Defense taking shape without a DC
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, February 15th, 2011 at 1:03 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The most telling snippet from Rod Woodson’s interview with the NFL Network Monday came when he talked about potential changes in the Raiders’ defense and how it relates to the pending free agency of cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha.
“I think we’re going to do some things this year on the defensive side,” Woodson said. “Some more looks, some more things for the corners to make plays, get the football to face the football hopefully a little bit more so they can be interceptions and be playmakers for this defense.
“If we can do that, and if we can get Nnamdi Asomugha back in Oakland, one of the best corners in the NFL, it makes my job a lot easier.”
So the Raiders are apparently deep into discussing defensive philosophy and options, and currently do not have a defensive coordinator in place.
The knee-jerk reaction is to think the Raiders already have Chuck Bresnahan in place as a “defensive assistant” and that the club’s former coordinator will be become the current one. The fact that his title hasn’t changed is an indiction the Raiders may still be looking.
The stone silence out of Green Bay regarding Winston Moss could mean he is still in play, because there have been no denials of interest or declarations that he’ll stay with the Packers.
If Woodson’s comment is to be taken at face value, a coordinator hired from the outside will be entering a situation where some or much of the defensive philosophy has been decided without him by Al Davis and Hue Jackson.
Jackson insists Davis is letting him make all the decisions, but he also said he consults with him about everything. It’s the job of a defensive coordinator to take direction from his superiors, but usually they’re at least involved when it comes to recommending staff hires and implementing a playbook.
A few more Raiders notes and observations:
– Can Woodson really have an impact with regard to bringing back Asomugha? Some, but realistically, probably not much. It’s going to come down to a competitive offer. If a team with a playoff pedigree blows the Raiders out of the water, Asomugha can’t be expected to turn his back on millions of dollars because of the presence of a first-time assistant coach making a fraction of that. That’s not the way it works in the world of sports economics.
Davis already set the table for Asomugha’s departure on Jan. 18 when talked about using that money to get “two or three” players that could help.
With a competitive offer, then, sure playing for Woodson would be a plus.
– The reason Woodson’s hire has been greeted with universal acceptance throughout the national media is in large part due to the fact that he’s been a class act to deal with throughout his playing career as well as run as a television analyst. If you’ve ever spent 10 minutes around the guy, it’s easy to bet on him succeeding. But he’s never been a coach before and there are times I can remember him rolling his eyes in 2003 at the work habits of some of his teammates.
If Woodson can get those kinds of players to change, terrific. If not, he’ll be no better than anyone else.
– The franchise tags are beginning to pile up _ Michael Vick (Philadelphia), Logan Mankins (New England), Chris Harris (N.Y. Jets) and Vincent Jackson (San Diego). Peyton Manning (Indianapolis) will almost assuredly come soon and the Chiefs are expected to lock up Tamba Hali.
Note: Manning and Baltimore defensive lineman Haloti Ngata were both franchised.
Hard to believe the Raiders won’t use it on Richard Seymour in the absence of a signed long-term contract. Yes, Seymour has proclaimed his desire to stay in Oakland. But if Seymour were he to hit the free market and a team nearer to his home in South Carolina (Atlanta, perhaps?) comes calling with a big offer, he’ll look straight into the cameras and say he wanted to be a Falcon all his life.
– Here’s the necessary warning with regard to franchise players _ they mean nothing unless included in a new collective bargaining agreement.
– The Raiders haven’t made a transaction regarding a player since Jan. 5, the day they signed punter Glenn Pakulak to a reserve/future contract. No key players signed to contracts or extensions. No players released.
– The lawyer for Michael Bush says his client wasn’t drunk at the time of his arrest with a 0.7 blood alcohol level, even though he turned up at 1.1 at the jail. Regardless of how it plays out in the legal system, Bush will have his hands full explaining that away to an NFL representative representing commissioner Roger Goodell.
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February 15th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
582.J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Shaq and Jermaine O’Neal will be out of the league next year.
So will Yao.
San Antonio??? You really giving Blair that much credit?
There are NO “power” teams out there that would keep me from trading one of our “bigs” for Carmelo.
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Who cares about next year?
February 15th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
rod woodson is a class act no doubt.. and his presence will be felt in raiderland..already has among the fans..
February 15th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
“So the Raiders are apparently deep into discussing defensive philosophy and options, and currently do not have a defensive coordinator in place.”
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That’s why.
February 15th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
– The lawyer for Michael Bush says his client wasn’t drunk at the time of his arrest with a 0.7 blood alcohol level, even though he turned up at 1.1 at the jail. Regardless of how it plays out in the legal system, Bush will have his hands full explaining that away to an NFL representative representing commissioner Roger Goodell.
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First offense = slap on the hand. $50K fine, no suspension.
February 15th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
sounds like bresnahan is the man..i don’t see anything wrong with this picture..
February 15th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Who cares about next year?
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Well, since the Lakers aren’t winning jack this year, I am, lol!
February 15th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
The knee-jerk reaction is to think the Raiders already have Chuck Bresnahan in place as a “defensive assistant” and that the club’s former coordinator will be become the current one. The fact that his title hasn’t changed is an indiction the Raiders may still be looking.
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Okey dokey, Jerr.
February 15th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
the lakers looked tired last night, four games in five nights on the road will do that to you.. i don’t think it is panic time yet… yes they do not look invincible right now but artests shot will come back as will barnes.. steve blake gets better and better and when he starts looking to shoot the lakes will be fine..especially if bynum stays healthy
February 15th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
If Woodson’s comment is to be taken at face value, a coordinator hired from the outside will be entering a situation where some or much of the defensive philosophy has been decided without him by Al Davis and Hue Jackson.
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So, it’s basically business as usual. Al Davis is going to run the defense with a scheme that hasn’t been relevent since the 70’s, and they’re going to suck. Wow, what a scoop!
February 15th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
# J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Who cares about next year?
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Well, since the Lakers aren’t winning jack this year, I am, lol!
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Using that logic, who will the Warriors draft in 2078?
February 15th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
yo
February 15th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
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February 15th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Maybe Al’s loosening his iron fist realizing the perception of potential coaches and because of the fact he trusts Hue?
February 15th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Maybe Al’s loosening his iron fist
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Yes, the transfer of power to GM Southwick is underway. Condo better have his resume up to date.
