Could Raiders gamble with RFA tenders?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, February 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Tennessee Titans are planning to issue restricted free agent tenders to four- and five-year players whose contracts have expired before the end of the league year on Friday, according to the Tennessean.
It’s a tact the Raiders could choose with tight end Zach Miller and running back Michael Bush, the most notable players who fall into that category for Oakland.
It doesn’t appear as if Miller was not going to be franchised, despite speculation to the contrary. According to one source, the plan was to keep Kamerion Wimbley through a buyback and franchise Stanford Routt if an agreement on a longterm deal was reached.
When Routt was signed to a three-year extension with $20 million guaranteed and $31.5 million overall, the Raiders instead used the tag on Wimbley when the buyback originally put in the contract by the Cleveland Browns was disallowed for violating the 30 percent rule.
There are no assurances RFA tenders will hold up in a new collective bargaining agreement. If unrestricted free agency is set at four years in a new CBA and Miller and/or Bush are not under contract, they would be on the open market.
The Carolina Panthers franchised center Ryan Kalil , a four-year veteran at a cost of $10 million.
By contrast, a first- and third-round tender last year cost a team just $3.268 million.
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February 27th, 2011 at 11:02 am
The way I see it, why not? If they’re not valid under the new CBA, then work out a new deal. If they are, then you’ve locked up solid young players for another year.
February 27th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Jfb,
adversity is being down 24-3 to to the defending sec & national champion crimson tide in Tuscaloosa. One of the greatest games I have ever seen a college qb play, all guts & mind boggeling talent.
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That was a great collegiate moment.
The issue is how he did it. Lots of running, converting every 3rd and 3 by just taking a shotgun snap and plowing into the line, rinkie-dink pass plays and the like.
That just doesn’t translate to the way the game is played in the NFL.
Same issues with Tebow, VY, Cam and also Kapernick. The way they have experienced success will not work in the NFL, and that’s why guys who stand in the pocket like Stafford, Sanchez, Bradford and hell even Jamarcus go much earlier in the draft.
Cam has all the talent in the world, but now he has to find a way for it to work in the NFL, and it is a big transition in the way he is accustomed to playing.
I don’t understand why you can’t wrap your head around this.
February 27th, 2011 at 11:24 am
this might get negotiations to agree even sooner, lock’em up
the current players now want the $$$ saved on a rookie salary cap to go to them, even though they already benefit from the non-rookie cap their 1st 4-5 years, now they want these dollars to
they are trying eat their cake twice
February 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Jfb,
I agree with noted expert, & former 10 year NFL vet qb Gary danielson, ” newton as a passer is the best prospect to come out of the sec in years, far better than Russell, just a notch below stafford”.
Unlike you I don’t get so wrapped up in his running ability that I can’t see his atributed as a passer. He made every throw in college, far more than just bubble screens. He also won a few games with his arm, not his running.
I know you don’t like it, but cam is as solid as they come throwing the ball, & tim teabag can’t even be mentioned in the same sentence with cam.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Even if 4-year players are now UFA’s, we’ll still keep Miller and (probably) Bush.
Al will just open his wallet.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
It’s not about Newton’s physical skills.
The game is much different at the NFL level. The defenses he’s going to be facing are different. The offense he’s going to be playing in will be much different. The game is faster. Every individual athlete is better. He won’t be taking every single one of his snaps from shotgun.
The questions with him are the same ones that Mallett faces. Sure they both have all the physical tools in the world. But can they read NFL defenses? Can they learn an NFL offense? Can they make the right decisions while standing in the pocket with pressure closing in? Will they be able to focus on the right things, and how will they react to being tutored by NFL coaches?
February 27th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Jfb,
I agree with noted expert, & former 10 year NFL vet qb Gary danielson, ” newton as a passer is the best prospect to come out of the sec in years, far better than Russell, just a notch below stafford”.
Unlike you I don’t get so wrapped up in his running ability that I can’t see his atributed as a passer. He made every throw in college, far more than just bubble screens. He also won a few games with his arm, not his running.
I know you don’t like it, but cam is as solid as they come throwing the ball, & tim teabag can’t even be mentioned in the same sentence with cam.
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Mistic, what the hell do you know about QBs. Your take on Gannon displays your lack of football knowledge. You are a grade-A moron and a sycophant.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
I hope the Social Network doesn’t win tonight. It was a good movie, but not Oscar worthy. I think The Fighter is going to win all the awards.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
I wish the Raiders showed more respect for their great players of the past, like Rich Gannon and Marcus Allen.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
I haven’t seen The Fighter and don’t know how good it is. I’ve heard people say it’s the best movie they’ve ever seen, and I’ve heard others say it’s a rehash of the same old cliched boxing flick. I’m thinking they might throw a couple of awards to its way, but not give it movie of the year. Those Oscar types are real Hollywood types, who like movies more focused on dialogue, characters, ironic plot lines, etc. Therefore I think they’d avoid giving the Best Picture award to a “feel good” sports movie like The Fighter, because it would only ensure more films like it in the coming year, which is something they don’t want. I’ll tell you what, though. If it does win, I’m first in line for a DVD. I’ll be convinced it was good, and that its critics are just bitter and don’t get the point, if the Academy gives it film of the year.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
MR, I agree. Gannon is the second greatest Raider QB of all time. If Gruden and Gannon were part of those 70s and early 80s teams, the Raiders would have won more Super Bowls than the Steelers.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
A.b
please, your kidding right. You told me jc was terrible & grads would beat him out. How can anyone that thought grads was a good qb should never question my take on qbs’.
Your boy won’t even be in the NFL next year, but your calling me a moron?
Score board loser!
February 27th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
the fighter is not a boxing movie its about two kids building a f-16 in their basement!
February 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
MR, Christian Bale is excellent, and should win for supporting actor. I didn’t think it was a rehash of boxing films. Yeah, it had a happy ending, but it was more unique than most sports movies. I think it may have been the best boxing movie ever.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
A.B,
Gannon didn’t win the super bowl, how can he be greater than snake & plunk?!?!?
Stop drinking & posting
February 27th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
A.b
please, your kidding right. You told me jc was terrible & grads would beat him out. How can anyone that thought grads was a good qb should never question my take on qbs’.
Your boy won’t even be in the NFL next year, but your calling me a moron?
Score board loser!
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Mistic, you have me confused with some one else, dipsh*t. You are probably thinking of that other fool Aig.
February 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
testing
February 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
I just posted a comment about the immaculate reception, and it wouldn’t post. ???
February 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Mistic, the only reason Gannon lost was because the other team’s coach built the Raider’s offense. I thought even a moron like you could figure that out.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Anyhow, I’ll try again.
I don’t know about Gruden and Gannon making the ’70s Raiders better…after all, don’t forget who the Raiders’ all time leading passer is.
But I do know this, and Phil Villapiano has said as much. If Tatum just knocks the ball down instead of trying to take Frenchy F’s head off, the Raiders have at least one additional SB trophy. Maybe that overly aggressive play hurt them more than it helped them, and I think they were certainly good enough to win without it.
(just figured it out. auto-moderation won’t let you say Frenchy F’s last name. LOL. Does censorship really help or hurt us?)
February 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Mistic probably thinks The Last Airbender is going to win the Oscar for best picture.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Oregon State’s Paea breaks Combine bench press record
Posted by Evan Silva on February 27, 2011, 4:01 PM EST
Oregon State defensive tackle Stephen Paea is unable to run or perform on-field drills due to arthroscopic knee surgery underwent in January. So he had one, solitary focus entering the 2011 Scouting Combine:
Bench press 225 pounds as many times as possible.
Paea more than aced the test, breaking the Combine record with 49 reps of 225. The previous mark was shared by current Giants guard Mitch Petrus, and NFL washouts Leif Larsen and Mike Kudla.
Unlike Larsen and Kudla — who had 45 reps of 225 — Paea can play. He twice won the Morris Trophy as the Pac-10′s top defensive lineman, piling up 29.5 career tackles for loss and 14 sacks despite facing constant double teams.
NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock is particularly high on Paea, projecting him as a potential late first-round pick even despite the knee surgery.
Said Mayock of Paea, “His strength in the weight room translates to the football field.”
February 27th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Like I said, A.B., I’m seeing people say that The Fighter is the best movie they’ve ever seen, and seeing people say it’s a rehash of something that’s already been done a thousand times before. I’ll have to see it for myself. I don’t always trust the Academy, but I trust them with sports movies. I’m certainly not going to sprint to the theater and see The Fighter because Sports Illustrated says it’s good. That would be like assuming Justin Bieber’s movie’s good because Teen Beat says so. Same bias.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
The King’s Speech could win all the awards too. I haven’t seen it yet.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
A.B ,
are you saying you never made the claim that grad was better?
On Gannon it’s not just the super bowl loss ( the single worse performance in super bowl history ) that I’m judging him by. It is also the other 3 years when we had the best team & Gannon couldn’t win.
Your excuses for gannons flops are as pathetic as you are
February 27th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
If it were up to me, Machete would win.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
I’m hoping someone makes a movie about Al Davis someday. I envision Al Pacino playing the older Davis.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
rmr since you are a b paine III why are you arguing with yourself ,and how is everything at the bates motel? hows your mom?
February 27th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Phatcable, I have multiple personalities. It gets confusing sometimes.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
It’s hard to say if Jim Plunkett would have two Super Bowl victories, or if Stabler had one, if either of them were stuck with Anthony Dorsett Jr. playing free safety, as opposed to Jack Tatum and Van McElroy, respectively.
Hard to say if Stabler and co. would have rolled over the Vikes in SB 11 if Al Davis had traded Madden to the Vikings a year earlier.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I haven’t seen Machete. My favorite movie of the year was Harry Potter.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
MR, the one thing I do know for sure is that Super Bowl loss was all on Davis for trading away the coach who built the team.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Hard to say how Stabler and Plunkett would have regrouped their team’s if Dave Dalby had just disappeared before game time in SB 11, 15, or 18.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
kicka$$ was movie of the year!!!
February 27th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
kicka$$ II the story of the 2011 raiders and al davis!
February 27th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
(this is true) Kick Ass 2 is going to be called Kick Ass: Balls to the Wall
February 27th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
I like Machete because it’s an action movie that touches on a political issue, AND is set in the here and now. So sick of period pieces. I don’t know why Hollywood’s so obsessed with events hundreds, and sometimes even thousands of years ago when there’s so much going on now.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
there is a movie where al davis loses vision for the team and hires gruden and kiffin , its called the blind side.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Phatcable, you should be a stand up comedian. You are hilarious.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
We are living in a pivotal time in world history, possibly witnessing the beginning of the end of the American Empire, and Hollywood seems to be focused on pretending it’s not happening, as opposed to capturing it. I think that’s sad. Good to know a lot of independent film makers, here in America and abroad, are capturing it. I just hope their work is somehow preserved for future generations to view it and get a cinematic portrayal of this time, because they’re not going to get it watching most mainstream Hollywood movies of this era. They’d just be wasting their time trying to look for even subtle hints.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 26th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Rich Gannon has the most pass completions in Raiders’ franchise history.
Gannon has the most passing yards in any single season; 4,689 passing yards in 2002.
Gannon is the second all time passer in Raiders’ history, with 17,585 yards, only second to Ken Stabler.
I would put Jim Plunkett above Rich Gannon for his two Super Bowl victories, but on any given Sunday, Gannon was a better bet than Plunkett. The numbers don’t lie.
Gannon is the 3rd best Raider quarterback in franchise history, for all intents and purposes, when you round it all up.
He is easily the best QB to wear the silver and black since Jim Plunkett, and is arguably the Raiders’ most valuable player since Bo Jackson.
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Amen. But Al az liccing apologists Mystic1 and Priesttj are loathe to give anybody outside their fallen mythical hero credit for the early 2000’s. You guys are fugin pathetic. Gannon singlehandedly whipped that offense into shape, instilled discipline, and willed that team into elite status. There hasn’t been anything close to that much-needed type of leadership since he and Gruden left. Grow up.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
As for what did Gannon accomplish, my Al liccing acolytes? How about the American Dream? A stunning late career resurrection against all odds in a league where QB longevity is the exception and not the rule? How about a guy who won by not tolerating the lax atmosphere Davis let rot the culture of the franchise? A guy who retired with all his faculties and transitioned into a lucrative announcer gig?
A guy who lived long enough to support his family and who’s not afraid to courageously speak his mind about the rotting culture of this franchise?
No, the question is, why does your pathetic false sense of loyalty to that old coot (unrequited no doubt, unless you’re both ringers) boost your sense of self worth? And, while you’re at, why don’t you tell everybody what you’ve accomplished?
February 27th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Same issues with Tebow, VY, Cam and also Kapernick. The way they have experienced success will not work in the NFL, and that’s why guys who stand in the pocket like Stafford, Sanchez, Bradford and hell even Jamarcus go much earlier in the draft.
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VY was drafted #3 overall. He’s been to the Pro Bowl, been named ROY and is 30-17 as a starter. He’s a little out there, but the guy can play. The jury is out on Tebow. Don’t know a thing about Kapernick. Everything depends on where these guys go; the quality and stability of the coaching staff and supporting cast. That’s what determines whether or not 1st round QBs are successful.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
ohioraider Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
As for what did Gannon accomplish, my Al liccing acolytes? How about the American Dream? A stunning late career resurrection against all odds in a league where QB longevity is the exception and not the rule? How about a guy who won by not tolerating the lax atmosphere Davis let rot the culture of the franchise?
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OhioRaider:
Just read this on the last thread/
Your statement is an apt description of what Gannon achieved. That last quoted sentence also encapsulates exactly what is wrong with this franchise.
Sorry Al, but it’s all true and you’re past it.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
picture vince young without chris johnson and you would be screaming for jamilkus russell too come back.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Al’s most cringe worthy hypocrisy is that he’s a “players’ owner”. Really? Seems Gannon and Marcus Allen had different stories. And, again, they weren’t scrubs. Good day to all of you. BTW, I will not be watching the Oscars.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Also…don’t forget that Davis threw Stabler under the bus, too. Players’ owner. LOL. Later, guys.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
al davis will be at the oscars for best overhead projector rant.
February 27th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
9.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
I wish the Raiders showed more respect for their great players of the past, like Rich Gannon and Marcus Allen.
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Gannon was a carrer wash out tell he fell into the hands of Gruden. A “system QB” with a HOF supporting cast, and a GREAT owner/GM.
Gannon was NEVER a GREAT player, he was a GREAT FIT!
February 27th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Jerry:
Why in the world are Miller and Wimbley secondary to Routt in Al’s head?
Why would you first seek to franchise Routt over Miller?
February 27th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
al davis too recieve lifetime achievment award!
February 27th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Gannon = worst SB QB ever!
February 27th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
52.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Gannon = worst SB QB ever!
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Were you watching when Al’s favorite QB Russell was here? Did you EVER see Ryan Leaf?!
We had Russell, and you’re saying that Gannon was the worst QB ever?!
February 27th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Phatcable Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
picture vince young without chris johnson and you would be screaming for jamilkus russell too come back.
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I’ve got the picture already. He was ROY. And why did the Titans go 0-6 in 2009 without him, and 8-2 with him? Chris Johnson played all year. By the way, I’ve been screaming for JR to come back for a year now. I’d love to see him with a coach who has a clue about offense after two years with the retard!
February 27th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Gannon was a carrer wash out tell he fell into the hands of Gruden. A “system QB” with a HOF supporting cast, and a GREAT owner/GM.
Gannon was NEVER a GREAT player, he was a GREAT FIT!
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Very accurate assessment!
February 27th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
LAKERS, a great team…
February 27th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
vince young 57.9 pass rating and avg.8 fumbles per year
February 27th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis’ release is imminent — likely tomorrow, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Despite another injury-plagued season, Portis still considers himself an elite running back. “I know I got good football left in me,” Portis told reporters on Wednesday.
February 27th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
53.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
52.The Dirtee Raccoon Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Gannon = worst SB QB ever!
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Were you watching when Al’s favorite QB Russell was here? Did you EVER see Ryan Leaf?!
We had Russell, and you’re saying that Gannon was the worst QB ever?!
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No England, worst SUPERBOWL QB ever.
He was a great reg season system QB.
February 27th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
58.phatcable Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis’ release is imminent — likely tomorrow, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Despite another injury-plagued season, Portis still considers himself an elite running back. “I know I got good football left in me,” Portis told reporters on Wednesday.
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Shanarat got it out for this dude.
February 27th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
It’s true Gannon is the worst super bowl qb in the history of the NFL! Sone people only champion Gannon because he is a Davis hater just like half of these imposter fans. His fruitless four years don’t make him great. hIs epic super Sunday implosion puts him miles behind Tony eason & Steve grogan!
