PFW forecast Russell’s demise
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, May 6th, 2011 at 3:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Today marks a year since the Raiders released quarterback JaMarcus Russell, marking the end of an error after three years and $39 million.
Perhaps they would have avoided the mistake entirely with the kind of research done by Pro Football Weekly’s Nolan Nawrocki, whose assessment of Russell in his 2007 draft guide was eerily acccurate. Nawrocki is the same guy who eviscerated Carolina quarterback Cam Newton, criticizing his “fake smile,” calling him disingenuous and having an “enormous ego and sense of entitlement.”
We’ll know in three years whether Nawrocki, who admitted he never spoke to Newton, was off base.
But if he is even as close to being on the mark as he was with Russell, the Panthers have reason to be worried.
Here was Nawrocki’s assessment in the 2007 Pro Football Weekly draft report:
Positives: Has all the physical ability in the world and is one of the most naturally gifted throwers ever to play the game. Has rare size and arm strength and can really power the ball down the field. Effortless thrower who flicks the ball with ease. Has a 100 m.p.h. fastball and can zing it into tight coverage. Is tough to bring down and not easily sacked. Stands tall in the pocket, can brush off the pass rush and deliver after taking a hit. Shows some agility on the move once he gets going.
Negatives: Showed up overweight at the Combine and has a flabby body that looks like it has not seen a weight room. Relies too much on his arm and natural ability and does not like to work. Has a lackadaisical approach to the game, nearly lost his job in a competition prior to his junior season and needs to take the game more seriously. Struggled to put points on the board vs. the speed of Auburn’s and Florida’s defenses, and when he is forced to make quick reads, he struggles. Does not find second and third receivers as fast as he has too. Does not have a consistent throwing motion, and the ball tends to come out at different places every time. Does not protect the football well. Does not show great timing or anticipation. Telegraphs his passes and rarely looks off the high safety (see Florida game). Will require very tough coaching from a strong, authoritative figure, or he will get away with everything he can and may never develop. Acts as if he has made it already and does not realize how far he has to go.
Summary: Has as much potential as any quarterback to enter the draft, but the team that drafts him better have an experienced and patient veteran coaching staff in place to provide the tough coaching he will need to develop. For as much upside as he has — and it’s off the charts — his downside is just as great, and he could be out of the league just as fast as he is in the Pro Bowl. A very high-risk, high-reward pick, Russell is the type of player who could lose his motivation after a big payday. Whoever drafts him better make sure they properly evaluate his mental makeup and character, or they could set back their franchise at least three years. Strikingly similar to Vikings 1999 11th overall draft pick and current Dolphins QB Daunte Culpepper, whose only success has come under the demanding Scott Linehan, but Russell is not as athletic nor does he have Culpepper’s scrambling ability.
DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. PARK DEDICATION
More than, 1000 children, community residents and celebrities are scheduled to be in attendance Saturdya at the dedication of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Park.
The park was funded through grants with support of the Raiders and will have fields for football and soccer as well as a track, picnic areas and new landscaping. It will include synthetic sports turf.
The opening is scheduled between 11 a.m. and 1 p.m. at 360 Harbour Way South, Richmond. Raiders legend Jim Otto is scheduled to attend as well as addtional team employees.
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May 6th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
well that was pointless…1st
May 6th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I know huh!!!!!! lmfao
May 6th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Cam Newton, Lookout!
May 6th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Wow. Narwocki nailed that one. Eerily accurate.
That’s the frustrating thing about Russell. He did have all the talent and potential in the world. And he wasted it. Such a shame.
It used to drive me crazy when people would say…all he can do is throw it 80 yards from his knees…blah, blah, blah.
No, it was so much more than that. He could’ve been another Elway. A real franchise quarterback. But he just wasn’t willing to put in the work.
Russell and the Raiders was just a bad marriage from the start. He got drafted into the ugly Davis vs Kiffin divorce. Then saddled with two raw, rookie WR’s. It was doomed from the start.
Ultimately Russell’s failure is his own fault. Or else somebody else would’ve given him a second chance. He just doesn’t care. He cashed in his winning lottery ticket and is content to fade off into the sunset. Sad.
May 6th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Yes, the Panthers should worry, but I’d take a QB with “fake smile” along with a chiseled body and high degree of motivation over a “flabby” bodied, lazy athlete any day. Yes, my hindsight is golden.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
The Raiders could have avoided Russell?
You got that right.
The Raiders drafted Russell based on Al seeing him on one occasion and Al then proceeded to ignore all advice to the contrary.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
ESPN Rumor-K. Orton to Cardinals, anybody an insider? That would be sweet!
Rather face Tebow than Orton.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
AFC West draft grades coming up on NFLN Total Access at 7:00 et.
We’ll see how Oakland stacked up against their division rivals, at least according to those yahoos.
Interesting to see what that blowhard Sapp has to say.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
5.stubblebuzz Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Yes, the Panthers should worry, but I’d take a QB with “fake smile” along with a chiseled body and high degree of motivation over a “flabby” bodied, lazy athlete any day. Yes, my hindsight is golden.
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You would like a QB with a “chiseled body” and you don’t care about any “fake smile”?!
Pesonally, I’ll take a guy like Snake who, even when he could barely get his throwing arm over his beer belly, was one hell of a quarterback.
No “chiseled body” there, just a Superbowl win.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Watching NFL network and they were ripping the Texans plans to move Mario Williams from DE to WLB. Kinda made me think of the Rob Ryan 3-4 experiment.
The Texans D could actually be worse under Phillips.
Houston is one of the perceived destinations for Aso?
May 6th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Sure Russell was a lazy, undedicated, out of shape turd.
But I maintain if he was in tip-top physical shape and studied his azz off, he’d still be a total bust.
Why ?
Because quite frankly, he’s too stupid to be an NFL QB.
JaMoron did a good job of avoiding interviews. It was rare to catch a sound bite from him or see him field some questions from the media. But in the few instances that were available for public consumption, it was shocking to see that he couldn’t put together a coherent thought or sentence. He’s a complete MORON.
Lazy ? Yup.
Lack of dedication ? Yup.
Definitely factors in his demise.
But they’re also reflections of his mental deficiencies.
Of course there’s always the possibility that he’s really not a nitwit, that he’s just inarticulate – but I’m convinced that’s not the case. We’ll see if he ever gets in shape and attempts a comeback.
Well, at least he was smart enough to bilk Al Davis and the Raids out of million$.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
I don’t think the Raids are going to miss Tom Cable as HC.
I wouldn’t say Cable was a terrible HC, and I think he was fired more for his personal behavior flaws than for his tactical shortcomings.
The Raids made progress under Cable, but they were still inconsistent and got blown out a few more times in 2010 than should have happened.
The smackdown in Tenn to start the season, getting demolished in Pitt, not showing up against the Niners, lackluster display against Miami, giving away a winnable game in Jax, and a dismal outing against Indy were not indicative of a well coached squad getting the most out of it’s talent.
To be fair though, the Tenn, Pitt and SF losses were largely attributable to JaJason playing like a total POS. It’s doubtful Vince Lombardi could have been competitive on those days.
Still, there’s the nagging feeling that a better prepared squad secures wins against Arizona (remember Grads delay of game ?), doesn’t blow the lead against Jax, and takes better advantage offensively against a vulnerable Colt defense.
All Cables fault ? Nope.
But the bottom line is the buck stopped with Cable. He pissed Al Davis off by allegedly slapping a woman around and opening the Raids to lawsuits, and set a bad standard by bringing his GF on road trips.
He was probably a goner, even if the Raids made the playoffs.
Amazing how the media didn’t have a clue any of this was going on or chose not to divulge it.
Even with the disappointing losses to the Colts and Jags, I felt the Raids were a better team at the end of the year than they were at the begining and even during the 3 game win streak.
The first win against SD was at home and a real nail biter despite the 2 blocked punts. The first win against KC was also at home and also a real nail biter.
The rematch wins were both on the road and real beatdowns.
SD got pulverized and worn out. DMAC pounding in that last TD was a thing of beauty.
KC might not have had a reason to play in the finale, but neither did the Raids. Yet the Raids put a terrific defensive beatdown on the Chefs en route to a convincing win.
So I think the Raids made progress under Cable. With a better QB, I think it’s reasonable to think they’re a playoff team.
I don’t expect a fall off under Hue. I think he’ll have the Raids ready to play and hopefully the team will continue it’s upward trend.
But there’s still a fly in the ointment.
The Raids need a better QB.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Man that scouting report can be said about many QB’s that were drafted high. From Heath Shuler to Cam Newton. A lot of players get huge paydays and lose incentive. That’s why the NBA went to a rookie cap they were getting killed by kids getting big paydays and basically becoming partiers. What he did say that was accurate is that Russell needed a strong coaching staff to support him and the Raiders didn’t provide that. Plus the team was in turmoil a bad situation for a kid as immature as Russell. To have him play with two rookie WR was a recipe for disaster and that is what you got. A complete unmitigated disaster on top of that his Uncle Ray died the following offseason. It could not have gone worse for us.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
“require very tough coaching from a strong, authoritative figure, or he will get away with everything he can and may never develop. Acts as if he has made it already and does not realize how far he has to go.”
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There you have it….the Raiders biggest weakness paired with Russell’s biggest weakness
May 6th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Al took a huge swing, and missed, but I love that he swung for the fences. Heck if Russell woulda conected it would have been a HOF homer!
I don’t think we have seen the last of JaWalrus in OakTown.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
TGIF, Happy 4:20
May 6th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Russell was a bad fit for an organization where’s there’s no accountability.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
You would like a QB with a “chiseled body” and you don’t care about any “fake smile”?! Pesonally, I’ll take a guy like Snake who, even when he could barely get his throwing arm over his beer belly, was one hell of a quarterback.
No “chiseled body” there, just a Superbowl win.
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Yes, going further down the hindsight-is-golden trail, I would take Ken Stabler over Newton and Russell too. Just saying Newton doesn’t have the lackadaisical look that Russell has (had). I’m not sold on Newton, either, but if his quest to be “iconic” gives him the juice he needs to succeed, that beats the hell out of what the Raiders got from Chubby.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Look, if the Raiders were intent on taking on such a risk…they really should have tightened up on the coaching, discipline etc….
Unfortunately, the coaching and organizational chaos of the last 20 years reared its ugly head in spectacular fashion.
Hopefully those days are behind them
May 6th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
SnB Production Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Hopefully those days are behind them
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Hopefully, but it’s hard to see Al Davis changing his stripes at 82 years of age.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
The Raiders have won 42% of their games since 1989.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
RIP Marquis Cooper
May 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, Case Keenum, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, Ryan Lindley, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins, and Ryan Tanneyhill are among the QBs who will be available in the 2012 draft.
May 6th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Don’t forget Matt Barkley
May 6th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
13.priesttj Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Man that scouting report can be said about many QB’s that were drafted high. From Heath Shuler to Cam Newton. A lot of players get huge paydays and lose incentive. That’s why the NBA went to a rookie cap they were getting killed by kids getting big paydays and basically becoming partiers. What he did say that was accurate is that Russell needed a strong coaching staff to support him and the Raiders didn’t provide that. Plus the team was in turmoil a bad situation for a kid as immature as Russell. To have him play with two rookie WR was a recipe for disaster and that is what you got. A complete unmitigated disaster on top of that his Uncle Ray died the following offseason. It could not have gone worse for us.
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Priest,if you took all the excuses YOU have made for Russell and piled them on top of one another, we wouldn’t need a space exploration program anymore, we could just reach out and visit what we wanted.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Raiders sucked all around when Russell arrived, no OL, no WR, no DL, no leadership. You cannot expect a young immature rookie QB to step right in, with most of his teammates inferior to their counter parts, a carousel of coaches, an ever-changing OC, ..i mean, i could go on. I am not defending Russell, because he has to be accountable for his own actions, he could have been, NO, should have been, professional as he could be, with the huge salary he was collecting he should have known his playbook inside out…as for Newtons fake smile and such..none of that has anything to do with his football skills…he is hired to play football, not as a modeling agency employee. And sense of entitlemnt…NO ONE appears, at least to me, to have more of a sense of entitlement than Jay Cutler!!!!!
May 6th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Rather face Tebow than Orton.
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Did you watch the games last year?
We ran the Bronco’s and Orton off the field in about 10 minutes at their house, after a couple of Orton turnovers.
Meanwhile at home, we struggled for about 2.5 quarters against Tebow (we were losing at halftime), never got him to turn it over, and they were much more competitive and he was way better than Orton. And it was his first start and in our house!!!
Tim Tebow gives me nightmares. I am waaaaaaaaay more worried about him for the next few years than I am Cassel or even Rivers.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
So Nawrocki has quite the feather in his cap on the Russell call.
Reading his take on Russell, makes me realize just how incredibly ignorant Warren Moon’s quote was.
The guy attacks players (all players, and was his most unrelenting against Matt Leinart) both on and off the field, with more gusto than most others. That’s his schtick.
Warren could have said the dude is over-the-top and seeking attention, and he might have been right.
But racist?? No, not at all. Just completely accurate of late predicting QB’s with issues not between the stripes.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, Case Keenum, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, Ryan Lindley, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins, Matt Barkley, and Ryan Tanneyhill are among the QBs who will be available in the 2012 draft.
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I’ve seen Luck, Jones, Barkley, and Cousins, but does anyone know about the other QBs on this list?
May 6th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
The Georgia QB, I think he will be a Sophmore next year, will be a top 10, maybe #1 overall pick when his time comes to the draft board.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
You take them as excuses I take them as reason just a point of view. You hate the kid I don’t…………period
May 6th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Post 11 is right on. Great post RAIDERMAN99.
My belief is it’s hard to be successful with an average IQ as an NFL QB. There’s just too much to study, remember, understand all the variations, and then to make the split second reads at that level. Almost of all the current top QBs and past superstars were smart dudes. You could hear it in interviews. Yep, there are some exceptions like Marino and Bradshaw, but again they are exceptions to the norm.
The best QBs have to have the quick mental processing to read, analyze and adjust in split seconds. Reps only help so much there if your brain cycles too slowly. That’s why you see SO many of these high draft pick “athletic QBs” ultimately fail in the NFL. If you come through the lower levels relying on your athletic ability more than your brain to succeed, that doesn’t translate to the next level. On the other hand, all you have to do is look at statues like Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, or old school QBs like Plunkett and Fouts to see how a good arm steered by an above average brain is a formula for success.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
And back to the subject of this article, I have termed this “JaMancipation Day”. I intend to celebrate it every year!
[ Which is easy to remember because it's also my daughter's birthday
I told her that she got one of the best gifts ever last year from the Raiders! ]
May 6th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
31.priesttj Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
You take them as excuses I take them as reason just a point of view. You hate the kid I don’t…………period
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I hate the kid? That’s ein haufen Unsinn.
The only people I hate are lawyers.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Nawrocki’s take on Cam bordered on racism…….he doesn’t know that kid to say he had a fake smile…..come on man, some of his report had nothing to do with his ability to perform it was personal.
You could say the same thing about Mallett this year and you see he didn’t get drafted until late and that is why.
All of these players are looking for paydays, why do think they dod what they do to get drafted higher for just timing? It’s because the amount of money difference is HUGE!!! If they say it’s not the money you know that is exactly what it is. A lot of them get a big payday and quit not just QB’s.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Hey last night i stumble upon a video on youtube that was jamarcus russel lsu conference with les miles the last day of being with lsu b4 the nfl draft….And you couldnt really undtand him really and u can hear him talk about money and stit…..AL DAVIS SHOULDVT LEARN FROM THAT B4 HE PICK HIM….Have anyone of ya’ll saw that on youtube i might have to find it again and post it in here….
May 6th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
understand^
May 6th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
jaider Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Raiders sucked all around when Russell arrived, no OL, no WR, no DL, no leadership. You cannot expect a young immature rookie QB to step right in, with most of his teammates inferior to their counter parts, a carousel of coaches, an ever-changing OC, ..i mean, i could go on. I am not defending Russell, because he has to be accountable for his own actions, he could have been, NO, should have been, professional as he could be, with the huge salary he was collecting he should have known his playbook inside out…as for Newtons fake smile and such..none of that has anything to do with his football skills…he is hired to play football, not as a modeling agency employee. And sense of entitlemnt…NO ONE appears, at least to me, to have more of a sense of entitlement than Jay Cutler!!!!!
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Really? Tell that Sam Bradford. The Rams absolutely stunk the year before because all they had was Stephen Jackson, who was largely ineffective due to the horrid OL in front of him. Put a good QB behind them that can read a play, call the audibles, and hit the quick routes, and suddenly the whole offense starts clicking, making everyone more effective.
On the contrary, put in a QB that can’t make the reads and adjustments, takes way too long in the pocket to make a decision, and that lets the defense play 9 in the box against the run, and everyone starts to look worse than they really are. And then the defense is on the field way more than 50% of the game due to constant 3 and outs, and they start looking bad.
Flat out, a bad QB has the most negative impact in terms of your team’s overall ability than any other spot on the field. Sure, a great QB with no help can’t do it by himself, but paired with mediocre talent they can at least bring out the best in their team’s abilities.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
I found the link of his lsu conference after the sugar bowl and u can hear him whats is on his mind is MONEY…..b4 he got drafted….http://youtu.be/BxiL_HZeuPU
May 6th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Oh well sorry guys ,for some reason that link want show…..im still learning how to post links up here so bare with me…lol
May 6th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
This is football…not chemistry or quantum physics. IQ to play quarterback? LOL
It takes a commitment to learn the craft and the physical ability…that’s it….its football man.
Some players can play and some can’t for various reasons.
The Raiders, in my opinion, are bad at developing players….so you take a raw QB, or any position, and they are more likely to fail in Oakland. They never have the strong sustained coaching/culture/patience to get it done.
The Raiders HAVE ALWAYS been about plucking veteran free agents and they always will.
How many draft picks prior to 2008 will be playing a significant role on this team this year?
Not being critical..it is what it is.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Really think Al played it well by holding off on a QB in this year’s draft. Virtually every team that needed one reached for what was avialable this year (which means it’s very likely they won’t take a QB two years in a row), and Matt Barkley and Landry Jones (if he comes out) will be sitting behind Andrew Luck next year. If Davis likes one of them you can bet he’ll try and trade up if it’s necessary, and with everyone taking one this year he probably won’t have to go very high to do it.
I would take Barkley or Landry Jones over virtually any QB that was available this year.
May 6th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I like the look of Ryan Lindley from SDSU from the few highlight reels I’ve been able to find off YouTube. Anybody seen this kid up close?
Seems to have pretty good accuracy, and he takes snaps from under center which is a plus.
May 6th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
I have a ?….. Couldn the NFL fired demarice smith and hired another nlfpa??? One that is a damn lawyer and who doesnt care of how much money gene upshaw made…..Cause demarice smith is the problem for the lockout if you ask me!!!
May 6th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
ISN’T^^^
May 6th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I wanted Calvin Johnson instead of Russell. I had hopes of seeing the Andrew Walters, randy moss, and Calvin Johnson show. To this day I think if Andrew hadn’t went threw that bed and breakfast mess he would have made a decent qb. But when the pick was made I was like oh well let’s roll with it. Kiffin brought Russell along slowly. I feel that Kiffin was that hard nosed coach Russell needed.(imo I believe if Kiffin was allowed to run the raiders how he wanted on both side of the ball, we would be a playoff team.) Russell was a qb who had the talent to succeed. He would make some awesome throws. Then some dumb ones. The organization didn’t help him succeed. They refused to build him an oline, gave him dhb as a number one wr, and the firing of his Kiffin didn’t help him. Al messed up buy not giving his investment the tools and environment to succeed. But Russell is a big boy who shares the blame. I would have been alright with Russell being a bust if he would have had the work ethic of dhb, and studied film like death Ro. The only good thing that may come out of this is a rookie wage scale for the draft.
May 6th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
DaTrinity,
The Raiders went with “Cut it Loose” as opposed to the slow and steady that JaDavis needed.
Despite JaDavis’ slothfullness, he would could have made it with ironclad discipline (Kiffin provided) and a slow and steady approach. The kid did function in his 2nd year.
As for DHB. Not all his fault, he was taken way too high. Period. He is way behind for what he is being paid. Its reaches like that that make keeping guys like Nnamdi difficult.
May 6th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
13.priesttj Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
A complete unmitigated disaster on top of that his Uncle Ray died the following offseason. It could not have gone worse for us.
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Just cut it out Priest. I’m from the 504 and a big time LSU fan and I ain’t defending that chump.
Brett Favre’s daddy died and we get torched for 3 TDs. Uncle Ray dies and we get torched for $39 million.
May 6th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Paul hackett was ja Marcus’ QB coach
that’s a pretty damn good QB coach
he’s coached some of the best.
Ja Marcus just had no ambition to become what some thought he could
the authoritive figure was his uncle who past away
pretty much that was the end of ja Marcus when that occured
Javon walker never came along Chaz bones are always broken
DMAC ate to much fast food an DHB was….well DHB
all he had was z miller an Murphy.
But most of all he had no ambition.
Jamarcus needs to try the arena league!!!
May 6th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
25.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
13.priesttj Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Man that scouting report can be said about many QB’s that were drafted high. From Heath Shuler to Cam Newton. A lot of players get huge paydays and lose incentive. That’s why the NBA went to a rookie cap they were getting killed by kids getting big paydays and basically becoming partiers. What he did say that was accurate is that Russell needed a strong coaching staff to support him and the Raiders didn’t provide that. Plus the team was in turmoil a bad situation for a kid as immature as Russell. To have him play with two rookie WR was a recipe for disaster and that is what you got. A complete unmitigated disaster on top of that his Uncle Ray died the following offseason. It could not have gone worse for us.
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Priest,if you took all the excuses YOU have made for Russell and piled them on top of one another, we wouldn’t need a space exploration program anymore, we could just reach out and visit what we wanted.
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LMAO! Or he could just sit on them and be a window washer at the Sears Tower.
May 6th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Agree with the Andrew Walter, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss thing possibly working.
But again, no patience and throwing Walter into arguably the WORST football situation in league history would have ruined Peyton Manning himself
Again I hope those days are behind them
May 6th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Forget about ja ding bat I’m sure he’s forgotten about the game
May 6th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Andrew Walter never got a fair shake. Not even from kiffin
but yes SnB that could have worked
May 6th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
The Bed and Breakfast was so bad that I made it one of my security questions to my online bank account. I’ll never forget that crap.
May 6th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
504 Raider Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
The Bed and Breakfast was so bad that I made it one of my security questions to my online bank account. I’ll never forget that crap.
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LOL
May 6th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
I’d take Landry Jones over Barkley in a heartbeat, Jones has a very strong arm and throws more accurately and on time. Barkley reminds me of a kid who’s had a silver spoon in his mouth his whole life and doesn’t know how to earn anything. That also how he got the starting spot at USC.
Also the Gilbert Kid in Texas. however I wouyld prefer the cream of the crop in Andrew Luck IMO that kid without a weakness he has it all. No on ein this draft was CLOSE.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
priesttj Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Nawrocki’s take on Cam bordered on racism…….he doesn’t know that kid to say he had a fake smile…..come on man, some of his report had nothing to do with his ability to perform it was personal.
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That guy definately gets personal, which is over the top and a little iffy.
But the point is, that’s what he does. White, black, it don’t matter, if something a kid does rubs him the wrong way, he blasts them.
What he said about Jamarcus was the same stuff he said about Matt Leinart.
And he was dead right on both accounts.
I think he will be right about Cam as well.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Dallas is going to blow the Lakers out….
May 6th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
I would love to know where JaMarcus Russell would have been drafted if the Raiders had taken Calvin Johnson.
If Nolan Nawrocki from PFW could have such a realistic assessment JR, how many paid professionals would have passed?
May 6th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Zymure,
I think what jaider was saying is our team was below mediocre when we drafted Russell
May 6th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
I know Nawrocki isn’t racist but what he said bordered on racism IMO he didn’t say the same thing abou Leinert that he said about Cam Newton though.
But Mike Mayock says crap like that ONLY about black QB’s where as Nawrocki will spend an honest opinion about anybody in most cases. Mayock is bais………..period
May 6th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Russell would’ve gone in the top 5 no worse that’s what Raiders fans don’t get he was a consensus top 5 pick by everyone damn near. No way that guy fails if he’s on a better team with better players and leadership.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Andrew Walter had the goods…he would’ve probably been alright with HueJax helping him learn, and calling his plays.
Nobody, but nobody, could’ve made JaMarcus WANT to learn…or play better…than he poorly did. JaMarcus = JaMarcus’s worst enemy.
Kim Newton?? His smile’s as phony as the smiles on Barry Switzer and Jerry Jones — that good ol’ boy grin-thru-it all teflon smile. Kim Newton glosses-over serious questions about serious issues…all with that slick smile on his face, like it’s all been good, while deflecting questions. THAT is a phony smile…one that wouldn’t be there if the cameras weren’t there…and one that a normal person wouldn’t have on his face under the same circumstances. Acting smarter than he is…phony from the jump.
One thing about JaMarcus…he was real. Real slow, real lazy, real immature, and real unprofessional. JaMarcus could be read like a book. He’ll never be mature enough to appreciate just how much faith Al Davis put in him…and Al will never stop kicking himself for the wasted years after making the pick.
Kyle Orton?? In a heartbeat. Chicago wasn’t his fault…and Denver’s a mess. The guy competes, and has a level head while under the gun. Perfect type to keep JCampbell on his toes.
Matt Leinart?? No freakin’ way, no freakin’ how. People think Grads has a weak arm…they’ve obviously never seen Leinart throw an NFL pass. Keep that head-case party boy away, we’ve had enough of them.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Mayock has an aura of arrogance to him that I don’t like.
Kiper used to have that, now he just makes fun of himself, and is pretty funny and informative at the same time.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
The Lakers just cannot shoot, and they give up easy shots bad O bad D spells fishing…
May 6th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Ya Walter got shell shocked. U guys remember that years first charger game. Qb was getting lit up.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
If Russell were to get drafted on this team now he has a 50% better chnace to succeed IMO. For one thing his coach would want him. For another this coach would put his foot in his large butt and make him lead. That is the very reason I see good things for Campbell. This coach and Campbell profesionalism are a good match.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
No way I fault Al for taking JaMarcus…he was rated high on most boards, and taking a QB early in the draft is the biggest gamble in the game.
Just like DHB…whether we like where guys get picked or not…if the guy we want is there, it doen’t matter what the pick was. Either the pick will pan-out or he won’t. No matter where they go off the board.
Not too many people screaming about the so-called reach for Wiz2.0, because most pre-draft posts in here were positive about him. I like the pick, because we needed a player like him…and I didn’t want to wait, and risk not getting him. Had everybody (most) in here been anti-Wiz2.0, like they were anti-DHB before the draft…Wiz would be getting torched in here. I just hope he’s as good, and improving, as I think he is.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, Case Keenum, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, Ryan Lindley, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins, and Ryan Tanneyhill are among the QBs who will be available in the 2012 draft.
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Matt Barkley might declare for the draft also next year.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Mayock has an aura of arrogance to him that I don’t like.
Kiper used to have that, now he just makes fun of himself, and is pretty funny and informative at the same time.
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Agreed. Mayock is getting too arrogant and thinks he knows it all and know one can debate him. When someone debates him, he gets defensive and you can tell he doesn’t like it.
I still prefer NFLN over anything BSPN covers on football.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Wiz wasn’t a “reach” he would have been gone 10-15 picks later IMO.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Hayes,
You would like WHOEVER the Raiders drafted. It doesnt matter if you hated him 2 seconds before the pick was made as soon as the hes a Raider, you automatically love the guy. Your opionion on a kid is completely biased and therfore not worth a plug nickle
May 6th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
I’ll go on record and say that as long as he stays healthy, Denarius Moore not only makes the team…he scores at least 3 TD’s this year.
Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore = 2 kids who flat-out know how to go get the football.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Ahh…the pungent odor of troll. Keep looking for your sparring partner, stinky…it ain’t me.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
LOL!! Almost on cue, Hayes Daze prooves the theory. Hayes, you didnt know Darnarious Moore from Demi Moore before the Raiders drafted him….but he flat out knows how to get the football….LMFAO
May 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Who does Darnarious Moore push out Hayes? What WR is gonna lose snaps to Darnarious Moore?
