Seymour tag probably inevitable
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, February 3rd, 2011 at 2:46 pm in Oakland Raiders.
NFL teams have been notified they can begin using the franchise tag as of Feb. 10, while the NFLPA isn’t so sure.
In the event of a lockout, whether a player is tagged or not isn’t going to matter much.
Whenever tags are available, it’s looking like the Raiders have every intention of using it again on defensive tackle Richard Seymour.
By virtue of having received the franchise tag last season, Seymour is due a minimum of 20 percent more than he received last season _ just under $14.9 million.
Raiders owner Al Davis was non-committal about bringing back Nnamdi Asomugha at the Jan. 18 press conference announcing the hire of Hue Jackson, conceding it might be a better idea to bring in two or three players at the approximately $17 million it would have cost to pay Asomugha had his contract not voided automatically.
Might the Raiders take the same view regarding Seymour? Lamarr Houston, the second-round pick out of Texas, was playing a lot of three-technique in Seymour’s absence over the last two games of the season and second-year man Desmond Bryant had a very strong finale.
Saving the yearly spending on Asomugha and Seymour could be spread among new players in whatever form free agency takes as well as locking up some of their own.
During the same press conference, however, Davis made a point of defending the trade he made to bring Seymour in from the Patriots for a first-round pick in the 2011 draft. Walk away from Seymour now and Davis traded a first-round draft pick for 29 games and 9.5 sacks. Jackson has made glowing references to Seymour in two radio interviews, an indication the five-time Pro Bowl selection is still in their plans.
The general feeling is that if and when a CBA is reached, franchise players will still be a part of the process. And the feeling here is Seymour will be a Raider under the franchise tag for another year.
[You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.]
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Two weeks ago, when Dan Rooney, now the United States ambassador to Ireland, returned to Pittsburgh for the A.F.C. championship game, he spoke to a handful of reporters about the N.F.L.’s labor strife. During that conversation he offered a bombshell of a quote that summed up the Steelers’ ability to take the long view of success.
“I’d rather not have the money,” Rooney said about the proposed 18-game regular season.
That comment snapped a few heads around the league, particularly among owners who would rather have the money. But Rooney wonders why it is necessary to change something — 16 games for 32 teams — that has worked successfully for years. It is a mind-set the Steelers have leaned on in the past: do not make sea-change decisions in haste.
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:50 pm
2ND WOW
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:51 pm
If Rooney doesn’t want the money, maybe he can put it in legal aide fund for his Quarterback.
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Walk away from Seymour now and Davis traded a first-round draft pick for 29 games and 9.5 sacks
***
Who cares ???
Look at all the money he blew on Javon Walker, Gibril Wilson, Kwame Harris & DeAngelo Hall!
Look at the picks & cash he wasted on Russell & DHB!
He wont spend $17 million on the best cover corner in the league, but he’ll spend $15 million on a DT that allowed our Run D to finish 31st in 2009 & 29th in 2010 ??? Big Rich takes WAY too many plays off and he missed some games last season due to various injuries
I like him both as a man and a player, but he ain’t worth this kind of money at this stage in his career, regardless of Pro Bowl voting (see Young, Vince)
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Re-sign Seymour & Wimbley.
Re-sign Huff & Asomugha.
… but do NOT use the franchise tag on any of these guys! if Al Davis has another “secret GM” for an 8-month hoorah, he should be well aware of a player’s worth on the open market
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Defensive line was maybe our best unit last year (I would put them 2nd behind RB’s) and Seymour is the best player on that unit.
Not sure why everyone wants to change everything!!!
Get rid of Seymour, move Veldheer to C, start Campbell at RG no matter what, move Mario to RT, move Reece to TE, start MM34 at FS, move Huff to DB, change from the ZBS, go to the 3-4, and on and on……
How about keep the people who do their job (like Seymour) and replace the guys that don’t?
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:58 pm
What they should have done was give him a contract extention…instead of paying him 15 million for one more year!
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm
RR,
Maybe Al has to use the franchise because he knows he will have to overpay for a long term contract anyway.
So this allows him to only have to overpay one year at a time, lol.
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 2:57 pm
How about keep the people who do their job (like Seymour) and replace the guys that don’t?
——————————
Exactly.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:00 pm
I was watching the clip of Big Rich punching Rapistberger . It was awesome ! He should get 10 mill just for that …
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:02 pm
this allows him to only have to overpay one year at a time
***
LOL
Davis economics
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Keeping Seymour around is a NO BRAINER!
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Tag him again?
Do it just to be safe, but once CBA is reached, sign him long term, get that cap number down and free up some space for some other guys.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:12 pm
You know what…pay the 20 million. I DONT CARE!!
OVER PAY EVERYONE ON OUR ROSTER..I DONT CARE!!
ITS NOT MY MONEY..ITS AL’S!!
HE OVER PAYS FOR GUYS WHO ARENT WORTH ISH AND LETS OTHERS (NNAMDI) WALK!!??
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Murphy says he’ll be sporting these kicks next season…
http://yfrog.com/h32gkbhj
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
I like the idea of an 18 game regular season.
Eliminate 2, or maybe even all, of the pre-season games and the players don’t wind up playing a longer season or taking more snaps.
This would put an increased emphasis on in-house player evaluations and the ability of a coaching staff to more rapidly prepare for the regular season, but is easily doable.
We’d get to see 2 more weeks of meaningful Raider/NFL action.
Wish that the 2010 season was 2 weeks longer. Might have extended the agony of watching the Raids fall short of the playoffs…or maybe they would have emerged as AFC West champs.
Either way, it would have been exciting to see.
Bring on the 18 game regular season.
JaJason sucks.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Good to see Lou working on the critical components of his game in the offseason.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
When Nmandi isn’t around, we’re all going to see how important he was in a defense that plays man-to-man defense 80% of the time. Lack of stats for the corner position are deceiving…just because he doesn’t have a lot of INTs doesn’t mean anything. Just wait until we have to put Routt on #1 receivers all day long and we’ll be in for a looooong day…If I had to choose between Nmandi and Seymour, I’d chose Nmandi all day long. But since it’s not my money…sign both. Anybody who thinks Seymour is lazy and didn’t do a great job just because he didn’t rack up a ton of sacks doesn’t know football. The hurries, tackles for losses are just as important and Seymour disrupted the backfield more than any Raider D-lineman has in a long time.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Let Aso and Seymour walk.
Use the $31 million dollars to sign a top rate quarterback or some players who can stop the run.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:21 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Good to see Lou working on the critical components of his game in the offseason.
…..
lol… I’m sure the shoes will help his confidence.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Check out the newest video from Rap Is A Joke. This Sh1t is Garbage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ush1LEclIYI
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Kirk Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Let Aso and Seymour walk.
Use the $31 million dollars to sign a top rate quarterback or some players who can stop the run.
————————–
Like who, for instance?
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:25 pm
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Oakland Raiders Buzz, Oakland Raiders News, Southwestconnection, Nathan Delgado, RAIDERSRSS and others. RAIDERSRSS said: IBA: Seymour tag probably inevitable http://bit.ly/i0nOAu [...]
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:25 pm
It’s one thing to say use the money on a top QB but who’s actually available to pay the money too?
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Mock Draft V1.2
2. Phil Taylor
3. Casey Matthews
4. Chris Hairston, Marcus Gilbert, John Moffitt
5. Cedrick Thornton
6. Zane Taylor
7. Taylor Potts
FA. Mike Price
FA. Joe Lefeged
^^^^^^^
Like this Raider mock!
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:34 pm
19.Kirk Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Let Aso and Seymour walk.
Use the $31 million dollars to sign a top rate quarterback or some players who can stop the run.
^^^^^^^
No REAL QB is coming here.
Keep Seymour and draft another beast DT/NT through the draft to learn from him and be his eventual replacement.
Seymour also adds VALUABLE LEADERSHIP to that locker room!
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:35 pm
24.Midwest Fan Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:25 pm
It’s one thing to say use the money on a top QB but who’s actually available to pay the money too?
^^^^^^^
Exactly….there are none!
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:36 pm
You traded away a nbr 1 for Seymour.
As long as he wants to be here and plays hard you keep him.
Whether he’s making 12 million or 14 million a year is virtually meaningless. 2 million ain’t squat in the grand scheme of things for a team with a 150 million dollar payroll.
Only real question is whether he’s going to bring the right attitude and be productive.
Showing up early and getting off the bus with the rookies tells me he’s got the right ‘tude’.
It’s possible big Rich might be wearing down, and could miss more games due to nagging injuries and muscle pulls. That’s a concern.
So maybe tagging him is the Raids most prudent course of action anyway.
JaJason sucks.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
We need Seymour for two more years while our D-line is filled with better younger players.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Whats up raiderdogg
You cant expect a bunch of uneducated bumbling idiots who cant sing or play an instrument to make music.
Rap is not music its noise plus anger and retardedness mixed in.
Goverment Mule!!
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:44 pm
The more I read about the CBA the more conviced I am that there will NOT be a season next year. I didnt realize that the owners get there TV revenue whether they have a season or not. What is there incentive for a season next year.
Check out this site and sign the petition to make the fans voices heard: http://savenextseason.com/
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:47 pm
2) DT/NT Phil Taylor (Baylor) or OG/C Stefan Wisniewski (Penn State)
3) OG/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin) or OLB Greg Jones (Michigan State)
4) OT Marcus Gilbert (Florida) or DT/NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame)
5) C/OG Brandon Fusco (Slippery Rock)
6) DE/DT Cedrick Thornton (Southern Arkansas)
7) WR Ricardo Lockette (Ford Valley State) or RB Robert Hughes (Notre Dame)
Then try like hell to bring Miller, Asomugha, Seymour, Wimbley, Huff, Routt, Bush, Reece, Condo and Cartwright all back into the fold.
If Huff walks, sign Jarrad Page to compete with Stevie Brown.
If Bush walks, sign Willis McGahee or bring in a rookie.
If Asomugha walks, sign Jonathan Joseph.
If Routt walks, sign Richard Marshall.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:50 pm
YA for GM
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Seymour was the most dominant defensive player we had by a large margin. Anyone who wants to quote stats like they mean something is either completely blind or doesn’t know a lick about football. He MUST be retained. He is not only a force himself but he raised the level of the play around him, from Kelly to Houston and on down the line. It’s also pretty hilarious seeing an offensive player with two fistfuls of his jersey on virtually every big running play against our D.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Does Timmy make it into the hof this weekend?
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Has probably already been said but I think a major reason we are looking at Darren Perry at DC is to attract Asomugha back. I think he looks at C-wood and how he is used and is jealous of the position to make plays that woodson is in. We will still be able to run a lot of plays out of the 4-3 as well as mix in some more 3-4 and do it more effectively. 3rd down we will still have Shaugnessy at one end and Wimbley at the other with Kelly and Houston in the middle
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:54 pm
“Does Timmy make it into the hof this weekend?”
I hope so but I have feeling Adre Reid will beat him out this year
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Hopefully they factor in Timmy’s special teams stats too…
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Ernie Accorsi, the former Giants general manager, tells a story about Kevin Colbert, the Steelers’ director of football operations, whom Accorsi calls the best general manager nobody knows about. Since Accorsi retired, he has consulted with other teams looking to rebuild.
One team was looking for a general manager. Accorsi called Colbert, who has been with the Steelers since 2000, a run that has included appearances in five conference championship games and three Super Bowls.
“I didn’t even tell him the money,” Accorsi said. “I said this is a good job. He said: ‘I could never do that to the Rooneys. I don’t care what they would pay.’ Where you going to find that?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/sports/football/03rooney.html?_r=1&hp
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Mush a ring dum a doo dum a da
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
YA – not a bad draft but I really don’t see Taylor lasting long in the 2nd round, that’s if NYJ don’t take him with their 1st. I see a team like Den w/ their 2nd or NE with one of their countless draft picks taking him before we have a shot.
Think if we could get Wiz and than Matthews that would be a real good start to the draft.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Going to ask a somewhat crazy question.
Let’s say there’s a phenom at the High School level – someone like John Elway.
We know the phenom is going to be heavily recruited and bombarded with NCAA acholarship offers.
But let’s say the phenom isn’t interested in playing college ball, and wanted to grab a multi-million dollar offer to sign with an NFL team and forego college entirely.
Is there anything that prohibits an NFL team from making an offer and signing such a player ? Not necessarily drafting him.
Could there be a sort of LeBron James, Kevin Garnett scenario (minus the draft aspect) played out in the NFL ?
National signing day got me wondering about this.
JaJason sucks.
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Silver-And-Black666 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Whats up raiderdogg
You cant expect a bunch of uneducated bumbling idiots who cant sing or play an instrument to make music.
Rap is not music its noise plus anger and retardedness mixed in.
Goverment Mule!!
////////////////////////////////////
Lol u sound like a fool….if rapping is so easy make a hit record doing it. Rapping takes charisma, rythm, timing, wit, a sense of humor, and the ability to tell a story. I know several rappers that can sing a play instruments, very few of the rockers can rap.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Miller, Wimbley, Bush, Reece will be RFAs.
They’re back.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Mush a ring dum a doo dum a da
Mush a ring dum a doo dum a da
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:03 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Going to ask a somewhat crazy question.
Let’s say there’s a phenom at the High School level – someone like John Elway.
We know the phenom is going to be heavily recruited and bombarded with NCAA acholarship offers.
But let’s say the phenom isn’t interested in playing college ball, and wanted to grab a multi-million dollar offer to sign with an NFL team and forego college entirely.
Is there anything that prohibits an NFL team from making an offer and signing such a player ? Not necessarily drafting him.
Could there be a sort of LeBron James, Kevin Garnett scenario (minus the draft aspect) played out in the NFL ?
National signing day got me wondering about this.
JaJason sucks.
//////////////////////////////
must be 2 or 3 years removed from the high school graduating class to enter the draft
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Word, NTs with his kind of athleticism are rare so he Taylor might indeed be gone by pick #48. But if he does fall to the Raiders, they should absolutely take him.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:05 pm
OG-RAIDERRR Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:00 pm
I was watching the clip of Big Rich punching Rapistberger . It was awesome ! He should get 10 mill just for that …
==========
Im still confused with this `taunting` rule its BS…
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Raiderman99,
I think you have to be three years removed from High Shcool. Remember the Maurice Clarett case that he lost. He was trying to have the Courts overturn that rule. It cost Mike Williams a year of football.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Alot of good it did Maurice Clarett. lol
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:08 pm
severeraiderz
I understand you are upset your IQ is being questioned or lack of, because you defend garbage.
If Kid Rock can Rap then any rocker could rap.
Rapping is talking even 3 year olds can talk.
Since Tu-Pac there is no one who can even come close so keep up your sensless banter and keep telling yourself your a smart guy!
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:11 pm
must be 2 or 3 years removed from the high school graduating class to enter the draft
============================================
OK, but what about a straight Free Agency signing out of H.S. ? Forget about the draft.
Anything that would prohibit an NFL team from offering a player graduating H.S. who wishes to forego college and jump directly to the NFL a contract ?
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Did Clarett want to forego OSU and jump directly to the pros ?
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:19 pm
from twitter… the battle rages on…
solo_dolo_9s lamarr houston
@QBKILLA keep yo eyes open Ull c
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Let’s say a kid doesn’t get a scholarship offer or for whatever reason can’t attend college or doesn’t want to attend college.
He can’t sign with an NFL team until he’s 3 years removed from H.S. ?
What if he didn’t even complete H.S. ?
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:25 pm
the only way to get on an NFL payroll as a player is to enter the NFL draft. You have to be 2.5 years removed from high school, have an agent, fill out some paperwork, etc. Even CFL and Arena league players that are in their late 20’s have to go through this process at least once. Then if you are not drafted, free agency applies, but only for those players who applied for the draft.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:32 pm
So only players that applied for the draft are eligible to sign as a free agent ?
You have to apply for the draft and then go undrafted to sign as a free agent ?
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:32 pm
I guess the NFL rule says three years removed from high school graduation, or the graduation of the class you entered high school in.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Raider 75!!!1 how you getting Houston’s tweets if its locked? I just read what vergahead sapp said:
@solo_dolo_9s you was real quiet when i asked u what your problem was!! Holla when u get some pineapple in your diet or 10 sacks you lame!!
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:35 pm
My understanding is that you only need to participate in the draft once to be eligible for the NFL; unless you are drafted, then choose to holdout, in which case you participate in the next year’s draft (e.g. Bo Jackson)
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:37 pm
I know there was a college hoops player from Kentucky that after the college basketball season, bypassed the draft and just signed with the Knicks at the end of the year, ahead of the draft.
I think they put rules in shortly thereafter to prevent that.
I think the player has to be be 3 years removed from HS to play in the NFL, not just be drafted.
The bigger question is, can you sign a guy and just ice him for a year or two until he has the required 3 years? Also, would he be allowed in the Players Union as well after bypassing rules that funnel all players into the union?
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Jay Gruden, younger brother of John Gruden, was hired for Offensive Coordinator vacancy today by the Bengals.
saw some photos of Jay Gruden, and in some angles, eerily resembles Kiffin…
its like Kiffin and Gruden rolled into one or something
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Ron Wolf mentored Ted Thompson Packers GM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/sports/football/03thompson.html?ref=football
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:44 pm
All 32 of the teams are banned from signing players that are not eligible to play in the NFL.
Being eligible to play in the NFL hinges on participating in the amateur draft at the start of your professional career.
Participating in the amateur draft hinges on being 3 years removed from high school graduation, hiring an agent and completing the proper paperwork.
Once you have gone through the entire draft process, you are NFL eligible. Meaning that 10 years down the road, if you are cut by a team, you become a Free Agent in perpetuity until signed by another team.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Silver-And-Black666 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:08 pm
severeraiderz
I understand you are upset your IQ is being questioned or lack of, because you defend garbage.
If Kid Rock can Rap then any rocker could rap.
Rapping is talking even 3 year olds can talk.
Since Tu-Pac there is no one who can even come close so keep up your sensless banter and keep telling yourself your a smart guy!
/////////////////////
lol u still sound like someone speaking on something they know nothing about. Rapping, when done right is an art form that can matched by few other forms of music when it comes to expression, raw lyrical content and creativity. I don’t defend garbage rap no more then u would defend death metal, black metal, or the headbanger bull. Lol u throw out the name of the most famous rapper ever and u think u sound like an expert, u just sound foolish, naive, and close minded. Check out The Roots, Dead Prez, J. Cole, Talib Kweli, Cocoa Brovaz, Pharoe Monch, Mos Def and several others and tell me rap isn’t poetry expressed over a beat. Rapping is to talking what Acting is to reading a script….educate urself before u speak and spare urself the embarassment. lol did ur patents tell u to cut down ur zepplin or ur pink floyd or ur Stevie Ray because that’s just a bunch of unintelligent noise and put on some Souza or some Paul Anka, after all those two guys make “real music”…….
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:47 pm
45.LA to TheBay Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Miller, Wimbley, Bush, Reece will be RFAs.
They’re back.
******************
How do you know they are RFA?
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Put on The Roots “The Seed” and tell me that isn’t music at it’s finest.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:51 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Let’s say a kid doesn’t get a scholarship offer or for whatever reason can’t attend college or doesn’t want to attend college.
He can’t sign with an NFL team until he’s 3 years removed from H.S. ?
What if he didn’t even complete H.S. ?
/////////////////////////
they just have to be 3 years removed from their graduating class….if a guy got skipped a few grades he be eligible earlier so long as he was 18 yes old. Amobi Akoye got drafted at 19. a guy could graduate and sit 3 years theoretically, but u have to apply for the draft to be an NFL free agent
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:51 pm
So how did the Supplement draft play into all of this stuff?
They didn’t go through the “draft process” did they?
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Refresh my memory, did the Celtics draft Larry Bird before he graduated ? Did he play his final year at ISU already knowing he was going to the Celts ?
I’m pretty sure a football player couldn’t apply for the draft, get drafted and then return to school and play college ball for another year.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Gotta bounce
Go Raiders!!!!
Go Gradkowski……I mean seriously, leave.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Don’t know what the SB halftime show is.
Whatever it is, they ought to cancel it and have a Houston vs. Sapp steel cage match instead.
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:59 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Don’t know what the SB halftime show is.
Whatever it is, they ought to cancel it and have a Houston vs. Sapp steel cage match instead.
———————–
I would love to see Sapp get his fugly face smashed in with a steel chair by Houston. That would be awesome !
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Thanks for the info BART.
I guess Al isn’t going to be able to restore the greatness of the Raidahs by bending the rules or thinking out of the box.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:00 pm
The Boston Celtics selected the 6′9″, 220-pound Bird 6th overall in the 1978 NBA Draft,[11][12] even though they were uncertain whether he would enter the NBA or remain at Indiana State to play his senior season. Bird ultimately decided to play his final college season, but the Celtics retained their exclusive right to sign him until the 1979 NBA Draft, because of the NBA’s “junior eligible” rule that existed at that time (allowing a collegiate player to be drafted when the player’s original “entering” class was graduating and giving them one calendar year to sign them, even if they went back to college). Shortly before that deadline, Bird agreed to sign with the Celtics for a US $650,000 a year contract, making him at the time the highest-paid rookie in the history of the NBA. Shortly afterwards, the NBA draft eligibility rules were changed to prevent teams from drafting players before they were ready to sign. The rule is called the Bird Collegiate Rule.
*************************************
Good call RaiderMan.
I was about to brush it off as nonsense, than looked it up. Your the 6th player in the draft, and you go back to school??
What sense does that make?
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Black Eyed Peas are the halftime show.
The wife is excited for them and Christina Aguilar singing the national anthem.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Also looking up the Bird issue, I came across how the Warriors traded Robert Parrish and the 3rd overall pick, for the 1st and 13th overall pick of the 1980 draft.
Celtics get Parrish and draft McHale #3, Warriors take Joe Barely Cares #1 and Ricky Brown (4 ppg for 3 years) at #13.
Great job Warriors!!!!
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Seymour is not worth 20% more than 14 million a year.
Hopefully they can bring him back at a reasonable price.
I still beleive the Raiders should trade Tommy Kelly on the strength of his first good season since they made the highest paid DT in 2008 (for two weeks at least)… trade him while his value is high.
Franchise Seymour and try to negotiate a reasonable deal… trade him for a pick if one can’t be reached.
Bottom line is The raiders have d line talent” Trevor scott, Desmond Bryant, Lamar Houston, and Matt Shaunassey are all NFL caliber starters… can’t be scared. Kam wimberly also rotates on the d line. Raiders have done a great job of drafting young d line man.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Been thinking about this SB the past 10 days trying to decide how I’m gonna bet it.
Honestly think the game is a toss up.
Total opened at 46 and I would have guessed it was going up to 48 by game time. Instead it dropped to 44.5 before moving to 45 yesterday.
Thought the game would be a pick or maybe GB -1. Pack certinly has the momentum and look like a team of destiny but the Squeelers are immensely popular and always get a lot of wagering support.
Somwhat surprised line is currently GB -2.5 -120. Could go to 3 but that sure as hell would bring a ton of Pitt money and open the door to the books getting ’sided’.
As of this moment, I’m thinking I’m going with GB and the over. It takes a team that can spread things out and pass like crazy to beat Pitt. Warner almost did it. I give Rodgers a better chance.
