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If not Branch, then no Brown, either

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Bay Area News group columnist Monte Poole makes the case in today’s publications that former Raiders wide receiver Tim Brown is no lock to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame this weekend.

I’ll go Monte one better and say Brown shouldn’t make it.

Brown may deserve to go in one day, but not until Cliff Branch gets there first.

And Branch, who didn’t make the cut list, isn’t going in any time soon.

Al Davis makes yearly pleas for Jim Plunkett, and to a lesser extent Tom Flores.

Many of you can’t imagine why Ken Stabler hasn’t made the grade.

Branch seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle of great Raiders despite being a vertical threat into his 30s and posting numbers (501 receptions, 8,685 yards, 67 touchdowns) that dwarfed those of Lynn Swann (336 receptions, 5,462 yards, 51 touchdowns). He was the essence of the Raiders’ vertical passing game that Davis is to this day still trying to recapture.

For those who don’t think Branch had the kind of huge, career-capturing moment which Swann did during his NFL Films Super Bowl highlight reel, you weren’t in attendance the day he made a diving catch of an underthrown Ken Stabler bomb, then got up and completed an 72-yard touchdown play in the Sea of Hands game. He had three touchdowns in three Super Bowl wins _ the same number Swann scored in four Super Bowl wins.

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Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • 148.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 5:39 pm
    He’s got webbed hands though, Raccoon.

    ***************

    LOL Yes, yes he does. Kinda hyper extended, webbed, broke, tweeked

  • J Hill

    We need a real FB!

    Watching Reese “block” is laughable!

  • TerrapinRaider

    TerrapinRaider Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    THE most overrated coaches in todays game accd’g to the Terrapin:

    1. Jeff Fisher
    2. Herm Edwards

    ********************************

    Wait wait wait wait wait …i have to correct this..!

    The most overrated coaches in today’s game accd’g to the Terrapin:

    1. Tom ‘freakin’ Cable ..lololol
    2. Jeff Fisher
    3. Herm Edwards

  • I’d rather have Gruden in control of personnel than Al Davis. Any day.

  • edward teach

    Thought this was interesting, given Swann being in the Hall of Fame and all;

    Career stats, COMBINED, for John Stallworth and Lynn Swann;

    873 catches 14,185 yards 114 TDs

    Career stats, Hines Ward;

    954 catches 11,702 yards 83 touchdowns

  • TerrapinRaider

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm
    I’d rather have Gruden in control of personnel than Al Davis. Any day.

    **********************************

    LMAO ..accidently clicked on your hotlink and page pops up “Al Davis Sucks” LOL ..OK I know where you are comin from.

    Gruden in charge of the roster??? ….Lets seeeee …that gets you Bruce Gradkowski, Brian Griese, Jeff Garcia, Josh Johnson and Luke McCown ALL ON THE ROSTER AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!

    LOL …yeah, good luck with that

  • TerrapinRaider

    Dude carried 5 QBs man …lmao!!!

  • Swann made a helluva lot of acrobatic catches, many over the middle, I must say. He took some shots, some from Jack Tatum.

  • aig-raiders

    dang good argument you make for Branch there Jerry.

  • GoodOle00

    160. Swann was soft.

    Brown probably won’t get in. Some good WRs in line with him this year.

    Besides, the HOF won’t get all the people in there who should be in there as long as writers who NEVER PLAYED THE GAME are allowed to decide.

    No offense Jerry, but its bull

  • RaiderRetribution

    RMR you would rather have Hitler or Stalin in the oval office, so who cares what you think.

  • On Wednesday, Treasury announced that Fifth Third Bancorp of Cincinnati had fully repaid its outstanding $3.4 billion loan. That means banks have paid the government $243 billion of the original $245 billion in TARP loans.