May 6th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Dan Land is MR
May 6th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
No Raider WR even had 3 tds last year but big timer Darnarious Moore will step in and get it done…..only in Raider fan land
May 6th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Why not go back to one of your other aliases, troll?
And…you have absolutely ZERO knowledge of how many times I’ve seen any number of players play…live or on video.
EVERY SINGLE ROOKIE selected this year is a project. Some show more natural football instincts and smarts than others.
It’s sad when people can’t see talent, yet pretend it’s not there. Sadder still…that just to stir-up a little dust, they make themselves look so petty and stoooopid.
Chase that tail, troll!
May 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
EVERYBODY who is sane is MR right Priest?? Are you the same Priest who GUARANTEED Jamarcus Russell woud be a star??? Same guy who called anybody who disagreed an idiot???
May 6th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
I mean the guy DID go in the 5th rd…he MUST be headed for stardom. I KNOW for a FACT you never even heard of the guy before the Raiders took him. That is FACT
May 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Just because the troll doesn’t do his own pre-draft homework, nobody else knows anything about any of these players. There’s logic for ya.
Of course you’re MR…only a few people in here would go out of their way to pick an internet spat, with absolutely zero ammo, the way you do.
Gust! Hahahahahahaha
May 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
There was even talk of Denarius Moore in here BEFORE the draft. But, noooo, we’ve never heard of him before. Those discussions must’ve been added after-the-fact.
When trying to win a “fight,” and the only argument is to try and belittle your opponent, as opposed to throw out facts…one has already lost the battle. Real genius work, that.
Keep going, troll…we’ll get you worked-up into a lather yet.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
not interested retard…
May 6th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Typical reaction..I have only been around these parts for a short time but I already noticed whenever a guy goes against what the HOMER type Raider fans opinion he is automatically refered to as MR…whatever. Fact is you didnt know who any of these guys untill they were drafted. You never saw Darnarious Moore play and you sure as hell never saw Taiwan Jones play. If you say you did, your a flat out liar.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
MR has to keep jumping aliases…he couldn’t even spell GUEST for one his names, and now he’s stuck as Gust372.
GUST!!! Nice spell-check. Hahahahaha
Gust. Like a big stink blowin’ in…with a cloud of orange cheesy-poof dust trailing slowly in its wake.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
everybody knew who they were…………..most of these guys were referred to many times by several in here.
MR GET OUT!!
May 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
The last post is clear evidence that Hayes Daze is beat, has nothing to fall back on and knows hes caught. Period. Hayes Daze knew nothing of the players hes touting before the Raiders selected them. Period end of story.
May 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Priest,
Youve been on here screaming how great Taiwan will be, yet you NEVER once have seen the kid play. EVER. Hows that jive??
May 6th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Keep it up, troll…you’re arguing with yourself.
Taiwan Jones may be from my hometown.
Tennessee might be my fave college football team.
I might know Wiz. I might know all 3 NFL Wizzes.
I might have seen most of these college kids live/on film long before they were even talked about on any blog.
Of course, I might not even know what a football looks like, or how they score home runs in this here game.
BUT…nobody in here will ever think I’m as worthless, or as knowledge-less as the troll/s you are.
Gust.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Da Trinity Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I wanted Calvin Johnson instead of Russell. I had hopes of seeing the Andrew Walters, randy moss, and Calvin Johnson show. To this day I think if Andrew hadn’t went threw that bed and breakfast mess he would have made a decent qb. But when the pick was made I was like oh well let’s roll with it. Kiffin brought Russell along slowly. I feel that Kiffin was that hard nosed coach Russell needed.(imo I believe if Kiffin was allowed to run the raiders how he wanted on both side of the ball, we would be a playoff team.) Russell was a qb who had the talent to succeed. He would make some awesome throws. Then some dumb ones. The organization didn’t help him succeed. They refused to build him an oline, gave him dhb as a number one wr, and the firing of his Kiffin didn’t help him. Al messed up buy not giving his investment the tools and environment to succeed. But Russell is a big boy who shares the blame. I would have been alright with Russell being a bust if he would have had the work ethic of dhb, and studied film like death Ro. The only good thing that may come out of this is a rookie wage scale for the draft.
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This may be the most balanced, insightful post on Russell in the history of this board. I’ve been so frustrated with JR’s handling here, that I’ve ignored his shortcomings. I had mixed feelings when Kiffin was fired. He tweaked Al too much publicly and chased other jobs. But he was a good coach for JR. He assembled the right staff to develop him and stuck to his guns when it came to bringing him along slowly. And the biggest thing to me is he inspired trust by backing him publicly, unlike that fckin stooge Cable. I’m always gonna wonder what could have been.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
You might…but you dont. You might know a thing or 2 about football…you probably do….fact is though, you still spout off about players you know nothing about.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
youtube!!
May 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Ahhhh…..you tube. Thank you so much for making my point Priest. You saw the kids HIGHlights….{chuckles} unreal….
May 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Da Trinity Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I wanted Calvin Johnson instead of Russell. I had hopes of seeing the Andrew Walters, randy moss, and Calvin Johnson show. To this day I think if Andrew hadn’t went threw that bed and breakfast mess he would have made a decent qb. But when the pick was made I was like oh well let’s roll with it. Kiffin brought Russell along slowly. I feel that Kiffin was that hard nosed coach Russell needed.(imo I believe if Kiffin was allowed to run the raiders how he wanted on both side of the ball, we would be a playoff team.) Russell was a qb who had the talent to succeed. He would make some awesome throws. Then some dumb ones. The organization didn’t help him succeed. They refused to build him an oline, gave him dhb as a number one wr, and the firing of his Kiffin didn’t help him. Al messed up buy not giving his investment the tools and environment to succeed. But Russell is a big boy who shares the blame. I would have been alright with Russell being a bust if he would have had the work ethic of dhb, and studied film like death Ro. The only good thing that may come out of this is a rookie wage scale for the draft.
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TJ,
You’re absolutely right. Phil Savage was running the Browns at the time and was advising Russell when he was making the decision to declare for the draft. He called JR before the draft and told him he would be picked at #3 to the Browns if he fell that far.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Debo sometimes it takes time to biuld a team around a QB he has to stay viable until you can that gives him time to develope as well. It takes both parties working together.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Lance Kiffin wasn’t the only coach in the world who could’ve kicked JaMarcus’s big butt. Lance needed somebody like JaMarcus to baby and then beat-up. Lance was as big a joke as an NFL coach as JaMarcus was as a QB.
And both have ZERO heart, or respect, for the GAME or their TEAM.
It’s all about the Benjamins. Baby.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
IOW Russell should still be here…
May 6th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Jerry the difference is that Newton isn’t going to the Raiders. The Raiders are the worst place in the planet for a QB with an attitude problem. Heck, QBs with good attitudes fall apart here.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
I would offer up the troll some services even he could actually join, so that he might also know a little bit about the players he is so quick to mock.
But, we all know he won’t sign-up for any…he’d RATHER have zero knowledge, and an over-abundance of hate and thoughtless comments to prop himself up with. More proof of a lack of intelligence, and a willingness to flaunt it.
Looking good tonight, troll!! Looking smart!
Gust.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Jamarcus Russell was a BUST the second he was drafted by the Raiders. That is 100% truth. If he was drafted by sayyyy the Packers or Saints, he might have had a 30% chance of success
May 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Ahhh…the troll changes his name again.
Smell getting stronger…
May 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
“Will require very tough coaching from a strong, authoritative figure, or he will get away with everything he can and may never develop.”
Bingo.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
HayesDaze, just between me and you, nobody reads your comments that are longer than a couple of sentences.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Hell Hayes, I live 10 minutes from Cheney…I saw more than a few of Taiwans games. Hes a baller. You or your butt buddy Priest dont know that though… As for Moore, never heard of him before, but I also dont claim too have.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
IOW Russell should still be here…
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His being cut had to be more punitive than anything. He beat Denver, played pretty well against Baltimore, spent all summer a the facility and outplayed every QB on the roster the 1st day of minicamp. Remember Nnamdi after that 1st practice? He said it’d be awesome if JR shocked the world and won back his job. I believe he would have done just that if he hadn’t been cut.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Norco’s back! Hey, are you still mad at me, Bob?
May 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
So Jamarcus would have been good if he would have just had a darn authoritative coach, and Andrew Walter had the goods, but just ruined HIS WHOLE CAREER, in 10 games in 2006.
You guys are too funny.
How about the notion that both of those guys just really sucked, and were horrendous draft picks by Al Davis?
May 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
played pretty well against Baltimore
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So 3 points in 7 drives, with two turnovers is “pretty well”?
May 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Just Fire, we’ll never know, is the point. With the Raiders, it’s an automatic incomplete. It’s so chaotic there’s no way to truly judge a player.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
the place is full of trolls tonite lol
guy calls himself Raider lol
May 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Raider Debo IS Priest. That fact was uncovered years ago
May 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
You draft one guy #1 overall, and the other early in the second round.
And after 3 years you release them, and neither one ever sees ONE NFL snap again, by any other team.
Terrible, terrible use of draft picks.
If either guy had any of the “goods” they would still be floating around like a David Carr or something.
Nope, no NFL team even considered them an option as even a backup.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Vegas — There are plenty of examples of talented players not making it. And, some of those players have nobody but themselves to blame for their sh!tty attitudes. No coach was going to save the JaMarcus we all know and (not) love.
Anybody who thinks Andrew Walter had more than a shadow of a chance in Oakland wasn’t paying attention. Walter was the perfect example of a young QB who needed more reps, and a steady offensive philosophy.
Glad we let JaMarcus go…not so with Walter. Didn’t even think we needed JaMarcus, but once he was ours, he was ours. For better, or much worse.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
So Jamarcus would have been good if he would have just had a darn authoritative coach, and Andrew Walter had the goods, but just ruined HIS WHOLE CAREER, in 10 games in 2006.
You guys are too funny.
How about the notion that both of those guys just really sucked, and were horrendous draft picks by Al Davis?
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You’re comparing apples and oranges. I don’t blame Walter for 2006, but he wasn’t in the same universe as JR as a prospect. At least JR had moments here where you had to be excited about the future. Never saw that with Walter. And why would we? The guy was a 3rd rounder. Drafting a QB there is a throw away pick anyway most of the time. Kiffin wasn’t just more authoratative than Cable, he was better. Cable’s best role here was as a line coach, just what he is today.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Ahhh…dinner is ready…
You all enjoy the troll-fest, ya hear?
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
May 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
AW went to the Patriots and they showed him the door and slammed it behind him.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Yeah priest. The Patriots really considered replacing Brady with Andrew Walter. He was there trying out for Brady’s backup, and they went another direction. You kind of left that out. Or, you’re too stupid to realize it. One of the two.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Nope, no NFL team even considered them an option as even a backup.
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Wrong again. He was considered by the Jets, Bengals, Dolphins and the Redskins. Walter us definitely done. We’ll have to wait till aster the lockout to see with JR.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Jamarcus Russell had his best moments in his career at the end of 2008 with Cable coaching and calling plays.
Don’t ever forget that Debo.
Kiffin did nothing for him, Knapp was a disaster, and Hue told him to take a hike.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Debo everyone knows Kiffin was a good coachand we all said so but you cannot be insubordinate you have to at least pretend you respect your employer.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
He was considered by the Jets, Bengals, Dolphins and the Redskins.
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Your not serious are you??
May 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Walter at least took some snaps in the preseason with the Patriots.
Russell hasn’t even got that far yet.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Priest, how does one not be insubordinate with Al Davis? The only way not to be insubordinate with Al is to just sit there and let him ruin the team.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Most of y’all are from California, have any of you seen Ryan Lindley play? From the little I’ve seen/read, the kid seems promising. Could be an option for the Raiders in 2012. Any thoughts?
May 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Jamarcus Russell had his best moments in his career at the end of 2008 with Cable coaching and calling plays.
Don’t ever forget that Debo.
Kiffin did nothing for him, Knapp was a disaster, and Hue told him to take a hike.
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Huh?? How could Hue tell Knapp to get lost when he didn’t come here till 2010??? Knapp left Seattle in 2009. Get your facts straight man. And Knapp is awesome with QBs. He and JR were joined at the hip on the sidelines during games. Cable may have called the plays, but it was Knapp’s offense. I’ve always made the point that we should have kept that intact so we could build off the success we had at the end of 2008. Instead, Cable picks up two bums (Whackit and Tollner) who are currently out of work thanks to Hue.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Walter at least took some snaps in the preseason with the Patriots.
Russell hasn’t even got that far yet.
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“Yet” being the operative word.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
MR no matter how many names you get you’re on ignore………….period
May 6th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
I would love to see Russell back here and motivated he has the ability to be a grea QB if he wants it. It bothers me that he’s not a Raider to this day…….he should be here, but he has to want to be here.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
priesttj Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
No way that guy fails if he’s on a better team with better players and leadership.
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Then someone needs to explain why a team with better players and leadership hasn’t swooped in, salvaged JaMoron’s career and reaped the benefits of this can’t miss QB that was ruined by the Raiders.
With the premium placed on finding decent NFL QB’s, you’d think someone would have signed JaMoron by now.
The guy obviously wanted to return to the NFL (or at least lassoo some more cash by signing with another team) as evidenced by his tryouts with the Fins and the Skins and his ‘life coach’ debacle down in Houston.
No team has signed him and Lucas saw fit to boot JaMoron from his premises.
It’s fair to say the Raids didn’t surround JaMoron with a good supporting cast. It’s fair to say the coaching instability hindered his chances at success.
But it’s not fair and it’s unrealistic to say there’s no way JaMoron would have failed – even if he were placed into an ideal situation.
JaMoron didn’t want it enough and more importantly doesn’t have the mental capability to succeed even if he ever decides he does want it.
You can try to make the case the Raids were negligent in doing whatever they could to help JaMoron’s career. You can use the ‘his mentor died’ excuse as well. I’m not buying into either one as valid or sufficient reasons for JaMoron to so utterly fail.
The reality is JaMoron is still a young man and the evidence is that he’d like to cash another NFL paycheck. Surely there’s another team with ‘better players and leadership’ willing to pay for his services, if his immense talents can eventually help them win some games.
Wonder why one of them hasn’t stepped up to the plate.
Unless and until JaMoron resurfaces and salvages his career with another NFL team all the ‘blame the Raiders’ for his epic bust status is baseless and an insult to the organization.
You say there’s no way he’d have failed under better circumstances.
I say there’s no way he’d have succeeded in even the best of circumstances.
He’s young, his cash isn’t limitless and if he wants to earn some more bank he’ll try again.
Let’s see what happens. Until he succeeds, he’s got only one person to blame for his failures – himself.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Then someone needs to explain why a team with better players and leadership hasn’t swooped in, salvaged JaMoron’s career and reaped the benefits of this can’t miss QB that was ruined by the Raiders.
With the premium placed on finding decent NFL QB’s, you’d think someone would have signed JaMoron by now.
The guy obviously wanted to return to the NFL (or at least lassoo some more cash by signing with another team) as evidenced by his tryouts with the Fins and the Skins and his ‘life coach’ debacle down in Houston.
No team has signed him and Lucas saw fit to boot JaMoron from his premises.
It’s fair to say the Raids didn’t surround JaMoron with a good supporting cast. It’s fair to say the coaching instability hindered his chances at success.
But it’s not fair and it’s unrealistic to say there’s no way JaMoron would have failed – even if he were placed into an ideal situation.
JaMoron didn’t want it enough and more importantly doesn’t have the mental capability to succeed even if he ever decides he does want it.
You can try to make the case the Raids were negligent in doing whatever they could to help JaMoron’s career. You can use the ‘his mentor died’ excuse as well. I’m not buying into either one as valid or sufficient reasons for JaMoron to so utterly fail.
The reality is JaMoron is still a young man and the evidence is that he’d like to cash another NFL paycheck. Surely there’s another team with ‘better players and leadership’ willing to pay for his services, if his immense talents can eventually help them win some games.
Wonder why one of them hasn’t stepped up to the plate.
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Have you been living in a cave? There’s this little thing called a lockout preventing hundreds of free agents from signing with teams. Let me help you. Go to Google, type in ESPN and hit enter.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
I have to agree to a certain extent but the lockout keeps everyone at bay so we can’t say for sure. I can’t help but think if he’s in shape and ready that some team would take him in a heartbeat with all the bad QB play in this league. Hell we could use him….
May 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Last I checked there was no lockout last year, and Jamarcus was jobless.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Have you been living in a cave? There’s this little thing called a lockout preventing hundreds of free agents from signing with teams. Let me help you. Go to Google, type in ESPN and hit enter.
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Let me help you.
JaMoron was released before the 2010 season began. An ENTIRE SEASON passed with teams in desperate need of QB help and the opportunity to sign JR.
Yet not one of them bit.
Feel free to continue to believe in the greatness of JaMoron Russell. It’s great comic relief.
I’m way past that.
I’m more concerned about finding a viable alternative to the bum that’s currently slotted as the Raid starting QB for 2011.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Last I checked there was no lockout last year, and
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Yeah, that bullschitt Triaminic case really screwed him. By the time the grand jury laughued it out of court, the season was almost over. Then the lockout. This labor unrest hasn’t been kind to JR. His contract
would have protected him had 2010 not been uncapped.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
That’s last year it’s 2011 just in case you didn’t know, when the lockout is lifted and camps start up if he’s not in someone’s camp you have a case. Until then it’s all speculation. I just wnat to see if the kid loves the game if he does he’ll find a way to get on some team in some league and play.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Raiderman99 you can say JC sucks all you want, truth is he has started his entire career for a reason. Coaches want to win if he’s starting it’s because he can play. Just thought I’d help you with that logic.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
priest, you address me all the time, just not by name. Half of your comments address my points, you just pretend you’re talking to everyone. Nice try.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Jason Campbell is the first starter for the Raiders since Gannon with a winning record. No matter how hard you try to discredit him for those wins no one else can say that. So there must be something to it.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Russell ended up being a bust and I agree that Kim will bust too. The guy is so damn conceited its not even funny. I watched his interview with Deon and that was enough for me to see regarding his personality. I already think his skill level as it translates to the NFL is not there. The guy is no Sam Bradford thats for sure. And before Bradford came out I said to myself he was going ot be a very good QB. Kim = another Tim Teabow.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Priest,
I would rather have Landry Jones than Matt Barkley anyway, even though Barkley is considered the better pro prospect at this point.
I was born and raised a Sooner fan, so obviously I’m biased toward the kid, but he is a talent nonetheless and I think he’s going to be a great pro.
I watch as many OU games as I can so I’ve seen him play quite a lot, but if anyone really wants to know what he’s capable of just rewatch the fourth quarter of the Oklahoma State game from last year. He’s the real deal.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
I may have ended up rolling with Russell at the end of the day out of necessity because the guy clearly had the talent to be great; but trust you me, I watched his interviews too and it turned me off. I knew he was all about the money and didn’t really want to be as great as he could be. You could read him in the interview.
Same with Kim. That guy has a fake smile and is waaaayy too damn conceited for my taste. And on top of that I don’t think his talent translates into the NFL. The guy has a weak arm and cannot run an offense from the pocket as the NFL would dictate.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Auburn’s national championship game they tried to make every damn effort imaginable to show Kim can run an offense from the pocket and make the passes like a real NFL QB – in my book – it didn’t even come close to measuring up. Those soft/weak/telegraphed throws are ripe for pickings in the NFL.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
I’m not sure I agree with that Terrapin Cam for sure needs work and would have been better suited to stay in school. But conceit aside he is really talented conceit never hurt anyone in pro sports as long as he works hard to be great he has the tools to do so. His arm is better than you think and he’s more accurate than most think although that will take time to prove. Once he catches up to the speed of the game I’ll think he’ll make plays he’s just too gifted. Carolina has measure out the playbook and give him time to adjust if they do he has a chance to be great. IMHO
May 6th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
True ..you can never discount desire if someone has it they can acheive …but Kim is so far behind the curve as it relates to reading defenses and managing the game imho it’ll be that much harder for him to succeed.
His first instinct is to run. The kid was not coached to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball. (I don’t thnk he can do that successfully anyway with that arm – its below NFL avg standards imho ..maybe a tad above Luke McCown). And I don’t think Carolina is going to coach him to run a offense from the pocket for his long term benefit. They are going to try to change that offense to match him and get away from really showing him how to succeed long term. Watch.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
143.TerrapinRaider Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Auburn’s national championship game they tried to make every damn effort imaginable to show Kim can run an offense from the pocket and make the passes like a real NFL QB – in my book – it didn’t even come close to measuring up. Those soft/weak/telegraphed throws are ripe for pickings in the NFL.
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Really? I think I’ll go with Carolina’s scouts instead of you. Check the videos and tell me you don’t see a pro QB.
http://smartfootball.com/quarterbacking/did-cam-newton-play-in-a-one-read-passing-offense-at-auburn
May 6th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Early in a QB’s career is critical if you handle him right you can biuld his confidence if you don’t you can destroy it. He has to get settled in before the demands of the organization are thrust on his shoulders.
If people were truely forthright they would say that’s why Matt Ryan and Flacco were successful they were spoonfed. They weren’t asked to handle more than they could. That is the key to success with young QB’s some are far more advanced than others dso you have to know YOUR QB and handle him accordingly.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
A coaches responsibility is to win and I think the coach would be wise to adjust his offense in order to win. But to say he can’t learn processions is not the case IMO he can and I think he will because this kid is driven he may be cocky but he’s cocky in a good way. It will take him 3-4 years to become proficient but so did Aaron Rodgers.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Playing in the spread, only taking shotgun snaps, and only startn 1 year= el busto for Newton.
Not many QBs, if any, have had NFL success with those 3 attributes. Best college player Ive seen though.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
I just don’t see it with this kid. He isn’t Sam Bradford, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, McNabb ….heck doesn’t even stack up to Russell, Leaf, Couch et al who busted as 1sts. If you put him in anyone of those drafts the guy would be a joke!
But in this not so distinct class he looks like the best and thats is very debatable to most.
I’m telling you. I watched the championship game and I didn’t see a NFL QB. I saw a QB that didn’t look all that comfortable when in the pocket and very limited in the whole offensive scheme.
He doesn’t wow me. Thats for sure.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Most of y’all are from California, have any of you seen Ryan Lindley play? From the little I’ve seen/read, the kid seems promising. Could be an option for the Raiders in 2012. Any thoughts?
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Oh yeah Lindley from SDSU baby! He can play….shhhhh…he would be a good 3rd Rounder for the Raiders next year. Doubt he falls that far though. I’m hoping the Raiders TRADE DOWN in the 1st Round next year and get more picks.
I like Lindley’s upside!
May 6th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Oh yeah, when they showed how few starts this guy had in college, which I didn’t know before, I was almost shocked …his lack of experience alone is enough to try to overcome not to mention his lack of pure QB capability ala Russell. But with that guys ego, I can see him thinking he can just step in with as few as 1 start under his belt.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Cam may turn out to be a great QB.
But it won’t be the way he did it in college.
All these running spread QB’s, like Tebow, are in for a big shock when they realize that they don’t get to convert every 3rd and 3 like they did in college, by just taking a shotgun snap and barrelling into the line and into LB’s who are smaller than them.
3rd down conversions are what seperates good from great QB’s, and these collegiate spread QB’s come very ill-equipped to handle the transition to the NFL in these regards.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Anyway. I just glad the Raiders were not forced to take him. The only QB I really wanted over the past few years was Bradford. That guy is on a piss poor team and you never know if he can overcome it but he’s good enough to bring them from the bottom to almost average and contending.
We got a Center and possibly as starting RT over time. In a draft with no 1st round pick, I consider that a great success to potentially knab two starters.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Nawrocki nailed it.
I think it was A. North Whitehead who said:
“It takes a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious.”
Lotta people missed on Russell.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Sam Bradford is a rare player due to his understanding ofthe passing game and his uncanny accuracy. He’s head and shoulders better than Ryan or Flacco he’s in Payton Mannings class. But T’pin they all learned to be great all of them Gannon made himself a great QB he didn’t have what Cam Newton has. But that is my point if Cam has the drive I think he has learning the position will not be an issue and when you have his immense talent to go with it it’s much easier.
Charlie Frye knows the QB position like the back of his hand but he has no talent. Same with Bruce he works hard and studies but he’s limited same with guys like Orton they’ll never be great QB’s because theuy hav e limited talent whereas Cam talent is unlimited same with Russell all he needs to do is WORK HARD.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
It’s not about collegiate success that makes a great NFL QB.
Tom Brady threw for less than half as many TD’s as Tim Coach or Ty Detmer did. David Klinger threw more TD’s in one season than Josh Freeman did his entire collegiate career.
It’s all about there skill-set, and how they did achieve their success in college.
These running, only sit in shotgun, no ability to audible, spread QB’s, literally have to change everything they have been doing there whole life in the NFL.
Meanwhile guys like Jay Cutler who play for crappy collegiate teams, get blown out weekly, but learn to fight and scrap and read defenses and deal with adversity, turn out much better.
Just the way it is.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Very few QB’s are as accurate as Sam Bradford is, he is extraordinary.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
JFB that crap has nothing to do with anything either you have talent or you don’t once the talent is there the rest is hard work. Where you came from and who you played for makes no difference. It boils down to the talent level and the dedication to the position.
Sam Bradford played in a spread and NEVER took a snap from center. Until he played in the NFL. he’s just extremely talented.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
I guess from my perspective I don’t think he has the prequisite talent. I just don’t see the arm like you all see it. Its relatively inferior and telegrah for NFL standards imo.
Almost the 1st think Cam said when he got drafted: Deon asked him what he was going to do now?
Cam Newton: “I’m going on vacation”
LOL. Dude, you said everything right b4 the draft; but DAMN did you get that one wrong!! LOL.
But thats nitpicking so I just left it alone. (Even one of the guys on NFLN was like ‘wtf? ..vacation’?)
May 6th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Tom brady made himself a great QB the talent was there but he added extremely hard work and dedication to be great. Most QB’s that come into this league get their minds blown before they ever get started. They stop working because they don’t believe they can get it done. They stop working!!!
May 6th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
I saw Bradford being one of the great QBs the 1st game I saw him play on TV in college. I said to myself then whoever gets that guy is going to lucky and set for years. You can see his brilliance on the field in college!
May 6th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
But I guess thats the point I’m making. You look at the past QBs that came out #1. You rank Cam Newton against these QBs as they were coming out of college to be fair and its not even close.
Cam Newton is like a 2nd round talent at best. Bradford vs Newton. Not even close.
Brady vs Newton. Get the f’k outta here.
Young vs Newton. Not in the same league.
McNabb vs Newton. Get real.
Even Russell vs Newton. Not is the same hemisphere.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Correction: Sorry not Brady vs Newton; but MANNING(S) vs Newton.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Bradford didn’t convert his 3rd and 3’s in college by just running over people.
He read the defense and dropped a pin-point accurate pass.
EVERY guy in the NFL has talent, this whole “your either talented or not” is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
Plenty of talented guys, who are good guys and hard-workers, who never amount to much in the NFL. Look at the 49ers trio of QB’s.
Troy and Alex Smith, David Carr. Three extremely talented and athletic guys, who are widely considered good-guys and hard workers.
All 3 suck.
Care to explain Priest?
May 6th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
157.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
It’s not about collegiate success that makes a great NFL QB.
Tom Brady threw for less than half as many TD’s as Tim Coach or Ty Detmer did. David Klinger threw more TD’s in one season than Josh Freeman did his entire collegiate career.
It’s all about there skill-set, and how they did achieve their success in college.
These running, only sit in shotgun, no ability to audible, spread QB’s, literally have to change everything they have been doing there whole life in the NFL.
Meanwhile guys like Jay Cutler who play for crappy collegiate teams, get blown out weekly, but learn to fight and scrap and read defenses and deal with adversity, turn out much better.
Just the way it is.
