Ranking Raiders’ Round 6 selections
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, April 17th, 2011 at 12:54 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Fifth in a series
The Raiders are scheduled for one selection in the sixth round of this year’s NFL draft, No. 181 overall.
Here’s a ranking of their sixth-round picks since returning to Oakland in 1995:
(Overall-year)
1. DT Grady Jackson, Knoxville (193-1997): Started 41 games in 2000 and 2001 for an AFC West champion before leaving in free agency. Played 185 games in 13 seasons.
2. DE Trevor Scott, Buffalo (169-2008): Converted from tight end to defensive end in college, Scott has 13.5 sacks in 42 games, having his 2010 season cut short by ACL surgery.
3. DE Chris Cooper, Nebraska-Omaha (184-2001): Nicknamed “Baby Howie” because he wore No. 75, played the defensive line and bore some resemblance to Howie Long, Cooper had a career-high nine starts with 2.5 sacks with the Raiders in 2003. Played seven seasons for Raiders, Cowboys, 49ers, Seahawks and Cardinals. Tried to catch on with Raiders last year but didn’t make it out of training camp.
4. LB Travis Goethel, Arizona State (190-2010): Scheduled to be the surprise starter at weak side linebacker last year, Goethel missed half the season with back surgery but will compete to start at that position again this year.
5. CB Calvin Branch, Colorado State (172-1997): A reserve defensive back and special teams player, Branch played in 54 games with the Raiders from 1997 through 2000, then came back five years later to play in six games in 2005. He is now a member of the team’s scouting staff.
6. TE Brandon Myers, Iowa (202-2010): Currently the Raiders backup tight end to Zach Miller, Myers has 16 receptions for 99 yards and no touchdowns in 26 games with five starts. Had key special teams strip and recovery on kickoff return in 2009 win over Cincinnati.
7. G Kevin Boothe, Cornell (214-2006): Started 14 games as an Ivy League rookie for the horrendous 2006 Raiders, but was cut the following year because he didn’t fit into Tom Cable’s zone blocking system. Boothe has been a reserve lineman for the New York Giants for the last four seasons. He started five games last year.
8. FB Oren O’Neal, Arkansas State (175-2007): Promising career as a lead blocker ended with a devastating knee injury in the 2008 preseason finale. Cut after four games of the 2009 season.
9. OT Eli Herring, BYU (190-1995): Considered a potential first-day pick, Herring let it be known he wasn’t interested in playing professional football because of his religious beliefs in terms of playing on Sundays. Raiders took him anyway. He never came back, but one it was a worthwhile gamble considering his talent.
Others: DT Antaj Hawthorne, Wisconsin (175-2005); LB Ryan Riddle, Cal (212-2005); OT Pete McMahon, Iowa (214-2005); DE Shawn Johnson, Delaware (166-2004); LB Cody Spencer, North Texas State (182-2004); OL Dustin Rykert, BYU (204-2003); DB Keyon Nash, Albany State (189-2002); RB Larry Ned, San Diego State (197-2002); DL Darren Yancey, BYU (188-1999); RB Tim Hall, Robert Morris (183-1996).
NOTABLE SIXTH-ROUND PICKS IN RAIDERS HISTORY
– DT Nolan Harrison, taken at No. 146 out of Indiana in 1991, played in 82 games with the Raiders from 1991 through 1996 with 55 starts and 13.5 sacks.
– S Stacey Toran, taken at No. 168 out of Notre Dame in 1984, was an emerging star as a starting strong safety who was killed in a single-vehicle drunken driving accident near his home in Marina Del Rey
RANKING RAIDERS’ DRAFTS BY ROUND
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April 17th, 2011 at 11:54 am
1st
April 17th, 2011 at 11:56 am
now that i don’t have to worry about the site messin up the order
just a thought.
trading our 1st rounder in 2012 might not be such a bad idea considering the rest of the league expects us to have a low pick and we might just have the playoffs next year. with the party, davis’ health, the fact that we haven’t worked out any (to the best of my knowledge) locks as 2nd round prospects, and a new head coach i believe davis uses it to move into the 1st for either a DB (amakamura?)a WR (julio jones?) or OL (Mike Pouncey?). don’t forget von miller is up there and is a natural OLB in a 4-3 though teams might convert him to DE in 3-4
its possible we trade up into the 20s but im 80% sure we trade up.
April 17th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
SnB….pro bowl players?Huff isnt a pro bowler. Guy sucks. Aso is a pro bowler but he aint a defensive mvp type. Charles Woodson he is not
April 17th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Too bad with Oren O’Neal, he showed some promiese as a punishing blocker! Reece is pure X factor, a great guy to have, but we could use a crushing FB to short yardage situations!
April 17th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
R.I.P. All madden team member Stacy toran
April 17th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
yo
April 17th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Priesttj,
A player drafted in 2002 or 2003 should be in their prime production years right now….year 7 through 10. They should be leading contributors. Especially high round draft picks.
The fact that this team has only THREE players that were drafted/acquired before 2004 shows exactly why this team has such a LACK of leadership and tradition.
