No chance at Jordan, but Cameron a possibility
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, February 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Barring some kind of deal to move up in the draft, Cal defensive end Cameron Jordan will be long gone by the time the Raiders pick in the NFL draft.
Jordan Cameron, however, will be there possibly into the draft’s final day, and he’s got the kind of pedigree which catches the eye of Al Davis.
He’s also the kind of athletic, versatile tight end Davis loves, and he also comes from USC _ one of his favorite schools (although there is that annoying Lane Kiffin thing to consider).
As it has been explained to me by a Raiders talent evaluator (and keep in mind that the entire coaching staff joins in with the personnel department in this process at the combine), one of the things they’re always on the lookout for is a varied athletic background. Did he play basketball in high school and college? Participate on the track team?
It’s not necessarily going to be a huge factor, but it could sway a decision one way or the other if two prospects are close. Someone who has played other sports may be quicker to adjust to a much faster game, it speaks to competitive spirit and could make for a more explosive athlete down the road.
The Raiders have only two tight ends at the moment who will be under contract when a collective bargaining agreement is reached, pending a deal with Zach Miller _ Brandon Myers and Kevin Brock.
Logic suggests the Raiders will keep Miller through a new contract or invoking a tender if that option exists under a new CBA. But only Al Davis knows for sure. Miller has a concussion history, had sports hernia surgery a year ago and a bad foot, and health is a major factor when doling out huge dollars.
Even if Miller is still on the roster as expected, he and Myers are similar players. What’s missing is more of an explosive, downfield type threat _ someone who can bring to the position what Marcel Reece has to fullback.
Nevada’s Virgil Green (6-3, 249) has generated a lot of buzz for his athletic ability, was third-best among tight ends at 4.64 in the 40-yard dash and hada 42.5 inch vertical leap. He may be taken earlier than the Raiders want to fill the tight end position. The fastest tight end Florida Atlantic’s Rob Houshler (6-5, 248) at 4.58, who like Green has the basketball-track background in high school.
Cameron is intriguing because he’s 6-5, 249 pounds, ran the 40 in 4.59 and followed it up with a 37.5 inch vertical leap. He’s a converted wide receiver and started his college career playing basketball at BYU before transferring to USC.
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February 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I think the criminal justice and the prison industry are doing more to keep racism alive than Kell. Just sayin’.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I will not be lectured to by anybody with 666 in it’s handle.
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Ha ha!
February 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Kell loves Sham’s beautiful smile lol……what a sad case this guy is…..u gotta feel sorry for his wife and cant blame her for the late nite dips with the guys at Chicken n Waffles
February 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Ricky Dudley?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
In response to a question about endorsements, Newton, had the audacity to mention the words “entertainment icon” and peckerwood America became OUTRAGED.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Exactly KK.
You would think Al would learn from his mistakes.
Yet there are his employees, looking for “varied athletic background” over things like “Can he catch?” and “Can he block?”.
Zach Miller, our only decent TE since Christensen, is not an athletic freak. But he can catch. Look for that.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Kell i bet u wont drops “balls” from Newton since u think he has a beautiful smile. Makes ya wonder what really happened on that euro trip
February 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
In response to a question about endorsements, Newton, had the audacity to mention the words “entertainment icon” and peckerwood America became OUTRAGED.”
Racism at it’s finest, KoolKell is a bigot and this clinches it!
February 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Kell did ur peckerwood wife get outraged?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
If you say Cam Newton is similar to VY (freak athletes, questionable character, unorthodox QB style), where do you draft him?
Where would you draft VY now if you knew you’re getting a 31-17 lifetime QB who won ROY, made it to the playoffs, wins twice as often as he loses, and ticks people off with his attitude (like being ticked at being benched for Collins)?
Can’t see him slipping past the 20 spot. A QB with a career winning record is kinda good to find.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
BS detector…..come on! Kell is married to a white woman dont u know that?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
What’s wrong with a man thinking another man has a beautiful smile? Oh, of course. You can catch AIDS from looking at another man’s smile.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
I think Nipsey Russell has a beautiful smile.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
500.KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Dakota,
Where’s your moral superiority got you? Somewhere in Bumfck South Dakota, hunting for your food.
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Lol, you poor bitter soul.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
He does have a beautiful smile, my wife and I noticed that yesterday on TV.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I think the criminal justice and the prison industry are doing more to keep racism alive than Kell. Just sayin’.