    Not every bank has repaid the government, but Treasury is making a mint off the interest. The department currently estimates that TARP bank loans will ultimately provide a lifetime profit of nearly $20 billion to taxpayers.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/02/news/economy/tarp/index.htm

  • Raider Beto

    Wow so T. Brown isn’t going in? Who does all these votings?
    I still don’t know why Cliff Branch or Plunkett isn’t in & they’re all over here talking about Big Ben becoming a HOF !!!!
    PLEASE !

  • TerrapinRaider

    What the???? I guess the President’s name has been blocked in here ..huh

    OK.. I won’t get into it then

  • SilverNBlackPA

    The ultimate Raider:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQep2kERKnw

    “I’ve never been afraid of anything. I could play against King Kong, I think, and we’ve have a battle.”

    Awesome.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Ron Wolf talking about Art Shell:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTgWZgoVZvc

    Super Bowl XI may be the single greatest game a left tackle has ever played.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    LMAO, Ted Hendricks was SO awesome

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKwjO9gnglg

    (I’ll stop posting these now)

  • The term originated in Oakland to describe both Northern and Southern Californian Raider fans shortly after the team’s return from Los Angeles to the Bay Area. The term first represented the whole of California being the Raider Nation, but was quickly expanded because there are Raider fans world wide.

    In fact, adding the term “nation” to a sports team is an original idea from the Oakland Raider fans who are the most loyal, loud and proud fans in all of sports. Therefore, pretender “nations” like the Red Sox “Nation” are made up of fraudulent fans who plagarize the Raiders.

  • ohioraider

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    I find it disheartening when Raider fans grips about individualists in the league today. Here’s a franchise in the Oakland Raiders that has historically prided itself on individuality, and left uniformity to others, a concept that’s both helped and hurt the team throughout history, but nonetheless, is and always will be the organizational concept so long as Al’s alive. Then they take pride in an owner who separates himself from the other owners. Yet for some reason, the players taking on a distinctive personality and image for some reason bothers them. Doesn’t make sense.
    ————————————————-
    You may have noticed that at heart Al apologists are nothing if not uncritically thinking conformists, selectively factual, and are comforted by the notion of an omnipotent leader who “does things his way.” Foot soldiers who readily fall in behind the company line. I swear I’ve never seen anything like it.

  • The Revolution Will Be Televised!

  • priesttj

    Finally Jerry this is something we agree on. I’ve said amny times that Branch was a better player than Timmie Brown. This is not a knock on Tim it’s correct recognition for what kind of rec Cliff was. He was a devastating WR at one time one of the most feared in the game because of his speed.

    Branch scared the crap out of DC’s around the league because they knew if he got behind them which he often did a big play or 6 points were on the board. Like the SB vs the Redskins at the twilight of his career he opened up the running game for Marcus Allen. We had Willie lumplump on the other side but with Branch they had to keep a man deep. Thus the running lanes for Marcus Allen. That theory still works even today with guys like DeSean Jackson and so forth.

  • GoodOle00

    Al is ALL.

    That is all.

  • Ohioraider Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    You may have noticed that at heart Al apologists are nothing if not uncritically thinking conformists, selectively factual, and are comforted by the notion of an omnipotent leader who “does things his way.” Foot soldiers who readily fall in behind the company line. I swear I’ve never seen anything like it.
    ————————————–
    This “Cultish” mentality is what Al Davis and his Organization is all about. Propagating the Greatness of Al Davis.

    The great players, mere props.

    Imo, this took off during the LA period. The old locals know better.

  • No Lo

    2-2-11

    Raider Nation. Give me a break. Tim Brown over Stabler, Plunkett, Guy, Branch, Flores. Give me a fing break.

    AD: “Herrera. Call a press conference in LA. I own LA. I think.”
    H: “Mr. Davis, I think that LA was about”
    AD: “Herrera. Shut the fu up. We’re moving to Irwindale.”

  • priesttj

    Expecially for those who obsess over Al Davis. They come in here everyday with him on their mind. They want to know everytime he farts.

