Mallett and other Day 2 notes
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, April 29th, 2011 at 12:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Some notes and thoughts regarding the Raiders as Day 2 of the NFL draft approaches:
– The quarterback the Raiders seem to have been the most identified with in this year’s class is Nevada’s Colin Kaepernick, who reportedly visited the facility. Another report suggested he was the top quarterback on the Oakland draft board.
But if there’s an early run on quarterbacks today and Kaepernick is snapped up, what do the Raiders do if Arkansas quarterback Ryan Mallett plunges to No. 48?
He’s a classic Al Davis quarterback, a bigger, stronger version of Andrew Walter who thrived in the Southeastern Conference.
Mallett also may or may not have some personal issues, with rumors of drug use which reportedly has been disclosed to NFL teams.
Davis talked about Russell’s personal problems and Oakland not wanting to deal with them, but keep a couple of things in mind in that regard.
One of Davis’ favorite sayings is, “I’d rather be right than consistent,” and that Mallett in the second round would come at a fraction of a cost of Russell.
You blow $39 million guaranteed on the top pick in the draft and it sends the franchise reeling. If it doesn’t workout for $5 million or so with the No. 48 pick in the draft and its a minor setback.
– Columnist Monte Poole wants a center.
I may be in the minority, but it looks to me like Samson Satele was the most consistent performer of the returning offensive linemen from 2010, considering that Robert Gallery is on his way out and that Jared Veldheer, while showing the most promise, had some very difficult games.
They should be looking at guards and tackles before a center.
Other than Veldheer, the Raiders’ tackle situation is murky. Colleague Steve Corkran reports Khalif Barnes is reluctant to accept another one-year contract because he wants a chance to start instead of playing his backup tackle, backup tight end role of a year ago.
It’s not clear if Mario Henderson, a four-year veteran, was given a tender. There are also are whispers that Langston Walker may be considering retirement. That story has not been confirmed by Walker or his representation.
– I have no doubt the Raiders were busy on the phone looking at possibilites to get into the first round, but make no mistake, the accounting department will shed no tears about waiting until Round 2.
Figures I obtained recently reveal the Raiders have spent or committed $164,105,636 to 13 first-round draft picks since the year 2000.
The five drafts in which Oakland picked in the top eight _ covering Rolando McClain, Darrius Heyward-Bey, JaMarcus Russell, Michael Huff and Robert Gallery, account for $136,686,636 _ or $22,781.106 per player.
Here’s how it breaks down in terms of guaranteed compensation for all first-round picks since 2000:
2010 LB Rolando McClain, No. 8 overall, $22,825,000.
2009 WR Darrrius Heyward Bey, No. 7 overall, $23,500,000
2008 RB Darren McFadden, No. 4 overall, $26,042,500.
2007 QB JaMarcus Russell, No. 1 overall, $32,019,120
2006 S Michael Huff, No. 7 overall, $15,000,000
2005 CB Fabian Washington, No. 23 overall, $5,538,000
2004 T Robert Gallery, No. 2 overall, $17,300,016
2003 CB Nnamdi Asomugha, No. 31 overall, $3,575,000
2003 DE Tyler Brayton, No. 32 overall, $3,520,000
2002 CB Phillip Buchanon, No. 17 overall, $4,900,000
2002 LB Napoleon Harris, No. 23 overall, $4,295,000
2001 S Derrick Gibson, No. 28 overall, $2,611,000
2000 K Sebastian Janikowski, No. 17 overall, $2,611,000
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April 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Final update to my big board before round 2 kicks off:
2) CB Ras-I Dowling (Virginia), WR Greg Little (North Carolina), QB Colin Kaepernick (Nevada), CB Curtis Brown (Texas), OT/OG Ben Ijalana (Villanova), DT/NT Marvin Austin (North Carolina), or C/OG Stefan Wisniewski (Penn State)
3) OT/OG Clint Boling (Georgia), OG/C John Moffitt (Wisconsin), OG/OT Orlando Franklin (Miami), OT Jah Reid (UCF), OLB Mason Foster (Washington), or NT/DT Kendrick Ellis (Hampton)
4) TE Jordan Cameron (USC), OG/OT Marcus Gilbert (Florida), OT/OG Joseph Barksdale (LSU), WR Austin Pettis (Boise State), CB Curtis Marsh (Utah State), or OLB Greg Jones (Michigan State)
5) DT/NT Ian Williams (Notre Dame), OT Byron Bell (New Mexico), QB Nathan Enderle (Idaho), C/OG Brandon Fusco (Slippery Rock), CB/FS Chris Culliver (South Carolina), or FS Robert Sands (West Virginia)
6) OT David Mims (Virginia Union), DE/DT Cedric Thornton (Southern Arkansas), OG/OT Darius Morris (Temple), FB Henry Hynoski (Pitt), or OLB Mike Mohamed (Cal)
7) DE/DT Brandon Bair (Oregon), TE Zack Pianalto (North Carolina), RB Noel Devine (West Virginia), or WR Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State)
7) QB Josh Portis (Cal PA) or QB Pat Devlin (Delaware)
April 29th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
#2
April 29th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Skinny- Cannon w/ the 48th
Jonny- projected 2rounder
April 29th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I don’t get this post by Jerry. Is he asking us if we think Al will pick Mallet? Do we know? Of course not!