!!!!!!!!!!
How’s that?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
This guy has a beautiful smile.
http://tinyurl.com/3ajugkt
February 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Come on Kell let dem cragga mfkas know whats going down ya dig……tell dem jive ass turkeys u black n proud while the Charlie’s Angel chick is on ur arms……BLACK POWER!
February 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Longer prison sentences for blacks, and racial profiling, Raccoon. I think those two things fan the flames of racism far more than a random angry brother.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
MR……..trust me….no one is surprised you think men have a beautiful smile…..carry on
February 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Bauce, you’re a young, dumb, fool. And, I’ll bet dollars to nickles, you’re not very good with the ladies.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Oh Kell so u and white wifey have same preferences i see……bet yall are swingers
February 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
I think Khalif laid and the departure of Cable laid to rest the mythichal 2 TE sets Oakland talked about for a decade
February 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Brian, what’s wrong with a man thinking another man has a beautiful smile? Can you catch AIDS looking at another man’s smile? I don’t think you could even end a marriage doing it.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Kell…..i most definitely dont think men have beautiful smiles…..lol u can bet dollars on that
February 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Brien, if you managed a place of retail that emphasized customer service, a beautiful smile is one of the things you’d have to judge male applicants on.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Of course, that scenario would require that Brien ever had any position with a job higher than entry level, insubordinate brat.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Hu jack city and JC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Bx7R0LKx0
February 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
…says the Carl’s Jr. employee of the month….
February 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
MR….not knocking u and your prop 8 hopes…..its just awful for someone to front like they are hetero when in essence they arent lol
February 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Brien, you were for prop 8? BTW…for prop 8 means against gay marriage.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
I’m sure a lot of Carl’s Jr. employees are glad to have jobs in this market. Good to know an elitist in the Dakotas is mocking them.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
MR you think men have a beautiful smile….no one is shocked by that….u going out of your way to defend a so called straight man tho. I thought ur kind would be after the truth
February 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Brien, what is wrong with a man admiring another man’s smile?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Raiders? Anyone? sigh…
February 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
MR i said prop 8 hopes….it could go both ways when i said hope….i never said “for” did i? And knowing that u love men’s smiles what side of prop 8 argument would i accuse u of being on? Come on u aint smart enuff to deal with me
February 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
GoodOle…..raiders? no oline,no fb,no wlb,no legit 1 wr and no NT….ur thoughts?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
MR u can do that all u want…..u can admire a man’s smile all u want just dont front that u are hetero is all…..carry on
February 28th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
General Bauce Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
MR i said prop 8 hopes….it could go both ways when i said hope…
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Oh, I bet it can, cowboy.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I myself come here to get away from political opinions rants, racism and other bullcrap.
I come here for Football talk not basketball or Politics or religion or how much Metamucil KK takes on a daily basis….
February 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Kell this beatdown I give u can stop….just meet me face to face lets get all issues thrown out….ill have on my burners and we can get a drink after……deal?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
666, you’ve been talking politics all day, with the race discussion. You’re unreal.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Kell, I don’t know if I’d meet Brien for drinks…
General Bauce Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
…it could go both ways when i said hope…
February 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Nice try MR but it doesnt work here…..so MR any word from that Sac cheerleader?
February 28th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
My Fast Break girl? I heard her “hope” goes both ways now, Brien, like yours.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
MR please u the one who has never been with a woman….and u like Kell think men have BEAUTIFUL smiles lol
February 28th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
I just find it interesting how so many people, can coalesce around a kid making a maybe a bodacious statement to the press, and turning into something, eeeeeevillll.
February 28th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Too funny that now u admit to the Sac cheerleader when last year u lied to Bo and said u never said such a thing lolololol. Yeah MR we believe ya
February 28th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
OK, Brien, let’s recap.
You want to meet Kell for drinks.
You said your hope goes both ways, whatever that means.
And you’re saying I’m suspect?
February 28th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Kell…the icon shhht is stupid! Guy hasnt won a damn thing. You think people are juiced about guys like this making millions when the signs of their demise was around the corner all the while long?
February 28th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
MR
What the hell are you talking about all I have posted today were anti Tebow and anti Kim Newton rants.
