Campbell on SiriusXM and PFT Live
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, May 10th, 2011 at 2:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell did interviews with SiriusXM Radio (Adam Schein and Rich Gannon) as well as Profooballtalk Live (Mike Florio) Tuesday, with the biggest news being that he and defensive tackle Richard Seymour are organizing a week long series of workouts. In both interviews, Campbell declined to disclose the site or time.
The PFT Live session included still photos of Campbell working out on a field with wide receivers Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey.
Some highlights from Campbell’s interviews:
The lockout
“It’s like being locked out of your own house. You can’t get in and use your own equipment, but at the same time, we’re making the most of it. I train with two trainers pretty much four days a week. Some of our receivers have come to town. We’re throwing passes to each other, then they go back to their workouts.”
PFT Live
The scheduled workouts
“Seymour and myself, we’re organizing a team workout for a whole week. I was able to get my playbook and everything. That gave me an opportunity to get guys on the field, we’re going to be able to run plays, and guys are excited about it . . . workout is cool, but at th same time, it will be god for the guys to get together and see each other, actually run some plays, do things as a team. We’re going to do it at a neutral site. We haven’t told people where we’re going to do it. We want it to be about the team, guys being together, able to talk and work together.”
PFT Live
“Seymour and myself have found a complex to use. The guys don’t really want us to tell where it’s going to be. We want it to be about us and our time to build our unity and continue to do the things we’re doing . . . we’ve called guys, making sure everybody is getting their flights on time and everybody can be at this certain location.”
SiriusXM
On a good turnout of players
“I get that sense. The ones that can. When you talk to guys they’re getting excited about being a unit again. It’s kind of like you’re glad when school let out, but now you’re ready for school to be back in.”
SiriusXM
Note: When asked to name players who would attend, Campbell said those expected to attend include running back Darren McFadden, wide receivers Heyward-Bey, Murphy and Jacoby Ford, defensive lineman Tommy Kelly and linebacker Quentin Groves. Campbell said he did not expect players not under contract _ a list which numbers more than 20 players _ to attend.
Talking to offensive coordinator Al Saunders
“Right before the lockout happened I flew to California and had an opportunity to go to the facility and talk with him . . . and get an insight of what direction we’re going in. The positive thing is I’ve had an opportunity to be with Al two years in Washington and now in Oakland. To have coach Jackson from last year, it’s refreshing because you’re not starting from scratch.”
SiriusXM
On his level of security being the Raiders starting quarterback
“I think it’s more deserving when when you feel like you earned it and something wasn’t just given to you. Last year started off rough. Things happened you don’t expect to happen, but you’ve got to work through it, push through it, continue to pray to God and he’ll lead you in the right direction. My main focus has been to get better and not just be a good quarterback in the NFL, but one day to be a great quarterback.”
Sirius XM
The development of Heyward-Bey
“I expect him to make that next stride. He made a dramatic improvement from Year 1 to Year 2, and I think a lot of that had to do with Hue Jackson, his mindset when he got here of pushing him to get to that next level. Darrius is a hard-working guy, and he runs all his routes full speed every day in practice. He wants to catch a lot of balls. He stays after practice, goes to the JUGS machine and catches balls. He’s bulkier, as far as the weight room, but like I told him, man, keep that speed.”
PFT Live
On Jackson being the guy to take the Raiders to the playoffs
“If you ever saw us practice in training camp or even during the season, you always hear his voice, because he’s always a high-energy guy. He doesn’t take anything for granted. He doesn’t like things to be done in slow motion . . . he doesn’t like complacency and he’s going to push everyone on the offense, and now everyone on the team because he’s the head coach. I like his energy and the way he goes about things as far as making guys compete.”
SiriusXM
His relationship with Al Davis
“In training camp, you know when that golf cart pulls on the practice field, everyone just turns around. The energy goes to another level. My relationship with him is good. He’s called me in the office before, he’s talked to me, and it’s not always about football. He askes me sometimes how I’m doing in my life, if there’s anything the Raiders can do to help. Last season, I went out to Oakland for the first time for OTAs, I come back home, and he calls when I got off my flight, just to make sure I made it safely, to make sure things are going good. That’s something that goes a long way with a player.”
SiriusXM
The selection of Steffen Wisniewski in the draft
“I was excited. He’s a big guy, he’s athletic. The good thing is he’s coming to a young team that will put its hands on him and make him feel real comfortable with all the players and the offense. It’s always good to see we’re doing things in a positive direction.”
SiriusXM
Winning the AFC West
“We look at it as being one game away from the playoffs last year because if we were able to pull one of those games out, the Jacksonville game maybe, it would have put us in a position to go to Kansas City and play for a playoff spot for the AFC West championship. I feel we have the team to compete. It’s going to depend on how many guys we lose in free agency . . . what guys do we pick up? What guys do we hold on to? And then get into camp, get going, and start building that chemistry.”
Sirius XM
Retaining Nnamdi Asomugha
“I think there’s always a chance. He’s been here seven, eight years. He played his college ball right down the street at the University of Cal. It’s pretty much going to come down to the contract offer and what are other teams going to offer, and how does he feel about moving forward. That’s a decision that Nnamdi has to make. He’s one of the best guys to play the position in the game and he’s a tremendous asset. In this game that we play, it’s a business, and at the end of the day there are going to be business decisions to be made before guys get on the field. He’s a great teammate. We’ll see what happens.”
PFT LIve
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May 10th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
JC is a class act.
May 10th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
#2
May 10th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
http://yfrog.com/h4k47hkj
Pics of J Campbell, L Murph, and DHB at the practice that he refers to in the article. If these three and Ford can get more production out of the WR corps, that’s going to bring balance to the O and make the run game even better. Way to be a leader, Campbell.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Yep, JC is a class act.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
When Jc came to oakland I was one of the few ( very few) to have anything good to say. i predicted that he would win the job, & improve our team. i predicted that he would become the leader on offense. i was right! campbell is the best qb we have had since the eighties in terms of talent. Finally his surrounding cast and coaches will put him in position to maximize his talents. We could be building a nucleus that gives a run at the superbowl over the next 3-5 years!!!!
Al Davis is a genius, dumping jamarcus and bring in JC was the right move. Hiring HU Jack and getting rid of that loser Cable was also a stroke of genius. Once again Al has identified a real talent for head coach and our offense is on the cutting edge!!!!
Bringing in a new coaching staff, and infusing it with raider greats is super exciting. especially having wiz on the o-line, and woodson and beikert coaching on defense. these guys know specifically what it takes to execute the schemes that we are going to run, and the draft was evidence of the influence of the new staff.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Jason Campbell is a good man. It’s just too bad Al Davis is using him as a pawn. Believe you mean, Campbell’s tenure in Oakland is not going to end well for him.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
“In training camp, you know when that golf cart pulls on the practice field, everyone just turns around. The energy goes to another level. My relationship with him is good. He’s called me in the office before, he’s talked to me, and it’s not always about football. He askes me sometimes how I’m doing in my life, if there’s anything the Raiders can do to help. Last season, I went out to Oakland for the first time for OTAs, I come back home, and he calls when I got off my flight, just to make sure I made it safely, to make sure things are going good. That’s something that goes a long way with a player.”
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Al!
May 10th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
6.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Jason Campbell is a good man. It’s just too bad Al Davis is using him as a pawn. Believe you mean, Campbell’s tenure in Oakland is not going to end well for him.
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No MR you just want it to end bad
May 10th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
“believe you me”, not believe you mean. Consider me a dyslexic genius.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Bauce, I have nothing against Jason Campbell. He’s doing everything he can. But it doesn’t matter what I think. It matters what’s going to happen. When is the last time a QB left here on good terms? And be careful if you’re to say Gannon. consider his statements as of recent.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
5.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
When Jc came to oakland I was one of the few ( very few) to have anything good to say. i predicted that he would win the job, & improve our team. i predicted that he would become the leader on offense. i was right! campbell is the best qb we have had since the eighties in terms of talent. Finally his surrounding cast and coaches will put him in position to maximize his talents. We could be building a nucleus that gives a run at the superbowl over the next 3-5 years!!!!
Al Davis is a genius, dumping jamarcus and bring in JC was the right move. Hiring HU Jack and getting rid of that loser Cable was also a stroke of genius. Once again Al has identified a real talent for head coach and our offense is on the cutting edge!!!!
Bringing in a new coaching staff, and infusing it with raider greats is super exciting. especially having wiz on the o-line, and woodson and beikert coaching on defense. these guys know specifically what it takes to execute the schemes that we are going to run, and the draft was evidence of the influence of the new staff.
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Whoa, Nelly, are you bipolar? Since you think Al’s such a genius, and strongly imply that all the pieces are in place, how bout a prediction for 2011?
And, by the way, to suggest that Campbell occupies the same status as Gannon is ludicrous.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@KK
So is Al Davis a Genius for getting JC for a 2012 4th round pick?
Considering Charlie Whitehurst was traded for a 2010 3rd rounder.
Matt Cassell was traded for a 2nd rounder. (Bill Williamson of BSPN could see Campbell surpasing Cassell this year.)
Come on, say it, Al Davis made a genius move…
May 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Al Davis is going to chew Jason Campbell up and spit him out. Jason Campbell is a true professional who takes the game seriously. He has the potential to be a decent QB on a good team. Al is going to maintain a hectic environment around Campbell (for starters, consider the ‘10-’11 off season…), and then he’ll eventually scapegoat Campbell for it all.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
10.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Bauce, I have nothing against Jason Campbell. He’s doing everything he can. But it doesn’t matter what I think. It matters what’s going to happen. When is the last time a QB left here on good terms? And be careful if you’re to say Gannon. consider his statements as of recent.
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LOL when Gannon left was it on bad terms? We not talking 2009-2011…..he was done after the 2004 season. Spare me.
MR you just upset that JC is an AL guy and you want us to fail in 2011
May 10th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
13.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Al Davis is going to chew Jason Campbell up and spit him out. Jason Campbell is a true professional who takes the game seriously. He has the potential to be a decent QB on a good team. Al is going to maintain a hectic environment around Campbell (for starters, consider the ‘10-’11 off season…), and then he’ll eventually scapegoat Campbell for it all.
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How exatly has this offseason been hectic for JC by the organization’s hand? Firing Cable was not hectic for JC lol, he is glad Cable is gone.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
“especially having wiz on the o-line”
Hell Yeah, I but JC can’t wait to bend him over and see if it is a good fit.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
12.DutchRaider77 Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@KK
So is Al Davis a Genius for getting JC for a 2012 4th round pick?
Considering Charlie Whitehurst was traded for a 2010 3rd rounder.
Matt Cassell was traded for a 2nd rounder. (Bill Williamson of BSPN could see Campbell surpasing Cassell this year.)
Come on, say it, Al Davis made a genius move…
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The move is promising thus far but until we win division in 2011 we cant call it a genius move
May 10th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Bauce, exactly. JC is an Al guy. When is the last time it ended well for an Al guy? Either Al’s guy sucks, or Al’s guy gets blamed and is certainly no longer Al’s guy on his way out the door. I think the latter is the case with Campbell.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Our offense needs a hammerhead FB to open holes for our RBs. A new power scheme should fit better for our offense. Bigger strong oline helps JC out even more. Run ball 35-40 times and pass 20-25 times a game. This is a model for success
May 10th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Bauce, firing a head coach who takes a team that hasn’t won more than 5 games in nearly a decade to 8 wins is hectic, by default. Players were calling in radio shows and voicing their frustration. That’s chaos. No way around it. That’s one of the many things that prevents QBs from growing here.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
18.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Bauce, exactly. JC is an Al guy. When is the last time it ended well for an Al guy? Either Al’s guy sucks, or Al’s guy gets blamed and is certainly no longer Al’s guy on his way out the door. I think the latter is the case with Campbell.
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LOL alot of players to this day still love Al. Hell even your beloved Jon Gruden is kissing his ass every chance he gets. You have no point here just causing trouble lol
May 10th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Al Davis has made several genius moves in recent years. What to do with his genius moves is where he has trouble. For about a decade now, Al Davis has had a tough time with results.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Jon Gruden kissing Al Davis’s ass? Ha ha. He has a better gig now.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Bauce
How sweet would it be if Tonga can actually be that man!
May 10th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
20.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Bauce, firing a head coach who takes a team that hasn’t won more than 5 games in nearly a decade to 8 wins is hectic, by default. Players were calling in radio shows and voicing their frustration. That’s chaos. No way around it. That’s one of the many things that prevents QBs from growing here.
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LOL a punter is upset really makes things hectic lol. The environment was hectic for JC under Cable because he did the GRad nonsense. A weight was lifted off the cat when Cable was canned. JC is the guy and there is much comfort in knowing that. So comfortable he is organizing workouts with his teammates
May 10th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
24.DutchRaider77 Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Bauce
How sweet would it be if Tonga can actually be that man!
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Yeah dude needs to be on the roster this season. Reece i a good weapon but he doesnt excel in run blocking. A fullback has to do that.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
22.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Al Davis has made several genius moves in recent years. What to do with his genius moves is where he has trouble. For about a decade now, Al Davis has had a tough time with results.
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Yeah he has and so have other guys before. Still we are assembling a good team here and the guys believe more in themselves and each other more than they have since 2003. Why even ignore this?
May 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Are you going to tell me that the Raiders didn’t view a pro bowler on their team calling into a radio show and voicing his frustration with their decision as a problem?
May 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Watch out RMR, we are going to miss quote for years with this!
“Al Davis has made several genius moves in recent years.”
May 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Uh, Brien, I’m “ignoring” this improvement because it hasn’t happened yet. They have to play the games, and win.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
23.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Jon Gruden kissing Al Davis’s ass? Ha ha. He has a better gig now.
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Yep on that gig he never bashes Al and always talks great things about the Raiders. Al discovered dude and gave him a shot
May 10th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
28.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Are you going to tell me that the Raiders didn’t view a pro bowler on their team calling into a radio show and voicing his frustration with their decision as a problem?
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Punter isnt the leader of a squad. No one wants to hear anyone voice displeasure but it doesnt cause chaos like you desire to happen.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Al Davis discovered Jon Gruden? How do you figure that?
May 10th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
So, Brien, you’re saying the Oakland Raiders had no problem whatsoever with a pro bowler on their payroll calling a radio show and voicing his frustrations with a decision of theirs?
May 10th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
I’m going to assume that because I posted this comment at the end of a thread, nobody saw it.
My thoughts on a “free market” NFL:
The draft is unfair to the players.
A player should be allowed to sign with any team that he chooses for any length of time.
A player should be allowed to refuse any trade.
The owners can insure a competitive league with revenue sharing and a mechanism to remove incompetent teams.
Anybody?
May 10th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
30.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Uh, Brien, I’m “ignoring” this improvement because it hasn’t happened yet. They have to play the games, and win.
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Wel if you cant see it buddy I dont know what to tell ya. We need a few more pieces but we arent in shambles liek before
May 10th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
33.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Al Davis discovered Jon Gruden? How do you figure that?
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For being a head coach? Come on who else did? Gruden shoulda been coach in 1997 but Al then realized his error and got dude.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
34.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
So, Brien, you’re saying the Oakland Raiders had no problem whatsoever with a pro bowler on their payroll calling a radio show and voicing his frustrations with a decision of theirs?
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Heard Al?
May 10th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
# ohioraider Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
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Whoa, Nelly, are you bipolar? Since you think Al’s such a genius, and strongly imply that all the pieces are in place, how bout a prediction for 2011?
And, by the way, to suggest that Campbell occupies the same status as Gannon is ludicrous.
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Campbell has way more talent than gannon ever had. Im not the only one who thinks so. want proof? Jason cambell first dround draft pick by offensive guru JOE GIBBS. Gannon was drafted to play safety.
I predict we will be in the playoffs next year.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Well Mistic….we better make playoffs. No excuses this year if there is a season.
JC does have his chance to silence all his critics. There will be new linemen and a new vet WR
May 10th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Brien, I can’t see it because it hasn’t happened yet. The first game of the 2011 NFL season is scheduled in September. If you have any highlights from any 2011 Raider games that I must have missed, feel free to post them. I’d like to see it.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Anyhow im bout to slide on out….yall stay solid….Go A’s only .5 game out.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
41.RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Brien, I can’t see it because it hasn’t happened yet. The first game of the 2011 NFL season is scheduled in September. If you have any highlights from any 2011 Raider games that I must have missed, feel free to post them. I’d like to see it.
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We have much more moementum headed into this season than we did in the last 8 years. That is not up for debate
May 10th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Well, Bauce, I understand Al Davis was the first to hire Gruden as a head coach. But to say Al Davis “discovered” Jon Gruden, as if he was out selling rattlesnakes in Arizona when Al hired him, is a bit of a stretch. Jon Gruden was the offensive coordinator of the Philadelphia Eagles when the Raiders hired him. Give me a break.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Bauce, actually the Raiders’ “momentum” is up for debate. Firing a head coach brings questions as to whether or not that head coach played a role in said “momentum”, and whether or not the Raiders will maintain that momentum in his absence. Once again, we won’t know until Hue Jackson’s Raiders take the field.
May 10th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Mistic, go to the 2:42 mark!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LbH5o4dmHA
May 10th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
BIG BAUCE!!!!! What up BIG Dogg??
May 10th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
As long as Brad Roll isn’t at these workouts, the risk of numerous pulled hammys should be low…
May 10th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
@Mistic,
I drink the Kool-Aid…
But a lot of people in the league lost faith/blamed Jason Campbell…
How did we get JC for a 2012 4th round pick, a former 1st rounder picked by Joe Gibbs?
Not like the Raiders won a bidding war to get him?
Guy was not a headcase or injury prone?
Hopefully will be a sweet story…
May 10th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
@Mistic,
I drink the Kool-Aid…
But a lot of people in the league lost faith/blamed Jason Campbell…
How did we get JC for a 2012 4th round pick, a former 1st rounder picked by Joe Gibbs?
Not like the Raiders won a bidding war to get him?
Guy was not a headcase or injury prone?
Hopefully will be a sweet story…
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We got Gannon for nothing. In fact, he was beat out by Elvis Grbac. We got Campbell for a conditional fourth wich hinges on either us making the playoffs or him making a pro bowl…if neither happens we got him for free as well
May 10th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Twocents Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
The draft is unfair to the players.
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• Nobody is forced to work for an employer and make a minimum of $450,000/yr. & full medical & dental coverage. If they feel this is imposition, go find a real job.
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A player should be allowed to sign with any team that he chooses for any length of time.
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Bad idea. Good teams get better & bad teams get worse to a point where there are not enough teams left for a league. The needs of the league are greater than that of the player.
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A player should be allowed to refuse any trade.
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They have that right now. If they choose not to play, they don’t have to. Of course they are not going to get paid either.
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The owners can insure a competitive league with revenue sharing and a mechanism to remove incompetent teams.
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Yes to the first-part. The second part is slippery slope. What constitutes incompetent teams? Who makes that determination? If under total control of the league and I believe this would fall into that category, the league would be subject to anti-trust violations. That would not be good for the league or football.
Just my opinions.
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May 10th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Bauce, actually the Raiders’ “momentum” is up for debate. Firing a head coach brings questions as to whether or not that head coach played a role in said “momentum”, and whether or not the Raiders will maintain that momentum in his absence. Once again, we won’t know until Hue Jackson’s Raiders take the field.
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Look at our offense with Cable in charge and the offense with Hue in charge….that should end that debate
May 10th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Let’s not forget that in addition to HuJack as HC we’ve also added a very legitimate OC, Al Saunders. Those are two key position upgrades that should provide significant bottom-line improvements.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Offensive play calling may have not been the only factor, Severe. Motivation and leadership could have been factors, too. We won’t know whether or not Cable’s absence will have an impact until the season gets under way.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@severeraiderz
Was not comparing Gannon to Campbell. Just think it is strange that a guy like Charlie Whitehurst got traded for a 2010 3rd rounder and Campbell went for 2012 4th rounder.
I agree we got Gannon off the scrap heap and I agree with Mistic that Campbell has more “talent” than Gannon.
Although, Gannon worked his @$$ off to be the man he was. I thought Gannon actually beat out Grbac, but the Chiefs went with the name over the better player? Not a big Grbac fan.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
John Conner would look awesome blocking for Run DMC
May 10th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Give Mistic1 credit he did call it on JC right after we traded for him and said the kid would make us better and I can’t see anything to convince me that that wont be the case…
Good job Mistic1
May 10th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@KK
So is Al Davis a Genius for getting JC for a 2012 4th round pick?
Considering Charlie Whitehurst was traded for a 2010 3rd rounder.
Matt Cassell was traded for a 2nd rounder. (Bill Williamson of BSPN could see Campbell surpasing Cassell this year.)
Come on, say it, Al Davis made a genius move…
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Al Davis has lost almost 60% of his games since 1989.
Genius Move? Don’t be stupid.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
The Redskins did the same thing Shanahan discarded JC like he was a afterthought. I gaurantee you there are Redskin fans that are ready to hang Shanahan. They still don’t have a QB unless you consider Rex Grossman your QB.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
JB,
Football is a real job and a dangerous one also. Let the individual player decide if it is worth it to him.
The players are the league. I don’t get your point on this one.
Incompetent teams are the teams that are not making a profit.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Offensive play calling may have not been the only factor, Severe. Motivation and leadership could have been factors, too. We won’t know whether or not Cable’s absence will have an impact until the season gets under way.
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Very correct, I’m sure motivation and leadership played a big role. Hue Jackson was the leader of the offense and he amped up the intensity and built a more competitive atmosphere in practice according to most players. He motivated the defense to play hard against the offense and vice versa. Tom Cable himself admitted that he took a more hands off approach with the team
May 10th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Give Mistic1 credit he did call it on JC right after we traded for him and said the kid would make us better and I can’t see anything to convince me that that wont be the case…
Good job Mistic1
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Yeah, he did get a lot of #$@!#$ right after the whiner game for his support of JC.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
# RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Offensive play calling may have not been the only factor, Severe. Motivation and leadership could have been factors, too. We won’t know whether or not Cable’s absence will have an impact until the season gets under way.