Hate to bet an over in any game with two really good defensive teams but honestly think there’s going to be a ton of passing from both teams, especially GB.
Might change my mind, I’ve been going back and forth on this one.
Either way, I’m gonna enjoy this game. Comped at a local casino for their SB bash. Free $50 dollar bet, all the food you can eat and booze you can drink. And there’s gonna be some Raiderettes there.
Life is good, baby.
JaJason sucks.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:30 pm
RAIDERMAN: I feel you brotha. I been going back and forth too, but I’m feeling pretty good about Packers over.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:35 pm
# SD_Raider_619 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Raider 75!!!1 how you getting Houston’s tweets if its locked? I just read what vergahead sapp said:
@solo_dolo_9s you was real quiet when i asked u what your problem was!! Holla when u get some pineapple in your diet or 10 sacks you lame!!
……
Send a request. I did and he confirmed me.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Franchising Seymour, or extending Dick, however you want to write it has various aspects to it.
$14.9 mil for any player is an obscenity, but then again so is the amount raked in by an owner.
Question? Did Seymour Rich make others around him better players? Absolutachingamente he did. That has to account for something. (Unlike Nnamdi. Much as I appreciate Asomugha as the best CB in the game today and how much he does for the other souls in this world, he does not make other players on the defense better with his presence.)
Then again, other than decking Little Ben Rapist, in reality, TK was just as good as Seymour Riches this past season.
If Dick can once again elevate the troops, Kelly-ShoNasty-Houston-Des, then by all means fork over the cash.
If he’s just gonna have a lame leg then screw it.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:39 pm
This is my first year in about 5 years of not going down the Vegas strip and going to one of those Super Bowl event parties.
MGM grand last year was amazing. I think there was almost 3,000 people in the MGM Garden Arena, free beer and food, and the TV was something like 45 x 24 feet
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:41 pm
let seymour go. sayin g-bye to he and aso saves at least 30 mil next seas alone. defense wasn’t great with both on the field, d-line has tons of potential and we can fill some spots on the o-line, LBs, and Cbs with that money.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Bascially you and I, the people hwo shell out that $10 BILLION dollars a year to the NFL have ZERO say in what these a**hole owners do.
18 games will HURT the game.
These prigs just want the money short term to sustain their unreasonable finacial growth.
18 games is BS and we DON’T WANT IT!!!!!
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:43 pm
re-sign bush.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:44 pm
82. I would say Kelly was better because of all the Seymour double teams. Same for Shaughnessy. Both Shaugh and Houston have benefitted greatly from Seymour’s vet presence.
Nnamdi’s a fav of course and can’t see Al letting him go but you never know.
We better hope W McFad is ready and Routt doesn’t phone it in like he’s done for 9/10ths of his career.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:47 pm
on the betting tip. i lean the pack, but not with the confidence i had in them against phi, atl, and chi. big winners 4 me. the over looks good, but it did last yr. too. so i might sit it out.
February 3rd, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Franchise Seymour, extend him for two years, and after next season find a trade partner and get a 2nd rounder, or a 3rd and a 4th.
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:02 pm
what about Z Miller?
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
With any luck Miller will be an RFA, but if not the Raiders need to sign him to a long-term deal ASAP anyway.
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Willie Brown was hosting the SB weekend festivities at a casino here last year. Signing autographs, taking pics, and selling memorabilia supposedly for his charity.
Didn’t seem too happy with the gig, had a real arrogant young prick assisting him, and I’d be surprised if he was back this year.
Anyway, I asked him what’s going on with JaMoron, is he in Az trying to get into shape (that was the rumor at the time).
I could tell Willie had no idea WTF JaMoron was up to or where he was.
All Willie could say was ‘He’ll be alright’.
Had to laugh at that as you could tell even Willie didn’t believe it.
Anyway, had old man Willie autograph my Raider hat, shook his hand and told him it was nice meeting the 3rd best Raider corner of all time.
He says to me that he was the best.
Had to tell him Lester and Mike Haynes were both better.
Willie didn’t like that too much.
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Had to tell him Lester and Mike Haynes were both better.
Willie didn’t like that too much.
————
Wow, so you’re as big of a prick in real life as you are on here? Amazing.
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:22 pm
“Al (Davis) was a pain in the ass,” Bresnahan said during an interview in his office, “but if you took it the right way, there was occasionally here and there some great ideas, great thoughts, but you had to know how to handle it in a respectful way, and say ‘yes’ to some things you thought might help — but then to be able to say no to some things.”
Bresnahan’s last season with the Raiders was 2003. He was fired along with most of Bill Callahan’s staff, but he had a year left on his contract and the team tried to make him work in the personnel department rather than take another job. Bresnahan filed a grievance and won it, joining the Bengals, but by then it was too late to make him coordinator. Meanwhile, he had a yearlong fight to collect his money. He became the Bengals’ coordinator after the ‘04 season.
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
SNB 666, I’m surprised you could have such an ignorant view of hip hop coming from the bay area. Real hip hop went underground in the ’90s, as SevereRaiders mentioned several examples, including Dead Prez. I’d add Skillz to that list, one of the industry’s sought after ghost writers who decided to stop letting others eat off of him and put out his own stuff. Check out Million Dollar Backpack (2008). He has a more recent album, The World Needs More Skillz, but not as good, imo.
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Shows the kind of influence media has for someone to compare hip-hop to talking…I don’t know where to start but any of the above mentioned names are definitely more than qualified artists as far as art is concerned. I agree most mainstream/radio rap is not worth listening too, but those type of songs are also made to attract a certain audience. I’ve learned tons of interesting and educating info about basically anything from artists who rap with the purpose of delivering powerful, meaningful messages. Definitely worth listening to.
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Raiderman99, you’re just like one of these people who goes into a store, treats the clerk like crap, then has the gall to say that the clerk had an attitude. Yeah, I think I can understand why Willie might have seemed agitated to be there, with a, probably, 40 year old guy with tattoos on his arms, who’s overweight but tries to walk with his chest out to make himself look tough, backward Raider hat on, salami and beer breath, hovering over him and with the aroma of the intolerable breath, saying, “you’re the 3rd best cornerback in Raider history!”. Yeah, what’s Willie’s problem? Lighten up, Willie.
February 3rd, 2011 at 6:46 pm
The thing is, a lot of these hip pop radio rappers today started off raw. Remember Akon, “locked up”? Even though he wasn’t the one rapping on it, still. That song was hard as hell. What happened to him? The industry takes decent talent who write realistic and enlightening songs lyrically, and turns them into showboats.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Only rap music i listen to nowadays is anything that involves LIVEWIRE records.
Not the best out there.
But I grew up with all them in the west.
J-Stalin. Shady Nate. Jay Jonah.
Philthy Rich from Sem City.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Matter of fact Stalin n philthy just had an autograph session at rasputins in Berkeley this past Tuesday.
Pinky the porn star was there also.
Both J-Stalin from cypress village and pinky being from west Oakland.
Growing up with them. Watching them be successful in life is amazing.
Granted rap and porn ain’t the best industry, but if you good at it you might as well get paid for it !!!
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Rap, huh?
Is the Fresh Prince still rappin?
He was dope.
Word.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 pm
MR, who of these is on your I-pod? Any?
T-Nutty, Lil Cyco, Smigg Dirty, Richie Rich, Dubb Sac, K-Still, C-lim, Side Show, Coleone, Slow Pain, Luniz, Makaveli, Mistah F A B…
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Mr real madden raider.
Even tho I think you are a little too hard on mr Davis.
I have to say you are very informed.
I enjoy some of your quick witted sharp responses.
I do not agree with you all the time but you are an interesting read.
Especially when you keep it short n sweet.
Real madden raider = king of retort.
(not a typo. I did not mean king of retard)
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Parents just don’t understand.
BEATBOX!
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:18 pm
J-Stalin should be on peoples iPod.
Especially if you from/support Our local/oakland talent.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Mr FAB. (forever after bread) is actually from
emeryville.
We let him claim north Oakland because he got skills.
Knew him when he was at oakland tech high school crafting his art.
He had clever word play even back then.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
There are no hip hop stations in Sacramento anymore. From the ’90s up till a couple of years ago, there were 2, which is what LA, NY, and Chi have. Now both of Sac’s former hip hop stations just play Lady Gaga stuff, house music. In the ’80s, El Camino High School’s station, 91.5, which reaches across the city, used to have a hip hop show every afternoon hosted by a DJ named Mixula, who would later work at what were once the two commercial hip hop stations in Sac. Anyhow, he must have had a bay area connection or two because he was playing Too Short well before Born To Mack, which is when everyone jumped on Short’s jock. He would play every west coast rapper before anyone had heard of them. Played Eazy E’s “Fat Girl”, well before Boyz N The Hood, which sprung him and NWA to fame. Played CIA, Ice Cube’s first group. A song called “my posse”. Cube sounded horrible in that song but we had no idea who he was then anyway. Nobody did till Straight Outta Compton came out. He was playing Rodney O “everlasting bass” when I guarantee you the only commercial stations playing it were in L.A. Sacramento radio has a deep hip hop history and they just pulled the plug on it a couple of years ago. All we have now is on UC Davis’s station, 90.3, a show every monday night that plays remixes of modern underground, mostly from the east. It’s pretty good. The host is this preppy sounding white girl. That’s Sac.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Raccoon,
Are you talking about Dubb Sack Records or the old rapper?
If you haven’t heard of Dubb Sack Records, check out this link. Knew these guys since we were like 10 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwBL7-OZEcI&feature=related
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
# Sweep The Leg. Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Rap, huh?
Is the Fresh Prince still rappin?
He was dope.
Word.
……
I haven’t listened to much rap since Curtis Blow and Run DMC.
Remember the movie Beat Street? lol
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Best Sacramento rapper?
Hollow Tip
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
mack-madden = MR shill?
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Raider75 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Remember the movie Beat Street? lol
==================================
Sad to say I do.
Funky fresh my friend.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
110.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Best Sacramento rapper?
Hollow Tip
***************
YESSS JFB he is very good.
K-Still is my fav though. We grew up together k-11
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Beat Street was good. I like the back story with the graffiti artist and his competition. doesn’t he die, too? Anyhow, Krush Groove is my favorite hip hop movie from that era, though. I have that VHS tape. I’m always meaning to watch it. Maybe tonight, now that I’m thinking of it.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:35 pm
People don’t give will smith enough credit for what he accomplished.
From the hood.
Made it rapping.
Parlay that into hit tv show.
Parlay that into mega movie star.
Every rapper/entertainer aspires to do that.
But most don’t think highly of will smith.
Thinking he sold out/soft.
He always been a goofy guy.
Never was/claim to be gangster.
Inner city youth should admire him instead of Weezy.
Just my opinion tho…
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
108.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Raccoon,
Are you talking about Dubb Sack Records or the old rapper?
If you haven’t heard of Dubb Sack Records, check out this link. Knew these guys since we were like 10 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwBL7-OZEcI&feature=related
***********************
No, Dubb Sacc, he used to Rap with R-Red back in the day, I dont remember the name they went by then.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
D-Red
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:38 pm
114.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Beat Street was good. I like the back story with the graffiti artist and his competition. doesn’t he die, too? Anyhow, Krush Groove is my favorite hip hop movie from that era, though. I have that VHS tape. I’m always meaning to watch it. Maybe tonight, now that I’m thinking of it.
**************************
Com on MR let me get an invite…
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:38 pm
One of those Entertainment Tonight whatever people was interviewing Snoop years back, and asked Snoop if he hangs around Will Smith. Snoop said no. They asked him if it was because Smith was too much of a square for him, whatever, and Snoop said the reason is that he doesn’t feel he’s worthy to hang out with Will Smith, and doesn’t want to expose Will to some of the people from the hood he still hangs out with, and possibly get him into an incident. Thought those were some good words.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Mr dirtee racoon.
I am nobody shill. I frequent this site.
Mostly read. Rarely post.
Check out J-Stalin. He do lots of shows in Sacramento.
Last time we was there the Jacka took the cops on a high speed.
Hustlah was fresh out.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
80-Sick in the day
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Any Hank Jr. fans in here?
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Use to love snoop.
But he really did sell out.
It’s one thing to get paid, but he abandonded his roots.
Telling kids don’t join gangs but reps crips.
Still cripping but wearing red?
What I really found out about snoop really bothered me.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
120.mack-madden Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Mr dirtee racoon.
I am nobody shill. I frequent this site.
Mostly read. Rarely post.
Check out J-Stalin. He do lots of shows in Sacramento.
Last time we was there the Jacka took the cops on a high speed.
Hustlah was fresh out.
*****************************
Hmm, anyway, yes, I remember when Paranoid was big.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Country is just like hip hop, gotta go underground to hear the good artists. Everything mainstream is repetitive.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
122.Sweep The Leg. Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Any Hank Jr. fans in here?
*********************
HE!! ya STL, it IS a Family Tradition.!
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Nowhere Road is the Shizz MR.
Copperline Hills
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:49 pm
This Taylar Swift..you could just call her pop, and have her on regular pop stations, nobody would know the difference. She’s country because they call her country. It’s funny so many country fans hate Kanye West for his stunt but all he did was introduce her to more fans. All publicity is good publicity. Swift’s management could have put him up to it, for all we know. It’s not like he physically harmed her.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
122.Sweep The Leg. Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Any Hank Jr. fans in here?
****************
“I like women I never had” is one of my fav of any genre.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
122.Sweep The Leg. Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Any Hank Jr. fans in here?
*********************
HE!! ya STL, it IS a Family Tradition
====================================
Right on! Waylon too.
Have a good night everybody.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Steve Earl
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:52 pm
What I really found out about snoop really bothered me.
—————————————————–
Just terrible!
Kinda surprised it hasn’t really come out. He’s not that good of a money maker to keep that BS on the DL.
But it just goes to show you that someone values the image he puts out there for a lot of young kids to follow.
Sad!
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:52 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
122.Sweep The Leg. Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Any Hank Jr. fans in here?
****************
“I like women I never had” is one of my fav of any genre.
=========================================
Check out “Tired of being Johnny be good”, old song but fits today’s world.
Later.
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Alright, I’ll play…
What did you just find out about Snoop?
February 3rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Mack-Madden: Gas Nation or On Behalf of the Streets?
February 3rd, 2011 at 8:08 pm
It’s also pretty hilarious seeing an offensive player with two fistfuls of his jersey on virtually every big running play against our D.
++++++++++
I hate complaining about non-calls during games, but generally there is about one per season that is blatant, I can’t help but be annoyed and say something.
This year’s came in week 1. Chris Johnson’s big TD run that blew the game open:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DSbfux15dw
Fast forward to 3:38. Watch the middle of the field about 3:42 or so. Look at Seymour getting MUGGED to the point he throws his hands up in air like “Hey, might wanna call this, ref?” So irritating.
February 3rd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Re-sign Seymour & Wimbley.
Re-sign Huff & Asomugha.
… but do NOT use the franchise tag on any of these guys! if Al Davis has another “secret GM” for an 8-month hoorah, he should be well aware of a player’s worth on the open market
_______________________________
I beg to differ. AD has no idea of player value on open market. He thinks he can create his own market for some of his favorite players. He messed up Charles Woodson contract by not signing him to a long term deal and instead got lazy and just gave him Franchise tag year after year. Any GM in NFL worth his salt would tell U it’s a kiss of death doing franchise tag on one player more than one year. If a team likes a player so much instead of doing so they should sign him to a long term deal. It’s better for the team but we all know AD is a half ars GM who wakes up at 3PM each day by which rime the rest of the world has moved on.
I can’t wait to see the Raiders WITHOUT this idiot running it to the ground. One can only dream, right? Right!
February 3rd, 2011 at 8:13 pm
When it comes to the franchise tag:
-Seymour: might be a good idea to give him one more year of a big salary (to keep him happy) while meanwhile seeing how his body holds up. Were the nagging injuries this year a sign of deterioration or a simple anomaly? Then Al can decide if he wants to move forward with a 3-5 year deal and, if so, for how much.
-Wimbley: Since Wimbley is officially a strongside linebacker, franchising him might not be such a bad plan since you wouldn’t have to pay him like a bigtime DE. Plus you can monitor to see if his coverage skills improve. Don’t think I’d use it on Wimbley though.
-ZMiller: I have to think he has a hankering to play in a pass-oriented offense where he can shine (think a New England style system…might the Rams be attractive with Josh McDaniels as OC?) so franchising him may be the only way to keep him around. Plus, the average of the top 5 tight end salaries in the league isn’t necessarily too out of line for him for a year.
-Bush: Much as I love MBush, he’s not worth being tagged and paid that much to be a backup to DMac.
Basically: Use the tag on Seymour or Miller or not at all.
February 3rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
If a team likes a player so much instead of doing so they should sign him to a long term deal.
+++++++++++
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Woodson basically refuse to do a long term deal because he saw that Oakland was a sinking ship after 2003?
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Raider 510 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Mack-Madden: Gas Nation or On Behalf of the Streets?
$$$$$$$$$$
I love both.
My favorite was his first underground CD.
He sold them on 10th st.
No title. About 13 tracks.
No cover.
No case.
Just had J-Stalin handwritten on the CD.
Super classics.
He re-released some on a mix tape about a year ago.
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
133.Sweep The Leg. Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:52 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
122.Sweep The Leg. Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Any Hank Jr. fans in here?
****************
“I like women I never had” is one of my fav of any genre.
=========================================
Check out “Tired of being Johnny be good”, old song but fits today’s world.
Later.
*********************
I think there are a few Johnny Rebel’s in these posts.
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
[...] on defensive tackle Richard Seymour. By virtue of having received the franchise tag last season, Seymour is due a minimum of 20 percent more than he received last season _ just under $14.9 million. Raiders owner Al Davis was non-committal about bringing back Nnamdi Asomugha at the Jan. 18 press [...]
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:14 pm
135.Raider 510 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Mack-Madden: Gas Nation or On Behalf of the Streets?
*****
On Behalf of the streets
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
J. Stalin been fallin off though. I still never listened to Prenuptial.
Check out Nipsey Hussle though he got the west on lock right now. Some of his newer stuff kinda eh but his Bullets Ain’t Got No Names Mixtape series is killin em.
He needs to hook up with The Jacka and Husalah fast.
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
510, Mack M, check out K-Still, Transactions
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Will do.
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Raider 510 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
J. Stalin been fallin off though. I still never listened to Prenuptial.
Check out Nipsey Hussle though he got the west on lock right now. Some of his newer stuff kinda eh but his Bullets Ain’t Got No Names Mixtape series is killin em.
He needs to hook up with The Jacka and Husalah fast.
$$$$$$$$$$
Stalin ain’t fell off.
I respect your opinion tho.
Prenup SLAP. You need to check it out.
J-Stalin & Guce album collabaration.
Released over a year ago.
Oakland + San Francisco.
Title : Elephants & Giants.
Super SLAPS
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Alright, I’ll play…
What did you just find out about Snoop?
$$$$$$$$$$
If you adressing me. I’d rather not say.
It’s out there if you really wanted to find out tho.
I think I was better off not knowing.
Perhaps others are willing to elaborate.
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:56 pm
I say try to re-sign Seymour to 4 years, 40 mil and Nnamdi to 7 years, 70 million to try and get both to retire a Raider. That’s 10 mil a year for each. That’s still a good figure for both and it doesn’t hurt as much as 30+ would.
If we’re not gonna re-sign Seymour, we should make a serious run at Ngata. He would be the only DT that I would let Seymour walk for, but he’d be worthy of a 7 year deal also.
Bush would be great to re-sign and I am pretty sure that he’s gonna be a RFA cuz he just completed his 3rd or 4th year in the NFL. Not sure if his rookie year on the IR counts or not. But I have been thinking of maybe trading for Brandon Jacobs (6-4, 260) if we let Bush walk if he is a UFA as opposed to a RFA.
Re-signing Nnamdi is a top priority no matter what. Does anyone know if Atlanta still runs a zone defense? If they don’t, make a run at Brent Grimes. If they do, go for Richard Marshall.
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
The reason Al keeps slapping the franchise tag on guys like Seymour, and before him Woodson in lieu of a long term deal is he’s indecisive. Going on 82, he’s more confused than ever.
Part of him knows he’s not gonna live forever and he wants another Super Bowl before he goes. The other part of him is still trying to conduct a business that needs to think long term. Of course I’m just speculating.
I want the Al that will do whatever it takes to win NOW, but at the same time not sell out the future.
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ctjyAdxybg
And Mack I have to disagree with that Snoop stuff. I don’t know everything about him or this extra stuff you’re sayin but as far as him wearing red and telling kids not to join gangs, he’s a old man now and is right to leave that behind him. Living that life is usually because there is no other choice but he has kids, and I don’t know what a grown man would be thinking to lead his children in that direction.
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
We need Seymour for two more years while our D-line is filled with better younger players.
^^^^^^^
I agree. I would like to see the old man not tag Seymour and just try and sign him to a 3 year deal.
Use that franchise tag on Wimbley or Miller if necessary.
Wimbley would be a cheaper tag since he would go down a SAM LB….even though next year he can play more down 4-3 rush RDE if need be.
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Then draft either Phil Taylor or an OT like Derock Sherrod with that 2nd Rounder…..then draft mini beast WLB Casey Matthews in Round 3.
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
152.DKnight007 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
We need Seymour for two more years while our D-line is filled with better younger players.
^^^^^^^
I agree. I would like to see the old man not tag Seymour and just try and sign him to a 3 year deal.
Use that franchise tag on Wimbley or Miller if necessary.
Wimbley would be a cheaper tag since he would go down a SAM LB….even though next year he can play more down 4-3 rush RDE if need be.
***********************
Miller YES, Wimbley??? no too much $ for his playing level. He is playing very good, but NOT top 5 LB good.
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:35 pm
# mack-madden Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Alright, I’ll play…
What did you just find out about Snoop?
$$$$$$$$$$
If you adressing me. I’d rather not say.
It’s out there if you really wanted to find out tho.
I think I was better off not knowing.
Perhaps others are willing to elaborate.
……………..
LOL.
Clever. You got me.
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Spurs put down Lakers tonight with buzzer beater.
Poor shooting from both teams, but finish was awesome.
GO SPURS!!!
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
The Lakers suck. Their fans know it.
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Lakers…the team if the decade baby!
They be alright come playoff time!
Can’t win a title every freakin year now can we though?
LOL!
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
152.DKnight007 Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
# The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
We need Seymour for two more years while our D-line is filled with better younger players.
^^^^^^^
I agree. I would like to see the old man not tag Seymour and just try and sign him to a 3 year deal.
Use that franchise tag on Wimbley or Miller if necessary.
Wimbley would be a cheaper tag since he would go down a SAM LB….even though next year he can play more down 4-3 rush RDE if need be.
***********************
Miller YES, Wimbley??? no too much $ for his playing level. He is playing very good, but NOT top 5 LB good.
^^^^^^^
Maybe transition Wimbley.
He had 9 sacks last year as mainly a SAM LB….but we all know he is better suited as a rush RDE in the 4-3 and be a stand up rush OLB in the 3-4 alignments.
Wimbley is valuable commodity that needs to remain with the Raiders without doubt.
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 pm
157.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
The Lakers suck. Their fans know it.
***************************************
When?
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Real madden raider.
I honestly wasn’t trying to “get” you.
My bad.
$$$$$$$$$$
raider 510.
