Meet the new Raiders; same as the old Raiders
By Steve Corkran
Monday, March 14th, 2011 at 6:11 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Note: The esteemed Jerry McDonald is on a mandated one-week furlough. I will do my best to fill the sizable void during Jerry’s absence. — Steve Corkran
Cornerback Stanford Routt uttered the words, but they might as well be plastered all over the Raiders year-round facility in Alameda for the 2011 season:
“We’re a lot closer to the making the playoffs than people think.”
That’s part of what Routt said in an interview with National Football Post earlier this month, yet it just as easily could have come from managing general partner Al Davis, new coach Hue Jackson or anyone else within the organization.
Routt cited close losses to the 49ers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Arizona Cardinals as reasons for optimism heading into next season.
“You change the outcome (of those games) and we’re not 8-8,” Routt said. “We’re 11-5 and we’re in the playoffs.”
Never mind that two of Oakland’s victories came in games they just as easily could have lost – the first game against the San Diego Chargers and the first game against the Kansas City Chiefs. Let’s go with Routt’s line of thinking, which is something that Davis and Jackson apparently are comfortable doing.
How else do you explain the Raiders offseason moves to this point? Most teams fresh from an 8-8 season seek wholesale changes in hopes they can make the jump from mediocrity to Super Bowl contender.
Davis and Jackson are thinking like Routt, that the Raiders were talented enough to be an 11-5 team last season and few changes are necessary between now and the regular-season opener in September or whenever, depending upon how the collective bargaining mess plays out.
The evidence comes from the myriad moves made in the 71 days since the Raiders concluded their 2010 season with a convincing victory over the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium.
Davis and the Raiders tendered contract offers to tight end Zach Miller, running back Michael Bush, center Samson Satele and long-snapper Jon Condo, signed Routt, defensive tackles Richard Seymour and John Henderson, special teams ace Rock Cartwright and offensive lineman Daniel Loper to extensions, and designated outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley as their exclusive franchise player.
Fullback Marcel Reece and backup defensive tackle Desmond Bryant also likely were tendered one-year contracts – this hasn’t been confirmed yet — given their production last season, potential and the relatively cheap cost of signing them as restricted free agents.
Add it all up, and the Raiders of 2011 are going to look much the same as the Raiders of 2010. The glaring exceptions will be at left guard, with Gallery told to seek employment elsewhere, possibly right cornerback, unless three-time Pro Bowler Nnamdi Asomugha is dead-set upon being a part of the Raiders turnaround, be it in 2011 or whenever, and free safety. Michael Huff’s contract voided, and he isn’t a sure bet to be asked back.
Even so, the Raiders feel as if they are covered in all three areas. Loper filled in well for Gallery during a four-game stretch last season, and he received a two-year contract befitting a starter. Chris Johnson, Walter McFadden and Jeremy Ware are eager for a shot at a starting job at cornerback. Stevie Brown and Hiram Eugene await the word to fill in at free safety.
Beyond that, the Raiders have taken steps to ensure that just about every other starter and key reserve will be back in 2011. Davis even found the time to re-sign seldom-used running back Michael Bennett and third-string quarterback Kyle Boller before the lockout took effect.
The only other position unsettled is at right guard, the domain of veteran Cooper Carlisle the past four seasons. Davis is high on second-year player Bruce Campbell, and he wants to see Campbell on the field and not with hands on hips on the sideline. This doesn’t bode well for Carlisle seeing a fifth season as a starter with the Raiders.
There’s a huge danger in the Raiders thinking they were only “three or four plays” away from being a playoff team last season, as Routt said. Just the same, there’s also a huge upside from the standpoint of the Raiders being much farther along in preparation for next season than other teams who haven’t made many moves and are waiting to see how the CBA situation unfolds.
Time will tell whether Routt, Davis and Jackson are correct in assuming that the Raiders are on the cusp of challenging for the Super Bowl.
Here’s a year-by-year comparison at how the Raiders starting lineup looked in 2010 and how it is projected to look for 2011:
2010 2011
QB – Jason Campbell Jason Campbell
FB – Marcel Reece Marcel Reece
RB – Darren McFadden Darren McFadden
WR –Louis Murphy Louis Murphy
WR –Darrius Heyward-Bey Darrius Heyward-Bey
TE – Zach Miller Zach Miller
LT – Mario Henderson Jared Veldheer
LG – Robert Gallery Daniel Loper
C – Jared Veldheer Samson Satele
RG – Cooper Carlisle Bruce Campbell
RT – Langston Walker Langston Walker
DE – Matt Shaughnessy Matt Shaughnessy
DT — Tommy Kelly Tommy Kelly
DT – Richard Seymour Richard Seymour
DE – Lamarr Houston Lamarr Houston
SLB – Kamerion Wimbley Kamerion Wimbley
MLB – Rolando McClain Rolando McClain
WLB – Quentin Groves Travis Goethel
LCB – Stanford Routt Stanford Routt
SS – Tyvon Branch Tyvon Branch
FS – Michael Huff Hiram Eugene
RCB — Nnamdi Asomugha Chris Johnson
K — Sebastian Janikowski Sebastian Janikowski
P — Shane Lechler Shane Lechler
KR – Jacoby Ford Jacoby Ford
PR – Johnnie Lee Higgins Nick Miller
LS – Jon Condo Jon Condo
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March 14th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
1st
March 14th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
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March 14th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
“Most teams fresh from an 8-8 season seek wholesale changes in hopes they can make the jump from mediocrity to Super Bowl contender.”
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I guess Steve doesn’t consider ditching your FC and DC a big deal.
What massive FA signings would Steve have recommmended before THEY RENEGOTIATE THE CBA?!!
So whens Jerry get back?
March 14th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
HC dammit HC! not FC
For Steve that means Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator.
J/K Steve is an excellent writer.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
March 14th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
The Buffalo Bills made a strong statement in the 2010 NFL Draft by selecting C.J. Spiller and while the dramatic pick came to a shock for many, Buffalo “Billieved” that Spiller was the difference maker they needed. Spiller was the best available player on the draft board, regardless of how many running backs they already had.The Oakland Raiders foolishly passed over Spiller but the bills were not about to make the same mistake!
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Who wrote this drivel? CJ Spiller was the 9th overall pick in the draft. He rushed for a grand total of 283 yards and averaged 3.8 yards per carry, scoring zero touchdowns and returning one kickoff for a score.
Jacoby Ford (Spiller’s teammate at Clemson) caught 25 balls for 470 yards and two touchdowns, and proved to be as dangerous a kickoff returner as there is in the NFL, returning three for touchdowns. He was taken in the FOURTH ROUND.
The Raiders pick Spiller and the Bills take Ford and we’d be hearing ad nauseum about how stupid Al Davis was for making the pick, and how smart the Bills were for waiting until the fourth round to get his teammate.
Some writers just can’t get out of their own way when it comes to criticizing the Raiders. I’m all about the justified stuff, but that article is just dumb.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Routt has said party line crap like this before. called him on it once. He said in an interview “We were a fraction of an inch away from amking plays that would’ve turned our season around.”
When I mentioned that he got rankled till I sent him a link.
“Oh, yeah, ok.”
Kool Aid smile.
Routt, Davis night not see it but your a slacker.
You better Pro Bowl next time we have a season
March 14th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
5. Word. Take Spiller with that pick and tell Bush and DMC to sit. Riiight
March 14th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Edward Teach, your post is on point! As far as the Raiders from 2010 to 2011, not bad at all. All the Raiders need is a draft this year like last year and they take the AFC West and maybe the 1st rd in the playoffs.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Raiders picked McClain at #8 – much better choice than Spiller.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
….also a huge upside from the standpoint of the Raiders being much farther along in preparation for next season than other teams who haven’t made many moves and are waiting to see how the CBA situation unfolds.
Coach Davis. one step ahead of the rest.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Kirk Morrison and CJ Spiller, or Rolando McClain and Jacoby Ford?
Kinda puts it into perspective.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
noteasilyimpressed Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Raiders picked McClain at #8 – much better choice than Spiller.
………….you should not drive or operate machinery in your condition………..
March 14th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
And to think that we got Ford with the pick we got from Jacksonville for the worst middle linebacker in recent Raider history. You could even call it a two for one.
And it’s the Bills that are the smart ones.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Rolando McClain is a decent player but does not justify a 8th pick in the draft!maybe 288th
March 14th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
jerry it is about time you wrote a decent article ,i thought you were a hack writer but i was wrong ,this is a professional article.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Kool.
March 14th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
15.phatcable Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
jerry it is about time you wrote a decent article ,i thought you were a hack writer but i was wrong ,this is a professional article.
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Hey Pathcable!!
You made Steve to write a NOTE at the begginning of the blog, just ´cause you´re jealous. I know you want to be the Jerry´s substitute, as the most of Pro-bloggers in here.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
McClain not worth the #8 pick??
WTF???
Some people just don’t seem to realize how tough it is for a MLB to transition from NCAA to the NFL.
Except for his lack of experience, RMcClain played like a journeyman in his first year. His major failures were few and far between, and usually a play here and there…rarely long stretches of bad play.
McClain was a rookie, calling plays like a vet, and he usually made the right call. This off-season, he’s growing even more…adding that seasoning that comes with the experience that just can’t be taught.
The Raiders were smart to draft McClain…he’ll be a Pro Bowl player for us soon, and for a long time. He’s driven to excel…and we all should be happy about that.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
McClain not worth the #8 pick??
WTF???
Some people just don’t seem to realize how tough it is for a MLB to transition from NCAA to the NFL.
Except for his lack of experience, RMcClain played like a journeyman in his first year. His major failures were few and far between, and usually a play here and there…rarely long stretches of bad play.
McClain was a rookie, calling plays like a vet, and he usually made the right call. This off-season, he’s growing even more…adding that seasoning that comes with the experience that just can’t be taught.
The Raiders were smart to draft McClain…he’ll be a Pro Bowl player for us soon, and for a long time. He’s driven to excel…and we all should be happy about that.
…………………i afraid you have kameron wimbley and mcclain mixed up fella.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Note: The esteemed Jerry McDonald is on a mandated one-week furlough. I will do my best to fill the sizable void during Jerry’s absence. — Steve Corkran
……….i will send you a case of chapstick with all the rear end kissing your doing!
March 14th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
And what would be RMcClain’s biggest weakness/es? Or is he just not going to be good?
March 14th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
C.J. SPILLER He rushed for a grand total of 283 yards and averaged 3.8 yards per carry, scoring zero touchdowns and returning one kickoff for a score………………..This was spillers rookie season and did not see much playing time cause buffalo is loaded with backs,so what is d mcfaddens excuse is first decent season out of four.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
And what would be RMcClain’s biggest weakness/es? Or is he just not going to be good?
………………MCCLAIN is going too be average cause he is not smart ,he has the IQ of a grapefruit and you have to be smart if your going to lead the defense!
March 14th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
It’s more like…
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..
March 14th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Crickets.
So…since the Raiders didn’t draft the player you wanted, another player will never be good enough.
Got it.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Smart?? What does that mean?
Can he play football…with football smarts? That’s the only question. And McClain answered that quite well, even as a rookie.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It’s hard to put together consecutive winning seasons, no less a Super Bowl when there is an obvious and easily documented 40 year league wide conspiracy working against you which includes game referees as co-conspirators.
The Raiders winning ANY SB is likened to a tree growing out of a rock on the side of the mountain. It was only through sheer determination and an unquenchable persistence despite all obstacles that they managed to win three 3 of them and play in 5.
Sometimes it takes a little bit to recover from the constant barrage of a well formulated, long term, united attack against you from forces seen and unseen.
Coach has endured despite it all, and once again has his forces poised for another offensive in 2011-2012.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Smart?? What does that mean?
Can he play football…with football smarts? That’s the only question. And McClain answered that quite well, even as a rookie.
………………………..smart are you kidding me he is about smart as a mandatory forloughed sports writer.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It’s hard to put together consecutive winning seasons, no less a Super Bowl when there is an obvious and easily documented 40 year league wide conspiracy working against you which includes game referees as co-conspirators.
The Raiders winning ANY SB is likened to a tree growing out of a rock on the side of the mountain. It was only through sheer determination and an unquenchable persistence despite all obstacles that they managed to win three 3 of them and play in 5.
Sometimes it takes a little bit to recover from the constant barrage of a well formulated, long term, united attack against you from forces seen and unseen.
Coach has endured despite it all, and once again has his forces poised for another offensive in 2011-2012.
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Are you a Raider employee?
March 14th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..
25.HayesDaze37 Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Crickets.
So…since the Raiders didn’t draft the player you wanted, another player will never be good enough.
Got it.
Mcclain did not do what he was drafted for ,stop the run,when richard seymore came out too be rested the other team always had a big run ,so seymore made the difference not mcclain.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Talking about professional athletes…
If the only thing you can say about a guy is, “he’s not smart,” then you automatically lose any argument you might have had.