  • olinesux

    scrw the media and nbc…

  • djohnnyg

    14.KoolKell Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 1:46 pm
    I think Tim Brown’s number’s are more deserving than Cliff Branch’s. 4th leading WR all time.

    Lynn Swann in the HOF is a disgrace.

    But what about that ONE big catch he made in the Super Bowl?

    By the way, when is David Tyree up for induction?

  • G…

    – I believe Cliff Branch’s numbers are better than Stallworths as well.

    – Raiders who should be automatic locks for the HOF:
    * Lester Hayes(he’s not the only one of that era who utilized gobs of stickum a whole bunch of players did)
    * Cliff Branch (The Raider are known for the Bomb but we cannot forget that they ran the ball a heck of alot as well CB’s number are very good for the times)
    * Tim Brown (never one a SB but neither did Fouts, Marino, Tarkenton, Alworth …the list continues)

  • Lynn Swann made a lot of big catches, many over the middle, at a time when they were laying EMFer’s out.

    But, what 300 something catches????

  • djohnnyg

    173.priesttj Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 7:01 pm
    Finally Jerry this is something we agree on. I’ve said amny times that Branch was a better player than Timmie Brown. This is not a knock on Tim it’s correct recognition for what kind of rec Cliff was. He was a devastating WR at one time one of the most feared in the game because of his speed.

    Branch scared the crap out of DC’s around the league because they knew if he got behind them which he often did a big play or 6 points were on the board. Like the SB vs the Redskins at the twilight of his career he opened up the running game for Marcus Allen. We had Willie lumplump on the other side but with Branch they had to keep a man deep. Thus the running lanes for Marcus Allen. That theory still works even today with guys like DeSean Jackson and so forth.

    You would think that the vertical passing game would work EVEN BETTER in today’s NFL with the newer rules regarding defensive contact etc.

    No reason the Raiders shouldn’t take advantage of that especially with the fastest WR’s in the league in DHB and Ford.

    Oh, but they DO need a QB to throw it there.

  • In the AFC title game against the Oakland Raiders George Atkinson lit him up with a vicious hit. He suffered a severe concussion that forced him to spend two days in a hospital, but surprised many by returning to play for Super Bowl X. Swann recorded four catches for a Super Bowl record 161 yards and a touchdown in the game, assisting the Steelers to a 21–17 win and becoming the first wide receiver to earn Super Bowl MVP honors.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Swann

  • hwnrdr

    Wasn’t it the year that stick ‘um was banned that Lester Hayes had the most int’s? LOL…even Freddie B used a lot of that crap…

  • J Hill

    Greg Bedard of the Boston Globe reports that the league has informed all NFL teams that the franchise tag will be available this offseason, beginning February 10.

    Teams were previously operating under this assumption. Confirmation came today.

    ——————————————————

    Who gets tagged??

    Seymour = franchise

    Huff = transitional???

  • Djohnnyg Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    You would think that the vertical passing game would work EVEN BETTER in today’s NFL with the newer rules regarding defensive contact etc.

    No reason the Raiders shouldn’t take advantage of that especially with the fastest WR’s in the league in DHB and Ford.

    Oh, but they DO need a QB to throw it there.
    ——————————————-
    Oh yeah. They say it’s a passing league now. But you need Davis’ input on why his speed and strong armed QB’s haven’t been able to take advantage of it.

  • hwnrdr

    Kell, Lynn Swann was a great receiver, but for him to be in the Hall and Branch not is just sickening!

  • phatcable

    they just found out in eygpt that tom cable was fired and they are rioting!

  • Thec07

    The Snake <——- Greatest Of all times…
    Played when football was real, and truly VIOLENT…

  • Thec07

    KoolKell Says:
    February 2nd, 2011 at 7:32 pm
    Lynn Swann made a lot of big catches, many over the middle, at a time when they were laying EMFer’s out

    +++++++++++++++=

    Truth… That was when football was a mans game, not this sissy protect the QB ish….

