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Raiders out of first round . . . for now

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, April 26th, 2011 at 7:17 am in Oakland Raiders.

As it stands, the Raiders won’t have a draft pick in the first round for the first time since 1989.

However, as Steve Corkran writes in today’s Bay Area News Group papers, owner Al Davis has a history of trading up and it wouldn’t be shocking if he were to package draft picks to get into the first round Thursday night if there is a player on the board he wants.

And here’s a move that is strictly conjecture on my part but so very Raider _ swinging a deal with the New England Patriots to get the 17th pick back that was surrendered in the trade for defensive tackle Richard Seymour.

Oakland is an active trade partner with New England, including dealing up to get Mario Henderson, trading Randy Moss for a fourth-round pick and dealing Doug Gabriel to New England for a draft pick.

Teams are now free to make trades with players after Judge Susan Nelson’s injunction which at least temporarily ends the lockout. Owners may want to wait until an appeal is heard, but it’s not like Davis hasn’t broken ranks before. Even if Davis doesn’t want to use players, he can package draft picks from this year’s draft or future drafts, although the latter scenario is somewhat risky given there is no guarantee of a draft in future years.

If Oakland were to move up, my guess for a target would be Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith, a long and lean press coverage corner who has some issues but could be an instant replacement for Nnamdi Asomugha, expected to depart in free agency.

It will be interesting to see if any teams begin making offers to Asomugha in light of the injunction. Not doing so would risk a collusion charge.

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  • R8RNAZ

    First

  • R8RNAZ

    If we keep the current Rules Namdi could be back.

  • Harder2000

    Got a feeling he will be back! Big Al will pay up front and Awesome One will retire a Raider – eventually as a FS perhaps..
    Any news about Raider players intent to return to Alameda?

  • The Blackhole

    Trade up to get Patrick Peterson otherwise leave it alone Al

  • Pretty Rick

    Stay where we are and take the best O-lineman on the board.

  • Harder2000

    Patrick Peterson is an incredible talent though! Don’t see any possible way we could get him without breaking the bank, but he would certainly be a great addition – will be for whoever picks him (Cardinals?)..
    Besides DB, we need Oline, really hope that a potential trade doesnt happen on the account of Oline talent in this draft..

  • Kirk

    Great, another DB.

    Somebody to cover with his back turned while the fullback runs 80 yards for a touchdown.

    Deliver us from Crazy Al.

  • Al Davis MachoMachoSupremo

    If Coach trades up, please get Solder for it.

  • hwnrdr

    I don’t know…this could all get crazy for a while…

  • Buckeyeraider

    G’Morning fellas.

  • Silverandblack666

    I hope we do not trade up we need OL help and if we move up it will be for something other than OL I can assure you.

  • Pretty Rick

    Heard through the grapevine TB may release Aqib Talib. Might be a cheap pick up,,, but in the end I still think Nammdi stays,,, there’s a reason they’re getting rid of Huff and Gallerys salaries, if not I think Woodson can coach any cb we acquire into legit players.

  • bcz24

    Pretty Rick Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 8:14 am
    Heard through the grapevine TB may release Aqib Talib. Might be a cheap pick up,,, but in the end I still think Nammdi stays,,, there’s a reason they’re getting rid of Huff and Gallerys salaries, if not I think Woodson can coach any cb we acquire into legit players.
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    What makes you think we are ‘dumping’ Huffs salary? NFL rules would not allow us to tender him an offer until free agency had started. We will be more agressive signing Huff than Nnamdi.

  • Albinator

    Jerry is on point, yet again. Jimmy Smith is an “Al Davis type guy”.
    The Raiders should only trade up to get Pouncey or one of the top 3 corners (Peterson, Prince & Smith). Otherwise, keep the 48th and take one of the following: Rod Hudson (C/G, Florida St.) or Brandon Harris (CB, Miami). Based on Raider draft history chances are they’ll take a CB with the 2nd round pick and go for a OL in the 3rd.

  • bcz24

    Wouldnt mind Aqib if he were cheap, with an incentive laden deal. He would be a nice fit in our backfield, and I think Woodson could be the type of guy to get him on the right path in life.