The guy’s a football player…a really good young one at that. The only “football smarts” he lacks is due to inexperience. When McClain leads me wrong while studying for an exam, I’ll consider him “not smart.”
Until then — and until he starts making stupid plays regularly — I’ll consider him what he is: a strong young player who has the ability (potential!) to be a great NFL Linebacker. He’s already a pretty good one.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
We’re not talking about the great Richard Seymour.
We’re talking about RMcClain…who you want to blame for the Raiders’ inability to stop the run. Pure garbage.
He did his job far better than you give him credit for…and it’s obvious you can’t rate him as a player, when you can’t see past your own pre-determined valuation of him as a draft pick.
Next!
March 14th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
i am not saying that i am not glad mcclain is on the team , i am saying he is not worth a first round pick and dont expect too see him in the hall of fame.raiders have a lot of players that play good and were not first round picks,if al drafted jacoby ford in the first round ,from what i seen of him i would not complain.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
I am not sure the Raiders know how to stop the run…..so a leaky run defense is just the way it is.
Offense has to score more points
March 14th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Raiders definitely have some holes to fill in the draft. We definitely need to draft some Guard help.
If they have one more stellar draft they will be in the playoff hunt. The problem is I dont just want to compete for the Playoffs. If you not competing for a Title then something needs to be changed.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
“Chris Johnson, Walter McFadden and Jeremy Ware are eager for a shot at a starting job at cornerback. Stevie Brown and Hiram Eugene await the word to fill in at free safety.”
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This is Kool-Aid flowign freely. Those guys are not anywhere close to Nnamdi’s ability and impact. Not even close.
I don’t think you can discount having a shutdown CB that does not give up yards or TDs to a defense slavishly devoted to its man2man scheme.
The secondary will struggle
Offense has to score points
March 14th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
23.phatcable Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
And what would be RMcClain’s biggest weakness/es? Or is he just not going to be good?
………………MCCLAIN is going too be average cause he is not smart ,he has the IQ of a grapefruit and you have to be smart if your going to lead the defense!
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Either you’re playin or a fool.
“Intangibles: Described as a film junkie and defensive coordinator on the field. Is characterized as not only knowing his assignment on every defensive call, but also the job of every defensive teammate”
March 14th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
35. Nnamdi’s not going anywhere.
March 14th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
It’s a lot more rare to have a rookie MLB play starter-quality football, than it is to have a Receiver/Returner do it (and that’s plenty rare enough).
The fact we have numerous young talents, on O and D, bodes well for the team.
And…it doesn’t matter what round they come from…if they’re good enough to play, they’re good enough to play.
RMcClain played well enough last year…that even if he were the #1 overall pick, we wouldn’t be disappointed in his play. It only gets better from here.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
every year someone comes out of college all hyped up by the press last year it was mcclain this year its? and the winner is blaine gabbert qb ,definetely not the best qb in college ranks.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Won’t know who the real “winners” are for a few years after the draft. Unless you’re lucky enough that your rookies step in and play like veterans.
RMcClain stepped onto the field, and helped his team improve from 5-11 to 8-8…while leading his team as its play-caller…as a rookie.
That’s tough duty, and he passed most his rookie-year tests with flying colors.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
It’s a lot more rare to have a rookie MLB play starter-quality football, than it is to have a Receiver/Returner do it (and that’s plenty rare enough).
The fact we have numerous young talents, on O and D, bodes well for the team.
And…it doesn’t matter what round they come from…if they’re good enough to play, they’re good enough to play.
RMcClain played well enough last year…that even if he were the #1 overall pick, we wouldn’t be disappointed in his play. It only gets better from here.
……………….no no no your watching a different team,when you go to the stadium the raiders are the ones wearing silver and black ,if you think mcclain could of been the first pick in the draft then you have too be a jamarcus russell lover.i hope my tip on uniform colors helps you enjoy the game better!
March 14th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
We’ll see how we all feel about McClain this time next year. I’m here to say, he’s as good as advertised.
Dinner time!
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
March 14th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
post 32,wow, 32 brings back some great times,Marcus and the boys kickin butt!!! Anyway,the subject of Mcclain being a good pick vs great pick is,IMO,WAY to early for discussion! Lets see how the next few years play out, I think he will be a stud in the middle, We ALL hope that,we shall see! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 14th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Won’t know who the real “winners” are for a few years after the draft. Unless you’re lucky enough that your rookies step in and play like veterans.
RMcClain stepped onto the field, and helped his team improve from 5-11 to 8-8…while leading his team as its play-caller…as a rookie.
That’s tough duty, and he passed most his rookie-year tests with flying colors……………and if we did not waste the 8th pick in the draft on mcclain and got someone useful we would have been 10-6
March 14th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
11.edward teach Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Kirk Morrison and CJ Spiller, or Rolando McClain and Jacoby Ford?
Kinda puts it into perspective.
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Raiders tendered their leading tackler 3 yrs in a row with a 3rd rounder. ZERO takers.
Morrison made a lot of tackles but on his watch at MLB
“Over the past three years, Oakland has ranked 29th, 31st and 31st in run defense and has given up a league-high 71 rushing touchdowns in 48 games — more than even St. Louis (68) and Detroit (66).”
March 14th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
i think morrison and all are linebackers are fine the problem is they play back so far they look like safeties,that would be your defensive co-ordinators fault.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Teams can only dream that a1st round pick be a team captain and call out defensive assignment
During the rookie campaign..how is Mcclain not worth an number 8,pick..armchair general managers I laugh at
March 14th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
MCCLAIN definetly not smart if he wasnt a linebacker is only other option would be a sports writer!
March 14th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
27.djohnnyg Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It’s hard to put together consecutive winning seasons, no less a Super Bowl when there is an obvious and easily documented 40 year league wide conspiracy working against you which includes game referees as co-conspirators.
The Raiders winning ANY SB is likened to a tree growing out of a rock on the side of the mountain. It was only through sheer determination and an unquenchable persistence despite all obstacles that they managed to win three 3 of them and play in 5.
Sometimes it takes a little bit to recover from the constant barrage of a well formulated, long term, united attack against you from forces seen and unseen.
Coach has endured despite it all, and once again has his forces poised for another offensive in 2011-2012.
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Well thought out. Well said. Imagine the constant conspiracy from the NFL to try and squash you, game after game, year after year, and still survive. This year Coach Davis is comin at’em. No more mr. nice guy. the gloves are off. Coach is a survivor. Coach is battle tested and poised for Victory.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Morrison was a nice guy. I never saw him rock bottom someone..those lil receivers in the slot were scared to go down the middle.says the limit for Rolando
March 14th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
49 right on the zebras are jealous of al and conspire against him, they should fall too their knees in his presence and kiss his multiple superbowl rings.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It’s hard to put together consecutive winning seasons, no less a Super Bowl when there is an obvious and easily documented 40 year league wide conspiracy working against you which includes game referees as co-conspirators.
The Raiders winning ANY SB is likened to a tree growing out of a rock on the side of the mountain. It was only through sheer determination and an unquenchable persistence despite all obstacles that they managed to win three 3 of them and play in 5.
Sometimes it takes a little bit to recover from the constant barrage of a well formulated, long term, united attack against you from forces seen and unseen.
Coach has endured despite it all, and once again has his forces poised for another offensive in 2011-2012.
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Are you a Raider employee, Johnny?
March 14th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
27.djohnnyg Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It’s hard to put together consecutive winning seasons, no less a Super Bowl when there is an obvious and easily documented 40 year league wide conspiracy working against you which includes game referees as co-conspirators.
The Raiders winning ANY SB is likened to a tree growing out of a rock on the side of the mountain. It was only through sheer determination and an unquenchable persistence despite all obstacles that they managed to win three 3 of them and play in 5.
Sometimes it takes a little bit to recover from the constant barrage of a well formulated, long term, united attack against you from forces seen and unseen.
Coach has endured despite it all, and once again has his forces poised for another offensive in 2011-2012.
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KK, please take note. Maybe you’ll have a clearer understanding what Coach is up against. Try wearin his shoes for a moment. Not his fault he got ‘tucked’ in NE, or the refs were afraid to leave pittsburgh if they reversed harris’ catch, or monday night 2008 just to name a few. All the non-calls teams get away with, its insane. How about Nov. 11th, 2001? Screwed in Seattle.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
I think McClain was an outstanding pick and will be one of the top 3-4 MLB’s as his career takes off. I honestly think we are going to a 3/4 look more often this year. So we’ll see McClain in some very advantageous situations. As I look at this draft I see us taking a DT early there just are way too many very good Dlineman. At #48 you could get a guys who’s talelnted enough to go in the mid first rnd in most years. And then follow it up with a very good young QB to groom.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
he is right the tuck rule there is no such rule ,al discovered thru his secret police (the autumn wind)that it was added too the rule book after the game was over!
March 14th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
56.phatcable Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
he is right the tuck rule there is no such rule ,al discovered thru his secret police (the autumn wind)that it was added too the rule book after the game was over!
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And the Raiders had to sit on the runway in NE for 5 hrs because of all the snow before they could take off. Another bogus hack job because all the runway clearer people were to busy celebrating NE bogus win. Coach is a survivor.
March 14th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
last year we had a good draft but if tom cable made the picks we are in trouble!
March 14th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
RoCkwiThDaRaideR408 Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Phatcable. You’re not very smart are you? U knock our 1st round pick from last year, then u say we had a good draft? Spiller over McClain? You have to be smoking something good to even utter those words. I know im a bit late, but tht post was waaaaayyyy to stupit to ignore.
……………….i am a genius how is that stupid because i dont fall all over mcclain that means the whole draft was bad ,i said it was a good draft not a great draft but is was good,could have been better!and you spelled stupid wrong dummy.
March 14th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
get out here he is dumber than a bag of rocks ,he was put thru school on the buddy system or he would not have passed his classes.
March 14th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Tom Cable couldn’t make thos picks if he had Big Al knowledge, I know people would love to circumvent the obvious but there is only one person making picks in Oakland.
March 14th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Tom Cable couldn’t make thos picks if he had Big Al knowledge, I know people would love to circumvent the obvious but there is only one person making picks in Oakland.
March 14th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
The raiders team just wouldnt be the same w/o Nnamdi. I dont care if its. esp if were talking about Chris johnson or walter McCfadden. If we lose Nnamdi,all that does is expose the defense even more
….i hope AL has something up his sleeve for signing Nnamdi, bc if not, all you ” we dont need Nnamdi” plp are crazy
March 14th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Mcclain was in college someone stole his tv from his dorm room ,he ran after them yelling you forgot the remote.yeah this guy is real smart!
March 14th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Phatcable. You’re not very smart are you? U knock our 1st round pick from last year, then u say we had a good draft? Spiller over McClain? You have to be smoking something good to even utter those words. I know im a bit late, but tht post was waaaaayyyy to stupit to ignore.
March 14th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Oh hell naw..McClain isnt smart, but he was touted as the smartest defender coming out of the draft last year. His football IQ is of the charts. If anyone is a grapefruit, its you buddy..
March 14th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Mcclain worked at a m&m factory they fired him because he threw away all the W’s
March 14th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Phatcable those are funny and everything but he fact remains the kid is a real student of the game he’s barely 21 years old. Nick Saban said he was the smartest players he ever coached. The kid learned the playbook before the season started and is a coach on the field. To be honest your jokes would be funnier if they were about a player that wasn’t as smart as he is. This kid has perrenial all-pro ability.
March 14th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
I don’t know about that one Bauce, you may not like him but they don’t avoid players in this league who can’t play. If he were soft he’d see 15 balls a game. He only sees (1) that tells me all I need to know.
March 14th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
This site is really screwed up again, your post end up all over the place instead in sequence.
March 14th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Screw non d asomugha……go to sf or philly….just keep his soft ass away from here
March 14th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
People on raider staff even say he is soft
March 14th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Saying it aint playin’ it, beat him. Then next time he gives up 6 catches for 100 yards and 2 TD’s I’ll agree.
March 14th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Sick of that self righteous bastard…..ooooh he is soooooo intellectual and weell spoken but been a mainstay in the futility on the field. Ive seen Raiders win without him before
March 15th, 2011 at 12:04 am
Not saying they can’t win without him because it just depends on who they bring in. But to say he can’t play is not accurate. So he’s a highbrow guy, who cares? Just like I wouldn’t care if he wasa jerk I just want the best players we can get. he’s at the top of the list in this and any league.
You just have to get physical types around him and let him do his thing.
March 15th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Wat up B! I ain’t sayin much tell we get a CBA!
Besides every time I get on after the….. Ivey banned!
March 15th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Bauce, Mike Haynes was a lot like Nnamdi. While Lester Hayes big and physical and nasty and it worked damn near to perfection.
