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Who would Raiders trade to get into Round 1?

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, April 28th, 2011 at 7:29 am in Oakland Raiders.

Chances are the NFL will continue non-business as usual and there will be no trading of players for purposes of maneuvering in tonight’s first round of the NFL draft.

League spokesman Greg Aiello said teams will proceed as they have been until further notice.

But what if the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals rules against the NFL at some point today and suddenly teams are free to deal?

The Raiders don’t pick until No. 48 this year, in the middle of the second round, as a reward for their rise to mediocrity and an 8-8 record. Picking that late will make it more difficult to trade back into the first round, as opposed to past years when their second-round pick was something approximating a selection in the late first.

We won’t know until tonight how conservative teams are going to in acquiring picks for drafts in future years when there is a even a slight chance they could be eliminated because of anti-trust concerns. No sense in trading for a future lottery ticket if it can’t be cashed.

(Honestly, with both the players and owners wanting to continue the draft, and being the attraction that it is, I have a hard time envisioning it going away. But you never know how a team will react to when it’s not set in stone).

If the Raiders (and everyone else) were free to trade to get into Round 1, who would be on the block?

First, eliminate anyone not under contract.

That list would include, most notably, Michael Bush, Zach Miller, Nnamdi Asomugha, Samson Satele and Robert Gallery.

Kamerion Wimbley has signed his franchise tender, but don’t expect teams to come calling with his mammoth $11 exclusive franchise figure. Other huge deals unlikely to draw interest would be defensive tackles Richard Seymour and Tommy Kelly cornerback Stanford Routt, running back Darren McFadden, and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey. Unless Al Davis is truly peeved at Shane Lechler for his criticism of the Tom Cable firing, he’s sticking around as well. As is place kicker Sebastian Janikowski.

The players of real value in terms of reasonable contracts and potential future production are the core of the youth movement which has helped put the franchise back on its feet in terms of won-loss record.

The offers would likely come for the following players: wide receivers Louis Murphy and Jacoby Ford, middle linebacker Rolando McClain, left tackle Jared Veldheer, defensive linemen Matt Shaughnessy, Lemarr Houston and Trevor Scott (although he’s rehabbing an ACL) and safety Tyvon Branch.

All are relative bargains in terms of acquired salary in a future where the cap status is uncertain and have demonstrated promise.

Do you deal the players you already know to draft one that you don’t?

Again, the “trading players” scenario is unlikely at this point, but the thought of it is worth killing some time until 5 p.m.

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  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    Anybody else see this article: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/26757/does-oakland-have-another-cb-option ?

    I tried to make it to the chat yesterday to ask Jerry what he thought about it, but missed it.

  • RaiderDuck

    Wouldn’t mind Jenkins, as long as he can lay off the herb during the season.

    DraftCountdown.com has us taking Mallett in the 2nd, and Stefen Wiz in the 3rd.

    Wiz would be fine.

    Mallett cares more about “thuggin’ it” than about actually being a QB. In other words, a thin white JaMarcus. Pass.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Cooper Carlisle might get about the same value as Kirk did last year.

    Package a mid 5th and Carlisle to the Seahawks, to move up to the late 4th round.

    Basically about 20 draft slots in the mid rounds.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Trade Jon Condo!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Here’s my annual draft predictions:

    -Raiders will take a QB in one of it’s first two picks.

    -If the Raiders trade up, it will be for a DB or QB. They will not trade up for an O-lineman.

    -No defensive lineman will be drafted

    -Andy Dalton will get picked ahead of Jake Locker

    -Ryan Mallet will not get picked in the top 50

    -Pats will use #17 on Mark Ingram and than trade out of #28

    -Wiz 2.0 will be there when we draft in the 2nd, and may last until the 3rd round, but not where we pick in the 3rd.

    -Casey Matthews will be there when we pick in the 3rd, and Al Davis won’t even have him on his draft board (Too small and slow)

    -We will take Byron Bell (OT, UNM) in either the 6th or 7th round

    -Ryan Williams and Leonard Hankerson will be 2nd round steals by whoever drafts them.

    -Nate Solder will get picked by the Colts; and be a massive bust

    That’s enough for now…..

  • RaiderDuck

    While I’d love us to have Casey Matthews, it won’t happen. LB is just not a position of need. No reason to take one when there will still be help available for the OL and Secondary, and/or a good developmental QB.

  • severeraiderz

    Casey Matthews will be a solid player, but nothing special IMO. He doesn’t have near the talent that Clay has and is smaller.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Jerry said yesterday in his chat we will not take any LB’s that are 5’11.

