Gallery takes the high road
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, March 9th, 2011 at 7:50 am in Oakland Raiders.
Robert Gallery spoke fondly of his time with the Raiders and declined to address the club’s unusual tactic of publicly discussing his contract issue.
At the Ed Block Courage Award dinner in Baltimore, Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post caught with Gallery, who had no reaction to the club breaking its long-held policy of not discussing contract matters in regard to his departure.
“What was mutually agreed upon were his numbers he wanted, and his agent wanted, were way out of line,” Herrera said. “He was asking for too much money. “He wanted $8 million; we were at $2.5 million. It was just way out of line with what we thought was reasonable.”
Said Gallery: “My parents always told me to be professional, be classy and tell the truth,” Gallery said. “What he chose to say is his business, and I really don’t have any comment on what he said. I’ve always told the truth.”
Gallery emphasized he “loved playing for Mr. Davis” but that “they’re moving in a different direction.”
Before last Thursday’s deadline, the Raiders signed Daniel Loper to a two-year contract which pays him $1.9 million this year. Loper started four games Gallery missed due to injury in 2010. He could end up being a starter unless the Raiders either land a starter in the draft. Bruce Campbell, a fourth-round pick a year ago who played exclusively at right guard, will be given every opportunity to win a starting job in training camp, pending resolution of a collective bargaining agreement.
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March 9th, 2011 at 7:53 am
1st
March 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Good luck in Seattle!
March 9th, 2011 at 7:59 am
# phatcable Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Davis- God of Pigskin
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yeah a God who always says no…
♬ Yeah, I know I’m in trouble ♬
♬ A case of the unkindest kind ♬
♬ But I resent being reminde ♬
♬ About what’s already on my mind ♬
♬ When hope beats high ♬
♬ And I wake up with a sleepy grin ♬
♬ The dream I fell asleep to ♬
♬ Just blew up; I know I never win.. ♬
♬ I’m prayin’ to a God who always says.. ♬
♬ I’m prayin’ to a God who always says: No! ♬
♬ I’m down on my knees for crying out low.. ♬
♬ I’m prayin’ to a God that always says: No!! ♬
♬ The light at the end of the tunnel ♬
♬ Is nothing but the burglar alarm ♬
♬ Praying to a God that always says ♬
♬ I’m prayin’ to a God that always says: No! ♬
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy27BSJj0pI
March 9th, 2011 at 8:00 am
# Kirk Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 6:08 am
No blitzing = Losing
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absolutely true! but too much blitzing makes it too transparent… 40% of all efensive snaps should ahve some kind of blitz, but with more than 50% and it will not work..
March 9th, 2011 at 8:06 am
For being 5′11″ this kid has hops!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgcml1Wx1w&feature=player_embedded#at=107
March 9th, 2011 at 8:24 am
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Daniel Loper is not the answer. He’s a 29yr old, former 5th round pick who’s only got 18 games of experience under his belt over 6 seasons in the NFL. There’s a reason he never broke the starting line up in Tennessee or Detroit,….he IS NOT an NFL caliber starter. Period.
The Raiders have a major hole at LG. The need for a solid LG even more critical given the fact that we’ve got an inexperienced LT. WE NEED TO DRAFT A COUPLE STUD 0-LINEMAN!! This game is won and lost in the trenches. Every year the Raiders have been good it’s because they could run the ball and protect the QB. It’s a very easy formula.
My fear is Al is going to take a DB with our 2nd round pick.
March 9th, 2011 at 8:35 am
“Continuity” is the key word when it comes to having a successful O-line.
March 9th, 2011 at 8:39 am
Gallery can take the high road,low road,bumpy road, smooth road, side road, back road I’ll take the I dont give a fk road! Get your sorry ass outta here. Gallery is epitome of the trash scum years we have had. 03 year we just had too many old guys and run was done. But the BS STARTED the day we drafted him
March 9th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Al is not drafting a CB in round 2 people. Last year most didnt expect Al to draft a MLB and he did. Al gonna do what he thinks is right because he like myself believes we are really close. Expect an OL or DL selection. We got our speed demons
March 9th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Damn R8eray….that 5′11 white dude got crazy bounce!
March 9th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Guys stop worrying about blitziing. We will do it at times. We not gonna be a blitz crazy team but blitz will be used. I wanna stop the run
March 9th, 2011 at 8:59 am
I hope you are right Bauce Madness.
Personally I think our D-line is set. We’re bringing everyone back and assuming we avoid a rash of injuries we’re pretty deep there.
I’d like them to target a least (2) O-linemen, one of which is a center or has experience playing center. Then I’d like to see us take a brusier of a FB and maybe another TE. I’m not sure about B.Myers.
Also,…any chance we make a splash in free agency? What about taking Steve Breaston from the Cardinals?
March 9th, 2011 at 8:59 am
If Nnamdi leaves, I have no problem with Al taking a DB in the second round. I want to see the OL addressed in the draft AND free agency, not going to get too wrapped up in which pick it is as long as it’s in round 2-4.
March 9th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Albinator….yes we need a smasher out there at FB….i like reece catch ability and he can even run it some but I hope they find one cuz in power scheme youll need it. DL is almost set. Need a young run stuffer in the mold of Henderson and we will need another DE BUT THAT WILL BE IN 5TH-6TH round. Yep a center and guard is mandatory
March 9th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Breaston isnt a bad idea.He has produced in the NFL but can he be a number one? Is a michigan man tho
March 9th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Davy as long as Al doesnt picka DHB type i wont trip
March 9th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Gallery should take the “high” road and get a haircut. The only guys that should have long hair are 80’s rockers and Jesus.
March 9th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Kyle Boller is back and Hiram Eugene is getting starter money?
LOL!
I thought re-signing Bennett & Brown was bad …
March 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am
MY hair is always in style ! lol
March 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I like the Boller signing we need another QB on the roster.but hiram sucks he cant cover bread if he was covered in mustard
March 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Routt, CJ37, Mitchell & Branch are all under contract.
there is your secondary
Veldheer-Loper-Satele-Campbell are under contract and will start. RT is the big question since Henderson is a RFA (was he tendered?), Walker & Barnes are UFA’s
Carlisle is still under contract as well, so he could stay at RG and the RT job could belong to Bruce Campbell !?!?!?
March 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Somehow I can’t shake the feeling that Al is going to either draft a FS in his first couple picks, or draft a CB in his first couple picks and convert him to FS.
March 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am
BBL gents!
March 9th, 2011 at 9:31 am
When Lechler was running his mouth about the Cable firing, weren’t two of the names he threw under the bus Nnamdi Asomougha and Robert Gallery?
March 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Without legitimate upgrades to the secondary or offensive line, there’s very little chance the Raiders are going to do any better than last season. Unless A) Jason Campbell all of a sudden emerges as an all-world QB, or B) the front seven all of a sudden start playing out of their minds, and stopping the run in spite of a d-line of pass rushers with man coverage behind.
March 9th, 2011 at 9:35 am
I guess it was Michael Bush and Robert Gallery. At least Bush got a tender.
March 9th, 2011 at 9:46 am
# Bauce Madness Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 9:07
Breaston isnt a bad idea.He has produced in the NFL but can he be a number one? Is a michigan man tho
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Thanks for the props. Breaston is solid and reliable. Go Blue. Maybe we trade that square peg Condo for him?
March 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Guess this ices it… Al’s gonna have to take an o-Lineman in the first round of the draft.
Oops, I mean with the 49th pick in the draft.
March 9th, 2011 at 9:49 am
instead of breaston I would rather have Mike Sims-Walker from the jags
March 9th, 2011 at 9:53 am
drew, 47th pick!
March 9th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Al Davis has been the brains behind awesome teams for over 40 years. He’s been an innovator and one of the game’s most influential executives. And I believe he can help lead this team back to great success. But he can be a vindictive b@st@rd, and it cheapens the entire organization.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Morning peoples!
March 9th, 2011 at 10:19 am
I can’t see why what both individuals said concerning the Gallery issue can’t be true. All Gallery said was that they made a mutual decision that he would not be re-signed and Herrera said they wanted too much money. IMO that’s how you arrive at a mutual decision to part ways. If I’m wrong someone correct me.
