Draft picks issued numbers
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, May 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Ordinarily, the Raiders rookie draft picks have already had their first minicamp or be preparing for their first one.
Not so in the year of the lockout, where there apparently will be no ruling today on the stay which put the work stoppage back in place after about a day of the NFL being open for business.
For what it’s worth, rookie draft picks have been assigned numbers according to the team roster on Raiders.com. They are as follows:
72 Joe Barksdale
35 CB Chemdi Chekwa
82 TE Richard Gordon
86 WR David Ausberry
17 WR Denarius Moore
38 CB DeMarcus Van Dyke
61 C Stefen Wisniewski
Wisniewski wore No. 61 in college at Penn State.
No. 76, the number worn by Steffen’s uncle, Steve Wisniewski, will become available once Robert Gallery moves on.
But while Steffen said he welcomed having to live up to the legacy of his uncle, the plan didn’t include wearing his uniform number.
“I don’t think I can take that one, no. That’s his number. I’ll find my own,” Wisniewski said.
Actually, it’s not his number. The Raiders don’t retire uniform numbers.
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May 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
#1
May 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Raider NATION….
May 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
what about Jones????
May 9th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Unless you’re standing at the scale with him, what are you supposed to do?
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Moreover, if Mario added 15-20+ pounds of pure muscle, wouldn’t he want it reflected on the Raiders website, NFL.com, HIS OWN WEBSITE, etc.?
So assuming that he’s just too heavy, what do you want? Do you want to re-sign a guy who isn’t in shape? Or do you want him to lose that alleged weight and get back down to his listed weight (which is the same weight as Samson Satele, except Henderson is about five inches taller)?
Don’t get how Henderson being heavier that 300 is supposed to be an argument in his favor, especially when his play has been terribly inconsistent no matter what his weight allegedly is.
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Teams list players at lower weights and taller heights consistently. Andre Smith is listed at only 340, seriously!? Teams manipulate these numbers just how they manipulate the results of physicals
May 9th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Mario isnt a system fit (false), but Veldheer is??? Veldheer is 6′8″ 315 and gets out leveraged by smaller guys consistently. He also struggles against speed rushers, doesn’t consistently get to the second level, and is too often found blocking grass. In just 11 starts he managed to give up 10 sacks!!! He is a rookie so his problems are correctable, but are glaring.
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Well, the rookie outweighs Henderson by 15 pounds. And he’s just a rookie, coming out of a Div II school, who seemed to get better over the course of every game he played in. Yes, he struggled at times, there’s no doubt about that. But Veldheer earned another crack at the LT job by outperforming Henderson in spite of being thrown into the fire as an inexperienced small-school project player.
Regardless, this isn’t about Veldheer. Veldheer is under contract, and presumably has the starting LT job locked up for now.
This is about RE-SIGNING a player who hasn’t shown the ability to be a consistent, starting-caliber player after four seasons in the league.
May 9th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Jerry you left off Taiwan Jones #36…..
May 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Teams list players at lower weights and taller heights consistently. Andre Smith is listed at only 340, seriously!? Teams manipulate these numbers just how they manipulate the results of physicals
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So what you’re saying is that You, YA, TJ, nor I know what the hell Mario Henderson actually weighs?
May 9th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Teams list players at lower weights and taller heights consistently. Andre Smith is listed at only 340, seriously!? Teams manipulate these numbers just how they manipulate the results of physicals
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So, again, the question is how does this work in Henderson’s favor?
Either A) he’s heavier than his listed weight, and struggled to perform consistently because of it. Or B) he’s lighter than his listed weight, making him and even more questionable system fit. Wasn’t it you, Severe, who was railing against the Wisniewski pick for this very reason?
May 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Well, the rookie outweighs Henderson by 15 pounds. And he’s just a rookie, coming out of a Div II school, who seemed to get better over the course of every game he played in. Yes, he struggled at times, there’s no doubt about that. But Veldheer earned another crack at the LT job by outperforming Henderson in spite of being thrown into the fire as an inexperienced small-school project player.
Regardless, this isn’t about Veldheer. Veldheer is under contract, and presumably has the starting LT job locked up for now.
This is about RE-SIGNING a player who hasn’t shown the ability to be a consistent, starting-caliber player after four seasons in the league.
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He outweighs him by 15lbs but is more than an inch taller so the difference is negligible. Mario’s problem was never in the run game it was in pass protection. he gave up 9.5 sacks in 15 starts in 2009, which everyone thought was terrible. Veldheer gave up a 1/2 sack more in 4 less starts last season. Bringing him back if for nothing more than to be an experienced back up would be wise. We will have enough new starters on our OL i think a veteran presence who has some experience in the scheme that will be running would be wise. Blocking concepts wont be exactly the same but a lot of what Hue the OC did will be done under Hue the HC.
May 9th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Wow. Its getting bad when “draft picks issued numbers” gets to be offseason news….no OTA’s to even look at the players in uniform.
May 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Teams list players at lower weights and taller heights consistently. Andre Smith is listed at only 340, seriously!? Teams manipulate these numbers just how they manipulate the results of physicals
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So what you’re saying is that You, YA, TJ, nor I know what the hell Mario Henderson actually weighs?
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I dont know exactly how much any of these guys weigh. I use these weights because they are the only ones given but some are just ridiculous. Somehow Satele at 6′3″ weighs as much as Tommy Kelly (6′6″) and Mario Henderson (6′7″)….if thats the case that undersized argument no longer holds water
May 9th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Also on the Campbell injury in pre season 2 things happened. Mario got beat by an OLB on a speed rush but a sack could have been averted if:
1. Campbell wasnt in a deep drop
2. If he would have stepped up in the pocket, which he couldnt do because gallery was getting beat like a drum as well
While this was going on, Veldheer was blocking no one.
May 9th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Yea! A football post! (go to football pages and you can hear the crickets chirp!)
May 9th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
While this was going on, Veldheer was blocking no one.
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Yes, because he wasn’t on the field.
If the Raiders are looking for a veteran presence (unfortunately, I’m not convinced that they are), they’d be better off looking for a veteran who can actually play the position well.
Veldheer is still under contract, and played better than anyone expected him to after being thrown into the fire as a rookie. Because of that alone, he’ll get another crack at the starting LT job.
We’ve seen what Henderson has to offer, and it isn’t anything the Raiders can’t find elsewhere when free agency starts.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Velheer was playing center if memory serves me
May 9th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
#4. Mario has struggled with laziness his whole creer I think. He was a developmental gamble when we moved up for him and I think his game lag is mental. He a little lazy, eats too much and seems to be hangin out with some new people that may not have Mario’s best interests in mind.
Times he mentioned eating fattening foods on FB.
Hundreds.
Times he’s mentioned working out.
One.
And that one time was when they announced the lock out was over.
Now that its back on…
May 9th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
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May 9th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
While this was going on, Veldheer was blocking no one.
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Yes, because he wasn’t on the field.
If the Raiders are looking for a veteran presence (unfortunately, I’m not convinced that they are), they’d be better off looking for a veteran who can actually play the position well.
Veldheer is still under contract, and played better than anyone expected him to after being thrown into the fire as a rookie. Because of that alone, he’ll get another crack at the starting LT job.
We’ve seen what Henderson has to offer, and it isn’t anything the Raiders can’t find elsewhere when free agency starts.
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We have seen what henderson has to offer at LT and no other position, if i were to judge Veldheer off of his performance at C he would have been cut Moses style. We have yet to see what Henderson has to offer until he is given a chance to go through camp and preseason at a new position along the line, especially if he is going to transition from the left to the right side. If he fails cut him…no harm no foul.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
14. Agreed. I like the guy but seriously, its the NFL and he’s had more than enuff time to get it together. Seems to be regressing rather than advancing.
He played right side last year at least for a few snaps and meh, not so great.
I think his hearts not 100% commited.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Yeah, I know…Think Al will try to sign Rany Moss if Pats do not want him back?
May 9th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
#4. Mario has struggled with laziness his whole creer I think. He was a developmental gamble when we moved up for him and I think his game lag is mental. He a little lazy, eats too much and seems to be hangin out with some new people that may not have Mario’s best interests in mind.
Times he mentioned eating fattening foods on FB.
Hundreds.
Times he’s mentioned working out.