Your slow today
February 28th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
666, you’ve participated in the race discussion earlier as much as anyone. If you don’t like politics here, don’t participate when people are going there. That would be my advice.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Brien, where’s Bob? I miss his beautiful smile.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Lol MR nice try….u cant spin this one….good try to take my statement and blatantly lie….something u do alot on here……the prop 8 thing was in reference to you but the usual b-tch in ya will try and fail to deflect it. MR u are beyond suspicion….now i was only joking with Kell about being a h0m0….but u everyone knows u are an iceskater
February 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
when you are potentially a top 5 draft prospect and a QB……you better be eating crapping and talking football all day long.
If you suggest that you wold like to use your NFL career as a stepping stone to Celebrity status then you are not concerned with the task at hand which is FOOTBALL!
It shows a lack of commitment and a lackadaisical attitude towards the game.
Period how else can this be interpreted?
February 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Wow MR u really driving home this thing with men’s smiles…..gosh seems like we gonna have to try and hire a pro again to get u in the sack with a bz
February 28th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
666 bingo!
February 28th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
MR
No I separated myself from the topic by this post #446 on the last page
“I hate Tebow just as much as I hate Kim Newton and for different reasons….
I can find 100’s of reasons to hate on someone other than their skin color…its not that hard.”
Read it you tard!
February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Before being an icon how about take ur team to postseason? win roy? go to pro bowl? is that asking too much?
February 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
B.S. it’s just a cheap excuse for character assassination.
Muhammad Ali got the same treatment when he opened his mouth.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Meanwhile, Vernon Gholston just got canned by the Jets. This might have been a worse pick than JaMarcus:
JaMarcus’s 3-year TD total: 18
Vernon’s 3-year tackle and sack total: 18
(18 tackles, ZERO sacks)
February 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Just ask MR about Grudens smile
He has a man crush on Mr Gruden
Probably even has a few of Grudens pubic hairs in his teeth
February 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
666, you don’t separate yourself from the topic by participating in it. You separate yourself from it by ignoring it and scrolling right past it. Dumbass.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
There’s a certain group of americans who like their black men, servile and deferential.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
666….no use….MR take after women when debating…..just make up schit
February 28th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
# Silverandblack666 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Probably even has a few of Grudens pubic hairs in his teeth
…………
Not funny. Not even to glue sniffing 10 year olds.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
KK
The country was divided on a war in Vietnam and Ali took a political stand, agree with it or not.
How in the hell can you compare that to Kim Newton wanting to be a celebrity?
Take your meds old man!!!
February 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Seriously, Brien, where’s Bob? This place is so much less comical without him.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
More of 666 “separating himself” from the off topic, unnecessary political discussion in here:
# Silverandblack666 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
KK
The country was divided on a war in Vietnam and Ali took a political stand, agree with it or not.
How in the hell can you compare that to Kim Newton wanting to be a celebrity?
Take your meds old man!!!
February 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Muhammad Ali? Kell come on old dude! So what u are saying is white people havent changed on the issue? Why are u married to a white woman again?
February 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Oh its funny MR
whats even funnier is your lack of journalism skills.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
666 is discussing more politics today than anyone. Just review the day’s comments.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Uh, I’m not a journalist, 666. Therefore I’ve never desired said “journalistic skills”.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
when you are potentially a top 5 draft prospect and a QB……you better be eating crapping and talking football all day long.
If you suggest that you wold like to use your NFL career as a stepping stone to Celebrity status then you are not concerned with the task at hand which is FOOTBALL!
It shows a lack of commitment and a lackadaisical attitude towards the game.
Period how else can this be interpreted?
$$$$$$$$$$
ummmm Racist???
(J/K)
it seems to be the word of the day today.
All too often it is the word of the day on here.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
MR from what I know he is in Florida……less comical? MR you are a riot all by yourself….but i cant lie BHP still the best when he gets pissed lol
February 28th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
And, seriously, 666, talk of Gruden’s pubes is never funny. A bunch of 10 year olds on detention would have just looked at each other and sighed at that. It’s not funny, to anyone, really.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
What’s he doing in Florida? Is he well? He was a little out of it the last time I saw him on here. He was funny, but it seemed like something serious was going on with him. Just hope he’s ok, that’s all.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Mack Madden it sure is bruh……just lets ya know we got deep issues in America no matter what side of the argument u are on
February 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
MR from what I know him and his wifey there doing their vacation bit……not like shhhht is crackin in Norcal right now. Cal sux and so do the W’s
February 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Anyhow….time to get drunk……Bauce Outro
February 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
KK
The country was divided on a war in Vietnam and Ali took a political stand, agree with it or not.