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Leadership is exactly what the loser cable lacked. He played favorites which clearly divided the locker room. He waffled more than aunt jemima, and his indecision cost us games. he also failed to improve the team where he was the supposed expert, offensive line. he even threw players under the bus after losses. He couldnt control his fist, and was overly impulsive. All of these prove beyond the shadow of a doubt, cable was no leader. He couldnt lead if he was first in line at the buffet! Cable sucked. he is in the same class as mike white and joe bugel…epic fails!
Hu jack comes on board and suddenly we win 8 games, that is no coincidence. AL Davis knew it, as did I, and you should too.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain
Al Davis has lost 57% of his games since 1989.
That is not the sign of a Genius, ok?
May 10th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Give Mistic1 credit he did call it on JC right after we traded for him and said the kid would make us better and I can’t see anything to convince me that that wont be the case…
Good job Mistic1
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I think most in the nation were happy initially. JC had many supporters (myself included), because he gave us a legitimate QB. After his initial struggles many jumped off the bandwagon, but Mistic remained his most vocal and consistent supporter.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@KK
So is Al Davis a Genius for getting JC for a 2012 4th round pick?
Considering Charlie Whitehurst was traded for a 2010 3rd rounder.
Matt Cassell was traded for a 2nd rounder. (Bill Williamson of BSPN could see Campbell surpasing Cassell this year.)
Come on, say it, Al Davis made a genius move…
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Al Davis has lost almost 60% of his games since 1989.
Genius Move? Don’t be stupid.
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Well I guess you are going on the record now saying that JC was not worth a 2012 4th round pick? I said “move,” not moves, that this one thing, the trade for JC was not worth it?
May 10th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Severe, we will not know Hue’s impact, Cable’s impact, anyone’s impact, until the season starts. It sounds to me like you want me to give credit to Hue Jackson for turning a team around when he’s yet to prove that he’s done so. In September, barring a lockout, we’ll find out if Hue was really the reason this team got better last year. There is no way of proving anything up this point. They have to play the games.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Well I guess you are going on the record now saying that JC was not worth a 2012 4th round pick? I said “move,” not moves, that this one thing, the trade for JC was not worth it?
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Did I say that? Post a link please?
May 10th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
“He couldnt lead if he was first in line at the buffet”
Whoa, Whoa there Mistic…
Just by looking at Cable, one could see he dominated the buffet line.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Mistic, we’re going to know in September whether or not this team misses Cable’s leadership. Hey, if we come out winning, and sustain that success late in the season, you’ll have called it. If we lose, on the other hand, what does that tell you? We’ll see. We have no way of knowing yet. It’s an INC. at this point.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Almost ALL Raider Fans were happy with the JC Move. Except the racist on here.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I bet you Nnamdi takes a pay cut and stays.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I’ve never seen any Al Davis Bootlicker, that didn’t think his every move was genius.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
@KK
“Did I say that? Post a link please?”
Dutch-Question. Al Davius trading for Campbell is a genius move?
KK-Answer. Genius Move? Don’t be stupid.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Twocents Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
JB,
Football is a real job and a dangerous one also. Let the individual player decide if it is worth it to him.
The players are the league. I don’t get your point on this one.
Incompetent teams are the teams that are not making a profit.
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Professional athletes are very fortunate to have the opportunities that most others don’t. My point was that while undertaking what could easily be considered a dangerous occupation, it is one that they choose. They don’t have to be a professional athlete making large sums of money comparatively, they choose to do so. There are rules and regulations that go with every job. They like others can choose to accept them of find alternate work elsewhere. Them, are the rules.
The players are not the league. The league is a consortium of players, owners, regulating bodies and the fanbase. If any of those are missing the league ceases to exist.
Actually, all teams are profitable primarily due to the profit sharing of the TV rights. Some are more profitable than others. That could be due to a lot of variables – their record of successes, the size of the city/fan base, the profits from licensed items like jerseys, hats, shirts, etc., attendance, the list goes on. Profitability is not an indicator of incompetence because it is impacted by so many other things that the team has no control over. There is definitely dumb ownership. You’d think it would be easily identifiable. It’s not! Take the Raiders for example. We’ve been in the tank for the last 8 years. Does that mean AD is incompetent? 50% of the fans will say yes and the other 50% will say no. So where do you go from there?
May 10th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Come on, say it, Al Davis made a genius move…
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I’ve never seen any Al Davis Bootlicker, that didn’t think his every move was genius.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Al Davis isn’t a genius. I don’t know what anyone could look at today and come to that conclusion. I guess some people just like to say it because it sounds good.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
JB, that’s pretty simple minded.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Cable was a fool who didn’t understand the magnitude of the situation he was in he needed to allow for stability all he did was push his stupid agendas. He was trying to get the media on his side just like that silly kid Kiffin. All he had to do was take the tools given him and do the best he could with them instead he’s playing untested rookies in psoitions they’ve never played benching starting QB’s 6qrtrs into the season. playing Olineman out of positions and challenging the guy brought in to help him succeed.
I think he was suspicious and paraniod to a certain extent which always leads to rash decisions..
May 10th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
JB
Players put Butt’s in the seats.
Not rules & regulations
NFL Owners
May 10th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I’ve never seen any Al Davis Bootlicker, that didn’t think his every move was genius.
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I’m an Al davis supporter but Jamarcus was an epic fail, I called it draft day lol. Passing on Oher hurt but drafting Veldheer helped to disguise that mistake. I was wrong about Raji, mainly wanting to stay away because i heard that he had work ethic issues and being shell shocked from Russell.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Players get paid because they can hit the Major League Fastball or Curveball.
Most emmfers can’t.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
priest, i’ll leave the theories as to why Cable was fired to you. I’m a results driven fan, for lack of a better description. We’ll know this fall if Cable is missed.
May 10th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@KK
I asked you one simple question? One move Al Davis made, was it Genius…
Even RMR admits that “Al Davis has made several genius moves in recent years.” (Told you it would come back to bite you.)
May 10th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
I love the fact JC (along w/ Seymour) is showing his leadership and getting the felluz together. JCs a hard working humble guy with enormous talent similar to DHB and similar to DHB the jurys still out on JC. I hope Mitics right but Mistic also said Troy Smith would be a stud and that hasn’t panned out so far…
May 10th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
@KK
I asked you one simple question? One move Al Davis made, was it Genius…
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HELL NO gawdammit.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
JB, that’s pretty simple minded.
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What part?
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KoolKell Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
JB
Players put Butt’s in the seats.
Not rules & regulations
NFL Owners
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Sorry KK. I don’t agree. It’s WINS that put butts in seats. It’s the right combination of ownership, coaching, players & rules that produce WINS. Without rules there’d be anarchy and the game would become Rollerball Revisited. Without the owners who are willing to pay for the talent, WINS don’t happen. The Bills are a good example of that. It takes all 4 pieces to make a success.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
If JC hits it big Mistic1 called it……….period
May 10th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Where you go from there is that the Raiders can sell their franchise or be removed from the league. It is all a matter of contract law.
As to your point that professional athletes are more fortunate than others, there are people in every endeavor that are more competent that others, so what?
My point is that competition creates the best product and that the people that play the sport should be allowed to choose for whom and for what price they do so.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
@inonewordraider
DHB better be working his @$$ off, he got slammed once again this year during the draft (and NFL network), when they were talking about the Maryland receiver this year.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Sorry KK. I don’t agree. It’s WINS that put butts in seats. It’s the right combination of ownership, coaching, players & rules that produce WINS.
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JB, agreed.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
I liked the Seymour trade and the JC trade.
Genius don’t be silly.
Just because he gave a couple of interviews today, seriously? You people.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
I liked the Seymour trade and the JC trade.
Genius don’t be silly.
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It’s progress!
May 10th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
It’s progress. But 82 year old guys, don’t change their stripes too often.
No OTA’s yet, No Camp. I’m waiting for the other schitty shoe to drop
May 10th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Those two trades got this thing going in the right direction which is what he knew would happen. He jumped all over that Seymour deal, because he could believe they were really stupid enough to do it. Seymour was just what he was looking for. He tried it with Sapp and Moss but both are way to selfish. These two are team guys thru and thru.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
morilla Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I bet you Nnamdi takes a pay cut and stays
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I’ll take that bet! As much as I wish he’d stay, Nnamdi’s a gonner.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
I really wonder if Nnamdi was still under contract would he lead like Seymour is doing? Nnamdi is a great guy great player but I always questioned his leadership qualities. Our secondary never really excelled with him here I wonder if these young guys like Branch and Mitchell are capable of leading?
May 10th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
2¢
The league doesn’t own the Raiders, the Raider investors do. The problem with your theory is that no owner would agree to that for fear that it could in the future apply to them. The franchise laws by which they are governed can’t be changed after the fact without agreement by all. And, an incompetence removal rule is not going to be implemented at this time. Why should it. What they are doing now generates $9 Billion a year. Not exactly a failure. If it’s not broken, don’t fix it.
The second point was if they are not happen with the set of rules in-place & agreed to by their representatives, go do something else somewhere else. I don’t feel a lot of empathy for the working conditions of multi-millionaires. I do however believe their representatives should do more for he veteran players & a lot less (salary-caps) for rookies. That approach better rewards players who help make the league successful. The $36 Million dollar bust stories like JaLoser are the poster pictures of what’s really broken with the system.
Your last point, while sounding good simply won’t work. Players can be drafted by a team but hey do not have to play for them. They can hold out, without pay of course, and become a free agent. They can then go where they want as long as the receiving team is willing to pay the price. They already are doing half of what you suggest. hey are getting their price or the offered price thy agree to.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Id like to get Cromartie because Namndi is gone. zhe is exactly the type of corner that Al Davis loves, and will be at least 5 million dollars cheaper.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I can gaurantee you one thing for sure if Big Al was sure that Nnamdi would lead like Seymour there would be no question about Nnamdi staying. Because Big Al would make him an offer he can’t refuse………period
May 10th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I love hearing about Seymour & the defensive guys coming together, but I’ve got a question. Without coaching, how can the defense improve by getting together? I see how it helps the offense w/ timing between the qb, recievers and backs – even the center-qb exchange. But what will the defense as a unit get other than some camaraderie?
May 10th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
happen=happy
May 10th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I can gaurantee you one thing for sure if Big Al was sure that Nnamdi would lead like Seymour there would be no question about Nnamdi staying. Because Big Al would make him an offer he can’t refuse………period
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We don’t know hat this may still happen. AD may just be waiting to see what the high bid is. AD usually keeps a player he wants to keep – even if it’s year by year.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
@JB
Your last point, while sounding good simply won’t work. Players can be drafted by a team but hey do not have to play for them. They can hold out, without pay of course, and become a free agent.
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Yes but with a heavy penalty, like a year out of your career??? That’s a real penalty, and a legal one.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
RaiderFanFromJersey Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I love hearing about Seymour & the defensive guys coming together, but I’ve got a question. Without coaching, how can the defense improve by getting together? I see how it helps the offense w/ timing between the qb, recievers and backs – even the center-qb exchange. But what will the defense as a unit get other than some camaraderie?
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Pass rush drills, ball skills, conditioning….etc, etc
May 10th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
@JB
Your last point, while sounding good simply won’t work. Players can be drafted by a team but hey do not have to play for them. They can hold out, without pay of course, and become a free agent.
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Yes but with a heavy penalty, like a year out of your career??? That’s a real penalty, and a legal one.
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Very true KK. That’s why it seldom happens. My point was that if somebody REALLY felt strongly about not playing for a team that drafted them, there is a option – a very expensive one.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Very true KK. That’s why it seldom happens. My point was that if somebody REALLY felt strongly about not playing for a team that drafted them, there is a option – a very expensive one.
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My point is, that’s not a fair legal option.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
It’s not a viable option.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
It’s a barrier to entry.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Very true KK. That’s why it seldom happens. My point was that if somebody REALLY felt strongly about not playing for a team that drafted them, there is a option – a very expensive one.
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My point is, that’s not a fair legal option.
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I’m not really sure about the legality. Isn’t the current system a result of an Anti-Trust suit against the league. If so, it’s probably considered legal according to the current laws in place. Just my guess.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
JB, you just seemed to repeat yourself a lot, and say things we all already know. Players have a choice whether or not to play a dangerous sport? lol. come on. I think we got that memo. No big, though. I’m just busting your chops.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
severeraiderz Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
RaiderFanFromJersey Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I love hearing about Seymour & the defensive guys coming together, but I’ve got a question. Without coaching, how can the defense improve by getting together? I see how it helps the offense w/ timing between the qb, recievers and backs – even the center-qb exchange. But what will the defense as a unit get other than some camaraderie?
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I suppose the vets could lead those drills but w/o the position guys to “coach em up” on schemes & what-not…I just wish this lock out were over so minicamps could be happenin & we’d have “real” football activities to discuss not these faux practices.
At any rate, I love the leadreship JC & Seymour are showing. Lets just get it done w/ the new look staff, let them put their mark on the guys…
May 10th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
JB, why are you lecturing us? I hate to burst your bubble, but you haven’t said one thing yet that we don’t already know.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Yes, they have anti-trust exemptions, that most business’ don’t have in the Free-Enterprise System.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
It may go back to the overall good of the league outweighing an individual’s rights. In this case the health of the league is more important than any individual player. Like I said earlier, all systems require a set of rules for continued continuity. Letting players go where they choose without team/league balance would quickly diminish the number of viable teams which would ultimately result in a league failure. There needs to be a team balancing tool and the draft right now is that tool.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
RAIDER Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
JB, why are you lecturing us? I hate to burst your bubble, but you haven’t said one thing yet that we don’t already know.
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I was directly responding to posts from 2¢ & KK.
I’m not trying to lecture anyone here, just answering & responding to points they’ve made or asked.
I guess it’s like being at the next table. Sometimes he overheard discussions seems fragmented or nonsensical. I guess you just have to be at the table to get the point.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Yes the Leagues have governing rules. Who they favor is a matter of opinion, I guess. Hence the Lockout, and Lawsuits.
Football rules seem to be more “socialistic” to the owners.
Revenue sharing, strict player entry rules.
More than Baseball or Basketball, where teams operate like indivudual business’ instead of a syndicate.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
JB, you can directly respond to a comment by keeping it short and not assuming the person you’re responding to to be so glib about how the world works. Again, you’re saying nothing new. Players have a choice whether or not to enter this profession? Wow. Enlightening.
May 10th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Will Ochocino be a Raider this year? I think so. Nation what do you think???
May 10th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I don’t see DHB changing #s again so it’ll probably be as Chad Johnson again. Either way, does Al go for it? If not him, which vet WR???
May 10th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
@KK
Whatever they are doing is not all that bad hence the results: AMERICA’s #1 sport, $9 Billoion/yr profit, realistic expansion capability, an underlying support system that works and what appears to be a sport not impacted or run by fraudulent parties.
Are there things that need changing? You bet. The recent decisions (rules) limiting hits, while not necessarily popular, the right decisions to keep the players viable. There are other areas like rookie salary caps that could go a long way to reward the right people for their efforts. Viewed differently, it could also benefit the Rookie. a 21 year old kid with millions in his pocket is an accident waiting to happen. It could also be viewed as a dis-incentive for the rookie to work hard at their craft – witness JaLoser.
I’d really like to set a flat salary level based on round selected. UDFA would be an entry level. There would be a 4 year contact for all drafted players with a 2 year option. Players drafted #1-10 would get a signing bonus based on their draft number. The money saved by this approach could hen be spent on UFA’s who’ve proven their worth. That approach, IMO, would make the league better for all concerned.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
They need somebody, Might as well be Chad Johnson.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
JB
Average NFL player salary: $1.9 million
• Median NFL player salary: $770,000
• Average NFL career length: 3.5 years
• Number of players on injured reserve in 2010: 352
There’s 2 sides to every story. I’m a Labor guy.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
NFL Owners = Pimps.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
What about all the unfortunate players who wind up in Oakland, playing for Al Davis, eh?
May 10th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
I just don’t like Chad Johnson’s game anymore. Too flamboyant. I think the Raiders really will stick with what they have at least for another year.
They drafted a few more WRs. CJ is a headcase and he was outshined by TO playing second fiddle. He probaly isn’t as good as he once was or at least not as good as TO.
Steve Smith above all would be the most intriguing but the problem is we already have a Steve Smith look alike (i.e. J.Ford).
At the end of the day I think there is a high probability (north of 60% chance) that they go with the current roster of WRs.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Have you ever noticed that when people have satisfied their basic needs of food and shelter, when the specter of their death is remote, they begin to play games. The American Indians played La Crosse, the Scots invented golf, the Americans invented baseball, basketball and American football. Games are the occupation of a wealthy, secure society. When the people have no time for games, there is something seriously wrong with a society.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Yep …they will likely go with what they have.
J.Ford has virtually proven himself as a playmaker. That makes 1. They will bet on Murphy, DHB or Chaz making 2 (chances are DHB). And they already drafted another WR in Moore who will more than likely make the roster with the rest.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
If the Raiders do any FA dealing I think it’ll be on the OL and DBs. But expect a quite FA.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
I don’t think Louis Murphy progressed at all last year. I think he re-gressed.
Chaz Schillens cannot be depended on, again. Nice bonus piece to add to a good WR Corp.
Darrius Heyward Bey……..he possibly catches 3 passes per game this year.
I would think a Vet WR is a serious need for the Raiders trying to make a move.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Chad Johnson talks a lot of smack, but he aint no trouble maker. And, he loves to catch the ball.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Quite frankly the only WRs that may be out there that may interest the Raiders are Vincent Jackson and Sydney Rice. Steve Smith (CAR) would be of interest but we already have J.Ford.
To be sure, VJ would be the only real possible as far as I can judge it.
(But then again, VJ is pretty much DHB, except he can now catch so I don’t think they would stump DHB progress and give him 1 more year to prove himself)
May 10th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
I don’t think Murphy regressed, but he certainly didn’t make any noticeable strides. Hopefully that was just because he was learning a new offense, but we’ll see. He’s a good enough #3 WR for now. We’ll see if he can put up some solid numbers in his second year under Hue, but he’s definitely going to have some competition for playing time if Denarius Moore is half the player he’s purported to be.
A healthy Chaz would indeed be a bonus, but shouldn’t be counted on to be a starter.
DHB and Ford are the guys who are going to have to step up for this Raiders offense.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
If Ocho wants to reunite with Hue Jackson, at a reasonable price……jump on it.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
You see that decision is not so easy when you get down to it and try to judge what you got or may have going forward. We have a lot of the same type of players that are out there in FA.
VJ = DHB type (but with better hands so far)
Smith = JFord type
Then we have Murphy, Chaz and Moore.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
I tend to agree T’pin I just think if he were to do it it would’ve happened last year. I think he’ll stay pat and let the young guys rise up. They already have gone through the growing pains and the addition of Ford as a full time rec kind of fills the need. I think Chaz Murphy DHB Ford and DMoore is what you’ll see with maybe Ausberry cracking the lineup late in the year.
Had they not gotten a player like DMoore I’d be more inclined to think they would bring in a vet. If Moore shows them what they want to see I cannot see a vet coming in at all.
May 10th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
We don’t have an Ocho Cinco type. But I doubt if they want him anyways. Unless Hue makes the call and says bring him in.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
I just don’t want the over the top me=ism from Chad. We don’t need it. he’s lost too much IMO he was once a tremmendous threat now he’s not a helluva lot better than Murphy for my money. I think people are thinking of Chad 3 years ago. The guy now is on the downstroke he’s not a great player anymore.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
If we got a sure fire dominant rec I’m all for it I’m not interested in a has been.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
DHB would do well to be around a guy like Ocho. Talk a little schit, bring some attitude.
Be around a Pro’s Pro.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Whats your projection of Ausberry? TE, FB or WR ..seems he can go plenty ways.
I think he’ll be practice squad for now much like Reece before his transition.
I think you have to be cognizant of ZMiller potentially slowing down from the foot injury.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
I think Ocho could do for the WR’s , what Seymour did for the D-Line.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
I think Murphy & DHB would do well being around a NFL WR personality.
They need a Leader.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Ford was great for us down the stretch & I look forward to seeing him improve this season, but other than fragile schillens, there are no proven sure hands on the team. I know Al likes these guys & I like their character, but I dont like their production. Character doesn’t win games…
May 10th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
There’s nothing Chad has that I want DHB to learn quite honestly. When I read Campbell’s comments above my opinion of DHB change I think that kid is ready and Chad would take away reps. DHB desparately needs reps and as many opportunties to make plays as possible. The same with Ford and Chaz and Murphy. Camp’s comment about DHB getting even bigger (smile) with that kind of speed he just needs to have some success that is all he needs………….period
May 10th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
I have a sneaking suspicion DHB is ready to shock the world, I’m basing it all on what Camp said DHB made the jump from a physical standpoint now he’s going to make it from a confidence standpoint. JMHO!
May 10th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Priesttj, I hope u & campbell are right about DHB, but I dont buy it. It sounds like the company line. I dont doubt his work ethic but as a wr, you either have good hands or u dont. So far, DHB has shown that he doesn’t. I want somebody that wants the ball & catches it. Chad may or may not be the answer, but I just dont see DHB being it either, I hope I’m wrong about him tho.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
I hope so. Jerry thought he was going to breakout last year based on his preseason/practices but the actual season disappointed. Funny thing, Jerry also thought Routt was going to breakout 2 season prior based on his practices but it happened 1 season later (he was replaced by CJ 2 seasons ago and started last season). Maybe it’ll be our futune that DHB breaks out this season for sure.