Gannon is a joke with a bloated idea of his own legacy. 5 int 2 pick 6, and consecutive play off wash outs. Period end of story.
He couldn’t stand in snake / plunks shoes with a kick stand!
February 27th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
INDIANAPOLIS — Oregon State DT Stephen Paea broke the NFL Scouting Combine’s 225-pound bench-press record Sunday with a stunning 49 repetitions.
Paea, who told reporters he notched 48 reps Monday, broke the previous mark of 45, set in 2000 by Texas-El Paso’s Leif Larsen, which was tied in 2006 by Ohio State DE Mike Kudla, then again at last year’s combine by Arkansas guard Mitch Petrus.
“I’ve been blessed the last couple months to prepare for this event,” Paea said about 45 minutes after the lift. The 6-foot-1, 303-pounder later added: “I think I could go back and do another one.”
Paea, who can bench a max of 550 pounds, according to his bio, expressed pride in the coaches and trainers who prepared him.
Paea has an interesting back story. He grew up playing rugby in Tonga and didn’t pick up football until moving to the United States at 16. He played high school football in Provo, Utah, then attended Snow Junior College in nearby Ephraim for one year before landing at Oregon State.
Paea, rated as Mike Mayock’s No. 5 defensive tackle, was invited to the Senior Bowl last month, but he couldn’t participate while recovering from a damaged lateral meniscus in his right knee.
Here are the top bench-press results at the combine since 2000:
Paea: 49
Petrus: 45
Kudla: 45
Larsen: 45
Jeff Owens, DT, Georgia (2010): 44
Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State (2006): 44
Scott Young, G, BYU (2005): 43
Tank Tyler, DT, North Carolina State (2007): 42
Isaac Sopoaga, DT, Hawaii (2004): 42
February 27th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/27/paea-shatters-combine-bench-press-mark/?module=HP_headlines
February 27th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Brandon Saine looks like a good fit if Bush walks.
February 27th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Gannon had a winning record in Minnesota and Kansas City before coming to Oakland.
Jeff George and Kerry Collins didn’t do much throwing to Tim Brown. Gannon turned that talent into wins.
Kinda important, except to a lot of you weirdos in here.
February 27th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Alex7 Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Gannon had a winning record in Minnesota and Kansas City before coming to Oakland.
Jeff George and Kerry Collins didn’t do much throwing to Tim Brown. Gannon turned that talent into wins.
Kinda important, except to a lot of you weirdos in here.
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Really? Didn’t Jeff George throw 32 TDs against 9 picks with is under Bugel? Seems at least a few of those were to Tim Brown. And Kerry Collins had success before and after his Raider career. Keep your facts straight.
February 27th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
65.alex7 Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Gannon had a winning record in Minnesota and Kansas City before coming to Oakland.
Jeff George and Kerry Collins didn’t do much throwing to Tim Brown. Gannon turned that talent into wins.
Kinda important, except to a lot of you weirdos in here.
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Like I said, “Gannon was a carrer wash out tell he fell into the hands of Gruden. A “system QB” with a HOF supporting cast, and a GREAT owner/GM.
Gannon was NEVER a GREAT player, he was a GREAT FIT!”
Gruden turned that talent into wins! With the team we had then Gradkowski would have been MVP!
February 27th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Alex do your home work dude!
February 27th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Like I said, “Gannon was a carrer wash out tell he fell into the hands of Gruden. A “system QB” with a HOF supporting cast, and a GREAT owner/GM.
Gannon was NEVER a GREAT player, he was a GREAT FIT!”
Gruden turned that talent into wins! With the team we had then Gradkowski would have been MVP!
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With you all the way, but Gradkowski????? Can’t go there.
February 27th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Gannon was a bench warmer in minn & kc. Couldn’t beat out grbac salisbury & kramer. He wasn’t good enough otherwise he would have been a starter.
Let’s keep it 100, Gannon wasn’t a full time starter until Davis / gruden & brown rice saved him.
February 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Davis hasn’t saved anybody, or anything-except maybe his stool samples–for a long time. Time for the old bastard to go.
February 27th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Rich Gannon was a winner.
19-16 record with Minny
10-6 with KC
45-29 with Oakland
February 27th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Just saw Kim Newton on the Combine broadcast. I think you Newton haters are going to have a tough time.
February 27th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Rich Gannon was a winner.
19-16 record with Minny
10-6 with KC
45-29 with Oakland
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What would you call VY?
February 27th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Rich Gannon – Jon Gruden = Average.
February 27th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
A real QB is something the Raiders haven’t had in decades. borrowing a QB for 3 years doesn’t count.
Teams that have truly get things done are those with long-term QBs that study hard, perform under pressure and lead their teams with their arms.
Guys like Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Schaub and even 2nd tier and up and comers QBs like Eli Manning, Sanchez, Flacco, Cutler, Ryan etc…
The Raiders? Unfortunately because the Owner does not believe in or know how to cultivate stability….the Raiders have to hope for free agents like Jay Schroeder, Jeff George, Rich Gannon, Josh McCown and Jason Campbell to get by
February 27th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
SnB Production Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
A real QB is something the Raiders haven’t had in decades. borrowing a QB for 3 years doesn’t count.
Teams that have truly get things done are those with long-term QBs that study hard, perform under pressure and lead their teams with their arms.
Guys like Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Schaub and even 2nd tier and up and comers QBs like Eli Manning, Sanchez, Flacco, Cutler, Ryan etc…
The Raiders? Unfortunately because the Owner does not believe in or know how to cultivate stability….the Raiders have to hope for free agents like Jay Schroeder, Jeff George, Rich Gannon, Josh McCown and Jason Campbell to get by
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You’re making a good point about the stability of the organization. There were some talking heads that thought this was the wrong landing spot for JR before he was drafted. I fought that. We had just hired a new young coach and I was anxious for Al to prove those guys wrong. Unfortunately, the critics were proved right, although I don’t think Al deserves total blame for the Kiffin debacle. Kiffin and Russell could have, and should have worked out for us. Incompetent losers like Cable, Buddy Whackit, Ted Tollner, Garcia and Bruise never should have been in the picture.
February 27th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Heard Ryan Mallett interviewed today for the 1st time on the radio. Would never have believed he was a white dude if I wasn’t told it was him. No wonder he’s being characterized as an idiot, druggy loser. Wink wink.
February 27th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Al Davis = Dog Chasing Tail. (Old Dog Too)
February 27th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Guys, I said Collins and George didn’t do much with Tim Brown and pointed out how Gannon WON.
I know George had nice stats. My point is, which you guys are making even more obvious, that for some reason some of you guys don’t value winning when you evaluate the QBs.
George and Collins had good WRs, guys like Kaufman, Wheatley, and Garner as RBs, yet Rich was the only one that got the W’s.
Yeah, some of you blast Vince Young because you don’t like him personally, and you ignore his 31-16 career record. Weird. Titans went 1-6 once he was benched last year.
February 27th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Alex every Gannon playoff run ended in miserable failure. Wins are the stat you look at when judging Gannon. He bacame a good regular season system qb here in the town. He had was an average qb that had a good little run, nowhere near greatness.
February 27th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/index.php/2011/02/27/why-offensive-lineman-nick-kaczur-has-likely-played-his-last-down-for-the-patriots/
February 27th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
What would you call VY?
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A guy with almost the exact same career winning % as Rich Gannon (VY 64% Gannon 61%)
Gannon 4-3 in the playoff
VY 0-1 (and quit at halftime)
February 27th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Mistic 99% of playoff runs by any QB fail. If you’re going to define a QB ONLY by Super Bowl wins, you’re taking Dilfer over Gannon, which is obviously silly.
Gannon was brought up due to his comments on Cam Newton. And Gannon is right. It helps to have bookworm QBs that are absolute football nerds to win consistently.
What Gannon did was not “average”. It is not average to have a lifetime winning record, multiple playoff appearances, a winning playoff record, an MVP award, and the respect of teammates and coaches.
That’s not average, regardless if you make fun of his arm-strength or not.
February 27th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
One of these days, maybe when Jamarcus Russell has been out of the league for 10 years, Debo might start to realize that Jamarcus Russell is the only person to blame for Jamarcus Russell.
Plenty of people have flopped at one spot they were drafted, only to resurrect themselves elsewhere.
So far, nothing of the sort for Jamarcus. Just losing out to the Patrick Ramsey’s of the world for a 3rd string gig.
February 27th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Nice try Alex,
Gannon was the definition of average back up until Davis let him drive the cadilac stocked with hall of fame & probowl talent. He accomplished nothing of note before or after his flash in the pan run in Oakland
February 27th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Alex,
while it’s true most playoff runs end in defeat, there is a difference between most playoff runs & gannons monumental tank jobs.
Most qbs don’t have the luxury of playing with a superbowl ready team. The tuck rule, the ravens game,we had the best team in the NFL, Gannon floundered.
Not to mention his bumbling nightmare of a superbowl. There have been 45 superbowls and out of 90 qb starts in a super bowl only one threw up all over himself with 5 ints 2 for pick 6! You guessed it bich Gannon
February 27th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
I guess some folks actually enjoy losing judging by the way they slag the last QB we had who was a real leader and consistently won for us. It was the lousy play of our o-line, Barrett Robbins’ meltdown and Callahan’s failure to realize that Gruden knew our playbook to a tee that cost us that Superbowl. No QB could have won under those conditions. End of story!
February 27th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Speaking of Gannon, hear him a lot on Sirius. Wish he’d never gotten on the radio so I could remember him as a great Raider. The guy is a major league prick that doesn’t seem to know how good he had it in Oakland. Anyway, he had Don Majkowski on the show a month or two ago and asked him what he thought about Brett Favre when he came to GB. Majkowski said Favre was overweight, didn’t like working out, hated meetings, partied and drank too much, and couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn in practice. Sound familiar? But Majkowski took him under his wing. Holmgren and the organization was patient with him. He had guys like Gruden and Marriucci there to coach him up. Favre even admitted that he didn’t know how to watch film until Ty Dermer taught him how. Didn’t hurt having Sterling Sharpe, but the point is he had a hell of a coaching staff and a stable organization that stood behind him through his struggles. All they got was a HOFer, multiple playoff runs and a SB for their trouble. It’s a shame JR didn’t get that here.
February 27th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
The tuck rule season, Gannon’s QB rating was around 110 between both playoff games.
3 TD’s, 0 turnovers, 67% completions.
February 27th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Kind of reminds me of the scrawny dweeb reporter who accused Dan Pastorini of being soft right after he’d played the AFC final against the Steel Curtain Steelers with two cracked ribs and came within a disputed TD of beating them. He grabbed the twerp and slammed him right through the locker room doors on national TV. Reporter was squealing in terror. It was a thing of beauty.
February 27th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
The award for the Best Movie of the Year goes to….”Piranha 3D”
February 27th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Abilene Christian’s Edmond Gates tied Fort Valley’s Ricardo Lockette with a 4.37 forty, fastest among wide receivers in Sunday’s NFL Combine.
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Go get’em Al!
February 27th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Brett Favre was a Pro Bowl QB in his first year in Green Bay.
His first ever career start (he had been in Green Bay less than 6 months at the time) he posted a 144 QB rating against the Steelers who went 11-5 that year.
Don Majkowski was in Green Bay only one year with Favre.
Favre would have been great without the 8 months of tutledge from Don “MagicMan” Majowski.
February 27th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
“R8eray”: Don’t give Al any ideas.
February 27th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Jon Gruden’s dink & dunk, benefited Gannon.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Jon Gruden Rich Gannon Playbook.
1st & 10: 5 yard crossing route.
2nd & 10: 5 yard crossing route.
3rd & 10: 5 yard crossing route.
3rd & 15: 5 yard crossing route.
3rd & 20: 5 yard crossing route.
3rd & 25: 5 yard crossing route.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Debo,
Your going to have to clue me in on the “struggles” Green Bay had to stick behind with Favre.
92 – First year, Pro Bowler, (8-5) record as a starter
93-95 Made the playoffs ever year, and won at least one game each year in the playoffs
96-Super Bowl MVP
How in any way, shape or form does that compare with Jamarcus bumbling around with more turnovers than TD’s and a sub .500 record for two years???
February 27th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Bad move by Keith Smart at the end of the game.
Down one, you iso Curry (who was killing it) on Ridnour, not Monta on 6′8 Wesley Johnson.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Rank dilfer ahead of Gannon? Why not. Qbs break down into a few groups. Guys with career numbers and trophies; elway, Brady, manning, young. Of course they rank ahead of bich.
Next guys with no trophies but eye popping stats for a prolonged period ( 10 years or more) also ahead of bich Gannon. Like; moon, Marino, fouts, Tark, Kelly and so on.
Anther group that ranks higher than Gannon guys without the career numbers but at least one superbowl. Our very own, plunk & snake fit into this group, with guys like aikman bradshaw, rypien, mcmahon, Williams theisman, dilfer & Namath hostetler, simms. Because they won the big game.
Guys like Gannon a few good years & no trophy, hasslebeck, esiason, Collins, humphries to name a few.
Sorry bich Gannon simply didn’t sustain a high level of play for long enough, nor did he go on a run and win it all to be considered great.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
EVERY quarterback is the product of a system. Even Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Gannon shouldn’t be considered one of the great quarterbacks in league history, no doubt. But he fit exactly what the Raiders needed at that time, and played incredibly well while he was here. That definitely can’t be taken away from him.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
The struggles had to do with his drinking and lax attitude toward practice and film study. He had a lot of guys step in and help him get that stuff together, legit dudes. Compare Holmgren and Cable and tell me who you’d rather have. Never said Favre sucked, but his situation in GB is light years ahead of what JR had here. And I won’t heven bother comparing surrounding players. My point is without that organization and coaching staff, Favre could easily have ended up doing nothing in the league. The Raiders should have done a better job of replicating that for JR.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
YA,
I don’t want to deny him the credit he earned, average qb went on a run couldn’t close the deal.
I have problem with him being a raider hater / traitor, & his egotistical posturing as if he was a great qb. I also can’t stand so called fans making him out to be some sort of football god.
He was nobody before the silver & black & I don’t have him in my all time raider qb top 3. Plunkett stabler & the hos hold those spots.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Lamonica??
February 27th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Mistic,
what do you judge QBs by? Just whatever you decide in your head? Plunkett had horrible numbers, turned the ball over, but was on the most talented rosters of the NFL for a slew of years.
I mean, opposing defenses were still sometimes stuck in the stone age with no or few black players on it. You compare success against those teams as more impressive than succeeding in the 2000s? Wow.
Gannon gets made discredited for having Brown and 40-year old Rice, but Plunkett and Stabler get credit despite having Fred and Branch, Christensen, Casper, Marcus Allen, and segregated defenses. Ok.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Plenty of “average” QBs are well-regarded analysts and students of the game. Just because a guy doesn’t personally possess all the tools to be “great” doesn’t mean that he doesn’t know what it takes to be an NFL quarterback.
Moreover, Gannon was essential to pulling the locker room together and getting that team to play to their potential.
I don’t see him as either a “Raider hater” or a “traitor”. From everything I’ve heard him say, he seems to genuinely want the team to do well. He even offered to help when JaMarcus was struggling.
Guys that I consider “haters” are Kawakami, Inman, Cris Carter and Tom Jackson.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
You call Gannon a nobody before coming to Oakland (despite his lifetime winning record) as if Plunkett had succeeded wildly before showing up in Oakland.
Random.
Gannon in his short stay became the 4th most successful QB in franchise history. That’s something.
February 27th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Plunk came to the NFL with pedigree, Gannon was drafted as a safety.
Plunk has the jewlery 2x champ. Gannon has squat, zilch.
Plunk was clutch. Gannon choked like he was tapping out in a ufc match.
Plunk vs Gannon? Plunk in a landslide!
Next
February 27th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Alex,
post # 100 explains how I compare qbs
February 27th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
speaking of the phillies their pitching staff is loaded
February 27th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
the only thing gannon had was time. commentators would joke at the time gannon had to throw. but he would get rattled when he didn’t. never once heard gannon take responsibilty when he stunk after a game (and there was times ) he was sur quick to blam the team but never took it on his shoulders.
i will say this if barret robbins didn’t go bi-polar we would have won the super bowl.gannon wasn’t spectacular he played behind agreat line and he was serviceable. thats why i say the same can happen for jc
lets build him a solid line he can be better than gannon cuz he has a better arm
i believe al and hue know this and that’s their intent
just win baby !
February 27th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Post14,
exactly!
