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Seymour tag probably inevitable

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, February 3rd, 2011 at 2:46 pm in Oakland Raiders.

NFL teams have been notified they can begin using the franchise tag as of Feb. 10, while the NFLPA isn’t so sure.

In the event of a lockout, whether a player is tagged or not isn’t going to matter much.

Whenever tags are available, it’s looking like the Raiders have every intention of using it again on defensive tackle Richard Seymour.

By virtue of having received the franchise tag last season, Seymour is due a minimum of 20 percent more than he received last season _ just under $14.9 million.

Raiders owner Al Davis was non-committal about bringing back Nnamdi Asomugha at the Jan. 18 press conference announcing the hire of Hue Jackson, conceding it might be a better idea to bring in two or three players at the approximately $17 million it would have cost to pay Asomugha had his contract not voided automatically.

Might the Raiders take the same view regarding Seymour? Lamarr Houston, the second-round pick out of Texas, was playing a lot of three-technique in Seymour’s absence over the last two games of the season and second-year man Desmond Bryant had a very strong finale.

Saving the yearly spending on Asomugha and Seymour could be spread among new players in whatever form free agency takes as well as locking up some of their own.

During the same press conference, however, Davis made a point of defending the trade he made to bring Seymour in from the Patriots for a first-round pick in the 2011 draft. Walk away from Seymour now and Davis traded a first-round draft pick for 29 games and 9.5 sacks. Jackson has made glowing references to Seymour in two radio interviews, an indication the five-time Pro Bowl selection is still in their plans.

The general feeling is that if and when a CBA is reached, franchise players will still be a part of the process. And the feeling here is Seymour will be a Raider under the franchise tag for another year.

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  • djohnnyg

    Everybody can hate Al all they want but he’s not going anywhere.

    I’m optimistic he made the right move with Hue, that he’ll have a good draft, get the free agents we need to be a top contender, and have a great season.

    I hope Goodell hands him the Lombardi trophy in the next couple years. I hope all this because it means the Raiders are winning.

    We are “stuck” with him. If you root against Al you root against the Raiders. On the flip side, if u hate him, think he’s an old, senile fool, whatever, it doesn’t mean u hate the team.

    I hope he succeeds. That’s my selfish hope. Whether anybody thinks he can make them succeed is another subject.

  • Davy Jones

    priesttj Says:
    February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    The owner is the owner that is not going to change love him or hate him he is who he is. We all know that, but if you can’t come in here and discuss the game on the field what is your objective?

    ======================

    Valid point. No matter how successful you are in prosletyzing hate for Al Davis, what do you achieve? Certainly not a change in ownership or the policy of the owner. If getting a few impressionable Raider fans to “see the light” gives you a sense of charitable accomplishment, surely there’s some other more long suffering fan base that desperately needs your “help”? Detroit, Buffalo, Cincy?

    If you REALLY want to put us in a tail spin, how about, you know, actually rooting for some Raider stuff, you know, like a fan would?

    Maybe say something nice about Jacoby Ford’s play this year? Oops, couldn’t do that, that would involve acknowledging that the old man’s 40 time fetish actually works out sometimes AND giving him credit for making a hell of a pick in the 4th round. Can’t be doing that can we?

  • djohnnyg

    I’ve come to the realization that most here just have no faith in Al Davis at all. I think alot of the guys who hate him so much do so becuz they feel he is to blame for their favorite team being in the crapper for so long before this past season.

    I do think there is a fair amount of guys here who DO actually hate the team and will continue to do so long after Al is gone.

  • ArchiveTony

    djohnnyg Says:
    February 4th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Everybody can hate Al all they want but he’s not going anywhere.
    ————
    According to TJPriest because Al’s not going anywhere, we should all sit ina circle, and sing kumbaya, while chanting Al’s name.

  • Davy Jones

    As if sitting in circle and burning Al in effigy is any smarter.

    And that’s why Jerry McDonald is the best Raider writer out there: he doesn’t do either, worship or villify. When Al gets it wrong, he says so. When Al gets it right, he says so. That’s why he has a blog, and you don’t.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    Is the South South Side in the house tonight?

  • http://www.aldavissucks.blogspot.com The Real MaddenRaider

    priesttj Says:
    February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    The owner is the owner that is not going to change love him or hate him he is who he is

    ………..

    That’s not true. Ever heard of a boycott? Priest, if the fans really wanted to, they could throw Al out on his geriatric ass. Yeah, for the time being, Al has enough support to keep him on safe ground. There happens to be 20,000 or so bright consumers that will separate thousands of dollars from their bank accounts every year to see NFL football (well, sometimes…) in Oakland. More power to them. But make no mistake, if about 1/4 of those Raider faithful give up and finally decide to turn on Al, he’s in serious trouble. Bart Bridge Blues broke it down earlier today, how Al can be stripped of his title of managing general partner. I suggest you scroll up and read it. Al’s control of Oakland is not absolute. Whether he or the fans believe it or not, he is at the mercy of the fans.

