan doesn’t care what you did on the field, he just cares about what you did [off it].” Nonetheless, improved performance on the field can help, as Vick’s numbers demonstrate.
Oakland’s Davis isn’t well-liked.
Getty Images
Tiger Woods’ lackluster performance since returning to the golf course has kept any possible public opinion bounce at arm’s length. Tiger essentially held steady from last year on our list, at No. 4 with a 52 percent dislike rate.
One guy who dropped off the list from a year ago: Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who served a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy after he was investigated for sexual assault. Big Ben’s dislike score dropped to 39 percent from 57 percent, still way above the 13 percent average for all athletes, but out of top 10 range. As Philpott notes, the fact that Roethlisberger was never charged with a crime helped him bounce back pretty quickly.
Also finishing in the top six: Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones (some people just don’t like outspoken owners), Tampa Bay Rays outfielder Manny Ramirez, whose fading bat no longer covers up for his aloof manner, and Cincinnati Bengals receiver/diva Terrell Owens, a polarizing player whose shtick is either loved or hated by most fans.
New to the list this year are Washington Redskins lineman Albert Haynesworth, a big-money player who clashed with coach Mike Shanahan after showing up for camp out of shape, plus legendary (and temperamental) former college basketball coach Bob Knight, who apparently still manages to get under some people’s skin as an ESPN analyst.
The “top” five:
1. Al Davis: Slideshow
2. Michael Vick: Slideshow
3. Jerry Jones: Slideshow
4. Tiger Woods: Slideshow
5. Manny Ramirez: Slideshow
January 31st, 2011 at 7:16 pm
“There are just certain guys that people just love to hate,” says E-Poll CEO Gerry Philpott. “A lot of news has come out of Oakland lately, none of it good. That’s not going to reflect well on the owner.”
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Very interesting quote. None of it good?
I happen to like what is happening so far. Al is building a solid coaching staff.
Only in Oakland does an owner fire a losing coach being sued for abusing women and get crucified for it in the media.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Sounds like Doofus Boob/Brien
January 31st, 2011 at 7:20 pm
For some reason I vaguely remember this guy, I’m pretty sure he’s been either with us before or with another team but I think I’ve met this guy before. The new Oline coach that is.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:21 pm
The “top” five:
1. Al Davis: Slideshow
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I guess my opinions on old man Davis are not rare afterall, no?
January 31st, 2011 at 7:23 pm
r8eray
I havent been here for a while but KK was alwasy cool to me even if we didnt see eye to eye. Thats why I asked.. Anyway Twitter rocks cuz you can ,block the trolls..
January 31st, 2011 at 7:23 pm
I think I’m pretty well known in the Raider offices.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:26 pm
408RAIDER Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 7:23 pm
r8eray
I havent been here for a while but KK was alwasy cool to me even if we didnt see eye to eye.
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I speak to people the way they speak to me. I can go left or right.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Now I remember we had a kid we drafted named Joe Wylie an Olineman who was pretty good, a nasty kid similar to Wiz but long before we drafted Wiz.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Skimmed a bit on the new Oline coach. Seems like a pretty good hire.
Per Raiders.com
“Wylie spent last season sharing offensive line coaching duties for the Denver Broncos. As an NFL assistant with the Arizona Cardinals, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Chicago Bears, he tutored seven offensive linemen who earned Pro Bowl berths. Wylie has also coached tight ends for Cincinnati and the New York Jets.
Before returning to the NFL with Denver, Wylie spent three seasons as offensive line coach in the Canadian Football League with Saskatchewan in 2009 and Winnipeg from 2007-08. During his three seasons as an offensive line coach in the CFL, Wylie was part of two teams that played in the Grey Cup with Saskatchewan (2009) and Winnipeg (2007). He coached players to All-Star appearances at every offensive line position (tackle, guard and center) in the CFL.”
January 31st, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Sounds kinky KK, you’re a swinger huh?
January 31st, 2011 at 7:29 pm
KK
I speak to people the way they speak to me.
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As it should be..
January 31st, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Thank-you.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Chuck Bresnehan, Linebackers coach. Who thinks that was a Hue Jackson find?
January 31st, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Steve Wisenewski Asst Line coach. I like it, but, who thinks that was a Hue Jackson find?
January 31st, 2011 at 7:37 pm
I think Jerry was right. Hue get’s a list of approved coaches to “hire” from.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:37 pm
If you like it then why would you care? Thats like saying ‘we just won the SB, who thinks it was Jackson or Davis responsible?’ …who cares ..we won!
Anyway ..adios
January 31st, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Hold on KK …I got this …eehemmm ..”Sheep”
yadayada ..yeah we all know ..Al Davis sheep
..predictable.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:40 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 7:37 pm
If you like it then why would you care? Thats like saying ‘we just won the SB, who thinks it was Jackson or Davis responsible?’
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It’s not at all like saying we just won the Super Bowl. Adios.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:40 pm
What does it matter who’s hires they are, as long as both agree upon those that are hired . Why are you always looking for contraversy? Wiz needed to be brought back and so did Beikert. These men were great technicians as players they had a very high football IQ they can teach football blindfolded. This organization desparately needs teachers of this sort.
Instead of looking for contraversy celebrate there presence.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Adios
January 31st, 2011 at 7:42 pm
108.Raider75 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 7:16 pm
“There are just certain guys that people just love to hate,” says E-Poll CEO Gerry Philpott. “A lot of news has come out of Oakland lately, none of it good. That’s not going to reflect well on the owner.”
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Very interesting quote. None of it good?
I happen to like what is happening so far. Al is building a solid coaching staff.
Only in Oakland does an owner fire a losing coach being sued for abusing women and get crucified for it in the media.
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that`s because everyone just looks at 8-8.this counrty likes winners don`t care about criminals never have.look at the love fest with big ben this week.just sick!!!they will use the word redemption every time he throws a td.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Gawwlee watching year of the QB on espn and not one highlight of Raider football lol. They even showed Colt McCoy.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Priesttj Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 7:40 pm
What does it matter who’s hires they are, as long as both agree upon those that are hired .
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It matters. That’s one reason established, proven coaches won’t come here.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Priest,
Joe Wylie was a running back at Oklahoma in the 1970’s, and we did draft him. I think he (briefly) played wideout for us.
Only reason I know that is because I’ve been a Sooner fan just about as long as I’ve been a Raider fan.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:48 pm
al saunders is established.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Al Saunders is not the Head coach hiring his own staff. In his mid 60’s, here to help Jackson.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Lots of established coaches come here. Lots of others want to, contrary to popular belief. But I’m sure you know that you just wont or can’t admit it.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:53 pm
i thought we were talking about all the coaches.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:55 pm
The whole world is wrong, and Al Davis is right. Despite the record.
January 31st, 2011 at 7:55 pm
The two SB coaches didn’t hire their own staffs but they’re in the SB. So it doesn’t matter winners win losers lose. It’s an excuse if you can’t win it’s not an issue if you can…………period
January 31st, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Free Agency in the NFL started in 1989 with Plan B. It marked a new way of operation for NFL teams.
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
1. Pittsburg 16
2. Miami 14
3. Green Bay 14
4. New England 13
5. Philadelphia 13
6. San Francisco 12
7. Minnesota 12
8. Kansas City 12
9. Indianapolis 12
10. Denver 12
11. Dallas 12
12. Tennessee 11
13. New York Giants 10
14. Buffalo 9
15. Seattle 8
16. Tampa Bay 8
17. San Diego 8
18. New York Jets 8
19. Chicago 8
20. Washington 8
21. Oakland 6
22. Atlanta 6
23. New Orleans 6
24. St Louis 5
25. Detroit 5
26. Cleveland 4
27. Cincinnati 2
“Winners win losers lose”
January 31st, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Jacksonville’s been in the League since 1995, 7 winning seasons.
Carolina been in the League since 1995, 4 winning seasons.
Baltimore’s been in the League since 1996, 6 winning seasons.
Houston’s been in the League since 2002, 0 winning seasons.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Hey KK whenever you can’t use reason you pull out useless stats those records don’t mean a thing to me they have no bearing on what happens this upcoming year. You are just a bore and you can’t help it. Your mind is stuck on stupid and can’t shift gears……..why bother dude if feel it’s not going top change and you can’t change it?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Hey Teach, thanks for the clarification on Joe Wylie, I couldn’t remember for the life of me why that sounded so familiar to me.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:09 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-forbesmostdislikedinsports013110
Yahoo’s list of 5 most hated people in sports.
1. Al Davis
2. Michael Vick
3. Jerry Jones
4. Tiger Woods
5. Manny Ramirez
January 31st, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Dude, it’s not personal, nor is it just me.
The Polls say: Most Disliked Person in Sports
Measly 22,000 season ticket holders.
It’s not personal Priesttj, hello?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:11 pm
I wonder how many people who voted even know those people, I bet half of them are worse humans than are on that list.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:13 pm
I didn’t sya it was man, I said why be miserable go do something that makes you happy. Why are you here everyday? It’s your own illness that’s my point.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Priesttj Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 8:13 pm
I didn’t sya it was man, I said why be miserable go do something that makes you happy. Why are you here everyday? It’s your own illness that’s my point.
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Frankly my business is none of your concern. I’m talking Raiders on this blog.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Priesttj are you the Dogma po-lice?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:20 pm
You’re not talking Raiders you’re whinning and crying like a babay everyday aint that just a little sick to even you?
It’s your own funeral dude, as far as I’m concerned you’re certifiable. It makes no sense to me nor anyone else besides MR to come somewhere and cry all day about the same thing. They don’t pay you do they?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Do you also visit the houses of ill repute for daily whippings? Just saying it’s a little masochistic to me.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Priesttj
Is that all you have in the defense of Al Davis’ management?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Like I said dude seek help, Al Davis neeeds me to come to his defense about as much as he needs me to loan him a money.
KK don’t get it twisted YOU are obsessed with Mr Davis NOT me.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Couple busted in my hometown with 30 pounds of crack cocaine in their car.
30 freakin’ pounds!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Have anything to say about the numbers in post 148, BHP?
January 31st, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Yeah I have something to say “I don’t give a damn”……….period
January 31st, 2011 at 8:34 pm
I didn’t think so.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Then why did you ask? I don’t waste time and energy whining about things that cannot be helped. I learned a long time ago focuson the past leaves you wanting in the future. It’s the past I don’t like it but it’s the past……….move on!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Well, the record is what is, is, no?
And current management is the same. Not very good, as the record indicates.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:47 pm
With his fragile state and deformed fingers, what does he do all day for the Raiders, as a General Manager, I wonder.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:52 pm
I think the Raiders can win, IF, Davis doesn’t mess it up with his petty counter-productive ego-maniacal nonsense.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Ask him as I said I don’t obsess over him. He’s not a problem to me at all. So you’ll have to figure it out for yourself. Sorry!!