    Casey Matthews at 5’11, 230 and a pedestrian 4.8 forty, would probably not get Al’s attention even in the 6th round.

  • BloodRaider

    Been watching Mallett here in Arkansas for the last 3 years, the kid is the real deal, don’t believe the negative hype. That said, if we took him, he would make us all go crazy with amazingly great then horrible play.

  • ELWAYs TEETH

    I think we need to find a way to get Colin Kaepernick. This guy is the real deal.

  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    @BloodRaider

    Another Arkansan on this blog? WTF?

  • Just Fire Baby

    Mallett is going to get beat to a pulp in the NFL.

    Big tall guy will be a big target in the pocket, and with his lack of athleticism or build (dude seems very skinny), he will get knocked around and eventually out of the league in a handful of years, IMO.

  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    @10

    I’m inclined to agree if he’s there at #48, but we need to get a steal for the Oline in the third if we do.

  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; Seriously, I Hate That Guy…) Says:
    April 28th, 2011 at 7:35 am
    Anybody else see this article: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/26757/does-oakland-have-another-cb-option ?

    I tried to make it to the chat yesterday to ask Jerry what he thought about it, but missed it.

    ************

    tl;dr version:

    Instead of trading our 2nd, next years 1st, and a late rounder to trade up and get a 1st for a CB this year (smith?), wait for the supplemental draft, use a first rounder on Janoris Jenkins and lose our 2012 1st rounder only.

  • severeraiderz

    I was thinking about Jenkins the instant i saw that he got dismissed…i just hopes that he last until the 3rd round of the supplemental draft cuz i dont want to give up a second or a first for him, though he could be worth it. SD only gave up a 3rd for Paul Oliver and teams were high on him when he entered the supplemental draft.

  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    I’m not 100% clear on how the supplemental draft bidding process works, but from what I do understand, I wouldn’t be opposed to using a 1st on him, and a 2nd would make me thrilled.

  • BloodRaider

    @RedneckRaider
    the nation is everywhere.

    Woo Pig

  • Just Fire Baby

    Who is the last above average player to come from the Sup draft?

    We always hear about these guys leading up to it, than nothing really after that. Jamal Williams ten years ago would probably be the best one of late.

    4 of the last 5 first round picks from the Sup draft are Bosworth, RB Bobby Humphrey, and QB’s Dave Brown and Tim Rosenbaugh. YIKES!!!

    No way to give up a 1st round pick for a guy who can’t stay in line AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA!!!

    It’s not like it is Harvard, they let you get away with quite a bit in Gainesville if you can ball.

  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    @JustFireBaby

    I’m again honestly not all that familiar with the supplemental draft as I said before. But the linked article claims he was the potential #1 rated CB for 2012 and top 11 pick had he entered the draft in 2011

  • severeraiderz

    -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN530mre3D4

    1:02 is why i like him a lot as an NFL corner, Nate Clements like

  • Silverandblack666

    I say forget the 1st round try to get 2 second round picks instead.

  • El Tato

    If we trade into the 1st round I think we take Kaepernick.

  • El Tato

    I dont want us to trade into the first, maybe trade up in the 2nd to get a slipping player or a QB they really like a lot to develop after JCampbell.

  • HairyBush

    Chances are the NFL will continue non-business as usual
    ——————————————-
    I’m so tired of this, Let’s get free agency started already.

  • CJ Legend 34

    There is no way I trade up that far in the first round and loose additional picks. This is a weak draft and it is slim on bllue chip players. Don’t get caught up in the hype. We are right there at 8-8 last year. Our team is gaining confidence and we had a very smart draft last year. We need and olineman first and a good one will be available at 48.

    Lastly, be smart Al and sign Nnamdi back. There is no one in the draft that has his proven talent. We would be given someone in the league our best player for what? NOTHING.

  • CJ Legend 34

    If we are dumb enough to trade into the first round we better risk at on a QB prospect or Corner.
    —————————–
    22.El Tato Says:
    April 28th, 2011 at 8:26 am
    If we trade into the 1st round I think we take Kaepernick.

  • severeraiderz

    i like Kaepernick a lot and think he will be a really good player in this league. He has all of the physical attributes and intangibles to succeed. Has a strong arm, has displayed touch and accuracy, good athleticism, is a great leader, and is super hard worker “gym rat” type. His cons are that he came from non-pro offense,but the pistol is closer to a pro style offense than the spread that Gabbert played in (and still only managed to throw for 16 tds!!!). Another con is that he has a 3/4 side arm release, but Phillip Rivers has a funky release as well and both of these guys can throw the deep ball very well.