  • djohnnyg

    I acknowledge Swann made MORE than just the one catch but the main thing he’s known for is that acrobatic catch in the SB against Dallas.

    If you insist on validating him, then there are MANY more we need to take a look at.

    Branch made some fantastic catches as well and has MUCH better stats overall.

    Even legit SB stats.

  • Thec07

    I am not sure any of the modern day QB’s can go back and play in the league during the 70’s….

    Imagine tom brady dropping back to pass….He is the type of guy that would have been getting jacked up every game…However he would have never survived the 70’s raiders team….Non of these sissys would have…

  • djohnnyg

    Truth… That was when football was a mans game, not this sissy protect the QB ish….

    Expect much more “sissi-ness” with Goodell at the helm.

    Now he’s trying to outlaw saying negative things about opponents prior to, during, and after the games.

  • Thec07

    Expect much more “sissi-ness” with Goodell at the helm.

    Now he’s trying to outlaw saying negative things about opponents prior to, during, and after the games.
    +++++++++++

    Ridiculous… Goodell needs to leave well enough alone…Violence on the field is what makes the NFL the NFL…

  • If it’s just numbers then, No, I don’t think either belong.
    If it’s public impact, then I think they both belong.

    I don’t know what the criteria is.

  • Thec07

    I got to get the hell outta dodge…Its been fun…Adios ….1 NATION…

  • Grudens brother to be the next OC for the Bengals!

  • Gruden to be OC in Cincy.

    Jay Gruden that is.

  • RaiderfanNY

    Both Branch and Brown deserve to be in the Hall. Each was among the best players of their era.

    Branch was better than Swann and Stallworth. He was also better than Bob Hayes, another Hall of Famer from that era (371 catches, 7,441 yards, 71 TDs), and he was as good as Hall of Famer Paul Warfield (427, 8,565, 85).

    Branch was at his best in big games. If you watched the Raiders during that era, you know he made many great catches on poorly thrown Stabler passes.

    Unfortunately, Jerry is wrong about Branch’s semi-famous catch in the Sea of Hands game. Replays clearly show that the ball went through Branch’s hands and he scooped it off the ground.

    Regardless, Branch unquestionably deserves to be in the Hall.

    So does Tim Brown — although it’s harder to make a case for him. Why? Because he played on a lot of mediocre teams and played in few big games that people watched and remember.

    If anything, people remember him dropping a key first-down pass early in the Super Bowl loss to Tampa.

    What made Brown great was all his 2 TD and 3 TD games in close losses — when he kept the Raiders in the game by himself, even though defenses knew he would get the ball in every key spot. But who saw those games?

    Had Brown played for San Fran and Jerry Rice for the Raiders, Brown would be regarded as one of the best players in history and would have been a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

  • jkmaster

    Its a travesty that Cliff Branch is not in the HOF! He has better stats then Swan, Stalworth and Monk! If I am not mistaken, he still holds the most yards per catch average! He has 3 rings with the same team over 2 decades! I just don’t understand it, yet they consider the likes of Dion Sanders? Give me a break. Both Tim and Cliff need to be in, Cliff before Tim would be appropriate!

  • McRaider5150

    I might be late, but this post makes no since, so we don’t want another raider in the HOF until Branch get in????

    That is just plan stupid. I agree that Branch not being in is a crime, but to say no one else should be in until he is, doesn’t fix that.

  • subichero

    It’s does not make sense that Cliff Branch is not in the hall of fame…The era that he played in with the battles against the Steelers and other teams when they didn’t have all of these rules, when they played real football this dude was the man. How many games did we all watch Stabler work the 2 min clock and Cliff coming up with big catches and he did not slow down once Plunkett came on board. He is a HOF but he is a Raider and that’s the problem. We need a Raider Stadium so we can build our own Hall of Fame!!!!