Raiders had two shots at Rodgers
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, February 5th, 2011 at 10:30 am in Oakland Raiders.
At the very end of the post-press conference gaggle with Al Davis on Jan. 18, the Raiders’ owner was asked about Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers and if he regretted not taking the Cal quarterback in the draft.
“Sure I would regret not drafting him. Fact, I made two calls to two people,” Davis said. “Yeah, he’s a good player.”
Davis said his normal course of action when he sees someone he likes on television is to “go back in the files upstairs and we got a report on the guy that’s, `ehh, he’s 50 percent.’ I might call (the scout) and say, what were you doing?’ ”
The exchange happened at the very end of the marathon press conference with no follow-ups. So it’s left to the imagination as to who Davis called, when he called them, and if he thinks scouts responsible for evaluating Rodgers were in error.
A couple of things:
– Davis didn’t need to call anyone from another team to take Rodgers in the draft. He was sitting there when the Raiders selected at No. 23, undergoing the draft day free fall which has been recounted daily as Rodgers prepares to lead the Green Bay Packers into the Super Bowl Sunday against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Oakland took Fabian Washington out of Nebraska who was _ surprise! _ the fastest cornerback at the NFL scouting combine. Green Bay followed with the selection of Rodgers at No. 24.
The Raiders quarterback in 2005 was Kerry Collins, with Rich Gannon out of the picture after suffering a broken vertebra in his neck and making his retirement official in August of 2005. Erstwhile backup Marques Tuiasosopo was named the starter for the rest of the season by coach Norv Turner with the Raiders at 4-8 heading into a Week 14 game against the New York Jets, only to play horribly in a 26-10 loss.
Turner then backtracked and went back to Collins, giving a tortured explanation that it was his call while his eyes and mannerisms said something entirely different.
Turner was gone following the season, and while Rodgers remained in Green Bay, immersing himself in a single system of football, the Raiders continued playing musical chairs, running through Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Josh McCown, Daunte Culpepper, JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski and Jason Campbell.
Campbell, by the way, was taken No. 25, one pick after Rodgers, by the Washington Redskins. Walter went to the Raiders in the third round at No. 69, two picks after Cleveland selected Akron’s Charlie Frye at No. 67.
– Oakland had a second chance at Rodgers entering the 2007 season as Packers quarterback Brett Favre was lobbying hard for wide receiver Randy Moss. Green Bay G.M. Ted Thompson, however, wanted a lot in return _ and not just Moss. He also wanted draft picks. Thompson could have been the “couple of calls” referred to by Davis.
The Raiders had the No. 1 overall pick that year and rather than put together a Moss-to-Green Bay package by getting additional picks, trading out of the top spot and dealing for Rodgers, Davis went with Russell.
Sounds ridiculous in hindsight. At the time, however, Rodgers had sat the bench for two years and while there were scouts who were worried about Russell, others thought the LSU quarterback worthy of the top pick.
So Russell became a Raider and perhaps the biggest flop in the history of the NFL draft. Rodgers stayed in Green Bay.
Could Rodgers have changed the course of Raiders history?
If the Raiders had drafted Rodgers instead of Washington, he would have had to survive the stone-age Art Shell-Tom Walsh offense in 2006. Had the Raiders decided to trade for Rodgers in 2007 and pass on Russell, Lane Kiffin would have had a quarterback much more suited to his style of offense.
As for how things would have transpired after that, feel free to write your own doomsday or happily-ever-after scenario.
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February 5th, 2011 at 10:33 am
If we drafted or traded for Rodgers, this was a playoff team in 2010.
At the very least.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:37 am
That’s typical of Al Davis!
February 5th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Bob Marley Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Also, about Tim Brown and the Hall of Fame.
During his best years, Cris Carter played next to Randy Moss and Jake Reed with a pretty good RB in Robert Smith.
Andre Reed’s offense in Buffalo was among the best ever with Hall of Famers Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas.
The fact that Tim Brown endedp with better numbers than both of them while playing most of his career around less talented teammates should be enough to earn him a spot before them.
But if that wasn’t enough, Tim Brown had over 4,500 return yards, 4 TD’s and a Pro Bowl berth as a return specialist…Carter and Reed combined for 256 yards and no return TD’s.
In fact, only 4 players in NFL history have more total yards than Tim Brown’s 19,679.
Good luck Tim, you deserve it.
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Just Fire Baby Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Unfortunately for Tim, he kind of got type-casted as a stat compiler more so than a dominant player.
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Vegas, I don’t buy that argument.
Steve Largent, Art Monk, James Lofton, they were not dominant players and they’re in, even if it took a while for Monk.
If they (voters) want to go with the “dominant” or “difference maker” argument, then give them Cliff Branch, a true game-changer who they refuse to vote in.