I understand snoop matured over the years.
Being a good influence to the youth is a good thing.
I don’t hate on that.
I respect/encourage that.
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 pm
I am a hater when it come to sports tho.
Laker hater.
Yankee & red sox hater.
Bronco cheifs & charger hater.
steelers & patriots hater.
I know I’m forgetting other teams.
That I do proudly admit.
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
The Lakers suck. Their fans know it.
##########################
your momma sucks and YOU know that!!!
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Sure.
That was good, though.
Girls used to be able to do that to me all the time.
“Damn, I can’t believe she did that”
“Did what?”
“Nothing”
“no, come one, tell me!”
“Nah. I shouldn’t have said anything”.
LOL. Thought I fell for it for the last time. You set it up perfectly. I always give props to people who can leave bit. It’s a mutual respect, like a thieve expressing his admiration for another thief.
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Really wasn’t my intention tho.
I do get what you saying.
Peak someone interest only to slam door in face.
Bad business.
Another thing I hate.
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 pm
I wish the lakers suck.
Warriors won tonight !!!
February 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Haha, you’re good, Mackmadden. You got me tonight. I’m tired. Walked right into that one.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:08 am
I agree with a Seymour tag but his health may come into question. He sat out alot of sessions during the season but thats a luxury he’s earned. Just hope its not a sign of accelarated wear that hurts next year. IF There is a next year…
Nnamdi could go bye bye so Ocho can say hello
February 4th, 2011 at 5:17 am
Good luck to Mr.Tim Brown tomorrow.Hope you make it to the hof.
February 4th, 2011 at 5:56 am
GOOD DAY NEILB.HOF VOTE WILL BE INTERESTING 4 SURE.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:00 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Morning Dirt Lot…Afternoon Neil…
It’s Friday…
Any predictions for the Super Bowl?
February 4th, 2011 at 6:02 am
G’morning fellas.
I second those thoughts Neilb. Good luck Tim!
Brown’s main problem is that he’s caught up in a glut of WR’s. Chris Carter and Andre Reed, I believe.
Timmy’s numbers say he belongs, and he’ll get there. I hope it’s this year.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:16 am
pitt 24
gb 10
February 4th, 2011 at 6:30 am
this is what i would like to see happen.right now they play 16 regular
season games 4 or 5 preseason games (20) ,3 playoff games,plus super bowl .not counting the pro bowl.24 possible games .
new for 2012********
1)……eliminate 2 pre season games,
2)……play 16 regular season games
3)……each team has 2 bye weeks during regular season separated by at least 7 weeks
4)……keep playoffs ,single elimination.
5)……all teams play 1st round no byes
6)……1st rd..
all division winners host 1st rd game against their second place team within their division
7)……2nd rd..
new #1 seed now host #3 seed
8)……2nd rd..
new #2 seed now host #4 seed
9)…..conference champ rd..
new #1 seed now host new #2seed
10)……afc plus nfc each host superbowl game in a best 2 out of 3 super bowl series . pick nuetral site for tie breaker if necessary
……. thats (18) pre season and regular season games .
……. (3) playoff rounds .total games played (21)
……. (3) possible super bowl games for a total of (24)
……. average teams play (2) less games ,there are now (4)more play off teams
……. was (5) playoff games ,now (7) playoff games
……. was (1) super bowl ,now (2) unless they tie one each .much more hype for 3rd game tie breaker.and much much more revenue per season with less games played,also longer season for fans
……..feel free to add, edit ,or delete any ideas .ill bet the ……..bloggers on this site could come up with a cba if needed
……..we could be more fair since our pockets stand to gain nothing.
…….. our objective would be get it done,not get rich off the ……..players
February 4th, 2011 at 6:34 am
HEY HWNRDR,G.B-17 PITTSPUKE-14
February 4th, 2011 at 6:35 am
Tim Brown was the Paul Molitor of NFL WR’s.
Never the best in the game, but a steady, long career of production near the top of the league.
Molitor did win a WS ring though, if we win the SB in ‘02 I think Timmy would already be in.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Hey Dirt Lot…I’m picking GReen Bay over Pitt
20-17
February 4th, 2011 at 6:40 am
Sorry had to step out…
Good morning everyone!
No score,just hope the Pack win.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:43 am
Got to agree with JFB we win sb37 and Tim’s in.
I can’t think of a Raider over the same time period who deserves it more.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:44 am
Hey Neil…what time is the game in your neck of the woods?
And as for Tim Brown…I hope he gets in one day, but I’m not too sure if he’ll get in this year! But if he does…I’ll be happy and big congrats to him!
February 4th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Can you say if the Pack wins that CWood gets in?
February 4th, 2011 at 6:46 am
Morning Hwnrdr.
The game will start ’bout 11.30pm over here.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Good question !! Can’t answer it!!
February 4th, 2011 at 6:51 am
Imaquaman….
All for reducing the number of pre-season games.
Don’t want 18 game season.
How ’bout 2 more wildcard teams and make the season longer that way.(Bigger squads aswell).
…..and only one Superbowl.Let’s keep it special.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:52 am
I just don’t get the Raiders use of the tag. If they had offered up a 6-7 year deal with 30 mill in guarenteed money, it could have been spread out. Instead, they give Seymour almost 30 mill in 2 years and still do not have him locked in long term. Offer the man a long term deal. Fill it with incentives and escalators and outs. It’s not like you don’t know what you are getting in Rich. He’s not a Haynesworthless. They did the same thing with Nnamdi. Put it on paper already and make it look bigger than it really is.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Anyone remember why we didn’t sign Seymour to a long contract this time last year?
February 4th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Timmy’s numbers say he belongs, and he’ll get there. I hope it’s this year.
***********
Tim Brown isnt going into the HoF for a long long time guys. Just the way it is.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:57 am
It’s not the numbers that will keep Tim out but the colour of his uniform.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:58 am
Neil, I think the two sides could not come to an agreement…
February 4th, 2011 at 6:58 am
neilb Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Anyone remember why we didn’t sign Seymour to a long contract this time last year?
*********
I bet Seymour wouldnt sign a long term deal last year. Say what he will, but I bet he wanted to see this team make progress. I think Jer is jumping the gun on us franchising him this year too though. I have a feeling we get a deal done with him and we franchise Zach Miller.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Al Davis is going to spend every nickel available under the cap (or no cap, depending on the new labor arrangement) he does it every year while many other teams always have millions of dollars in unspend salary money, not the Raiders.
So there’s no need to worry about the cost of getting Richard Seymour back, there will be enough money left to sign more players.
And we need Seymour back, he makes players around him better and is a great leader, he’ll help make the coaching transition smoother and he has a couple of good years left in the tank.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:00 am
189.hwnrdr Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 6:58 am
Neil, I think the two sides could not come to an agreement…
—————————————————-
Couldn’t remember myself.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:03 am
Vey good point Bcz24….and Bob too.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Seymour isn’t going to agree to spend his last few years of his NFL career with a team that doesn’t play meaningful football in December.
I’m sure any long-term contract he and his agent are trying to negotiate, has a ton of guaranteed money, and a bunch of different player option and out clauses, that the Raiders would be stupid to agree to.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Well, I guess that is part of the agreement…lol…he wanted to make sure we improve…
February 4th, 2011 at 7:06 am
Considering all the head coaching changes, all the system changes, all the different QBs he had to put up with, and all the ancillary BS that goes along with an Al Davis run organization I think the fact that Tim Brown put up the numbers that he did with all of that going on should boost his profile and he should be in the HOF sooner rather than later.
Pu Timmy in SF at the beginning of his career and his numbers would have surpassed Rice’s numbers.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:07 am
A long term deal would cost about the same, the signing bonus money would be at least as much as the franchise tag money and Seymour won’t take a long deal without having most of the money guaranteed, in which case we may end up with Seymour on the payroll long after he’s gone.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Later, have a good friday people.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:09 am
You too,Bob.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:14 am
Who’s a more important signing? Seymour or Asomugha? Also, if Lechler wishes to walk based on his displeasure with Cable being gone, should we let him?
February 4th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Seymour is 31.How long does he want to play? Has Seymour said anything to the media ’bout his contract?
February 4th, 2011 at 7:16 am
I’ll go for Seymour Hwnrdr.
Lechler will be back.I can think of a million reasons why.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:17 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 7:14 am
Who’s a more important signing? Seymour or Asomugha? Also, if Lechler wishes to walk based on his displeasure with Cable being gone, should we let him?
********
Seymour is more important ON the field than Aso, but the character that Aso brings to this team has to be considered. If Lechler wants to walk let him, grass is always greener on the other side, until you hop the fence and have to take a 50% pay cut because NO one will pay a loud mouthed punter what Al does.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:19 am
Seymour is much more valuable due to the position he plays.
Defensive line is the new wave of the NFL, as it is about the only way to disrupt the elite QB’s in this league. The two Super Bowl teams, to no coincidence, are probably the two best teams at putting pressure on the QB.
DB’s are valuable, but if you can’t stop the run, who cares how good of coverage your DB has?
February 4th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Lechler is valuable to a team like the Jets or Ravens, who play ball control, defense and the field position game most weeks.
Raiders give up a lot of points, and score a lot of points (at least last year). Punting isn’t as important as it used to be in Oakland.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Would be an interesting question if we had a corner on par with Nnamdi on the other side of the field.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:23 am
DB’s are valuable, but if you can’t stop the run, who cares how good of coverage your DB has?
**********
To add to your point JFB, with the pressure we put on QBs (Pittsburg is the ONLY team with more sacks than us, by 1 sack) if we could stop the run and FORCE teams to pass the ball our secondary, without Aso would be adequate. I think the biggest issue we have in the secondary right now is, because we cant stop the run, we get TORCHED in the play action game. I would be willing to bet that of the 29 passing TDs we allowed more than half were on some form of play action pass. You could eliminate a LOT of that by actually stopping the run consistantly.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:24 am
neilb Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Would be an interesting question if we had a corner on par with Nnamdi on the other side of the field.
**********
Our linebackers and safeties would get eaten alive in the middle of the field with slots/te’s
February 4th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Well…we had…but the other one is playing for a Super Bowl Championship! Oh well…
But, you’re right! I think he would have a contract in place had that happened!
February 4th, 2011 at 7:28 am
How big of a dropoff is it from Nnamdi to a guy that makes maybe half as much as him??
I think we can re-sign Huff and get a viable replacement for Nnamdi with the price of keeping Nnamdi annually.
I put Huff at a greater priority to re-sign than Nnamdi. Huff made plays to get us off the field last year and the year previously. Nnamdi simply doesn’t do that; not his fault entirely, but it is what it is.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:29 am
Bcz24….
If we had two shutdown corners wouldn’t we put more players in the box to defend the run and attack the QB?
Isn’t that the Al Davis way?
February 4th, 2011 at 7:29 am
good morning nation,
it is a great day to be a raiders fan!!! no?
looking at the draft board i see wiz kid has slipped.. if he is there when we pick do you think we should take him?? anybody seen this guy robert sands play? i saw the utube video, he loooks good to me!! he is rising on the board..he looks to be just what we need at free, i am not knocking huff, move him to corner…
February 4th, 2011 at 7:30 am
tim was a good team player .seems he always put the team first ,alot players wouldnt accept jerry rice without crying over the attemps .with no jr you could add a couple 2 or 3 hundred more recepsand 20 or 30 more tds, and all the glory you could grab .the man has good character
February 4th, 2011 at 7:33 am
i wont be surprised if he doesnt make it ,damn nfl always trying to keep the silver n black man down
February 4th, 2011 at 7:39 am
Is CJ still under contract or is he a FA?
February 4th, 2011 at 7:39 am
Good morning Nation!
Imaquaman, There’s one flaw with your new playoff scenario. If there is no first round bye and all 6 teams play, that would leave 3 teams for the next round.
SB prediction, G.B. 31 Pit 10
February 4th, 2011 at 7:40 am
heyward bey will be our next great corner ,corners dont have to catch
February 4th, 2011 at 7:41 am
the garbage.
only two HCs have ever been caught videocheating. one is lauded as God’s gift to coaching.
so much is made of Rooney’s “the model franchise”. the model franchise with a known rapist at the helm.
Walt Coleman, yes THAT Walt Coleman to ref the SB. disgusting.
Hope Woodson times a blitz, nails the rapist in the back, strips the ball and delivers a flying kick to the Tuckman all in one motion.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Good Morning Neilb, 24, JFB, Hwnrdr, Will, Aqua and the rest of Raider Nation!
February 4th, 2011 at 7:43 am
217.imaquaman Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 7:40 am
heyward bey will be our next great corner ,corners dont have to catch
—————————————————–
ouch!!
February 4th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Tim Brown is a hall of famer. The guy might have dropped 3 passes his whole career, he is one of the best punt returners in the history of the game and he didn’t miss a snap until very late in his career and never shot his mouth off in an era where wideouts talked more than they walked.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:44 am
I think the Steelers win 27-13
I am rooting for the Pack, but usually experience prevails in Super Bowl games.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Morning R8eray.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:45 am
4 division winners play 2nd place within their div.only cause that would leave even amount of teams …4 games 2 games 1 game per weekend,same for both conf.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Good Morning M…isn’t it Walt Anderson to referee the game on Sunday?
February 4th, 2011 at 7:47 am
tim blew out a knee early on missed almost a whole season around 2nd or 3rd season i think
February 4th, 2011 at 7:47 am
221.Carl Weathers Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Tim Brown is a hall of famer. The guy might have dropped 3 passes his whole career, ……
+++++++++++++++++++
Hmmmm, I agree about the HOF stuff, but I remember Timmy dropping more than three passes. I remember getting pissed at Timmy sometimes for dropping balls and then I would see his tape covered hands and think he might have caught that one if he had a little less tape on his fingers!
February 4th, 2011 at 7:47 am
Oh you’re adding 2 teams, i c.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:49 am
2nd season.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:49 am
OK, obviously exaggerating with the 3 drops but I remember him having great hands. He didn’t drop many. If they kept those stats from the beginning of his career I’m sure it’s a real low number.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:50 am
a flying kick isn’t enough for coleman!!! insertion of the cleated shoe would be more like it.. when tuck rule works the coliseum he is jeered all game. and won’t come close to the black hole,, he knows,,,
February 4th, 2011 at 7:50 am
actually i think kansas city did it on purpose seems on the replay you could hear someone saying your going down timmy in the back ground noise on a kick off sure enough they got him ,i think they tried to wash it under the table
February 4th, 2011 at 7:50 am
imaquaman Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 7:47 am
tim blew out a knee early on missed almost a whole season around 2nd or 3rd season i think
************
Is that true? If so my memory is shot!
February 4th, 2011 at 7:51 am
If we had two shutdown corners wouldn’t we put more players in the box to defend the run and attack the QB?
Isn’t that the Al Davis way?
*********
Yeah lol… which would make it even easier to get over on slants and quick ins, and circle routes for HBs
February 4th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Damn Spurs! I thought they were dead in the water after the last couple of years….looks like they are back.
If the Lakers can’t beat them in the playoffs, I hope they take down the Heat or Celtics.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Hwnrdr,
you are correct. Walt Andersen. I misheard the name this morning.
So Woodson only has to deliver flying dropkicks to the QB.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:53 am
[...] teams are able to franchise players, you can expect the Raiders to use it on DT Richard Seymour for the second year in a row, meaning he’ll get a raise of at least [...]
February 4th, 2011 at 7:54 am
Tims first game and he scores against Denver on a punt return?
Tims first game second season and he blows out a knee and is gone for nearly 2 seasons.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:56 am
1989 Tim Brown missed the whole season… I probably don’t remember because it was only his 2nd year and we already had Gault, Swervin Mervin & Lofton might have still been on the team as well.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:58 am
That took away his spead, but in all, I think made hime a better receiver!
M…I’ll take that!
February 4th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Dakota,
has Baby Long Worthy started speaking yet? I can imagine his first words might be, “jeebus flocking xrist dad can we move to a warmer climate?!” it may sound more like “gub gub gub” but the meaning is there.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Art had Gault and Merv as his starters.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:01 am
# neilb Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 7:43 am
217.imaquaman Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 7:40 am
heyward bey will be our next great corner ,corners dont have to catch
—————————————————–
ouch!!
……………………….
yea that is kinda harsh i guess ,you should see me during the games .especially if san diegos dan those guys are cheating fouts is calling the game .i dis like him with passion
February 4th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Super Futbol is all about one thing. Turnovers.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Off for some dinner.
Have a great Friday everyone.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:06 am
later raider
February 4th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Reece to TE? Are you smoking rocks? Miller is one of the best in the game and Myers is a good backup Reece needs to stay right where he is at he fits that role perfect and is a great option for a QB who get’s under pressure to dump it off to. Think smart before just writing crap
February 4th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Tim dropped two killer 3rd down plays in the Super Bowl.
I never re-watched the game for years until a few years ago.
Amazing how much we were dominating the first 10 minutes of the game. We got the pick on the first drive, moved the ball a little before settling for 3, recovered the ensuing fumbled kickoff (but it was overturned by replay) than Rod Woodson had an easy pick 6 dropped. Raiders also got the ball at midfield tied 3-3 at the end of the first quarter……….and than it was also amazing how quickly it feel apart defensively, and than our offense couldn’t get a 1st down (Tim’s drops didn’t help) and the seams just blew open.
Went from 3-3 with like 12 minutes to play in the 2nd quarter, to 34-3 with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter.
Seemed to happen in the blink of an eye.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:15 am
I try to put that Superbowl far out of reach, but as a Raider Fan I can’t! That was a melt down and Barrett Robbins put a curse on us like the Billy Goat (well…maybe not but it sure did feel like it)!
February 4th, 2011 at 8:20 am
I’m pretty sure TB’s knee injury happened on a KO return.
Years later, when the Raids drafted CWood, he wanted to return KOs and punts. CWood was a great return man at Mich. But the Raids didn’t let that happen. CWood was deemed too valuable to risk returning kicks, and a large part of this was due to TB getting injured returning a kick.
Interesting to note, in the NFC championship game 2 weeks ago, when the Bears got within striking distance late in the game and the Packers needed an absolutely sure handed punt returner – CWood was the man they went to. Hadn’t been back there all day in that role, but when it was crunch time and no room for error, CWood got the call.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:21 am
Hwnrdr, the curse is still going strong until this team gets into the playoffs and wins. I’m still shocked we swept the division and finished THIRD!!!
February 4th, 2011 at 8:22 am
The Raiders use to use C-Wood and than Tim Brown later in his career in the same role fair-catching pooch punts.
Not using Woodson’t talents with the ball in his hands was a horrible waste of an opportunity by the Raiders.
I am pretty sure he is a better WR right now, than DHB is.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:23 am
I know right? That still got me scratching my head! What can we brag about?
February 4th, 2011 at 8:25 am
CWood did see some time at WR, not much but he did play offense, I think he had some returns too.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:25 am
yea barret robbins was kinda a scape goat wasnt even there and got all the blame for the lose.seems like the blame coulda got divied out a little to some of the players that actually played that day ,but nooo blame it on the bipolar crack addict
February 4th, 2011 at 8:27 am
I think I’m gonna watch the 2nd beatdown of the Chargers as a pre-SB game on Sunday.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:30 am
That would be a good one to watch, CW!
February 4th, 2011 at 8:31 am
I still can’t believe Al let CWood go, makes me think he will do the same with Nnamdi. For all the stink he makes about drafting corners and developing them, he sure does let them go easily, even once they are stars.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Vegas,
I think that was a big part of why Woodson wanted out. Jerry said he seemed bored and disinterested in Oakland.
I think he wanted to return punts like he did in college and the Raiders wouldn’t let him due to injury concerns. Perhaps bcause of what happened to Tim Brown RM99.
Maybe he wasn’t a west coast kinda guy. Wanted to get back closer to home and his mid-west roots. Just speculatin.
All I know is the other night some guy named OhioRaider said Woodson wanted to play for a winner.
I thought WTF? Woodson experinced plenty of success in Oakland. He played in the damn SB. How long has he been in Green Bay before he’s just now getting back? It’s been awhile. That’s the kind of negativism that pizzes me off on here.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Did Robbins disappearance in Super Bowl 37 change the outcome?
February 4th, 2011 at 8:34 am
BBB,
I hate that CWood is gone, but who knows what he would have been here in Oakland if he had stayed? His last couple years here he was disgruntled and injury prone. I can see why Al let him get away. He turned it around in GB because they had a decent structure. I don’t know if he would have developed like that in Oakland.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:39 am
I think after the Super Bowl fiasco, followed by the 2003 debacle, C-Wood needed some new scenary.
I don’t think it had to do to much with winning and losing as much as just kind of a fresh start, with a little fresher defense.
I still expect Chuck Wood to make the Rod Woodson change to FS (or maybe SS with his physicalness) and eek out 3-4 really good, Pro Bowl level years at Safety to end his HOF career.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:39 am
I still remember the sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach when that was the first headline I saw when turning on the tv SB morning.
Raiders center Barret Robbins dismissed from team and sent home by HC Bill Callahan. WTF?
Not the way to start the day. I feel sorry for BR. The man has a mental illness and has lost almost everything.
I don’t blame him for the loss at all. But it sure didn’t help any.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:42 am
yea al has an eye for db’s always has im sure he he says i’ll just get me another db that is cheap now that is going to be great .over als career how many players has he cut traded ,released or sat down or simply replaced i’ll bet the numbers are very high and every player is just another number .but he does bring back the ones he likes on some capacity
February 4th, 2011 at 8:42 am
r8eray Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Did Robbins disappearance in Super Bowl 37 change the outcome?
Probably wouldn’t have changed the outcome but I think The Raiders could have adjusted more! Maybe even squeak it out! But those were the years that a good D always outweighed a good O…wasn’t it number one vs number one?
February 4th, 2011 at 8:47 am
I got up at like 5am on the Super Bowl day, with a few buddies, and I remember vividly attempting to BBQ eggs and bacon when my buddy yelled at me to come in and watch the ESPN report.
We kind of laughed at first, Tijuana stories at 7am after a few mimosa’s and a few blunts will make you laugh, and than reality set in a few hours later that we were screwed.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Totally agreed Dakota, his stats in Green Bay totally dwarf what he did in Oakland (Al’s stupid scheme). He would have never lasted here; but that is what I dont get about Al; for all his talk of being a player’s owner, and clearly his favorite players are cornerbacks, and yet his biggest stars at CB in the last 10 years are probably both gonna end up walking away from the organization because Al didnt keep them happy.
Al just doesn’t give fans much to care about. If you are gonna sacrifice everything to develop the best man-to-man cornerbacks in the league, at least keep them. Our 2011 starters on the outside could have been Nnamdi on the left and Woodson on the right, instead it may be Stanford Routt and Chris Johnson…
February 4th, 2011 at 8:53 am
yea offense wins games ,defense wins championships .watch some old sb games one thing the winners all have in common the defense doesnt miss tackles
February 4th, 2011 at 8:54 am
C wood was bored here. He should have been used like he is being used in GB. Not just left out on an island to cover fast WR’s which was not his strong suit. We should redifine Nmandi’s role here and emulate what they do with C wood in GB. Nickel corner in the box, closer to the action, occasional blitzer. Make the QB account for him on every play. Nmandi has those same skill sets. he is a very good tackler and faster than c-wood.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:55 am
NFL hasn’t really had a two way player since Mel Gray of the St Louis Cards in the late 70’s/early 80’s.