I believe Gallery and I also believe Herrera.
As I said last night I don’t think the contract Eugene signed is necessarily starter money he is a valued ST’s guy others have made even more who were teams guys. Teams are 1/3 of the game your best ST’s players will garner some significant contracts. Plus he is good enough to help in the secondary in a pinch.
Loper as well I’m not saying he can’t start I’m just saying a starting LG at that price is pretty cheap. I felt last year that Loper was a keeper, maybe not a starter but definitely a keeper.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I felt last year that Loper was a keeper, maybe not a starter but definitely a keeper.
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Agreed.
And yeah, I definitely don’t think Eugene is going to be handed the starting job. He’s a key special teams player who should definitely be retained, though. If he IS the starter when the season rolls around, however, it’s not going to be a good situation for the Raiders.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I say lets bring in Santana Moss, to hook up w/ Campbell again.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Based on Al’s history, it’s obvious to me that Al felt like he was dumped by Gallery. Anytime Al rolls out his lap dog Herrera, it’s an automatic red flag that Al has a score to settle. Another day in Raiderland. Good luck Robert. Not worth the #2 pick but def an NFL starter.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:24 am
I wonder if MM has the range to play FS? I know he can cover better than Branch.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Loper signing was good. The guy played solid last year.
Eugene…ugghhh…dude can’t tackle. I remember him getting blasted by Ronnie Brown in Miami and stiff armed by McGahee in Oakland.
Now we got Routt and Eugene back there that can’t tackle worth a damn.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Santana Moss, Steve Breaston, James Jones, and Mike Sims-Walker would all be good options for the Raiders. And Al will not sign any of them.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I say no to Mike Sims-Walker. Dude has trouble w/ getting seperation at the line of scrimmage.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am
I’ll give you $1.49 for Steve Breaston and a hot cup of coffee. Our recieving corps, as it is now, will surprise some people next year. Maybe I’m hopelessly optomistic, but I think DHB is going to break out next season and IF Chaz can stay healthy (I know) Ford, Murphy, Miller. I think we are ok. —— Alright, you got me. I’m just kidding.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Look for the Raiders to resign Nnamdi.
Think about it man. If your squad plays man coverage 99% of the time and you have a corner that can lock down half of the field. Why wopuld you not want to bring him back? Rod Woodson there to coach up the guy who he already mentored as well.
Pay him the d@mn money Al. He is not a Russell, Walker, or Hall.
March 9th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Replacing Gallery and Nnamdi is going to be key for this tem to make it. Huff I am not as worried about we have a # of DBs to take his place.
March 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Having a solid secondary and Oline can always be called key to any team. I’m hoping Nnamdi is going to stay, however at this point that seems remote. We really lucked out with Ware and McFadden both kids can play. That takes someof the sting out of losing Nnamdi if it happens. If we can get another talented kid in here that will be even better.
As these young players continue to develope you’ll be surprised by their ability some of them. When I watch Des Bryant play late last year I was shocked at how much potential that kid has. He very well might push for a starting spot and I think that is the reason for Seymour’s short contract. If Chaz and Ford are our starting WR’s next year we’ll be in great shape there. With Murphy and DHB coming off the bench you’re pretty good. I really think CHaz will have a breakout year next year he is similar to DBowe in KC. Just add more depth.
The backfield is set in my mind with great talent and depth. If we start off with a settled cohesive unit on the Oline this offense will be down right scary.
March 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am
JFB….you almost had me!
March 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
The emergence of Houston and Bryant will be huge. The Raiders were smart in basically giving Seymour two one-year deals. He can help the lead the young guys for a couple seasons until they’re ready to make names for themselves.
March 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am
help by leading the young guys*
March 9th, 2011 at 11:28 am
DMAC Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I say no to Mike Sims-Walker. Dude has trouble w/ getting seperation at the line of scrimmage.
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So does DHB but at least MSW can catch the ball…
March 9th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Loper as well I’m not saying he can’t start I’m just saying a starting LG at that price is pretty cheap. I felt last year that Loper was a keeper, maybe not a starter but definitely a keeper.
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Loper may or may not be able to start but I think its insulting to tell Gallery we will give you 2.5 mill, then give a career backup 2 mill… I also think it insulting to us as fans to say that Nnamdi is too expensive at 17 mill (he is) then sign Routt to 10 Mill a year (he aint even close. 6 mill was top dollar for Routt imo)
March 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
BHP is right about the money “we” are paying these guys…what’s all the hyperventilating about?
History shows that the most important, or largest, portion of NFL contracts is paid in the first year or two…and bonuses make up the biggest chunk of guaranteed money.
Kam Wimbley?? Gotta pay the man. Hey, we’re lucky to have one of the League’s new sack leaders on the team…and you can’t afford to lose a guy who appears to be one of our best trades in years (just like Seymour). If Wimbley improves his overall game, his star continues to rise.
Routt, Loper and Eugene??
Routt might not have maxed-out his guaranteed money elsewhere like he did here…but he was going to get a HUGE raise from somebody, and his bonus/es would have put him in the elite category of CB’s wherever he landed. Routt’s got talent. I’m glad he’s right where he started.
Loper’s money is a relative drop in the bucket for an O-lineman, especially a potential starter…anywhere else, if you include a signing bonus, he probably would’ve received at least the amount he’s to get here…and if he does turn into a quality (even part-time) starter, his price will be a bargain.
Eugene is one of those guys who is better than the average fan might ever realize. Because of a few recognizable TV failures, he’s been labeled as a poor tackler. That’s far from true…when he’s properly leveraged, he’s a vicious tackler. He’s actually one of the team’s bigger hitters, and he’s just now coming into his own as well. He gets to the ball in a hurry, something we have a trouble doing as a team sometimes. It’s not time to let Eugene go anywhere else.
The prices are high…but you gotta pay to keep your players. Al is getting it done…and there isn’t much to go on right now that says he’s wrong about the above players.
Glass more than half-full!
March 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Mornin
March 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
The bad moves so far and potential bad moves by old man Al:
1. Not keeping Nnamdi and getting NOTHING in return
2. Not keeping Huff
3. Not negotiating with Gallery
4. Hiring Bresnahan as DC
5. Over paying Routt
6. Over paying Eugene
March 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Gallery-gate?? jerry McD should be ashamed of himself for trying to stir it up so…
When one side says they want a certain amount, and the other side says they will only pay a certain amount…it sounds like a mutual agreement to disagree.
If the Raiders had just let Gallery go, without explaining to the masses that they at least tried to keep him (albeit at a relative bargain price), people — many people in here no doubt — would have vilified Al.
Gallery was well-paid here…even after renegotiating his contract a few times to accommodate team needs. Explaining the situation to questioning fans (and media) what it would’ve taken to keep Gallery here was exactly the right thing to do…and I didn’t see anybody in here say he should’ve been retained for $8Mill per.
March 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am
when you over pay guys like Routt and Eugene, there is a residual effect for that. Guys who are better than Routt and Eugene will now need to be paid a whole lot more than those guys. That will eventually limit how much cash you have left to build your team.
Sorry but these are just more bad moves by Al. I doubt Bresh was what Hue wanted. Good luck Hue.
March 9th, 2011 at 11:53 am
If we put the worst db’s in the leauge back there, I swear some of us on here would proudly proclaim that we are solid in our backfield. Gotta give it to you guys for being so positive regardless of reality.
March 9th, 2011 at 11:56 am
We really lucked out with Ware and McFadden both kids can play. That takes some of the sting out of losing Nnamdi if it happens
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LOL @ TJ!
March 9th, 2011 at 11:59 am
IF Chaz can stay healthy
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#41 JWB
here we go again!
March 9th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
when you over pay guys like Routt and Eugene, there is a residual effect for that. Guys who are better than Routt and Eugene will now need to be paid a whole lot more than those guys. That will eventually limit how much cash you have left to build your team.
Loper may or may not be able to start but I think its insulting to tell Gallery we will give you 2.5 mill, then give a career backup 2 mill… I also think it insulting to us as fans to say that Nnamdi is too expensive at 17 mill (he is) then sign Routt to 10 Mill a year (he aint even close. 6 mill was top dollar for Routt imo)
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Agreed with BCZ & AIG!
