Day 3 coming up
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, April 30th, 2011 at 8:55 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders open the third day of the draft with the following picks:
Round 4 (No. 113)
Round 4 (No. 125) from New England
Round 5 (No. 148)
Round 6 (No. 181)
Round 7 (No. 241) compensatory pick
The Raiders dealt their other seventh-round pick, No. 219, to the Patriots as part of the deal which also got them an extra third (LSU tackle James Barksdale) and fourth round pick. Deals can be made with any of these picks except the compensatory pick, which cannot be traded.
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April 30th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Draft McFadden!
April 30th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Severeraiderz Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Harder2000 Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Agreed Severeraiderz, we might have to get aggressive, but both have a special talent! Could use a big, strong fast, reliable WR and Cannon will be a huge steal in a year!
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Also good analysis of Wiz II, i think we reached by 10-15 spots at least. he will be a solid player and i hope he turns out to be a great one
April 30th, 2011 at 8:58 am
@ J Hill – If you want a FB i suppose it is a punishing one: Hope for Marecic! He is a mean, mean man! He would be the perfect supplement for Reece in our running game!
April 30th, 2011 at 8:58 am
5 more O-Line!
April 30th, 2011 at 8:59 am
There has to be more Branches, Barnwells, and Wizneiwskis in there!
April 30th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Gotta love how some draftniks are calling Baby Wiz a reach, and in the next sentence saying that he should be decade-long starter at Center.
A decade-long starter with a 2nd-Rounder? And this is reach HOW, exactly???
April 30th, 2011 at 8:59 am
You can tell Hue’s in charge, huh? You know he wanted Wizniewski all along.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am
As you say Severeraiderz, a reach doesnt make a player bad, just means we might have been able to get a little bit more! As you, i also think he will be solid and hope for him to be great! He has the intangibles at least!
April 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Hope we finish strong today
April 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Draft Boling, draft Cannon, draft Greg Jones, draft Todman, sign TJ yates as a FA when we can!!!
April 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Hope for Marecic!
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Eff Yeah!
I wanted him in rd 3 but was told we could get him in rd 5.
I think Reece should be moved to #2 TE.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Wizneiwski wasn’t a reach at all. The whole league wanted him. Al had to trade up to get him. He was a hot commodity. This was definitely not one of Al’s goofy legacy picks. this guy was a blue chip.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am
The pre-draft stuff I read about Wiz said he wasn’t very strong and is more of a zone blocker….hope that is all BS.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Jhill,
Marcel Reece is fast and a playmaker. Al Davis is not replacing him….nor should he. The running game was fine with Marcel Reece back there and he gives the team another dimension in the passing game.
Why replace the few guys on this team that provide actual PRODUCTION. Tired of all these all potential guys that don’t do jack.
Tyvon Branch is also very fast. He’s starting at free this year.
Who cares about the secondary anyway. Its an overrated position. Get a bunch of dogs up front and unleash hell…
April 30th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Also good analysis of Wiz II, i think we reached by 10-15 spots at least.
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Which means he would not have been available when we picked in rd 3.
So I don’t understand the reach theory.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Hear that? Al Davis is not replacing him. I find comfort knowing that Al DAvis is running this draft. We’re in good hands.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:03 am
The pre-draft stuff I read about Wiz said he wasn’t very strong and is more of a zone blocker….
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Raider hater propoganda.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Jhill,
Too bad we took Walter McFadden one pick ahead of John Conner last year.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:04 am
I like:
NT Jerrell Powe
OT David Mims
QB Josh Portis
RB Roy Helu
RB Taiwan Jones
WR Terrence Tolliver
WR Edmund Gates
WR Ricardo Lockette
TE Luke Stocker
TE Jordan Cameron
CB Cortez Allen
CB Buster Skrine
FS Robert Sands
April 30th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Harder, tell me why a team that’s 8-8 and right at the point between succeeding and failing takes a chance on a “reach”? Shouldn’t we be taking the best players possible? Shouldn’t we rack up a couple of playoff appearances for this squad before we start gambling on guys just because of their namesake?
April 30th, 2011 at 9:04 am
RaiderDuck Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Gotta love how some draftniks are calling Baby Wiz a reach, and in the next sentence saying that he should be decade-long starter at Center.
