Players gone from Raiders’ Web site
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, March 12th, 2011 at 6:59 am in Oakland Raiders.
The listed rosters are still intact, but the Raiders have removed the images of players, including Nnamdi Asomugha and Darren McFadden, from the borders of the lead page of their official Web site.
Welcome to the lockout.
Considering that other teams haven’t done the same thing (haven’t checked all of them), I can only assume this was either an NFL directive or suggestion.
Next up will be the union’s antitrust suit in an attempt to block the lockout, which could lead to an eventual start in free agency with the league setting the rules.
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March 12th, 2011 at 7:03 am
215.TerrapinRaider Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Being a business man ….I simply don’t like unions …they can completely ruin a business …look at the airline industry, the manufacturing industry …seems like any industry affected by unions are on the borderline of extinction here in the US
March 12th, 2011 at 7:10 am
2nd
March 12th, 2011 at 7:13 am
management has your best interest.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:26 am
PFTs current poll numbers says a lot
Who do you blame for the failure to strike a new labor deal?
The owners 19.96% (2,438 votes)
The players 40.7% (4,972 votes)
Both 39.06% (4,772 votes)
Neither 0.28% (34 votes)
Total Votes: 12,216
March 12th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Seeing as the owners want 18 games and a cap, and have implied they gave up too much last time, this one’s on the owners.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:36 am
Railroads are unionized and one of the strongest industries in America. Poor management and business swindlers and greedy CEOs are what destroy businesses.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:40 am
The manufacturing industry was destroyed by greedy businessmen sending American jobs to Mexico and China and Indonesia to increase already hefty profits. Corporate greed and government palm greasing has ruined business in america and now the are beginning to reap what they sow. Too bad we all have to reap it right along with them.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Amtrak? ..Don’t think so
March 12th, 2011 at 7:41 am
JWB …man i dont think you ever know what you’re talkin about
March 12th, 2011 at 7:45 am
To increase already hefty profits???? LOL …man you are nutz …they have to move ops to stay in business …to stay competitive …its all economics man
If I move my business overseas to save money on lower labor cost I have a dual advantage over my competition:
1. I can keep my prices the same and make more money from reduced input cost and play nice
2. I can use my savings to undercut his price and drive him out of business which will increase my profits based on increased quantities sold
This shts simple econ man
March 12th, 2011 at 7:50 am
If unions drive my cost up too high to remain competitive and/or if I can gain some competitive advantage by shifting ops; then that’s the move you make as a business person.
YOU are taking the risk. A businesses sole purpose is to make an economic profit. Others you just run a damn charity and call it a day!
Without business you wouldn’t have a job. Period! Unless you have the courage and resources to venture out on your own. Then, lets see how you feel when people want to take away your bread.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:51 am
“Otherwise” you just run a damn charity and call it a day…
March 12th, 2011 at 7:51 am
The railroad’s entire infrastructure is permanantly affixed to American soil. They can’t outsource to people who will work for pennies on the dollar. Not to mention the fact that they aren’t putting Americans on the street and feeding the economies of foreign countries Sure, they can make their trinkets for less, but nobody is going to buy them because they cant find a job. Now THAT is simple economics, man.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Dont worry OBma will give you some of that govt money
March 12th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Oh, and the 2 largest railroads in America showed huge profits every quarter during the recession using union labor. It’s because the American worker is still the proudest and most efficient employee and thanks to the union, they are able to work in an atmosphere that is safer.
March 12th, 2011 at 8:03 am
There’s no reasoning with socialist
March 12th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Wanting a liveable wage and a safer working environment makes me a socialist? You are ignorant. I’m not on welfare.
March 12th, 2011 at 8:07 am
Sorry, bad joke. lol. sort of.
Why do you people always end there? i.e. no jobs story.
I say, go out and make your own job. The world does not end. Commerce does not end. Don’t depend on others to create for you, create your own.
Its some sick logic that permeates leftist ideals …blame business for all evils and try to suck them dry at times, but then say we can’t live without them when they have had enough or fold or whatever????
March 12th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Dont get it.
If you have the wherewithal to dive into the topic or ideology I recommend reading “The Road to Serfdom” by F.A. Hayek.
Extremely wordy but it will give you a unique historical perspective.
March 12th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Well, in addition to my good union job with full benefits and a liveable wage, I have other responsibilities which prevent me from wasting my whole day away on this blog like all the other folks who cant find a good union job anymore. Don’t worry folks, I will keep paying my taxes so you can hitch your wagons to my strong back. I still have my pride.
March 12th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Good union job? LOL. You must be kidding. LOL.
Maybe you do. Who knows. But I don’t want to be in no damn union man so they can take money away from my pockets! They tried that sht when I need a job in college. Tried to work for UPS loading trucks but they said I had to join a union. Hell to the NO! That basically cut my pay by a significant margin. It wasn’t even worth it to have a job LOL!!!
Now I make very good paper doing what I do and my job is freakin awesome! I don’t envy no “good union job” …trust me! lol!
March 12th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Wake me up in August.
March 12th, 2011 at 9:49 am
I enjoyed the show Outsource. Asked a close friend in Arizona if he ever watched it and he said it hits too close to home. His entire IBM group was being outsourced to India and they asked him to train the guys in India during the transition. He was lucky they moved him over to another group but not for most of his colleagues.
I wonder how outsourcing to India to service an American market has anythign to do with being competitive or just simply adding to the bottomline. Afterall they are servicing the American market. It’s not like they were servicing the Indian market. Not an econ expert but doesnt make sense to me.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:20 am
4.TerrapinRaider Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:26 am
PFTs current poll numbers says a lot
Who do you blame for the failure to strike a new labor deal?
The owners 19.96% (2,438 votes)
The players 40.7% (4,972 votes)
Both 39.06% (4,772 votes)
Neither 0.28% (34 votes)
Total Votes: 12,216
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The fans. We coulda boycotted the final games of the season nation wide to let the greedy parties know we won’t tolerate their greed.
AIG, how ya doin………
March 12th, 2011 at 10:21 am
r8dercain Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 6:19 am
It’s crazy to think that you can ask a business man to show you his books for the last ten years as if you are partners with him. The players are employees NOT partners there is a HUGE difference in expectations you are not supposed to share in the profits you can only negotiate YOUR salary. As with any union you negoiate but to ask the business owner to consider you a partner is insane. Players make more money than any entertainers in this country that have the benefit being considered an employee with medical benefits. They wear the company uniforms and have to abide by company M&P’s and policies. They are not like individual entities they are part of an organization. In order to be a partner you have to bare some of the financial risk and they bare none.
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There is a difference r8dercain. In this case, the players are the product being sold. The top players anyway. And that gives them a tremendous amount of leverage.
Its not like making widgets or selling services where the employee simply enables the good AND can be fairly easy to replace.
The players are the value and as long as the top players support the role players….the players are indeed partners.
If the players can sit still and hold out…they will eventually get what they want or destroy the league entirely…..which is not an option to the owners.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Once the other countries caught up to the USA in infrastructure, regulatory and education…..the competition began.
American of all stripes compete with labor and talent all over the world.
the standard of living in america will continue to fall…regardless of who is in office.
New reality
Everyone has to watch their own back…..or play professional sports
March 12th, 2011 at 10:26 am
DRH,
Howdy brother. Long time no chat. Just peekign in here and there to get my fill of NFL news. Gonna be crazy for a while. Later man. Got to do my B*tch duties on Sat.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:36 am
6.Just Win Baby Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:36 am
Railroads are unionized and one of the strongest industries in America. Poor management and business swindlers and greedy CEOs are what destroy businesses.