Boy would that be a good thing. For Al Davis to have the last laugh on that would really take the cake. For all those analyst to have to eat their own words. That would be too good to come true.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
futune? “fortune”
May 10th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
There’s nothing Chad has that I want DHB to learn quite honestly
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How about how to catch the ball in traffic?
Schit, how about how to catch the ball period.
How about how to make the Pro-Bowl?
May 10th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Oh yeah. Same with Huff. Man, this thing is getting errie.
As I recall, Jerry opined that he thought Huff was going to breakout based on practices a whole season before Huff finally caught on.
That makes Huff, Routt (and DHB?) …I only hope so.
May 10th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Am I the only one who remembers Jerrry’s prognostications?
May 10th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
How about how to catch the ball in traffic?Schit, how about how to catch the ball period.
How about how to make the Pro-Bowl?
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I’d go 4 any or all of those. Catching the ball period being the most important
May 10th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
At this point DHB needs to just have some success 2 years ago a vet would’ve had a huge impact on him. Now all a vet would do is take away reps. We need to see if this kid is going to take off he’s seen the NFL now he’s seen the tricks they play how they bump him off his routes and frustrate him. I think the kid is ready to give them some of their own medicine.
It’s very commone for a young WR to develope and show his stuff in his 3rd year. People think he can’t catch but if you study DHB that isn’t his problem his problem is finishing the play. DB’s know that if they get physical with him he tends to lose focus and concentration. Which is common with young WR’s once they understand how to combat that is when they start produce. He can catch he just needed to mature to the point where the competition isn’t new to him. Also this kid is in his 6th season as a rec’r he’s actually learned the position in the pros. I think his time is now. So we’ll soon see…
May 10th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
I think HueJax and Ocho could put some fire up the arrzzz’s of the WR Corp.
Just an Idea.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
T’pin I’ve always said it starts first in practice when they start to dominate in practice it’s not very long before they do it on Sunday. This kid was a beast in camp I think when he got undeer the lights he puts pressure on himself because he wants to succeed so bad.
That is just a function of maturity, he’s failed enough that he knows what he’s doing wrong and he’s hellbent to fix it. That’s what I get from Camp’s comments. You don’t do what this kid is doing just to do it. He’s pissed and he aint gonna take it anymore. He’s gonna dish some out.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Priettj, can you give an example of a WR that took so long to develop, then become a play maker? Don’t get me wrong, I hope hope the best for DHB but I just don’t see it happening.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Chad isn’t needed Hue is plenty. These kids are getting ready to put their stamp on this team I can feel it. If they bring in someone he’s going to be a GREAT player. Someone like when we brought in Moss Mr Davis is not going to take reps away from these kids for some has been…………..period
May 10th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
For some reason, and I don’t know why, I think Bruce Campbell is the young talent he could be. A decent G would be very momentous for this offesnse.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Raidersd for life their are hundreds of them. We ahve two potential HOF’s taht took as ;long as DHB and even longer. Their names are Cliff Branch and Fred Biletnikof.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Cool. I’m out.
Completely, unrelated ….Ive been looking at this all week …how much I make vs the populous and its very interesting. How much do you all think is a lot of money for 1 person to make? Just curious
May 10th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
I guess I’m curious what is considered rich. Not talking about me per say; but just curious. The breakout of income per household and the quartile rankings is not what I expected I would say.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Chad isn’t needed Hue is plenty. These kids are getting ready to put their stamp on this team I can feel it. If they bring in someone he’s going to be a GREAT player. Someone like when we brought in Moss Mr Davis is not going to take reps away from these kids for some has been…………..period
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“I need more reps.” – Chad OchoCinco
May 10th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
160.priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Raidersd for life their are hundreds of them. We ahve two potential HOF’s taht took as ;long as DHB and even longer. Their names are Cliff Branch and Fred Biletnikof.
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Ok, but to be more specific….Name a receiver within the past decade. Did Tim Brown take 3-4 yrs to become a great WR?
May 10th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Raiders for life Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 8:06 pmPriettj, can you give an example of a WR that took so long to develop, then become a play maker? Don’t get me wrong, I hope hope the best for DHB but I just don’t see it happening.
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A little before my time to speak from 1st hand knowledge, but old timers tell me cliff branch had similar struggles early in his career & turned out to be one of our legends. If anyone out there can confirm or deny that, I’d appreciate it.
Priesttj, I agree w u on his desire & tireless work ethic paying off eventually. I hope it does soon. He may never live up 2 his draft status but becoming a solid wr, soon is all I ask
May 10th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
I tend to think Al likes receivers that have to find their way before the get it. He does make sure they have a lot of speed, but a lot have suspect hands and have recently been unheralded college players. To think Tim Brown was a Heisman Winner! We haven’t seen that kind of WR in a while. We had our chance with Crabtree, but we passed.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
3-4 years to become a great player? How about a serviceable player in DHB’s case.
And Cliff Branch didn’t get handed a starting job. He didn’t start until his 3rd year. His 3rd year was a motha, though.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
priest, if DHB were a Bronco, what would you say about him? Don’t answer. I can just cut and paste any of the critical comments here about DHB, and that would be it. Voila.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Kell, u recall where branch was drafted. I think that has everything 2 do w DHB being given the starting job
May 10th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
No one said he’s going to be a great rec this year I just think he’s going to be a factor in this offense it wouldn’t surprise me if he led this team in rec’g will that make him great who knows. I see 50+ rec’s and 800+ yeards.
What did he have last year? I think 29 rec’s and he only had one good game.
May 10th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Even if it’s true that it took Cliff Branch a long time to develop, what could that possibly have to do with DHB? That was in the early 1970s! There is very little about that era of NFL team building that is applicable today. Different game. Different rules. Different business. What gives?
May 10th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Yeah, Branch was drafted in the 4th round, as DHB should have been.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BranCl00.htm
May 10th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Post#166 are you serious???? LOL he LIKES players who can’t play…….I’ve never heard something so ridiculous you obviously are a young Raider fan. Because you could n’t have seen players like Mervyn Fernandez, James Lofton, Warren Wells. You cannot see into the future no one knew DHB would struggle like he has and no one knew Ford would bust out as a rookie. You draft players with the expectation that they will struggle to some extent. BUT to prefer it is LUNACY!!
May 10th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
OK the dumbell train is rolling now, I don’t havetime for foolishness…..
Adios!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Raider,
We’re raider nation, all of our young players are compared to the great playas from yesteryear. Coach Davis knows great playas when he sees them. JC=plunket, DHB = the next great raida receiva, etc…
May 10th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 8:56 pmYeah, Branch was drafted in the 4th round, as DHB should have been.
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Couldn’t agree more w that statement
May 10th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Ok Nation, great chat! Til next time,
Peace!
May 10th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
DHB = the next great raida receiva, etc…
this is a long shot he cant catch
May 10th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
174.priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
OK the dumbell train is rolling now, I don’t havetime for foolishness…..
Adios!
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Bro you’re probably the silliest person on this blog. Let’s not get carried away.
May 10th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Yeah 510 You got me pegged….what a joke!!
May 10th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Like I said the dumbell train rolls on…
May 10th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Anybody who thinks DHB would’ve lasted until the 4th rnd wasn’t payin’ much attention to that draft. DHB was widely considered a 1st rnd pick. Now before the draft I said he should probably go in the 2nd but he wouldn’t have gotten out of the 1st rnd and the Raiders knew it. Thus the pick…
May 10th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Hey Lefty12 where are you man, I can’t take these guys……….holla!!
May 10th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
183.priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Hey Lefty12 where are you man, I can’t take these guys……….holla!!
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Hollering for another dudes help cause they can’t take a little criticism? That’s pretty silly. Thank God DHBs not as sensitive as you.
May 10th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
183.priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Hey Lefty12 where are you man, I can’t take these guys……….holla!!
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Hollering for another dudes help cause you can’t take a little criticism? That’s pretty silly. Thank God DHBs not as sensitive as you.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:03 am
510 It’s just that game recognizes game, game also recognizes the lack there of. Bye!
May 11th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Jerry McDonald? The best…
Nite Raider Nation.
May 11th, 2011 at 4:38 am
Yes there is a precedence with WR’s waiting until their 3rd year to become good (Branch,Bowe, Roddy White, Marvin Harrison, etc)
However, those guys became great week 1 of their 3rd season. Branch led the NFL in TD receptions his 3rd year. White and Bowe had 1,200+ yards and Pro Bowl seasons their 3rd year.
If DHB goes into Denver and Buffalo weeks 1 and 2, and has his typical 2 catches for 26 yards, we can pretty much assume that the proverbial “corner” will not have been turned.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:55 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
I think that is a good thing that started with Brees in NO. I like the fact that JC wants to be the leader of the team!
May 11th, 2011 at 5:57 am
When asked to name players who would attend, Campbell said those expected to attend include running back Darren McFadden, wide receivers Heyward-Bey, Murphy and Jacoby Ford, defensive lineman Tommy Kelly and linebacker Quentin Groves.
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JCamp working with his Top 3 WR’s can only be a good thing. props to DMAC as well!
Darren McFadden = Pro Bowler this year
Print That
May 11th, 2011 at 6:00 am
Good Morning Rockstar! Long time since I seen you here around this time…how you been, man? How’s the fam?
May 11th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Jason Campbell & Richard Seymour are both “Bible Thumpers” as the phrase goes by most liberals on this site.
Odd that they are the 2 men responsible for working when they don’t have to and showing leadership in the offseason. Right?
I wonder what spin these blogturds will put on it to make JC & RS sound like bad guys due to their faith
I mean, isn’t that why everybody hated Tebow before he was ever even drafted by Denver?
May 11th, 2011 at 6:04 am
About Chad Johnson.
I said it before, I think 85 would be a huge hit with the fans and I’m sure the black hole would love this guy, can you imagine his celebrations over there?.
And he’ll provide this low-key Raiders team with a brash, entertaining personality, so the press would be all over him and off guys under some pressure like JC and the young WR’s.
As a P.R. move it would be a hit as long as we are winning enough games to remain in the playoff hunt and provided 85 brings some decent production on the field.
I don’t see 90-1200-9 coming from him, but 60-800-6 should be enough … otherwise all the attention he garners will turn into a distraction as people start questioning his numbers.
I also have to agree with old man Kell when he says 85’s attitude might light a fire under DHB and Murphy while keeping the locker room loose with his antics, his act will get old after a couple of years but right now it could be a positive.
Finally, we’ll need to evaluate how 85’s leadership and personality will mesh with JC and Seymour who have emerged as the leaders of this team.
Definitely a move that needs to be considered.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:21 am
Somebody mentioned Santana Moss the other day, he’s an interesting option as well.
In terms of production, Moss is a year younger than 85 and he went for 93-1115-6 last year, a lot more than 85’s 67-831-4.
And Santana was a strong Campbell supporter in D.C. so chemistry should not be a problem, they played together for 5 years and have experience under Al Saunders.
The connections are there so Santana’s learning curve in Oakland would not be an issue.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:29 am
DHB needs to be released, he is a bust. Then, hopefully, someone in our division will pick him up and waste a roster spot.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:32 am
And I know the young players need to see the field, but I’m not willing to wait for Chaz to be healthy, I could see us going with a veteran next to DHB, Murphy, Ford and Moore, carry 6 WR’s if Chaz is ready … we’ll see how long he can go.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:27 am
#193, agree with all the reasons to bring in Chad Johnson. Al should make it incentive laden to get him to bust his tail, and light a fire under DHB and Murphy. And the Black Hole would love the guy.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Not a big Santana Moss guy. He’s another speedy smurf receiver, and we have all we need in Ford.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:35 am
Speaking of Ford, in the back half of last year, he was like a secret weapon in some games and then almost forgotten about in subsequent games. I am hoping that Ford gets the chance to contribute on a more even keel throughout the season. He has the talent to be a Steve Smith (Carolina) star if they create more opportunities for him.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:45 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Jason Campbell & Richard Seymour are both “Bible Thumpers” as the phrase goes by most liberals on this site.
I wonder what spin these blogturds will put on it to make JC & RS sound like bad guys due to their faith
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huh?
don’t think i’ve ever seen a post that said: “you know it’s good an everything that these guys are being leaders but it’s only because they are conservative bible thumpers”
never seen anyone try to make religion relevant to football…you are the first
May 11th, 2011 at 7:51 am
free agency?
we don’t necessarily need to bring in a WR to contribute heavily so steve smith, ocho, owens…forget about it. we have way too much young talent at the position that we need to let blossom (hopefully) this year. i can see maybe after a few games if DHB is not producing and schilens is hurt. that is why i bang the drum for santana moss. not because i think he would have 1000+ yrds receiving but because he would help DHB get 1000+ yrds receiving in my opinion by mentoring. not to mention he would rotate in flawlessly and with the lockout threatening camps would have instant chemistry with campbell. AND he would be okay with not being #1 on the depth chart which we all know the others would not be happy about.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Santana moss might not be a bad idea!!
May 11th, 2011 at 8:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Jason Campbell & Richard Seymour are both “Bible Thumpers” as the phrase goes by most liberals on this site.
Odd that they are the 2 men responsible for working when they don’t have to and showing leadership in the offseason. Right?
I wonder what spin these blogturds will put on it to make JC & RS sound like bad guys due to their faith
I mean, isn’t that why everybody hated Tebow before he was ever even drafted by Denver?
You mean the same Richard Seymour threw landed a right cross on Rapelisbergers chin? Liberals shouldn’t have a problem with religion but all Americans should have embrace the seperation of church and state.
May 11th, 2011 at 8:24 am
The league has been built on the success of cooperation and compromise, with the two sides getting a little better deal here, a little worse deal there. By opening up the anti-trust can of worms, the players threaten the very foundation upon which both sides have profited. Rather than negotiate because they feel they don’t have to, they are placing the league in jeopardy and at the hands of the judicial branch. Nobody wants this, not even the players.
Ultimately, I think a deal gets struck because I don’t think the players really want to go through the pain of missing paychecks. But, if they do long-term damage to the league because of this…
I go back to my original stance all along…F’ the players
May 11th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Why you want to bring up religion in football? I respect Tebow the man, as I do Campbell and Seymour. And Seymour decking Rapistberger doesn’t bother me a bit.
May 11th, 2011 at 8:33 am
MR. Lonely is off his MEDS again.
May 11th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Bible Thumpers, Liberals term? Conservatives don’t use Bible Thumpers? Please stick to football dude. Honestly, your statement really makes no sense.
So Jason & Richard are God fearing leaders, fantastic.
I respect tebow as well. As a matter of fact I respect all three guys but don’t get criticism of a players on the field play mixed up with their religious beliefs. Tebow as a person, Christian and a leader is great. Now on the field as an NFL QB is entirely different. I wish him well but when he plays the Raiders I am praying that he does not win. : )
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203.inonewordraider Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 8:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Jason Campbell & Richard Seymour are both “Bible Thumpers” as the phrase goes by most liberals on this site.
Odd that they are the 2 men responsible for working when they don’t have to and showing leadership in the offseason. Right?
I wonder what spin these blogturds will put on it to make JC & RS sound like bad guys due to their faith
I mean, isn’t that why everybody hated Tebow before he was ever even drafted by Denver?
You mean the same Richard Seymour threw landed a right cross on Rapelisbergers chin? Liberals shouldn’t have a problem with religion but all Americans should have embrace the seperation of church and state.
May 11th, 2011 at 8:56 am
#193 Marley – I hear you dude but I think Al is done with the High PR players. I think Moss, Walker, and Hall was enough for him to deal with then after Jamarcus that was it for him.
Al has not made a move on any draft or free agent talent that had Diva tags or Big PR issues.
Not to mention Darrell Russell and Todd “RIP” Marinovich.
I think this franchise is moving into another direction when it comes to evaluating talent. They have just been burned to much by character issues.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Rockstar, I said days ago that Campbell is a bible thumper, too. I also said the difference between bible thumpers like Campbell and tools like Tebow is that guys like Campbell don’t allow themselves to be manipulated by the political establishment of the Christian religion. They merely believe. They don’t trust the church.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Guest123, YOU are speaking on behalf of the players now? Bwahahaha!
May 11th, 2011 at 9:12 am
DHB needs to be released, he is a bust. Then, hopefully, someone in our division will pick him up and waste a roster spot.
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Ouch Kirk!
Heyward-Bey is entering Year #3 when most young players start to “get it”
Should he earn a starting job like everybody else?
Absolutely.
It’s not his fault Davis overdrafted him, overpaid him and started him over Ford last year & Higgins the year prior!
May 11th, 2011 at 9:14 am
never seen anyone try to make religion relevant to football…you are the first
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irjonny,
you are new here. I’m definately not the first
May 11th, 2011 at 9:17 am
You mean the same Richard Seymour threw landed a right cross on Rapelisbergers chin?
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inonewordraider,
Yes. Look into the guy’s foundations & local charities. He even has praying hands tattooed on his arm. Big Ben got what he deserved, PERIOD!
most devout christians don’t respect r@pists
May 11th, 2011 at 9:22 am
So Jason & Richard are God fearing leaders, fantastic.
I respect tebow as well. As a matter of fact I respect all three guys but don’t get criticism of a players on the field play mixed up with their religious beliefs. Tebow as a person, Christian and a leader is great. Now on the field as an NFL QB is entirely different. I wish him well but when he plays the Raiders I am praying that he does not win
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CJ Legend,
I’m not asking for anybody to respect Tebow as a player or person. I’m just saying that the guy got hung for his religious beliefs on this site and I’m waiting to hear what those same critics think of Raider players who share the same faith
Double Standard?
May 11th, 2011 at 9:25 am
At least Jason and Richard don’t allow themselves to be used like tools by the political wing of the Christian establishment.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:27 am
RAIDER,
I don’t think it’s fair to assume that Jason Campbell is different than over Christian NFL players or that he doesn’t trust the church. That has never been published anywhere
JCamp credits Mark Brunell for making him a better person and for introducing him to the real “JC”
May 11th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Kk how many times are you gonna post the same statistict? STFU!!! And find another team to hate. Anyone who thinks JC is better than Gannon is a bit of a retard.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:31 am
RAIDER,
what Tebow does off the football field or during the offseason is his own personal business, right?
I mean as long as he isn’t breaking the law, being a bad influence on teammates or smearing mud on the organization who drafted him I don’t think the Denver Broncos really care if he speaks at a Men’s Conference or makes a commercial to stand up for what he believes in.
Same with Kurt Warner during his time with St Louis, NY & Arizona
May 11th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Good Morning Rockstar! Long time since I seen you here around this time…how you been, man? How’s the fam?
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GM Hwnrdr!
yeah man. I still try to squeeze in some early AM blog time if I have a few minutes before work. The fam is awesome, thanks for asking. How are you man?
Who are you rooting for now that the Lakers are out?
OKC, like Dakota?
May 11th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Hey, we all remember Reggie White! How did he turn out…?
Anyways, I don’t care what faith anyone believes in. never did. I just ask politely not to preach to me and I will respect just the same…JC and Seymour are Religious leaders as well as our team leaders…nothing wrong with that! Over the last 7 years, we did need prayers, and now, maybe not all…they have probably been answered! Just my 2 cents guys…just my 2 cents…
May 11th, 2011 at 9:35 am
I like Miami or Chicago …
go EAST !!!
May 11th, 2011 at 9:38 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 9:12 am
DHB needs to be released, he is a bust. Then, hopefully, someone in our division will pick him up and waste a roster spot.
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Ouch Kirk!
Heyward-Bey is entering Year #3 when most young players start to “get it”
Should he earn a starting job like everybody else?
Absolutely.
It’s not his fault Davis overdrafted him, overpaid him and started him over Ford last year & Higgins the year prior!
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Just Fire Baby Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 4:38 am
If DHB goes into Denver and Buffalo weeks 1 and 2, and has his typical 2 catches for 26 yards, we can pretty much assume that the proverbial “corner” will not have been turned.
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Just like Vegas says… cut(trade) his @$$ if he doesn’t produce in the first two games!
May 11th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Rockstar, I agree. It’s Tebow’s own personal business what he does off the field. He’s still a tool for the Christian political lobby, though. Most black Christians in the league are not.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Hey, we all remember Reggie White! How did he turn out…?
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Maybe Seymour & Waufle can mentor Lamar Houston enough both on & off the field and he can be the Raiders “Minister of Defense” ?
dirty unstoppable nasty beast on the field. nicest guy you’ll ever meet off of it
May 11th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
May 11th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Rockstar, I actually don’t care anymore with concerns to the NBA. I would like to see the youngans get their shot, but I also would like to see Jason Kidd and Dirk get theres. They did a helluva job on my Lakers and my hat goes off to them. However, if I was to choose, I would like the Bulls to win it all, but I think they are still too young yet!
Other than that, I am doing good. Not sure if you seen my post yesterday, but my mom is not doing well and I may have to take an emergency trip back home. Just praying that she holds on, but if He wants her, than there is nothing anyone can do…but through all that, I am hanging in there, being strong for my family here in California!
May 11th, 2011 at 9:39 am
He’s still a tool for the Christian political lobby, though. Most black Christians in the league are not
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now it’s a race issue?
Ugh. RRS out!
May 11th, 2011 at 9:40 am
I don’t care what faith anyone belongs to, either. I’m not criticizing Tebow’s faith. I’m criticizing him for being used like a tool by political influences. I just think it’s weak. He has the right to do it, I have the right to laugh at it.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:41 am
What’s wrong with discussing race, RRS?
May 11th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Cut/trade Campbell if he doesn’t produce in the first two games? So, basically, the Raiders sign veteran QBs and start them…to try them out? Wouldn’t it be a better plan to, I dunno, just sign the best players we can and hire the best coaches we can? The Raiders are essentially running on the job tryouts to figure out who their A team is going to be? Don’t you think these decisions should be made before opening week?
May 11th, 2011 at 10:16 am
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/
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For the stats guys. Thoughts?