As a blog reader, does the following statement mean that they are interested in Mallet? Or is it a smokescreen?
One of Davis’ favorite sayings is, “I’d rather be right than consistent,” and that Mallett in the second round would come at a fraction of a cost of Russell.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Cannon has cancer. It’s treatable, but he won’t be ready to play by the beginning of the season. He’s worth a look between the 4th and 6th rounds.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
.personal attacks show a lack of intelligents…
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Lol, intelligence?
Not a personal attack, just saying, I don’t think people are jealous of the Raiders anymore. Most of the people who remember the Raiders as great are dead now.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
YA,
What type of cancer?
April 29th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
wtf u guys left me in the dust again
April 29th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
So you really think he’ll drop that low in the draft?
April 29th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
i gotta stop smoking
April 29th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Skinny,
That kush got you in slow mode. Pass that schit!
LMAO
April 29th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
1st day ever i couldnt keep up with jerry mcdonald.hes a busy bee 2day
April 29th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
I think so. I think he’d be a risky, but very possibly worthwhile pick in the 4th round. He just won’t pay off until next season at earliest.
He’ll undergo chemo soon, and even if he beats the cancer completely (which there’s a very good chance he will), he’ll have to put in considerable work to get back to full-strength.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Damn, that’s f_ucked up.
I had the Raiders taking Cannon w/ our 2nd.
I still wouldn’t mind Foster in the 3rd if he’s still there.(Steal in the 3rd)
April 29th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Most of the people who remember the Raiders as great are dead now.
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So the dead really do remember.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
With the 48th pick of the 2011 nfl draft the Oakland Raiders select Wiz 2.0 from Penn St
You heard it here first Nation.
Holla!
April 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Chemo is no easy road. A full recovery I can buy. But expecting him to be back to full strength after a long layoff has to drop him waaaaaaayyyyy down the board imho.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
i remember the raiders being great fromm 00-02 short but sweet
April 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Ras-I Dowling… Everything about this kid is great, except he doesn’t posses Raider speed.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
18.guest123 Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Chemo is no easy road. A full recovery I can buy. But expecting him to be back to full strength after a long layoff has to drop him waaaaaaayyyyy down the board imho.
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are we talking about that lb from boston college herlizky or watever
April 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
mcskinnnylegs Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
i remember the raiders being great fromm 00-02 short but sweet
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The old Gruden team. Yeah that wasn’t true Raider Greatness though.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Ras-I
Ras-You
or
Ras-Me
April 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Al should focus on the DBs and OL. lets hope we find another Jared Veldheer
April 29th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
if dmac is the arkansas rb thats #98 on the top 100 im gonna be pissed should be way higher
April 29th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
19.raidersince87 Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
a nice comeback i found by a raider fan on nfl.com who was being harrased by everyone else on the blog
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The hatred reciprocated back to the Raiders is because of pure domination in football for many decades since the start of the AFL. Lions don’t get any haters because they’ve been irrelevant for so long. Raiders were in the superbowl within the last 10 years. A mere 8 years of futility compared to about 45 years of punking teams left and right and making them look silly is nothing to us but hurts non- raider fans so much because the Patriots were stepped on on our way to Super bowl 11 victory. Raiders erased the chargers franchise until their relevance in 2003. Raiders took what continues to elude the Eagles in their superbowl 15 victory. Even in a .500 season haters have to hate because the Raiders are coming back which causes them to remember the hits and the dominance apart of Raider lore.