February 27th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
wiesnewskie looks like a beast would love to see
veldheer wiesnewski center ? b.campbell tackle (?)
or
veldheer guard(?) wiesnewski b.campbell rt.tackle(?)
don’t see gallery coming back find a solid guard, solid rt.tackle this would be a force in the nfl.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
The Raiders should have done a better job of replicating that for JR.
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I don’t doubt this. Not only for JR but every one of the 53 guys on the roster.
But I don’t see the comparisions in Favre. Brett had an undying will to win that Jamarcus never possessed, and that’s why Favre started to wind toIMMEDIATELY when he entered he started playing in the league.
Hell, in Jamarcus’ 2nd year, he had already had a start, thrown over 50 passes in the regular season and started some preseason games as well, with the same team.
Brett’s 2nd year, he was on a different team, different offense, had thrown 4 passes and never even started a preseason game.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Gallery gone? Yes please!
February 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Wisniewski = 4th round pick
Here’s the NFLN’s take on him:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/stefen-wisniewski?id=2495250#tabs:tab-analysis
February 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
funny how all the thirty-somethings on here remember gannon as a great quarterback, while the seasoned vet semi-pros know him for what he was… a noodle armed prick who was hated in the locker room and alienated all the great players on his teams..and he is still true to that identity. couldn’t make it as a color commentator on tv so now he is doing serius radio, and that won’t be for long…
February 27th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
If Nick Kaczur gets cut by the Pats, he could help at RT or RG.
I still hope they give Campbell a look at RT as well as RG. Kid’s a really raw prospect so it’s worth seeing what he can do instead of just keeping him at one position.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Wisniewski comes from a football family and has the versatility to be a quality backup at the next level. He has great football intelligence, quickly recognizes stunts and blitzes and is rarely caught out of position. However, he lacks the lower body strength to generate a consistent push in the running game and will not thwart the bull rush in the NFL. He played guard early in his career and can line up at all three interior offensive line positions. Wisniewski has the smarts to make up for his lack of strength and will likely be a later round pick.
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Key words “Later round pick”.
Kiper, McShay and Mayock all have him as a 3rd-5th range.
The only people talking about him as a 2nd rounder or earlier are people in here, who base that strictly off his last name.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
r8rwill Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
funny how all the thirty-somethings on here remember gannon as a great quarterback
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That’s because us 30-somethings have been let down by Al Davis our entire lifetime, and our expectations are incredibly low.
I’ve watched 3 conference championships, and only 6 playoff appearances, MY WHOLE LIFE.
2 of those conference championships (including the only victory) and 3 of those playoff appearances where in 3 years with Gannon.
Until someone in Silver and Black does better, while I was actually alive, that’s how I see it.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
In most mocks I’ve seen he’s been a late 1st or early 2nd round pick, but if he slides to the 3rd or 4th I don’t have a problem with that.
Still think that he and Moffitt playing next to each other would be a pretty brutal combination. Mayock in particular was really high on Moffitt. Said that every time he watched film on Carimi, he couldn’t help but notice what a nasty blocker the kid was, and how he always played through the whistle.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
I’ve heard that Moffitt might have actually been the best lineman for Wisconsin, but tackles get drafted higher.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
R8rwiil I’m in my 30’s calling Gannon noodle armed is a disrespect to pasta & chow mein. He sukt balls
February 27th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
I’m not going to pretend to know what to look for in lineman; besides production and what the pundits say.
The only take I really got is that the Solder kid from Colorado is going to be an epic fail.
He was getting tossed around in the East-West game, by fringe-level prospects.
Wiz seems like a solid pick, but everything I read from ESPN, CBSsports, NFLN and the like, all say he doesn’t have good footwork or lower-body strength, and is around a 4th round pick.
So that’s what I am running with.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
The few teams Al Davis didn’t fail me in my lifetime:
-Drafting Tim Brown
-moving back to Oakland
-swallowing his pride in bringing in a noodle-armed QB that wins ballgames
-Releasing and than suing Jamarcus Russell
-drafting Rolando McClain
That’s about all I got.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
2) OT/OG Benjamin Ijalana (Villanova), OLB Mason Foster (Washington), OG/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin), CB Curtis Brown (Texas), or OG/C Stefan Wisniewski (Penn State)
3) OLB Quan Sturdivant (North Carolina), C Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU), or OT Marcus Gilbert (Florida)
4) FS Robert Sands (West Virginia), OLB Casey Matthews (Oregon), DT/NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame) or CB/FS Marcus Gilchrist (Clemson)
5) CB Davon House (New Mexico State), C/OG Brandon Fusco (Slippery Rock), or FB Henry Hynoski (Pitt)
6) DE/DT Cedrick Thornton (Southern Arkansas)
7) WR Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State) or QB Josh Portis (California of PA)
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Attempt to re-sign: Miller (RFA), Bush (RFA), Reece (RFA), Mario Henderson, Satele, Bryant (RFA), Barnes, Loper, and Condo.
Huff and Gallery will test the FA market. Huff seems open to coming back, but only for the right offer.
Possible FA targets:
CB Eric Wright or Richard Marshall
OT Jammal Brown or Nick Kaczur
TE Matt Spaeth
WR Santana Moss
FS Jarrad Page (if Huff walks)
February 27th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Not sold on Solder at all. Kid plays waaaaaaay too high and needs to add a lot of weight to that huge frame of his.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
games i saw wis play he looked pretty strong if he’s a fourt rounder so be it . personally i’d love to snatch pouncey if possible bottom line we need to concentrate on building a solid o-line period.
left guard center rt.tackle. bruce campbell was a beast in pre season even thogh against 3rd. and 4th stringers the kid is strong as an elephant. guard maybe easier for him than tackle (less space to cover).
but we need some maulers on the line who don’t get knocked on their a$$es from the more better d-lines in the league(ala gallery ,satele,carlisle and walker )then force the quarterback to throw 30-40 times a game only to see opposing defenses to T-off
February 27th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Newsflash post14em:
The “more better Dlines in the league” push around every team, every week, no matter who is in front of them.
If your banking on a bunch of rookies, mid-round draft picks and mid-level FA’s pickups to push around the best D-lines in the leauge, you are going to be ultimately disappointed.
We need a defense that does our fair share of pushing around themselves, and a QB to be better than the opposing QB more often that not.
Ask the Browns how well drafting stud O-lineman in the first round is doing for their offense.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
the greatness of the raiders is near!
we ain’t tat far off. santana moss is garbage . schillens looked good in his last game if and thats a big if the receiving corps is set. al will sign miller and bush (no brainers)
February 27th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Considering how many lousy players were left over from the pre-Gruden era, I sincerely hope Gannon wasn’t popular in the locker room.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
rich gannon had a career 70.1 quarterback rating before he came to the silver and black, that is hardly great. in fact it is downright poor. that’s how he came to be a raider. his othr teams didn’t want him..
February 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
2) OT/OG Benjamin Ijalana (Villanova), OLB Mason Foster (Washington), OG/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin), CB Curtis Brown (Texas), or OG/C Stefan Wisniewski (Penn State)
3) OLB Quan Sturdivant (North Carolina), C Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU), or OT Marcus Gilbert (Florida)
4) FS Robert Sands (West Virginia), OLB Casey Matthews (Oregon), DT/NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame) or CB/FS Marcus Gilchrist (Clemson)
5) CB Davon House (New Mexico State), C/OG Brandon Fusco (Slippery Rock), or FB Henry Hynoski (Pitt)
6) DE/DT Cedrick Thornton (Southern Arkansas)
7) WR Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State) or QB Josh Portis (California of PA)
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Attempt to re-sign: Miller (RFA), Bush (RFA), Reece (RFA), Mario Henderson, Satele, Bryant (RFA), Barnes, Loper, and Condo.
Huff and Gallery will test the FA market. Huff seems open to coming back, but only for the right offer.
Possible FA targets:
CB Eric Wright or Richard Marshall
OT Jammal Brown or Nick Kaczur
TE Matt Spaeth
WR Santana Moss
FS Jarrad Page (if Huff walks)
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I’d add Marcus Cannon (TCU) to that list.
He can flat out drive defenders and plays with a mean streak and can play either OG/OT. You get absolute POWER with this dude not to mention he moves well for a lineman that weighs 358. Good athlete.
February 27th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
jfb … i hear what your saying i’m saying we need a better line than what we got and that’s not saying much you gotta agree with that ? veldheer will be better we satele sucks carlisle sucks langston walker suck
i want to see them replaced with studs in case you never noticed the are somedamn good o-lines in the league ! asfar as the d is concerned there were only afew games last year they dissapeared we do have a few holes but we need a stroger offense line period!
it can be done ( we have more weapons than the browns i believe we scored alot more points than the browns)
February 27th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Mistic, I love Jim Plunkett. And I’ll be honest, in a Super Bowl, I would start Plunkett over Gannon just for Plunkett’s hero factor, that he just seems to carry with him. 2 SB victories is undeniable. Plunkett should be in the hall. Plenty of one SB victory fluke QBs, but not two victories. It should be an automatic HOF admittance.
That being said, if I’m a head coach, and I have both Jim Plunkett and Rich Gannon in their primes heading into a season, I’m starting Gannon.
Plunkett was injury prone, his entire career. Gannon was just more durable, and his overall stats, at least with the Raiders, just tower Plunkett’s.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Marcus Cannon would be a great pick if he slid to #48, but he put together a very good combine and his measurables were off the charts. Not many guys his size move the way he does. My money is on Cannon being an early second round pick.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
mistic, i am surprised you are a thirty something..i figured you to be older, based on your view points.. shows what i know lol
February 27th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
cottovic
Ole Miss NT Jerrell Powe will have meeting with the Oakland #Raiders has already met with #Chiefs & #Broncos.
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Very interesting indeed.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
The few teams Al Davis didn’t fail me in my lifetime:
-Drafting Tim Brown
-moving back to Oakland
-swallowing his pride in bringing in a noodle-armed QB that wins ballgames
-Releasing and than suing Jamarcus Russell
-drafting Rolando McClain
That’s about all I got.
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That works out to a FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF- rating.
All things considered, not all that good.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Post14,
I’m all for improving any position. Certainly O-line needs improving in pass protection.
But they were the #2 ranked rushing O-line. They dominated the LOS every one of our division games.
O-line did their fair share of pushing people around last season.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
The few teams Al Davis didn’t fail me in my lifetime:
-Releasing and than suing Jamarcus Russell
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Releasing Russell was the most important addition the Raiders made in 2010.
More important than DMAC’s emergence as an elite RB.
More important than the solid contributions from the rookie class of McClain, Houston and V – and the addition of Wimbley.
More important than Hue Jax taking charge of the offense.
These were all very important factors in the Raider return to respectability, but they weren’t as important as kicking JaMoron to the curb.
In fact, I’d go as far as saying that if the Raids had been saddled with JaMoron at QB in 2010, we’d be here discussing another 5-11 or 4-12 record – even with the other positive developments mentioned above.
That’s how bad JaMoron was.
JaMoron might eventually leech his way onto another NFL squad, but he will not last more than a year with any team.
Why ?
Because he’s too stupid to play in the NFL.
Doesn’t matter how motivated, or what kind of shape he’s in. He’s a mental midget that can’t put together a coherent thought or sentence, much less grasp and effectively run an NFL offense.
The comparison of JaMoron to Favre should be archived forever and printed whenever the most assinine posts ever made on this blog are discussed.
Even JaJason is light years better than JaMoron.
Canning JaMoron was the best and most important move the Raids made last year.
It didn’t solve the problem of finding a QB, but it did remove an albatross and anchor around the neck of the franchise.
Still, the Raids must secure a better QB if they want to take the next step from respectability to a team that can go deep into the playoffs or win a SB.
JaJason sucks.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
r8rwill Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
rich gannon had a career 70.1 quarterback rating before he came to the silver and black,
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I would like to see a link for that.
In the 7 seasons in which he threw over 15 passes prior to joining the Raiders, he had a QB rating of 59.5 one year, 68.9 the other year, and than 5 years of no less than 72 and 3 years over 80.
Not sure how that equals 70.1
February 27th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Mistic, I love Jim Plunkett. And I’ll be honest,
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/and I’ll be honest. How can someone who everyone knows is a crossposter be honest about anything?
isn’t everything about you a lie?
February 27th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
I can’t help but to look at the Russell situation from Russell’s perspective. I guess it’s because the Raiders are a multi-million dollar corporation, and JaMarcus Russell is a poor kid from Mobile, Alabama. Russell has a lot of problems, most of them self inflicted, no doubt. But his stint with the Raiders certainly didn’t help him. And considering the chaos that took place in Oakland while he was there (that former league MVP Rich Gannon spoke of as well during that time), I don’t think he was given much opportunity to succeed, either.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Please.
Plenty of people have failed in Oakland, but nobody failed like Jamarcus Russell.
He is in his own little mink-coated world as far as failures in Oakland go.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Agree on both counts, Vegas, but it still doesn’t refute my point. I don’t believe Russell had the opportunity to succeed in Oakland, and neither does a former league MVP.
February 27th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
MR, what about the Raiders DO you like? Why are you a Raider fan. Do they bring you any happness?
February 27th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
I don’t think ja Marcus could have dine as well or better than JC did last yr. That’s y they cut him
oh an hue was on staff when they did it.
February 27th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
124-and you are a racist.
February 27th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
I said that I didn’t believe Russell had the opportunity to succeed. While the team improved in ‘10, I wouldn’t call 8-8 “success”. I never said that nobody could have come in and did better than Russell. I just said he wasn’t given the opportunity to succeed. And I still don’t believe any QB truly has the opportunity to succeed here. We don’t have a D coordinator and our head coach is calling the owner “coach”, for crying out loud. Clearly not much has changed.
February 27th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
My goodness, ever since whites became the minority in Texas, they’ve been looking for racism under every rock.
February 27th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
jfb, that rating came from the five years he started with the vikings and chiefs, his highest rating was an eighty . don’t pad his rating with years he played in one game or was the mop-up man.. and i had him at 25 and 22 with minn. and 9 and 7 with the chiefs.. you do the math…the man couldn’t beat out saun salisbury in minn or elvis grbac in kc.. you may not remember them!!! i’ll say it again gannon had a noodle arm and an abrasive personality. he walked into a great situation in oakland!! for which we got nothing. any other questions??
February 27th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
But I don’t see the comparisions in Favre. Brett had an undying will to win that Jamarcus never possessed, and that’s why Favre started to wind toIMMEDIATELY when he entered he started playing in the league.
Hell, in Jamarcus’ 2nd year, he had already had a start, thrown over 50 passes in the regular season and started some preseason games as well, with the same team.
Brett’s 2nd year, he was on a different team, different offense, had thrown 4 passes and never even started a preseason game.
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You don’t know a thing about JR’s will to win. And in his 1st season as a starter, there was fighting behind the scenes between Al and Kiffin. And there must have been a struggle to succeed Kiffin behind the scenes which is probably why we didn’t retain Knapp and DiFillipo. Name a receiver the Raiders had in 2008 or 2009 that is half as good as any of GB’s receivers during that time? Again, match up coaching staffs? JR was on a lousy team, plain and simple. He deserves a medal for the way he finished 2008.
February 27th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Whites Rock!
February 27th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Debo, I don’t know if there is an NFL quarterback in league history drafted into a more chaotic situation than JaMarcus Russell does. Russell’s attitude is garbage, I’ll be the first to say it. It’s likely he’d fail in New England, with Joe Montana and Bill Cosby as full time, retained mentors. But nonetheless, I don’t believe there was any QB in the history of the league drafted into a more chaotic situation than JaMarcus Russell was. Russell was not a worker. At the same time, the Raiders certainly didn’t help. The environment they provided him with was a joke.
February 27th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
The Raiders, nor anyone representing them, have the right to criticize Russell from a football standpoint, as far as I’m concerned, because from a football standpoint, the Raiders did absolutely NOTHING to help him. Nothing, period. Russell’s time here was a waste, for him as well as for the team.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
R8rwill,
You either or lying or are awful at Math.
10 seasons prior to Oakland. 3 seasons he threw under 15 passes, so I threw those out.
Of the other 7, he had a 59.5 a 68.9, than the other 5 were all over 72.9, including three years over 80.
Not saying they are great numbers, but your figure of 70.1 is wrong, and you clearly just made it up as you have no facts and no link to support it.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Instead of guessing in the future, take this link of profootballreference, and add it to your favorites:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GannRi00.htm
February 27th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
The Raiders, nor anyone representing them, have the right to criticize Russell from a football standpoint, as far as I’m concerned, because from a football standpoint, the Raiders did absolutely NOTHING to help him. Nothing, period. Russell’s time here was a waste, for him as well as for the team.