One.
And that one time was when they announced the lock out was over.
Now that its back on…
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You are basing a guys workout habits on how many times he mentioned it on facebook, really now??? Fact of the matter is more people want to hear about a delicious burger than resistance and non-resistance blocking drills
May 9th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
We have seen what henderson has to offer at LT and no other position, if i were to judge Veldheer off of his performance at C he would have been cut Moses style. We have yet to see what Henderson has to offer until he is given a chance to go through camp and preseason at a new position along the line, especially if he is going to transition from the left to the right side. If he fails cut him…no harm no foul.
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As I said earlier, he did play RT last year if only in special packs and fill in for a few plays.
I’d really like to see him grasp the RT position cuz its been a weakness for many many Cornell Green and L Walker years but Henud doesn’t seem like he’s even into football that much.
Veldheer? Cut because of ONE start as a rookie at a postion he never played?!
I also think, yeah, we have seen what Mario’s all about. Enough so at LT that RT likely won’t make any diff.
Its his head, not his heart or body lacking.
Disagree with “no harm no foul” too.
With the lockout practice time could be limited or even eliminated.
Could leave very little time to nurse Mario thru another slot.
We’ve spent ALOT of time on Hendu. May be time to just move on.
IF we’re building a bully, Milque toast Mario does not equate.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
14. Agreed. I like the guy but seriously, its the NFL and he’s had more than enuff time to get it together. Seems to be regressing rather than advancing.
He played right side last year at least for a few snaps and meh, not so great.
I think his hearts not 100% commited.
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Switching from the left to the right side of the line is difficult. I don’t know if u play ball but its like telling a right handed player that they can only do layups with their left hand. One offensive lineman compared it to asking a right handed person to write left handed.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Yeah, I know…Think Al will try to sign Rany Moss if Pats do not want him back?
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No.
Moss may have actually really lost a step this time and Davis fought hard (whether he likes it or not, with the help of Cable) to turn this franchise around and Moss was a part of the sink hole it fell into PLUS Mr Davis probably feels like he’s got his WRs already.
Hope he’s right.
If Schilens can stay healthy? That would help BT
May 9th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
23. Oh I agree.
Not impossible but time is a factor and so is commitment.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Mario actually. Good boy who takes care o’ his Gma and Mamma but football is a bidnez and Mario’s evaluations aren’t adding up.
I think you may be right about not being able to plug in a guy at RT in FA but Mario doesn’t seem like he’s the answer in O town.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Yeqah, can’t resist. Too nice out there. Goin 4 a walk and throw the ball around. Wishing for Raider football…
Peace Nation! Keepers of the FAITH!
May 9th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
We have seen what henderson has to offer at LT and no other position, if i were to judge Veldheer off of his performance at C he would have been cut Moses style. We have yet to see what Henderson has to offer until he is given a chance to go through camp and preseason at a new position along the line, especially if he is going to transition from the left to the right side. If he fails cut him…no harm no foul.
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As I said earlier, he did play RT last year if only in special packs and fill in for a few plays.
I’d really like to see him grasp the RT position cuz its been a weakness for many many Cornell Green and L Walker years but Henud doesn’t seem like he’s even into football that much.
Veldheer? Cut because of ONE start as a rookie at a postion he never played?!
I also think, yeah, we have seen what Mario’s all about. Enough so at LT that RT likely won’t make any diff.
Its his head, not his heart or body lacking.
Disagree with “no harm no foul” too.
With the lockout practice time could be limited or even eliminated.
Could leave very little time to nurse Mario thru another slot.
We’ve spent ALOT of time on Hendu. May be time to just move on.
IF we’re building a bully, Milque toast Mario does not equate.
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RT would make a huge difference…the difference between a RT and LT is as big as the difference between a slot receiver and an outside receiver.
You never gave a reason to disagree with the no harm no foul comment….he would end up being a cut casualty at the worst. He wouldn’t necessarily take time from anyone that they actually wanted to make the team. That very “little time” would be infinite more time than the in-season switch and spot duty you are basing his performance at RT off of.
We have not spent any more time on Henderson than on any other player in regards to practice, he was largely ignored when Kiffin was here and given a chance when Cable took over performed adequately.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Velheer was playing center if memory serves me
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During the preseason Veldheer only saw time at 2nd team LT. The reason the move to starting center on opening day was such a disaster is because Veldheer only saw time there during practices, never during the preseason.
May 9th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
So anyone know when we will get a ruling later today or on tuesfay?I don’t know about some of you but I do not want Walker back as a starter he has never been able to hod up in pass blocking whenever this BS ends what will be the rules for free agents 2010 or some new rules I want Miller back Reece back Braynt Scott I think Shaunseey is a freee agent not 100 percent but bring him back upgrade 2nd string QB I want Nnamdi back but I see him gone hope I am wrong and I would like to see what we got in Mitchell Bruce Campbell as our right guard if he is ready THIS DIEHARD RAIDER FAN IN bear city THEY WILL SHUT UP WHEN WE BEAT THEM ALL THEY DO IS TALK CRAP RAIDERS FOR LIFE FOR ME MEANS WHEN I DIE I WILL BE BURIED IN MY RAIDER GEAR RAIDERS 23 7 365 LET’S GO RAIDERS AND WE NEED OUR CAMPS
May 9th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Velheer was playing center if memory serves me
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During the preseason Veldheer only saw time at 2nd team LT. The reason the move to starting center on opening day was such a disaster is because Veldheer only saw time there during practices, never during the preseason.
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False. He saw time at c in the SF game and was sat down vs Seattle. One of the reasons that i was so pissed because he had only spot duty a the position and was outplayed by Satele and instead of getting more reps in the last preseason game, the genius Cable decided to sit him. The pre-season had Raider fans excited about our ability to use the screen pass, Satele was the C every time we ran a successful screen. Week one we started Veldheer and it was a disaster, he didn’t start at C again.
May 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
@Raider77 noway we bring Moss back I got make a wish back in 05 my wish was to meet moss I don’t care for him @all anymore he quit on us@severeRaiderz whenever we can sign undrafted free agents I see us needing a left guard Wiz2.0 will be our center pending we can even get training camps this lockout is messing the whole thing up I am a guy who says I font care who you got @QB @Rb out@wideout or@tightend if our O line can’t keep our QB upright it does not matter who we got outwide or tightend I say you win with you O line and D line we need to stop the run we did it @ times last season then our run D goes away for streches
May 9th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
no stay ruling today
keep in mind they don’t have to rule on it at all and just keep it in place as is which is more and more likely the longer we wait
May 9th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Velheer was playing center if memory serves me
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First time Veldheer played Center was the home opener.
May 9th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Raider Christian Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
@Raider77 noway we bring Moss back I got make a wish back in 05 my wish was to meet moss I don’t care for him @all anymore he quit on us@severeRaiderz whenever we can sign undrafted free agents I see us needing a left guard Wiz2.0 will be our center pending we can even get training camps this lockout is messing the whole thing up I am a guy who says I font care who you got @QB @Rb out@wideout or@tightend if our O line can’t keep our QB upright it does not matter who we got outwide or tightend I say you win with you O line and D line we need to stop the run we did it @ times last season then our run D goes away for streches
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The big mystery is where they put Bruce Campbell who i call the Hulk. He is a freak of nature with loads of potential and could turn out to be the best OL taken in that draft. With Veldheer showing such promise at LT its hard to bench him for an unknown commodity. That being said, i feel like a motivated Hulk is a waste anywhere but at LT, quite a quandary. If he is relegated to guard duty, do we put him at RG with a rookie center and, in all likelihood a new RT? Or do we put him at LG, where he has no experience, will be playing next to a rookie and a second year tackle out of Div II
May 9th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Velheer was playing center if memory serves me
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First time Veldheer played Center was the home opener.
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He played at C in the pre season, I’m willing to put money on it. The second to last pre season game he played at C and was sat down in the last preseason game.
May 9th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
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Forget the golden memories. Under a new law passed by the Alabama Senate last week, undocumented immigrant children could be kept out of their school proms, and a whole lot of other activities that are an important part of the fabric of an American education. Tutoring? Sports? 4-H Club? The school band? These children can forget those too.