  • Al Davis MachoMachoSupremo

    If Coach trades into the first round, please get Von Miller or Tyron Smith or Castonzo or Pouncey or Sherrod or Solder another quality O or D lineman and trade for Kolb as we will need a quality back-up/future QB. Keep Aso.

    Campbell needs good O linemen. Coach knows this.

  • noteasilyimpressed

    Stay at 48 and take Rodney Hudson!

  • Albinator

    yeah,…assuming the top 3 CB are gone I’m sort of agree with you Noteasy

  • Albinator

    I like Kolb too but he’s going to Arizona. Eagles will swap Kolb and their first rounder to move up and get Peterson.

  • YoungAmerican

    I’d love for the Raiders to use Nnamdi and Huff’s money to make a run at Santonio Holmes, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

    If the Raiders don’t draft a DB (which is unlikely, as they’ll be in prime position to take Dowling, House, Brown, Harris, and potentially even Jimmy Smith), Cromartie might be a fit. Don’t like him as a person, or his unwillingness to mix it up in the running game, but he’s a playmaker and a more than adequate press-man cover corner. He had a season much like Routt’s last season – limiting opposing QBs to something like a 40% completion percentage while playing across from one of the best CBs in the game. Would be a gamble, but if Asomugha isn’t coming back and the Raiders don’t draft a DB who can start right away, Cromartie would be a good fit. Sort of the opposite of Nnamdi – he may be inconsistent, but he’ll make plays on the ball and cause turnovers.

    Other potential targets in free agency (assuming the Raiders aren’t going to spend money on Nnamdi and Huff):

    OT Tyson Clabo
    OG Harvey Dahl
    FS Jarrad Page
    CB Richard Marshall

  • Silverandblack666

    Al wont touch Aqib he is done with criminals. We have been over this many times here in this BLOG with every other degenerate that becomes available because of legal trouble.

  • YoungAmerican

    The Raiders should not trade up for an offensive lineman. They’re right where they need to be if that’s what they’re looking for. Cannon, Wisniewski, Ijalana, and Carpenter may all be available.

    Ras-I Dowling and Curtis Brown would both be very solid picks at #48. Dave Razzano was saying the other day how Brown might be one of the best, if not the best press-man corners in the draft. Kid doesn’t hesitate to lay the wood, either.

    Greg Little would be a great pick, particularly from a value standpoint, if he’s there.

  • YoungAmerican

    Also, Marvin Austin would be a very solid pick from a value standpoint.

  • YoungAmerican

    Especially in a year where they have no first rounder, the Raiders need to look for a player who has first-round talent and falls to #48 for whatever reason. This would potentially be Dowling, Little, Austin, and maybe even Jimmy Smith or Ben Ijalana.

  • Silverandblack666

    Steve Smith wants out of Carolina.

  • Albinator

    Do you think Little has the speed to be a Raider? He’s a big dude. Remindes me of a younger David Boston,….before all the roids & HGH took over.

  • irjonny

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/22998/video-gruden-qb-camp-with-ryan-mallett

    if jackson convinced al to move up and get this guy, i would not be that mad. i think he is the only NFL ready qb on the board. to hell with his off the field stuff. one look at this guy and he is serious about being a quarterback in the nfl. not complacent at all.

    kaepernick needs a couple of years on the sideline which i’m ok with too.

    ONLY if we deal with the protection issue as well and early on can i justify a qb. our o-line is not okay. there will be free agency soon possibly tomorrow. all we are waiting on is an action by the players regarding the “stay” of the ruling. we might have free agency during the draft. then the appeals court will rule on a “stay” before deliberating on the appeal so hopefully we can get some movement going in free agency.

  • YoungAmerican

    # Albinator Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Do you think Little has the speed to be a Raider? He’s a big dude. Remindes me of a younger David Boston,….before all the roids & HGH took over.

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    I don’t think he has the kind of speed that Al usually covets. But he’s got more than enough football speed. He’s physical and is a sharp route runner – something Hue Jackson and Al Saunders could definitely use across from Jacoby Ford. Plus, on the field, the difference between a 4.5 and a 4.3 is negligible.