February 5th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I agree with Jerry and you Bob, that Branch should get in before Tim.
I say Tim is very similar to Art Monk, only Monk won Super Bowls. And it did take Monk awhile to get in, and Tim should get in right around the same time it took Monk to get in.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Tim Brown probably has the worst string of quaterbacks throwing to him than any other WR in the HOF. He also lost a year with a devastating injury on a return. I don’t buy that he was a stat compiler on a bad team, just look at our receivers since 2006. All bad teams and not one 1000 yard receiver….Imagine the insane numbers Tim would have put up had he went to Denver, much to the shagrin of millions of raider fans
February 5th, 2011 at 11:06 am
How can you not call Tim Brown a stat-compiler?
It wasn’t his fault, but he didn’t play a lot of meaningful football after Thanksgiving, and thus his stats were compiled in meaningless fashion.
Career high for yards were in 1997. Career high for a game was the blowout loss the last week of that season. Shat the bed in his only Super Bowl.
I love Tim and everything he did (his 2001 punt return against KC was one of the most electric times I ever seen the coliseum) but he doesn’t have many impactful moments for national media members to draw on.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:06 am
22 other teams passed on Rodgers on draft day, there must have been something about the guy that caused him to drop from 1st overall candidate all the way to the 24th pick.
Much like Brady Quinn in 07, except Quinn’s issues turned out to be real, while Rodgers proved all those people wrong.
The real mistake was not trading Moss for him, but truth be told, it was hard to imagine how good he would become after riding the bench for 3 years behind Favre….at that time plenty of Packer fans wanted Rodgers traded as they felt he was a bust.
Looks like Al did talk to the Packers but Ted Thompson was probably the one guy who knew what he had in Rodgers, so he must have wanted Moss and some valuable picks for him.
Crap.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve but he didn’t . So who cares, why dwell about something that never happen.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:07 am
I think Tim Brown got more name recognition than Monk ever will. Tim will get in but Branch should be in there first.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:08 am
lets take the handcuffs off of al davis and give him a green light too make the draft picks this year!!!!!!!!!
February 5th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I remember the Raiders Offense would stay away from Tim whenever they went up against a good DB. I remember Tim used to get so ticked off at the Raiders offensive gameplan going away from him whenever he went up against Rod Woodson (while he was with Pittsburg).
February 5th, 2011 at 11:13 am
I remember leading up to the draft, the debate was Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers.
I really got the feeling Smith emerged because the last few weeks before the draft, Alex played up this brashful style that he thought he was the best, he wanted to be the number pick and that he was the best player in college football.
Meanwhile, Rodgers kind of just said it would be an honor to be #1, there were a lot of good players in college football, and he wouldn’t quite go out and say he was better than anyone.
So some teams perceived him as kind of soft, not fiery enough and not ultra-competitive.
I really think that’s what it was.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Hey Jerry I guess you and everyone else knew Rodgers would be this good. I would love have tyhe kid now but I had no idea he would be this good. No one did or he wouldn’t have dropped in the draft would he?
February 5th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Raiders have been a mess since 2002. Tui, Walter, and Russell were crushed by dysfunction, unreasonable expectations, and in Russell’s case add a side of purple drank, and the world famours Buffett at the Rio in vegas after a long night of partying.
Rodges fate would have been similar.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 11:06 am
How can you not call Tim Brown a stat-compiler?
It wasn’t his fault, but he didn’t play a lot of meaningful football after Thanksgiving, and thus his stats were compiled in meaningless fashion.
Career high for yards were in 1997. Career high for a game was the blowout loss the last week of that season. Shat the bed in his only Super Bowl.
I love Tim and everything he did (his 2001 punt return against KC was one of the most electric times I ever seen the coliseum) but he doesn’t have many impactful moments for national media members to draw on.
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Tim shat the bed or did Gannon have a choke game of epic proportion. Look at the supporting cast that Tim had to work with. His 2 best QB’s were Jeff Hostetler and Rich Gannon. He had no supporting cast and suffered for it. If he does his job and no one else does there’s can you possible blame him for the team struggling. Give Tim Brown Elway, Sharpe, TD, and Shannahan and he is a 1st ballot guy guranteed
February 5th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Preist,
Rember everyone proclaiming from the moutain tops that Brady Quinn was a great pick/ great value after he fell in to late 1 st… like you said nobody knows.