The Senate has decided to focus on schoolchildren as it joins states like Arizona and Georgia in coming up with new approaches to immigration enforcement.
In Section 8 of the bill (SB 256), any child who is not lawfully present in the U.S. is prohibited from participating in “any extracurricular activity outside of the basic course of study” in elementary school or high school. But the basic course of study isn’t all there is to an education.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/05/03/us-prom-no-place-immigrant-checks
May 9th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
From Jerry’s article last year:
“A few post-practice notes as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran:
– Jared Veldheer worked with the first team at center and will start against the 49ers, essentially auditioning for the starting job with Samson Satele out with an ankle injury.”
May 9th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Alex7 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
From Jerry’s article last year:
“A few post-practice notes as relayed by beat writer Steve Corkran:
– Jared Veldheer worked with the first team at center and will start against the 49ers, essentially auditioning for the starting job with Samson Satele out with an ankle injury.”
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Thank you very much Alex….damn i was hoping one of these fools would bet me lmao
May 9th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
We should have listened to this guy last year when we had dreams of beating Tennessee in the opener:
raidersxy Says:
August 25th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
FYI Our starting O-line will consist of 3 college left tackles a RG and a RT
May 9th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
He played at C in the pre season, I’m willing to put money on it. The second to last pre season game he played at C and was sat down in the last preseason game.
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He did Not!. But, it’s pretty easy to prove.
May 9th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
The big mystery is where they put Bruce Campbell who i call the Hulk. He is a freak of nature with loads of potential and could turn out to be the best OL taken in that draft. With Veldheer showing such promise at LT its hard to bench him for an unknown commodity. That being said, i feel like a motivated Hulk is a waste anywhere but at LT, quite a quandary. If he is relegated to guard duty, do we put him at RG with a rookie center and, in all likelihood a new RT? Or do we put him at LG, where he has no experience, will be playing next to a rookie and a second year tackle out of Div II
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Funny, I was just thinking how the Raiders will use B. Campbell. I don’t recall if he even played at all in last years preseason games. The guy is built to destroy. Cable just kept saying that “he wasn’t ready”
May 9th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Dang severeraiderz, I posted that before refreshing and seeing your bet
took me a whopping 5 seconds to google “veldheer center”
While I’m on a hot streak:
2011 Raiders = 6-10, 7-9 at best.
May 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I can’t find anything to say Veldheer started the 49er game at Center. Nor do I see Satele’s name on the injury report.
http://www.raiders.com/schedule/game/2010/preseason3/
May 9th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
My bad, you’re right, Veldheer did see time at C that game.
Still, the sack was on Henderson, who got knocked on his a** by an average-at-best Travis LaBoy.
May 9th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Alex7 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Dang severeraiderz, I posted that before refreshing and seeing your bet
took me a whopping 5 seconds to google “veldheer center”
While I’m on a hot streak:
2011 Raiders = 6-10, 7-9 at best.
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Its all gravity….you see KK hasn’t been back yet lmao
May 9th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Its all gravity….you see KK hasn’t been back yet lmao
KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I can’t find anything to say Veldheer started the 49er game at Center. Nor do I see Satele’s name on the injury report.
http://www.raiders.com/schedule/game/2010/preseason3/
May 9th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
I can’t find anything to say Veldheer started the 49er game at Center. Nor do I see Satele’s name on the injury report.
http://www.raiders.com/schedule/game/2010/preseason3/
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I saw the game lol, its ok KK just keep looking im sure you will find something. I’ll try to find video
May 9th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
I saw the game too.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
My bad, you’re right, Veldheer did see time at C that game.
Still, the sack was on Henderson, who got knocked on his a** by an average-at-best Travis LaBoy.
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Wasn’t put on his butt, JC was in a 5 or 7 step drop (cant remember for sure) and Mario got beat off the edge. JC couldnt step up because Gallery was getting beat up the middle. I remember this play vividly because i was arguing with Raider fans that blamed Mario for a week about it. Carlisle was handling the 9ers best DT Franklin and Veldheer was bent over blocking grass
May 9th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Is your point that Veldheer sucks, because he didn’t backup Mario Henderson on a sack?
May 9th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Is your point that Veldheer sucks, because he didn’t backup Mario Henderson on a sack?
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No, just didnt block anyone. Thats a bad habit that needs to be broken. My point was mario got beat becasue it was a deep drop, if it was a 3 step drop he would have been able to recover. JC couldnt step up because Gallery was getting beat down the middle. It was Marios fault, but he wasn’t the only culprit. Futhermore, for a undersized (weight), rookie that came from a Div II school i think JV performed excellent. He showed a lot of promis at LT and his play in the pre season and week 1 was the perfect illustration as to why he should remain at LT and not C.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Dude… sometimes, a QB is going to have to drop back on a 7 step drop. If the LT can’t handle it, he shouldn’t be starting at LT.
It was on Henderson. He got beaten to the outside edge. Gallery did, as well, but Campbell didn’t even have time to step up in the pocket before LaBoy got to him.
Here’s the video:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a17e3b/Campbell-injury
Veldheer wasn’t blocking anyone because the LDE took the gap on Gallery’s outside shoulder. No one really knows what Veldheer’s assignment was, but I don’t see how it could have possibly been Veldheer’s fault. Not saying that Veldheer did well at center, but that sack certainly wasn’t on him.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbP2Cf_NwnE
here is the vid…both Mario and Gallery were beat pretty badly. Walker was getting handled too
May 9th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
I couldn’t tell anything by that video.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Ok. Veldheer DID see action at Center the 3rd pre-season game of his career.
If fact, he was the only guy on that play that didn’t get beat.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Boy Mr Davis didn’t give DVD #21 or #24 so they must be holding out hope that both those guys might be back.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Dude… sometimes, a QB is going to have to drop back on a 7 step drop. If the LT can’t handle it, he shouldn’t be starting at LT.
It was on Henderson. He got beaten to the outside edge. Gallery did, as well, but Campbell didn’t even have time to step up in the pocket before LaBoy got to him.
Here’s the video:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a17e3b/Campbell-injury
Veldheer wasn’t blocking anyone because the LDE took the gap on Gallery’s outside shoulder. No one really knows what Veldheer’s assignment was, but I don’t see how it could have possibly been Veldheer’s fault. Not saying that Veldheer did well at center, but that sack certainly wasn’t on him.
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Apparently Veldheer knew he f’d up because he turned around at the last second. He should have been blocking someone and on a 7 step drop i know they weren’t expecting him to block no one, which is exactly what he did. BTW the DT faked outside and beat Gallery inside. Don’t blame him for the sack but you can’t be blocking grass, that is a cardinal sin.
Very few teams use 7 step drops for that very reason, its harder to hold the edge when the QB gets that deep. If the raiders were running a 3 step drop or even a 5 step drop Laboy wouldn’t have gotten the sack. But as you said Mario was beat and the sack was on him
May 9th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Tom Cable use of players on the Oline will be very different from Hujacks to base anything on what you saw last year might be way off. Just saying!
May 9th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Good point Priestt, hope so. Not sure that you get better by letting go two of your top players.
As for that play, it showcased JC’s biggest weaknesses: 1) zeroing in on one receiver and waiting for him to get open instead anticipating.
2.) holding the ball too long and not scanning for check downs or alternative receivers.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Alex7 how do you know what the play was and what his procession was. It’s easy to draw conclusions. Now if you wnat to really watch Campbell’s game he goes through his procession’s very well looks deep to intermediate to short.
For once take an objective look at the guy without preconceaved notion and you’ll see a lot more than you do now.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
No, just didnt block anyone. Thats a bad habit that needs to be broken.
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Satele does the same thing pretty frequently. I’m not sure if it’s a zone blocking thing or what, but plenty of times the C is standing there in the middle of the line waiting for something to happen. Again, it’s not like we know what the blocking assignments are supposed to be. It’s frustrating to watch, especially when the line is collapsing from both tackle positions.
JC does indeed hold the ball too long on a regular basis, but on that play the fault lies with Henderson, and to a lesser extent Gallery and Walker.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Tom Cable use of players on the Oline will be very different from Hujacks to base anything on what you saw last year might be way off. Just saying!