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Off the mark again. Most QBs were dominant in college. Sam Bradford, Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, need I go on? If you get drafted near the top of the draft, you’ve got the goods. From there, several factors play a part in whether the guy fails or has success. No definitive answers there.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
In my book there’s no way he should have been drafted #1. No way. (Apparently Charlie Casserly agrees with me as he had him as a late 1st/2nd round prospect – most definitely not a top of the 1st).
May 6th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Most collegiate QB’s are dominant.
Go look around. There were probably 30 guys last year in college who threw for 20 TD’s and 3,000 yards.
Two of them were not named Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker, and they went in the top 10.
Why?
Skill-set. Not production, not even necessarily off the chart talent or athleticism (in Gabbert’s case).
What they do in college, is what will be asked of them in the pro’s, and that’s what the NFL coach (who has about 2-3 years to succeed or get canned) wants.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
I saw Bradford being one of the great QBs the 1st game I saw him play on TV in college. I said to myself then whoever gets that guy is going to lucky and set for years. You
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I thought Bradford was an awesome ollege QB, but I’m kind of surprised at his success. I just figured he was another Nate Hybl, Josh Huepel or Jason White. But he did pretty well last year. Still a little too early to tell though.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
outtro. good debate though. i just think the guy is a bust in the waiting. his game does not translate to the NFL.
he’s another glorified tim teabow
May 6th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Every QB in the NFL is takented enough to be there or they wouldn’t be there but we’re talking about greatness not just being there.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
We were talking about Cam Newton being a great QB or a bust he could stay in the NFL for 10 years and still be a bust see Davis Carr
May 6th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
I thought Bradford was an awesome ollege QB, but I’m kind of surprised at his success. I just figured he was another Nate Hybl, Josh Huepel or Jason White. But he did pretty well last year. Still a little too early to tell though.
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no no no bro …I was seeing that kid making NFL throws in college. You can never tell the future; but that kid was making stick throws in college! I was astounded. If memory serves me correctly I even think McFadden was still there and I was more impressed with the QB than the star RB getting all the notoriety. (I could be wrong/confused on this point though).
May 6th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
But I do clearly remember my thoughts of Bradford the 1st time watching him play and the throws he was making in college.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
I think we can all agree that no one is going to draft a QB that waasn’t great in college in the 1st 3 rnds. That goes without saying.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Gabbert had a good sophomore year. And Locker had a nice run as a junior including, an upset win over USC. But I agree, each guy’s skill set got them drafted where they were. Both were very highly recruited just like Cam and Mallett. Mallett must have some big-time skeletons in the closet to drop as far as he did.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
174.TerrapinRaider Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
But I do clearly remember my thoughts of Bradford the 1st time watching him play and the throws he was making in college.
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Accuracy is the name of his game. Even though they lost the title game to Florida that year, you could see how good he was.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
175.priesttj Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
I think we can all agree that no one is going to draft a QB that waasn’t great in college in the 1st 3 rnds. That goes without saying.
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I agree. I always thought Tom Brady was good in college. You can’t be a chump and start at Michigan.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
people like to hate on cam cuz they dont like him. terrapin dont know what the fook he talkin about sayin cam’s arm is inferior. that says all i need to know. every damn scout and gm feels he has a very strong arm and u can tell by watching him play he has 1. dude has incredible talent and knows how to win. you dont succeed the way he has and not be driven to perfect your craft. i will definitely be watchin the panthers play now. i hope he kicks azz and prove all the self righteous haters wrong. except of course whenever they play the raiders.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:01 am
Whoever drafts him better make sure they properly evaluate his mental makeup and character, or they could set back their franchise at least three years.
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You defenders of all things Al like to say that “hindsight is 20/20,” but the fact is professional corporations do this kind of evaluation all the time. These kinds of personality assessments are widely available, making highly speculative crap shoots unnecessary–that is, unless your CEO is the Old Creeper who still likes to shoot from the gut.
Keep in mind this is exactly what pundits have been remarking about this year’s draft: that the Raiders don’t worry about value or other intangibles, they zero in who they like, draft him where they like, and disregard all other analysis, etc.
So I ask you: does this sound familiar? And if you were investing in this team, would you lay your money on the whims of an 82 year old eccentric? Bottom line is Al could have saved himself millions had he just heeded a well-researched report (or, alternatively, let his coaches enforce some tough love without interfering. But he’s incapable of either). This was absolutely unconscionable and illustrative of everything that’s wrong with the leadership of this franchise.
May 7th, 2011 at 4:56 am
May you live in interesting times.
May 7th, 2011 at 5:15 am
There’s a new drink at your local tavern:
It’s a bin Laden, two shots and a little water.
May 7th, 2011 at 5:28 am
“Has as much potential as any quarterback to enter the draft, but the team that drafts him better have an experienced and patient veteran coaching staff in place to provide the tough coaching he will need to develop.”
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Russel most likely would have failed anyway, but he was drafted by the worst possible team.
May 7th, 2011 at 5:43 am
KoolKell Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
“The Raiders have won 42% of their games since 1989.”
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And you’ll still be here chiming in. Any other gems?
May 7th, 2011 at 5:44 am
Meanwhile guys like Jay Cutler who play for crappy collegiate teams, get blown out weekly, but learn to fight and scrap and read defenses and deal with adversity, turn out much better.
Just the way it is.
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Tom Brady 3 rings, Jay Cutler 0
Just the way it REALLY is.
May 7th, 2011 at 5:51 am
“I’m way past that.
I’m more concerned about finding a viable alternative to the bum that’s currently slotted as the Raid starting QB for 2011.”
You mean the bum that went 6-0 in division, including a sweep of San Diego…last QB to do that was Gannon, I believe. We’re annointing a QB that isnt even on the team, nor has been drafted, above Campbell.
Be sure to have your thumb out by the side of the road by week 8, since the Bandwagon will be off and running by then…
May 7th, 2011 at 6:01 am
OK. The guy has an “adequate” arm ..but don’t go on trying to tell me this guy has a strong arm. You watch any Cam highlights and all you see is a guy running up n down the field. Thats not going to cut it in the NFL. Runs get harder and the hits get harder. He won’t last long in this league as a QB doing that.
I watched this guy play, watched his throws and I was not impressed with the overall product.
You guys go gittie over these highlights and watching the guy run up n down the field bowling over people etc. Tim Teabow did the same damn thing. He didn’t impress me either. Sure that sht may work in college; but in the NFL you can kiss that sht goodbye.
So the question becomes: Can he lead from the pocket?
May 7th, 2011 at 7:22 am
So the question becomes: Can he lead from the pocket?
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Terrapin,
In reality that is the question to ask of EVERY collegiate prospect, but if you bring that up about Cam, some people feel the need to go completely out of their way to tell you that you either don’t know anything about football, are a “self-righteous hater”, or just a plain old racist.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:51 am
some people also just like to talk sh!t like they know everything. cam’s arm isnt adequate, its strong whether u wanna agree or not. cam and tebow are nothing alike. jfb spare me the bullsh!t cuz youre one of the main ones in here judging players if they dont fit YOUR standards. people said all kinds of racist
sh!t about russell before, during and after the draft and u didnt say a damn thing about it. yes alot of you in here are very self righteous and its a shame yall are to chicken sh!t to admit it.
May 7th, 2011 at 8:00 am
FUK Willie Mcginest, uneducated FUK! To give the Raiders a D for the draft is rediculous.
May 7th, 2011 at 8:29 am
willie mac is just the typical ignorant analyst that doesnt know anything about what the raiders are doing. he says what every1else says. i like how these experts dont even break down the players and why they like/dislike the picks. its way too simple to just say theyre just some HWS guys. thats todays media for u tho. they may as well give the semi pros in here an analyst job.
May 7th, 2011 at 8:36 am
Paul hackett was ja Marcus’ QB coach
that’s a pretty damn good QB coach
he’s coached some of the best.
Ja Marcus just had no ambition to become what some thought he could
the authoritive figure was his uncle who past away
pretty much that was the end of ja Marcus when that occured
Javon walker never came along Chaz bones are always broken
DMAC ate to much fast food an DHB was….well DHB
all he had was z miller an Murphy.
But most of all he had no ambition.
Jamarcus needs to try the arena league!!!
May 7th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Most of the talking heads on ESPN, NFL Network, etc. don’t have access to game film, so they might was well be “semi-pros”. They’re no better than bloggers.
Kiper, Mayock, Cossel, and Casserly are a few of the guys who actually do their homework. But McShay, Schefter, and most of the ex-players they get on these shows? Their opinion isn’t any more worthwhile than yours or mine.
May 7th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Armond,
What standards do I ask of my players?
They work hard, and not act like an idiot and end up in jail like Vick.
That’s what I ask for.
And Tebow and Cam nothing alike??
Heisman trophy winner. National Champion. Attempted more runs than passes in college. Spread offense. SEC QB. Beat up in the press before the draft. Doubts about their sincerity.
Yes Cam has a lot better throwin motion and arm strength. But they have a lot of similarities, that people like YOU won’t admit, because they hate Tim Tebow because he is a jesus freak, and defend Cam because they think the white man is picking on him.
Sorry bro, that’s just the way I see it.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:09 am
42.edward teach Says:
May 6th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Really think Al played it well by holding off on a QB in this year’s draft. Virtually every team that needed one reached for what was avialable this year (which means it’s very likely they won’t take a QB two years in a row), and Matt Barkley and Landry Jones (if he comes out) will be sitting behind Andrew Luck next year. If Davis likes one of them you can bet he’ll try and trade up if it’s necessary, and with everyone taking one this year he probably won’t have to go very high to do it.
I would take Barkley or Landry Jones over virtually any QB that was available this year.
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You make a very good point ET.
I certainly wanted Al to go for a QB in the draft but it’s not like Sam Brandford was out there.
The guy I really want is Andrew Luck but I see him going elsewhere-and I wouldn’t be suprised to see the whiners get him.
We still need a QB for this year. Campbell is at least average but the backup is suspect.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Most people are rating the Raider draft as somewhere between a b and a c.
If you’re going to give them a grade it has to be somewhere in the B- range just because of the OL reinforcements.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Grading drafts before any body has even played a down, is beyond ridiculous.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:18 am
This is one of the many reasons why the Ravens have a great organization from top to bottom:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/07/veteran-ravens-reaching-out-to-jimmy-smith/
This is why I hope the culture in Oakland has changed for good.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:30 am
THANKS JFB,POST-197.GET BACK 2 ME IN AT LEAST 3 YRS AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC DRAFT.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Wuuuuuuuu huuuuuu
we won over germany!
May 7th, 2011 at 9:50 am
the thing about analysts is that it is impossible to take an objective stance with teams in a competitive atmosphere. if you grew up with a sport you will always love and hate certain players, coaches, owners and teams. especially as an ex player. maurice jones drew for example on nfl’s top 100 said he will always be a raider fan and wants to see them do well. even when he played against us he had nothing but respectful things to say on the sideline. just the way it is. impossible to be unbiased. that said i give our draft a C without having seen anyone play. just my opinion.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Just Fire Baby, most black people are Jesus freaks. So your point makes no sense.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:03 am
RAIDER Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Just Fire Baby, most black people are Jesus freaks. So your point makes no sense.
__________________________________________________________’most people’ doesnt matter he talked about two specific people, the one being a bible thumper is white, no argument can change that…
May 7th, 2011 at 10:09 am
LMN, you don’t make much sense either, mainly due to poor grammar. But nonetheless, Just Fire Baby is clearly trying to divide blacks and whites with his comment and he’s doing so by invoking the Christian faith, which is retarded because the Christian faith is just about the one thing blacks and whites have in common in America. He pained himself into a corner, and you can defend him with your poor grammar all you like.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:09 am
“painted” himself into a corner, not “pained”. That’s called a typo, btw.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Cam Newton’s a bible thumper, too. He just doesn’t flaunt his religion as much as Tebow.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:34 am
197.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Grading drafts before any body has even played a down, is beyond ridiculous.
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Couldn’t agree more
May 7th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Raider fans get really excited about drafts, and even use them to credit Al Davis for still “having it”, even when the player hasn’t played a down. That’s definitely a Raider fan thing.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Let’s go four yrs back or five. Save for Russell an John Bowie.
Starting from then to now. Have the raiders drafted well. Based on players still on the roster
an there productivity. How would the raiders grade out.
Anyone???
May 7th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Clearly you don’t want to go by won/loss records, right, R8dercain?
May 7th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Armond,
What standards do I ask of my players?
They work hard, and not act like an idiot and end up in jail like Vick.
That’s what I ask for.
And Tebow and Cam nothing alike??
Heisman trophy winner. National Champion. Attempted more runs than passes in college. Spread offense. SEC QB. Beat up in the press before the draft. Doubts about their sincerity.
Yes Cam has a lot better throwin motion and arm strength. But they have a lot of similarities, that people like YOU won’t admit, because they hate Tim Tebow because he is a jesus freak, and defend Cam because they think the white man is picking on him.
Sorry bro, that’s just the way I see it.
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If they’re so similar as players, why did Cam go #1 and Tebow near the end of the 1st round? And remember a couple of things. Tebow wasn’t even the 1st pick by the Broncos last year. They took an injured WR before him. Also, on a scale of one to 10, Tebow rates 100 in the intangible department. Cam can’t even smile right. So how do you figure these guys are so similar as players? Again JFB, I’ll defer to the scouts on this one.
May 7th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Just Fire Baby’s a troll. Don’t pay attention to him. You can’t see the race baiting?
May 7th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Defer to the scouts on what?
I never said they were the same level of prospects, just that they have a lot of similarities coming out of college.
Cam has a better ball, and a better throwing motion. Tebow threw almost 800 more collegiate passes, and played almost as many games against Alabama, LSU and Auburn, as Cam did total games.
Not exact fits, but anyone who doesn’t see some similarities between their two styles and how they achieved their collegiate succees is a either just stupid, not a football fan, or MORE THAN LIKELY mad that the lily-white guy is being compared to their cherished black crown jewel of prospects.
May 7th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Wow, JFB, you almost made it an entire comment without saying something racist. It’s improvement.
May 7th, 2011 at 11:42 am
RAIDER Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 10:09 am
LMN, you don’t make much sense either, mainly due to poor grammar. But nonetheless, Just Fire Baby is clearly trying to divide blacks and whites with his comment and he’s doing so by invoking the Christian faith, which is retarded because the Christian faith is just about the one thing blacks and whites have in common in America. He pained himself into a corner, and you can defend him with your poor grammar all you like.
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1st.. sorry for my poor grammar, i was out drinking last night and my english kinda suck the day after =)
2nd.. I didnt defend JFB, I commented that you post didnt have anything to do with what he said..
3rd.. I dont care much for religion, and I feel if you are religious, you should keep it for your self, not like the biblethumpers or the jesus-freaks, whom all try to stuff their religion down our throats..
4th.. I dont like any of the two QB’s its all hype, as usual. Not much substance
5th.. I dont think JFB tries to devide Blacks or whites.. I just see him trying to hold Cam-worshipers up to their own standards, the same negative things they say about Tebow, you can say about Cam. The possitive things you can say about Cam you can say about Tebow…
May 7th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Blaming the alcohol, now? Dork. Don’t drink if you can’t handle it.
May 7th, 2011 at 11:45 am
RAIDER Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Just Fire Baby’s a troll. Don’t pay attention to him. You can’t see the race baiting?
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Bwahahahaha, come on man, he has been a regular dude here for at least 2 years..
May 7th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Dude, what is your deal with JFB? Are you his boyfriend? For crying out loud, get off his nuts and let him defend himself. What kind of cheerleading groupie are you? I’ve never seen him defend you like this. You are sad. And, he is race baiting. In just about every comment. Maybe you can’t see it because you’ve got this weird little man crush on him and you can’t see any of the bad. I call it as I see it.
May 7th, 2011 at 11:49 am
RAIDER Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Blaming the alcohol, now? Dork. Don’t drink if you can’t handle it.
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oh I CAN handle it, Im just not great with foreign language the day after..
How great are your 2nd language ‘the day after’ ?? if you got one, well you probably dont..
May 7th, 2011 at 11:52 am
RAIDER Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Dude, what is your deal with JFB? Are you his boyfriend?
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Bwhahahhahahaha, no, Im just objective, something I guess you never been…
but I might ask, whats YOUR deal with JFB? are you his EX-Boyfriend?????…. you are clearly acting like that…
May 7th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
No just by the player an there on productivity.
While we’ve been losing. We have drafted some players who’ve made the roster an been productive.
Not alot but Theres a few
May 7th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
You’re not objective. You’re defending a race baiting troll.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Well, I only judge draft picks based on wins. So, you know how I feel about most of them.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
202.RAIDER Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Just Fire Baby, most black people are Jesus freaks. So your point makes no sense.
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There’s a freak on here and I believe you’re IT jackarse.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Argh argh there’s a freak on here and I believe you’re it jackarse argh argh
May 7th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
212.RAIDER Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Just Fire Baby’s a troll. Don’t pay attention to him. You can’t see the race baiting?
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YOU are the troll idiot whereas Vegas is a Raider fan.
Go screw yourself.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
but I might ask, whats YOUR deal with JFB? are you his EX-Boyfriend?????…. you are clearly acting like that…
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LOL…..well played LMN.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
argh argh YOU are the troll idiot whereas Vegas is a Raider fan. Go screw yourself argh argh jolly old mate.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
argh argh
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What a comeback. You’re absolutely not worth wasting time on.
Like they say, don’t feed the trolls.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Wow, JFB, an entire comment that isn’t racist! You did it! Your first of the day, I think.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
argh argh jolly ol mate What a comeback. You’re absolutely not worth wasting time on. Like they say, don’t feed the trolls argh argh
May 7th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Hey LMN, you got lucky against Deutschland.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
I wonder if Lamar Odom’s defensive lapses and inability to score on Peja Stojavich will be on the next episode of Khloe and Lamar.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Wow, that’s 2! Good job, JFB. Although of course you’re implying race in the most recent comment. But no big. We’re looking for improvement.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
C’mon guys…you all know who that is.
Race-baiting?? Not only is he one of the kings of trolls, he is the #1 race-baiting troll.
Vegas Baby is right on about Kim Newton and Tebow having similar styles…regardless of each guy’s individual physical traits. Their legs, and scrambling abilities, make them more difficult to defend, and were responsible for their college success. Not so easy in the NFL, where the arm is THE thing.
And they’re both big-time religerous…but one of them seems to walk that line he preaches a little better than the other one does. With or without that part of their lives thrown into the mix…one of them is also easier to believe (and believe in) than the other.
That said, they’re both young…and people, especially young people, do stupid things. Not expecting any…but still, it wouldn’t surprise me if either of the two gets in “trouble” somewhere along the way, and it has nothing to do with the color of anybody’s skin. It has everything to do with previous actions, words, and reactions to previous occurences though. And we know that one of those two guys has plenty of questions in that regard.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Even JaMarcus didn’t come out of college with the questions and baggage that will continue to tug on Kim’s custom-made coattails.
At least Kim shows a desire to play the game…and he wants to prove people wrong about their thinking of him as a NFL QB prospect. JaMarcus was more, “What you see is what you get”…and what we saw was exactly what we got. The only thing he proved was that he got his.
I put Kim Newton’s possibility of success (as a starter) in the NFL right about the same as the other guys chosen in the draft. He may be slated to be a starter…but that doesn’t mean he’ll find long-term success there. His career is on no more solid footing than Ryan Mallett’s is…and it’s maybe even on shakier ground.
Now, there are two guys with a lot of questions about their respective character and leadership abilities. Kim’s expected to jump right in…and Mallett’s not expected to do anything for years (if ever…so many people have written him off). But, they’re both up against it…by the time Mallett is given the reins, it’s entirely possible Kim’s career will be already defined.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Well at least there is a few level-headed people out there who see what I was getting at with Cam vs. Tebow.
Well done LMN and Hayes.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Hey LMN, you got lucky against Deutschland.
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we outplayed them, but didnt win in regular-time, so no quarterfinals for us, but we won! with 2-1 in penalties.. so now we only play for the rankings..
but hey, we have only 4000 players here, that be women, men, juniors and seniors ( thats 4000 players total in the intire country).. in toronto they have 4000 referees LOL.. so as long we are in the A-world cup, im proud, gotta be realistic though, not like we will win over US, Canada, Check or sweden in a final anyhoo… but hey, lets at least try LOL
May 7th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
I think the Pats drafted Mallet with the intention of grooming him for two years than hopefully trading him for what they spent (a 3rd rounder) or better.
May 7th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
235.HayesDaze37 Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
C’mon guys…you all know who that is.
Race-baiting?? Not only is he one of the kings of trolls, he is the #1 race-baiting troll.
Vegas Baby is right on about Kim Newton and Tebow having similar styles…regardless of each guy’s individual physical traits. Their legs, and scrambling abilities, make them more difficult to defend, and were responsible for their college success. Not so easy in the NFL, where the arm is THE thing.
And they’re both big-time religerous…but one of them seems to walk that line he preaches a little better than the other one does. With or without that part of their lives thrown into the mix…one of them is also easier to believe (and believe in) than the other.
That said, they’re both young…and people, especially young people, do stupid things. Not expecting any…but still, it wouldn’t surprise me if either of the two gets in “trouble” somewhere along the way, and it has nothing to do with the color of anybody’s skin. It has everything to do with previous actions, words, and reactions to previous occurences though. And we know that one of those two guys has plenty of questions in that regard.
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I thinks this effort to make Tebow and Newton the same player is really weird. Please, explain to me what your point is. If it makes you sleep better at night to know that they both made plays with their legs in college, knock yourself out. But in NFL circles, Newton is head and shoulders ABOVE Tebow. The scouting process doesn’t lie. Jobs are on the line. Newton went #1 overall, Tebow went at the bottom of the 1st round. Denver thought more of a WR with a boken foot than it did of Tebow. Get the picture?
May 7th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
239.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
I think the Pats drafted Mallet with the intention of grooming him for two years than hopefully trading him for what they spent (a 3rd rounder) or better.
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One would think if the Pats were to take a couple years to groom Mallet they would definetley expect better than a 3rd rounder. Just to say he was coached by Bellicheat and learned from Brady makes him a minimum 2nd rounder.
(Unless he really stinks it up in preseason or mop up duty)
May 7th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
The point is that Tebow and Cam face some of the exact same challenges to become quality NFL QB’s.
Ability to learn NFL offenses? Check
Evolve from a 15 passes 20 rushes a game QB, to a 30 passes 5 rushes a game QB? Check
Fix there flawed footwork, and learn to operate from under center? Check
Learn to manage the game from within the pocket? Check
Of course Cam doesn’t have the throwing motion issues that Tebow does, and Tebow thrived in Florida while Cam got kicked out, so Tebow doesn’t have the perceived character issues as Cam, but there is a ton of similarities.
May 7th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Ability to learn NFL offenses? Check
Evolve from a 15 passes 20 rushes a game QB, to a 30 passes 5 rushes a game QB? Check
Fix there flawed footwork, and learn to operate from under center? Check
Learn to manage the game from within the pocket? Check
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These concerns are way overrated. You could cite one or all of these challenges for every college QB entering the league in the last 10 years. C’mon man, you said it yourself. This is a skill-set league. The only similarity or difference between Cam and Tebow is the skill-set. Cam has it in spades, Tebow doesn’t. Don’t take my word for it, ask the scouts. Guys like Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn are just two guys shattering the myth of the “pro-ready” QB.
May 7th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
the only running QB that scares def coor is M. Vick, because he is arguablly the fastest player on the field that day.
Manning, Brady, Brees, Rogers won Super Bowls with arm and their head.
What made Vick even more dangerous this season, is he can pass accurately from the pocket as well as run.
Even though Tebow & Newton can run, their careers will be defined on how well they can pass and lead.
May 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford are on the flip-side of “Shattering the myth” of a pro-ready QB.
May 7th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Well, no sense beating this dead horse a ton.
We will have a good 10 years to let the Cam-Tebow debate play itself out.
Round 1 goes to Tebow, for starting ahead of Cam at Florida, and flourishing there while Cam floundered.
Round 2 goes to Cam, for being drafted much higher than Tebow.
Rounds 3-12 will play out in the next decade.
May 7th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford are on the flip-side of “Shattering the myth” of a pro-ready QB.
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of Ryan, Bradford and Sanchez which I all would love as a raider QB, I would prefer Ryan anytime…
May 7th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
245.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford are on the flip-side of “Shattering the myth” of a pro-ready QB.
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Wrong on Sam Bradford. Played in a spread and had same concerns about footwork and playing under center. No big deal.
http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/profiles/player/119868/Sam_Bradford.jsp
May 7th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Rookies have their jersey numbers [posted on Raiders' website/roster]:
Mr. Ausberry #89
Mr. Barksdale #72
Mr. Checkwa #35
Mr. Gordon #82
Mr. Jones #36 [he has got to be the fastest #36 jersey in NFL history]
Mr. Moore #17
Mr. Van Dyke # 38
Mr. Wisniewski #61
note all Raider free agents are still listed on our roster: Nnamdi, Huff, Gallery, etc…
May 7th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Well, no sense beating this dead horse a ton.
We will have a good 10 years to let the Cam-Tebow debate play itself out.
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LOL, lets say 5 years, then one of them will be out, preferable both of them…. cant stand the hype.. they havent shown anything and they get more press than probowlers..
May 7th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
rumors abound that Orton will be traded by the Broncos, so it looks like the Raiders will face opening day.
May 7th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
If I could choose any young QB for the Raiders, my choice would be Josh Freeman. Kid has to play in a stacked NFC South, and he succeeded with two rookie WRs and an offensive line which, outside of Penn and maybe Joseph, doesn’t have much talent. Kid’s accurate, has a big arm, and is hard to bring down.
May 7th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
will face Tebow on MNF
May 7th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Ausberry is #86.
May 7th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
The way they raved about Brady Quinn one would’ve thought he was bound for the HOF before he ever took a snap and he’s no better now than he was in college. The GM’s didn’t fall for it though no matter what Mayock said the same thing happened with Gabbert who he wanted to go #1 overall. The Gm’s do their homework and they draft for their systems and their own teams not the talking heads who second guess everyone but never bring up when their wrong. The have no records and no owners to fire them if they make stupid moves. If they didn Mayock would’ve been fired a long time ago.
May 7th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
I don’t compare their styles, per se, I compare their methods.
As soon as a team in the NFL changes its Offense to one where the QB is expected to run a lot, as opposed to one where the QB runs only on occasion (planned or not)…that’s when a lot more people will jump on the Tebow and Kim Newton bandwagons.
Until then (and after), it will be a how-soon-before-he-gets-hurt scenario for guys like that. And…will he do anything really good before he gets hurt?
Kim’s arm?? It’s EXACTLY like JaMarcus’s arm coming out of college…super-strong, unbelievably deadly accurate on rare occasion, and entirely quirky and unpredictable play after play.
Skills-sets mean nothing in the toolbox. It’s how they put the tools to work…and what they build with them that matters. At this point, I KNOW Kim has a better throwing motion than Tebow…but he doesn’t hit the target any more accurate than Tebow could, in games or in drills.
May 7th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
No matter how much they raved, Quinn dropped in the draft. If he had the physical traits of Kim Newton, he would have been picked #1. After all, nobody can train a QB like Charlie Weiss, right? If Quinn played @ Wisconsin instead of ND, he’d have been a 5th-round selection at best, probably.
May 7th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The fact is guys a QB depends more on others to be successful than any other position in sports he’s always giving the ball to someone else to make plays for him. Whether it be a RB or a WR and he depends on the line to block for him the rec’s to run the correct route and he has to know everyones job as well as they do. Yet his success is based on how well they do their jobs even if he’s very good at doing his if they don’t perform he looks terrible.
May 7th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
HD37 If you had tried to say that prior to that draft you would have been laughed out of the biulding Cahrlie Wies was being hailed as the best coach in football college or pro by the talking heads on NFLN.
May 7th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Put me down as saying Gabbert has at least as much success in the NFL after 4 years as Newton has.
You might not like the pretty boy, BHP — but the kid knows how to play!
May 7th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Just my opinion:
The Raiders best QBs were Plunkett, Stabler, Gannon, Hostetler….those were the guys that gave this team good to great production.
Every Raider QB draft pick sans Stabler was a spectacular, unbelievalbe BUST of epic proportions.