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Hey!
Someone else in here actually gets it! We have a winner!
Business owners blaming Unions for a their crumbling business’ are a bunch of crybaby weasals who never should have been owning a business in the first place.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:37 am
23.aig-raiders Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 9:49 am
I enjoyed the show Outsource. Asked a close friend in Arizona if he ever watched it and he said it hits too close to home. His entire IBM group was being outsourced to India and they asked him to train the guys in India during the transition. He was lucky they moved him over to another group but not for most of his colleagues.
I wonder how outsourcing to India to service an American market has anythign to do with being competitive or just simply adding to the bottomline. Afterall they are servicing the American market. It’s not like they were servicing the Indian market. Not an econ expert but doesnt make sense to me.
^^^^^^
I don’t watch that show….it pisses me off.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am
7.Just Win Baby Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:40 am
The manufacturing industry was destroyed by greedy businessmen sending American jobs to Mexico and China and Indonesia to increase already hefty profits. Corporate greed and government palm greasing has ruined business in america and now the are beginning to reap what they sow. Too bad we all have to reap it right along with them.
^^^^^^^^^
EXACTLY!
March 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Balloon factory will go out of business if it can’t keep up with inflation
March 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
In nearly any dispute or contest or endeavour in this life my natural inclination is to root for the “little guy”, the underdog, the “have-nots” of the world. Doesn’t mean that this view is always correct, but it is the way I lean.
In the current NFL labour dispute there is no “little guy” to root for.
I presume that the vast majority of the athletes have been coddled and given a free pass since they were teenagers because they were athletically gifted.
Those days lead to a free education at university level which is squandered on basket weaving classes and baby mama scoring.
Then they become millionaires without having to work a “real job” for any single day of their lives.
The owners? Billionaires? You don’t often obtain a billion dollars without screwing over anyone and everyone along the way. No sympathy for that crowd either.
They’re all to blame. Spoiled children and adults. Fkc ‘em all.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Collinsworth among 83 rescued when floating restaurant floated away
Posted by Mike Florio on March 12, 2011, 10:59 AM EST
Our NBC colleague Cris Collinsworth, former Bengals receiver, Emmy-winning Sunday Night Football analyst, and proprietor of FootballPros.com, had some tense moments on the Ohio River last night.
Per the Associated Press, Collinsworth and 82 other patrons went for an involuntary ride after Jeff Ruby’s Waterfront restaurant broke free from a pier and floated down the flood-level waterway.
The restaurant, which exists on a barge, traveled 85-to-100 feet before coming to rest at a bridge.
A rear line held the barge in place until emergency personnel could arrive.
“As the barge started to float downriver, the rear line came around the front of the pier and it put tension on it and held it,” Covington Fire Department Capt. Chris Kiely said. “The worst thing that could have happened is the barge could have swung out in the current, but luckily the line held.”
Emergency crews rescued the patrons one by one, strapping life jackets onto each person and removing them via “precariously perched ladders and ropes.”
We’ve sent an e-mail to Cris seeking confirmation that he was on the barge. He posted an item at FootballPros.com moments ago without mentioning the ordeal
March 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am
The Raiders have also re-signed quarterback Kyle Boller to a one-year, $1.25 million contract, a $250,000 raise over last season.He should be the starting QB one the season gets underway!
March 12th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Without Unions….employees are basically slaves to the owners of companies.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Union’s(private sector) are all but obselete these days… especially in California. Employers can’t fire employees for much of anything anymore.
It’s kind of ironic we have this union vs management discussion in here when the players union voted to to decertify union to make their move.
Public employee’s still are heavily union. All I can say is that you should enjoys the benefits and pensions while you have them. Every local, state, and federal administrator I speak with says there is nothing else to cut. Everything else has been cut… the only fat left in the system is the pensions & benefits…
Back to the NFLPA… they are smart for decertifying. This fight in the is big $ owner vs small $ owner. The players are a side story. like the nFL attorney’s and spokesman said reapetedly yestterday the NFLPA was asking for information that the owners do not share amongst themselves.
This fight is about the longterm structure of the league and how the owners share revenue… between themselves. These billionares are not heppy about sharing hard earned $ with owners like Ralph Wilson and Al davis that are inferior businessmen. Al is GM/ HC first… Jerry, Dan Snyder, Paul Allen, Bob kraft, Bob Mcnair, Alex Spanos, Bill Ross, Arthur Blank are first and foremost businessmen. They do everything thing possible to turn a $ and get a return on their investment… Al does what he does… which nobody can seem to figure out.
March 12th, 2011 at 11:06 am
DK I respectfully disagree. If you are improving and growing your skill set to keep pace with the rapidly changing business enviroment… you as the skilled employee have leverage. 75% of all companies are hiring right now… the problem is and has been that their is a skilled labor/ specialized proffessional shortage.
If you have a specialized skill set these days, and can show up to work on time everyday, employers will fall all over themselves to hire obtain/ retain your services. Very few people understand that. Hell very few people understand that if you just show up to work everyday and do your job, you are valuable asset that is demand.
March 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am
The NFL is no different from the rest of the business world. Notice how New england and the rest of the good teams just identify young hard working players that have a good attitude first, and have a high probability of showing up to work on a day in and day out basis… after getting their big paychecks and crazy signing bonuses.
The NFLPA decertified and they know the players will still basically make great $. The players that will be hurt by this decertification are the ones that don’t show up and workhard and or get hurt… the players that get hurt are the truly unfortunate story. They will be cut loose and take what they made with them. If they have 3 years plus in the NFL they will take a fat pension with them I know that.
Not to mention that NFL players make $33k on top of their $16k they contribute to their 401k plan. All nfl players get a their 401k, their paychecks, and a severance package… and of course a fat un realistic pension if they make 3 plus years in the league.
March 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am
nfl coaches should have a union that way tom cable would not have been fired.cause he did not deserve to be fired.
March 12th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Unions are socialist and that’s a good thing. We are brainwashed to beleive anything but American capitalism is evil however capitalism in it’s purest form is truly evil. There are people begging for change on the streets yet the top 1% controls over 40% of the wealth and we give billions of dollars to other countries to keep an eye on the “bad guy”. My favorite biblical teaching (you conservatives are christian right?) says to only have as much as you need and to help others with any excess you may have. You conservatives obviously don’t follow the bible
March 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Does anyone have an email address for Goodell? Need to send this along to him:
Mr. Goodell,
Given your failure to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion for all parties involved in the current negotiations may I suggest you tender your resignation immediately and turn the job over to someone more competent in executing the duties of NFL commissioner. Apparently I and my fellow fans are at the bottom of your list of priorities and you have forgotten that you are in the entertainment business. I am not entertained.
Most sincerely,
March 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Of course, the players could just form their own league……
March 12th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
32.M Lonetree Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
In nearly any dispute or contest or endeavour in this life my natural inclination is to root for the “little guy”, the underdog, the “have-nots” of the world. Doesn’t mean that this view is always correct, but it is the way I lean.
In the current NFL labour dispute there is no “little guy” to root for.
I presume that the vast majority of the athletes have been coddled and given a free pass since they were teenagers because they were athletically gifted.
Those days lead to a free education at university level which is squandered on basket weaving classes and baby mama scoring.