March 15th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Whatup Raccoon?? It stinks to high heavens man but we gotta get this fix man…….no doubt!
March 15th, 2011 at 2:12 am
watched the kc at oakland game i have on dvr ,raiders trailed 10-0 at halftime ,but second half was the jacoby ford show,second half kickoff for a td and some amazing catches,one he caught a long pass from campbell at the seven yard line ,it looked like he caught the pass and fell down,but in replay he was already falling down when he caught the pass,nick miller was charged with a fumble on a punt return,but was really down by contact,but tom cable used up all his challenges for the game before the first quarter was over, there was a short pass for a td that i always thought was campbell too zack miller but zack wasnt the reciever kalif barnes was,and the catch jacoby ford made in overtime was amazing!and after the game tom cable had them do that korny hip hip hooray three times.
March 15th, 2011 at 5:36 am
http://www.esquire.com/women/the-sexiest-woman-alive/brackets-2011/round-of-64/maria-sharapova-vs-caroline-wozniacki
March 15th, 2011 at 6:09 am
Good Morning Nation!
2010 roster looking like the 2011 roster? Not sure if that is good or bad!!!
March 15th, 2011 at 6:13 am
GOOD MORNING HWNRDR.
March 15th, 2011 at 6:21 am
We MAY
March 15th, 2011 at 6:21 am
What’s up Dirt Lot? Looks like this place is very scarce these days, huh? Nothing new to chat about…
March 15th, 2011 at 6:35 am
YA,DRAFT & LABOR / UNION TALK GETS OLD.SORRY,BEEN OUT OF CIRCULATION 4 AWHILE.HOW U BEEN ?
March 15th, 2011 at 6:37 am
oh crap, is the NTP server down again?
March 15th, 2011 at 6:54 am
I’ve been good…just work, home, work, home…hopefully this negotiations will end soon! We need a season…I don’t think the NFL could lose billions…
Good Afternoon LMN….what’s new on your side of the world?
March 15th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Wow…took about 10 minutes
March 15th, 2011 at 7:15 am
On slow days like today, I like to pick some random event from years past and read the thread.
Today’s topic…..2009 post draft talk!!!
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009/04/27/filling-out-the-roster/#more-4949
March 15th, 2011 at 7:33 am
Well future boy….I’m sure in 1985 that you can find plutonium in stores but in 1955, its a little hard to come by! Still one of my favorite lines from that movie!
March 15th, 2011 at 7:33 am
How’d that happen?
March 15th, 2011 at 7:38 am
LMBO!
You are right Ed. Not to mention we got Jacoby Ford for a still and he was the play maker we needed last year. Not to mention what he was able to do a position we have been lacking on WR. If Chaz does not get better this year and DHB continues to flop. Look for Jacoby to be a an even bigger part of our offense this year.
Also look what DMAC and Bush was able to do at RB this year why would we need CJ Spiller? LMBO even in a good year we get dogged by the media.
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edward teach Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
March 14th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
The Buffalo Bills made a strong statement in the 2010 NFL Draft by selecting C.J. Spiller and while the dramatic pick came to a shock for many, Buffalo “Billieved” that Spiller was the difference maker they needed. Spiller was the best available player on the draft board, regardless of how many running backs they already had.The Oakland Raiders foolishly passed over Spiller but the bills were not about to make the same mistake!
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Who wrote this drivel? CJ Spiller was the 9th overall pick in the draft. He rushed for a grand total of 283 yards and averaged 3.8 yards per carry, scoring zero touchdowns and returning one kickoff for a score.
Jacoby Ford (Spiller’s teammate at Clemson) caught 25 balls for 470 yards and two touchdowns, and proved to be as dangerous a kickoff returner as there is in the NFL, returning three for touchdowns. He was taken in the FOURTH ROUND.
The Raiders pick Spiller and the Bills take Ford and we’d be hearing ad nauseum about how stupid Al Davis was for making the pick, and how smart the Bills were for waiting until the fourth round to get his teammate.
Some writers just can’t get out of their own way when it comes to criticizing the Raiders. I’m all about the justified stuff, but that article is just dumb.
March 15th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Jacoby Ford (a 4th round pick at WIDE RECEIVER) had 10 carries for 155 yards and 2 TDs.
He is a better running back than Spiller too!
March 15th, 2011 at 8:13 am
The Raiders are doing great this offseason. Huff, Nnamdi, and Gallery all have higher market value than what they are truly worth. Nnamdi has been the highest paid defensive player, and the Raiders have gotten very little return for that investment; its time to move on.
Gallery is not much better than loper: 6-6 with Gallery in 2010, 2-2 without him(Loper starting at LG)… It comes down to wins over a replacement.
same for huff… he could barely hold of hiram eugene for 1 1/2 years as the starter; in fact Eugene was the starter for a good time. Makes no sense to resign him for All pro $.
All three players have salary demands that just don’t eqaute to a winning team. The raiders/ al davis are doing a great job.
With huff & NNamdi gone, i pray teams will think they can pass on the d, and abandon the run game the way the Chiefs and Chargers did… The Raiders can still get after the QB with the best of them with that front 7. I welcome the change, and I think the raiders see this as a great oppertunity to change the dynamics on the field
March 15th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Wow I just went backwards in time like 2 hours!!!!!
1.21 gigawatts in my 85 Delorean baby!!!!
March 15th, 2011 at 8:25 am
1.21 jiggawatts man. Jiggawatts! lol. I believe it was an ‘81 Delorean, not that the ever ‘changed’ them for model years.
March 15th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Morning peoples!
March 15th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Weird. The blogs gone crazy
March 15th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Travis Goethel is expected to be in the mix for the Raiders’ weak-side linebacker job this offseason.
Goethel actually won the job out of camp last year, but early-season back surgery sidelined him. Not much of a pass rusher, the 2010 sixth-round pick will have a hard time beating out Quentin Groves without a full offseason to impress coaches.
Source: Oakland Tribune
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Didn’t quite look the same coming back from surgery. Lets hope for the best this season.(Thats if there is football)
March 15th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Mayock mentioned Danny Watkins 27 yr old lineman outa Baylor. LT there but projects as a guard.
Could be there for Oakland…
Also, can’t recall, Trevor Scott still a Raider or not?
March 15th, 2011 at 9:16 am
79. Yeah, Routt seems to have forgotten how close a couple of those wins were. That KC game was ALL Ford going and getting that ball several times.
Haven’t seen a Raider WR do that since Brown.
Still room for improvement in Raider land. DMC made the o line better than it was and alot of succes with gadgets.
O line a question mark still like the whole right side and even center. Satele showed flahses but whose the depth?
March 15th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Nice column, Steve. But I don’t understand why you and Jerry assume that Campbell will line up at RG. Moving him to guard was Cable’s idea.
Watch Big Al start Campbell at RT.
I could see Big Al deciding that Mario H. could be a guard.
March 15th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Not afraid to open his wallet!
Owner Al Davis was proactive and spent close to $100 million in the past month to ensure would-be free agents such as Richard Seymour, Kamerion Wimbley and Stanford Routt were locked up.
March 15th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Bauce Madness Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
People on raider staff even say he is soft
I know you aint a Kobe fan, but Kobe came back the same game with an ankle injury that couldn’t have been less severe than the ankle injury that sidelined Nnamdi…
March 15th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Is Nnamdi signed yet?
March 15th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Is Huff signed yet?
March 15th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Campbell feels like he could still go back to tackle if need be, but prefers to stay where he is. If he has a good offseason, the Raiders may opt to not bring right guard Cooper Carlisle back, or the two could compete at camp.
“I’m pretty much getting comfortable at guard now,” Campbell said. “I’m starting to learn little nicks and knacks and ins and outs to just do the little stuff and catch people and see what they’re doing, other defensive linemen and stuff, and to really read myself so I can see if I’m giving something away or not.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?entry_id=79124#ixzz1GgtgeXMg
March 15th, 2011 at 10:41 am
I thought I was the last one to comment. How come their on top??????????
LMAO
March 15th, 2011 at 10:43 am
@Dakota
You play the “Autumn Wind” song for your kid yet? My girlfriend’s family came in from Orlando and the kid instantly stopped crying anytime the song was played. They actually YOUTUBED it, because anytime the kid heard the song he would come running (1 year old). The rest of the family is pissed, cause they are die-hard Jag fans.
March 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
DeAngelo lasted 8 games I think. How many games do you think Routt plays at the 10 mill per salary?
March 15th, 2011 at 11:25 am
111.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Travis Goethel looked slow footed, slow thinking, and unathletic.!
Why are folks talkin like he may be a starter? Dude may not make the roster. If he learns to long snap better, and makes a full recovery from his back surgery, he MAY stick as a by/St/Ls/BuLB.
Sorry guy maybe I am crazy, I just don’t think he is a NFL player.
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I think Goethel is an NFL player, but more of a special teamer and backup.
I would rather see a BEAST take over that WILL OLB spot like BROOKS REED from Zona. He would also be a heckuva Round 2 pick if he is there when the Raiders pick.
March 15th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Travis Goethel looked slow footed, slow thinking, and unathletic.!
Why are folks talkin like he may be a starter? Dude may not make the roster. If he learns to long snap better, and makes a full recovery from his back surgery, he MAY stick as a by/St/Ls/BuLB.
Sorry guy maybe I am crazy, I just don’t think he is a NFL player.
March 15th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Lockout over yet?
March 15th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Is Reece signed yet?
March 15th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Is Reece signed yet?
Did we address the O-line yet?
March 15th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Did coach Davis draft a speedster yet?
March 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Has the owners and players come together like butt cheeks yet?
March 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
2011 uncapped year= Raiders retaining the services of Nnamdi Asomugha, print that.
BTW I want to go on record of saying that I think the Raiders were very wise signing as many players as they did in the time they did. I think it will pay off in the upcoming season, even if it’s in a small way. I think Al is ahead of the curve on this one and see’s what’s going on before it officialy happens.
March 15th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Waddup “Bauce is in da house”?
March 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
# priesttj Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
I think McClain was an outstanding pick and will be one of the top 3-4 MLB’s as his career takes off.
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Didn’t you say the same thing about JR?
McFadden?
DHB?
You guaranteed it with them, and insulted anyone who stated otherwise.
Then you add the out that says “in time” or “as career takes off” or ‘before he’s done”.
it’s never now, it’s always you stating later on.
Facts are you just don’t have a clue, do ya, OldMan?
March 15th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Kerrigan is a BEAST, just like Brooks Reed is!
Both would be great picks by the Raiders. If the Raiders trade up to the 1st Round, Kerrigan would be a GREAT pick. Athletic, strong, high motor who can play down as a DE or standing up as a WILL or SAM OLB.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/15/kerrigan-shows-why-he-could-be-first-round-steal/?module=HP_headlines
March 15th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Archive Tony, you and Bauce are made for each other. You are both morons.
March 15th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
one of the top offensive line coaches ever in the nfl does not want too play bruce campbell last year so there has to be something wrong with him,were in trouble!
March 15th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
109.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 10:43 am
@Dakota
You play the “Autumn Wind” song for your kid yet? My girlfriend’s family came in from Orlando and the kid instantly stopped crying anytime the song was played. They actually YOUTUBED it, because anytime the kid heard the song he would come running (1 year old). The rest of the family is pissed, cause they are die-hard Jag fans.
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No, but he has a little football that when it gets shaken it will say Just Win Baby, Touchdown Raaaaaiders or plays a little football jingle…..he cracks up when it says TD Raaaaiders….not sure how to take that yet….is he mocking the Raiders?
March 15th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
F the NFL, F the players, F the 31 other owners, and F all other pro sports!!
God bless the NATION, the Only Nation, THE RAIDER NATION!!!
March 15th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
I’ll bet Jerry rigged this blog to self destruct while he is on a furlough to show the bosses how important he is to the comment count and advertising dollars.
March 15th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
posts are out of order!
Jerry come back!
March 15th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
118.HairyBush Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
2011 uncapped year= Raiders retaining the services of Nnamdi Asomugha, print that.
BTW I want to go on record of saying that I think the Raiders were very wise signing as many players as they did in the time they did. I think it will pay off in the upcoming season, even if it’s in a small way. I think Al is ahead of the curve on this one and see’s what’s going on before it officialy happens.
March 15th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Kerrigan is a BEAST, just like Brooks Reed is!
Both of these BEASTS would be great picks by the Raiders. If the Raiders trade up to the 1st Round, Kerrigan would be a GREAT pick. Athletic, strong, high motor who can play down as a DE or standing up as a WILL or SAM OLB!
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/15/kerrigan-shows-why-he-could-be-first-round-steal/?module=HP_headlines
March 15th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Bauce Madness Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Sick of that self righteous bastard…..ooooh he is soooooo intellectual and weell spoken
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Nnamdi’s everything that you’re not. He’s class, you’re trash.