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Nuance is lost on you isn’t it? When Ali first came on the scene, speaking his mind, he was i-m-m-e-d-i-a-t-e-l-y hated!
Before he took his Vietnam stand which came AFTER he became champion.
But you’re talking schit you don’t know as usual. I doubt you were around. Only wannabe punks of another generation, would have a 666 in “it’s” handle.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
No matter what the issue.
Race is ALWAYS a factor.
Everyone knows its true, but most dont admit it because they scared.
with that said…
Cam Newton comments will scare teams away NOT BECAUSE he is BLACK.
It will scare teams away beacause HE PLAYS QUARTERBACK.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
kell, let’s just talk Raiders and ignore 666’s attempts to ignite a political discussion.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
I was talking Cam Newton & Media.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
2) OT/OG Benjamin Ijalana (Villanova), OG/C Stefan Wisniewski (Penn State), OG/OT Marcus Cannon (TCU), OLB Mason Foster (Washington), OG/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin), or CB Curtis Brown (Texas)
3) NT/DT Jarrell Powe (Ole Miss), C Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU), OT Marcus Gilbert (Florida), or OLB Quan Sturdivant (North Carolina)
4) FS Robert Sands (West Virginia), OLB/DE Dontay Moch (Nevada), DT/NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame), OLB Casey Matthews (Oregon), or CB/FS Marcus Gilchrist (Clemson)
5) CB Davon House (New Mexico State), C/OG Brandon Fusco (Slippery Rock), or FB Henry Hynoski (Pitt)
6) DE/DT Cedrick Thornton (Southern Arkansas) or TE Jordan Cameron (USC)
7) WR Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State) or QB Josh Portis (California PA)
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Attempt to re-sign: Miller (RFA), Bush (RFA), Reece (RFA), Satele, Bryant (RFA), Barnes, Loper, Mario Henderson, and Condo.
Huff and Gallery will test the FA market. Huff seems open to coming back, but only for the right offer.
Possible FA targets:
CB Eric Wright or Richard Marshall
OT Jammal Brown or Nick Kaczur
TE Matt Spaeth
FS Jarrad Page
February 28th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
I’ve only seen him play one time in that National Championship game. I guess he’s a Teabow type QB. Dude was lowering his shoulders on lineman and linebackers.
But he’s really only played 1 year. Those guy’s don’t do well in the NFL.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
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February 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
New game. Figure out what name CanuckRaider was using earlier.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Oops…Sorry…Just missed Kell’s last post. If you’re talking about Newton I saw the same thing. Didn’t impress me at all. Weak QB crop this year.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
RMR: I just came in with the snoozy post.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
I really hope the Raiders aren’t trying to replace Zach Miller. He is the best receiver on the team….he is also the best TE on this team in 25 years.
Stop with the doggone devotion to athleticism over football smarts. 40x got us DHB, while about a dozen other receivers drafted that year have outperformed him. Who takes a receiver in the top 10 for their blocking prowess.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
my gawd, it’s the KiffinRaider/KK show.
what a friggin’ surprise.
honing your skills for an episode of the Real Housewives of Rancho Cordova are ye?
what a disgrace ye both are to call yerselves “Raider fans”.
perhaps in another life in another realm on another planet you’ll find something else to do other than to be pi%%-ants.
Raider on the rest of ye.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
I still think the defense is going to be the achilles heel of this team next year.
A starting lineup of Routt, CJ, Eugene and Branch won’t concern a single QB or opposing O.C.
Raider offense better score A LOT of points next year
February 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Agreed SnB. Signing Miller is a must. No more “athletic” projects.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Coupled with a run defense that is still missing a big run stuffer up front……and can’t stop the run (big plays or not!)
February 28th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
OLB and the backfield are the main worries on D right now.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I’m pretty sure Al thinks he’s making a Super Bowl run this year. Hence he’s taken over the Defense.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
You’re scaring me again KK.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
94.CanuckRaider Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Agreed SnB. Signing Miller is a must. No more “athletic” projects.
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I just don’t get it CanuckRaider. All the doggone busts over the decades and still devoted to players that are huge reaches or can’t play.