Then they become millionaires without having to work a “real job” for any single day of their lives.
The owners? Billionaires? You don’t often obtain a billion dollars without screwing over anyone and everyone along the way. No sympathy for that crowd either.
They’re all to blame. Spoiled children and adults. Fkc ‘em all.
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Thats a good post. And the players always can find work since their college educated. And the owners, in their orbit they’ll stay wealthy. And the fans, we’ll adjust.
March 12th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Good union job? LOL. You must be kidding. LOL.
Maybe you do. Who knows. But I don’t want to be in no damn union man so they can take money away from my pockets! They tried that sht when I need a job in college. Tried to work for UPS loading trucks but they said I had to join a union. Hell to the NO! That basically cut my pay by a significant margin. It wasn’t even worth it to have a job LOL!!!
Now I make very good paper doing what I do and my job is freakin awesome! I don’t envy no “good union job” …trust me! lol!
Selfish brat is what you are, only worried about yourself. Try growin up in the hood in a broken home, with an addict mom, with drug dealers and gang bangers as neighbors and then try to make it through college and make all that paper. It’s not a level playing field so we should all help our fellow man
March 12th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Unions are a joke period. The owners and the league are a joke to saying they losing money but yet won’t show anyone there numbers. This is a shame for grown men making millions of $ fighting over millions of $.
March 12th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Us fans are the ones that will get screwed on this. They can’t arrive at an equitable solution? They are dealing with an amount of money larger than a third world nation’s GDP. Phuck all of those greedy b@stards, owners and players.
March 12th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
DKnight :Without Unions….employees are basically slaves to the owners of companies.
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That is simply not true….No one forces you to work for a particular company ….this can’t be said about joining many unions. W/O unions you are dependent on your skills…many times resulting in higher wages. Unions bring all workers to a median level…and that level is dependent on the profitability of the company/industry rarely skill level of the worker.
March 12th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
DeMaurice Smith is no Gene Upshaw
Roger Goodell is no Pete Rozelle
Robert Kraft is no Al Davis
How much football does any of the new 3 have in them compared to the old 3? Answer: none, they are all about the money.
Screw ‘em all.
BAN THE TROLLS!!! or at least make them turn over their financial statements.
March 12th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Maybe the Millionairs and Billionairs need another “Tax cut”…
Poor guys.. Starting to feel sorry for them…..Not!!!
March 12th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
BadMoodGuy Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
DeMaurice Smith is no Gene Upshaw
Roger Goodell is no Pete Rozelle
Robert Kraft is no Al Davis
How much football does any of the new 3 have in them compared to the old 3? Answer: none, they are all about the money.
Screw ‘em all.
BAN THE TROLLS!!! or at least make them turn over their financial statements.
………………..this guy comes on every day and says ban the trolls ,this will force the trolls to unionize.this is the way unions get started .now you have badmoodguy to thank for starting another union the troll union.
March 12th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Found an email address for the NFL and sent them this:
Mr. Goodell,
Given your failure to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion for all parties involved in the current negotiations may I suggest you tender your resignation immediately and turn the job over to someone more competent in executing the duties of NFL commissioner. Apparently I and my fellow fans are at the bottom of your list of priorities and you have forgotten that you are in the entertainment business. I am not entertained.
Most sincerely,
Here was their reply:
Thank you for contacting the National Football League.
We always appreciate hearing from fans. Your comments are very helpful and will be shared with others in the NFL. Most importantly, we appreciate your tremendous interest in the NFL.
Regards,
NFL Public Relations
If you would like to get the same personal response here’s the address:
your.comments@nfl.com
Have at ‘em.
March 12th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Common to every dictatorship, from the fascist and communist despots of the 20th century to their counterparts in today’s authoritarian societies, is the impulse to forbid workers from organizing. The legacy of those who established those rights with their blood and toil, both here and abroad, is not ours to surrender to bullies such as Walker and Koch. Like all of our liberties, it is a trust to be guarded — by every means available.
March 12th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Friday, Auburn coach Gene Chizik said the four players arrested Friday morning were “permanently dismissed” from the team.
According to an Auburn Police Department statement, four people were arrested and charged with five counts of robbery first degree, one count of burglary first degree and one count of theft of property third degree.
Mike McNeil was one of four players arrested and kicked off the Auburn football team. (AP Photo)The players are freshmen receivers Antonio Goodwin and Shaun Kitchens, senior safety Mike McNeil and freshman tight end Dakota Mosley.
“The players arrested in connection with this deeply troubling incident have been permanently dismissed from our football team,” Auburn coach Gene Chizik said in a statement. “While we realize the legal process will run its course and these young men have a right for their case to be heard, playing for Auburn University is an honor and a privilege. It is not a right.
“We hold our student-athletes to a high standard of conduct on and off the field as representatives of Auburn University, and this kind of behavior is not tolerated.”
In the police report provided by the Opelika-Auburn News, five victims said one of the males displayed a handgun. Personal property was stolen and no injuries were reported, according to the statement.
Each of the four players is being held at the Lee County Detention Center on $511,000 bond.
McNeil was sixth on the team in tackles with 56. Kitchens played in eight games, mostly on special teams, and had one reception. Goodwin played in 13 games, also mostly on special teams, but did not record a reception or tackles.
March 12th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
phatcable Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Friday, Auburn coach Gene Chizik said the four players arrested Friday morning were “permanently dismissed” from the team.
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Isn’t there a saying that goes like “take them out of the hood but can’t take the hood out of them?” I saw on TV where Bernie Kosar used to witness his teammates prepping for nite of theft and robbery while at Miami.
March 12th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Both bus owners and unions need to be kept in check. Either party can get out of control as history has shown. To just blast union is quite ignorant. They were formed to protect themselves from the greedy owners in the first place. America is going through some changes and Unions are going through a transformation for better as well. Scott Walker might have won a battle but he just lost the war against unions.
March 12th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
11.TerrapinRaider Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:50 am
If unions drive my cost up too high to remain competitive and/or if I can gain some competitive advantage by shifting ops; then that’s the move you make as a business person.
YOU are taking the risk. A businesses sole purpose is to make an economic profit. Others you just run a damn charity and call it a day!
Without business you wouldn’t have a job. Period! Unless you have the courage and resources to venture out on your own. Then, lets see how you feel when people want to take away your bread.
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Invest in a clue.
This is typical propaganda BS generated by billionaires.
THERE ARE NO JOBS!!!
The notion that 75% of business are hiring is ridiculous as well (someone mentioned that lie in another post)
Corporations shipped their factories overseas and ****ed us out of jobs because of your preciosu profit. Maximum short term profit.
Short term profit for greedy A holes who came in gutted cut slahsed and burned made a buncha aholes extremely wealthy and then left the burning hulk for the rest of us to deal with.
Companies went over seas to take advantage of corrput Governments and an exploitable slave work force that HAS to work for pennies on the dollar.
Crack a history book and see what labor unions had to do to fight back against heartless, soulless corporations who did and WILL **** you to death.
Your kind of “yeah, **** the little guy, he deserves to suffer” BS is letting the multi national corps roll back laws and force us into great depression mode.
March 12th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
55. Word Aig
March 12th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
52. Here, here. EXACTLY.
People siding with these illegal multi-national corporations are woefully mislead.
They’re clueless at how horrible life was and would be again if unions fall
March 12th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
when you are hooked on booze you go too AA for help ,when you are a greedy business owner and your greed is out of control where can you get help,the unions are here to help you.
