Harsh Van Dyke review
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, April 29th, 2011 at 6:49 pm in Oakland Raiders.
At the risk of being the you-know-what in the punch bowl, here’s the analysis of Russ Lande, the draft analyst for the Sporting News, on Raiders third-round pick (No. 81 overall) DeMarcus Van Dyke of Miami:
Van Dyke is a three-year starter & four-year player at CB for the Hurricanes in 2010. He was benched during the middle of the season. He has a lean, lanky frame with some definite growth potential to add strength for the position at the next level. He is a very good overall athlete with excellent speed, range, & quickness in his play. He is not a consistent or disciplined coverage player, despite his physical & athletic qualities. He has great reach, feet, & hips as a press m/m coverage player. He can play in tight m/m coverage down the field, but has very little production on the ball in the air over the course of his career. He tends to guess & jumps underneath as an off m/m & zone coverage player. He is more of a typical, finesse player for his position in run support & as a tackler. He tends to catch & drag-down as a tackler. He will grab & miss or else swipes at ankles a lot. He is not very productive in any phase of the game this season. Overall, he deserves late 5th round draft consideration due to his excellent physical & athletic qualities. However, he appears to be more of a tease, than an actual prospect with potential to develop. He reminds me a lot of a combination of former Buckeye Donald Washington [4th round-#102-KC] & former Bearcat Brandon Underwood [6th round-#187-GB].
Rod Woodson worked out VanDyke and Brandon Harris at Miami.
The Raiders also picked up the No. 92 pick from New England in Round 3, as well as No. 125 in Round 4, in exchanged for next year’s second-round draft pick.
Guess they don’t think much of next year’s Round 2. Or they’ll simply make a trade next year and get back into it.
[You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.]
April 29th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
1st
April 29th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
With a Run Defense like ours, and a penciled necked corner back there, ugh.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
KK et al …you know I was paying a lot of attn this year with the draft and football being out of commission so to speak
But when I just looked up Van Dyke as you have ….you all see undersized …i see a 6′1 frame that has not filled out at 175lbs …thats near skinny …dudes already fast …he’s lengthy …and when he fills out he could really be a physical player. i see the potential. i say this kid goes to 205lbs with that height
April 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
“wasn’t” that is
April 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Seems like a bad one kk. I like switch of picks but this guy benched 225 only 5 reps!
April 29th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
He is a very good overall athlete with excellent speed, range, & quickness in his play.
He has great reach, feet, & hips as a press m/m coverage player. He can play in tight m/m coverage down the field,
—————————————————–
So what’s the problem?
April 29th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Van Dyke = JLH another undersized speed freak who will get blown up and fade into the sunset.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Yeah, I can really see Van Dyke get up and press Baldwin now. (sarcasm)
April 29th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Rod knows whats up
April 29th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
With the 92nd overall pick in the 2011 draft the Oakland Raiders pick… wait for it… Buster Skrine
April 29th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
AIG you are correct how can you press when you are weaker than cat pee
April 29th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Boling OT/OG – Pick’em Al
April 29th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Van dyke. Told ya
April 29th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Van Dyke, meet John Bowie.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
LT DAN Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Seems like a bad one kk. I like switch of picks but this guy benched 225 only 5 reps!
—————
I have no respect for any professional athlete that can’t push 225 at least 10 times. It’s not hard at all.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
But when I just looked up Van Dyke as you have ….you all see undersized …i see a 6′1 frame that has not filled out at 175lbs …thats near skinny …dudes already fast …he’s lengthy …and when he fills out he could really be a physical player. i see the potential. i say this kid goes to 205lbs with that height
——————————————
BS, did you even read the review above? He’s a pansy in the run game. That’s a mental attitude, even if he gains a few pounds.
Just wishful thinking, and supporting Davis.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
110.Bauce Rules Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Jhill….traded 2nd next year with Pats….and got a 4th this year…..Al is gonna draft a qb with one of those…..Ricky stansi?
——————————————————
So we traded next year’s #2 for a 3rd and 4th this year?
April 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
The draft is a damn crapshot anyway
April 29th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
J-yep.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
# raideredoutL.A. Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
The draft is a damn crapshot anyway
————
… which is exacerbated when you pick players based on physical makeup rather than football skills.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
How many rounds are they doing tonight?
April 29th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
I like the extra two picks myself jhill. Other than last year we havent been great with our drafts.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
We keep trading away future picks and having to play catch up the next year. Then with the picks we have we are selecting players a round or 2 too early. We are doing the opposite of what good drafting teams do, stockpile picks and maximizing the value with the players that we select.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
You must of focused on the negatives above ..it also clearly stated he is good in press m/m, etc
another pick comin’ up
April 29th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
2nd and 3rd
April 29th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
RaideredoutL.A. Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Rod knows whats up
———————————————
You would think so, but does that pick look like Rod woodson or Al Davis? really?