January 31st, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Are 22,000 season ticket holders a problem for you?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Are you crazy I got my own set of problems man, Like what’s for lunch! You think I’m really stupid enough to care how many people are in the stands at the game. These people got money they haven’t folded yet……………get a life man!!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Pardon me all the hell. I’m just an old Raider fan. I happened to be around when they were proud.
I would have never thought.
Just scroll past my posts, ok?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:07 pm
I remember when the waiting list for season-tickets were years long.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:13 pm
I remember when gas was 25cents a gallon. Things change, life is funny that way…….as soon as they start winning again maybe it’ll go back that way but until I get paid to make it go back that way it makes me no difference really.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:13 pm
# Raider75 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Couple busted in my hometown with 30 pounds of crack cocaine in their car.
30 freakin’ pounds!
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So you either live in Stockton or Clearlake?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:17 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
Haha…KK…ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz
The Raiders are still proud…something you don’t understand. Character includes coming back time and time again, no matter how daunting a task.
Most real fans never abandoned ship, even when we didn’t agree with its direction…yet you and your ilk proudly scurried overboard like rats, while squealing about it.
Quite a legacy there, “old Raider fan.”
Ha
January 31st, 2011 at 9:20 pm
I haven’t scurried anywhere, as my presence attest’s.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:25 pm
114.KoolKell Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 7:23 pm
I think I’m pretty well known in the Raider offices.
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lol
January 31st, 2011 at 9:26 pm
He cares way too much about the peripheral stuff instea dof having fun watching what’s on the field. He wants to know who hired who, who said what and when. How much money Mr Davis has, all I know is whatever he has it’s a whole helluva lot more than I have.
Mr Davis will go broke when this society as we know it goes broke. He’ll never spend his own money for anything and every thing he has is damn near paid for and this guy spends everyday stressing over it.
All I care about is our chances to win this year and how much fun I’ll have going to the game………….period
January 31st, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I care about winning and the things that go into winning, so that I can enjoy my Sunday’s.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
Jacksonville’s been in the League since 1995, 7 winning seasons.
Carolina been in the League since 1995, 4 winning seasons.
Baltimore’s been in the League since 1996, 6 winning seasons.
Houston’s been in the League since 2002, 0 winning seasons.
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Let’s see here…I think someone’s arguments don’t add up…
If I added this right, those teams’ respective years in the League are: 16, 16, 15, and 8.
16 + 16 + 15 + 8 = 55 total seasons
How many Super Bowls have those teams been in those 55 seasons of football? And…how many have they won?
How many have the Raiders been in…and how many have they won again??
Don’t bring up stats, KK…they’re dangerous, and you might cut yourself.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:31 pm
172.KoolKell Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I care about winning and the things that go into winning, so that I can enjoy my Sunday’s.
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You have ZERO control over that.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Raccoon I laughed when I read that as well, Does he have a clue how busy those people are. The thousands of faces they encounter they don’t have time to worry about fans problems and if they do then they are NOT doing the jobs they were hired to do.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Those stats are 2 years old.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:33 pm
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:31 pm
172.KoolKell Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I care about winning and the things that go into winning, so that I can enjoy my Sunday’s.
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You have ZERO control over that.
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So?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:33 pm
OK…and either of those teams play in the Bowl in the last two years? No.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:35 pm
KK spinning out of control, trying to convince everybody he’s maintaining.
Shouldn’t have skipped that anger mangement class today, Kell…your own arguments are shooting you down. Should’ve blown off that steam, brother.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Then why do you bring up who’s in th stands and how much money someone has, and who hired who? That ha zero to do with winning…………oh I forgot you wouldn’t know that.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:38 pm
What those stats and others indicate, is that Al Davis has not adjusted properly to Free Agency, no?
Verrrry verry mediocre since 1989, free Agency.
Would anybody like to comment on THAT?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:43 pm
lol
January 31st, 2011 at 9:43 pm
So that means what? he has been to a SB since 1989 hasn’t he and he should’ve gone to another if not for a tuck rule. You cannot win all the time dude no one does. The niners haven’t been to a SB since 1995 Dallas since 1997 it happens.
All we care about is how soon we can get to the next one. I don’t give a damn about the past 20 years man.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:43 pm
20 minutes to the Showdown in Oaktown.
Tj vs. RMR
An event to rattle the most logical of minds.
I see Tj is getting warmed up with the Kool, at this time however no RMR is in sight.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:44 pm
I think they’re inability to develop a QB is testament to that.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Look how long KC has been waiting and the NYJ’s over 40 years for both.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:47 pm
They both have more winning seasons since 1989.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Ask their fans which would they rathe have SB’s or meaningless winning seasons……………lol
January 31st, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Hahaha, Hehehe.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Hey KK have it your way baby, I’m done I want a SB appearance at least every 10 years that’s what I prefer.
thanks for listening!!
January 31st, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Winning seasons, means playoffs, means a shot.
You snicker at winning seasons, because the Raiders don’t have many, and that makes you smart?
January 31st, 2011 at 9:53 pm
BHP
Take away your insults, and there aint much there, later.
January 31st, 2011 at 9:54 pm
I guess it does……….thanks for the acknowledgment. I prefer SB opportunity.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:01 pm
A turn of events forced RMR out of the ring from what I hear. I thought Tj was just sparring with The Kool til I found out The Kool was for and real delivered some heavy blows on Tj. While I can’t give a unanimous decision to either one, Babble On from Babelonia says The Kool with his sacarstic witticism forced Tj into a defensive stance and allowed The Kool more jabs and hooks. Babble On from Babelonia wants to give the unnoficial King Blog Crown to The Kool. I don’t know if I agree, but so be it.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:02 pm
192.KoolKell Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:53 pm
BHP
Take away your insults, and there aint much there, later.
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This just means Kool Kelly is switching names/user
January 31st, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Suspended Jets assistant coach Sal Alosi resigns
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Get this man a plane ticket to Oaktown John. Snap to it. We need guys like this to restore the Raidahs to greatness.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Probably right Raccoon! I didn’t mean to insult anyone and I don’t think I did. But apparently he did…..lol
I’m excited about next season if there is one but he just wants to cry about the past 20 seasons and I can’t see the wisdom in that.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:10 pm
182.priesttj Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:43 pm
So that means what? he has been to a SB since 1989 hasn’t he and he should’ve gone to another if not for a tuck rule. You cannot win all the time dude no one does. The niners haven’t been to a SB since 1995 Dallas since 1997 it happens.
All we care about is how soon we can get to the next one. I don’t give a damn about the past 20 years man.
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Why does everyone seem to forget if the Raider beat the Patriots, they STILL had to play the Steelers the next week. They weren’t snubbed from the Superbowl that game.
As much as that call was BS people constantly recall that game as the AFC Championship game. It wasn’t.
And it’s not just you Priest. I see this all the time I just don’t know why.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Because we had the best team in the league that year, Obviously the Pat’s beat Pittspuke and we dominated the Pat’s at their place if Gruden had not been so conservative we would’ve blown them away.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Marquice Cole Resigns With New York Jets
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Start makin the deals here. This man got game.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Jets fire 30 in sales force
BY Manish Mehta
The Jets eliminated approximately 30 jobs in the sales department last week, team spokesman Bruce Speight confirmed. The organization beefed up its personal seat license sales efforts last year for the opening of the New Meadowlands Stadium with temporary sales positions. The possibility of a lockout this offseason could conceivably make it more difficult to sell additional PSLs for the 2011 season.
The Jets reduced the price of 9,000 personal seat licenses last summer by up to 50% to avoid a blackout of the season opener against the Baltimore Ravens.
The Jets didn’t disclose how many unsold PSLs remain. The team’s current focus is selling club seats.
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Need sales people too. 22,000 in un-acceptable.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Try this on for size, say Gruden really attacks the Pats and we beat them and go on to win the SB we might have won back to back SB’s with that team. Gruden would’ve been even more revered than he is now and he might have gotten a lot more of what he wanted. $$$ and sense.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:21 pm
realmaddenraider said “I mean, everything Bill Walsh knew he learned from Al Davis.”
Overstated. As an ASSISTANT he learned some things in Oakland, sure, but not horizontal passing, which is what Walsh honed at Cincinnati to tear up defenses. Walsh = horizontal; Gillman/Davis = vertical.
I’m still a fan of Al Davis.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:22 pm
The father of Lions quarterback Shaun Hill died Saturday afternoon after reportedly falling off the roof of Hill’s home in Lake of the Ozarks, Mo.
The Detroit Free Press reported that Ted Hill, 60, was helping Shaun work on his barn when he accidentally fell.
“I talked to Shaun, I texted Shaun (Saturday) night,” Don Barcus, who was a football coach with Ted Hill at Parsons High in Kansas, told the Free Press. “Shaun texted me back and said my dad is the greatest person in the world. They had a very close relationship — he did with both his sons.”
January 31st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Very very very sad I can’t imagine how that guy must feel.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:25 pm
201.priesttj Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Try this on for size, say Gruden really attacks the Pats and we beat them and go on to win the SB we might have won back to back SB’s with that team. Gruden would’ve been even more revered than he is now and he might have gotten a lot more of what he wanted. $$$ and sense.
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There was snow all over the ground there. Hard to really attack when its cold and covered with snow. And snowing. I blame that game on adam vinatieri.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:31 pm
IMO the snow is an excuse the Pats attacked us just fine anyway they won we lost it is what it is. But we were the better team …….period
January 31st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
# Sweep The Leg. Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:13 pm
# Raider75 Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Couple busted in my hometown with 30 pounds of crack cocaine in their car.
30 freakin’ pounds!
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So you either live in Stockton or Clearlake?
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lol… Longview, TX – Redneck town of about 80,000.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:46 pm
We were the better team and the whole country knew it. even tom tucking brady. The game was a fluke win job by the pats, the tuck rule had to be dusted off or made up, take your choice, and what else hurts, we were stuck on the runway in bean town for five freakin hours cause of the snow, so that was a bad snow day.
Raidahs got jobbed by the snow, the refs, av, but the sports world knew the Raidahs was hosed.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm
another thing that grabs my craw is when big bird sara goose slams little richie to the ground and takes him outta the game, and the refs do nothin about it. they probably bought him a double big mac for doin there work, and the ravens win that game. goose shoulda been ejected.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:51 pm
We need more Al Davis press conferences in our lives
January 31st, 2011 at 11:01 pm
realmaddenraider said “I mean, everything Bill Walsh knew he learned from Al Davis.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dumb.
Walsh was with Raiders for one year. One. As a RB asst.