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Where do u think that puts Hulk….they better not put JV back at C. That would immediately signal season over imo.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
I hope the Raiders don’t try and copy the failed 49er method of developing a bully O-line. The Niners drafted two very good linemen last year to help Gore. It didn’t work. Why? Niners STILL couldn’t pass the ball.
There is no better way to become good at running the ball than by becoming good at throwing it.
Look what happened to the vaunted Panthers running game once Delhomme left and scrubs were QBs.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I remember Veldheer playing center in the pre-season.
Severe is absolutely correct about that.
However, I disagree with his asessment that V struggles getting to the 2nd level. I think he’s very good in that area. Gets downfield well and finds someone to block. I like that aspect of his game.
I know his numbers weren’t that great, but I’m convinced he will improve and could be an effective LT for years to come.
It’s possible however that the Raids might see fit to consider moving V to RT and giving Barksdale and Campbell a shot at LT. Bark and Camp both played LT as seniors in college.
Campbell’s failure to see the field as a rookie was dismaying. Guy is an absolute monster and superb physical specimen. Don’t know what the problem was last year, but Campbell getting on the field and playing well would be a huge bonus for a line going through a major overhaul.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
I think we have a new Center anyway, yes? New Center, New Head Coach, New O-Line Coach, yes?
Why spend all day hammering Veldeer at Center for a pre-season game, Last year?
May 9th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
The only reason the Raiders put Veldheer at center is because they believed that was the weak link in their line and that Veldheer could offer an immediate upgrade at the position.
This year they drafted an actual center to help upgrade that position, so I don’t think we’ll be seeing Veldheer back there any time soon.
I just hope that Veldheer continues to improve at LT.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Priestt, that’s been JC’s scouting report his entire career. I’m sure there’s a reason for it.
Also, you can see in the replay of that play (straight on view from the D side) how JC’s eyes stay on the same spot of the field the entire time.
You don’t end up ANNUALLY on the list of most-sacked QBs by getting rid of the ball quickly and finding alternate receivers. And he had Pro-Bowl linemen in Washington.
I think 6 full seasons is enough to make basic analysis on a player.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
No, just didnt block anyone. Thats a bad habit that needs to be broken.
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Satele does the same thing pretty frequently. I’m not sure if it’s a zone blocking thing or what, but plenty of times the C is standing there in the middle of the line waiting for something to happen. Again, it’s not like we know what the blocking assignments are supposed to be. It’s frustrating to watch, especially when the line is collapsing from both tackle positions.
JC does indeed hold the ball too long on a regular basis, but on that play the fault lies with Henderson, and to a lesser extent Gallery and Walker.
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That may be true about Satele, but how do you explain our screen game being so much better with Satele at C??? JV consistently doesn’t go find anyone to block and doesn’t get to the second level in the screen game or the running game. These are areas that i trust will be approved upon, rookie tendencies that reps and film study will rid.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
I think we have a new Center anyway, yes? New Center, New Head Coach, New O-Line Coach, yes?
Why spend all day hammering Veldeer at Center for a pre-season game, Last year?
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I forgot about Wiz II, but that being said, what if he isnt ready? With no camp and not OTA’s it could be hard for a guy that has never played in the NFL and played OG all of last season to come in and take over the most mentally demanding position on the line.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
In a revision of the ‘10 NFL draft, the raiders had four #1’s in the top 32, rolando mcclain, lamar houston, jacoby ford, and jared veldheer. That’s a pretty good draft. Nuff said
May 9th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
How can you say Veldheer doesn’t block anybody when the Raiders were 2nd in the NFL in Rushing, heavy on the Left Side?
I guess, you’ve got a hard-on for Veldheer.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Raiderman,
I think JV has a better combination of athleticism and instincts than Campbell, and will thus stay at LT over him.
Campbell is a beast, but the reason he didn’t play last year was his inability to grasp blocking schemes. It certainly wasn’t physical – all mental. Asking him to be a LT would only increase his pass-blocking responsibilities in that realm (3-4 looks, fake blitzes, overloads).
I think Campbell stays at RG where he can mash inside a “phone booth” more often, and have fewer responsibilities in pass protection.
May 9th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Supapimp,
but who picked a non-blazing MLB 8th overall, a power DE in the 2nd, and a small-school lineman in the 3rd?
I seriously doubt Davis ever “scouted” Veldheer before the month of March leading up to the draft.
Who knows who Davis gave a little more leeway to in last year’s draft, but they drafted “slow” football players instead of the typical speed-burners every round, so someone else certainly had a larger say than normal.
This year, ehhh, back to speed and corners and blah.
May 9th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I remember Veldheer playing center in the pre-season.
Severe is absolutely correct about that.
However, I disagree with his asessment that V struggles getting to the 2nd level. I think he’s very good in that area. Gets downfield well and finds someone to block. I like that aspect of his game.
I know his numbers weren’t that great, but I’m convinced he will improve and could be an effective LT for years to come.
It’s possible however that the Raids might see fit to consider moving V to RT and giving Barksdale and Campbell a shot at LT. Bark and Camp both played LT as seniors in college.
Campbell’s failure to see the field as a rookie was dismaying. Guy is an absolute monster and superb physical specimen. Don’t know what the problem was last year, but Campbell getting on the field and playing well would be a huge bonus for a line going through a major overhaul.
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At LT he did a better job, I’ll give u that but he still is caught too often blocking grass. A tendency that im sure a smart guy like him will break.
If it weren’t for the lockout i would have liked to see Campbell get a shot at LT, but with no camp and no contact with coaches i just dont see that happening, especially after being at RG all last year.
May 9th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
That may be true about Satele, but how do you explain our screen game being so much better with Satele at C??? JV consistently doesn’t go find anyone to block and doesn’t get to the second level in the screen game or the running game. These are areas that i trust will be approved upon, rookie tendencies that reps and film study will rid.
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You mean Veldheer at C? He was only there for one preseason game and one regular season game after never having played the position before. Hard to compare, I would say.
Veldheer was very good as a run blocker at LT. Consistently got to the second level, and did very well in space. Raiders were averaging something like 4.5 ypc off the left side last season. His pass blocking is the only thing he needs to improve on. Even then, every game he played against an elite pass rusher, while they usually had his lunch early in the game, he always seemed to improve dramatically as the game went on. Hopefully that’s a sign that he’s figuring some things out for himself. Looking forward to seeing what he can do in year two.
May 9th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
I seem to recall the Raid coaches being very unsatisfied with Satele’s line calls being a major part of their unhappiness with him. There was also doubt about him being able to hold up after shoulder surgery and knee issues. Hence, the experiment with V at center.
Although Satele had a decent 2010, obviously the coaches weren’t completely sold on him as a starting center and Wiz was drafted and immediately annointed as the center even though there was speculation he might be a guard in the NFL.
May 9th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
How can you say Veldheer doesn’t block anybody when the Raiders were 2nd in the NFL in Rushing, heavy on the Left Side?
I guess, you’ve got a hard-on for Veldheer.
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Darren Mcfadden healthy most of the year and Hue Jackson. If anyone has a hard-on its you for Al Davis. I think JV is our LT of the future but I call them how i see them and he needs work which is to be expected from a rookie LT from a Div II school
May 9th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
I seem to recall the Raid coaches being very unsatisfied with Satele’s line calls being a major part of their unhappiness with him. There was also doubt about him being able to hold up after shoulder surgery and knee issues. Hence, the experiment with V at center.
Although Satele had a decent 2010, obviously the coaches weren’t completely sold on him as a starting center and Wiz was drafted and immediately annointed as the center even though there was speculation he might be a guard in the NFL.
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Yeah Satele is being viewed as a ZBS guy, which he may very well be. He was our most consistent lineman last year but our whole line, outside of Veldheer, needs to be revamped and i dont mind Samson being the first casualty
May 9th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Alex7 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Priestt, that’s been JC’s scouting report his entire career. I’m sure there’s a reason for it.
Also, you can see in the replay of that play (straight on view from the D side) how JC’s eyes stay on the same spot of the field the entire time.
You don’t end up ANNUALLY on the list of most-sacked QBs by getting rid of the ball quickly and finding alternate receivers. And he had Pro-Bowl linemen in Washington.