May 11th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Cut JC?!?!?!?!?! laughable. What do the guys that matter really think of jc? Peep this:
“I was really excited for Jason. Obviously things didn’t start out as well as we wanted them to, but it takes a little time sometimes. We need to address some of the issues that we’re addressing now. We need to get better on the offensive line and I think we’re doing that. He came on and finished the season extremely strong, I think he truly understands his environment here, and he has a very good relationship with the players here. He is the face of our organization and he has to lead this organization. I was very happy that the offense was able to go from 31st to 10th.” – HU JACK CITY!!!!!
May 11th, 2011 at 10:28 am
JLH is done being a Raider.
Moore will gladly take his spot on the WR corp.
May 11th, 2011 at 10:32 am
@Rockstar
Tebow has tried to force his religion on others…Also I echo RMR thoughts.
“Tim Tebow Reportedly Wanted To Lead a Group Prayer Before Taking The Wonderlic Test at the 2010 NFL Combine. Someone Then Told Tebow to ‘Shut the F–k Up!’”
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The proposed Tim Tebow anti-abortion add before the super bowl was another place where he was trying to force his beliefs on others.
May 11th, 2011 at 10:32 am
2011 Raiders post-draft wish list:
Henry Hynoski FB
Mark Herzlich OLB
Jared Gaither / Tyson Clabo OT
STEVE SMITH WR
NNAMDI ASOMUGHA CB
When the CBA gets settled… Come on Al, git-r-dun!!
Peace to The Nation!!
May 11th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Bruce Campbell and wizII give us something we havnt had since our superbowl run. Big mean angry line men that want to take your head off. Gallery had the hair and tatts, but he wasnt mean or nasty. I saw BCampbell vs seattle in the preseaon last year and loved him right away. there were a couple of plays where he was out leveraged. however when he lined up next to veldheer the two of them blew holes in the defense like a bowling ball blasting through sand castles. The biggest thing i saw was when he earned back to back personal fouls. On one hand you say wow this kid is a nut case powder keg and he needs discipline, there is some truth there. On the other hand I said this dude is ferocious, refuses to be punked and wants to kill someone, I LOVE IT!!!!
Enough of these super soft gentle miniature line guys. we need guys that beat the dog piss out of the opponents whistle to whistle and then some. When the o-line is mean and nasty the rest of the team takes on that personality, it is a perfect balance for JC and his more cerebral approach. We wont see the o-line and the rest of the team look skiddish like deer at the watering hole, like we did last year vs pitt, mia, sf, and tenn.
I love what HU JACK is doing, football is won and lost on the lines.
May 11th, 2011 at 10:36 am
I think Hynoski and Herzlich would be great additions to this Raider team!
May 11th, 2011 at 10:39 am
# DKnight007 Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 10:28 am
JLH is done being a Raider.
Moore will gladly take his spot on the WR corp.
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goodbye jlh and nick miller, & good riddance. miller has glass ankles and suspect hands. JLH fears contact and lacks the ability to concentrate.
May 11th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Hue and the O-Line coaches need to remember to make sure the O-Line and whole team in general doesn’t get caught up in playing too HIGH!
Coach and drill them on staying low, using their legs and winning the leverage battles!
May 11th, 2011 at 10:40 am
3.Davy Jones Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
http://yfrog.com/h4k47hkj
Pics of J Campbell, L Murph, and DHB at the practice that he refers to in the article. If these three and Ford can get more production out of the WR corps, that’s going to bring balance to the O and make the run game even better. Way to be a leader, Campbell.
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Yep, they all need to get to work….good job on JC’s part!
May 11th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Need veteran starters at LG and RG since the center and tackles are very young. Also need a blocking FB so we can geet those tougher yards. Get Chad to be your number 1 wr and we will have a complete offense
May 11th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Herzlich would be interesting but can he play WLB in our system?
May 11th, 2011 at 10:53 am
@Mistic
Have you noticeed how they list Bruce Campbell on the roster? He is listed as G/T. Tea leaves to me say he they are going to give him a chance to start at RT?
May 11th, 2011 at 10:55 am
I wonder what good DE we can get to compliment ShoNasty and Lamarr. As good as our pass rush was last year we need even better in 2011
May 11th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Well Barksdale and Campbell need to compete for the RT spot. Having one of them at guard is useless IMO
May 11th, 2011 at 11:06 am
@Bauce
“I wonder what good DE we can get to compliment ShoNasty and Lamarr. As good as our pass rush was last year we need even better in 2011″
Even with Wimbley sliding down in the nickel and Bryant getting some good looks last year at DE? Thought you would prefer a roster spot for a larger DT?
Also anybody know who Tommie Hill is? Could be a Wauffle guy? Says he spent the last two years on the Giants and some stories making some plays in preseason.
May 11th, 2011 at 11:23 am
# DutchRaider77 Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 10:53 am
@Mistic
Have you noticeed how they list Bruce Campbell on the roster? He is listed as G/T. Tea leaves to me say he they are going to give him a chance to start at RT?
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I dont have a problem with that. i think we need to bring back walker, and move him back to guard, this would give us many more options in terms of what we do at tackle with our young guys.
May 11th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Peep this:
“I was really excited for Jason. Obviously things didn’t start out as well as we wanted them to, but it takes a little time sometimes. We need to address some of the issues that we’re addressing now. We need to get better on the offensive line and I think we’re doing that. He came on and finished the season extremely strong, I think he truly understands his environment here, and he has a very good relationship with the players here. He is the face of our organization and he has to lead this organization. I was very happy that the offense was able to go from 31st to 10th.” – HU JACK CITY!!!!!
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Mistic,
It’s nice to know that Hue Jackson has JCamp’s back now, even though he benched his best QB last season in favor of a oft-injured, noodle armed, 3rd string journeyman scrub last year (3 times actually)
Plus JCamp got banged up during a few games last season. Who is our #2 QB this year? Kyle Boller?
Puke!
May 11th, 2011 at 11:34 am
I echo RMR thoughts
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@Dutch
that certainly doesn’t help make a case for any comments that you post. That’s basically like pissing on the floor to clean your bathroom tiles when you got some Mr Clean in the cabinet under the sink
May 11th, 2011 at 11:38 am
DKnight007 Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 10:28 am
JLH is done being a Raider.
Moore will gladly take his spot on the WR corp
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hahahahahahahaha….Really?
May 11th, 2011 at 11:39 am
anybody know who Tommie Hill is?
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camp fodder. he has the same chance to make the final 53 as WR Shaun Bodiford … NONE!
May 11th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Dutch…..im willing to part with Desmond Bryant. As it is Houston will slide over to UT in a few seasons so i feel we need another DE
May 11th, 2011 at 11:41 am
@DKnight
DMOORE is going to be a player however, you think JLH is done?
May 11th, 2011 at 11:42 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Mistic,
It’s nice to know that Hue Jackson has JCamp’s back now, even though he benched his best QB last season in favor of a oft-injured, noodle armed, 3rd string journeyman scrub last year (3 times actually)
Plus JCamp got banged up during a few games last season. Who is our #2 QB this year? Kyle Boller?
Puke!
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I never bought into the whole hu jack benching jc hype, even though he said it was him. i beleive he said that just to take heat off of cable and to avoid controversy.
May 11th, 2011 at 11:46 am
I wonder what good DE we can get to compliment ShoNasty and Lamarr.
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DT’s Seymour & Bryant can play DE if need be
OLB’s Wimbley & Groves can play DE if need be
DE Houston can play DT if need be
DE’s Scott & Moss can play OLB if need be
OLB’s Brown & Goethel can play MLB if need be
Chuck B & Mike Waufle have loads of versatility on this defensive front seven. We just have to have the right players in the right packages.
I feel confident in our ability to get after the QB, but 7+ years of getting abused against the run is plenty. it’s enough. It’s time to discipline these guys. angles, leverage, depth, play till the whistle blows. no more taking plays off. get stronger. stay hungry & aggressive
May 11th, 2011 at 11:53 am
im willing to part with Desmond Bryant. As it is Houston will slide over to UT in a few seasons so i feel we need another DE
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Bryant had some nice moments last year after what I would consider a disappointing rookie season, but I guess that should have been expected from an undrafted rookie DL from Harvard that weighed less than 290
He’s only going to get better learning the game from Waufle, Seymour, Henderson, etc.
We’ve seen improvement from Kelly already and Houston had a SOLID rookie season. it’s infectious
If you’re eager to dump somebody, consider Bruce Davis or Jarvis Moss. Trevor Scott is a situational sack machine and Sam Williams is a beast on special teams
May 11th, 2011 at 11:54 am
JLH will soon be at a Arthur Murray dance studio, teaching dorks to do the “Carlton.”
May 11th, 2011 at 11:56 am
my mom is not doing well and I may have to take an emergency trip back home. Just praying that she holds on, but if He wants her, than there is nothing anyone can do…but through all that, I am hanging in there, being strong for my family here in California!
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Hwnrdr,
you and your family are in my prayers.
stay strong bro.
May 11th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Not so fast on jarvis moss, former high draft pick, that played really well when he was in at the end of the season. He showed he can get after the qb, which is why he was high draft choice but he surprised me against the run. I would love to see him on pass rushing downs opposite of wimbly
May 11th, 2011 at 11:57 am
252.Bauce Rules Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Dutch…..im willing to part with Desmond Bryant. As it is Houston will slide over to UT in a few seasons so i feel we need another DE
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I think D Bryant should stay. He should keep getting better with Waufle coaching him. He is versatile also and can play the UT, or DE in some situations.
He provides solid depth on the D-Line!
May 11th, 2011 at 11:58 am
RaiderDebo Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 10:16 am
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/
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For the stats guys. Thoughts?
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Nice link.
Those stats paint a grim picture for our boy Soup. He was one of the worst QB’s in the league on down-the-field throws, strong arm in all.
Top 5 in INT % . Bottom 5 for completion % .
At least we were in the top 10 for least amount of attempts in passes down the field, which is a compliment to Hue Jackson for realizing the inadequacies of Campbell.
Run the ball, attempt to control the LOS, stop the run, win the turnover and ST battle.
It is going to be the same recipe we have been trying to drum up for 5 years now, we just may be better at it, with better players and coaches, and hopefully soon to be better results.
As long as the QB doesn’t get in the way.
May 11th, 2011 at 11:59 am
253.Thec07 Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 11:41 am
@DKnight
DMOORE is going to be a player however, you think JLH is done?
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Yeah, I think JLH gets cut unless he shows some spark during training camp and in the preseason games.
I think Miller and D Moore will stay and JLH will go. JLH has regressed badly the last two years.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Johnnie Lee is in the same boat as fellow 2007 draftee Mario Henderson.
had a few bright moments in 2008, but didn’t do enough in 2009 & 2010 to merit a 2011 roster spot.
the same could be said for JR, but he was out of the league last year!
May 11th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Run the ball, attempt to control the LOS, stop the run, win the turnover and ST battle.
It is going to be the same recipe we have been trying to drum up for 5 years now, we just may be better at it, with better players and coaches, and hopefully soon to be better results.
As long as the QB doesn’t get in the way.
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JFB,
TJ called Jason Campbell a Top 12 NFL QB last week!
My take:
Top 6 in the AFC are Brady, Manning, Rivers, Big Ben, Schaub & Flacco.
Followed by Cassel, Palmer, Orton, Garrard, Fitzpatrick & Sanchez.
Top 6 in the NFC are Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Vick, Manning & Freeman.
Followed by McNabb, Romo, Cutler, Hasselbeck, Bradford & Stafford.
Jason Campbell seems like a second tier QB in either division … thoughts ???
May 11th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
261.
You left out 2nd worst pass protection and worst receiving corps in the League.
Kind of a factor on them down field passes bub.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 11:58 am
RaiderDebo Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 10:16 am
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/
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For the stats guys. Thoughts?
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Nice link.
Those stats paint a grim picture for our boy Soup. He was one of the worst QB’s in the league on down-the-field throws, strong arm in all.
Top 5 in INT % . Bottom 5 for completion % .
At least we were in the top 10 for least amount of attempts in passes down the field, which is a compliment to Hue Jackson for realizing the inadequacies of Campbell.
Run the ball, attempt to control the LOS, stop the run, win the turnover and ST battle.
It is going to be the same recipe we have been trying to drum up for 5 years now, we just may be better at it, with better players and coaches, and hopefully soon to be better results.
As long as the QB doesn’t get in the way.
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This doesnt even begin to tell the story.
1) this shows passes longer than 20 yards, and fails to consider the fact that we threw passes much longer than 20 yards, this is a low percentage play.
2.) more than a few of the long throws were made under extreme duress and pass rush, this also skews that stat.
3.) did anybody outside of ford show that they could actually catch the ball deep? NO.
These factors illustrate why these so called deep passing stats dont truly measure the qbs’ talent in that department.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
262. Jennifer Love Hewitt sucks and has sucked ever since Brian Schnieder left.
The dudes a cut up and maybe fun to be around but the guy STILL f’s up routes too much and rarely ever blocks.
Limited game, mental errors, pulled from returns, 4th string WR with no sign of growth or improvement, in fact REGRESSION.
Snip, snip. Shoulda happened a year ago. Would have if not for our terrible WR output.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Fug this I gotta get out side. Too nice out.
Peaces Nation!
May 11th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Carson Palmer is due $11.5 million this year and the same salary in 2012. Marvin Lewis said that if he decides to stay unretired, he’ll be the unquestioned starter
I think he’ll stay and Ocho will be traded to the Redskins for a 2nd rounder
this isn’t exactly a Jake Plummer type of scenario!
May 11th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 10:16 am
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/
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Nice post. Yeah, force feeding DHB will do that.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Thanks Rockstar!
May 11th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
The guy that made those so called deep passing stat also had this to say
“There you have it. A somewhat comprehensive look at the quarterbacks when they took aim downfield. It’s not a gospel indication of who the best are because of the numerous other factors that statistics can’t delve into. Namely, bits likes the type of throw, conditions, type of player throwing to and against, and variables such as tipped passes resulting in completions or interceptions.”
I wouldnt get to worked up about these numbers, they dont mean anything
May 11th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
You know I remember when a lot of people in here had doubts about Richard Seymour ever wanting to be a Raider. They acted as if we hogtied him and brought him out here kciking and screaming. Some I’ll bet to this day still don’t believe what he said when he said I’ve always loved the Raiders since I was a child.
I know one thing none of them will admit that they said he ‘didn’t want to be a Raider’. Including Jerry….
May 11th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
I speculated Seymour didn’t want to be traded here. I still do.
However he’s a pro, and has made the best of it. His kids are still on the east coast though.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
RR I did not call JC a top 12 QB in this league I said “IF” he can get into the top 12 QB’s in this league we can win big maybe even a SB.
I know you must’ve misremembered so I’m going to let this one go. But when quoting people at least try to actually quote them.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
When Robert Gallery was out last year hurt who started in his place?
In my opinion, we really did not seem to miss a beat when he was out. Does anyone else feel that way?
May 11th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
273.priesttj Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
You know I remember when a lot of people in here had doubts about Richard Seymour ever wanting to be a Raider. They acted as if we hogtied him and brought him out here kciking and screaming. Some I’ll bet to this day still don’t believe what he said when he said I’ve always loved the Raiders since I was a child.
I know one thing none of them will admit that they said he ‘didn’t want to be a Raider’. Including Jerry….
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No, I recall he did not want to be a Raider at the time and I don’t hold it aginst the guy. He was leaving a Superbowl team and his family was settled in (school, living ect.)and he di dnot want to move at the time. He was performing well and liked his disciplined team. It just caught him off guard.
I can dig it!
May 11th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I think he likes being a Raider now. The weather and Al’s money grew on him. LOL!!! : )
May 11th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
I still think the key to our team is to keep Nnamdi. If we loose him at corner we still need a veteran corner. We don’t have the guns at corner. They get to much wear and tear and it takes some time to learn the Raiders way to play corner. Rookies make rookie mistakes. I don’t see either one of these guys we drafted being as gifted as Charles Woodson.
May 11th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
I wouldnt get to worked up about these numbers, they dont mean anything
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I’m sure if the stats showed the opposite for Soup, they would mean everything in the world.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
He lives on the East Coact so his kids should be still there. Many players live elsewhwere and rent here during the season. he’s no different
May 11th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
There are a lot of corners playing very well in this league who aren’t as gifted as Charles Woodson….lol
May 11th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
tj,
I remember when someone in here thought JaMeatloaf Russell was gods gift to the Qb position.
I remember when someone in here said Nick Miller is a Db Killer.
I remember when someone said DMAC is a skinny legged 3rd down Rb we dont need.
I remember when someone looked at DHB’s still photos and damn near creamed their jeans.
I remember so much…you?
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priesttj Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
You know I remember when a lot of people in here had doubts about Richard Seymour
May 11th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
tj,
Remember when you said Arman Shields was going to bust out and be the second coming of J Rice?
Me too!
May 11th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
The deep ball requires a lot more timing than any other play in football it is a high reward high risk play if the QB and WR aren’t used to each other. But we do it because in most cases it brings a PI or its’ a catch. Lately tho the refs don’t respect our rec’s as a result we haven’t been getting the PI.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Yeah remember when you said you once saw Moses open the red sea. I still don’t believe you…
May 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
More than timing it requires an accurate deep passer. Something we haven’t had here in a long long time. Timing comes into play on shorter routes, tj
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priesttj Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
The deep ball requires a lot more timing than any other play in football
May 11th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Nice job tj! Refute me with something out of the realm of possibility while I through your exact words in your face..
lol
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priesttj Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Yeah remember when you said you once saw Moses open the red sea. I still don’t believe you…
May 11th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
*throw not through
May 11th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
tj, are you saying you didn’t say all these?????
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I remember when someone in here thought JaMeatloaf Russell was gods gift to the Qb position.
I remember when someone in here said Nick Miller is a Db Killer.
I remember when someone said DMAC is a skinny legged 3rd down Rb we dont need.
I remember when someone looked at DHB’s still photos and damn near creamed their jeans.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 10th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Post#166 are you serious???? LOL he LIKES players who can’t play…….I’ve never heard something so ridiculous you obviously are a young Raider fan. Because you could n’t have seen players like Mervyn Fernandez, James Lofton, Warren Wells. You cannot see into the future no one knew DHB would struggle like he has and no one knew Ford would bust out as a rookie. You draft players with the expectation that they will struggle to some extent. BUT to prefer it is LUNACY!!
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I never said Al picks players who cannot play. That is what you said. I state that he gets receivers with pure talent who, if they can figure out the position, will make it big. I understand it has not always been like that, but I deal with the present, not the past. Presently this is what he is doing and it is LUNACY to not see it for what it is. DHB, Chaz, Dudley, heck even Murphy wasn’t a proven commodity coming out of college in relation to Timmy.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
A healthy Bruce is a better QB than JC. Not because of his physical abilities, rather it is his heart and head (sometimes a hard one, like taking on Lb).
May 11th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
He is responding to your post and me at the same time…lmao
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8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
I don’t even know where the racist bit comes from, but whatever.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
If you repeat tj’s comments back to him he calls you a racist. Its the most perverted demented logic I’ve ever seen and he relies on it everyday of his life.
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8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
I don’t even know where the racist bit comes from, but whatever.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
It comes from YOU sucka now get outta my face, and stop whinning lousy stinking PIG!!
May 11th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Sup Bauce!
Can we get tj some help ?
DO you know anybody?
May 11th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
I’ve actually met Mista….I didnt get the Zeig Hiel vibe from him. Seemed cool to me
May 11th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
# MistaBrown Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Sup Bauce!
Can we get tj some help ?
DO you know anybody?
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Chillin Mista….just saw A’s score….yuck but oh well. Wholesale changes coming for GSW.
BHP is the OG. He is funny as hell and we dont see eye to eye on all things
May 11th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Bauce have you seen tj make all these comments?
He is calling me a liar and a racist because I reposted.
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I remember when someone in here thought JaMeatloaf Russell was gods gift to the Qb position.
I remember when someone in here said Nick Miller is a Db Killer.
I remember when someone said DMAC is a skinny legged 3rd down Rb we dont need.
I remember when someone looked at DHB’s still photos and damn near creamed their jeans.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
He at least isnt anywhere near Kell. You would rather have a beer at Ricky’s with BHP than Kell
May 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
MistaBrown Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
If you repeat tj’s comments back to him he calls you a racist. Its the most perverted demented logic I’ve ever seen and he relies on it everyday of his life.
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What logic did you use to determine that we should draft a FB in the 1st round a couple of years ago dmfck?? You’re still crying in your Ensure because we didn’t draft John Conner at #8 overall. STFU!!
May 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
# raiderfankirk Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
A healthy Bruce is a better QB than JC. Not because of his physical abilities, rather it is his heart and head (sometimes a hard one, like taking on Lb).
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Is this a joke?
May 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
tj which one below is a lie that you didn’t say?
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I remember when someone in here thought JaMeatloaf Russell was gods gift to the Qb position.
I remember when someone in here said Nick Miller is a Db Killer.
I remember when someone said DMAC is a skinny legged 3rd down Rb we dont need.
I remember when someone looked at DHB’s still photos and damn near creamed their jeans.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
OakGlen,
I said very clearly a FB between rounds 3-7, if you have to lie about what I said you already lost the argument.
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RaiderDebo Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
What logic did you use to determine that we should draft a FB in the 1st round
May 11th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
# raiderfankirk Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
A healthy Bruce is a better QB than JC. Not because of his physical abilities, rather it is his heart and head (sometimes a hard one, like taking on Lb).
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Is this a joke?
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Corniest post of the year. Watch out JFB. LOL!
May 11th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
# MistaBrown Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Bauce have you seen tj make all these comments?
He is calling me a liar and a racist because I reposted.
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I remember when someone in here thought JaMeatloaf Russell was gods gift to the Qb position.
I remember when someone in here said Nick Miller is a Db Killer.