Are you a moron, realmaden? Only a moron would make that comment.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:06 pm
the tuck rule had to be dusted off or made up,
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Actually, was called earlier the same year, and many times since.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:06 pm
He was being sarcastic ridiculing someone else with that statement anyone who knows MR knows he wouldn’t give Big Al that kind of credit.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:06 pm
does kk know that the “new” 96 ravens are the “old” cleveland browns that moved and changed their name and uniforms? u would have to go a lot further than 1996 to look for winning seasons in the last 20 years.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm
priest, what u think of kaepernick and how early would u take him?. hankerson was a beast out there. jarvis jenkins has intrigued me and sherman of stanford is the kind of athletic physical cb i would like for us to get. this draft has got some good players.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Whassup Armond? I’m very high on Kaepernick I would take him at #48 I think he sits 2 years and we have a special player. he just has tremendous athleticism and a very strong arm, great leader and competitor and a winner. I think he just needs to sit and see the progame for a year or so and then you can unleash him. I really like this kid.
Sherman is a more cover2 corner and Hankerson is a player to be sure but there are a ton of WR’s in this draft. I would make Sherman a safety in our system.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:16 am
Wherever #20 goes this off-season i pray #81 right there with him.
February 1st, 2011 at 5:08 am
Hey Priest…What do you think of the Raiders’ chances of heading back to LA?…Looks like Farmer’s Insurance has provided a boost.
February 1st, 2011 at 5:29 am
I wonder if Hankerson is quick enough to get open consistantly at the next level? It seems his ceiling per the draft “gurus” is that of a very good #2 WR. Great hands and good size though.
February 1st, 2011 at 5:41 am
Priest’s idea of moving Sherman to S is a pretty solid idea.
Very, very physical (and I will guess smart since he went to Stanford) and great size for a Safety. I wouldn’t think he would go in the first 3 rounds, and could represent great value in later rounds.
I am worried Huff will walk, and I don’t think MM34 will ever be an everydown safety in this league (or at least not a good one).
February 1st, 2011 at 5:46 am
As far as QB’s, I think Kapernick improved himself from a 4th round or later pick, into the top 50 of the draft with his Senior Bowl week.
Yes he has some development issues to iron out, but than almost every other QB has some of this as well, and they are not as talented as Colin.
It seems the big issue, I have heard this for a few years now, on these spread-option QB’s is the footwork. And the issue with the footwork effects the sideline, outside the hash mark throws that are so important on 3rd downs.
Was, hopefully still is, a huge issue with Tebow. Throws darts with perfect volacity and accuracy BETWEEN the hashmarks, than wobbles horribly inaccurate throws outside of them.
I think it all comes back to footwork, and it takes at least one year if not more to correct it. Goes for Tebow, VY, Cam Newton, Colin, Andy Dalton and plenty of other QB prospects that worked almost exclusively out of the shotgun.
February 1st, 2011 at 5:50 am
oo Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 12:16 am
Wherever #20 goes this off-season i pray #81 right there with him.
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What? You want Schilens to hang out with DMAC?
February 1st, 2011 at 6:02 am
As far as QB’s, I think Kapernick improved himself from a 4th round or later pick, into the top 50 of the draft with his Senior Bowl week.
Yes he has some development issues to iron out, but than almost every other QB has some of this as well, and they are not as talented as Colin.
It seems the big issue, I have heard this for a few years now, on these spread-option QB’s is the footwork. And the issue with the footwork effects the sideline, outside the hash mark throws that are so important on 3rd downs.
Was, hopefully still is, a huge issue with Tebow. Throws darts with perfect volacity and accuracy BETWEEN the hashmarks, than wobbles horribly inaccurate throws outside of them.
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Yep. I had Kaepernick pegged as a third rounder, but now I’d say he’s a 2nd rounder without question and may sneak into the late first if a team that has a QB coming to the end of the road, but not quite there yet, falls in love with him. Seattle comes to mind.
The thing with spread QBs I find is that, besides the footwork as you mention, their systems are generally “one or two reads and then take off running.” It’s all about the system, so having to read defenses, identify blitzes, change protections and audible plays don’t really factor into what they do.
The interesting thing I see about Tebow is that he can complete short passes no problem and has a shockingly good deep ball, but his intermediate accuracy is a complete mess. Of course, those are the bread and butter throws of an NFL quarterback. If he can get that corrected, he can succeed.
February 1st, 2011 at 6:05 am
I watched a lot of Tebow’s games this year, and watch almost all of his last game.
He throws the absolute worst sideline throws you will ever see. Like two yards out of bounds and 5 feet over the guys head.
But working with his slot WR and TE in the middle of the field, he looks every bit the first round pick.
Heard the same things about Colin this week in those practice notes blogs. Great down the middle of the field, and not ready for the big boys on the sideline outs.
February 1st, 2011 at 6:05 am
Good Morning Nation!
February 1st, 2011 at 6:07 am
I am worried Huff will walk, and I don’t think MM34 will ever be an everydown safety in this league (or at least not a good one
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Man, I hope Huff stays. Single high safety is a tough position to play; not sure there’s any potential free agent out there who could do it better. He’s really grown into the position the last two years.
I think this upcoming season will let us know if Mitchell is an every down strong safety (people who want him to move to FS are insane) or just a specialist.
February 1st, 2011 at 6:08 am
SnB PA,
Seattle is a prime candidate to draft a QB, and you have to think they will consider Locker not only for his talent but he also has the local ties and all.
You are right on the reads stuff, but I don’t think it is just for the spread offense QB’s. For instance, I think that perfectly describes Mallett, he has his one or two reads and he is throwing it there, come hell or high water.
Kind of a college football thing these days. Defenses are so creative, that they don’t want QB’s getting cute and attempting to read defenses.
February 1st, 2011 at 6:12 am
For instance, I think that perfectly describes Mallett, he has his one or two reads and he is throwing it there, come hell or high water
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Yup. And in college, he has the arm strength to just force it in there and beat the slower defensive backs. Not gonna fly in the NFL.
Say, that description reminds me of someone….
February 1st, 2011 at 6:18 am
Gotta run…..later Nation.
(Top of the morning Hwnrdr!!!)
February 1st, 2011 at 6:36 am
I think this upcoming season will let us know if Mitchell is an every down strong safety (people who want him to move to FS are insane) or just a specialist.
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If Huffy leaves they will move Branch to FS and Mitchell will play SS… at least until that fails.
February 1st, 2011 at 7:05 am
Just watched http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1640680/ again…
I can strongly recommend it
February 1st, 2011 at 7:40 am
*sigh* Okay, kids. I know that Bill Walsh didn’t spend much time in the Raiders Organization, but that has nothing to do with why people say Bill Walsh learned everything he knew about football from Al Davis. People say that because Bill Walsh said “Everything I know about football I learned from Al Davis.” And here’s the link to prove it, which I’m posting for the second time in this thread, BTW.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090816/NEWS/908169975/1057/SPORTS0908?p=4&tc=pg
February 1st, 2011 at 7:44 am
Whoever thinks that drafting Jano in the 1st round was a smart move please revert to the final minute of last season’s Arizona game.
You can draft a kicker that booms touchbacks in the 5th round. A 1st rounder would be a clutch kicker that is automatic from 40 yards in. Joe Nedney is a better FG kicker than Jano. Jano is better at kickoffs, woooho!
February 1st, 2011 at 8:01 am
# Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 7:44 am
Whoever thinks that drafting Jano in the 1st round was a smart move please revert to the final minute of last season’s Arizona game.
You can draft a kicker that booms touchbacks in the 5th round. A 1st rounder would be a clutch kicker that is automatic from 40 yards in. Joe Nedney is a better FG kicker than Jano. Jano is better at kickoffs, woooho!
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I’ve been saying this for more than 8 years!
Al sucks at drafting in the 1st round..
how many great 1st round picks have we had, lets just say since we moved to oakland??
seems to me that most of our GREATS al are from 3rd, 4th and 5th round
February 1st, 2011 at 8:09 am
Good Morning Peeps!
February 1st, 2011 at 8:12 am
^ Which is what Mel Kiper means when he says that the Raiders (read: Al Davis) have an eye for talent, but don’t get maximum value out of their position in the draft.
At least good young players are coming into the organization somehow. Once they get to the NFL, on-field production trumps where they were drafted. Still, you can’t help but look at most of the first round picks since the move to Oakland as wasted opportunities by Al.
On the other hand, the McFadden pick looks good, Asomugha pick looks great, and the Huff pick is starting to look better.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:14 am
“Slim” chance Jared Gaither re-signs with Ravens!!
Al, GO GET HIM!!
February 1st, 2011 at 8:15 am
Gotta LOVE this line or reasoning: any season short of a Super Bowl is “meaningless” and, therefore, consistent playoff appearances over a 20 year span don’t add up to one losing Super Bowl appearance. Priceless.
Even Al would choke on his strained prunes over that one. All this losing = poor attendance = less money into the coffers for talent.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:17 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 6:02 am
As far as QB’s, I think Kapernick improved himself from a 4th round or later pick, into the top 50 of the draft with his Senior Bowl week.
Yes he has some development issues to iron out, but than almost every other QB has some of this as well, and they are not as talented as Colin.
It seems the big issue, I have heard this for a few years now, on these spread-option QB’s is the footwork. And the issue with the footwork effects the sideline, outside the hash mark throws that are so important on 3rd downs.
Was, hopefully still is, a huge issue with Tebow. Throws darts with perfect volacity and accuracy BETWEEN the hashmarks, than wobbles horribly inaccurate throws outside of them.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yep. I had Kaepernick pegged as a third rounder, but now I’d say he’s a 2nd rounder without question and may sneak into the late first if a team that has a QB coming to the end of the road, but not quite there yet, falls in love with him. Seattle comes to mind.
The thing with spread QBs I find is that, besides the footwork as you mention, their systems are generally “one or two reads and then take off running.” It’s all about the system, so having to read defenses, identify blitzes, change protections and audible plays don’t really factor into what they do.
The interesting thing I see about Tebow is that he can complete short passes no problem and has a shockingly good deep ball, but his intermediate accuracy is a complete mess. Of course, those are the bread and butter throws of an NFL quarterback. If he can get that corrected, he can succeed.
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I hope he doesn’t go that early. I still am hoping we pick him up with our 3rd rounder.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:20 am
Hey all you Jared Gaither fanatics. From PFT:
“The one thing that the Ravens would need to know from Jared Gaither is something that he can’t possible tell them when they sit down to talk on Wednesday.
The Ravens need to know if they can count on Gaither to both practice and play in games for them during the 2011 season if they are going to re-sign him. That’s impossible to know in February when Gaither is coming off a year lost to a foot injury that may have resulted from his showing up at camp in poor shape as a result of back problems and unhappiness with the lack of a contract extension.
The injury problems are bad enough, but the questions about his work ethic raised by last summer’s issues have made it hard for the Ravens to put a full level of trust into Gaither. That explains why a Ravens official told Jamison Hensley of the Baltimore Sun that the chances of Gaither returning for another season were “slim.”