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nice
April 29th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
So what time does the 2nd round start?
Not that BS talk before the draft, but the actual draft?
April 29th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
am i the only 1 that thinks jared velheer is not that good?
April 29th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
yes
April 29th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
IMO
April 29th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
mcskinnnylegs Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
am i the only 1 that thinks jared velheer is not that good?
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yes, that would be just you.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
6 o clock et
April 29th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
mcskinnnylegs Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
am i the only 1 that thinks jared velheer is not that good?
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while jared may not be tony boselli he’s the best we’ve got.
April 29th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
i’ve always thought cooper carlisle has done a nice job and every 1 hated him
April 29th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
I think the jury is still out on Veldheer as a “franchise LT” type guy, but he’ll definitely be starting for the Raiders somewhere along the offensive line for years to come.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
tell ya what i wont miss…..
false start # 76 offense
should save at least 25 yds a game
April 29th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Later peoples!
Gotta run.
Get ready to be one happy son-of-a-gun
or
one sad son-f-a-B_itch, when the draft is done.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
bye DMAC
April 29th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
lata dmac
April 29th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
anybody actually wants Al to draft a QB?
April 29th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
anybody know if Da’Quan Bowers is hurt? why hasnt he been drafted?
April 29th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
im all for it j.camp is not the answer
April 29th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
No I prefer a Guard or Tackle
April 29th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
anybody actually wants Al to draft a QB?
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I think we need one. Campbell is just a stop-gap, and can’t lead us to a Championship. We need a young QB who can hold a clipboard and learn. I like Kappy, but Mallet is low risk salary wise, so either is OK. Just would not be happy to trade up for either of them. Let them fall and see what we get.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
The reason we all hated cooper carlisle is because he was a Bronco
April 29th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
lol snb
April 29th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
is cooper coming back?
April 29th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
anybody know if Da’Quan Bowers is hurt? why hasnt he been drafted?
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He has cartiledge damage which is by definition degenerative in natute meaning that EVENTUALLY he will have bone-on-bone wear which should spell the end of his pro career but he does have time before that happens.
The cartiledge damage may mean microfracture surgery which could be a one-year rehab to help stem an arthritic condition so their is immediate risk if he truly is scheduled for microfracture surgery.
You would have to think that the way he fell that he probably has microfracture surgery due on his calendar which complicates things further because that is not a slam dunk so their is more risk before facing the reality that his knee will only get worse as time goes by.
But you may have a Pro Bowler for three to five years so the up-side risk is pretty significant especially if you look at the other options.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
anyone know?
April 29th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Jerry I couldn’t agree more about Satele he gets the short shrift in here but Satele was easily the best Olineman we had last year. He was reliable and consistently stable.
There is a stigma with Satele that mi=ystifies me it seems people just don’t like him. Why? I’ll never understand it but that is par for the course in here.
The same is true with Stanford Routt who gets bashed in here and was very consistent and played at a higher level than most corners in this league but Raiders fans can’t stand the guy. I also feel strongly that if we don’t get a corner high in this draft Nnamdi will return.
Get the QB position SOLVED at put to bed, then go about biulding the rest of the team around that position. Campbell is set for the immediate future but I want that position to be a position of strength once and for all it’s much easier to get the rest of team once that is DONE!!!………….period
April 29th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
There are going to be a LOT of very talented players available to the Raiders at several positions. I don’t think that whichever QBs are going to be left for the Raiders to choose from would give the Raiders nearly the return on their investment than, say, a guy like, Ras-I Dowling, or Greg Little, or Ijalana, or Curtis Brown, or Marvin Austin, or even Wiz for that matter.
But if the Raiders really believe that he’s their guy, if they see something in him that they don’t see in any of the other QBs in the draft, and he falls to them at #48… it’s a tough call. If it happens, I hope it’s because Hue Jackson and Al Saunders, not just Al Davis, think he’s a guy who can be great for them.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
i think only a couple here don’t want a qb. if hue signes off on kaepernick i trust him. this is different with a qb guru at head coach.
more than that i want the additional picks from our 2012 1st rounder. help us win in 2011. lot’s of talent in rnds 2-3.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Oh! BTW that QB has to be Colin Kaepernick he MUST be a Raider by days end…………..period
April 29th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
mcskinnnylegs Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
is cooper coming back?
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Can’t believe we would still want him. He’s past his expiration date.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Jerr,
Monte Poole is right. Do you know why?