February 15th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Let’s hope Al won’t throw in the towel on the 4-3 with the players we have…
February 15th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Perhaps one of the semi-pros can help me out here…
What in the Wide World of Sports, does “get the football to face the football.” mean?…
Or.. did Jerry, not proof read his work again, before hitting send?….
Regarding Chuck B., his job is to answer the phone when Al calls down to the field during games..
February 15th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Perhaps one of the semi-pros can help me out here…
What in the Wide World of Sports, does “get the football to face the football.” mean?
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Some defensive sets where the CB’s aren’t just running downfield with their back to the QB. Trying to get to where the DB’s can sometimes face the offensive backfield so they can see what the hell is going on. maybe even stop the run, or make an interception.
February 15th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
I hope that Hue and Al are talking D schemes. In my job we talk about schemes and plans all the time.
There’s enough defensive minds on staff to come up with a plan for 2011, if there’s a season that is.
I still haven’t heard much of a reason why Chuck Bresnahan is somewhat reviled around here by some. What exactly about our Raider defenses of the 2001-2003 era makes some of the semi-pros so negative on him?
February 15th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Bresnahan’s defenses gave up just as many points as Marshall’s did. Lateral move at best.
February 15th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The Raiders haven’t made a transaction regarding a player since Jan. 5, the day they signed punter Glenn Pakulak to a reserve/future contract.
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did our punter piss someone off ?
is he headed to seattle ?
February 15th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Bresnahan even outdid Ryan in his use of the idiot prevent defense.
February 15th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
prevent defense =prevent win
February 15th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Whether bresnahans defenses gave up the same amount of points or not to marshall’s the fact that stands out to me is the raiders were winners back then.
February 15th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
RAIDER SEASON TICKET HOLDERS
First payment is due on Feb 18th.
Make a statement to the NFL
WE WON’T RENEW UNTIL A DEAL IS MADE
As Raider ticket holders, as one of the faithful 22,000
WE have a voice other fans in the NFL do not have
If 5,000 of us refuse to renew, that is 25% of the base
Imagine if we get 10-11,000?
All 20,000 of us?
That is a statement that the NFL must listen to
February 15th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Okay I can’t stand the prevent any more than then next guy. I’ve blown enough gaskets over the last 35 years watching prevent defenses to make any neurosurgeon wealthy like Bill Gates.
But it seemed to me our defenses of that era were well suited to the team and the scheme. I mean we contended for the super bowl every year he was DC right?
February 15th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
DRAFT MCFADDEN!
February 15th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Kell…
I’ll buy that…thanks….
February 15th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Will Bresnahan use the vaunted and feared five saftey formation, that made Marshall so beloved here?
February 15th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
# 909RaiderLifer Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Will Bresnahan use the vaunted and feared five saftey formation, that made Marshall so beloved here?
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The bigger problem was Branch jumping the 5 yard out to the TE and leaving the middle of the field wide open
February 15th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Really sick of hearing all the crap about Condo. I don’t recall him ever making a bad snap but I do recall about 75% of the time him being involved in punt coverage tackles. Let it go! I think there are more important positions to be concerned with than a player who earns his paycheck and is consistent.
February 15th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
# SuicideRaider Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Really sick of hearing all the crap about Condo. I don’t recall him ever making a bad snap but I do recall about 75% of the time him being involved in punt coverage tackles. Let it go! I think there are more important positions to be concerned with than a player who earns his paycheck and is consistent.
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No one notices a good snap, but EVERYONE notices the bad ones
February 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Raider Defense Ranked:
00′ 17th
01′ 18th
02′ 11th
03′ 30th
10′ 11th
Why was Marshall fired again?
February 15th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
7.KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
The knee-jerk reaction is to think the Raiders already have Chuck Bresnahan in place as a “defensive assistant” and that the club’s former coordinator will be become the current one. The fact that his title hasn’t changed is an indiction the Raiders may still be looking.
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Okey dokey, Jerr.
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I think this is also telling:
“The stone silence out of Green Bay regarding Winston Moss could mean he is still in play, because there have been no denials of interest or declarations that he’ll stay with the Packers.”
I say Jerry McDonald makes a good case. But then again, why would you let Jerry’s opinion influence your anti-Davis storyline? It’s not like it’s his blog or anything . . .
Oh wait a minute, it is.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
32.KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Raider Defense Ranked:
00′ 17th
01′ 18th
02′ 11th
03′ 30th
10′ 11th
Why was Marshall fired again?
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Blowouts in Pittsburgh, Miami and Tennessee, and the collapse in Jacks.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
32.KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Raider Defense Ranked:
00′ 17th
01′ 18th
02′ 11th
03′ 30th
10′ 11th
Why was Marshall fired again?
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Blowouts in Pittsburgh, Miami and Tennessee, and the collapse in Jacks.
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In how many of those did the offense refuse to show up?
February 15th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Ok, so the theory that a coach (like Woodson) comes here becuz it speaks well of him that he would be able to “put up with” all the garbage for two years in Oakland, then it discounts the theory that Al doesn’t let coaches implement any of their own schemes etc.
Why would it look good to a GM to hire a guy who simply spent a couple years here doing nothing but take orders from Al Davis?
February 15th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
35.BoJacks Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
32.KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Raider Defense Ranked:
00′ 17th
01′ 18th
02′ 11th
03′ 30th
10′ 11th
Why was Marshall fired again?
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Blowouts in Pittsburgh, Miami and Tennessee, and the collapse in Jacks.
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In how many of those did the offense refuse to show up?
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Anybody have stats on how Breshnahans D did against the run when he was here before?
To me, that would be a telling stat if anything he’s done in the past is.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
BoJacks Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
32.KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Raider Defense Ranked:
00′ 17th
01′ 18th
02′ 11th
03′ 30th
10′ 11th
Why was Marshall fired again?
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Blowouts in Pittsburgh, Miami and Tennessee, and the collapse in Jacks.
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In how many of those did the offense refuse to show up?
$$$$$$$$$$
Also part of the reason Coach Cable contract was not re-newed.
Jacksonville game was more of a total team loss in my opinion.
-Defense should have held a 10pt lead in the second half.
-Jacoby lost a fumble.
-still a game we should have won tho…
February 15th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
35.BoJacks Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
# Davy Jones Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
32.KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Raider Defense Ranked:
00′ 17th
01′ 18th
02′ 11th
03′ 30th
10′ 11th
Why was Marshall fired again?