I remember when someone said DMAC is a skinny legged 3rd down Rb we dont need.
I remember when someone looked at DHB’s still photos and damn near creamed their jeans.
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Well I think he admitted Russell was a failure but he does have a little false hope that he could get it together. I know for a fact that aint possible.
Too many fell in love with Nick Miller. He is a low level reserve.
Yeah too many hate on DMAC
DHB sux man…..he needs Chad here to show him how to have some charisma on that field.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
tj, for conversation sake lets say I lied about what you said. Where does the swastika and moses parting the red sea come into play?
lmao
May 11th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
In short, you have seen tj make all those comments.
Thanks Bauce.
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Bauce Rules Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Well I think he admitted Russell was a failure but he does have a little false hope that he could get it together. I know for a fact that aint possible.
Too many fell in love with Nick Miller. He is a low level reserve.
Yeah too many hate on DMAC
DHB sux man…..he needs Chad here to show him how to have some charisma on that field.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
# raiderfankirk Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
A healthy Bruce is a better QB than JC. Not because of his physical abilities, rather it is his heart and head (sometimes a hard one, like taking on Lb).
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Is this a joke?
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Has to be Mistic…..there isnt one person besides a Gradkowski that could tell me JC is not the better qb while holding a straight face
May 11th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
LMFAO
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priesttj Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
The truth is he is definitely a racist PUNK.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Man, JC really taking the leadership role….that is a good thing, but first he needs to put the team on his back and win a couple of games throwing the ball before he can feel comfortable as the #1 guy.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
MistaBrown Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
OakGlen,
I said very clearly a FB between rounds 3-7, if you have to lie about what I said you already lost the argument.
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RaiderDebo Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
What logic did you use to determine that we should draft a FB in the 1st round
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Didn’t I tell you to STFU??? And who the hell is OakGlenn? You’ve been calling me that for two years. I know you’re stupid, but are you nuts too?? This OakGlenn guy must’ve slept with your life partner or somethin.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Brown nose on here!
Later…
May 11th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
In other news, how great is it to have players run their own camps. Aside from the lockout and all, I think allowing them to run their own drills could do more good for them and allow them to focus on the things they feel are the most important.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
RaiderDebo
Oakglenn is another cross-posting troll who used to use that handle. He had quite a bit of fun at BrownStains expense, before this blog was registered.
And, he’s still trippin, pathetic.
May 11th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
# Dakota Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Man, JC really taking the leadership role….that is a good thing, but first he needs to put the team on his back and win a couple of games throwing the ball before he can feel comfortable as the #1 guy.
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That’s fair
May 11th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
LOL now this blog is getting good
May 11th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
KK, did Bingo let out early today?
May 11th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
So Kell…..I hear you are on board with a Chad Johnson move to the east bay
May 11th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
# MistaBrown Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
KK, did Bingo let out early today?
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LOLOLOLOL roast
May 11th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
3. Jason Campbell, Oakland: Campbell had an up-and-down 2010, his first season with the Raiders. He was replaced three times, but he settled down late in the season and he made some big plays for Oakland. The Raiders believe in him and they think he will make strides in 2011. Like Cassel, he must show better consistency. If Campbell has a big 2011 season, I could see him being No. 2 on this list next year. If not, I could see Oakland looking for another starting quarterback in 2012.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/index/_/count/16
May 11th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
DeboGlenn,
KK just called you a cross posting troll. The first thing he got right in here since 2008.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
# Dakota Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Man, JC really taking the leadership role….that is a good thing, but first he needs to put the team on his back and win a couple of games throwing the ball before he can feel comfortable as the #1 guy.
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Team on his back to lead a win….CHECK
see the game in san diego last year, led us back from behind in merciful relief of scabkowski
May 11th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Alrighty then, I see the members of the blog are being very antagonistic with each other today.
Since I am one of the few in here who treats every one of my fellow commentators with respect and never veers from the football conversation that is supposed to be the focus of this Blog I will have to just sit back and shake my head at the child-like action of the rest of you.
tsk-tsk
May 11th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Campbell has alot of pressure on him. But he has been battle tested and has alot of talent around him. Just a few more pieces and we got something special here….anyhow…Bauce is vamos
May 11th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
So Kell…..I hear you are on board with a Chad Johnson move to the east bay
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“I need more reps.” – Chad OchoCinco
May 11th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@Dakota
Always wanted to ask, how did you become a Cubs and Raiders fan?
I lived in Chicago area for about 10 years, went to a lot of games (to party mostly)
May 11th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
JC has done as much as he needs to do for the coaches to make him the unquestioned #1 that’s all that matters. The rest is just talk…
May 11th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
GRAPH: An Average American Pays A Higher Income Tax Rate Than ExxonMobil
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/11/exxon-pays-less-taxes/
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May 11th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Dakota is a douche bag.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
JC has done as much as he needs to do for the coaches to make him the unquestioned #1 that’s all that matters. The rest is just talk…
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Exactly!!!! Davis Hu Jack and the locker room are all on board.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
ESPN is ranking NFL defining moments.
SportsNation
Any Oakland Raiders history lesson begins with Al Davis. He joined the team in 1963 as a coach and we all know the rest. Davis is arguably the most famous owner in the history of sports.
After years of playing the bridesmaid, the Raiders were finally champions with a thumping of Minnesota in Super Bowl XI. The Raiders went on to win two more Super Bowl titles, but this was significant because it was the first title and it came during the NFL’s golden age in the 1970s.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Long Live Al.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
327.DutchRaider77 Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@Dakota
Always wanted to ask, how did you become a Cubs and Raiders fan?
I lived in Chicago area for about 10 years, went to a lot of games (to party mostly)
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Well, the Raiders fan part of it was simply the fact that I didn’t want to be another orange wearing Bronco fan here in S.W. South Dakota (or a Viqueens fan), so when I was about 7 or 8 I saw a Topps Howie Long card and thought now that was a cool uni. So I decided to become a fan of all the LA teams.
A couple of years later my step dad arrived and he was a Cubs fan from Iowa (he used to listen to Cubs games on the radio as a child as they were re-broadcasted by Ronald Reagan….I schyt you not). So I dropped the Dodgers and became a Cubs fan after being forced to watch them constantly on WGN.
Actually thanks to WGN there are tons of Cubs fans in this area and in Denver. Back in the Sosa heyday going to a Rockies Cubs game in Denver you would see more Cubs fans than Rockies fans in the stadium.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
The sign out front advertises free pregnancy tests, information about abortion and testing for sexually transmitted diseases. But it is not an abortion clinic — it is home to the Alpha Center, an organization in Sioux Falls, S.D., dedicated to encouraging women to bring their babies to term.
What makes the new South Dakota law different is that the mandated counseling will come from people whose central qualification is that they are opposed to abortion.
“South Dakota women should not need to submit to an in-person lecture from an unqualified, noncertified, faith-based counselor or volunteer at an anti-choice crisis pregnancy center,” Ms. Gibson said.
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South Dakota, Tsk, tsk.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Band wagon.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Bauce hwat’s up bro.? I know you’re a huge Chad advocate but as I think about it man. I’m not sure that is as good an idea as I did a year ago. The reason is Ford and this new kid Moore. Not to mention I’m hoping DHB will finally start to arrive. I saw too many negativesw from Chad last year to the point of running his QB outta the league. He dropped a bunch of passes and was just a constant distraction with the tweets and his reality show and just a lot of mess man.
I would much prefer someone like Sydney Rice or VJ someone who’ll come here and just concentrate on the game thes ekids just don’t need anything other than that. IMHO!
May 11th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Dakota jerked off to Howie Long’s picture, that’s how he became a Raider fan.
Why is that not surprising.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson,
Al Davis has lost 57% of his games as GM since 1989.
I don’t mind him living, I just don’t want him running, it!
May 11th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Too bad, Kell.
Al isn’t going anywhere.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Band wagon for switching to the Cubs?
LMFAO too funny Dr.!
May 11th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Kell go to ESPN and you can vote for Al trading Gruden as the Raiders DEFINING moment.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Dakota go watch some 2 1/2 Men reruns.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
338.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Dakota jerked off to Howie Long’s picture, that’s how he became a Raider fan.
Why is that not surprising.
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WTF are you talking about?
http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/howielongnaked.png
May 11th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Big Al has done a commendable job the last 4 years replenishing this roster IMO he’s been as good as he ever was. If this last draft pans out. He’ll be amonst the best GM’s in the game. This is one of the yungest rosters in the league with drafted players. He also has a coach that I think will work as well as Gruden did with him. I kind of liked Cable but I had no idea of his exploits with the Lady’s. Plus his shannagin with JC and Bruce was a joke.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Rand Paul: ‘If You Believe In A Right To Health Care,’ You ‘Believe In Slavery’
http://thinkprogress.org/
May 11th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Doctor such talk, I’m taken aback!!
May 11th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Forgive me Father.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
LOL
May 11th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Priest, Al Davis has done a good job in the past 4 years? Surely you’re not going by won/loss record?
May 11th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Kell, pull up Al Davis’s record in the past 4 years, if you would be so kind. I want to see just how good of a job Al Davis has done. LOL.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Nothing is a right if somebody else has to provide it.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Campbell and Seymour are organizing workouts?
Well, you kind of expect it of a man like Seymour.
Campbell doing it is good news.
You can call the guy an average quarterback-and I am-but he’s way above average when it comes to attitude, responsibility and work ethic.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Dr. Hunter, we know Al’s not going anywhere. That’s more than half of Raider fans have very little faith in the team anymore.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Dr. Hunter, we know Al’s not going anywhere. That’s why more than half of Raider fans have very little faith in the team anymore.
May 11th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
I did not call JC a top 12 QB in this league I said “IF” he can get into the top 12 QB’s in this league we can win big maybe even a SB.
I know you must’ve misremembered so I’m going to let this one go
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You’re right, TJ. Thanks for the correction
May 11th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
The last 4 years drafts are what give most knowledgable Raider fans hope. It started with getting MBush in the 4th rnd and Chaz in the 7th. Then coming back with Dline picks and safety picks. It didn’t hurt than Huff anf Routt and ZMiller became quality players. but these last 3 drafts outside of Russell and DHB have been bumper crops.
May 11th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
No problem RR and thanks for your acknowledgment which is rare in here.
May 11th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Al Davis makes Darth Vader look like a punk.
May 11th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Joke? Watch the film, how bout Rams game and preseason?
May 11th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Yeah I did watch them and I know what Bruce is capable of. I’m just saying we traded for JC for a reason it takes time to get in synch with new team mates and new system. They pulled the plug on the enetire thing 6 qrtrs into the season. THAT IS A JOKE!!
It’s one thing to sit him down in a game a couple of times until he settles in but to BENCH him in 6 qrtrs tells me the HC wasn’t oin board with him to begin with………………period
May 11th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
If you’re going to benxch the QB that quick when Big Al has gone on record in support of him. YOU better win and win big.
May 11th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
It always takes time for a team to get in synch and that goes double for the OL. That is why Al shouldn’t have gotten rid of Gallery just because he spoke up for Cable and now apparently Satelle is gone.
You can have all the talent you like on the OL line but it takes time to jell–even took time with Otto as center.
May 11th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
@Priestj
Do you think JC did not play enough in the Pre-season? Was he injurred? Because he sure looked a lot different after his benching to before his benching.
May 11th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
I just think he wasn’t comfortable whether that was due to too few reps or something else I know if he had Chaz it would’ve helped and Bush went down and I think Miller was struggling. It was just something he was going to have to go through. I saw him in the Rams game he was aweful and hesitant. It took him about 4 starts to start to anticipate. Then in the SD game he just got after it played very well bringing us back to win. from that point on he was pretty good.
I think this year with Saunders and Hujack and a year with these players, you can tell he’s excited he wants to hit the ground running. We’ll see what happens but I just feel good about the prospects for the season on a lot of fronts.
May 11th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
We can’t get around the fact that this line will have some newness but Gallery just doesn’t wnat to be here. He’s not getting rid of him, he’s leaving which is his prorogative.
May 11th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
I don’t think Gallery wanted to leave, I think Al wanted him to leave.
Gallery wanted more money but since when has that stopped Al Davis and Gallery would have taken less than he asked.
No, this was a petty thing by Al.
Gallery helped out Veldeer quite a bit last year and before that Henderson.
Having said that it’s done. Go Raiders.
May 11th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Englandraider if that was the case Shane lechler would be gone as well. If Gallery was going to take less money his asking price wouldn’t have been so ridiculous. I think it’s easy to blame Big Al for everything we don’t like when sometimes it’s just a parting of ways. If what they said was his asking price then he wanted to leave no one will give him that.
May 11th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Al Davis makes Darth Vader look like a punk.
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Seriously?
http://withleather.uproxx.com/2011/01/al-davis-looks-great
May 11th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Gallery has missed 14 games in 2 seasons. (I don’t have a link) In AD’s press conference he specifically singled out Grads for being injury prone. I don’t recall if he mentioned Gallery but I’m sure he doesn’t want to pay for that kind of performance.
May 11th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Al Davis makes Darth Vader look like a punk.
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Really, in what way?
http://media.mlive.com/lions_impact/photo/9219363-large.jpg
May 11th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Al Davis makes Darth Vader look like a punk.
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Wait, I think I do see a resemblance.
http://www.oddjack.com/wp-content/al_davis.jpg
May 11th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Priest, I think Lechler was real ready to go.
He is, however, the best punter that the Raiders have had since Ray Guy and there is no way that Al would let him go without massive benefits.
Comparing a player like Gallery with a player like Lechler is like comparing Campbell with Snake.
May 11th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
I think Gallery was’nt the only player on the team that felt that way about the Cable man. Have to say it bugged me in the beginging as well. Gallery may come around as well? He already got LT money to play gaurd and now he’s asking for it again? To all the guys bagging on Nick Miller, he’s got better hands than Murphy and of course DHB. If and when he’s released he’ll be a Pat.
May 11th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
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May 11th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
time to set it straight once and for all!!!
gallery wanted big time money Al counter offered and gallery walked, that is just business.
JC took longer than expected to digest the playbook, and get the verbiage and terminology down ( he admitted that) but that happens when you join a team in training camp. Then add into it the fact that the o-line was in constant flux and under achieving and the flip flop qb thing destroyed the early chemistry. Pretty basic when you think about it.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Oh, ok, priest. Al Davis has brought us “hope” in the last 4 years. ok…
May 11th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Comparing a player like Gallery with a player like Lechler is like comparing Campbell with Snake.
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Lets compare snake to jc. Jc is going into year 7, so we will compare the first 6 years of both careers.
Snake (all time raider great) att 992, comp 582, yds 7606, td 61, int 54.
JC att 1966, comp 1196, yds 13247, td 68, int 46.
very interesting, JC has nearly double the yards, but the td to int is similar. However snake didnt become a full time starter until year 4 or five. Also snake had better weapons to throw to most of his career here than jc had with the redskins. 1975 snake threw 16 tds and 24 ints.
Looks to me that JC will better than snake if he continues on the path that his career is on in terms of overall numbers. It also appears that JC is much more consistent and does a better job of protecting the football. Snake was a gun slinger, JC is a game manager, different styles altogether.
If jc wins a superbowl and he produces numbers similar to what he has over his career so far, would he be elevated above snake in all time raider history?
Hhhhmmmmmmm
May 11th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Once upon a time years ago I visited this site and a certain KK was harping on a subject.
Then upon a time a while later I visited this site and a certain KK was flagellating the same thought (I won’t call it an idea because that presupposes cognition).
Now upon a time I visit this site and lo and behold a certain KK is demonstrating an inability to move forward (or backward or sideways or upward or downward in any of the ten directions)from exactly the same limitations which seem to have consumed his gelid pattern.
Quite dull and uninteresting. Kinda like when a pile of mashed turnips try to sing karaoke. Dismal.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
JC vs. Gannon. Gannon produced techmo bowl type stats in oakland in a pass happy offense. In my opinion inflated numbers attributable to the system and the weapons. Just like spread offense college qbs’ think tim rattay. Gannons numbers although bloated cant be discounted. JC is a more gifted and talented player but he must either win a super bowl or produce better numbers to pass gannon in raider lore.
JC vs plunk. Plunk’s numbers are pedestrian, but the clutch play and superbowl victories make him number 1 all time qb in raider land. Doesnt matter if Jc has better numbers, he must win at least 1 superbowl in order to qualify for that conversation.
Jc vs snake. Snakes numbers dont blow you away either. JC will probably have better numbers than snake when said and done, but again he must win a super bowl to qualify for that as well.
In other words Jc needs a superbowl win, otherwise he can never rise higher than no.3 all time.
Plunk
Snake
Gannon
hostetler/lamonica
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May 11th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Yep, Let’s see if Al Davis changes his stripes at 82.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Mistic1 tha supavillain (who the fuk calls themselves something like that?)
You are comparing Snake to JC?!!!
“very interesting, JC has nearly double the yards”.
How many superbowls does JC have? How many times has he won the division? How many times has he won the AFC championship?
Go away idiot.
I was talking to Priest whose opinion I have some respect for not some effin moron.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Mistic1 tha supavillain (who the fuk calls themselves something like that?)
You are comparing Snake to JC?!!!
“very interesting, JC has nearly double the yards”.
How many superbowls does JC have? How many times has he won the division? How many times has he won the AFC championship?
Go away idiot.
I was talking to Priest whose opinion I have some respect for not some effin moron.
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LOL just the facts mam
I have only compared numbers (apples to apples).
Of course I dont have Jc on par with snake, did you read my post? Better question did you comprehend it, can you read at all?
Having said that Jc is producing better numbers at the same point in their careers. if JC wins a superbowl here this becomes a legitimate debate about which qb is higher on the all time raider qb list.
Dont get your panties in a bunch, the numbers speak for themselves.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Oh yeah i forgot, englandraider is a grads fan. LOL and you called me an idiot
May 11th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
post 380,you just woke me up!Not sure of youre age but youre young or need Laser Surgery on youre eyes,I agree with ENGLANDRAIDER in his last post,cept ER forgot all of Stablers two minute comebacks,reg season and Playoff games.Thats why so many of us have Passion about the Raiders now and then.I believe Snake should be in the Hall,IMO
May 11th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
We get it, Mistic. Jason Campbell is the best quarterback in the history of the NFL.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
‘Sup fellas.
Mystic1…Nobody’s pulling harder than me for JC to succeed in Oakland. After a very shaky start last year he rebounded and played much better down the stretch than he gets credit for,IMO.
I think he can be much better in his 2nd season, with more familiarity with (and hopefully much better play) from his WR’s.
With that being said..comparing JC’s stats with Stablers is kinda silly. Completely different eras. Different rules. DB’s like Mel Blount could just mug WR’s all over the field. For a QB to complete 60% back then was a rarity, almost freakish. Today that’s barely acceptable…the minimum. Passing (and receiving) stats have just exploded in the modern game.
And besides winning a SB, Stabler was one of the clutch QB’s of his or any era. The man led comeback miraculous wins in some of the most famous games in NFL history. Games with names, if you will.
JC could win 2 SB’s like Plunkett and still not replace The Snake in the hearts and minds of longtime Raider fans. Not that anybody would be complaining.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
# hendu Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
post 380,you just woke me up!Not sure of youre age but youre young or need Laser Surgery on youre eyes,I agree with ENGLANDRAIDER in his last post,cept ER forgot all of Stablers two minute comebacks,reg season and Playoff games.Thats why so many of us have Passion about the Raiders now and then.I believe Snake should be in the Hall,IMO
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I have snake as the second all time raider qb.
Jc will not be be in this discussion unless he wins a superbowl. i only pointed out that he is producing better numbers.
JC must win a superbowl to be in the discussion with snake and plunk.
you dont get it?
May 11th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Post 387,Yesssssssss,well said,Buckeyeraider!!!
May 11th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
# Buckeyeraider Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
‘Sup fellas.
Mystic1…Nobody’s pulling harder than me for JC to succeed in Oakland. After a very shaky start last year he rebounded and played much better down the stretch than he gets credit for,IMO.
I think he can be much better in his 2nd season, with more familiarity with (and hopefully much better play) from his WR’s.
With that being said..comparing JC’s stats with Stablers is kinda silly. Completely different eras. Different rules. DB’s like Mel Blount could just mug WR’s all over the field. For a QB to complete 60% back then was a rarity, almost freakish. Today that’s barely acceptable…the minimum. Passing (and receiving) stats have just exploded in the modern game.
And besides winning a SB, Stabler was one of the clutch QB’s of his or any era. The man led comeback miraculous wins in some of the most famous games in NFL history. Games with names, if you will.
JC could win 2 SB’s like Plunkett and still not replace The Snake in the hearts and minds of longtime Raider fans. Not that anybody would be complaining.
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Excellent points!!!!
However if Jc wins a superbowl it would make a fun debate.
As of now there is no debate, just interesting looking at the numbers.
Sea of hands, and heidi, plus the beat down they laid on minni, snake is an all time great.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
It is difficult to compare across eras. For instance how do you compare manning vs unitas? or roger the dodger and aikman? bart star and arron rogers. Do you use stats, wins and losses, or hardware?
Its fun to do, but ultimately its a matter of opinion.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Well, we now know, thanks to Mistic, that Campbell is better than Rich Gannon. Gannon was an MVP. So, we should at least be 11-5 this year. Right? Anyone?
May 11th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
If JC wins a Super Bowl? IF? He’s better than Gannon, isn’t he? Gannon got us to a Super Bowl. If Campbell is better than Gannon, then certainly Campbell should win us one. There’s no ifs about it, right Mistic? We are going to win the Super Bowl with Campbell, if he’s better than Gannon, as you say.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Athletes today are bigger and faster, no doubt.