If Gaither does leave, the Ravens will have a big hole on the offensive line. Michael Oher was less effective as a left tackle this season than he was as a rookie on the right side, although that move was planned before Gaither’s injury. Marshal Yanda took over on the right and did okay while simultaneously making it clear he was a better fit at guard. The struggles of the offensive line were fingered as a big reason for Baltimore’s offensive slowdown down the stretch of the regular season, which means the team needs to be sure about the direction they take heading into next year.”
February 1st, 2011 at 8:22 am
My considered opinion on Gaither:
No doubt the dude is a monstrous run blocker and one of the better pass blockers you’ll find for a guy that friggin’ enormous.
BUT…he’s 6′9″, 340 pounds and has foot and back problems. Those problems, once they crop up, are hard to shake for a guy that big. Also, there have always been questions about his attitude and motivation.
I’ll say this: Hue Jackson knows him well. If Gaither is let go from Baltimore and the Raiders don’t try to sign him, that’ll tell you all you need to know.
Personally, I’d like to see a two year, incentive laden deal. I figure that’s a low-risk, potentially high-reward move.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:24 am
238.r8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 8:14 am
“Slim” chance Jared Gaither re-signs with Ravens!!
Al, GO GET HIM!!
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JG injured more often than R. Gallery, and he doesnt work as hard.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:25 am
1. Blaine Gabbert*, Missouri
2. Cam Newton*, Auburn
3. Jake Locker, Washington
4. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
5. Ryan Mallett*, Arkansas
6. Christian Ponder, QB Florida State
7. Pat Devlin, Delaware
8. Kellen Moore*, Boise State
9. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
10. Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M
* Underclassmen
This is according to About.com
If any of these QB’s were there in the 2nd for the taking who would you take?
Open to opinions!
February 1st, 2011 at 8:27 am
R8eray,
Newton and Gabbert will both be long gone by then. Possibly Mallett, depending on how he performs at the Combine and in interviews, since there are concerns about his intelligence and attitude.
Frankly, I don’t think I’d take any of the others in the 2nd except *maybe* Jake Locker and Colin Kaepernick and even then I don’t know. Would much rather see either offensive or defensive line help come in the 2nd.
Ponder or Devlin in the 3rd wouldn’t cause me to complain. Pass on everyone else. Don’t even think Kellen Moore is coming out this year.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:28 am
R8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 8:25 am
1. Blaine Gabbert*, Missouri
2. Cam Newton*, Auburn
3. Jake Locker, Washington
4. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
5. Ryan Mallett*, Arkansas
6. Christian Ponder, QB Florida State
7. Pat Devlin, Delaware
8. Kellen Moore*, Boise State
9. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
10. Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M
* Underclassmen
This is according to About.com
If any of these QB’s were there in the 2nd for the taking who would you take?
Open to opinions!
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I thought Gabbert opted to stay in college another year. Regardless, I’d take none of them in the 2nd round. I’d take any of the 1-4 in the 3rd, 5-8 in the 4th, 10 in the 6th.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:31 am
Since draft talk is starting up again, I’ll repost my ideal Raiders mock draft:
2nd round: Jurrell Casey, DT, USC. 6′1″, 305 pounds. Squatty, strong run stuffer with some ability to get after the QB.
3rd round: John Moffitt, G, Wisconsin 6′4″, 314 pounds.
Big, powerful road grader type. Once he latches on, it’s game over.
4th round: Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida 6′6″, 329 pounds. Ideal right tackle of the future; spent most of his college career there, so learning a new position would not be a problem like it is for many college left tackles who get switched to the right side in the NFL.
5th round: Pierre Allen, DE, Nebraska 6′4″, 273 pounds. Does everything good, but nothing brilliantly. Think a Jay Richardson type. Effective at sealing the edge against the run. Nice backup for Houston and can fill in for Shaughnessy in a pinch.
6th round: Tori Gurley, WR, South Carolina 6′5″, 230 pounds. Amazing physical speciman, big target, ideal possession receiver. Hands of glue. He did not have a drop the entire season.
7th round: Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama 6′2″, 222 pounds. Just injured his throwing hand during the Senior Bowl and will miss the Combine, so will probably fall. Accuracy, leadership and football smarts are all excellent. Arm is not a cannon, but I think it’s underrated. Can be prone to questionable decisions. A bit undersized for a QB.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:31 am
Also, might take Devlin the 3rd.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:32 am
I would not take any of those guys in the 2nd or even 3rd. A very, very poor QB class this year and we have needs all over both lines that could be instantly filled with a starter in the 2nd round.
If Al is not interested in bringing back Bruce and Boller, then I could see them rolling the dice on a QB towards the end of the draft in Taylor Potts, TJ Yates, Scott Tolzien or Mike Hartline.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:33 am
All this Jared Gaither talk. In case you’ve forgotten, our LT made the all rookie team, how about seeing if he improves a little bit in his second year? I think other spots on the O line and the team need more attention.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:33 am
# r8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 8:14 am
“Slim” chance Jared Gaither re-signs with Ravens!!
Al, GO GET HIM!!
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He’s injured all the time, Schilens would be called stable compared to Gaither… if ou could get him for small money, then okay, but we know we cant..
Al I say please dont go after him!
February 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am
Davy Jones Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 8:33 am
All this Jared Gaither talk. In case you’ve forgotten, our LT made the all rookie team, how about seeing if he improves a little bit in his second year? I think other spots on the O line and the team need more attention
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I think people are looking at him for right tackle.
At least I am.
Anyone wanting Gaither as a LT is crazy. Let Veldheer grow.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:35 am
SnB, So I’m assuming we’re getting a #1 WR via FA and not in the Draft?
February 1st, 2011 at 8:39 am
252.r8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 8:35 am
SnB, So I’m assuming we’re getting a #1 WR via FA and not in the Draft?
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Like it or not, Al is committed to Ford(like it), DHB (do not like it) and Murphy (reserving judgment; make or break year for him).
Might as well go get a big possession receiver that can stay healthy, unlike Schilens.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:41 am
Welcome back to LA, Raiders. Farmers Field is waiting for you.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:43 am
PA,
Like that mock draft. Would be very pleased if we had anything approaching that.
Big offseason for the old man. Had a weird feeling last year. Have a weird feeling this year. I think we’ll do allright.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:48 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 5:50 am
oo Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 12:16 am
Wherever #20 goes this off-season i pray #81 right there with him.
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What? You want Schilens to hang out with DMAC?
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DMAC spent last off-season here
http://www.perfectbalanceclinic.com/News/Perfect-Balance-Clinic-Meets-Michael-Johnson.aspx
February 1st, 2011 at 8:48 am
Al better not move them back to LA…UGGGHHH Screw Farmers…haha!
February 1st, 2011 at 8:49 am
Morning peoples!
February 1st, 2011 at 8:51 am
very nice mock, SnB-PA. I like a couple different guys, but similar positions and types. I am hoping for:
2. Phil Taylor, DT (6′4″ 340lbs)-been awhile since Al went after a DT this early, but I think the lack of elite O-lineman in the mid 2nd will force him to Plan B
3. Casey Matthews, OLB (6′1″ 230lbs)-If he can be half the football player his brother, uncle and father were, then he is well worth a 3rd round pick, and at a position of need.
4. Jalil Brown, CB (6′0″ 202lbs)-an unheralded CB in college, but he has the fluid hips that Al likes in his DB’s and enough moxy to play man-to-man.
5. Joseph Barksdale, OG (6′5″ 336lbs)-got the size to play on the Raider O-line, and Wylie can hopefully coach him up
6. Cedrick Thornton, DE (6′4″ 299lbs)-can play all over the line, like Houston and the Raiders are very interested in this kid. Might have to move up to get him, but I think Waufle will convince Al to make the move.
7. TJ Yates, QB (6′2″ 220lbs)-if he is there in the 7th, I think the Raiders get him, otherwise maybe Taylor Potts or Mike Hartline. Great developmental prospect who can ride the pine as 3rd stringer for a few years.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:52 am
Al has left the door open to LA if they build him a stadium.
He’s gotta learn that LA is Hollywood. He’s gotta be Showtime down here and Al is not Joe Hollywood.
February 1st, 2011 at 8:53 am
Someone probably has already posted it, but anyways here it is just case some of you missed it….
Davis, Vick top list of most disliked in sports.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-forbesmostdislikedinsports013110
February 1st, 2011 at 8:55 am
Might as well go get a big possession receiver that can stay healthy, unlike Schilens.
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If I was in charge of this team I would be doing everything in my power to go get VJax this offseason. Top priority. Then I would see what we could do for Palmer and let him compete (read take Jasons job) with Campbell. Draft all lineman to replace Cables scrap heap.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:01 am
Revised:
2- Stephen Wisniewski (OG/C Penn State)
3- Colin Kaepernick (QB Nevada)
4- Marcus Gilbert (OT[R] Florida)
5- Martin Parker (DT Richmond)
6- Tori Gurley (WR South Carolina)
7- D.J. Holt (ILB Cal)
Thoughts
February 1st, 2011 at 9:02 am
Mornin DMAC, 24, LA, LMN, SNB, BBB, NATION.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:03 am
Wassup dirty
February 1st, 2011 at 9:03 am
And credit to PA for drawing my attention to Gurley… I like it. Also a huge fan of Gilbert’s. Rounds 5 and 7 are my weak spots.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:04 am
Am I the only one thinking Al does not draft a QB?
Without a 1st rounder and more pressing needs ahead of QB, doubt we go that route.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:05 am
Raccoon
February 1st, 2011 at 9:05 am
Although, I must say, I like Kaepernick. Dude’s got moxie.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:06 am
Nice find SNB!
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South Carolina wide receiver Tori Gurley said Sunday that he will enter the 2011 NFL draft.
“This was the most difficult decision of my life for many reasons,” Gurley said. “My years at the University of South Carolina were the best years of my life. I fulfilled a lifelong dream to play under a Hall of Fame coach in Steve Spurrier and being a part of the Gamecock nation.
“I will forever be grateful to Coach Spurrier for my significant development as a player and a person and giving me the opportunity to play for him and to fulfill my dream of pursuing a career in the NFL.”
Gurley, a 6-foot-5, 230-pound redshirt sophomore, finished with 44 receptions for 465 yards and four touchdowns. Gurley was one of the nation’s most sure-handed receivers with no drops the entire season.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:06 am
If he didn’t look as good as he did under center at Senior Bowl workouts, I’d say fugheddaboutit, Al doesn’t go after spread-option QB, but Colin looked comfy under center and has a big arm.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:07 am
RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; Seriously, I Hate That Guy…) Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:01 am
Revised:
2- Stephen Wisniewski (OG/C Penn State)
3- Colin Kaepernick (QB Nevada)
4- Marcus Gilbert (OT[R] Florida)
5- Martin Parker (DT Richmond)
6- Tori Gurley (WR South Carolina)
7- D.J. Holt (ILB Cal)
Thoughts
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I just want everyone to stop and think about this…
Veldheer-Gallery/Wisniewski-Wisniewski/Satele-Campbell- Gilbert
drool…
February 1st, 2011 at 9:10 am
Every year at South Carolina, it seems as though some of our better underclassmen players take the potential for NFL money and run.
