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How prolonged work stoppage hurts Raiders

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, March 11th, 2011 at 2:16 pm in Oakland Raiders.

In some ways, the Raiders are better prepared to withstand a prolonged work stoppage than a year ago given that systems of offensive and defense are already in place.

With the NFLPA announcing its attention to decertify, the labor dispute will now be litigated instead of negotiated. The process could be a slow one.

The Raiders have an unquestioned starting quarterback in Jason Campbell, and have signed more players than most NFL teams, meaning it won’t be quite the free agent scramble other teams will face when things get up and running.

In terms of player development, however, losing conditioning, minicamps, OTAs and possibly even training camp time hurts the Raiders in an area they expected to be a big reason for a step up in class in 2011.

At the close of the season, coach Tom Cable, when talking about his rookie class, could barely contain himself when thinking about the possibilities for Year 2. As rookies, Rolando McClain, Lemarr Houston, Jared Veldheer were starters and contributors so when they ended the season, it’s as if they weren’t rookies any more.

But having that baseline and moving into the second season, they could have served as young veterans counted upon to set an offseason example.

The rest of the rookie class needed the offseason even more than the big three. There was talk of Jacoby Ford returning punts, an idea which could be stalled based on the length of the lockout.

Speculation is Bruce Campbell is going to be given every chance to win a starting job at right guard or left guard. Campbell needs a lot of work and a lot of reps. In light of a potential work stoppage, it makes sense the Raiders made no move with Cooper Carlisle, who would be better prepared to play on short notice.

With Nnamdi Asomugha likely out of the picture, cornerbacks Walter McFadden and Jeremy Ware will get a chance to get signfiicant playing time after learning the hard way in 2010. Linebacker Travis Goethel won the weak side linebacker job out of camp only to be stalled by back surgery. He was looking to win it again this year.

If Michael Huff winds up signing somewhere else, any chance Stevie Brown had of making a legitimate bid for the starting job at free safety against Hiram Eugene would have been by outperforming him in the offseason and in training camp.

Young veterans are affected also. Jackson said he fully expects Darrius Heyward-Bey to become a productive wide receiver. If Heyward-Bey is smart, he’ll spending a lot of time with Campbell to be on the same page.

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  • DKnight007

    92.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
    By anti-trust you mean monopoly?

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Yep!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Isn’t “fat cow” kind of a redundant?

    Are there non-fat cows?

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    The “season” will start once the players fold.

    The owners have the teams and the money. As George Costanza would say, the players have no hand.
    ———————————-
    They also have the overhead. Jude Doty has already ruled they cannot use the TV money.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    I’ve seen some skinny cows on skinny farms.

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    Time to cue up the late, great Warren Zevon…

    ..”Send Lawyers, guns and money. The isht has hit the fan.”…

  • DKnight007

    98.Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    The “season” will start once the players fold.

    The owners have the teams and the money. As George Costanza would say, the players have no hand.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Oh they will fold…because America needs NFL Football….but they won’t fold until they get MOST of what they want!

    Which the NFLPA will get.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    The only true winners of this conflict will be those 1k/hour lawyers.

  • phatcable

    cows those things we get drunk and tip over on weekends?

  • Just Fire Baby

    Jude Doty has already ruled they cannot use the TV money.

    ******************************

    The only owner that is scared of that is the only team owner today that lowered his ticket prices.

  • Just Fire Baby

    No TV revenue = greater emphasis on game-day revenue’s

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Lets say the courts rule the NFL a monopoly. Crazy cause there are millions of other sources of entertainment for consumers, but what the hell. Then what? make baby nfls?… could a lawyer please help me out?

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    The Owners have a lot to lose too. If pushed legally, as the Players appear to be doing by decertifying, Anti-Trust problems would cripple the NFL as we know it. And Al Davis and the other vulnerable Owners may be out of business.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Wasn’t the USFL somewhat of a success for a few years?

    Trump ran it into the ground eventually.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    or is it a monopoly from the players perspective? they have no alternatives of employment but the NFL? easy to make a case vs. that, no?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    12:01 = no salary cap and hundreds of free agents.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Lets say the courts rule the NFL a monopoly. Crazy cause there are millions of other sources of entertainment for consumers
    ————————————
    C’mon Dude jeez.

  • Just Fire Baby

    And Al Davis and the other vulnerable Owners may be out of business.

    ********************************

    And how is that of any benefit to the players?

    Al Davis pays his players handsomely.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Kell, I understand the threat of litigation in economic terms. Please enlight me on the damned legal argument from the players side.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    # Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    or is it a monopoly from the players perspective? they have no alternatives of employment but the NFL? easy to make a case vs. that, no?
    …….

    didn’t they get degrees from college? They get employed anywhere that’s hiring just like the rest of us.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Al Davis pays scrubs handsomely.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    well gentlemen. its been a pleasure. enjoy your weekend and take care.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Competition law, or antitrust law, has three main elements:

    prohibiting agreements or practices that restrict free trading and competition between business. This includes in particular the repression of free trade caused by cartels.
    banning abusive behavior by a firm dominating a market, or anti-competitive practices that tend to lead to such a dominant position. Practices controlled in this way may include predatory pricing, tying, price gouging, refusal to deal, and many others.

    supervising the mergers and acquisitions of large corporations, including some joint ventures. Transactions that are considered to threaten the competitive process can be prohibited altogether, or approved subject to “remedies” such as an obligation to divest part of the merged business or to offer licenses or access to facilities to enable other businesses to continue competing.