March 12th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
What was #21 doing on the website anyway. He didn’t make a single play all year they should have put Huff in his spot. DMAC on the other hand kicked a$$ and pounded the rock, #20 should have been in the pro bowl.
March 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
…In related news, the website font has been changed to 30 pt Arial Silver and the Raider emblem will soon sport a helmeted John Herrera with a curiously brown nose.
March 12th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
So he won the battle but he lost it. A classic statement from a libtard.
Walker did just what he said he would do during the campaign and delivered, unlike our derelict retard pres who is a stumbling bumbling buffoon without his teleprompter.
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# aig-raiders Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
“Scott Walker might have won a battle but he just lost the war against unions”
March 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Bush calls Cheney because he is so proud of having finished a jigsaw puzzle.
“Hey, Dick”, says Bush, “I am so proud because the box this puzzle came in says 5 to 8 years on the side and I finished it in just under 6 months.”
Cheney sighs and says, “You are indeed a genius, George.”
Bush says, “Hey, Dick, I’m having trouble with my new puzzle, though, can you help me?”
Cheney says, “Sure, George, what’s your problem.”
Bush says, “Well, none of the pieces fit together in any way. I didn’t have this problem with the other puzzle.”
Cheney says, “Well, look on the cover of the puzzle box and tell me what kind of picture you see – that should give you a hint.”
Bush says, “All I see is a picture of a really big rooster.”
Cheney thinks for a minute and says “George, put all the cornflakes back in the box .
March 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Two guys are sitting around talking about politics.
One of them asks the other, “So why are you a Democrat?”
“Because my daddy and granddaddy were Democrats,” was the man’s reply.
“What if your daddy and granddaddy were horse thieves?”
“In that case, I guess I’d be a Republican.”
March 12th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
The Jets start their organizational pay cuts
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 12, 2011, 4:34 PM EST
Rex Ryan can expect his pay check next week to be a little lighter.
As expected, the Jets embarked Saturday on organization-wide pay cuts and mandatory furloughs with the lockout underway.
“Our plans are in effect,” the team said in a statement to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News. “This is a fluid situation. We will obviously be evaluating our approach as events unfold.”
Everyone contracted on the football operations side of the business will take a 25% pay cut. Everyone else will have mandatory furloughs throughout the offseason. If no preseason games are missed, the employees will be reimbursed for the money.
The news is a reminder that the people that can least afford a pay cut will be the ones who get hurt the most in a work stoppage if it drags on. Pay cuts and firings within the league would increase dramatically if a work stoppage stretched into the regular season.
March 12th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
So he won the battle but he lost it. A classic statement from a libtard.
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Your response above pretty much sums up your IQ. Apparently the concept of “winning the battle but losing the war” just flew right over your head. Here’s a simpler analogy for you. Most historians agreed that the US won the Tet Offensive Battle but pretty much lost the Vietnam war at the same time. Try to decipher that one. Too funny!
March 12th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Most Americans didnt think much of Union and now they just got a boost in the polls as well as fundraising. Americans just dont like it when the word “rights” are infringed up on.
March 12th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Live within your means. Period.
If you make $20K per year…you better have a lifestyle that matches that income.
The US decided to compete with a world that increasingly got its act together enough to allow for commerce.
Tough days ahead for the average American
March 12th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Because the VC soldier’s notebook had been captured up near the De-Militarized Zone (DMZ), not far from where North Vietnamese troops were thought to be massing for an attack on the U.S. base at Khe Sanh, U.S. intelligence dismissed the contents of the notebook as disinformation, as a means of diverting attention away from where the main blow was expected to fall. Hence it received little emphasis by U.S. military commanders in Saigon, and little notice in the news media. This was merely one of the countless missed signals contributing to what Army General Bruce Palmer later called “an allied intelligence failure ranking with Pearl Harbor
March 12th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
SnB Production Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Live within your means. Period.
If you make $20K per year…you better have a lifestyle that matches that income.
The US decided to compete with a world that increasingly got its act together enough to allow for commerce.
Tough days ahead for the average American…………………….if your making 20k a year join a union a make it 40k
March 12th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
The best school system in the world, Finland, is 100% unionized.
March 12th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
PHatcable,
If one can get a “union” job then good for them.
The reality is that the standard of living for Americans have declined while those of people overseas has gone up.
This trend will continue no matter how much teeth gnashing the left and right do.
Economics is what it is.
So if you can get that $40K union job…then your lifestyle better match $40K….if you can only get part time work and cobble together $15 to $20K…again, lifestyle to match the income.
March 12th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Dicky V had it right with post $ 36-38 the ultra rich owners will always have their money made outside the league. The want that extra billon per year to biuld stadia around the league and make the league as whole stronger. With out draining their own resources as they do it. Right now the players are getting that money and spending it on unproven talent.
March 12th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
THey should have never built those new stadiums. Stupid.
Fans only care about the game
Priesttj, I think you are right that the owners want the players to partially fund stadiums that fans don’t really care about.
IF they really wanted to make money…they would play in cheap stadiums…and then expand the ability to watch pay-per-view on-line and through cable tv.
March 12th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
It’s an easy fix if they show them the books and the players don’t get greedy but we all KNOW they will once they see the books they’ll want more.
My issue is once a player retires he no longer has a financial responsibility or otherwise to the league but the owmners will always have that. The average career is only 4 year and once he gets his pension his risk is over. The onwers must keep the league financially healthy.
My only concern for the players are injury and post career care. If the owners can give them satisfactory answers in that regard I say they settle. Because we know that FA after 3-4 years will solve the salary issue for players during their careers. A Rookie cap for rnd 1 and that’s all I can see as afar as major sticking points.
March 12th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Fiscally responsible people live on 60% of what they take home. You should strive to save enough money to live at least a year without an income. When you reach that point you are financially sound anything more is gravy. Some people have a lot of gravy.
March 12th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
You chaps in the U.S. got a bit of a stickey wicket with this nfl lockout , now watch some real fotbol (soccer).
March 12th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Yeah whenever you have a situation like this with a pie the size of the one they have. The word insane is most appropriate. I don’t care what side you take it’s insane……………..period
March 12th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
if your making 20k a year join a union a make it 40k
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and watch 50% of the company’s current workforce get fired because they only had the cash to double half of their salaries.
March 12th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
# phatcable Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
You chaps in the U.S. got a bit of a stickey wicket with this nfl lockout , now watch some real fotbol (soccer).
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Soccer sucks. PERIOD.
March 12th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
79. So sick of people spouting Repub propaganda. Big bus is NOT failing.
They want to keep using an unreasonable growth chart to maixmize profits at the expense of everyone but the ultra rich.
It was deliberately shipped overseas to exploit corrupt Gov who let them use slave labor and pollute the fug outa places.
It is NOT the unions to blame for the state of the economy its the Republican roll backs of 40 yrs worth of Democratic safeguards and oversight.
Now idiots claim its the unions fault greedy Repubs did an end run to clean house by gutting our economy.