Gray was a great WR, a superb DB, and also a fantastic return man.
Gray was always on the field delivering big plays. A truly great player.
Cwood was also one of those ‘once in a generation’ athletes that was easily capable of playing offense, defense and special teams – and be dominating in all 3 categories.
Shame the Raids didn’t more fully exploit all of CWood’s abilities and that he didn’t spend his entire career in Silver and Black.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:56 am
Look at the Maurkice Pouncey situation this year, a lot of people saying that the Steelers can’t win without him playing. The Barrett Robbins situation was like 10 times worse: he was a veteran pro-bowler, team leader, and nobody knew he would be missing until the day of, so there was no practice snaps for Treu.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:56 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 8:47 am reality set in a few hours later that we were screwed.
***********
REality set in for me when I knew Gruden and the Bucs were our opponents. I bet on every SB but on that Sunday I bet only on the over.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:58 am
your right if the qb has his head on a swivel looking for someone on the other team hes not looking for his wideouts ,more time for our d line to do its job
February 4th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Didn’t Deion Sanders play offense? I could be confused because of his baseball years.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Marecic from Stanford might be able to play both ways in the NFL. He is an all-pro caliber FB, and on the right team I think he could be a decent 34 ILB.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:06 am
yea primetime was just that he talked alot but always backed it up .there was talk about him joining the raiders before the sb he wanted to but some one picked him up before we could get him just so we couldnt
February 4th, 2011 at 9:07 am
I think Deion might have seen a very rare snap on offense as a WR. Not completely sure about that. Can vaguely remember him making a catch as a WR for the Cowboys.
Certainly he was a great return man.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:09 am
that guy (deion)had an eye for winning teams too ,he would change teams and win a sb ,he got a few rings
February 4th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Didn’t Prime Time try and get to the Raiders during the 2002 season, but when he was waived by the Redskins some team higher on the waiver list claimed him? Broncos maybe?
I remember being pissed, thinking Prime Time at Nickle would be nice!
February 4th, 2011 at 9:14 am
imaquaman Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:09 am
that guy (deion)had an eye for winning teams too ,he would change teams and win a sb ,he got a few rings
********
Did he get a ring with the Ravens?
February 4th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Prime refused to play for Washington and his rights was later given to San Diego (because I believe that SD had the worst record). He wanted to return during the playoffs that year only to be rejected by SD…not sure if he would’ve made a complete difference though…
February 4th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Would have been cool to see Prime Time in a Raiders’ uni.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:23 am
deions stats
Interceptions 53
Interception return yards 1,331
Touchdowns 22
yea those damn broncos
i googled it no ring with ravens
February 4th, 2011 at 9:26 am
broncos ?it was one those $#$# teams that was trying to get to us even when they were out of it
February 4th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Someone mentioned Al’s ability to spot talent at the corner position.
I think there’s some validity to that even after the DeAngelo Hall misfire, and PBuchanon.
It should be noted that Al was able to see the potential for Lester Hayes to play CB, after he was a safety at Tex A&M.
Similarly, he was able to project Nnamdi as a corner even though he was primarily a safety at Cal.
Davis has also had success in switching FB’s to TE. Todd Christianson being most notable.
Davis has also experimented with switching DE’s to LB recently without much success, as evidenced by Irons, Brayton, and TScott.
You’re gonna strike out alot trying to move players around, but sometimes you’re also going to have a guy make a successful transition and thrive.
I’m curious to see what the Raids do with Marcell Reese. Guy definitely has the ability to play at the NFL level, just not sure at what position. Not sold on him as a FB yet, although he might develop. Have a feeling he’s going to see more time as a TE in 2011.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Although I admit that Tory James was a pretty good nickel back….still would have been cool to have CWood, E. Allen, Rod Woodson and Prime Time patrolling the field.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:32 am
60 passes for 784 yards 3tds on offense
February 4th, 2011 at 9:38 am
I think there’s some validity to that even after the DeAngelo Hall misfire, and PBuchanon.
……………………..
oh your talking about that pro bowl mvp .can you believe that .he had a good game this year too with like 3 or 4 ints
February 4th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Does anyone know a good torrent site that doesn’t require sign up?
February 4th, 2011 at 9:44 am
i think maybe bit torrent
February 4th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Regarding Deion,
He had 60 careeer rec.’s and his best was 1996, 36/475/1 TD.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Dakota Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Didn’t Prime Time try and get to the Raiders during the 2002 season, but when he was waived by the Redskins some team higher on the waiver list claimed him? Broncos maybe?
I remember being pissed, thinking Prime Time at Nickle would be nice!
—-
Ya…Deion said on the CBS pregame that he would sign with the Raiders given the opportunity…Al called the Redskins and they agreed to waive him off the reserve/retired list…he had to pass thru waivers and of course…the last place Chargers blocked by claiming him…
Was that close to ordering my Deion Sanders Raiders jersey
February 4th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Giants signed Todd Watkins! What are we going to do when we need to sign up another useless WR?
February 4th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Dakota Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Giants signed Todd Watkins! What are we going to do when we need to sign up another useless WR?
—-
We drafted DHB in anticipation that this would happen..
February 4th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Shatenheimer musta been behind the Deion claim.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:57 am
On September 9, 1995 (which happened to fall in Week 2 of that NFL season), Sanders signed a lucrative contract with the Dallas Cowboys (seven years, $35 million with a $12.99 million signing bonus), essentially making him, at the time, the highest-paid defensive player in the NFL. Sanders later stated in his book Power, Money & Sex: How Success Almost Ruined My Life that the Oakland Raiders offered him more money than any other team, but he chose to play in Dallas for more time on the offensive side of the ball, a chance to win back-to-back Super Bowls, and because of his friendship with Cowboys wide receiver Michael Irvin.
February 4th, 2011 at 9:58 am
by friendship he means they had the same coke dealer…
February 4th, 2011 at 9:58 am
apparently the raiders have the worst field in the league,i guess with the infield thing thats not a surprise.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/18250/bucs-panthers-have-top-playing-fields?utm_source=bleacherreport.com
February 4th, 2011 at 9:58 am
aka Leon Lett..
February 4th, 2011 at 10:01 am
lol
February 4th, 2011 at 10:01 am
294.DeuceDeuce Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Dakota Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Giants signed Todd Watkins! What are we going to do when we need to sign up another useless WR?
—-
We drafted DHB in anticipation that this would happen..
++++++++++++++++++
LMFAO
Comment of the day
February 4th, 2011 at 10:13 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:58 am
by friendship he means they had the same coke dealer…
++++++++++++++++
This has to be the comment of the day
February 4th, 2011 at 10:17 am
All this talk yesterday about rappers and nobody even mentioned Oaktown’s own ‘Too Short’…. WTF??
I really hope the Nation is pulling for Green Bay and not the Sh#ttsburgh Queerlers on Sunday… I’m STILL sour over the theft of a championship that occured in ‘72 and the ‘Immaculant DE-ception’!!
My line for Sh#ttsburgh… “Ef those Effing Effers”!!
Also hoping big Al can land Moss or D. Perry as Def Coordinator….
Win, lose or tie… RAIDERS til i DIE!!
February 4th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Anybody who thinks CWood was bored in Oakland is trippin’ he was partying and clubbin to be bored. He needed to grow up and take the game more seriously. He never studied film when he was here he just went out and wing everything. He would also not train the way he should. I think he was shocked when the Raiders let him go.
He was always the best athlete on the team so he just never put the game first. He never practiced from about midseason on even til the SB where he was still hurt. That’s like 3 months with no practice. Yet he still didn’t watch film.
When he got ot GB he got in shape watched film and practiced for the first time in his career……….period
February 4th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Regarding Deion,
He had 60 careeer rec.’s and his best was 1996, 36/475/1 TD.
****************************
So the guy was basically able to be DHB in his spare time from being one of the best cover corners and punt returners ever.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:20 am
priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Anybody who thinks CWood was bored in Oakland is trippin’ he was partying and clubbin to be bored. He needed to grow up and take the game more seriously. He never studied film when he was here he just went out and wing everything. He would also not train the way he should. I think he was shocked when the Raiders let him go.
He was always the best athlete on the team so he just never put the game first. He never practiced from about midseason on even til the SB where he was still hurt. That’s like 3 months with no practice. Yet he still didn’t watch film.
When he got ot GB he got in shape watched film and practiced for the first time in his career……….period
—-
Charlie……..Garner……
February 4th, 2011 at 10:20 am
All this talk yesterday about rappers…makes me sick
February 4th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Rapping and Basketball are the two ghayest things in the universe.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Regarding Deion,
He had 60 careeer rec.’s and his best was 1996, 36/475/1 TD.
****************************
So the guy was basically able to be DHB in his spare time from being one of the best cover corners and punt returners ever.
—-
THATS IT!!!!!
DHB needs to be converted to CB now!!!!
February 4th, 2011 at 10:21 am
When he got ot GB he got in shape watched film and practiced for the first time in his career……….period
****************
Which brings me back to the point I have hammered on 1000 times. This is why the Raiders have mostly sucked for the last 28 years. There is no accountability. Players are ALLOWED to not practice, not study film go clubbin etc etc…
February 4th, 2011 at 10:28 am
I’ve already mentally checked out on Nnamdi. There is no way he stays. We can’t afford him, simply put. We could reload with 4 average players frmo other teams to make up the void he’ll leave. As for Seymour, you have to tag him. Without Seymour, we go from bad on run defense to embarassing real fast.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I don’t mind Al’s idea of letting men be men, but you can’t hire men like Phillip Buchanan, Jamarcus Russell and Javon Walker and expect them to inspire themselves to work hard.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:31 am
JFB, Post 312… Exactly!
February 4th, 2011 at 10:36 am
RaiderIve Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:28 am
I’ve already mentally checked out on Nnamdi. There is no way he stays. We can’t afford him, simply put.
************
Of all the reasons Nnamdi may leave, us being able to afford him is definitely NOT one of them. I guarantee you no team in the NFL will pay him what we offer him. Im guessing 60 mill/4 years with about 35-37 guaranteed.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I don’t mind Al’s idea of letting men be men, but you can’t hire men like Phillip Buchanan, Jamarcus Russell and Javon Walker and expect them to inspire themselves to work hard.
—-
Whos Phillip Buchanon?….oh you mean “Showtime”…lol
February 4th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Post #304
preisttj
you are 100% correct.
Cwood would be out and about Saturday nights until
3-4am. Especially when r&b singer Mya was in town.
She was jocking cwood something vicious.
Made pro bowls early in career with no film study.
It worked for him. He figured Why study film when come gametime he was still the best CB in the game. Fell into bad habits but still performed at a high level.
When he got to green bay. There is no night life.
He had minimal chances to party. He buckled down.
Started to study film. He had nothing else to do.
It worked to his benefit.
If he had to do it all again he would repeat his steps with zero regret.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:39 am
only way we sign Nnamdi & Seymour longterm is if we backload em to help out this year…which is possible…
February 4th, 2011 at 10:48 am
If Nnamdi stays they should make him an assistant coach. Then make film studying mandatory with Nnamdi in charge. Problem is we got one Nnamdi and a bunch of inconsistent db’s who continually lose games by giving up the big play or allowing 4th quarter comebacks.
Raiders pass defense is abysmal.
Who cares if nobody throws Nnamdi’s way.
Doesn’t matter when you can pick apart the other db’s with ease.
DB coach should be fired.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:59 am
No one is going to be signed because there will be a work stoppage next year…I am hoping for scabs!!
February 4th, 2011 at 11:01 am
I would ratehr pay $20 to go to a game where they used scabs than pay $35 to see these prima donna athletes dancing after making a simple tackle (while losing by 20 points)I am sick of the showboating “Look at ME” athlete of today.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:03 am
I hope we resign Asomugha.
I dont agree with the hate on Routt and Cjohnson tho.
They are above average CBs in the NFL.
It just dont look that way because of how our Defensive scheme works.
I’m all for an upgrade tho…
Champ Bailey on the opposite side of Asomugha sounds good to me…
February 4th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Didnt Joe Montana cross the picket line to play during the last work stoppage?
I may have “misremembered” that.
Hoping for scabs?
What if we get replacement players.
Keanu Reeves as our QB… it will be like…”whoa”…
February 4th, 2011 at 11:09 am
or how about Nicholas Cage as a RB
February 4th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Hoping for scabs?
What if we get replacement players.
************
There is a lockout looming not a strike. You get replacement players when regular players strike. That is not the case here. The owners are locking the players out. The owners are stopping the game, they certainly arent going to pay replacement players, if they do the real NFL players will have a MAJOR lawsuit against the owners.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Cwood would be out and about Saturday nights until
3-4am. Especially when r&b singer Mya was in town.
She was jocking cwood something vicious.
+++++++++++++++
CWood was putting it to Mya? Hah. Never knew that. Good show, Charlie…she’s fiiiiiinnneeeee.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Lock out or Strike doesnt matter it means no football next year…..if that means no scabs then it means that college football will be HUGE next year.
Its all about greed anyways.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Oh you mean like Tom Cable in Indiannapolis that last strike shortened year? LOL
February 4th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Giants signed Todd Watkins!
***
who?
the Raiders have plans to replace JLH & Nick Miller with Jerry Porter & Ronald Curry!
Ashley Lelie will be added in Week 5 when Chaz is placed on I.R.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:31 am
champ bailey is a raider hater, I don’t see him playing here.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:33 am
# priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Anybody who thinks CWood was bored in Oakland is trippin’ he was partying and clubbin to be bored. He needed to grow up and take the game more seriously. He never studied film when he was here he just went out and wing everything. He would also not train the way he should. I think he was shocked when the Raiders let him go.
He was always the best athlete on the team so he just never put the game first. He never practiced from about midseason on even til the SB where he was still hurt. That’s like 3 months with no practice. Yet he still didn’t watch film.
When he got ot GB he got in shape watched film and practiced for the first time in his career……….period
=====================
Way to rip on the Raiders, and Al, TJ.
You so stupid you don’t realize you just proved many posters points?
He was ALLOWED to do all the above. Then he goes where players are expected to give their all, and he does just that.
This is why players make comments about careers going to Oakland to die. Or stagnate. Then the Halls, and the Woods, and the Walkers, and the Moss’s, etc go elsewhere and shine, just proving the point more.
Goes back to Al’s reply, when asked “How can youlet your players party, and get drunk before a game?”. His “just win” made it very clear to all effort, and commitment is not necessary.
This blog here reported how Garcia would run between stations, a good example for JR. JR? he walked. slowly.
and was allowed to.
So, how hard is it to figure out who created the monsters?
February 4th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Champ Bailey sucks. I’d rather just keep Stan Routt
February 4th, 2011 at 11:37 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I don’t mind Al’s idea of letting men be men, but you can’t hire men like Phillip Buchanan, Jamarcus Russell and Javon Walker and expect them to inspire themselves to work hard.
====================
Kind of contradicted yourself there.
Can’t pick and choose an attitude, or work skill.
The fact JR was allowed to fall asleep more than once, with nothing more than a handslap, shows the inmates are running the asylum.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:38 am
raiderjhawk Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 11:31 am
champ bailey is a raider hater, I don’t see him playing here.
Kind of like Michael Crabtree blowing a sigh of relief with his dad when Al drafted DHB?
I think Champ wants out, and if Al breaks the bank on him (Gawd, I hope not) then I think he will…
February 4th, 2011 at 11:39 am
There’s no accountability in the Oakland Organization from top to bottom.
It’s crucial that they bring in self-motivated high character guys.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:40 am
the inmates are running the asylum
***
Sammy,
they always have!
Jon Gruden didn’t tolerate this crap and neither did Rich Gannon. the players hated Rich for taking on the role of thier parent or babysitter … but we produced on Sundays (all that matters)
Al Davis is a players owner. Hue Jackson is a players coach. Jason Campbell is a cool & calm guy that doesn’t tell other guys what to do or how to handle their business
2011 Raiders = 4-12
Print That!
February 4th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Richard Seymour brought more accountability to the Raiders than anybody since Rich Gannon.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:43 am
I agree Rockstar…JC needs to get in people’s faces when their assignment is blowned, etc…
However, I think we’ll win more than 4 games, though!
February 4th, 2011 at 11:44 am
It’s crucial that they bring in self-motivated high character guys
***
that was Tom Cable’s mission. expect MUCH change with Jackson in charge
if Terrell Owens, Tank Johnson & Pacman Jones are all available we might land the whole trio
February 4th, 2011 at 11:46 am
if Terrell Owens, Tank Johnson & Pacman Jones are all available we might land the whole trio
NOOOOOO!!!!
February 4th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Can’t pick and choose an attitude, or work skill.
****************************
Absolutely you can.
It’s Al’s choice who he wants on his team, and really who is going to play.
If you are going to foster this turn the other cheek environment on the players, you need high-character guys, or at least guys who can’t stand losing and being embaressed.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:50 am
# mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Post #304
preisttj
you are 100% correct.
Cwood would be out and about Saturday nights until
3-4am. Especially when r&b singer Mya was in town.
She was jocking cwood something vicious.
Made pro bowls early in career with no film study.
It worked for him. He figured Why study film when come gametime he was still the best CB in the game. Fell into bad habits but still performed at a high level.
When he got to green bay. There is no night life.
He had minimal chances to party. He buckled down.
Started to study film. He had nothing else to do.
It worked to his benefit.
If he had to do it all again he would repeat his steps with zero regret.
============================
ridiculous comment.
No night life in GB??
There is over 150 clubs. Another 50plus bar and grills. More than a dozen Sports Pubs.
Team told him what was expected of him. What was not allowed. And he did what was EXPECTED OF HIM.
he was allowed to go halfass in Oak.
JR was allowed to sleep, and walk, and not study.
You’re kind of slow, aren’t ya?
February 4th, 2011 at 11:52 am
NOOOOOO!!!!
***
Hwnrdr,
the Raiders are having Charles Rogers & Matt Jones in for a workout as we speak!
February 4th, 2011 at 11:53 am
336.KoolKell Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Richard Seymour brought more accountability to the Raiders than anybody since Rich Gannon.
*************************
Mornin Sir KK,
Very true, and he played well too. For this he must be kept, and paid.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Hue Jackson & Chuck Bresnahan both have ties to LB Odell Thurman.
theres your replacement for Thomas Howard!
February 4th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Can’t pick and choose an attitude, or work skill.
****************************
Absolutely you can.
It’s Al’s choice who he wants on his team, and really who is going to play.
If you are going to foster this turn the other cheek environment on the players, you need high-character guys, or at least guys who can’t stand losing and being embaressed.
=======================
what I mean is you said you have no prob with Al letting men be men, followed by stating can’t hire some and expect them to motivate themselves.
That’s what I mean by can’t pick and choose. You don’t always know who’s self motivated. Many want to be the best. Others are happy doing just what’s expected, nothing more. Others will do the bare minimum (See JR) and see if it flies.
When players know, across the board, what’s expected of everyone, then you have a cohesive team, that doesn’t point fingers along the way, or wonder what if.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Matt Maiocco (twitter)
what’s a quality control coach?
Entry level with no specific position coaching. Involves film and clerical duties
***
so this is what Sanjay Lal did in 2007 & 2008 to impress Al Davis enough for a promotion to WR Coach in 2009?
ridiculous!
February 4th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Rockstar you’re on a roll here…stop…lol
February 4th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Matt Maiocco (twitter)
what’s a quality control coach?
Entry level with no specific position coaching. Involves film and clerical duties
***
so this is what Sanjay Lal did in 2007 & 2008 to impress Al Davis enough for a promotion to WR Coach in 2009?
ridiculous!
—-
a lot of coaches get their start as a QC type… not defending Lal…jus sayin, its not uncommon
February 4th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Brad Roll spent 2006-07 with the St. Louis Rams after two years as strength and conditioning coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. He spent eight seasons as the assistant strength and conditioning coach for the Miami Dolphins (1996-03).
***
Yikes!
I miss Jeff Fish …
February 4th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
With Hue Jack cities background as a WR coach…i could care less what Lal does..
February 4th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Mike Tomlin told Suzy Kolber that Steelers center Maurkice Pouncey did not practice and has been ruled of Super Bowl XLV
***
Packers win 35-21
February 4th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 11:40 am
the inmates are running the asylum
***
Sammy,
they always have!
Jon Gruden didn’t tolerate this crap and neither did Rich Gannon. the players hated Rich for taking on the role of thier parent or babysitter … but we produced on Sundays (all that matters)
Al Davis is a players owner. Hue Jackson is a players coach. Jason Campbell is a cool & calm guy that doesn’t tell other guys what to do or how to handle their business
2011 Raiders = 4-12
Print That!
=====================
I sadly agree.
When I read posts saying ‘coach can relate to players because of demographics, schooling, race, etc” tells me some don’t have a clue.
These are grown ass men, with a serious job to do. Success of everyone depends on whether or not you have someone kicking ass when needed. Someone demanding more. someone calling someone out, when needed.
Exactly on JC. He’s not a leader. Sadly seems content in not being a leader.
Hue is already on Al’s sac, which also isn’t a positive.
He benched JC, twice, but now is got madlove for the guy?
Players see through that.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Kenrick Ellis, anyone?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Is Jay Cutler a leader, he yells & screams?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Sammy,
I like Jason Campbell. I think he has loads of talent
…but I don’t see him as the type to put the team on his shoulders and WILL it to victory
I think he’s content being a role player. DHB has the same mentality. He could have a game with 0 catches and a fumbled reverse, but when they interview him after the game he’s bragging about a block he made when McFadden ran for 30 yards
no killer instinct. they don’t have “it”. but sadly, he’s the best on the roster and probably better than anything in free agency or the draft (Rounds 3-7)
February 4th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Is Aaron Rodgers a screamer?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
SammyTheBull Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 11:50 am
# mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Post #304
preisttj
you are 100% correct.
Cwood would be out and about Saturday nights until
3-4am. Especially when r&b singer Mya was in town.
She was jocking cwood something vicious.
Made pro bowls early in career with no film study.
It worked for him. He figured Why study film when come gametime he was still the best CB in the game. Fell into bad habits but still performed at a high level.
When he got to green bay. There is no night life.
He had minimal chances to party. He buckled down.
Started to study film. He had nothing else to do.
It worked to his benefit.
If he had to do it all again he would repeat his steps with zero regret.
============================
ridiculous comment.
No night life in GB??
There is over 150 clubs. Another 50plus bar and grills. More than a dozen Sports Pubs.
Team told him what was expected of him. What was not allowed. And he did what was EXPECTED OF HIM.
he was allowed to go halfass in Oak.
JR was allowed to sleep, and walk, and not study.
You’re kind of slow, aren’t ya?
$$$$$$$$$$
Insults huh?
Yea i admit i may be slow at times.
Especially when i’m leaning off this Bo.
Cwood was allowed to coast here because he got results.
As soon as he started getting hurt and his play was not as steady he fell out of favor.
I have never been to Green Bay.
But I be out around the here a lot.
I dont think its fair to compare Green Bay night life to Oaklnd/San Francisco night life.
Maybe you and your friends are comfortable out there in Green Bay.
Charles was not.
Have you ever even spoke with Charles Woodson?
I have, and i can tell you that my statement was not ridiculous.
But thats your opinion.