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Blowouts in Pittsburgh, Miami and Tennessee, and the collapse in Jacks.
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In how many of those did the offense refuse to show up?
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Well, definitely in Pittsburgh. Anytime they had to pass to win, basically.
But the other side of that coin is the close games they lost where the offense DID show up. Jacksonville, Arizona, Houston, Indianapolis. That’s on the D as well.
Also: assignment number one in 2010 was to stop the run. That didn’t happen, or at least it didn’t happen enough.
But the D did look good at times, and the pass rush looked GREAT. I’d have had no problem retaining the guy, but for those who ask “why?”, there ARE reasons.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Comments seem to have been that no head coach, of any quality or established rep, would want to come to Oak.
Simply because head coaches job is to make the final decisions.
Asst’s don’t make final decisions, and are always at the whim of the head coach, or owner, or GM or whatever.
Assts go wherever they can get a dime more, or a job, in most cases. Turnover means nothing, nor does them coming on board mean anything.
Has any quality established head coach ever decided to come an work for Al?
don’t think so.
that, after all, is the problem, is it not?
February 15th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
assignment number one in 2010 was to stop the run. That didn’t happen, or at least it didn’t happen enough.
But the D did look good at times, and the pass rush looked GREAT. I’d have had no problem retaining the guy, but for those who ask “why?”, there ARE reasons.
$$$$$$$$$$
Thats exactly how i saw it.
defense looked better than it did in YEARS.
but they left a lot of plays out there they know it.
-D-line was the backbone. played great the whole season
-defense didnt get ints/force enough fumbles.
-linebackers struggled in coverage.
cable/marshall might have did just enough to be reatained,
but thats not good enough for mr davis.
mr davis expects greatness…
February 15th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Laker’s sign $3 Billion 20 year deal to create a T.V. network for home games like the Knicks and Yankees. Deal enables Buss family to keep Lakers and be able to pay inheritance tax if something happens to Jerry. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-Lakers-sign-a-reported-3-billion-deal-to-ha;_ylt=ArYwWlxIQJwtp8qn329d0WS8vLYF?urn=nba-321818
February 15th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
See what you missed out on by moving back to Oakland Al Davis. lmfao
February 15th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Has any quality established head coach ever decided to come an work for Al?
don’t think so.
that, after all, is the problem, is it not?
$$$$$$$$$$
does coach Art Shell part2 count?
(just kidding)
By in large you are correct.
But mr davis never believed in bringing in an established head coach.
Mr davis prefers in house promotion or go after the young up and comer offensive coordinator.
(didnt get sean payton, wisienhunt, but got gruden, shanahan, not sure callahan counts,)
February 15th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
# BoJacks Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
RAIDER SEASON TICKET HOLDERS
First payment is due on Feb 18th.
Make a statement to the NFL
WE WON’T RENEW UNTIL A DEAL IS MADE
As Raider ticket holders, as one of the faithful 22,000
WE have a voice other fans in the NFL do not have
If 5,000 of us refuse to renew, that is 25% of the base
Imagine if we get 10-11,000?
All 20,000 of us?
That is a statement that the NFL must listen to
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really?
you think the NFL is going to pay close attention to how many ticket buyers have paid up their season tickets, in Oakland, long before the season even starts?
First off, that’s a figure Al will never, as in ever, let out. And if he did, the NFL would chalk it up to even more fans being tired of Al and his antics, remembering the billboard that also called out Al, paid for by the fans.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
See what you missed out on by moving back to Oakland Al Davis. lmfao
$$$$$$$$$$
sweet deal.
i’m selfish tho.
i love the fact that the Oakland Raiders are here in Oakland.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
I wonder why the Raiders always does thing backwards?!?
February 15th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
It seems Al Davis has turned the offense over to Jackson/Saunders. Good.
But now they’ll have to drag Davis and his “staff” around on defense.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
# mack-madden Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Has any quality established head coach ever decided to come an work for Al?
don’t think so.
that, after all, is the problem, is it not?
$$$$$$$$$$
does coach Art Shell part2 count?
(just kidding)
By in large you are correct.
But mr davis never believed in bringing in an established head coach.
Mr davis prefers in house promotion or go after the young up and comer offensive coordinator.
(didnt get sean payton, wisienhunt, but got gruden, shanahan, not sure callahan counts,)
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Some would say Al does the above because of a) wants control, and knows an established head coach will not work under those conditions, b)wants to pay as little as possible c)both a&b
February 15th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Has Davis ever tried to hire any established quality head coach-don’t think so.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Has any quality established head coach ever decided to come an work for Al?
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Has Al ever offered a job to an established head coach?
February 15th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
archivetony
Some would say Al does the above because of a) wants control, and knows an established head coach will not work under those conditions, b)wants to pay as little as possible c)both a&b
$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
cant argue with that.
if that was a survey on here i guess most people would choose “C”
February 15th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Raider Defense Under Bresnahan Ranked:
00′ 17th
01′ 18th
02′ 11th
03′ 30th
10′ 11th
Why was Marshall fired again, to bring back Bresnahan?
February 15th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
LOL!
We still seem to think a lot alike Lefty.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Number 2 in Pass Defense & Sacks, and he’s fired to bring back Chuck Bresnahan? Seriously?
February 15th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
# J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Has Al ever offered a job to an established head coach?
………
Ken Whisenhunt.
The reason for Art Shell redux is because Whisenhunt said no, and Al needed to save face so he went with Art Shell and touted his previous success and record.
February 15th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
OK..Whisenhunt wasn’t “established”. Never mind. Scratch my example. I’m so hungover I’m surprised I can even read a sentence anyway. My bad.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
# J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Has Al ever offered a job to an established head coach?
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Ken Whisenhunt.
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I thought he was an asst with Pitts when he interviewed here?
February 15th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Number 2 in sacks had a lot to do with D-line Coach Waufle.
i liked marshall, would not have mind if he was retained. especially if chuck b will be our D-coord this year.