400 people have more moeny that the rest of the US combined
March 12th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81ebcc74/Goodell-to-take-pay-cut?module=HP_video
This is really gonna hurt Mr. Commish
March 12th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
GoodOle00 I have to agree, when you think of small business was the stronghold and bulwark of this country. They gave big business bouyancy because people were employed and had the money to spend on cars, homes, high ticket items.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
my experience with the teamsters went like this ,i was a member going on 4 years in 1989.you get stuck at a certain pay wage due to promotion based on seniority ,you get some vacation time ,some paid holidays ,some insurance .my first child was due ,when my wife went into labor i was at her side ,it was a very hard labor.missed 1 day work all was cool as long as i came back the next day .still in labor day 2 ,i was wrote up warned.i wasa told if i missed the 3rd day my time card would be gone when i did return.well no question i wasnt going to leave the hospital after 3 days of hard labor my wife had an emergency c section .i called every day still was fired my union wasnt worth a shot useless .my next job was without a union i made a hell of alot more money with a much better relationship with the owner ,i was much better off
March 12th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
imaquaman Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
my experience with the teamsters went like this ,i was a member going on 4 years in 1989.you get stuck at a certain pay wage due to promotion based on seniority ,you get some vacation time ,some paid holidays ,some insurance .my first child was due ,when my wife went into labor i was at her side ,it was a very hard labor.missed 1 day work all was cool as long as i came back the next day .still in labor day 2 ,i was wrote up warned.i wasa told if i missed the 3rd day my time card would be gone when i did return.well no question i wasnt going to leave the hospital after 3 days of hard labor my wife had an emergency c section .i called every day still was fired my union wasnt worth a shot useless .my next job was without a union i made a hell of alot more money with a much better relationship with the owner ,i was much better off
……………………….your blaming the teamsters instead of your wife ,my wife had a child her water broke and pop out came a kid did not miss a day of work,no you just married the wrong wench!
March 12th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
If big business makes 800 million dollars in the first fiscal quarter and 780 million dollars in the second fiscal quarter, they call that a 20 million dollar loss. I still see it as a 780 million dollar gain. This is how big business shows a loss in profits and says they are going broke. Profits down 5%. it is still a 780 million dollar profit any way ya slice it.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
If big business makes 800 million dollars in the first fiscal quarter and 780 million dollars in the second fiscal quarter, they call that a 20 million dollar loss. I still see it as a 780 million dollar gain. This is how big business shows a loss in profits and says they are going broke. Profits down 5%. it is still a 780 million dollar profit any way ya slice it.
………………..by todays greed index 800 million dollars in the first quarter makes this a small business.
March 12th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Thats so true. And the talking heads on the evening news report businesses showing “losses” in the millions and using this logic to justify laying off workers who have been employed by said companies for many years just so they can replace them with new workers on a starting pay scale. This doesn’t happen where I work because of union seniority.
March 12th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
The most popular game in America is now in the hands of lawyers…
March 12th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
post85, Sorry, but you had a bad rep from the TEAMSTERS, Ive been with Kaiser since 1973, thanks to UNION NEG contracts,Retail Clerks,and Teamsters.I pay dues of $59 a month,for that I receive Med care,pension,and job protection,along w/401k.(dues were just raised to $59)Oh for the naysayers,Kaiser visit is $10 per,meds are $5 each.Thats all for now,sick of Union bashing. ps,understand public vs private,Im private employee
March 12th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
It’s up to the ability to negotiate a deal. It’s not what you’re worth, it’s what you can negotiate. Teamsters are extremely powerful……….other unions may not be, again it’s what you can negotiate.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
where is jimmy hoffa sr.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Broncos are willing to open their books
Posted by Mike Florio on March 12, 2011, 11:05 PM EST
During last week’s squabble over financial transparency, a report emerged that some owners were willing to open their books fully and completely to the NFLPA*.
Count the Broncos among the willing.
CEO Joe Ellis said Saturday that the team has no qualms about letting the union see for itself the changes in financial performance since the last CBA was signed in 2006.
“If the league decides they want to open up the books of the Denver Broncos to present them to the union — I don’t know if the league is into identifying individual clubs because they’re private businesses,” Ellis said, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. “But with a neutral [auditor] to verify the fact that certain teams haven’t been operating as effectively as they did in the past, we’re a willing and able participant.’”
Ellis also complained about the union’s failure to even eyeball profitability data that the league had offered.
“We offered to show the union league-wide and club profitability data,” Ellis said. “Not only that it can be verified by a mutually agreed upon third-party auditor. This is the type of information we don’t share with each other. In other words, we aren’t allowed to see how other teams are doing specifically in terms of revenues and expenses. Everything is very formalized in terms of information we get from other clubs. Now the union didn’t even want to look at it.”
Ellis also joined the league-wide chorus of voices claiming that the NFLPA* didn’t want to negotiate at the bargaining table, but via the courts.
“[Owner] Pat [Bowlen] certainly believes they had no real good intention of negotiating and their goal all along was to go down the path of litigation,” Ellis said. “It’s extremely disappointing and it frustrates Pat. It makes him angry. He’s fully aware that it makes our friends, our constituents, our season-ticket holders and everybody who supports us angry and disappointing. But we can’t stop operating.” (Other than, you know, locking the players out.)
We still don’t know why any of this would make an owner “angry,” apart from the fact that some really rich people are very accustomed to getting their way, and they get “angry” on those rare occasions when they don’t. Both sides are attempting to use their full legal rights to get the best deal possible. The league thinks a better deal happens via collective bargaining. The players think a better deal happens via litigation. It would be nice if someone on either side of this fight would simply be honest about that reality, and not complain about it.
Either way, Saturday’s comments from guys like Pete Kendall and Joe Ellis suggest that there’s a middle ground that can be staked out for an acceptable financial disclosure that would then allow the talks to continue, regardless of the format in which they occur.
Hopefully, once everyone has thrown their tantrums and cleaned up after their pity parties, they can get back to work.
March 12th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Dhani Jones says no football sniff sniff that stinks!
March 13th, 2011 at 5:50 am
Yeah, unions are just awful. Read Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”. That’s how businesses should be operated.
March 13th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Upton Sinclair ran for congress – on the socialist ticket. No Lie. He also wrote tons of fiction and never once ran a business.
March 13th, 2011 at 8:22 am
Most people don’t run businesses. I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying that if you don’t run a business, you have no place to talk about labor working conditions? Only business owners should decide how good the working conditions are? That’s like some sort of New Austrian utopia.
Labor is a resource that has an actual conscience and intellect. Therefore, it can negotiate how it is used by business, unlike minerals and other natural resources that obviously are incapable of having any say in the matter.
True, Sinclair wrote a fictionalized account of the early 20th century meat-packing industry. And? By your logic, the British actually had good intentions for colonial America because “The Patriot” is a piece of fiction. Mark Gordon and Robert Rodat are nothing more than British-hating propagandists who never fought in a war and shouldn’t comment on such things, right?
March 13th, 2011 at 9:00 am
The possibility of no NFL is just another sign that this country is about ready to collapse. In a few more years, it may be time to get a shotgun and move back to Idaho. I’m going to start a commune if anyone wants to join me. No Zombies allowed.
March 13th, 2011 at 9:04 am
All this talk of socialism on this blog is hilarious. If you are an NFL fan, you are a fan of socialism. The NFL is the most successful realization of Marx ever.
March 13th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Was it the Union that almost destroyed America or the fat cats on Wall St.? I doubt those Fat Cats were Union Members.
March 13th, 2011 at 10:08 am
What’s up Aig? Are you over the fact that your boy Gradkowski isn’t going to be the QB next season? On the bright side, there may be no NFL, and you can watch Grads play his heart out in the UFL where he belongs. I think you belong there too you pathetic weasel.
March 13th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Following Sinclair’s take on business makes as much sense as seeking marital advice from a catholic priest.