Zach Miller is a very good player. Why are the Raiders looking to jettison their best football players (Miller & Asomugha) for scrubs and high flying risks.
I still don’t buy that this secondary is going to be ANY good without Asomugha….losing Miller will make the offense completely one dimensional (DMAC) with our hopeless wide receiver situation
February 28th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
football stars are celebritites, whats the issue?
February 28th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
besides my spelling
February 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I’m pretty sure Al thinks he’s making a Super Bowl run this year.
……….
LOL. No way. He can’t be that crazy.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Agreed SnB but let’s wait and see what happens with Miller and Aso. AD might ink both of them yet. He’d better.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Signing Huff would be nice too. He was just starting to come into his own.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
I would do the whole zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thing right now myself, but I prefer a more mature way of letting someone know they’re boring, so I’ll leave Canuck alone.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
The Cowboys are letting Sensabaugh walk… expect them to be in play for Michael Huff’s services.
February 28th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
103.CanuckRaider Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Agreed SnB but let’s wait and see what happens with Miller and Aso. AD might ink both of them yet. He’d better.
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Hopefully he does. Otherwise we will get a full weekly helping of Brandon Myers and Chris Johnson….or some rookie getting torched by below average QBs
February 28th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Ouch. That would have really hurt if I cared RMR. I guess football’s boring compared to hissy fighting eh?
February 28th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
SnB: Yeah, that is a scary thought. Let’s hope for the best.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
I was hard on huff but he was much better at the end of the year. i still enjoyed seeing brown getting some run though
February 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
SnB Production Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
I really hope the Raiders aren’t trying to replace Zach Miller. He is the best receiver on the team….he is also the best TE on this team in 25 years.
Stop with the doggone devotion to athleticism over football smarts. 40x got us DHB, while about a dozen other receivers drafted that year have outperformed him. Who takes a receiver in the top 10 for their blocking prowess.
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Being the best receiver on the this team ain’t sayin much.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
We were talking football before you got here, Canuck, just more interesting aspects of football.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
If the Raiders go with a “weaker” secondary…they better ratchet up the production in the front 7…stopping the run and forcing advantageous down and distance…also more pressure on the QB and different looks.
Chris Johnson or Walter McFadden full-time will not work by itself…and Routt (I am still not convinced)
February 28th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
111.RaiderDebo Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Being the best receiver on the this team ain’t sayin much.
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True…but Miller is actually a good TE from a league perspective. The Raider receivers haven’t done jack in years…losing Miller would all but shutdown the passing game
February 28th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Jury’s still out on Brown but he has potential for sure. You can’t teach that instinct for being around the ball. I’m looking forward to seeing what McFadden can do in year two as well.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
I just don’t get it CanuckRaider. All the doggone busts over the decades and still devoted to players that are huge reaches or can’t play.
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Believe it or not, Davis once said he was a fan of Hitler, tactically.
As such, like Hitler, I think be believes in absolutes, Ht Wt Speed.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Jeremy ware looked really good in pre season, and even better vs the chiefs, i would love to see him get more run.
After the pitt game buffalo butt cable benched him in a panic move trying to save his own hide.
Davis clearly was upset that the youngsters didnt get on the field enough. cable became the don nelson of football
February 28th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Ask Tim Brown, or any other black Raiders’ player from Notre Dame, just what Al meant by admiring Hitler “tactically”.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Don’t know if Ware’s got the wheels to play CB in the league. Seemed to get toasted deep a lot. Maybe he was just biting too much but he looks a bit slow to me.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Canuck, they have something for that, it’s called zone coverage. If he can cover in the short field he’s serviceable on every team but the Raiders.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Preseason or spot starts mean nothing. We are talking about late round guys who haven’t done anything of note except flash a play in preseason against other young inexperienced players that don’t play come regular season.
You build the team with a core of stars, solid veterans and a couple of high performing young players.