Sorry…make that two once Nnamdi departs for a SB contender for NO COMPENSATION!
And the two remaining are the kicker and punter.
The Raiders depend almost exclusively on free agent acquisitions….many of whom are either near the end of their careers or are fighting to stay relevant in the league.
Hard to win when you have little leadership on the roster and coaches keep getting churned in and out with shocking regularity.
Will the Raiders continue the progress from last year? I hope so with the QB and front 7 returning.
But it is going to be HARD to do with a brand new defensive staff, struggling wide receivers, new TE, mostly new secondary and a 28th ranked run defense.
That’s why getting draft picks for Nnamdi could have really helped this year. But nope, clung to the dream and now will have nothing to show for his departure…or Michael Huff for that matter.
You don’t get better losing pro-bowl players…you certainly don’t get better letting pro-bowl players leave for nothing……
April 17th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
guy
just what i’m hearing. a lot of mocks have 3-4 teams considering him is all. we need someone next to mclain and miller would be awesome. who knows what the raiders will do but i’m stoked for the draft
April 17th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
guy
my bad i was think of OLB. don’t know why i said DE. anyways miller is said to be a pure 4-3 OLB.
April 17th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
jonny I think you have it confused, Von Miller is way too small to be a 3-4 DE.
April 17th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
I’m sorry to inform you SnB but that is a pie in the sky viewpoint. Sure evry org. would love for that to be true, but real life just doesn’t work that way son. Life happens players leave or get traded or get cut and injured. That is the facts on EVERY TEAM not just this one. Look in any organiztion you choose and you’ll see that is the case. Sure there are the Payton Mannings and Ray Lewis’ of the world but just think how many players both of them have played with.
Brett farve started with Sterling Sharpe he ended with guys are barely on that team anymore. He played with Reggie White who’s dead. It’s just the way it is right now. Only great players last 6-10 in this league.
And you obviously don’t know this team as is presently constituted. The core of this team was drafted that is the entire secondary besides CJ. the LB’s save Wimbley and #52 were drafted. The Dline save henderson and Seymour were drafted and teh kid Moss. The Oline save Satele and CC were drafted The TE’s drafted the WR’s all drafted.
So what the hell are you talking about. This entire team was damn near biult in the last 4 years. Either you’re having a bad day or hitting something aweful hard. Put it down and let your head clear dude.
April 17th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
All Im saying is this….when you see the big plays the raider D gave up last year find the bum he was always in the highlight…..#24! Naada was worse than jax game. All five jax tds had Huff failing on the lay. He always will be a bum and Im glad he is out
April 17th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
I think you are too much of a pessimist you look at everything as the sky is falling. Nnamdi could leave that is true but how many probowl players have we let just walk outside of CWood and maybe Nnamdi. That’s about it. Other players we kept somehow or replaced.
This is a waste of time with you I know because you prefer to whine. But Mr Davis rarely ever loses someone he really wants to keep…………period
April 17th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
the secondary doesnt worry me on the defense. Routt Ware and W McF are fine but cj37 sux man. I like our safeties alot. We need a WLB,NT, and another DE to make defense complete
April 17th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
BHP…..NNAMDI aint worth keeping. With Shaughnessy and Houston emerging as good pass rushers we wont need some lockdown corner like everyone thinks Aso is
April 17th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Lakers be asleep and try to turn it on late too much. Cant keep doing that bs. Everyone is gunning for them
April 17th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Bauce I wholeheartedly agree this is a very solid secondary with or without Nnamdi. Sure I’d love to have a probowler like Nnamdi but who’s to say what kind of players these young guys will become. I remember when we drafted Lester Hayes and made him a corner you couldn’t hear yourself think for the laughter. Next thing you know he’s in the probowl the laughter stopped. He was drafted in the same round as WMcFadden.
I’m not smart enough to say who will be great and who wont but suffice to say it could be anyone. Tom Brady MADE himself a great QB because he wasn’t one when he was drafted. the same can happen to any of these players. Hell we may draft a HOF’r this year in the 6th rnd who knows.
April 17th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
bauce that may well be the case and I hope you’re right, but I prefer to take my chances with Nnamdi covering the best WR. Lil Mcfad might be a player and I think he will but I’d refer he was on the slot with Routt on the 2nd rec. This front 7 will dominate games I’m almost sure of it. But I really wouldn’t mind winning a SB with that ballet dancer back there.
April 17th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
I don’t see how anybody with an ounce of objectivity could possibly look at Walter McFadden as anything other than a potential reserve player.
He shied away from tackles all preseason, got “hurt” for months on a non-contact injury, and the ONE TIME he got decent playing time, he was picked on worse than I may have ever seen a DB picked on, by a fringe NFL QB (Henne).
I think there is a greater chance he is released next year, than he is starting or even our #3 DB.
April 17th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
All five jax tds had Huff failing on the lay
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Come on Bauce, no need to lie to make your point.
He wasn’t even on the field the last TD run, and the 1 yard TD pass to Mercedes Lewis was with Branch in coverage.
And not sure what the FS is supposed to do on a 10 yard corner route to the WR (Routt was on coverage).