I spoke of what he said.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Jay Cutler is a leader. He has that Brett Favre gunslinger thing going on though where he could have 300 yards and 4 TD’s one week and 150 yards and 3 INT’s the next … to be fair, Cutler was saddled with a HORRIBLE WR Corps & OL in Chicago the past 2 years and he’s still saved Lovie Smith’s job
February 4th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Richochet (Sammy) likes to go to Green Bay just put on the disco suit and take in the night life. In fact, that’s what Green Bay is known for.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Richochet (Sammy), wasn’t Saturday Night Fever shot in Green Bay?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Is Aaron Rodgers a screamer?
……….
LOL. Jesus Christ, Kell. Who got you fired up today?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Is Jay Cutler a leader, he yells & screams?
—-
I guess Kevin Garnett is the biggest leader ever then…lol
February 4th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Despite the high levels of negative energy floating about in here?
I would like to think Richard Seymour stays.
The GREAT Richard Seymour has as much character and leadership in him as any Rich Gannon (great for a short time himself!) or Jon Gruden.
To claim the current roster (whatever becomes of it) doesn’t have the character necessary to take the next step is fallacy…and certainly not proven in fact.
How many of these guys have made the (bad) news lately? (and NO, RMcClain being shot AT doesn’t mean he deserved it, or he did anything wrong). How many of these guys have stressed the importance of teamwork, and building on the foundation they’ve made for themselves?
Why would one ASSUME the young guys on this team, who’ve already exhibited their maturity in so many ways, can’t step-up and be the leaders the team needs — with or without the likes of Nnamdi (please stay) and Seymour (MUST stay, in my book)?
We’ve got lots of high-character guys on the team, and we need more talented, high-character guys to join them.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
QBs that yell/scream do not equal good leader.
I dont like the “JaJason” remarks.
I thought Campbell was the best QB to come out his draft. I liked him over both Alex Smith and Arron Rodgers. Hindsight I would have took Rodgers over Campbell.
Campbells biggest flaw is his slow wind-up to release the football.
He needs to improve on his deep pass accuracy.
WRs should not have to slow down to catch a deep bomb.
Dont judge him off his facial expression.
Thats just his natural demeanor.
Doesnt get too high.
Doesnt get too low.
I like that type of emotion from a QB.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Don’t forget about the women of Green Bay. Woodson is surrounded by temptation by those warm Green Bay women somewhere underneath 8 layers of clothing.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
In Green Bay players have to watch out for gold digging women and polar bears.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Dont judge him off his facial expression.
Thats just his natural demeanor.
Doesnt get too high.
Doesnt get too low.
I like that type of emotion from a QB.
I dont like the “JaJason” remarks
***
Mack,
thats exactly what people said about that sloth with “Russell” on the back of his jersey!
I don’t think the “JaJason” remarks are funny either. Raiderman99 is as ignorant as they come. Jason went 2-0 against the Chargers and JaMarcus went 0-6
Jason won 8 games in less than a full season. JaMarcus won 9 games in his 3 year NFL career
February 4th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
BTW
You guys really dont want Champ Bailey here opposite of Asomugha?
Cause he a raider hater?
I dont care about that. Wasnt Romonowski a “raider Hater” before he join Oakland?
Cause he sucks?
I admit his skills have declined.
But he does not suck.
I think Champ would be an upgrade over both Routt and Cjohnson. Both are above avg CBs.
I may be wrong… but I doubt it…
February 4th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/04/draft-prospect-to-watch-colorado-cornerback-jimmy-smith/
Draft prospect to watch: Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith
Posted by Evan Silva on February 4, 2011, 2:45 PM EST
Patrick Peterson (LSU) and Prince Amukamara (Nebraska) are widely considered the 2011 draft’s best two cornerback prospects. It caught my eye, then, that Russ Lande of Sporting News recently ranked Smith ahead of both Peterson and Amukamara as the position’s top draft-eligible.
Smith left school with only three career interceptions, but a closer look reveals a potential shutdown cornerback. As Gregg Rosenthal put it, “the Nnamdi Asomugha of the Big 12.”
According to statistics compiled by the University of Colorado, Smith was targeted just 20 times in man coverage throughout his 12-start senior season. He allowed 11 completions (55 percent) and one touchdown. The Big 12 has a reputation as one of the most pass-happy college football conferences. Clearly, offensive coordinators shied away from Smith.
Smith also garnered first-team All-Big 12 honors from the coaches, despite not picking off a single pass. It’s an obvious sign of respect.
The Colorado website, cubuffs.com, lists Smith with a 4.35 forty time at 6-foot-2 and 205 pounds. Though he currently ranks just fifth in Mike Mayock’s cornerback rankings, it seems like a good bet that Smith could be one of the biggest “risers” as the 2011 draft approaches.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Im all for getting Bailey if we can afford it..
But only if McFadden or Ware dont progress..
February 4th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
You guys really dont want Champ Bailey here opposite of Asomugha?
Cause he a raider hater?
…….
OMFG, someone actually said that? Tell them to ask their dad how much Lyle Alzado hated the Raiders before joining them.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Im all for drafting Jimmy Smith too lol…
February 4th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
You guys really dont want Champ Bailey here opposite of Asomugha?
Cause he a raider hater?
…….
OMFG, someone actually said that? Tell them to ask their dad how much Lyle Alzado hated the Raiders before joining them.
—-
VERY true..
February 4th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
In Green Bay players have to watch out for gold digging women and polar bears
***
MR,
women go after supervisors and managers of the cheese factory in GB
their form of “bling” is probably a pair of overalls with all the buttons and unripped pockets
February 4th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
LOL @ Real Madden Raider
Obviously your Green Bay knowledge is far superior to mines.
I only heard what Woodson said, and he just wasnt feeling it for one reason or another.
I’m sure you get it the point tho.
I know for a fact that I would not be comfortable out there.
I still feel weird when I’m in a city/town like Livermore.
(No disrepect to all Livermore Residents)
February 4th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Champ Bailey may have some coverage skills left, but not ranging all over the field…and he gets burned like Toast. Speed “goes fast” when CB’s reach his age.
NO to Bailey!
Anybody remember Toast?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Mack Madden, people travel the world over to hit the clubs on Lombardi Drive. Aspiring models move to Green Bay to be noticed. That’s what Charles Woodson has to deal with. He’s surrounded by temptation.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Rockstar
Jamarcus is the exception.
He was a cool dude too. Just wished he cared about football.
I still remember him trying to get a free bag of chips from that Shell gas station up there by golf links road.
Worker was clowning him:
“You not quarter back. You not even try. You not even play out there. Get out of here !!!”
(said a Middle eastern accent)
I said “So what. He can buy this whole Gas station if he wanted to”.
Jamarcus and I exchanged pleasantries as normal and went about our business.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
C wood will be studying his playbook, and all of a sudden a bunch of drunk teammates will show up on their snowmobile with supermodels. So don’t tell me Green Bay doesn’t have a night life.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Raiders should franchise tag Mr. Jon Condo!
February 4th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Best long snapper in the NFL, baby!
February 4th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Real Madden Raider
Please continue to enlighten me about Green Bay because I have no clue.
This is all new to me.
I am taking notes.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Richochet (Sammy) likes to go to Green Bay just put on the disco suit and take in the night life. In fact, that’s what Green Bay is known for.
===================
Oh, that’s right.
Whenever I pick on one of your multiple handles, you state I’m Ricochet. It appears you believe at least a handful of posters that expose your multitude of handles, just has to be rico.
You can say whatever you want, moron, but it won’t change the fact that whatever handle you post as, I’m your daddy, and you’re my little toy.
Oh, how coincidental was it that just TWO MINUTES after I puddle up on your mackmadden handle, did all of a sudden RealMaddenRaider show up?
You think everyone can’t see it’s you, posting like a moron, to yourself?
And glancing up to see if I was correct? YOU HAD A FULL EXCHANGE WITH YOURSELF LAST NIGHT, even patting yourself on the back, saying “oh boy, you are clever. You got me”
You’re one of the saddest excuses for a man I ever met, MackMoron.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
OK, MR…everybody gets it already. As usual, it goes on and on and on. Chase that tail!
There are lots of gorgeous women in WI (something MR can’t seem to fathom, because he never gets to be around any).
And you know an old-school playa like C-Dub (BHP nailed that one right on the head) knows where all those 150+ hot spots that “is” there (as STB/troll said) are!
February 4th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Mack Madden, Green Bay is also known for it’s theater. It’s often called the world’s capitol of theater. Aspiring actors from all of the world go to Green Bay. Brett Favre himself even did a little theater acting in the off season, playing the alien in the stage version of “The Thing”.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
# mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Real Madden Raider
Please continue to enlighten me about Green Bay because I have no clue.
This is all new to me.
I am taking notes.
============
See? lol. You are so pathetic, you sorry joke.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RaiderRetribution
Expect to hear from Bo Schembechler about that comment…its coming
February 4th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Sammy, come on. I only accuse you of being Richochet. Ever notice how whenever you call out a cross poster, they always make it look like you’re accusing everyone of cross posting? No, Sammy, just you. You are the only one here I accuse of being Richochet, because you are Richochet.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
I have to agree with Hayes, Raiders WRs burned Champ Bailey, Raiders should only pick up Bailey as a back-up/nickel/ or switch to safety and at the right price.
Even as a safety this is Mr. T. Branch’s 4th year, so this just might be his breakout season, last year he made big plays and gave up big plays, so we will know what we have long term this season in Tyvon.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Richochet, why the name change? Did you get banned under richochet?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
HayesDaze = expert on women and nightlife. OK…
February 4th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Mack even though I was somewhat scarcastic, the going salary for a LS, can’t be that much, so it would be a way of Al using the tag w/o spending a whole lot and keeping a key role player.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
If I need to get more info on Green Bay, I could go to wikipedia meself, MR. How smart is MR? He’s wikipedia smart!
February 4th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
LMAO, RMR is feelin’ it today
February 4th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
I doubt Sammy the bull is richochet.
He never insulted me for a post.
And I see how my name is similar to someone else.
And I have thought about changing it for that particualr reason.
But then I will be called a troll, cross poster. etc.
The dialogue Sammy the Bull has engaged with me is the primary reason why I have chosen no to post as often as I would like.
So Sammy, Have you spoken with Mr Woodson about his experience in Green Bay?
Just curious…
February 4th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Hayez, I think you get your information on women from wikipedia, too. But you’ve got a couple of sasquatch hotties in Green Bay, don’t you?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
I remember reading where Mack-RMR called out Rockstar, saying “no way you work and post all day.”
But when RMR was called out for being a lifeless unemployed live with grandma fatazz couchpotato, you posted you worked swing shift, that you do have a job.
Enlighten us, pray tell, on what swing shift job you have that allows you to post your whole shift. I mean, you post all morning, then all afternoon, and all night. Rockstar posts during day, at work, then he’s usually pretty much done, it seems.
But not you, loser. You live here, under a whole slew of names.
I say you lie, multiposter, and that the only job you have is cashing your welfare checks.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Sammy’s Richochet, mack-madden. I found out who he is in real life, too. He’s not a very liked person.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
# SammyTheBull Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
the only job you have is cashing your welfare checks.
……..
You’re one to talk.
February 4th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Tyvon Branch is playing good football…and if he can put-together great games he shows he can occasionally have, he can become one of the best Safeties in the League.
Branch, Huff and Mitchell all played well for the most part last year…and sometimes played exceptionally well.
If somehow our Safeties and WR corps all came of age at the same time, imagine what that would do to this team?
Ahhh…optimism. Remember that?
February 4th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
You’re one of the saddest excuses for a man I ever met, MackMoron.
$$$$$$$$$$
Have we met already?
If we did, you would have asked for my autograph.
And as the nice guy i am, i would have signed.
But hey, MackMoron is a nice name…
because I do go dumb…
February 4th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Richochet, how’s business?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
373.DeuceDeuce Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
You guys really dont want Champ Bailey here opposite of Asomugha?
Cause he a raider hater?
…….
OMFG, someone actually said that? Tell them to ask their dad how much Lyle Alzado hated the Raiders before joining them.
—-
VERY true..
****************
Or how bad the RAIDERS hated LA.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
I’ve been known to shake my dreads, too, MackMadden
February 4th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
[...] Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune reports that all signs point towards the Raiders franchising Richard Seymour for the second straight season. “It’s looking like the Raiders have every intention” of tagging Seymour writes McDonald. [...]
February 4th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
HEY NOW…
I used to be on welfare growing up.
We all were in my neighborhood.
I didnt know any better.
I thought everyone got food stamps, even my teachers, politicians, etc.
was just an ignorant kid trying to figuring out life.
I wish i was still got that government aid.
Free money = me money
February 4th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Shake em if you got em…
RaiderRetribution-
I know you were joking. I was just playing along.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
I’ve been known to shake my dreads, too, MackMadden
—————————-
Yeah…he took a 3-day Disney cruise, and the locals talked him into that $10 cheap dread weave that everybody laughed at back on board. The picture with Pluto is HILARIOUS!
What a Rasta Mon you are, MR!
February 4th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
mackmadden, failed businessmen like Richochet Sammy, who suck off of the government teet as much as anyone, love to talk about people on welfare to distract them from their dependency on government. Right Rico?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Hayes, I think we can do without your bigotry today.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
What bigotry would that be, MR? That’s a whiff right there.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Ricochet was a fun read at times.
sammy = ricochet???
I dont know, that would break my heart.
I liked ricochet.
Dude had some hilarious insults/name calling.
He the reason I call my friends “pumpkin” when they do/say something boneheaded.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
I know for a fact Sammy is Richochet, know who he is in real life, too. All I have to say is that it’s ironic he’d dare to call anyone else a loser, or mock someone for being on welfare. Two hints right there.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Free Agency in the NFL started in 1989 with Plan B. It marked a new way of operation for NFL teams.
In the 22 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
1 Pittsburgh 17
2 Philadelphia 15
3 Miami 14
4 Green Bay 14
5 New England 14
6 Minnesota 14
7 Indianapolis 14
8 Kansas City 13
9 Dallas 13
10 Denver 12
11 San Francisco 12
12 Tennessee 11
13 New York Giants 11
14 New York Jets 10
15 Buffalo 10
16 Tampa Bay 9
17 San Diego 9
18 Chicago 9
19 Seattle 8
20 Washington 8
21 Atlanta 8
22 New Orleans 8
23 Oakland 7
24 Detroit 6
25 St Louis 5
26 Cleveland 4
27 Arizona 3
28 Cincinnati 3
Jacksonville’s been in the NFL since 1995, 7 winning seasons
Carolina been in the NFL since 1995, 4 winning seasons
Baltimore’s been in the NFL since 1996, 8 winning seasons
Houston’s been in the NFL since 2002, 1 winning season.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Chase that tail, KK!!!
You forgot to mention how much you hate the Raiders!
February 4th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
For the record…
I always thought Ricochet was NOT the one prank calling Mr Kool Kell. That was just so childish.
I hope no one has to endure that kind of harassment because of a blog…
a BLOG people…… a BLOG……….
February 4th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Sammy, come on. I only accuse you of being Richochet. Ever notice how whenever you call out a cross poster, they always make it look like you’re accusing everyone of cross posting? No, Sammy, just you. You are the only one here I accuse of being Richochet, because you are Richochet.
=============
lol. really?
Only one?
Care to bet?
then after you weasel out of the bet, can you explain how at 12:18, after you reply to me under Mack, that two minutes, time it took for you to open another browser, and sign in, there you are immediately posting to me, as RMR?
mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
SammyTheBull Says:
=============================
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
=======================
TWO MINUTES AFTER YOU REPLY TO ME, AS MACK, YOUR FIRST POST IS THEN TO ME??
You’re pathetic.
and transparent as hell.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
As Al Davis prepares to fire another coach – today, at halftime of the Oakland Raiders’ game Sunday against the Bills, or whenever his lawyers tell him he’s suitably positioned to try to withhold the money he contractually owes – the loyal denizens of Raider Nation are being asked to believe, as always, that this is about an owner’s obsession with victory.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
KK — We’re all supposed to be impressed that MR could shake his dreads at one time. Are you?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
It is, kind of, only the winning that Davis wants so desperately has nothing to do with what happens on the football field. He wants to beat Lane Kiffin, the young man he unearthed 20 months ago as some sort of boy-wonder-savior, in a game of wills. He wants to beat down all his enemies: The city of Oakland, the county of Alameda, the NFL establishment that conspires against him, the officials, the media and the employees who dare do anything but kiss his aging butt.
He wants to win a never-ending game of Feel My Power; in this case, even if he has to sacrifice an entire football season to do it.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Kell, that list also reveals that the more financially solvent markets have done better in the age of free agency. Starting from 20 on down on that list, it’s all teams in struggling economies, except for Arizona. I suspect the Bidwells are their problem. And, of course, this doesn’t absolve Al Davis, either. He’s proven himself to be insane, and that it ruins his team. But that list tells me that even with a good owner, the Raiders might struggle. Hence, they would probably leave Oakland. It bugs me that sports teams from the poorest cities seem to be doing the worst. It’s telling of what sports is really about today.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Shefter’s on right now and when discussing eligable HOF players, he didn’t even mention Tim Brown
February 4th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
The Raiders are awful. The way they do business is laughable. Their corporate culture is cancerous. And all of this can be traced to one man and his never-ending mission to show everyone who’s boss.
This is not a new thing. Twelve years ago, I wrote an article for Sports Illustrated that detailed Davis’ destructive leadership approach, right down to his practice of dropping a towel and making a team employee wipe his shoes.
How would you like to work in such an environment?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Hayez, I was joking about the dreads, referencing an E-40 song. You didn’t have to take it to a bigoted level. It was all good fun till you started mocking Rastas directly. There’s no need for that in here.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
“Twelve years ago, I wrote an article for Sports Illustrated that detailed Davis’ destructive leadership approach, right down to his practice of dropping a towel and making a team employee wipe his shoes.”
That article should be available in SI’s archive.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Apply this model to any business, and imagine what it might do to workplace morale. The players aren’t stupid – if they know that the head coach has been emasculated, that the owner’s pets will enjoy what amounts to unquestioned job security, some of them will have a very different reaction to the coach’s authority (or lack thereof) than they would in a more conventional situation.
That’s why Davis’ bitterness over Moss’ departure is so ludicrous, for the owner completely misses the point: In a dysfunctional situation like the one in Oakland, he would always have been a checked-out underachiever. Only in a stable situation like New England’s, with a culture of professionalism and veteran leaders (and a strong head coach) to enforce it, could Moss maximize his potential.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Wait till Davis dies, that’s when the flood gates are really going to open, and the books will come out. Herrera will probably even write a book and tear him apart. I can only imagine what Fox, Shannahan, Gannon, and people like that will reveal. They’ve just given little hints thus far.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
# mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
I doubt Sammy the bull is richochet.
He never insulted me for a post.
And I see how my name is similar to someone else.
And I have thought about changing it for that particualr reason.
But then I will be called a troll, cross poster. etc.
The dialogue Sammy the Bull has engaged with me is the primary reason why I have chosen no to post as often as I would like.
So Sammy, Have you spoken with Mr Woodson about his experience in Green Bay?
Just curious…
====================
Spoken with Woodson? No. Should I have?
You stated the reason he buckled down was because he really had no choice, that it wasn’t the team atmosphere or expectations, that it was sheer boredom.
I clarified there is plenty of distractions, if he cared to indulge.
He didn’t. Becaues the team sets guidelines.
Raiders don’t. And it continues to bite us in the ass.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
385.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Mack Madden, Green Bay is also known for it’s theater. It’s often called the world’s capitol of theater. Aspiring actors from all of the world go to Green Bay. Brett Favre himself even did a little theater acting in the off season, playing the alien in the stage version of “The Thing”.
______________________________
I loved “That 70’s Show”.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Yeah, Richochet, there’s plenty of distractions in Green Bay. I think J-Lo owns a couple of clubs on Lombardi Ave.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
The fact that Davis allowed a coach he wanted gone to stay on the job through September is absurd enough. Even worse, Davis and his minions are now hell-bent on undermining what’s left of Kiffin’s credibility – again, at the expense of the team’s ability to prepare for those ancillary events that take place on Sundays.
——————————–
Wow, the similarity to the Cable firing is creepy.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Before I go, what’s the bet, RMR?
You stated you’ve only said I was ricochet.
I recall you saying it too others.
You denied it.
I’m calling you a liar.
So what’s the bet?
Don’t have time to find them now, but shouldn’t be hard.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Ummm, KK — The new HC of the Raiders, HueJax himself, said that the Owner is obsessed with victory (paraphrasing from a few statements)…and if you don’t believe what HueJax is saying, then maybe you don’t really support the HC either??
So..you don’t support the Owner, the Organization, the HC…what’s next? You gonna turn your back on your own community by not supporting the team’s players in-person…which would also put money into the hands of all the Coliseum workers, vendors, the local tax system, etc., and therefore pour money back into schools and such?
Oh yeah…you stopped supporting the truly mega-major business and TEAM a long, long time ago…but you still can find blame to hurl as your community suffers from its own mismanagement. You, with all your “community ties,” but the best you can do is blame Al for all its woes. What a community leader. Pathetic.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Sammy, I only accuse you of being Richochet. Never accused anyone else. And there’s a simple reason for this. You are Richochet. And, I know who you are in real life, too. Again, it’s hilarious you’d call someone else a loser and mock them for being on welfare. That’s all I’m going to say.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
I just sat down to check the blog…i read constantly, but rarely comment–however, i must chime in on Robbins at the SB– It was undeniably the biggest reason for what happened in that game..Adam Treu was clueless, Robbins was Rich’s security blanket and i could instantly see the first time Tampa came blowing past center that Gannon had happy feet..i”ll never forget the sinking feeling before the game when i heard the news. I COMPLETELY blame Callahan–stay with me me on this–you don’t dismiss your pro bowl center less than 24 hours before the team’s biggest game in 20 years…you dress him down in front of the team, re-focus the team on the game and tell Robbins you’ll deal with him next week. It wasn’t the dumbest football team in America, it was the dumbest head coach!!
February 4th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Hayez, only David Duke could have put it better.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Now, sources say, Davis once again has cash-flow issues. In a July interview with team play-by-play announcer Greg Papa of Comcast SportsNet Bay Area, Davis said he was scaling back on grandiose birthday-party plans because he didn’t want to flaunt his good fortune in a bad economy. “What a joke that was,” says another owner. “He has no money – he’s trying to sell another 10 percent of his team to raise working capital. That’s what that was about.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Wassup peoples!
February 4th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Yeah, Rich Gannon owes all of his success to Barret Robbins. All Rich had to do was make sure Barret took his meds, and the two of them would gallop right on to the Super Bowl. It’s just too bad Gannon lost him in San Diego.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
The one rich guy I talk to on a regular basis says he knows someone who knows Al, and that Al is in serious financial trouble. He actually told me that a few years ago.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
MR — Everybody knows your game…and some of my favorite people are Rastafarians!
February 4th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
To think how Gannon could have played well in 2001 when Robbins was injured…Must have been a miracle.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Thats fked up that Monta Ellis got snubbed from the All-Star game. Oh well. Who was the last DUB player in the All-Star game???????????
Trivia ??
(And don’t look it up.)