  • mcskinnnylegs

    dudes but it oc sports center there saying tood mcshay got word of a trade altready.hell be on in a minute

  • mcskinnnylegs

    put*

  • mcskinnnylegs

    i will do a back flip and brak my neck if we were able to get von miller we would have 1 of the nasties t 3-4 defenses.omg would i love to have this kid to team with k.wim and r.mc.( i know we dont play 3-4 but i heard a switch is coming)

  • severeraiderz

    Irjonny Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 9:02 am
    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/22998/video-gruden-qb-camp-with-ryan-mallett

    if jackson convinced al to move up and get this guy, i would not be that mad. i think he is the only NFL ready qb on the board. to hell with his off the field stuff. one look at this guy and he is serious about being a quarterback in the nfl. not complacent at all.

    kaepernick needs a couple of years on the sideline which i’m ok with too.

    ONLY if we deal with the protection issue as well and early on can i justify a qb. our o-line is not okay. there will be free agency soon possibly tomorrow. all we are waiting on is an action by the players regarding the “stay” of the ruling. we might have free agency during the draft. then the appeals court will rule on a “stay” before deliberating on the appeal so hopefully we can get some movement going in free agency.
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    Wouldn’t touch him….he has work ethic issues, not a leader, and lacks the “clutch gene”.

  • YoungAmerican

    Mallett is also stiff in the pocket. And that pocket isn’t exactly going to be around for long with the Raider o-line in the shape it’s in. He’s got a big arm, for sure, but very little touch on the ball.

    If Locker or Kaepernick fall to #48 I can see QB being the pick. Those two guys have a rare skill set and can make plays outside of the pocket. But they’re not going to fall. Dalton and Ponder will be out of reach, as well.

    A lot of 2nd and 3rd-tier QBs this year who have been elevated because of a weak draft class and the amount of teams desperately looking for “The Guy”. But there’s not much difference between Ponder/Dalton and Enderle/Devlin in terms of upside.

  • severeraiderz

    If we traded every pick we had except our second in an attempt to move up to get Patrick Peterson and we drafted him in the 1st and Marcus Gilbert in the 2nd, it would be a fantastic draft. Peterson is just a special talent IMO. He is gonna be a monster and he returns punts, which we are in need of.

  • bcz24

    Albinator Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 8:49 am
    I like Kolb too but he’s going to Arizona. Eagles will swap Kolb and their first rounder to move up and get Peterson.
    *************
    Eagles wont let Kolb go for less than a 1st rounder. They dont need to, they are quite content to let Kolb back up Vick.

  • severeraiderz

    oungAmerican Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 9:11 am
    Mallett is also stiff in the pocket. And that pocket isn’t exactly going to be around for long with the Raider o-line in the shape it’s in. He’s got a big arm, for sure, but very little touch on the ball.

    If Locker or Kaepernick fall to #48 I can see QB being the pick. Those two guys have a rare skill set and can make plays outside of the pocket. But they’re not going to fall. Dalton and Ponder will be out of reach, as well.

    A lot of 2nd and 3rd-tier QBs this year who have been elevated because of a weak draft class and the amount of teams desperately looking for “The Guy”. But there’s not much difference between Ponder/Dalton and Enderle/Devlin in terms of upside.
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    I think Kaepernick will be available and I would grab him with out hesitation. He would be raw enough where he wouldn’t immediately challenge for a starting spot, therefore not put too much pressure on Soup. Jason would also provide the perfect tutor, a great technician who can really sell the fake on play action, awesome throwing mechanics, pretty good footwork, is a film junkie, and just all around good teammate according to reports.

  • irjonny

    we can always use our 1st in 2012 to move up. i’m ok with not having a 1st rounder because using the following years 1st as trade ammo is always an option if there is a prospect in the 1st you can’t pass up.

    every qb in this draft has issues. malletts are issues off the field in the past and i think those go away quickly once he starts winning…and he will imo in the right system. brees, manning, brady, sanchez, flacco, ryan, bradford, all in the pockeet qbs. all playoff calibur or better. i don’t want a mobile qb. imo mallett will be a good qb in the nfl. not saying we should definately move to get him but it’s interesting.

  • YoungAmerican

    I don’t see Kaepernick falling past the Titans.

    If you’re right, I hope the Raiders pull off some moves in free agency and bring in more offensive line help.