Last year, it was Clifton Geathers.
The year before that? Captain Munnerlyn, Emmanuel Cook and Jared Cook.
The year before that? Sidney Rice.
Could it be Tori Gurley this year? Please say it ain’t so!
There are many reasons why this would be a terrible idea for him, and I am truly hoping this is just a rumor.
Take a look at the list above. How many of those names do you actually know if you are not a South Carolina fan?
Probably just one: Sidney Rice, who is a bonafied NFL star.
Some of you may know of Captain Munnerlyn, who left his junior season and was drafted by the Carolina Panthers in the 7th round. He has played pretty well as of late, intercepting passes and becoming a dangerous threat as a punt returner.
However, was giving up his senior season, where he would have most certainly been an All-SEC candidate cover corner, really worth a 7th round draft status, a small contract and a tough road?
Clifton Geathers, who had an OK junior season, bolted and got drafted in the seventh round this year by the Cleveland Browns. He is now on his fourth team. He appeared in one Miami Dolphins home game before being banished to the practice squad.
Streeter Lecka/Getty Images Are you telling me that he wouldn’t have benefited from South Carolina’s superb season this year? He would have been a sack artist on an already tremendous defensive front.
Emmanuel Cook? He had all the talent in the world at safety. Potentially an All-American candidate for his senior year, Cook saw flashes of money his junior year and shut it down midseason. Character issues and lack of polish led him to be undrafted.
Waste of a year. He did make a practice squad for the New York Jets, but seriously? Why give up your senior year for that?
Jared Cook still has potential. Drafted in the third round of the 2009 draft by the Tennessee Titans, he has been buried in the depth chart. He has yet to make an impact. He was graded as a potential early second-rounder.
If he stayed one more year, he would have easily been a first round draft pick.
Now, we come to the rumors of Tori Gurley going pro early.
In the words of Keyshawn Johnson, “COME ON, MAN!”
Beyond the fact that you have historical evidence that these sorts of moves don’t really work out for the better, he is only a redshirt Sophomore.
You have to be a total phenom to be drafted as a redshirt sophomore. Sidney Rice did it; he was drafted in the second round.
How bad of an idea is it for Tori Gurley to go pro early?
Not so bad.
Pretty bad.
Super bad.
Career endingly bad. Submit Vote vote to see results How bad of an idea is it for Tori Gurley to go pro early?Not so bad.3.5%Pretty bad.17.4%Super bad.35.2%Career endingly bad. 44.0%Total votes: 455 Tori Gurley’s numbers for this season are 42 catches for 416 yards and four touchdowns. Those numbers will not wow NFL scouts by any means. He is still learning the wide receiver position, as he was really a basketball player before playing for the Gamecocks.
People may be attracted to his 6′ 6″ and 230 pound frame. Great—just ask Clifton Geathers what a big body can get you.
Please, Tori…stay another year. Develop your craft.
You have the chance to be an Antonio Gates type prospect down the road. We all know Alshon Jeffery steals your thunder, but you are the perfect compliment.
Get bigger. Stronger. Faster. Take some of HIS catches.
If you stick around for your senior year, there is the potential that Alshon ducks out early for the NFL. Then you would be able to establish yourself as a superstar, maybe even worthy of a top three rounds pick.
Wouldn’t that be nice?
Stick around. South Carolina is about to go on an unprecedented streak of success. Stay and be a part of it.
Your draft status will improve, as will the “cheddah” you will receive.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:10 am
What about Leonard Hankerson and Titus Young???
Anyone??
February 1st, 2011 at 9:13 am
I like Marcus Gilbert as well, also Chris Hairston, Curt Porter, Orlando Franklin and Zach Hurd. Hue is gonna bring some mack trucks in here to hopefully keep Campbell’s uni a bit cleaner this season.
What is the story with Tori Gurley?
February 1st, 2011 at 9:13 am
Cheddah!!
February 1st, 2011 at 9:14 am
Cheddah!
February 1st, 2011 at 9:15 am
BART Bridge Blues Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:13 am
I like Marcus Gilbert as well, also Chris Hairston, Curt Porter, Orlando Franklin and Zach Hurd. Hue is gonna bring some mack trucks in here to hopefully keep Campbell’s uni a bit cleaner this season.
What is the story with Tori Gurley?
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All I needed to read was “hasn’t dropped a pass all season”
February 1st, 2011 at 9:16 am
DHB hasn’t gone a whole PRACTICE without a drop!
Cheddah!
February 1st, 2011 at 9:17 am
wow, OK I am now on the Tori Gurley bandwagon. Although the chances of Al drafting a posession reciever are almost always slim to none.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:20 am
Ya’ll want depth at the DT position. What about this kid?
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ys-forbesmostdislikedinsports013110
February 1st, 2011 at 9:20 am
Sorry wrong post.
Here it is.
http://www.zimbio.com/Sione+Fua
February 1st, 2011 at 9:22 am
Bringing in the young Wiz would be…………..
CHEDDAH!!!!!!
LMAO
February 1st, 2011 at 9:22 am
Tori Gurley 2010 Stats.
14 GP
44 REC.
465 YRDS.
6 TD’s
February 1st, 2011 at 9:36 am
Michael Bush-RB-Raiders Feb. 1 – 11:16 am et
Owner Al Davis spoke at his season-ending press conference as if impending free agent Michael Bush is an integral part of the Raiders’ plans.
“The halfback, McFadden and Bush,” Davis said, “complement each other tremendously. … By the third and fourth quarter, they don’t want to tackle Bush in the secondary. They just don’t want him. He’s 250 pounds, power, speed.” New head coach Hue Jackson also called Bush and Darren McFadden a “1-2 punch” last week. It sounds like they may not let him get away.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
February 1st, 2011 at 9:40 am
If anyone is interested, here is the list of players that the Raiders scouts have shown an interest in so far at the various all-star games:
Allen Bailey, DE/DT
Gabe Carimi, OT
Kendrick Burney, CB
Roy Helu Jr, RB
Joe Lefeged, KR/PR
Casey Matthews, OLB
Jalil Brown, CB
Cedrick Thornton, DE/DT
Joseph Barksdale, OG
Phil Taylor, NT
Dontay Moch, OLB
Mike Price, DE/DT
February 1st, 2011 at 9:43 am
The other South Carolina WR, who is an underclassmen, Jefferies is going to be a top 15 pick, IMO, when he does come out.
I think we should watch for Al to take a RB in case Bush leaves (I think of all our FA’s, Bush is the most likely to leave).
Ryan Williams from Va Tech was supposed to be sure-fire 1st rounder coming into last year, but was pretty disappointing this season with injuries and off field stuff. He has top 10 draft pick talent, and if he is there at #48 and Bush leaves, I wouldn’t be disappointed.
I’m all about value in the draft, don’t like pigeonholing yourself by looking at certain positions for each round.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:43 am
26.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 31st, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Raiders have 20,000 season ticket holders? JaMarcus Russell has more people at his parties.
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The reason why they only have 20K season ticket holders, is because of one old looney stubborn man and his crappy decisions over the ast 7 years.
Lets hope Hue takes this team to the next level and the coached and scouts draft the way they did last year or at least hope the old man Al allows Hue and the scouts to draft the way they did last year.
Sheesh.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:49 am
2009 NFL draft.
While we take DHB (who was not the best prospect at his position), guys who were the unquestioned best player at their positions get drafted behind us.
BJ Raji (Best DT prospect), Alex Mack (best C prospect), Brian Orakpo (best outside pass rusher) and Malcom Jenkins (best DB prospect) all taken behind us and doing great two years into their career.
Instead Al was hellbent on drafting a WR to compliment Jamarcus (lol at that rationale) and we blow it.
The draft is like gambling, and when sports betting it is all about value.
VALUE VALUE VALUE!!!
February 1st, 2011 at 9:50 am
Farmers Insurance will own the naming rights to a new L.A. football stadium in a 30 year, $700 million deal.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:53 am
When you quote my comments from days ago, it only tells me that whatever topic I was discussing disturbs you. Why make it so easy?
February 1st, 2011 at 9:53 am
Vegas,
I understand value, but let me give an example. Say for instance, we still have Bush and DMAC on the team and we have the 12th pick of the draft and Mark Ingram is on the board. Would you draft him or draft a position of need?
February 1st, 2011 at 9:54 am
R8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:50 am
Farmers Insurance will own the naming rights to a new L.A. football stadium in a 30 year, $700 million deal.
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AL, move the Raiders back to LA!!!
February 1st, 2011 at 9:54 am
Farmers is owned by a Swiss company.
Nice way to clean up some dirty “Swiss bank account” money, eh?
February 1st, 2011 at 9:55 am
# RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…) Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:54 am
R8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:50 am
Farmers Insurance will own the naming rights to a new L.A. football stadium in a 30 year, $700 million deal.
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AL, move the Raiders back to LA!!!
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HELL TO THE NO!!!
February 1st, 2011 at 9:56 am
Vegas, $700 million…no big deal!
February 1st, 2011 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:55 am
# RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…) Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:54 am
R8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:50 am
Farmers Insurance will own the naming rights to a new L.A. football stadium in a 30 year, $700 million deal.
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AL, move the Raiders back to LA!!!
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HELL TO THE NO!!!
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Why not? [smirks mischeviously]
February 1st, 2011 at 9:57 am
DMAC,
If you already pay Bush more money (he is set for a huge pay raise from his under a million salary last year) than no you can’t do that. Otherwise if Bush leaves, you can’t take it off the table (especially since Ingram might be really good).
If not you just look at another position. At #12 you can’t take the #4 best DE or WR just because you need one, IMO.