A decade-long starter with a 2nd-Rounder? And this is reach HOW, exactly???
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Means that we could easily have moved back and got picks and still picked him up. The best drafting teams (Pats, GB, Balt) do this and maximize the value. Al thought Sea Bass was going to be a 15 year Raider, doesnt mean that he didn’t reach by taking him in the 1st. Same argument that was made about DHb before we knew how bad his hands were, people weren’t mad that we picked him, it was where we picked him
April 30th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Marcel Reece is fast and a playmaker.
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Agreed.
2 qualities that mean squat for the FB positions.
“He blocks like a WR” – Mike Vrable
April 30th, 2011 at 9:05 am
I don’t agree with Hue Jackson picking Wizneiwski. Hue Jackson should be more concentrated on building a team than upholding some Raider legacy. Come on, Hue Jackson. This guy’s supposed to be a genius?
April 30th, 2011 at 9:05 am
J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:03 am
The pre-draft stuff I read about Wiz said he wasn’t very strong and is more of a zone blocker….
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Raider hater propoganda.
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The stuff that was written about him before he was a Raider???
April 30th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Tyvon Branch is also very fast. He’s starting at free this year.
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DHB is faster. Hell, start him at FS.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Anyone want the Sands from WV. Could be a keeper.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Jhill,
If he’s fast and a playmaker…doesn’t that make him the textbook Raider?
Don’t think Davis is keen to replace Marcel Reece.
If we can have two 3-techniques up the middle….then we can have a “wide receiver” at fullback….at least with Reece at Fullback we had a top tier running attack.
The run defense with two 3-techs up the middle was 29th. Let’s fix what is actually broken first
April 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
@ J Hill – the reach of Wiz was meant as a possibility to move back and pile some picks as other did — We chose him right away, didn’t wait to hear potential trades..
But it doesnt matter, he is a Raider and a great blue collar worker, he will hopefully have a solid and great raider career! Starting C of years to come!
Now – lets get the diamonds of the later rds in the draft!
April 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Also good analysis of Wiz II, i think we reached by 10-15 spots at least.
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Which means he would not have been available when we picked in rd 3.
So I don’t understand the reach theory.
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C’mon Jhill you’re not slow…its called trading back and getting an extra 4th or 5th. In this draft that would have been huge and we would have preserved our 2nd next year
April 30th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Guess he was blocking like a wr when we ran ruffshot on the Cheifs?
April 30th, 2011 at 9:09 am
The stuff that was written about him before he was a Raider???
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He was a Raider the minute he was born.
Everyone knew he was going to the Raiders before the start of the last college season.
Propoganda starts early.
Dude put up 30 on the bench press, but he’s a weakling?
April 30th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Hellsbells Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Anyone want the Sands from WV. Could be a keeper.
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Heard he is a hitter but struggles a bit in coverage….is huge like 6′4″ 220lbs
April 30th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Why is Ian Williams still on the board? What is his red flag?
April 30th, 2011 at 9:10 am
He played at ND. Lol
April 30th, 2011 at 9:11 am
J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:09 am
The stuff that was written about him before he was a Raider???
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He was a Raider the minute he was born.
Everyone knew he was going to the Raiders before the start of the last college season.
Propoganda starts early.
Dude put up 30 on the bench press, but he’s a weakling?
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lol you are equating weight room bench presses to functional strength??? You lose mad credibility on that…thats even worse than equating 40 times to football speed
April 30th, 2011 at 9:12 am
So I don’t understand the reach theory.
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C’mon Jhill you’re not slow…
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Thanks man.
But really …
You’re assuming that there was a dance partner for a trade back. AND that some other teams doesn’t jump ahead of us and nab the guy.
A “reach” to me is taking a guy a full rd or 2 ahead of where he should go. Or taking the 7th best player at a position when the #1 guy is sitting right there.
15 spots is not a reach, imo.
And I wasn’t touting Wiz as a player we should draft, by the way.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:12 am
J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Tyvon Branch is also very fast. He’s starting at free this year.
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DHB is faster. Hell, start him at FS.
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Look, you and others are saying that we have to basically roll with the way the team is organized.
Al Davis is all about speed and athleticsm. Tyvon Branch is fast and can hit. He ain’t going anywhere.
