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Raiders out of first round . . . for now

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, April 26th, 2011 at 7:17 am in Oakland Raiders.

As it stands, the Raiders won’t have a draft pick in the first round for the first time since 1989.

However, as Steve Corkran writes in today’s Bay Area News Group papers, owner Al Davis has a history of trading up and it wouldn’t be shocking if he were to package draft picks to get into the first round Thursday night if there is a player on the board he wants.

And here’s a move that is strictly conjecture on my part but so very Raider _ swinging a deal with the New England Patriots to get the 17th pick back that was surrendered in the trade for defensive tackle Richard Seymour.

Oakland is an active trade partner with New England, including dealing up to get Mario Henderson, trading Randy Moss for a fourth-round pick and dealing Doug Gabriel to New England for a draft pick.

Teams are now free to make trades with players after Judge Susan Nelson’s injunction which at least temporarily ends the lockout. Owners may want to wait until an appeal is heard, but it’s not like Davis hasn’t broken ranks before. Even if Davis doesn’t want to use players, he can package draft picks from this year’s draft or future drafts, although the latter scenario is somewhat risky given there is no guarantee of a draft in future years.

If Oakland were to move up, my guess for a target would be Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith, a long and lean press coverage corner who has some issues but could be an instant replacement for Nnamdi Asomugha, expected to depart in free agency.

It will be interesting to see if any teams begin making offers to Asomugha in light of the injunction. Not doing so would risk a collusion charge.

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  • irjonny

    i know not their fault…still funny though

  • aig-raiders

    Pls no more DB’s in the first or 2nd round.

  • http://www.raiders.com/ r8eray

    SkinnyLegs, what did he say?

  • YoungAmerican

    Texans want to move up for Peterson.

  • RaiderRockstar

    WITCH WAY THE RAIDERS GOING THIS WEEKEND,O-LINE,MAYBE A QB,WHATS UR OPINION ?

    ***

    Dirt Lot,

    I’m for fixing the offense with this draft. Leave the doggone defense alone unless you need some late-round DB’s for competition

    and PLEASE no more young WR’s for Sanjay Lal to “coach up”. He has his hands full with DHB, Murphy, Ford & Nmiller. Plus Glass Schilens

    if Al Davis wants a speedster WR, I hope he waits for Ricardo Lockette or Aldrick Robinson in Round 7. perhaps a pending UFA like Jarred Fayson or D’Andre Goodwin

    I would take a QB at #48. I suspect Ryan Mallett, Andy Dalton & Colin Kaepernick will all be available

  • severeraiderz

    YoungAmerican Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 9:26 am
    I don’t see Kaepernick falling past the Titans.

    If you’re right, I hope the Raiders pull off some moves in free agency and bring in more offensive line help.
    /////////////////////////////////////////////////

    I think that the Titans will opt for a more traditional style of QB and may even wait for a guy like Devlin or Tolzien or take Stanzi, who could fall as a result of the surge made by Dalton and Ponder.

    If we got Kaepernick in the second we could still get Marcus Gilbert or Demarcus Love in the 3rd, Van Dyke in the 4th, Culliver in the 5th(or Mana Silva later), and go BPA after that. I would really like us to look at Vidal Hazelton as a late round or free agent pick up at WR, Allen Bradford as a potential RB to FB convert, and Jerrell Powe whose weight issues at DT could cause him to drop, but whose perseverance is so incredible i couldnt see how he couldnt at least make the practice squad.

  • RaiderRockstar

    I like 2 of these kids, if we can get them in Round 3 & 4 …

    Stefen Wisniewski
    Kristofer O’Dowd
    Brandon Fusco
    Orlando Franklin
    Marcus Gilbert
    James Brewer
    Will Rackley
    John Moffitt
    Clint Boling

  • http://www.raiders.com/ r8eray

    Had a dream that we drafted Dalton.

  • irjonny

    in case u missed it.

    judge nelson has ordered the players to respond by early wednesday to the leagues request for a stay in the ruling. of course players will deny.

    the players have asked nelson to force a new league year. nfl has until afternoon on wednesday to respond. (i know kinda weird)

    judge nelson can ultimately make the decision from what i gather.

    players are pushing to get free agency during draft and most think it might happen. that could be a good thing and a bad thing for the raiders. we could move around players, but unless we have something already set up. Aso’s agent could sign him anywhere as well especially once peterson is off the board teams would freak. hopefully aso already has somethin set up with davis.

  • DKnight007

    YoungAmerican Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 9:11 am
    Mallett is also stiff in the pocket. And that pocket isn’t exactly going to be around for long with the Raider o-line in the shape it’s in. He’s got a big arm, for sure, but very little touch on the ball.