    Substance and practice of competition law varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Protecting the interests of consumers (consumer welfare) and ensuring that entrepreneurs have an opportunity to compete in the market economy are often treated as important objectives. Competition law is closely connected with law on deregulation of access to markets, state aids and subsidies, the privatization of state owned assets and the establishment of independent sector regulators, among other market-oriented supply-side policies. In recent decades, competition law has been viewed as a way to provide better public services.[3] Robert Bork has argued that competition laws can produce adverse effects when they reduce competition by protecting inefficient competitors and when costs of legal intervention are greater than benefits for the consumers.[4]

  • Just Fire Baby

    Scrubs are part of the union.

    The players should not be focusing on things that would lessen revenues for struggling teams in this economy.

    You could lose 3 teams overnight.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Tell Miss Elizabeth I said Hello

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    JFB

    Funny how Republicans always side with the Corporation, EVEN Corporations with a Socialist makeup, whom they claim to hate, like the NFL.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Man Republicans and Democrats…….just a bunch of nonsense.

    You shouldn’t buy into all that stuff. Each side is trying to screw over both me and you.

  • PassTheCheetos

    #6- Well said. My biggest worry going into this offseason was losing players to free agency. Dont really care if they were overpaid for, its not my money.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Man Republicans and Democrats…….just a bunch of nonsense.

    You shouldn’t buy into all that stuff. Each side is trying to screw over both me and you.
    ————————————–
    That’s what Republicans say after a Republican Administration F’s up.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    JFB, it’s the American way, but at least we get to see how good the scrubs are, may be a diamond in the rough?

  • phatcable

    nfl and union could settle their dispute quickly if they use Sharia law .

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    But big market owners don’t have to share profits. ie Dallas, NY, etc, Dallas is loving this!!!!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Best diamond in the rough for this team would be……….

    I’ll throw out Desmond Bryant. Undrafted, but pretty active and physical, with an Ivy league education.

    Always liked his game, in a reserve role. You can never have enough inexpensive, quality reserve defensive lineman.

  • phatcable

    Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, seven others file antitrust suit
    Posted by Michael David Smith on March 11, 2011, 7:03 PM EST
    Ten players, including Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees, have filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL, seeking to prevent the owners from locking the players out.

    The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court immediately after the players’ union decertified on Friday.

    The players have asked for an injunction that would keep the league operating and stop the teams from a lockout when the current Collective Bargaining Agreement expires, at midnight.

    The other players named in the lawsuit are Vincent Jackson, Ben Leber, Logan Mankins, Brian Robison, Osi Umenyiora, Mike Vrabel and Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    The players currently get a 52/48 split with owners on their old contract. Are they crazy????

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    Five nuk reactors in Japan are running a State of Emergency, high pressures and too hot, and we are worrying about a fight between billionaires and millionares. The American Way!

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    860Todd Christensen Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    The players currently get a 52/48 split with owners on their old contract. Are they crazy????
    ———————————-
    It’s he Owners who are asking for 1 Billion in givebacks.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    860Todd Christensen Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
    Five nuk reactors in Japan are running a State of Emergency, high pressures and too hot, and we are worrying about a fight between billionaires and millionares. The American Way!
    ——————————————
    30,000 children starve to death every 24 hours worldwide. I never hear you talking about that either.

  • JB

    860Todd Christensen Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    The players currently get a 52/48 split with owners on their old contract. Are they crazy????
    ***********************
    I believe it was 60/40 but only after the owners got 100% of the 1st BILLION.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Japan will figure it out, they’ve been through worse.

  • Just Win Baby

    Screw the NFL. I won’t give them a penny this year.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    Kell, it costs a LOT to run a team in the NFL. The Owners take all the risks, should be entitled to a reward for doing so. But this money is the difference between building new stadiums or playing in armpits for a lot of teams. Everone is getting rich, I think DE JONES is burning up TIVO’S watching himself on tv every night. Judge Judy would put him straight in a second!

  • phatcable

    lets take up a collection for al too make it thru this.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    It was raised to 1.8 billion in negotiations……

  • JB

    If I were the NFLPA I think I’d be asking for a more equitable share of the revenues but also:
    • Salary cap for all Rookies
    X $’s for 1st round picks
    Y $’s for 2nd round picks
    Etc., Etc.
    • A raise to the current salary caps for owners
    • A raise to the number of players on the active roster and practice squads
    • Paid medical for all 3 year + veteran players even after retirement
    • Paid-up Long Term Care policy for all 5 year + veterans
    • Co-sharing retirement plan
    • All initial rookie contract periods to be 3 years
    • Franchise tags to be limited to 2 successive years maximum

    I’m sure there are bunch of other important things that should be part of an agreement but these are the ones that I think are real important.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFL-releases-latest-proposal-it-made-to-union.html

    Players’ greed exposed. No other industry offers this much compensation to its employees.

  • GoodOle00

    139.Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 11th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
    Japan will figure it out, they’ve been through worse.

    ================

    This is true. They’ve been around for thousands of years, are the only country to eat nukes, they’ve survived other quakes and countless Godzilla attacks.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ng4yHw2xk&feature=PlayList&p=E565EF0DE2F587FA&playnext= Raider75

    Arena Football starting on NFLN.

    At least its football.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    The Owners don’t take ALL the risks, I’ve never seen one of them paralyzed or concussed.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    I’ve never seen an Owner drop dead in the middle of a practice in 100 degree weather, either.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    JB, retirements, long term care, are Union concerns, not owners. Players are free to play to the highest bidder, no owner who had someone play for him for 2 years, should be responsible for him. That comes out of the Players share!