There’s only ONE center on the freakin roster!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Now that Cable is gone, are we doing away with the ZBS, and heading to a power blocking system? And if so, where does Satele fit in this?
April 29th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Satele not only played MUCH better as last season went on, but he’s going to be an RFA if last season’s free agency rules apply. Like Jerry pointed out, the glaring hole is at tackle. Not only because the Raiders have three guys who likely aren’t coming back, but because that’s a position that underperformed all season long.
And RT is one of the positions at #48 where “need” and “best player available” could very well overlap.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
guest123
center
April 29th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
hey if we get colin, he’ll be the only qb tall enough to see over veldheer at center lol.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
im not sold on bruce cambell replacing cooper.tom cable didnt do it must be a reason
April 29th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Not sure if Satele will fit in if the scheme shifts more towards power blocking, but I’m also not sure there’s any C who would make sense at #48 that would fit in any better than Satele.
If Wiz is the pick, however, his best fit would almost certainly be at C. Same with Rodney Hudson. Just not sure if either of those guys would give the Raiders anything that they believe they don’t already have.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
irjonny Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
guest123
center
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Satele is a ZBS center. Light and agile. For a power blocking system, what then?
April 29th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Mike Mayock is sickening all he ever does is ride Bill Belichiki’s jock he must be hius illegitimate son. Bill’s had as many bust in his drafts as anyone else, Tom Brady has made a lot of his bad picks look good. They lose Tom Brady and a lot of that crap they do would be exposed. But Brady and Manning are soo good that a lot of mistakes turn out fine because of the sheer mastery of those guys.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Not sure if Satele will fit in if the scheme shifts more towards power blocking, but I’m also not sure there’s any C who would make sense at #48 that would fit in any better than Satele.
If Wiz is the pick, however, his best fit would almost certainly be at C. Same with Rodney Hudson. Just not sure if either of those guys would give the Raiders anything that they believe they don’t already have.
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Which is why the position of need is QB. Not OL. We get depth either way. But QB depth is more valuable than OL depth.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
guest123
that was a joke.
jokes aside, we didn’t run zbs exclusively and he did fine. you know we have a line coach and he thinks he’s worth the money. cable is not the end all be all of o-line. players can put on weight.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
A few websites have us taking Mallet. Dont like this listed weaknes:
“Absolutely melts at the sign of any pressure.”
Doesnt sound like someone who can play behind the Raiders OL any time soon.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Which is why the position of need is QB. Not OL. We get depth either way. But QB depth is more valuable than OL depth.
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Both are positions of need. I just think RT/OG is a bigger hole than C, and it’s RT/OG is where the better players are likely going to be.
Regardless, the Raiders have to go with the best player available to them. Drafting for need is a dangerous game to play, especially in a draft that doesn’t have a lot of depth.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
irjonny Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
guest123
that was a joke.
jokes aside, we didn’t run zbs exclusively and he did fine. you know we have a line coach and he thinks he’s worth the money. cable is not the end all be all of o-line. players can put on weight.
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You saw Walker beef up in Buffalo and never became the same again. Sometimes it’s best to stick with what you know. Satele needs to work with what got him here.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Drafting for need is a dangerous game to play, especially in a draft that doesn’t have a lot of depth.
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Agree!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Satele was really impressive last season getting to the second level. He looked very solid on screens, and helped DMac break off some big runs.
Truthfully, I don’t think he’s a great player, or even in the top 16 in the league at his position. But I don’t think the Raiders should reach for a center who isn’t going to give them anything more than they already have.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Drafting a QB doesn’t immediately solve the Raider problem at that position.
It’s unlikely that Kaepernick or Mallet can step in and play effectively at the start of 2011, or maybe even the entire season.
Unless you’re comfortable with Boller and Frye being the only options on the roster to replace JaJason when he fails (and he will), there’s an obvious urgent need to land a competent alternative.
Vince Young would be my first choice. If he gets his head on straight there might not be a need to draft a QB immediately at all. He could be the solution for 5 or more years.
McNabb and Palmer could offer relief, but they are short term solutions. Hard to envision either one being in the NFL for more than another 2 or 3 years.
Either way, it’s essential the Raids solidify the QB position.
At his best, Campbell is an effective game manager. He’ll never be anything more. He’s mediocre at his best. At his worst, he’s the QB we saw against Tenn, Pitt, St Louis, and the Niners. That’s putrid. Completely unacceptable.