March 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
he’s a vicious tackler. He’s actually one of the team’s bigger hitters, and he’s just now coming into his own as well. He gets to the ball in a hurry, something we have a trouble doing as a team sometimes. It’s not time to let Eugene go anywhere else
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wow!
HD37 = Hiram Eugene’s agent?
March 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
The only way to know if a player is overpaid is to compare his to the prices others are getting at similar positions.
How much do starting CB’s make in the NFL? Is Routt in the top half of CB’s out there? He’s way above average at the position, and he was going to be paid like it.
Eugene’s price is much like Loper’s price to me…if the player is an integral part of your plans, and he’s going to make a “similar” paycheck elsewhere, it would just be stupid to let the player go.
Until the Nnamdi and Huff situations become clearer, and even after they do, I think signing Eugene was the right thing to do. And his price wasn’t exorbitant by NFL FA standards, either…half the teams out there would’ve probably put out a feeler for his services had he been let go. The Raiders are far from the only team with questions at the Safety position.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Gallery takes the high road
Robert Gallery spoke fondly of his time with the Raiders and declined to address the club’s unusual tactic of publicly discussing his contract issue.
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Wow, an 81 year old man, constantly on the low-road. While 20 somethings take the high-road.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
KK — Was Gallery worth $8Mill per to you?
I’m a big fan of Robert Gallery…but I dunno if $8Mill is what I pay him.
Nobody trashed Robert, and nobody said he didn’t do a good job for the Raiders.
It amazes me how many people are bashing Al for letting everybody know what really happened with Gallery…it’s what people were clammoring for.
Pretty low of the Raiders for explaining to their fans why they couldn’t keep the guy. How dare they explain things!!
March 9th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
We agree to disagree on those two young corners but having them on the roster is much better than not having them. They both showed promise IMO especially McFadden prior to his injury. Not saying they are capable of Nnamdi’s ability just saying they can play. As they develope we’ll see who was wrong.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
At the Ed Block Courage Award dinner in Baltimore, Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post caught with Gallery, who had no reaction to the club breaking its long-held policy of not discussing contract matters in regard to his departure.
“What was mutually agreed upon were his numbers he wanted, and his agent wanted, were way out of line,” Herrera said. “He was asking for too much money. “He wanted $8 million; we were at $2.5 million. It was just way out of line with what we thought was reasonable.”
Said Gallery: “My parents always told me to be professional, be classy and tell the truth,” Gallery said. “What he chose to say is his business, and I really don’t have any comment on what he said. I’ve always told the truth.”
March 9th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
HazeDaze
If John Herrera ran your mother down in a garbage truck, you’d be Kool with it.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Someone is def related to Hiram Eguene on here.
Did someone just said Eugene is a hard hitter?????????
Here is Eugene getting embarrassed by McGahee. Are you sure he’s is a hard hitter?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWbfIbUqcrw
March 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Gallery was not coming back and prob told Al he was going with Cable. Al is just bitter and decided to take the low road on this. Dont get sucked into the money propaganda.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
You guys take ONE PLAY in 500 and think that means something. Just flat out retarded…….if you play in the NFL you’re going to get embarrassed at least a few times. GROW UP!!
March 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Wow the Raiders finally make a peep about a player non-contract and some people make it out to be a negative thing??? Why?
If you are not a fan of the Raiders, I can see you bashing for ANY reason, but if you are a REAL Raider fan ANY information is good info. And not paying Robert Gallerbust’s non-left tackle playin self is a smart decision by Al Davis!
Raider on believers.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Actually, no KK, I wouldn’t be cool with it. I disagree with a lot of what Herrera does, and with quite a bit of what Al does.
You’re looking for dirt where there ain’t no dirt…
Where did Gallery say the Raiders didn’t tell the truth?
If the writer wanted to, he could’ve asked Gallery if he really wanted $8Mill per. But, he only dug for a reaction to the Raiders’ statement…hoping for a salacious comment (which he didn’t get).
That is failure of Journalism 101…and taken right out of the TMZ playbook. Is there a story? Maybe…but let’s go for the dirt instead. Failure of Journalism 102 occurred when JMcD put that same garbage “news” on his blog…to stir-up exactly what he did.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Its not wrong for the Raiders to say Gallery wanted 8 mill we wanted to give him 2.5 and the rift was to big to negotiate. The problem is the WAY they did it. They never talk contracts publicly, so they obviously had an agenda. This was the organization trying to humiliate gallery in public for thinking he was worth $8 mill. Just like Al called Nnamdi out for not being worth $17 mil.
You cant overpay 47 guys on your roster and then try to humiliate 6 others because they wont play for what you think they are worth.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
BCZ
They can be offended by the money request or they can be offended by the player not wanting to be with them. Usually it’s the latter that ticks off Al Davis. I believe in the latter.
To the other fellow on here…
I didnt realize Eugene made 500 plays. I doubt anyone on this blog can recall anything special Eugene did for us, even just one play.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Dirty Rac
It’s not about Gallery. It’s about how our org aka Al Davis pull these lame stunts to embarrass the org. In trying to embarrass the player, he ended up embarrassing himself. We didnt need to roll out the lapdog Herrera.
Al is acting like a scorned woman that just got dumped.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
I got to give credit to Eugene for playing outstanding Special Teams, but FS??????
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March 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
HayezDaze, what is “Journalism 101″? What do you know about journalism? Have you ever taken a journalism course?
March 9th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
That’s exactly what I’m talking about some people in here don’t their butt from a hole in the ground.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Aig and RRS conveniently leave out where I say when Eugene is “properly leveraged” he is a vicious hitter.
One thing’s for sure…if he does get run-over (a lot less than one might think, looking at some of the comments in here)…it’s because he’s IN FRONT OF THE BALL-CARRIER, as opposed to chasing him down from behind, which we’ve done for years around here. Eugene recognizes/reacts to plays as fast as any of our other DB’s do now.
The McGahee embarrassment is unfortunate, but happened only because Eugene wasn’t leveraged for the hit when he got there. A 200-lb RB with a head of steam can knock-over a 400-lb Sumo wrestler if the man-mountain isn’t set for the hit.
Eugene getting rocked at the goal-line a few years ago was much the same…he got there, and ALMOST made the play but got rocked hard. That play cost him, and the team.
Anybody remember Dorsett, Stu, et al…chasing everything down from behind (or trying to)?? Give me Eugene all day long…especially since he’s still GETTING BETTER at his job.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Our offensive line is now worse. Our QB depth chart is now worse. Hue’s got his hands full. Al is basically saddling him with a team similar to what Art Shell was stuck with. And we know how that went.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Free agency and the draft havent happened. Its a little early to compare this team to the team Art Shell had.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I just said the o line and the qb depth chart is worse. It is. It’s not too early to say that. It’s a fact.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
MR — I’ve done more than you will ever do, and ever know. And…your embarrassment/lack of self-esteem as a failed writer needs to stop fueling your obsessed desire to tangle with me…
…when at least I know the difference between WHETHER and RATHER!
I don’t feel like embarrassing you further today, MR…go get somebody else to chase your lonely tail for you.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
HayesDaze, again, what do you know about journalism? Have you ever taken a journalism course? Why are you telling journalists how to be journalists when you don’t have the first clue about journalism?
March 9th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Boy Oh boy!! we’re in MARCH and people are talking about what our QB depth and Oline look like.
THIS IS MARCH not SEPTEMBER…………..lol
March 9th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
ZZZZzzzzz
Got any football to discuss, MR?
March 9th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
No, I have no football to discuss. Not now. I want to harass the moron who’s lecturing people about journalism when he doesn’t have the slightest clue as to what journalism is himself. You’ve never taken a journalism course, yet you’re holding professional journalists to a standard of “journalism 101″? You can’t be serious.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
John Herrera is a slime ball,mentored by another slime ball.To those that say Gallery wanted $8 million it is called negotiations.Both sides throw out a number and you try and meet somewhere in the middle.The Raiders had no intention of negotiating so they pulled their classless BS to make Gallery look bad.Any other time they would give the typical”we don’t discuss contract negotiations in public” answer.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
I’d whether go eat lunch, than stay and chat with you, MR. Would you whether I stay here and chat with you? Or would you whether I go?