I think 6 full seasons is enough to make basic analysis on a playe
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Palying for the Redskins and Raiders will ANNUALLY put ANY quarterback at the top of the sacks list
May 9th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/stefen-wisniewski?id=2495250#tab=3
I hope that this guy and all the others that had him pegged as a mid-round or a late round guy are wrong. I think we reached a little but still worthy of a late second or early third. Hopefully he wears the uniform with as much passion, pride, and intensity as his uncle did
May 9th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
gotta go….talk to yall later
May 9th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Somwhat reluctant to bring this up, but if memory serves me correctly JaJason was having a poor game before he got knocked out against SF. Another instance of Grads coming in and a noticable improvement.
I might be the only Grads supporter left on this blog, but I maintain if Bruce is healthy, he’s better than JC.
Alex7, I agree with your thoughts about Bruce Campbell seeing time at Guard. Also agree with your observation that JaJason will zero in on one receiver, hold the ball and take a sack if a checkdown is not there. Watch the 4th quarter of the Skins/Eagles MNF game during JaJason’s last year in Wash, and you’ll know why Washinton dumped him for a measly future 4th rd pick.
That being said, props to JaJason for being a team player and wanting to improve. I like the fact that he spends time bonding and working out with DHB. During the bye week last year he was here in Reno playing poker with DHB. Appreciate the fact that he’s organizing workouts and being a leader.
I still think he sucks, but it’s good to know the man is trying instead of just looking to cash a check.
May 9th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Darren Mcfadden healthy most of the year and Hue Jackson. If anyone has a hard-on its you for Al Davis. I think JV is our LT of the future but I call them how i see them and he needs work which is to be expected from a rookie LT from a Div II school
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Al Davis as GM, has lost 57% of his games since 1989.
Jared Veldheer is a young lineman who in his first year played LT for a O-Line 2nd in the NFL in Rushing.
Apples & Oranges, my man.
May 9th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
I might be the only Grads supporter left on this blog, but I maintain if Bruce is healthy, he’s better than JC.
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Based on what? Not a damned thing.
May 9th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Well Raiderman99 he needs someone on his side it might as well be you.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Anyone who thinks that guy is better than JC is either blind or doesn’t know any better……By years end RayCharles could see who was better and he’s dead.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
I read so much crap about JC in here i could fill the Grand canyon most of it is just the herd mentality.
Some of it objective but if you really study JC with some degreeof football acumen his basic weakness is some unfamiliarity and when that’s there he tends to hold the ball and become indecisive. Beyond that it’s garden variety QB struggles with newness and not knowing his teammates.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Wiz kid was drafted because not only do we need depth at C but Satele is a FA.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Enough with the Grads talk. He’s history and will not be returning. He had great heart, energy and leadership but that was not enough to compensate for his weak inaccurate arm and fragile physical stature.
JCampbell is the man for the foreseeable future unless AD makes a veteran acquisition in the FA market. Even then, I believe the team is committed to JCampbell as the starter. I personally think he’ll thrive in our system and will significantly improve as the team does. We now have a decent HC, some excellent assistants, the makings of a decent O-line and 1 more year of experience in our/HuJack’s offense. we now have a legitimate aggressive OC and we should be a force to be dealt with this year. I also believe our Defense will be better than most expect. It will be interesting to see what happens with Nnamdi. His leaving is NOT a sure thing. AD finds a way of keeping players he wants even if it is year by year.
Let’s just get this CBA agreement resolved and start the season. without football, nobody wins, only the terrorists!
May 9th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
The fact that JC is a quiet leader IMo is just personality it’s neither a weakness nor a strength. People perceave it as a weakness but someof the best QB’s were that way. Montana was not a rah rah guy neither was Snake Stabler alot of times you couldn’t tell if they threw a TD or a int. JC seems to be the same way what I’d like to see from him this year is when guys screw up let ‘m know it. He doeesn’t hav e to show them up Marino style just take ‘em to the sideline and get ‘em straight.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Satele is not going anywhere in FA. AD will offer him probably more than he’s worth. IMO he’s a back-up. He’ll have an opportunity here to compete for a starting position but he won’t get it. He’s just not that good. Wiz will be the starter if not week 1 by week 4. He needs a little time to learn the playbook and the offensive blocking formations.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
TJ
I agree with you about JCampbell’s perceived personality. He does need to learn how to take charge and to hold teammates accountable for their failures. I would like to see more rah-rah and think that will come as he becomes more familiar with our system. When it finally sinks it that he’s the man and not just a transition, he’ll step his game control up significantly.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Veldheer gets a bad rap from some people in here but he was 100% better than the last 2-3 guys who started games at left tackle. Of course he needs some work, but he performed pretty damn well, and its not like he was any where near his ceiling.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
JC has another year to prove himself. One thing that I worry about is his “stingers” If he goes out…#2 QB is Boller for now??? I’m still hoping that the Raiders can pick up Devlin if and when the lockout ends. He’s got a funny throw but seems pretty accurate.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Man in truth Veldheer struggled mightly at times last year it’s to be expected. he was making a huge jump when you get a kid from a small school the same way Art Shell was the first year struggles come with the territory. What you hope is he gets much better with experience. I think he will he’s a hard worker and a bulldog, he’ll fight you til he dies. How good he can be we’ll have to see, but I was encouraged.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Wow is it a lockout of what?!? You guys dont have sh.t to talk about …harping on whether or not Veldheer played at C last year
good lawd …dont bore me any further with that toiletry
May 9th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
You know it’s a slow night when Grads is drudged up…lol
May 9th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
I’m pretty sure that around mid season Veldheer had to move from LT to center because Satele got hurt. Can’t remember which game that was though.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Gradkowski?? Oh lawd …not him again
May 9th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
T’pin goin’ “Sanford and Son” on us LOL.
May 9th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
That was the first broncos game Raiders For Life
May 9th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Thanks Guy. I was on the road that Sunday and missed the whole game. I was suprised when I found out about the BLOWOUT.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Raiders for life Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
JC has another year to prove himself. One thing that I worry about is his “stingers” If he goes out…#2 QB is Boller for now??? I’m still hoping that the Raiders can pick up Devlin if and when the lockout ends. He’s got a funny throw but seems pretty accurate.
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Are you suggesting Devlin as a “reliable” backup? Boller is the best #2 option…or Frye.
To toss out an undrafted free agent as a viable backup is optimistic.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Veldheer did well for a rookie. He provided solid play and got a ton of in-game experience…which will pay dividends for the Raiders
May 9th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Is Kyle Boller as bad as everyone says he is or is he getting the Raider fan blog treatment. “I don’t like him so therefore he sucks” I don’t know but i’m inclined to listen to the coaches. I would live to get a Devlin to groom, but obviously as a rookie he’d be 3rd string or PS but I do like Devlin.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Veldheer did well for a rookie, a Div II rookie.
But, he seems willing to work and is tenacious. He starts at LT, imo.
May 9th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
JC goes into the 2nd year of an offense for the first time in his career.
He’s a heady safe guy. He get’s considerably better this year.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
107.KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
JC goes into the 2nd year of an offense for the first time in his career.
He’s a heady safe guy. He get’s considerably better this year.
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I agree with you, Kell. He’s undoubtedly been told that it’s his team this year. Doesn’t matter who you are, that means something to a player.
Combine that with another year with the same backs and receivers and (with a little more help from said receivers) I think he surprises a lot of people.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Godspeed, David White.
I met the veteran San Francisco Chronicle football beat writer, who covered the Niners and Raiders at different points, at the San Francisco draft last weekend. It was the last football assignment for White, who now is on a God assignment. He is leaving the Chronicle to become the senior pastor at the Porterville (Calif.) Church of God.
White wrote a poignant final column for the paper Sunday that I wanted to take note of, because it has so many good points for those he leaves behind, both on the field and in the press box. Whether you’re an atheist or a believer in a higher being, take a minute to read his column, particularly these bullet points about religion and sports, starting with the coach he formerly covered for the 49ers, Mike Singletary:
• “Thou shalt not wear a cross around your neck if you’re going to verbally wring the neck of third-string quarterbacks and local sports anchors in full public view. The Scripture says to take up your cross, not nail everyone else to one. Represent or tuck it in.
• “When thou tear an ACL, don’t say it’s because God lets everything happen for a reason. There is a reason. A 320-pound defensive tackle landed on the back of your knee.