    If Locker or Kaepernick fall to #48 I can see QB being the pick. Those two guys have a rare skill set and can make plays outside of the pocket.

    ^^^^^^
    I would rather have Kap and Locker ahead of Mallett. They can improvise.

    Sucks about Cannon, but maybe they can still draft him in Round 5?

    How serious is this about Cannon does he have the cancer yet or will they just be trying to prevent it? Wonder how this is coming out now? Raiders need to check on this and make sure.

  • bcz24

    I would take a QB at #48. I suspect Ryan Mallett, Andy Dalton & Colin Kaepernick will all be available
    ***********
    I will physically vomit if we draft Ryan Mallett. I would be happy with Dalton, admittedly I dont know much about Kaepernick.

  • bcz24

    Schefter just tweeted about Cannon. Stage 3 non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. He receives his first chemo treatment tomorrow. 90% success rate with treatment.

  • http://www.raiders.com/ r8eray

    Here are your options for the Oakland Raiders with the No. 48 pick.

    Please give your reason why you are making the pick in the comment section below.

    1. Ras-I Dowling

    2. Brandon Harris

    3. Colin Kaepernick

    4. Stefen Wisniewski

    Comment:

  • irjonny

    personally i think kaepernick is the way to go if we get a qb. i like mallett and think he will be good, but kaepernick needs a little time to adjust to system before starting and we have a starter already. it’s a perfect fit and campbell would be a great teacher imo.

    we really really need o-line and we all know that. but without free agency it’s all best available regardless of position. kaepernick is the best on the board at #48 imo if he’s there.

  • YoungAmerican

    Van Dyke should not be in play until the 6th round, at earliest. Kid wasn’t even that good at Miami. Has length and speed, but no physicality. There will be a plethora of players who are much better prospects available in the 4th round.

    Personally? I wouldn’t draft Van Dyke at all.

  • YoungAmerican

    Mallett would be a terrible pick. Dalton won’t be available. Kaepernick likely won’t be, either.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Groves says he wouldnt be surprised to find JC at the facility. Jc is a pro’s pro, & he has the respect of the entire locker room! I cant wait for football season!

  • YoungAmerican

    O’Dowd makes Jake Grove look like he’s made of steel.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Raiders will move up depending how fast the QBs go in the first round;

    if all of the top QBs: Newton, Gabbert, Locher, Ponder, Dalton, Mallett, & Kapernick get drafted in the first 40 picks then some quality OL/DBs will fall to the Raiders at #48

    long shot at a WR at #48 could be Little of UNC as well.

  • YoungAmerican

    Best player available is really the only way to draft. Obviously, if you have to choose between a few very talented guys, you choose the one who best fits what you need. But reaching for a “need” pick leads to draft busts really setting your team back.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    wow am I dreaming? Davis & Hi Jack in lock step. Hu jcack & campbell also of one mind. The Hc and qb are the leaders for our team, THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    Funny, HueJack just said the draft is about need.

  • RaiderRetribution

    DaQuan Bowers seems to be falling due to long term ailment, teams only see him playing for a few years.

    Al drafts and makes personeel decions to win now; should Bowers fall beyond the 16th pick I could see Al moving up to get him to play now, pay now, and win Now!

  • YoungAmerican

    # KoolKell Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Funny, HueJack just said the draft is about need.

    ————-

    Yep. It worries me, because god knows what Al Davis thinks the Raiders’ “needs” are.

  • http://www.raiders.com/ r8eray

    YA, I’d be p!$$ed if the Raiders draft Taiwan in the 2nd!

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Hu Jack said the o-line is the main are of need, and the game is won and lost in the trenches. Dont worry fellas, we will see quality o-line play and new blood in the oline for 2011. There will also be a cb taken. With so many qb needy teams there will plenty of quality for us to choose from

  • irjonny

    raiders won’t draft a WR early imo. we have all young guys at the position. if we get a WR at all it would be a vet. santana moss, ochocinco, steve smith etc.

    every position is a “need” for us this year. so if we stay at 48 will be best available. i really really think hujack gets his qb if we have to move up al will do it. al and hue have great respect for one another it looks like and hue is known for “developing”. it’s either QB, OG, DB (hopefully not), or OLB in my opinion.

  • YoungAmerican

    I don’t think it’ll be Taiwan in the second… but I was wrong about DHB in the 1st, and couldn’t have even fathomed the Mitchell pick, so who knows.

  • Gust372
  • YoungAmerican

    DB and O-line are the two positions where “need” and “best player available” will coincide at #48.