February 4th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
The paranoid, mistrustful, contentious culture that permeates the organization all comes back to Davis, who paradoxically prefers to surround himself with sycophants and habitually avoids confrontation when employees (such as previous coach Art Shell and former personnel man Mike Lombardi) openly feud. It’s a brutal combination, and Davis, 80, is becoming further removed from mainstream managerial functionality with each passing year.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Hayez, Rastafarians, inner city American blacks, you’re on a roll today with the bigotry. What group’s next? Come one, help the Raiders sell tickets by race baiting on blogs. Genius.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Baron Davis?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
No. Nice try.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Yeah…Al’s in such serious trouble, he can sell off a small percentage of his team for $million$, any time he wants. Yeah, Al’s investment in his team has really caused him to suffer financially.
The one rich guy you talk to. Hahaha. Been hanging out down at KK’s barber shop, where he gets all his scoops?
This is a riot.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
KK — STOP TRYING TO LOOK SMARTER THAN YOU ARE…CITE THE WRITERS YOU ARE QUOTING!!!!
Plagiarist.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Mitch Richmon?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Your getting closer, but no.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Hayez, everyone knows you represent the team. Even if you do so as just a fan, you’re here representing the team from a business stand point every day, for whatever reason. You have some vested interest in the Raiders doing well and selling tickets. This requires fan support and convincing new people to buy tickets, raider products, etc. Do you think coming on to blogs and insulting entire demographics of potential customers is a smart move? Just asking.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Richmond….
February 4th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Tim Hardaway?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
no.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Mullen?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Here’s a clue.
Choker!
February 4th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
MR — For all you know, I am one of those people you say I’m offending, when you know I am not, and you just want me to chase your tail with you.
Not gonna happen. You and KK can play reach-around, err, ring-around all you want.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Chris Webber! No way!
February 4th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
KK you don’t write for SI?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Other choker.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
LMAO
February 4th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Oh, not in game choker Webber….you mean Spree!~
February 4th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Hayez, the guy’s actually a husband of a co worker. I really don’t like him, to be honest with you. One of those guys who invites middle class bloaks like me over just to show off his wealth. He inherited the money, too. Believe it or not this guy’s a state worker, and only works because he promised his rich daddy on his death bed that he wouldn’t just live on his trust, and would contribute to society. Even his wife says he’s the laziest jerk at his state job, just milks it. Anyhow, he does know some business people in the bay area who know Al, however, and he said a few years ago that Al’s in serious, serious trouble. The article Kell posted seems to back this. Who knows? Just saying.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
To Seahawks linebacker Winston Moss, who played for the Raiders from 1991 to ‘94, the action on the visitors’ sideline was all too familiar. “There were guys fighting, tirades from coaches to players and coaches to coaches,” Moss says. “You could tell they were tired, just going through the motions.”
According to Skrepenak, “Things got more and more lenient” in Oakland as the year wound down. Five minutes before the start of one late-season home game, he says, a player took a cellular phone call in the locker room as the other Raiders were gathering for a pregame speech.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/2/index.htm#ixzz1D1qsHVCH
February 4th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Ding, ding,ding!!!!!
Spree in 1997
February 4th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Is KK the entire demographic??
Hilarious!!!
Stir away in futility, MR…you are showing just how little your brain can actually process now.
Too many inputs from different directions, I guess. I bet it’s caused you to pull-up your cheesy-poof-stained drawers and type with two hands!
February 4th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
It’s crazy how much time KK spends in here reporting on Mr Davis. How does that affect anything that happens today is beyond me? If he’s broke and in a droup home by morning what good is that to Raider fans everywhere? All they do replace him with someone else who’s going to be rich and running things his way. You have to have ownership. Someday he’s going to die then what? I come in here to read about what’s going on football wise na dthe converstaion day in day out by the same guys is Mr Davis…….lol BOOORRIINGG
It’s becoming the worse place to talk Raider football that I can think of due to a few nutcases.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
But Davis’s abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/2/index.htm#ixzz1D1rRZVxb
——————————————
Any ideas who the shoe wiper was?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Gannon was a great QB for us. But he had a terrible SB game. He threw awful passes directly to the other team. 5 INTS???? C’mon, it didn’t matter who was lined up under center. If he takes sacks instead of INTs the complexion of the game changes. There’s no getting around the fact that he was throwing that ball around as if it was a 7-on-7 drill. He picked the wrong day to have the worst game of his career.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Hayes, like I said, you’re representing the team, for some reason. Even if you’re just a fan, no official affiliation with the team, you’re still representing the team, every day in here. You toe the company line on practically a daily basis. You don’t even throw out the occasional token criticism of team operations. So, you have some vested interest in the Raiders succeeding on and off the field. More so than the average fan, and it shows in the content of your comments compared to everyone elses. Again, you are almost ALWAYS in tune with the Raider company line. So, considering this vested interest in the team, do you think it’s a wise idea to insult entire demographics, like Rastafarians, inner city community activists (i.e., black activists), inner city people (i.e., blacks)? Do you think this behavior is helping or hurting your cause? Or are you hoping to drive people out of here by offending them? You know that’s not going to happen. So why not think of a more positive way to sell us on the Raiders?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Kool Kell, you’re on fire today! But you may as well be talking to the wall around here.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
“He picked the wrong day to have the worst game of his career.”
Lets give credit where credit is due, Gruden designed those plays for Gannon and the raiders offense so he knew where Gannon would look 1st 2nd and 3rd and check down. Knowing the plays before they are called and what the QB will do in each situation is a distinct advantage that you will probably never see again in all of sports.
Gannon is not to blame as much as Callahan is for not running Wheatly 35 times that day.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
This is clearly the most popular site for Raider fans. The comment rate is 100Xs more than any other Raider site I have ever seen.
I love the mix of people in here. From passionate zealots, to angry Al Davis haters. I think you are all great (even those who I have had my differences with)! Every personality brings something to the table.
Jerry supplies some basic information, but I don’t think most of us come here due to his writing….. the open conversation about our favorite team brings us in.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Any ideas who the shoe wiper was?
……..
Herrera.
Who else would do it?
February 4th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Gruden designed those plays for Gannon and the raiders offense so he knew where Gannon would look 1st 2nd and 3rd and check down.
………
All the more reason not to trade Gruden to a potential playoff team we might have to face in the post season.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Who would you guys prefer as a DC Winston Moss or Darren Perry??
February 4th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
If you are going up against your coach of last year and using his plays your pretty stupid to think you can win using those plays.
Hence the Callahan quote “We got to be the dumbest team in America”
February 4th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
So, MR — The “one rich guy” you know graciously invites you over to his house, wines and dines you, treats you like a friend…
…and then you come into a blog, and publicly tell the world how you don’t like the man who treats you so well? And that he likes to rub his wealth in your face, but you go to his house anyway??
That’s exactly why you can come in here and throw out quips, just so you can take the abuse over and over…the slower, and longer, the better. Beyond pathetic.
Go seek help, MR — you show over and over just how much you need it.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
When you back to back winning seasons, and you trade your head coach after the second one, you’re going to face some humiliating repercussion for it. The Super Bowl just happened to be it. Analyze that game all you want to. We lost it the minute Al decided to let Gruden go after the ‘01 season.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
I still firmly believe that if we would have ran Wheatly 35 times that day instead of thrown the ball we would have won the game. We were outcoached plain and simple because we had a better team
February 4th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Well Dakota I remember some very astute Raider fans that used to come here and they don’t anymore because it’s not about football it’s about who likes Mr Davis and who doesn’t. It’s downright boring to me.
But hey! I’m a football fan politics is not my thing..
February 4th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
So, MR — The “one rich guy” you know graciously invites you over to his house, wines and dines you, treats you like a friend…
…and then you come into a blog, and publicly tell the world how you don’t like the man who treats you so well?
………
Sorry, I don’t see it that way.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
MR we had to trade Gruden he forced Al’s hand he was going to leave anyway so at least AD got something for him on his way out the door…
February 4th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
C’mon, MR — You messed up your cheesy-poofed panties when C-Dub caught that first INT in the Super Bowl! You would’ve done anything Al Davis asked of you at that moment.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
SnB666 I have to agree we thought because we didn’t have BRobb we couldn’t run and it was a huge mistake.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
HeaysDaze, you and Priest do a lot of Psychiatric diagnosing of Posters, very little else.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
I still firmly believe that if we would have ran Wheatly 35 times that day instead of thrown the ball we would have won the game.
……….
2002 Bucs run defense was 5th in the league. Try again.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
# Silver-and-black666 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
MR we had to trade Gruden he forced Al’s hand he was going to leave anyway so at least AD got something for him on his way out the door…
………….
Uh, I know where to get the team’s take on that trade. Thanks anyway, though.
February 4th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Remember Steve Smith?
“If you don’t do what he says to do, when he says to do it, you’re on the s—list,” Steve Smith says. Tight end Jamie Williams, who spent 1994, the last of his 12 NFL seasons, with the Raiders, likens Davis to an “evil emperor. There’s no one to challenge him because he’s surrounded by yes-men.”
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/2/index.htm#ixzz1D1vKlRA9
February 4th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
473.Silver-and-black666 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
“He picked the wrong day to have the worst game of his career.”
Lets give credit where credit is due, Gruden designed those plays for Gannon and the raiders offense so he knew where Gannon would look 1st 2nd and 3rd and check down. Knowing the plays before they are called and what the QB will do in each situation is a distinct advantage that you will probably never see again in all of sports.
Gannon is not to blame as much as Callahan is for not running Wheatly 35 times that day.
——————————————
Exactly right. Shoulda chucked the game plan after the first quarter if not sooner.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Only having one week between the conference championships and the SB killed us. With that extra week Callahan could have made some changes, but with only one week it wasn’t enough time.
Had we had that extra week I think we could have overcome the Robbins issues….or maybe Robbins would have had a week to sleep it off before the big game?
February 4th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
C’mon, MR — You messed up your cheesy-poofed panties when C-Dub caught that first INT in the Super Bowl! You would’ve done anything Al Davis asked of you at that moment.
………..
I knew were were doomed when R. Barber picked off the Eagles for the game winning TD. I’m not going to lie, I rooted for the Raiders, I’m only human. And Woodson’s INT would have raised anyone’s hopes. But Gannon’s sack on 3rd down to force a FG reaffirmed my suspicions. Just the way Gannon went down…had Baltimore Ravens written all over it. Of course it would turn out much worsse.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Al was going to pay a humiliating price on the field for that Gruden trade, one way or another. You just don’t test the football gods like that. It just so happened to be on the grandest stage. Trading Gruden to a potential playoff team didn’t help.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
We just didn’t do what we did best in that game and gave Gruden the upper hand. It’s the same thing that happened last year with Bush and DMC whenever we went away form them we struggled. When they dominated the gameplan we played extremely well.
EVery team that wishes to win consistently in this league needs a domiannt running game we have the horses we just need to use them. The same was true in that game. The Bucs had a small front7 and we could’ve pushed them all over the field.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
So, MR — The “one rich guy” you know graciously invites you over to his house, wines and dines you, treats you like a friend…
…and then you come into a blog, and publicly tell the world how you don’t like the man who treats you so well?
………
And MR says:
Sorry, I don’t see it that way.
————————–
Let’s got to the tape, shall we?
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Hayez, the guy’s actually a husband of a co worker. I really don’t like him, to be honest with you. One of those guys who invites middle class bloaks like me over just to show off his wealth.
———————–
Now, MR — In my book, you just admitted you don’t like the guy, but continue to take advantage of his offerings.
That is using him, and nothing you say will change our opinions of you for it. Yes…OUR opinions…because everybody knows you’re a user…and you admitted it before you denied it!
Hypocrite
February 4th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Dakota Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Only having one week between the conference championships and the SB killed us.
………..
Yeah. Because every game we played that year, we had two weeks to prepare for it. The 2002 season had an unusual 2 week gap between all games, then they suddenly only give us one week before the Super Bowl. Tampa Bay, btw, got 2 weeks to prepare. The NFC championship that year was actually a week before the AFC championship.
Keep reaching.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
MR
in 2002 Deuce McAllister has 100 yards rushing agaisnt Tampa so you’re lame 5th in rushing stat is irrelevant to me because Waetly was a better back that year and we had a better OL than the Saints in 2002.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Hosni Murbarak, 82 needs to step down, Al Davis 81, needs to step down.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Dakota # 492 I wholeheartedly agree the one week also helped bring about our demise. We just couldn’t adjust we had to play his game. BUT if we had run the ball it wouldn’t have mattered.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Well, Hayes, even if that’s true, does one have to like someone in order to take advantage of them? Typically, you’d try to take advantage and “use” someone that you don’t like, right?
February 4th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Sammy-
Woodson was allowed to get away with bad habits here because he produced. When his production was in question, they started to try to reel him in.
But it was too late by then, he was set in his ways.
Accustomed to special treatment.
As for Green Bay, i dont doubt there is a night life out there. Just like there is night life in all parts of america as well as the world.
The fact is that he really wasnt feeling what Green Bay night life had to offer. That is a fact.
Guy still parties. Just doesnt do it in Green Bay.
Since he spends the majority of the season in Green Bay, he parties less often during the season.
If you disagree, then that is your opinion.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
And, it’s “bloke.”
You “writer” you.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
OK, you’re right, 666. Tampa, and their 5th ranked run defense, arguably one of the best defenses in history, would have had no answer for…drumroll…Tyrone Wheatley. That’s believable.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Besides running the ball and getting 3 and out would have been better then 5 INTS!
You think?
February 4th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
497.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Dakota Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Only having one week between the conference championships and the SB killed us.
………..
Yeah. Because every game we played that year, we had two weeks to prepare for it. The 2002 season had an unusual 2 week gap between all games, then they suddenly only give us one week before the Super Bowl. Tampa Bay, btw, got 2 weeks to prepare. The NFC championship that year was actually a week before the AFC championship.
Keep reaching.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Were we playing our former head coach every week that year?
February 4th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Why do you wait till now to point that out? “bloke”? LOL. You’re just going over my comments and looking for any little thing you can now, aren’t you? BLOAK.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
I’m looking forward to seeing how the GB offense will attack the Steeler defense because IMO their offense reminds me of ours to some degree. We had a better running game but all ekse reminds meI think they will beat the Steelers based on their ability to spread them out and throw and run.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
I am rooting for Darren Perry, over Winston Moss, not that I would be unhappy with Moss as our DC. I think Perry, having a background as the Raiders’ secondary coach (the wrong way) and the Packers’ secondary coach (the right way), might have the unique perspective to fix our secondary’s woes. I personally believe we are flush with talent back there, but the mis-guided scheme keeps these players from meeting their potential. Whatever they do in Green Bay is proven; Lionel Washington could not bring it here, but maybe Darren Perry (having already worked here before) can.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Yeah, if Davis will let the team Run the ball, like Madden did, we’d be fine.
But he’s way too busy with James Jett & DHB and the Big-Armed QB.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
We used Wheatley to beat them 45 – 0 at our house the yera before I’m sure if we had looked at that film we could’ve used that gameplan to beat Tampa.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Dakota, of course Gruden was a factor. And, I say again, that’s all the more reason for Al to not trade him, or definitely not trade him to a potential playoff team. But then again, who else is going to make such a move for a head coach?
I just don’t know how you got to the one week thing, between the AFC championship and the Super Bowl. Gruden only had one week, too. And, the Raiders’ defense had the same advantage by knowing Gruden’s offense, yet a mediocre QB in Brad Johnson still diced them apart.
There are no excuses, Dakota.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, with Gruden as a playcaller, were just a better team than the Oakland Raiders. Al doomed us by giving our head coach to a potential playoff team, and that is the ultimate reason we lost the super bowl. No analysis comes close to being as relevant.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
Well, Hayes, even if that’s true, does one have to like someone in order to take advantage of them? Typically, you’d try to take advantage and “use” someone that you don’t like, right?
—————————
Keep adding that character reference material, MR!
You’re winning-over the crowd sitting on the fence about you!!
What a disaster you must be in real life.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
priesttj
Acording to MR the Tampa Defense was the greatest ever!
Even if Vince Lombardi came back from the grave with Jim Brown at his prime as his RB he could not game plan for Tampa!
February 4th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
BART
I agree to a certain extent with the Perry references and his ability. But I think Moss will bring a toughness that we need but I’ll take your opinion as my own because I really like both men.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
I never had a problem with Charles Woodson. One of the toughest Raiders ever.
His problem in Oakland was that he spoke his mind in the locker room, and media.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
We used Wheatley to beat them 45 – 0 at our house the yera before I’m sure
………
That was actually 3 years beforehand, in 1999, with a much younger and healthier Wheatley. Wheatley wasn’t even a factor in ‘02. Our running game in ‘02 was mainly out of the spread with Garner. Yeah, let’s just ditch that entire offense and swith to the power I for Gruden. He would never see it coming, especially considering that, really, that’s more of his offense than the passing attack that was mostly designed by Tressman.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
MR
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers wre not a BETTER team than us in 2002 we got out coached plain and simple!
February 4th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
MR,
I agree losing Gruden cost us that SB. Even just letting him leave for ND would have been better.
Instead we got a bunch of draft picks that Al turned into junk and a boatload of cash for Al to spend on cheeseburgers and KFC slaw…..and an azz kicking in the SB by said former HC.
Almost too painful to even think about.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Let’s say this was a blog about Coke, and Coke had over the course of the past decade, lost its market position to Pepsi and 7-Up. Now this is not an inconsquential development. What’s more, Coke is run by a megalomaniacal autocrat who is widely perceived throughout the soft drink industry to be out of touch, washed up, and–some would say–a cancer on the brand image. Lovers of Coke are distraught and long for the days when Coke dominated its competitors. These long time fans love the product, but hate what the evil autocrat has done to it. So they are rightly concerned about the big picture, the general direction of the company, how it’s gone off track and what it’s going to take to put it back on sound footing.
So, priesttj, are you telling me that discussing the organization and its leadership is somehow off point? You think that talking about better marketing, or new and improved ingredients for Coke is more apropos, more relevant that what critics of Davis are trying to point out? Try to understand this: we have all the fact on our side. The facts are borne out by the last ten years (I would argue twenty-five years, but who’s counting). By Davis’ own standards, winning is the ultimate measurement. Nothing else matters. Once Coke loses it’s dominant market share, and does so in spectacularly inglorious fashion, there is no apologizing and no rationalizing that makes that reality go away. And in the real world, where real leaders are held accountable, this wouldn’t even be an open debate. Davis would have been toast a long time ago.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
priesttj
Acording to MR the Tampa Defense was the greatest ever!
……….
LOL. And according to you, Tyrone Wheatley is Gale Sayers.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
666 we crushed them only one year earlier with Dungy as the coach. 45-0 in Oaktown. Wheatley ran over around and through them with Garner getting his share as well. Their front7 was small and quick we were huge and extremely physical we would’ve won hands down………..period
February 4th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
There’s 2 kind of players, those who play for money, and those who play for posterity.
The latter won’t tolerate chronic dysfunction.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Jim Brown and Bo Jackson at RB — with Marcus Allen blocking — wouldn’t have won that Super Bowl.
The Gannon Offense, designed by Gruden and Callahan, was completely transparent…and more than easily taught to the TB Defense by its co-creator.
Callahan’s coaching was as bad as Gannon’s play in the Game…and to say that Gannon didn’t play a terrible game would be an untruth.
The TEAM lost the game…but Callahan, BarretR, and Gannon all deserve a little more heat for their (lack of) performance in the biggest game of their careers.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Real Madden Raider-
Mr Davis traded gruden to Tampa Bay because they offered the most in return.
Plus it was a NFC team.
What are the chances we faced them in the superbowl?
1 in 15?
My opinion, I blame Callahan for not adding enough to “re-mix” the play book, play calls, show more disguises.
He was either too confident or too incompetent to realize that the coach across from him designed all of his curent plays.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
MR you do not need to scrap the entire offense it called adding a new wrinkle coaches do it at half time during a niormal game so stop being so dramatic!
February 4th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
# Silver-and-black666 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
MR
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers wre not a BETTER team than us in 2002 we got out coached plain and simple!
……..
Wrong. Tampa was the better team. Their defense was more of a threat in general than our offense. And, that’s typically been the case throughout NFL history. Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships. With Dungy, Tampa was a one trick pony. Their offense was hideous. With Gruden’s playcalling their offense at least became effective, while still falling short on talent. You’re saying the Raiders got outcoached…a coach is a part of a team! What do you hire him for? He’s the ultimate team leader, well, except in Oakland…
Tampa, as a team, with their head coach, Jon Gruden, WAS a better team than the Oakland Raiders. Period. They could have had a best of 7 series instead of a one game Super Bowl, spanning throughout the month of February, and Tampa would sweep 4 games to zip. They were better, period.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Blame it on the dumbest team in America.
Naw! JK
Blame that schit on the dumbest coach in the SB.
Calahan!
Should of mixed it up. Fk’n dummy.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Blame it on the rain.
Blame it on the a-a-a-alcohol.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Blame it on the boogie.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
666 we crushed them only one year earlier with Dungy as the coach. 45-0 in Oaktown.
……..
Do you not know how to use google? The game you’re referring to took place in 1999. 3 years before the Super Bowl. Do you want me to past our schedules from the 2002, 2001, and 2000 seasons? Because there isn’t ONE game verses Tampa in any of them.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
HD37 you’re kidding right Bo Jackson and Jim Brown would’ve rushed for upwards 300 yards and 5 TD’s. Gannone might have only thrown 10 -15 passes. I think I would rethink that a bit some.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
The TEAM lost the game
…….
Al lost the game, and the entire Raiders’ swagger when he traded Gruden. Oh, btw, he still has not found it.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
mack-madden Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
What are the chances we faced them in the superbowl?
1 in 15?
…………
More like about 1 in 5, considering Tampa was a perennial NFC playoff team.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Chillin on the corner…Having swagger like us
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/fifthdown/davis.JPG
February 4th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Damn im hella bored.
LMAO
C’mon clock…
Keep ticking. Hurry!
February 4th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
priest, realistically? If we take Bo Jackson circa 1990 and put him in Super Bowl 37? He probably breaks a nice 40 yard run early in the game, then on a routine dive play gets a career ending injury. Why should we believe different? Considering that Tampa’s ‘02 defense was about 20 times better than the Cincy defense that ended Bo’s career?
February 4th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
TJ, I’d like to think you’re right…I am Bo’s biggest fan.
Alas, Gruden had our number, period.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
That was yesterday, this is today.
http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Al-Davis-Raiders-2011.jpg
February 4th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Holy crap! You knuckleheads are still in here??
Well, have a nice offseason. Enjoy the weather and see ya in August(if not the draft).
Go Raiders!
February 4th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Tampa’s defense had our offenses number, no matter who’s the coach. If Gruden is still our head coach, that Tampa team still beats us. Their ‘02 D was better than their ‘99 D. 2002 was that defense’s peak. That being said, if Gruden isn’t their head coach, they likely don’t even get to the Super Bowl because Tampa just has the worst offensive coaching staff in that Dungy era. Gruden stays in Oakland, we face the Eagles in the Super Bowl, again, and beat them convincingly, again. Al has his 4th trophy.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
HD37 having someones # is an opinion he beat us in one game the next year we dominated them same team same players when Gannon got hurt. They didn’t have our # the had a great game one Sunday afternoon. It just happened to be the SB is all.