That being said; many scouts, anaylyst, and experts were saying that Rodgers has a great chance of success because he can sit behind a legend, and learn the game before getting thrown to the wolves… Looks like they were all right about that notion.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I remebered when a trade for Rodgers was discussed and I scoffed at the idea….I wanted Driver a sencond and a fourth, man was I wrong. If Kiffin wasn’t a d!ck imagine what we could have done with him and Rodgers or Hue having Aaron throwing passes to Miller and Ford.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:22 am
I remebered when people were lobbying for Jamarcus or Quinn and I was begging for us to take Calvin Johnson.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Lane Kiffin would have f’d up having Rodgers. He was a spoiled brat that was looking for another job from the first disagreement with Al davis… maybe even before he signed that contract.
I can’t wait til the Trojans fire him for Jeff Fisher ( wild ass specualtion on my part not based on anything except that mike Garret hired Lane, and Pat Hayden has been scorching the earth of anything resembling the Pete Carroll era… Fisher is an Old school Trojan Alum that would be Hayden’s guy)
February 5th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Aaron Rodgers set a college record by completing like 23 passes in a row, ON THE ROAD AGAINST THE DEFENDING CHAMPION USC TROJANS no less.
I was sold right there and than.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:25 am
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February 5th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Severaidererz,
I was on the Jamarcus band wagon, and probably one of the last to jump off. Yeah Calvin Johnson would have been nice right about now… so would have Joe Thomas, and Adrian Peterson or a whole lot of other players we missed on.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:25 am
More Tim Brown, some praise from espn, of all places.
“…the only Hall of Famer with more catches, yards and touchdowns than Brown is Jerry Rice, a one-time Raiders teammate.
“If I needed a completion,” Rich Gannon said, “I knew where to look.”
Gannon was Brown’s quarterback from 1999 to 2003. He was one of the 19 quarterbacks Brown had during his career.
He had six coaches with the Raiders: Mike Shanahan, Art Shell, Mike White, Joe Bugel, Jon Gruden and Bill Callahan.
“It’s incredible when you think of it like that,” Gannon said.
“I think that hurt him. It would hurt anybody in terms of the continuity and consistency on offense. He was constantly learning new systems. That speaks volumes about his flexibility and ability to adjust. Even when they were not playoff teams and had losing seasons, Tim Brown was always a Pro Bowl receiver.”
February 5th, 2011 at 11:26 am
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February 5th, 2011 at 11:26 am
If he does his job and no one else does there’s can you possible blame him for the team struggling.
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I don’t blame him, but it doesn’t help his cause that it happened.
That’s all I’m saying. HOF’s, MVP and Pro Bowl voting, is all a popularity contest to some extent, and you don’t win popularity contests catching 80 passes for 1100 yards on a 7-9 team.
Just the way it is.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:29 am
To be honest with all of you on rodgers… I thought he was a Tedford guy in the mold of Kyle Boller, Trent Dilfer and think to some extent even David Carr ( Teford spent time Fresno State/?)… Thought Rodgers would be nothing more than a nice arm, that could not put it together like Boller and Carr.
and I know that Dilfer won a superbowl…
February 5th, 2011 at 11:29 am
I started blogging right before the Jamarcus draft, and was on the fence between Jamarcus and Adrian Peterson.
I thought we should play D and try to win every game 13-10 with a bunch of carries to Peterson. But if you think you have a franchise QB you have to take him, I just wasn’t 100% convinced Jamarcus was one.
Peterson was an obvious sure-fire Pro Bowl RB in college though. That guy was amazing in college, the first day he walked on the field as a true freshmen.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:31 am
You guys out there oughtta know alot more about this than me, but…wasn’t one of the knocks on Rodgers coming out was the Jeff Tedford/Cal thing.
Seems like I remember something like that. I don’t know if it was the scouts thought it was a system thing like Klingler and Andre Ware spread offense at Houston or not. Whether it would translate to the pros.
I think it had something to do with throwing mechanics they were tought. Something like that.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Marley we all know how great Timmy B was… we all probably think Monta should have been an All star as well.
Maybe we should all put some money together and buy a billboard saying we want Timmy to be in the HOF… that worked so well with getting change to happen in Oakland.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:32 am
While our Shell/Walsh offense and more importantly, offensive line was completely and utterly terrible, the Packers haven’t had a decent line the whole entire time Rodgers has been their QB. Some QB’s just have it. Unfortunately for us, we haven’t had one of those since Mr. Rich Gannon.
February 5th, 2011 at 11:35 am
*taught
February 5th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Buckeye,
Just thought/ wrote same thing… Tedford had a history of Polishing up QB’s that looked pro ready, and dissapointed in the Pro’s. Mechanics and Technique were god, but they were not.