But are they tougher? I don’t think so.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
1.) PLUNK 2 SUPERBOWLS
2.) SNAKE 1 SUPERBOWL
3.) LAMONICA 1 AFL CHAMPIONSHIP
4.) GANNON AWESOME NUMBERS
AFTER THIS POINT ITS DEBATABLE WHO FITS WHERE ON THE LIST
May 11th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
MR con Fatt kidd
May 11th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
# RAIDER Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Well, we now know, thanks to Mistic, that Campbell is better than Rich Gannon. Gannon was an MVP. So, we should at least be 11-5 this year. Right? Anyone?
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RMR stop looking for back up. LMAO
May 11th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
# Buckeyeraider Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
With that being said..comparing JC’s stats with Stablers is kinda silly. Completely different eras. Different rules. DB’s like Mel Blount could just mug WR’s all over the field. For a QB to complete 60% back then was a rarity, almost freakish. Today that’s barely acceptable…the minimum. Passing (and receiving) stats have just exploded in the modern game.
And besides winning a SB, Stabler was one of the clutch QB’s of his or any era. The man led comeback miraculous wins in some of the most famous games in NFL history. Games with names, if you will.
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This is another reason why I often say stats alone dont always tell the whole story. Snake was able to win without his A game on many occasions, relying on pure grit and determination. Stats simply dont reflect this attribute.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Mistic, the AFL had become the AFC by the time Gannon played. So, theoretically, Gannon won an AFL title, just as Lamonica did.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
The Snake That mofo walked on water as far as i am concerned…When he walked on the field you automatically knew we were going to win…
The 76′ Raiders were the greatest team in NFL history
May 11th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Twocents Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Athletes today are bigger and faster, no doubt.
But are they tougher? I don’t think so.
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The league was a lot diffrent. They let the guys play for the most part…Non of this proctect the qb stuff…Only protection a QB has was his oline…
Game is much diffrent
May 11th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
‘76 Raiders best in history? Eh. I’m as big of a fan of the ’70s Raiders as anyone, but to be honest, they might not have even been the best team that year. They got a gift from the refs in the divisional playoff game against New England (something many Pat fans brought up when they got the tuck call), and Steelers had some key injuries. Wasn’t Harris injured? I know a couple of their key players were. The ’70s Raiders were awesome though. It was a different time, back when Al used to let people run the team.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Thec07,with you on that,from the Franco BS,to the fumble in Denver,on and ON it goes with the 70s.Great times,then,period!As they say,those were the Days! That said,RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 11th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
The thing with JC is, I think it goes back to the old adage about the importance of making a good first impression. In JC’s case it couldn’t have gone much worse.
The excitement of opening day and they go to Tenn and get thumped. Sacks, fumbles…and the critical error of sliding short of the first down. Taking a knee. Everything just seemed out of synch. It was awful.
It didn’t get much better in the home opener against a mediocre Rams team. After a lackluster half, to suffer the indignity of getting pulled. At halftime of his first game in front of the home fans? Pitiful.
The general concensus of most Raider fans was probably “Good Lawd, this guy sucks”. That’s a feeling that’s hard to shake. Hard to overcome.
He still had some rough moments, but overall steadied himself and played some decent football.
With another season to get familiar with his receivers, he can get even better. I like the leadership role he’s taking.
I don’t know that he’ll ever emerge to be an elite qb, but with that ground game, and his mobility and play action skills, the Raiders offense can get much better. They can win with JC at QB, IMO.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Darn,wish I could recall the year,but that had a computer that was fed info in deciding the best team,best Super Bowl team,and the winner was? The 1976 Oakland Raiders,so I agree with Thec07 and the frigin computer
May 11th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Another new i.p. Adress mr? What are you worried about?
May 11th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Well one stat that was omitted in the great Stabler vs. Soup debate, is that Stabler made the playoffs (and won at least one playoff game) each of his first 5 years starting.
After 5 years of starting for Campbell, he has yet to win a meaningful game after Thanksgiving.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Stabler sat on the bench for 4 years, stepped into a winning organization with HOF’ers everywhere.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
1.) PLUNK 2 SUPERBOWLS
2.) SNAKE 1 SUPERBOWL
3.) LAMONICA 1 AFL CHAMPIONSHIP
4.) GANNON AWESOME NUMBERS
AFTER THIS POINT ITS DEBATABLE WHO FITS WHERE ON THE LIST
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Only for people who never seen them play.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Happy belated Birthday, Vegas.
Hopefully Soup exceeds your expectations this year.
Like you’ve said, though…alot of this years success or failure is going to depend on the the rebuilt O-line. Possibly only one returning starter in Veldheer. That’s a lot of turnover. We shall see.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Awwwww…it’s nice to see guys reminiscing about the old days and not verbally beating each other. Raider on!
May 11th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Speaking of The Snake….earlier today NFLN showed “Top 10 players not in the hall of fame.” Stabler was no. 6. Musberger said he couldn’t believe Stabler wasn’t in. Even that obnoxious Steeler guy they always interview thought Snake was a hall of famer.
Hell, they could’ve done a seperate episode. “Top 10 Raiders not in the Hall of Fame”. lol.
Branch and Guy were barely mentioned. Neither made the top 10. In fact, the voiceover announcer had the line “have the Silver and Black been blacklisted?”
Atkinson cracks me up on those shows. How the hell did Marblemouth get annointed as the official spokesman of The Oakland Raiders? He is passionate, though.LOL.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Raccoon why are you logging ip addresses? A little deep for a football blog, no?
May 11th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Well, at least JaJason is giving Raider fans something to be optimistic about during the lockout and off-season.
Props to Campbell for organizing workouts and taking charge. It’s great that he wants to be a leader.
Enjoy the feel good moment, Nation.
There’s a reason JaJason got dumped by the Skins. There’s a reason JaJason was benched by the Raids.
He’s a good guy that can’t get it done in the NFL.
Raids better secure a better backup than Boller because JC will not make it through the 2011 season as the starter.
JaJason sucks.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
I sincerely hope Al Davis isn’t referring to Raider teams 30 years ago to build his teams today. If he is, that explains it.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Heck yeah! I’ve been telling everyone all day, “Our QB’s working out! He’s working out! Look out for the Raiders!!!”
May 11th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
What r you talkin bout mr? You are the one who said you changed your ip adress.
What’s the matter, afraid your mouth has written checks your arse can’t cash?
It’s none of my business though.
So besides being drafted 5 picks early, what are your thoughts on Wiz 2.0?
I posted that pick back in November of 2010
May 11th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
lol. Another Norco Bob. Hey, if you know who I am, I’ll see ya when I see ya, Raccoon. So far, you’re the only one writing checks with your mouth.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
402.RAIDER Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
‘76 Raiders best in history? Eh. I’m as big of a fan of the ’70s Raiders as anyone, but to be honest, they might not have even been the best team that year. They got a gift from the refs in the divisional playoff game against New England (something many Pat fans brought up when they got the tuck call), and Steelers had some key injuries. Wasn’t Harris injured? I know a couple of their key players were. The ’70s Raiders were awesome though. It was a different time, back when Al used to let people run the team.
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I think the three best teams in football those years all played in the AFC; Miami, the Raiders and Pittsburgh. It’s really too bad that only one of them at a time got to go to the Super Bowl.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
I think the three best teams in football those years all played in the AFC; Miami, the Raiders and Pittsburgh. It’s really too bad that only one of them at a time got to go to the Super Bowl
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It’s really sad to me, who sat in the Coliseum through those Titanic rivalries, that the only organization whose not competeting now is the Raiders.
May 11th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
KK,dont be sad,just buy some tickets,get youre arse back into those seats,if ya need a few bucks,see mr,raider,mrs,abpaine,whatever,lol cant remember all the names,Raiders!!!!!!
May 11th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Scotty. If iI said something that upsat you I appoligize.
Anyway I don’t write checks bro, I pay in Cash!
So your thoughts on Wiz 2.0?
Hey I seen Chris Cortez at Corti Bros Market on Saturday he was asking how you were. Would you like me to pass on your contact info?
May 11th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Some people act as if Al Davis doesn’t know himself why would he need to refer back to any time. That’s like trying remember how to be yourself, Al Davis is who he is. If you don’t like him tough! he is who he is.
May 11th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
I think the three best teams in football those years all played in the AFC; Miami, the Raiders and Pittsburgh. It’s really too bad that only one of them at a time got to go to the Super Bowl
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It’s really sad to me, who sat in the Coliseum through those Titanic rivalries, that the only organization who’s not competing now is the Raiders.
Any old-timers recall?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:15 am
Well, you think my name’s Scotty, so obviously you got your geek squad ip locator at Wal Mart, where you get everything else.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:18 am
priest, Al Davis isn’t unique. The business world is full of failures, Al’s just one of them. He just dresses funnier than the others.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:23 am
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
I’m not quite the old-timer you are, hater…but I do recall.
KK — Why do you insist on spreading falsehoods…when you everybody knows you’re full of, umm, spit, and can’t be trusted to bring forth facts?
The Miami Dolphins finished last year — the 2010 season — at 7-9. I seem to recall our beloved Raiders finishing a disappointing, yet competitive 8-8. And…before Parcells took the reins there 4 years ago, Miami was 1-15.
Regardless of how the Raiders have fared the past decade(which we know oh-so-well), what game/s of significance has Miami won during that time?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:26 am
And, more importantly…are the Raiders competitive NOW, or whenever now is this year?
Only playing the games will tell us that answer…
May 12th, 2011 at 12:33 am
Only the most stubborn type of hater won’t acknowledge how competitive the Raiders were last year…even while falling all over themselves in tragic ways for the entire season.
Come on, admit it…since AL has reasserted his presence in recent times, the Raiders have become a more competitive Team!
Join in, MR…Al’s found a way to make the Raiders competitive again!! Let’s hear it for Al, you guys! You know you want to…
May 12th, 2011 at 12:42 am
429. They started out bad and didn’t gain traction till a few games in. Some of the wins were pretty close contests and others massive blow outs.
Somewhere in between lies the Championship
May 12th, 2011 at 3:19 am
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May 12th, 2011 at 5:46 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
So, is it now that we have towait til june 3rd?
May 12th, 2011 at 6:13 am
We were competitive last year, but fell short due to different failures (coaching as well as players).. This year has good potential, but it is impossible to say how competitive we will be before we know how the squad will look like! Worst Case scenario we loose both #21, Huffy, Bush, Z Miller, Walker, Gallery, Satele, Henderson, Barnes and Howard, without getting any starterworthy FA’s ourselves (dont think it will happen, but there are many potential outcomes and outlooks of the squad) – Miller, Bush and Satele will probably be kept if RFA is kept in a new agreeement (as well as Big Al would probably pay the price to keep Miller and Bush), but loosing the others is pretty realistic! – and in that case a lot depends on who will be brought in..
B. Campbell, Big Barks, Veldheer, Loper, Wiz and Satele creates an unexperienced line with uncertainty and lack of depth – certainly great potential and talent, but the Line can show up to need much more work than time allows, which could be a problem if no one experienced is brought in to start! How will the scheme change as well as the change of personel influence the Runninggame as well as the pass protection? How long will it take to gel and will they all be ready to start from season start (Campbell, Wiz and Big Barks who will need to show they indeed have what is needed)? Yanda and Gaither (Bal), Clabo and Dahl(Atl) are possibilities, but especially the Atl guys will be costly..
The WR spot is cloudy – Will DHB who reportedly bulked up to 235 + lbs become a legit #1? Will Chaz stay healthy and can he have the impact that has been trompeted before? This group has great potential and depth, but will anyone step up and become the unquestioned starters? Or will another FA be brought in? This area will most likely not be adressed in FA as they like the guys we have and will be hesitant to steal snaps from them by getting a veteran brought in – unless they feel he is a longer term answer! Rice and Floyd seems to be potential targets because of the size and ability, but odds are that none will be brought in..
Will Campbell improve in his second year with the same offensive philosophy or will he run hot and cold as he did several times last year? Will he be able to exist behind the line and connect with recievers after getting time to get a chemistry? And what if he doesn’t or is injured – will Boller be able to get us a W or will we bring in another FA or UDFA QB?
WOLB is an uncertainty as neither Groves, Scott or Goethel seem to be quality starters right now – one of them might develope and become a strength, but the play of this spot is uncertain! Manny Lawson (SF) would be a perfect FA signing imo as he has all the attributes needed for the position as well as he fits the mold the Raiders are looking for, but Rocky (Was) would help as well..
The DE’s are solid in Houston and Shaugh, but the depth is shallow and an injury could have huge impact. DT rotation seems good as well, but another body to help against physical running teams and as security to injuries could be of help. Edwards (Min), Kiwanuka and Cofield(NYG), Johnson (Car) and Jenkins (GB) are potential targets bolster the Dline.
The Secondary is a great uncertainty as well – Will anyone be able to take over after #21 if he is not retained, and how good will the different unexperienced players play (or can CJ who was burned repeatedly last year after injury become what he was in 6 month that got him his contract?)? Will either Branch or Mitchell the Missile be able to play single deep safety if Huffy isnt retained, or is it in fact between Eugene and Brown who seems to be fighting for a spot but haven’t shown the consistancy in play to merit a starter spot before? Secondary help depends on whether #21 and/or Huffy is released, but the team is loaded with young unproven replacements, so getting a serious and experienced leader would be an idea. Dont see us getting CB help with all the prospects on the team though, and FS is thin in this years FA class, this seems like a potential problem unless Brown or Eugene can make an unexpected giant leap early on and become a legit starter!
Many questions and uncertainties and it is impossible to say if we will be competitive before we know how the squad actually looks and how they perform in camp! The schedule is harder this year, and teams like Jets, Pats and Packers will all be able to adjust and take advantage of even small weaknesses and mistakes, so we need to be on top from the start! Also sweeping the division again seems pretty difficult, and we will have to improve against teams outside the division!
I personally believe we have a lot of potential, but Big Al will need to bring in key FA’s to help the veterans to anchor and lead this young team in the right direction, and there is plenty FA’s that would fit what we’re doing!
We’re off to a good start and we have the potential to make a splash this year and being contenders in the division! .. But much may change before the season, and we need to make key resignings and FA signings to become a truly legitimate contender, and we wont know where we stand before the Lockout is lifted and the final pieces of the puzzle is collected and in place!
Do what is needed Big Al, make us a contender for the upcoming season!
May 12th, 2011 at 6:21 am
Buckeyeraider Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Happy belated Birthday, Vegas.
Hopefully Soup exceeds your expectations this year.
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Thank you sir.
My expectations for Soup is that he will be an average to SLIGHTLY above-average QB, who will play real well in a few games, and also really bad in a few, a less than 2-1 TD to turnover ratio (has never been above 2-1 in his career, always around 1.7 to 1) and a few pissing his pants moments like Tenn and Pittsburgh last year.
He is good enough for this team now, as we try to figure out our WR’s and secondary, and of course the run defense.
But once we get all that fixed, which could be this year, than we will need to upgrade our QB to take that next step.
Soup seems like a helluva dude, a hard-worker who is doing his best to lead and get the guys moving in the right direction. My biggest concern is his lack of big game situations. He has been mired in the nowheresville of the NFL after Thanksgiving day, and never won or even played in any type of playoff-type atmosphere game before.
But he earned the right to be our QB in 2012, and I hope he stays healthy and takes a few steps in the right direction. I will maintain my extremely cautious optimism stance at this stage in the game.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:30 am
Wow…over an hour of inactivity….AM Crew? I know, nothing new to talk about…check back later
May 12th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Sup Hwnrdr.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Haze Daze, yes, the Raiders were more competitive in ‘10 than in previous years. But I don’t see Al’s stamp on the new found competitiveness. I see Cable’s stamp on it. I think hard nosed mentality finally rubbed off on the players. I saw a smash mouth team. Most of the deep passing was play action. That’s not Al Davis.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Also, Haze, I find it interesting that in your ode to Al Davis turning the Raiders around, you never mention Hue Jackson.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:51 am
Good Morning Bcz24, RAIDER…
May 12th, 2011 at 7:56 am
It wasnt tom cable that turned us around. He took over a 2-2 team with a top running game and went 2-8. Then he went 5-11 with the worst offense in football and sunk us to the bottom 10 in rushing. Hue Jackson came on board and we went 8-8 and were the #2 rushing team in football and our draft was noticeably better. Hue Jackson was the reason for the turn around in my opinion.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:57 am
You can have all the talent you like on the OL line but it takes time to jell
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Agree with ENGLAND!
May 12th, 2011 at 7:59 am
I remember all the Laker fans saying “the Heat will never make it past Boston” after they traded for LeBron James …
what happened?
May 12th, 2011 at 7:59 am
was reading yesterday fools were saying the offense has to learn huhs system what? we were running his system
May 12th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Its not hard to see why the team was competitive in 10….there was finally a competent coach on staff. Hue Jackson, like Gruden before him, is a good coach and good coaches win in this league. He will probably have some success here but it will only be a matter of time before the Crypt Keeper gets jealous and effectively runs him out of town. Hue Jackson will NOT be in Oaklnd 3 years from today….as soon as he wins, teams, college and pro, will be knocking on his door and away he will go. Good coaches simply dont work for Al Davis for very long.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:02 am
It wasnt tom cable that turned us around
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Cable was hired along with Kiffin after the 2006 debacle. Compare that O-Line to the ones we’ve had since then. night & day difference with no OL in the first 2 rounds of any draft and no big named vets in free agency
Impressive.
6-0 in the AFC West and 8-8 record in under 3 seasons with guys like Russell & Gradkowski to start out with at QB?
WOW
May 12th, 2011 at 8:03 am
4 real M.R has how many login names now this whole lobby is probably him
May 12th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Its not hard to see why the team was competitive in 10….there was finally a competent coach on staff. Hue Jackson, like Gruden before him, is a good coach and good coaches win in this league.
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Hue Jackson was a failed OC in Washington & Atlanta.
the Raiders offense improved because Al Davis dumped JaWalrus and traded for Jason Campbell. Davis drafted Jacoby Ford & Jared Veldheer. McFadden stayed healthy for the most part. Reece was Al’s pet project since 2008. Davis finally cut ties with Luke Lawton, Javon Walker & Justin Fargas.
Al Davis gets the credit for offensive improvements.
Hue Jackson was here to be a creative play caller and received mixed reviews in that dept. He was hired as HC because #1 he wanted the job and #2 Davis found a young guy that respects him enough to listen to orders and follow through with the Air Coryell gameplan
May 12th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Hue Jackson was a failed OC in Washington & Atlanta.
the Raiders offense improved because Al Davis dumped JaWalrus and traded for Jason Campbell. Davis drafted Jacoby Ford & Jared Veldheer. McFadden stayed healthy for the most part. Reece was Al’s pet project since 2008. Davis finally cut ties with Luke Lawton, Javon Walker & Justin Fargas.
Al Davis gets the credit for offensive improvements.
Hue Jackson was here to be a creative play caller and received mixed reviews in that dept. He was hired as HC because #1 he wanted the job and #2 Davis found a young guy that respects him enough to listen to orders and follow through with the Air Coryell gameplan
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Rue the Day Hue Jackson edition:
1.RaiderRockstar
May 12th, 2011 at 8:25 am
5. Bruce Gradkowski, Raiders
Scouting Report: He’s essentially Jeff Garcia. An undersized scrambler, Gradkowski ran a 4.5-flat at his 2006 Pro Day and has averaged 4.2 yards per rushing attempt in his career. While Gradkowski’s arm strength and per-attempt passing stats are thoroughly unimpressive, he has shown the ability to move an offense for short stretches, mostly with improvisation. The 28-year-old has played primarily in West Coast-style offenses. While he’s a bottom-barrel No. 2 quarterback, Gradkowski can provide a spark and would probably be one of the better No. 3s in the league.
Availability: The Raiders moved on from Gradkowski after axing his biggest fan, former head coach Tom Cable. Not receiving a tender, Gradkowski could resurface as a backup with Cable in Seattle. Because of his limited arm talent, Gradkowski is a quarterback who must be manipulated by the offense he plays in. A horizontal passing attack would suit his skills best.
Prediction: Seahawks on a one-year, $850,000 contract.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/37906/59/the-2011-quarterback-market?pg=1
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Better ranking than I would have given him. I guess age was a major consideration. Accurate synopsis though.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Bcz, until some agency conducts a battery of lie detector tests on every single employee of the Raiders, I’m going to assume that last year’s turnaround was thanks to Cable. That’s what I saw. Nothing you’re going to say is going to convince me otherwise. I saw a smash mouth football team, all up Cable’s ally. The deep passing game that opened up last year was from the play action. Heck, I saw an offense just punching unsuspecting defenses in the mouth, sort of like Cable punching Randy Hanson. There was a Tom Cable signature everywhere you looked on last year’s team. Basically, I’m looking at a wall painted blue, and you’re telling me it’s orange.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 7:59 am
I remember all the Laker fans saying “the Heat will never make it past Boston” after they traded for LeBron James …
what happened?
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Boston traded Kendrick Perkins.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Tom Cable was not a good head coach. And his Oline punched someone in the mouth? What game was that?
Any chance Wauffle and his Dline had anything to do with the physical play of our team last year?
I liked the bowling shirts though, lol.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:39 am
GM Raider Nation!
May 12th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Lakers, Boston, San Antonio all out by rd 2.
OKC vs Dallas
Miami vs Chicago
I have to roll with my favorite player in the league Dirk Diggler!
May 12th, 2011 at 8:42 am
I can’t say whether or not Tom Cable is a good head coach. I’ll defer to the experts on that. All I can comment on is what I see. And when I looked at the 2010 Raiders, I saw Cable’s stamp ALL OVER IT.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Watching BSPN this morning and they were talking about FA WR’s. Sidney Rice’s name came up and they were saying he’s only 25…I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the Silver and Black he should be hitting his prime soon!