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This is my biggest problem. This over-the-top criticism he received on the field. With the supporting cast and coaching staff provided to him, he can’t be fairly evaluated. And I’m not commenting on his work ethic. I have no clue what he or the other 31 QBs do during the week to get ready for games, so how can I make that judgement? The scouting process determined that he should be a damn good player in the league. From there, it’s up to the team put him in a position to realize his talent. The Raiders failed miserably here starting by messing with him on his 1st contract. When’s the last time the TOP pick had trouble getting his contract done?? The guy came back this past offseason ready to take his job back. The Raiders owed him the chance to do that.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
You don’t know a thing about JR’s will to win.
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I’m taking Al Davis’ word for it on this one.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
If Jamarcus really wanted to compete for the job, he would have renogiated his contract to stay.
The Raiders were actually offering him MORE guaranteed money if he renogiated, but he knew if he said no, they would have owed him $4 million guaranteed anyways, so he took the money for nothing.
$4 million no matter what or $9 million but have to work for two years.
He made his decision.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Vegas, Gannon’s haters are clearly undaunted and unmoved by statistics that contradict them.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
If Jamarcus really wanted to compete for the job, he would have renogiated his contract to stay.
The Raiders were actually offering him MORE guaranteed money if he renogiated, but he knew if he said no, they would have owed him $4 million guaranteed anyways, so he took the money for nothing.
$4 million no matter what or $9 million but have to work for two years.
He made his decision.
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I’ve been looking for confirmation that he had a chance to renegotiate. Link??
February 27th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
If JaMarcus had any kind of will to win, he wouldn’t be out of football right now.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
I agree with all of you about Russell’s work ethic, but nonetheless, the Raiders were of absolutely NO HELP to him. His stint with the Raiders was a waste of time and only set him back. And he’s a man who doesn’t need any more set backs.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
That was my biggest problem with the draft picks after the Raiders took JaMarcus. Their idea of protecting him was bringing in Kwame Harris. Their idea of giving him help at WR was reaching for Heyward-Bey. The Raiders did absolutely nothing worthwhile to protect their investment.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
If JaMarcus had any kind of will to win, he wouldn’t be out of football right now.
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YA,
I respect most of your takes, but what the hell are you talking about??? When he was cut, he drew interest from the Bengals, Jets and Vikings. Then he caught that bullschitt Vick’s cough syrup case and became radioactive. Nobody would touch him till it was resolved. As soon as the grand jury laughed it off the docket, he got tryouts at the end of the season with the Dolphins and the Redskins, the latter said to be a very impressive workout. I fully expect JR to be signed sometime after the draft. If he didn’t have the will to redeem himself, why would he show up with 20 other guys to try out with the Skins??
February 27th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Sure, a couple teams kicked his tires after he was cut. What team wouldn’t poke around a former #1 draft pick who was just cut by a team that was, at least ostensibly, in chaos?
The Redskins chose to roll with Grossman as their starter to end the season. The Dolphins stuck with Tyler Thigpen. The Vikings rolled with Joe Webb, and the Bengals’ backup was a guy who got the job simply by being Carson Palmer’s little brother.
Look at it this way: Even Ryan Leaf caught on somewhere else after the Chargers dumped him. Even if those opportunities were pretty shortlived.
If JaMarcus wanted to prove himself, he’d go to the UFL. Or he’d go to the CFL. Hell, he’d play in the arena leagues just to prove to everyone he has what it takes.
Russell is just deluded enough to think that he can be a starter somewhere in the NFL, but doesn’t have the will to work his way up from a team’s third string job. Even Matt Leinart and Brady Quinn are still in the NFL because they feel like if they keep at it, sooner or later they’ll get a chance to prove themselves.
As long as Russell thinks that a team should just hand him a starting job, as long as he refuses to take some accountability for his tenure in Oakland (even if it isn’t entirely his fault), he won’t be an NFL quarterback.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
I think if Russell dropped some weight, threw himself a makeshift scouting combine, and had a press conference where he said “You know what? I was immature and I didn’t put in all the work necessary to be The Guy in Oakland. I understand that now, and I’m working to get better. All I want is an opportunity to prove myself.” he’d get a job the same week.
But that hasn’t happened, and I don’t see it happening any time soon.
Simply put, there’s more to being an NFL quarterback than having otherworldly physical skills. It doesn’t seem like JaMarcus has figured that out yet.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
If Russell wanted to win, he’d have refused to show up in Oakland in the first place. His first mistake was being greedy and taking advantage (per the guidance of his agent, I’m certain) of a clearly senile owner who only drafted him to show up his coach, and obviously would have given him the keys to the city. He should have flat out told Oakland he’d never show up, period. Since Gruden’s been gone, Oakland has been the worst place in the league for a quarterback. No quarterback who truly wants to win comes here, unless they have no other choice, and I think Russell had plenty of options. He might not have even been a first round pick in the ‘07 draft, but would have been picked up at some point.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
R8rwill,
You either or lying or are awful at Math.
10 seasons prior to Oakland. 3 seasons he threw under 15 passes, so I threw those out.
Of the other 7, he had a 59.5 a 68.9, than the other 5 were all over 72.9, including three years over 80.
Not saying they are great numbers, but your figure of 70.1 is wrong, and you clearly just made it up as you have no facts and no link to support it.
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So you keep throwing out the bad stats until they say what you want?
What was Gannons stats in the SuperBowl? Not counting the 5 picks of course.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
I think Plunkett is better than Gannon, because winning the Super Bowl is clearly the ultimate goal. If I were to rate quarterbacks, I’d give 1 point for a winning season, 2 points for each playoff win, and 1 trillion gazillion points for a Super Bowl win. Plunkett wins, period. I put Gannon as 3rd on the all time list of Raider QBs, even though statistically he’s number 2, and even number one in some key categories, like pass completions.
That being said, it would be interesting to see what Plunkett or Stabler had done saddled up with Anthony Dorsett Jr. at safety in place of McElroy or Tatum (respectively), or to regroup the team before a Super Bown in the event that Dave Dalby went awol.
February 27th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
jfb, i will assure you i have no reason to lie, especially to you dude, the years nooldle arm started for minn// 90 /91 /92 his his ratings wer 68.9 71.5 and 72.9 with kc he rated an eighty you do the math.. gannon was a punk azz qb… get over it dude it’s ok..those years he started he stunk up the place that’s why he was available to the raiders..
any time you sit behind your key board you can tlak big all you want.. i’ll be at every raider home game this coming season section 103 row 19 ask for me. tell me to my face i’m a liar,,,punk
February 27th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Go ahead, Vegas. Sift through the 5,000 or so fans in attendance at the coliseum and say it to his face, man! Tell him to his face you think Rich Gannon was a good quarterback! Tell him! Tell him, man! LOL.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Russell is just deluded enough to think that he can be a starter somewhere in the NFL, but doesn’t have the will to work his way up from a team’s third string job. Even Matt Leinart and Brady Quinn are still in the NFL because they feel like if they keep at it, sooner or later they’ll get a chance to prove themselves.
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He’s already on record as saying he’ll take a backup role. He’s already been on tv saying he’d do things differently. He’s been working out at John Lucas’s facility. Sure, it takes more than physical skills to succeed at QB. But you HAVE to have the physical skills. And if he didn’t have the other things necessary, he wouldn’t have had the career he had at LSU. You think he was one of the most highly recruited preps in the country and a star at arguably the the best college program in the unquestioned top conference just because he’s tall with a strong arm????? He will be on an NFL team in 2011.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
ESPN’s NFL draft expert Todd McShay answered one question regarding each team in the AFC West in a blog. He gave insight on what prospects may be a good fit for the Oakland Raiders at quarterback.
Here’s the excerpt:
“They have other needs, but if there is a guy like [Nevada’s] Colin Kaepernick is there in the third round, that could be a good fit. He has a big arm that the Raiders like. [TCU’s] Andy Dalton isn’t a perfect fit because of his arm, but it’s good enough. He could be a fit in the third round. I tell you what, [Arkansas’] Ryan Mallett could easily fall all the way down to No. 48. Oakland would have to think about it. He has the big arm. He is a risk, but he is an incredible value at No. 48.”
February 27th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
R8rwill is so cool as an online bully. So cool!
And yes, his math is wrong.
Regardless, he seems to place “arm strength” ahead of “winning” in his arguments. Probably related to Al.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
I wouldn’t mind Mallet– Stabler v2… and with a modest salary he might actually be motivated
February 27th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
McShay knows better than Al how much the Raiders need an upgrade over thrice-benched in 2010 veteran Campbell.
And by all accounts, the man who had the authority to bench him is now his head coach.
No better than 7-9 if JC is the starter next year. I’ll take bets on that.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Grow, as QB is the most important decision, I wouldn’t mind if the Raiders take TWO of those project QBs.
Sure beats whatever pointless DB and future backup O-lineman we draft in the 3rd and 4th round.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
whoops, I meant “QB is the most important position.”
February 27th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Alex, I like your comments. I hope you’re the next person they accuse of being me. My apologies to you, however. LOL.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Well if he is indeed willing to take a backup role and still hasn’t found a job, I’m not sure that’s a good sign.
Moreover it’s a HUGE step from college football to pro football. College offenses are nowhere near as complex as pro offenses, and college defenses aren’t nearly as fast or as talented.
He had one pretty fantastic year at LSU, that’s for sure. But something happened. He showed up to the combine 20 pounds heavier than he was at LSU, held out for a huge payday after he was drafted, and after that the rest is history.
Maybe Lucas will help him turn things around. Personally, I’d just like to see JaMarcus clean and sober because it’s sad to see a guy with all the talent in the world bottom out like that. He wasn’t a complete a**hole like Ryan Leaf. Kid was just lazy and immature, which was only compounded by a drug problem.
I don’t see him having an NFL job in 2011. Maybe in the future, but that’s a big maybe. But if he’s just going to sit around and wait for an NFL team to call, it’s going to be a long wait. The best thing he could do for his career is prove he actually has some semblance of competitiveness in him, and take one of the offers he has on the table from the UFL and CFL.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Yep. That’s the route Bresnahan took, and it got him a coaching gig with the Raidahs!
February 27th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
160.RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
The Raiders, nor anyone representing them, have the right to criticize Russell from a football standpoint, as far as I’m concerned, because from a football standpoint, the Raiders did absolutely NOTHING to help him. Nothing, period. Russell’s time here was a waste, for him as well as for the team.
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This is my biggest problem. This over-the-top criticism he received on the field. With the supporting cast and coaching staff provided to him, he can’t be fairly evaluated. And I’m not commenting on his work ethic. I have no clue what he or the other 31 QBs do during the week to get ready for games, so how can I make that judgement? The scouting process determined that he should be a damn good player in the league. From there, it’s up to the team put him in a position to realize his talent. The Raiders failed miserably here starting by messing with him on his 1st contract. When’s the last time the TOP pick had trouble getting his contract done?? The guy came back this past offseason ready to take his job back.
The Raiders owed him the chance to do that.
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So funny I can piss my pants if I’m not careful. HE owed the Raiders. PERIOD. He knew what he was getting into when him and his agent took a lot of Als’ money. Al trusted him. JR was obligated, and he neglected.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
RMR, I think some have already made that accusation before.
Must have something to do with using stats and logic in my arguments. Instead of the more accepted asinine comments like Mystic up there agreeing that “Campbell can be better (than Gannon) because he has a stronger arm!!”
I guess that means Boller will be the best QB of the current bunch, as his arm strength trumps JC’s!
February 27th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
is rmr and alex7 the same person?
February 27th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Gannon shouldn’t be considered one of the great quarterbacks in league history, no doubt
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By what standards, your wet dreams?
February 27th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
KoolKell – you think Gannon SHOULD be considered one of the great quarterbacks in NFL history?
February 27th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Best Picture whoopi goldberg and jamarcus russell in the Color Purple.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Al let JR go cause he was angry. Thats why he wants 9 mil back. He is mad that after 3 years being a Raider, JR produces no results, and maybe Al didn’t like the rumors he believed to be true. Sign me up for 66 mil, and I’ll commit 100%, and won’t blame anybody if I fail. Give me a friggin break. Al did the right thing, so did cable and hue. And that is why Al brought in Campbell, he new JR was done.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
KoolKell – you think Gannon SHOULD be considered one of the great quarterbacks in NFL history?
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HELL NO.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
That’s what I said.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Sorry.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
No problem, I kind of awkwardly phrased it.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
That’s what I said
…………….no you were saying what he said when you said what i said but i didnt say till he said it but afer you said he also said it without saying it.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Al Davis figures he’s taking a run at the Super Bowl this year, imo.
February 27th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Could life get any better for Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers? Fresh off a Super Bowl victory and the Super Bowl MVP award, Rodgers is reaping the rewards of his new-found stardom. This past Thursday, he was seen having drinks with Hollywood belle Mila Kunis. The two were seen at the Sunset Tower Hotel
February 27th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Al Davis Macho Macho Supremo Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Al let JR go cause he was angry. Thats why he wants 9 mil back. He is mad that after 3 years being a Raider, JR produces no results, and maybe Al didn’t like the rumors he believed to be true. Sign me up for 66 mil, and I’ll commit 100%, and won’t blame anybody if I fail. Give me a friggin break. Al did the right thing, so did cable and hue. And that is why Al brought in Campbell, he new JR was done.
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No results??? JR was drafted to a 2-14 team. They won 4 games with him on the bench the next year. He won 5 games his 1st year as a starter, throwing 13 tds and just 8 picks. Oh, we improved to 3rd in the division. The guy got cut for having one bad half year after being given two schitty rookie WRs. And he never complained one time! When the fck did he ever blame anybody????
February 27th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Al Davis looks at his team’s 2-6 non-AFC-west record, his starting QB being benched 3 times last year, and upcoming games this year vs the Patriots, Jets, Packers, Bears, Vikings, and Dolphins…and thinks we’re making a Super Bowl run?
I doubt it.
Last time I checked, we got blown out the last time we played the Steelers, Falcons, Saints, Patriots, Jets, and Giants.
February 27th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Macho Supremo or whatever,
No doubt Russell hosed Al Davis, although I think his agent had more to do with it. But to analyze it from Russell’s end, he’s a talented athlete with a lot of issues, and going to Oakland didn’t help him. The Raiders are not the place for a young athlete that needs development. I would say the first sign that Russell wasn’t determined to win is the fact that he showed up to Oakland in the first place.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 am
[...] Raiders gamble with RFA tenders? (Oakland Tribune) It’s a tact the Raiders could choose with tight end Zach Miller and running back Michael Bush, [...]
February 28th, 2011 at 5:31 am
r8rwill Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
jfb, i will assure you i have no reason to lie, especially to you dude, the years nooldle arm started for minn// 90 /91 /92 his his ratings wer 68.9 71.5 and 72.9 with kc he rated an eighty you do the math..
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That’s the whole point right there at the end.
If you would just, I don’t know, look at the link I gave you, there is no “you do the math” involved.
It is right there for you.
73+ QB rating in Minny
80+ QB rating in KC
You throw in his four starts in Washington and you have a weighted average QB rating of around 74 or 75.
Again, not debating whether that is good or not. Of course it isn’t.
But you threw out a number that you cherry-picked from the sky to support your argument and I called you on it.
Don’t like it, don’t write checks you can’t cash.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:37 am
RaiderDebo says:
When the fck did he ever blame anybody????
I’ve been looking for confirmation that he had a chance to renegotiate. Link??
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Two birds with one stone here.
First, no matter if he was giving the chance to renogiate or not, prior to potential negotiations he went on the record to say he wouldn’t do it (see link below).
As far as blaming anyone? Again see link below, where he gives no credit to Gradkowski in 2009, instead saying players are making plays for Bruce that they weren’t making for him. Basically not taking blame himself, or giving credit to Bruce, just blaming the other teammates.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/10/jamarcus-wont-consider-a-pay-cut/
February 28th, 2011 at 5:49 am
Are you really debating the merits of Jamarshmallow Russell?
February 28th, 2011 at 5:55 am
You know the standard debate against Raider Debo.
According to him, his workout in Washington was “very impressive”.
Even though they didn’t offer him a job, and gave the gig Jamarcus was trying out for to Patrick Ramsey.
Dude is high comedy with this stuff.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:59 am
Hes just a troll like RMR. No other purpose to being here than to spill nonsense.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:01 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Wow, lot of speculations of blow outs this year without a season even in place! LOL
Happy Monday fellas! What’s good for the week?
February 28th, 2011 at 6:04 am
You up on the combine action?