Rather or not I stay is up to you, you know. How you feel, MR, is how I decide rather I stay or go, you know.
Rather or not you realize it, MR, you are a whether funny contributor in here. Sometimes.
March 9th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Yes, priest, we’re in March. I didn’t say that the team couldn’t get better by the start of the season. I just said we’re already getting worse. QB depth chart is worse. FACT. Gradkowski is far better than Boller. Boller is now our #2 backup. We’re a better football team with Gradkowski backing up Campbell. That is an easily provable fact. Line is worse without Gallery. It is. We lost one lineman, and we didn’t have to. He was also jettisoned in an unnecessary and classless fashion. Team is already worse, already throwing former players under the bus. Already showing signs of dysfunction and chaos. We’re a worse football team today than we were at season’s end. Fact.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
HD,
I think we can say that all tacklers would be vicious if they can get the leverage coming into the tackle. Sorry man. I dont buy it on Eugene as a tackler. Comparing him to Dorsett and Stu is an attempt to compare bad safety A vs bad safety B vs bad safety C.
Now if they pay him as a special teamer and believe he is the answer to our ST coverage then fine. Dude has been in the league since 2006 and this will be his 6th year….btw, dude was born in 1980 so that makes him 32 coming into this year. Aint much to improve on for a 32 year old safety IMO.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Enjoy your lunch, HayesDaze. Sorry we never caught your explanation of what “journalism 101″ is. Of course, this is because you have no clue what it is, either. But I guess it’s just fun to say, right? See you later.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
**meant to say 31 years old not 32
March 9th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Aig — What I said is…to know if a player is overpaid, one must compare what he would make on the open market to what he makes here…and I think Eugene would make a similar paycheck elsewhere.
Is Eugene a great DB? NO. Is he being paid like one?? NO. Is he an asset to his team, at more than one position? Absolutely.
Hiram Eugene isn’t breaking the bank…and finding someone to replace him would likely cost even more. Why change just for the sake of change?
March 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Lefty12 what does it matter the end result is the same. If Galllery wanted to follow Cable it’s his right he’s a FA. But calling them liars is speculative because we don’t know. Those that like Mr Davis will say one thing those that do will say something else. Pointless he’s gone and it is obvious that it was his choice………….period
March 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
A writer could post a story totally biased FOR the Raiders, that is basically an advertisement for Raider football. It can violate every single ethic of journalism. It can spin facts, avoid negative facts, etc. And I’m sure then HayesDaze would be fuming at the clear violations of what he calls “journalism 101″. LOL
March 9th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Ohh…and he’s 30 until the end of November.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
I thought you had a lunch date, Hayes? Does this mean you were lying about all of those other hot lunch dates?
March 9th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
HD I doubt anyone would pay Routt 10 mil per year or Eugene 2 mil per year. We can leave it at that.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
HD37 some in here have their favorites and dislikes and if the organization sees things differently then obviously they’re wrong and the poster is right.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
“Sure thing, babe. I loved your spread in the SI swimsuit issue. Let’s meet for lunch at Jack London, say, 130? I just have to put a few fools in check on a blog, then I’ll be right over. I might be late.”
March 9th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Priest,fine,he was free to go and the Raiders were willing to let him go.That should be the end of it.There was no logical reason for Herrera to come out and say what he did.Just another low life move.Are our players negotiations made public?Did the Raiders come out and say(this is just an example) we are talking with Seymour and his opening salary request is $18 million.No they don’t do things like that.But slime ball felt it necessary to publicly state Gallery’s opening request.Why,but to turn people against him,knowing most would say $8 mil. is too much for him.Unnecessary and classless!
March 9th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
MR — Does it really bother you so, that I can write better than you…even though I didn’t spend the $599 ($499 with coupon) for screenwriting lessons??
How many classes must I have taken, and how many degrees must I have, before you are completely humiliated the way you need to be? I’ve graduated from more classes than you’ve ever dreamt of…and unlike you, I continue to strive for higher learning.
I’m hungry now, and you’re not ruining my appetite like you’ve ruined your outlook on life, MR.
Despite your life of negative energy…
I remain in a great mood.
And it’s STILL a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
March 9th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
See what I mean, 32 teams and NO ONE will pay them what they got………….lol these guys are a joke!!
March 9th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
priest, was I wrong about the team being worse since season’s end? We are. QB depth chart is worse. Gradkowski is better backup than Boller. Period. Indisputable. Line is worse without Gallery. Team just threw Gallery under the bus, for no reason at all. Signs of more chaos and dysfunction. A great end to a season, and it’s almost all been nullified now. Instead of building on a much improved team, they’re chipping away at it.
Head coach: gone.
Arguably the best backup QB in the game: gone
Offensive lineman pivotal in the Raiders’ new found run attack: gone
overall spirit following huge season finale win: gone, the minute Cable was fired. Immediate backlash from players, locker room split.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Lefty12 OK fine I just don’t feel that strongly about it either way. I couldn’t care less because I don’t know the facts.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Herrera is the ultimate lap dog. Can someone please start a “Fire John Herrera” website?
March 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Who the FK cares, what AL said. What Herrera said. What Gallery said. What the whole organization says. Gallery is ready to move on and that’s just fine. So is Al. End of story.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Anyone who believes Routt would not have gotten a big contract somewhere,either here or elsewhere,isn’t being realistic.Of course that would include most people on here.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Amen DMAC!
March 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Hayes, I never said I could write better than anyone. I just wanted to know what your explanation of “journalism 101″ was. Wanted to know if you’ve ever taken a course in journalism. Since you obviously haven’t (judging by your response to those questions), now I’m just wondering why you’d hold professional journalists to a standard that you call “journalism 101″ when you have not the slightest clue as to what it is yourself. That’s all I was saying Hayes. Enjoy your hot lunch date (wink).
March 9th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
It’s a matter of personal opinion of which we differ greatly. nuff said!!
March 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Pretty much.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RealMaddenRaider,…I’ve been on this blog 3 times. And each and every time you’re always wining about what you did or didn’t say. You are the most annoying mo’fo on this blog. Go become a 9er fan or someting.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Report: Owners, players agree on rookie scale
Yahoo Sports’ Jason Cole reports that the NFL and NFLPA have agreed on a “basic” compromise that would install a rookie wage scale to replace the current rookie salary cap.
The current “rookie cap” is totally ineffective. The wage scale would require teams to sign players to only three-year deals if they’re drafted after the first round. First rounders would get four-year contracts, but the monetary commitment would be much less. For instance, the owners proposed a $3.8 million-per-year max contract for the No. 1 overall pick. Top pick contracts will be quite a bit more once the players union has its say, but it still sounds like the deals will be a far cry from Sam Bradford’s $13 million-a-year blockbuster signed last year. Mar 9, 3:55 PM
Source: Yahoo Sports
March 9th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Looks like the Jamarcus Russell rule to me.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
What we’ve learned so far today:
HayesDaze isn’t happy with the journalistic standards of the sports media. We also learned he has no idea what journalistic standards are.
DMAC doesn’t want us to discuss our team’s owner publicly trashing a former player for no reason.
Albitor has only been to this blog 3 times, yet he knows me like we’re next door neighbors.
It’s been enlightening, boys.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Priest,I know it isn’t a big deal.It is just another example that makes the organization look petty and dysfunctional-unnecessary.The double standard bothers me.Davis talked about how Cable made the organization look bad with the Hanson incident and his history of slapping his wife yet this makes the organization look just as bad.Hypocrisy and double standards-2 things I can’t stand.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
OK,I’m done venting.You all can go back discussing your wish lists,which BTW,will probably never happen and you can come back in 2 or 3 years and say you knew we should have taken so and so with our 1st pick in the 2nd rd.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Lefty, I’m starting to like you. You’ve becoming a bona-fied Al basher. Welcome to the good guys.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Lefty12 getting the organization sued and talking about a specific contract is a bad analogy. Cable didn’t say anything he just created way too much turmoil socking assistant coaches and slapping women. Is comparing a MOUNTAIN to a molehill. Listen I agree it would have been better not said but aren’t getting a little too nitpikky. I would compare not paying Cable his money to that before I would this stuff.