Whether the Raids draft a QB or not, they’ve got to bring in someone to help immediately.
JaJason sucks.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Which is the point. This late in the draft, we aren’t getting any frontline starters on day 1.
This is a depth pick. We need to take BPA, and not need. I think it will be QB.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
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Which is why the position of need is QB. Not OL. We get depth either way. But QB depth is more valuable than OL depth.
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You don’t put up an O-line to protect your QB’s, you’ll be looking for Qb’s all year. Protect the one you have, and open the lanes for RB’s, with a great O-Line, only way it happens…..
April 29th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
If Satele goes down, you have to move Veldheer, then replace Veldheer at LT.
They need a Center to challenge and provide quality depth.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Loper can play center KK
April 29th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Vince Young is another loser reincarnation of JaMarcus. He won’t come here if he isn’t offered a shot at the starting job (which he wont). So forget about these washed up has beens and neverwere QB’s.
We don’t need Kaepernick or Mallet to be our 2011 opening day starter. Maybe, could be, we have our opening day 2012 starter.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
If Satele goes down, you have to move Veldheer, then replace Veldheer at LT.
They need a Center to challenge and provide quality depth.
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This is a good point. But I think this also the product of a glaring weakness at OT.
A guy who I think the Raiders should go after is Clint Boling. Boling is a guy who has played almost every position along the offensive line, and played it well. Could be available in the 3rd round. Might even be worth trading back into the 2nd for.
Brandon Fusco is a later-round option who can provide depth at both C and OG.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
You don’t put up an O-line to protect your QB’s, you’ll be looking for Qb’s all year. Protect the one you have, and open the lanes for RB’s, with a great O-Line, only way it happens…..
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I don’t disagree with protecting the QB. It’s just that the level of talent to choose from provides a depth type player, and not a guy who can compete to take someone’s job. Guys like those can be had much cheaper than a 2nd round pick.
For comparison sake, Houston and Veldheer were awesome values last year in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The talent this year is much shallower.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
#76 great post I couldn’t have said it any better myself!
On both points you are dead on!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
I actually think that RT/OG is really the only deep position in the draft this year outside of D-line.
Lots of quality players at RT/OG in the 2nd and 3rd round who could help a team immediately.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Loper is gonna play LG.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Later nation, been fun talking with yall
Good luck to the Raiders tonight.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Bring back Erik Pears! That guy was a beast!!!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Veldheer will never play another down a center the fool who did that is GONE!!
He never belonged there and he’ll never be there again, we’ll get a backup C even Loper could be a backup C. That was one of the dumbest things Cable did playing that kid at C it cost us the first game iof the year last year. DUMB DUMB DUMB!!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
I can live with vince young
April 29th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Drafting a QB this year does nothing to push the Raiders over the hump this year.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Please please please! get me either Greg little or Colin Kaepernick………….puhleeeeze!!!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
While VY has maturity issues he is talented enough to worth a look. if the kid grows up he has the physical skills and the winning resume to become a premier QB.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
To me, Vince Young is the same kind of player as Jason Campbell. Everything around him has to be just right for him to succeed. In Tennessee, he had solid offensive weapons (although there was some instability at WR), one of the best offensive lines in the league, and a defense that didn’t put him in a whole lot of bad situations. And even then, he wasn’t the kind of player who could take that team to the next level.
I’m not sure he’d see even a fraction of the same success that he did with the Titans if he came to Oakland. Unless, that is, Oakland stabilizes the offensive line, and finds themselves a true #1 WR to complement an emerging deep threat in Jacoby Ford.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Greg Little would pay immediate dividends for the Raiders offense. I hope he has enough speed for Al. On the field, I think that guy plays as fast as anybody.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
“Vince Young is another loser reincarnation of JaMarcus. He won’t come here if he isn’t offered a shot at the starting job (which he wont).”
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Last time I checked, VY had an excellent won/loss record in the NFL. I think he’d beat out JaJason for the starting gig with ease, whether he was offered the starting job immediately or not.
His head certainly isn’t screwed on too tight, but to my knowledge he’s not a syrup swiggin, lazy, out of shape turd like JaMoron. He might not be a genius but he’s Einstein compared to JaMoron.
I think he’s salvagable and would like to see Hue get a chance to work with him and get him back on track. The cost is nominal, there’s little risk – but there is a huge upside if things go well.