Not saying its right…just saying. Perhaps the team feels the coaches are the problem (quoting Lefty) and hence the new DC.
We will have two 3-techs up the middle, slide Branch to FS, Mitchell will be in the box and Chris Johnson and Stanford Routt will man the corners.
If the front 7 stops the run and gets the QB, you won’t even know who is playing in the secondary.
Raiders should never draft another defensive back for the next 3 years barring injury.
They got enough guys to pull something together
April 30th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Watch it Hellsbells!
This DB Searcy that the Bills just drafted put up 27 reps….shouldn’t our starting Center do better than 3 more reps than a DB Jhill?
lol
April 30th, 2011 at 9:14 am
SnB Production Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Jhill,
If he’s fast and a playmaker…doesn’t that make him the textbook Raider?
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I didn’t say we should cut Reece. I think he needs to be a TE and yes he should play.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:15 am
I think we should offer next year’s 3rd rounder to the Pats for Tom Brady.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:15 am
We chose him right away, didn’t wait to hear potential trades..
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Which is why I really don’t have a problem with the pick. If they were that sold on him as the C we need to have, then don’t gamble that he will be there a little later.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:16 am
J Hill Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:12 am
So I don’t understand the reach theory.
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C’mon Jhill you’re not slow…
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Thanks man.
But really …
You’re assuming that there was a dance partner for a trade back. AND that some other teams doesn’t jump ahead of us and nab the guy.
A “reach” to me is taking a guy a full rd or 2 ahead of where he should go. Or taking the 7th best player at a position when the #1 guy is sitting right there.
15 spots is not a reach, imo.
And I wasn’t touting Wiz as a player we should draft, by the way.
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15 spots is a reach…we took DHB about 15 spots too early with better players on the board; same scenario with Wiz. Remember all of the calls that were coming in Day 1, do you not think that were getting a lot of calls with Daquan Bowers and Ijalana still on the board on day 2???
April 30th, 2011 at 9:16 am
There goes Clint Boling. Not totally sure we would’ve gone OL for three out of four picks anyway…
April 30th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Bill Polian says studies have shown 50% of 1st round picks fail to live up to expectations, the percentage for 2nd round picks must be 30% tops.
Considering the failure rate, getting a sure-fire starter with Pro Bowl potential at a position of need is a great pick.
“Stefen Wisniewski is NFL-ready with intelligence, strength, durability and the prototype makeup to start immediately.”
“Given his genetic makeup, durability, strength and athleticism, expect Wisniewski to be a top-50 selection who could follow in his uncle Steve’s footsteps as a long-term starter and potential Pro Bowl-caliber lineman.”
April 30th, 2011 at 9:18 am
would love to see Herzlich or Matthews on our roster.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Lol last time we took a a center in the secon….his name was Jake grove
April 30th, 2011 at 9:20 am
In my humble opinion, I don’t believe the Raiders look at the draft and place as much value in where they think a player compares on other boards….just their own.
Hence the reach discussion which happens here every year.
If the Raiders think a Safety from Ohio University is a 2nd round pick….that kid is going to be picked in the 2nd….as opposed to trading down etc…
April 30th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Severeraiderz the diff between DHB and Wiz are that Wiz was the best C prospect and DHB was probably the 4th top rated WR. All the higher rated WRs were still on the board.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Browns took TE, Jordan Cameron..
April 30th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Like i continue to say, i dont mind us picking Wiz II, i just dont like the spot. He had a 3rd round grade according to most and would have been there in the latter part of the second.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Stefen Wisniewski was picked because he is a good player….any references to his uncle should have been discounted or ignored all together
April 30th, 2011 at 9:22 am
You lose mad credibility on that…
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Damn!
I’ll get it back by the end of the day, lol!
April 30th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Severeraiderz Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Lol last time we took a a center in the secon….his name was Jake grove
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And the time before that was Barrett Robbins, who had a pretty good career before he went insane…
April 30th, 2011 at 9:22 am
What about Salas. Big time production, granted it was at Ha
April 30th, 2011 at 9:23 am
This should be the Raiders’ QB pick:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Nathan-Enderle-36659
April 30th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Guy Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Severeraiderz the diff between DHB and Wiz are that Wiz was the best C prospect and DHB was probably the 4th top rated WR. All the higher rated WRs were still on the board.