He got burnt for the big TD (all the Huff to CB talk died right than and there) and was on the field for the 74 yard run.
April 17th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
JFB the truth is no one knows what McFadden will ultimately do. All was said was no one knows how good the kid could be. Like I said I would prefer he start as a slot DB. Instead he was playing for Nnamdi in the Miami game. His first start you’re going to get it handed to you it’s what he does from here that counts.
Lester Hayes was torched often in his rookie year, look how he turned out.
April 17th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
SnB, Don’t think we could have traded Nnamdi with his contract. The best we can expect if he leaves is the comp pick in the 3rd round.
April 17th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
#2. Trading out of the first round was a brilliant idea. This considered the weakest senior class in history by many.
April 17th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011vmiller.php
jonny, hes probably a top 10 or maybe even 5 pick. It says here hes strictly a 3-4 OLB and probably a 4-3 DE, but is weak vs the run.
April 17th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
The Raiders were among the worst in the league in pass TDs given up. Some 29 or 30 passes. The starting CB that we don’t need anymore gave up ZERO
April 17th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
The Raiders gave up some 29 or 30 pass TDs last year. Among the worst in the league. The starting CB we no longer need gave up ZERO of those.
To sit here and simply dismiss his departure as if we were talking about Kenyon Rambo or Stu Schweigart is to ignore stone cold reality.
Now, I assume the game plan is for more zone defense and for the front 7 to finally stop the run (they finished ranked 28th last year).
April 17th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/09000d5d81cd695e/QB-Garrard-to-WR-Sims-Walker-10-yd-pass-TD
idk what Routt was doing, but it looked like Huff was covering him
April 17th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
I think Nnamdi leaving would be a good idea because the QB will have to see the whole field instead of throwing it to the middle of the field or the opposite side of Nnamdi. We’re overpaying for a guy that gets ignored. Kinda like DHB.
April 17th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Lester Hayes played 14 games as a rookie, McFadden played 4.
Next year is basically going to be another rookie year for Walter.
April 17th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Ooopps, lol.
Wrong on the corner TD.
That was pretty good coverage by Huff though, and if Cable hadn’t panicked on his challenges, could have possibly been overturned.
So 3 out 5 TD’s. My apologies Bauce
April 17th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
This round has been an absolute disaster for the franchise. No long term value whatsoever.
April 17th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
La Milicia,
Let’s stick with the same QB / OC for at least 1 freekn year!
April 17th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Shouldnt have had to challenge the first turnover and the “TD” shouldn’t have been called a TD, even Del Rio knew they got a lucky call.
April 17th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Go get Billy Volek!! dump Jason Campbell and get Mike Kafka… we will be set for 10 years then!
April 17th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
guy
i may have heard wrong then. i really haven’t paid as much attention to the top prospects as normal since we have no first rounder. i’m just now gettin into watchin college so i rely on the offseason tho study the prospects ya know.
anyhoo if we do trade up, who in the 1st is worth making the move for?
April 17th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Gabe Carimi tackle from Wis. Gonna be a stud, can be had in the bottom of the 1st
April 17th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
I wouldn’t trade up for any Olineman in this draft, they’re very average at best. The best OT in the draft is the kid from USC Smith and he’s a mid1st rndr. Gabe Carimi might turn out good but not worth a trade up no way. I’d only trade up if a great top 10 talent fell to the low 20’s. Like if Cam Newton fell I’d trade up to get him. Or Julio Jones someone like that. For Carimi HELL NO!!.
Carimi should be there when we pick that’s what I think about him. I’d like to get my hands on Danny Watkins at #48 or Phil taylor or Jon Baldwin. In fact I might move up 10 spots for Jon Baldwin.
For those that think losing Nnamdi is a good idea that IMO is ridiculous. It’s never a good idea to lose great talent and I know someof you don’t think he’s great. That’s because you’ve never played in this league, QB’s DO NOT avoid throwing at bad corners WR’s don’t get shut down by bad corners. To insenuate that somehow Nnamdi gets it done by smoke and mirrors borders on lunacy. QB’s OC’s and WR’s study way too much film for that to happen year in year out. You might have a fluke year but not 5 in row. Nnamdi is one of the great corners to ever play this game……..period
April 17th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Al’s not trading up for an O-lineman, no matter how much sense it might make.
If Al is trading up, he is getting a DB or an offensive skill position player.
April 17th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
40.priesttj Says:
April 17th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
It’s funny to think that people think QB’s having only one side of the field to throw to is easy LOL If a player can take away one side of the field from any QB that is a decided disadvantage for the QB. The defense can roll coverage to the other side. making the window much smaller and the FS has every advantage in the world in that instance it gives the DC a much easier time defending that team. That is why you see teams going 3 and 4 wides and two tights vs the Raiders. It takes Nnamdi’s advantage away. But if you take Nnamdi off the field as a DC you’re crazy you have to use him as a safety. For Marshall to allow that formation to take Nnamdi off the field was a huge mistake. You simply let him play center field. Marshall outcoached himself.
