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Groves stays true to his school

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, March 30th, 2011 at 4:26 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Raiders linebacker Quentin Groves put up an impassioned defense for his alma mater Wednesday in the wake of an HBO “Real Sports” segment alleging payment to players at Auburn.

Groves described the four players who said they received money from boosters as “medicore at best” and said their comments were simply made out of bitterness and poor decisions made while in college regarding their academic and athletic well-being.

A few of Groves comments on WJOX 94.5-AM in Birmingham, Ala.:

“The only thing I heard guys receiving was a great education, a great experience and great memories.”

“Why would they pay (those) guys when they had Carnell Williams, Ronnie Brown, Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell?”

“You had Ronnie Brown who was arguably one of the best players in his senior year, driving around a (early 1990s) Honda Accord with the back window busted out.”

Groves said he and many other Auburn players were asked to participate, but the only players who responded _ Chaz Williams, Stanley McClover, Troy Reddick and Raven Gray, were marginal players.

He said he was actually close to McClover, and even called him after seeing the accusations. He said McClover told him HBO “helped with my camp.”

“Everything will be out in the open tonight and if that’s what he did, I have no words for him because the simple fact is, if you’re going to turn your back on the schull that made you over something as little as this, then there’s no telling what you’ll do to me.”

Groves scheduled a Ustream video to discuss the allegations this evening.

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  • JB

    I see the servers are screwed up time wise. I just posted at 10:55 and it says 9:55PM. Jerry,. get your techs out of bed and have them check ALL the servers. There is one or two with incorrect clocks.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Hopefully RoMac is quicker in his reads next year, so that he attacks the OG’s before they attack him. He got locked up a lot last year.

  • DKnight007

    # noteasilyimpressed Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Off topic but here’s news about our beloved Silver & Black: Raiders | Scheduled to work out Chris Hairston

    Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:48:20 -0700

    The Oakland Raiders are scheduled to conduct a private workout with Clemson OT Chris Hairston before the 2011 NFL Draft, a source told Aaron Wilson, of NationalFootballPost.com.

    Comment (0) | Share: | Source: NationalFootballPost.com – Aaron Wilson

    Here’s a bio on Hairston:

    http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/hairston_chris01.html

    ^^^^^^^
    Hmm…Hairston would be a good 3rd or 4th Rounder.

    He would probably be able to start at RT right away as well!

  • 310 Raider-scum

    Cable’s lone confidant Jim Mora jr tried to ambush Routt, saying we are always cheating as corners, and Billick says receviers don’t cheat. Laughable push off, laugh again receivers dont create contact?

  • http://www.safc.com/page/StadiumofLightDetail/0,,10281~1706060,00.html neilb

    “The silver and black have attracted an unholy fan base of hell-raiders, gangbangers and inveterate knife-lickers, all of whom firmly believe that skipping town for an away game is well worth the parole violation.”

    —GQ Magazine in naming the Raiders the fourth-worst fan base in the country.

    ——————————————————-

    Always makes me laugh when I read crap like this.

  • Harder2000

    The more i watch and read about Marcus Cannon, the more i like him to wear the Raider jersey come draftday.. He could be the kind of mauler that would open up giant holes for D-Mac and Bush to blast through, and he has that mean streak and punishing style that would be well coveted by HJ and Wiz sr..
    He could have the same troubles at RT as L Walker did due to his size and lack of athleticism (it is great for his size, but not overly great for NFL tackles), but if he were stationed at G (most likely LG), he could be a beast out the gate!
    Veldheer and Cannon would be a good team on the leftside, and would definately create some runninglanes for the Backs! If B Campbell wins the RG spot, which he probably will, it would be two HUGE guards with great strength! This could help the Center (being it Satele or a late rd draftpick to develope) anchor better against large NT’s..
    If Joseph Barksdale should drop into the 4th rd, which a lot of experts predicts, he could be a valuable pick to the RT spot as well.. Moffit, Fusco, Lil Zane and especially Kirkpatrick could be great late round editions to the interior line as well..