The Jason Campbell’s have a better chance of becoming great over the QB draft pick.
I am delighted JC is the QB for now and that the Raiders DID NOT waste a draft pick on a future bust
May 7th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
People were drooling for Quinn right in here before that draft.
Gimme Gabbert over Quinn then, or right now.
May 7th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
I remember an interview with Wies and Mayock when Wies said that brady Quinn would be the 3rd best QB in the NFL behind Tom Brady and Payton Manning. He aint even the 3rd best on his team full of bums..
May 7th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
When it comes to QBs, Davis knows where is his best options are.
If JC doesn’t make it…there will be other youngish veterans to pull from next year that the Raiders can slot right in and keep moving forward.
Focus the draft on building and impenetrable run defense and a road grating o-line
May 7th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Just my opinion:
The Raiders best QBs were Plunkett, Stabler, Gannon, Hostetler….those were the guys that gave this team good to great production.
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Raiders best QBs were, in this order, Stabler, Gannon, Plunkett, Lamonica, Hostetler, and Jason Campbell
May 7th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
HD37 Who said I didn’t like the kid, I never said I didn’t like him I said the HYPE by Mayock wasa bunch of crap. I like the kid but he was amking out as if the kid walked on water. I think he’s a talent same as I did about Alex Smith I think they’re talented but no more than a late 1st or high2nd I don’t see greatness in Gabbert I do see potential to be very good. Same as I did with A Smith……no more.
May 7th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
AB,
Yup, big miss on Lamonica on my part.
Winning SBs trump nice regular seasons and SB choke jobs…..IMO
May 7th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Alright…Derby bets are in. Put those longshots w/ some faves!!
$5 Across on the 6, 8, 12, 13
Ex Bx 8-6-13; 13-17-19; 6-18-19; 12-13-19; 7-8-14
Super Bx 8/13, 8/13 w/the 12/19, 12/19… 8/13,8/13 w/ 12/14, 12/14… 8/14, 8/14 w/ 12/13, 12/13… 13/17, 13/17 w/ 2/12, 2/12
Later gents, ladies, and ‘tweeners…it’s time for the ponies!
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
May 7th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
I a;ways thought Big Ben would make a beter QB than Eli Manning and said so before the draft but everyone was enamored with the MANNING kid they didn’t evaluate Big Ben correctly and he slipped to the Steelers.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
194.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Armond,
What standards do I ask of my players?
They work hard, and not act like an idiot and end up in jail like Vick.
That’s what I ask for.
And Tebow and Cam nothing alike??
Heisman trophy winner. National Champion. Attempted more runs than passes in college. Spread offense. SEC QB. Beat up in the press before the draft. Doubts about their sincerity.
Yes Cam has a lot better throwin motion and arm strength. But they have a lot of similarities, that people like YOU won’t admit, because they hate Tim Tebow because he is a jesus freak, and defend Cam because they think the white man is picking on him.
Sorry bro, that’s just the way I see it.
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u dont now a damn thing on how feel about tebow cuz ive never said it. i havent talked any sh!t about tebow being a jesus freak like how u YOU talk sh!t about several players. i come from a religious background. im not born again but i do respect people like tebow and think its admirable that he wants to be a good all around person. my biggest fear is that he succumbs to the pressure of being perfect and then the same people who hyped him up will bring him down. then people like ME will defend him cuz i understand how the game is played. lilly white never came to mind with tebow. its funny how i never go out of my way to talk sh!t about players personal lives but i somehow have been judging TT. u can pull that with some1else but i aint the 1.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Put me down as saying Gabbert has at least as much success in the NFL after 4 years as Newton has.
You might not like the pretty boy, BHP — but the kid knows how to play!
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Gabby has a much better chance at success. He went later to a better team!
The reason he spiraled was because people who watched game film and did their homework know he’s the dump off king.
I think he’s better than Newtron as far as knowing HOW to play but falling that far might have been the bestthing for Gabby.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
i dont see them as the same player becuz of the arm strength and mechanics. now thats not sayin newton is perfect but there is a clear gap. if u dont think so thats fine. truth be told vegas, i think too many people in here get bent out of shape over sh!t they cant control. guys partying and fookin skanks. how are u not going to expect that to happen with what they have access 2? some guys u think are class acts can be some of the worst ones but are protected by that fake image.big ben is my favorite qb but look at the sh!t he pulled. jose canseco and many others have disappointed me so i gave up expecting what i cant control. just think some of yall need to stop biotchin about these guys when u know it wont change.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
gabbert is good but somethin about his game throws me off. cant understand why he threw for so few td’s in that offense. he made some questionable decisions in that bowl game i watched. he is going to a perfect situation tho. good running game and special teams. wont have to play right away and they can start getting better wr’s for him.its still somethin weird about his game that bugs me. seems like he should be better than what he is.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
That’s what I said when I saw the kid Armond he had enough talent around him to be a lot more productive than he was. he just never gave me that WOW feeling when I see a kid who can sling it like Sam Bradford or Andrew Luck the talent is unquestionable. Gabbert never made me feel the same way I don’t even think he’s as good Ponder to be honest.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
As a pure passer Ryan mallett is head and shoulders better than anyone in this draft. mallet is a helluva passer the kid can sling it on the move with great accuracy. If he didn’t have the issues offf the field IMO he would’ve been the first QB drafted.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Just like Richard Seymour is the best 1st round pick in the draft…the Raiders are building with veterans like Jason Campbell and Kameron Wimbley.
Hopefully they add another vet safety, CB, NT and O-Lineman.
Working with the draft “kids” hasn’t worked out nearly as well
May 7th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Yeah SnB Nnamdi, DMC, Bush, Ford, Chaz ZMiller Veldheer, Henderson and all the rest all just suck. lol L Houston MClain T Howard all just suck…..you are the biggest whinner I’ve ever seen. You have to get players whereever you can but the draft has been very good to us throughout our history.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Man…even my last minute bets didn’t have the 16 with any of my other horses.
Oh well…it was a great race!
May 7th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
274.priesttj Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
That’s what I said when I saw the kid Armond he had enough talent around him to be a lot more productive than he was. he just never gave me that WOW feeling when I see a kid who can sling it like Sam Bradford or Andrew Luck the talent is unquestionable. Gabbert never made me feel the same way I don’t even think he’s as good Ponder to be honest.
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Been saying the same thing about Gabbert. Wish I’d watched Mizzou more. He inherited a team coming off consecutive Big 12 North titles. The team has plenty of talent. According to one Mock 2012 draft, the TE he had is on the cusp of the 1st round. They had an awesome D that featured a player that went before Gabbert did in the draft. The production doesn’t match the talent.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
yeah thats what gets me about gabby.i think he is a stats guy but doesnt cash in on the money plays when u need him too.he may be better served on a team like jax where he wont have to throw it 35+ times a game. i dont see a playmaker in him like i saw with kap.
May 7th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
And…
A healthy Richard Seymour will be as good or better than every player chosen in the first round this year. For any rookie to play at a Pro Bowl level is extremely rare, and even rarer for them to play at that level for years. The Seymour “selection” was a good one.
May 7th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
even tebow was much more of playmaker than him, hear that vegas? anyway, i think snb is 2 emotional to understand what we have. we have a lil ways to go but we arent as far as some think. i believe the passing game will be better and the running game will dominate if we add a veteran olineman or 2. i think this draft will play better than it looks and even out perform last years group. weve got some playmakers in jones and moore and some beef on the oline. DVD and chekwa wont start but give us some depth at cb that we havent had. gordon may play a huge role without even catching many passes bcuz of his blocking. anything from ausberry is icing on the cake.
May 7th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
If this year’s Raiders rookies play anywhere near as well as the group from last year did, we’ll have knocked it out of the park. Don’t know if it’s to be expected, but it sure would be sweet!
If last year’s group improves with age like they should, we’ve got some great foundational pieces to build around…even as Seymour ages, this Team is going to keep getting better.
May 7th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Emotional is a good word to describe SnB, if Halle Berry hit on him he’d ask why she didn’t pick someone else.
May 7th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Priesttj,
The Raiders have added a few young players to help and that’s been great. The interesting thing to me is that there are only 3 starters on the entire offense/defense that was drafted prior to 2008 and 2 of those (Branch/Miller were 2007 picks Any youth on this team is 2008 or later.
Al Davis has historically ben better finding free agent gems. The guys getting this team over the top and providing the badly needed leadership are Jason Campbell, Richard Seymour, Kameron Wimbley, Quentin Groves, Hiram Eugene, Chris Johnson, Tommy Kelly (thanks to Seymour), J. Henderson, Marcel Reece, Left Guard TBD. There will be a couple of starter additions before the season starts.
Nnamdi and T Howard are out. I hardly call Chaz Schilens or Mario Henderson as anything but question marks at best. The Raiders have done better with mid-round draft picks, but the top end has been a source of considerable waste.
May 7th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
And…
A healthy Richard Seymour will be as good or better than every player chosen in the first round this year. For any rookie to play at a Pro Bowl level is extremely rare, and even rarer for them to play at that level for years. The Seymour “selection” was a good one.
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Agreed! and you know what you are going to get and you don’t have to do too much coaching up
May 7th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Priesttj,
You expect way too much of the youngest players. 1st, some of those guys won’t even make the roster, then the ones that do will be buried in the depth chart, 1 or 2 may be significant contributors.
For example, Jacoby Ford did well this year for the times he got snaps….but his overall numbers were not starter capable yet…25 receptions? Louis Murphy is the closest to a starting receiver with 40 receptions…but hardly exceptional.
All you look for with rooks is development….now, top draft picks 1st round and maybe 2nd round are expected to contribute right away…Lamar Houston for example….but for the most part…just role players making a lot of mistakes in their 1st couple of years.
Even DHB, which I am not of fan of his past performance, deserves another year or two to get it right….although as a top 7 pick, he should be further along….
May 7th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
SnB Tommie Kelly, Marcel Reece and hiram Eugene were as good as draft picks. They weren’t drafted by anyone we selected them as FA not from another team but by our scouts. If the draft were 12 rnds still these players may have been draft picks.
It doesn’t matter what i expect the facts are the facts we have always biult through the draft and still do and have been very successful doing so. The draft was very successful last year and I anticipate the same results this year. If you have an issue with us not having players beyond 2008 blame the successful drafts since then.
Son you just don’t understand this league….
May 7th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
SnB this is all I have to say to man…..the hold the college draft every year for a reason to replenish rosters. And every team partakes for a reason this is a young players game……………..period
May 7th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
SNB I cannot believe how utterly clueless you are about this process and the league it’s difficult to be productive in this league. OLD or YOUNG…. great players aren’t determined by age but by talent. You can play in this league for 20 years and still not know everything about just your own position. This league washes you out so fast players rarely ever play to their full potential because you rbody breaks down before you’re able to do so. By the time Jerry Rices career was over was when he actually really understood how to play with max efficiency but his body was too old to do it.
Unfortunately this is a young man’s game because the human body cannot take the toll it pays to play this game. Like anything else the longer you do it the better you are but physical the older you are the worse you get. Thus the ever thirst for young players because the game demands it.
May 7th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
I should’ve said the violence of this game demands it.
May 7th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Only an idiot says Gannon is better than Lamonica or Plunkett….fk gannon that overrated piece of shhhhht
May 7th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Well Scotty Brooks may be the dumbest coach Ive ever seen outside of Avery Johnson in nba history. He allows westbrook to dribble game 3 away and kept Harden on the bench iin the 4th qtr. Amazing these guys get millions
May 7th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Jerry Rice is a punk….hope the axel in his steering wheel goes bad
May 7th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Coach Davis knew what he was doing when he dumped his 1st round pick for Seymour. Who needs the high risk/cost of 1st rounder anyway. Keep dealing those 1st rounders and get another top tier guy Coach.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81fba494/article/jackson-pleased-raiders-have-seymour-two-rookie-olinemen?module=HP_headlines
May 7th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Only an idiot says Gannon is better than Lamonica or Plunkett….fk gannon that overrated piece of shhhhht
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Yur a first rate azzhole ya know that? Why don’t you piss off?
May 7th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Bauce why so angry at Rice I know he played for the enemy but he was instrumental in us getting to another SB. Give the man some love….
May 7th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
I hate to see nnamdi go. But thanks to AD overpaying him he can’t afford anyone else. Best memory of him? Upending Tim tebow for a -2 yd run. Hell of a tackler.
May 7th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
I wasn’t paying attn to all the pre-draft analysis or hype but man are people divided over Cam Newton. When did this all become a race issue?
I call it like I see it. And damn, I am a black man btw so please get it right – No racism here. I just don’t think he will be a great NFL QB. Simple as that. I just don’t see the ability to run an offense from the pocket AND his demeanour rubs me the wrong way.
When we drafted JR, I really wanted AP. But even with JR, who I roled with, my first criticisms of him were his demeanour. It was all wrong. The guy had an arm that any and every QB can evny; but his mentality was not there.
Cam has ability. But the way I see it, he is not a QB that can run an offense from the pocket. If he is forced to do so he will fail imo. The opposite side of that coin is running the offense as he did in college. Well quite frankly, that doesn’t work in the pros and his career will very likely be cut shorter than otherwise would have been.
Moreover, I think the guy may be too focuse on wanting to become a superstar/icon, queue celebrity, than simply wanting to be the best football player he can be.
May 7th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Anyway. Not my worry.
When the hell is football going to startup again? This labor disagreemnt needs to be rectified immediately. This is getting ridiculous.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Priesttj,
If you cannot understand the impact of not developing your own core talent and seeing them through to their prime of their careers OR being able to trade them out for future picks…I don’t know what to say.
The Raiders are a team that’s core is free agency. Perhaps the guys drafted the last two years mature into that.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
There’s a freekn reason why 1st round picks get big money!
May 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
If we face Teabow on Monday night that would be a Godsend cause that guy is not as good as Orton. Our defense should be able to handle him no problem.
Opening up in Denver is good luck. The only thing better would be opening up at home. Denver is transitioning AGAIN from a 3-4 to a 4-3. On top of that they made some very questionable draft choices to implement their defense.
This should be a definite win all things being equal.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
New offense. New defense with questionable bodies to implement. That should be a win.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
And very little time to implement their system should equal a win for the Raiders.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Ohioraider Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Only an idiot says Gannon is better than Lamonica or Plunkett….fk gannon that overrated piece of shhhhht
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Yur a first rate azzhole ya know that? Why don’t you piss off?
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Bauce, look at the numbers you ass jacket. Gannon was mvp for a reason dip sh*t.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that the Broncos fared better against the Raiders with Tebow than with Orton.
The Raiders had faced Orton before, but had never faced Tebow before. It took them one half to adjust (and even then, the stat line would have looked much different had Routt and Huff not let that TD pass slip through both their hands), and then the Raiders came back with a vengeance.
Unless the Broncos score big at DT/DE in free agency (Ray Edwards? Barry Cofield?), I don’t see them making huge strides in year 1 under John Fox. McDaniels f***ed that team up good.
With any luck, the Raiders will come into week 1 for the first time in YEARS ready to compete. A week 1 victory will do a lot for this team’s confidence, in my opinion. If they come out of that game with a big win, the only question will be if they’ll let that confidence get to their heads like it has in past years.
May 7th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
The Raiders are a team that’s core is free agency. Perhaps the guys drafted the last two years mature into that.
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the current raider team is made of 90% of there own draft picks
May 7th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
And been been biluding that way for a while now at least the last 3yrs anyway
May 7th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Historically, the Raiders are a team that has needed both free agency and the draft to succeed. They’re not a team like the Packers or Steelers who rarely make moves in free agency, and they’re not a team like the Redskins who seek to build by bringing in veterans.
Many of the Raiders teams have been built primarily through the draft, but needed key free agent signings to take them to the next level. Willie Brown, Mike Haynes, Jim Plunkett, Rich Gannon, Jerry Rice, the list goes on.
This Raiders team is young at the core, but has some veteran leadership in Richard Seymour, Jason Campbell, and Rock Cartwright. With a couple more pieces? This team is very capable of taking the next step. I’m not quite sold on them being contenders yet, but certainly they’re closer than they have been in years.
May 7th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
What does it matter what Raider teams, in particular, have done in the past to succeed? The league is different now than it was a decade ago, let alone 30 years ago. What is the point of looking at Raider teams of the past? Also, if you were to look at what worked for the Raiders in the past, wouldn’t you have to examine how the front office was run then, as well?
May 7th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
SnB have you ever heard of FREE AGENCY????????
This isn’t 1980 man PLAYERS LEAVE you MORON!!!!!
THERE IS A SALARY CAP, maybe you’ve never heard of these things but they don’t ALLOW you develope your talent and keep into the prime years of their careers. You can only do what you can that’s why he overpays some in order to KEEP them what don’t you get about this league I can’t believe how freakin clueless you are. The average career of an NFL player is 3.5 years and only great players stayinto 8+ years.
STOP YOUR FREAKIN WHINNING and take it for what it is……..damn!
May 7th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
priest, don’t be so timid. Let it out.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
If the raiders make the playoffs this yr.
It will be with 90% of al Davis draft picks.
Humm what will people think of him then.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
DHB being one of those picks. Wow an people say the raiders don’t draft well.
All part of the conspiracy rite???
Cuz from where I’m sitting. Two of the top free agents are raiders. Drafted by Davis.
Make that three. Huff,gallery,aso. Possibly miller an bush as well.
But the raiders(al Davis) sucks at drafting an developing players.
We as raider fans are the only ones who see this
May 7th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
That guy csaan’t see the freakin forest for the trees man, I like SnB but sometimes he lets his persoanl feelings blind him from the facts. All he thinks about are players from before 2008 as if that means something when you draft as well as we have over a 4 year period what are supposed to do CUT’EM or play ‘em this guy keeps saying we should have kept them well someof them didn’t want to stay they were FA’s and could get larger salaries elsewhere. Like Phil Buchannan and T Washington and Tyler Brayton players some of you wanted to see leave are still viable talent in this league. Kevin Boothe I wish was still here but Cable couldn’t use him in the ZBS. We have drafted but for a variety of reasons those players aren’t here.
DEAL WITH IT!!!
May 7th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
294.Bauce Rules Says:
May 7th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Jerry Rice is a punk….hope the axel in his steering wheel goes bad
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Where is an axel located in a steering wheel?
May 7th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Cuz from where I’m sitting. Two of the top free agents are raiders. Drafted by Davis.
Make that three. Huff,gallery,aso. Possibly miller an bush as well.
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Gallery? Really? I’ve never liked him. He has moments of being pro bowl caliber then gets hurt or falls on his face.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
cain, and if the Raiders don’t make the playoffs, you”ll be here front and center, blaming Al’s picks, right?
May 7th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Wrong. I have never solely blamed “picks” as much as I blame the GM. Be it Davis or mike Lombardi or who ever is responsible for the past 8drafts or so.
May 7th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Well, you said that if we make the playoffs, Al Davis’s draft picks deserve 90% of the credit. So, if we don’t make the playoffs, Al and “his” picks deserve 90% of the blame, right?
May 7th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
If Davis says you can make it you will eventually make it
ie;see James Jett or cliff branch. He’s been rite just as much as he’d been wrong. It’s a crap shoot for him. An the last 3or4 drafts have been mostly mostly
sevens an elevens. “hitters” if you will.
So ya. When it goes wrong. I blame Davis for making a bad pick. Just as you would any other GM in the league.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
All I’m saying is we play well. It’s from a team mostly built from players drafted by Davis. Same goes for last season too. Same also goes when we suck. Which wr have of late BUT we’ve somehow found a way to develope our own talent. Now it’s gonna pay off.
In other words how bad exactly have the raiders drafted???
May 7th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
LOL. I didn’t think so. You are just weak. Typical kool aid drinking homer. Al gets “90%” of the credit, if we win. If we lose, you’ve got to go over some other possibilities.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Mr Davis gets the credit and the blame………….period
He always has…..whether he wants it or not.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Not according to cain. He said Al gets 90% of the credit if the team goes to the playoffs. However, he can’t bring himself to say that Al gets 90% of the blame if they don’t. How weak.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
He did say it you just can’t comprehend when he said “90% of the blame”.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Raider,
obviously u can’t read or u would understand post 322. Where I clearly blame an give Davis credit. You see most “homers” blame Davis for everything cuz it’s his team. An I’m one of those “homers”.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
The media has never let Big Al off the hook whether it was his fault or not they blame him for the economy in Oakland…….lol
May 7th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
The media has never let Big Al off the hook whether it was his fault or not they blame him for the economy in Oakland…….lol
May 7th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Cain, I asked you, specifically, if Al Davis deserves “90%” of the blame if we don’t make the playoffs. You said he deserves “90%” of the credit if we get there. Yeah, sure, at the bottom of one of your comments, you throw in a quick “so, I blame Al too”. That’s not what I asked you. If we don’t make the playoffs, is Al Davis 90% responsible?
May 7th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
priest, why shouldn’t the media blame Al? Who’s in charge of the Raiders?
May 7th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Cain what you said is clear to everyone except MR, dude just likes to argue. Trust me you’re wasting your time.
May 7th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Ohhh that’s MR. Should have known!!
May 7th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
No, it’s not clear. I asked him if Al Davis deserves “90%” of the blame if we dont’ make the playoffs, just as he insisted Al deserves “90%” of the credit if they do. So far, he hasn’t had the balls to man up and say it. And I’m going to call him on it until he does.
May 7th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Post 322&323 should sum it up for ya MR. If not sleep on it,you’ll figure it out. It may take til tmw nite but keep reading your brain will comprehend it later rather than sooner.
May 7th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
You’re a coward. Al get’s “90%” of the credit if they make the playoffs. If they don’t? You split hairs and merely concede that Al deserves some of the blame. You’re a total homer.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:10 am
As an experiment, just ignore MR, GUST, and Dan Land and everything it says. He is a self loathing POS and everybody just keeps feeding this guy exactly what he lives for…attention.
I hate the guy just as much as anybody but if u wanna really tick him off and watch him self implode, then just ignore the loser.
May 8th, 2011 at 3:51 am
This Nawrocki obviously never saw Jamahcus’ proday. He’s gonna be great!
May 8th, 2011 at 8:19 am
kk why are you a Raider fan?All you do is criticize the team and Al Davis, who is the Raiders. Got anything positive to post? No… didn’t think so. Why don’t. you help the team out and and pick a new one?!!!
May 8th, 2011 at 8:24 am
Someone posted here before “why isnt Campbell organizing sessions with teammates like Brees is”.
This was posted on PFT just a little while ago…
http://yfrog.com/user/Jcampbell8/photos
Photos of Campbell and teammates in their own workouts.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Why does everyone think Aso is gone? We know he’s one of the smartest guys on and off the field. He’s already got big bucks in the bank. Isn’t a Raider for life gonna payout more in the long term than a couple of years of free agency? If… and I stress if Huff leaves, I would love to see Aso at FS.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Aso is gone. Period. End of story. Forget him.
As far as Campbell goes…Hes a pro. I like the guy and think he can win in this league. If not for the fact that he doesnt have a legit #1 WR at his disposal I would say he will have a nice year.
May 8th, 2011 at 9:14 am
The only way Aso stays is if he wants to remain a Raider and take less money, work with Woodson, stay with the guys, work thru all the losing to win here in a year or two or three, greater sense of accomplishment to win a Lombardi here, gets to stay in Norcal.
Improbable but possible.
May 8th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Tebow is ten times better than anyone on the broncos roster. why do you think they passed on a qb? He may still be raw but that guy will find a way and his teammates believe in him. wish he was on our team to tell you the truth.
May 8th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Good to see Campbell working with DHB and Murphy.
Not that anyone has ever questioned Campbell’s committment to working, but it is always good to see stuff like that.
May 8th, 2011 at 10:13 am
lookin at the new madden for this year and i see theyve added that drag wheel route play miller scored on against denver in the 59 pt azz whippin. if they improve franchise play along with the other stuff theyve done i might play it again. havent played madden in like 4 years.
May 8th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Jc. Murphy and dhb are working out together. Per a post on jcs twitter with pics. Still wanna question. His leadership?
May 8th, 2011 at 10:53 am
There are some people who just don’t like jason Campbell and never will no matter what he does even if he wins a SB they’ll say he didn’t have anything to do with it……lol
This kid a pro he take sthe game seriously and doesn’t try to put on aires like some little hero we know. He just does his job and goes about it like a pro. No his #’s wont WOW you and he’s noe going to throw for 400 yards and 5 TD’s but he’s also not going to throw 5int’s and blow the game.
He’s just a very good field general without the false bravado. He’ll manage a game and run your offense and help the team win…………period
May 8th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Yo Armond, my bad labeling you a little yesterday.
Was probably a little too fired up for a Saturday morning.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I’ve have been one of the harsher Soup critics in here, but his commitment to working hard has never been a question (at least by me).
I just question why a guy with a decent amount of talent, and a good work ethic, has never lead his team over .500, and just can’t win ballgames after Thanksgiving.
His career December record is 6-14.
That’s a 30% career winning percentage in money time, which is much lower than his overall winning percentage.
And of course, the one season he didn’t play in December (2007) his team went 4-0 in December!!!!
Come on Soup, you got to turn this around.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am
This is also why i have hold out strong confidence in DHB is because the kid is a relentless worker. Very few people who work like this kid fail, the success rate is very high. He has unbelievable talent he just needs aquire the skill for his position. Some players take more time than others, plus he started late which didn’t help. But Ford showed him up and I think he wants to show fans that he is every bit the player the raiders thought he was when they drafted him. JMHO!
May 8th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Just got done watching the hour of NFL replay on NFLN.
Watching the 49ers-Broncos game, and if anyone would rather face Tebow than Orton, they are crazy.
Kyle Orton may have been decent at one point in time, but that guy is downright awful these days, and just got a year older.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:16 am
I would love for DHB to turn it around, but I think he has too much Kwame Brown in him.
Freak athlete, perfect size, good work ethic, good kid.
But bad hands, no feel for the game, and way to willing to slip into the background and out of the forefront.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:18 am
I told that to RR a few days ago, I also put Cassell in that group as well as Garrard. Jason Campbell IMO is easily as good if not better than those dudes. Orton is average at best. Cassell just runs a very good offense that he’s been in for 6 years and had a bigtime playmaker in Bowe.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:23 am
jfb dont trip. jc wont get respect from alot of people until he wins and he shouldnt. i dont hate or like him, hes just there 2 me. thats the problem i have. i think he should be a probowl caliber qb and hes not. i want him to be more than a field general cuz it will make us that much better. the 2 most important players are jc and dhb. they suffer the same complex in my opinion. worlds of talent but scared to let it out. i would prefer jc to play a lil reckless cuz it might loosen him up. same goes for dhb. i think both players are sensitive and it holds them back. grads may or may not have had false bravado but jc and dhb could use some.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Well that’s the majority vote but I saw this kid play and I know he can play. He may never have great hands but that hasn’t stopped T.O. that dude double catches more balls than anyone I’ve ever seen. Same with DBowe he had the worse hands I’ve ever seen just horrible. Look at him now!! naw it’s all about desire and DHB has plenty of that.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Armond they don’t need false bravado at all, they need confidence…………period
May 8th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Cassell just runs a very good offense that he’s been in for 6 years
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That was Cassel’s first year with Charlie Wies last year.
Weis left the year before the Pats drafted him.
I still think Cassel is a decent QB, but you have to keep him clean. Once he starts getting pushed around a little, he quits.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:27 am
i do believe that both will be more effective this year.when i say jc winning i dont mean doing everything by himself. the way he played in san diego is what im talking about. he just made plays and if he was on target with a few more throws we couldve had 38 points instead of 28. if he tightens up a few things on top of that then we could be seeing why he was a 1rst rndr. a 1rst rdr shouldnt be relegated to game manager.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:29 am
358.priesttj Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Armond they don’t need false bravado at all, they need confidence…………period
i assumed u knew what i meant priest, but yeah confidence is right. now how do the get it is the question.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:32 am
JFB what offense do you think he was running in NE? it’s the same offense completely. Caharlie Weis installed it years ago and they still run it KC head coach is a disciple of that offense.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:34 am
They get by having success, only success breeds confidence the more they get the more confident they’ll become.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:38 am
This team was not just a QB away from success. There are other parts that still need to be upgraded. JC still has a lot to prove and must produce. However, he’s the best QB option for this team right now.