  • YoungAmerican

    every qb in this draft has issues. malletts are issues off the field in the past and i think those go away quickly once he starts winning…and he will imo in the right system. brees, manning, brady, sanchez, flacco, ryan, bradford, all in the pockeet qbs. all playoff calibur or better. i don’t want a mobile qb. imo mallett will be a good qb in the nfl. not saying we should definately move to get him but it’s interesting.

    ————–

    Mallett is also a Bobby Petrino QB. I don’t recall any of those guys ever being truly successful as a starting QB in this league, no matter how many snaps they take from under center in college.

    A big arm is the least important aspect of a QB. It’s SLIGHTLY more important with the Raiders because of the type of routes the WRs run, but you still have to be accurate and a good decision maker. Mallett is neither of those things on a consistent basis.

    Maybe his off-the-field issues go away with winning. Maybe they get worse when he has millions of dollars. This isn’t even a Raiders team that can win right away, nor is he a guy who should play right away. Lack of mobility, both in and out of the pocket, is a concern when the team has a hard time maintaining the pocket. Do not see Mallett as a fit in any way, and there’s no way the Raiders should trade up for him. I’d consider him if he fell to the third round.

  • severeraiderz

    Irjonny Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 9:24 am
    we can always use our 1st in 2012 to move up. i’m ok with not having a 1st rounder because using the following years 1st as trade ammo is always an option if there is a prospect in the 1st you can’t pass up.

    every qb in this draft has issues. malletts are issues off the field in the past and i think those go away quickly once he starts winning…and he will imo in the right system. brees, manning, brady, sanchez, flacco, ryan, bradford, all in the pockeet qbs. all playoff calibur or better. i don’t want a mobile qb. imo mallett will be a good qb in the nfl. not saying we should definately move to get him but it’s interesting.
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////

    I dont care about a mobile QB, with our system i think it is important to have a QB that can execut the bootleg. Pocket presence is more important, it is a trait that all of the above QB’s have and that Mallett lacks. He has the same skill set of Andrew Walter, and the same weaknesses.

    Your argument about his off the field issues and lack of work ethic reminds me of the same argument made by the people who argued against my desire for us to Draft Megatron over the player that shall not be named. They all said forget work ethic, this kid can throw the rock. Forget lack of leadership, he has a cannon for an arm. In the NFL Mallett could be Joe Flacco or he could be the other guy, right now he is a lot closer to the other guy.

  • Nnamdi21

    RNS posted this about Jimmy Smith yesterday.

    He really seems like a Raider and his past F ups seem like they are behind him.

    GET HIM AL! then sign Aso! Two shut down corners!

    “We’re thinking the Raiders will need to move up to get him. If they’re going DB day one, they absolutely should.”

    http://raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle

  • irjonny

    severeraiderz

    valid point. just throwing stuff around.

    marcus cannon has lymphoma and has to go through maybe 24 weeks of chemo starting immediately. so there goes that idea. doctor said he might not be ready to play.

  • irjonny

    what did todd mcshay say about a trade??

  • YoungAmerican

    Damn. Shame about Marcus Cannon. Kid has talent. Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

  • Nnamdi21

    Kaepernick should be the Raiderts pick if they go QB but I like the Smith idea ESPECIALLY if Nnamdi goes bye bye and even if he don’t!

  • Nnamdi21

    42. God speed Cannon

  • Nnamdi21

    WAIT! Everyone says he DOESN’T have cancer? wth?!

  • YoungAmerican

    Luckily for Cannon, it won’t require a bone to be replaced as it did with Herzelich. Kid can definitely make a full recovery, but he’ll have an uphill climb. I hope he’ll get his shot at an NFL career soon enough.

  • irjonny

    they did a battery of tests to show marcus doesn’t have testicular cancer, which is true but the tests showed positive for lymphoma. doctor said it’s in his stomach and he will undergo chemo treatment for possibly 24 weeks. good luck cannon…bad break but he will still get drafted. can’t be any worse than the ravens picking sergio kindle lol. at least jamarcus played.

  • bcz24

    can’t be any worse than the ravens picking sergio kindle
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    Kindle busted his noggin AFTER the Ravens drafted him