I believe his list of Qb’s was a mix of Fresno state & Cal: Dilfer, Carr, Kyle Boller, and Rodgers… honestly I think that is why Rodgers had fell. Because of the lack off success that the other had before him from Tedford’s system… they all looked pro ready… all were first rounders, all played in pro style system’sd and all failed for the most part except Dilfer’s magic carpet ride in B’ more
February 5th, 2011 at 11:52 am
You guys are right about the Aaron Rodgers – Jeff Tedford comments, here’s an old story:
“Tedford’s methods failing QBs in NFL.
Aaron Rodgers is trying to do what other Jeff Tedford QBs haven’t – establish consistent NFL success.
The five quarterbacks currently in the NFL who were tutored by Jeff Tedford haven’t enjoyed very much success.
- Trent Dilfer (No. 6 overall pick in 1994 draft by Tampa Bay).
- Akili Smith (No. 3 overall pick in 1999 draft by Cincinnati).
- David Carr (No. 1 overall pick in 2002 draft by Houston).
- Joey Harrington (No. 3 overall pick in 2002 draft by Detroit).
- Kyle Boller (No. 19 overall pick in 2003 draft by Baltimore).
Which begs the question of whether Tedford’s latest prize pupil, California quarterback Aaron Rodgers, the likely choice of the San Francisco 49ers with the top overall pick in the 2005 NFL draft, will be more productive than the five that preceded him into the league.
That quintet, has pretty much flopped both aggregately and individually.
Their collective record as starters is just 98-127, only a 43.6 winning percentage. The group has combined for a completion percentage of 54.6, thrown more interceptions (230) than touchdown passes (202), and posted an anemic passer (in)efficiency rating of 68.6.
They might be in the minority, but there are a few NFL personnel chiefs who questions Tedford’s methods and how they translate, or perhaps don’t transfer, to the pro game.
Aaron Rodgers is the latest Jeff Tedford pupil headed for the first round. Not surprisingly, Tedford debunks the notion that his teaching methods, so brilliantly effective in the college game, lead mostly to arrested development in the NFL.
“I have never once been told by an NFL guy that there’s something holding one of our quarterbacks back because of fundamentals or technique or lack of learning,” Tedford told the San Francisco Chronicle.
“They’re all competitive. They’re all very skilled. We run a complicated offense. [The NFL teams] all get them on the (chalk)board before they ever draft them.”
True enough, the teams that have drafted Tedford-taught quarterbacks deserve to share in the culpability for their failures.
For some reason, though, they keep making the same mistakes on Tedford quarterbacks. They buy into the hype, are apparently blinded by numbers, and are enamored by Tedford’s alleged tutorial skills.
But you have to wonder why teams are so oblivious to the track record and why scouts continue to be dazzled by the spin machine.
In his two seasons as the Baltimore starter, Boller has looked mechanical and robotic and, not surprisingly, those are two adjectives also used to describe Rodgers.
Tedford does an excellent job, it seems, in programming his quarterbacks. He provides them more facile reads by having created a system that, sometimes even before the snap, eliminates half of the field from the pass-progression process.
The offense places a high premium on completion percentage, on making the quick and accurate throws, usually in low-risk scenarios, but seems lacking in big plays and in vertical dimension.
Tedford has insisted Rodgers possesses more natural athleticism than his other students who were chosen in the first round. But when you watch Rodgers on tape, he displays all the signature Tedford mechanics, including the manner in which he holds the ball high, up around the ear-hole of his helmet.
The technique is known, in Tedford-talk, as putting the ball “on the shelf.” It has yet, though, to put any of his pupils on the top shelf among NFL quarterbacks.
And the guess is that Rodgers will struggle as much as his predecessors from the Tedford school have in making the transition to the NFL.”
By Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
Wow…Dilfer, Akili, Carr, Harrington and Boller, no wonder Rodgers future was questioned.
February 5th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
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February 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
TMZ reported on Thursday that Michael Vick was hosting a Super Bowl party in Dallas, which would be loaded with security and a SWAT team.
On Friday, Tony Dungy appeared on the Dan Patrick Show and said the party is not happening.
“He’s not,” Dungy said when asked why Vick was hosting a party. “He is not going to be attending. I don’t know where it started or what, but he’s not going to be there. I think he understands it’s something that’s just not worth it to him.”And i will not allow it.
The Philadelphia Eagles said on Thursday that Vick would not be attending the party.
The last time Vick hosted a party was for his birthday last summer when his dog fighting co-defendant was shot. The Eagles quarterback was not present when the shooting took place.
February 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Marley that is a blast from the past… i rember those sentiments well… i forgot about Tedford’s hiatus to Oregon.
Tedford’s track record for Qb’s was horrible, and sure Pete Carroll and the rest of college coaches have been in recruits ears about that over the past 5 years because Cal can smell a decent QB anymore.