    Havent seen much of the 4-3 OLB group, is there any potential out the gate starters in the middle to later rounds?

  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning Nation!!!
    Neil…good afternoon to ya! Yeah, I always laugh at that sh*t too because it is always started by someone who have NEVER been to a Raider Game!
    Happy April Fools Day Nation!!!

  • Buckeyeraider

    G’morning Hwnrdr, AM crew,
    ‘Sup fellas. Happy April Fool’s Day!

    …Speaking of, that was a pretty good one NFLN pulled on MerroidMan last year. That was funny.

    I thought Routt handled himself well on NFLN last night. Just wished he woulda slapped that Howdy Doody-looking Mora Jr.

    Routt has that annoying habit of injecting “you know” into every sentence, though. Must have said it 100 times in 5 min interview.

    Probably just nervous reaction to having bright lights, cameras and microphones in your face. You know.

  • hwnrdr

    Could it be? That the site is fixed?
    Good Morning Buckeye! F Jim Mora Jr…was his dad even successful at any point besides being known for “Playoffs! Playoffs?”

  • HairyBush

    On NFL total access last night Routt held his own for the most part, But there were definate parts where he was struggling. Not bad, just not Nnamdi. (both on and off the field.

  • Buckeyeraider

    Hwnrdr,

    I’ve got no problem with his old man. Those “Playoffs, Playoffs?” clips are classic. He was actually a solid coach who helped turn two of the most downtrodden franchises in league history into winners. The Saints and Colts. Sounds kinda funny now, doesn’t it? Prior to Peyton (and Mora) the Colts were a laughingstock.

    I don’t care too much for Jr, though. There seems to be some bad blood between him and the Raiders. Besides the firing of his buddy Cable. Al called him a “chickensh*t” a few years back. Mora Jr. couldn’t help but take some not-so-subtle jabs at the Raiders on NFLN.

    He’s one of those guys that seems to have a constant smirk on his face. He also has a bit of that young Lance “used car/snakeoil salesman” aura about him.

  • hwnrdr

    Ok…you’re right though. Mora Jr does remind me of an older “Lance”
    Mora Sr at least was a good coach. Just wasn’t too sure if he was responsible for turning those 2 franchises around.

  • Nnamdi21

    86.KoolKell Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed:

    Welfate State South Dakota receives $1.59 for every $1.00 they pay in taxes.

    =================

    Facts, reason and logic are lost on Repubs. They know what they know and only accept things that enforce their often ugly, spiteful and incorrect beLIEfs.

    DC no longer represnts anyone with under a $100 mill. Time to kick the door in and watch the whole rotten structure fall…

  • Nnamdi21

    Blog fixed? NOPE. Pretty sure its ONE tiny setting. Can’t remember the guys name who fixes this thing but I hope he gets his azz fired with a quickness. Go In, click the tab and FIX IT.

  • http://straightcashhomey.net/post/20310438/eddie-jones-los-angeles-lakers-you-probably Dakota

    86.KoolKell Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed:

    Welfate State South Dakota receives $1.59 for every $1.00 they pay in taxes.
    __________

    Says the guy who lives off his wife’s income. lol

  • hwnrdr

    Hey Dakota…can you smack down last night?

  • http://straightcashhomey.net/post/20310438/eddie-jones-los-angeles-lakers-you-probably Dakota

    Hwnrdr,

    Yeah, good stuff last night….Lakers made them look like fools.

  • http://straightcashhomey.net/post/20310438/eddie-jones-los-angeles-lakers-you-probably Dakota

    test

  • http://straightcashhomey.net/post/20310438/eddie-jones-los-angeles-lakers-you-probably Dakota

    Hey is this place finally fixed?

  • hwnrdr

    Looks like it…

  • Just Fire Baby

    Are we fixed?????

  • Just Fire Baby

    That posting too quickly message really fries me!!!!!!

  • Nnamdi21

    I f the strike eliminates pre season and camps it’ll hurt the Raiders young squad trying to get new HC Jackson up to speed.