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lets not also forget how marshall had mcclain guarding moreno as a cb against denver in the 45 point blowout. common sense shouldve had a cb on moreno. i watched that game again this morning and it made me sick to my stomach seeing that. denver ran the easiest pick play ive seen. what was so funny is that we had branch lined up on the LOS blitzing orton while mcclain was playin outside. u would think it shouldve been the other way around. im glad marshall is out of here. he did some realy stupid sh!t.
April 17th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
redskins want out of their spot. julio jones/prince amakamura??
April 17th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
It’s funny to think that people think QB’s having only one side of the field to throw to is easy LOL If a player can take away one side of the field from any QB that is a decided disadvantage for the QB. The defense can roll coverage to the other side. making the window much smaller and the FS has every advantage in the world in that instance it gives the DC a much easier time defending that team. That is why you see teams going 3 and 4 wides and two tights vs the Raiders. It takes Nnamdi’s advantage away. But if you take Nnamdi off the field as a DC you’re crazy you have to use him as a safety. For Marshall to allow that formation to take Nnamdi off the field was a huge mistake. You simply let him play center field. Marshall outcoached himself.
April 17th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
If Nnamdi does go we have try to replace him with a proven bump and run corner out of FA, not the draft.
April 17th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
I just don’t see what you see in Baldwin Priest.
I am all but sure he will be there when we draft.
He will be like Carlos Dunlap from last year, IMO. Top 15 talent, with a undrafted FA between the ears, and will fall to the 3rd round or so.
April 17th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Man the sixth round draft picks look ugly. I guess the 6 round is not our round.
April 17th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
**Nnamdi must read***********
I still don’t think Al lets Nanamdi go because he likes hall of fame talent and Nanamdi is right there. The guy is solid. And if you think the DBs we have left after he is gone including Huff at safety (if he stays) is enough then LMAO I guess I am a fool!!!
Lastly, if you mainly live and die by a bump and run man to man defense year after year. Why would you let one of the best man to man DBs who is proven in your system go? The guy is still young and he has not lost a step. You have Rod Woodson coming to coach and you get rid of Nanamdi and leave him with junk???
Makes no sense. If Al goes out and buys 3 DBs with Nnamdi’s $ who are they? Name two who is available? OK one? I did not think so. : )
April 17th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Nnamdi hallf of fame talent? No way man. Good player but I dont see Canton for that guy. He doesnt maake enough plays
April 17th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Stacy Toran, man that kid was a vicious hitter. His death devastated Mr Davis. Made him start to shy away from bad acters. He started to get a guy in the org. to help players with lifestyle(drugs and alchohol) issues. Then it happened again with a 1strnd draft pick. forget the kids name from Wash St DT. Then again with DRuss. Young players driving fast cars living fast lives will never stop as sad as it is.
April 17th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Wow I wonder how crazy the blog’s LA faction willl be tomorrow knowing LA got punked by cp3 today
April 17th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Bauce will you cut it short, Come on man! You csan’t keep this up bro. Nnamdi is a solid candidate for the HOF if he keeps going another 3-4 years. He has 5 probowls and 3 more he is a lock. The kid is very difficult to beat and when he slows down he’ll just go back to his natural position FS and go to probowl from there.
I know you a some others wantg him to be more aggressive but he’s doing what they’re asking him to do. Probowl QB’s don’t throw at him, that is undeniable. To say he’s not a HOF candidate makes you sound like a hater. Just say he’s not the type of player you like as a great talent.
Maybe you’d prefer someone like Jimmy Smith who’s a risk taker and more aggressive but he’s also unreliable. With it’s consistent game in game out and year in and year out. Org.’s wait 20-30 years for players like Nnamdi and you think he stinks.
Come on Bauce, get beyond this man…….give the guy some credit.
April 17th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
BHP….THE GUY is good no doubt but HOF? Come on man…..Charles Woodson he is not! Nnamdi isnt a playmaker and never will be a defensive MVP….also he is soft…..Raider coaches think the same
April 17th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
BHP and what has nnamdi done really to make a difference? 8 seasons and team hasnt been a winner. I seen the Raiders win games without Nnamdi so Im not tripping bout him. When your front 7 is dope thatss when your D is the best
April 17th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
No one said he was CWood Bauce but there is a lot of room when you mention players like CWood. You could tell Charles was going to be what he is even at Mich. No one knew Nnamdi would be quite this good. All Charles had to do was get back to where he was his 1st 4 years. He finally started studying film when he got to GB. That should telll you all yolu need to know.
Nnamdi had to work at it. He made himself great and to be honest he is not a natural cover corner. he just gets it done with hard work. His instincts are more geared to FS yet he’s been to 5 straight probowls at corner. That is unbelieveable. At safety he’d be as good if not better than Ed Reed. Just watch what I’m telling ya’ as his career goes on.
April 17th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Better than Ed Reed? NO WAY man. Ed Reed is a natural playmaker with numerous i mean NUMEROUS big plays for TDs. Bad example. Nnamdi is good not great.