(chuck B not officially hired as D-coord, we still have hope)
loved how marshall mixed in the blitz every now and then.
in the end, certain things like the 5 safety formation destroyed mr davis confidence in what Marshall brought to the table.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
so, reading between the lines when Fearless Leader speculates that Nnamdi will take the money and run, I guess that means that perennial Pro Bowler Adrian Wilson is about the only non-prostitute in the NFL when he re-upped to a generous but less than market contract with the Cardinals as he declared “I want to be around to finish what we started here.” (Nearly got hisself a ring too.)
by the way, for any of you who wish to know how it really shakes down during the past 30 years -
The Steeler Way = 4 SB appearances, 2 rings
The Packer Way = 3 SB appearances, 2 rings
The Raider Way = 3 SB appearances, 2 rings
break it down any way you want kids no matter how much the talking heads and semi-pros wanna glorify or beleaguer things, this is the record.
differences? not worth a notation.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
And regarding Wisenhunt …
It got to the point where he left his agent here to negotiate a contract, right?
So Al didn’t want to pay him what his agent thought he could squeeze outta Al, so he passed. If Al would’ve over paid him, then he’d be here?
Frankly, I’m glad we passed on him.
Wisenhunt minus Warner has been pathetic. Borderline Tom Cable like.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Maybe Marshall’s contract wasn’t renewed because the new HC didn’t want him?
February 15th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
http://twitter.com/#!/RaidersOakland hahaha
February 15th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
so off topic but.
today i saw vida blue. he was with some other guy.
Mark Norris i think he said his name was.
(i have no clue who mr norris is.
related to chuck maybe?)
anyway, mr vida blue is a very nice man.
i got folks who say they sold coke to him back in the day.
and while talking to him i never mentioned that,
but that was all that i could think about during our conversation.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Some of you “fans” are hilarious!
I could just imagine the posts had Al brought back Marshall, lol.
Al forces Marshall on new HC? Gee what a surprise.
Wow, our new HC couldn’t even bring in his own DC?
etc, etc, etc …
LMFAO!
February 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
by the way, for any of you who wish to know how it really shakes down during the past 30 years -
The Steeler Way = 4 SB appearances, 2 rings
The Packer Way = 3 SB appearances, 2 rings
The Raider Way = 3 SB appearances, 2 rings
$$$$$$$$$$
cool stat.
is that the top three?
if so i would have thought 49ers would been up there.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
JHill,
cannot quite get a grasp on the “fans?” bioching about DC, no DC, who’s the DC? when they spend 337 days/year bioching that Al IS the de facto DC. As their minds are already certain why would they care?!?
Haterism must be an addiction, there is no other reason I can derive.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Mack-Madden,
whiners and cowgirls and ‘cheats have more rings during that period, just thought I’d allow people to see that all the glorifications of the Pitts and GBs are not anything more than the Raiders have done.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
M Lontree-
ok yea i got it now thanks.
glorification is not a strong enough word to describe it tho.
how about “over”-glorification?
February 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Well accd’g to Brandt the staff has already been assembled just not announced. ….could it really be Chuck????
February 15th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Well accd’g to Brandt the staff has already been assembled
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You have a link to that Terrapin?
February 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Terrapin,
or should write TERRAPIN!!!!!! your job is to get those Marylanders of yours, Various Wayward-Ways and BruceSoup to get their acts into championship form. Let all the other semi-pros fret over coaching alignments, your work is to instill the fire into your Turtle-brethren.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Free Agency in the NFL started in 1989 with Plan B. It marked a new way of operation for NFL teams.
In the 22 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
1 Pittsburgh 17
2 Philadelphia 15
3 Miami 14
4 Green Bay 14
5 New England 14
6 Minnesota 14
7 Indianapolis 14
8 Kansas City 13
9 Dallas 13
10 Denver 12
11 San Francisco 12
12 Tennessee 11
13 New York Giants 11
14 New York Jets 10
15 Buffalo 10
16 Tampa Bay 9
17 San Diego 9
18 Chicago 9
19 Seattle 8
20 Washington 8
21 Atlanta 8
22 New Orleans 8
23 Oakland 7
24 Detroit 6
25 St Louis 5
26 Cleveland 4
27 Arizona 3
28 Cincinnati 3
Jacksonville’s been in the NFL since 1995, 7 winning seasons
Carolina been in the NFL since 1995, 4 winning seasons
Baltimore’s been in the NFL since 1996, 8 winning seasons
Houston’s been in the NFL since 2002, 1 winning season.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
# ArchiveTony Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
# BoJacks Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
RAIDER SEASON TICKET HOLDERS
First payment is due on Feb 18th.
Make a statement to the NFL
WE WON’T RENEW UNTIL A DEAL IS MADE
As Raider ticket holders, as one of the faithful 22,000
WE have a voice other fans in the NFL do not have
If 5,000 of us refuse to renew, that is 25% of the base
Imagine if we get 10-11,000?
All 20,000 of us?
That is a statement that the NFL must listen to
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really?
you think the NFL is going to pay close attention to how many ticket buyers have paid up their season tickets, in Oakland, long before the season even starts?
First off, that’s a figure Al will never, as in ever, let out. And if he did, the NFL would chalk it up to even more fans being tired of Al and his antics, remembering the billboard that also called out Al, paid for by the fans.
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Look genius, grassroots movements don’t start large. It takes people who are willing to provide an example, then more people hop on board. You think people would be in the street in Iran & Yemen if Egypt hadn’t followed what started in tiny Tunisa?
If we make this statement, (and make sure the media doesn’t spin it as “Raider Nation revolts against Davis”) then who knows how the Niner and Charger fans react. Then it’s not just Oakland, but the entire state of CA. Then Seattle comes next and you have the entire West Coast. And so on….
Pipe dream? So what. We’ll be the ones screwed no matter what deal they make. Might as well try to think of ways to make our voice heard.
By the way, Al pretty much confirmed Jerry Mac’s 22K number during Hue’s press conference. Anyone that went to the non-marquee games this year could tell the he wasn’t that far off.
February 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
# M Lonetree Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
JHill,
cannot quite get a grasp on the “fans?” bioching about DC, no DC, who’s the DC? when they spend 337 days/year bioching that Al IS the de facto DC. As their minds are already certain why would they care?!?
Haterism must be an addiction, there is no other reason I can derive.
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That’s because you are old.
And slow.
See, pops, you actually alluded to why fans do what they do above. It’s just that at your advanced age, it appears you get lost in-between sentences.
Let me help you, old man.
Yes, fans complain all year long that Al butts in, where he shouldn’t.
Fans also want to know who’s going to be in the position, calling the shots, that Al will inevitable butt in on.
Did I lose you, pops?
Ok, try this on, see if you can follow the dots before you start napping.
Fans state all year long Al butts in with the head coach.
Yet, when the head coach position is vacant, we all still want to know who’s going to fill the spot, REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH AL BUTTS IN.