Maybe Aaron Rodgers brings back the glory for his old mentor, and a decent QB signs with Cal Again.
for some reason the picture of Kevin Riley as a freshman running around like a chicken with his head cut off as a freshman just came to mind. That kid was doomed for failure on the fateful evening when he costs Cal the top spot in the poll’s…
February 5th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Let me put a disclaimer in there… Tedford single handidly ruined the allure of having a Pro style/ pro ready Qb/ from a pro system… His Qb’s were great in college; horrible on Sunday.
February 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Aaron Rogers must still wake up with cold sweats thinking about how close he came to being sentenced to Oakland during the darkest of days…
February 5th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
i was looking at tim browns stats first 5 years he played 1st year 43 recs
2nd year 1 recs
3rd year 18 recs
4th year 36 recs
5th year 49 recs
those are not hof numbers .but after that something happened because for the next 5 out of 10 years he caught at least 80 or more a year.
3 years of 90 or more
1 time he caught 104
last year with raiders he caught 52
one year with tampa he caught 24
February 5th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
well i have to go on record and admit i could be wrong (i am wrong )for being too hard on dhb and calling for him to become a corner cause he cant catch so if dhb is reading this i apoligize (i miss spelled because ive never tried too)look at tim browns first 5 years and how he turned out.dont know what i expected from dhb .i guess i wanted an instant hero.but we still need a vet wide out while our youngsters get the hang of things .so ill take all the raggin you can dish for a minute then its on to something else i can get wrong .
February 5th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Just watched the 1998 Rose Bowl (Leaf vs. C-Wood) on the Big Ten network.
Damn shame about Leon Bender. He was controlling the interior of that LOS, against a Michigan O-line that had Steve Hutchinson at G.
February 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
MILWAUKEE — The guest list for Presidents White House Super Bowl party includes entertainers Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony as well as elected leaders from Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
president said he’d go to the Super Bowl in Arlington, Texas, if the Bears won the NFC title against the Green Bay Packers. But his team lost and the Packers are taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.
A White House spokesman said Thursday that about 100 people have been invited, including White House staff, family and friends and other members of Congress.
Among those expected to attend are Attorney General Eric Holder, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Sens. Pat Toomey and Robert Casey Jr. of Pennsylvania and congressman Reid Ribble of Wisconsin.
Former Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett were also expected. In a news release, Barrett said he and his 18-year-old son, Tommy, will bring gift baskets made by Milwaukee companies Usinger’s Sausage and Klement’s Sausage.
Watching the Packers win the Super Bowl with the president, whom he called the Bears’ fan in chief, will be “particularly satisfying,” Barrett said.
president previously said he wouldn’t take sides in the Super Bowl. But he visited Penn State University on Thursday and told a crowd, “I’ve got some love for the Steelers.”
president visited Manitowoc, Wis., on Jan. 26 and received several Packers jerseys as gifts, including one signed by Packers cornerback Charles Woodson. Woodson wrote: “See you at the White House. Go Packers.”
February 5th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
imaquaman Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
i was looking at tim browns stats first 5 years he played 1st year 43 recs
2nd year 1 recs
3rd year 18 recs
4th year 36 recs
5th year 49 rec
A case for patience with DHB…
timmy had to sit and watch Willie Gault & Mervyn “swervin” fenandez for a few years.. after getting hurt
February 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Marley your boy Ricardo Lockette is on Tv in the college allstar game: Texas vs Nation
Other notable buzz worthy players… Kendrik Ellis nT Hampton, and Enderle
February 5th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
It seems like every play i watch there is a qb getting sacked… by somebody I have never heard of
February 5th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
How’s Enderle doing?
February 5th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
REC. YRDS.
2010 OAK 26 366
2009 OAK 9 124
DHB
February 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Why don’t most Raider games sell out?
Can’t go to the game if your in jail!
February 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
34.r8eray Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
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February 5th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
48.confucius400 Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Why don’t most Raider games sell out?
Can’t go to the game if your in jail!
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Heard this on the radio the other week.
1. The guy that owns the store is probably a Dallas Cowboys fan.
2. The guy that cleans the store is probably a Steelers fan.
3. The guy that robs the store and gets fired is probably a Raider fan.
Pretty funny schytt.
February 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Until we get a top rated quarterback, we aren’t going to the Superbowl.
When is Al Davis going to understand that this is a quarterback driven league, not a defensive back driven league?
February 5th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Will Tim Brown have Al Davis introduce him into the HOF?
February 5th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
YA…
Enderle takes a sack with the best of them… I have seen Yates and Potts both loose ball on sacks.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Ricardo Lockette caught a few passes with his hands: impressive for a track kid. It took DHB like 20 pro games to acquire that skill…
February 5th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Q: What is the difference between a Packer fan and a baby?
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A: The pricks are on the outside of a porcupine.