April 17th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
And VR….OK NOT 5 TDS but 3….fair enough but how awful is that? Huff stinks and gives up big plays more than he makes. Cant wait to see Branch and Mitchell back there along withh Brown. Keep hiram away
April 17th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Bauce I agree with Branch and Mitchell I’m anticipating that tandem turning out to be special.
April 17th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Al Davis is the Raider of the draft!
April 17th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Al Davis=rules this realm
April 17th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
What was the knock on Brady when he was drafted?
Why wasn’t he drafted higher?
April 17th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81f4d1d2/article/raiders-dolphins-plan-visits-with-rising-rb-prospect-jones?module=HP_headlines
We have currently the best trio of backs in the NFL. Coach Davis is probably dialing this guy in say for maybe 3-5 years down the road. We need O and D linemen.
April 17th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
58.Kirk Says:
April 17th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
What was the knock on Brady when he was drafted?
Why wasn’t he drafted higher?
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Because without cheating he wouldn’t have been as special.
April 17th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Nobody in their right mind would’ve drafted Brady any higher. He looked terrible at the combine no armstrength slow and gangly. Brady made himself into a great player sometimes that happens. A guy decides it means the world to him and works night and day to get better and it happens. He was very competitive to begin with he just needed to get stronger and more skilled and he did that. But prior to the draft. The only thing on film was his competitiveness. He brought the Wolverines back in several games, but even on film he underwhelmed you physically.
The same was true with Montana he was just a much better athlete. So they drafted him higher but his arm and accuracy were very average he just won.
But to be honest both on film were a dime a dozen……….period
April 17th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Nnamdi needs to go we’ve got bigger fish to fry like stopping the run and oline just because he can cover one guy doesn’t change the outcome of the game(Most of the time it’s not even the #1 receiver)I rather have that money go to players who can stop the run or who can block, he’s not a QB or even a playmaker.
April 17th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
I think there are a few guys in this draft that would impress you more than Brady. Guys like TJ Yates and Nathan Enderle and the kid Josh Portis. Guys with good sized strong arms and athletic. Now you can take those guys and if they really really want it bad enough could be easily as good as as Brady. Brady just plays the game with his head. Same ass Montana Montana is aQB GEEK. If there is such a thing He eats it breaths it sleeps it dreams it. That’s what made him great………….period
April 18th, 2011 at 2:17 am
58.Kirk Says:
April 17th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
What was the knock on Brady when he was drafted?
Why wasn’t he drafted higher?
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(come on man)justin bieber is lucky he got drafted at all.
some one in the front office in new england must have a 10 year old daughter calling shots duuhh
lol
April 18th, 2011 at 4:36 am
Man, could Cam have come off any worse when Gruden pressed him on the Gruden camp thing to rattle off some “verbiage” from Auburn?
“Um……wow your really putting me on the spot”, is probably not the answer prospective teams were looking for.
The kid seems like he is trying, and I will admit some of the personality stuff seems a tad overblown, but did the guy even have a playbook in college? He basically admitted that they never huddled, never changed plays at the LOS, and “simplistic equals fast” was the Auburn approach.
April 18th, 2011 at 5:13 am
priesttj Says:
April 17th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
JFB the truth is no one knows what McFadden will ultimately do. All was said was no one knows how good the kid could be. Like I said I would prefer he start as a slot DB. Instead he was playing for Nnamdi in the Miami game.
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Not the way I remember it.
I seem to recall McFadden stepping in for CJ, and Henne picking on him and throwing up the right side of the field. Nnamdi was still on the left. I recall Nnamdi getting injured later in the game after McFadden was already embarrassed.
McFadden did look horrible that day but before he got injured I thought he looked very impressive in the pre-season. Long and angular with good timing. Definitely deserves another long hard look.
As far as Nnamdi leaving and what impact that will have on the defense…Raids gave up an average of 23 points a game up to and including the Miami game…and 23 points per game after the Miami game in which he got hurt.
I think Nnamdi is a top notch cover man and a good tackler in run support. Yup, he should have more picks, but I can’t see how losing him doesn’t weaken the defense.
Gotta figure either Routt or CJ miss some games due to injury and when that happens another CB is definitely going to be needed if Aso departs.
Huff had his best season yet. Showed the ability to disguise and time his blitzes well. I still think he’s crap against the run and am not overly concerned about him leaving.
April 18th, 2011 at 5:31 am
48.Bauce Madness Says:
April 17th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Wow I wonder how crazy the blog’s LA faction willl be tomorrow knowing LA got punked by cp3 today
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Right here dildo breath. Lakers in 6!!!!
April 18th, 2011 at 5:56 am
Dear Coach Davis,
Can we get rid of Sanjay Lal and hire the G.O.A.T. Jerry Rice?! We have Woodson, how about another Hall of Famer?
April 18th, 2011 at 6:46 am
How to replace Nnamdi-
1. Trade up for Patrick Peterson
2. Draft Demarcus Van Dyke
3. FA (Hopefully Antonio Cromartie)
4. The Tandem of Stanford Routt and Chris Johnson
5. Great Coaching by Chuck Bresnahan, Willie Brown, and Rod Woodson
April 18th, 2011 at 7:28 am
*********Lets talk about it********
OK, this Nnamdi talk has finally made something interesting to finally blog about. So lets kick it for a minute.