March 13th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Anyway, I’m going on vacation for 3 weeks. Hopefully by the time I get back there will be a new post and a reason to talk about the draft again.
March 13th, 2011 at 11:02 am
A.B. Paine III Says:
November 27th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Grads should have come in during the second quarter in Pittsburgh.
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Didnt you dump your boy Jason in the middle of last season? Who’s the weasel now?
Grow up already dude.
March 13th, 2011 at 11:15 am
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March 13th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
44.inonewordraider Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Good union job? LOL. You must be kidding. LOL.
Maybe you do. Who knows. But I don’t want to be in no damn union man so they can take money away from my pockets! They tried that sht when I need a job in college. Tried to work for UPS loading trucks but they said I had to join a union. Hell to the NO! That basically cut my pay by a significant margin. It wasn’t even worth it to have a job LOL!!!
Now I make very good paper doing what I do and my job is freakin awesome! I don’t envy no “good union job” …trust me! lol!
Selfish brat is what you are, only worried about yourself. Try growin up in the hood in a broken home, with an addict mom, with drug dealers and gang bangers as neighbors and then try to make it through college and make all that paper. It’s not a level playing field so we should all help our fellow man
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Whoa-hoe!!! looks like somebody struck a nerve. Dude, you don’t know jack sht about me yet you are making some hellified assumptions. I didnt grow up in no damn priviledged society. We were bottom middle class if you ask me, probably lower given all the mouths to feed.
In fact, the town I grew up in has gotten so bad, years after I left the Feds had to come in to start shuttin it down. Still, my upbringing was solid.
I’m minority you dipsht. So you can kiss my azz.
I have worked for everything I have from the bottom up. And by many accounts I have “made it”. Still, making it is not what you think it is.
March 13th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
86.Just Win Baby Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
If big business makes 800 million dollars in the first fiscal quarter and 780 million dollars in the second fiscal quarter, they call that a 20 million dollar loss. I still see it as a 780 million dollar gain. This is how big business shows a loss in profits and says they are going broke. Profits down 5%. it is still a 780 million dollar profit any way ya slice it.
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This makes no sense
March 13th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
88.Just Win Baby Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Thats so true. And the talking heads on the evening news report businesses showing “losses” in the millions and using this logic to justify laying off workers who have been employed by said companies for many years just so they can replace them with new workers on a starting pay scale. This doesn’t happen where I work because of union seniority.
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You all seem to be under some assumption that you are ENTITLED to a job. You are NOT entitled to anything. What you can do is build YOUR OWN business and hire who you wish at whatever compensation you think is fair; but don’t tell someone else how to run THEIR enterprise. YOU are the one looking for a job that the owner owns.
You don’t like it? Go somewhere else or build YOUR OWN enterprise. Don’t wait for someone else to build something then become a leash demanding things (and trying to tax them out of business …then where does that get you?). Go out and build you own and stop complaining.
I just don’t get your sense of entitlement.
March 13th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Everyone and anyone can negotiate salary benefits and anything involving their general welfare.
Unions represent less than 10% of the private sector workforce. Yet they are some 40% of the govt workforce. That a serious difference …many questions should be asked about it.
Truth be told …by its mere representation noted above within the private sector, most Americans don’t find today’s union viable or necessary.
March 13th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
And that “union senority” stuff is a load of bullcrap …you should not receive higher compesation for the mere fact that you aged by 1 year. That’s downright retarded! And that’s probably a good reason why so many of the companies that have unions suffer or are in serious risk of bankruptcy.
You should be comp’d by your productivity ..not just because you are older than me. That sht is retarded.
March 13th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
For the record: I believe unions WERE necessary back in the late 1800s early 1900s when labor conditions by many accounts were horrible. Coincidently, that is when unions became powerful advocates of better conditions. Having achieved its goal, its power since began to diminish.
Now, if labor conditions deteriorate as it were in the past I would expect unions to reassert themselves.
That is the balance.
March 13th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Sooo…
Who will be Al’s sleeper draft pick this year, ala Veldheer?
What sub 4.0 forty yard time guy be in Silver & Black, when ever they play football again?
March 13th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Tell the families of the Dead Coal Miners, of the Union Busting Massey Mines. After busting the unions, they proceeded to gut safety standards in preference of profit.
March 13th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
If business owners were honest and not such greedy basta@#s unions wouldn’t be necessary.The problem is most wouldn’t treat their employees like decent human beings without someone forcing them to,ergo the reasons we must have unions.Unions equal 40 hr work weeks,vacations,sick leave,retirement packages,health benefits,etc.Without unions the working man would have none of those things.If someone believes business people would just give employees those benefits out of the goodness of their hearts or because they like the employees they are living in fantasy land.Those type of employers are few and far between.
March 13th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Unions represent folks that dont want to represented.
The Unions then confiscate money from their paychecks and then fund campaigns of crooked corrupt Dem candidates with the money that came from their rank & file. If those Dems win they give the unions huge kick backs.
The Dem party and thug unions are joined at the hip like 2 crooked kunts that they are. Politics and unions should have no bond or relationship unless they need each other to survive, and they do.
March 13th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Yes lefty all corporations are greedy pigs that treat their employee’s like garbage. Keep sucking on the tit of liberalism and bury your head in their a$$ like the pawn that you are.
D-bag, move to Spain or Greece and live in the misery of a green economy where govt holds your hand every step of the way. Take about 10 million libtards with you and make this a better country by subtraction, thanks in advance. Dont forget KK & MR, you should be in appropriate company.
March 13th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
March 13th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Yes lefty all corporations are greedy pigs that treat their employee’s like garbage. Keep sucking on the tit of liberalism and bury your head in their a$$ like the pawn that you are.
D-bag, move to Spain or Greece and live in the misery of a green economy where govt holds your hand every step of the way. Take about 10 million libtards with you and make this a better country by subtraction, thanks in advance. Dont forget KK & MR, you should be in appropriate company.
…………………………This should be a lesson to you cause this is what happens too you when you watch too much fox news channel,when you watch the show 24 and see jack bauer beat the crap owt of a muslim every week you think all muslims are bad,when you watch too much fox news channel you think bankers are good guys ,so step away from the remote and turn off the tv.
March 13th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
If business owners were honest and not such greedy basta@#s unions wouldn’t be necessary.The problem is most wouldn’t treat their employees like decent human beings without someone forcing them to,ergo the reasons we must have unions.Unions equal 40 hr work weeks,vacations,sick leave,retirement packages,health benefits,etc.Without unions the working man would have none of those things.If someone believes business people would just give employees those benefits out of the goodness of their hearts or because they like the employees they are living in fantasy land.Those type of employers are few and far between.
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this is not a blanket “unions are bad” post, but those changes were in the past. people can be grateful for the change achieved by unions in the past, however that doesnt mean they are still the benevolent organizations they perhaps started out to be. a union is a business too.
March 13th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Phatcable,he can’t help himself.Another ignorant,right wing nutcase, tea bagger.Instead of living by food and water,they live on hate.The problem is with their narrow-minded bigoted ways they are helping destroy this once great country.
March 13th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
So unions and politics should be separated at the hip,yet corporations should be allowed to spend freely to elect their puppets to political offices.What a fool.
March 13th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
NFL wants Congress out of labor dispute, except when it helps the NFL
Some of you blame the NFL for the current predicament that football fans face. Some of you blame the players.