I know, I know. You probably need to take this slowly, and wait for the little light bulb to go on.
Take your time, pops. You’ve earned it.
February 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
· BoJacks Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Look genius, grassroots movements don’t start large. It takes people who are willing to provide an example, then more people hop on board. You think people would be in the street in Iran & Yemen if Egypt hadn’t followed what started in tiny Tunisa?
If we make this statement, (and make sure the media doesn’t spin it as “Raider Nation revolts against Davis”) then who knows how the Niner and Charger fans react. Then it’s not just Oakland, but the entire state of CA. Then Seattle comes next and you have the entire West Coast. And so on….
Pipe dream? So what. We’ll be the ones screwed no matter what deal they make. Might as well try to think of ways to make our voice heard.
By the way, Al pretty much confirmed Jerry Mac’s 22K number during Hue’s press conference. Anyone that went to the non-marquee games this year could tell the he wasn’t that far off.
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Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that you don’t make a “statement” unless the statement is clear.
And it’s not.
How will the NFL view the diminishing ticket sales in Oakland as anything but a continuing trend?
We led the league last few years, minimum, in most blackouts, and lowest attendance, each year getting worse. Continuing a trend, hoping the NFL, and the media, of all places, will suddenly believe it’s a statement, instead of fans continuing to send Al a message, isn’t going to happen.
Now, if a team that has sold out each and every game for quite some time, like GB, or Wash, etc, does it, while fans proclaiming why, that might raise some eyebrows.
But not for a team that leads the league in blackouts, regardless of how many media types buy it (which they won’t)
February 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Woodson: “get them to face the football hopefully a little bit more so they can be interceptions and be playmakers for this defense.”
This to me says they (Al,Hue,Chuck,& Rod) discussed playing more zone and less man-to-man. A lot of people blame our weakness against the run on our heavy use of man-to-man. I would say that only accounts for a small part of the rushing yards we give up. It should definitely increase our interception totals since it allows players to “face the football”. And yes they can help in run defense as well.
I’m a big fan of our man-to-man tradition. It allows us (Namdi) to take the other team’s top receiver out of the game plan a lot of the time. BUT you need the personnel. The problem is our other corners are weak and the opposing coach & QB simply attack the other side. I think in order for man to man to work well you need 2 shutdown corners – which we obviously don’t have. That’s why Deangelo Hall didn’t work out here, he could stand up to the unique pressure that man-to-man presents. Few can.
So with our current roster I’m in favor of more zone. More zone will make Routte & Johnson more effective. But it needs to be coached well.
Much of our breakdown in pass coverage comes when we transition from man to zone…mis-communications, missed assignments, confusion as to who takes who and when. We desperately need better coaching for the safeties and cornerbacks. If Breshnahan and Woodson can get the backfield operating like a smoothly oiled machine it will go a long ways towards a playoff run in 2011
February 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
# ArchiveTony Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
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Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that you don’t make a “statement” unless the statement is clear.
And it’s not.
How will the NFL view the diminishing ticket sales in Oakland as anything but a continuing trend?
We led the league last few years, minimum, in most blackouts, and lowest attendance, each year getting worse. Continuing a trend, hoping the NFL, and the media, of all places, will suddenly believe it’s a statement, instead of fans continuing to send Al a message, isn’t going to happen.
Now, if a team that has sold out each and every game for quite some time, like GB, or Wash, etc, does it, while fans proclaiming why, that might raise some eyebrows.
But not for a team that leads the league in blackouts, regardless of how many media types buy it (which they won’t)
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See above line about ‘and make sure the media doesn’t spin it as Raider Nation revolts against Davis’. You do this by making press releases, interviews, etc. Normal PR stuff to get a message across.
Also, it would never work in Wash and GB. People wouldn’t be willing to lose their seats with a 100 year waiting list. Plus, those teams already asked for the money in Dec & Jan. There are only a few teams left where season ticket holders haven’t had to pony up yet. Us, Seattle, San Diego, and hopefully some others.
February 15th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
# J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
And regarding Wisenhunt …
It got to the point where he left his agent here to negotiate a contract, right?
So Al didn’t want to pay him what his agent thought he could squeeze outta Al, so he passed. If Al would’ve over paid him, then he’d be here?
Frankly, I’m glad we passed on him.
Wisenhunt minus Warner has been pathetic. Borderline Tom Cable like.
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Where did you hear the above?
Not what happened.
Whiz’s agent told Al to not bother making an offer.
Some speculated Whiz didn’t want to deal with Al’s butting in (which is why Mike Martz bailed). Others speculated it was because Whiz expected to be promoted in Pitts once Cowher left, and was willing to wait.
But never read anywhere what you stated.
Curious where you got that.
February 15th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Wow, EndiveTiny, gotta say I’m impressed. where once I was discombobulated by all the goings-on in this world, it is all clear now. I couldn’t figure out how the failures and self-certitudes of every generation could translate into the failures and self-certitudes of every next generation despite the fact that with all the moanings and complainings of each one, nothing is ever really altered. That all of the staid, trite and passe beliefs of yesteryear are ever passed on, clothed however they may be, day by day to leave only the detritus and fecal matter of the contributors of the present day without a new way ever being ascertained.
Shrug, t’aint nuthin gnu ‘neath the sun son.
February 15th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Curious where you got that.
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Just the way I recalled it.
I remember the guy being here for an interview and then his agent was here after that waiting for an offer.
Pittsburgh offensive coordinator, Ken Whisenhunt, flew into Oakland on Wednesday and conducted an interview with Oakland officials that spanned over two days. Reportedly, his Wednesday night and Thursday morning conferences with Al Davis went very well. However, just as Davis held off until after the Super Bowl to find his head coach, he held off on presenting an immediate proposal to Whisenhunt.
As it turns out, Davis’ waiting games failed him once more. Whisenhunt’s agent, Eric Metz, had waited into Thursday in anticipation of any possible offers from the Oakland front office. However, no offers were made and Whisenhunt flew back home to Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh is where he will remain-at least for one more season.
http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/raiders/2349
February 15th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
No link. Someone here posted Brandts comments he made on Sirius radio …saying Raiders already have their staff in place and its a pretty good staff.
No proof by way of linkages
February 15th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Someone here posted Brandts comments he made on Sirius radio
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Oh, ok.
I was looking around for the comments and couldn’t find anything.