March 15th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
I know that the NFL has an antitrust exemption so that they can collectively negotiate TV deals for all 32 teams….which is a good thing for the owners AND the players.
So going after the NFL’s antitrust exemptions seems like a bad idea. I know it would give the players leverage, but long term, if their actions resulted in the NFL losing its ability to collectively negotiate TV deals, then the players are going to lose money as the pie shrinks.
I know they just want short-term leverage, but they seem to be playing with fire. And it might seem cool if the players could sign with any team they wanted to after college, but the end result would be the end of many of the franchises and the ultimate demise of the NFL as we know it and probably all professional sports.
March 15th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
If the Raiders draft a freakin CB with that 2nd Round pick….I’m gonna pissed!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-ChadReuter
March 15th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
128.HairyBush Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
118.HairyBush Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
2011 uncapped year= Raiders retaining the services of Nnamdi Asomugha, print that.
BTW I want to go on record of saying that I think the Raiders were very wise signing as many players as they did in the time they did. I think it will pay off in the upcoming season, even if it’s in a small way. I think Al is ahead of the curve on this one and see’s what’s going on before it officialy happens.
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Coach Davis is a genious. The sleeping dragon has awoken.
March 15th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
122.A.B. Paine III Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Archive Tony, you and Bauce are made for each other. You are both morons.
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Hey RMR, your back.
March 15th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
According to some online posters, the players are unworthy of receiving, as they ostensibly do now, close to 50% of the money flowing into the League.
The argument would be comical if it didn’t reflect a disrespect for labor as a valuable commodity, as well as ignorance about the many end-runs NFL Owners make around the Free market.
More than 50% NFL’s success stems from the talent of it’s players. Their skills generate the TV revenue, licensing money, ticket sales and sponsorships.
Owners buy into an elite club of 32(or inherit the membership from their parents) and then cash in on the athletes unique abilities.
If they all sold tomorrow, their places would be filled quickly, often with huge capital gains despite the glut of supply. The players, as the 1987 strike proved are irreplaceable.
-Gwen Knapp sfgate.com
Pretty solid argument, from a socialist point of view. From a capitalist point of view: the principal can hire an agent at which ever price he decides to pay. no?
March 15th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
dickv Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 8:13 am
The Raiders are doing great this offseason. Huff, Nnamdi, and Gallery all have higher market value than what they are truly worth. Nnamdi has been the highest paid defensive player, and the Raiders have gotten very little return for that investment; its time to move on.
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Wtf are you talking about, This notion that the raiders without nnamdi will cause Stanford routt to play better and Chris johnson to play well is crasy.
Yes instead of the Payton Manning’s targeting one side of the field, they can now target both=====>>ur a genius mr dicky
March 15th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
The people saying the Raiders don’t need Nnamdi make no sense.
They say he doesn’t make plays. Well that’s because they don’t throw his way…maybe twice a game! That would be like blaming a clean up hitter for not hitting home runs because he’s intentionally walked 3x per game!
When Nnamdi goes…that secondary goes straight into the can UNLESS the Raiders go AWAY from its Man2Man heavy scheme.
You are replacing an absolute dominant player with a 4th round pick from Auburn who got scorched by Chad Henne. Now McFadden might get it someday..but it won’t be in a year….this year will be his “learning” period. And you know how those go.
The Raiders still can’t stop the run either. The strategy is just “to play better”
The offense will have to carry this team and then some next year!
March 15th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
The people saying the Raiders don’t need Nnamdi make no sense.
They say he doesn’t make plays. Well that’s because they don’t throw his way…maybe twice a game! That would be like blaming a clean up hitter for not hitting home runs because he’s intentionally walked 3x per game!
When Nnamdi goes…that secondary goes straight into the can UNLESS the Raiders go AWAY from its Man2Man heavy scheme.
You are replacing an absolute dominant player with a 4th round pick from Auburn who got scorched by Chad Henne. Now McFadden could get it someday..but it won’t be in a year….this year will be his “learning” period. And you know how those go.
The Raiders still can’t stop the run either. The strategy is just “to play better”
The offense will have to carry this team and then some next year!
March 15th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
According to some online posters, the players are unworthy of receiving, as they ostensibly do now, close to 50% of the money flowing into the League.
The argument would be comical if it didn’t reflect a disrespect for labor as a valuable commodity, as well as ignorance about the many end-runs NFL Owners make around the Free market.
More than 50% NFL’s success stems from the talent of it’s players. Their skills generate the TV revenue, licensing money, ticket sales and sponsorships.
Owners buy into an elite club of 32(or inherit the membership from their parents) and then cash in on the athletes unique abilities.
If they all sold tomorrow, their places would be filled quickly, often with huge capital gains despite the glut of supply. The players, as the 1987 strike proved are irreplaceable.
-Gwen Knapp sfgate.com
March 15th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Screw the OWNERS!
It’s all about the PLAYERS eh….PLAYERZZZZZ!
March 15th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I say screw the players. Fire all of them and have a 53 round draft. Millionaires fighting with Billionaires. Meanwhile, my friends and family are losing there houses. If Peterson thinks this is modern day slavery, then fire all of them and let them find a job where there boss lets them see the books. Good luck with that one.
March 15th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
The owners take all the risk. If the business is profitable, they make money. If the business is not, they don’t.
The players, on the other hand, if they play well, they make millions of dollars. If they play bad (or not at all), the make millions of dollars. If they stick so bad that they have to get cut (JaPurple), they still make millions of dollars and the owners have to sue to try and get some of it back.
This whole thing is pissing me off. Both sides are at fault, but neither should be fighting over money. They both have more the any of us will ever see.
March 15th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Ugh! If the Raiders draft a freakin CB with that 2nd Round pick….I’m gonna pissed! Arrgghhh
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-ChadReuter
March 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
If the business owners didn’t have football teams to own, they wouldn’t be able to pay the players millions of dollars like they do. Then the football players would have to get a real job coming out of college. At least they’d be college educated and get a good payin job perhaps. So at least the millionaire owners can buy their respective teams and can afford to pay millions in entertainment payroll.
Now on the other side of the coin, these extremely talented athlete/millionaires are generating large amounts of money and revenues for their bosses, and justifiably to some degree get paid handsomeley for it.
The millions they make is an incredibal amount of money by any standard (and no I don’t buy the horse sh1t about the damage to the body, damn near every blue collar job damages the body and no ones makin millions whos blue collar) and hopefully they are grateful for that.
So to see the fans take it up the bung hole with this lockout, since we are the ones who ’support’ the industry, we are the ones who make the tv industry prosper too with our so-called need for entertainment, I say screw’em all. Except for Coach Davis. After all his life he put into the NFL, he’s getting screwed by this too.
March 15th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Al Davis MachoMachoSupremo Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
If the business owners didn’t have football teams to own, they wouldn’t be able to pay the players millions of dollars like they do. Then the football players would have to get a real job coming out of college. At least they’d be college educated and get a good payin job perhaps. So at least the millionaire owners can buy their respective teams and can afford to pay millions in entertainment payroll.
Now on the other side of the coin, these extremely talented athlete/millionaires are generating large amounts of money and revenues for their bosses, and justifiably to some degree get paid handsomeley for it.
The millions they make is an incredibal amount of money by any standard (and no I don’t buy the horse sh1t about the damage to the body, damn near every blue collar job damages the body and no ones makin millions whos blue collar) and hopefully they are grateful for that.
So to see the fans take it up the bung hole with this lockout, since we are the ones who ’support’ the industry, we are the ones who make the tv industry prosper too with our so-called need for entertainment, I say screw’em all. Except for Coach Davis. After all his life he put into the NFL, he’s getting screwed by this too.
March 15th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Whoever hates on Nnamdi…is a certifiable IDIOT with ZERO credibility!
March 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
If the owners want to claim financial hardship as the reason they feel entitled to a bigger slice of the pie, then they should open the books and prove it.
At the same time, the players need to realize that they can’t/aren’t going to get everything they want.
Both sides need to come back to the table, prepared to make some concessions. It doesn’t seem that either side was truly willing to negotiate on the issues that evidently matter the most to them.
March 15th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
The players (workers) are the product and can’t be swapped out. THerefore they have and deserve the leverage they get.
The other working people are NOT the product. They may help build it…but, they are not the product. So they can be relatively easily swapped out.
Not the same thing!
The Owners have no choice but to either pay them or shut it down. Only after an extended shutdown would the players come back.
March 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
# A.B. Paine III Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Archive Tony, you and Bauce are made for each other. You are both morons.
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Shut up, unemployed crossposting mama’s boy.
March 15th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
And the players aren’t getting any money on the side in lue of there playing career? If it wasn’t for the NFL would anyone see a Payton Manning commercial? How much money does the NFL receive from player endorsements?
On another not, what happens to the endorsements if there is an extended lock out? Why would they keep paying AP and Manning if they are seen using there products?
March 15th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Ryan,
There will be an agreement because the Owners and Players truly need each other.
Can’t outsource the QB, or hire a temp worker for the O-Line…..fans only want to see the best players.
For the rest of society…the rules of capitalism strictly apply
March 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Your post makes no sense, Ryan.
What does a lock out have to do with advertising?
Two decades after he last played in a tournament, Arnold Palmer is still pulling in endorsement bucks, big bucks.
By your analogy, owners who have other business should share those funds with their teams players? obviously that’s ridiculous.
March 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Siding with the Owners might make sense if the players had walked off the job to gain higher salaries. But it was the Owners who wanted a bigger portion of the revenues than they accepted in 2006, and demanded that players put in 2 more games despite the growing evidence about health hazards associated with the sport. They locked out the players last week over demands that, at face value surpassed the absurdity of Latrele Sprewell saying he couldn’t feed his family on a 23 million contract.
The difficult part of running a NFL team is finding the right employees, from scouts to coaches to players, to build a winner. Making a decent profit, whether you win or lose, should be comparatively easy. It requires competence, not excellence.
-Gwen Knapp sfgate.com
March 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
If the business owners didn’t have football teams to own, they wouldn’t be able to pay the players millions of dollars like they do. Then the football players would have to get a real job coming out of college. At least they’d be college educated and get a good payin job perhaps. So at least the millionaire owners can buy their respective teams and can afford to pay millions in entertainment payroll.
Now on the other side of the coin, these extremely talented athlete/millionaires are generating large amounts of money and revenues for their bosses, and justifiably to some degree get paid handsomeley for it.
The millions they make is an incredibal amount of money by any standard (and no I don’t buy the horse sh1t about the damage to the body, damn near every blue collar job damages the body and no ones makin millions whos blue collar) and hopefully they are grateful for that.
So to see the fans take it up the bung hole with this lockout, since we are the ones who ’support’ the industry, we are the ones who make the tv industry prosper too with our so-called need for entertainment, I say screw’em all. Except for Coach Davis. After all his life he put into the NFL, he’s getting screwed by this too.
March 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Your posting your comments to quickly, slow down.
Wow, thats a new one. Never seen that one before.
March 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Everything is NOT a racial conspiracy.
I think “almost” every athlete that plays pro sports is overpaid. Except the white guys of course.
March 15th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
They’ll attract NFL players if there are no games, if I’m the NFL I don’t want to see any of that. Because it emboldens the UFL. Some fans will migrate to the UFL just because of the greed they’re witnessing at the NFL level. Some will stick with College and forget the NFL period.
This thing is very ugly for noth sides, when each side is slinging mud it’s hard for the onlooker to determine who’s right. The players just wn at to have fun and make Millions while the owners just want to sit back and rake in billions.
That’s why I’ve said many times to assume an NFL owner is financially in trouble is relative. He may not have the money of other owners but to assume he’s strugggling is laughable. If they get this CBA done the wya they want it’ll insulate every owner beyond what you can possibly imagine. They’ll have a stadium and rescue fund deeper than the pacific ocean. That’s reallly what this is all about.
The revenue sharing they have set up already is beyond anything else in SAmerican business history if they get this done. Well you get the picture…
March 15th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
If I’m the players I would make sure they put much more into the retirement fund rather than salaries. Because most players throw money away while they’re playing, money they need post-career. I would forego my signing bonus make it payable at age 35. That’s when you really have some idea what to do with the money with most players at that age they’re on their way to being flat broke.
March 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
‘Sup fellas.
I honestly don’t know how any fan could side with the owners in these labor disputes.
I think it comes from resentment and some misguided notion that these guys are getting payed millions of dollars to play a game. Thankfully I don’t read it much in here, but you do hear it from time to time. “These spoiled athletes are getting payed millions of dollars to PLAY A GAME. A game I played in high school for free. For the love of the game”.
Please. That is ridiculous. These guys are elite athletes, and more important ..entertainers in the most popular sport in America.
Your sister might have been in her high school play, but she ain’t friggin Meryl Streep. You and your buddies might have played in a garage band and thought you were pretty good too. But you ain’t The Stones..and you don’t go on tour and gross 100 mil dollars.