  • Nnamdi21

    122. WORD!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Being that the Raiders coaching staff typically brings a knife to a gunfight every Sunday, and that the defense never really changes, you can make the arguement that the shortened camps and OTA’s will help the Raiders, or negatively impact them less, than our opponents.

  • RaiderRockstar

    As far as WR, I’d rather see them bring in an established vet like Santana Moss or even Plaxico than draft another rookie. If and when there is free agency.

    ***

    Agreed with Buckeye #61

    DHB, Murphy, Ford & Nmiller are still learning their craft and who is the man responsible for their progress & development? Sanjay Lal

    We definately need a veteran presence at WR that isn’t hurt every year like Chaz Schilens!

  • RaiderRockstar

    That’s why there’s two sides of the ball offense and defense. The offense is supposed to do it’s part as well as the defense. That’s how you win championships. I thought the run defense at times was very good last year. It just needs to be consistent………..period

    ***

    I don’t normally agree with anything written (or typed) by Priest TJ, but he was right on the money with the above statement

  • RaiderDebo

    Myth and reality with Cam Newton
    April, 1, 2011 Apr 111:20AM ETEmail Print Comments131 By Kevin SeifertI’ve watched as the Cam Newton conversation has escalated, and most would say, devolved into personal attacks and accusations of racism. There’s no doubt that any team deciding whether to draft the Auburn quarterback, including the Minnesota Vikings, has watched it unfold as well.

    Character is subject to opinion, and it’s fair to question the motives of someone making a harsh judgment. But ultimately, the entire conversation is relevant to the extent that it impacts Newton’s performance on the field. So let’s go there. What objective measures can we take of Newton’s character and intangible abilities to be a quarterback?

    [+] EnlargeNelson Chenault/US Presswire
    No one can deny that Cam Newton was a winner in college, as he led his teams to championships in both 2009 and 2010.First, we have to remember that Newton was the quarterback on two different teams that won national championships. In 2009, he took Blinn (Texas) College to the NJCAA National Football Championship. Last year, he led Auburn to the BCS Championship.

    It’s possible that his personality has rubbed some people the wrong way, but to me championships are the best tangible evidence of leadership we can find. You could argue that Newton’s raw athletic ability simply overpowered opponents, but to me there is too much that goes into a college season to credit one supremely talented player for a title. Maybe in high school, and possibly junior college, but not at the level of the SEC.

    I wasn’t inside Auburn’s locker room last season, or Blinn’s the year before, but you would have to stack up a lot of hard evidence for me to convince me that Newton isn’t a leader of some measure. If any specific examples have been cited, I’ve missed them.

    Second, as you know, we here at ESPN.com get the enormous benefit of statistics that help us pull back the curtain on a player’s performance. Everything must be taken with context, of course, but our friends at ESPN Stats & Information have circulated some information that reflects a higher level of so-called “football intelligence” than some of Newton’s detractors might suggest.

    For starters, Newton completed 73.5 percent of his passes last season against the blitz in conference games. He threw five touchdowns and did not throw an interception. For context, consider that Missouri’s Blaine Gabbert, the other top quarterback in this draft, completed 44.8 percent of his passes in the same situation.

    There are plenty of possible explanations for why Newton threw so efficiently against the blitz. His offensive line could have blocked exceptionally. His scheme might have lent itself to friendly dump-off passes. But it could also be a hint — gasp! — of football intelligence — an ability to process a defensive alignment quickly and make a positive play based on a combination of instincts and knowledge of scheme.

    This much is clear: Generally speaking, the best quarterbacks in the NFL are usually the best at handling the blitz. In 2010, for example, here were the top seven NFL quarterbacks against the blitz based on passer rating:

    Tom Brady

    Tony Romo

    Aaron Rodgers

    Matt Cassel

    Josh Freeman

    Ben Roethlisberger

    Matt Ryan

    Here’s another measure we can consider: Pocket passing. Someone (like me) who doesn’t watch a ton of college football might have an impression of Newton as a freelancing athlete who prefers to run if given an opportunity. Similar quarterbacks rarely succeed in the NFL because of the complex passing decisions they’ll ultimately have to make in a pro system.