Al Davis loves reclamations. He loves high draft picks that have failed elsewhere. The 3rd overall pick that’s been a winner in the NFL, but is somehow jobless, fits the bill perfectly.
Raids should sign VY even if they draft a QB.
Can’t have too much talent at the most important position.
JaJason sucks.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Drafting a QB this year does nothing to push the Raiders over the hump this year.
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so there’s no chance campbell goes 4-2, get’s injured and colin takes us to playoffs?? or hue likes colin better than campbell day 1???
i know this….we don’t have a guy on our roster right now with that potential. i would say qb upgrades our team.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Keapernick is not for THIS YEAR he’s for the FUTURE we have a very good QB to start this year……..why is everyone projecting him to start this year. He’s not even close to ready he is a gaurantee for the FUTURE………….get it!!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
KK if you look I said Loper CAN play center
In other words we have more than one person who can play center on our roster
April 29th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
He’s not even close to a guarantee for the future, either. He’s a chance for the future.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
RAIDERMAN99
Did you read post #89?
You should!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Tell me why ESPN thinks we need a RB in this draft.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
What concerns me most about the prospect of taking a QB in the 2nd round is that I can’t foresee any way that Al Davis takes a guy with his first pick in the draft and allows him to sit on the bench for an entire season.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
He’s not even close to ready he is a gaurantee for the FUTURE………….get it!!
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Nothing is guaranteed, and the Future is Now…….get it!!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
19.raidersince87 Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
a nice comeback i found by a raider fan on nfl.com who was being harrased by everyone else on the blog
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The hatred reciprocated back to the Raiders is because of pure domination in football for many decades since the start of the AFL. Lions don’t get any haters because they’ve been irrelevant for so long. Raiders were in the superbowl within the last 10 years. A mere 8 years of futility compared to about 45 years of punking teams left and right and making them look silly is nothing to us but hurts non- raider fans so much because the Patriots were stepped on on our way to Super bowl 11 victory. Raiders erased the chargers franchise until their relevance in 2003. Raiders took what continues to elude the Eagles in their superbowl 15 victory. Even in a .500 season haters have to hate because the Raiders are coming back which causes them to remember the hits and the dominance apart of Raider lore.
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I have to give him credit, he’s a true fan. Unfortunately, except for a couple of years early this century the Raiders have been irrelevant to most of the league for over 25 years. Sure the people in the AFC West care, but to the rest of the league they’re about as big a rival as Seattle or Arizona.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
since the raiders have historically had tons of trouble developing players, i would rather bringing in a vet like vince young than a rookie that will have nobody to develop him… QBs and Safeties are positions Al should never draft high, they never pan out.
April 29th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
94.Silverandblack666 Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
KK if you look I said Loper CAN play center
In other words we have more than one person who can play center on our roster
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Yeah, and they’re both starters at other positions, get it!!
April 29th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Draft a qb for the future? Why draft for the future this year? Why not draft a qb for the future, in the future, when there is a better qb class coming in?
There are no qbs’ in this draft worthy of pick # 48. You can always pick up a back up qb /future insurance project/ wild stab in the dark, in the very late rounds.
Please Al beef up that o-line otherwise it doesnt matter who is taking snaps.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
I am going home to watch the draft.
Later
April 29th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
RAIDERMAN99
Did you read post #89?
You should!
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Yes, I read it. And while I respect YoungAmerican’s opinion, I disagree with it.
I don’t think VY is the same type of player as JaJason.
If he’s mentally right VY is much better.
VY had a good running game helping him in Tenn, but his WR corp wasn’t that hot. Better offensive line, yes – but keep in mind one of VY’s strengths is his mobility – that would help him in Oakland.
Finally, and most importantly – take a look at Tenn’s record with and without VY.
I realize they had some success with Collins at QB, but the difference in that team in 2009 with and without VY as the starter is undeniable.
Can’t see passing on the chance to land VY. Isn’t going to cost any draft picks. Only thing the Raids can lose is some cash and a roster position.
Negligible downside. Huge upside.
It’s a no brainer.
Sign VY.