I thought all the QB’s other than Jake Locker, looked like at best 2nd round picks. I know they won’t all be (Gabbert and Newton will go in the top 20 for sure) but they did not look sharp at all.
You got Cam Newton admitting he is not comfortable yet taking a 5 step drop, Mallett with his inability to handle the pressure of some scribes asking him questions for 5 minutes, Kapernick having a variance of about 30 yards in where he was throwing deep balls, and Gabbert doing nothing but running (mistake IMO).
Just an awful, awful year for QB’s in the draft.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:04 am
If ja Marcus is all that an a bag of chips.
Then tell me this, why isn’t he on one of the other…ohh let me see…31 teams in the league roster.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:05 am
Whats crackin’ Hwnrdr. Today is a great day. I get my yearly bonus check (42% of which the greedy government immediatly takes) and I am still celebrating the #24 Drive to End Hunger Chevrolet finally making his way back to Victory Lane in a thriller at Phoenix International Raceway yesterday!
Whats the good word from the combine? I hear the DT from Oregon set a new record in reps on the bench. Whos the ‘freak’ we will be mortgaging a new stadium on… lol
February 28th, 2011 at 6:06 am
Man I tell u,I came to that stadium every week hoping that THIS will be the game the lights come on…….
It never happened. Sad.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:08 am
r8dercain Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:06 am
Man I tell u,I came to that stadium every week hoping that THIS will be the game the lights come on…….
It never happened. Sad.
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How DARE you… dont you know the lights were on for Jamarcus (you could see the twinkle off the bling) it was the OTHER 52 guys on the roster that werent getting the job done… clearly.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:15 am
Good Morning Bcz24…heard about that guy…not sure what his name is, though!
February 28th, 2011 at 6:23 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.HWNRDR,BCZ24.2 MONTHS UNTIL DRAFT.LET THE SPECULATION BEGIN..(OFFICIAL JEFF GORDON HATER)
February 28th, 2011 at 6:26 am
Funny that the draft will still be on despite possibly not having a season this year….
Good Morning Dirt Lot!
February 28th, 2011 at 6:30 am
Sup Dirt-Lot. I am a Jeff Gordon fan because the very first race I watched from start to finish was the inaugural Brickyard race that he won back in what, 1993? I have been a Nascar fan every since and have always stuck by Jeff. I understand why people hate him, just like I understand why people hate the Patriots or the Lakers. They are the best. When you reach the pinnicle everyone will hate. America thrives on the underdog story, because our country grew from humble beginings as the underdog. Its our nature.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:31 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:26 am
Funny that the draft will still be on despite possibly not having a season this year….
Good Morning Dirt Lot!
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The REALLY funny part is, teams will draft these guys, and CANT negotiate a contract for them until there is a CBA. Draft picks might literally spend 3-4 days with their team before they have to play a meaningful game in the NFL if there is no CBA until September as speculated.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:35 am
I DONT HATE ANYONE BCZ24,I DONT HAVE TIME.WAS JUST SEE’N IF U WERE AWAKE THIS MORNING.WHILE NOT MY FAVORITE,I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THE 24 CAR.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:36 am
I know right? I mean…don’t any side understand that they are all being a tad bit greedy and that no matter what…everyone loses billions if there is no NFL this year? The MLB took what? A decade to recover?
February 28th, 2011 at 6:48 am
That was a great collegiate moment.
The issue is how he did it. Lots of running, converting every 3rd and 3 by just taking a shotgun snap and plowing into the line, rinkie-dink pass plays and the like.
That just doesn’t translate to the way the game is played in the NFL.
Same issues with Tebow, VY, Cam and also Kapernick. The way they have experienced success will not work in the NFL, and that’s why guys who stand in the pocket like Stafford, Sanchez, Bradford and hell even Jamarcus go much earlier in the draft.
Cam has all the talent in the world, but now he has to find a way for it to work in the NFL, and it is a big transition in the way he is accustomed to playing.
I don’t understand why you can’t wrap your head around this.
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Why did the Dolphins use the wild cat? The Oilers the run-and-shoot, Buffalo’s K-Gun…it all depends on the co-ordinator. Did Aaron Rodgers just stand in the pocket, or did he make plays on the move? Didnt Rothlisberger?
Thats just silly and assinine to think any co-ordinator with a half-decent imagination could get Cam to execute – me thinks some race and haterism is seeping into the argument. Fortunately Vick nor V-Y nor McNabb never made it to the next level…i would love to completely SHATTER that dumb stereo-type to smithereens – and Id love for Tebow, Kaepernick, Newton and Mallet to be the next wave of great QB’s just to rub people’s nose in this “pocket b.s.”
February 28th, 2011 at 6:59 am
I like that last thread referencing an elephant and JaMarcus
February 28th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Good morning all.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Thats just silly and assinine to think any co-ordinator with a half-decent imagination could get Cam to execute – me thinks some race and haterism is seeping into the argument. Fortunately Vick nor V-Y nor McNabb never made it to the next level…i would love to completely SHATTER that dumb stereo-type to smithereens – and Id love for Tebow, Kaepernick, Newton and Mallet to be the next wave of great QB’s just to rub people’s nose in this “pocket b.s.”
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Ignorance at its finest. You make a BS claim of racism where none is present. You then prop up a bunch of examples of proof to the contrary (none of whom won a superbowl) and say you cant wait for someone to prove us wrong… Well Champ, let me help you out. In 45 Super Bowls so far only ONE “rushing QB” (Steve Young) has won a Super Bowl (and lets face it, Steve Young was a pretty damn good pocket QB).
Dolphins – abandoned the WildCat because people caught on and made it ineffective
Oilers – won ZERO super bowls with their run and shoot
Buffalo – LOST 4 super bowls in a row with the KGun
Aaron Rodgers – scrambles when necessary, but is a pocket passer no question
Roethlisburger – incredible outside of the pocket, but still a passer, not a runner, he is just incredibly hard to tackle.
McNabb- Made it to a Super Bowl and lost
Vick – best season as a pro was this year when he started to realize that you CAN sit in the pocket and make some throws
VY – about to get cut by his team… yeah hes probably a poor example for you to use
Did I cover everyone that you propped up?
February 28th, 2011 at 7:08 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:36 am
I know right? I mean…don’t any side understand that they are all being a tad bit greedy and that no matter what…everyone loses billions if there is no NFL this year? The MLB took what? A decade to recover?
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I dont think the players are being greedy in this. Lets face it, the billions are being made, the players are entitled to their fair share, they are the ones putting life and limb on the line. If the owners are being truthful about their cry for poverty it should be no problem for them to open their books. Thing is the owners cry for poverty is simply them make 15-20 % profit when they want to be around 35-40%.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:11 am
jfb, i don’t write checks dude.. the number i gave you is for the seasons gannon STARTED. for minn and kc. his net average rating is for all the games he played in, big difference.. when he wasn’t the starter his stats are higher because he came in in losing situations or to mop up when nothing was on the line.
sad you want to suck on his wang sooo badly you overlook the point the man was a noodle armed prick!! gannon came to oakland at a great time, pure luck from his point, not about his skills…
iwill reiterate for you,, i’m at all the home games, you know where my seat is, if you have a problem with me come talk to me vis-a-vis…don’t thro empty threats dude, it makes you look stupid..
February 28th, 2011 at 7:13 am
Not going to try and say that I know all the answers to sovle the CBA butI think there should be a big sign saying “check your ego’s at the door”.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:15 am
What with all the Gannon talk this weekend?
February 28th, 2011 at 7:17 am
sad you want to suck on his wang sooo badly you overlook the point the man was a noodle armed prick!!
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When someone uses wang and prick in the same sentence, that’s when I bail from the argument.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:18 am
Yes, that is true, the players are the one’s putting their lives on the line! And I’ll retract my statement by saying that the owners are way too whatevers! I like Neils statement about check your egos at the door!
February 28th, 2011 at 7:19 am
good morning nation,
i want to apologize to the nation for my jfb outburst, it is out of character for me i think..i have a pet peeve about guys who talk big doodoo behind their key board.. when someone calls me a liar i like it to be to my face..it is only civilized..
February 28th, 2011 at 7:20 am
the number i gave you is for the seasons gannon STARTED. for minn and kc. his net average rating is for all the games he played in, big difference.. when he wasn’t the starter his stats are higher because he came in in losing situations or to mop up when nothing was on the line.
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How stupid is that?
Why don’t we just use EVERY PASS he threw?
February 28th, 2011 at 7:22 am
Not talking big “doo-doo”, I am curious how you came up with 70.1
No link, no stats, no rationalization of how you came up with it, not accurate, just “you do the math”, come fight me, and Gannon has a noodle-arm.
Comical.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:22 am
The greatest running QB in history only made it to one(from what I remember) conference championship, and lost.
Good morning gents!
February 28th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Jim Brown?
February 28th, 2011 at 7:24 am
JFB, you are trying to talk sense with someone that believes Russell is a great QB.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:27 am
Jim Brown??? Randall Cunningham.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:28 am
R8rwill,
Look man, obviously Gannon had a below average arm, and could be a jerk.
But that’s what the Raiders need, a passionate jerk at QB who demands the best from his teammates, and a guy who understands the nuances of the game and isn’t just trying to throw the ball as hard as possible.
Jason Campbell was really at his best, when he played Rich Gannon type football. Crisp passes, hitting the RB in stride out of the flat, and working the intermediate routes.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:29 am
These run and gun guys just dont get it man. Tom Brady is a little more athletic than Gumby and 20 years from now he will probably be considered one of the top 3 greatest qbs of all time. Peyton Manning hasnt run for a first down since 1993 in his backyard against Eli and his little friends, and I am pretty sure that he will also be in the top 3 of all time, however the fact that he only won one SB my hurt his standing there.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Sorry Carl,my bad.I really should read the full post.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:33 am
Carl Weathers Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 7:27 am
Randall Cunningham.
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Cunningham #1 and Vick is #2, neither have ever played in a Super Bowl. Vick, however, if he continues to develop his game under Reid and improves on his pocket passing could very well win one. Steve Young is #3 all time, and he won one SB, but I think at least imo, Young was considered just as good a pocket passer and a he was a rusher. He is the exception to the rule though.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:34 am
neilb Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Sorry Carl,my bad.I really should read the full post.
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No, I think it was much funnier when you thought Jim Brown was the best rushing QB ever.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:35 am
What type of QB would you consider Joe Montana to be? Pains me to say that I can remember him doing it all.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:36 am
243.bcz24 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 7:34 am
neilb Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Sorry Carl,my bad.I really should read the full post.
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No, I think it was much funnier when you thought Jim Brown was the best rushing QB ever.
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I’ll tell you what’s funny.I never saw Brown play.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Gonna check to see if Brown ever attempted a pass.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:39 am
I’ll tell you what’s funny.I never saw Brown play.
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I never saw him play either to be honest. Way before my time. I have seen a few highlights, and from what I saw he basically looked like Adrian Peterson running against a bunch of high school students. He was just physically that far ahead of those guys back then.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Jim Brown completed 4 of his 12 passing attempts for his career
February 28th, 2011 at 7:47 am
Jim Brown was 4-12 for 117 yards and 3 TDs for a 110.1 rating. LOL
February 28th, 2011 at 7:48 am
As usual someone is really going over board with double standards. So Rogers and rapistburgers are athletic qbs, & mcnabb by & vick are rushing qbs?
Why is it any time a black qb is athletic he gets called a “running” qb?
Please stop even in college mcnabb was a pass first qb.
With newton as with vick people are so enamored with his ability to make plays outside of the pocket they discount their ability too pass the ball.
Oh well I guess that helps people level the playing field in their own minds.
Newton is head & shoulders above any qb in this draft. Don’t fool yourself
February 28th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Steve young, elway, Roger the dodger, Arron Rodgers, all mobile qbs, all super bowl winners!
Next!
February 28th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Good Morning 24, Neilb, Carl, Vegas, Mistic & Will…Raider Nation!
February 28th, 2011 at 7:57 am
I said steve young won a Super Bowl genius, 3 times today. Elway is not considered a traditional ‘running QB’ and certainly didnt win a SB with his legs. Aaron Rodgers is very dangerous when he rushes, even led the league in rushing for a qb in 2009, but he still wins games (super bowl included) with his arm and ability to pass. Roethlisberger is NOT a rushing qb. He breaks the pocket and moves around in the backfield, but RARELY runs for positive yardage. Vick WAS a run first QB in his time with ATL, and was never very successful. He was a much better passer this year, and could win a SB in the next few years.
Do not try and twist this into a race topic dude. That is just plain ignorance on your part.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:58 am
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Two birds with one stone here.
First, no matter if he was giving the chance to renogiate or not, prior to potential negotiations he went on the record to say he wouldn’t do it (see link below).
As far as blaming anyone? Again see link below, where he gives no credit to Gradkowski in 2009, instead saying players are making plays for Bruce that they weren’t making for him. Basically not taking blame himself, or giving credit to Bruce, just blaming the other teammates.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/10/jamarcus-wont-consider-a-pay-cut/
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Dude, who the hell cares what he said in public? Yesterday, you gave SPECIFIC renegotiation numbers. Just admit it, you completely made that up! As far as the link is concerned, you’re really stretching. The guy was answering a question. He said what anyone who watched the game could see plain as day. Guess you’re back to “reading between the lines again”. Thanks for the link though. It reminded me of the lucky horeshoe up Bruise’s ass against Pitt. Think you could do me one more favor? Send me a link showing Patrick Ramsay being signed by Washington. I’ll give you a hint. Didn’t happen.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Gannon fans is mcnabb better than bich Gannon?
Better career numbers for a longer period of time. Like Gannon played in a superbowl, he also went to 5 conference championships.
Is he a great qb? If Gannon is than mcnabb has to be… Right?
February 28th, 2011 at 8:06 am
okay jfb, have it your way, gannon was a winner and a great quarter back…if you think so that is all that matters to you..
i loved the man when he was a raider, and appreciate what he did for our team, but i can’t begin to call him great or attribute his winning record in oakland to him. he was nothing more than an average journeyman before he came here.. not great nor a ‘winner’ and he went out the same way…
February 28th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Neither of Gannon & McNabb are great QB’s. They’ve had some great statistical season but that’s about it. If you want to give the name bich to anyone, it should be McNabb. What kind of wuss pukes on the final drive of a SB game!
February 28th, 2011 at 8:25 am
if you asked me to choose between gannon and mcnabb i would pick mcnabb, he had/has an arm, gannon never did.. neither one is a great qb but i’ll bet mcnabbs qb rating is higher than gannons nine out of ten
February 28th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Dante Moch just ran a 4.4.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Nevada DE/OLB Dontay Moch was clocked unofficially at 4.35 in the forty Monday at the NFL Combine. It’s a ridiculous time for a guy that measured at …
February 28th, 2011 at 8:39 am
If people took half of the amount of time they spend arguing about stupid shiz on this blog and used it to volunteer in the community or spend time with their families, the world would be a better place. That having been said…..Nnamdi will play in the AFC west next season. It just wont be in Oakland.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:40 am
According to Eisen and Mayock, Moch’s first was a 4.4 and his second was a 4.48.
Even if it’s not a 4.41 like was rumored, for a guy his size that’s pretty great.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:40 am
top of the morning ray, have you been watching the combine?? what did robert sands do on saturday??
February 28th, 2011 at 8:41 am
4.1*
February 28th, 2011 at 8:41 am
there are 5 teams where I will be pissed if Nnamdi goes there…
1,2,3…any team in the West
4. SF
5. NE
I hope you’re wrong, JFB!
February 28th, 2011 at 8:42 am
moch has good numbers just doesnt show it in games…
February 28th, 2011 at 8:42 am
I am JWB not JFB, but I hope so too.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:43 am
I don’t think any team in the AFC West needs a CB enough to pay what Nnamdi will want.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Yes double standards are running rampant in here. Anyone that tells me that elway was not a running qb but cunningham was is full of it. Elway was a running qb, of course when he got older he couldnt move like he once did, but that has nothing to do with him winning the superbowl. he had a better team when he won. by the way he picked up a crucial firts down running in that game beating bret favre.
What is the difference between a “running” qb and an “athletic” qb? its semantics, and it is hype used to discredit mobile qbs, and black qbs in particular. That is a double standard any way you slice it.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Just Win Baby Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 8:42 am
I am JWB not JFB, but I hope so too.
Sorry. took a quick glance! My bad…I’ll never make that mistake agian!
February 28th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Don’t know Carl…I’m thinking 4.57ish
I haven’t heard his name mentioned!
They probably haven’t gottin to the FS yet?