  • CJ Legend 34
  • El Tato

    Kaepernick reminds me Roethlisberger, but you never know until you see them on the field.

  • ELWAYs TEETH

    If we pass on an opportunity to take Colin Kaepernick,
    we’ll be kicking ourselves for years. Come on Al, pull the trigger, get a deal done!

  • Just Fire Baby

    My mock (not much has changed in a month):

    2nd (or trade up) – Colin Kapernick, QB

    3rd – Ben Ijalana, T

    4th – Demarius Moore, WR

    5th – Justin Rogers, DB/KR

    6th – Byron Bell, OT

    7th – Adrian Moten, OLB

  • Just Fire Baby

    I predicted both the DHB and RoMac picks, a good 4-5 months in advance the last two years.

    Not as early on the draw this year, but I have been saying we will trade up for Kappy for close to 2 months now.

    About to bring it to 3 years in a row!!!

  • Pretty Rick

    Stay put and take the best O-lineman available. We need some fat smelly ugly M-F’ers on the front line. The only guy worth trading up for to me is Patrick Peterson and he’ll be gone by the 5th pick latest. We don’t need to fork out another super contract,, if we do then just give it to Naamdi.

  • http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ KoolKell

    I predicted 4-5 months ago Al Davis would get into the 1st round. I sure hope I’m wrong.

  • CJ Legend 34

    After all Al went through with Russell in the frist round do you really think Al goes after another QB in the first round? I know this kid is upose to be a saint and all but man first round QBs are tough on the wallet even when you have a wallet as big as Al’s.

  • http://www.raiders.com/ r8eray

    Casey Matthews ILB Oregon
    6′-1″ 232 40/4.78

    ——————

    Ray Lewis
    6′-1″ 250 40/?

    Ray had alot to prove…people (scouts) saying he was too short for his position….look at him now!

  • CJ Legend 34

    I am with Pretty Rick we need to get some o-lineman to protect a QB like Kaepernick. At least he has the speed to get out the pocket and run for his life.

    If we take Mallet who I have a feeling will not be there at #48 he will be a sitting duck. Outside of his mobility I just question if the guy can fill presure well. OSU’s defense crushed the guy!

  • CJ Legend 34

    Also fogot Mallet gave that bowl game away uaginst OSU under stress. Worse QB read all year.

  • http://www.raiders.com/ r8eray

    Vegas, Ijalana won’t be there in the 3rd…..I thought you were in Vegas?

  • Carl Weathers

    Davis isn’t drafting a QB, no way no how. Campbell is his Plunkett and he can still taste the disappointment that was Russell.

    If he moves up into the first round, it’s for a corner.

  • Silverandblack666

    What a Qb does in college is rarely relates to what he can accomplish in the NFL.

    I think taking any Qb is a crap shoot anymore.

    Kim Newton will be the next Jamarcus Russell IMO

  • http://www.raiders.com/ r8eray

    Jimmy Smith flunked three drug tests at Colorado, and he told at least one club that one of the three was for misusing codeine.

    Nnnoooooo….not CODEINE!!!!!!

    Al, don’t waste your time with this guy!

  • Carl Weathers

    I don’t understood the emphasis on a LB’s height. WR, QB, DL I can understand but a LB? WTF does it matter if he’s 6’0″ or 6’3″?

  • Silverandblack666

    Carl Weathers

    You are exactly 100% correct if he moves up its for a corner.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Teeth & Red

    Kaepernick in the 2nd round & Florida’s Gilbert in the 3rd round, this would give us a legit future QB and a solid right tackle for years to come.

  • Jonesy941

    i’d take clay’s lil bro if we can get him with later round pick but i’d have to say our first 3 picks are Qb,CB,OL and not in that order just areas of need

  • SharkCatcher

    Just fire baby….show me the data that you predicted dhb would be our pick! The archives are right there. I’ll be waiting.

  • RedneckRaider (The Real MaddenRaider-Hater; seriously, I hate that guy…)

    @45

    I’m inclined to agree, although I’ve seen mocks putting Gilbert into the 4th as well.

    1- Kaeper
    2- Wiz
    3- Gilbert

    Supplemental – Jenkins

    ..drool..

  • Jonesy941

    sounds good #45

  • RaiderRetribution

    Kool I agree with you, [egads I might have to turn in my republican card...lol]; I really hope AL does not trade up into the first round.

    I’m okay with the Raiders giving up a 5th or 6th to move up a few spots in the 2nd round.