JaJason sucks.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
you guys think you know more about scouting than hue jackson??? wow
i’m all about getting kappy ONLY because it’s been said that hue jackson wants him, not because i think i know what i’m talking about when it comes to scouting. get over yourselves.
drafting anything BUT qb is like trying to re-model the living room while the kitchen is on fire. saint’s o-line sucked until guess what??? drew brees shows up, no team is ANY good without an elite qb and i want our chance to have one. if it’s campbell cool, then we have our aaron rodgers on the bench. it’s pretty simple. BUT i don’t want to lose 2011 picks for him either. there is a fine line here and i’m excited.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
2.) Ryan Mallett
3.) DeMarcus Van Dyke
April 29th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
The Titans had a very good defense too, and the best rushing attack in the league, VY was not the reason they were winning.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
DeMarcus VanDike was NOT even a starting CB in Miami, he cannot be our 3rd rounder, he is a 4th/5th rounder at best.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
# El Tato Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
DeMarcus VanDike was NOT even a starting CB in Miami, he cannot be our 3rd rounder, he is a 4th/5th rounder at best.
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I’m kidding. See post #1.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
straight up!! i’m tired of hoping for mediocrity, i want to be the most dangerous team in the league…first step? QUARTERBACK FOOLS. it’s our time today, it’s hue’s time today. IF they think colin is that guy…F-ING GET HIM. if not i’m fine with o-line but don’t be pissed if we do go colin, he’s got peyton manning’s blessing…why not yours??
April 29th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
sorry man, didnt see it.
But I have seen someone here mention him as a posible 2nd rounder, I hope not.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
I’ll say this about the possibility of drafting Kaepernick. IF he’s available to the Raiders, and IF Hue and Al (Saunders, that is) believe he’s “The Guy”, and IF the Raiders also plan on shoring up the offensive line and adding a couple more offensive weapons, and IF the Raiders are committed to letting him sit on the bench and learn the game… then there’s no way that Kaepernick shouldn’t be the pick. In fact, if all those things are indeed the case, the Raiders should trade up for him.
I don’t know if any of the above things are true, though.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
if we cant get Kaepernick, next years draft is very strong at QB
April 29th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
# El Tato Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
sorry man, didnt see it.
But I have seen someone here mention him as a posible 2nd rounder, I hope not.
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I know. It’s a terrifying prospect, because it seems all too possible. I have this very real vision of myself right now – sitting on my couch with my beer, jaw agape as the pick is announced. It’s not like it hasn’t happened before.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Next years draft is gonna be one of the few where picking number 1 overall is a luck, the one who gets Andrew Luck will be OK for 10 years.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
The Titans had a very good defense too, and the best rushing attack in the league, VY was not the reason they were winning.
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He might not have been the only reason, but one thing was clear, they didn’t win without him.
With Collins at QB I believe they started at 0-6 or something like that.
Owner demands that Fisher play VY, they immediately go on a great run and narrowly miss mking the playoffs.
Was that due to VY alone ? No.
But it’s ridiculous to think he wasn’t an instrumental part of it.
What do the Raids have to lose by bringing him in ?
Are the Raids better off with Boller or VY ?
Even if the Raids draft Kaepernick or Mallet are they ready to go in 2011 ?
This is a no brainer.
JaJason sucks.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
youngamerican
100% agree
i think that is the case and hue jackson has more sway in our organization than many coaches of the past.
i want more picks if we trade up though, could be easily done and pats would love to have 3 1st rounders next year no question.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
The Raiders could use a quality backup QB this year, Boller perhaps………….but not a rookie.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
# El Tato Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
sorry man, didnt see it.
But I have seen someone here mention him as a posible 2nd rounder, I hope not.
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I know. It’s a terrifying prospect, because it seems all too possible. I have this very real vision of myself right now – sitting on my couch with my beer, jaw agape as the pick is announced. It’s not like it hasn’t happened before.
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True. Routt was a 4th round prospect, we selected him 38 overall.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
irjonny Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
youngamerican
100% agree
i think that is the case and hue jackson has more sway in our organization than many coaches of the past.
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New Raider Head Coaches always have a honeymoon period (usually until the 2nd loss)
April 29th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
JCampbell is a game manager, he will be OK as long as we continue to run the ball well.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
yeah, Al Davis probably alredy wants to fire Hue Jackson at this point
April 29th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
KK
dude, i’m not some new guy in school. i know how the org. works. i’m saying hue jackson has al davis in his hand. you can see it in interviews the guy is convincing and that hasn’t happened since…..?
April 29th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
game managers help win games….not superbowls. if you want to just win some games then (i hope i wrong) campbell is your guy.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
124.irjonny Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
KK
dude, i’m not some new guy in school. i know how the org. works. i’m saying hue jackson has al davis in his hand. you can see it in interviews the guy is convincing and that hasn’t happened since…..?