February 1st, 2011 at 9:57 am
The sad irony in all of this:
Al hires a new head coach who shows sign after sign of being the next Gruden. Then Al takes the mike and ruins it with all of his usual hokey theatrics. So, those 30,000 potential season ticket accounts that the Raiders need to add to the dismal 20,000, to be a respectable NFL franchise, are watching and thinking they might sign up for a ticket package as Hue speaks, are suddenly brought down to reality when Al takes the mike. They hang up their phones and put their wallets back in their pockets.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:00 am
Sure. The last Raiders stint in LA was so fruitful. Empty stadiums, week after week. Oh, and if you want to blame the location of the stadium, remember that, like Oakland, when the Raiders won, they sold out. A lot of NFL stadiums have been in bad neighborhoods. The Niners are in a bad neighborhood. They still sell out.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:01 am
286.BART Bridge Blues Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:40 am
If anyone is interested, here is the list of players that the Raiders scouts have shown an interest in so far at the various all-star games:
Allen Bailey, DE/DT
Gabe Carimi, OT
Kendrick Burney, CB
Roy Helu Jr, RB
Casey Matthews, OLB
Jalil Brown, CB
Cedrick Thornton, DE/DT
Joseph Barksdale, OG
Phil Taylor, NT
Dontay Moch, OLB
Mike Price, DE/DT
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I like this list of players they have shown interest in…however I would replace Allen Bailey with OT Derek Sherrod at 6′6, 315, long arms 35 1/2 and a massive beast with great footwork.
He would start at RT for the Raiders IMMEDIATELY if we drafted him!
February 1st, 2011 at 10:01 am
Doesn’t it piss you off when you hear m’phucka’s talking about the Steeler Nation? I heard Kiesel say that schit. The Steeler what!!!!?????????
There is only one true nation and it’s the Raider Nation!
February 1st, 2011 at 10:02 am
299.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:57 am
The sad irony in all of this:
Al hires a new head coach who shows sign after sign of being the next Gruden. Then Al takes the mike and ruins it with all of his usual hokey theatrics. So, those 30,000 potential season ticket accounts that the Raiders need to add to the dismal 20,000, to be a respectable NFL franchise, are watching and thinking they might sign up for a ticket package as Hue speaks, are suddenly brought down to reality when Al takes the mike. They hang up their phones and put their wallets back in their pockets.
^^^^^^
Exactly…the old man Al blows it!
February 1st, 2011 at 10:02 am
Yankee stadium is deep in the boogie down. If you parked your car in the neighborhood you’d come back to nothing more than a frame. Still, a nose bleeder seat will cost you at least a hundred.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:04 am
Jabar Gaffney is on the trading block…anyone??
February 1st, 2011 at 10:04 am
Just read that the Raider scouts at the Texas v the Nation all star game were talking with Josh Portis, QB (6′3″ 209lbs). So they are interested in some QB’s, but I think they are looking for late-round gems.
Also, heard they are showing interest in Robert Hughes, FB/HB from ND. That is two big-bodied running backs that they have shown an interest in, so perhaps Bush is already hinting at leaving.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:04 am
No thanx.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:06 am
A lot of Raider fans are jealous of the Steelers because they’ve completely taken over the Raiders as the People’s NFL team.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:08 am
RMR,
Not jealous at all just don’t like that “Redsox nation”, “Steeler nation” bullschit. There’s still only one nation. The Raider Nation. Aren’t you part of it?
February 1st, 2011 at 10:08 am
286.BART Bridge Blues Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:40 am
If anyone is interested, here is the list of players that the Raiders scouts have shown an interest in so far at the various all-star games:
Allen Bailey, DE/DT
Gabe Carimi, OT
Kendrick Burney, CB
Roy Helu Jr, RB
Casey Matthews, OLB
Jalil Brown, CB
Cedrick Thornton, DE/DT
Joseph Barksdale, OG
Phil Taylor, NT
Dontay Moch, OLB
Mike Price, DE/DT
^^^^^^^
I like this list of players they have shown interest in…however I would replace Allen Bailey with OT Derek Sherrod at 6′6, 315, long arms 35 1/2 and a massive beast with great footwork.
He would start at RT for the Raiders IMMEDIATELY if we drafted him!
February 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am
They’re showing Tyree’s catch from the Super Bowl a couple of years ago on ESPN2. The Giants are really lucky the refs didn’t rule that incomplete. Even though it was a catch, we’ve seen refs rule catches incomplete for less. The ball hits the ground while he has that thing trapped on his helmet. And of course had the refs taken it away from it, it would be just like the tuck. Even though everyone knows it’s b.s., the media would still side with the refs and to them, it would just go down in the books as a “perfect” Patriots season.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am
GOOOOOO PACKERS!!!
February 1st, 2011 at 10:13 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 10:06 am
A lot of Raider fans are jealous of the Steelers because they’ve completely taken over the Raiders as the People’s NFL team.
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A lot of Raider ‘fans’ are apparently very jealous of 31 other NFL teams.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:13 am
DMac, I wasn’t referring to you necessarily. Just in general. The Steelers are the blue collar team of the NFL. They were in the ’70s too, to some degree, although they just couldn’t match the Raiders when it came to that fanbase. Plus Swann’s whining, and not to mention their success, made them sort of an elite status. While they were blue collar, they were kind of the Patriots-Whiners of their time, too. But not today. They are the NFL’s true blue collar franchise, and with the Rooney Rule, have left Al Davis in the dust when it comes to the advancement of black players and personnel in the league. Not to mention they have it together. There’s no crazy people running the team over there. That hurts the Raiders. Even when Al tries to make the Raiders the peoples’ team, he just misses the fine points, and winds up drafting JaMarcus Russell. And then of course thinks he helped Russell by sending Willie Brown to talk to him. LOL. Al just doesn’t get it anymore. The Steelers do. And that’s why they’re truly the people’s champion. They’re the Muhammad Ali of the modern day NFL.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:21 am
# DKnight007 Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am
GOOOOOO PACKERS!!!
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Only Skip Bayless and Don Banks could have put it better.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:25 am
RMR,
I hear you, but like I said I just don’t like that whole Nation thing. To me there’s only one nation and the rest are fugazi’s.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:26 am
DMAC, the Steelers have earned the Nation thing. The Raider Nation is a caricature of its old self.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:27 am
On Nation (Raider Nation) under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:28 am
I challenge you to name a team that represents the poor and working class more (or better) than the Steelers, in all of pro sports today.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:29 am
That’s easy.
The Raiders.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:33 am
Poorest American cities
(Population over 250,000)
Rank City Median household income, 2007
1 Detroit, MI $28,097
2 Cleveland, OH $28,512
3 Miami, FL $29,075
4 Buffalo, NY $29,706
5 Pittsburgh, PA $32,363
6 Cincinnati, OH $33,006
7 St. Louis, MO $34,191
8 Newark, NJ $34,452
9 Memphis, TN $35,143
10 Toledo, OH $35,216
February 1st, 2011 at 10:42 am
Based on that list, how about the Pistons and the Red Wings?
Challenge met!
February 1st, 2011 at 10:52 am
With most of the blue collar jobs gone from Pittsburgh, all of the steel mill jobs, and their rather strong economy based on tech industries, I’d have to say the Steelers don’t qualify anymore.
Sorry, RMR. I know you envy any NFL team that isn;t the Raiders, but it’s a tough football team, not a tough town anymore.
February 1st, 2011 at 10:57 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 10:28 am
I challenge you to name a team that represents the poor and working class more (or better) than the Steelers, in all of pro sports today.
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New Orleans Saints. They put the city on their back.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:02 am
so then become a Steelers fan and blog on their site. I actually appreciate some of your comments on here RMR but we know you hate Al and we kno he’ll continue to be the GM of the Raiders as long as he lives so why put yourself through the agony?
February 1st, 2011 at 11:07 am
Afternoon,la,inone,Davy,an RMR,Ray
February 1st, 2011 at 11:07 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 10:28 am
I challenge you to name a team that represents the poor and working class more (or better) than the Steelers, in all of pro sports today.
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New Orleans Saints. They put the city on their back.
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Green Bay Packers? Considering it is owned by the people/fans. All profits go back to the club and not wealthy owners.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:09 am
Leiweke on downtown L.A. stadium: “If you build it, they (The Raiders) will come”
February 1st, 2011 at 11:10 am
Pittsburgh 6
Oakland 3
February 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am
BTW there is only one nation, The Raider Nation
always Wil be that way. Been to Heinz field an from what I saw of the area didn’t look nowhere near what east Oakland looks like
February 1st, 2011 at 11:12 am
You guys got me on some of those teams. I concede to you. But Green Bay? Give me a break. I said working class AND poor. Green bay is working class and upper class.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:13 am
I can see the NFL poised to make Green Bay the, if you well, new New England. Green Bay is turning into a snobotorium.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:14 am
As far as the Raiders leaving Oakland, let them. Oakland deserves better.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:14 am
Nobody is building a stadium for a senile old man, sorry.
But, if he gives up control, the Raiders may be a hot property.
http://www.pittsburghsportstavern.com/forum/showthread.php/9369-Al-Davis-Looks-Great-These-Days
February 1st, 2011 at 11:19 am
If the raiders were winning consistently like when I was a kid growin up in Oakland
then them leaving wouldn’t be a topic
they’d sell out. An a knew stadium in Oakland would be in the works
win a SB an talks of new stadium will move fwd
or then the old man would be threating to move. But since there losing lately
Boone gonna talk of new diggs
February 1st, 2011 at 11:19 am
that very very fragile house of cards aka the global economic system shudders with every whisper of a breeze and in here the thought process is as to whether obscenely rich athletes and their uber-obscenely rich owners can qualitatively represent the poor and working class of their communities. interesting.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:20 am
311.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am
They’re showing Tyree’s catch from the Super Bowl a couple of years ago on ESPN2. The Giants are really lucky the refs didn’t rule that incomplete. Even though it was a catch, we’ve seen refs rule catches incomplete for less. The ball hits the ground while he has that thing trapped on his helmet. And of course had the refs taken it away from it, it would be just like the tuck. Even though everyone knows it’s b.s., the media would still side with the refs and to them, it would just go down in the books as a “perfect” Patriots season.
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Yep.
That play is also a perfect encapsulation of why I hate Joe Buck. One of the Top 5 most exciting plays in Super Bowl history and he sounds like he’s talking about the weather. I can’t help but imagine what a talented announcer like Al Michaels would’ve done with that moment.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:21 am
Can you really imagine any community welcoming this:
http://pigskinlovinglady.com/tag/oakland-raiders/
February 1st, 2011 at 11:22 am
I still contend the Raiders belong in Oakland.
There are droves of loyal Raiders fans that are poor/working class in the LA area, especially those in the Mexican communities, however, there is just too much ‘Hollywood’ influence there.
The Dodgers aren’t significant enough to really be on the radar of your average Southland resident (small pocket of die hard Doyer fans only, really) and the Kings are a hockey team, whichg should tell you all you need to know.
If those two teams are succesful, the city will pay attention for a month, then forget about it when the teams miss/lose in playoffs.
Football’s a bit different. Al is not a Hollywood guy and the identity of the Raiders reflects (or should) that of Oakland FAR more than LA as a whole.
The Raiders were (and to some extent) still are very popular in certain pockets in LA, but as a whole, LA is a Laker town and the raiders don’t have enough glitz and glamour to sustain the attention of Los Angeles.