April 29th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Dear Al,
Please go get Casey Matthews.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
118.severeraiderz Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Roch R Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
We don’t need any more “depth” corners, last year we took McFadden and Ware, and now Van Dyke, I think we’re set in the depth corner dept even if we lose Nnamdi.
My call you’re going to see Routt and Ware starting this year (by game 3 or 4, CJ will get the nod most likely as vet priviledge) with CJ and McFadden sharing the nickel
///////////////////////////////////
Teams go 4 and 5 wide nowadays….we needed more quality depth. All we had were Routt, Ware, and Walter
/////////////////////////
and Stevie Brown, and Eugene, and Mitchell, heck you can throw Branch in for that matter if a team is going to go Spurrier style 5’s.
I stand on my point, we’re set.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Boling or cannon
April 29th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
17.J Hill Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
110.Bauce Rules Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Jhill….traded 2nd next year with Pats….and got a 4th this year…..Al is gonna draft a qb with one of those…..Ricky stansi?
——————————————————
So we traded next year’s #2 for a 3rd and 4th this year?
*************
That’s what it says in Jer’s post as well.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
I don’t know if I like that Lefty.
I guess we’ll see in a minute who that turns out.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Press coverage in college and nfl is obviously very different and he was only a part time starter. Whats up with that?
April 29th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Boling please. Good god, please pick a football player.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
K2,
What up?
49ers took my hometown hero..b@stards…Is Troy Smith available as a back up? Jackson had him at Baltimore.
Woodson will ensure Van Dyke is no pansy…especially when he will likely be a gunner…dude best tough, and fast.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
That’s what it says in Jer’s post as well.
—————————————————–
Thanks.
I missed that.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
RaideredoutL.A. Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Rod knows whats up
—————
I think Al just told Rod to go work him out. I dont think Rod has any choice. This was a classic Al Davis reach.
Skinny W. McFadden and this dude are gonna try to play man vs Bowe/Baldwin or the gigantic SD WR corp? Good luck.
April 29th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
But when I just looked up Van Dyke as you have ….you all see undersized …i see a 6′1 frame that has not filled out at 175lbs …thats near skinny …dudes already fast …he’s lengthy …and when he fills out he could really be a physical player. i see the potential. i say this kid goes to 205lbs with that height
——————————————
BS, did you even read the review above? He’s a pansy in the run game. That’s a mental attitude, even if he gains a few pounds.
Just wishful thinking, and supporting Davis.
///////////////////////////////
Have you read any of the reviews of Wiz??? Tell me what they say, tell me that we didn’t reach, tell me that he is not misplaced in our system, tell me that he is strong at the point of attack….you can’t say any of these things
April 29th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
watch these analyst praise the patriots for the trade ….but next years 2nd may very well be a very very late 2nd cause the Raiders are going to the playoffs!
April 29th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Any chance Ware moves to FS?
April 29th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Get a trenchman….Boling…
April 29th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Roch R Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
118.severeraiderz Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Roch R Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
We don’t need any more “depth” corners, last year we took McFadden and Ware, and now Van Dyke, I think we’re set in the depth corner dept even if we lose Nnamdi.
My call you’re going to see Routt and Ware starting this year (by game 3 or 4, CJ will get the nod most likely as vet priviledge) with CJ and McFadden sharing the nickel
///////////////////////////////////
Teams go 4 and 5 wide nowadays….we needed more quality depth. All we had were Routt, Ware, and Walter
/////////////////////////
and Stevie Brown, and Eugene, and Mitchell, heck you can throw Branch in for that matter if a team is going to go Spurrier style 5’s.
I stand on my point, we’re set.
//////////////////////////////
You need more than 3 corners on your roster, i dont trust Eugene, Branch, or Brown in coverage vs. a WR
April 29th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Here we go again
April 29th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Theres your RT
April 29th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Shut up fool…
April 29th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Barksdale!
April 29th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Joseph Barkesdale!
April 29th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
OT LSU
April 29th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
I hate listening to these guys praise the pats
April 29th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
(that was aimed at Bellicheat…
April 29th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
2 outta 3 picks on the OL????
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
not evening paying attention to our pick…sucking Patriots balls……….
April 29th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Trenchmen…..Cool
April 29th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
I preferred Shareece Wright over Van Dyke, i also like Carmichael from Va Tech
April 29th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Great pick in Barksdale. Will be day 1 starter at RT.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
What up Lowdown?
Looking to be in Shanghai 9/27.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
hey geeks, is Barksdale a bulldozer? His cheat sheet reads “no talent” but strong……
April 29th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
didnt watch much to any draft coverage…dont recognize any of these dudes.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Boling and cannon still on the board…
April 29th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
K2…damn….good weather at that time….keep reminding me…If I am in Beijing, I can take a weekend to chill and drink pints…
April 29th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Good Lord, are we ever going to get any OLine Help, or anyone that can help this team whatsoever? Wiz was a reach….DVD is absurd, Hope all opens the purse strings and starts writing checks to the Free Agents were going to need to to fill the swiss cheese quantity of holes this team now has…
Jesus
April 29th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
skipped right over our announcement…F them!