February 28th, 2011 at 8:52 am
The other big double standard here is that so called running qbs dont win. the argument goes like this, manning brady and so on won, and only young was the only running qb to win.
This argument is false. Not only does that discredit the running ability of elway, staubach, thiesman ( he was a punt returner when he came to the nfl) and rodgers, but it doesnt prove anything.
For every so called running qb that didnt win, (mcnabb, mcnair) there are 100s more pocket qbs that lost, and some are considered the greatest to ever play. Foutts and marino come to mind. So if losing counts against mobile qbs why doesnt it count against pocket passers. Why is guy that has the ability to run not considered a pocket passer?
The only thing that this weak argument, or ridiculous hype proves is that qbs that can run are a rare commodity and they posses a very unique skill set.
Where do you put guys that won and lost super bowls, like thiesman, & elway?
Please dont make these garbage, lame points that cant be defended or supported by facts. Its just weak.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:58 am
john clayton was on mike & mike this morning and said cam newton really impressed at the combine. he said that even though he went 11 for 21 in drills, his throwing motion and his arm were unbelievably good. he was also very impressed with cams interview process, and said teams will fall in love with this kid.
Cam Newton is the class of the qb draft, and it isnt even close.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:59 am
I would clasify Rodgers as a mobile QB. Not rapesfurburgers though. He only runs when all else is taken away.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:06 am
There’s an elephant in the room at the NFL scouting combine, and it’s name is JaMarcus Russell
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Jer called the franchise player JaElephant?
He won’t be getting a Christmas card from Debo!
February 28th, 2011 at 9:07 am
what’s up fellas?
CW, Mistic, ray, Hwnrdr, YA …
February 28th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Whats up RR…what happened with OKL. beating L.A. in 7??
Wasn’t that you who said that?
February 28th, 2011 at 9:10 am
February 28th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Smart move by the Raiders to gamble with RFA tenders imo
Mike Bush & Zach Miller want to be Raiders and Hue Jackson’s offense can’t live without them. Reece needs to be locked up as well, but I think he’s unrestricted
just tender these two at the highest possible level and if some other team comes knocking with an offer, match it!
too bad we had to put the tag on Wimbley … I hope he agrees to a long-term deal (his guaranteed money will likely be more than $10 million anyway)
February 28th, 2011 at 9:13 am
what happened with OKL. beating L.A. in 7??
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I said Dallas & San Antonio, I thought?
I did post “go OKC!” on twitter though
February 28th, 2011 at 9:15 am
when is the deadline for a CBA?
isn’t it less than a week from now ???
are they even nearing a deal?
February 28th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Mornin’ RRS.
3/3 I believe.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:17 am
nevermind.
March 3rd!
everybody will be in panic mode in here on Friday
February 28th, 2011 at 9:18 am
back to the grind.
BBL
February 28th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Morning peoples!
February 28th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Cam Newton had trouble with hitting a ten yard out and was very inaccurate on alot of throws. Too much hype for me.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Hmm…after watching the combine and the O-Line. The other player I would like to see Oakland trade up for besides Pouncey is of course if necessary….STEFAN WISNEWSKI.
You can tell by watching him go thru drills, that he does everything right by using great technique and footwork. Of course he will be smart disciplined player as well.
He has got bigger and stronger. He checked in at a solid 6′3, 313. The Raiders should definitely look to develop him as a big Center!
The other O-Lineman I liked was TCU Marcus Cannon. He would be a big and nasty RG or RT prospect for the Raiders.
This draft will be deep on the D-Line, LB and kinda deep at the O-Line positions.
The RB I like is the kid from Syracuse. Delone Carter. His style kinda reminds me of a Michael Turner, but he is a bit faster.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Just heard Mark Domenick, GM for the Bucs, on Sirius. He went on an on about how impressed he was that Newton showed up at the combine and threw. Said it showed how much confidence he has in his ability and his competitveness. What do ya think JFB? Isn’t this the schitt you get off on??
February 28th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Meh.
Cam Newton= Vince Young
Nothing special in the NFL
February 28th, 2011 at 9:49 am
It’s the stuff both me and Hue Jackson get off on.
Remember Hue was asked what his #1 quality in a QB was, and he said “the ability to lead men.”
#1 Quality!!!
So care to bet on Cam Newton being the first QB taken??
February 28th, 2011 at 9:51 am
McShay said on Mike and Mike today multiple team sources told him they were turned off by Cam Newton in the individual interviews.
He also said many team sources told him they loved him.
McShay than said, that all of them could be lying to play poker on his draft status.
So who knows.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Having watched a lot of newton, the one thing that doesnt get noticed is also his biggest asset in my opinion. Leadership.
This guy is the kind of player that teammates love and rally around. When the chips were down he didnt yell at everybody like phil cry me a rivers, or bich gannon. he would calmly return to the bench with cool confidence. The game vs bama and south carolina he clearly put the team on his back, not just with his ability passing and running, but with his attitude. His teammates followed his lead.
With all of the allegations he didnt even blink, and everyone on that entire campus respected cam.
This dude is a winner and a true leader, and has the personality that coaches and players love!
i would take this kid in a heart beat, not only is he freak of a specimen athletically, but he has the so called intangibles and it factor that infects every one he is around. I cant remember a guy that i have ever watched that has this exact combination of attributes. he is a once in a generation player.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 8:58 am
john clayton was on mike & mike this morning
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I listened from 6:30 to 8 am and didn’t hear him on the show.
Just went to the show in review, no mention of Clayon on the show today.
When was it on so I can go through the podcast?
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=mikeandmike
February 28th, 2011 at 9:54 am
The article I read said Newton wan not impressive at the combine.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Dude, who the hell cares what he said in public? Yesterday, you gave SPECIFIC renegotiation numbers. Just admit it, you completely made that up! As far as the link is concerned, you’re really stretching. The guy was answering a question. He said what anyone who watched the game could see plain as day. Guess you’re back to “reading between the lines again”. Thanks for the link though. It reminded me of the lucky horeshoe up Bruise’s ass against Pitt. Think you could do me one more favor? Send me a link showing Patrick Ramsay being signed by Washington. I’ll give you a hint. Didn’t happen.
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Wow on so many levels.
On the renegotiations, it is pretty standard. Player X has a $9 million salary, 4 guaranteed. Teams says we won’t pay you $9 million this year, you renogiate to a more cap-friendly number and the guaranteed amount goes up. Common sense. IF the Raiders offered to renegotiate, OBVIOUSLY, it would have been to guarantee Jamarcus more money, but reduce his annual salary. That’s how those things work.
Patrick Ramsey outdueled Jamarcus in Miami, and got signed. That’s what I was referencing.
And who cares what he said publicly?? You asked me when he didn’t take blame, and there is was, from his lips to your ears.
February 28th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Anyone hear the clips of crazy Charlie on some morning show today? Dude is really losing it! His ego is nearly as big as Cam Newton ;D
February 28th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Arizona DE Brooks Reed’s 4.68 official forty time tied for third among all defensive ends at the Combine.
Dontay Moch of Nevada led the pack with a 4.44 official time, the fastest by any defensive end since the 2000 Combine. Fresno State’s Chris Carter was a distant second at 4.62. Reed and Texas’ Sam Acho tied for third at 4.68.
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Don’t know about this guy Moch too much, but w/ that speed, you gotta think he has Al’s attention.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Who cares what anyone does at the combine. See Vernon Gholston.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Cant compare cam newton and vince young, they are on two different planets.
Young is not the passer that newton is, and there is a grand canyon that separates them in this department. As a passer young has a strange delivery that at times works against his accuracy. cam has one of the smoothest throwing motions in the draft and it is nfl ready. Cam is more like vick was as a passer coming into the draft, easy effortless throwing motion, just needs to improve his footwork to be more accurate.
Biggest difference between these two is between the ears. Young doesnt handle adversity well at all. i dont mean adversity on the field. young can come from behind doesnt get rattled by the pass rush. but when he gets sacked by his coach he falls apart. he hasnt proven to be a leader.
Cam on the other hand has nerves of steel. to be able to win the hiesman, and the national title, while in the midst of one of the ugliest media frenzy in history was true grit. not to mention going undefeated with a team that doesnt even win 6 games with out him.
nope no comparison at all
February 28th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Moch at 4.44
I know those 4.2 reports were bogus.
If the kid could run a 4.2, he would be playing at Florida and not Reno.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:03 am
# Carl Weathers Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Who cares what anyone does at the combine. See Vernon Gholston.
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Bruce Campbell….
OUCH!!!!!!
Hopefully we’ll see what he’s got this season.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:05 am
JFB,
it may have been john kincaide show yesterday morning. either way clayton said good things especially about the interview process
February 28th, 2011 at 10:07 am
The thing with Cam is that he almost had as many rushing attempts as passing attempts (really close by college throws in sacks as an attempt so that kind of skews the numbers).
Basically per game, he averaged around 20 passes and 18 runs.
In the NFL, it will have to be around 30 passes and 7 runs.
Big change in philosophy for all these QB’s who ran so much in college. That’s why at the combine, they aren’t having them practice taking shotgun snaps and juking LB’s. They are having them take a crisp 5 step drop, and through a timing out route.
We will see if he makes the transition, but to deny that a transition will be needed is ludicrous.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:07 am
And McShay (who was actually on Mike and Mike this morning) said the opposite.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:09 am
This Herzlich kid makes me feel like a piece of s***. I couldn’t run a 4.9 40 yard dash if my life depended on it, and he’s doing it with a metal rod in his leg.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:10 am
I think Gabbert goes top 10, Locker and Newton go in the 11-25 range.
Locker could very well go ahead of Newton. Highest football IQ of any QB in this draft, and on par athletically with Newton (faster, just as much arm if not more, and a MLB level outfielder).
February 28th, 2011 at 10:10 am
290.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 9:49 am
It’s the stuff both me and Hue Jackson get off on.
Remember Hue was asked what his #1 quality in a QB was, and he said “the ability to lead men.”
#1 Quality!!!
So care to bet on Cam Newton being the first QB taken??
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Newton= another overhyped player like Tebow
Newton= Vince Young
Newton= nothing special in the NFL
February 28th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Mark my words…..Cam Newton will not be anything special in the NFL.
The team that drafts him and starts him right away, is going to be paying for it.
He doesn’t know how to play in a pro style attack.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:16 am
JFb,
So what! He ran the offense that he was in, that doesnt mean he wont be able to run a different offense in the nfl.
macnabb, and vick didnt run a west coast offense in college, they have had success with ried.. Brady didnt run a spread in college, is there any question about him running a spread effectively now?
Ill say it one more time, stop saying that because a guy CAN run, that he HAS to run to be good in the pros. cam is as good a passer coming into the nfl as anybody I can remember, and a better passer than many qbs that have had very good or great careers as a pro.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:16 am
On the renegotiations, it is pretty standard. Player X has a $9 million salary, 4 guaranteed. Teams says we won’t pay you $9 million this year, you renogiate to a more cap-friendly number and the guaranteed amount goes up. Common sense. IF the Raiders offered to renegotiate, OBVIOUSLY, it would have been to guarantee Jamarcus more money, but reduce his annual salary. That’s how those things work.
Patrick Ramsey outdueled Jamarcus in Miami, and got signed. That’s what I was referencing.
And who cares what he said publicly?? You asked me when he didn’t take blame, and there is was, from his lips to your ears.
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Another way of saying “I’m pulling these numbers out of my ass”. Lol! Nice try. The point I’m making about the Skins is that they didn’t sign anyone after that tryout. Shanahan was doing his due dilligence for 2011. The fact that he called JR backs up reports that he liked him coming out of LSU and wanted to see where he was at. Jason La Canfora sees Washington as a possible landing spot for him. Of course a lot depends on the draft. Finally, it was never about whether he accepted blame. He did that on Outside the Lines. I ‘m saying that he never blamed anyone else or pointed fingers when the whole world could see he was surrounded by schitt. The guy was a class act, period. That bullschitt link doesn’t say a damn thing.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:19 am
locker has arm strength, may be on par with newton in terms of strength. But locker is a turn over machine, newton is not. locker threw terrible ints , not newton.
Gabbert put up numbers put played in the big 12 where there is no defense. newton had a better year, won more games, won the heisman and toyed with the big boys in the sec.
who ever picks a qb and doesnt take newton first, is a complete joke.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:25 am
A source told Pro Football Talk that radar gun readings have shown Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick to have the strongest arm among quarterbacks throwing at the NFL Combine.
Kaepernick’s best throw came in at 59 miles per hour — one MPH faster than Ryan Mallett’s best throw and three MPH faster than Cam Newton’s. FOX Sports’ Adam Caplan has said that in addition to velocity, Kaepernick was throwing “the nicest ball” at the Combine. Also the owner of a blazing 4.53 forty, Kaepernick is looking like a possible second-round pick.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
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I think he’s the sleeper of QB’s. Draft him and let him sit his first year.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Dude throws darts!!! But still needs some work.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Reminds me of 07 draft banter.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:26 am
This Mason Foster kid from Washington is definitely worth a look in the second or third round. Could be a perfect fit for the Raiders at WLB. Would make that linebacking corps downright terrifying.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Josh freeman ran a version of a spread option in college. he is one of the best young qbs in the nfl, and was the best qb in his class bar none. he was down graded because they said he didnt run a pro offense, and was considered an “athlete” playing qb.
how did that work out?
February 28th, 2011 at 10:27 am
The Raiders are not expected to bring back RG Cooper Carlisle in 2011.
Carlisle turns 34 this summer and is due $2.5 million, which appears to be too much for a guard who no longer fits Oakland’s scheme. With Tom Cable on the way out, the Raiders are transitioning from a zone to power-blocking system.
Source: Oakland Tribune
February 28th, 2011 at 10:31 am
# DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 10:27 am
The Raiders are not expected to bring back RG Cooper Carlisle in 2011.
Carlisle turns 34 this summer and is due $2.5 million, which appears to be too much for a guard who no longer fits Oakland’s scheme. With Tom Cable on the way out, the Raiders are transitioning from a zone to power-blocking system.
Source: Oakland Tribune
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Ladies and gentlemen, meet Bruce Campbell, your 2011 starting right guard.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Freeman was not considered an “athlete” playing QB.
He ran a 4.9 forty.
He was downgraded because he really only had one good year in college and had 44 TD and 34 INT (not a great ratio).
Besides he still went #17, right around where Cam will be drafted.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Debo,
Just clue me in when Jamarcus is on a team again, all right?
Your making me head spin with all your nonsense.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:35 am
im super excited to see b campbell unleashed. Cable buried him on the bench in favor of his pets, and that crappy zbs.
Im glad hujack city is taking us black to the future, and returning us to our power blocking giant line man roots.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:37 am
UCLA LB Akeem Ayers recorded disappointing forty times of 4.80 and 4.83 at the Scouting Combine Monday.
NFL Network’s Mike Mayock referred to Ayers as, “not quite as explosive as I thought he’d be.” Ayers was previously considered a mid first-round prospect, but the slower-than-anticipated times could easily knock him into the back end of the first round. Barring an unexpectedly terrific 10-yard split time, we’ll be moving Ayers down a ways in our next mock draft.
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Those times will definitely hurt is draft status.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Bruce Campbell will be interesting.
Intersting to see if they change positions for him as well. Being that they are seperating themselves from anything and everything Tom Cable, and it surely seemed to be a Cable idea to play him at G, that will be intersting to see how it plays out.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Which WR’s and DB’s had the best combined 40 and cone drill times?
That’s who Al is looking at…
February 28th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Looks like the draft is deep at LB. Hope we draft a solid WLB.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:50 am
4.44 as a DE/LB- that’s as a DE/LB
Moche just moved up on Raider’s draft board and many other GMs and coaches
4.44 as a MLB- Wilson just moved up draft boards as well
February 28th, 2011 at 10:52 am
JFb.
Im sorry you are wring on freeman, his slow combine 40 time has nothing to do with it.
Any time he took the field in college, the first thing out of the mouths of commentators was the obligatory “this kid is an amazing athelete”.
The knock was he didnt run a pro offense, and was more of an “athelete” than a qb because of shaky decision making ,poor mechanics, and erratic accuracy.
February 28th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Raiders act quickly to keep potential free agents
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-freeagency
February 28th, 2011 at 11:06 am
I’ve never heard of a QB barely able to squeek under a 5.0 forty getting labeled an “athlete” not a QB.
I never heard it, but apparently you did.
Maybe you also heard it from John Clayon on Mike and Mike this morning, lol.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Locker could very well go ahead of Newton. Highest football IQ of any QB in this draft, and on par athletically with Newton (faster, just as much arm if not more, and a MLB level outfielder).