May 8th, 2011 at 11:40 am
As far as DHB. Because he’s a good kid means he has a chance. But at the end of it all…DHB has to produce on the field during game days. A lot of players that have a great attitude and work hard are coaching Junior High Football right now.
It is all about production and DHB has to at least catch up to J.Ford and L. Murphy
May 8th, 2011 at 11:45 am
priesttj Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 11:32 am
JFB what offense do you think he was running in NE? it’s the same offense completely.
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Matt Cassel didn’t start a game until 4 years after Charlie Weiss left.
You telling me after 4 years, they were still running the same exact system?
May 8th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Another day at the deceased Inside Bay Area Raiders’ blog. Just Fire Baby talking up Tim Tebow, as usual, and leaving racist bait for anyone who doesn’t see Tebow as the second coming of John Elway. Priest flying off the handle at anyone who doesn’t believe Campbell will throw for 4,000 yards and that the team won’t go 16-0. Just pull the plug on this thing, Jerry, before Hayes Daze gets here and leaves a 10 paragraph whopper that no one will read. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
May 8th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
I read Hayes Dazes’ “10 paragraph whoppers”
May 8th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
JFB, one of your rare comments where you don’t talk up Tim Tebow or race bait. Probably your first of the day. Let’s see if we can get a few more. Good job, buddy.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
JFB it doesn’t matter that he didn’t start he was running and learning that offense for 6 years now….lol
“he didn’t start”? what?!
Neither did Aaron Rodgers did it help him?
May 8th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
priest, don’t get between JFB and his man crush on Tebow, he’s just going to start leaving racist comments. It’s the only way he knows how to stand up to Tebow’s criticism. Kind of says something about all Tebew supporters, doesn’t it? I think we know what they’re really all about.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
JFB Yes they are still running the same system???? ….lol this is too funny do you seriously think Bill belichik would allow them to change systems on Brady??!lol Come one man use some common sense please.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
White supremacy is “common sense” to JFB. It’s what he was brought up to believe in. It’s his conventional form of thought. He doesn’t understand why people find it offensive. In his upbringing, it’s normal.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
So the guy has multiple OC’s in his career (next year will be #4 in 6 years), with two completely different organizations, and it is the same offense the whole time?
Can we apply that to Jason Campbell and Al Saunders than?
It’s almost the same exact situation as Cassel, except Al Saunders will next year actually have been his OC 3 of Jason Campbell six years as a starter QB.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
JFB, I’m just messing with you, man. You don’t have to stop talking up Tim Tebow and race baiting just because I called you on it. Don’t change yourself on account of me.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Come on JFB you know that is not true, this guy has gone through 3 or 4 HC’s and from WCO to verticle and back. To say his had the same situation is disengenuous. If you want to talk football with the Priest be honest man or end the discussion……….period
May 8th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
The most important factor to the QB-WR dynamic is always the OL. For any team, especially like the Raiders, that like to play the vertical game, that have young receivers and a QB like Campbell. The need to buy the QB and WR more time.
Last 5 or so years, with our porous pass defense, you can see all the QBs we’ve used had fear and anxiety in the pocket, knowing it was penetrated somewhere too quickly. Especially in those times when the line actually held and the QB panics at the 3 second mark thinking he took too long and is about to get creamed when really he wont be but panics a throw off (Russell into triple coverage, or Campbell checking down). Especially as most of the other snaps they got acclimated to broken protection at 2 secs like the Titans 2010 game, they end up with that David Carr shell-shock.
With a whole new OL coming into effect 2011, there’ll be some growing pains again early in the season, especially if the lockout eats away camp time. However, the fact we’ve drafted many offensive line players in the last couple years, all with great talent, our OL should be better than the bandaged up vet FA cast-off OLs we’ve had in previous years. The youngsters skill and aplomb growth rate will be very rapid due to them being so young and physically gifted.
Hopefully when FA begins, we sign some more OL players, to compete and provide back-up. Turn the OL into our team’s top strength (like the RB depth chart currently is).
May 8th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Four HC’s, if you include Tom Cable which might be debatable. Gibbs, Zorn, Cable, Hue.
Three OC’s, Al Saunders, Jim Zorn and Hue Jackson, and again Al Saunders.
Not as much turnover as people want to make it.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Armond to your point about game managers, I think it’s counterproductive to ask someone to be something they aren’t. He didn’t draft himself. Also IMO it’s no knock on him to say he is a game manager. IMO so was Joe Montana he wasn’t some gunslinging 400 yards a game QB he was the first of many checkdown artist. He wrote the book on checking the ball down taking the easy play over the big play. He ran Bill Walsh’s offense to perfection which was designed for him. Rich Gannon was the consumate game manager. Stacked up tons of yardage doing it. last year Tom Brady was converted to a game manager checking the ball down making safe short to intermediate passes that got yardage instead going downtown and having a lot of 3 & outs.
Great game management is just smart football…………period
May 8th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
One thing is for sure though Priest, next year Cassel will not be in any type of Pats or Charlie Wiess offense.
Todd Haley hated Weiss, and both Haley and new OC Bill Muir have never coached in New England.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
There is enough question marks at just about every position on this team.
Production, or lack thereof, on the field will eventually prove if JC, DHB, the Secondary, the o-line and the run defense is any good.
A lot of nice guys on this Raider team that work hard. They have to translate that on the field.
Lots of nice guys get cut every year
May 8th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
JFB it’s still Todd Haley’s offense man, what don’t you get about this. What HC in his right mind would change his offense just to change it. Whoever he hires will be hired to run that offense it’s just plain common sense. The HC is the same teh system is the same………period
May 8th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
SnB we get it son, it has to translate on the field. Did I get it right?
What player works hard so it doesn’t translate on the field?
May 8th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
And Todd Haley was NEVER IN NEW ENGLAND!!
That’s what I’m trying to say. It is not the same system as what Cassel had in New England.
What don’t YOU get about this?
May 8th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
priest,so then what u are saying is jc is an average qb who isnt capable of getting better. montana wasnt a game manager in the sense im talking about.i believe all qbs manage games by the nature of their position. game manager is basically used to describe a qb who cant make enuff plays to be a difference maker. i want more than that. i think jc is talented enuff to be better than that.
May 8th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
I think Soup reminds me most of Brad Johnson. Strong arm, but doesn’t use it enough. Mobile and athletic, but not a willing runner.
Now if we can just get a 22 TD 4 INT, #3 in the league QB rating, Pro Bowl season out of Campbell like the Bucs got from Johnson in 2002, we can win the bowl!!
May 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Maybe Todd Haley wasn’t in NE. The offense he runs is the same system NE runs why do you think he went and got Weis for Cassell. Why do you think they went and got Cassell from NE.
Listen man I’m goignt ot try to make this make sense however you are wearing me out. When a coach hires an assistant he hires that assistant to run his offense which that assistant must be very familiar with if he isn’t THEY DON’T HIRE THEM. The reason Al Saunders is here is because the system he runs is the same system Hujack runs. A HC doesn’t hrie someone who cannot run the system he’s already installed. That would be lunacy it take an entire sseason to familiarize a team with a new system, what COACH WOULD DO THAT to himself?
The reason Haley hired Weis is the same reason he hired this guy. The guys understands and runs the same system……GET IT?
Armond no I’m saying just the opposite I think he can get a whole lot better. Then we have a much different understanding about game managers. I tghink most QB’s who have been great QB’s were great game managers Stabler included. He was the best intermediate passer I ever saw.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Armond the best way to explain is to exchange game manager for field general……it’s the same meaning to me.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
All Johnson did was run Gruden’s offense at a high level and didn’t u turn it over and that is exactly what I’m talking about with JC. he doesn’t have to be Dan Marino or Brett Farve. Be Bart Starr or Joe Montana just make throws that get positive yardage that’s all those guys did.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
The reason Haley hired Weis is the same reason he hired this guy. The guys understands and runs the same system……GET IT?
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So in your rationalization, Al Saunders was hired by Joe Gibbs because they ran the same system, and Hue hired Saunders so they run the same system, so thus by your reasoning Jason Campbell has played in the same system his entire career.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
My point from several posts back was that the very type of QB that Campbell is means we have to focus on the OL more. He needs to be bought more time in the pocket, especially with a vertical play-action passing offense that we have, to see him become a more productive downfield to WR passer, than just a checkdown merchant.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
“And Todd Haley was NEVER IN NEW ENGLAND!!
That’s what I’m trying to say. It is not the same system as what Cassel had in New England.”
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Todd Haley has never coached in New England, but he does come from the Parcells-Belichick coaching tree.
Haley was in New York when Bill Parcells coached the Jets and Weis was the OC and Belichick DC, Pioli was head of personnel.
Parcells and Weis gave gave Haley his first coaching job with the NYJ and Parcells later brought him to Dallas as OC.
So maybe Haley was never actually in NE but he certainly has strong ties to those who made the Pats a force.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
JFB do you understand that JC had more than Joe Gibbs as HC in Washington Jim Zorn ran a WCO. When ever a HC position is changed you almost certainly will get a different system. Now that he is in the same system he has been familiar with and the same playcaller you should see significant improvement that has been my contention since the moment Hue hired Al Saunders. That this should do wonders for JC and his confidence. That’s why coaches hired the people they hire FAMILIARITY!!
May 8th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
2-peat.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Campbell is not a Marino. He isnt aggressive, isn’t good in the pocket, isn’t still gunslinging it deep with a fearlessness even under a broken pocket like Marino so often could do. And Marino didnt have stellar receivers and barely a run game behind him either. Knowing his limitations as a QB, and his ‘negative’/cautious attitude, we cant re-wire Campbell to be something else.
We either throw everything at the OL, building his confidence in a strong pocket a la Patriots giving Brady 5+ seconds to wait and hit someone downfield. Or we continue to fashion a short passing quick release style of play, screens to McFadden/Taiwan, end arounds and slants and YAC crossing routes to Ford/DHB, Reece/Miller designed plays etc.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
You guys are actually arguing the semantics of what a game manager is? It really is time for some football.
Who’da thunk Brad Johnson could have a year like he had? What did it take to make him such an accomplished game-manager? A hard-a$$ QB-riding coach, maybe?
Another one talked about as a game-manager type…Trent Dilfer. In his case, his conservative style matched his athletic skills perfectly…and his Offense wasn’t required to carry his team(s).
If Jason Campbell can develop the timing (and faith) he needs with his WR’s…and develop some faith in himself, and his great arm…and LET IT RIP AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME…he can be as good as we need him to be. A little confidence to make the deer-in-the-headlights look disappear, maybe?
If JCampbell makes the most of what’s handed to him on Offense, while minimizing the stoopid mistakes that kill the Team…that’s all the game-management we’ll need from the position.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
jason Campbell needs to be jason campbell..period the Talent is there now the coaching is there. I think he will play very well as a result of that..
May 8th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
In fact, Haley started in scouting, his father was a well-known personnel guy, it was Parcells and Weis who broke Haley into coaching so it’s fair to assume Haley learned offense the way Charlie Weis ran his.
Similar principles, but obviously not exactly the same … I don’t think Cassel could have landed at a better spot than KC where Haley-Pioli hand picked him to run their version of the Pats offense.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
How ’bout them Lakers?!
May 8th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
lol. omg. I jinxed you guys by even mentioning him. He’s like a little annoying raider genie in a Miller High Life bottle. My apologies.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Jason Campbell could be a fine backup in this league.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
“This is thew worst I’ve ever seen the Lakers play in a game that they need” – Magic.
Wow.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Absolutely no denying the Parcells-Weis-Haley-Cassel connection.
I’m waiting and hoping to see Haley be the weak link there. Cassel’s a coach’s dream…but I don’t think Haley’s got the personality/charisma to keep a team when things go bad a few weeks in a row. One can hope anyway.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
priesttj Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am
This is also why i have hold out strong confidence in DHB is because the kid is a relentless worker. Very few people who work like this kid fail, the success rate is very high. He has unbelievable talent he just needs aquire the skill for his position. Some players take more time than others, plus he started late which didn’t help. But Ford showed him up and I think he wants to show fans that he is every bit the player the raiders thought he was when they drafted him. JMHO!
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Priesttj, I just think you get very excited and have a “sky’s the limit” outlook on even the smallest sliver of positive news. There are plenty of players that work as hard or harder and still become 20 something coaches.
He left school early and didn’t have the production in college that other top receivers had. Now he is learning on the fly. He better work hard!
Now with that millions and lofty draft status…HE HAS TO PRODUCE! Nothing in the offseason/preseason can project this….nice to hear stories are great…but we wont know if his “relentless work ethic” will payoff at all until we see it.
Othewise is just wild optimism.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Bob that’s what I was trying to say, I knew there was history there just couldn’t remember where and when.
But IMO Campbell showed what he could do last year people talk as if he was a bum. He played well at times very well. With new players new coaches new system. How that doesn’t improve in year 2 is not even a thought IMO. I think he hits the ground running and he may hit a few bumps but overall I expect a very good year. This kid has a lot of talent and he aint nearly as scared as some of you think. IT’S CONFIDENCE that is the difference alck of confidence isn’t being scared it’s more to do with unfamiliarity.
Peopel who think this guys is scared are trippin’ deer in headlights is unfamiliarity that’s all.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
priest, it’s all about results. We were .500 last year. When you’re .500, you keep the game breakers, and dump the rest. Campbell is not a game breaker. He’s a second rate QB who’s come through at times, but has failed too much to justify his starting job on a .500 team. A real NFL team would get rid of him and start over. But Al’s got an agenda.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
SnB just forget it son, you just don’t get it and you never will. So I’ll move on I refuse to say the same thing over and over again.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Thank god!
May 8th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
The sky IS the limit for DHB.
It matters not where DHB, Denarius Moore, RoMcClain, Wiz2.0, et al were drafted…they’re here now, they need to produce.
A “wasted” draft pick is still a wasted draft pick…be it from the 7th-round or the 1st-round.
May 8th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Priesttj,
You get too sensitive sometimes. Most on here, not all sadly, but most…want to see the Raiders become wildly successfull.
The point in the blog is to talk about the team, the good, the bad, the ugly…..debate…etc…
Not just come in here as if this is a religious shrine to give all praise
The team is working to get better, but still has deep issues…….Just roll with it
May 8th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
The sky IS the limit for DHB.
It matters not where DHB, Denarius Moore, RoMcClain, Wiz2.0, et al were drafted…they’re here now, they need to produce.
A “wasted” draft pick is still a wasted draft pick…be it from the 7th-round or the 1st-round.
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True enough. However, a 1st round mistake is quite expensive….and usually a high 1st pick means you pass up some pretty good players.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
SnB I don’t need a therapy session from dude, I have an opinion you have yours I just don’t have the energy to repeat the same thing over and over again. So I’ll leave you to it…..no big deal. I’m just tired dude……bored.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
priest, we both feel jc can be better and should be in his 2nd year. i would just like to have stellar qb play around here. we are so desperate for a franchise qb that anything less wont be enuff. i dont expect a pro bowl from him but it would be nice to see him take that next step. i do think he plays scared and i dont mean physically. i think mentally he he holds himself back which doesnt allow him to exploit his physical gifts. unfamiliar oe whatever u call it, its there.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Translation:
“Sky’s the limit” = “he sucks”
If DHB had anything worth bragging about, don’t you think Hayes and priest would be specific and say so? They’re saying sky’s the limit because there’s nothing else to say. Heck, sky’s the limit for everybody. If any of us got signed to an NFL team, hey, sky’s the limit.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
dhb is the same way for me. i want him to relax and believe in himself. this offense would kick much azz if those 2 bring it. im expecting us to be one of the most exciting teams to watch. our running game is explosive and we get after the qb. our returns unit with ford and now jones might be one of the best duos in the nfl.just gotta tighten up that d and force some to’s. we arent as far away as u think snb.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Let’s get DHB some veteran help.
Sign Donald Driver.
I can’t think of a better influence for DHB, Murphy, Ford and Moore than this guy.
Driver is a hard-working, self-made player who can teach our kids how to be a pro.
Even if he’s 36, he could come in and not just be a mentor, he could play for us since nobody has better hands, he blocks well and still caught 51 balls last year.
Give him a 2 year deal, pay him a little bit more than market value if he’s reluctant to come here, it would be money well spent … as I’m sure Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson and James Jones will tell you.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Armond,
Actually I don’t believe the Raiders are that far away. Nor do I think this team is a solid playoff contender yet.
There are critical pieces to this thing that HAVE to step up big time and are far from a sure thing.
As you said yourself, this team needs a few players to play to their expectations. Kiffin once said in reference to Javon WAlker something about “the lights coming on”….its the same with this team right now….for some of these guys the lights have to come on and come on soon if this team is to be a consistently good football team.
For the record…I like Hue Jackson, the running game, I really like Reece, I like the Tight End and I like the pass rush when the coaches let them loose…..
I don’t like the run defense, the secondary (less Nnamdi/Huff, nor am I convinced the Wide Receivers are ready to go yet.
As for Jason Campbell? Big question mark…too many up and down games….when he’s on he’s good…when he’s off he’s terrible…sort of like Jay Schroeder.
JC has to step it up…and I do think he’s the right QB for this team right now.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Armond,
“Actually I don’t believe the Raiders are far away”
May 8th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Damn, I’m not sure Driver is a Free Agent, it would have been nice.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Later.
May 8th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I think a vet WR now is a bit passe because most of these kids have gone through the growing pains. Two years ago would’ve been great but now I think at least two of these guys will have break out years which ones I’m not sure but I see Ford and Chaz as the two I most have high hopes for.
May 8th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
JC posted pics on twitter of him, Louis & DHB working out together…best news i’ve heard in awhile.
May 8th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
—”CSN Bay Area’s Paul Gutierrez believes third-rounder Joseph Barksdale has a “real shot” at winning the starting right tackle job this summer. Langston Walker is reportedly considering retirement, Khalif Barnes is an unrestricted free agent, and four-year vet Mario Henderson could also end up hitting the open market. Walker was among the NFL’s premier run-blocking tackles last season, so there could be a falloff if Barksdale takes over”—
May 8th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Mavericks forecast Lakers demise in Game 4
May 8th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
382.priesttj Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
JFB it’s still Todd Haley’s offense man, what don’t you get about this. What HC in his right mind would change his offense just to change it. Whoever he hires will be hired to run that offense it’s just plain common sense. The HC is the same teh system is the same………period
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So last year we ran Cable’s offense? Can’t wait to see what Hue Jax offense look like.
May 8th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
423.La Milicia Negra Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
—”CSN Bay Area’s Paul Gutierrez believes third-rounder Joseph Barksdale has a “real shot” at winning the starting right tackle job this summer. Langston Walker is reportedly considering retirement, Khalif Barnes is an unrestricted free agent, and four-year vet Mario Henderson could also end up hitting the open market. Walker was among the NFL’s premier run-blocking tackles last season, so there could be a falloff if Barksdale takes over”—
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I made this call and posted it on this blog about 30 seconds after Barksdale’s name was called.
Dang, I sound like Priest. Period.
May 8th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Happy Mother’s Day to Raider Mom.
May 8th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
The Fakers go down like the classless punks they are.
May 8th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Lamar Odom trying to act tough was comical.
Wish someone on the Mavs would have put someone on the Lakers on their azz.
Nothing extremely flagrant, but a good hard foul “accidently” up-high was in order.
May 8th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
504 Raider Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Happy Mother’s Day to Raider Mom.
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Raider Mom had some hilarious MILF posts.
May 8th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
I’m with SnB, the Raiders look better than they have in years, but there are so many questions. Let’s just hope there is a season so we know where we stand.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Aside from Kobe the Lakers have the worst guard play in the league. Brown, Blake and Fisher is about as bad as it gets. Go get Brandon Roy, Jimmer Fredette and another solid vet and they can be very good next year. I’d like to send Beidrens, Reggie Williams and Dorrel Wright and a 1st rnd pick to the Lakers for Poa Gasoft. Draft Derek Williams from Arizona and put Gasoft at C with Udoh and David lee at PF.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
anyone watching this top 100? cant believe dmc was ranked so low and raji so high. i know snb is eatin that up with raji being #81 and dhb nowhere near 200. cant believe shaun phillips was 97. he should be way higher. eric berry 93 and mike williams 83? interesting how the players think.frank gore should also be much higher. josh freeman will be in the top 15 in a couple years. if we are more diverse with our use of dmc and bush, they can both be on the list for years. bush is way 2 talented to not be on this list.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Lakers problem is they are playing 6 on 12….
They have ZERO bench…
Also they miss Trevor Ariza badly….
They also need a real PG…
D Fish is way past his prime and gets eatin alive by eveyone…
Lakers fan can dram of getting Chris Paul after next year however I will bet even monet Paul goes to the Knicks to be with his homie C Anthony…
May 8th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
D H Bust is a joke. Al Davis is the worst judge of talent in the league. You should draft from film study, not 40 times.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Paul told a friend he was going to Miami.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Yeah Kirk we draft from40 times lol
I know man them bums they bring in are terrible Shannon Brown has no handles no court sense no game he’s just an athlete. Who told the Lakers to go get Matt Barnes? that was crazy I would’ve kept Ariza. Kobe gotta give up some of thathuge salary to get better because their guard play is rdiculous.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
priesttj Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Yeah Kirk we draft from40 times lol
I know man them bums they bring in are terrible Shannon Brown has no handles no court sense no game he’s just an athlete. Who told the Lakers to go get Matt Barnes? that was crazy I would’ve kept Ariza. Kobe gotta give up some of thathuge salary to get better because their guard play is rdiculous.
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ROFLMAO… Right….Matt barnes and steve blake= garbage…
May 8th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Man Michael Bush is a beast I have no idea how the Raiders have managed to get this kid so few carries if he were with Shanahan he’d have been to 2 probowls right now with somehwere near 5,000+ yards 1,200 rec’g and 40 TD’s.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMm7AcJ7RI&feature=related
choke slam @ 1:44
May 8th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
priest, we need to focus on dmc and bush getting 200-250 carries a piece like carolina did with williams and stewart a few years ago. both guys can get 1200 yards imo. we also dont take advantage of both of their receiving skills enuff. bush makes one handed catches with ease and dmc is never used as a down field threat but reece is. its time to stop handcuffing these 2 and turn them loose to dominate. i dont understand why they cant see this. hue was too damn stubborn for me. redzone should be all dmc and bush as a priority and let the rest fight for scraps. thats how we will win.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Armond I couldn’t agree more most teams would kill to get a tandem like ours. And we waste ‘em.
May 8th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Truth be told Cable didn’t have a damn clue what he was doing. He spent more time slappin’ people than he did coaching.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
I’m with Armond, I think Josh Freeman is going to emerge to the top of the second-tier QB’s by the end of next year, ahead of Matty Ice, Schaub, Rivers, and all those other guys.
Freeman is legit.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Preist, if we are going to draft Derrick Williams, we are going to need to trade up or a lottery miracle.
No way he falls out of the top 3.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
443.priesttj Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Truth be told Cable didn’t have a damn clue what he was doing. He spent more time slappin’ people than he did coaching.
haha, true dat. i hope al saunders slaps some sense into hue so he can see that. bush and dmc have the ability to dominate teams. that game in san diego is exactly what we should do most games. the passing game will get better becuz of that. if we get a few vet olineman this offense will take off. most exciting team in the afc will be the 2011 raiders. only the packers may be more fun to watch. we are building a complete team. cant forget the best kick/punt combo in the league along with a electrifying return man.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
vegas i dont understand how babin is ahead of phillips in sd. i hate the chargers but we know 1rst hand how good he is. have a problem with berry at 93 and raji at 81. dont think williams should be ahead freeman. freeman is what russell was suppose to be.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Armond,
Your saying the Raiders will be the most exciting team in the AFC. In essence your saying their offense will be among the best. Its nice to be a homer bro, but come on. McFadden and Z Miller are the ONLY ones who arent just “guys”. Campbell is decent at best and their WRs are among the worst in the league. Your WAY ovverating this offense.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
SWEEEEEEEEEP YA VERY MUCH……LAKERS GOOD STUFF LOL……….r8eray for NYJ game I like a case of Fat Tire beer
May 8th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
I said that when I saw Freeman as well I saw Russell. But I know you’re going to doubt me on this but I reaally like what JC brings to the table. He’s as athletic as anyone great arm but he just hasn’t had the continuity. I think most Raiders are going to be very surprised when they see JC play this year. Just the comfortability with the coaches and the playmakers we have will be very helpful.
I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t play real welll.
On the Warriors I think their going to do well in the Lottery for the first time this year. Last time we picked in the top 3 we drafted Mike (?) but we’re going to be in the top 3 again this year.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
The Raiders are rather exciting team…..most in AFC this? Who knows but the oline will have alot to do with that or not. Dan Lame isnt watching the games. The Raiders had alot of big pplays last season and that is undeniable
May 8th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Dan Land (MR) they were real good last year they just didn’t take off unil the 6th game of the year. had the raiders started off like they finished they would’ve been a top 10 offense last year.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Still trying make sense of the drunken post from bauce
….”most in AFC this?” What?
May 8th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
We start off against the two worst defenses in the NFL last yeaar Denver and Buffalo their defenses stink. We should be in the top 5 after 2 games.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Warriors better draft Alec Burks and dump Monta Ellis right now. Find a way to sign NeNe if he dont go to Miami or conjure up a way to trade for Bogut. David Lee sux and Udoh should start
May 8th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Priest(Drunken Fool),
Ifs and buts were candy and nuts wed all have a merry X mas.
The offense is improved but not one of the best. Not untill they get a line and some legit WRs/
May 8th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
The hawks and the Bulls have great guard play in contrast to the Lakers.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Just got done watching the hour of NFL replay on NFLN.
Watching the 49ers-Broncos game, and if anyone would rather face Tebow than Orton, they are crazy.
Kyle Orton may have been decent at one point in time, but that guy is downright awful these days, and just got a year older.
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I have to take serious issue with this post. Its just downright wrong. Man do you even remember watching Teabow play? Or are you seeing what you want to see?
May 8th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Should be in the top five after 2 games?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Meant to say this season damn lame….u are obviously slow as hell. Overrating the offense? No you just hate the Raiders. Offense did well last season and we expect better as most anyone would for 2011
May 8th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Damn Lame u are a pitiful trollin b-tch….to say someone is overrating the offense is crazy. Another year and the guys get even more comfortable with each other. How can you ignore that
May 8th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
LOL! Oh, didnt know I was supposed to guess what you MEANT to say. My bad homie….Have a few too many Mickeys Ices today playa??
Bottom line..to rate the Raiders O at or near the top of the league IS ovverating them. Period. End of convo
May 8th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
Raiders should smack denver week 1 but Im not super juiced about week 2. That game will be tougher than u can imagine
May 8th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Dan Land is MR!! Dan Land is MR!!! Anyone? Anyone?
May 8th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Damn Lame he said AFC…..how many offenses in AFC more explosive and exciting than Oakland’s?
May 8th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Another year together to get comfortable doesnt change the fact that they have no #1 WR( or a 2 for that matter), an inconsistent QB and a subpar o-line. Those are FACTS
May 8th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
The Lakers and the entire southern california sports culture in general sucks. What a low class team. What low class fans (think Dodger fans). What a low class city! LA is the dirtiest, most unappealing city of all of America’s major cities. People go there once to see Hollywood, never go back.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Campbell is a backup at best.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
BHP…what happen to Kobe and the 3peat? He better than MJ now? Lol
May 8th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Yeah, the Lakers suck. I mean how many titles have they won?? How many have they won recently?? Yep, thats a bad organization. LOL!! Unreal
May 8th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Damn Lame….with all of that u said…how did Raiders have a good offense last year?
May 8th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Campbell is a backup? yawwwwnnnnnnn……Been a starter except his rookie year. Raiders scored 26 a game this year while JC being 7-5 as starter…..next
May 8th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
MR, the MEDS are your friends.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
They buy their championships, Dan. Refs gave it to them in 2002.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Haley is a awful HC. That was all Wiess last year; who is gone this year and you should see the impact.