February 15th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Curious minds want to know who will be the DC. At the same time its important to note that he can only be as good as his supporting staff. Its turning out to be a pretty good staff – an intriguing one at least.
Season tickets sells should increase. I don’t live in the Bay Area but to be sure, Cable really didn’t inspire me to run out and want to buy tickets. Hue on the other hand? …Now we got something going.
The only thing that can derail this in my mind is a lockout and players coming back out of shape and ill prepared for the upcoming season.
February 15th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Jerry Porter resurfaces in Canada
Posted by Mike Florio on February 15, 2011, 9:24 PM EST
Former NFL receiver Jerry Porter, a one-time jack-of-all-trades at West Virginia University, has returned to football after two years out of the game.
He’ll be joining the Montreal Alouettes of the CFL, according to Newstalk Radio CJAD.
After eight seasons with the Raiders, Porter spent one year in Jacksonville. Signing a big-money deal before being cut after a single season with the Jaguars.
In those nine NFL season, Porter never had a single 1,000-yard season.
February 15th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Wow, EndiveTiny, gotta say I’m impressed. where once I was discombobulated by all the goings-on in this world, it is all clear now. I couldn’t figure out how the failures and self-certitudes of every generation could translate into the failures and self-certitudes of every next generation despite the fact that with all the moanings and complainings of each one, nothing is ever really altered.
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No harm in being confused. No shame in you admitting it.
Consider it a Community Service for yours truly.
Feel free to tap the resources.
February 15th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
laughable.
jerry porter ..long forgotten
that guy had one huge ego …didn’t freddie b flat out told him he’s no ’stud’.
he’s a good number 3 or 4 but he’s not elite starter like his ego would like to believe.
February 15th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
# J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Curious where you got that.
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Just the way I recalled it.
I remember the guy being here for an interview and then his agent was here after that waiting for an offer.
Pittsburgh offensive coordinator, Ken Whisenhunt, flew into Oakland on Wednesday and conducted an interview with Oakland officials that spanned over two days. Reportedly, his Wednesday night and Thursday morning conferences with Al Davis went very well. However, just as Davis held off until after the Super Bowl to find his head coach, he held off on presenting an immediate proposal to Whisenhunt.
As it turns out, Davis’ waiting games failed him once more. Whisenhunt’s agent, Eric Metz, had waited into Thursday in anticipation of any possible offers from the Oakland front office. However, no offers were made and Whisenhunt flew back home to Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh is where he will remain-at least for one more season.
http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/raiders/2349
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Ya, lots of opinions, and conflicting reports, depending on who you read.
Wiki reporters states:Arizona Cardinals
(On January 14, 2007 the Arizona Cardinals hired Whisenhunt as their new head coach, with a contract to receive an average of $2.5 million annually. Whisenhunt had also interviewed for the head coaching position with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Atlanta Falcons and Miami Dolphins. He was previously interviewed to be the head coach of the Oakland Raiders in February 2006, but he pulled out of talks before an offer could be made).
Whole slew of assumptions.
Who knows where the truth lays?
February 15th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Just when you think you’ve heard it all.
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/02/donald_rumsfeld_raiders.php
February 15th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
http://www.cjad.com/blog/AlouettesNews/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10205712
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Last good receiver we ever had. I guess Jacoby has a chance.
February 15th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
If the low attendance in Oakland is indication of the fans sending Al a “message” then they won’t be upset if Al sends a message back by moving his team…again.
Al entreating the faithful to “help us out” doesn’t tell me he has any legitimate options other than staying.
February 15th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Woodson: “get them to face the football hopefully a little bit more so they can be interceptions and be playmakers for this defense.”
This to me says they (Al,Hue,Chuck,& Rod) discussed playing more zone and less man-to-man. A lot of people blame our weakness against the run on our heavy use of man-to-man. I would say that only accounts for a small part of the rushing yards we give up. It should definitely increase our interception totals since it allows players to “face the football”. And yes they can help in run defense as well.
I’m a big fan of our man-to-man tradition. It allows us (Namdi) to take the other team’s top receiver out of the game plan a lot of the time. BUT you need the personnel. The problem is our other corners are weak and the opposing coach & QB simply attack the other side. I think in order for man to man to work well you need 2 shutdown corners – which we obviously don’t have. That’s why Deangelo Hall didn’t work out here, he could stand up to the unique pressure that man-to-man presents. Few can.
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Amen. IMO Al Davis grossly overestimates the talent of the personnel on D. He wants a dominant man to man D, and as alluded to above,the defense can’t work effectively…consistently without personnel who are in fact dominant.
Sans the aforementioned “dominant” personnel, the D is better served by going with zone and other sundry schemes to be effective and maybe, just maybe be able to FINALLY stop the run.
February 15th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
If the low attendance in Oakland is indication of the fans sending Al a “message” then they won’t be upset if Al sends a message back by moving his team…again.
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He moved when there was a waiting list for season tickets.
February 15th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Karma.
February 15th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
KK-93-one of the main,of many,reasons I don’t like the man.The team has a better chance of moving when Davis is no longer in control.He has burned too many bridges-nobody wants to deal with him or trusts him.
February 15th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
All hail Al Davis… Long live King Al!
February 15th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Al Davis: hererra, get in here you cockroach. whats this rumor going around I want to move the Raidahs to LA?
Hererra: Not sure sir, this is the first I ………..
Al Davis: Shut up you sack of potatoes. You get out there right now and tell the press I need fans in the seats, you hear me dirt bag, I need the fans to come back.
Hererra: Yes sir, I’ll go do that right now, I’ll call for…….
Al Davis: Thats enough outta you jackass. You do as I say or you’ll be out there in the parking lot pickin up trash, you hearin me?
Hererra: Well sir, I’ll do as you say, but if we need more fans, why don’t you take that up with ticket sales?
Al Davis: Listen up numb nuts, ticket sales got there head wrong. Where the hell have you been? 22,000 seats and I got to pay your salary? Where the hell am I going to get the money to pay for all the players i’m bringin in? I’m planning big things here, I gotta save the nfl, I got to get the Raidahs back to greatness, I’ve got draft day comin up, got to get me a bona fide DC who me and him see eye to eye on how I run my defense, gotta mow my yard. Now get along and do as your told, or you’ll be sellin beer in the stands.
February 16th, 2011 at 2:33 am
[...] taking shape without a DC (Oakland Tribune) So the Raiders are apparently deep into discussing defensive philosophy and options, and currently [...]