And Bo Jackson by himself would’ve taken Tampa apart………….period
February 4th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
mack-madden Says:
What are the chances we faced them in the superbowl?
1 in 15?
…………
More like about 1 in 5, considering Tampa was a perennial NFC playoff team.
————————–
Actually, the chances of TB making the Super Bowl that year were probably in the 35ish:1 ratio. The odds of the Raiders making it were 25:1 when I made my bets…collected on the AFC game @ 15:1.
Nice payday going to the window…a melancholy way to pick-up me winnings.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
I love that thought, BHP!
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
February 4th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
We’re going to have to teach priest how to use Google, guys.
Priest, We did not beat Tampa “one year later”. That was two years later, in 2004. They weren’t as good. I hope you’re merely overlooking these disparities, and not trying to stretch the truth.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
“Tampa’s defense had our offenses number, no matter who’s the coach. If Gruden is still our head coach, that Tampa team still beats us.”
Highly dubious. Tampa players later said they knew the plays as they were being called. You think that doesn’t matter you’re a fool.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
The end of the Al Davis era could be coming sooner than we think:
I personally believe that some of the most important negotiations occuring right now to create a new CBA is between the owners. One of the most contentious issues is revenue sharing. Specifically, that owners with brand new stadiums (bringing in tons of money) have to share the gate money with teams that have very old stadiums (not bringing in so much money). This is bad for the NFL as a whole, because their is less motivation for owners to pursue better facilities. The NFLPA has proposed that stadium revenue be excluded from the cap calculations (revenue sharing monies). Bottom line, Al would have much less money next season and would potentially be in danger of losing his franchise due to lack of funds. At some point soon, he may be forced to sell part of his 51% stake and lose controlling interest of the team.
This is why, I will continue to root for Jerry Jones and the rest of the capitalist pigs that are tossing grenades at the revenue sharing plan.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Highly dubious. Tampa players later said they knew the plays as they were being called. You think that doesn’t matter you’re a fool.
…………
Raiders’ defense had the same advantage knowing Gruden’s plays. If they didn’t know them, it’s their own fault. Gruden ran about as vanilla of a chucky offense is he could have run in that Super Bowl. run, run, pass. Run, run, pass. Credit Tampa’s defense for doing their homework and actually listening to Gruden when he told them what the Raiders’ offense was going to do. The Raiders’ defense must have had their heads up their asses to allow Gruden to just run his most basic vanilla stuff on them and move the chains methodically. I could only imagine what defensive practice sessions were like when Gruden was there. It’s probably one of the reasons Gruden wanted out. I mean they must have jerked off the entire practice sessions. Players’ effort and dedication factor into how good a team is, too. So, again, this proves even further that Tampa was the better team.
February 4th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
BBB
Agreee. The thing is, if Davis were to sell controlling interest, the Raiders could probably get stadium deal done.
But nobody, imo, is going to invest money as long as Al Davis is making the decisions.
http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Al-Davis-Raiders-2011.jpg
February 4th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
BART and when and if it happens how will that change things for you? Does that mean you know who will be the owner. If you chose the owner of the Raiders who would it be?
I think when fans say things like that I really don’t think you realize what ou’re asking for.We may be the SD chargers or the SF Fortyniners or just like the Detroit Lions who knows. The reason we are the Raiders is because of who the owner is. IMO that sets us apart in a lot of ways. For GOOD or for BAD we’re who we are. I’m not interested in being LIKE someone else I’m interested in winning that is all. Another guy in here is GOING to happen whether we like it or not sooner or later.
IMO that could be a good thing and it could be a very bad thing. Who knows????
February 4th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
BBB, I think for years Al had owned less than 50%. He just took over 50% a few years ago. Anyway, his title, managing general partner, puts him in complete control no matter how small his share is. As long as there is a Raiders’ franchise in the NFL and Al is alive, he is in complete control of that team. So it falls on whether or not get can get investors. He’s having a tough time, but there’s always some super rich BLOAK out there who would just love to say they own part of an NFL team, even if they’re losing.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
I think Al’s targeting young, naive, rich investors by convincing him he might let them move the team to a better market than Oakland, seeing if any of them are naive enough or, or just hard up enough to own a pro sports team, no matter the risk, to bite.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
GOOOOO PACKERS!
See ya later
February 4th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
As long as there is a Raiders’ franchise in the NFL and Al is alive, he is in complete control of that team.
————————————-
I don’t know if that’s true. But it doesn’t prevent Davis from reaching other agreements.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
priest, i can tell you one thing that would change for all Raider fans as soon as Al’s out. The Raiders will finally have a chance to win a Super Bowl again. They have no chance with Al in charge. That’s the difference. Sure, the new owner might suck. But it’s not likely they’d be as demented as Al. They’d at least be willing to hire the right people to build a team. So that’s what’s different, priest, and it’s indisputable.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
What a ridiculous discussion. As though Tampa knowing the signals and only having one weak to put in anything that could surprise Gruden as opposed to two didn’t mean anything. Keep reaching yourself.
RMR, you aren’t a Raider fan, you’re a GRUDEN fan. And that’s why you can never forgive Al Davis, he traded away your football crush.
And if you are a Raider fan, how about being happy about some of the good things that happened this year? Because being a fan DOES mean dwelling more on the good things than the bad, and in that sense you are epically failing.
So how about a post here and there about how great DMC is, biggest home run hitter this team has had since Gannon? But no, then you’d have to give Al Davis a shred of credit for drafting him, which is something you’ll never do.
No, you are a Davis Hater first and a Raider fan second- possibly third after being a provacateur to poor, defenseless Raider fans. The straws that stir the drink in the comment section.
RMR + KK’s hatred of AL Davis > RMR + KK’s Raiders “fandom”
Fact.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
yep,
Al sold a few shares to someone 2-3 years ago, who I can only assume did not get a great return on their investment. And even with the very beneficial revenue sharing plan that has been in place since 2006, Al has clearly been losing money and getting more and more desperate.
If a new CBA completely restructures this revenue share and Al suddenly has $30M or so less coming his way next year, he will have no choice but to either sell off more of the franchise or incur the wrath of Goodell for not meeting the salary floor. How many years of that, do you think the NFL will allow, before Al is given an ultimatum. Nobody has been able to step in with Al yet, because he has continued to play by the NFL rules, but he is getting dangerously close to breaking the financial rules, after years of earning the least and spending the most. tick tock Al, tick tock…
February 4th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Kell, the title managing general partner puts you in complete control, even if you own .000001 percent of the team.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
What’s wrong, Davy? Did my dose of reality, about the Raiders’ defense having just as much of an advantage considering Gruden was their head coach one year earlier, put you in a tailspin? Poor thing.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Kell, the title managing general partner puts you in complete control, even if you own .000001 percent of the team.
——————————————
That General Partner contract can be superseded by future agreements.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
I’m pretty sure for years Al didn’t own most of the team. He just bought some shares, I think from the McGahs, which put him at over 50%. But it’s moot, because managing general partner is in control no matter what. I think Al can actually have 0% of the team and still be in control. And that’s why it’s so hard to get investors. Who in their right mind would invest in a private company that they have zero say in? That’s why I think Al’s targeting young turks in the business world, figuring they might jump at a chance to own a NFL team and go against accounting advice.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
You guys saw that press conference. Would any of you invest a significant amount of your income in a company ran by that guy? And then to think that most rich people who could afford a chunk of the Raiders are surrounded by accountants who’d drop to the floor and grab hold of their leg to stop them from investing in the Raiders…
February 4th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Real Madden Raider-
i can tell you one thing that would change for all Raider fans as soon as Al’s out. The Raiders will finally have a chance to win a Super Bowl again. They have no chance with Al in charge.
$$$$$$$$$$
I completely disagree with this opinion.
We were one win away from being superbowl champions that year. Al was still in charge then. He is still in charge now. And I hope he is here for as long as possible.
One thing I will say tho is that I do find it difficult for him at his advanced age to perform certain general manager duties.
I have faith in his scouting and abiltiy to pick and choose players. That will never change. He has been selecting gems on a consistent basis.
Although that DHB pick did make me scratch my head…
February 4th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Was reading an old Patrick Bates interview (that guy hated the Raiders, and was a very intelligent kid) and came across some link having him as a top 50 bust.
Also on the list, was an OT named John Clay, which was right before my time.
Holy crap!!! The guy was 330 lbs in 1987 and only played 10 games one year and we canned him.
The #15 pick didn’t even give us 15 games, lol.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
BART that’s an opinion and that is all it is. Every team has the same chance to win. If you think we have no chance I’ll just say you are very naive and controlled. IMO not calling you sptuid just syaing that is a stupid statement to make. I know I won’t change your mind and you won’t change mine that’s not my point. My point is to say that you have to ignore a whole lot of stuff. You IMO have to be smarter than that.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Al is managing partner until the majority of Raiders Inc. owners say he isn’t. Currently he has protected himself from losing that title by stipulating it in all contracts. But as you said yourself, will anybody invest in the Raiders with that stipulation in the contract? Never. So when a new CBA comes down and Al doesnt get his big chunk of NFL cheese he will desperately need an infusion of cash, without it he is going to be unable to pay the bills, which would put him in violation of the new CBA and NFL by-laws. The vice is getting tighter and tighter on Mr. Davis.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
I remember John Clay, bad knees I think.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Sources who were part of the team say that in the late 1980s and early ’90s Davis ordered Raiders coaches to limit Allen’s playing time, often in favor of far less effective runners. Steve Smith and others say that Davis sometimes ordered that quarterbacks not throw the ball to Allen. “The other players had heard so much about this ‘family’ thing, but then we saw what happened to Marcus,” says Ronnie Lott, who played safety for the Raiders in 1991 and ‘92. “All of a sudden, the guy who was Mr. Raider wasn’t part of the family. We wondered, How can you not play your best player?”
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/2/index.htm#ixzz1D2Glzsma
February 4th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
mack madden,
“that year” you speak of was 2002, nearly a decade ago, and Al was showing signs of dementia then (seen a lot of head coaches get traded in NFL history?). Yes, the Raiders almost won a Super Bowl…a decade ago. Al is 10 years older now, 50 times more demented, and the Raiders don’t have a chance as long as he’s in charge. Look at what just happened. CAble takes them to 8-8, finally not “losers anymore” (as Cable correctly stated), and Al fires him. Every time it looks like Al’s pulling it together, he proves he’s demented once again. The Raiders don’t have a chance of winning a SB with Al in charge. With Al gone, they at least have a chance again. THAT is what would be different with Al gone.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
No, you are a Davis Hater first and a Raider fan second- possibly third after being a provacateur to poor, defenseless Raider fans. The straws that stir the drink in the comment section.
RMR + KK’s hatred of AL Davis > RMR + KK’s Raiders “fandom”
—————————————-
That’s hilarious. Is there a mathematician in the house? Can somebody decipher this?
February 4th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
# BART Bridge Blues Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Al is managing partner until the majority of Raiders Inc. owners say he isn’t. Currently he has protected himself from losing that title by stipulating it in all contracts. But as you said yourself, will anybody invest in the Raiders with that stipulation in the contract? Never. So when a new CBA comes down and Al doesnt get his big chunk of NFL cheese he will desperately need an infusion of cash, without it he is going to be unable to pay the bills, which would put him in violation of the new CBA and NFL by-laws. The vice is getting tighter and tighter on Mr. Davis.
……
Thank you for that info. All I understood about the managing general partner title is that it puts a person firmly in charge. Thanks for breaking it down.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
The draft is hit and miss there is not perfect formula for drafting, even the Colts almost took Leaf over Manning if you remember.
Yes AD has done a good job of drafting talent, but that alone is not enough to run an NFL team.
Mack-Madden is right when he said
“One thing I will say tho is that I do find it difficult for him at his advanced age to perform certain general manager duties.”
All the good franchises have a lot of help in upper management, not just one guy. Let alone and 81 year old.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Kell, a lot of former players, coaches, employees of the Raiders, what have you, are just afraid of litigation so they’re keeping a tight lip on Al. Wait till he does. The floodgates will open. Gannon’s already close to just airing it all out. I imagine someday soon a former player might, or a former coach, especially if Al’s going to keep airing out laundry on former employee, like he just did with Cable.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
“wait till he dies”, not “does”
February 4th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
“wait till he dies”, not “does”
$$$$$$$$$$
LOL. Thats wrong man
Cold…Blooded…
February 4th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
This why so many don’t come in here because this is the total discussion everyday is Mr Davis. The same guys post 2-300 times a day with the same dribble. From Gruden to Mr Davis everyday. The same subject matter………it gets very OLD.
Jerry I know you have to see this stuff and get tired of it yourself eventhough it is YOUR favorite subject. It’s not fun anymore dude it’s very very boring.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
As is his way, Dan Rooney, takes none of the credit. Sitting behind a football-shaped desk overlooking the practice field here last week, he steered the conversation away from himself.
“It started with my father,” he said. “He gave me the values. He treated players, coaches, general staff as people. He was concerned about them.”
That culture now permeates the entire organization — a sort of ego-free zone in which players and coaches can occasionally seem as if they’re competing for a Nobel prize in humility. “We don’t care who gets the credit, and all we want to do is win,” Coach Mike Tomlin said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/sports/football/27rooney.html?pagewanted=2&ref=danrooney
February 4th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
February 4 2011 Last updated at 01:30 PM ET
Albert Haynesworth Charged With Assault in Road Rage Incident.By FanHouse Newswire
FAIRFAX, Va. (AP) — Redskins defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth has been charged with assault in what police said was a case of road rage.
Fairfax County police spokeswoman Shelley Broderick said a 38-year-old man told investigators he was driving a Honda Civic in suburban Washington when he saw a pickup truck tailgating him. The man said the driver then made a hand gesture.
Haynesworth, who was driving the truck, got out when the vehicles stopped and assaulted the other driver, Broderick said.
Police have been in touch with Haynesworth’s attorney, and arrangements have been made for him to meet with officers and appear in Fairfax County General District Court at a later date, she said.
Redskins spokesman Tony Wyllie said in an e-mail that team officials are gathering information about the incident and would not comment further.
Haynesworth, a two-time All-Pro defensive lineman, has had his share of trouble while with the Redskins. He repeatedly clashed with coach Mike Shanahan and was suspended without pay for the final four games of the season for “conduct detrimental to the club.” He has played only 20 games for the team since he was signed in 2009 to a seven-year, $100 million contract with $41 million in guaranteed money.
Haynesworth isn’t the only Redskins player to be in trouble with the law recently. In December, defensive lineman Joe Joseph was arrested on charges of driving under the influence less than 24 hours after making his NFL debut.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
mack madden,
“that year” you speak of was 2002, nearly a decade ago, and Al was showing signs of dementia then
$$$$$$$$$$
Ten to fifteen years ago people were calling him “Crazy Al”.
His team still made it to the big game.
How crazy is that.
I did not like that “we not losers anymore” statement by coach cable. I liked cable. Thought players really played hard for him. But that comment was detrimental to the raiders organization.
Cable should have known better than to make that staement publicly. Is ok to think it, but if you worked with mr davis how many years, and thought that comment would be ok, then you are completely oblivious to how mr davis values/views his team.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Silver-and-black666 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
The draft is hit and miss there is not perfect formula for drafting, even the Colts almost took Leaf over Manning if you remember.
Yes AD has done a good job of drafting talent, but that alone is not enough to run an NFL team.
Mack-Madden is right when he said
“One thing I will say tho is that I do find it difficult for him at his advanced age to perform certain general manager duties.”
All the good franchises have a lot of help in upper management, not just one guy. Let alone and 81 year old.
$$$$$$$$$$
Preach……….
February 4th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Man just going back and reading about the biggest draft busts, and the total creeps some of these guys were is mind blowing.
Lawrence Phillips and his frequency to beat women. Patrick Bates pistol-whipping his baby-mama and kidnapping a 3 week old, Reggie Rogers killing 3 teenagers (and being allowed back into the league after his prison sentence), the Christian Peters sexual predator issues, Ryan Tucker beating a man into paralysis and brain damage and having Vermiel draft him and joke that the kid “knows how to finish a fight, which is a good thing”.
Jesus what the hell is wrong with this league sometimes?
February 4th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Amerika is all about money, period.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
DALLAS — Seven people were injured, one critically, by falling ice at Cowboys Stadium on Friday. The NFL confirmed the report by The Dallas Morning News that the ice had fallen from the roof of the site of Sunday’s Super Bowl XLV between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Green Bay Packers.
Five of the seven were reportedly taken to area hospitals as the Metroplex continued to be hit by a second winter storm. Snow, which ranged from 1.8 inches at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport but reached five inches in nearby Richardson, was forecast to end later Friday afternoon. The airport set snow records on both Thursday and Friday, but all runways were open on Friday morning.
Dallas area roads remained icy with many cars stranded. The North Texas Tollway Authority was forced to close the southbound lanes of the Dallas North Tollway for almost an hour toward the tail end of the morning rush hour because of snow accumulation and the lack of snowplows
February 4th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Confucius say: Amerika all about money, morality don’t come into it.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Amerika is all about money, period.
***********************************
Those guys didn’t make anybody any money, and some of those guys made their colleges swallow 6 figure lawsuits.
Yet, the NFL felt the need to give them an extra chance (or 3) and they just continued to royally screw up.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
if you go to the gop convention its all about greed and money ,if your independent or democrat its about love, hope caring helping others etc.
February 4th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Just Fire Baby-
It is not right, but everyone knows if you can play, you will always have a spot on a team.
That applies to any/all sports.
Higher Ups will always try to cover/clean up any issues with a player if they feel that player will help them WIN.
We might not agree, but we all know that is the way is.
Winnning is the Bottom Line…
Cause Stone Cold Says So…
(I say in my wrestling voice)
February 4th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Rooney has consistently looked not just for skilled ballplayers but for athletes who would hold themselves accountable to each other and the community. “Those are the kind of people he assembles here, and it makes it a fun place to work,” Tomlin said.
The result has been stability and continuity. Now in his second season, Tomlin is the Steelers’ third head coach in 40 years — testimony to the Rooneys’ loyalty, patience and understanding of what it takes to build a winning team
February 4th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Rooney has consistently looked not just for skilled ballplayers but for athletes who would hold themselves accountable to each other and the community. “Those are the kind of people he assembles here, and it makes it a fun place to work,” Tomlin said.
The result has been stability and continuity. Now in his second season, Tomlin is the Steelers’ third head coach in 40 years — testimony to the Rooneys’ loyalty, patience and understanding of what it takes to build a winning team
…………………or he is a arse kisser
February 4th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
I totally get it that winning is the bottom line.
Just like in other walks of life. I worked at a brokerage firm in Las Vegas, some of the top producers would show up still on E from the night before, go in bang out a few grand in commissions, unappropriately flirt with our receptionist and tell the boss they may see him tomorrow and leave at 10am.
But there has to be SOME type of line in the sand, is all I’m saying. Every knew Lawrence Phillips was a disaster waiting to happen, and what he fell to the 4th pick in the draft?
But Warren Sapp and Randy Moss smoke dope so they slide well down the draft.
The lesson apparently, beat women to near death and no big deal, but don’t you dare smoke a joint!!!
February 4th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
If you put an ‘S’ in front of Hitman, you have my exact opinion of Bret Hart{Stone Cold]
February 4th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Perfect example:
Ricky Williams smokes weed = SUSPENDED for the year
Shawn Merriman uses steroids = Slap on the wrist, still eligible for playoofs games and qualifies as pro bowler.
But we all know there is no line in the sand.
However recently it seems mr davis has steered away from the knuckleheads.
no Owens. CHris Henry, Pacman Jones. Tank Johnson, etc.
But maybe thats just me reading into it too much.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
hey confucius-
In your humble opinion…
Did Vince screw Bret?
or
Did Bret screw Bret?
February 4th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
mack-madden
bret screwed bret!!!!
February 4th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
I am on the side that says Bret gave Vince no choice but to screw him. Vince could not have let Bret leave with the belt. If he had then Bret would have done like Madusa did. Show up on WCW and throw the belt away. He could not let that happen.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Just Fire Baby ,
it is all about winning.sorry but it`s true.america will celebrate big ben after he wins a superbowl.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Medusa threw that belt in the TRASH if im correct.
I use to go back and forth on my opinion bout that.
Now I definitely feel BRET SCREWED BRET.
It broke my heart at the time Vince/HBK pulled that stunt. Now that I think bout it, it was funny as hell.
That ref gave Bret no chance at all. Rung the bell before hbk had the sharpshooter locked.
Vince got his tho. Bret gave him a “one-hitter-quitter” in the locker room.
Hella funny seeing vince stumble out the room all wobbly. walkng on rubber legs.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy has confirmed to the Dallas Morning News that injuries have occurred.
“The ice and snow melting off of the Cowboys Stadium roof has caused several sliding snow falls onto the plazas,” McCarthy said via e-mail.
Darren Rovell of CNBC reports that helicopters are being used to catch some of the falling ice.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Sportsmanship…what a load of crap, don’t preach your morality to me. Steve Austin doesn’t have any mercy… you want mercy? Take your a$$ to church!”
February 4th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
The difference is Big Ben has never even been CHARGED with anything.
All those guys I listed, came into the league with multiple guilty pleas for domestic abuse, guns and sometimes actual jail time for killing people and beating them into coma’s.
I side with Ben, just a bunch of hater azz women trying to take his money after he took their dignity.
A lot different than pistol-whipping them and kidnapping their 3 week infant (like Patrick Bates was convicted of).
February 4th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
just a bunch of hater azz women trying to take his money after he took their dignity.
$$$$$$$$$$
nice one.
I dont side with Ben nor the women, but from the reports, it sure looks like Big Ben was dirty on this last one
February 4th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
This why so many don’t come in here because this is the total discussion everyday is Mr Davis. The same guys post 2-300 times a day with the same dribble. From Gruden to Mr Davis everyday. The same subject matter………it gets very OLD.
Jerry I know you have to see this stuff and get tired of it yourself eventhough it is YOUR favorite subject. It’s not fun anymore dude it’s very very boring.
………….
Start your own blog, priest. That’s all I can say.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
GRUDEN was a high school coach in the nfl!
February 4th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
This why so many don’t come in here because this is the total discussion everyday is Mr Davis. The same guys post 2-300 times a day with the same dribble. From Gruden to Mr Davis everyday. The same subject matter………it gets very OLD.
Jerry I know you have to see this stuff and get tired of it yourself eventhough it is YOUR favorite subject. It’s not fun anymore dude it’s very very boring.
………….
Start your own blog, priest. That’s all I can say.
………………that story would bring a tear too a glass eye.[Stone Cold]
February 4th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Vegas, how did Roethlisberger take any woman’s dignity?
February 4th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
I side with Ben, just a bunch of hater azz women trying to take his money after he took their dignity.
—————————–
Interesting.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
It just doesn’t make any sense that these guys who disagree with Jerry would come to his blog, and constantly complain about people who share Jerry’s views leaving comments. Jerry is critical of Al Davis. Common knowledge. Yet one person pops up in the comments section who’s critical of Al Davis, and these guys act like their home is being invaded. This is a private blog owned by news agency. Are they retarded?
February 4th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
preist, Google blogger costs nothing. You can start your own blog right now if you don’t like this one.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Roethlisberger yesterday admitted taking teammates out to dinner and then to watch live music but denied being out past curfew, saying the players were back at the team hotel “way before curfew.”