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Like I said, “New Raider Head Coaches always have a honeymoon period” (usually until the 2nd loss)
April 29th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
if you have 7 losing season in a row and havent had a QB since 2002, I am be fine with JCampbell, he is the best in town since Gannon, I will replace many players before him.
Dilfer won a SB.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
I dont believe japlunkett is made for close games. if we are going to win more than 8 games next season we will need to win the close ones. japlunkett is OK if we are going to run 200 yds and he needs to throw 12 to 18 passes.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
I’ll tell you what… if Hue is serious about a power blocking scheme? John Moffitt.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
127.El Tato Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
if you have 7 losing season in a row and havent had a QB since 2002, I am be fine with JCampbell, he is the best in town since Gannon, I will replace many players before him.
Dilfer won a SB.
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NO, Ray Lewis, and his two 350lbs body gaurds won a Super Bowl. Dilfer collected a ring.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
In the last 9 games, JC had 11 TDs and 4 INTs with 7 games with 90+ rating.
We could be doing worse.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
agree or disagree, i hope one of us is right and we get a good player. let’s see what happens and hopefully it helps us to the playoffs.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
NO, Ray Lewis, and his two 350lbs body gaurds won a Super Bowl. Dilfer collected a ring.
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Thats what Im saying, our D# and run game can is what can get us to the SB, Campbell is a game manager, actually better than Dilfer.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
133.El Tato Says:
April 29th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
NO, Ray Lewis, and his two 350lbs body gaurds won a Super Bowl. Dilfer collected a ring.
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Thats what Im saying, our D# and run game can is what can get us to the SB, Campbell is a game manager, actually better than Dilfer.
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Agreed.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
I’m Ok with drafting a future qb with our 2nd pick,but would prefer an O linemen.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Love hate Mallett, sometimes he’s amazing then he’s making the dumbest throw ever.
I blame him for breaking 2 pairs of glasses, I tend to throw them when he blows the game we should win with the dumb int. But he could be our next great QB, maybe, if he’s there at 48 we just got to take him. I hate it but he too good to let pass.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
I’m expecting a great year from JC because he will have the same coordinator for the 1st time in his career. We need olinemen bad.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
JC went 13-0 in 2004 at Auburn with Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams leading the team, we have McFadden and Bush.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
I bet Al pulls some suprises tonight
April 29th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
I think Moffitt’s a very good fit here even more than Wiz kid and we can get him in the 4th rnd or someone comparable.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Kaepernick is coming to OAKLAND the Raiders are actively trying to get the pick from Pat’s as we speak.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
I’d even take Moffitt in the 3rd. I think smart, versatile, powerful, nasty player. Not sure what more you could want in an OG/C.
April 29th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Kappy is COMING to Oaktown baby!!!!!! YEAAHHH!!!
April 29th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
It’s happening…..oh SNAP!
April 29th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
It’s on… Are we first to pick?
April 29th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
say what you want, i have high hopes for campbell as well after all he is our qb. but now he has no excuses.
April 29th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
are we dam it
April 29th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
YA #129
You’re singing my tune, bro. trying not to get my hopes up, but I’ve been banging the drum for John Moffitt for a few weeks now.
Wisconsin HC Brett Buliema was just on NFLN and was asked about Moffitt. Said he’s never enjoyed coaching a plyer more. Dynamic personality, great lockerroom guy and pure nastiness on the field.
Edward Teach posted a link about Moffitt awhile back. Go back and find it in the archives if you missed it. Teach said Moffitt reminded him of Ted Hendricks with his off beat sense of humor and fun-loving style in a couple of interview settings.
There’s also a highlight reel from last years game vs Iowa. Count the number of Black jerseyed Hawkeyes #74 puts on the ground. He’s impressive.
Although when Cameron Heyward went to Pittsburgh at the end of rd 1, one of the highlights they showed was him beating moffitt for a sack. Cam Heyward is a helluva player in his own right.
He could start at LG and then slide over to Center to fill in for Satele. As Kell and others keep pointing out, a backup center is def a need.
I’d love to see this guy in Silver & Black.
April 29th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
A starting center is definitely a need too!
April 29th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
a 4.4 isn’t ” RAIDER SPEED”
April 29th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Belicheat tried to rob us………..lousy bum.