Ware, McFadden and the others can’t be considered realistic choices to start without expecting a SIGNIFICANT drop off.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
canuck,
ware has got speed to burn, he was victimized by is aggressive style. he did exactly what you said he bit on double moves, but experience will help that.
i like the kid he plays with a chip, and he is really good in bump and run, seemed to also have very good ability to make plays on the ball in the air.
i actually think next to area 21 he was the best corner on the team
February 28th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Hitler was just a two-bit thug who knew how to play a perfect political storm to his advantage. As for tactical warfare, Manstein and Rommel were the real geniuses for Germany.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
snb,
All rookies will be up and down, but he was awesome in the kc game, deserved more playing time.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Maybe Mistic. Hope you’re right. Let’s just hope there’s a season this year.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
By accounts, Al Davis is a War Historian.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Oooh, don’t get into a world history debate with this guy.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Proof Hitler was the real genius for Germany.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO7rF_XbI6Y
February 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
RMR: Yeah, and that’s why he threw everything at Stalingrad against his top generals’ advice instead of going for Moscow which would have effectively finished Russia. Read “Hitler And His Generals” if you want an inside look at German military strategy. Actual transcripts from their conferences from 1942-’45.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
The evidence to back up my point is right there, in comment 128.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Ditto the book I just mentioned among other sources.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Your book doesn’t hold a candle to my evidence, trust me. Click on it if you haven’t.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Somehow I’ll take actual transcripts of Hitler and his top generals’ conferences over Youtube.
I’ll leave you with this:
“The thousand year Reich lasted 12 years and 3 months. Caveat emptor.”
February 28th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
OK, Canuck. You’re missing out on an important aspect of world history. I think you’d be impressed with some of the research in this short video. But some people only like one side of the story…their side. Suit yourself. I’d rather be open minded and consider all takes.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
RMR: Just checked the vid out. Hilarious! Into the favs file for sure. The footage is from the awesome German language flick “Downfall”. Bruno Ganz nailed Hitler to a tee. Good one!
February 28th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Oh yeah, guess you got me.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Well, you sort of walked right into it with your serious approach to this discussion.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Yeah, the door hit me right in the melon. Check out “Downfall” if you haven’t seen it. Wild movie. The subtitles are a tad different though. Later Nation…
February 28th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
This is a Raider blog, Canuck. So I’ll stick to discussing the downfall of Al Davis.
See you in a few minutes, under a different name.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
You just caught me RMR. I only post under CanuckRaider. No reason to do otherwise. I stand or fall on my comments as you’ve just seen.
February 28th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Not a bad post at all Jer ..pretty good …pretty intriguing
February 28th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
What if ZM has really slowed down (although he is already pretty slow for sure) due to that nagging foot injury on top of his past history. Could be a short-lived played at a high level.
ZM is a very good TE; but if we can do better why not draft him? BUT I wouldn’t just get rid of ZM. This guy will back up ZM who I’ll put on a 2-3yr deal if he agrees and groom this guy behind him and see what he’s got.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
ZM’s injury history is another reason why they shouldn’t throw big money his way. He good, but everything has a limit.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Oh, come on, Canuck. We both know what other name you post under. (you gave it up with your first comment)
February 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Wow….damn near 100 posts dedicated to KK???
Seems like that old man has got some fans in here!
February 28th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
LOL. Canuck lives!
February 28th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Tell us again, maddenraider, about how you work swing shift?
Wouldn’t that kinda be now?
February 28th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Yeah, Tony. I work 365 days a year, no day off, like everyone else. Sharp detective skills.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
# r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Wow….damn near 100 posts dedicated to KK???
Seems like that old man has got some fans in here!
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First off, saying “damn near” means you counted.
Tell me you aren’t that pathetic.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Well, madden, seems many state you live with mommy, unemployed, with zero social skills.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you post here every day?
all day? all night?
how’s that job thing work, when you never seem to leave your chair, or this blog?
February 28th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
A lot of people are unemployed right now, Tony. I’m fortunate not to be one of them. But I’m sure as heck not going to mock them, either. I think you’re one of these dikheads in denial of what’s happening to this country.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
I remember now.
You stated you work swing shift, and then come on this board, after you get home, to wind down, at 1 am? 2 am?
In other words, for five days a week, you are absent from these parts, from 3-11:30 pm?
what days might those be, madden?
Seriously, lets’ see if you can actually answer without a slew of diversion bs.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
OK, I’ll answer without a slew of diversion, Tony. I’ll give you my entire identity, address, everything. Will that satisfy you, weirdo?
February 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
btw, see 151 for ex: of diversion reply.
I asked how’s your job thing working out, when you seem to be here all the time, and you reply “I’m not going to mock those who have a job”???
Huh?
and adding “you’re in denial of what’s happening in this country”??