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Mike Poncey was the best Center prospect and Wiz only played a year at C and some had him pegged as an OG. He was not the top guard and some people had O’Dowd ahead of him at center….I didn’t
April 30th, 2011 at 9:24 am
DHB pick was terrible because it was in the top 10…so that mistake costs you $$$$$$ and a shot at an elite player like Clay Matthews, BJ Raji or the plethora of wide receivers….
Wizniewski is fine for the #48. Could he have been a reach? Maybe, but such a small one that it is no big deal if the team believes in him.
The bad reaches are the DHB picks….the Mike Mitchell picks…those are the reaches
April 30th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Al Davis is all about speed and athleticsm. Tyvon Branch is fast and can hit. He ain’t going anywhere.
Not saying its right…just saying.
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Gotcha.
But at this point, we don’t even know what the plan is for FS. Branch hasn’t even played the position before. Heck, it could be Jeremy Ware for all we know.
Branch is the starting SS as of now.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:25 am
It’s also worth noting that Wiz, DVD and Barksdale aren’t the only controversial guys picked yesterday.
I’ve seen reactions on Kaepernick that range anywhere from “THE NINERS GOT A STEAL!” to “He should have gone in the 4th. Why in HELL did they take him in the 2nd, trading up for him no less?!?!?”
April 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I have a bad feeling that we will take Gates with our first 4th smh
April 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Take Cannon…worth the risk with a big payoff in one year. Otherwise take a WR….preferably one with good hands and no injury concerns….I don’t care how fast they are.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Pouncy only played center for one year also. Just saying.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:28 am
We will have two 3-techs up the middle,
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Ok, I’ll bite, lol.
DTs were not the problem last year.
Rookie MLB, and 2 OLBs that were playing the positions for the first time in the NFL.
Not to mention the horrendous S play early in the year that turned what should be a 6 yds gains into long TD runs.
Case in point, first game of the season where Branch has CJ1K dead in the hole, get shook, and 60 yds later, a TD. If the SS makes the tackle ….
Oh well.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:30 am
SnB Production Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:24 am
DHB pick was terrible because it was in the top 10…so that mistake costs you $$$$$$ and a shot at an elite player like Clay Matthews, BJ Raji or the plethora of wide receivers….
Wizniewski is fine for the #48. Could he have been a reach? Maybe, but such a small one that it is no big deal if the team believes in him.
The bad reaches are the DHB picks….the Mike Mitchell picks…those are the reaches
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i prefer second round picks to first…you get players that aren’t far off in talent for a much cheaper price. Teams are built in the middle rounds, this is what we are taking for granted.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Remember all of the calls that were coming in Day 1, do you not think that were getting a lot of calls with Daquan Bowers and Ijalana still on the board on day 2???
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I have no idea.
The issue here is the player that Hue Davis wanted. There is no guarantee that Wiz would have been there 10 pick later. I understand that YOU think there were better players out there, but C was obviously established as the #1 need and Wiz was the player they wanted.
I just don’t see the problem.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Most draft sites have Pouncey as a guard prospect
April 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Hellsbells Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Pouncy only played center for one year also. Just saying.
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He was beat out by his future pro bowl brother in the competition. He also played in the SEC and played better than Wiz II against better comp.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Our problems against the run are three-fold:
1. No true NT to occupy the G and C…against Kelly and Seymour they are handled with one guy and maybe a chip from another guy, who then goes off to kill McClain on run plays.
2. Safties either take poor angles or can’t tackle.
3. CBs playing press man who have to turn their backs to the LOS when the WRs sell pass….and are often times 10-15 yards down field once they realize it is a run to the outside.
It will be a problem as long as Al is breathing.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am
severeraiderz Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Like i continue to say, i dont mind us picking Wiz II, i just dont like the spot. He had a 3rd round grade according to most and would have been there in the latter part of the second.
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Maybe, but Indy and NYG were picking right behind us, Wisniewski would have been a good fit for the Colts who love versatile OL, he could have filled in at either G spot for them and eventually replace the aging (soon to be 36) Jeff Saturday, while the NYG could have grabbed Wis to replace Shaun O’Hara (turns 34 next month) as soon as next year.
Also, just 7 picks later KC selected Rodny Hudson, the other good Center available to eventually, if not right away, replace 37 year old Casey Wiegmann.