Listen it’s a non-issue as far as I’m concerned.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Apparently not all of the media thought it was an ‘unusual tactic of publicly discussing his contract issue’, because they thought it was off the record. So is off the record = public discussion when it is the Raiders?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?entry_id=84234
BAN THE TROLLS or at least make them stick to one made up persona per month.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
my impression of a RealMaddenRaider response to RealMadden Raider:
“I never said I knew you like a next door neighbor. What I said was you’re always wining and getting caught up with the stupid symantics of other’s posts rather than talking football”
Look at yourself. You’ve annoyed the sh*t out of three of us. You think that’s by coincedence?
Go play your X-box or start your fantasy mock draft or something. Leave this blog to men talking football and bringing quality smacktalk. Your sniveling is SO f*cking annoying.
For the sake of the rest of the group, this is the last time I will address you.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Wow. Hear that, guys? This is a blog where MEN, MEN, I tell you, talk FOOTBALL! MEN talk FOOTBALL here! MEN like ALBINATOR! He’s a MAN, man!
March 9th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
103.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
priest, was I wrong about the team being worse since season’s end? We are. QB depth chart is worse. Gradkowski is better backup than Boller. Period. Indisputable. Line is worse without Gallery. Team just threw Gallery under the bus, for no reason at all. Signs of more chaos and dysfunction. A great end to a season, and it’s almost all been nullified now. Instead of building on a much improved team, they’re chipping away at it.
Head coach: gone.
Arguably the best backup QB in the game: gone
Offensive lineman pivotal in the Raiders’ new found run attack: gone
overall spirit following huge season finale win: gone, the minute Cable was fired. Immediate backlash from players, locker room split.
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Gotta agree here.
Normally I think your a lot of hog wash and just like to stir the pot, a ‘dont rock the boat, sink it’ kind of guy.
But in the midst of your confused babble and ramblings, seeing the locker room split is not good. And instead of building on a semi successful season (which by the way this could of been the year) they dismantle it, and thats not good.
But hey, Al knows what he’s doing, OK?
March 9th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
The Raiders were classless for publicly throwing Gallery under the bus. No hair splitting op ed in the Chron, that tries to play devil’s advocate and invoke the possibility of the Raiders being duped into thinking they were off the record, is going to change that. It’s called the media age. Ask Jerry Jones. Once your views go public, you’re never getting them back.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Now you know why the Raiders take the stance they do with the media. Take this example a file it.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
#124
Since when are the Raiders a class act. Doesn’t fit the Raider image. All just part of the M.O. People have to know Al is not afraid to throw anyone under the bus. Thats how people take advantage of you, when theyu know your soft. So don’t mess with Al. Al does’t care about class, he just wants rings.
Just win baby!
Commitment to Excellence
And the new slogan: Whatever it takes.
March 9th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Ooh, ok. Al’s not “soft”. Got it. His football team still sucks and he’s crazy.
March 9th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
127.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Ooh, ok. Al’s not “soft”. Got it. His football team still sucks and he’s crazy.
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Your missing the point. You do not mess with Al. He was probably offended by Gallerys request for 8 mil, pissed him off, so they counter offer with peanuts. Now if Gallery says 6 mil, he probably get 3.5, maybe 4. But our oline was bad, so Al just wants to start over. That simple.
March 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Two Cents:
Gallery was our best O-Lineman, but not worth $8M a year (big reason is the injuries in the last two years, missed 14 games.) Of Couse the Raiders never seem to handle disputes well. Gallery made it sound like the Raiders did not want to resign him:
“With the end of the league year coming today, and the few conversations I’ve had with the Raiders and Mr. Davis, we’ve come to a mutual agreement that it’s time for me to move on with my career,”
But the Raiders did want to resign him, but not to the contract he wanted.
Do you guys really think another team is going to give him $8M a year?
Or do you think that a team may give him what the Raiders were offering?
If the Raiders took the high road and said nothing and Gallery signed with the Seachickens for $2.5M a year, do you think the Raiders would not have gotten blasted by the fans and experts for not resigning Gallery?
March 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Ok, I won’t mess with Al. His football team still sucks, and it’s because he’s crazy. But I won’t mess with him. That’s a promise. OK?
March 9th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
No matter how anyone describes Big Al, all must agree that he has never hesitated to pay the players he wants to stay – Big time! This means that Gallery either did something to piss Al off, or Al just doesnt think he was a differencemaker worthy of being kept.. Thats just what it is, all we can do is speculate on the reason, no one knows besides AL!
One thing is for sure though, Big Al will do all he can to win, spend all the dollars he can, do whatever he believes it takes, and only time will tell if his major plan will play out to Raidernations advantage, or if we will have another mediocre or bad season!
Even if some disagrees with the moves, as i do with a couple, there is a larger picture, and evaluating the sum of moves is best done when the season is about to begin and we can see what we got and what we lost – a lot can happen between now and next season!
March 9th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Logan Makins is a pretty good guard, right? (Two time Pro Bowler and also a LG) Better than Gallery?
The Patriots were only willing to give him $3.26M tender last year and when he refused to sign it lowered it 110% of his starting salary to $1.54M.
The Patriots are seen as the class act? Is this how you treat your Pro Bowlers?
March 9th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Albinator Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RealMaddenRaider,…I’ve been on this blog 3 times. And each and every time you’re always wining about what you did or didn’t say. You are the most annoying mo’fo on this blog. Go become a 9er fan or someting.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soooo true!
Nobody does more backpeddeling than mr. Kinda like that chick at the 80’s skating wrink… Always going backwards!
From now on you will be known only as Roller Girl
March 9th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Oooh, ok. Al has never hesitated to pay the players he wants to stay – Big time! Got it. His team still sucks, year after year.
March 9th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
RMR, look, you cant argue with Big Als commitment to win, thats just pointless – he will do everything he thinks will help the Raiders back to glory!
You can be a critic of the choices he makes, the direction he chooses and the players and staff he decides to keep or bring in – as is why the majority of Raidernation would likely prefer a real GM was brought in.. But no matter what, Big Al runs this team and will until (if) he retires, and being a part of Raidernation is being a part of a team that is led by Old time great Big AL, whether you like it or not..
March 9th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Sooooo why do youu spend sooooo much time in here talking about it…………a little sick don’t you think?
March 9th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Dutch, I agree. The Patriots are classless, too. But because Al is such an a – hole, he gets the spotlight on him. The solution is for Al to finally shut his mouth and retire already, then the shannanigans of teams like the Patriots will move more into focus by default.
March 9th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Oooh, ok. I can’t argue with Big Al’s commitment to win. Got it. But I can still say that his teams suck every year, so he should probably retire. I can say that, I think. Yes, I think so.
March 9th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Why do you spend so much time here, priest?
March 9th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
I actually LIKE the team, and I don’t spend 1/10 of the time you do. Isn’t there anything else in your life worth your time? well go do it….
March 9th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
I like the team, too. Thats why I want Al to leave, so the team will improve! Get it?
March 9th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
DMAC,
is Hiram “stiff armed” Eugene worth 4-years at 10+ million for his special teams play alone?
I’ll take Sam Williams for 1-year 700k again!
March 9th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
I’ll bet you Rock Cartwright is our special teams captain in 2011 and he’s only scheduled to make 800k in 2011!
March 9th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Well the coaches disagree so DEAL WITH IT!!
March 9th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Al Davis wants to win, he just can’t anymore. No other GM would be allowed to have such a putrid run at managing a team. You can say players and coaches let him down, but he hand picked all of those players and almost all of those coaches. His time as a successful GM has passed…he could still be a great owner, but his self pride will not allow him to let go of control enough to get a 21st century mind into the organization.
Al Davis would rather be in control and lose year in and year out than see a 3rd party come in and have success where he failed for so many years.
He pisses me off for what he is doing and has done to this team over the past many years, but I love the fact that he isn’t one of those pathetic owners who only puts a little bit of effort and money into winning. We all know he genuinely wants to win and spends more than any other owner…..too bad he is the guy making the decisions on where those assets are utilized.