Talk about a diversion reply?
try again, this time try and make sense.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
ArchiveTony Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
# r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Wow….damn near 100 posts dedicated to KK???
Seems like that old man has got some fans in here!
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First off, saying “damn near” means you counted.
Tell me you aren’t that pathetic.
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From here on out this is now the
“KoolKell Tribune Blog”
Inside The Kool Kell
By KoolKell – NFL Writer
Monday, 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
February 28th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
again with the diversion reply.
Didn’t ask you for specifics, did I?
Stated simply, how can you state you work swing shift, when you are here each and every day, during swing shift hours?
That simple enuff for ya?
February 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
# r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
ArchiveTony Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
# r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Wow….damn near 100 posts dedicated to KK???
Seems like that old man has got some fans in here!
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First off, saying “damn near” means you counted.
Tell me you aren’t that pathetic.
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From here on out this is now the
“KoolKell Tribune Blog”
Inside The Kool Kell
By KoolKell – NFL Writer
Monday, 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
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So your answer is “yes, I am that pathetic”.
thanks for playin
February 28th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Tony, I don’t feel too guilty diverting someone who’s trying to get personal information about me. Most people would call it common sense.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Tony, 2 questions. 1) Why do you want to know so much about my personal life? 2) Why should I disclose personal information about myself when you’re not disclosing any about yourself?
February 28th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
ArchiveTony Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
# r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
ArchiveTony Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
# r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Wow….damn near 100 posts dedicated to KK???
Seems like that old man has got some fans in here!
==================
First off, saying “damn near” means you counted.
Tell me you aren’t that pathetic.
———————
From here on out this is now the
“KoolKell Tribune Blog”
Inside The Kool Kell
By KoolKell – NFL Writer
Monday, 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
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So your answer is “yes, I am that pathetic”.
thanks for playin
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LoL…dude your funny!!
That makes two more…your in on it too!!
February 28th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Tony, tell me where you work and I’ll tell you where I work.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Tony, I don’t feel too guilty diverting someone who’s trying to get personal information about me. Most people would call it common sense.
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weak, even by your standards.
again, you’re a proven liar. No one expects you to ever cop any info that’s valid.
My point is you’re a lying dog regarding having a job.
That’s why you avoid the question on how can you be here every day, during swingshift hrs, when you profess to be working during those hrs?
You’re here becuz your lying azz is as everyone states, unemployed.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Tony, tell me where you work and Ill tell you where I work. You’d have to be an idiot if you think I’m going to give you details of my personal life and work when you haven’t given any about yours.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Ahh, the off season… when the sissified slap-fights in here spike to a new frenzied high.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
What is this stupid game this guy is playing? He’s sitting here asking me all of these questions about my personal life. Why? Why do you care, Tony? What do you do? Where do you work? Why should anyone give you one single detail about what they do, or whether or not they’re employed, if you’re not going to give up any such information about yourself?
February 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Tony, why would anyone lie about being unemployed? A lot of people are unemployed right now. It’s nothing to be ashamed of. At least it’s not to me.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Anyhow, it’s been 10 minutes since Archive Tony left a comment, looks like he’s done. I’ll check later to see what his response is. You can play this stupid game all you want, Tony. Just know that every time you pry into my personal life, I’m prying into yours. Later.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
You unemployed, or working MR?
You state you have a job.
Then you stated why would anyone lie about being unemployed? That you aren’t ashamed of it.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
All that matters is if homie can catch the ball. TE’s without natural catching ability is pretty much useless.
February 28th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Ugly time of year, IMO.
Sports page takes 5 min to read. Golf? Tennis? Nascar?
yeech
February 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Isn’t any receiver, without natural catching abilities, pretty much useless?
February 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Should have a over/under bet, or something, going on, whether or not the CBA gets done or not.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
171.Stak Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Isn’t any receiver, without natural catching abilities, pretty much useless?
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read:DHB
February 28th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Yeah, DHB is the poster child for useless
February 28th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
As good as Z Miller is as a receiver, which is very good, it seems that injuries, and not being a strong blocker could make him expendible. I’m not saying he SHOULD go, but the team could see it this way.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Time to hold players accountable for wat they got signed to do.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Raiders anyone? Oh RMR found some dumb enuff to engage his psychosis. damb…
outy
February 28th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Hey 00! We had like a dozen football only posts in a row!