    Year Of The Quarterback
    ESPN has dedicated 2011 to examining one of the most crucial positions in all of sports — the quarterback.
    Year of the QB »
    So for what it’s worth, Newton also outperformed Gabbert when it came to making traditional throws from the pocket. In conference games last season, Newton completed 67.6 percent of his pocket throws for 14 touchdowns and three interceptions. Gabbert completed 61.1 percent, with nine touchdowns and four interceptions.

    I realize Newton and Gabbert played in much difference schemes last season, making the comparison something less than apples and apples. But I still think it’s instructive to compare Newton’s pocket performance against the quarterback who seems to be considered the more “polished” player.

    I have no idea what type of personality Newton has, whether he was well-liked by his teammates or if they simply tolerated him. And I also acknowledge that character, leadership qualities and football intelligence are critical to the success of an NFL quarterback.

    But here we have a quarterback who has won consecutive national championships, who handled blitzes well against some of the fastest defenses in the country last season and was a better pocket passer than the presumptive top quarterback in the draft. Shouldn’t we at least give that kind of resume the benefit of the doubt? It’s not necessarily racist to question Newton on those qualities. It just doesn’t fit the objective facts as we know them.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Wow! This guy nailed it.

  • RaiderRockstar

    the KEY POINT, “personal doesnt stop the run…its attitude”. period
    the steeler and ravens are the best not bc of players but the attitude they have abput the run

    ***

    Truth (comment #75),

    personnel doesn’t stop the run?

    do you think the Ravens would trade us Haloti Ngata, Ray Lewis & Terrell Suggs for John Henderson, Quinton Groves & Ricky Brown?

    do the think the Steelers would trade us Casey Hampton, James Harrison & LaMarr Woodley in exchange for Desmond Bryant, Sam Williams & Thomas Howard?

    Coaching is important, but talent is too.

    and this has nothing to do with keeping Asomugha & Huff … if anything, you bringing up the Ravens & Steelers only proves my point that a solid pass rush & stout run defense can make a crappy secondary look adequate or a good secondary GREAT

  • RaiderRockstar

    Offense better score A LOT of points.

    ***

    SnB,

    Hue Jackson needs to get more out of this passing offense regardless of what happens to the Defense. We have Jason Campbell throwing to a WR Corps of DHB, Murphy, Ford, Schilens & Nmiller. He’s being protected by Veldheer, Loper, Satele, Campbell & Barnes. Sanjay Lal is the WR Coach. Hue Jackson called a few stinker games last year (SF, which everybody blames JC for is one of them) and takes on MORE responsibility. Al Saunders replaces Hackett & Tollner with his 700 page playbook and at age 64, who knows how many new & creative ideas he has swirling about in his head?

    This group isn’t going to set the world on fire. Just hope that the running game is as good as last year (without Cable, Michalczik, Gallery and possibly Walker or Carlisle) and the passing game improves because JCamp isn’t jerked in & out of the lineup and his WR’s stay healthy

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Ask ESPN Stats to pull-up the same stats for Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. Lets start to get real, please.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Stanford Routt’s appearance on NFL Total Access, only confirmed that Players have nothing to say about anything in Oakland.

  • ohioraider

    15.1eyedpirate Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 2:34 am
    Always trying to down Big Al… U know the other day I was getting a haircut and me an the barber started talking football , the strike, and of course I gotta mention is that I was a raiders fan… Then I gotta hear how the raiders ain’t never gonna win anything until Al Davis dies… I hear that crap way too often… First of all none of these people like the raiders and our very ignorant about Big Al… When he does pass, this franchise will lose the flair that has made us the team you love to hate…. If you call urself a raiders fan then u better respect Big Al cuz he is the reason for more good memories of this franchise, than bad ones…. Sure recent struggles have clouded the minds of most us…. It would be great to see one more ring before he goes….. To just have the last laugh is the raider way, and I swear if we win one before he takes the big nap, I won’t care if we lose the next 10 seasons… Cuz poetic justice is very rare, especially in Raiderland….