We blame everyone, since grown men of goodwill and common sense and reasonable intelligence should have been able to figure out how to carve up a $9 billion pie.
And so whenever anyone in this debacle-bordering-on-shibacle says or does something that merits a good calling out, call them out we will.
This hour’s target is the league, which has long resisted any suggestion that Congress be involved in the current dispute between the NFL and the NFLPA*. On January 21, 2011, for example, the league posted at its labor propaganda website a blurb declaring that 99 percent of all fans oppose Congressional involvement in the labor dispute.
“That isn’t anything Congress needs to regulate, nor should it require federal intervention at all,” said Ed Morrissey, proprietor of the site that conducted the poll. “As Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), chair of the House Judiciary Committee, puts it, ‘The NFL and NFLPA are literally and figuratively big boys. They do not need Congress’s help to referee every business dispute.’”
Apparently, someone from the one-percent minority is minding the store at NFLLabor.com today.
The latest blurb posted at the site points out that three Congressmen have written a letter to NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith, urging him to meet (for the first time ever) with NFL Alumni president George Martin.
“The retirement benefits for former players are an important issue,” Congressmen Wm. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.), Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) and former NFL quarterback Heath Shuler (D-N.C.; pictured) said in their letter to Smith. “Therefore, we urge you to set time aside to meet soon with Mr. Martin and NFL Alumni. . . . We look forward to a prompt response to our request.”
Given that the league’s latest offer increases benefits to retired players, the NFL obviously is hoping to squeeze the NFLPA* by persuading current and former players to clamor for the offer to be accepted, or at a minimum for further negotiations to occur.
And that’s fine. But it’s horribly poor form, in for the NFL to take the position that Congress should stay out of the labor dispute when involvement could pressure the league to do a deal, and then to embrace Congressional involvement when it could pressure the players to do a deal.
March 13th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
I think it’s silly to draw too many parallells between the players union and any blue collar working man’s union anyway. I will never in my life earn what Asomougha earned just last year. I have a hard time feeling terribly sorry for either side and, quite frankly, I can be perfectly content to watch college football this year.
March 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Avg NFL Career is 3 years. By 50 these guys can barely get out of bed.
But, there’s a lot of African American’s making big money in the NFL, and therein lies the public relations problem.
March 13th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
But nobody seems to mind the good ole boys in Police & Fire Depts unionizing. Funny that.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
KK, you are a natural born retard. Funny that.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Pisses me off we don’t have union for burger flippers. A person can turn a burger and have the greasy hot thing land on their flippin wrist and and have that hand rendered useless. I’m gonna start a ‘Flippin Burger Union’. Burger flippers of the world, unite! Then and only then can the world truly enjoy how a burger was meant to enjoy. And that goes for hot cakes too.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
If corporations are doing that its their business with their own hard earned cash vs the unions who are confiscating hard earned cash from rank & file and not putting it back into the rank & file gen fund.
Even a retard like you lefty can know the difference between confiscating cash and earning cash, or maybe not. Libtards can’t really put 2 & 2 together without coming up with 3.
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# lefty12 Says:
March 13th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
So unions and politics should be separated at the hip,yet corporations should be allowed to spend freely to elect their puppets to political offices.What a fool.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Avg NFL Career is 3 years. By 50 these guys can barely get out of bed.
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Their choice. Its the lure of dollar and fame. Construction workers can barely make it out of bed too by age 50 with very little in the bank or retirement.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Why so many Raider fans are such slobbering libtards is beyond me. I had no idea this many zombies are walking about.
Staggering really…
March 13th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 13th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
But nobody seems to mind the good ole boys in Police & Fire Depts unionizing. Funny that.
…………….well i mind most of those fat bast@RDs just sit around and eat twinkees and doughnuts.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Realtors that sell 1 house in a calendar year while sponging off their butch wife have no problems getting out of bed at age 50.
Well except for the gout, corns, being over weight and just plain lazy!
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KoolKell Says:
March 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Avg NFL Career is 3 years. By 50 these guys can barely get out of bed.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
March 13th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Why so many Raider fans are such slobbering libtards is beyond me. I had no idea this many zombies are walking about.
Staggering really…
………………well most of us are honest people who have not sold our soul too the devil.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Mistabr0wn repent!
March 13th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Raider fans talking unions and labor agreements….damn, it’s Going to be a lonnnnng spring.
March 13th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Peyton Manning to the New York Jets? It could happen in the new NFL after labor struggle settled
Gary Myers
Originally Published:Sunday, March 13th 2011, 4:00 AM
Updated:
Huh/APCould Peyton Manning (l.) be Mark Sanchez’s (r.) teammate on the Jets? No possibility can be ruled out in a post-lockout National Football League. Related NewsAFC Wild Card: Breaking down the matchupsLupica: Ryan should be a nervous RexManning: Preparing for Rex’s D takes timeSuper Bowl matchups: Breaking down Saints vs. ColtsSmith: Colts the picture of consistencyVilma plans for Peyton with old Jet pals
Mark Sanchez has taken the Jets to two straight AFC Championship Games in his first two years, but how many PSLs do you think Peyton Manning would sell for Woody Johnson if he signed with Gang Green as a free agent for a couple of years?
One of the most intriguing possibilities that comes out of the decertification/lockout battle between the trade association – the once and future NFL Players Association – and the NFL is that Manning could soon become the greatest unrestricted free agent in the history of the sport.
When the union decertified Friday, it filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL with Tom Brady the first name listed (it’s alphabetical) among the 10 plaintiffs. Manning is a plaintiff, too. The union also filed a request for a preliminary injunction – not for a temporary restraining order – to stop the lockout. The lockout went into effect Friday night at midnight.
It will take several weeks before federal judge David Doty, who has made several crucial rulings in favor of the players and is expected to preside over the case, makes a decision in Minneapolis. A temporary restraining order would have been ruled on right away, but would have lasted only a short time.
It is anticipated Doty will grant the injunction. The NFL will immediately appeal to the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis. It could take days or weeks to get a decision.
So, in the time between the injunction stopping the lockout and a ruling on the appeal, the NFL is expected to be back in business with a new league year starting and the beginning of free agency. Manning, who has played 13 years with the Colts but never been an unrestricted free agent, was among 14 players designated with the franchise tag in February.
NFLPA outside counsel Jim Quinn said yesterday that the tags can’t be enforced and have no effect. “Null and void,” he told the Daily News.
There is no union and no collective bargaining agreement and presumably no franchise tags.
It will be up to the league to impose new free agency rules and perhaps up to Doty to rule whether franchise tags are legit.
Quinn said the 2010 rules – no salary cap, with the unrestricted free agency requirement jumping from four years to six – are too “restrictive.” A return to the 2009 rules with the four-year requirement and a salary cap would be more acceptable.
In either case, Quinn said the franchise tags will be challenged. If the players win, Manning would be an unrestricted free agent for the first time in his career. What do you think he would be worth on the open market? Let the bidding start at $25 million per year.
March 13th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
[...] deal done and save everything that goes along with an NFL season. Oakland The Raiders are taking this lockout thing seriously. Soon after the lockout began, they took down player images from their website. I can’t blame [...]
March 13th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Perhaps that’s why so many people are indeed blaming the players for the current situation, even though as Hub Arkush of Pro Football Weekly capably explains it the owners bear the brunt of the blame for wanting to shift the status quo during a time of unprecedented popularity and prosperity, without proving that a shift is needed.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/13/dolphins-message-to-season-ticket-holders-hints-at-coordination-of-message-by-league/
March 13th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
They need to settle this and play football and the only way too settle it is thru a third party stepping in and helping out like the Internal Revenue Service.