So, I’m not so sure we could have traded down and still get Wisniewski.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:36 am
He could not even make a shot gun snap. He will play guard.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:36 am
***safeties***
April 30th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Rodney
April 30th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Mayock has Dt from ND as a late 5th rounder.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Now get ready for 4.3 forty speedsters Taiwan Jones (RB) and Ricardo Lockette (WR) as our 4th round picks.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Maybe the Raiders will draft a punter in the fourth?
April 30th, 2011 at 9:40 am
More I read on Salas the more I like. Could be the move the chains guy. Nice hands.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Give me Cannon and Davon House/Greg Jones in the 4th and idc what you do Al
April 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am
You guys obviously don’t agree with me about Wiz II being a reach and theres no point in arguing about it anymore. We all hope that he justifies his draft position. He played Guard last year and was good enough at Center before that to be considered a top prospect at that position and i hope his success continues.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Dakota Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Our problems against the run are three-fold:
1. No true NT to occupy the G and C…against Kelly and Seymour they are handled with one guy and maybe a chip from another guy, who then goes off to kill McClain on run plays.
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Propoganda.
ALL MLB’s have a blocker assigned to them. The idea that a MLB should be “clean” is ridiculous.
McClain needs to get better at angles and shedding, which he did as the year went on and as he will do with a year of experience.
I agree with the press coverage part and the DBs having their backs to the ball.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Gates is gone, thank God.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Never said the MLB should be clean, but it is much easier to shed a FBs block than it is an OG’s block.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Guy Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Give me Cannon and Davon House/Greg Jones in the 4th and idc what you do Al
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Cannon and Greg Jones in the 4th…Jerrell Powe in the 5th
April 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Hellsbells Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Gates is gone, thank God.
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I was worried that he would be the pick
April 30th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Rod Woodson said we were going to play our CB’s facing the QB more often next season, I believe in a man to man, bump and run as our primary coverage system, but I agree with everyone else, we need to tone it down a notch.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Crap, rams took salas.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Hellsbells—-Severe
Ricardo Lockette is still there….and he’s faster than Gates.
Lol…I like Lockette, but no earlier than 5th.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:49 am
CB, BOO!
April 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Miami professes a love for speed, they are praised. Raiders mocked.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Lol goodbye Asomugha, Al is sending a message smh. Im done watching the draft….you guys keep me posted please
April 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Supprise suprise…we picked another fast DB….
April 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Its’ Chimdi, not a bad pick, experienced Big 10 CB.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Another corner. Guess 21 is gone. Did they speed dial this pick in. Think we will pick
Cannon next if he is still there.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:51 am
another CB….lmao at those who think Al doesn’t run the draft.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Is this guy any good? hopefully Cannon will be there in 12 picks.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:51 am
The pick is in! A Cornerback with a funny name…………we NEVER do that. I bet he’s FAST!
April 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Not a bad pick as far as the player, the position added may be questioned.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Another CB????
LOL!
April 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Chewbacca????
April 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Bob Marley Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Hellsbells—-Severe
Ricardo Lockette is still there….and he’s faster than Gates.
Lol…I like Lockette, but no earlier than 5th.
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Lockette has nice size and ran a 4.34…Gates ran a 4.31….close enough to the same and no telling what we had them clocked at with our stop watches
April 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am
93.Dakota Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 9:51 am
another CB….lmao at those who think Al doesn’t run the draft.
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Are you sayin we didnt need one?
April 30th, 2011 at 9:55 am
This will sound familiar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYB8m_pSU54&feature=related
April 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am
CJ37 is gone to. I think.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Wingo is a douche.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Chimdi is a player. One of the top CB’s in the draft 1st team All American. Great pick.
April 30th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Chewbacca is hurt…..broke his right hand @ Sugar Bowl!
April 30th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Guess those that saw him were impressed. In 2010 Chekwa was named a first team All-American by the FWAA and College Football News. FWAA is Football Writers Assoc of America. RHAA (Raider Haters Assoc. of America)
April 30th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Van Dyke = James Trapp?
April 30th, 2011 at 10:20 am
woohoo taiwan jones
April 30th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Taiwan Jones….. Bwahaaaahahahaha
October 27th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
flat roof repairs…
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