A manager at Pete’s Dueling Piano Bar in Forth Worth told the Tribune-Review that Roethlisberger and four offensive linemen showed up about 10 p.m. Tuesday and left shortly before midnight.
“They participated along with the crowd,” said the manager, who wished to remain nameless. “Ben was very gracious. He bought the house one round of drinks, took pictures. … It was a really cool night he even took one young lady into the mens room too give her a autgraph.
February 4th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Ben just took advantage of a girl that was blasted, and sweet-talked her into some dome in the bathroom.
Not like she was passed out in a dorm room or something.
Nothing like these guys that beat women like it is no big deal.
How are you 230 pounds of solid muscle and you closed fist punch some chick in the face? Or pistol-whip her?
I just don’t see how anything could be worth doing something like that, but hey that is just me.
February 4th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
NEW YORK CITY – When the Pittsburgh Steelers were about to make their first pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, they were greeted by fans chanting “She said no!” in regards to their star quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger and his alleged sexual assault charges. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell then took the stage to introduce Zachary, a kid from the Make-A-Wish, who would make the pick. Afterwards, Zachary was confused as to why the Steelers fans would tell him not to rape anyone. “I’ve never raped anyone,” said Zach Attack. “Steelers fans are so weird. Most of their women looks like men. There’s no way anyone would want to rape any of them. Still, that was fairly mean that they chanted that at me. I can assure you, my one wish was not to be called a rapist by Steelers fans. Thanks, PIttsburgh.”
February 4th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Why would there be a loss of dignity then? It sounds like sweet talking drunk women into some dome is a normal thing. Why should a woman feel she lost any dignity, if it happens to so many other women obviously?
February 4th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Why would there be a loss of dignity then? It sounds like sweet talking drunk women into some dome is a normal thing. Why should a woman feel she lost any dignity, if it happens to so many other women obviously?
…………………what if it was someone you knew like your husband or boyfriend?
February 4th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WRCB) — Before the University of Tennessee football program even had a chance to savor its heralded 2011 signing class, a dark cloud began gathering Wednesday night in Knoxville.
According to an Internet report from AOL’s Fanhouse.com, the NCAA will cite the Vols’ football program for failure to monitor a now well-publicized recruiting violation involving a UT hostess program during the brief tenure of Lane Kiffin.
Citing sources close to the investigation both inside and outside the university, Fanhouse.com is reporting the same citation will be handed down to Kiffin, now at Southern Cal, and former assistant coach David Reaves, who is now at New Mexico. Reaves is Kiffin’s brother-in-law, and served as his quarterbacks coach at UT.
February 4th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
post #576 i agree. you dont have to be alex trebeck to get my repect.go to the firet 200 post in this article read them and determine an over all subject……..then read the last 200 post and compare the overall subject of those as well.
February 4th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
this sh@# gives me a fri#@ing head ache sometimes but i keep coming back and reading ,that makes me sound fu#$@%#@stupid huh
February 4th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Anybody got other sites to go to for real Raider football discussion? I’m done with this one?!
February 4th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
# confucius400 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WRCB) — Before the University of Tennessee football program even had a chance to savor its heralded 2011 signing class, a dark cloud began gathering Wednesday night in Knoxville.
According to an Internet report from AOL’s Fanhouse.com, the NCAA will cite the Vols’ football program for failure to monitor a now well-publicized recruiting violation involving a UT hostess program during the brief tenure of Lane Kiffin.
Citing sources close to the investigation both inside and outside the university, Fanhouse.com is reporting the same citation will be handed down to Kiffin, now at Southern Cal, and former assistant coach David Reaves, who is now at New Mexico. Reaves is Kiffin’s brother-in-law, and served as his quarterbacks coach at UT.
…….
No wonder Kiffin had a great 2011 recruiting class despite USC being on probation.
This dude is sleazeball.
Notice how all the press died when Kiffin lost his dispute with Al Davis.
February 4th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Just post it whenever you can I’ll come back later and get the site……..I get tired of reading the same guys posting the same garbage everyday.
February 4th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
priest, aka aquaman, google blogger. you can start one right now for free. It’s not difficult. I don’t understand why you feel the need to tell Jerry how he should run his blog. Would you go to someone’s house and tell them where they should put the furniture?
February 4th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
We aint telling him nothing just want to talk Raider football and this aint the place with you in it.
Adios!!!
February 4th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Kiffin was just luring players to Tennessee by having women give them some dome. What’s wrong with that?
February 4th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Nothing is wrong with that
February 4th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
I could see if Kiffin and these players were punching women with closed fists. But they were just taking advantage of women for some dome. So what?
February 4th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
overall topic seems to be mostly negative. i think its poisonous personalities .there are a bunch of fan club sites when you google raiders i think it is time for a change .if i find a worthy site ill let you know.long live the raiders and all who support them
February 4th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
if al davis decides to retire we will have to use a franchise tag on him!
February 4th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Only franchise tag Al will ever get again is on his toe.
February 4th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Hey I was talking about Patrick Bates, he was a Raider.
Draft busts like John Clay, etc.
Didn’t get as much response as Brett the Hitman Hart and memorable NFL creeps.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Not sure what there is to talk about with the Raiders which hasn’t been beaten to a dead horse of late.
Draft talk will start jumping up soon enough.
Priest, you can always liven things up with some of your Al Davis pillow-talk.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
JFB I’m fresh out of it why don’t you give it a try, hey I’m not saying that everyone sees things my way stay as long as you like don’t follow me I’m just done with it.
It’s personal, quite frankly some of you deserve this……lol
February 4th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war,is there any shakespeare in football?
February 4th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Feel free to take KK with you.
________
# priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
JFB I’m fresh out of it why don’t you give it a try, hey I’m not saying that everyone sees things my way stay as long as you like don’t follow me I’m just done with it.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
i am using a frachise tag on priesttj too keep hin here!
February 4th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
I haven’t been to either one and wouldn’t admit it if I did. I doubt you have either, your just a dimwitted libtard blowing smoke out your piehole, your probably Jerry.
I see the Dem conv more like stealing from others in the form of wealth distribution and social justice than “caring” for others. And hope pretty much went out the window 6 months after purp lips took office & ran the economy further into the ground.
______
# confucius400 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
if you go to the gop convention its all about greed and money ,if your independent or democrat its about love, hope caring helping others etc.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
i went too a gop convention once shook boehners hand but when i got my hand back it only had three fingers!
February 4th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
You only need 2. One to pick your nose & the other to dig in your a$$.
_____
# confucius400 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
i went too a gop convention once shook boehners hand but when i got my hand back it only had three fingers!
February 4th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Mistabr0wn since xmas was 6 weeks ago maybe you should take down your xmas lights off your trailer its kind of a eye sore!
February 4th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Teabagging is an erotic activity used within the context of BDSM and male dominance, with a dominant man teabagging his submissive partner, either a woman or a man, as one variation of facesitting.
February 4th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Priest,
LOL….I’m not going to follow you.
February 4th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
why did I just read a definition of teabagging on a Raiders board?
February 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
The CBA is not looking good at all….
kind of like RMR negotiating a nuclear treaty with Russia. It aint gonna happen.
February 4th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
617.priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Anybody got other sites to go to for real Raider football discussion? I’m done with this one?!
#################
priesttj, I’m sure you know this…the early morning posters are all usually professional and are good reads. 5:00am to about 10:00am IMO
February 4th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
What’s wrong, Davy? Did my dose of reality, about the Raiders’ defense having just as much of an advantage considering Gruden was their head coach one year earlier, put you in a tailspin? Poor thing.
======================================
Snappy retort there, sport. With a dry wit like that and such stunning football acumen, it’s a wonder you don’t work for ESPN.
Actually your omission of facts that don’t support your view point (like quotes from Buc players saying they knew what play was coming from the signals) and your willingness to present a completely biased view point are what really qualify you for BSPN. But the acumen and the wit too, fo reals.
But of course, we wouldn’t want to lose you. After all, what would the comments section be with out our resident yellow journalist?
February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
I’ve seen the morning crew I just rarely have time to plug in. I’m just not down with these same characters who come in here with all their propaganda everyday. This is just sports it’s supposed to be fun to come in here and celebrate the team as well as critigue it. I gte tired of the haters permeating the site masquarading as Raider fans bringing the place down.
The owner is the owner that is not going to change love him or hate him he is who he is. We all know that, but if you can’t come in here and discuss the game on the field what is your objective?
It gets sickening……I’l eventually find another avenue if anyone has suggestions please let me know.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Its lonely in here, kind of like the colesium right now. I just been a wonderin how pittsburgh does it year after year. what do they got i don’t got?
I will bring the Raidahs back to my glory days, even if i have to fire my new man, and get another new man, but i do wanna keep hue, yes i do.
‘john, pull into macd’s and get me a big’un, and don’t screw it up’
‘yess ssir’
‘hererra, why didn’t you tell me we had a secret gm? you been posing as the gm, you gm wanna be’
‘what’s that boss sir?’
‘nevermind, you couldn’t read my television report on that qb from washington that i like, and where’s my big mac, you forget it at the window’
‘here you go sir, don’t spill it like yo..’
’shut up and listen, why didn’t you tell me we were on television when i fired cable, quit playin with my head’
‘yes sir’
‘now sing to me so i can go to sleep’
February 4th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT!! HYPOCRITE ALERT!!
priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
I’ve seen the morning crew I just rarely have time to plug in. I’m just not down with these same characters who come in here with all their propaganda everyday. This is just sports it’s supposed to be fun to come in here and celebrate the team as well as critigue it. I gte tired of the haters permeating the site masquarading as Raider fans bringing the place down.
The owner is the owner that is not going to change love him or hate him he is who he is. We all know that, but if you can’t come in here and discuss the game on the field what is your objective?
=================
Considerng you can’t shut up about Al, that everytime anyone mentions that their upset with how he’s doing things, where you rush to defend his ancient ways, usually with insults thrown in, who the hell are you to run the above BS?
Take your own advice, and shut the hell up if you don’t like it.
What you’re really saying is you can’t defend his stupid decisions, because you become an easy target, so you just wish everyone would cease and desist re: Al, and JUST talk about the game on the field.
Except YOU DON’T.
So STFU, OldMan.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
“Commitment to Excellence”
I’m Big Al and I approve this message.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
“Just Win Baby”
I’m big Al and I approve this message.
(cept winning has passed me by, til this year we weren’t losers anymore, so I canned the meathead who said that, because he called me a loser. Well you know it really took the joy out of not being a loser anymore when my ex said that, so I had to fire him, now he wants to work in seattle, and maybe the seahawks won’t be losers anymore, cause they made the play-offs with a losing record and i didn’t, so my ex has a new job, but i got a new man now).
February 4th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Whenever tags are available, it’s looking like the Raiders have every intention of using it again on defensive tackle Richard Seymour.
——————————————————————————————————————————–
What if Seymour doen’t want the tag? Then what?
February 4th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
635.confucius400 Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
i went too a gop convention once shook boehners hand but when i got my hand back it only had three fingers!
—————————————————–
Ouch! Go back and tell him you want your fingers back, unless he already ate them, then it’s to late.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Everybody can hate Al all they want but he’s not going anywhere.
I’m optimistic he made the right move with Hue, that he’ll have a good draft, get the free agents we need to be a top contender, and have a great season.
I hope Goodell hands him the Lombardi trophy in the next couple years. I hope all this because it means the Raiders are winning.
We are “stuck” with him. If you root against Al you root against the Raiders. On the flip side, if u hate him, think he’s an old, senile fool, whatever, it doesn’t mean u hate the team.
I hope he succeeds. That’s my selfish hope. Whether anybody thinks he can make them succeed is another subject.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
The owner is the owner that is not going to change love him or hate him he is who he is. We all know that, but if you can’t come in here and discuss the game on the field what is your objective?
======================
Valid point. No matter how successful you are in prosletyzing hate for Al Davis, what do you achieve? Certainly not a change in ownership or the policy of the owner. If getting a few impressionable Raider fans to “see the light” gives you a sense of charitable accomplishment, surely there’s some other more long suffering fan base that desperately needs your “help”? Detroit, Buffalo, Cincy?
If you REALLY want to put us in a tail spin, how about, you know, actually rooting for some Raider stuff, you know, like a fan would?
Maybe say something nice about Jacoby Ford’s play this year? Oops, couldn’t do that, that would involve acknowledging that the old man’s 40 time fetish actually works out sometimes AND giving him credit for making a hell of a pick in the 4th round. Can’t be doing that can we?
February 4th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
I’ve come to the realization that most here just have no faith in Al Davis at all. I think alot of the guys who hate him so much do so becuz they feel he is to blame for their favorite team being in the crapper for so long before this past season.
I do think there is a fair amount of guys here who DO actually hate the team and will continue to do so long after Al is gone.
February 4th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Everybody can hate Al all they want but he’s not going anywhere.
————
According to TJPriest because Al’s not going anywhere, we should all sit ina circle, and sing kumbaya, while chanting Al’s name.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
As if sitting in circle and burning Al in effigy is any smarter.
And that’s why Jerry McDonald is the best Raider writer out there: he doesn’t do either, worship or villify. When Al gets it wrong, he says so. When Al gets it right, he says so. That’s why he has a blog, and you don’t.
February 4th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Is the South South Side in the house tonight?
February 5th, 2011 at 1:48 am
priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
The owner is the owner that is not going to change love him or hate him he is who he is
………..
That’s not true. Ever heard of a boycott? Priest, if the fans really wanted to, they could throw Al out on his geriatric ass. Yeah, for the time being, Al has enough support to keep him on safe ground. There happens to be 20,000 or so bright consumers that will separate thousands of dollars from their bank accounts every year to see NFL football (well, sometimes…) in Oakland. More power to them. But make no mistake, if about 1/4 of those Raider faithful give up and finally decide to turn on Al, he’s in serious trouble. Bart Bridge Blues broke it down earlier today, how Al can be stripped of his title of managing general partner. I suggest you scroll up and read it. Al’s control of Oakland is not absolute. Whether he or the fans believe it or not, he is at the mercy of the fans.
February 5th, 2011 at 4:04 am
All this talk of the local underground hip hop artists and no mention of Andre Nickatina, Smoov-E, San Quinn, Equipto?
February 5th, 2011 at 5:50 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 1:48 am
priesttj Says:
February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
………..
That’s not true. Ever heard of a boycott? Priest, if the fans really wanted to, they could throw Al out on his geriatric ass. Yeah, for the time being, Al has enough support to keep him on safe ground. There happens to be 20,000 or so bright consumers that will separate thousands of dollars from their bank accounts every year to see NFL football (well, sometimes…) in Oakland. More power to them. But make no mistake, if about 1/4 of those Raider faithful give up and finally decide to turn on Al, he’s in serious trouble. Bart Bridge Blues broke it down earlier today, how Al can be stripped of his title of managing general partner. I suggest you scroll up and read it. Al’s control of Oakland is not absolute. Whether he or the fans believe it or not, he is at the mercy of the fans.
==============================
Don’t hold your breath. For someone talking about giving me a dose of reality? Quite the fantasy you’ve got there, Don Quixote.
February 5th, 2011 at 7:04 am
Good mornin NATION!
February 5th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Will Tim Brown have Al Davis intro him into the HOF?
February 5th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Just watched the America’s Game on the 2008 Steelers.
Common theme throughout the season was how crappy the O-line was. Tomlin called it the teams Achillies Heel and was hoping they would “exercise their demons” in the Super Bowl.
Funny part was when Ben said he went into the huddle on the last drive and told his O-line that all the critics of the O-line would be right if they didn’t score on this drive, and “don’t let them be right”.
First play……holding penalty, lol.
As these two Super Bowl teams tomorrow proved once again, in today’s NFL you need a good Defense and a great QB, that’s it. You can win a Super Bowl with your O-line being your “achillies heel”.
February 5th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Ok, JFB we got a pretty good D that is gettin better. Now we must find a REAL QB!
February 5th, 2011 at 8:18 am
I mean every position is important of course, not saying to completely dismiss the O-line. Steelers obviously tried to address this issue by drafting Pouncey.
Interesting note is that the Steelers O-line will have 4 different starters on this years team from the team two years ago.
February 5th, 2011 at 8:28 am
I wonder if the Ravens owner is going to dock 20K from Harbaugh’s weekly check next year?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/05/ravens-players-threatened-to-go-to-union-about-long-playoff-practices/
February 5th, 2011 at 8:35 am
I hope they don’t franchise Seymour. Give the guys a nice 4-5yr contract. He deserves it.
Players complaining about long playoff practices? HAHAHAHA ….man what is the world coming to? ha Unions
February 5th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Terrapin,
Do you think Seymour will agree to a 4-5 year contract? I think he would, but it would have to have some player outs and options years, IMO.
February 5th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Nah. I think he really wants to be here. You don’t envoke religion when you don’t mean what you saying. Him saying he was “meant” and placed here by a higher being says to me he really wants to and believes in the Raiders. Sounds crazy given all the spin we hear about the Raiders, but he does.
February 5th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Good Morning Nation!
February 5th, 2011 at 9:21 am
good morning nation,
it is a great day to be a raiders fan!!no?
rich seymour was born a raider ,,,i think..
February 5th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Don’t fret about the cost of getting Richard Seymour back, the Raiders won’t have to sign a 1st round pick to a contract so there’s a nice chunk of money to be used on Seymour.
February 5th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Seymour should get a 4 yr deal. Nnamdi will re-ink for less (the overall contract may be high, but he won’t really get paid that much). My best guess is about $10-12mm per year for them both.
Bush & Miller will be restricted FAs and re-inked at the highest bid; which I’m pretty confident will be resonable. Remember that this may be a shortened offseason so it doesn’t bode well for free agency as they need time to practice with any new team. Miller will probably get a 1st round tender, Bush 2nd or 1st.
Routt and Huff will also be re-inked for reasonable contracts. Huff said he wants to come back. I sure Routt won’t be let go either.
All is good in Raiderland
February 5th, 2011 at 9:51 am
G’morning fellas.
Bringing Big Richard Seymour back is absolutely imperative, IMO. I’d like to see em get a nice 3-4 year deal done. If it takes another franchise tag, so be it.
This team is severely lacking in veteran leadership. Rich brings that to the defense and the whole team really. His presence is very important on this young team.
I’m not taking anything away from D-line coach Mike Waufle. His work in NYG and Oak speaks for itself. He seems like one of the best in the biz.
But don’t think for a second that Seymour didn’t have a huge impact on the development of youngsters Houston, Shaughnessy and especially TKelly.
Besides, losing him after only two years after trading away a 1st would be a horrible trade and business decision.
February 5th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Not sure if the new CBA will have “tenders” in it, or at least in their current form.
The players don’t like anything that lets teams continually put one year contracts on them, and prevents players from being FA’s and getting signing bonus and more guaranteed money.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:01 am
I am pretty sure the Raiders will franchise Richard first (why wouldn’t they) and we will see if Seymour and the Raiders can agree to a longer term contract afterwards.
I place re-signing Seymour 1st, Huff 2nd, and Miller 3rd.
I think we can win without Nnamdi (we did last year) and could use his money to bring in an adequater replacement. And in an ideal world, McFadden is getting 30 touches a game so we can replace Bush with someone not as good, but not be that much worse off because of limited role.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:04 am
offense and quarter backs win games no doubt
defense wins championships.i wish they kept a stat for missed tackles .i think its just as important as 3rd down stats if not more important .remember the the sb titans lost thats a good example quarter back did his job got him the ball .then the defense did there job didnt miss the tackle ,one missed tackle away from a win
February 5th, 2011 at 10:08 am
It is unbelievable how young this team actually is. There’s been a lot of talk on here lately about Gruden and the SB, etc. Look at the roster of those teams.
They were loaded with vetean leadership. Gannon, Rice and Brown, Big Linc and the Wiz on offense.
Rod Woodson, Romanowski and Trace Armstron on D.
Look at two of the better defenses in the league right now. Pittsburgh who is playing in ANOTHER SB tomorrow has six starters on D who are 30 and older. Baltimore I believe I heard has seven.
Contrast that with the Raiders. They have ONE. Seymour. I believe Nnamdi turns 30 this year. Amazingly they are both FA’s. The Raiders need to try and keep both. They are the two with the most league-wide credibility in the lockerroom.
Who are the longest tenured Raiders? The friggin punter and kicker. This is a talented young team, but they are starved for veteran leadership.
They cannot afford to let Seymour, and to a lesser extent Nnamdi…walk.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Also, about Tim Brown and the Hall of Fame.
During his best years, Cris Carter played next to Randy Moss and Jake Reed with a pretty good RB in Robert Smith.
Andre Reed’s offense in Buffalo was among the best ever with Hall of Famers Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas.
The fact that Tim Brown endedp with better numbers than both of them while playing most of his career around less talented teammates should be enough to earn him a spot before them.
But if that wasn’t enough, Tim Brown had over 4,500 return yards, 4 TD’s and a Pro Bowl berth as a return specialist…Carter and Reed combined for 256 yards and no return TD’s.
In fact, only 4 players in NFL history have more total yards than Tim Brown’s 19,679.
Good luck Tim, you deserve it.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Unfortunately for Tim, he kind of got type-casted as a stat compiler more so than a dominant player.
Having his best statistical year in the disaster that was 1997 (Joe Bugel) didn’t do him any favors to change that opinion.
I think he is a HOF, but I don’t think he will get in for a few more years, and probably rightfully so.
Once your in your in anyways, nobody really cares how long it took to get in.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Absolutely.
Nice post, Bob.
Best of luck to Tim Brown.
One last note on Seymour. Hue said he wants to build a bully. Richard Seymour is a bully. He plays with a nasty disposition.
He plays like an old school Raider. He can get down and dirty. That’s the ultimate compliment.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Good morning all. I think one of the most valuable things that Seymour brings is what he is teaching the younger players about being a professional and about how to take care of there bodies. Also, insights into what the other team is doing. He is priceless to this unit. I love Asomaugh but, I would rather have Seymour. He will only help this young talent learn to win. NO offense to Namdi but, he has never won. So, hre really doesn’t know how.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:06 am
i was looking at tim browns stats first 5 years he played 1st year 43 recs
2nd year 1 recs
3rd year 18 recs
4th year 36 recs
5th year 49 recs
those are not hof numbers .but after that something happened because for the next 5 out of 10 years he caught at least 80 or more a year.
3 years of 90 or more
1 time he caught 104
last year with raiders he caught 52
one year with tampa he caught 24
February 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am
well i have to go on record and admit i could be wrong (i am wrong )for being too hard on dhb and calling for him to become a corner cause he cant catch so if dhb is reading this i apoligize (i miss spelled because ive never tried too)look at tim browns first 5 years and how he turned out.dont know what i expected from dhb .i guess i wanted an instant hero.but we still need a vet wide out while our youngsters get the hang of things .so ill take all the raggin you can dish for a minute then its on to something else i can get wrong .
February 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am
ok times up
February 7th, 2011 at 10:36 am
animal.discovery.com/videos/puppy-bowl-vii-highlights/
February 7th, 2011 at 10:37 am
animal.discovery.com/videos/puppy-bowl-vii-highlights
April 8th, 2012 at 8:07 am
susuz yikama…
[...]Seymour tag probably inevitable – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…