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A: Someone painted and endzone on it.
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A: Neither of them can stop the Bears
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A: “May I have your autograph Mr. Favre?”
Q: What doe’s a Tampon and the packers have in common?
A: Only good for one period and they don’t have a second string!!
Q: What do you call a Wisconsin girl that can run faster than her brothers?
A: A virgin.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Kirk,
That is easier said than done, my friend. You think Al isn’t trying?
Hell, he spent the #1 overall pick in the draft on a QB. And gave him a ton of money. You can Monday morning QB if you want, and say that was a bad pick.
Many analysts said Jamarcus had the best pro day they’d ever seen. He was supposed to be a franchise QB.
Now he’s trying to resurect a former first rd pick in JC. Going so far to call him another Jim Plunkett. We’ll see.
Hell, the friggin ARIZONA CARDINALS made it to the SB a couple of years ago with a supposedly washed up Kurt Warner. Probably shoulda won it.
I think Al Davis knows the importance of having a QB. Like Priest has said many times….They don’t just grow on trees.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
BuckeyeRaider, if you go to a comedy club, and the comedian sucks, do you go to the next show he headlines…because he’s trying?
February 5th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Raccoon, Don’t let Richochet (aka SammyTheBull), or HayezDaze read that. They threw a fit yesterday trying to convince us that Green Bay’s night life rivals that of New York City.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
There’s a lot of temptation in Green Bay for Woodson. Once his snowmobile careened into a ditch.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
BuckeyeRaider, if you go to a comedy club, and the comedian sucks, do you go to the next show he headlines…because he’s trying?
If the comedian is near and dear to my heart…. yes
Just like why we all go to Raider games still… those of us that can afford it these days.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
AL has tried to bring in winning QB’s with varying degrees of success. More often he’s swung and missed.
He’s tried the 1st rd route with RoboQB Marijaunavich and Jamarcus. Both had personal demons, unfortunately.
He’s tried 2nd rd w/ Tui. Drafted Andrew Walter.
He’s brought in veterans Hostetler and Jeff George. Made the ill fated Schroeder trade.
And yes, he even signed off on Gannon. Remember MR, he rules with an iron fist. Has final say on all things Silver & Black. Both good and bad, you poser.
If I bailed on the comedian when times get tough…well that would make me a fair weather fan. A band wagon jumper. like you. If you’re even a fan at all.
Very debatable at this point. So get outta here with you’re weak azz analogy.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
# dickv Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
If the comedian is near and dear to my heart…. yes
Just like why we all go to Raider games still… those of us that can afford it these days.
…………
So you admit Al doesn’t know what he’s doing. Your support is entirely based on loyalty to Al. Right?
February 5th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
BuckeyeRaider, the comedian at the club I went to last night tried to tell jokes. Wasn’t funny. I’m not going to any other show he headlines. Why should I go to Raider games just because the owner is trying?
February 5th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
RMR,
I think if you jump ship now, you might really miss something in the next couple of years.
As long as they aren’t gutted in FA, I think this team could be on the verge of going on a nice lil run here.
Like they did under Shell in early nineties and your hero Gruden a decade ago.
They play in a very winnable division. I expect them to be duking it out w/ the young KC Chiefs for the West for the forseeable future.
Like I said earlier today …Gruden’s teams were a veteran laden bunch. They got close, but their window closed. The rebuilding is almost complete.
This young team is about to be fun to watch again, IMO.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
And, you know what? I don’t think Al’s trying, anyway.
Who’s his General Manager?
When is the last time he’s made a serious offer to a top notch, proven head coach?
Why hasn’t he hired a top notch, proven defensive coordinator?
Why isn’t his defense more versatile scheme wise, like the rest of the league?
Al’s not trying at all. I think he just wants to see good offensive numbers because offense sells tickets, and that he wants to save money elsewhere.
I think Al’s a cheap skate that just wants to get enough fans into the stadium to stay solvent.
I think he refuses to retire because as soon as he’s not the owner of an NFL team anymore, he’s NOBODY! And he knows there will be almost no fare in tribute to him once he leaves. All of the fare that exists today in tribute of him is created by him. Basically, Al is only trying to exist and be seen, let the world know he’s here, and generate enough income to continue doing it. That’s all he’s trying to do, and his football team doesn’t need to win for him to accomplish it.
Al isn’t trying at all.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Cheapskate!!! WTF?
Tou can question Al’s skills as a gm all you want. You can say he doesn’t spend wisely if you wish.
But Cheapskate? The guy has the highest payroll in the league. By far.
The guy is a players owner. He pays his players, and pays them well.
Why he refuses to pay his coaches as well is up for debate. I don’t get it.