  • Demon Raider

    All this talk of the local underground hip hop artists and no mention of Andre Nickatina, Smoov-E, San Quinn, Equipto?

  • Davy Jones

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    February 5th, 2011 at 1:48 am
    priesttj Says:
    February 4th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    ………..

    That’s not true. Ever heard of a boycott? Priest, if the fans really wanted to, they could throw Al out on his geriatric ass. Yeah, for the time being, Al has enough support to keep him on safe ground. There happens to be 20,000 or so bright consumers that will separate thousands of dollars from their bank accounts every year to see NFL football (well, sometimes…) in Oakland. More power to them. But make no mistake, if about 1/4 of those Raider faithful give up and finally decide to turn on Al, he’s in serious trouble. Bart Bridge Blues broke it down earlier today, how Al can be stripped of his title of managing general partner. I suggest you scroll up and read it. Al’s control of Oakland is not absolute. Whether he or the fans believe it or not, he is at the mercy of the fans.

    ==============================

    Don’t hold your breath. For someone talking about giving me a dose of reality? Quite the fantasy you’ve got there, Don Quixote.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    Good mornin NATION!

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    Will Tim Brown have Al Davis intro him into the HOF?

  • Just Fire Baby

    Just watched the America’s Game on the 2008 Steelers.

    Common theme throughout the season was how crappy the O-line was. Tomlin called it the teams Achillies Heel and was hoping they would “exercise their demons” in the Super Bowl.

    Funny part was when Ben said he went into the huddle on the last drive and told his O-line that all the critics of the O-line would be right if they didn’t score on this drive, and “don’t let them be right”.

    First play……holding penalty, lol.

    As these two Super Bowl teams tomorrow proved once again, in today’s NFL you need a good Defense and a great QB, that’s it. You can win a Super Bowl with your O-line being your “achillies heel”.

  • http://www.hotmail.com The Dirtee Raccoon

    Ok, JFB we got a pretty good D that is gettin better. Now we must find a REAL QB!

  • Just Fire Baby

    I mean every position is important of course, not saying to completely dismiss the O-line. Steelers obviously tried to address this issue by drafting Pouncey.

    Interesting note is that the Steelers O-line will have 4 different starters on this years team from the team two years ago.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I wonder if the Ravens owner is going to dock 20K from Harbaugh’s weekly check next year?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/05/ravens-players-threatened-to-go-to-union-about-long-playoff-practices/

  • TerrapinRaider

    I hope they don’t franchise Seymour. Give the guys a nice 4-5yr contract. He deserves it.

    Players complaining about long playoff practices? HAHAHAHA ….man what is the world coming to? ha Unions

  • Just Fire Baby

    Terrapin,

    Do you think Seymour will agree to a 4-5 year contract? I think he would, but it would have to have some player outs and options years, IMO.

  • TerrapinRaider

    Nah. I think he really wants to be here. You don’t envoke religion when you don’t mean what you saying. Him saying he was “meant” and placed here by a higher being says to me he really wants to and believes in the Raiders. Sounds crazy given all the spin we hear about the Raiders, but he does.

  • http://chismetime.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sofia_vergara_01.jpg r8eray

    Good Morning Nation!

  • r8rwill

    good morning nation,
    it is a great day to be a raiders fan!!no?
    rich seymour was born a raider ,,,i think..

  • http://0 Bob Marley

    Don’t fret about the cost of getting Richard Seymour back, the Raiders won’t have to sign a 1st round pick to a contract so there’s a nice chunk of money to be used on Seymour.

  • TerrapinRaider

    Seymour should get a 4 yr deal. Nnamdi will re-ink for less (the overall contract may be high, but he won’t really get paid that much). My best guess is about $10-12mm per year for them both.

    Bush & Miller will be restricted FAs and re-inked at the highest bid; which I’m pretty confident will be resonable. Remember that this may be a shortened offseason so it doesn’t bode well for free agency as they need time to practice with any new team. Miller will probably get a 1st round tender, Bush 2nd or 1st.

    Routt and Huff will also be re-inked for reasonable contracts. Huff said he wants to come back. I sure Routt won’t be let go either.

    All is good in Raiderland

  • buckeyeraider

    G’morning fellas.

    Bringing Big Richard Seymour back is absolutely imperative, IMO. I’d like to see em get a nice 3-4 year deal done. If it takes another franchise tag, so be it.

    This team is severely lacking in veteran leadership. Rich brings that to the defense and the whole team really. His presence is very important on this young team.

    I’m not taking anything away from D-line coach Mike Waufle. His work in NYG and Oak speaks for itself. He seems like one of the best in the biz.