Can you imagine it? A good GM, who would be allowed to pick a coach and then work with the coach to hire the proper assistants to run the coach’s system and then allow the GM and coach to select the players who fit that system….and then backed up by an owner who is willing to spend what it takes to win? Imagine the possibilities! Of course it would be no guarantee to success….but I would take my chances with that over what we have been witnessing with the Raiders for so long now.
Al gave us a glimpse of that possibility with Gruden and Allen, but he submarined it and we have not seen anything close to that kind of set up since then, and I doubt we ever will until Al is gone.
Hopefully Mark is smart enough to spend the money necessary to win, and yet allow a GM to make the calls on most decisions.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Well the owner aint leaving no time soon so move on………..unless you haven’t figured that out yet, you can’t be that slow or maybe you are.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
146.priesttj Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Well the owner aint leaving no time soon so move on………..unless you haven’t figured that out yet, you can’t be that slow or maybe you are.
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Oh yeah, he is the just the picture of good health.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Gallery may find that other teams aren’t wiling to give any more than the Raiders. AD should just have told Gallery to go out and see what other teams are offering him and to come back and see if the Raiders will match or top it by a little.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Dakota there’s one BIG difference this GM is also the owner if you guys don’t like it no one is holding you hostage. There plenty teams with GM’s that you can root for if you need a GM.
HE’S THE OWNER………..get over it!!
March 9th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
What do you meant the coaches disagree, priest? How do you know what the coaches are thinking? BTW, our coaching staff is full of nobodies, anyway.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
146.priesttj Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Well the owner aint leaving no time soon so move on………..unless you haven’t figured that out yet, you can’t be that slow or maybe you are.
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The owner aint leaving any time soon is exactly the problem Priest.
I say that as a longtime Al supporter but when you’re done, you’re done.
It is WAY past the time where Al should give it up and let someone else control the team.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Nearly 82 years old….hope he makes the right call and gets some people in there to help him before he runs out of time. I still want to see him raise the trophy before he goes. I just highly doubt we get there unless he has some help. And barring a catastrophic event, like a stroke, dementia, Alzheimer’s etc, I highly doubt his pride will allow him to get the help he needs.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
I think Gallery has had it with the constant Head Coach & Offensive Line Coach changes. Too classy to say it out loud.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Well Dakota when he’s dead you can come back, but why whine about something you know wont change. What’s the point?
When he’s dead then maybe you’ll like the Raiders again if not….so be it.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Dakota, I don’t think Al Davis wants to win. I don’t get how this is passed off as gospel. I think Al just wants to be the big boss man. Look at how his supporters talk about him. He can go 0-16, and they’ll brag about him firing someone. That’s what it’s all about to Al. He’s obsessed with war generals, etc. Even Hitler. He’s just about being in charge. If he wanted to win, he’d accept all the help that was necessary to build a winning team.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Doesn’t seem like it with the current coaches and all and people have stated already they won’t but could the Raiders move back to a 3-4?
Why else would they post this?
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-an-Evolving-Defense/976e0e85-7da8-4c90-a489-e0ba8f6539fb
March 9th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
priest, Al’s not leaving any time soon? He’s 82. He could be leaving any minute now, if you know what I mean. So his critics have plenty of reason to hang out.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
If the Raiders go 11-5 this year none of this is going to matter. In fact, it doesn’t matter now.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
I think Gallery has had it with the constant Head Coach & Offensive Line Coach changes. Too classy to say it out loud.
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I think we’d had it with Gallery’s broken legs, bad back and host of injuries and missed games not to mention we spent a 2nd overall pick for a non pro bowl GUARD who wants $8 million dolars.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
priest,
HE SUCKS. Get over it.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
149.priesttj Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Dakota there’s one BIG difference this GM is also the owner if you guys don’t like it no one is holding you hostage. There plenty teams with GM’s that you can root for if you need a GM.
HE’S THE OWNER………..get over it!!
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I am a Raiders’ fan. I have the ability to separate Al Davis from the Raiders….he is simply just a man, who is arguably the greatest impediment to my team winning super bowls. The Raiders were here before Al and they will be here long after Al is gone. Al had his time, but like a stockholder in a fortune 500 company, I recognize when a CEO’s time has passed. Yes, he built it up, but he couldn’t sustain the success.
I am fine waiting it out, but I hold out hope that Al will have an epiphany about the damage he is doing to the Raiders and make the right call. Maybe a weak minded individual like you would give up simply because of one person, but I have no problem waiting Al out.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
However, Just Win Baby, if the Raiders go 5-11, all of this will certainly matter. And considering recent history, they’re much more likely to go 5-11 then they are 11-5.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
If the Raiders go 11-5 this year none of this is going to matter.
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That is one big effing “if”.
Maybe you meant 5-11?
March 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Dakota, I don’t think Al Davis wants to win. I don’t get how this is passed off as gospel. I think Al just wants to be the big boss man. Look at how his supporters talk about him. He can go 0-16, and they’ll brag about him firing someone. That’s what it’s all about to Al. He’s obsessed with war generals, etc. Even Hitler. He’s just about being in charge. If he wanted to win, he’d accept all the help that was necessary to build a winning team.
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I think I agree. It’s definitely his top priority.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Nnamdi I posted that fact last night when Jerry said that the defense was set and Bresh would have no say in it. The Raiders have switched from 3/4 to 4/3 and cover2 they have played every style and scheme you can imagine but you dorks in here make up your own history. And state it as fact this is nothing new to those who are real Raider fans…………period
March 9th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
LMN:
Saw your question about the Flashman books by G.M. Fraser.
They’re kind of interesting what with him being the bully from Tom Jones schooldays.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Apparently we already have worked this guy out or have invited him to do so.
Chris Carter:
Position: OLB
School & Year/Status: Fresno St. – Senior
Jersey Number: #43
Height & Weight: 6′2 – 240 lbs.
NFL Combine Results
40-Yard Dash 4.62
Bench press 27
Vertical jump 36.0
Broad jump 9′6
Three-cone drill 6.88
See All Combine Results
2011 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
Chris Carter, OLB, Fresno St.
Many collegiate players have a tough time fitting into a 3-4 defense in the NFL, but Chris Carter out of Fresno State should be able to make that transition much easier than many players who spent their collegiate years in a 4-3 scheme. Carter started out as a linebacker and did quite well.
As a freshman in 2007 his playing time was limited, but the 6-2, 240 pound Fontana, California native showed flashes of potential. The following year Carter earned All-WAC accolades despite moving from linebacker to defensive end in the middle of the season.
Even while transitioning between positions, Carter tallied 88 tackles, 7.0 tackles-for-loss and 4.0 sacks.
In 2009 Carter had to deal with injuries, but he settled into the defensive end position and tallied 10.5 tackles-for-loss and 4.0 sacks. For his efforts he was a first-team All-WAC honoree. During his senior season Carter took it to the next level and won the conference’s Defensive Player of the Year award. On the year tallied an impressive 16.5 tackles-for-loss and 11.0 sacks.
Carter will likely have to play as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense at the next level. He has the instincts and enough speed to perform well in that role. However, he has been adding weight and could be a solid pass rushing end in certain situations.
Other than the obvious, anyone know anything about him?
March 9th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
“The 2002 Raiders defense ranked among the league leaders in least points allowed per game, least rushing yards per attempt and fewest rushing yards allowed per game.”
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A little decieving. One of the main reasons Oaklands D looked so good on paper was the fact the Gannon led offense was dominating the score board and T.O.P.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Al Davis wants to win. He just doesn’t know how to since Gruden was let go. Came close last year with Cable, but not close enough.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
I should’ve said knowledgable Raider there some young Raider fans who buy into all the BCrap that’ spewed in here.
If you know the Raiders real history there isn’t a defense outside of a blitz crazy defense that we haven’t played. It’s just a matter of knowing the facts…………….period
March 9th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
164.KoolKell Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Dakota, I don’t think Al Davis wants to win. I don’t get how this is passed off as gospel. I think Al just wants to be the big boss man. Look at how his supporters talk about him. He can go 0-16, and they’ll brag about him firing someone. That’s what it’s all about to Al. He’s obsessed with war generals, etc. Even Hitler. He’s just about being in charge. If he wanted to win, he’d accept all the help that was necessary to build a winning team.