Wiess left for an equivalent position in college. To me that says a lot about Haley (considering the rumors of the drama coming out of KC).
May 8th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Ah, an Angelino came in to take a beating. Hi, “Dr” LOL.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Lakers are done without Phil…..had a good run now its time to start over
May 8th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Oh, Bauce, I understand Campbell has started for terms, per se, what I meant is that he’ll never be a good starter. I thought you smart enough to catch that. Guess not.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
KC will be 6-10 this year…..that team got exposed by Raiders and Ravens in january….smoke n mirrors season for them in 2010
May 8th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Dr. Hunter ,what s#iitt hole LA community do you live in?
May 8th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Jason Campbell has never been a CONSISTENTLY good NFL starting QB. That is a fact.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Hmmmm well Team played better with him in game. Scored more pts got more yards and had more wins with JC…..i say thats a starter
May 8th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Have the Lakers ever won without Phil Jax??
May 8th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Yeah not like JC HAD any stability in DC….that franchise been more fked up than ours
May 8th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Wow. That’s splitting hairs, Bauce. Team played better with him playing? So, basically, that means he’s better than the other sorry QBs on the Raiders roster. Woohoo!
May 8th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
This year everyone will know how good Mr. Jason Campbell is.
His first year in the NFL with playing in the same offense as the previous year.
May 8th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Bauce,
Has Jason Campbell ever been a consistent year after year NFL qb?
What did you predict for KC last year?? LOL
May 8th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Campbell is a backup anywhere else in the league.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Lol Damn Lame….before phil it was a 12 year drought……Lakers not winning it with current roster…..Kobe is on decline and the guy who kept the rec room together is out…..it was a good run but its done
May 8th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Yeah, Retribution. Campbell’s going to throw for 4,000 yards this year and the Raiders are going to win 12 games!
May 8th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Damn Lame……i dunno u tell me troll….what did i say? U were here but under what name now?
May 8th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Cant dispute the facts on the current Laker team but to call them anything but a great organization is ludicrous.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Splitting hairs? did you see the Raider offense move the ball well this year? see how much better the team was on offense? JC IS THE LEADER of that
May 8th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Im sure you called them a 3 or 4 win team but who knows… I notice you didnt answer my question about Campbell
May 8th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Bauce, I saw the Raiders miss the playoffs…again.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Damn Lame when did I say that? never once…..their fans are chumps and kobe is a snitch but their front office does what it takes to win
May 8th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
I already answered Damn Lame….see where i talk about the stability in DC being worse than ours….No one is succeeding under the circumstance he had
May 8th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Los Angeles is an embarrassment to America’s other major cities.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
I never said you said that. Someone else here was commenting on the Lakers in a ant-La rant.
How exactly was the Chiefs year smoke and mirrors and the Raiders wasnt??
May 8th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Your take on Campbell is nothing but an excuse.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Damn Lame cable ruined the season with the Grad thing….. Raiders win that division had cable not done that
May 8th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
LOL…ok bauce. The Raiders woulda , shoulda, coulda won the title last year.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Actually no its not…..Campbell is an above average qb….to even suggest he is average or below that shows either an agenda or just an overall lack of football knowledge
May 8th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
He is a decent NFL starting Qb. Nothing more, mothing less.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
KC smoke n mirros=2-4 in afc west….enough said
May 8th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
If Campbell was playing ANYwhere else you would say he was a bum. Fact
May 8th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Damn Lame he is decent…exactly but ppl on heree saying he sucks dont know football
May 8th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Lol Damn Lame….before phil it was a 12 year drought……Lakers not winning it with current roster…..Kobe is on decline and the guy who kept the rec room together is out…..it was a good run but its done
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The Lakers need to trade Gasol, Andrew Bynum is the second best Center in the league, though Marc Gasol is gaining on him. What they really need is a PG that can get to the rack and a consistent 3pt threat who can knock down a shot on the kick
May 8th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
No i wouldnt….ive always liked JC as a qb
May 8th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Damn LAME just cuz a guy plays for Raiders doesnt mean I like him……see Russell? Schweigert? HUFF? Nnamdi?
May 8th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
If JC starts all year we make the playoffs…………period
May 8th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Campbell is “above average”. LOL. That’s playing it safe. Could you ever see him winning MVP, Bauce?
May 8th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Severe….lacks need athletes…..old ass teams aint making it now with them young legs going fast
May 8th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Jason Campbell is an above average QB and a gamer. Look at the first SD game or the Jax game….he was at his best when we neede him to be. In KC Jacoby bailed him out on one play (which is what a #1 receiver would do on another team, but we lack one) and that throw he made in OT was perfect. People forget that Jacoby had a drop that really cost us late in one game, I believe it was in SF.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Severe,
Should they have traded Pau before or after he won 2 titles??
May 8th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
JC win mvp? Doubt that….decent above average even lightweight good but he isnt great…..gannon wasnt even great. Gannon 6-6 in first 12 starts
May 8th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
priest, do you ever see Campbell winning MVP?
May 8th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Campbell is the 3rd best QB in the AFC West, in a QB driven league thats troubling.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
I’ve been saying the Lakers need a great PG since they started winning with Shaq and Kobe but those two were so dominant it hid the fact that that was a real weakness now that Kobe can’t bail them out anymore it’s more evident.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Severe exactly…..the hate on JC IS CRAZY. Idiots like NinerWoman49 still hold the tennessee game against the guy
May 8th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
So, he’s not MVP material. The best you can say about him is that he’s “above average”. lol. Sounds to me like you know he sucks, Bauce.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Who gives a F if he wins MVP??
May 8th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
JC IS 2ND BEST qb in afc west…..cassell is not better than JC…..no weiss in kc anymore
May 8th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Gannon won MVP, Bauce. I asked you if you think Campbell could do it, you said no. I think your own words settle the Gannon vs. Campbell debate, dont they?
May 8th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Severe….lacks need athletes…..old ass teams aint making it now with them young legs going fast
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Dont need a bunch of atheletes, just a speedy point guard and a more athletic wing defender than Artest (which could be Ebanks) and they need perimeter shooting. Gasol must go.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Lol how many qbs are MVPs in the league? Come on
May 8th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Bauce, your simply dillusional if you think Cassel isnt better than Campbell. That is just proof you dont look at this Raider team rationally. Your out of your mind man. I dont even hate JC, but you are going way too far with this, especially after the year Cassel had.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Severe u need more athletes than the one…brown……u need an athletic rebounding forward too. PG of course u need….letting farmar go was idiotic
May 8th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
RAIDER Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Gannon won MVP, Bauce. I asked you if you think Campbell could do it, you said no. I think your own words settle the Gannon vs. Campbell debate, dont they?
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How old was gannon when he wn the MVP??? Did he not have Rice, Brown, and Jerry Porter (who at the time was the best #3 wr in the league) on his squad, plus a hell of an OL, Garner catchin passes out of the backfield, and a HC that was willing to throw it 50 times a game???
May 8th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Severe,
Pau isnt the problem and Artest is one of the best defenders in the league.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Gannon never could have success in our offense with his limited arm and 2002 year was bs. He dinked and dunked for that. Superbowl exposed his sorry ass
May 8th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Bauce,
Your serioulsy hating on a guy who won as many games as Gannon did?? Im starting to see you for who you are bro.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Cassell was a result of weiss for most of the year…..i watched raiders blatter that fool twice and cassell stunk vs afc west….please spare me
May 8th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Welcome Raiders fans to another exciting episode of the Bauce, Dan land and Raider show.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Nothing better than to see the back to back home duds Cassell had vs Oakland and Bmore
May 8th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Severe u need more athletes than the one…brown……u need an athletic rebounding forward too. PG of course u need….letting farmar go was idiotic
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Farmar is the Justin Fargas of the NBA excpt not nearly as tough. He has great athleticism but can’t put it together. Brown is one athelete and Ebanks is another. They could use an another athletic wing comin off the bench but their biggest need is a PG that can penerate and cause the defense to collapse and a shooter to capitalize off of it.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Gannon had success in dink and dunk chump offense and at that time in NFL he could do alright but league isnt doing f@g offenses like that anymore. When gannon went against stout defenses he was in trouble
May 8th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Severe….farmar is not Farglass not even close…Farglass has zero talent. Plus you really think fisher/blake woulda played better D than farmar this year?
May 8th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Bauce,
Your a 100% dead red Raider homer who cant see anything with rational eyes. Thats just the bottom line. I thought it, then when you bashed Gannon, I KNEW it. How many GMs in the league you think would take Campbell over Cassel??? Answer.. ZEEEE ROH!
May 8th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Severe,
Pau isnt the problem and Artest is one of the best defenders in the league.
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Pau Gasol is a very skilled offensive player but is consistently punked by guys like Carl Landry and Chuck Hayes. He is a poor rotational defender and an average sot blocker for someone his height. Artest WAS one of the best defenders in the leaugue, he still has quick hands but his foot speed has left him and he has zero athleticism at the 3, which is where a lot of teams have their best athletes
May 8th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Severe….and kobe has fallen off so bad….hall of famer but he just isnt great anymore
May 8th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Lol after seeing weiss was leaving with the embarrasing home losses to end season….they would take campbell
May 8th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Cassell isnt as accurate not as mobile as JC……JC clowned Cassell last year hahahahaha
May 8th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Severe….farmar is not Farglass not even close…Farglass has zero talent. Plus you really think fisher/blake woulda played better D than farmar this year?
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Farmar has speed, so did Fargass. Farmar lacked court vision, Fargass couldn’t recognize a cut back lane if Huggy Bear dropped the dime on where it would be. Farmar let Blake drop a triple double on that head last year and was getting worked by Brooks and other PG’s all last season
May 8th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Severe….and kobe has fallen off so bad….hall of famer but he just isnt great anymore
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its time for Bynum t be the #1 option as he should have been this whole series, Kobe and Gasol jacking up shots was counter productive. Kobe needs to be the #2 option and the closer next season and the Lakers need to give Ebanks some burn
May 8th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Cassel 27 td 7 picks
Campbell 13 and 8. Campbell has NEVER thrown more that 20 tds, Cassel has twice.
Matt Cassel is a better QB than Jason Campbell. That is not up for dispute.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Bauce,
Your a 100% dead red Raider homer who cant see anything with rational eyes. Thats just the bottom line. I thought it, then when you bashed Gannon, I KNEW it. How many GMs in the league you think would take Campbell over Cassel??? Answer.. ZEEEE ROH!
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How many teams would have taken Gannon over their QB when we first acquired him. He was ran out of KC for Elvis Grbac
May 8th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Who gives a funk Severe?? Gannon won 3 straight AFC west titles and took the Raiders to the Superbowl. Any Raider fan who disses on Gannon is a FOOL. Especially after whats happened since he left.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Severe,
You saying Campbell(# 18 ranked QB in NFL) is better than Cassel( #8 ranked)??
May 8th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Cassel 27 td 7 picks
Campbell 13 and 8. Campbell has NEVER thrown more that 20 tds, Cassel has twice.
Matt Cassel is a better QB than Jason Campbell. That is not up for dispute.
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Cassell has had Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Dwayne Bowe as his Wr’s. The best JC has ever had is Coles, and Santana Moss.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Cassell is not a great player he had a great WR and good TE and checked everything down if they weren’t open. JC hands down is better than Cassell. This year will bare that out.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Damn Lame…..did u say earlier we had no number one WR?…yep cassell had bowe and moss for his td numbers……and before u say it….no santana moss isnt a real number 1
May 8th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Hands down better than Cassel….LOL…Gee I wonder who the idiot was that said that?? Its gettn good in here again.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Bauce isnt a fan….never have and never will bE one
May 8th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Who gives a funk Severe?? Gannon won 3 straight AFC west titles and took the Raiders to the Superbowl. Any Raider fan who disses on Gannon is a FOOL. Especially after whats happened since he left.
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That was the argument that you made, not me. I dont hate Gannon, was a good WC offense QB, but he couldn’t deliver in the biggest game of his. We don’t know what JC can do with Hue as head coach. You are trying to judge him off of what he did before he got here, give him another year and then make the call
May 8th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Cassell still the guy who couldnt beat out Leinhart lol…….cassell coming down to earth this season
May 8th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
bauce yall know what im sayin, mr is just starting arguments again. exciting team includes defense and special teams. ford was a exciting return man, we sack the qb a lot and we can explode on offense. we need to get better against the run and more consistent in short yardage.i believe our passing game will get better and the oline wll be improved. i was at that kc game when jano hit the game winner in a rain storm. that sh!t was exciting as hell. of course raider haters dont see that.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I dont mind Campbell. Hes not bad. But to say based on their careers to date, that hes better than Cassel is rediculous. Cassel has done things that Campbell hasnt even approached.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Severe….Damn Lame also ignoring how Cassell was in his first year in KC…..but 2nd season he did better but yet JC cant in his eyes lol
May 8th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Cassel couldnt beat out a guy who won the Heisman and a Nat Title….bum.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
i actually think kc is on the rise. they were definitely exposed but their draft was interesting. i hate them more than the chargers and god knows how much i cant stand them.
May 8th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
16 tds 16 ints, 14 fumbles with 3 lost. 5.9 avg / attempt
May 8th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
What QB had the better year in 2010? Whos team made Playoffs? Nuff said.
May 8th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Severe,
You saying Campbell(# 18 ranked QB in NFL) is better than Cassel( #8 ranked)??
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So by your logic you are saying that Cassell is better than Schaub (9), Peyton Manning (10), Matt Ryan (11), Drew Brees (12), Jay Cutler (16), and Eli Manning (17). Also by that same criteria JC is better than Carson Palmer (19), Sam Bradford (25), and Mark Sanchez (27)
May 8th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Who’s team took a beatdown by the silver and black for the season sweep?
May 8th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Anyhow im out yall….deciding on hittin Elbo Room or dat Shattuck club in Berkeley….reggae night
May 8th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Severe….Damn Lame also ignoring how Cassell was in his first year in KC…..but 2nd season he did better but yet JC cant in his eyes lol
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All I know is that JC went against Cassell twice last year and was 2-0
May 8th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Priest,
Who was in the playoffs and who wasnt? Thanks for playing homie.
May 8th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Severe,
Rather beat KC twice or be in playoffs and lose to em twice??
May 8th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Cassell was older than Leinhart and got punked by an average arm slow poke. Cassell is trash thats why raiders swept him lol
May 8th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
KC was 2-4 in the division and didnt play pitt or miami….they instead get clev and buf….anyways see ya
May 8th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Severe,
Rather beat KC twice or be in playoffs and lose to em twice??
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What did KC do in the playoffs? Our strong division play is something that we can build up from. The Chiefs won’t be building off of a playoff butt kicking and 4-4 division record.
May 8th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
2-4*
May 8th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Avg arm slow poke that won heisman and natty title….Leinart may be a NFL bum but he was a great college QB.
May 8th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Severe,
Missed your answer…..
May 8th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Severe,
Are you going to sit here and play up the Raiders as an up and comer but downplay KC as a team on the rise?
May 8th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 8th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Severe,
Are you going to sit here and play up the Raiders as an up and comer but downplay KC as a team on the rise?
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They lost their offensive coordinator, thomas jones will slow down, and they have almost as many offensive line issues as us. i dont think that they can do much better than they did last year, i actually think that thwy will come down from 10-6 to 9-7. I believe the Raiders are capable of winning 10 or 11 games next year if we can get production from the WR position.
May 8th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
im out…catch yall later
May 8th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
I have to take serious issue with this post. Its just downright wrong. Man do you even remember watching Teabow play? Or are you seeing what you want to see?
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Terrapin,
I have the NFL package, and watched almost every snap of two of his starts (Chargers and Raiders), and watched most of the end of the Texans game after ours was ending with PIP.
Had a 100 QB rating his first NFL start (one of only a handful of guys to do that on the road in NFL history), threw for 300 yards and led a comeback victory in his second start, and is the only QB IN NFL HISTORY to have both a rushing TD and passing TD in his first 3 starts.
In NFL HISTORY!!
I may be way off on this one, but I have greater fears moving forward facing Tebow than Rivers and Cassel.
May 8th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Anyone who doesn’t think Gannon was a great quarterback is an idiot. Gannon was tremendous. Gannon completed 43 out of 64 passes against the Steeler defense. Check out the video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvPIAXpu7eg
May 8th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
“Walker was among the NFL’s premier run-blocking tackles last season”
This isn’t even true. The Raiders averaged something like 3.5 ypc when rushing off the right side. Sub-par run blocking and poor pass protection on the right side of the line are the reasons the Raiders drafted Barksdale. Lord knows Al wouldn’t draft two offensive linemen within his first three picks just for s**ts and giggles.
May 9th, 2011 at 3:28 am
A visit from Raiders coach Hue Jackson is the prize as schools grades kindergarten through high school compete in a “Show Your Raiders School Spirit” contest as sponsored by the club.
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“Show your spirit…”
Hit someone.
Sorry kids, I couldn’t resist that and I was forced to by the complete lack of news about the Raiders and football.
It’s like you’re in the middle of the desert and there’s around for miles and you really..really need to have a drink of beer.
May 9th, 2011 at 3:33 am
A visit from Raiders coach Hue Jackson is the prize as schools grades kindergarten through high school compete in a “Show Your Raiders School Spirit” contest as sponsored by the club.
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“Show your Raider spirit kids”
Hit someone.
Sorry kids, I couldn’t resist that and I was forced to do it by the complete lack of news about the Raiders and football.
It’s like you’re in the middle of the desert and there’s no one and nothing around for miles and you really..really need to have a drink of… beer.
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There were so many many typos in that had to re-do it so that it made semi-sense.
May 9th, 2011 at 5:26 am
The fakers showed their true colors last night. Hollywood thuglife.
They got sweepted, Did you hear what I said
SWEEPTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
After all the laker butt love we have had to put up for the last three years, this morning feels good!!
Time to smoke some dirtweed!!
May 9th, 2011 at 5:32 am
Noone is talking about how good the Mavs are, let alone talking about sweeping the defending champs.
Instead the story is about Phil and the poor poor poor fakers. What will they do?
May 9th, 2011 at 5:36 am
They should be talking about what a great job Rick Carlisle has done in rebuilding the Mavs.
But thats all the BB talk for me.
Go underdogs!! I might actually watch some playoff BB.
I am leaning twords rooting for Memphis.
I like Zack!
May 9th, 2011 at 6:10 am
Good Morning Nation!
Plunk, do you know why? Because even though the Mavs swept The Lakers, they may not past the Grizzlies or the Thunder. Because he who lives by the 3, dies by the 3 also, and unfortunately, that is what they do! My hats off to the Mavs, but I am moving on…Phil should retire and will go down as the Greatest Coach in History…20 years, 13 Fianls appearances, 11 Rings…cannot beat that!
However, I will agree with you on this, that was a very sad display by Odom and Bynum yesterday, and sad to end Phil’s Hall of Fame career on that note! Well, unfortunately for all the Haters…The Lakers WILL be back and sooner than many think!
May 9th, 2011 at 6:36 am
Oh well…back to my main team…and main sport to watch! ARE WE GONNA HAVE FOOTBALL THIS YEAR?
May 9th, 2011 at 6:45 am
HEY HWNRDR.I STILL THINK THERE WILL BE GAMES LOST 2 THIS THING..MAYBE ONLY A PRE-SEASON GAME OR 2 BUT JUST DO NOT C THEM SWEATING UNTIL THEN.THEN THE NETWORKS WILL START APPLYING PRESSURE.AND THATS WERE THE NFL’S BREAD IS BUTTERD…
May 9th, 2011 at 6:48 am
Good Morning Dirt Lot…I hope so…I just cannot remember what happened in 87, 88…cannot remember what year, but wasn’t that a 9 game season also?
May 9th, 2011 at 6:56 am
Good morning Hwnrdr, Dirt-lot
NFL LOCKOUT UPDATE: NFL to Completely Shut Down?
by Dave Cariello on May 8, 2011 6:17 PM CDT
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Hopefully tomorrow we will get a ruling from the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals about whether the NFL lockout will be lifted so that football as we know it can resume while lawyers fight it out. And assuming Judge Nelson’s ruling is upheld, we would expect the owners to accede and open their doors without incident.
But Mike Florio has been hearing otherwise. Apparently, if the NFL doesn’t get their way in appellate court, owners will shut down the league completely in an effort to get exactly what they want:
We’re hearing initial rumblings pointing to the possibility that a loss by the league at the appellate level will prompt the owners to completely shut down all business operations until the players agree to a new labor deal. The thinking is that, if the owners cease all operations, the NFL would not be violating the court order because there would be no lockout. Instead, the league essentially would be going out of business – something for which the NFL repeatedly chided the union in the weeks and months preceding decertification of the NFLPA.
Oh boy, that’s not good. Keep in mind that Florio is classifying this as a rumor; nothing here is close to fact just yet. Chances are he’s just throwing this info out there so he looks good in the event this actually happens.
But it is a possibility. And given the fact that we’re already in uncharted territory, nothing would surprise me at this point. But from a PR standpoint, this would make the league look really bad in the eyes of NFL fans.
What do you guys think?
May 9th, 2011 at 6:56 am
Ok, sorry…87 only cancelled one game with 3 played with the scabs (Tom Cable being one of them for Indiannapolis). 82 was the year I was thinking about. Funny is that both years The Redskins won the SB…could it be a third???
May 9th, 2011 at 6:59 am
I read somewhere, can’t remember where and it was awhile ago, but that the owners get TV money for this next year regardless if the play or not. Not as much, but enough to keep them operationally afloat.
Owners are billionaires who are losing a few million. Players are millionaires who are losing millions.
Who do you think cries uncle first?
May 9th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Good Morning Guest…
That would really suck! Bad thing is that some of the owners now know nothing about football, only $$$.
Me as a fan right now, I only put $100 down to save my seats when I supposed to be paid almost in full. Can’t fathom losing $1200 awaiting pay back from the Raiders…
I do believe that they need to end this crap now though…the networks will step in? Why not now? We as fans got the crap end of the stick because they really don’t care about us!
May 9th, 2011 at 7:03 am
I’ve never said as much about the Lakers, don’t really follow NBA anymore, but I have hated the Lakers for a long time. Just never liked their petulant attitude and hand signals and sneers when they win.
Like I said, don’t really care. Them losing gives me a chuckle. But I’m embarrassed for Laker fans at how they got beat. That little tough guy act and taking off the jersey storming off the court tells the world about Laker class.
LOL
May 9th, 2011 at 7:06 am
We as fans got the crap end of the stick because they really don’t care about us!
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You are right about this. But we always keep coming back like puppets. We are as much at fault as anyone.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:06 am
First I support J. Campbell as our starter and Raider QB. I will be patient and see what happens.
But isn’t Campbell considered the 4th best QB in our division?
We got Jason Campbell for a 2012 4th round pick! We did not win a bidding war to get him. Other teams did not want Jason Campbell. Not saying we didn’t get a bargain, but…
The Chargers got more for Charlie Whitehurst (2010 3rd) from the Seahawks than the Redkskins got for Campbell! Cassell was traded for a 2nd round pick from NE. You think the Broncos are going to part ways with Orton for 2013 4th rounder? Campbell was a blue-Light special and I hope that Al Davis looks like a genius for it.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:09 am
I’ll take JC over both Cassell and definitely Teabow. JC had a $Htstorm to deal with in the early part of the season when Cable was playing musical chairs with the OL.
I think JC is better than you think. 4th best QB? No way!
May 9th, 2011 at 7:21 am
I am a Raider fan, I drink the Kool-Aid; Al Davis is a genius and makes wise investments…
I am not saying that “I” think Campbell is the 4th best QB in our division, I am saying the rest of the league feels that way.
How did we get Campbell for 2012 4th round pick?
What do you think the Broncos are going to get for Orton? A 2nd or 3rd round pick?
Again, the Chargers got a 3rd rounder from that year’s draft for Charlie Whitehurst!
I agree, I would rather have Campbell over Cassell or Tebow! (But I am a Raider fan!)
May 9th, 2011 at 7:27 am
Well, since we traded our 2nd rounder next year for Barksdale and Taiwan Jones (time will tell if that was a good trade or not), we can only offer up a 3rd rounder for Steve Smith. And that’s a good thing. We shouldn’t overpay for an aging copy of what we already have in Ford.
I personally think we should pass on him altogether, unless signed off the street. Unless Hue has a few plays hidden for a 2 smurf WR package up his sleeve.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:29 am
How did we get Campbell for 2012 4th round pick?
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Redskins just didn’t want him. But they are poor judges of talent. They actually thought a washed-up, tank dry QB like McNabb was going to lead them to the playoffs. It’s no wonder whatever they touch turns to crap. They have the reverse-midas touch.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:39 am
I don’t really have a problem with Odom’s foul on Diggler. Diggler fouled Odom pretty hard around the head the previous play. You’re up 30 in the 4th qtr, no nenes to be that aggressive defensively. So Odom set a really physical shoulder to chest screen on Diggler.
Now Bynum is a big arsse baby and is just mad he’s about to be traded for Howard.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Yeah I think that Odom’s foul wasn’t that bad, it was just sad that it came when we were getting blown out! But Bynum shouldn’t have done that right after Odom’s ejection…then he took off his shirt and Artest walked him off…
May 9th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Would be surprising to see Steve Smith here with Ford coming on. Can’t see Al going all smurf on us. Only one smurf gets to play.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Taiwan Jones returning punts is one thing I’m really looking forward to seeing. To think how far our return game has come from 2 years ago is amazing.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:50 am
if only S.Smith and J.Ford played for the Colts then that would be really funny #604
May 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
I thinks its more likely that we go after Ochocinco if we go after a vet wr at all.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Laker just need some time off they will be ok… if your not a laker fan and you wanna hate ask yourself how many championships have your team won?
May 9th, 2011 at 7:56 am
I watched some highlights on Taiwan this weekend. His open field evasiveness reminds me of Barry Sanders. His ankles are like freakin lightning.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Kick return game came a long way. Remember when we had Yamon Figurs as our opening day KR. Waived the next day. LOL.
Ford was tearing it up on KR’s. If he cedes the spot to Taiwan, I hope that Taiwan earns it rightfully.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Jonesy941 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Laker just need some time off they will be ok… if your not a laker fan and you wanna hate ask yourself how many championships have your team won?
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I dont much care about basketball, but I think the comparison between Kobe and Jordon should be put to rest. Kobe or Lebron are not as good as Jordon was.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Isn’t his ankles also like glass. idk…I just heard that he has injury problems…
May 9th, 2011 at 7:59 am
yeah that taiwan jones guys looked pretty good in his highlights video but nobody is Barry Sanders!
May 9th, 2011 at 8:00 am
And you’re right…no one will be Jordan!
May 9th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Ford was tearing it up on KR’s. If he cedes the spot to Taiwan, I hope that Taiwan earns it rightfully.
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Ford will still get some KRs. They will probably have Ford and Jones back and whichever side it comes to gets the return. Jones will likely return punts though. This will give way for Ford to get more snaps at WR
May 9th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Ford will still get some KRs. They will probably have Ford and Jones back and whichever side it comes to gets the return. Jones will likely return punts though. This will give way for Ford to get more snaps at WR
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I like your way of thinking.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Jonesy941 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 7:59 am
yeah that taiwan jones guys looked pretty good in his highlights video but nobody is Barry Sanders!
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For sure. I was just saying the open field moves he makes are very Sanders-esque if you will.
I think he had a little durability issues, and some fumbling issues, I dont think they are worried though because I doubt if this kid will even see 10 snaps a game.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:09 am
i know and i dont think Kobe is as good as Jordon either
May 9th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Durability issues are overblown for a speed back like Taiwan. Remember the reason why CJ2K has been so great. He is so friggin fast, he usually gets a glancing blow. It’s hard to square up a decent tackle on that guy. If Taiwan can get the kind of blocking that McFadden got last year, he could throw up some suprising stats. And no reason to think he’s going to get dinged up again.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Has the lockout been lifted yet?
May 9th, 2011 at 9:09 am
‘Sup fellas.
Yeah I’d like to see Taiwan Jones heavily involved in the return game also. Especially punts. The Raiders have struggled in that area for couple of years now.
JLH looked to be the answer in ‘08, with 3 punt returns for scores. Then he got his bell rung and was never the same.