But, AL Davis spends money on his football team. Probably more than he can afford.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
League has a salary cap. It’s a fixed budget. He doesn’t spend jack on his coaches or management, because he’s CHEAP!
February 5th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Al spends money where he absolutely has to. Yeah, what’s he going to do, have the lowest payroll in the league when he sucks this bad? They’d throw him in jail. The NFL would not tolerate a Donald Sterling, the league is too intertwined with television and every game is on every Sunday. They just would not tolerate an owner who loses year after year and has a ridiculously low payroll. That is why Al will go on spending sprees for players. Not because he’s a players owner. Please. Ask Marcus Allen, Ken Stabler, and Rich Gannon just how much of a players’ owner Al is. BTW…that’s our all time leading passer, our all time leading rusher, and our second all time leading passer. They make up part of this franchise’s winners’ circle of talent, yet Al screwed them. Players’ owner. Don’t make me laugh. Cheap skate! That’s what he is.
February 5th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Hey buckeye.
— “buckeyeraider Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
AL has tried to bring in winning QB’s with varying degrees of success….
And yes, he even signed off on Gannon.
Remember MR, he rules with an iron fist. Has final say on all things Silver & Black. Both good and bad, you poser.”—–
Hold on, man.
Davis didn’t just “signed off on Gannon”.
As Jon Gruden himself wrote in his book, it was Al Davis who actually urged Gruden to take a look at Rich Gannon when we were looking for a QB back in 99.
Jon Gruden: “Gannon was thirty-three years old and had kind of bounced around the league.
But he had played well against the Raiders, and Al Davis and Bruce Allen wanted me to take a look at him.
When I watched his game film, I saw a great athlete; he was always a threat to run the ball. I saw an accurate passer. The bottom line was that the guy was a winner.”
Source: Jon Gruden´s Book, Do you Love Football? Winning with Heart, Passion and Not Much Sleep. September 2003.
February 5th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Just to set things straight on that topic…
February 5th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Even better yet. Thanks, Bob.
February 5th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Anytime Buckeye.
February 5th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
So how did Ricardo Lockette do Vegas?.
February 5th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
# Kirk Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Until we get a top rated quarterback, we aren’t going to the Superbowl.
When is Al Davis going to understand that this is a quarterback driven league, not a defensive back driven league?
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offense wins games and sells tickets
defense wins championships
February 5th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
As all pro Champ Bailey heads into this off-season his future with the Denver Broncos is highly in doubt. Bailey will be 33 years old in June and I’m sure he would love to play in Oakland where he has a shot at winning a championship.
February 5th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Al Davis picked defensive backs in the first round of 5 out of 8 drafts.
How many quarterbacks did he pass on during those 5 drafts?
February 5th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Say this for Raiders owner Al Davis: His team’s losing isn’t due to a lack of effort on his part. Sure, he may not know how to win in today’s NFL, but he can sign blank checks with the best of them, as demonstrated by the salary data released by USA Today.
According to the data, Oakland currently sits atop the NFL with a payroll of $152 million, $6 million more than the No. 2 team on the list, the Dallas Cowboys. Oakland and Dallas are the only teams spending over $140 million, while only the Saints, Vikings and Browns join them in the $130 million club. The Kansas City Chiefs currently have the lowest payroll at $83 million,
just saying thats all
February 5th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
This hurts. There’s not a quarterback in the league I’d rather have right now over Rodgers. Watched the guy closely the last couple of seasons with him on every fantasy team I have. Phenomal player. I’d take him over Manning and Brady right now when you factor in age, but maybe even if you didn’t.
February 5th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
58.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Raccoon, Don’t let Richochet (aka SammyTheBull), or HayezDaze read that. They threw a fit yesterday trying to convince us that Green Bay’s night life rivals that of New York City.
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The only thing GB and NYC have in common is the Fur!
February 5th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
They’re getting ready to announce class of HOF inductees.
Are Deion and M Faulk 1st Balloters?
Don’t know if Timmy’s going to make it. If not this year, eventually.
Would like to be pleasantly surprised. Good luck, Tim.
February 5th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
My votes goes for: Deon, Marshall, Timmy, Sharpe, then toss up between Carter/Hanburger (dont know him but 8 pro bowls speaks volumes)
February 5th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Brown was better than Carter and Reed.
February 5th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Damn,
Timmy didn’t even make the finalists.
But, Cortez Kennedy did?
February 5th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Cris Carter didn’t make the list of finalists, either.
He was a helluva WR, too. Impressive career numbers.
But, he had some baggage. He’s a jerk and has some off the field issues/drug problems.
Timmy was squeeky clean in that regard. As far as I know, at least.