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I think I agree. It’s definitely his top priority.
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He wants to win….otherwise we wouldn’t have a $150 million dollar payroll year in and out. He just can’t get out of his own way, and that is the tragedy. The want or will to win but the inability to see or admit that the main reason the team can’t win is none other than Al himself.
Sad really. And very frustrating for fans that have winning as priority #1 for the Raiders.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Nnamdi but that is what knowledgable fans have been saying all along when the offense can stay on the field the defense looks better and 9x’s out of 10 will post better stats. It’s just common football sense………….period
March 9th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Priesttj Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
I should’ve said knowledgable Raider there some young Raider fans who buy into all the BCrap that’ spewed in here.
If you know the Raiders real history there isn’t a defense outside of a blitz crazy defense that we haven’t played. It’s just a matter of knowing the facts…………….period
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I know the Raider History better than you, period. And I say the predominant Defense of the Raiders is the Man2Man 4man Rush Defense, period. lol
March 9th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Mark Davis will have to sell the team because of the reimposition of the estate tax.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
priesttj Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Nnamdi I posted that fact last night when Jerry said that the defense was set and Bresh would have no say in it. The Raiders have switched from 3/4 to 4/3 and cover2 they have played every style and scheme you can imagine but you dorks in here make up your own history. And state it as fact this is nothing new to those who are real Raider fans…………period
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I’ve read your posts. I read this post.
Proves nothing other than even a garbage can gets a steak now and again.
Of course they have and DO.
IF you knew what you were talking about you’d know that the Raiders “have switched from 3/4 to 4/3 and cover2 ” EVERY SINGLE GAME.
(Ok, maybe not cover 2 every game. Remember the over head projector with Davis’ letter to Kiffin? Davis’ ripped Kiff for trying to employ the cover 2 in the opener against Denver)
Sure they run a base package. A 4-3. But IF you watched the games (its clear you DON’T) you’d see them lined up in a 3-4 overload or psycho package, a 5-3 and even an ill fated SIX safety package.
Davis’ philosophy has been diversity.
Can’t recall having addressed you much on here because frankly, most of the time you don’t know what you’re talking about. You think you know more than you do.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
The defense had changed from a 4-3 to a 3-4 due to injuries one season back in the olden days, then we had the abbreviated 3-4 Rob Ryan experiment and the one game Tampa 2 attempt under Kiffin, but for the vast, vast majority of the time the Raiders have been a 4-3 man to man defense under Al Davis.
Of course once in a while they switch it up, but the base D for the vast majority of time under Al is what everyone says it is.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
The Raiders have also re-signed quarterback Kyle Boller to a one-year, $1.25 million contract, a $250,000 raise over last season.he deserved a raise.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
I can just see it now, the Beijing Raiders.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
173. True. BUT they don’t adhere to it strictly.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
I didn’t say it wasn’t I said again for those with low comprehension that we have played every defense aside from the blitz crazy schemes they used back then and devise today. We even played the 46 defense re-emplemented by Buddy Ryan. The 46 was an old scheme that Buddy revived and people thought it was new.
We have played them all but guys like you KK insist that we ONLY play one way and it’s the furthest thing from the truth.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
He wants to win….otherwise we wouldn’t have a $150 million dollar payroll year in and out. He just can’t get out of his own way, and that is the tragedy. The want or will to win but the inability to see or admit that the main reason the team can’t win is none other than Al himself.
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100% accurate.
If Al didn’t want to win, he’d spend peanuts on payroll and maybe keep one star around to sell jerseys, a la LA Clippers owner Donald Sterling and like half of the MLB.
Al isn’t paying backups starter money to be big boss man. He’s been big boss man for several decades now.
Al is interested in winning and rewards loyalty in the form of big paychecks. He undervalues coaching and his own philosophy underminds the coaches he does hire.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
priesttj Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Nnamdi but that is what knowledgable fans have been saying all along when the offense can stay on the field the defense looks better and 9x’s out of 10 will post better stats. It’s just common football sense………….period
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Common snese you’ve never mentioned until right now…
I’ve posted it for years and years on here.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
174.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Mark Davis will have to sell the team because of the reimposition of the estate tax.
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I highly doubt it. Depending on how much money Al has saved over the years, there may be enough liquid assets to cover much of the estate tax, and any remaining unpaid estate tax would simply be covered by a bank loan if Mark chooses to run the team. Even if he decided to sell the team, he would probably refinance no matter what and sell it at a later date to maximize his profit instead of selling it via an estate.
Or at least that is what Clark Howard told me….
March 9th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
180. Yes, we INSISTED Davis’ forces Oakland to play vanilla 4-3 man every single play. *fart*
March 9th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Report: Agreement reached on rookie wage scale
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 9, 2011, 4:33 PM EST
While the NFL and NFLPA wrangle over potentially crippling transparency issues, they have reportedly settled a smaller problem.
Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports reports that the two sides have reached a compromise on a rookie wage scale. The new plan will replace the current rookie salary cap and limit the amount of guaranteed money and signing bonuses available to draft picks.
Details on the guaranteed money available have yet to be revealed but here’s a few key points to the agreement.
1. Rookie first-round contracts will be limited to four years. The owners backed off an original idea to require first-round picks signing for five years.
2. Players drafted after the first round will be limited to three-year contracts. Players would be restricted free agents in the fourth year. This isn’t much different from the current system, when the majority of picks after the first round wind up with three-year contracts.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
I mean, do you really want the Raiders to play cover 2? They played a lot of zone the first quarter of the season or so and looked terrible.
They also blitzed more in 2010 and in general under Marshall.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Al’s ’send four and play man’ has worked as recently as the 2010 year. There are certain fundamental flaws in it though if you don’t have the right players and coaching, the biggest being susceptibility to the long run.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
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# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
LMN:
Saw your question about the Flashman books by G.M. Fraser.
They’re kind of interesting what with him being the bully from Tom Jones schooldays.
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exactly! thats why I asked you brits..
BTW, its ‘Tom Browns School days’ I assumed most brits read those in school as part of the pensum..
March 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
186.LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
I mean, do you really want the Raiders to play cover 2? They played a lot of zone the first quarter of the season or so and looked terrible.
They also blitzed more in 2010 and in general under Marshall.
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Any change needs to have the team’s full commitment….if we change to a 3-4 you can’t do it half way like we tried under Ryan. You have to make the commitment to give it 2-3 years, to find the right coaches and players and to allow the team time to learn the system.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Wow, who knew The Raiders ran such a diverse defense. Only the Real Expert, BlackHolePriest!
Veeeery impressssive.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Kell you and BHP are neck in neck for Raider knowledge….u just hate Al Davis while BHP doesnt
March 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
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# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
LMN:
Saw your question about the Flashman books by G.M. Fraser.
They’re kind of interesting what with him being the bully from Tom Jones schooldays.
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exactly! thats why I asked you brits..
BTW, its ‘Tom Browns School days’ I assumed most brits read those in school as part of the syllabus..
March 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Even when we did play 3-4, there wasn’t a lot of 5 man pressure. You have a beast playing end in Howie Long and dynamic, intelligent OLBs.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
i prefer a nice bottle of fat bastard wine.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Oakland Raiders quietly re-sign QB Kyle Boller
PUBLISHED 7 hours and 16 minutes ago
Barry Reeves Sporting News
Quarterback Kyle Boller, a ‘03 first-round pick of the Ravens, flamed out in Baltimore but apparently has found a home in Oakland.
The Raiders re-signed Boller quietly last week to a one-year, $1.25 million contract to back up starter Jason Campbell. The Raiders made the move before the end of the league year on Thursday but never announced the deal.
New coach Hue Jackson, the team’s former offensive coordinator who also coached Boller in Baltimore, chose to retain Boller, who turns 30 in June, over former starter Bruce Gradkowski and journeyman Charlie Frye. The team will allow Gradkowski and Frye to become free agents.