Unlike Rock stars and actors who can still perform and earn millions into their sixties, most pro football players are old by the time their thirty. If they’re lucky.
What does Sandra Bullock make? 30 mil per movie. The average NFL career is what…3 years. These guys need to make the money while they can. Hell, their contracts aren’t even guaranteed. They can sign one of those huge deals, get cut and not see hardly any of it.
Yes, they do pay the price with their bodies. The NFL is a meat grinder. Anthony Munoz does these cheesy local commercials. I can’t help but stare at his hands. They look like they’ve been slammed in a car door about 500 times. His fingers bend at grotesque 90 degree angles. (same with Baldinger on NFLN). I don’t know how he buttons a shirt.
Those are just the superficial wounds that you can see. Not the more serious ruptured discs and shredded ligaments and knees and shoulders and elbows. Or the long term consequences of multiple concussions and lingering brain damage.
Yet, more often than not..blue collar fans side with the billionaire owners in these labor disputes. I don’t get it.
Pay the players the money they deserve.
March 15th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Yet, more often than not..blue collar fans side with the billionaire owners in these labor disputes. I don’t get it.
Pay the players the money they deserve.
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I think the unsaid, underlying notion, is that “Some People” don’t deserve that kind of money, hint, hint, hint.
March 15th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
UFL pondering possibilities for pilfering NFL players during lockout
Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2011, 4:29 PM EDT
The UFL stands to gain plenty from the NFL lockout. Already shifting the start of its season into August in the hopes of better competing for eyeballs against preseason NFL football, the UFL would step into the shoes of the league’s pro football monopoly if the lockout lingers.
And with plenty of players not being able to play NFL football, the UFL is considering the possibility of providing employment for the available players.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the UFL is considering a rule that would allow NFL players to return when the lockout ends, even if it happens during the UFL season. The UFL ultimately may permit only “a few” players to leave, since UFL rosters would be decimated by the sudden departure of a glut of NFL players.
The UFL, in our view, would need to have a much more clear standard than that. For players under contract with NFL teams, the end of a lockout would put the players under contract simultaneously with two teams. Surely, no agent would allow his client to sign a UFL contract that would potentially supersede the NFL contract after a lockout.
For players not currently under contract with any NFL team (i.e., those due to become restricted or unrestricted free agents), it would be easier for the UFL to squat on their rights.
Of course, it all may be moot, if the salary to be earned from the UFL would barely cover the disability insurance premium. There’s simply no reason for an NFL player to risk losing his ability to earn at the NFL level if he’s not earning much at the UFL level. Given the financial struggles that the UFL continues to face, we doubt that the UFL will be able to attract many — or any — NFL players with instantly recognizable names
March 15th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Kell,
There could be an underlying racial aspect, since the vast majority of NFL players are African American. Very well may be. But, I think it’s more than JUST race.
I tell you what, though. Adrian Peterson comparing modern athletes to slaves isn’t helping the cause any.
March 15th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
165.phatcable Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
i wish i was on als secret police to gaurd him ,i love that ole man and would take a bullet for him!
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I’d take a job making 4 dollars an hour, or whatever Coach felt it was worth, to change his diapers if need be….AFTER taking a bullet for him.
March 15th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
I tell you what, though. Adrian Peterson comparing modern athletes to slaves isn’t helping the cause any.
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True.
March 15th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Its all disgusting.
Coach Davis has busted his ass his entire life for the NFL and they trash the system. Bunch of ingrates.
March 15th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
I’m starting to think if Jimmy Smith were to drop we’ll jump at him. There are whispers that he might because of fear family and of his surroundings. If he does we have to take this kid he could be another steal at that position similar to Nnamdi.
March 15th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
i wish i was on als secret police to gaurd him ,i love that ole man and would take a bullet for him!
March 15th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
I think ppl generally side with ownership because they strive to be owners someday (owners of any business). Likewise they would like to see their labors and risk pay off for being successful and attaining that position. Its an American dream and to dilute that dream by way of lower compensation/reward is viewed negatively.
In addition, people only know what they know. They know how much players sign for but they don’t know how much owners make. So the relative knowledge and bias against players sets in from there. Hearing that the owners are “billionaires” doesn’t really hit home – and its even hard to conceptionalize for many. Its no hard number.
March 15th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
167.phatcable Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
i wish i was on als secret police to gaurd him ,i love that ole man and would take a bullet for him!
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Coach would appreciate that, but I’m sure he’s quite secure with his entourage of secret police and body guard. Many lawyers, doctors, body guards orbit his world. You have to be like a ex marine or navy seal or ex secret service, or just plain vicious to be on that squad. Are you any of those? I know I’m not but would love to be there for Coach.
March 15th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
i disagree as having louis murphy and darrius heyward-bey as the listed WR there I definitely think Schillens will be the #1 going into the season unless they sign a veteran and and then its a toss up between murphy and ford at the #2 spot but heyward-bey has to slip back in the depth chart
March 15th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
I like the fat joke. Thank you Corkran.
March 15th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
If the owners want to claim financial hardship as the reason they feel entitled to a bigger slice of the pie, then they should open the books and prove it.
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
March 15th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
# buckeyeraider Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
‘Sup fellas.
I honestly don’t know how any fan could side with the owners in these labor disputes.
I think it comes from resentment and some misguided notion that these guys are getting payed millions of dollars to play a game. Thankfully I don’t read it much in here, but you do hear it from time to time. “These spoiled athletes are getting payed millions of dollars to PLAY A GAME. A game I played in high school for free. For the love of the game”.
Please. That is ridiculous. These guys are elite athletes, and more important ..entertainers in the most popular sport in America.
Your sister might have been in her high school play, but she ain’t friggin Meryl Streep. You and your buddies might have played in a garage band and thought you were pretty good too. But you ain’t The Stones..and you don’t go on tour and gross 100 mil dollars.
Unlike Rock stars and actors who can still perform and earn millions into their sixties, most pro football players are old by the time their thirty. If they’re lucky.
What does Sandra Bullock make? 30 mil per movie. The average NFL career is what…3 years. These guys need to make the money while they can. Hell, their contracts aren’t even guaranteed. They can sign one of those huge deals, get cut and not see hardly any of it.
Yes, they do pay the price with their bodies. The NFL is a meat grinder. Anthony Munoz does these cheesy local commercials. I can’t help but stare at his hands. They look like they’ve been slammed in a car door about 500 times. His fingers bend at grotesque 90 degree angles. (same with Baldinger on NFLN). I don’t know how he buttons a shirt.
Those are just the superficial wounds that you can see. Not the more serious ruptured discs and shredded ligaments and knees and shoulders and elbows. Or the long term consequences of multiple concussions and lingering brain damage.
Yet, more often than not..blue collar fans side with the billionaire owners in these labor disputes. I don’t get it.
Pay the players the money they deserve.
^^^^^^^^
It just shows that fans are idiots if they side with the owners.
March 15th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
New judge assigned to players’ antitrust lawsuit vs. leagueNFL.com Wire Reports
Published: March 14, 2011 at 10:57 a.m. Updated: March 14, 2011 at 05:54 p.m.
A request by NFL players to keep the league and its teams from locking them out will be heard by a federal judge on April 6 — the first time the two sides will be in a courtroom since the labor pact fell apart.
U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson scheduled the hearing. The players filed their request last week, hours before the lockout took effect Saturday, along with an antitrust lawsuit with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake if it goes forward.
Q&A: What’s next for players, NFL?
Now that DeMaurice Smith’s NFL Players Association has decertified, NFL Network legal analyst Gabe Feldman breaks down the labor possibilities for both sides.
The case first went to Judge Richard Kyle, who recused himself for unspecified reasons. It was reassigned to Judge Patrick Schiltz, who stepped aside citing a conflict of interest because he represented the NFL in several cases as a private practice attorney.
The case will not be reassigned, a players union source told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora. Deb Bell, interim division manager in the court clerk’s office in Minneapolis, said cases are randomly assigned by computer.
The players wanted the case before U.S. District Judge David Doty, who has overseen NFL labor matters since the early 1990s and issued a number of rulings against the league.
Former U.S. Attorney for Minnesota Tom Heffelfinger said there is a way for the case to still wind up in front of Doty.
“If either the court or one of the parties designates the case as a related case to one that has been previously assigned to another judge, it could get reassigned,” Heffelfinger said.
The players want the case before Doty, who presided over the landmark settlement in 1993 that opened the doors for true free agency. Because that case has not been closed, Bell said, the possibility remains that the new case could be designated as related and therefore reassigned to Doty.
Nelson would have to consent to the case being reassigned, Bell said.
Saints quarterback Drew Brees, who is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, said the idea that the players would prefer Doty to handle the case is overblown.
“To us, that’s not an issue,” Brees said Monday. “That was something that the owners seemed to be very concerned about and focused on. For us, it’s about the facts and it’s about the law. And we believe those are on our side. We’re not concerned about that.”
The owners tried to get Doty removed for bias after his 2008 ruling against the NFL that let quarterback Michael Vick keep more than $16 million in roster bonuses from the Atlanta Falcons. Doty ruled that Vick earned his bonuses before he was convicted of dogfighting charges and sentenced to prison, and his decision was upheld on appeal.
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Most recently, Doty sided with the players in a March 2 ruling, saying the league improperly negotiated TV contracts with an eye toward building $4 billion in reserves for a lockout.
There are more than two weeks before the hearing.
“There’s no hard-set deadline for us,” said former player Kevin Mawae, who was president of the players’ union before it was dissolved on Friday to clear the way for the antitrust lawsuit. “At the end of the day, our case to decertify was to make sure our players can play football. If that means we get an injunction now or next month — as long as we have the ability to play football in the fall, that’s what we want for ourselves and our fans.”
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league had no comment.
Meanwhile, The National Labor Relations Board continues to investigate the NFL’s claim that the NFLPA did not negotiate in good faith and “surface bargained” with intent of eventually decertifying, public affairs officer Nancy Cleeland told La Canfora.
The league is contending that the NLRB has the authority to force the union back to the bargaining table despite the NFLPA’s decertification and call for an injunction.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
March 15th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Evening, Raider fans.. Nice to see smart Raider talk here, instead of.. well you know..
I totally agree with Buckeye in #159.. the owners want more skim off the top, and 18 games… and don’t seem to care about the player’s life after short, debilitating careers.
March 15th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Al Davis MachoMachoSupremo Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
New judge assigned to players’ antitrust lawsuit vs. leagueNFL.com Wire Reports
Published: March 14, 2011 at 10:57 a.m. Updated: March 14, 2011 at 05:54 p.m.
A request by NFL players to keep the league and its teams from locking them out will be heard by a federal judge on April 6 — the first time the two sides will be in a courtroom since the labor pact fell apart
………………..i think they should use one of Coach Davis”s judges!
March 16th, 2011 at 12:25 am
166.priesttj Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
I’m starting to think if Jimmy Smith were to drop we’ll jump at him. There are whispers that he might because of fear family and of his surroundings. If he does we have to take this kid he could be another steal at that position similar to Nnamdi.
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I posted about this guy a couple of weeks ago. Tall, rangy, mad cover skills and he ran in the low 4.4s at the Combine. He was projected as a mid first-rounder but as you say there are off-the-field questions about him and he could very well slip.
As much as I’d like to get a lineman with #48, if this guy is there you almost have to take him.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:46 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Nothing new from Steve???
Anyways…reading up a bit, the owners are greedy and don’t care to the player…I think 18 games is a bit too long and I think the only way that works is if there is another bye week added in there which will eventually extend the season. oh well…not sure what the issues with the players are, but let’s hope this gets settled soon because life without the NFL….??? Some scary stuff come end of Summer, start of Fall!
March 16th, 2011 at 4:47 am
Sorry…*don’t care about the player…
March 16th, 2011 at 5:18 am
This post is ridiculous. We have yet to see free agency & the draft.
How about the coaches there Stevie?! Cable is out and Hue is now HC, Marshall has been replaced, Saunders, Woodson & Wisniewski added, new OL coach… keep ‘em comin Steve!!
March 16th, 2011 at 6:06 am
NATE DOGG!! RIP!!
a raider has gone to the join Gene Upshaw and the gang…
March 16th, 2011 at 6:09 am
Good mornin’ fellas.
March 16th, 2011 at 6:15 am
16 games is half a season in my eyes.. 18 would only help, but its not near enough!
March 16th, 2011 at 6:26 am
Good morning all.
Can’t stop,just wanted to wish LMN and his Dad all the best.
Later Raiders.
March 16th, 2011 at 6:27 am
test.
March 16th, 2011 at 6:29 am
Good Morning CW, LMN…yes RIP Nate Dogg!
You would want a 32 game season?
March 16th, 2011 at 7:15 am
You California boyz buy your iodine pills yet?