April 29th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Overview
Barksdale’s a backup right tackle prospect with exceptional size but less-than-adequate athleticism for the next level. Uses his strength to stop the bull rush in pass protection, but has a difficult time dealing with double-moves or edge rushers. Can create some running room by walling off defenders but doesn’t fire off the ball, get a ton of movement, or excel locating targets at the second level. Has good football IQ, picking up blitzers and staying home against stunts, but limited athleticism still causes him to be a step late at times. Developmental prospect worthy of a late-round pick.
—————————————————-
Ouch!
April 29th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Positives: Ideal size. Long arms with an even distribution of weight. Versatile player who has only four years of experience at tackle. Came to LSU as a highly touted defensive tackle prospect and that defensive mentality is occasionally seen on tape. Gains good depth on his kick-slide and has the lateral agility and balance to mirror the defender. Long arms and strong hands to control. Can turn and seal off defenders in the running game, giving backs an easy lane to run through. Shows some athletic ability getting to the second level and, while not nimble, can get in the way of the linebacker, essentially making the block. Legitimate upside. Might just be scratching the surface of his potential and could wind up a better NFL player than he was in college.
Negatives: Lacks the elite athleticism necessary to remain at left tackle in the pros — though he started and earned second-team All-SEC honors as a senior. Has a troubling tendency to drop his head and bend at the waist on contact, which puts him off-balance. Can be overwhelmed when he gets lazy and doesn’t keep his feet moving. Remains a technically flawed prospect who has been able to get by on only his natural ability.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Al is building the oline…..complain now you wimps
April 29th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
MikeG…I hear ya, but even with a mediocre line last year, our run game was tops….it can only get better.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
pre-draft
April 29th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
The Pats also got our 7th this year along with the 2nd next year.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
I read that Barksdale is comparable to Levi Brown…super strong, long arms, and gets a good push in the running game
April 29th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Damn jets got Ellis…..oh well…he just gets to get hiss ass beat week 3
April 29th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Barksdale’s not bad. Getting big uglies out of the SEC is never a bad thing. Weird trade though. I agree with Rich Eisen.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
espn
April 29th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Nfl network clowning us. Patriots just said wierdest request they ever had in a draft are trade they ever made was from the raiders lmao. Oh well maylock and rich eison are the biggest punks maylock just a book worm and watches damn videos his whole life diesnt no crap about football what a joke.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Barksdale’s a backup right tackle prospect with exceptional size but less-than-adequate athleticism for the next level. Uses his strength to stop the bull rush in pass protection, but has a difficult time dealing with double-moves or edge rushers. Can create some running room by walling off defenders but doesn’t fire off the ball, get a ton of movement, or excel locating targets at the second level. Has good football IQ, picking up blitzers and staying home against stunts, but limited athleticism still causes him to be a step late at times. Developmental prospect worthy of a late-round pick.
Not exactly a rousing report. Rated 4.9 –
Why pick a 4.9 when a 7.2 was n the board. It’s good that we are going OL but let’s pick the good ones. So far, IMO, this draft is rated as a D.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
All I can say really is “Bring on Free Agency”
Cause this draft has been abysmal…yuck.
April 29th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Van Dyke will probably end up another chicken safety..the Raider have had horrible coaching and players at that position the last 30 years.
Being an LSU fan Barksdale will be a solid player,after drafting the worst fuggen player in Raiders/NFL history from LSU i’m glad Al Davis doesnt hold a grudge..Barksdale is a serious player..trust me!
April 29th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
I just had open heart surgery 2 weeks ago, so I am glad I have been taking my blood pressure meds, else I think I would have been much more upset by these picks right now. As of this moment, my pulse has remained a nice 75 as opposed to the 125 it normally woulda been after these Classic Al Davis blunders..
April 29th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
How about if we at least see them play before we start whining about who we picked and didn’t pick?
April 29th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
If just one of the Penn St or LSU linemaen can replace and play better than fat ass no talent Gallery..I GIVE US AN A+.
Van Dyke is a fuggen joke unless he can return kicks..he would probably still be on the board in the 5th or 6th round…I JUST WANT AL DAVIS TO GET A FUGGEN CLUE..YOU CAN DRAFT FAST/TALL NO TALENT FREAKS,BUT YOU DON’T HAVE THE COACHING STAFF THAT YOU HAD IN 70′S OR 80′S ANYMORE,,OH YEAH? BRESNAF’K IS BACK..HOLY SH’T MAN!!…PLEASE DON’T DRAFT ANYMORE DEFENSE THAT WOULD BE POINTLESS!
April 30th, 2011 at 3:51 am
does this mean we have no chance of re-signing asomugha!?!? i’ve heard he might but then i’ve heard otherwise….
April 30th, 2011 at 3:57 am
[...] Harsh Van Dyke review [...]
May 28th, 2012 at 5:46 am
pulsuhr angebot…
[...]Harsh Van Dyke review – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…