    ————————————————-
    Frankly, it sounds to me that folks out in the Bay Area have wised up to the reality of the situation. And, by the way, it’s a complete myth that those of us who believe Al needs to move on aren’t true fans. I’ve been a hardcore fan since 1970. The only “unique” character Davis imparts anymore is that of eccentricity, incompentence, and feebleness. The franchise will survive him, and probably be the better for it.

  • RaiderRockstar

    * Subtracting out Nnamdi and Huff and keeping everything else the same = a weaker defense.

    The Houston Texans comparisons were sadly appropriate.

    * if we lose Nnamdi and Huff, we start to look alot like there secondary( the worst)
    The notion that fix the run makes the raiders a better def is absurd, esp of we lose nnamdi and huff

    Truth & SnB,

    30 Jason Allen CB
    37 Antonio Baker FS
    34 Dominique Barber SS
    39 Quintin Demps SS
    25 Kareem Jackson CB
    21 Brice McCain CB
    22 Sherrick McManis CB
    28 Antwaun Molden CB
    33 Troy Nolan FS
    29 Glover Quin CB
    42 Torri Williams SS

    How many of these guys would start for the Raiders over CJ37, Mitchell, Branch & Routt ???

  • Just Fire Baby

    And I also acknowledge that character, leadership qualities and football intelligence are critical to the success of an NFL quarterback.

    ********************************

    Debo,

    I’ve been saying this about ALL QB’s for the last two years, and everytime you feel the need to disagree and debate it with me.

    Than some scribe says the same thing in regards to Cam, and you link the whole article and claim he “nailed it”.

    WTF???????

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Jason Campbell is a high character guy. Yet, his “critics” want him to act like Cam Newton, and swagger around.

    Just another insidious way to be duplicitous.

  • Just Fire Baby

    One NFC executive on Ryan Mallett, via Albert Breer of NFL.com: “He’s the best pure passer in the draft, hands down. He’s Jeff George as a passer, Jim Everett as a person.” (That’s not a compliment.)

    And finally, a G.M. on Mallet via Cole: “I would never take him. Never. He’s irresponsible, selfish and not a leader.”

    *****************************************

    I don’t know if Mallet has a “mentor” but if so, it is time for him to hit the radio waves talking about the blatant racisim towards tall, crew-cutted QB’s.

  • 1eyedpirate

    Ohio raider thanx for the response and just wanted to let u know I truly respect ur opinion and love to hear true old school fans with wisdom to their words, like yourself…. Every thing u say is true and the time u put in as a fan garners the respect…. Ive been a fan since 84…. I am 34 years young…. I am the type of guy who will ride with Al cuz I respect him…. But yeah he is all what u say but u forgot impulsive… Cuz he is so quick to pull the trigger on big moves ( gruden trade, hiring and firing like a mad man, and throw in all the horrible FA signings )…. Let’s just hope hue can do what gruden did, build a fundamentally sound team of hard wokers to overcome all of Al’s meddling around….

  • Just Fire Baby

    Cam Newton’s persona on the field, mixed with Soup’s off the field would be a perfect mix, and a GM’s wet dream.

    Instead, Cam is a meat-head off the field, and Soup looks like he is about to cry at times on the field.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Bill Parcells rules for drafting collegiate QB’s

    26+ Wonderlic, 60+ completion %, and at least 29 collegiate starts.

    I think the only one that applies in this years draft is Greg McElroy.

    I think Tyrod Taylor would make the cut, but I can’t find his Wonderlic score.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    The problem with Routts stats from Stats Inc BURN PERCENTAGE:
    According to Stats Inc. Routt, Nnamdi, & CJohnson ranked 2nd, 3rd and 6th CBs in the NFL. The Raiders gave up 29 passing TDs, 5th worse in the NFL.