February 5th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
yeah yeah yeah, every other team in the NFL could’ve drafted Rodgers as well. (or have you never heard of trading up?) 31 team effed up. Next. Go Cal! Go Pack Go!
too bad the stadium roof in Dallas didn’t do a Metrodome. I know, different structures and different engineering but just as the Dallas practice facility was ill-designed and collapsed, too bad that the Big TV Screen didn’t fail under conditions it was not designed for.
100,000 ticket holders…Rose Bowl, Big House, Aztega Stadium or Rio would’ve been the only venues. Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
February 5th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Azteca.
February 5th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
along with local cops, Texas Rangers, county sheriffs and secret service, the NFL sent 3,000 of its own security personnel to the SB. an estimated 200,000 people will mill around the SB. One person of law enforcement for every six people. Josef freaking Stalin could not have imagined such a thing.
February 5th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
This hurts. There’s not a quarterback in the league I’d rather have right now over Campbell. Watched the guy closely the last couple of seasons with him on every fantasy team I have. Phenomal player. I’d take him over Manning and Brady right now when you factor in age, but maybe even if you didn’t.
February 5th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Confucius400,
sometime recently you chastised me for being selfish by travelling extensively. I thought about that. Your assertion is correct, but with caveats.
Beyond my own desires, I wished to see the human race face to face. No tour groups, no packages, no military.
Fascinating as it has been to see humans in their own realms in scores of countries and most every continent, in their own conditions and their various cultures it has led me to find them a species that does not deserve worship.
Humans have declared themselves worthy and intelligent. Excuse me but that is the same as an armadillo saying it is the pinnacle of evolution.
Raider on.
February 5th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Defense wins championships?? Haha, what is this 1930?
Patriots, Rams, and Colts have shiny Lombardis because of offense. Don’t fight it.
February 5th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
what U got here is a horrific performance by the Raiders GM, AD. The guy isn’t awake before 3PM to watch CAL Berkeley football which plays less than 5 miles away from Oakland to see with his own failing eyes the local talent and instead has to call a “couple of people” to get their opinion. Well if he actually gave a damn he’d be all over local talent first and foremost. This man has failed on so many levels these past 8 years it’s not even funny. INstaed of admitting his own many failings AD keeps firing others and then throwing them under the bus.
Can’t wait to see Raiders without this lunatic. One can only dream.
February 5th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
dream on brother. im with u….
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“Can’t wait to see Raiders without this lunatic. One can only dream.”
February 5th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
# alex7 Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Defense wins championships?? Haha, what is this 1930?
Patriots, Rams, and Colts have shiny Lombardis because of offense. Don’t fight it.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@no no this is 2011 duh ,also the colts sb win .(q)who was their coach?
(a)tony dungy
rams sb win (q)what was the key play that saved the win on the very last play of the game?
(a)not missing a game saving tackle on defense
pats 2001 Tom Brady, who completed 16 of 27 passes for 145 yards with a touchdown
Warner finished the game with 28 completions out of 44 passes for 365 yards, 1 touchdown, and 2 interceptions, and rushed 3 times for 6 yards and a touchdown. Warner’s 365 passing yards were the second highest total in Super Bowl history and lost
pats 20
rams 17
gee i guess your right 145 yards wins
sb record 365 lose hmmm
February 5th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
my mistake 414 yards for warner is sb record and a win
February 5th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 5th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Hey Jerry I guess you and everyone else knew Rodgers would be this good. I would love have tyhe kid now but I had no idea he would be this good. No one did or he wouldn’t have dropped in the draft would he?
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Because that’s Davis’ job, priesttj. That’s why he gets big bucks to drive the franchise into the ground, with no accountability. Now which way do you want it, friend? Is he the genius renegade you think he is or his he fallible?
February 5th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
What a waste of bandwidth! Usually a big fan of Jerry’s stuff, but this wasn’t even worth reading. So what if Davis passed on Rodgers? So did a lot of other teams!
Whos to say how Rodger’s career would have turned out if the Raiders had drafted him?
Must be a really slow news day.
February 6th, 2011 at 5:27 am
You guys out there oughtta know alot more about this than me, but…wasn’t one of the knocks on Rodgers coming out was the Jeff Tedford/Cal thing.
Seems like I remember something like that. I don’t know if it was the scouts thought it was a system thing like Klingler and Andre Ware spread offense at Houston or not. Whether it would translate to the pros.
I think it had something to do with throwing mechanics they were taught. Something like that.
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No, because Alex Smith was the ultimate system QB and he took that an one of the highest wonderlic scores ever, got drafted and did nothing except one 7-9 season in 2006 behind an outstanding run game. It may have also had to do with Cal’s national status at the time. Oldschoolraider is right; Who’s to say how he wouldve developed given the turnover we had here.
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