  • http://www.raiders.com/ r8eray

    Irjonny Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 10:31 am
    raiders won’t draft a WR early imo. we have all young guys at the position. if we get a WR at all it would be a vet. santana moss, ochocinco, steve smith etc.

    every position is a “need” for us this year. so if we stay at 48 will be best available. i really really think hujack gets his qb if we have to move up al will do it. al and hue have great respect for one another it looks like and hue is known for “developing”. it’s either QB, OG, DB (hopefully not), or OLB in my opinion.

    —————————

    OLB…Casey Matthews Oregon

    http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2011/0128/dm_110128_ncf_casey_matthews_int.jpg

    Will be available 4-5th RD!

  • YoungAmerican

    Actually, KoolKell, here’s what Hue said:

    “You’re always looking,” Jackson said. “If there’s a great player out there, I don’t want to pass him up if we have a chance to put him on our team and he’s a true difference-maker for this organization. I don’t think anybody would. So, there’s no position that we wouldn’t look at. It’s a very young, talented team that we have.”

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/04/24/SPP91J64H7.DTL#ixzz1KeUQZYMJ

  • severeraiderz

    R8eray Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 10:06 am
    Here are your options for the Oakland Raiders with the No. 48 pick.

    Please give your reason why you are making the pick in the comment section below.

    1. Ras-I Dowling

    2. Brandon Harris

    3. Colin Kaepernick

    4. Stefen Wisniewski

    Comment: Kaepernick, if available, should be the pick. he has all the tools that it takes to be a good and potentialy great QB and the intangibles o match. He has a very strong arm, has displayed the ability to deliver the ball with accuracy and touch, has a super work ethic, is a natural leader, was super productive and a winner, and has position versatility. Has tons of experience and carried his team with clutch play. The pistol, though it is still a shotgun offense, is closer to a pro style system than the spread.

    Wiz is overrated in my opinion and i would prefer Gilbert if we go o-line there, Ras I Dowling wont be able to play man up in the NFL IMO, and we could get Van Dyke or Chekwa in the 3rd or 4th

  • YoungAmerican

    Van Dyke or Chekwa in the 3rd or 4th? Now THAT is reaching. Neither of those guys are good at all. If you think Dowling won’t be able to hold up in man coverage in the NFL, I don’t know why you’d think Van Dyke would be able to.

    Curtis Brown, Davon House, and Brandon Harris will be there if Dowling isn’t. Curtis Brown is probably one of the better man corners in this draft. Like him a lot. A bunch of scouts do, too. Apparently the Raiders had him in for a workout.

    Still, I’m hoping the run on QBs means Ben Ijalana will be available.

  • irjonny

    casey mathews would be a plug and play player day one. with groves and wimbley in rotation would be a no brainer even in rnd 3 in my opinion if the draft goes that way.

    imo we need at least 1 guards and 1 tackle to help the o-line, 1 vet wr, 1 qb to develop, 1 TE and a blocking FB. the raiders have gone defense heavy lately i expect an offensive push for players this offseason

    raiders 2010

    pass def- 2nd
    run def- 29th
    pass off- 23rd
    rush off- 2nd

    fix the pass offense = help the run defense a whole bunch. points points points.

  • RaiderRetribution

    7 qbs = newton, locher, gabbert, mallett, dalton, kaepernick, ponder
    4 wrs = jones, green, hankerson, young
    1 rb = ingram
    1 te = rudolph
    5 OTs = smith, costanzo, sherrod, carimi, solder
    1 g/c = pouncey

    10 DEs = quinn, jordan, bowers, heyward, sheard, clayborn, smith, kerrigan, wilkerson, watt

    7 dts = dareus, liuget, fairley, taylor, nevis, austin, paea

    2 olb = miller, ayers

    3 cbs = peterson, amukamara, smith

    2 s = moore, tarrant

    these are the 43 players that I think are a lock to go before our 48th overall selection

    therefore the Raiders have a legit shot at

    OLs: Wisniewski, Cannon, Taylor, Hudson, Ijalana, CB: B. Harris, C Brown, LB M. Wilson, WR Little

    if the Raiders are eying more than one of these (or another one that may be on the bottom tier of the 43 that are still available); Raiders could even move back and get more selections.

  • YoungAmerican

    The Raiders definitely need more offensive firepower. A second pass-catching TE will help Hue stretch the field horizontally. He loves those multiple TE sets.

    I don’t think there will be a WR drafted high, but I also don’t see the Raiders will be bringing in any veterans. I just think that Greg Little will be able to step in immediately and pay huge dividends for the offense. He won’t be some “project” guy who needs extra attention like DHB does. IF he’s there at #48 – and with his stock rising, that’s becoming a big if – it could be a home-run pick at a tremendous value.