Stay in Oakland. Get better. LA fans still got your back, Al.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:23 am
You know, the pressure on Hue Jackson this season has to be amazing. This is basically the last chance Al has to prove the Raiders can turn around and get himself a stadium built. Jackson has to deliver a winning season, not only for his own job security, but maybe for the future of the Raiders in Oakland.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:25 am
305.r8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 10:04 am
Jabar Gaffney is on the trading block…anyone??
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At this point, I’ll take any warm body with reliable hands.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:27 am
Sleeper pick in the 7th round or maybe even UDFA:
Derrell Johnson-Koulianos WR Iowa 6′0″ 200lbs 4.52s
His nickname, “DJK”, would fit perfectly with our recieving corps. Led Iowa in receptions for 3 straight years and had a great career as a kick returner. Very talented player, who had some off the field issues (drugs).
February 1st, 2011 at 11:28 am
The raiders want to have a bully image
that is oaklands image. It’s known as the town
Oakland is a well known “bully ” of a town.
Raiders will stay here were they belong
February 1st, 2011 at 11:30 am
286.BART Bridge Blues Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:40 am
If anyone is interested, here is the list of players that the Raiders scouts have shown an interest in so far at the various all-star games:
Allen Bailey, DE/DT
Gabe Carimi, OT
Kendrick Burney, CB
Roy Helu Jr, RB
Casey Matthews, OLB
Jalil Brown, CB
Cedrick Thornton, DE/DT
Joseph Barksdale, OG
Phil Taylor, NT
Dontay Moch, OLB
Mike Price, DE/DT
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Interested to see Barksdale listed as only a guard; I think he could be a pretty damn good right tackle.
No way they can get Carimi unless they trade up, but I’d just about pass out if they did.
LOVE that they’re looking at Phil Taylor. If I may blow my own horn here: I was harping on him some months ago before most people were. Saw a few Baylor games this past season (no idea why, but FSN Pittsburgh showed some) and I was amazed at the fact that a 340 pound dude was that agile. Flowed down the line to the ball and used his hands well. He’s a poor man’s Haloti Ngata.
Dontay Moch is basically Al’s wet dream. Dude can run a 4.3 40 at 240 pounds. I think he’d do better as a 3-4 OLB than in a 4-3 though. Not sure about his ability to support the run or cover.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:30 am
If u read post 335
I agree totally with u silver
February 1st, 2011 at 11:38 am
275.BART Bridge Blues Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 9:13 am
I like Marcus Gilbert as well, also Chris Hairston, Curt Porter, Orlando Franklin and Zach Hurd. Hue is gonna bring some mack trucks in here to hopefully keep Campbell’s uni a bit cleaner this season.
What is the story with Tori Gurley?
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I like Orlando Franklin. He an play RT or RG!
Barksdale can do the same.
Dontay Moch= Thomas Howard…..no thanks….I would rather have Casey Matthews playing the WLB spot, plus Matthews has a better football IQ!
February 1st, 2011 at 11:38 am
NT/DT Phil Taylor would be a solid pick in Round 2.
That guy is a BEAST!
February 1st, 2011 at 11:39 am
You guys got me on some of those teams. I concede to you. But Green Bay? Give me a break. I said working class AND poor. Green bay is working class and upper class.
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As usual, you just make crap up. Why don’t you look up the Census data? Green Bay is not an upper class city.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:39 am
I heard Barksdale struggled alot at tackle in his all-star game, so I am thinking gaurd only.
I pray Al does not draft Dontay Moch, that kid is a track star, not a football player. The film on him is embarassing, even the highlight reels dont paint a flattering picture of his skill set.
Phil Taylor reminds me a bit of Big John Henderson, too tall maybe for a true 34 NT, but perfect for a 43 DT, that is a terror against the run, and has the length to bother the QB when needed.
They are definitely looking at D-Line though, both DE’s and DT’s. Al seemed very happy with that group, but I guess Waufle has Al’s full attention, and he is asking for even more help.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:42 am
# r8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 10:33 am
Poorest American cities
(Population over 250,000)
Rank City Median household income, 2007
1 Detroit, MI $28,097
2 Cleveland, OH $28,512
3 Miami, FL $29,075
4 Buffalo, NY $29,706
5 Pittsburgh, PA $32,363
6 Cincinnati, OH $33,006
7 St. Louis, MO $34,191
8 Newark, NJ $34,452
9 Memphis, TN $35,143
10 Toledo, OH $35,216
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is that annually? I earned 40K per year when I was 19 year old..
February 1st, 2011 at 11:42 am
LA to the Bay,
Al Davis certainly IS a Hollywood guy. Why do you think he went there in the first place? Did you see the press conference recently? Al embodies Hollywood. All show, no substance. “we have the mystique”. Come September, loss, loss, loss. Al is all about showbiz.
And, here’s the cold water.
Al’s problem in LA was not that he wasn’t LA, it’s just that he wasn’t as good at showing off as people in LA are. In Oakland, Al was the man. It’s not a celebrity laden town. So Al had a small pond to compete with. In LA, he had an entire city of big shots out there who were basically out-Al Davising Al Davis, if you will.
Make no mistake, Al went to Hollywood for the same reason an aspiring actor gets off the Greyhound bus on Sunset Blvd. He had stars in his eyes. And by the mid ’90s, like most starving actors, Hollywood had chewed Al up, spit him out, and he got right back on that bus to Oakland.
But my thinking anymore is, if Al’s not going to win, he should leave Oakland. Oakland deserves winners. While some might call Oakland a “bully” culture, I don’t see it. In fact, LA’s inner city is more of a bully culture, with the aggressive, territorial gang culture. Oakland has always been about making money and surviving. And, albeit, with that comes its fair share of violence. But I don’t see the bullying mentality. I see the capitalist mentality, and it’s not good. But it’s not the territorial chaos you see in LA. I’ve walked through West Oakland before, in the ghetto. A few times, actually. I would never walk down Central avenue south of the 10 freeway in LA, ever. Because in LA, nobody gets a pass. That’s the rules down there. There’s your bully culture.
Al didn’t leave LA because LA doesn’t fit his personality. Al left LA because Al simply wasn’t good enough for them, according to the warped world of showmanship in which he lives.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:43 am
Phil Taylor would give the Raiders a long-term replacement for John Henderson (and maybe even Richard Seymour?), and would give their defense the versatility necessary to successfully implement 3-4 looks.
I would definitely not mind him being the second round pick. Surprised to see them considering a top NT prospect, but I’m glad they are.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:43 am
They are definitely looking at D-Line though, both DE’s and DT’s. Al seemed very happy with that group, but I guess Waufle has Al’s full attention, and he is asking for even more help.
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As good as the defensive line was, depth is needed.
Seymour’s status is up in the air. Will he a sign a multi-year deal? And if not, is he worth franchising again?
Kelly was brilliant this year, but could relapse into lethary and underachiever mode at any moment.
Henderson may be starting to break down and is a free agent in any case.
Desmond Bryant is a good pass rusher, but a miserable run defender.
Scott may never be that fast presence off the edge ever again after his ACL tear.
Lots of uncertainty. Glad they’re looking into adding some other pieces!
February 1st, 2011 at 11:45 am
# r8dercain Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am
BTW there is only one nation, The Raider Nation
always Wil be that way. Been to Heinz field an from what I saw of the area didn’t look nowhere near what east Oakland looks like
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So slums, poverty, and crime is appealing to you?
February 1st, 2011 at 11:46 am
If the Raiders really want to stay with their base 4-3 Cover 0 with occasional 3-4 looks, their best bet is to stop the run at the defensive line, because those linebackers are going to be in coverage more times than not.
Would still like to see more gap discipline, but that’s just not the way Al wants the Raiders to play defense. It is what it is, I suppose.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:50 am
Desmond Bryant looked better in his limited time at DE than he did at DT. But he’s a good flex player/situational pass rusher.
Depth at DE is a question mark, though. Outside of Shaughnessy and Houston, the Raiders just have Moss and Scott, with Seymour or Bryant theoretically being able to move over.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:51 am
YoungAmerican Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:50 am
Desmond Bryant looked better in his limited time at DE than he did at DT. But he’s a good flex player/situational pass rusher.
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I rather like the idea of having Bryant being a backup LDE rather than backup 3-tech.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:54 am
Sammy, what city doesn’t have slums, poverty, and crime? Oh, besides Green Bay…
February 1st, 2011 at 11:55 am
Al didn’t leave LA because LA doesn’t fit his personality. Al left LA because Al simply wasn’t good enough for them, according to the warped world of showmanship in which he lives.
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Yeah, al likes theatre, but not in the way LA has grown accustomed to.
There is no media access with the Raiders and Al is not a likeable guy. There aren’t enough bullies and fans that identify with that image in LA to sustain the city’s/area’s attention unless they’re 13-3 every year.
LA won’t stick with you through good times and bad, IMO. They want a winner and they want it to be flashy. Al’s flashy in his own sort of way, but I agree in that he’s a big fish in a small pond in Oakland, whereas in LA, they look at him sideways because he doesn’t play their game.
Good assesment though. The following statement I agree with completely:
“Al’s problem in LA was not that he wasn’t LA, it’s just that he wasn’t as good at showing off as people in LA are. In Oakland, Al was the man. It’s not a celebrity laden town. So Al had a small pond to compete with. In LA, he had an entire city of big shots out there who were basically out-Al Davising Al Davis, if you will.”
February 1st, 2011 at 11:55 am
SammyTheBull Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:45 am
# r8dercain Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am
BTW there is only one nation, The Raider Nation
always Wil be that way. Been to Heinz field an from what I saw of the area didn’t look nowhere near what east Oakland looks like
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So slums, poverty, and crime is appealing to you?
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just making a point of the argument of the steelers being the blue collar team in a blue collar town as opposed to the blue collar community of Oakland an lts image
personally I was glad to get out of the town. I now reside in beutifil oakley,ca on an acre of land. An I own a small pest control co. Keep Em Away pest eliminiation. Of which I employ uber privelige youths from Oakland “the town”.
No Oakland is not pretty bit it’s my home town
February 1st, 2011 at 11:56 am
And why does a city have to be appealing for a sports franchise to move there? When was Oakland ever appealing? What was so appealing about Buffalo when they won 4 straight AFC titles? Buffalo has been described as the most miserable place on earth by several former and current residents. It snows, it’s just populated enough to where you have a bunch of rude jerks you’d get in the city, and there’s nothing to do. It’s Sacramento with a ton of snow. LOL.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:56 am
Looks like atdhe has been shut down. Going to need to find a new place to watch the games
February 1st, 2011 at 11:56 am
Some of you guys are pretty hokey with the “Raiders should stay in Oakland because it’s a tough town” stuff.
This isn’t 5th grade.
Football is big business, and of the 32 teams no team runs their business worse than the Raiders.