March 16th, 2011 at 7:18 am
iodine pills? for radiation?
March 16th, 2011 at 7:19 am
I am sending the Lakers a box of iodine pills….the games must go on!
March 16th, 2011 at 7:22 am
Yeah, true dat!
March 16th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Isn’t it amazing, the contrast between how the people of Japan are handling this crisis versus how the people in Louisiana handled the Katrina crisis? No looting. No violence. No blame game. We could learn a thing or two from how they handle themselves in a bad situation.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:41 am
kinda funnny huh? how you gonna blame anyone for a natural disaster? But here, we find a way!
March 16th, 2011 at 8:30 am
mornings Hwnrdr..
at least in the 20’s..
March 16th, 2011 at 8:39 am
If this strike stays on all year and I miss the 2011 season. I am moving to Canada and becoming a fan of the CFL.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Morning Nation and Dakota,lol
I have not been here for a while so here is a little humor:
A burglar broke into a house one night.
He shined his flashlight around,
looking for valuables when a voice in the dark said,
‘Jesus knows you’re here.’
He nearly jumped out of his skin,
clicked his flashlight off, and froze.
When he heard nothing more,
after a bit, he shook his head and
continued.
Just as he pulled the stereo out so
he could disconnect the wires, clear as a bell he
heard ‘Jesus is watching you.’
Freaked out, he shined his light around frantically,
looking for the source of the voice.
Finally, in the corner of the room, his flashlight
beam came to rest on a parrot.
‘Did you say that?’ he hissed
at the parrot.
‘Yep’, the parrot confessed, then squawked,
‘I’m just trying to warn you that he is
watching you.’
The burglar relaxed. ‘Warn me,
huh? Who in the world are you ?’
‘Moses,’ replied the bird.
‘Moses?’ the burglar laughed.
‘What kind of people would name a bird
Moses?’
‘The kind of people that would name a
Rottweiler Jesus.’
March 16th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Nice, no wonder only 194 comments. That fricken you are posting too quickly comment has come back. Good Job Steve Cochran. 2 days and you’ve managed to mess things up.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Despite being on the right side of the labor dispute, IMO the NFLPA or trade association, whatever they are now continue to shoot themselves in the foot. They are making horrible PR gaffes. They miss the steady leadership of Gene Upshaw.
First you have Peterson’s comment. That is not going to win any sympathy from the fans. The avg guy making 40K a year does not want to hear somebody who makes 7.5 mil a year compare himself to a slave. really? Just bad PR and a poor choice of words.
But even worse, was their choice to mess with or boycott the draft. Bad idea. They seem to be backpeddaling furiously from previous statements, as well they should.
Don’t mess with the draft. NFL fans love the draft. It’s become this huge entity on it’s own. Something like 40-50 mil fans watched it last year. Unbelievable.
The avg fan is pizzed off about the labor unrest as it is. Now they want to disrupt the draft. Let these kids have their moment in the sun. Walk onstage and get their jersey and shake the commish’s hands. These guys aren’t pros yet. They are not under contract.
Bad idea. D. Smith is off to a shaky start.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Jerry’s IT support finally got their card from the “Doctor”. Went down to the local CO-OP, picked up some script bud and are hanging with their “pot smoke buddy” Kawakami..
March 16th, 2011 at 9:24 am
EXLA,
Yeah, they need to fix the site. Apparently, when Jerry went on furlough his IT support staff went with him. lol.
Comments are posted out of order…making it difficult to follow the thread.
Worse, is the posting too quickly crap. Two comments in 15 mins and it boots ya off. Craziness.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
okay i tried to post that one, about an hour ago…..
kept getting, “stop typing too fast” note
March 16th, 2011 at 9:27 am
HEY steve n Jerry, get you NTP-servers fixed!!!
March 16th, 2011 at 9:28 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
March 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
If the owners want to claim financial hardship as the reason they feel entitled to a bigger slice of the pie, then they should open the books and prove it.
^^^^^^^
Exactly! If the owners would just open their books instead of lying and hiding things, then this labor dispute would end fairly quickly.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:37 am
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/03/report_cb_jimmy_smith_removed_from_some_draft_boards.html
Jimmy Smith, CB from Colorado
6-2/210 4.42 at the combine
Rated as the third best corner in the draft. According to his scouting reports is an ideal press-coverage corner. There’s an outside chance he could be there at 48.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:43 am
203. Sounds like he’d be good with Oaklands man heavy coverage but man, he’s apparently got family and entourage like Jamarcus around him
March 16th, 2011 at 10:02 am
This is where I got confused.
“I will tell you this: Any business where two partners don’t trust each other, any business where one party says, ‘You need to do X, Y and Z because I told you,’ is a business that is not only not run well, it is a business that can never be as successful as it can be,” Smith said.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Cowherd had a point this morning….name one other business where the employees are paid 50% of the profits.
The owners are running a business.
Yes, the players are great, but in the NFL, for the most part, fans watch games to see their favorite teams play…not necessarily star players. If a team is good and has no star players, say, like KC last year, the fans will still come out to watch.
The NBA is more star driven because one guy can change the course of a team. If the NFL had to start over tomorrow and all the current players quit, the NFL would be just as popular in three years. Sure we would miss a few of the star QBs, but beyond that all that would matter is that the Raiders were playing the Broncos this Sunday.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:08 am
197.Buckeyeraider Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Despite being on the right side of the labor dispute, IMO the NFLPA or trade association, whatever they are now continue to shoot themselves in the foot. They are making horrible PR gaffes. They miss the steady leadership of Gene Upshaw.
First you have Peterson’s comment. That is not going to win any sympathy from the fans. The avg guy making 40K a year does not want to hear somebody who makes 7.5 mil a year compare himself to a slave. really? Just bad PR and a poor choice of words.
But even worse, was their choice to mess with or boycott the draft. Bad idea. They seem to be backpeddaling furiously from previous statements, as well they should.
Don’t mess with the draft. NFL fans love the draft. It’s become this huge entity on it’s own. Something like 40-50 mil fans watched it last year. Unbelievable.
The avg fan is pizzed off about the labor unrest as it is. Now they want to disrupt the draft. Let these kids have their moment in the sun. Walk onstage and get their jersey and shake the commish’s hands. These guys aren’t pros yet. They are not under contract.
Bad idea. D. Smith is off to a shaky start.
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I agree, but obviously the agents are with the NFLPA on this one, so I expect that few players will show. It is unfortunate that those young men will be robbed of their once in a lifetime chance to walk across the stage. We all know it is simply the NFLPA trying to hurt the NFL’s tv ratings….which will eventually hurt the players too, because eventually there will be a deal, and the more the NFLPA’s actions shrink the pie the less the players get.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Fullback Marcel Reece and backup defensive tackle Desmond Bryant also likely were tendered one-year contracts – this hasn’t been confirmed yet — given their production last season, potential and the relatively cheap cost of signing them as restricted free agents.
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Just confirm, baby!
March 16th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Too bad the NFL and NFLPA can’t agree on a compromise for the draft…say, take the commissioner off the stage and let an independent third party announce the picks and meet the players on stage.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Langston Walker = 2011 starter at RT?
Steve, Walker hasn’t been re-signed. He’s an unrestricted free agent.
Why would you tender Satele, re-sign Loper and basically annoint Bruce Campbell a starter without first locking up your starting RT from last season ???
because he’s not a part of our plans!
I think we’ll re-sign Barnes or tender Henderson to play RT before Langston gets another shot …
March 16th, 2011 at 10:45 am
RRS,
I agree. Walker will be back in ‘11 as a backup if at all, IMO. He was signed last year as a stop gap at best.
I’m sure RT is a spot they are looking to upgrade this year. That link somebody posted about players the Raiders are supposedly interested in mentioned Gabe Carimi of Wisconsin.
No way he’ll be there @ 48, IMO. But if he drops to say NE at 28, maybe Al can swing a deal with his ol trading partner BB and jump up and grab him.
He’s supposed to be as NFL ready as they come. Those Badger o-lineman are usually some nasty road graders, too.
Or, they could move Bruce Campbell back to his natural tackle position to compete with Mario.
I don’t see Langston Walker back as a starter next year.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:49 am
I didn’t have a problem with Walker at RT last year.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:53 am
206.Dakota Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Cowherd had a point this morning….name one other business where the employees are paid 50% of the profits.
The owners are running a business.
Yes, the players are great, but in the NFL, for the most part, fans watch games to see their favorite teams play…not necessarily star players. If a team is good and has no star players, say, like KC last year, the fans will still come out to watch.
The NBA is more star driven because one guy can change the course of a team. If the NFL had to start over tomorrow and all the current players quit, the NFL would be just as popular in three years. Sure we would miss a few of the star QBs, but beyond that all that would matter is that the Raiders were playing the Broncos this Sunday.
^^^^^^^
Colin COWARD COW-HURD….is an IDIOT!
Without the talented players, the NFL would be the UFL!
LOL!
March 16th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Remember, Langston Walker is an Al Davis draft pick…that always gives a player a fighting chance in Oakland.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Think Davis will try to re-sign Randy Moss? (No, I am not posting SHOULD DAVIS SIGN RANDY, but will he?) Remember Davis lamented trading Moss.
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=6224277
March 16th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Dont discount the fact Cornell Green stayed waaay too long at RT.
Walker could stay.
March 16th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Remember, Langston Walker is an Al Davis draft pick…that always gives a player a fighting chance in Oakland.
Dont discount the fact Cornell Green stayed waaay too long at RT.
Walker could stay.
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valid points, unfortunately!
March 16th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Man, this place is just jumpin’ today!
March 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Not valuing Nnamdi and thinking it is not important to have a a great cover corner like him because it does not make the defense great overall, then letting Nnamdi walk and then REACHING for another CB with that 2nd Round pick…..would be STUPIDITY!
So far, by letting Nnamdi go potentially, they would already be 4 deep at CB with CJ, Routt, McFadden and Ware.
They can draft another CB later in the draft…NOT in the 2nd Round.
March 16th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Guys, no question you take Robert Quinn if he falls to us right? No way he falls to us but the concern over his brain tumor could cause him to slide.
He’s had it since high school but you never know. He may slide.
I say pull the trigger no matter what if he does.
Same with Jimmy Smith. You get him Nnamdi leaving wouldn’t hurt as much
March 16th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
218. Un less its Smith. Starting to think he might be the best CB in this draft
March 16th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Speaking of Quinn at DE, do the Raiders need depth there?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
March 16th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Remember, Langston Walker is an Al Davis draft pick…that always gives a player a fighting chance in Oakland.
Dont discount the fact Cornell Green stayed waaay too long at RT.
Walker could stay.
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valid points, unfortunately!!
March 16th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Not valuing Nnamdi and thinking it is not important to have a a great cover corner like him because it does not make the defense great overall, then letting Nnamdi walk and then REACHING for another CB with that 2nd Round pick…..would be STUPIDITY!
So far, by letting Nnamdi go potentially, they would already be 4 deep at CB with CJ, Routt, McFadden and Ware.
They can draft another CB later in the draft…NOT in the 2nd Round.
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Agreed. the 5th CB can be somebody like Joe Porter or Jason Horton for all I care!
We always grab a few undrafted CB’s to compete. Anybody remember Darrick Brown? He was so impressive they nicknamed him “little Willie” in camp and we all know that a comparison to Willie Brown is a high honor. What ever happened to that guy ???
March 16th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Same with Jimmy Smith. You get him Nnamdi leaving wouldn’t hurt as much
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who?
the only Jimmy Smith I know is that WR from the Jags that was Mark Brunell’s favorite target back in the day!
He and Keenan McCardell made quite a pair…
March 16th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
I get a kick out of you guys trying to guess what Al will do with the what, 39th pick or so?
Have you searched youtube for players yet?
March 16th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
name one other business where the employees are paid 50% of the profits.
The owners are running a business.
Yes, the players are great, but in the NFL, for the most part, fans watch games to see their favorite teams play…not necessarily star players. If a team is good and has no star players, say, like KC last year, the fans will still come out to watch.
The NBA is more star driven because one guy can change the course of a team. If the NFL had to start over tomorrow and all the current players quit, the NFL would be just as popular in three years. Sure we would miss a few of the star QBs, but beyond that all that would matter is that the Raiders were playing the Broncos this Sunday.
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Agreed 100 percent, Dakota! I made this point last week and got blasted for it …
March 16th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Chicago, Boston, Miami & Orlando versus the Spurs, Lakers, Mavs & Thunder …
go EAST !!!
March 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
1 month to go until the Lakers meltdown …
if the playoffs started today the Lakers would face the Hornets and Chris Paul would make Kobe Bryant look like Shannon Brown out there!
March 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
name one other business where the employees are paid 50% of the profits.
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Name another business that’s exempt from anti-trust laws?