    But don’t think for a second that Seymour didn’t have a huge impact on the development of youngsters Houston, Shaughnessy and especially TKelly.

    Besides, losing him after only two years after trading away a 1st would be a horrible trade and business decision.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Not sure if the new CBA will have “tenders” in it, or at least in their current form.

    The players don’t like anything that lets teams continually put one year contracts on them, and prevents players from being FA’s and getting signing bonus and more guaranteed money.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I am pretty sure the Raiders will franchise Richard first (why wouldn’t they) and we will see if Seymour and the Raiders can agree to a longer term contract afterwards.

    I place re-signing Seymour 1st, Huff 2nd, and Miller 3rd.

    I think we can win without Nnamdi (we did last year) and could use his money to bring in an adequater replacement. And in an ideal world, McFadden is getting 30 touches a game so we can replace Bush with someone not as good, but not be that much worse off because of limited role.

  • imaquaman

    offense and quarter backs win games no doubt
    defense wins championships.i wish they kept a stat for missed tackles .i think its just as important as 3rd down stats if not more important .remember the the sb titans lost thats a good example quarter back did his job got him the ball .then the defense did there job didnt miss the tackle ,one missed tackle away from a win

  • buckeyeraider

    It is unbelievable how young this team actually is. There’s been a lot of talk on here lately about Gruden and the SB, etc. Look at the roster of those teams.

    They were loaded with vetean leadership. Gannon, Rice and Brown, Big Linc and the Wiz on offense.

    Rod Woodson, Romanowski and Trace Armstron on D.

    Look at two of the better defenses in the league right now. Pittsburgh who is playing in ANOTHER SB tomorrow has six starters on D who are 30 and older. Baltimore I believe I heard has seven.

    Contrast that with the Raiders. They have ONE. Seymour. I believe Nnamdi turns 30 this year. Amazingly they are both FA’s. The Raiders need to try and keep both. They are the two with the most league-wide credibility in the lockerroom.

    Who are the longest tenured Raiders? The friggin punter and kicker. This is a talented young team, but they are starved for veteran leadership.

    They cannot afford to let Seymour, and to a lesser extent Nnamdi…walk.

  • http://0 Bob Marley

    Also, about Tim Brown and the Hall of Fame.

    During his best years, Cris Carter played next to Randy Moss and Jake Reed with a pretty good RB in Robert Smith.

    Andre Reed’s offense in Buffalo was among the best ever with Hall of Famers Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas.

    The fact that Tim Brown endedp with better numbers than both of them while playing most of his career around less talented teammates should be enough to earn him a spot before them.

    But if that wasn’t enough, Tim Brown had over 4,500 return yards, 4 TD’s and a Pro Bowl berth as a return specialist…Carter and Reed combined for 256 yards and no return TD’s.

    In fact, only 4 players in NFL history have more total yards than Tim Brown’s 19,679.

    Good luck Tim, you deserve it.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Unfortunately for Tim, he kind of got type-casted as a stat compiler more so than a dominant player.

    Having his best statistical year in the disaster that was 1997 (Joe Bugel) didn’t do him any favors to change that opinion.

    I think he is a HOF, but I don’t think he will get in for a few more years, and probably rightfully so.

    Once your in your in anyways, nobody really cares how long it took to get in.

  • buckeyeraider

    Absolutely.

    Nice post, Bob.
    Best of luck to Tim Brown.

    One last note on Seymour. Hue said he wants to build a bully. Richard Seymour is a bully. He plays with a nasty disposition.

    He plays like an old school Raider. He can get down and dirty. That’s the ultimate compliment.

  • Ghost to the Post

    Good morning all. I think one of the most valuable things that Seymour brings is what he is teaching the younger players about being a professional and about how to take care of there bodies. Also, insights into what the other team is doing. He is priceless to this unit. I love Asomaugh but, I would rather have Seymour. He will only help this young talent learn to win. NO offense to Namdi but, he has never won. So, hre really doesn’t know how.

  • imaquaman

    i was looking at tim browns stats first 5 years he played 1st year 43 recs
    2nd year 1 recs
    3rd year 18 recs
    4th year 36 recs
    5th year 49 recs
    those are not hof numbers .but after that something happened because for the next 5 out of 10 years he caught at least 80 or more a year.
    3 years of 90 or more
    1 time he caught 104
    last year with raiders he caught 52
    one year with tampa he caught 24

  • imaquaman

    well i have to go on record and admit i could be wrong (i am wrong )for being too hard on dhb and calling for him to become a corner cause he cant catch so if dhb is reading this i apoligize (i miss spelled because ive never tried too)look at tim browns first 5 years and how he turned out.dont know what i expected from dhb .i guess i wanted an instant hero.but we still need a vet wide out while our youngsters get the hang of things .so ill take all the raggin you can dish for a minute then its on to something else i can get wrong .

  • imaquaman

    ok times up

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