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You think Locker moved himself back into the first round after the garbage season he had? I know he had a good combine, but I thought up to last week Locker was considered a second round prospect?
February 28th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Tommie harris cut by the bears, I would love to see him or shaun rodgers in camp
February 28th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Jfb,
You dont matter, noone on this board is important enough for me to lie to.
Get over yourself
February 28th, 2011 at 11:11 am
do we really need to post the list again of “Great college QB’s” that cant play pro ball?
VY
Troy smith
Matt Leinart
Danny Wuerffel
Jason White
Eric Couch
Chris Weinke
Ryan Leaf
Charlie Ward
Gino Torretta
and finally Cam Newton
But the biggest reason I think Newton will fail in the NFL is that he is more interested in being a celebrity than an NFL QB….as per his own words.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:11 am
you have a bigger ego than bich gannon ( your hero)
February 28th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Redskins released RB Clinton Portis. Wouldn’t mind seeing CP in a silver and black uni. (only if Bush walks)
February 28th, 2011 at 11:12 am
If they’re letting Carlisle go because he costs too much for a player that doesn’t fit the new scheme, I wonder what that means for Gallery.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Newton doesnt compare to anoyne on your list.
His comments dont mean he is more interested in being a celebrity. that is pure conjecture and blind speculation
February 28th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Mike and Mike shows ends at 7am pacific.
You posted that you heard some things from John Clayton on that show less than 3 hours later. Immediately after getting called on it (I still don’t whether he was on the half hour or so I wasn’t listening) you changed your story to that it was yesterday.
So either you were streeeeeetching the truth, lying or forget what you did 3 hours ago.
(And yes I have a colossal ego)
February 28th, 2011 at 11:17 am
It’ll be interesting to see the offensive line take shape this offseason. They’re not going to plug LG, C, AND RT/RG with rookies. You have to think they’re going to need to take a long, hard look at signing some outside FAs to come in and compete for a starting job.
They should bring back at least Satele and Loper because they’ll be pretty inexpensive. Henderson is a question mark, but he’s a favorite of the owner. Gallery will have plenty of options on the open market, one of which would be following Cable to Seattle.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:18 am
who was the only player that could make that work? A celebrity and football player?
February 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Redskins released RB Clinton Portis. Wouldn’t mind seeing CP in a silver and black uni. (only if Bush walks)
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Clinton Portis is washed up man. He makes DMac look like Iron Man when it comes to the injury category. I wouldnt be surprised if Portis is out of the league.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Peter King has the whole transcript on his MMQB.
King clearly states that Newton made a point of letting people know he wants to be a celebrity and icon, and than when King tweeted it, some Newton goon called King and started going off on him.
Too funny.
Newton attempted to clear it up on NFLN yesterday, but I don’t really know what he was getting at that “he not only is going to sell football cleats, but lifestyle apparel”. I think he is just talking about what Under Armour sells, so no issues there.
You would think Bus Cook would just have him say, I want to be the best QB in the world, win Super Bowls, do some ads, and date super-models just like Tom Brady, but I know I have to win first before any of that will happen.
The whole thing would go away immediately.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:23 am
I knew you were bit slow but seriously Newton compares to everyone on that list because they are all Heisman Trophy winning QB’s that were supposed to be great NFL QB’s
How is it that he does not compare to them?
Where is your logic?
Also I was quoting him not speculation as you so insist.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:26 am
JFB, he is now going to tell you the Peter King is a hack and he doesnt know what he is talking about…
February 28th, 2011 at 11:27 am
“Newton made a point of letting people know he wants to be a celebrity and icon”
Why didn’t he say he wants to be a great NFL Qb and win multiple SB like Brady….he didn’t say those things because they are not his goals…his goals are to be an Icon and or Celebrity.
Not my words but his own words….so maybe you should take a basic reading class Mystic
February 28th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Best two players in this draft.
Hands Down.
WR – Juilio Jones – Alabama. Pending health will have the biggest impact as a rookie.
DL – Nick Fairley – Auburn. As long as he plays in a
4-3 defensive system, he will be a monster.
Cam Newton is a top 5 pick. Try him out as QB first.(if he fails there, try TE, etc.)
I think he can get it done. Him being compared to Vince Young is NOT a bad thing.
A developed/polished dual threat pass/run QB is a rare player.
But they have to learn how to become a Pass first QB.
Steve Young, John Elway, Steve McNair, Randall Cunningham, Mike Vick and even Vince Youngall give Def nightmares when they gameplan.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:27 am
# bcz24 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Redskins released RB Clinton Portis. Wouldn’t mind seeing CP in a silver and black uni. (only if Bush walks)
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Clinton Portis is washed up man. He makes DMac look like Iron Man when it comes to the injury category. I wouldnt be surprised if Portis is out of the league.
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Bcz,
You pretty good at the stats thing. Just interested to see what his stats were last 2 years? Probably not much because he’s been injured.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:28 am
49 reps I it would be awesome if the Raiders drafted OSU’ s S. Paea
February 28th, 2011 at 11:28 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 11:18 am
who was the only player that could make that work? A celebrity and football player?
$$$$$$$$$$
Does “Neon” Deon “Primetime” Sanders count?
February 28th, 2011 at 11:29 am
JFB,
I listen to espn radio often, John clayton is on a lot of espn radio. So it doesnt matter if it was mike and mike john kincade or any other espn show. I have been working 12 hour days staring at 4:30 am, and i am on the 8th day of a 16 straight day grinder.
Bottom line is john clayton said it, & i beleive it.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:30 am
I think I have come to the conclusion that the two players the Raiders should target with their first pick in the 2nd Round should be either:
C- Stefan Wisnewski 6′3, 313.
or
RT/RG- Marcus Cannon 6′5, 350.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Mack,
I really, really like Nick Fairley, but he has lost something close to 20 pounds since the season ended, and Peter King hinted that multiple league sources told him that Dareus will definately go ahead of Fairley.
I never seen a guy dominate like Fairley did at times last year, but I think he has dropped out of the top 5 amongst the NFL teams.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am
The quote i read said “entertainer & icon” not celebrity.
However sports biz is entertainment biz, players that see the field are entertainers. icon simply means all time great, jordan, ali so on.
I dont have a problem with someone that wants to be great.
why does anyone have a problem with newton even if he did want to make commercials. manning makes commercials, so does breese.
Big hype about a bunch of nothing
February 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Well get some sleep than!!
You got to understand my position, I was listening to Mike and Mike all morning, and the only thing on was McShay saying the opposite of Clayton.
Than you come on and say you heard it on Mike and Mike, and I’m like I was just listening to it and heard no such thing.
I stick to facts, and won’t shy from calling someone else on something.
Here’s the Peter King link on Cam, some positive some negative.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/02/28/combine/1.html
February 28th, 2011 at 11:37 am
I think I have come to the conclusion that the TWO players the Raiders should target with their first pick in the 2nd Round should be either:
C- Stefan Wisnewski 6′3, 313.
or
RT/RG- Marcus Cannon 6′5, 350.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:37 am
newton makes a comment about icons and enteratiner and get killed. mallet blows off questions about sippin purple drank, and noone even blinks in here.
double standards, as usual
February 28th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Manning and Brees didn’t have the negative off-the-field stuff that Cam had to endure coming into the league.
And Manning and Brees didn’t ask or declare themselves to be an entertainer and icon, they just put in the work and did it.
That’s the issue here.
No one will have a problem with Cam being an entertainer if he is a good QB. People will laugh all that stuff off. But people have a problem with someone wanting something they haven’t put the work in for.
Besides, Tebow didn’t get a ton of good press following his commercial last year in the Super Bowl, and was certainly raked over the coals but your ilk.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:39 am
JFB,
maybe you are in a habit of lying on sports blogs, and thats why you look to catch other people doing it.
im simply not wired that way bra
February 28th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Its an over reaction and doesnt mean he doesnt want to be the best qb he can.
there is more attention to that sound bite, than the fact that he has been working like a dog to improve his game.
working out with warren moon tells me he is focused. his un deniable gym sculpted body tells me he is a hard worker.
the fact that he scrapped and fought to get his shot to start in college, even going to a junior college, tells me he cares.
his on the field performance, undefeated season, hiesman trophy, national title tell me he is a hard worker.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:43 am
a good football player is an entertainer.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Mistic why are you all over Cams nuts why are you sucking his juice so hard what did he do for you?
February 28th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Mack,
I really, really like Nick Fairley, but he has lost something close to 20 pounds since the season ended, and Peter King hinted that multiple league sources told him that Dareus will definately go ahead of Fairley.
I never seen a guy dominate like Fairley did at times last year, but I think he has dropped out of the top 5 amongst the NFL teams.
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Did he drop them pounds to try and run a faster time at combine?
I see how weight loss can raise a red flag, but i have faith that a 300 pound guy can regain 15-20lbs back over the weekend if he really wants to.
I dont watch the combine. Never have, probably never will.
But Fairley passes the “eye” test.
(my eyes in particular.)
And that is all the scouting acumen that i possess.
WR-Juilio Jones would be a steal if he drops out of the top 5.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:49 am
The Raiders are not expected to bring back RG Cooper Carlisle in 2011.
Carlisle turns 34 this summer and is due $2.5 million, which appears to be too much for a guard who no longer fits Oakland’s scheme. With Tom Cable on the way out, the Raiders are transitioning from a zone to power-blocking system.
Source: Oakland Tribune
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JFB,
thoughts?
February 28th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Your man crush on Cam is going to make you lose your man card!
February 28th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Plenty of guys were hard-workers in college, got the big paycheck and lost said work-ethic.
If Cam was a DE, RB or DB, none of this would be an issue.
But QB’s are elevated to the pedestal and dissected a million different ways, due to the importance of the position, and the importance of leadership at the position.
A few workouts in shorts, and a writen apology aren’t going to make those things go away.
Too many Ryan Leafs and Jamarcus Russell’s who have scared NFL exec’s stiff.
I wouldn’t be suprised if some teams that are seriously considering drafting him high are floating some of this negative stuff, just as some form of test to see how he reacts.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Kim Newton = bust!
February 28th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Colorado CB Jimmy Smith measured 6-foot-2 and change, and 211 pounds at the Scouting Combine weigh-in.
He also described himself as a “shutdown corner” with “better ball skills” than Nnamdi Asomugha in media interest. Smith size is elite for a corner, but it will be interesting to see how he runs Tuesday. He’s rumored to be running in the sub-4.5s, and anything in the 4.4s could lock him into round one.
Source: TFY Draft Insider
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C’mon Jimmy, you haven’t done schit in the NFL man.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Fairley weighed in at the combine at 291 I believe.
So he is not even a 300 pounder.
Probably much ado about nothing however. That dude seemed like a beast to me.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:53 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Kim Newton = bust!
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Always the Racist podunkers…………always.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Tim Tebow will be a better pro QB than Newton & VY
he might even do better then Campkowski in 2011 (depending on our OL & WR’s)
February 28th, 2011 at 11:54 am
The Racist podunkers from flyover America, our moral arbiters.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:54 am
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 11:53 am
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who???
February 28th, 2011 at 11:55 am
666,
maybe you are into that kind of thing.
i think cam is the best qb to come out of the draft in years. i have never seen a qb like him. he cant be compared to anyone else.
So let me get this straight, i like a guys talent and its a man crush?
please
February 28th, 2011 at 11:56 am
How is calling Cam Newton a bust become racist?
Please explain your logic or lack of it you old man?
February 28th, 2011 at 11:57 am
i like a guys talent and its a man crush?
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Mistic,
only if it’s Johnnie Lee Higgins. thats what I’ve learned in here the past 3 years!
February 28th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Podunker, Kim Newton, (black man) is going to make more money than all of your rural ancestory. Get over it.
February 28th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Silver = Podunker?
I’m confused. Al Davis called Cam “Kim”, not me
Get over it!
February 28th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Off to the Steam, later.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
anybody here besides racists & trolls?
just curious.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Fairley weighed in at the combine at 291 I believe.
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do the Panthers need a UT?
February 28th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
It doesn’t matter because when Buffalo takes him in the draft he will be lost on a crappy team for years to come and get sacked 75 times a year while throwing 20 INT’s
Try getting a TV commercial with those stats!
February 28th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
KK just wants reparations for what what his great great great great grandpappy went through. Show me the money!
February 28th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
The Draft is an inexact science.
Drafting QBs is the riskiest position of them all.
QB requires the most amount of preparation/film study, etc.
That entertainer/icon comment may have been taken out of context.
(Later said he was reffering to his under-armour deal)
ANY TIME you draft a QB high, there will be a bust factor.
All things considered, Mr Cam Newton is worth the risk as a top 5 pick.
Cam Newton = Steve McNair???
February 28th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
I remember reading articles stating that theres no way the rumors about Russell being a fat slob could be true because he ordered fish for dinner while dining with Raiders brass prior to the draft …
LOL @ the good ole days
February 28th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
KK
Go back to bed and take some medication your insane posts are only getting more cryptic as you age and senility set in.
A good day for you is one where you don’t crap your pants in public or fall down the stairs.
Your the one who brought race into the equation not ME or anyone else.
Why is it that every time I see you post “YOU” bring race into it?
Are you that insecure little man?
February 28th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
back to the grind.
CYA gents!
February 28th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Dakota if joos can get 225 mil annually for something that happened on another continent then surely the offsprings of slaves can get their due right? I mean afterall does America get to be superpower without slavery? Also the 40 acres and a mule was never given to those slaves
February 28th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I think newton is a better more accurate passer than air mcnair was coming out. i think he will turn the ball over less than air mcnair as well
February 28th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Cam Newton = Tim Tebow
one of them should have been aborted
can you guess which one?
February 28th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Anyhow……this season is chalked…..the cba thing wont be done until september….a bogus SB winner will be crowned next February
February 28th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
” I mean afterall does America get to be superpower without slavery? ”
WTF
How do we get into theses kind of topics on a Football BLOG!!!
Did any country get to be a “Super Power” without enslaving another countries people?
Try taking a history class….
February 28th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
SnB666…..u on scholarship?…..tebow shoulda been aborted….one less virus spreading batty boy on the loose
February 28th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
General Bauce Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Anyhow……this season is chalked…..the cba thing wont be done until september….a bogus SB winner will be crowned next February
$$$$$$$$$$
I hope the bogus SB winner will be the Oakland Raiders.
I dont care if it will be considered an “asterik” year.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
not sure how to spell *
February 28th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
666….my point is if others can get millions for something that happened on another continent then so should the people who help build this country. Also a promise of 40 acres and mule werent ever met. Maybe my friend you need to go check up on history
February 28th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Bcz,
You pretty good at the stats thing. Just interested to see what his stats were last 2 years? Probably not much because he’s been injured.
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13 games played in the last 2 seasons (8 in 2009, 5 in 2010)
2009 – 124 carries for 494 yards 4.0ypc, 1 TD, 1 fumble
2010 – 54 carries for 227 yards 4.2ypc, 2 TDs, 0 fumbles
February 28th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Asterik years are trash
February 28th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I think newton is a better more accurate passer than air mcnair was coming out. i think he will turn the ball over less than air mcnair as well
$$$$$$$$$$
I never saw Mr Air Mcnair at Akron college.
Just saw him as a oiler/titan.
Tough in the pocket. Hard to bring down.
Leader in the huddle. Dangerous on the scramble.
Accurate throws. DBs didnt want to tackle him once he got by the LBs
February 28th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
The rest of the NFL does not agree with Mistic that Cam Newton is the best prospect to come out in years.
You may get various reports of where he will go in the draft, but he won’t go number 1 overall, probably won’t be the #1 QB taken and everyone in the media says this a pretty crappy draft class.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Cam is the next Jamarcus / Vick / every other over hyped loser to bust out in the NFL. This idiot has red flags flyin’ high.
He’s a tlented football player for sure but his off filed BS will cause problems for whoever is stupid enough to take him round 1
February 28th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Bush aint going nowhere so we may as well stop thinking about replacements
February 28th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
399. Word
February 28th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Bcz,
Thanx for the stats. I still wouldn’t mind him in Oakland at a vet salary. Might make it through the year w/out injuries being the back-up guy.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
General Bauce Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Asterik years are trash
$$$$$$$$$$
Very VERY True, but i would still want the asterik super bowl trophy to add to the raiders legacy.
All NFL teams would still have the same short amount of time to prepare and play.
It will still be a level playing feild.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Sham Newton will have some high points in his career and go to pro bowl but it will be an epic fall for the guy. Red flags are red flags. Guy wants to be Hollywood
February 28th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Just heard on SVP (Ryan Rusillo filling in) that Cam Newton was to have taken a knee on his final college play and than kick the FG.