• “Thou shalt not thank God when only you win, and never when you lose. What, is it his fault that fourth-and-inches call was a few yards off? Did he fumble away the game-winning interception? The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
• “Thou shalt absolutely not say your team won because it was God’s plan. What does the Lord have against the other team? And why should God even care in a world of suffering how our games play out? Maybe you think He doubled down on your end of the Vegas line? He didn’t.”
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/05/08/mmqb/index.html#ixzz1LupaR200
May 9th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
“Actually, it’s not his number. The Raiders don’t retire uniform numbers.”
Terrible backhand, JMac. He was referring to the legacy, not a retired number. Try giving the guy some respect based on his skills and abilities instead of relying on memories of his uncle.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
JC goes into the 2nd year of an offense for the first time in his career.
He’s a heady safe guy. He get’s considerably better this year.
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After this season, Al Saunders will have been Jason Campbell’s OC for half his career.
According to Priest this weekend, HC’s hire OC’s who run the same system as what the HC wants. Since Hue hired Al Saunders, who had worked with Soup for 2 years in Washington, by Priest’s logic Al Saunders/Joe Gibbs run the same offense as Hue Jackson.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Pat Devlin has a weaker arm than Bruce Gradkowski.
Al Davis wouldn’t hire him to wash his car.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
8 Ray Guy
12 Ken Stabler
15 Cotton Davidson
16 George Blanda / Jim Plunkett
21 Cliff Branch
24 Willie Brown
25 Fred Biletnikoff
32 Marcus Allen
36 Clem Daniels
37 Lester Hayes
45 Dave Grayson
46 Todd Christensen
53 Rod Martin
63 Gene Upshaw
65 Wayne Hawkins
75 Howie Long
76 Steve Wisniewski
78 Art Shell
81 Tim Brown
84 Art Powell
87 Dave Casper
Somebody may add a couple that I missed, but I’d like to see the Raiders retire these numbers.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Jeez. How about 00???
May 9th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
103.SnB Production Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Raiders for life Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
JC has another year to prove himself. One thing that I worry about is his “stingers” If he goes out…#2 QB is Boller for now??? I’m still hoping that the Raiders can pick up Devlin if and when the lockout ends. He’s got a funny throw but seems pretty accurate.
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Are you suggesting Devlin as a “reliable” backup? Boller is the best #2 option…or Frye.
To toss out an undrafted free agent as a viable backup is optimistic.
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Boller and Frye are more like assistant coaches. Boller is not that good on the field, we’ve all seen him play. I really do hope that JC has a good year but the Raiders do need to bring in someone to start learning the system. JC has a history of stingers and has to leave the game. Like Priesttj said even if it’s on the PS. It’s not that I don’t like Boller, he is a 7 or 8 year vet? He has done nothing to prove that he is more than a 3rd string QB. Devlin might not be the answer but you never know, wasn’t Brady a 6th round pick?
May 9th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
JFB,
Its safe to say that JC is on the hook to get it done. Had he lit it up last year, the Raiders would have given him a contract extension.
If JC stinks it up, the Raiders will most likely be in a position to get a much better QB than could be drafted this year.
If Hue Jackson is given a reprieve, then the new drafted QB would have a competent coach.
Anyway, I think JC can do well enough to help this team score points. Whether they win will be up to the defense, which has shown repeatedly its inability to stop the run and now the pass is in question.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
SnB,
We had the plagues of an inconsistant team last year.
Defense would play well for a half, than the offense would stink in the second half. Than vice versa two weeks later.
We only had that comfort level with our division opponents, to where we played complete games in all 3 phases.
The key will be to get the same type of output in running the ball, hopefully a few more plays from our WR’s, and getting turnovers on defense.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
And with that, it’s time to hit the hay.
Got to go to corrections tomorrow at 5am for a benefits fair, and it’s my B-Day.
Working inside a prison at 5am on your birthday. The downside of sales positions.
May 9th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
I will say think Tommy Kelly made Big Rich look better light finally went on for Kelly
May 9th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Numbers, I posted this three days ago Jerry!
May 9th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
O-Line possibility:
C Wisniewski LT Barksdale LG Vehldeer RG Loper RT Campbell
May 9th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Man im watching some old raider games….napoleon kaufman was a beast
May 9th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Chaz schilens being healthy will go a long way toward helping our passing offense….if not I’m hoping Moore can contribute immediately. I have stated DHB is one of my favorite Raiders, but even i dont expect too much from him.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Severe it’s a possibility that you may be able to beat your chest one day and say i told you so in regards to DHB. No one but you is brave enough to put that out there for all to ridicule. If DHB comes through I for one will make sure you get your due.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Severe it’s a possibility that you may be able to beat your chest one day and say i told you so in regards to DHB. No one but you is brave enough to put that out there for all to ridicule. If DHB comes through I for one will make sure you get your due.
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Im probably not on here enough to get any credit cuz i dont think anyone remembers me lol. I and many others were taking up for Run DMC for 2 years and I defended Romac this year. DHB has all of the physical ools, the attitude, and the work ethic but for some reason he can’t seem to get over his mental block catching the ball. He is pressing, Murphy and Ford having success, while being good for us, is not helping DHB and the pressure that he seems to put on himself.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
I’m watching the rose Bowl game between Mich and Wash. with Tyrone Wheatley for Mich and Nap kaufman for Wash. What a great game. Wheatley averaged “15 yards a caryy in that game”.
May 9th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
I think his maturity will take care of that, He was really young had just turned 21 when we drafted him after 2 years in the league you start to settle down and be yourself.
May 10th, 2011 at 1:42 am
Sorry, but anyone who sides with the players in this is either an idiot or a proponent of Marxism. No employee should have the right to see the books of their employer. If you don’t like the way you are treated, GET ANOTHER JOB. And ApprxAM, there is parity in the league due to the sharing of revenue. Remove that and you have the joke that baseball has become with half the league never having a chance to even compete with the other half. The Green Bay Packers never would happen in baseball. Unlike other businesses, NFL teams are not competing against each other as far as revenue goes, they are competing as a whole against other sports. It is in all of their best interests to have a financial level playing field and let the talent of GM’s and coached decide the rest. They dont want to put the other teams in their league out of business, though they wouldn’t mind seeing another sports league fold.
The players and anyone who sides with them are ignorant jokes. Go to your boss and demand that you see his books and demand to see what he makes every year and see how far that gets you. Like I said before, if you dont like your job or boss, GET ANOTHER JOB or start your own business. And the players decertifying their union is another complete joke that should be laughed out of court. Once their purpose is served, the union will be back in place. Allowing that to happen makes a mockery of the whole process.
May 10th, 2011 at 2:20 am
EricTurner_R.I.P. Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 1:42 am
Sorry, but anyone who sides with the players in this is either an idiot or a proponent of Marxism. No employee should have the right to see the books of their employer. If you don’t like the way you are treated, GET ANOTHER JOB. And ApprxAM, there is parity in the league due to the sharing of revenue. Remove that and you have the joke that baseball has become with half the league never having a chance to even compete with the other half. The Green Bay Packers never would happen in baseball. Unlike other businesses, NFL teams are not competing against each other as far as revenue goes, they are competing as a whole against other sports. It is in all of their best interests to have a financial level playing field and let the talent of GM’s and coached decide the rest. They dont want to put the other teams in their league out of business, though they wouldn’t mind seeing another sports league fold.
The players and anyone who sides with them are ignorant jokes. Go to your boss and demand that you see his books and demand to see what he makes every year and see how far that gets you. Like I said before, if you dont like your job or boss, GET ANOTHER JOB or start your own business. And the players decertifying their union is another complete joke that should be laughed out of court. Once their purpose is served, the union will be back in place. Allowing that to happen makes a mockery of the whole process.
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Locking out the players makes a mockery of the whole process. The players want to see the books because the owners are crying broke and asking for more money. The players had already agreed to give up 1 billion dollars in the negotiations for the new CBA and the owners wanted more. The unon has the right to negotiate on the players behalf but the players could not sue while they were part of that union. Decertifying allowed the players to file the class action lawsuit as individuals because the league wont let them work and in refusing to do so causing irreparable damage to their career if the lockout drags on. Whoever cant recognize that the players and especially the former players have been wronged is an ignoramus
May 10th, 2011 at 6:02 am
If the decertification is ruled a sham by the 8th district court of appeals or the DC circuit court of appeals, then the nonstatutory exemption would continue to protect owners from anti-trust lawsuits. The players would have no basis for class action lawsuits.