March 16th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
according to ProFootballWeekly, Langston Walker had 3 false starts, 1 holding penalty and 5 sacks allowed last season …
http://www.profootballweekly.com/players/langston-walker-81031/
Sure seems like a lot more than that! Maybe I’m remembering the LW from 2006?
March 16th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
230.KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
name one other business where the employees are paid 50% of the profits.
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Name another business that’s exempt from anti-trust laws?
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Public utilities and health insurance companies. Do you understand that the NLF antitrust exemptions also benefit the players?
March 16th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
***NFL***
March 16th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Same with Jimmy Smith. You get him Nnamdi leaving wouldn’t hurt as much
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who?
the only Jimmy Smith I know is that WR from the Jags that was Mark Brunell’s favorite target back in the day!
He and Keenan McCardell made quite a pair
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Like I said, he may be the best CB in this draft.
Played for Colorado, best man cover guy in College, 6-2, 205, low 4.4 40 ect
March 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
P’Woods From Flyover America:
Oakland Raiders Owner is Jewish
Oakland Raiders drafted the 1st African american QB
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Latin American Head Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st African American Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Woman Chief Executive
I don’t think the Oakland Raiders are the Team for you.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Name another business that’s exempt from anti-trust laws?
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Public utilities and health insurance companies.
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That’s a lie.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
And you spend 95% of your life taking a pi$$ on Al and then you praise him to make a stupid point.
lmao
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KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
P’Woods From Flyover America:
Oakland Raiders Owner is Jewish
Oakland Raiders drafted the 1st African american QB
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Latin American Head Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st African American Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Woman Chief Executive
I don’t think the Oakland Raiders are the Team for you.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
KK spends 95% of his life bashing AL and then drops huge praise on him just to make a totally useless point. Props old fool!
lmao
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KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
P’Woods From Flyover America:
Oakland Raiders Owner is Jewish
Oakland Raiders drafted the 1st African american QB
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Latin American Head Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st African American Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Woman Chief Executive
I don’t think the Oakland Raiders are the Team for you.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Screw the lying, greedy owners!
The NFL is about the PLAYERS eh…PLAYERZZZZ!
March 16th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
KK loves collecting information that is neither valid or veried to be a legit source.
A skull full of mush.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
235.KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Name another business that’s exempt from anti-trust laws?
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Public utilities and health insurance companies.
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That’s a lie.
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Prove it.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Dakota, see post #234 and get lost.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
I don’t know why you Repugnants don’t find a Football Team in a Red State to root for?
March 16th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Lol, typical KK, all bluster, no substance.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
If it can’t be found on Wikipedia KK is lost.
lmfao
March 16th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RRS,
Look at Satele on that link you posted. The lil rag doll weak link on the line who needs replaced according to most people on this blog. The guy who gets pushed around too much and can’t hold his own. LMAO.
According to those stats, in 31 starts with the Raiders Satele has committed 3 holding penalties and given up 3 sacks. Only one this past year.
This guy is a helluva player and instrumental in Oaklands running game. He is usually throwing key blocks on a lot of those screens and reverses that worked so well in Hue’s offense last year.
The Raiders flat out STOLE this guy from Parcells and the Dolphins. He just had a bum shoulder. I’m glad he was tendered and hope he’s back anchoring Oakland’s O-line next year.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
In the absence of a collective bargaining agreement, the draft is kind of … how shall I say this gently? … illegal. The notion that a person trying to ply his trade can be denied the opportunity to negotiate his/her services on the open market – in this case, that he is prohibited from signing with 31 of the NFL’s 32 franchises – isn’t simply un-American; it’s also a violation of federal law.
In fact, the controversy over the upcoming draft would likely be moot if not for a stipulation in the recently expired CBA that this year’s draft would proceed as scheduled. Otherwise, the players would have had an excellent chance of convincing a judge to disallow it. And if there’s still no CBA a year from April, even if the players are successful in blocking the lockout and the owners merely impose rules while the two sides wage their fight over the antitrust lawsuit, you can forget about a draft happening in 2012.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
243. Satele’s still got to prove himself. Sjowed some signs of life finally but verdicts still out.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Lol,
So the players want freedom to sign with any team coming out of college? Talk about cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face. Such action would result in the decline of every major sports league with players flocking to major market cities while other teams end up folding and the leagues become diminished, thereby losing revenue. Smaller pie = less money for everyone.
Good luck with that.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
CEO Pay versus Worker Pay ratios by Country:
Germany 10-1
France 15-1
Britain 25-1
Japan 5-1
United States 475-1
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/11/08/the-republicans-achilles-heel-the-economy/pay-ratio-ceo-to-average-worker-by-country/
March 16th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
How the Al Davis Era will end
0For years, the NFL laughed and pointed at the Oakland Raiders. The league kicked them when they were down, as they suffered through a futile seven year period in which no team was scared to play them and their opponents virtually won a game before it was even played. Prior to that futility, the “Team of the Decades” had a long tradition of winning in the AFL as well as the NFL, in large part due to the knowledge and tutelage of head coach turned managing general partner, Al Davis. For years, they dominated their division, winning 13 AFC West titles, and currently hold a record of 94-66-1 against their division rivals since 1970. The Raiders have pitched eighteen shutout victories since their inception in 1960 — half of those against divisional opponents.
But for seven years, TV analysts mocked and ridiculed the Raiders, saying that Al Davis had lost it, that the Raiders were done as long as he was in charge. Countless times former Raider defensive tackle, Warren Sapp, has said things that nobody who has ever played for the Raiders should say about them. Eventually, it started eating away at the fans, some of whom went so far as to raise money for a billboard telling Al Davis to hire a general manager.
Now, a changing of the tide stands to amend some of that ridicule. It appears that for the first time since the early 2000’s the Raiders may be headed in the right direction. Some will say it’s because of that pigeon, but I agree with Hue Jackson: Al Davis is a football genius.
I’m guilty on some levels of accusing Al of losing it, but honestly, I never thought he needed a general manager. I mostly just thought he was becoming disgruntled in his old age and therefore couldn’t get along with his head coaches. That was causing problems with the continuity and chemistry of the team.
The dealings of the most recent head coach have changed my mind, however, and now it seems not to have been so much Al Davis, but rather just a bad coaching fit. That issue appears to be resolved now with the hiring of Hue Jackson. I’m not calling Jackson a savior, for it was actually Tom Cable that made these players believe in themselves and each other as well as the great history of the franchise. But Hue is a good fit and a great coach.
Soon, more and more people will be talking about how great the Raiders of the two-thousand-and-teens are and it is feasible that Al Davis could win his fourth Super Bowl before he walks away from the game he loves. As a Raider fan turned blogger turned historian and current affairs deliverer, I wouldn’t want to see it happen any other way.
At this point, I almost don’t think it even matters who the Raiders get in the draft this year. This is a team that is equipped to win now. Let the NFLPA hold out for as long as possible so that this can be an uncapped year like it was in 2010 and Nnamdi Asomugha can have his $16 million and wear Silver and Black for yet another year.
Funny that it was Raiders’ great Hall-of-Famer Gene Upshaw – former leader of the NFLPA – who said that if there was ever an uncapped year played in the NFL that a new CBA would never be agreed to again. Let him be right. The Raiders will become the New York Yankees of the NFL. See how fast a new stadium goes up if that happens.
For the sake of all that is good in life, I hope that they don’t reach an agreement and it plays under the same rules as 2010. Perhaps the Oakland Raiders make the playoffs, go on to win the Super Bowl, Gene Upshaw has the last laugh, and Al Davis rides off on his high horse into the sunset saying that the NFL will miss him when he is gone and being totally right about it. I mean, honestly, how else can this story end but that way?
March 16th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Jerry fix this P.O.S out of order libtard blog.
thanks in advance jack wagon
March 16th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
“The elephant is the perfect symbol for Republik@ns: they never forget, lead
each other around by the tail, and think everyone should work for peanuts.”
March 16th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Country Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Hong Kong 41:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
United States 475:1
http://www.cab.latech.edu/~mkroll/510_papers/fall_05/group6.pdf
March 16th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Country Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
Hong Kong 41:1
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Really????….what is the Capital of Hong Kong?
March 16th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
The niners have a private workout with Colin Kaepernick on friday… If they draft this kid im gonna be pissed
March 16th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
256.PurpleDrank81 Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
The niners have a private workout with Colin Kaepernick on friday… If they draft this kid im gonna be pissed
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I don’t think the players should deign to have workouts for these evil corporate monopolies/slave masters that are known as NFL teams!
Why isn’t the NFLPA stepping in to stop this madness?
March 16th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
254.KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Country Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Hong Kong 41:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
United States 475:1
http://www.cab.latech.edu/~mkroll/510_papers/fall_05/group6.pdf
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Coach Davis ratio (Amy Trask) 1:50
March 16th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
254.KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Country Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Hong Kong 41:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
United States 475:1
http://www.cab.latech.edu/~mkroll/510_papers/fall_05/group6.pdf
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Coach Davis ratio (Amy Trask) 1:50
March 16th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
250.KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
CEO Pay versus Worker Pay ratios by Country:
Germany 10-1
France 15-1
Britain 25-1
Japan 5-1
United States 475-1
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/11/08/the-republicans-achilles-heel-the-economy/pay-ratio-ceo-to-average-worker-by-country/
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And your point is??? Whats that to do with Coach and Raider football?
March 16th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
the niners want cam newton but not the risk, so they’ll draft a defensive player then pick up kaepernick in th 2nd rnd. smart thinking.
March 16th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
P’Woods From Flyover America:
Oakland Raiders Owner is Jewish
Oakland Raiders drafted the 1st African american QB
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Latin American Head Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st African American Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Woman Chief Executive
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More proof Coach Davis is a leader, innovator, maverik, and ahead of the curve of all these other so-called owner wanna be’s.
March 16th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Compared to the pay rate of an average CEO, the average
full-time worker would have to
work in the upwards of 385 years to make what a CEO receives in one year. During the
1980s the pay gap between CEO and ordinary factory workers grew from 42 times to
almost 85 times (Byrne 1991). In 2004 CEOs in the United States made over 475 times as
much as the average worker. Compared to the pay ratio between US CEOs and US
average workers, other countries ratios between the two are significantly lower
March 16th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
does the NTP-server work now?
March 16th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
That’s because of the advancement of technology the CEO’s are very young and inexperienced and never had the chance to work their way to the top. They woke up one day and were multi-millionaires. The didn’t know how or why to make adjustments. They thought that the business was a manifestation or extension of themselves and therefore the workers are faceless and totally detatched from them . They don’t know their families or the struggles they face they live in board rooms. They have a small circle of enfluence and aren’t very personable. In large part they are geeks and socio-paths.
When you’ve earned something the appreciation for what it takes to make it at several levels is more easily understood. It’s not all about the bottom line, you see workers as human-beings instead of tools to used for a particular purpose. The Neo-riche are a very strange bunch this is histories first look at them as a group. There is no instruction book for them or history to learn from and so we all suffer along as a result of it.
March 16th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
P’Woods From Flyover America:
Oakland Raiders Owner is Jewish
Oakland Raiders drafted the 1st African american QB
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Latin American Head Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st African American Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Woman Chief Executive
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More proof Coach Davis is a leader, innovator, maverik, and ahead of the curve of all these other so-called owner wanna be’s.
March 16th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
What we can deduce from the above is that koolkell not only spends his whole useless day on this blog, but in fact he seems to spend every moment not on here trolling other sites.
I’ll assume you are an invalid, koolkell.
Why on earth would anyone sit on his ass, all day, all night, on blogs, who wasn’t?
March 16th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
nopes, apparently not…. get those time-servers up’n'running
March 16th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Compared with other countries in the world the gap between CEO pay rates and the minimum wage in the U.S. is obviously the largest. We have allowed more wealth inequity than any other nation. A question that has remain unanswered or unnseen is, will the U.S. pay trends among CEOs versus production workers soon be the global trend?
http://www.cab.latech.edu/~mkroll/510_papers/fall_05/group6.pdf
March 16th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Repubs and pocketed Dems rolled back 40 yrs worth of Democratic safeguards when Americans thought they were voting down an attack on our First Amendment rights to guns.
Once they got hold the House and Senate it was all over. Then they stole the Pres and we got steam rolled
March 16th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Arreglen esta chingadera!!!
Ya me cansé de estar leyendo lo mismo 3 veces!!
(Fix this fückkking thing!!
I´m tired of read 3 times the same!!)
March 16th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
475 to 1?
And they hoovered up 80% of the wage increases in the last 30 years thanks to Reagan and the two Bushes.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
There are four key issues at work that have driven down the wages of the middle class:
1. Foreign competition. They caught up and have biz environments abd infrastructure that are stable and there is a rule of law. Therefore, the labor force in those countries opened up. Because the cost of living is so much lower and they are at a lower base, their wages are much cheaper. Manufacturers followed
2. Productivity. Quite simply…you need fewer people to run a factory these days. Another way…more people competing for fewer jobs = lower wages
3. Illegal immigratino: More labor competing for same number of jobs in construction, hospitality, food, maintenance etc..brings doown wages.