  • severeraiderz

    YoungAmerican Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 10:18 am
    Van Dyke should not be in play until the 6th round, at earliest. Kid wasn’t even that good at Miami. Has length and speed, but no physicality. There will be a plethora of players who are much better prospects available in the 4th round.

    Personally? I wouldn’t draft Van Dyke at all.
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////

    I’d take him in the 4th or 5th. he is a thin long guy and would have to put on weigh, but he doesn’t shy away from contact and was a gunner on special teams. He will be on Al’s radar cuz he ran a 4.28 officially, is a corner from a school that has a tradition of putting out good players from the secondary, has great feet and hips, and doesnt shy away from contact to spite his size. Is one of those guys with great natural talent and who i think will be better in the pros than he was in college, especially with Woodson teaching him how to play the position.

  • irjonny

    trade our 1st in 2012 for carimi or solder draft kaepernick, then OG or mathews??

  • YoungAmerican

    Trading the 2012 first rounder would remove the Raiders from any possibility of hitting it big in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

  • RaiderRetribution

    I’m with you Young American, we keep our 2012 1st round selection: should we suffer multiple injuries and have a set back season we are in the running for Luck, with our 2012 and 2013 1st round we could potentially move up to get Luck.

  • irjonny

    i don’t think we will have enough ammo for andrew luck anyways. no way to bottom team trades that pick imo.

  • RaiderRetribution

    of the 52 players I listed above, I would be exstatic with the Raiders drafting any one of them, so I hope we do not pay too much to move up in the late 1st round or earlier 2nd round.

  • YoungAmerican

    There’s always the chance that the Raiders earn that pick outright. Nothing is guaranteed going into this season.

  • severeraiderz

    YoungAmerican Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 10:45 am
    Van Dyke or Chekwa in the 3rd or 4th? Now THAT is reaching. Neither of those guys are good at all. If you think Dowling won’t be able to hold up in man coverage in the NFL, I don’t know why you’d think Van Dyke would be able to.

    Curtis Brown, Davon House, and Brandon Harris will be there if Dowling isn’t. Curtis Brown is probably one of the better man corners in this draft. Like him a lot. A bunch of scouts do, too. Apparently the Raiders had him in for a workout.

    Still, I’m hoping the run on QBs means Ben Ijalana will be available.
    /////////////////////////////////////////////

    I just think that Dowling is more cut out for a zone scheme than the straight up man coverage that we play. Van Dyke and Chekwa both offer special teams value and could play the smaller slot receivers that are popular in the NFL now. Both are tall thin guys, Chekwa is a little bigger and more physical than Van Dayke, and both have the length and leaping ability to go up for jump balls. Speed is a premium at corner and bot have it in abundance. Chekwa is the better prospect at this point, but i think with the proper technique taught to him Van Dyke can be a very good player. 3rd is probably too high for both but a mid fourth for Chekwa seems right on time and i wouldnt mind a gamble on van Dyke there either. Curtis Brown would be the perfect fit at corner for us but he will be gone by the time we pick.

    Ben Ijalan would be availabe even without the run on QB’s IMO. He lacks killer instinct and and seems like he gets lost on the field at times. is very strong and powerful but doenst always work with the proper pad level and allowas guys to get under him. Plus he played at Villanova. Id trade back in the second a pick up an extra pick or 2 if he was gonna be the pick. I still prefer Gilber over most tackles in this draft, i also like Sherrod.

  • bcz24

    fix the pass offense = help the run defense a whole bunch. points points points.
    *********************
    We were the #6 overall scoring team in the NFL last year. That improved our run defense from 31st to 29th. We need to fix the run defense by actually addressing the run defense.

  • RaiderRetribution

    I think next years draft is going to be better/deeper int he first round

    this draft is 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round deep

    after Peterson, Dareus, Miller, Jordan, Jones, and Green the rest could be taken anywhere from the top ten to the 40′s

  • irjonny

    true. the raiders could always go 0-16. not likely though. hujacks 1st year at coach. he gets qb and o-line early imo this year. if campbell struggles hujack has a safety net. just makes sense in most respects.

  • RaiderRetribution

    two things will help our run defense:

    1st) better run tackling by our linebackers (getting tired of DBs being blamed for LBs responsibilities) [especially when we play primarily man to man];

    2nd) offense scoring early, therefore we need to improve our passing game (having a great running game will solidify us with a record anywhere from 10-6 to 6-10 for years to come maybe making the playoffs, maybe not).

  • irjonny

    We were the #6 overall scoring team in the NFL last year. That improved our run defense from 31st to 29th. We need to fix the run defense by actually addressing the run defense.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    not saying we should ignore it, just saying we could go either way at this point and offense seems like the obvious choice to me.

    im probably in the minority thinking our defense is good overall going into 2012. if we improve the offense we win the division i think.