Does anybody have stats for Taiwan Jones as a returner? The NFL Scout.com draft guide I have just says that he is an experienced kickoff and punt returner. No stats, though. With his rare elusiveness and acceleration he should be absolutely lethal in the open field. To quote Bart Scott: “CAN’T WAIT”!
May 9th, 2011 at 9:11 am
when dose the court have to make a ruling already this is gay
May 9th, 2011 at 9:12 am
here’s an update on the lockout:
8th circuit is probably not going to rule at all on the stay in which case the temporary stay remains in place.
thursday is the day for judge Doty to deliberate on the 4 billion in TV revenue
later this month is mandatory CBA talks between the two sides under mediation
this month is the month for statements to the 8th circuit defending each sides stand on the issue
june 3rd is the day the 8th circuit deliberates (estimated 4-6 weeks till decision)
latest rumors suggests that if the players get there way at all the NFL can simply “go out of business” until an agreement is reached.
conclusion: don’t hold your breath unless you can go to the courthouse and protest or something
good news: jasoncampbell8 is the twitter page that JC has posted up pics of him, murphy and DHB workin out together. he said that more guys have been there too and it’s been an ongoing thing.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:12 am
did Clausen give JaMarcus Newton his # yet ???
May 9th, 2011 at 9:15 am
I posted this on Twitter, and Stan retweeted it:
“@SRoutt26 We should get everyone in #RaiderNation to donate $1 to Routt2Success Foundation for every INT you get this year.”
The cost would be nominal for most of us, I mean if he got 10 INTs this year that would be astounding (the entire team only had 11 last year). Say he gets 5 picks this year, if 20,000 of us donated $5 that would be huge. That was my generous thought for the year.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:17 am
for the first time in a while a woman was right when she lifted the lockout then some greedy f**k gets paid to keep it going usually judges never over rule each others ruling
May 9th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Mavs dumped the Lakers by 36 in a clean sweep
LOL!
I’m not sure if it was Dakota rooting for OKC in the West or OBL taking a bullet since everybody knows the L.A. Divas are owned by al-Q@eda …
but the Lake Show dynnasty is over. SLAM!!!
anybody hear that door shut ???
May 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Actually, I’m pretty sure OKC will be down 3-1 after tonight since Dakota joined their fan base …
ray, Hwnrdr, BSJ, Exla: how you boys feelin’ today?
May 9th, 2011 at 9:21 am
LMAO at JaMarcus Newton
Thats about what I think as well.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:22 am
The additions of Cal’s Shane Vereen and LSU’s Stephan Ridley gives Bill Belichick what he wants at the position: A ton of option for his running back committee that are comfortable in a variety of roles. It also makes the Patriots backfield much younger.
Fred Taylor is surely gone, and it looks like Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk will follow.
-PFT
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Anybody want an over-the-hill RB?
A bunch of guys on this site were asking about Tiki Barber and we all know Michael Bennett got re-signed for some odd reason!
May 9th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Nolan Nawrocki has QB’s pegged like Al Davis keeps tabs on college trackstars …
He just doesn’t miss!
May 9th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Some reject was in here last week claiming that Kim Newton was revolutionizing the NFL.
I tried telling the little guy that there is a lockout and Kim has not even played one down in the NFL yet but that didn’t matter to him he tried hard justifying his post anyways.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:25 am
but my love for the NFL took a blow on that draft day when the league played with the fans emotions by saying the lockout is lifted then saying its back on
May 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am
replacing Gallery, Satele, Carlisle & Walker means 4 new starters on the O-Line … 2 of them rookies
if continuity means anything, expect a HUGE dropoff in production from the O-Line. Especially since Cable & both of his OL Coaches are also gone.
Most Raider fans assume that change means change for the better, but that isn’t always the case. Plus who knows if/when training camp will start up? Thats valuable time lost for these new coaches and these young hogs that need grooming
You’re basically losing Higgins & NMiller from the WR Corps and replacing them with 2 rookie late rounders. I still see DHB, Murphy, Ford & Schilens getting 95 percent of the WR reps. JLH & lil Nick caught a combined 13 passes last season so it’s not like there is some HUGE void to fill there
if Campbell, McFadden, Bush & Zmiller stay healthy all season, I’d still say 8-8 is a possibility, looking at the schedule … but that’s being generous to the defense which is likely to lose Asomugha & Huff in the secondary!
May 9th, 2011 at 9:27 am
If I were a Laker hater I wouldn’t laugh too loud, this team has the ability to reload quickly they have some valuable parts they can move for great players. Gasol no matter how poorly he olayed would garner a superstar. Same with Bynum and I think one of those two is on his way out. You get get a couple of shooters and another superstar to go with Kobe to take the pressure off him late in games. They could return as soon as next year.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Anybody see the news scrolling across BSPN that an agent has come forward to claim that six NFL teams have contacted him about signing his clients as undrafted free agents?
The NFL says that any team found to have done so, will be charged with tampering since that is a no-no. What is the penalty for tampering? Is it just a fine or could it include forfeiting of draft picks?
Anybody think AD might have been involved? There are some intriguing prospects out there waiting to be signed once this damn deal is done.
The raiders had shown interest in that QB Josh Portis as a developmental prospect. That safety from Hawaii they brought in went undrafted and defensive lineman Cedric Thornton as well.
I guess this is a story we might hear more about here soon. Just get the damn deal done, so everybody can get back to business. Greedy Bastards.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:33 am
agree to dis agree and pull a number out of a freaking hat if u have to five tabs for owners five tabs for the players but get over your selves
May 9th, 2011 at 9:39 am
I think this may have been the most prudent offseason and draft Bill belichik has ever had. They not only got Tom Brady’s replacement they got what he knew Tom Brady as well as Ryan Mallet need the most being late in Brady’s career an early in Ryan Malletts. He got a legitimate running game. Out of all the drafts as far as securing a teams future I think they did the best job.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Great point Rockstar
You cant just plug in 4 new starters and expect to be better than we were last year. It takes time for an OL to gel.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am
replacing Gallery, Satele, Carlisle & Walker means 4 new starters on the O-Line … 2 of them rookies
if continuity means anything, expect a HUGE dropoff in production from the O-Line. Especially since Cable & both of his OL Coaches are also gone.
Most Raider fans assume that change means change for the better, but that isn’t always the case. Plus who knows if/when training camp will start up? Thats valuable time lost for these new coaches and these young hogs that need grooming
You’re basically losing Higgins & NMiller from the WR Corps and replacing them with 2 rookie late rounders. I still see DHB, Murphy, Ford & Schilens getting 95 percent of the WR reps. JLH & lil Nick caught a combined 13 passes last season so it’s not like there is some HUGE void to fill there
if Campbell, McFadden, Bush & Zmiller stay healthy all season, I’d still say 8-8 is a possibility, looking at the schedule … but that’s being generous to the defense which is likely to lose Asomugha & Huff in the secondary!
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You must have a monday morning hangover. Man that is a bleak forecast.
1) Totally disagree with you about the O-line continuity thing. Cable’s weak ZBS is out the door. The guys that are coming in are going to be in the power blocking system. And I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think we could resign Mario Henderson back. Wiz II/Satele solidify the center position, which was a wreck at the start of last season. I don’t see a huge dropoff in production here. This unit will be fine. You’ll see.
2) Training camp is stalled out for everyone, so nobody gets a head start. I hear Jason Campbell is getting the boys together for drills and workouts. And if they are slow to gel, the other teams defense will likewise be slow to gel, so it’s a wash.
3) Changes to the WR corp haven’t been seen yet. I agree that our Rook WR’s wont make much of an impact this coming year, if they even make the team (which I doubt). But I think we bring in a vet FA WR like Ocho or Floyd and this will really solidify the WR crew.
4) 8-8, man get some black coffee man! Our Defensive front 7 is solid, and expect the DB’s to step up their game with competition from Chekwa and DVD.
10-6, AFC WEST CHAMPS!
Write it down!
May 9th, 2011 at 9:49 am
the league is losing fans by the sec if ticket sales are down dont blame lack of fan support they brought this on them selves
May 9th, 2011 at 9:50 am
“10-6, AFC WEST CHAMPS!”
That is pretty much what is expected from Hue Jackson. If he loses the division and we miss the playoffs I can see the overhead projector being dusted off.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Regarding the 6 teams that contacted FA with their cell phones:
How can the owners come to an agreement with the players when they can’t even come to an agreement with themselves. Big Market/Small Market, new stadium/old stadium. aggressive/laid back; there are 32 different situations and almost all are run by big money, big ego highly successful people that aren’t accustom to compromising.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:52 am
huff can take a walk with his bad open field tackling whoever gets him we need to run to huffs side if they play 2 deep safeties and that is six all day
May 9th, 2011 at 9:57 am
big oak boy Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 9:52 am
huff can take a walk with his bad open field tackling whoever gets him we need to run to huffs side if they play 2 deep safeties and that is six all day
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I have a hard time blaming Huff for playing with his back to the ball. The whole single safety strategy puts a lot of pressure on Huff, or really anyone. Doesn’t matter how talented you are, it’s really not fair. It assumes the CB’s are going to lock down the receiver one on one. That’s a dangerous assumption.
May 9th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Great point Rockstar
You cant just plug in 4 new starters and expect to be better than we were last year. It takes time for an OL to gel.
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This is not totally true. Last season we had 2 new starters in LT Veldheer and RT Walker. Gallery missed a few weeks, and Loper performed fairly in replacement. You are jumping to conclusions that Carlisle will be replaced. Satele WILL be replaced, Gallery doesnt want to be here, not a raider decision, and Walker plans to retire, also not a raider decision. Khalif Barnes and Mario Henderson leaving is almost as meaningless to the team as a cloudy day in Japan. Barnes played sparingly as a 3rd tackle/TE and lets be honest, any o lineman with a nickname of qb killer is not someone worth while keeping.
I agree we need to bring in at least 1 more vet to shore up the line, but I dont think its as bad as some of you think.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Huff seemed to finally find his niche in the Raiders’ defense last season, but it’s hard to tell with players in a contract year. Huff and Routt didn’t look like capable NFL starters until it meant a big-time paycheck for them. Have to wonder about guys like that.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
You mean you wonder if they are going to just dog it once they get their contract?
I think in Huff’s case, it took him years to get where he is now. A lot of hard work, and he knows now what he must do to succeed. Fast, athletic guys like that aren’t going to flip the switch off. It’s the fat guys that I worry about in their contract years.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Sure rookie offensive linemen are bound to struggle at one point or another, but if you think another year of Satele – Carlisle – Walker/Henderson on the right side of the line would be a long-term solution for the Raiders, you’re dreaming. Those guys have gotten the Raiders as far as they can go – the line needs new blood, more talent, young players who haven’t already hit their ceiling.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am
I have a hard time blaming Huff for playing with his back to the ball. The whole single safety strategy puts a lot of pressure on Huff, or really anyone. Doesn’t matter how talented you are, it’s really not fair. It assumes the CB’s are going to lock down the receiver one on one. That’s a dangerous assumption.
he sure likes to talk like hes the ish so its fair to say he sucks look at adrian fosters game against us and look at huff miss sideline tackles no reason for poor effort to go unnoticed
May 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Bcz24
maybe I should have elaborated a little more on my post that if these players do not have mini camps or some of training camp is missed due to the lockout and we have 4 new players on the OL this could be a problem.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Lets hope that Barksdale and an emerging Bruce Campbell give the shot in the arm that this OL needs.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:07 am
guest123 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
You mean you wonder if they are going to just dog it once they get their contract?
I think in Huff’s case, it took him years to get where he is now. A lot of hard work, and he knows now what he must do to succeed. Fast, athletic guys like that aren’t going to flip the switch off. It’s the fat guys that I worry about in their contract years.
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I hope you’re right, especially in Routt’s case. It’s rare that it takes a DB a full six seasons to develop. But maybe he finally gets it. We’ll (hopefully) see soon enough.
F*** this lockout.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:08 am
he sure likes to talk like hes the ish so its fair to say he sucks look at adrian fosters game against us and look at huff miss sideline tackles no reason for poor effort to go unnoticed
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game #1 against Tennessee was a bad game for just about every Raider. If you compare his performance in that game and how he played through the year, and Huff made good effort/improved.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am
F*** this lockout.
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agree!
May 9th, 2011 at 10:13 am
It didn’t take Routt 6 seasons to develope it took about 3 it’s just that Raider fans barely noticed. That kid has been playing good football for about 3 years everyon ewas so fixated on Nnamdi until they thought everyone else sucked. That hasn’t been the case for 2-3 years no he has been great but he was a very respectable player. I thought for the most part he was miscaste in the slot I’ve always thought he was better outside than CJ.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:23 am
F*** this lockout.
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agree!
i third that mostion
May 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am
priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 9:39 am
I think this may have been the most prudent offseason and draft Bill belichik has ever had. They not only got Tom Brady’s replacement they got what he knew Tom Brady as well as Ryan Mallet need the most being late in Brady’s career an early in Ryan Malletts. He got a legitimate running game. Out of all the drafts as far as securing a teams future I think they did the best job.
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Heard a post-draft interview with Brady. Brady said he’d play another 10 years. Good luck Mallet. I believe in Brady. Glad we passed on him. All the QB’s taken this year are going to weed out the competition for next years class, with this years class being mostly fools gold.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Brady has about 3 years left and Bill may trade him befor ethen if Mallett is what I think he is. Can you imagine what Brady would bring back in a trade? Once they think Mallett is ready I gaurantee you they’ll trade Brady he can’t play forever it’s better to trade him and get something than to let him play out the string. The NFL is a cold business and Brady will find that out if he slips a couple of notches.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Our Oline is going to be MUCH better this year than last!
Anyone saying otherwise simply has some residual Cable feelings they have yet to reconile.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am
So kobe’s wife cost him t shot at another title by breaking up Gasoft and his woman?
LMFAO!
May 9th, 2011 at 10:40 am
“Anyone saying otherwise simply has some residual Cable feelings they have yet to reconile.
I think anyone saying otherwise simply has common sense and lacks the residual brain resin you seem to have.
We were merely pointing out that with 4 new starters and no mini camps and possibly a watered down training camp due to the Lockout it doesn’t give the new players much time to gel.
Pretty basic stuff there guy.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Brady isn’t going to drop off anytime soon, barring injury. In 3 years, he’ll still be starting at the top of his game, and Mallet’s trade value will have gone up or down by then? Hmmm, I’d say the next 2 QB classes are going to look much better than a 3 year clip-holder QB.
You look at the Patriots draft lately and they have been outsmarting themselves in a rush to get those future picks. They could have had Mark Ingram, but gave him to the Saints on a silver platter. I tell you that they are going to really regret that decision. They draft need over talent, which if you’re strong is “smart” to do. But that team can’t stay strong for long with these depth picks.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:43 am
J Hill Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am
So kobe’s wife cost him t shot at another title by breaking up Gasoft and his woman?
LMFAO!
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Proves yet again that Kobe is a great bballer howerver, he is not a stand up guy…Never has been never will be…
May 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am
I myself am glad the Lakers lost because I am sick of reading about them on this BLOG.
I cant stand basketball I say leave that sport for the women.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Gone is Cable’s walk-thru practices where they do everything in slo-motion. That sssh doesn’t work. In is Hue’s in your face practices. When, if ever, they do get back, that’s a nice change for this team. We saw it last year with Hue, but I think that intensity will ramp up even more.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am
666
May 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Man in sports it happens fast ask Donovan McNabb, no one knows when or how but when it happens it happens fast. But that isn’t the issue if Mallett is what I think he is rather than lose HIM they will ship Brady out faster than he can throw an out route. It’s just the nature of the beast. This is a young man’s game……………period
May 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am
priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Man in sports it happens fast ask Donovan McNabb, no one knows when or how but when it happens it happens fast. But that isn’t the issue if Mallett is what I think he is rather than lose HIM they will ship Brady out faster than he can throw an out route. It’s just the nature of the beast. This is a young man’s game……………period
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Truth…Brady will not be in the league 10 years from now…See Joe Montana…
May 9th, 2011 at 10:53 am
McNabb at his peak was an athletic QB, but now is a tree in the pocket. Also a history of poor decisions when the game was on the line.
Brady is none of that in comparison. He’ll be a Pro-Bowl QB well into 2015 season. Mallet will be lucky to have a job in ‘15.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Well I totally agree about them missing on Ingram but taht Cal kid is no slouch he can flat out ball. And the other kid aint bad either it’s a solid haul.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I agree he won’t be in the league in 10 years. I just said that he said it.
I think he has 4-5 more years, with 3 probowl level years left.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Yeah keep dreaming this league is moving much faster than you think, as I said this is a cruel business ask Montana.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Montana had 2 very good seasons after being dealt to KC. He still had his magic.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am
guest123 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I agree he won’t be in the league in 10 years. I just said that he said it.
I think he has 4-5 more years, with 3 probowl level years left.
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Yeah I heard the same thing, my comment wasnt directed at you Bro…
May 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am
“Yeah keep dreaming this league is moving much faster than you think”
Too bad the labor talks are not moving faster than we think!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Kobe was a great player….keyword WAS…..age gets us all….15 yeard iin nba wearing him down
May 9th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Too bad the labor talks are not moving faster than we think!
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Lawyers get paid by the hour.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:01 am
The moment Satele, Carlisle, and Walker were replaced in the starting lineup, our line got MUCH better.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Montana had one good year and that was 93……94 it was obvious the drunk had to go
May 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Jhill who are our guards? Loper and Campbell isnt going to fly….Need two solid vets there
May 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Kobe is still a great player.
This was all about Paula Gasoft.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Defense still needs a true startin NT……WLb and need another DE
May 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Our OGs are not Gallery and Carlisle which is a great start IMO.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am
It’s possible that Gallery won’t get anywhere near the money he’s looking for. Actually, it’s well known that AD pays better than most – especially for past your prime players. What’s the possibility that Gallery comes to his senses & AD ups his bid a bit and Gallery returns? Not all that far fetched.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Montana had one good year and that was 93……94 it was obvious the drunk had to go
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He still had his magic in 94. I was at the game in Mile-high in Denver on Monday Night when Montana came back and beat Elway. Look that game up. It is on every short list of NFL’s greatest games. (Oct 94).
Montana the magic man.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Walker could be moved inside to Carlisle’s spot if BCampbell isn’t ready yet. I expect Barksdale or MHenderson, assuming he’s still here, to compete for RT.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
I thought it was a given that Gallery was going to join his butt-buddy Cable up in Seattle.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Kobe aint great….he just good now. He isnt a 30 pts na night guy anymore and has trouble hitting shots at the end…..Laker fans in denial as usual
May 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am
I’d like to see what Goethel and Groves do at WLB. If they don’t establish themselves this season, next year The Raiders should look for another option. There weren’t many surefire Day 1 starters at that position in the draft, and there won’t be a whole lot of options in free agency either.
With NT, whoever they bring in would just be a rotational player. I’m hoping for a UDFA. The Raiders have done well with Bryant and Kelly, so maybe Ian Williams could be the heir apparent to John Henderson.
I definitely want to see a free agent brought in at RG or RT, though. Harvey Dahl, Tyson Clabo, Reggie Wells, and Jammal Brown should all get some consideration. I’d like to see a couple UDFAs brought in as depth, too. David Mims, Byron Bell, Zach Hurd, and Justin Boren would be solid options.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:13 am
He had one good moment but JOE was done man…..
May 9th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Did Cable actually get a job up there? I’ve heard the discussion way back when but have not heard that he was actually hired.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:14 am
The Lakers were derolict in getting some athletic players around Kobe and it finally bit ‘em in the butt. You can’t keep asking that guy to win a championship for you. I watched magic johnson on the halftime show talking about how flat the Lakers were. What Magic forgot is the Laker team he played on looked the same way when Michael Jordan came to town with that young quick team and beat them in 5 games and made them look like senior citizens. It happens you get old you have to continue to replenish your roster with young talented players instead of trying to ride the same horse to the finsih year in year out.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Groves sux….goethel is worth the look but can he cover rbs out of backfield?
May 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am
YA
I think Al Davis likes Trevor Scott too much to give the WLB to Goethel/Groves. Possibly a down/distance platoon.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am
I thought it was interesting that Cable drafted two of the top offensive linemen on my pre-draft big board – Carpenter and Moffitt.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am
BJP KOBE HAS TO ACCEPT HE AINT THE MAN ANYMORE…….BUT HE TOO SELFISH DO TAKE A REDUCED ROLES
May 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
What about Capt. Kirk (Morrision) URFA competing for WLB. We know he can tackle and cover. That’s where he belonged all along. Might be a good option.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Did Cable actually get a job up there? I’ve heard the discussion way back when but have not heard that he was actually hired.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/18/tom-cable-lands-in-seattle/
May 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am
get get a couple of shooters and another superstar to go with Kobe to take the pressure off him late in games
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Laker fans don’t want the pressure on Kobe when it counts?
LOL!
nice backhanded compliment to KB, TJ
the Fake Show would be better off trading Bryant while he still has pretty good value and keeping Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Artest, Fisher, etc.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:19 am
JB Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
What about Capt. Kirk (Morrision) URFA competing for WLB. We know he can tackle and cover. That’s where he belonged all along. Might be a good option.
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I’d not be against it if he can push Ricky Brown off the roster.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:19 am
JacobyFord12 Jacoby Ford
Headed to workout and get better!!
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lol
May 9th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Trevor scott i like but he wont be 100 pct this year….its an acl injury
May 9th, 2011 at 11:20 am
People like “Guest123″ will defend sports owners no matter how much they’ve ripped him off through the years.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Groves was much better at the end of the year at OLB. It was his first year playing LB. I think he’ll be better this year.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:20 am
# guest123 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am
YA
I think Al Davis likes Trevor Scott too much to give the WLB to Goethel/Groves. Possibly a down/distance platoon.
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Hopefully Scott makes a full recovery from his ACL injury. Good option as a situational pass rusher.
I thought Groves looked better as the season went on. Considering he only started playing OLB in his final year with Jacksonville, and even then was only used as a reserve player, it’s entirely possible that he can get better.
I think Goethel is their guy, though. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him be the Day 1 starter. Just a shame that he’ll miss out on valuable time to develop at the position in the offseason.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Fisher to the morgue….he done
May 9th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Guest123, you are a dumb ass. It’s Al Davis who believes in easy practices. It’s something he and Shanahan clashed over. The reason Shanahan uses high tempo offenses against the Raiders is because he knows they don’t practice hard, and that they’ll be sucking wind by the second quarter. That’s why his winning percentage against the Raiders is somewhere around .900.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:24 am
LOL @ the Kobe propaganda.
Yeah, he’s done.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:25 am
That’s also why Gruden put us to sleep with short plays in the Super Bowl. After he left Raider players called their training camp “camp wuss”. You don’t think that got back to him? He knew that now that he was gone, the Raiders weren’t practicing. Sure, Gannon would have the offense working, but Gannon can’t do anything about the defense. Gruden just put us to sleep with short players, had our defense running sideline to sideline instead of vertically. They were gassed by half time.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:26 am
You must have a monday morning hangover. Man that is a bleak forecast.
Totally disagree with you about the O-line continuity thing. Cable’s weak ZBS is out the door. The guys that are coming in are going to be in the power blocking system. And I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think we could resign Mario Henderson back
I hear Jason Campbell is getting the boys together for drills and workouts
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G123,
#1 – I don’t drink. Haven’t even had a beer in like 5 or 6 years
#2 – You’re welcome to think that continuity means nothing for an O-Line. new coaches + new players + shortened offseason = trouble. Give me the name of 1 other team in the NFL with a brand new HC, new OL coaches and 4 new starters on the O-Line projected to make a playoff run. You can’t do it bro. Sorry. And as for Mario Henderson being re-signed, I would rate him WORSE than Walker & Barnes as a player … plus the dude got arrested this offseason.
#3 – Gotta link to what you stated about JCamp & crew?
May 9th, 2011 at 11:26 am
“short plays”, not “short players”
May 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am
People like “Guest123″ will defend sports owners no matter how much they’ve ripped him off through the years.
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Not true. I just want my football fix back. The fight between the owners and the players is like pacquiao vs mosley last Saturday Night. mosley (players) just triffling through the fight knowing that they have no shot in hell of winning, just trying not to get knocked out. pacquiao (owners) loading up the KO punch, but can’t get it in. Makes for a boring fight. That’s not un-like the current stalemate between the players and owners.
I just want this lock-out to end. I am going to choose whichever party I think is the strongest and hope they can bust the other side. In this case, I side with the owners out of convenience.
I just want my damn football back!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:29 am
I’d lay 3-1 odds on Goethel that kid is so natural in his drops his instincts and coverage and physicality until I wonder just how in the hell he lasted until the 6th rnd it boggles my mind sometimes how that happens. But he was a bigger find than Chaz I think he has as much ability as Rod Martin of yesteryear. He will be a starter for this team for the next several years.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Will Kobe be great next year when Dwight Howard comes to the Lakers?
May 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Guest, that’s a clever analogy. Just keep forking your money over to the owners and defending them. they love people like you.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Bauce if you notice they wont let him take a reduced role because Odon wont step up Gasol is soft as hell and Bynum is not quite ready. Kobe would welcome a reduced role if tehy had gotten Mello you’d see him acquiesgue. But he can’t afford to.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:32 am
G123,
#1 – I don’t drink. Haven’t even had a beer in like 5 or 6 years
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Good for you! Don’t take what I was saying literally. j/k.
#2 – You’re welcome to think that continuity means nothing for an O-Line. new coaches + new players + shortened offseason = trouble. Give me the name of 1 other team in the NFL with a brand new HC, new OL coaches and 4 new starters on the O-Line projected to make a playoff run. You can’t do it bro. Sorry. And as for Mario Henderson being re-signed, I would rate him WORSE than Walker & Barnes as a player … plus the dude got arrested this offseason.
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I am glad that Barnes and Walker are done. It’s an upgrade by default. However, I think that Henderson provides some depth/continuity. He can stabilize the line until a better FA OL can come in and push him. But we can’t have that many new faces on our opening day OL.
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#3 – Gotta link to what you stated about JCamp & crew?
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/5/9/2160179/2011-nfl-lockout-oakland-raiders-are-working-out
May 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am
If they get Howard and a legit PG you’ll see Kobe take a step back but with these guys he simply cannot.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Guest123 is a homer. Don’t waste your time. He’s accusing fans with questions of being gloom. He’s defending the owners in the contract dispute. What more could he do other than tea bag Al’s old grey sack?
May 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am
This is not totally true. Last season we had 2 new starters in LT Veldheer and RT Walker. Gallery missed a few weeks, and Loper performed fairly in replacement.
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BCZ,
Langston Walker has played RT all but 1 year since we drafted him in 2002. He was a Raider last year, even though he played guard
Veldheer allowed 7.5 sacks, with 8 false starts & 5 holds and he didn’t start at LT until Week 7 at Denver (the jury is still out. It’s not like he had a rookie season that made other teams worried)
Loper had 5 years of NFL experience before he came to Oakland. He only started 4 games last year and gave up 2 sacks … Gallery only gave up 2 sacks in 12 starts!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am
RAIDER
In case you have not heard the players got 60% of the pie last year compared to the owners 40%.
So I would guess we are forking over the majority of our money to the players bloated salaries.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Fisher’s going to the Kings. Kings have most cap space in the league. Maloofs are going to get their arena now so they’re going to spend again like when they first got here. Kings are back. They’ll be a top tier team next year, and the Lakers won’t have Phil and Shaq this time around. Purple reign 2012.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am
I think you guys are way too dismissal of the players that are here and are our FA’s these rookies are good players from what I’ve seen of them I really likke barksdale but don’t sell Henderson and barnes so short. That is good vet talent that will prove to be very helpful asd the season wears on. You need guys that have DONE IT!!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am
G123,
I have a hard time taking any article from silverandblackpride.com seriously.
that site is going to be biased, wouldn’t you think?
That’s like asking Al Davis for an honest evaluation of DHB!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am
666, players do not get 60% of all profits. Nice skew job there, minion.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Steve Smith’s contract has two years remaining: $7 million in 2011 and $7.75 million in 2012.