If Nnamdi is traded how does it make our team stronger? I assume it would be more money at the bottom line. So who do we go get and at what position for the money to make us a strogner team?
April 18th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Dildo breath? Lol exla….good one but I wouldnt be making that statement if I were you…..knowing damn well u dress in drag for Halloween with a Laker cheerleader outfit on in West Hollywood. Get over you beatdown and stop living the “Crying Game”
April 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Bauce,
You’re a real Raider fan, but I just don’t get where you’re coming from with his Nnamdi’s soft talk at all. Maybe it’s his personality you don’y like, I don’t know. Because the guy comes off as a kinda soft-spoken nice guy and not a thug.
I don’t think his play on the nfield is soft. In fact Nnamdi is very physical in run support and willing to throw his body around.
If you wanna talk soft I’d look at his supposed replacement…the track star Stanford Routt. I’m still not completely sold on that guy. I know what his burn stats and completion rate against are. The guy did play much better last year for sure. He still gets called for too many penalties and wants no part of run support.
Just look at that Jax game you were mentioning earlier. Routt was an embarrasment. Especially on the play that swung the whole momentum of the game. Raiders were cruising and in complete control.
Seymour shoots the gap and carries the guard right into the backfield and almost takes the handoff. Jax backup RB eludes him but has no momentum, running parallel to LOS. All Routt has to do is wrap up and make a tackle in the bacfield.
Instead he looks like he’s looking for a flag to pull. Dude gets away and goes for seventy. Ford fumbles the ensuing kickoff and momentum takes a 180o swing.
In the finale vs KC Jammaal Charles is running a sweep in his direction and it was obvious Routt wanted no part of coming up and making a tackle. I just watched the replay and shook my head in disgust. And Charles isn’t exactly Jerome Bettis.
Hell, I like CJ37 as more of a complete corner. He’s not afraid to stick his nose in there. He’ll come up and knock the piss out of people on those swing routes.
His problem is he was a late bloomer and now he can’t seem to stay healthy.
April 18th, 2011 at 9:20 am
here’s the thing about Nnamdi leaving.
who cares?! he is a frikkin DB. ya sure he might be the best DB in the league, but i’m having a hard time remembering the last time Nnamdi won a game for us. it’s been the same way since we lost the super bowl, bad offense and bad running defense with a great passing defense. hmmm maybe we should use some of Nnamdi’s super bowl winning QB money to stop the run and score some touchdowns.
super bowl winning teams in last decade. it’s hard to name a DB for any of those teams. bet you can name the QBs WRs and RBs for most of the teams though. green bay won last year with woodson out for 3 quarters!! Nnamdi will be hard to replace but we will survive if we keep our offense and run D moving in the right direction.
April 18th, 2011 at 9:24 am
BTW before the hate comes… i do love Nnamdi, great guy, great player would love for Al to figure out a way to keep him. BUT, in all likelyhood he is a goner because of money and all i’m sayin is we will be fine as a football team without him.
April 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am
The thing with Nnamdi is he had his breakout year, where he DID make plays. I believe he had 8 int’s. After that word got out and people generally avoided him like the plague.
Teams decided not to challenge him anymore and instead attacked the linebackers and other members of the secondary.
With the exception of Phillip Rivers. He would go afer Nnamdi from time to time, and actually had some success trowing to his freakishly large WR’s. Almost everyone else chose the path of least resistance.
It just strikes me as odd the the guy is generally regarded by EVERYBODY associated with the NFL…writers, announcers, fans and especially his peers who continue to vote him to probowls as the best..or at least 2nd best in the business. Maybe 1 and 1A with Revis Island. Everybody can see it, except for a few RAIDER FANS who say awww…the guy sucks. Good riddance to that guy.
I just don’t get it. I don’t see how you get better by losing an elite talent and great teammate. Apparently AD is ready to move on and gave Nnamdi’s money to Routt? We’ll see.
April 18th, 2011 at 9:46 am
That’s why getting draft picks for Nnamdi could have really helped this year. But nope, clung to the dream and now will have nothing to show for his departure…or Michael Huff for that matter.
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SnB,
quit freaking out, man.
as BCZ points out, we are getting some pretty good comp picks for Nnamdi & Mike next draft. Plus we’re getting a good look at CJ37 & Routt as starting corners with Mike Mitchell a starting safety next to Tyvon Branch. Less predictable in the secondary. Walter Mac will probably be the new nickel corner as I don’t see Jeremy Ware beating him out.
At some point, you have to let the youngsters play! I would rather fix the Run Defense than pay #21 & #24 a combined $25 million per season to stay when we have NEVER had a winning season since either player was drafted. and we gave up 29 passing TD’s last year
We’ll have a dynamic pass rush and instead of a QB heaving it to the side Nnam isn’t on, he’ll have to make his reads. CJ37 is no slouch and replacing him in the starting lineup with a Rookie 2nd rounder is a stupid idea
April 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Apparently AD is ready to move on and gave Nnamdi’s money to Routt?