March 13th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
OAKLAND RAIDERS
1220 Harbor Bay Parkway
Alameda, CA 94502
March 11, 2011
Dear [Player Name]:
This is to inform you that the Oakland Raiders (“Club”) will institute a lockout of its players (“Peasants”) as of 12:00 a.m. Eastern time on March 12, 2011.
During the lockout, the following will be in effect:
1. You will not be able to enter any Club facility or the stadium. Mr. Davis will be monitoring you via satellite from his secret underground lair. If you are even seen in the parking lot, you will be immediately incinerated with either a laser beam fired from space or a cannonball blast.
2. You will not receive any compensation from the Club. Contracts, however, will be honored for those bringing Mr. Davis the severed heads of either Lane Kiffin or Jon Gruden.
3. The Club will not pay for or provide health insurance. You will receive additional information about options to continue your current coverage through COBRA. Please note that COBRA is in a pitched battle with G.I. Joe and it might be some time before you hear from them. If you need assistance, please contact the plan administrators, Zartan or Serpentor, through the Hasbro Corp. via sealed diplomatic pouch.
4. You will not be able to perform any duties under your Player Contract or otherwise perform any duties for the Club. Those of you who made extra money digging up graves seeking fresh bodies for Mr. Davis’ cloning experiments may continue to do so, as that is considered an Outside Contract and essential for his plan of world domination.
5. Testing and treatment obligations under the Policy and Program for Substance of Abuse and Policy on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances will cease. Gamma (Dr. Banner), Cosmic Ray (Dr. Richards) and Super Soldier (Dr. Erskine) treatments do not fall under this category, and will continue unabated.
6. The Club will not give you further instructions or guidance as to workout or trainings. This will not be any different from how we do things normally.
7. Club security and player development staff will not assist you with legal or any other problems. If such services are needed, Mr. Davis recommends any of the following: Matt Houston, Thomas Magnum, Simon and Simon, or the fictional comic book characters Luke Cage and Iron Fist.
8. During the lockout, the explosive tracking chips that Mr. Davis installed in your neck will be deactivated. Please be aware that extreme temperatures and moisture can result in chip malfunction and explosion. We apologize for any inconvenience or anxiety this may cause.
9. You are free to engage in any alternative employment during the lockout. Any services provided to Communist, Socialist, Mormon or Werewolf organizations, however, will not be tolerated and you will be hunted down and killed by Mr. Davis’ loyal band of ninja assassins (“The Autumn Wind”). Once a new labor agreement is reached between the NFL and the Union you may be expected to join the Club immediately. Therefore, you should structure any alternate employment so you can return to the Club promptly after a new labor agreement is reached.
If you have any questions, please contact the blood-sucking stooges that run the NFL Players Association.
Sincerely,
Al Davis
Owner/General Manager
Oakland Raiders
19th-Level Warlock
P.S. Please remember that if an agreement is reached, the first Thursday of each month is Hawaiian shirt day, and I expect 100 percent participation this year. Davis out!
March 13th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
How I wish this forum had an “ignore” feature. It would be so much less tedious and sad to do without many, many ” I know you are, but what am I?” conversations, and just be able to read Raider discussions.
March 13th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
10.TerrapinRaider Says:
March 12th, 2011 at 7:45 am
To increase already hefty profits???? LOL …man you are nutz …they have to move ops to stay in business …to stay competitive …its all economics man
If I move my business overseas to save money on lower labor cost I have a dual advantage over my competition:
1. I can keep my prices the same and make more money from reduced input cost and play nice
2. I can use my savings to undercut his price and drive him out of business which will increase my profits based on increased quantities sold
This shts simple econ man
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only to a simpleton like yourself!
You think it’s OK for jobs to be shipped elsewhere where nobody has fought and died for equal and human rights and is also willing to work in a sweat-shop at less than fought and bargained for wages is a corporations right and is supposed to be acceptable to all of us here who have fought the fight?
You sir are at the very least…UN-american! And that is coming from a Canadian, the most tolerant of people.
March 13th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Anarchy will finally rule the NFL. What once was a structured organization has now become mired in greed, chaos and hostility. Players will be likened to musical chairs and loyalty to a team will be non-existant. Owners will ruthlessly pay top dollar for top athletes and salaries will skyrocket. Those fans left who are wealthy enough to afford unrealistic ticket prices will still attend games, but the numbers will be few. Concessions will cease to exist because of cost vs. proffit. It won’t be uncommon in the future for a player to have suited up on say, 15 to 18 different teams before his career is done.
Great job not avoiding this lockout you, the NFL and the NFLPA saw coming for years. You could have at least considered the outside businesses that thrive off the sport, but that would be asking too much. Good luck gettting the games back on track, and remember it’s the fans who really make you the dollars.
March 13th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
What do you guys think of our signings now that you read about this possibility.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nfl-labor-next-season-would-be-played-without-salary-cap-if-lockout-is-lifted/2011/03/13/AB3QyfT_story.html
March 13th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
So dissapointed my hero Coach Davis did not avert the lockout. He tried tho, showed those greedy owners just how inflated salaries could get, set the wage scale, but they didn’t listen. Coach Davis set the bar to high, and neither party could reach it.
March 13th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Dear Coach Davis, please make the trip to DC and take tour shoe off and slam it on the table to get everyones attention, and then set them straight, tell them like it is. That would most certainly be appreciated.
March 13th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Just goes to show you how screwed up things really got without Coach Davis’ presence at the CBA table. As goes Coach Davis, so goes the NFL.
March 13th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Coach Davis has to be upset, after all he founded the NFL, made it what it is today for fans enjoyment, at the expense of his own team at times, mind you, and look at it now. So anyone wants to rag on Coach better keep in mind if it wasn’t for him, there would probably be no NFL and, for that matter, no Coach Davis for all you haters to hate on.
March 13th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
And one more thing for all you Coach Davis haters. Coach rewards loyalty with loyalty. When the late Mr. Upshaw was in charge, him and Coach knew how to make it work. Now, look what these upstarts have done.
March 13th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Some news about who the Raiders have looked at:
http://85percentsports.com/2011/03/09/nfl-teams-draft-interests/
March 14th, 2011 at 5:15 am
[...] deal done and save everything that goes along with an NFL season. Oakland The Raiders are taking this lockout thing seriously. Soon after the lockout began, they took down player images from their website. I can’t blame [...]
March 14th, 2011 at 11:19 am
I think the owners should CRUSH the players union! When Peyton Manning is whining with his 100+ million dollar contract I get nauseated. Come work for my $12.00 Hr digging trenches you whiney rich losers. Free agency destroyed the game. Players don’t play to win, they play to increase their already bloated contracts. There is no team loyalty, teams don’t stay together anymore. Bring on the replacement players, I’d love to see another guy like Tim Mazzetti get a shot. Put a couple plumbers and pipefitters on the steelers, some long shoreman on the raiders. I’d rather watch B grade football with guys that care than A++ with rich losers that don’t give a hang.
March 14th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
[...] The Contra Costa Times reports that the Raiders have taken the images of Raiders players off their website as the lockout moves on. The listed rosters are still intact, but the Raiders have removed the images of players, including Nnamdi Asomugha and Darren McFadden, from the borders of the lead page of their official Web site. [...]
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