February 28th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
I’m also glad to see my Nevada boy Colin Kaepernick moving up the charts. Much more of that and he’ll be out of the Raiders reach, unfortunately.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
So much for football talk. GO RAIDERS! later
February 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Still not buying this new secondary. Routt, CJ, Branch, Eugene….that’s garbage.
The remaining dollars should go to Nnamdi and Miller and call it the day. The only other free agent I want see in lieu of those two is Sidney Rice.
It took the Raiders TWENTY-FIVE years to find a TE of Miller’s capability….and you guys are so cavalier about dumping him.
This team is going to struggle if this is all the relevant signings they make. TEams generally don’t get better getting rid of All-Pros or near All-Pros
February 28th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
I really hope we dont get rid of mr. Reliable miller for the 2011 version of Rickey Dudley.. I remain optimistic but I woulda have like to see him sign with everyone else last week
February 28th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Miller isn’t going anywhere.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
I like Miller, but in reality he’s just not as good as most think.
He has good hands, but good TE’s have to be good at blocking, and in that area Miller is just mediocre.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Once again….the two main players the Raiders should target with that Round 2 pick are Center Steve Wisnewski or RT/RG Marcus Cannon IMO!
If Hue wants to build a bully on that O-Line, those are the two guys to target.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Letting Miller go would just create another hole on a team that already has too many. Even Al isn’t crazy enough to let that happen.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Actually Miller is an above average blocker. The thing that hurt him this year was him being injured on and off during the season.
He has proven to be a more than capable blocker when is 100% healthy.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Does anyone think this would be a good year to get a gap control huge D tackle that can stop the run. We have d tackles who can get after the qb but year after year, stopping the run, is the main problem. we need someone who takes up space, takes up blocks and lets the lb’s do there job. i say figure out a way to get that d tackle from oregon state.
February 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
DKnight007,
Wisniewski is not a 2nd round pick and he’s not a sure fire starter. Just because he’s related to old Wisniewski means jack spit that it transfers to him.
Make selections based on whether they can play or not…not lineage or 40x
February 28th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
186.YoungAmerican Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Letting Miller go would just create another hole on a team that already has too many. Even Al isn’t crazy enough to let that happen.
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It took the Raiders 25 years to find a TE of Miller’s capability. I agree moving Miller creates another unfillable hole and will deep six an already fragile offense
February 28th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
I think Ijalana should be right up there with Wiz and Cannon. Dude’s huge, has a massive reach, and solid footwork. Could play guard or right tackle, both of which the Raiders could use.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
188.anthonyraiders Says:
February 28th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Does anyone think this would be a good year to get a gap control huge D tackle that can stop the run. We have d tackles who can get after the qb but year after year, stopping the run, is the main problem. we need someone who takes up space, takes up blocks and lets the lb’s do there job. i say figure out a way to get that d tackle from oregon state.
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Not going to happen. Raiders like pass rush penetrators…not line absorbing run stuffers
February 28th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Well a man can hope. We need a run stuffer on the líne and henderson is not the answer.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
I wonder how many GM’s are missing from the Combine?
February 28th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Apparently the Raiders have met with both Phil Taylor and Jarrell Powe this offseason, so there is some hope.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Well i am going to believe the raiders will have a good draft again and work on the line. OL, DL, OLB and corner. no recievers.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Taylor or powe would be awesome. I hope the raiders figure out a way to keep miller. JC is just average and wthout miller, the raiders will be in trouble.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
You’d think it would be helpful for a GM to be able to go eyeball to eyeball with some of these kids, no?
Walk around the combine, scrutinizing…..is that why they invented the combine?
Davis did admit they do a terrible job of background checking. Dude never gets out of his office.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
The fact that the Raiders have Wauffle there to coach the Dlineman at the combine is a huge plus because that is the deepest area in this draft. If we can get a Dlineman at a good value. That will be a hude help. If you know what you’re doing a TE can be had as well as a Olineman in the mid rnds.
February 28th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Seems he did a good job from his toilet last year, as long as the job gets done that’s all that matters…………same ol’ crybaby with the same ol’ whine. Try another angle man or team or something………GAWD!!
February 28th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Well i believe in jackson and while davis is tossing money all over the place in oakland, jackson is finding some good prospects for both lines. When jackson gets back to oakland though the trick will be to make davis believe these prospects are 6′5 350 and run a 4′2.