Boller appeared in five games last year, completing 2-of-4 passes. Boller, in seven NFL seasons, has completed 56.7 percent of his passes with 48 touchdowns, 51 interceptions for a 70.4 passer rating.
The Raiders also re-resigned free safety Hiram Eugene and guard Daniel Loper, according to the Oakland Tribune. Eugene, 30, signed a four-year, $10.25 million contract, and he is seen as the likely successor to pending free agent Michael Huff. Loper, 29, could be the successor to pending free agent Robert Gallery. Loper signed a two-year, $3.9 million deal.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Al’s ’send four and play man’ has worked as recently as the 2010 year. There are certain fundamental flaws in it though if you don’t have the right players and coaching, the biggest being susceptibility to the long run.
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Yup but if the O is controling the clock and putting up points…this is what I said yesterday and many times through Priest-hole.
Good on ya LA
March 9th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
# 49… good post… Agree
March 9th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Bauce Madness Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Kell you and BHP are neck in neck for Raider knowledge….u just hate Al Davis while BHP doesnt
…………..yeah kell compromise you go and lick ALS boots and you will be even.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
197. Oh yeah, btw, the NY Giants ran it and beat the Pats in the Super bowl
March 9th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
I don’t see where Al Davis wants to win anymore. I see where he’s most focused on control, giving off the image that he’s in control of his team, and purposely doing things to antagonize other owners, like overpaying junk players, just to remain relevant. That’s not wanting to win. That’s desperately battling to stay relevant. Al Davis does NOT want to win. I think it’s hilarious that this notion that he does is passed off as gospel, as if it’s infallible. His behavior in and of itself debunks it
March 9th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Any change needs to have the team’s full commitment….if we change to a 3-4 you can’t do it half way like we tried under Ryan. You have to make the commitment to give it 2-3 years, to find the right coaches and players and to allow the team time to learn the system.
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I agree and think we have maybe the personel to run the 3-4 except for the key piece: NT.
I would stick with the 4-3, as the D Line is suited for it and we would really only be a WLB away, despite improved play from Groves down the stretch.
We can’t forget that Wimbley and Groves didn’t do well in a 3-4 and the LBs in general are unproven.
But, in an effort to diversify, I wouldn’t be surprised if our draft priorities actually were LB and NT, followed by O Line and secondary.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
NNmadi if you go back to when we had the worst offenses and yoiu guys were killing Rob Ryan for his defenses I was one of a very small group of Ryan supporters because I knew the real reason was the defense had no support we said it a thousand times you guys just wouldn’t listen. Just like NOW!!
March 9th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
I don’t see where Al Davis wants to win anymore. I see where he’s most focused on control, giving off the image that he’s in control of his team
…………………time for some new eyeglasses….
March 9th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
202. Great post LA.
And I’m outy!
Off to dinner with friends!~
PEACE!
March 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Bauce off off da clear off off da clear
March 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
203. PROVE I was a Rob Ryan basher. I wasn’t one constantly calling for Ryan’s head.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Why would Mark Davis “have” to sell the team because of the estate tax? That makes no sense.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Hell Rob Ryan’s defense would hold teams to 14 points and lose on ONE FREAKIN PLAY!! and you ALLL would blast him for running a prevent which wasn’t a PREVENT it was a ZONE.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
see ya Nnamdi21!
March 9th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
BHP..
you want Rob Ryan back?
March 9th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
I don’t disagree with Al’s narcissim at all. I just think that the desire to win is still there, otherwise he wouldn’t be constantly changing things around.
He goes through coaches looking for the right one, he drafts a QB #1 overall, he overspent for players he thought would contribute.
Al still has this ‘potential’ han up. He’s always looking for the diamond in the rough and the reclamation project.
Al is very set in his ways but I believe the desire to win is always there.
All the other stuff, antagonizing other owners, litigation, throwing ex-coaches and (what he views as) disloyal ex-players is just Al.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
hang-up*
March 9th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Ok MR….AL DAVIS IS TRYING TO LOSE……WHY WOULD YOU STICK AROUND AND TALK ALL DAY ON BEHALF OF LOSERS?
March 9th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Spending money alone does not prove a sports owner “wants to win”. That is the dumbest, short sighted conclusion anyone could draw. Look at Al’s background. He’s OBSESSED with military strategy and being some sort of general-like figure. This is proven. He’s said publicly that he admires Hitler’s means of taking over Europe (noting he disagreed with his intent). Could an owner obsessed with power, control, and winning a war that really doesn’t even exist spend boat loads of money to feed such delusions of grandeur? I say yes. I don’t think Al’s generous salaries to whack players does anything to prove he wants to win. His supporters have even said themselves that Al loves to do these kinds of things just to rattle the other owners. He’s not trying to win. He’s trying to stay in the spotlight. Without these little gimmicks, the Raiders are just a lousy NFL team, and Al drifts away into a sea of irrelevancy.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Thats just like beingg aat a job u know is purposely trying to dk oveer its employers….what sensee does it make to staty around? MR the door is open, just walk away
March 9th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Rob Ryan was always a favorite of mine and several players like Nnamdi and many others he jsut had NO HELP!!
March 9th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Al still prides himself on being able to identify an athlete anywhere, anytime.
He’s hit on as many as he’s missed, although the hit:miss ratio isn’t as good lately.
We can’t forget that Al controls the draft (nothing to suggest otherwise) and he pulled off one hell of a good one in 2010.
Rated as an A, along with Seattle, and ours proved to be much better – at least in year one.
March 9th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Lol MR WELL I CAN TELL U WHEN AN OWNER IS CHEAP AND WONT PAY THEY SURELY WILL LOSE
March 9th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Davis Priorities:
1. Narcissism
2. Winning.
March 9th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
LA to the Bay, you clearly know nothing about football if you think the Raiders have seriously ran a zone defense at any point since the ’70s. Using occasional zone coverages is not the same thing as implementing a base zone defense.
March 9th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
how about al has just win baby tattooed on his a$$,maybe that means he wants too win!!!
March 9th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
193.La Milicia Negra Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
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# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
LMN:
Saw your question about the Flashman books by G.M. Fraser.
They’re kind of interesting what with him being the bully from Tom Jones schooldays.
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exactly! thats why I asked you brits..
BTW, its ‘Tom Browns School days’ I assumed most brits read those in school as part of the syllabus..
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Lol.
Assumptions are often presumptious-although I did read it.
I’d rather read an Elmore Leonard book.
March 9th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
I see your point MR, that he spends to stay in the spotlight and stay relevant, but you’re discounting his obsession with talent evaluation.
I think he spends to reward loyalty, along with stirring the pot and he also will try to incubate potential by throwing money at guys and reaching in the draft for unproven prospects.
Some of these guys prove that his method still works, like Nnamdi (who nobody predicted to be the NFL’s best shutdown corner) and, IMO, Mike Mitchell – another Al Davis draft reach, apparently in danger of being cut, only to show very promising growth.
March 9th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
new post
March 9th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Brien, why are you here all day?
March 9th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
The truth about Rob Ryan is that we don’t actually know how good he is despite the fact that he coached here.
As I understand it, Ryan would have been welcomed back with Marshall leaving but chose to go to Dallas where Huff will shortly follow him.
When Ryan was here he was forced to follow the Al Davis defence of 4-3, man-on-man and NO FUK’N blitzing!
Now. he’s a 3-4 coach.
March 9th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
153.KoolKell Says:
March 9th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
I think Gallery has had it with the constant Head Coach & Offensive Line Coach changes. Too classy to say it out loud.
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Absolutely AMEN!
March 9th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
I’m not happy with some of the moves Al is making now. Attributing any value to a guy like Hiram freaking Eugene, and thinking “man we gotta keep THIS guy”, is ridiculous.
Seriously, watch some tape of this guy and tell me with a straight face that he belongs on a team that claims to be poised for a playoff run.
When I think Hiram Eugene, I think of that play when McGahee absolutely clowned his stupid azz on an 80 yd. touchdown run. That was one of the most humiliating, embarrassing displays of “defense” I have ever seen.
I know u can’t judge a player on one single play, but in Eugenes’ case it epitonmizes what he brings to the table.
Hiram freaking Eugene? Yeah, we’re ready for Pittsburgh now.