The owners are arguing on the point of jurisdiction, it seems like the owners want their cake and eat it too. Their argument to the Judge is that injunctions are limited and possibly even abolished if the dispute can be argued to have be derived from a “union”. Pretty thin argument here, if that is what they are saying. They need the union to exist after the fact to support their case. Ostensibly, It looks like the owners are trying to shield themselves from anti-trust laws that protect the de-certified players.
As for the “irreparable” damages, I don’t think the players would be irreparably harmed by a lockout. For the most part, they’d merely be reparably harmed. If the lockout is improper, they’ll get treble damages.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:23 am
Good Morning Nation! I’ll be going back home soon to Hawaii. Mom’s not doing too good. She’s holding on but time is short. I pray that I get to see her one last time before she passes on…I would like to ask a favor from you all, my extended “Raider Ohana (Family)” to keep her in your prayers as my family and I get through this difficult time. Thanks in advanced!
Sorry for the sad news to start the morning…so I would like to end it with…LET’S GO NFL! Let’s get this thing moving on so we can have some RAIDER FOOTBALL!!!
May 10th, 2011 at 6:26 am
Good Morning Hwnrdr.
So very sorry to hear about your ailing Mom. I did the same thing a couple years ago traveling to California to visit my mom for the last time, and she later passed of cancer. I didn’t know it was going to be the last time, but I am glad I didn’t take chances and told her how much I loved her. Go and do likewise. Your heart will be better for it.
Thoughts and prayers for you and your family. peace.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:30 am
It is a testament to the power of myth, that people here still think DHB can be a good player. Sorry Raider Nation, there is no Easter Bunny, there is no Santa Claus, and DH Bust will never be a good player. He has no lateral quickness and terrible hands. I realized that after watching 10 minutes of film. But Crazy Al loves 40 times, not film study. That is one of the big reasons we s..k.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:32 am
ANY THING U NEED HWNRDR..ANY THING AT ALL,U KNOW HOW 2 REACH ME..
May 10th, 2011 at 7:03 am
I don’t see how people can criticize Jared Veldheer.
Here’s a a kid who came from something called Hillsdale College in Division II, it’s safe to say this kid had never played against NFL caliber athletes until his post-season workouts where he did well enough to turn into a “sleeper”.
Most people were intrigued about him but said he was definitely a project who would need a year or two to adjust.
Then he comes here and instead of getting all of his work at LT they tried to make him a Center, so he didn’t even had a full training camp-preseason to learn how to become a LT in the NFL.
Yet the kid started most of the season at one of the most difficult positions in football and managed to do a decent job, he obviously struggled at times but that was to be expected.
And the guy is really smart, a hard worker and a great athlete so he should only get better.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Hwnrdr
Post 131.
You can count on it man.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:06 am
Guest, Dirt Lot, Marley…thanks guys!
May 10th, 2011 at 7:10 am
Good point Bob.
And Veldheer is very smart. Like you said, he made mistakes, but never the same mistake twice. He’s learned how to play the position through the school of hard knocks. He’s got that unique physique that lets him swivel and get leverage.
I look for Veldheer to solidify the LT spot this year.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:16 am
I like the fact that we are drafting some bright kids along with the required athletic skills.
Wisnieski was an Academic All-American, Veldheer was student-athelete of the year a few years ago with a 3 plus GPA in biology and Chimdi Chekwa, besides a track athlete and now NFL player is a friggin accountant.
I’m sure Raider Dell has a new favorite player.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:23 am
G’mornin fellas.
Best wishes to you and your family, Hwnrdr.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:23 am
and generally speaking, the smarter guys don’t get into offseason trouble with the law. We don’t have to live with headcases that disrupt the team’s focus. Still don’t get what choirboy Louis Murphy was doing with Viagra at his age. That bust was more embarrasing than anything else.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Sorry about that news Hwnrdr. My thoughts to you and yours.
That Louis Murphy thing is so stupid. If he would have just cooperated in the first place nothing would have happened. He had to be a tough guy and be above the law. He doesnt get to question whether the cop had the right to bust him, thats the courts job. He should get a minimum 4 game suspension JUST for resisting arrest.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Thanks Buckeye, Bcz24…
That Louis Murphy thing should be an embarrassment on him, and when football does begin their year…Hue should bust his chops on it…lol
May 10th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Hwnrdr,
Sorry to hear the news mayne.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Veldheer is going to be just fine.
So are Barksdale, Campbell, and Wiz.
Personally, I’m not scared to see the 4 young pups starting right away.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:18 am
You’re not scared, but come gameday will JC be scared?
May 10th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Our Oline has been PATHETIC for YEARS!
We haven’t been able to pass block since Gannon was here.
We haven’t been able to just line up and consistantly run for 2yds when we need it.
I applaud the complete house cleaning and welcome the 5 new starters!
May 10th, 2011 at 8:26 am
LOL
May 10th, 2011 at 8:30 am
LOL at #146
the guy does look scared
May 10th, 2011 at 8:30 am
JC isn’t going to be under anymore pressure than he was last year. Satele, Carlisle, and Walker took turns being the worst lineman on the field last year. There was always a hole on the right side caused by a whiff by Walker, Satele getting rag dolled, or Carlisle getting bull rushed. Can’t possibly be any worse.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Thanks JHill
May 10th, 2011 at 8:32 am
That’s hyperbole. This O-line struggled at the onset of last year, because Cable kept experimenting with the its pieces, trying to mask the weak spots. But the year wasn’t a complete waste as we found out which guys are keepers and which guys are superflous.
I don’t welcome 5 new starters on our O-line. Continuity of the line has to be kept at least to start, and new guys like Barksdale worked into the rotation as they get thier footing.
Traditionally the O-line is the toughest position to learn in the NFL. D-coordinators spend umpteen hours of film study looking for any weakness to exploit. And they will find that weakness, no doubt. And just when you got a lineman that is coached up and “smart”, he starts to break down physically. It’s always a rotation of new ones, coaching them up, watching them break down, rinse/repeat. Tough job assignment.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:34 am
I think what I am most looking forward to is our Oline not being overmatched physically.
I understand these young guys will make mistakes, but at least they won’t just get punked into the backfield like a blocking sled.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:37 am
But it wont matter if you are Hercules himself, if you don’t understand technique, the other guy can get his arm under your pad and out-leverage you and push away. These young guys, strong as bulls, but not up to speed on the tricks of the trade of DE’s and LB’s will be humbled until they figure it out.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Guest,
Who would you say is a keeper on the Oline?
Loper, Veldheer, and Campbell were all here last year, so it’s not like we are bringing in 5 new guys.
Our C is a FA who the coach doesn’t like, and our RT is also a FA who might retire. We only have 2 “new” guys to our Oline group in Wiz and Barksdale.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Bruce Campbell practiced against Seymour, Kelly, and Henderson for a full year.
Wiz comes from good coaching in Joe Pa and I’m sure he’s picked up a few things from his namesake and being arond the Raiders.
I don’t know much about Barksdale, but I don’t even see another option on the roster.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Veldheer is the only guy I feel good about at LT. From there, I hope and am rooting for Campbell to take the RG spot. I’d like Mario to try the RT spot and platoon in Barksdale slowly until he’s ready. I think we need a FA LG, as I don’t feel that Loper is the answer. I like situation at center as Wiz II/Satele provides depth and strength up the middle.
I am happy to say bye bye to Barnes, Walker (unconditionally) and to Henderson if he either fails to progress at RT or doesn’t want to accept a meager one year deal.
Ideally, we sign 2 FA OL and let them compete for one spot.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:49 am
I just hope that Coach Wyllie and Wiz coach those guys up. JC needs to be protected, as long as holes need to be made for whoever runs behind that line. I hope we don’t digress in that area…
May 10th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
Here is a link to a live interview starting in 5 minutes with Jason Campbell of the Oakland Raiders!
http://hqplayer.nbcsports.com/Player.html?PID=44
May 10th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Kobe<————–super snitch. This is who Laker fans adore lol. Now I know what Bynum meant when he said there are trust issues on the team. No one now will wanna come to LA and play with Kobe. This guy is a loser and deserves death
May 10th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Its on RIGHT NOW!!!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Campbell is training 2 times a week with trainers and throwing balls to receivers….they are organizing more activities as we speak!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:20 am
He’s saying about half of the team will be there practicing… Seymour has alot to do with this practice.