February 16th, 2011 at 4:28 am
Lionel Washington was the one guy who could have reeled in Winston Moss as Defensive Coordinator.
they played for the L.A. Raiders together from 1991-1994 and served as asst coaches on the Packers staff together from 2006-2008.
Now Lionel is toast and Chuck B is DC.
Yippee!
February 16th, 2011 at 4:36 am
Jerry Porter resurfaces in Canada
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JP only had 20 catches over his first 2 seasons for 226 yards and 0 TD’s
started 1 game
his 3rd season = 14 starts, 51 catches for 688 yards & 9 TD’s!
is there hope for DHB after all?
nah. Louis Murphy & Jacoby Ford aren’t Jerry Rice & Tim Brown. Jason Campbell isn’t Rich Gannon either
February 16th, 2011 at 4:43 am
just read something on twitter that said “Hue Jackson Has Already Changed The Culture In Raiderland”
LOL!
before we sign or re-sign a single player?
before the coaching staff is even complete?
before the draft?
before preseason or regular season?
wow. Hue’s agent must have ties to southwest connection memorabilia.
February 16th, 2011 at 4:48 am
@raiderfans just tweeted “Ronaldo anounces retirement from football” and I started thinking OH CRAP!
the source is Raider fans and Hue called ROMAC “Ronaldo” in the press conf, but I guess they were talking about some wimpy soccer player instead. whoops
February 16th, 2011 at 4:51 am
Dear JFB,
I got you this for Valentine’s Day!
Bruce Gradkowski “shoulders feeling fine”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87DhOfz213A
XoXo,
RRS
February 16th, 2011 at 5:19 am
Thanks!!!
Campbell would have checked down to the guy and asked him to lay it in.
February 16th, 2011 at 5:20 am
I prefer this video clip, because it reminds of the days when we were going steady.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-rBLGjx1LM&feature=related
February 16th, 2011 at 5:44 am
BoJacks Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
# SuicideRaider Says:
February 15th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Really sick of hearing all the crap about Condo. I don’t recall him ever making a bad snap but I do recall about 75% of the time him being involved in punt coverage tackles. Let it go! I think there are more important positions to be concerned with than a player who earns his paycheck and is consistent.
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No one notices a good snap, but EVERYONE notices the bad ones
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AMEN!!
Bo Schembechler Jackson = Bagga-La-Doucha
This is someone who lost a boyfriend to a long-snapper and is jealous that Condo makes more than he does flippin burgers at the Golden Arches… Give it up with the brainless, worthless comments… Find a constructive topic!
February 16th, 2011 at 5:58 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Still nothing really new, except for a new thread saying the same things…oh well…
Have coffee on me, AM Crew!!!
Gabby, grab the boys a round!
February 16th, 2011 at 6:10 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.HWNRDR.I AM GOING 2 PULL THE PLUG ON MY SSN-TIX HWNRDR.NOT AN EASY DECISION,JUST 2 MANY FACTORS RITE NOW.WILL TRY AND MAKE 2 OR THREE DIVISION GAMES BUT THATS IT.
February 16th, 2011 at 6:14 am
Just read up…Al Davis burnt all of his bridges and no one trusts him anymore? Really?
February 16th, 2011 at 6:16 am
I hear ya Dirt Lot! I guess I have til Friday to call my agent! I may stick it out one more year but we’ll see! Someone posted on here last night that we should send the NFL a message…that we shold not make a payment until the CBA has been reached…and I agree 100%
February 16th, 2011 at 6:16 am
KoolKell,
I hear ya Boss…Your the man love the stat on winning seasons since 1989!!!
February 16th, 2011 at 6:26 am
If I were you guys, I wouldn’t give any team a single penny until you know there is going to be football in 2011.
February 16th, 2011 at 6:29 am
Good mornin Nation!!!
Man dirt lot hate to lose another faithful but u gotta do what u got to
I think I’m gonna return for my 15th season
won’t pay them on time tho. Gotta no more bout this CBA first
February 16th, 2011 at 6:30 am
Exactly, JFB! My agent left me a message saying that she’s not doing anything until she knows what my plans are…this Friday makinga payment? Huh?
February 16th, 2011 at 6:33 am
mornin nation,
you guys are going to abandon ship just as we have spotted land? gosh… some pundits have predicted sell outs for near about every game..
February 16th, 2011 at 6:34 am
FYI there gonna hold your seat til the regular season of you tell them too
that counts as a sale til they actually release them
last yr I did finish paying til a week b fore pre season started
don’t trip they can’t afford to lose any of us…it’s not like they have a waiting list
February 16th, 2011 at 6:37 am
I know…last year I paid half in like June and the other half , yup…right before preseason! So, yeah…not paying this Friday!
February 16th, 2011 at 6:37 am
the jets and pats are coming to town, and one of those games has to be a monday nighter the other is probably a late sunday game.. national tv and a full house in oakland, doesn’t get any better than that..it’s a great day to be a raiders fan…no?
February 16th, 2011 at 6:38 am
I LOVE THE GAME AND THE TEAM.GETTING OLD I GUESS.
February 16th, 2011 at 6:41 am
I might send. Fifty bucks lol to secure my three seats. Then lll pony up after there a new
CBA
February 16th, 2011 at 6:41 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 16th, 2011 at 6:38 am
I LOVE THE GAME AND THE TEAM.GETTING OLD I GUESS.
YUP! Seen improvement last year enough to justify my renewal (if there is a season), but we’ll see! Wished I lived closer to the stadium though…getting up earlier than the birds on Sunday mornings is taking its toll…slowly!
February 16th, 2011 at 6:52 am
I HEAR U HWNRDR,1HR-20 MINS EA. WAY 4 ME AND MY CREW.GETTING THERE 8 AM. LONGER ON WAY HOME W/TRAFFIC.SOUND LIKE A CRY BABY NOW I GUESS BUT…
February 16th, 2011 at 6:57 am
So if we franchise Seymour he gets 120% of the DE franchise number (currently 12.398 million) which would put Seymours contract at $14,877,600 for 1 season. The problem with this is the guy played exclusively at DT last year. The franchise # for a DT is only $7,000,000. Theres an issue with this picture if you ask me
February 16th, 2011 at 6:57 am
Hey…we’re not young anymore! Coffee please!