Just a simple fact. A fact that continues to bite the team in the ass.
Broken record alert!!-No city will have a single thing to do with the Raiders as long as Al Davis is alive.
He screwed over Oakland. Total bust in LA. Screwed over Irwindale. Then screwed over Oakland, especially the county of Alameda, upon returning.
Zero cities want to deal with Al Davis. None. Nada.
Doomed to mediocrity until Father Time catches up.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:56 am
LA To TheBay Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:55 am
Al didn’t leave LA because LA doesn’t fit his personality. Al left LA because Al simply wasn’t good enough for them, according to the warped world of showmanship in which he lives.
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Yeah, al likes theatre, but not in the way LA has grown accustomed to.
There is no media access with the Raiders and Al is not a likeable guy. There aren’t enough bullies and fans that identify with that image in LA to sustain the city’s/area’s attention unless they’re 13-3 every year.
LA won’t stick with you through good times and bad, IMO. They want a winner and they want it to be flashy. Al’s flashy in his own sort of way, but I agree in that he’s a big fish in a small pond in Oakland, whereas in LA, they look at him sideways because he doesn’t play their game.
Good assesment though. The following statement I agree with completely:
“Al’s problem in LA was not that he wasn’t LA, it’s just that he wasn’t as good at showing off as people in LA are. In Oakland, Al was the man. It’s not a celebrity laden town. So Al had a small pond to compete with. In LA, he had an entire city of big shots out there who were basically out-Al Davising Al Davis, if you will.”
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Nation, I have a solution…
The Memphis Raiders.
February 1st, 2011 at 11:57 am
Sorry for the mispelling
iPhone’s
February 1st, 2011 at 11:57 am
LAtotheBay, Al went to LA for the same reason anyone else does, and he got chewed up and spit out like so many of them do. I’m sorry. But those who are “above” LA, simply want nothing to do with that town outside of the occasional Disneyland trip.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:00 pm
2) DT/NT Phil Taylor (Baylor)
3) OG/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin)
4) OT Marcus Gilbert (Florida)
5) C/OG Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU)
6) DE/DT Cedrick Thornton (Southern Arkansas)
7) RB Robert Hughes (Notre Dame)
Then try like hell to bring Miller, Asomugha, Seymour, Wimbley, Huff, Routt, Reece, Condo and Cartwright all back into the fold.
If Huff walks, sign Jarrad Page to compete with Stevie Brown.
If Asomugha walks, sign Jonathan Joseph.
If Routt walks, sign Richard Marshall.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:01 pm
# r8dercain Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:55 am
SammyTheBull Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:45 am
# r8dercain Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am
BTW there is only one nation, The Raider Nation
always Wil be that way. Been to Heinz field an from what I saw of the area didn’t look nowhere near what east Oakland looks like
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So slums, poverty, and crime is appealing to you?
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just making a point of the argument of the steelers being the blue collar team in a blue collar town as opposed to the blue collar community of Oakland an lts image
personally I was glad to get out of the town. I now reside in beutifil oakley,ca on an acre of land. An I own a small pest control co. Keep Em Away pest eliminiation. Of which I employ uber privelige youths from Oakland “the town”.
No Oakland is not pretty bit it’s my home town
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Ya, I know what ya mean. But Oakland isn’t even a blue collar town, as in there’s no industry there. Even the docks aren’t in Oakland, as much as Alameda, I believe.
Oakley’s nice. Launched from the area many times.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:02 pm
There’s not much gray area with Los Angeles. You’re either on their nuts, or you’re only there when you have to be there, business, family Disneyland trip, etc. Al made the decision to move there, and stayed for years, even when people weren’t showing up to games. So don’t tell me it’s business, either. I mean, after the first couple of years, he was already having trouble selling out the coliseum. If his LA adventure were a business one, he’d have been gone by 1990. And, the talks of the Raiders moving back to Oakland started way before that. And they started for a reason…everyone with a brain knew even at that point that LA was not working out for the Raiders. Al didn’t want to give up. Al’s on LA’s nuts. Goes back to his Charger days. His connections to USC. He always wanted to make his mark in tinseltown.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:04 pm
And when you consider the timing of Al first moving the Raiders to LA, you have to wonder if that was his plan all along, when he took the team from Valley.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:08 pm
KCAL 9 Los Angeles is reporting potential teams that might move to L.A. Farmer’s Field.
Oakland
San Diego
Minnesota
Jacksonville
Super Bowl projected 2016!!
February 1st, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Al went to LA because he believed in the hype of millions of Raider fans, all clamoring to support the Silver and Black. He bluffed. Alameda called his bluff. Went south, thinking the Nation would fill the coliseum.
Found out the hard way that his fan base was in NorCal.
Leaving rubbed a lot of longtime diehards wrong.
Hungry for football, any football, many went to Niner games just to watch football.
And the rest is history.
Many never came back.
And when Al did, he proceeded to screw over everyone.
and has been downhill ever since.
Al stupidly believed he could screw over even his fans, and that they’re were enough to still fill the HOT.
We know how that turned out
February 1st, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Aaron Rodgers’ trip to the Super Bowl has to be a harsh reminder of a mistake made by many of the 23 teams that bypassed Rodgers in the 2005 draft. The Cal product was taken by Green Bay with the No. 24 overall pick. He has become an elite-level player.
Oakland, No. 23: This is where it hurts. The Raiders moved up to No. 23. They earlier traded the No. 7 pick to Minnesota in the Randy Moss trade. It appeared that Oakland would end Rodgers’ fall and keep him in the East Bay. Instead, Oakland took cornerback Fabian Washington. Instead of a taking a franchise quarterback-in-waiting, the Raiders — who were entering the second season of an uninspiring two-season Kerry Collins era — took the speedy Washington out of Nebraska. Washington was traded to Baltimore for a fourth-round draft pick after three seasons. While Oakland didn’t whiff on Rodgers as badly as San Francisco, you have to wonder where this franchise would be now had the Raiders addressed a need and pleased the home folks by taking Rodgers instead taking Washington.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Sammy,
Oakland used to be known as a blue collar town back in the 70’s
not so much as industrial but people wise
my grandpa worked at naval air station an grandma at Owens-illinois glass co.
If your old enough to remeber those days
February 1st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 12:02 pm
There’s not much gray area with Los Angeles. You’re either on their nuts, or you’re only there when you have to be there, business, family Disneyland trip, etc. Al made the decision to move there, and stayed for years, even when people weren’t showing up to games. So don’t tell me it’s business, either. I mean, after the first couple of years, he was already having trouble selling out the coliseum. If his LA adventure were a business one, he’d have been gone by 1990. And, the talks of the Raiders moving back to Oakland started way before that. And they started for a reason…everyone with a brain knew even at that point that LA was not working out for the Raiders. Al didn’t want to give up. Al’s on LA’s nuts. Goes back to his Charger days. His connections to USC. He always wanted to make his mark in tinseltown.
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I believe it was Howie Long that said Al felt the Raiders market themselves, but in Hollywood (and I refer to the LA sports market in that manner, because to succeed, you have to “be Hollywood,” not neccecarily referring to location geographically), you have to market.
And you have to win. If you’re npot allowing media access and you’re constantly tied up in legal matters, for the team to sell itself, they have to be good.
LA embraced the Raiders as a winner, and as soon as they became even mediocre, the fanfare was gone. In a venue like the coliseum, you have to go big or (as he did) go home.
The Clippers are the only LA business model that succeeds without winning, essentially because they’re not in the business of winning to make money, they’re in the business of profit with low overhead.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:14 pm
R8eray Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 12:08 pm
KCAL 9 Los Angeles is reporting potential teams that might move to L.A. Farmer’s Field.
Oakland
San Diego
Minnesota
Jacksonville
Super Bowl projected 2016!!
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in reality oaklands in the picture but not really that just so the Oakland city council takes notice an starts talk of a new stadium here
bargaining chips,nothing more
February 1st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
But I still contend that the Raiders at least SHOULD reflect the identity of Oakland rather than LA.
The core of LA is hard to pinpoint, because its so big and spread out. Is it Hollwood? Is it the Beach Boys’ fun in the sun, care free dream of LA? Is it the violence of South Central? The feeling of being in a different country like in E. LA? Is it the Valley, which is the biggest non-city to ever exist?
To the outsider, most would say Hollywood. To someone who sees the underbelly of the city, they would say South Central. The middle class would say the Valley.
The Raiders will always be the LA Raiders in some fashion to me, but I think the Raiders belong in Oakland. I think Oakland needs the Raiders and needs them to be good.
LA doesn’t need the Raiders.
February 1st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Bresnahan as DC?
February 1st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
SammyTheBull Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Al went to LA because he believed in the hype of millions of Raider fans, all clamoring to support the Silver and Black. He bluffed. Alameda called his bluff. Went south, thinking the Nation would fill the coliseum.
Found out the hard way that his fan base was in NorCal.
Leaving rubbed a lot of longtime diehards wrong.
Hungry for football, any football, many went to Niner games just to watch football.
And the rest is history.
Many never came back.
And when Al did, he proceeded to screw over everyone.
and has been downhill ever since.
Al stupidly believed he could screw over even his fans, and that they’re were enough to still fill the HOT.
We know how that turned out
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yep that sums it up rite there. You said it
I saw it. Damn if that ain’t the truth
February 1st, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Looks like Chuck is back running the defense…
February 1st, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Need to see video….
Raiders in SB “L”(50)!!!!????
Farmer’s Field?
Los Angeles Raiders?
It’s all making sense, now!
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/L_A__to_Host_Super_Bowl_in_2016__Los_Angeles.html
February 1st, 2011 at 12:22 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
But I still contend that the Raiders at least SHOULD reflect the identity of Oakland rather than LA.
The core of LA is hard to pinpoint, because its so big and spread out. Is it Hollwood? Is it the Beach Boys’ fun in the sun, care free dream of LA? Is it the violence of South Central? The feeling of being in a different country like in E. LA? Is it the Valley, which is the biggest non-city to ever exist?
To the outsider, most would say Hollywood. To someone who sees the underbelly of the city, they would say South Central. The middle class would say the Valley.
The Raiders will always be the LA Raiders in some fashion to me, but I think the Raiders belong in Oakland. I think Oakland needs the Raiders and needs them to be good.
LA doesn’t need the Raiders.
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That’s RIGHT!!!!!
The Raiders need L.A.!
February 1st, 2011 at 12:27 pm
What the heck is defensive coach???? Does that mean DC????
February 1st, 2011 at 12:28 pm
That’s what I’m trying to figure out…
February 1st, 2011 at 12:31 pm
362.raidergo Says:
February 1st, 2011 at 11:56 am
Looks like atdhe has been shut down. Going to need to find a new place to watch the games
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That suxs I love plugin it into my big screen and watching it when I couldnt go to the games
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