Kelly, McFadden, Ford, DHB, to name a few.
May 10th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Sorry Bauce…can’t really say Lakers fans because I am a Lakers fan, but NOT a Kobe fan! I will be one after he’s gone…although I do know people who are Kobe fans and will cease to be Lakers fans after he leaves or retires…
May 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Campbell is saying there is a chance Nnamdi will be back!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:28 am
He’s talking about the tension in the locker room with Grad being Cable’s guy!!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Hwnrdr Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Sorry Bauce…can’t really say Lakers fans because I am a Lakers fan, but NOT a Kobe fan! I will be one after he’s gone…although I do know people who are Kobe fans and will cease to be Lakers fans after he leaves or retires…
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Ur moms in my prayers and my favorite Lakers are Bynum and Odom….Kobe has grown on me over the years, i used to hate him.
May 10th, 2011 at 9:29 am
When Cable was there..
May 10th, 2011 at 9:32 am
He’s talking about the tension in the locker room with Grad being Cable’s guy!!
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LOL!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Bynum deserves the stiffest punishment possible but Dallas was running up the score. That’s what happens when you run it up.
May 10th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Bauce, I’m pretty sure Laker fans adore Kobe for the 5 titles, and pretty much having been the best player in the league for the past decade, as well as for him being a snitch…
May 10th, 2011 at 9:36 am
my favorite Lakers are Bynum
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Pretty good chance he’s in Orlando or NO next year.
May 10th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Thanks Severe…I agree with you…Kobe has grown on me also, I was just saying that I was a fan before Kobe and will be one long after he’s gone…but gosh, do you remember the Eddie Jones years…lol
RAIDER…Bynum shouldn’t have done that irregardless, he should have at least wack the ball out of Barrea’s hands. Odom actually got hard fouled by Dirk the play before he fouled Dirk and wasn’t called so…but it is what it is….
As for JC having practice with his guys…good! I hope something positive comes out of it!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Here they come. If you side with the players…you’re a “Marxist”. lol. The flannel wearing, shot gun and lantern wielding talking heads for thew wealthy have arrived.
May 10th, 2011 at 9:46 am
LOL at the whole “snitch” angle.
In an investigation about groupies, saying we all have groupies = snithcing? LMFAO! Who was it news to? We’re talking rockstars here. He probably had that patented “what, are you stupid” glare at the detective when he said it.
And Vanessa the Investigator finding out Paula’s dirt and telling his woman is on Kobe?
LMFAO!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Jhill….you seen movie Jungle Fever? Rember Spike telling his wife about Wesley lambing Italian baby? Come on you dont tell your woman that shhhhht ever. Kobe snitched bruh plain and simple and he did it on purpose cuz Kobe is not a dummy
May 10th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Snitchin is not solid under any circumstances. I’m sure we got more than a few snitches on this blog. Be in denial if you want but Kobe let the entire squad down with that punk move. I hate the Lakers but they no biz losing this series to Dallas under normal times. Amazing anyone can defend him. This is twice now
May 10th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Anyhow check yall later
May 10th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Vanessa is a snake, B.
I highly doubt Kobe wanted to sabatoge what is probably his last best chance to win a ring by sending Gasoft into I lost my girlfriend mode. That doesn’t make any sense at all.
Meanwhile it is well known around So Cal what a B Vanessa is, and how jealous and childish she is with all the other Laker wives. If she isn’t top B, she’s pouting. REAL jealous she didn’t get a reality show and Odom did, lol.
I mean, a real punk byiotch if ever there was one.
May 10th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Morning peoples!
May 10th, 2011 at 10:08 am
From a Rich Gannon tweet:
Love the fact that Jason Campbell and Richard Seymour are organizing player only workouts for the Raiders! Huge step. Leadership Baby!!!
Now if we can only get some Gannon’s leadership abilities to rub off on JCampbell.
Who says Gannon doesn’t still care? Too Bad AD has a problem with RG. He could really help mold JCampbell into a real winner.
May 10th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Jesus Christ, this blog reminds me of that BET show, “oh drama!”
May 10th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Here’s a few pics of Campbell working out w/ DHB, and Murph.
http://yfrog.com/h4k47hkj
May 10th, 2011 at 10:09 am
J Hill = Wendy Williams.
May 10th, 2011 at 10:11 am
id like to workout with that chick in the back lol
May 10th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Severeraiderz Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 10:11 am
id like to workout with that chick in the back lol
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Dude…you could barely see her! lol
May 10th, 2011 at 10:19 am
The chick in the back is Jason Campbell. Nothing wrong with it, Severe.
May 10th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Jason Campbell does look like Appolonia. I can see where you made the mistake, Severe.
May 10th, 2011 at 10:23 am
R8eray Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Severeraiderz Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 10:11 am
id like to workout with that chick in the back lol
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Dude…you could barely see her! lol
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Lol she really isn’t that cute actually but chances are she is the girlfriend or the relative of a Raider….Id like to have that on my resume lmao
May 10th, 2011 at 10:24 am
RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Jason Campbell does look like Appolonia. I can see where you made the mistake, Severe.
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WTF are u talking about???
May 10th, 2011 at 10:25 am
RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Jason Campbell does look like Appolonia. I can see where you made the mistake, Severe.
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Besides, JC looks like the heir to the Soul Glow empire
May 10th, 2011 at 10:31 am
LMAO at Soul Glow
Isn’t that from the Eddie Murphy movie Coming to America?
May 10th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Sorry about that news Hwnrdr. My thoughts to you and yours.
That Louis Murphy thing is so stupid. If he would have just cooperated in the first place nothing would have happened. He had to be a tough guy and be above the law. He doesnt get to question whether the cop had the right to bust him, thats the courts job. He should get a minimum 4 game suspension JUST for resisting arrest.
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That is crap! Murphy was charged with “non-violent” resisting arrest. Also the reason he was pulled over was for loud music, which is an offense that is up to the Officer’s discretion. The really stupidity on Murphy’s part was allowing the police to search his car volunteerily, but then again most people would not get charged for possession of viagra.
Sorry, not trying to call you, I just see it differently. I got pulled over when I was younger for playing music too “loud,” it was my Mom’s car and the cheapest stock stereo on the planet.
May 10th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Law enforcement has become revenue generators for the state. They are not competent enough to solve real crimes so they have become glorified meter maids.
If you want see a 17 year old kid busted for smoking a cigarette, cut down some pot plants, or dole out tickets for running a red light these lackeys are great at that. But if you have a missing child or need or find a serial killer these losers are no good at solving real crimes.
I have no respect for these turds as the government has dug into my pocket book enough I don’t need a fine for having expired tabs or not wearing my seatbelt, I have gave the damn state enough of my money!
May 10th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Eric La Salle. Ha ha!
May 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Jason Campbell in the ’80s:
http://tinyurl.com/2ewjbwb
May 10th, 2011 at 10:59 am
That is crap! Murphy was charged with “non-violent” resisting arrest. Also the reason he was pulled over was for loud music, which is an offense that is up to the Officer’s discretion. The really stupidity on Murphy’s part was allowing the police to search his car volunteerily, but then again most people would not get charged for possession of viagra.
Sorry, not trying to call you, I just see it differently. I got pulled over when I was younger for playing music too “loud,” it was my Mom’s car and the cheapest stock stereo on the planet.
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Yeah? Its not crap at all. The officers discretion was that the stereo was too loud. He was in an Escalade. The bottom of the line factory stereo in that vehicle is pretty damn loud. My brother owns one. I realize that its all BS charges, Murph should have simply pulled over took the loud music ticket (had he cooperated he likely would have simply been told to turn it down) and fought it in court if he truly felt he wasnt wrong. He could not produce the prescription, and the label was scratched off the bottle, which is why he was charged with the Viagra possession. So long as he produces the prescription that will get dropped in court, and quite simply he DID resist arrest. He refused to pull over for an officer. He is an idiot and should be treated accordingly.
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