    How can a defense that has 3 of the top 6 CBs in the NFL rank 5th worse in passong TDs? Watch the games, Routt sucks.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    In 2010, CEO Pay Went Up 27% While Worker Pay Went Up 2%

    Households across the country are still feeling the effects of the Great Recession, with unemployment falling very slowly, while foreclosures are still increasing, along with poverty rates and oil prices. However, one group of Americans is doing very well — corporate CEOs, whose pay is returning to pre-recession levels:

    At a time most employees can barely remember their last substantial raise, median CEO pay jumped 27% in 2010 as the executives’ compensation started working its way back to prerecession levels, a USA TODAY analysis of data from GovernanceMetrics International found. Workers in private industry, meanwhile, saw their compensation grow just 2.1% in the 12 months ended December 2010, says the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Median CEO pay last year was $9 million, the highest since 2007. The median CEO bonus was $2.2 million. Family wealth, meanwhile, is currently down $12.8 trillion from its 2007 peak

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/01/ceo-recession-return/

  • RaiderDebo

    It’s possible that his personality has rubbed some people the wrong way, but to me championships are the best tangible evidence of leadership we can find. You could argue that Newton’s raw athletic ability simply overpowered opponents, but to me there is too much that goes into a college season to credit one supremely talented player for a title. Maybe in high school, and possibly junior college, but not at the level of the SEC.

    I wasn’t inside Auburn’s locker room last season, or Blinn’s the year before, but you would have to stack up a lot of hard evidence for me to convince me that Newton isn’t a leader of some measure. If any specific examples have been cited, I’ve missed them.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    JFB,

    I’ve never had a problem with the idea that leadership and intangibles are important to a QB’s success. My issue with you is how you decide whether a guy has these things or not. You see Bruise come onto the field pumping his fist or giving some cheesy line in an interview and decide right then and there he’s General Patton or something. You’re idea of leadership is corny and overly simplistic. There are lots of ways to lead. Cam’s body of work oozes leadership in my opinion. And I think the guys that get paid to figure this stuff out agree.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Well compared to the dead fish that preceded him, Bruce did seem like General Patton.

    Louis Murphy was amazed enough in having a QB show up on time to work, he proclaimed it to the media.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Hmm, the Cam Newton debate. Odds are stacked against any QB coming into the NFL. Seems to me that stong armed kids with high IQs and strong work ethic are the ones that make it in the NFL. Being a freakish athlete helps in most positions, not so much at QB.

  • GoodOle00

    145. agreed.

    Peterson’s accusation smacks of manuevering by teams with later draft picks maybe hoping he’ll slip and they can draft or miove up for him.

    He should go top 5 based on talent.

    Wish he was a Raider

  • GoodOle00

    142. Facts are lost on moronic chest thumping Repubs.

    Even when they can see the results all around them.

    The gulf between the haves and have nots or Eloys and Morlocks if you will, is now a chasm. The ultra rich are out to destroy everyone else plain and simple.

    Unchecked greed is the greatest evil this country has ever faced.

    Its destroying the Bill of Rights and our Constitution.

  • GoodOle00

    150. Its only “class warfare” when the ultra rich are being held accountable.

    When they attack the poorest of the poor its “cutting big Gov.”

    Lying ***holes responsible for the ra-pe of America for their won unmitigated greed.

  • raidertalk

    @ 138
    It seems that when Al has a solid coach that can build a foundation, the big name moves he pulls tend to compliment the foundation laid by the coach.

    However, if conflict arises between Al and the coach, or the coach is not competent enough to lay the foundation the flashy moves by Al end up bringing the team down.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Traditionally a Republican constituency, police and firefighters are rapidly turning to Democrats after assaults on their union rights in Wisconsin, Ohio, and elsewhere. “Who are these evil teachers who teach your children, these evil policemen who protect them, these evil firemen who pull them from burning buildings? When did we all become evil?” asked the national president of the Fraternal Order of Police.

    http://thinkprogress.org/