May 12th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Team that plays the best defense is winning the finals. Hope that helps.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:46 am
RAIDER Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Bcz, until some agency conducts a battery of lie detector tests on every single employee of the Raiders, I’m going to assume that last year’s turnaround was thanks to Cable. That’s what I saw. Nothing you’re going to say is going to convince me otherwise. I saw a smash mouth football team, all up Cable’s ally. The deep passing game that opened up last year was from the play action. Heck, I saw an offense just punching unsuspecting defenses in the mouth, sort of like Cable punching Randy Hanson. There was a Tom Cable signature everywhere you looked on last year’s team. Basically, I’m looking at a wall painted blue, and you’re telling me it’s orange.
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You are color blind then. Our oline was pitiful under Cable, and only improved as we moved away from Cables zbs and infused in some big ogres, which fit Hues scheme. Only reason Tom was allowed to stay around last year was because Al wasnt going to pay him NOT to be there.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Im with JHill on this… the ONLY ’smash mouth’ about Cable was him beating up a guy half his size. Dont you remember Tom Cables ‘Contact Free Training Camp’
May 12th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Gruden is a homo and so are you.
Don’t forget to take your MEDS today.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Our o line was pitiful? BCZ, you can’t win 8 games when the offensive line is “pitiful”. It just doesn’t happen. I’d agree that the line had some problems. But pitiful? No. The offense has a whole last year was much improved, and it was a smash mouth offense. Most of our deep passing was play action.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Best defense in the playoffs so far????
Carlisle and his Mavs are CERTAINLY in the conversation.
Go Diggler!
May 12th, 2011 at 8:58 am
lol. Why do you watch ESPN when you call it “BSPN”? Wouldn’t the “BS” imply that the network has their information wrong? Knowing this, you still watch it? Weird.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:59 am
“Dr. Hunter”, how do you know Gruden is a homo? Uh oh…is this why you’re so mad at him? Did he break some promises, girlfriend?
May 12th, 2011 at 9:00 am
My bad…it was a typo.
lol..
May 12th, 2011 at 9:02 am
No wonder you couldn’t sell a screenplay.
All of your “characters” are ONE NOTE.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Nice writeup Harder2000, Took a lot of work/typing. Your work is not unnoticed.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:04 am
1. We were competitive last year, but fell short due to different failures (coaching as well as players).. This year has good potential, but it is impossible to say how competitive we will be before we know how the squad will look like! Worst Case scenario we lose both #21, Huffy, Bush, Z Miller, Walker, Gallery, Satele, Henderson, Barnes and Howard, without getting any starter worthy FA’s ourselves (don’t think it will happen, but there are many potential outcomes and outlooks of the squad) – Miller, Bush and Satele will probably be kept if RFA is kept in a new agreement (as well as Big Al would probably pay the price to keep Miller and Bush), but losing the others is pretty realistic! – and in that case a lot depends on who will be brought in..
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The first and third tenders for Miller and Bush will make it near impossible they are going anywhere. At least that is what I have heard.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:05 am
How long will it take to gel and will they all be ready to start from season start (Campbell, Wiz and Big Barks who will need to show they indeed have what is needed)? Yanda and Gaither (Bal), Clabo and Dahl(Atl) are possibilities, but especially the Atl guys will be costly..
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I would endorse any one of these guys and maybe 2 to compete with our group.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:06 am
The WR spot is cloudy – Will DHB who reportedly bulked up to 235 + lbs become a legit #1? Will Chaz stay healthy and can he have the impact that has been trumpeted before? This group has great potential and depth, but will anyone step up and become the unquestioned starters? Or will another FA be brought in? This area will most likely not be addressed in FA as they like the guys we have and will be hesitant to steal snaps from them by getting a veteran brought in – unless they feel he is a longer term answer! Rice and Floyd seems to be potential targets because of the size and ability, but odds are that none will be brought in..
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What about Ocho or Steve Smith? Any opinions on them? And why Rice and/or Floyd?
May 12th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Will Campbell improve in his second year with the same offensive philosophy or will he run hot and cold as he did several times last year? Will he be able to exist behind the line and connect with receivers after getting time to get chemistry? And what if he doesn’t or is injured – will Boller be able to get us a W or will we bring in another FA or UDFA QB?
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I think we need to dip our foot in the FA QB market. Boller is not the backup we need if Campbell gets hurt again.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:07 am
WOLB is an uncertainty as neither Groves, Scott or Goethel seem to be quality starters right now – one of them might develop and become a strength, but the play of this spot is uncertain! Manny Lawson (SF) would be a perfect FA signing imo as he has all the attributes needed for the position as well as he fits the mold the Raiders are looking for, but Rocky (Was) would help as well..
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Lawson and Rocky would be nice, but this team already has some decent depth here. I don’t think we need to overspend on a point of strength.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:07 am
How do you attribute the “smash mouth offense” to Cable?
Hue Jackson installed power schemes instead of the ZBS. There were no signs of “smash mouth” prior to us basically junking the ZBS.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:07 am
The DE’s are solid in Houston and Shaughnessy, but the depth is shallow and an injury could have huge impact. DT rotation seems good as well, but another body to help against physical running teams and as security to injuries could be of help. Edwards (Min), Kiwanuka and Cofield(NYG), Johnson (Car) and Jenkins (GB) are potential targets bolster the Dline.
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Again, this is a position of strength if not depth.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:08 am
The Secondary is a great uncertainty as well – Will anyone be able to take over after #21 if he is not retained, and how good will the different inexperienced players play (or can CJ who was burned repeatedly last year after injury become what he was in 6 month that got him his contract?)? Will either Branch or Mitchell the Missile be able to play single deep safety if Huffy isnt retained, or is it in fact between Eugene and Brown who seems to be fighting for a spot but haven’t shown the consistancy in play to merit a starter spot before? Secondary help depends on whether #21 and/or Huffy is released, but the team is loaded with young unproven replacements, so getting a serious and experienced leader would be an idea. Dont see us getting CB help with all the prospects on the team though, and FS is thin in this years FA class, this seems like a potential problem unless Brown or Eugene can make an unexpected giant leap early on and become a legit starter!
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I really think that losing Nnamdi is already conceded. Al has to overpay to keep Huff on board, the safety spot would open up as an Achilles heel if he left. I am hopeful that our new CB’s DVD and Chekwa can get into a crowded competition for a couple of spots with Ware and Brown. Big concern to me is CJ who isn’t getting any younger and needs to be replaced. Stan will have to step up his game now that Nam is gone. I don’t think Al goes to free agency for help. These guys are going to have learn “trial by fire”.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Many questions and uncertainties and it is impossible to say if we will be competitive before we know how the squad actually looks and how they perform in camp! The schedule is harder this year, and teams like Jets, Pats and Packers will all be able to adjust and take advantage of even small weaknesses and mistakes, so we need to be on top from the start! Also sweeping the division again seems pretty difficult, and we will have to improve against teams outside the division!
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Agree about not being to forecast how competitive the Raiders will be. All the reasons you stated means it will be that much tougher.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:08 am
I personally believe we have a lot of potential, but Big Al will need to bring in key FA’s to help the veterans to anchor and lead this young team in the right direction, and there is plenty FA’s that would fit what we’re doing!
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The only key FA’s I am personally hoping for are one or two FA OL and a vet WR like Ochocinco or Floyd, and we need to address our backup QB spot now that Grads is gone.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:09 am
We’re off to a good start and we have the potential to make a splash this year and being contenders in the division! .. But much may change before the season, and we need to make key resignings and FA signings to become a truly legitimate contender, and we wont know where we stand before the Lockout is lifted and the final pieces of the puzzle is collected and in place!
Do what is needed Big Al, make us a contender for the upcoming season!
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I’m drinking the kool-aid too bro.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:15 am
J Hill, I think you’re splitting hairs. Last year, I saw the same team since 2007 finally coming out of their shell. I saw the Kiffin/Cable system. You’re telling me Hue Jackson came in and changed it..I didn’t see any change. Same plays. Same everything from the Kiffin era.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Don’t forget – our schedule was about as easy as it gets in the NFL last year. I still think there is a tonof “stepping up” left to be done. I do think we are headed in the right direction – I do think HJ is an improvment, I will miss Cable and his no nonsense football. With all the new guys we really need to get this lockout over with and get these guys in camp. The longer it last the worse we are going to be. I like JC but I think he has a lot to prove to the fans before we drink his kool aid.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Oh, our schedule was easy last year? I thought we were better because Hue Jackson turned the team around? I was just starting to come around to your guys’ theory that Hue Jackson is really to credit for last year’s improvement. But now you’re saying it’s because of an easy schedule. We were really just a glorified 5-11 team. Well, that’s a bummer. Hey, you guys are the experts. Guess we’ll have to go with that, then.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:32 am
I saw a somewhat different offense last year. May simply be the new play caller. But I didn’t see the normal dive up the middle, dive right, incomplete on 3rd down. Saw a few more pulls and traps from the Oline and a lot more screens.
Look, I thought the entire right side of the Oline was trash for the most part. Satele and Carlisle in particular were on skates going backwards more often than not. I didn’t see smash mouth at all. Saw some big runs from DMac that were mostly on him and his speed.
I wish we could just line up on 3rd and 2 and smash through for a 1st dn.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Not having Nnamdi is a real concen but it’s not devastating as it would’ve been 3 years ago before he signed that massive contract because Woodson was gone and the others were just nowhere near up to par. But now not only do we have good experience and depth we may have drafted a potential great player in DVD and I think he and Routt CJ and the kid Ware played well at times last year. I watched the KC home game and the away game when Nnamdi was out, you couldn’t even tell he wasn’t in the lineup. Ware aquitted himself well made several plays even a pick in the endzone. And at safety even without Huff we’re fairly deep. So While I would rather have them both back I’m not as afraid as I was before the draft of losing them both.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Even MR knows we didn’t run USC’s offense last year.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Am I the only person who remembers Nnamdi getting picked on by Randy Moss in the mud.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Morning peoples!
May 12th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Great corners make plays.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Like I said……
Mavs vs Heat Finals
May 12th, 2011 at 9:43 am
CIN – Could keep WR Chad Ochocinco as insurance
Source: Bengals.com – Geoff Hobson
The Cincinnati Bengals may keep WR Chad Ochocinco on the roster as insurance in case WR A.J. Green decides to hold out of training camp because of his contract.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:43 am
No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master.
Go Raiders!
May 12th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Citing people inside the organization, the Washington Post reports that the Redskins have “money to spend” and are “champing at the bit” to use it in unrestricted free agency. Some of the top free agent names linked to Washington are CB Nnamdi Asomugha and DE Corey Williams, as well as QB Vince Young after he’s released.
Related: Redskins
Source: Washington Post
May 12th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Many in here are desparate for a vet WR, I’m not for the very same reason I just describe for the secondary. Last year would’ve helped tremendously this the draft IMO helped deepen this unit. It brought a real talent a pure route running great hands rec’r with speed 4.37 we were very lucky to get Ford last year who I think is going to really take off. At some point I”M confident DHB is going to explode. I haven’t even mentioned Murphy and Chaz who both could do the same. There is just way too much talent and skill there. A vet would help yes but I’m not desparate for one. If he comes good if he doesn’t Oh well.
I’m much more concerned about the Oline and getting that fixed finally which is why I tjought we hired Cable who left it just as bad as when we got him. He never got that unit to play well and for that reason I’m glad he’s gone.
I just want the Oline DONE!!!!!!! NOW!!!!! we’ve thrown draft ick after draft at it I want it DOONNNNEE!
May 12th, 2011 at 9:45 am
CAR – More on WR Steve Smith
Source: ProFootballWeekly.com – Eric Edholm
Carolina Panthers WR Steve Smith said Tuesday, May 10, that he played through a pulled quadriceps muscle, a left leg injury and a rolled ankle for most of last season. ‘Did I lose a step? Anyone would lose a step when you’re playing on one leg,’ Smith said.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:46 am
CSN Bay Area’s Paul Gutierrez believes third-rounder Joseph Barksdale has a “real shot” at winning the starting right tackle job this summer.
Langston Walker is reportedly considering retirement, Khalif Barnes is an unrestricted free agent, and four-year vet Mario Henderson could also end up hitting the open market. Walker was among the NFL’s premier run-blocking tackles last season, so there could be a falloff if Barksdale takes over.
Related: Langston Walker, Mario Henderson
Source: CSN Bay Area
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Don’t know too much about this guy, but I sure do hope he can play to his potential.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Not sure if it’s been discussed, but have you all heard about the dooshbag Reggie Bush has been tweeting:
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New Orleans Saints running back Reggie Bush stirred up controversy again Monday with his Twitter account.
“Everybody complaining about the lockout! Shoot I’m making the most of it! Vacation, rest, relaxing, appearances here and there! I’m good!”
That drew a good bit of negative comments from his followers. Bush followed with:
“FYI last tweet was a joke! Relax people damn it’s called sense of humor! Cry me a river why don’t you…”
May 12th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Well, J Hill, I saw Cable’s offense last year. We can play this game all day. You’re not going to convince me that I didn’t see something that I saw.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Source: ESPN.com
Receiver Steve Smith says he hasn’t demanded a trade but has asked the Carolina Panthers to be “in a competitive situation.”
Smith contacted Pro Football Weekly on Tuesday so he could clear up reports that he wanted out of Carolina.
“These people that keep writing these articles, none of them have even spoken to me. What I want to do is be classy and not tip my cards, be respectful to the [Panthers] organization,” he told the publication.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:50 am
McNabb not “black enough” LMAO
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Boxer Bernard Hopkins, a Philadelphia Eagles fan, has ripped Donovan McNabb before. On Tuesday, he took his apparent disdain for the quarterback to another level.
Hopkins, in Philadelphia for his May 21 fight against Jean Pascal, invited reporters to watch him train Tuesday and decided to take additional verbal jabs at McNabb and even implied that the Washington Redskins quarterback wasn’t black enough.
“Forget this,” Hopkins said, according to the Philadelphia Daily News, and pointed to his own skin. “He’s got a suntan. That’s all.”
May 12th, 2011 at 9:52 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Hue Jackson was a failed OC in Washington & Atlanta.
the Raiders offense improved because Al Davis dumped JaWalrus and traded for Jason Campbell. Davis drafted Jacoby Ford & Jared Veldheer. McFadden stayed healthy for the most part. Reece was Al’s pet project since 2008. Davis finally cut ties with Luke Lawton, Javon Walker & Justin Fargas.
Al Davis gets the credit for offensive improvements.
Hue Jackson was here to be a creative play caller and received mixed reviews in that dept. He was hired as HC because #1 he wanted the job and #2 Davis found a young guy that respects him enough to listen to orders and follow through with the Air Coryell gameplan
# bcz24 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Hue Jackson was a failed OC in Washington & Atlanta.
the Raiders offense improved because Al Davis dumped JaWalrus and traded for Jason Campbell. Davis drafted Jacoby Ford & Jared Veldheer. McFadden stayed healthy for the most part. Reece was Al’s pet project since 2008. Davis finally cut ties with Luke Lawton, Javon Walker & Justin Fargas.
Al Davis gets the credit for offensive improvements.
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Sorry guys this is simply untrue for many reasons.
Hue wasnt a failed oc. Hue worked under two of the worst head coaches in nfl history in spurrior and petrino, those guys called their own plays. hue basically would run meetings and practice. Bobby petrino quit on the falcons, then the players quit, and the team went into a tailspin. This does not give you any way to know what kind of coordinator he was, as his duties were limited, and the circumstance was, to put it mildly, less than ideal.
Davis didnt hire hu jack because hu jack will submit to the air coryell offense. He hired him because Hue is already an expert in the vertical passing game, and a couple of different forms of the coryell offense. Hue worked under cam cameron, who came from norv turner. Turner learned from ermie zampese, who coached directly under Don Coryell.
He was under our boy chuky at the university of the pacific. Gruden of course is a student of walsh who was a student of coryell and davis. walsh changed the personel groupings and shortened the routs in the coryell scheme, which birthed the so called west coast offense.
Any way you slice it the gilman, davis, coryell, roots run deep. This is one of the main reasons for Hu Jacks hire, as it was for gruden and turner. i want to also point out john madden and joe gibbs worked for coryell at sd state. They are also disciples of coryell. Even though madden was a defensive coach he made sure the raiders used the coryell offense. Gibbs drafted JC because he was seen as a
perfct fit for this offense.
Davis Hu Jack and JC….. the circle is unbroken.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:53 am
There were rumors of a fight between Hue and Cable, who knows for sure but IF it’s true I can almost gaurantee that it was Oline related. Cbale didn’t want certain players that he perveived to be “Al Davis” players on the field. I think he felt that Hue was on Mr Davis’ side and requesting those players ie; Bruce Campbell and Mario Henderson.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Didn’t Walker play some LG last season or 2 years ago? Looked pretty good out there IMO. He’s a good run blocker, but can’t pass protect for schit. I say we bring him back, if he doesn’t retire and give him a shot at one of the guard positions. If it doesn’t pan out, we can have him for depth.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:53 am
To your concern about the O-Line, and it’s a valid one. Every one of our WR’s will regress if Campbell is forced to make 3 second reads. Even Ford. The whole lot of em will be considered bums unless we can solidify the line.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Actually if you change Don Coryell’s anme for Sid Gilman’s you’d be correct.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:56 am
How do you think the offense will change with OC Al Saunders in the fold? He’s got a playbook that is 3 times a thick as other OC’s. I’m sure Campbell has the smarts to pick it up after all the OC’s he’s had, but what of the rest of the team?
May 12th, 2011 at 9:57 am
We need to bring in at least one proven vet O-linemen.
IMO, it’s a must if we want to improve our offense.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:57 am
DMAC I couldn’t agree more I much prefer Walker at OG than Tackle spots.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:58 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Didn’t Walker play some LG last season or 2 years ago? Looked pretty good out there IMO. He’s a good run blocker, but can’t pass protect for schit. I say we bring him back, if he doesn’t retire and give him a shot at one of the guard positions. If it doesn’t pan out, we can have him for depth.
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Walkers got nine years of wear and tear on his old bones. I think he really screwed up bulking up when he left for Buffalo. He’s retirement age. It’s time.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:59 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:57 am
We need to bring in at least one proven vet O-linemen.
IMO, it’s a must if we want to improve our offense.
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How about Clabo?
May 12th, 2011 at 9:59 am
priesttj,
Was that last year that he played some at Guard or 2 years ago? Or both?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Funny how the right wingers here have no problem discussing “race” and “politics” when a famous black person disses another famous black person. No politics or race discussions at this blog…unless the racial political discussion is black on black, then, ding ding ding, round 1!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:00 am
priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:53 am
There were rumors of a fight between Hue and Cable, who knows for sure but IF it’s true I can almost gaurantee that it was Oline related. Cbale didn’t want certain players that he perveived to be “Al Davis” players on the field. I think he felt that Hue was on Mr Davis’ side and requesting those players ie; Bruce Campbell and Mario Henderson.
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So, is that a good thing that HueJack is sustaining the “scholarship” players?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:01 am
r8eray Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:59 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:57 am
We need to bring in at least one proven vet O-linemen.
IMO, it’s a must if we want to improve our offense.
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How about Clabo?
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Was a pro bowler replacement last season, so he might be a little pricey. I’m all for it though.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:02 am
I think it was 2 years ago DMAC
I don’t know what scholarship player means, as far as I’m concerned it’s a stupid comment….
May 12th, 2011 at 10:05 am
“I don’t know what scholarship player means”
And you call yourself a raider fan?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Do you think Cable playing “his” guys is any better than the “scholarship” player being on the field?
Was it ok for Fargas to play over DMac and Bush?
Is DHB Cable’s guy or Al’s guy?
Is the theory that Langston Walker was a Cable choice at RT over the scholarship player Mario Henderson?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:07 am
507.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:57 am
We need to bring in at least one proven vet O-linemen.
IMO, it’s a must if we want to improve our offense.
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Two….Need a LG and RG bad
May 12th, 2011 at 10:10 am
You are mistaken son Cable played Fargas, and Harris and Carlisle and Bruce.
If he wanted to play DMC and Bush all he had to do was DO IT!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:12 am
What Makes you think that Walker was playing over Henderson? Veldheer played over Henderson.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Since Al actually drafted or signed all of these guys, how are they not ALL “scholarship” players?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Latest lockout news:
Another courtroom confrontation commences Thursday in the Twin Cities between NFL owners and their locked-out players, with a federal judge poised to punish the league for violating the collective bargaining agreement by converting television revenue into a war chest.
U.S. District Court Judge David S. Doty, the NFL’s great white whale of litigation, is considering whether to issue monetary damages to the players and block owners from collecting $4 billion in TV rights fees. A hearing is scheduled for 8 a.m. Thursday in Minneapolis as the lockout grinds into a third month with negotiations stalled and players and owners clawing for leverage via lawsuits.
Doty ruled March 1 the NFL violated the expired labor agreement by renegotiating television contracts to allow team owners to tap $4 billion during a lockout even if no games are played in 2011. Overturning a special master’s initial ruling, Doty determined the NFL breached its contract with the since-dissolved NFL Players Association by accepting below-market deals that produced less revenue to share with players. “The record shows that the NFL undertook contract renegotiations to advance its own interests and harm the interests of the players,” Doty wrote in his 28-page decision.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Our o line was pitiful? BCZ, you can’t win 8 games when the offensive line is “pitiful”. It just doesn’t happen. I’d agree that the line had some problems. But pitiful? No. The offense has a whole last year was much improved, and it was a smash mouth offense. Most of our deep passing was play action.
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Only 5 teams gave up more sacks than we did. Our qbs were sacked 44 times! this doesnt include the number of hurried throws, forced scrambles, or grounding penalties. Jc was running for his life, and was beaten to a pulp. he was knocked out of games, so was gradkowski! One of the worst pass protection units in football. thanks to barny rubble’s evil wife beating twin, TOM CABLE!!!!
So yes to sum it up in a word….pitiful!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:14 am
At issue is whether the players are entitled to an injunction that would place the $4 billion into escrow until the lockout is resolved, plus compensatory and punitive damages for the league’s violations beyond what Burbank awarded.