4. Internet: Allows information to be transferred globally in real time. An educated Indian is cheaper than an educated American. So professional work is outsourced too….again, bringing down wages
March 16th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
As for CEO pay.
Boss is always going to make more money than the worker. That’s a lost argument.
The way the world works is pretty much this:
“You get what someone is willing to pay you.”
The NFL labor situation is exactly all about this. The players think they deserve x and the owners think its y….
No CEO pays him/her self. They are paid by the Board of Directors who are nominated by the shareholders. The Board may neglect its responsibility, but that’s another matter.
Like voting for political office, most Americans don’t exercise their rights to vote therefore leaving the decision to a small group.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
That explanation of laissez fair capitalism only explains why the American Middle class is losing it’s place in America, and why America is losing it’s place in the world, thanks.
Not so in other richer per capita countries where the CEO’s don’t quite dominate the countries wealth as much.
March 16th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Draftniks-are-head-over-heels-for-Blaine-Gabbert?urn=ncaaf-wp67
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Great article on Yahoo provided by PFT. I’ve been asking the same question myself. I’m the 1st guy to say that stats aren’t everything, but he’s a real outlier when it comes to the top QBs drafted the last few years. How the hell did this guy get away with not throwing at the combine?? I’ll be very interested in his pro day tomorrow. Not saying he won’t be good because you never know, and it has everything to do with who drafts him and the coaching/ supporting cast he’s surrounded by. I just don’t get where all this “top QB in the draft” stuff comes from. Alex, you’re the stat guy. Thoughts?
March 16th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
If management doesn’t like union demands…they don’t have to sign the contract. They can lockout or, in extreme cases, move operations. That is fully within their right.
If labor doesn’t like mgt demands…they don’t have to sign the contract. They can strike or, in exteme cases, quit.
THat’s the way of the world. Its not a conspiracy. Unions and management are fighting for their best interests.
No one is forced to sign anything.
March 16th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
That explanation of laissez fair capitalism only explains why the American Middle class is losing it’s place in America, and why America is losing it’s place in the world, thanks.
Not so in other richer per capita countries in Europe where the CEO’s don’t quite dominate the countries wealth as much.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
KoolKell,
A lot of that compensation in the U.S is based on stock incentives. A lot of exec pay is awarded in stock options etc.
Also, the US is probably the most capitalistic country in the world. Europe and Asia are more socialistic, so pay differences there would probably be frowned upon. In the USA, we celebrate/idolize individualism to the point that success is largely measured by how much money one makes.
At the end of it all…if a competent CEO can be hired on the cheap…why wouldn’t a company hire one?
And if that “cheap” CEO does well, someone will offer him/her bigger money.
Also, people in Europe/Asia value family and community more. They rarely move as often as we do. Americans are used to moving around changing cities, states and even regions to get a better job.
In other parts of the world, people tend not to want to relocate…even for higher pay.
So, I think its culture and risk taking that drives most of it
March 16th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
# Al Davis MachoMachoSupremo Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
27.djohnnyg Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It’s hard to put together consecutive winning seasons, no less a Super Bowl when there is an obvious and easily documented 40 year league wide conspiracy working against you which includes game referees as co-conspirators.
The Raiders winning ANY SB is likened to a tree growing out of a rock on the side of the mountain. It was only through sheer determination and an unquenchable persistence despite all obstacles that they managed to win three 3 of them and play in 5.
Sometimes it takes a little bit to recover from the constant barrage of a well formulated, long term, united attack against you from forces seen and unseen.
Coach has endured despite it all, and once again has his forces poised for another offensive in 2011-2012.
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Well thought out. Well said. Imagine the constant conspiracy from the NFL to try and squash you, game after game, year after year, and still survive. This year Coach Davis is comin at’em. No more mr. nice guy. the gloves are off. Coach is a survivor. Coach is battle tested and poised for Victory.
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These two comments are easily the most self-deluded drivel I’ve ever read on this blog. Surpasses even Father Pride & Poise, Al Davis Apologist Extraordinaire. You fools need a wrench to get your heads out?
March 16th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
# Al Davis MachoMachoSupremo Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
P’Woods From Flyover America:
Oakland Raiders Owner is Jewish
Oakland Raiders drafted the 1st African american QB
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Latin American Head Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st African American Coach
Oakland Raiders Hired the 1st Woman Chief Executive
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More proof Coach Davis is a leader, innovator, maverik, and ahead of the curve of all these other so-called owner wanna be’s.
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And coach has the record over the past eight years to prove it, by golly.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
I get it. The voice of the “nuevo” Raider fan where you actually hate everything about the organization and cloak it in “concern” for your favorite team cuz you just care so much about your Raiders that you hate to see the franchise run into the ground by that jewish bloodsucker Al Davis.
I get it.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
The Ancients knew of an “entity” who would one day save their civilization but few dared to speak that name above a whisper.
He would arrive in a “Golden Chariot” from the East (Brooklyn) and stake his claim in the West (Oakland).
The person of whom few dared speak would be shod with “White Linen” (which can obviously be likened to Coach’s white jumpsuit). This one would carry three “Golden Scepters” (Lombardi trophies)and yea a FOURTH scepter has yet to be given this great one, but the Ancients rightly prophesied the ‘Great One’ would be handed this fourth “Scepter” in the prophetic year of 2012.
And so shall it be.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Yes, cultural differences, big-time. I thought Honk Kong was the most capitalistic, income disparate country in the world. But even in that society they only pay their CEO’s at a 46:1 rate.
Get over it, right? the Top 1% control 90% of this country’s wealth and pay Zero taxes. Kool.
No, it’s only that way because the Corporations who write the laws, say so.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
people want too send money too help in japan !!!helloooo pearl harbor.how much did they send after they leveled the place?
March 16th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Amys’ CEO rate I would guess 1:50 hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm????
Goes to show you not all CEO people pee on the employess.
Go Coach Davis
Go RRRRRRaaaaaaaiiiiiddddeeeeerrrrrrrrsss!!!!!!!!!!
March 16th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
To these bozos, the UNREGULATED free market is fine when determining salary for CEOs, even if their companies fail. They get paid, get off scot free, and their companies get bailed out.
But heaven forbid that the free market might decide to pay young “urban” men seven figured for a few years. Thats overboard. The owners need an anti-trust exemption to keep the players in their place. Screw the owners.
Then again, any system that pays JON FKIN CONDO to pay football is broke beyond repair.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
# SnB Production Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
There are four key issues at work that have driven down the wages of the middle class:
1. Foreign competition. They caught up and have biz environments abd infrastructure that are stable and there is a rule of law. Therefore, the labor force in those countries opened up. Because the cost of living is so much lower and they are at a lower base, their wages are much cheaper. Manufacturers followed
2. Productivity. Quite simply…you need fewer people to run a factory these days. Another way…more people competing for fewer jobs = lower wages
3. Illegal immigratino: More labor competing for same number of jobs in construction, hospitality, food, maintenance etc..brings doown wages.
4. Internet: Allows information to be transferred globally in real time. An educated Indian is cheaper than an educated American. So professional work is outsourced too….again, bringing down wages
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Yep. Sad isn’t it what America has turned into? What a mess.
Hence why the wifey and I will be seriously looking to move to Vancouver B.C in Canada in about 8-10 years if things are still screwed up in this country.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
March 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
It’s hard to put together consecutive winning seasons, no less a Super Bowl when there is an obvious and easily documented 40 year league wide conspiracy working against you which includes game referees as co-conspirators.
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I agree actually. The refs have been obviously against the Raiders for quite sometime.
The proof is in the pudding. Look at the top 10 most controversial calls in NFL history. The Raiders are in the top 10 multiple times!
March 16th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
are these guys serious? i read on footballphds.com that nate dogg’s cousin played flag football and thought that if his cousin had jose canseco on his team they’d be undefeated? seriously? like the dude plays baseball! rip anyway nate dogg! too much sticky icky!
March 16th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
293: no, al davis is too stuck in his ways. because he invented the bump and run, he won’t give up on it. and that’s fine. except the nfl is about COACHING and the player are less important. davis is stuck with the idea that coaches are expendable though. that’s the main problem.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
phatcable Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
people want too send money too help in japan !!!helloooo pearl harbor.how much did they send after they leveled the place?
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Actually, we did a lot more leveling in reply…
March 16th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
I’m sorry but I had to step in here and clear something up. Al Davis did not invent the bump and run if anyone it was Willie Brown, Willie’s ability to bump and run is why Al Davis brought him here.
This ignorant notion that he thinks coaches are expendable or less important than someone else is pure theory. IMO he feels just the opposite which is why he demands so much from them. Also why he is so impatient with them. He’s in search of the guy he feels confident in as the one to get the job done. I do however agree that he is way tooo impatient. It can be thought of either way IMO, it’s just more popular to believe he undervalues them.
The pther thing is that this is without question a players league I have yet to see a great coach win without great players no matter who you’re talking about they need players……………period
In highschool you may get away with that but not at the college level and definitely not the pros…………period
March 16th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
LOL. The Oahhole Warriors continue to underwhelm…
March 16th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Coach Davis is the last of his kind and the league will be worse without him. He has not been able to be pro active at the CBA and look what happened. Went right into the toilet. And thats just the tip of the iceberg.
And Coach would have a lot more Lombardis if the league had not conspired so collectively over the last 40 years to prevent him from obtaining said Lombardis.
People just hate on Coach because their haters. Sure its painful the misfortune of the past few years but thats in the past. Coach has found than inner drive once again and will bring the Raiders back. And with a vengence. A mean and nasty vengence at that. Been sayin this for months now. Raiders are ready to roll. Bank it!
March 16th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
JJ Watt at Lde, Houston at Rde
Seymour at the 3 tech
Kelly at the 0 nose guard spot
Hendo the 0 back- up
Shonasty bi either de spot
Wimbley comes up on passing downs, or when he feels like it!
Scott is trade bait for more picks. Or trade him for a real MLB to back up RoPain
Now, what to do with that wolb . Groves can do the job
, but it can be done slot better. So whatta we do.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
HAHAHAHAHA
Da Oakhole W’s come from ahead to lose again! Pa-thet-ick. Meanwhile, the Lakers 3-peat bus rolls on…
March 16th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Bo excuse me man but the Lakers talent wise are head and shoulders the best team in the NBA. The Warriors are playing with 2 G’s and 2F’s and a rookie. That IMO is 4 vs 9 against a lot of teams. Louis Admundsen and Beans aint worth beans.
It’s easy to laugh when you’re on top, give us Gasol and Odom and then let me see you laugh.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
It’s easy to laugh when you’re on top
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Yeeah I bet you were lovin the Joe Barry Carroll dynasty.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
HD
I’ve beeeen to Hong Kong many times while I was in the Navy. True HK was repatriated with the mainland. But it ’s still Capitalist, where Mainland China is not.
Now, talk about what you know,………..Al Davis’ favorite diapers.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
HD
I’ve beeeen to Hong Kong many times while I was in the Navy. True HK was repatriated with the mainland. But it ’s still Capitalist, where Mainland China is not.
Now, talk about what you know,………..Al Davis’ favorite brand of diapers
March 16th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
284.KoolKell Says:
March 16th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Yes, cultural differences, big-time. I thought Honk Kong was the most capitalistic, income disparate country in the world. But even in that society they only pay their CEO’s at a 46:1 rate.
Get over it, right? the Top 1% control 90% of this country’s wealth and pay Zero taxes. Kool.
No, it’s only that way because the Corporations who write the laws, say so.
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If that be so, do 99% control 10% if this countries wealth?
I only care that Coach Davis gets another ring.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
KK — When trying to lecture on a subject, you should know the subject well enough. Just how big is that country known as Hong Kong?
March 16th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
There’s an awful lot of crying in here about the League conspiring against the Raiders…???
How about this…
The Raiders could always come out and kick a$$ and not worry about taking names…or about the supposed conspiracies and conspirators.
Tuck rule?? An obvious fokk job. But, OLD NEWS.
Immaculate Reception?? Not so obvious, but questionable. And, OLD NEWS.
Who knows how many bad calls went against us?? Who really cares in 2011?
Here’s an idea…fokk all that conspiracy sh!t, and win your own games.
This is the Raiders. They’ve been down at times — even a lot of time lately — but they’re not out.
Here’s an idea: Quit the fokking crying and win a fokking game at crunch time…nobody’s gonna give ‘em to us.
March 16th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
How do the Owners squash the greatest sport we have? Lock ‘em out. The Players, that is.
How do Media News Group (MNG) and Inside Bay Area (IBA) squash the most popular sports blog in the Bay Area? Lock ‘em out. The Blog Posters, that is.
Brilliant!!
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