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Buckeye,
you think #21 could have been retained at $10 million per season ???
LOL!
April 18th, 2011 at 9:50 am
maybe we should use some of Nnamdi’s super bowl winning QB money to stop the run and score some touchdowns
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YES !!!
irjonny = semi pro blogger
I’m sending the request to my boy Thec right now …
April 18th, 2011 at 9:57 am
I agree with Al that spending Nnamdi’s $16 million a year on other players could really help the team, and probably more so than Nnamdi himself.
However, we have yet to see these additions, so tough to tell. All we have done is give Hiram and Routt double their last years salary, and that’s not really what most of us had in mind.
I’ve said from the beginning, that losing Huff will impact this team more than Nnamdi.
Huff leads the team in turnovers created, is probably our best blitzer, and the best FS we had of late in playing center-field.
I really don’t think MM34 or Branch will be our starting FS (unless we change defensive philosophy, which is highly unlikely) and I would lean more towards Hiram starting back there week 1 if Huff isn’t resigned.
April 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Hell Huff is also a ST player, and a pretty damn good one.
Nnamdi hasn’t played ST in probably 5 years.
April 18th, 2011 at 10:27 am
I though he got his knee blown out on the season opening kickoff that year, not preseason finale?
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8. FB Oren O’Neal, Arkansas State (175-2007): Promising career as a lead blocker ended with a devastating knee injury in the 2008 preseason finale. Cut after four games of the 2009 season.
April 18th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Last game of the preseason, opening kickoff and want to say it was against the Cardinals.
I blame Kiffin for having our best young run-blocking FB, on the return unit in the preseason finale.
Not much to gain in that situation, and obviously, a ton to lose.
Great job as usual Lance!!
April 18th, 2011 at 10:35 am
RRS,
A good chunk of it at least. Besides If he could have reached a long term deal, then that avg salary would come down I believe. With the security of a long term deal and a signing bonus I don’t think he would be making his franchise tag type numbers. Would I rather have Nnamdi at 13 than Stanford at 10 mil per? You betcha.
But his contract voided and now he’s a free agent. He has the right to seek out the best deal. I don’t see him getting 16-17 mil per on the open market, do you?
When it was first announced that his deal had voided and he coudn’t be franchised I was still certain he would most likely return. NoCal guy with ties to the community, wanting to finish what he started, etc.
Now, after the press conference and Routt’s deal I’m almost as certain he’s likely to leave. Unfortunately.
Everybody keeps saying that the NFL is turning into more of a pass happy league. Can the Raiders new secondary minus Huff and Nnamdi hold up? I hope so. We shall see.
April 18th, 2011 at 10:38 am
JFB
I agree with you that eugene is a serviceable option and the best option if huff is gone. (which he is). there is a swarm of free agent FS out there who won’t need the paycheck like huff. we don’t need our DBs to be super stars, what we need are players that can make the occasional play and the occasional stop. the money should go to positions that consistently have the opportunity to change the game i.e. LB,DE get the big paydays from most teams on average. huff wouldn’t be our “best blitzer” if we upgraded those positions (in our case by getting better run stuffers). this is why we franchised wimbley.
i’ve been dealing with the dis-function of the last decade right along with you guys pounding my computer desk yelling “why can’t we run our organization like other, successful ones!!” ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a functioning and proven system of management. logic found it’s way into the raiders organization somehow and you are witnessing transition. kicking and screaming to keep the players that have shined for us when we were losers is natural.
April 18th, 2011 at 10:41 am
I don’t see him getting 16-17 mil per on the open market, do you?
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No chance in hell.
I see the MAX for Nnamdi would be 5 years around maybe 62 million or so (12 million per year).
April 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Cliff Branch Interview:
“Will Nnamdi Asomugha be back with the Raiders?
Hopefully Asamogha will say that he wants to be loyal and I want to be a Raider. Hopefully he would take a pay cut. Show how loyal you are, take 10 million dollars. That is still a lot of damn money; after taxes you will still get 7 million.”
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/oakland-raiders/2011/4/7/2096639/one-on-one-with-oakland-raiders-great-cliff-branch
April 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Buckeye…..a raider coach who I wont name said Nnamdi is soft. Had nada to do with thuggery. Routt for sure got issues man
April 18th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Yes we dont need superstars in secondary just solid capable guys. I want superstars on the front 7. What good is the secondary if the dline aint dominant?
April 18th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Show how loyal you are, take 10 million dollars. That is still a lot of damn money; after taxes you will still get 7 million.”
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Our current prez may have something to say about that.
I met Cliff at a Wal-Mart last year, and took some pics and plastered it on FB. That guy is a Raider, through and through.
April 18th, 2011 at 10:52 am
I think our D-line was pretty dominant last year, certainly at times, definately against our division, and certainly as far as pass-rush goes.
Had issues with a rookie MLB at the beginning of the year, and Wimbley and Groves aren’t going to consistantly stand stout and clean up runs for 2-3 yards.
And always with the stupid big runs, like the Jax game, where DB’s are missing tackles.