Are we really talking about him as a Raider, having to give up at least the 3rd round pick on top of all that for a 32 year old dude who is 3 years removed from his last probowl.
When we likely already have a younger version of him in Jacoby Ford?
No way Smith is a Raider.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Even if Henderson and Barnes were any good, they don’t seem interested in coming back to a team that either considers them reserves, or has already drafted their replacements.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Guest123 referred to an article at a site called silver and black pride.com to back up his point? HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:45 am
I am not taking sides I am just pointing out that if they cant find a way to divide a 9 Billion dollar pie then greed and ego must be involved.
The fact that we the tax payers are now footing the bill for this to be decided on a court of law is a big slap in the face to us loyal fans.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Hopefully Scott makes a full recovery from his ACL injury. Good option as a situational pass rusher.
I thought Groves looked better as the season went on. Considering he only started playing OLB in his final year with Jacksonville, and even then was only used as a reserve player, it’s entirely possible that he can get better.
I think Goethel is their guy, though. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him be the Day 1 starter. Just a shame that he’ll miss out on valuable time to develop at the position in the offseason
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YA has the WLB position down pat. If you need advice about it, ask him.
Casey Matthews would have been a wasted pick. Print That!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:46 am
666, you’re trying to skew numbers to make the owners look like the victims. You’re a useful idiot. Just keep forking your money over to them and defending them. They might give you a free t shirt in the end.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:46 am
RAIDER Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am
666, players do not get 60% of all profits. Nice skew job there, minion.
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Open your eyes and read the truth:
Last year
$9 billion total
$4.2 billion to owners ($1 billion plus 40% of the remaining $8 billion)
$4.8 billion to players (60% of the $8 billion)
Owner’s proposal
$9 billion total
$5.7 billion to owners ($2.4 billion plus 50% of the remaining $6.6 billion)
$3.3 billion to players (50% of the $6.6 billion)
May 9th, 2011 at 11:46 am
“666, players do not get 60% of all profits. Nice skew job there, minion.”
Ok little Einstein then show us exactly how the pie was divided if you know so much!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Steve Smith’s contract has two years remaining: $7 million in 2011 and $7.75 million in 2012.
Are we really talking about him as a Raider, having to give up at least the 3rd round pick on top of all that for a 32 year old dude who is 3 years removed from his last probowl.
When we likely already have a younger version of him in Jacoby Ford?
No way Smith is a Raider.
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G123 and I agree on this. well written. Co-Signed and receives the RRS stamp of approval
May 9th, 2011 at 11:47 am
What makes you think they aren’t interested? where did you read that? who has said the team considers them reserves and the players they drafted are rookies. If you’re afraid to compete with a rookie I don’t want you. Which I don’t think they are this is a very compettitive business going elsewhere gaurantees them nothing.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am
666, the owners imposed this lockout. That’s the reason this is in court. That’s the reason this is “dragging on”. The players are locked out. This wasn’t their decision. Enjoy your free Raider’s t shirt, or whatever your reward will be for defending wealthy businessmen who rip you off year after year.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Even if Henderson and Barnes were any good, they don’t seem interested in coming back to a team that either considers them reserves, or has already drafted their replacements
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If YA is shooting free throws, so far he’s 2 for 2!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
why are you so angry little guy, I got my numbers from ProFootballTalk not from my feeble minded skull like you.
You are such a big man with such great football knowledge then show us minions your BIG BRAIN!
Show us the real numbers smart guy!
May 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Guest, those are not the total profits. Those numbers were put together by ownership. The owners haven’t even shown the books. You want us to believe the owners made said amount of money just because they said so? No, I’m not stupid like you.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:50 am
profootballtalk.com. lol.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Yeah, let’s refer to the sports media. We know they’re not biased. lol. Especially a site called profootballtalk.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:53 am
I am not taking sides if you were actually smart enough to read you would have seen what I wrote.
9 Billion dollars should not be a problem to divide between sides unless greed and ego are involved.
Instead of solving it themselves they are using our tax dollars to have a court of law decide it for them.
Both sides are taking your tax dollars smart guy.
By me explaining that to you….you somehow twist it into I am taking sides.
Again try reading first before reacting and you wont sound so feeble minded and child like in your blog tantrums.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:54 am
# priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 11:47 am
What makes you think they aren’t interested? where did you read that? who has said the team considers them reserves and the players they drafted are rookies. If you’re afraid to compete with a rookie I don’t want you. Which I don’t think they are this is a very compettitive business going elsewhere gaurantees them nothing.
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We’ve been over this, Priest. Corkran reported that Barnes and Henderson had received offers but turned them down. Barnes has been a reserve for the past two seasons – according to Corkran he doesn’t seem himself has being a swing tackle and 3rd TE.
There’s a chance that, if Henderson received an RFA tender, he’ll sign it once a CBA is reached. I’ve seen nothing from Henderson that would lead me to believe he’s a starting-caliber player, and if Hue does continue to shift the scheme towards power-blocking, Henderson is a questionable fit at best.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Wow, you just spew anger without any logic tied to it.
Please explain why PFT would take sides in this labor dispute and I might listen to your next uneducated, angry, non fact based rant.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:56 am
LOL. This is about tax dollars with you? This pales in comparison to what tax payers spend on stadiums. You are a joke, 666.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:58 am
You are an even bigger idiot than I thought if I have to explain to you just what interest the sports media has in protecting the owners. I don’t have time to argue with a kid who doesn’t know how the world works. So we’re going to be cutting this off pretty soon.
May 9th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Sure rookie offensive linemen are bound to struggle at one point or another, but if you think another year of Satele – Carlisle – Walker/Henderson on the right side of the line would be a long-term solution for the Raiders, you’re dreaming. Those guys have gotten the Raiders as far as they can go – the line needs new blood, more talent, young players who haven’t already hit their ceiling.
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YA,
I get what you’re saying. This is the best argument anybody has presented regarding the O-Line. nice work.
The Raiders were 8-8 last year and Tom Cable was fired. We all know that and despite what other personal issues TC may have had, we all know that the only thing that matters to Al Davis is wins & losses. 2 or 3 more wins last year and Cable would have received a contract extension and Davis would have compared the guy to John Madden. Those early losses to Arizona, Houston & San Fran were too much to overcome.
How does this relate to the O-Line, well when you introduce new players and expect some struggle up front, that affects your W/L column. Hue Jackson has to get to 9-7 or better this season imo to impress Coach Davis. He’s taking a playoff bound team and if he goes 8-8 and losses a bunch of AFC West games he could be toast after 1 season. Davis gives a new HC about 2 years to be making noise in the playoffs and young players don’t usually grow up until Year #3 or 4
OL Coaches are important, too. For all we know Wylie & Wiz could be the next Slater & Eatman. Do you guys remember what the OL looked like and played like before Tom Cable showed up? I do, and it wasn’t pretty
May 9th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Ok so now that tax payers spend millions on stadiums its quite fine digging into their pockets for more money to solve a Billionaire vs Millionaire ego battle?
Where did you go to school?
Is this the NEW MATH they have been teaching?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
lol. Goodbye, 666 and Guest. I hope you two get nice gifts for defending the wealthiest, and clearly the most dishonest party in this dispute. Hopefully a couple of coffee mugs and t shirt. Good day.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
” I don’t have time to argue with a kid who doesn’t know how the world works. So we’re going to be cutting this off pretty soon.”
Meaning:
I have no factual based information by which to base my argument so I am giving up because I also do not have the IQ to comprehend what was actually said.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Is this the NEW MATH they have been teaching?
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It’s called “mental math”. And they teach it in school these days to 3rd graders.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Kobe Bryant’s wife played a hand in breaking up Gasol and his girlfriend so Gasol went into a funk….
….lol….oh well….jezuz
May 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
For the rest of the people om this blog:
I am not taking sides I am merely pointing out how messed up it is that this labor dispute has gone to the courts to be resolved.
I think we can all agree on that.
Next topic the OL…..
May 9th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Kobe Bryant’s wife played a hand in breaking up Gasol and his girlfriend so Gasol went into a funk
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sounds like drama & excuses. Laker bball at it’s finest
maybe Dennis Rodman will replace Phil Jackson as HC next season?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
YA you’ve seen nothing from Henderson? he started here and played fairly well he’s just not a ZBS player. Look we are talking about rookies and most of you guys seem to think that a rookie who you haven’t seen is better than a vet. It’s kind a mindset in here that the rookie will be better than the guy I don’t like. Look Henderson has shown that he can play yes he had some struggles but the kid can play. Put him at RT and let him settle in and he can play there. You guys have to be kiddin’ thinking Barksdale is automatically better than Mario. Get a clue! it aint that easy.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Every year, when free agency starts, there are few teams that make those midnight signings. The $100 million contracts, the big wheels. Then after a few weeks the bargains start to come off the shelves. These are the $1 and $2 million/year vets.
This year, when they finally decide to play under the umbrella of the 2010 CBA as a stopgap (I’m guessing about mid july), there is going to be a FA feeding frenzy. A bidding war. Free agency is not going to have any bargains this year.
And whoever wins FA this year, has a huge advantage to making the playoffs. (Just my hunch)
May 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
RRS,
I definitely get what you’re saying, and I agree that it’s going to be an uphill battle to get back to 8-8, not only because of the rookie linemen, but because a few established veterans are likely to leave in free agency.
It’s unfortunate, but the Raiders have no control over Gallery wanting out or Walker wanting to retire. Best case scenario, the Raiders could convince Walker to come back for a season. Not sure how likely that is, but it would give the Raiders a fallback option if Barksdale takes a little longer to develop into a starter. He won’t break the back, and he’s better suited for power-blocking than Henderson.
I think the key is going to be how quickly Wiz 2.0 learns his role at the NFL level. If he’s as smart as he’s purported to be, he could have a Mike Pouncey-like effect on the Raiders’ line play. That remains to be seen, though, and you’re right, the lack of a training camp is a huge concern in this respect.
I think either way, the Raiders are going to have their fair share of struggles this season. I’d like to say 10-6 is possible, but without a training camp it’s impossible to tell. I can only hope Hue manages to get back to 8-8, and Al has a little more patience than he’s had in past years.
Personally, I don’t think this team is a playoff-caliber team yet. In another year, maybe, but free agency and the lockout are definitely going to take a toll on this young team.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
755.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Kobe Bryant’s wife played a hand in breaking up Gasol and his girlfriend so Gasol went into a funk
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sounds like drama & excuses. Laker bball at it’s finest
maybe Dennis Rodman will replace Phil Jackson as HC next season?
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Drama & excuses? For what, the 16 championships?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Look Henderson has shown that he can play yes he had some struggles but the kid can play. Put him at RT and let him settle in and he can play there. You guys have to be kiddin’ thinking Barksdale is automatically better than Mario. Get a clue! it aint that easy.
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agree Priesttj
Mario is better than a promising rook, and I don’t care if that rook was a first rounder. He still has to learn via the school of hard knocks.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
TJ,
if Barksdale isn’t better than Mario, he’s a bust.
MH doesn’t play with fire or aggression. Poor motor & motivation. The kid might still have some upside or potential, but he hasn’t shown anything to prove he deserves another contract offer or RFA tender
99 percent sure this kid is out of the league by 2013
May 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
RR well we’ll have to disagree the kid manned the LT spot against some great DE’s and faired well you seem to forget that. He and Veldheer battled and I think Cable just liked Veldheer more. With this system change you don’t know what will happen until YOU SEE IT!!!………period
May 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Henderson has not played well. First of all, if anything he’s a ZBS guy. Long and lean, an “athletic”-type player. Problem is he’s not aggressive enough to excel as a run blocker, and doesn’t move around in space well enough to be an effective pass blocker.
If Henderson wants to come back on the cheap and legitimately compete for a job at RT, knowing full well that he might be relegated to a backup role once again, then sure. But the Raiders would serve themselves better to look for a better player in free agency, and one who fits the system better than Henderson.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
TJ,
if Barksdale isn’t better than Mario, he’s a bust.
MH doesn’t play with fire or aggression. Poor motor & motivation. The kid might still have some upside or potential, but he hasn’t shown anything to prove he deserves another contract offer or RFA tender
99 percent sure this kid is out of the league by 2013
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On the right side or at OG i think that Henderson can be a very effective player….he has the tools to do so
May 9th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
No NBA and no NFL for the foreseeable future….damn….baseball is unwatchable on TV….hmmmmm….2&1/2 Men gone….troubled times indeed.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
You guys are going to be pleasantly surprised by that “kid” Barksdale. That’ kid” can play.
I’ve been watching coach’s tape of that “kid” since he was 10 years old.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
It’s just a mindset with you guys that think give me the new flavor I’m tired of the old one. The raiders added depth these kids have to get to camp and PROVE on the practice field they should start. just because they’re fresh faces doesn’t mean a damn thing. The vets have played in this league and know how to block certain players and are much more ready to get the job done.
This reminds me of all the clamoring for Veldheer at C last year. Anything new you guys are all over their jocks
May 9th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Keep in mind, Henderson was the guy that nearly got Jason Campbell killed in the preseason.
He was given the starting job because Cable wanted to see Veldheer at center, and it was thought that coming from a Div II school Veldheer would be too raw to face elite pass rushers.
Veldheer was eventually given the starting LT job because Henderson continued to struggle.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Henderson has not played well. First of all, if anything he’s a ZBS guy. Long and lean, an “athletic”-type player. Problem is he’s not aggressive enough to excel as a run blocker, and doesn’t move around in space well enough to be an effective pass blocker.
If Henderson wants to come back on the cheap and legitimately compete for a job at RT, knowing full well that he might be relegated to a backup role once again, then sure. But the Raiders would serve themselves better to look for a better player in free agency, and one who fits the system better than Henderson.
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How can u say that he is a ZBS guy and is “athletic” and then follow that up by saying that he doesnt move in space well??? He is not quick off of the edge against speed rushers but he moves in space very well and was an effective blocker in the run game. He would a quality starter at best and a very good back up at worst if we brought him back. Id like to give him a shot at RT or at either guard position that Bruce isn’t manning.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Your leader has arrived!!! JC and seymore organizing team practices, & JC has been working out & throwing to raider wrs’ for a while already!! You have to love this dude. The boys in silver & black are 100% behind JC! They follow his lead! Outstanding, a true pro putting in the extra work. This can only help when football comes back. he will have a level of comfort and camaraderie that we havnt had here since the eighties. before any one mentions the wildly overrated gannon, please remember that he was despised in the locker room. JC is leading 7 his team mates respect him & enjoy having him there!
What planet am i on? The raiders have a great qb, and coaches and owner are all pulling in the same direction?!?!?!?
Buckle your seat belts kids we are heading for the playoffs!!!!
May 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
YA you don’t have a clue how he fits the system you barely know how to type. Wait aand let the coaches tell us how well Henderson fits. And last of all I’ve seen henderson many time sin street clothes and up close in uni HE AINT LONG AND LEAN. Henderson played too heavy last year he was at maybe 350………….period
May 9th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
There is no such thing as a 4th round bust.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
The NFL asking the World Anti-Doping Agency to run its drug testing program? Nice….but does the NFL really want the playes to shrink by 20%? Wouldn’t that be bad for business?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
How can u say that he is a ZBS guy and is “athletic” and then follow that up by saying that he doesnt move in space well??? He is not quick off of the edge against speed rushers but he moves in space very well and was an effective blocker in the run game. He would a quality starter at best and a very good back up at worst if we brought him back. Id like to give him a shot at RT or at either guard position that Bruce isn’t manning.
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That’s why “athletic” is in quotation marks.
He does not move well in space. In truth, there is no single aspect of his game that he is consistent at.
He was not a solid run-blocker on either side of the offensive line.
He’d be an average back-up and sub-par starter, best case scenario. The Raiders would be better off talking Walker into coming back than re-signing Henderson. Even Barnes brings more to the table than Mario does.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
“The raiders have a great qb”
Too funny….is this a comedy club?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
A.J. Hawk hears player-organized workouts are a “disaster”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/09/a-j-hawk-hears-player-organized-workouts-are-a-disaster/
May 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
It’s just a mindset with you guys that think give me the new flavor I’m tired of the old one. The raiders added depth these kids have to get to camp and PROVE on the practice field they should start. just because they’re fresh faces doesn’t mean a damn thing. The vets have played in this league and know how to block certain players and are much more ready to get the job done.
This reminds me of all the clamoring for Veldheer at C last year. Anything new you guys are all over their jocks
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I warned people that Veldher wasn’t our best center…i pointed out how much more effective our screen game was with Satele in the middle and him on the outside…week 1 validated all that i had been saying
May 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
YA you don’t have a clue how he fits the system you barely know how to type. Wait aand let the coaches tell us how well Henderson fits. And last of all I’ve seen henderson many time sin street clothes and up close in uni HE AINT LONG AND LEAN. Henderson played too heavy last year he was at maybe 350………….period
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You’re telling me I barely know how to type after the grammar abortion above? Laughable.
Henderson is listed at 6′7, 300 pounds.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Your leader has arrived!!! JC and seymore organizing team practices, & JC has been working out & throwing to raider wrs’ for a while already!! You have to love this dude.
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Link?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Dakota, you are killing me today.
No more Lakers.
No more Two and a Half Men.
At least you still have your dignity,
May 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
I don’t give a dam what he’s lised as, if you go by that you are clueless taht stuff doesn’t mena a thing. Hendu is at least 330+ and that is a fact. He played too heavy last year and he admitted as much.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Hendu is at least 330+ and that is a fact.
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Link?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
I don’t give a dam what he’s lised as, if you go by that you are clueless taht stuff doesn’t mena a thing. Hendu is at least 330+ and that is a fact. He played too heavy last year and he admitted as much.
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Going by your theory, if he loses those 30 pounds (since he was allegedly “playing too heavy”) wouldn’t it make him long and lean?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
That’s why “athletic” is in quotation marks.
He does not move well in space. In truth, there is no single aspect of his game that he is consistent at.
He was not a solid run-blocker on either side of the offensive line.
He’d be an average back-up and sub-par starter, best case scenario. The Raiders would be better off talking Walker into coming back than re-signing Henderson. Even Barnes brings more to the table than Mario does.
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You either are not watching the games, have a grudge against Mario, or you are lying. He moves very well in space and was a solid run blocker. In some instaces he is a solid pass blocker, having his most trouble with speed rushers and 3-4 OLB. He would be a very good back up, and if given a chance to compete, could earn a spot at either RT or guard
May 9th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
2011 NFL Lockout: Oakland Raiders Are Working Out!!!!
May 9th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Just last week I posted that the Oakland Raiders were falling behind other teams during the 2011 NFL Lockout, because they were not working out. I wasn’t going to let myself get down on the Raiders about it as it was early in the lockout process etc., but it was hard not to be worried. Also, it was hard not to be slightly offended. Football is these guys’ profession, and I go out and throw the ball with my bros in patches of grass where we can find them, and we are only practicing for lame flag football leagues. We do it for free and we do it because we love football.
Well, then NFLanalyzer then posted a link to Jason Campbell’s twitter, and helped point out my negligent reporting in the process.
So, I decided to check out the Twitter-verse myself. I probably should have checked there before posting in the first place. I started with Campbell, and lo and behold someone had linked and put the title my blog “The Raiders are Falling Behind” on Jason Campbell’s page. To which Campbell had an answer.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
raiders aren’t behind, I was throwing with some my wry weeks ago, and no tv or paper had to know. We know, all that matters.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Now the thing I wanted to see most was Campbell working with his receivers—except for Chaz who I think we can all agree just needs to stay as far away from injuries as possible. And lo and behold there was Jason Campbell throwing with DHB and Little Blue Pills Murphy. Someone asked Campbell where 81 (Schilens) was and Campbell answered:
81 is doing great and getting healthy to have a great season
Translation: We don’t want Dr. Glass anywhere near this field:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I love this pic! This is what I do with my bros (and I’m sure many of you do to) on fields that look like this! Well not exactly like this. Where the hell does Jason Campbell live. Look in the background. They had to hurry this workout along, because Harry Potter had this field scheduled for a quidditch match at 3.
Anyway, I was beginning to feel better about things. But what’s up with the rest of the dudes, and why wasn’t Jacoby Ford out there? So, I went to Jacoby Ford’s page. Jacoby tweets enough about working out, and he and Campbell exchanged a couple of tweets, but so far it appears he is working with other players like Pierre Garcon.
Campbell also seems to be staying in touch with Darren McFadden and Michael Bush, and it sounds like if the lockout finds a more permanent label this week then there will be more of a team wide workout. Campbell:
me and sey [Seymour] already organizing workout schedule as a team.
So Raiders, you are off the hook! For now. But if this lockout persists I am going to be crawling around Twitter to make sure y’all get something more organized together. All of these guys need to start working with each other—especially the offensive line!
May 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I think I’d rather have Walker back for another year, rather than Mario.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Severe I agree with the OG thought very much in fact I said so a few weeks ago that I think he would be very good at R or LG if he doesn’t cut it at RT. These guys always want to throw away players who can help us just because we drafted somebody. It’s stupid!!
Henderson can help us a lot so can Barnes you don’t turn up your nose at players because the new guy seems to have some talent.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
You either are not watching the games, have a grudge against Mario, or you are lying. He moves very well in space and was a solid run blocker. In some instaces he is a solid pass blocker, having his most trouble with speed rushers and 3-4 OLB. He would be a very good back up, and if given a chance to compete, could earn a spot at either RT or guard
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I have watched every game. There’s a reason Henderson only resurfaced in the starting lineup after Walker got injured. The Raiders’ running game was undeniably better with Veldheer at LT instead of Mario.
Average back-up. Sub-par starter. I don’t see a 6′7, 300 pound kid who is a poor run blocker being a fit at OG in scheme that will focus on power blocking.
Regardless, he doesn’t seem interested in coming back and is a questionable system fit.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
# KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I think I’d rather have Walker back for another year, rather than Mario.
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Yep.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
YA let the coaches who coach the system tell us who is a system fit. YOU AINT QUALIFIED!!!!
May 9th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 10:07 am
guest123 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
You mean you wonder if they are going to just dog it once they get their contract?
I think in Huff’s case, it took him years to get where he is now. A lot of hard work, and he knows now what he must do to succeed. Fast, athletic guys like that aren’t going to flip the switch off. It’s the fat guys that I worry about in their contract years.
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I hope you’re right, especially in Routt’s case. It’s rare that it takes a DB a full six seasons to develop. But maybe he finally gets it. We’ll (hopefully) see soon enough.
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Routt was never given the opportunity to start full time on the outside until this year. Period. Playing a slot is not the same position as covering a a wideout.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Henderson can help us a lot so can Barnes you don’t turn up your nose at players because the new guy seems to have some talent.
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Has nothing to do with the new guy. It has everything to do with Henderson being a sub-par player, and Barnes being a swing tackle at best.
Why re-sign players who are proven to be less than adequate when Jammal Brown, Tyson Clabo, and Nick Kaczur will be available? Especially when Henderson and Barnes are hesitant to come back to Oakland?
May 9th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Henderson will sign a 1 year deal with us when he realizes there is no market for Turnstyle tackles with legal issues.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Has nothing to do with the new guy. It has everything to do with Henderson being a sub-par player, and Barnes being a swing tackle at best.
Why re-sign players who are proven to be less than adequate when Jammal Brown, Tyson Clabo, and Nick Kaczur will be available? Especially when Henderson and Barnes are hesitant to come back to Oakland?
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Truth.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Lmao at anyone that uses what any player in any sport is “listed” at to determine their weight.
May 9th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Lmao at anyone that uses what any player in any sport is “listed” at to determine their weight.
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Unless you’re standing at the scale with him, what are you supposed to do?
May 9th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Unless you’re standing at the scale with him, what are you supposed to do?
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Moreover, if Mario added 15-20+ pounds of pure muscle, wouldn’t he want it reflected on the Raiders website, NFL.com, HIS OWN WEBSITE, etc.?
So assuming that he’s just too heavy, what do you want? Do you want to re-sign a guy who isn’t in shape? Or do you want him to lose that alleged weight and get back down to his listed weight (which is the same weight as Samson Satele, except Henderson is about five inches taller)?
Don’t get how Henderson being heavier that 300 is supposed to be an argument in his favor, especially when his play has been terribly inconsistent no matter what his weight allegedly is.
May 9th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
You either are not watching the games, have a grudge against Mario, or you are lying. He moves very well in space and was a solid run blocker. In some instaces he is a solid pass blocker, having his most trouble with speed rushers and 3-4 OLB. He would be a very good back up, and if given a chance to compete, could earn a spot at either RT or guard
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I have watched every game. There’s a reason Henderson only resurfaced in the starting lineup after Walker got injured. The Raiders’ running game was undeniably better with Veldheer at LT instead of Mario.
Average back-up. Sub-par starter. I don’t see a 6′7, 300 pound kid who is a poor run blocker being a fit at OG in scheme that will focus on power blocking.
Regardless, he doesn’t seem interested in coming back and is a questionable system fit.
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Mario isnt a system fit (false), but Veldheer is??? Veldheer is 6′8″ 315 and gets out leveraged by smaller guys consistently. He also struggles against speed rushers, doesn’t consistently get to the second level, and is too often found blocking grass. In just 11 starts he managed to give up 10 sacks!!! He is a rookie so his problems are correctable, but are glaring.
May 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Unless you’re standing at the scale with him, what are you supposed to do?
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Moreover, if Mario added 15-20+ pounds of pure muscle, wouldn’t he want it reflected on the Raiders website, NFL.com, HIS OWN WEBSITE, etc.?
So assuming that he’s just too heavy, what do you want? Do you want to re-sign a guy who isn’t in shape? Or do you want him to lose that alleged weight and get back down to his listed weight (which is the same weight as Samson Satele, except Henderson is about five inches taller)?
Don’t get how Henderson being heavier that 300 is supposed to be an argument in his favor, especially when his play has been terribly inconsistent no matter what his weight allegedly is.
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Players list players at lower weights and taller heights consistently. Tommy Kelly admitted that he played heavier than at his listed weight. Andre Smith is listed at only 340. Teams manipulate these numbers just how they manipulate the results of physicals
May 9th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Mario isnt a system fit (false), but Veldheer is??? Veldheer is 6′8″ 315 and gets out leveraged by smaller guys consistently. He also struggles against speed rushers, doesn’t consistently get to the second level, and is too often found blocking grass. In just 11 starts he managed to give up 10 sacks!!! He is a rookie so his problems are correctable, but are glaring.
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Well, the rookie outweighs Henderson by 15 pounds. And he’s just a rookie, coming out of a Div II school, who seemed to get better over the course of every game he played in. Yes, he struggled at times, there’s no doubt about that. But Veldheer earned another crack at the LT job by outperforming Henderson in spite of being thrown into the fire as an inexperienced small-school project player.
Regardless, this isn’t about Veldheer. Veldheer is under contract, and presumably has the starting LT job locked up for now.
This is about RE-SIGNING a player who hasn’t shown the ability to be a consistent, starting-caliber player after four seasons in the league.
May 9th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
couldnt find a link to what i said about tomy kelly so just disregard that part
May 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Well, the rookie outweighs Henderson by 15 pounds. And he’s just a rookie, coming out of a Div II school, who seemed to get better over the course of every game he played in. Yes, he struggled at times, there’s no doubt about that. But Veldheer earned another crack at the LT job by outperforming Henderson in spite of being thrown into the fire as an inexperienced small-school project player.
Regardless, this isn’t about Veldheer. Veldheer is under contract, and presumably has the starting LT job locked up for now.
This is about RE-SIGNING a player who hasn’t shown the ability to be a consistent, starting-caliber player after four seasons in the league.
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He outweighs him by 15lbs but is more than an inch taller so the difference is negligible. Mario’s problem was never in the run game it was in pass protection. he gave up 9.5 sacks in 15 starts in 2009, which everyone thought was terrible. Veldheer gave up a 1/2 sack more in 4 less starts last season. Bringing him back if for nothing more than to be an experienced back up would be wise. We will have enough new starters on our OL i think a veteran presence who has some experience in the scheme that will be running would be wise. Blocking concepts wont be exactly the same but a lot of what Hue the OC did will be done under Hue the HC.
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