February 16th, 2011 at 6:58 am
hwnrdr, how far do you come?
February 16th, 2011 at 6:59 am
dlf, have no fear bro, weare all getting older lol but i hope that means wiser…
February 16th, 2011 at 7:04 am
They don’t decipher between DT and DE’s, just like they don’t for OG and OT.
Logan Mankins is getting the top 5 or whatever for all O-lineman, not just guards.
February 16th, 2011 at 7:05 am
To go back to JFB’s point about a QB driven league just look at the franchise #s for each position –
QB – $16,405,000
DE – $12,398,000 (kill the qb)
OL – (includes T, G, C) – $10,731,000 (protect the qb)
CB – $9,566,000 (take away the QBs target)
WR – $9,521,000 (the qbs target)
Those are the top 5 salaried positions in the NFL…
February 16th, 2011 at 7:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2011 at 7:04 am
They don’t decipher between DT and DE’s, just like they don’t for OG and OT.
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Yes they do. The tag for DE is 12.3 mill, the tag for DT is 7.0 mill.
Remember a few years back where the Raven (cant remember who it was) held out because he was franchised as a DT when he played more than 50% of the snaps at DE
February 16th, 2011 at 7:11 am
i am not complaining, my regular game day i leave home at eight and get back home after ten unless i am on the grill.. if so it is three in the morning!! three hours each way.. this year will be the first in soo many that i will see good football games.. all the other years were based on false hope,, i don’t think that is the case this year,,so i am looking forward to doing it!! go RRAAAIIIIIDERRSSSS!!!!!!
only thing, i hope we have a season!!!! lol
February 16th, 2011 at 7:16 am
r8rwill Says:
February 16th, 2011 at 6:58 am
hwnrdr, how far do you come?
About an hour out, and I’m not complaining at all…its just that Saturday’s are family days and sometimes my kids and I tens to stay up a bit late…waking up early the next day, sometimes is hard!
February 16th, 2011 at 7:17 am
–”Why was Marshall fired again?”–
Well, first let me say I’m not a big fan of Chuck, but looking at his first 3 seasons as DC when we won 3 division titles and then at Marshall’s 2 seasons on the job, these numbers come up:
BRESNAHAN PPG ALLOWED AVERAGE 2000-2002—–19.3
MARSHALL PPG ALLOWED AVERAGE 2009-2010—–23.4
Marshall’s defense appeared improved last season, but the fact is in 2009 we scored 12 ppg and allowed 23.
Then Hue took over the offense in 2010 and we doubled scoring to the tune of 25 ppg, while the defense again allowed 23 pg.
If Bresnahan does get the job, let’s hope he can make this defense a little tougher to score on.
February 16th, 2011 at 7:17 am
Yeah me too
I live in Oakley,ca so it’s about 40min to the stadium
I tailgate an things. But we don’t leave the house til 10:30am
get there bout 11:15 cook eat an walking in stadium round 12:50 or so
I’m home by 4:30-5pm. In time to kick back an watch sun nite football
I’m forty yrs old. Is that “getting old” fellas?
February 16th, 2011 at 7:24 am
R8dercain…where in Oakley do you live? I live down the road from Panchos Market…and no, 40 is not (too) old…I’m 41…getting up at 6AM or before (depending on what I have to do that morning) is getting harder when you sleep after midninght at times!
February 16th, 2011 at 7:26 am
I feel like such a youngin’. LOL. I am a month shy of my 30th birthday. LOL
February 16th, 2011 at 7:33 am
Why isn’t this guy coming in for a work out? http://twitter.com/QBComa92
February 16th, 2011 at 7:35 am
bcz24 Says:
February 16th, 2011 at 7:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2011 at 7:04 am
They don’t decipher between DT and DE’s, just like they don’t for OG and OT.
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Yes they do. The tag for DE is 12.3 mill, the tag for DT is 7.0 mill.
Remember a few years back where the Raven (cant remember who it was) held out because he was franchised as a DT when he played more than 50% of the snaps at DE
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I think that was Suggs and it was LB vs. DE salary tag.
February 16th, 2011 at 7:36 am
you guys are all spring chickens lol
February 16th, 2011 at 7:38 am
I think that was Suggs and it was LB vs. DE salary tag.
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Could be, either way DE is higher, and not rolled together with DT
February 16th, 2011 at 7:41 am
hwnrdr whats up with you pimpin poker sites on twitter?
February 16th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Ok Will…you win! LOL
February 16th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Bcz24…that’s my side business! Everyone needs side money these days…lol
February 16th, 2011 at 7:43 am
I turn 35 in about 3 months.
Damn….When my mom was 35 I thought she was ancient.
February 16th, 2011 at 7:46 am
BCZ,
I heard otherwise on the DT/DE issue.
I am pretty sure that they just look at it as D-lineman and O-lineman. Hence Logan Mankins getting top 5 O-lineman money, and not G money (which would be waaaaaaay less)
February 16th, 2011 at 7:46 am
I actually have a Raider Twitter account, but I forgot my password to that one…so…
February 16th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Quarterback – $16,405,000
Offensive Linemen (includes Offensive Tackle, Offensive Guard, Center) – $10,731,000
Wide Receiver $9,521,000
Running Back (includes all Fullbacks and Halfbacks) $8,156,000
Tight end $5,908,000
Defensive End $12,398,000
Defensive Tackle $7,003,000
Linebacker $9,680,000
Cornerback $9,566,000
Safety $6,455,000
Kicker or Punter $2,814,000
Those are the 2011 Franchise tag #s. They don’t lump the dline together like the oline.
February 16th, 2011 at 8:12 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag
February 16th, 2011 at 8:12 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 16th, 2011 at 7:24 am
R8dercain…where in Oakley do you live? I live down the road from Panchos Market…and no, 40 is not (too) old…I’m 41…getting up at 6AM or before (depending on what I have to do that morning) is getting harder when you sleep after midninght at times!
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I’m over by luckys an seven eleven
February 16th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Funny, I used to live across from Lucky’s and 7-11 in Oakley Ranch!
February 16th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 16th, 2011 at 7:24 am
R8dercain…where in Oakley do you live? I live down the road from Panchos Market…and no, 40 is not (too) old…I’m 41…getting up at 6AM or before (depending on what I have to do that morning) is getting harder when you sleep after midninght at times!
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Reminds me of a Coach we have….1000 push ups + 1000 sit ups every night since High School! Lol
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