He tried to score, even though none of his lineman blocked for him, as they thought he was taking a knee (he didn’t score).
Apparently, that’s where things got a little touchy for Cam in the team interviews.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
The Cowboys will not attempt to re-sign free agent DE Marcus Spears or free agent SS Gerald Sensabaugh.
The Cowboys gave Spears less money than “backups” Stephen Bowen and Jason Hatcher last year, and he landed on injured reserve with a strained (probably torn) calf muscle in November. They’ll be more interested in bringing back Bowen and Hatcher. Sensabaugh will also hit the open market. According to ESPN Dallas, the Cowboys are looking for a replacement in the draft.
Related: Gerald Sensabaugh
Source: ESPN Dallas
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Spears for depth?
February 28th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Later peoples! Gotta run.
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
Fk it! Go Sharks! (even though I don’t watch hockey)
February 28th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Keep it lit Dmac!
February 28th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Like a good neighbor State Farm is there: with a new oline….and number 1 wr
February 28th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Bauce outro
February 28th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Looks like this shoulder injury may hurt Casey Matthews stock now. Raiders might be able to get him in Round 4 now.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/28/matthews-cant-do-drills-after-injuring-shoulder/?module=HP_headlines
February 28th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
KoolKell always bashing on rural America.
Maybe it’s time to step out of your fancy-pantsed condo in your stupid posh Bay Area community and rub elbows with some real folks.
Just because you take pictures on the hillside of Switzerland with a stupid sweater tied around your waist and in shoes with heels on them, does not make you some type of guru of middle America.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
I have come to the conclusion that the TWO players the Raiders should target with their first pick in the 2nd Round should be either:
C- Stefan Wisnewski 6′3, 313.
or
RT/RG- Marcus Cannon 6′5, 350.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
He might have been there in the 4th round anyways.
That’s right about where he was slated. 3rd to 5th range.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Seriously? We are talking reperations now….
February 28th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
http://twitter.com/#!/raiders247
February 28th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
lol
February 28th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
O-LINE ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!! fuc a q.b. a w.r. and or even a r.b. and for that matter a d.b. O-LINE ALL THE WAY top to bottom, when the season starts you line up the best players on that line regardless of draft status or tenure.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
“There’s not a position, other than quarterback, that I wouldn’t just look at in the draft and say we don’t need anybody,”
Hu jack on jc!
so much for that garbage you impostors tried to float about hu jack disliking jc
February 28th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Like a good neighbor State Farm is there……….with Hookers and Cocaine !!!! Charlie Sheens new commercial
February 28th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
so much for that garbage you impostors tried to float about hu jack disliking jc
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Yeah cuz there is NO way in Oakland that a Head Coach would be force fed a player and told to like it… just wouldnt happen. No sir. Not in Oakland.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
JFB,
do you respect hall of fame qb warren moon?
“As soon as he gets his weight going forward, he throws the ball as accurate as anyone I have been around.”
warren moon
February 28th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Is this the second coming of JC your talking about????
February 28th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
with j.c. we have atleast a couple of years before we have to worry about a q.b. unless he plays like that first titan game, and i doubt that, with having h.j. for a second year.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
423.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
JFB,
do you respect hall of fame qb warren moon?
“As soon as he gets his weight going forward, he throws the ball as accurate as anyone I have been around.”
warren moon
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What Warren doesn’t tell you is that the people he has “been around” lately are high school QBs lol.
February 28th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Who cares about kim/cam newton he is not coming to the silver and black….with Casey Matthews hurting his shoulder he may fall to us kinda like bush did cuz of his leg
February 28th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
O-LINE and get rid of that idiot gallery i for one am tired of watching him fall forward and call that a block.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Mathews injury is from a bench press incident and won’t effect his spot in the draft IMO
February 28th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
CASEY MATTHEWS, HELL YEAH ILL TAKE A MATTHEWS KID ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
# Dakota Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
423.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
JFB,
do you respect hall of fame qb warren moon?
“As soon as he gets his weight going forward, he throws the ball as accurate as anyone I have been around.”
warren moon
+++++++++++
What Warren doesn’t tell you is that the people he has “been around” lately are high school QBs lol.
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Dakota read the quote again it doesnt say been around lately.
Warren Moon is one of the greatest qbs of all time, and he too was stung by the hype that discredits black qbs, and forced to play in canada instead of accept a position change in the nfl.
I respect his opinion.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
this is AMERICA JACK, and anyone to stupid to realize that you can go after and obtain your childhood dreams needs to stay in there schyt hole situation regardless of the color of your skin. warren moon, jackie robinson are 2 great examples of what you can achieve when you set goals in life instead of blaming someone else for your failures.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Cameron Newton just has too many red flags. Thief, cheat, didn’t play under center…..no thanks.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
# big pep Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
this is AMERICA JACK, and anyone to stupid to realize that you can go after and obtain your childhood dreams needs to stay in there schyt hole situation regardless of the color of your skin. warren moon, jackie robinson are 2 great examples of what you can achieve when you set goals in life instead of blaming someone else for your failures.
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What the hell are you talking about? amerikkka has a history of racism and this includes sports. to pretend it doent exist is just denial.
besides there is no disputing the facts surrounding warren moons career.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
432
If coach would of put me in the championship game i woulda been drafted by the pros. I bet I could throw a football over those mountains. Wait that’s uncle Rico
February 28th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
My childhood dream was to work at Wal-Mart for a few years, then get on with a private military firm. The American Dream. F@#& Yeah!!!
February 28th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
warren moon just had the balls to stand his ground and go after what he wanted, maybe it took a different rout but he made it. he happens to be one of my all time favorite players. theres no doubt the history of racism but this is 2011. if you choose to blame somebody else thats on you.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
if i was only 6′3″ 315lbs, i would have been a starter instead of 3rd string, plus i couldnt speak english. i to would have all the fancy ladies and creams.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
A unionized public employee, a teabagger, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, then looks at the teabagger and says “watch out for that union guy– he wants a piece of your cookie”.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Pep,
before you start trying to school me you need to check yourself. i havent blamed any one for anything. So what are you talking about?
i know what year it is, & racism still exist in amerikkka.
Just the other day i caught a blow out on the highway. I while i was on the shoulder, changing my tire in my part time uniform california high way patrol pulled up behind me.
As i began to explain my situation the cop ordered me to keep my hands where he could see them?!?!?
i refused because it was freezing cold, told him if he didnt want to help to get lost. i also asked if he was paranoid do to the rash of people that take off their tires on the highway in an attempt to lure cops to their death.
Give me a break and spare me the rush limbaugh garbage
February 28th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
You know what I find funny about rural America? Isn’t their whole idea to avoid people (especially minorities, let’s face it…)? Yet they come online, and get all defensive when someone insults rural America. What are they even doing on blogs in the first place? I thought their whole thing was to get away from people, just enjoy the land, live in serenity. But when you look at the defensive behavior of bloggers from there, the militias, the unabomber, etc….. I dunno. Maybe there’s another reason they’re out there in the sticks, and maybe the “federal gubment” should be keeping an eye on them.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
i didnt blame you for anything mistic. it was in general and for anyone blaming others.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
black q.bs have every chance as any other kid in college playing q.b. if i remember correctly al davis once drafted a black q.b. from t.s.u. a fine university that my neighbors attend and are very bright kids and have a bright future ahead.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
just by you defining a QB as black or white you yourself are drawing a racial line.
None of us in here today have said anything about Kim Newton being black or white it was YOU!
so you Mystic are the one being racial
February 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
RMR LOL I’m an unemployed union carpenter.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
I hate Tebow just as much as I hate Kim Newton and for different reasons….
I can find 100’s of reasons to hate on someone other than their skin color…its not that hard.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
666,
I dont know what you are talking about, and neither do you. i didnt say anything about cam being black. I was talking about warren moon.
besides unless your micheal jackson it does matter if your black or white, and always will. We are not all the same and that is the beauty of life, every one has something unique to bring to the table.
trying to strip people of their racial identity isnt a melting pot, its a melting PLOT!
February 28th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Why are the same people that accuse black activists of keeping racism alive also saying that they like racism, and that blacks should just lighten up and learn to laugh about it? Which is it?
February 28th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
# big pep Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
black q.bs have every chance as any other kid in college playing q.b. if i remember correctly al davis once drafted a black q.b. from t.s.u. a fine university that my neighbors attend and are very bright kids and have a bright future ahead.
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yawn.
hate to break the news to you black qbs have an uphill battle, going all the way back to marlon briscoe. Its better now, but its not over.
Marge schott had black players on her team, does that mean she wasnt a racist?
Don imus, is also entertained by black people does that mean he isnt a racist?
come on dont see why you guys are making a big deal
February 28th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
“White power to white people, black power to black people” – Fred Hampton
February 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Slave owners couldn’t have been racists, they gave employment opportunities to blacks. Hello.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boO4RowROiw
here’s my stance
February 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
please back to football
February 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
except that I wouldn’t call them opportunities…it wasn’t exactly optional.
February 28th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
O-LINE ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Jerry get to work already
February 28th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
gots to go, anyone here from my former city stockton ca. hold it down till i come home.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I agree Mystic back to football….
February 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
I wanted replacement players or SCABS
But that is not going to happen with the lockout.
So I bought 2011 Stanford football tickets already assuming that there would be no NFL next year!!
February 28th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
No fair attacking midwestern whites when you know they are all at work and can’t defend themselves online. Somebody’s gotta pay the bills for all the deadbeat welfare cases in the city.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Don Imus… “Nappy Headed Hoes” comment was one of the funniest things i heard.
Seriously had me ROFLMAO.
I never knew/heard of him before that.
Then saw his picture, and first thing that came into my mind was: “old bruh look like the crypt keeper”
February 28th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Spears and AJ Hawk are two FAs the Raiders should sign
February 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Don Imus ruined Womens college basketball in my mind.
Everytime it’s on TV i cant help but hear him say:
“nappy headed hoes”
Still cant beleive he actually said that…
February 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Spears and AJ Hawk are two FAs the Raiders should sign
$$$$$$$$$$
Spears along with tommie harris might be options,
but i doubt packers dont retain AJ hawk.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Vegas, the farmers in the midwest take advantage of federal subsidies (welfare). Mexican immigrants are vastly becoming the majority of their help.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
90 percent of the people living in the midwest have nothing to do with the agriculture industry.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
# Just Win Baby Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
90 percent of the people living in the midwest have nothing to do with the agriculture industry.
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Not anymore they don’t, Vegas. The farmers have found that Mexicans do the job faster, better, and cheaper.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Vegas, what do you know about the midwest, anyway? Tell us about Tracy, Las Vegas, and all of those ghost towns in the southwest were you sell bogus insurance.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
90% of raiders fans are mexican.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Why are you calling me Vegas? I live in Wyoming and pay my own bills. I know all there is to know about living in the midwest.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
I stick to facts, and won’t shy from calling someone else on something.
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Yeah, right. Like the bogus renegotiation numbers you made up last night. In the future, a simple “This is just speculation on my part, but…..” will suffice.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
You didn’t used to post under the name Vegas Raider?
February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
No. I’ve been Just Win Baby for over 5 years. I usually only read Jerry’s articles and don’t comment much.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
You confusing him with mr JUST FIRE BABY
February 28th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
There was some other dude who used to post as just win baby without any capital letters in his title.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Are the self-righteous podunkers still here?
February 28th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
# Just Win Baby Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
No. I’ve been Just Win Baby for over 5 years. I usually only read Jerry’s articles and don’t comment much.
…………..
I can see why.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Are the self-righteous podunkers still here?
…………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8FTPv955I
February 28th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Kell & I left at the same time and came back at the same time?
crap … and now MR is here to boot?
this place has really gone downhill, Jer!
I miss the AM crew
February 28th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
my 10 minutes are up … later trolls!
February 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
According to an informal poll on NFL.com 30% think Nnamdi will end up with Philly.
18% think the Ravens
9% think the cowboys but I heard a rumor they moved up to get Patrick Peterson of LSU.
I still think he stays in Silver and Black
February 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55hE6vOgkhY
What’s good Mack-Madden? What you know about this?
And what Spears are you talkin about for FA?
February 28th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Yeah, MR. I usually have grown-up things to do. Plus I dont really care what anyone in here thinks of my opinion, so I don’t usually lower myself to participate in the inane banter.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Oh, I see. Guys, Just Win Baby is a “grown up”. That explains it.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Yahoo is reporting that the players the Raiders signed last week did not get a signing bonus. That means if they do not play they do not get paid.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
JERRY
Is Al Davis slippinmg? If not, who is responsible for the weird contract quirks of late?
Nnamdi’s non performance contract void (surely they were aware no one throws at him) and Kam Wimbley’s 30% rule apparently forcing the franchise.
Are these common to other teams and or to Oakland?
Seems odd.
Let us know if you can find out please Jerry!
February 28th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Cam Newton, the white trash element, want you to bow down and stay in your place, ok?
February 28th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
I asked Jerry if all the other GM’s in the NFL are there at the combine. He wouldn’t answer.
February 28th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
485. Surely there must be guaranteed money
February 28th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
487. Please.
Newton’s got trouble written all over him. Has nothing to do with his race.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
487. Please.
Newton’s got trouble written all over him. Has nothing to do with his race.
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National Champion, Heisman Trophy, Muscles on top of muscles, beautiful smile, and he’s got trouble written all over him. Really?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
491. Cams Dad admits to soliciting money
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/13/report-newtons-dad-admits-to-soliciting-money/
February 28th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
469.GoodOle00 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
90% of raiders fans are mexican.
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Don’t u mean 90 % of Mexicans are Raider fans? I always thought most Mexicans were Cowboy fans.
Seems to me to be a pretty good mix of Mexicans, African Americans and Caucasions as Raider fans.
I don’t see anything wrong with that, in fact it would seem to make the Raiders more of “America’s Team” than Dallas is.
By the way, Raiders have won more than three times as many playoff games in the last 15 yrs. than the Dallas Cowboys.
A meaningless stat perhaps, but one most would find interesting if you mention it to them.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
491. Cams Dad admits to soliciting money
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So F’ing what? Investigations say Cam knew nothing about it.
And who f’ing doesn’t solicit money in America?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Cam’s race means nothing. His embarrassing showing at the combine DOES.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
494.KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
491. Cams Dad admits to soliciting money
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So F’ing what? Investigations say Cam knew nothing about it.
And who f’ing doesn’t solicit money in America?
______________
Does everyone steal and cheat too?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
His race would mean something if police were profiling for young black males in whatever neighborhood he’s driving through.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
We live in the most money obsessed, violent country in the world. Yet everybody’s a moral arbiter of somebody else’ life, usually black men.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Dakota only the patriots and Reggie Bush Cheat!
You know that
February 28th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Dakota,
Where’s your moral superiority got you? Somewhere in Bumfck South Dakota, hunting for your food.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
KK you live in a toilet bowl and you wear adult diapers and spew angry rants all day on a Raiders Blog and this somehow helps you cope with the hate and racism you have festering inside you.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
lol! KK got pizzed cuz Newton’s not the bomb. Hopefully Denver takes him 2nd overall.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Beautiful smile? Lol Kell no wonder Mrs Kelly creeps behind your back! You are a down low brotha!
February 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I will not be lectured to by anybody with 666 in it’s handle.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I think the criminal justice and the prison industry are doing more to keep racism alive than Kell. Just sayin’.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
497.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
His race would mean something if police were profiling for young black males in whatever neighborhood he’s driving through.
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That is unfortunate for the lad.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
498. America hasnb’t cornered the market on greed and or violence. You just live a cushy enough life not to know that.
Alot of the world dipolmacy is still at the end of a gun.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Raider 510 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55hE6vOgkhY
What’s good Mack-Madden? What you know about this?
And what Spears are you talkin about for FA?
$$$$$$$$$$
Cant youtube right now.
Was talking bout marcus spears earlier.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
497.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
His race would mean something if police were profiling for young black males in whatever neighborhood he’s driving through.
$$$$$$$$$$
So very True…
Race (not necessarily racism) is a factor in everything.
Everyone knows this, most dont want to admit it tho.
It dont make you a racist if you make a comment about race.
It just makes you human.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
500.KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Dakota,
Where’s your moral superiority got you? Somewhere in Bumfck South Dakota, hunting for your food.
+++++++
Lol, you poor bitter soul.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
This is for Hu jack and JC
February 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
I told you Dakota
Hate, anger, racism and redundant posts are all KK is capable of.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
I myself come here to get away from political opinions rants, racism and other bullcrap.
I come here for Football talk not basketball or Politics or religion or how much Metamucil KK takes on a daily basis….
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