April 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Kinda Crazy that Aso was a converted safety and you really wouldn’t classify him as a hard hitting CB by any means. I was a little suprised he only had 19 total tackles all year. Not like teams run away from him (?).
Still love the guy and own a Aso Jersey.
April 18th, 2011 at 11:11 am
it’s a LBs and DEs job to shed blocks on a run play. again that is why most teams pay those guys more than DBs not to mention the franchise tag pay scale for those positions are more. just because we can point out a few plays that a DB missed we also have to look at why was a DB the only one to make contact with the runner in the first place?
April 18th, 2011 at 11:13 am
just because we can point out a few plays that a DB missed we also have to look at why was a DB the only one to make contact with the runner in the first place?
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I can certainly agree with that. You are not going to establish a solid run defense focusing on your back 4 (or 5).
But if those DB’s make those plays, it is the difference of a 15 yard run, or a 60 yard run. Sometimes the other team just executes well up front, they are NFL players too and you just have to except that from time to time.
In those cases, you need the DB’s to clean things up and live to see another day on the drive.
April 18th, 2011 at 11:15 am
No chance in hell.
I see the MAX for Nnamdi would be 5 years around maybe 62 million or so (12 million per year).
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If 2011 is uncapped I could see someone pay 17-19 million for 1 year for him. The Jets come to mind because they have been so aggressive in FA since Ryan came on board. I could also see Houston shelling out HUGE money to bring him in the event of an uncapped year.
April 18th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Nnamdi is not asking for $16 mill he just wants a solid contract. All this speculation that he’s asking for that kind of money is wrong. Nnamdi is a very level headed kid. He and Mr Davis could work out a contract in minutes if there wasn’t a lockout. It’s a matter of Mr Davis wanting to keep him in the organization.
Whatever happens I have enough confidence in Mr Davis to get it done. Nnamdi cannot play forever at some point you must replace him if we do it now and do it right I’ll be cool with it. As long as we don’t try to do it with unproven talent. But Personally I cannot see Nnamdi not being a Raider in 2011. If FA were active maybe then more teams would be putting in a bid but due to the lockout I think a lot of FA’s will stick and stay at least for short term deals.
April 18th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I like CJ37 as more of a complete corner. He’s not afraid to stick his nose in there. He’ll come up and knock the piss out of people on those swing routes.
His problem is he was a late bloomer and now he can’t seem to stay healthy.
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he has only missed 9 games in 4 friggin years!
yet YOU PEOPLE are so concerned about playing against Bob Sanders twice per season, who has only played in 9 games over the past 3 seasons!!
hello?
April 18th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Dont re-sign Aso. Time to move on. We have seen teams move on from real good players to have success the following year. Nothing against Nnamdi but his time is up.
April 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I really don’t think MM34 or Branch will be our starting FS (unless we change defensive philosophy, which is highly unlikely) and I would lean more towards Hiram starting back there week 1 if Huff isn’t resigned
eugene is a serviceable option and the best option if huff is gone. (which he is). there is a swarm of free agent FS out there who won’t need the paycheck like huff. we don’t need our DBs to be super stars
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Hiram “stiff armed” Eugene has a fan club?
JFB & irjonny, get real fellas!
April 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
CJ37 pisses me off. But one thing tho he will go and snag a shhhhty pass from a qb and go to the house. At least he aint ouut trying too be a media darling like some cbs I know
April 18th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Hiram Eugene best option? He isnt better than any safety on our roster. He is a spec teams player and that’s it. The other 3 guys are much better
April 18th, 2011 at 11:47 am
new post ladies!
April 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am
JFB
the ravens are one of the best defenses in the league. i can’t remember who their CBs are can anyone else? bet everyone remembers suggs, and lewis. i agree that a DB needs to be a sure tackler, but every DB misses a big tackle every now and then because of the open space on the edge. yes even Nnamdi and Revis. teams don’t run on the edge of the ravens more because the LBs and DEs don’t let it happen. that’s where we need to go with our defense. the CB position much like the WR position has one high paid high calibur guy and decent players of that position to compliment. routte is that guy now. just like we have to focus on our o-line to protect our weapons, we must focus on LB,D-line to protect our defense.
huff is gone, Nnamdi is gone (unless he takes a pay cut) let’s accept that. if we want a sure tackler at the FS position how about mike mitchell and use eugene in the cover1 single high for speed?
April 18th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Bauce one thing you have got to understand man is that there are no perfect corners. I don’t care how many you go through you will always have issues with them for one reason or another.
I have been a Raider fan for 45+ years the only corner that I can think of that I had zero probelms with was Mike Haynes. Even CWood used to piss me off because he just wouldn’t play sound defense and would give up easy TD’s because he got bored. No one threw at him so he would get lazy and get beat. Nnamdi doesn’t do that even Willie Brown who was an unbelieveable talent wasn’t perfect.
I have zero issue with Nnamdi doing what he does he’s the best inthe business. And we have him not someone else.
You know Bauce I’m a firm believer in someone not missing their water until the well runs dry. I would much prefer Nnamdi on our side tghan someone else’s…………..period
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