A protective order required lawyers on both sides to redact specific dollar figures in their court filings although it is believed the players are seeking about $1 billion in damages. According to the NFLPA, the league’s actions were “deliberate, contemplated and willful and sought to seek an unconscionable advantage” over the players during collective bargaining.
Doty has broad discretion and his decision is pivotal because it could swing momentum in the clash if owners are forced to pay for trying to spend somebody else’s $4 billion to finance a prolonged work stoppage.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Jhill you guys think any player you don’t like is a scholarship player which if you poled every poster in here every player on this team would be on scholarship it’s just a word an insubordinate kid came up with because he knew he was in over his head and needed a smoke screen.
And everyone in here fell for it………..including the media for the most part Al Davis caved in and overspent like carzy tryin to satisfy that kids every wim until he came to his senses.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:16 am
If he wanted to play DMC and Bush all he had to do was DO IT!
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I think that is what I said.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:17 am
J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Do you think Cable playing “his” guys is any better than the “scholarship” player being on the field?
Was it ok for Fargas to play over DMac and Bush?
Is DHB Cable’s guy or Al’s guy?
Is the theory that Langston Walker was a Cable choice at RT over the scholarship player Mario Henderson?
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If DHB is a Cable guy and he does not put up numbers in the first few games…I say trade him to Seattle for a 4th or 5th round pick!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:17 am
I say, us fans go on a lock out. F_uck these greedy azz holes.
W/ out us there is no NFL!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:17 am
@ the O-Line criticism. Much deserved IMO.
But fundamentally, they were playing musical chairs with the linemen, both in positions and styles. This hybrid ZBS/power blocking is too much complicated and the parts aren’t interchangeable.
Here’s hoping that HueJacks can implement one style of OL and implement to the players he has and their individual strengths.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:17 am
I say let’s go after Justin Blalock at Left Guard and Deuce Lutui at Right Guard. Perfect big bodied guys to solidify the interior of the oline since we got 3 youngins
May 12th, 2011 at 10:20 am
You guys in here are like a bunch of kids in classroom who come up with a phrase or a word that you think is cool and have no idea what it means but it sounds cool so you use it adnauseum. “He’s on scholarship” None of you have a freakin clue what you mean……….you just say it!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I’d not be surprised to see Grads, Mario, and Gallery all join their old coach up in Seattle.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Mistic1 Tha uneducated
How can we rank 2nd in the league in rushing and have a “PITIFUL” O-Line?
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&tabSeq=2&season=2010&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true
May 12th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Priest,
Henderson played some right tackle last year, and he started off there. But I’m sure you know that. Once he lost the LT job, if he was truly a “scholarship” player, as I understand it, why wasn’t he just inserted into the starting lineup at RT a la DHB (another “scholarship” player as I understand it)?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:24 am
# priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:53 am
There were rumors of a fight between Hue and Cable, who knows for sure but IF it’s true I can almost gaurantee that it was Oline related. Cbale didn’t want certain players that he perveived to be “Al Davis” players on the field. I think he felt that Hue was on Mr Davis’ side and requesting those players ie; Bruce Campbell and Mario Henderson.
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Priestt,
I will take it a step furthter, im sure they also disagreed about the qb. cable wanted bruce it is a well known fact.
Cable was a loser his record as a head coach is an eye sore. How does 28 wins and 62 losses equal a good head coach?
Please, defending Cable is foolish, and anyone who does so cant be taken seriously.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Oh I think I do know what that means class teacher “Priesttj ”
when you are starting DHB and there are clearly 2 or more adequate WR’s on your team that could contribute and make plays…that would be scholarship.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Also Trvor Scott will not be 100 pct this season so we really need to look at getting a DE that went undrafted or getting a vet DE. Dave Ball is from the bay area and I thik would be perfect
May 12th, 2011 at 10:26 am
B,
Did Ball play for Tenn?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:26 am
# guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 9:56 am
How do you think the offense will change with OC Al Saunders in the fold? He’s got a playbook that is 3 times a thick as other OC’s. I’m sure Campbell has the smarts to pick it up after all the OC’s he’s had, but what of the rest of the team?
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Saunders is another link in the coryell chain.
I hope everyone can see the master plan, simply connect the dots.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:27 am
I say, us fans go on a lock out. F_uck these greedy azz holes.
W/ out us there is no NFL!
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Kinda thinking they should strip the NFL of their Ant-Trust status and give it to the UFL.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:29 am
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Saunders is another link in the coryell chain.
I hope everyone can see the master plan, simply connect the dots.
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So what does this cryptic message mean?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:29 am
All of you have different decription for the idotic word. Anyone with half a brain knows that a player drafted #7 overall is going to be given every chance to succeed ……right or wrong. On any team and every team I don’t care who they are watch I’ll bet Julio Jones starts I don’t care if if Rand Moss is there. Like I said you’re like a bunch of children whinning about the work that needs to be done.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Also another interesting free agent to consider is a good tackling good cover WLB like Rocky McIntosh. I dont know know what Goethel can do but I know what Groves cant do….and that’s play LB.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:31 am
I’m all for Rocky. Would be a HUGE upgrade for our LB core.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:31 am
538.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:26 am
B,
Did Ball play for Tenn?
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Yeah cuz cuz from Fairfield. Think he wouldn’t like to play back home with a team on th rise? He would be a excellent DE for us in the rotation.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:32 am
544.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:31 am
I’m all for Rocky. Would be a HUGE upgrade for our LB core.
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Yes it would be a step towards having a complete defense.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Yeah, would also be a perfect fit w/ the silver and black.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Maybe Cable isn’t an out and out r-tard. But his actions spoke louder than words. His record didn’t help any. Some players didn’t care too much for his in your face one minute and then azz pats the next style. Combine that with the Hansen bullying incident, and it’s best he’s gone. Too unprofessional to keep his job.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Mistic1 Tha uneducated
How can we rank 2nd in the league in rushing and have a “PITIFUL” O-Line?
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Waht would the rushing totals look like if we didnt have a super star like dmac, and a plow horse like bush? Theyre unbelievable talent made up for a terrible offensive line. Also several teams played a two deep coverage against us, taking away the deep pass, that opened running lanes for the backs. They couldnt run against the big boys mia, pitt, sf, for example. run blocking was all that this o-line did that was even halfway decent.
44 sacks!!!! Try again
May 12th, 2011 at 10:34 am
#7 overall is a bust. No way to change that. Doesn’t matter if he’s #12 or #85. Changing numbers doesn’t change stripes on a zebra or spots on a leopard. DHB sucks out loud.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Who has a better 2011 season?
1. AJ Green
2. Julio Jones
3. DHB
May 12th, 2011 at 10:36 am
@ Guest123, you delivered some good points! I must agree with the lot – the Kool-Aid as well! -)
I could see Ocho being a possibility if Hue thinks he can work with him! He has some tricks and if he behaves he could be influential in a good way! If Big Al goes for it is more questionable imo, as his tv and public appearences goes against the Raider Secrecy (or how to describe it..).. Smith has been a good player and still has something left in the tank, but he is old, declining and has been relying on his speed – when that goes down, he will have more difficulties as he is so short – besides, we have Ford, so wouldnt trade for him (not saying he couldnt contribute, i think he could, but wouldnt give up a mid rd pick for him..)! Rice and Flolyd are big, stron recievers that supplies large targets, and especially Rice has great hands! Not sure they are possibilities, but i wouldnt mind any of them coming in!
Personally i think Yanda and Gaither are real possibilities to soldify the line – the Baltimore Ties and the Scheme change makes them ideal imo! But Yanda wont come cheap i would suspect!
See your point on the strength of the Dline and the LB’s, but adding a Will starter in Lawson and a prescence to Dline to help rotate and assist the guys could be a good thing imo, but as you say – throwing the load at them would be foolish with other issues still to be fixed!
I see you on Awesome One #21, unfortunately, still foolishly hoping for a miracle to strike! Do you think we will keep Huffy? He just seems to be out the door! Not really confident in either Eugene or Brown as starters at this point – just dont see it yet (although Brown might develope to be a starter down the line).. Mitchell the Missile might get a shot, but single high is difficult and i really have some doubts on whether or not he can do it (he shined at spots last year, but didnt see him at single high? Was he ever?)..
May 12th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Julio
Green
DHB
May 12th, 2011 at 10:36 am
guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:34 am
#7 overall is a bust. No way to change that. Doesn’t matter if he’s #12 or #85. Changing numbers doesn’t change stripes on a zebra or spots on a leopard. DHB sucks out loud.
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I’ll give DHB one more season to judge him. I wouldn’t count his rookie year w/ Jasyzzurp.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:37 am
I still would like to have a young NT for the future. This lockout crap needs to end so Al can sign that Vanilla Gorrila dude from Colorado School of Mines.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am
# guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:29 am
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Saunders is another link in the coryell chain.
I hope everyone can see the master plan, simply connect the dots.
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So what does this cryptic message mean?
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It means get ready for air coryell!! Hu Jack will get to run the offense he wants without interference from that idiot cable.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am
” Anyone with half a brain knows that a player drafted #7 overall is going to be given every chance to succeed”
And anyone with 1/4 of a brain knows that after half a season of dropped passes bad routes and not contributing on offense would be replaced until he got his game up to snuff.
Or maybe you have 1/8 of a brain and would continue starting him even though it was detrimental to your offensive production?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am
551.r8eray Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Who has a better 2011 season?
1. AJ Green
2. Julio Jones
3. DHB
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Julio
May 12th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Chad Johnson to Oakland….get it done fast. If you want a passing attack you will sign his guy. The Raiders havent had a guy worth of the double team since 2005. Miller and company get more space to make big plays
May 12th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Julio
Green
DHB
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Some people in here might say its not fair to compare DHB to Julio or Green….lol BS!!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Harder2000 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:36 am
@ Guest123, you delivered some good points! I must agree with the lot – the Kool-Aid as well! -)
I could see Ocho being a possibility if Hue thinks he can work with him! He has some tricks and if he behaves he could be influential in a good way! If Big Al goes for it is more questionable imo, as his tv and public appearences goes against the Raider Secrecy (or how to describe it..).. Smith has been a good player and still has something left in the tank, but he is old, declining and has been relying on his speed – when that goes down, he will have more difficulties as he is so short – besides, we have Ford, so wouldnt trade for him (not saying he couldnt contribute, i think he could, but wouldnt give up a mid rd pick for him..)! Rice and Flolyd are big, stron recievers that supplies large targets, and especially Rice has great hands! Not sure they are possibilities, but i wouldnt mind any of them coming in!
Personally i think Yanda and Gaither are real possibilities to soldify the line – the Baltimore Ties and the Scheme change makes them ideal imo! But Yanda wont come cheap i would suspect!
See your point on the strength of the Dline and the LB’s, but adding a Will starter in Lawson and a prescence to Dline to help rotate and assist the guys could be a good thing imo, but as you say – throwing the load at them would be foolish with other issues still to be fixed!
I see you on Awesome One #21, unfortunately, still foolishly hoping for a miracle to strike! Do you think we will keep Huffy? He just seems to be out the door! Not really confident in either Eugene or Brown as starters at this point – just dont see it yet (although Brown might develope to be a starter down the line).. Mitchell the Missile might get a shot, but single high is difficult and i really have some doubts on whether or not he can do it (he shined at spots last year, but didnt see him at single high? Was he ever?)..
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Good read.
I think bringing back Huffy is of prime importance. Even more than Nnamdi. The single high safety position in the Raiders Scheme is the most difficult postition to man, and Huff has the talent/experience/acumen. Al needs to be willing to pay big money for Huff.
If we lose Huff, then I can see a precipitous fall, but we can always be in the race for Luck next year.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:41 am
# Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:38 am
” Anyone with half a brain knows that a player drafted #7 overall is going to be given every chance to succeed”
And anyone with 1/4 of a brain knows that after half a season of dropped passes bad routes and not contributing on offense would be replaced until he got his game up to snuff.
Or maybe you have 1/8 of a brain and would continue starting him even though it was detrimental to your offensive production?
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What a load of crap. you dont sit down your number 7 draft pick when you dont have anything better than behind him. Bench DHB in favor of who? Nick Miller?!??!?!?
Give me a break
May 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Chad Johnson to Oakland….get it done fast. If you want a passing attack you will sign his guy. The Raiders havent had a guy worth of the double team since 2005. Miller and company get more space to make big plays
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Bengals have said they may hang onto Chad in case Green is a contract holdout, (which is considered likely).
May 12th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Good read.
I think bringing back Huffy is of prime importance. Even more than Nnamdi. The single high safety position in the Raiders Scheme is the most difficult postition to man, and Huff has the talent/experience/acumen. Al needs to be willing to pay big money for Huff.
If we lose Huff, then I can see a precipitous fall, but we can always be in the race for Luck next year.
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Huff sucks and allows many big plays to go down. I’m glad that soft punk wont be brought back
May 12th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Mistic1 Tha uneducated
To say that a RB can have big yardage gains without the aid of blocking is pretty sad and your low football IQ is starting to show.
Yes the O-line needs work but “PITIFUL” is not the label used for the second ranked rushing team in the NFL.
I would wager that 20 other teams would gladly accept that “PITIFUL” result of being 2nd in the league in rushing.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
563.guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Chad Johnson to Oakland….get it done fast. If you want a passing attack you will sign his guy. The Raiders havent had a guy worth of the double team since 2005. Miller and company get more space to make big plays
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Bengals have said they may hang onto Chad in case Green is a contract holdout, (which is considered likely).
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Dont buy into that….blood is too bad with them. Time for both parties to split. Chad needs a place to be
May 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
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Huff sucks and allows many big plays to go down. I’m glad that soft punk wont be brought back
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You’re wrong about that Bauce.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Ocho stinko doesnt command double teams any longer. he is washed up and his antics far outweigh his production at this point. his legacy will be making a fool of himself while wearing a fake hof jacket on the sideline, as if he was worthy of canton. The only way ocho stinko sees, canton is if he buys a ticket like the rest of us.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:46 am
CIN – Coach does not expect QB Palmer to return
Source: Bengals.com – Geoff Hobson
Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said he has talked with QB Carson Palmer and does not believe that Palmer will return to the team and will decide to retire.
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CIN – RB thinks bringing back QB Carson Palmer would not be good
Source: Bengals.com – Geoff Hobson
Cincinnati Bengals RB Cedric Benson said during a radio interview that he does not think the team should bring QB Carson Palmer back if he does not want to play for them because it would be detrimental to the rest of the players. Benson believes Palmer would not play his best if he returned to the team.
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CIN – Could keep WR Chad Ochocinco as insurance
Source: Bengals.com – Geoff Hobson
The Cincinnati Bengals may keep WR Chad Ochocinco on the roster as insurance in case WR A.J. Green decides to hold out of training camp because of his contract.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Who has a better 2011 season?
1. DHB
2. Moore
3. Schilens
May 12th, 2011 at 10:48 am
“What a load of crap. you dont sit down your number 7 draft pick when you dont have anything better than behind him”
so Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford, a healthy Chaz, These are not better options. Anyone who doesn’t let the ball bounce off of their hands is a better option as far as I am concerned.
Trying to talk sense to you is like trying to talk sense into a zoo full of monkey’s throwing poo at each other.
Your just not that bright and you should not be arguing about things which you have no clue about.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:48 am
They would bench him for nothing because they got nothing rattling around in their heads. I’ve noticed a long time ago in here there is just a herd mentality. One guy says something and it sounds cool so the rest of them say it because it sounded cool. They don’t even know what it means but it sound s cool. Then it becomes fact……LOL
The blind leading the blind.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Who has a better 2011 season?
1. DHB
2. Moore
3. Schilens
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So Moore and Schilens are going to have a combined 12 passes, seems reasonable.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:51 am
r8eray has a good point….who will have a better season?
lets vote….I vote for Murphy
May 12th, 2011 at 10:51 am
I’m drinking the kool-aid.
DHB has a break out season.
Ohhhhhh Yeeeeeeeah!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:52 am
They would bench him for nothing because they got nothing rattling around in their heads. I’ve noticed a long time ago in here there is just a herd mentality. One guy says something and it sounds cool so the rest of them say it because it sounded cool. They don’t even know what it means but it sound s cool. Then it becomes fact……LOL
The blind leading the blind.
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You are talking about things “sounding” cool.
But I don’t think the word “blind” means what you think it does.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Go to the 2:02 mark…bet DHB can’t do that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcoeBLki_YY
May 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am
# Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Mistic1 Tha uneducated
To say that a RB can have big yardage gains without the aid of blocking is pretty sad and your low football IQ is starting to show.
Yes the O-line needs work but “PITIFUL” is not the label used for the second ranked rushing team in the NFL.
I would wager that 20 other teams would gladly accept that “PITIFUL” result of being 2nd in the league in rushing.
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Silver and crack stop it.
Remove dmac and this team doesnt sniff the top 10 in rushing. His talent made the oline look much better than it actually was.
Consider this as well, 7 of our 16 games were against run defenses that were in the bottom half of the league!!!! Of course the run stats look good against that. my sister would post stats against that…hell twisted sister would post stats against that!
Ill repeat this as well. 44 sacks is pitiful!!!!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:51 am
I’m drinking the kool-aid.
DHB has a break out season.
Ohhhhhh Yeeeeeeeah!
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that’s not kool-aid. check your cup again.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am
567.guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
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Huff sucks and allows many big plays to go down. I’m glad that soft punk wont be brought back
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You’re wrong about that Bauce.
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Naw…i’ll pass on huff
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Guest123
Nice post about Reggis Bush I remember you and I having that discussion a few weeks ago. Looks like he has too big of a ego to take a pay cut.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Didn’t Murphy started at WR last year until he got hurt?
Of course Chazerella was hurt from the get go.
And Ford hadn’t even siezed the KR job by the time we broke camp.
Certainly weren’t going with JLH or Miller as starters, so I’m not quite sure who else would’ve been starting in place of DHB last year.
This year, things should be much different. I can clearly see Ford’s role increasing, and Chaz is healthy. DHB could very well be #4 on the depth chart.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I wonder where Campbell and the WR’s are practicing at? That schit looks like a penitentiary yard.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am
@ Guest123, bad luck leading to Luck would be a pretty good consolation prize! But let’s hope we dont fall that far!
As you say, a single high safety is a neccessity in the scheme we run! Very important position! They gotta have a plan – if both Huffy and Nnamdi (who could potentially take over as single deep) leaves, the pressure on the CBs will be larger as well, leaving it even more difficult for our talented, unexperienced, young CB’s to succeed! Lets hope they retain or sign what we need at the position, or that one of the safeties (Mitchell the Missile would be my guess to get first crack because of draft position and ‘reach’ label – plus, dude can hit) will have a breakout year when thrown into the fire!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:53 am
567.guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
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Huff sucks and allows many big plays to go down. I’m glad that soft punk wont be brought back
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You’re wrong about that Bauce.
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Naw…i’ll pass on huff
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Huff Huff Pass!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Guest123
Nice post about Reggis Bush I remember you and I having that discussion a few weeks ago. Looks like he has too big of a ego to take a pay cut.
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I never said as much about him, I don’t like him, his talent, anything about that dud. He sucks.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Anyone who watched the Raiders last year knows Ford played a ton and sometimes started. Murphy DHB and Ford all started games. maybe you didn’t see it but IMO they played Ford after midseason more than they played DHB. Mr Davis went so far as to say they should’ve played him from game1. He was pissed!!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:56 am
568.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Ocho stinko doesnt command double teams any longer. he is washed up and his antics far outweigh his production at this point. his legacy will be making a fool of himself while wearing a fake hof jacket on the sideline, as if he was worthy of canton. The only way ocho stinko sees, canton is if he buys a ticket like the rest of us.
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This is incorrect. Watch the games last year. TO got single covered and the coverages were slanted to stop Chad because no one was really worred about TO at this point. Chad is the man to be our vet WR. JC doesnt suck like Palmer does.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I wonder where Campbell and the WR’s are practicing at? That schit looks like a penitentiary yard.
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Looks like San Quentin…if you ask me!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am
I have no problem replacing Huff as long as there is a better player ready to step in. Huff was AWFUL the first half of the season. Was much better then 2nd half.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am
569.guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:46 am
CIN – Coach does not expect QB Palmer to return
Source: Bengals.com – Geoff Hobson
Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said he has talked with QB Carson Palmer and does not believe that Palmer will return to the team and will decide to retire.
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CIN – RB thinks bringing back QB Carson Palmer would not be good
Source: Bengals.com – Geoff Hobson
Cincinnati Bengals RB Cedric Benson said during a radio interview that he does not think the team should bring QB Carson Palmer back if he does not want to play for them because it would be detrimental to the rest of the players. Benson believes Palmer would not play his best if he returned to the team.
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CIN – Could keep WR Chad Ochocinco as insurance
Source: Bengals.com – Geoff Hobson
The Cincinnati Bengals may keep WR Chad Ochocinco on the roster as insurance in case WR A.J. Green decides to hold out of training camp because of his contract.
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Wanna bet he doesnt play one game again for the Bengals?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Harder2000 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:55 am
@ Guest123, bad luck leading to Luck would be a pretty good consolation prize! But let’s hope we dont fall that far!
As you say, a single high safety is a neccessity in the scheme we run! Very important position! They gotta have a plan – if both Huffy and Nnamdi (who could potentially take over as single deep) leaves, the pressure on the CBs will be larger as well, leaving it even more difficult for our talented, unexperienced, young CB’s to succeed! Lets hope they retain or sign what we need at the position, or that one of the safeties (Mitchell the Missile would be my guess to get first crack because of draft position and ‘reach’ label – plus, dude can hit) will have a breakout year when thrown into the fire!
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Agree with you, but I doubt that Missle Mitchell can ever learn the position that Huff holds down.
I’m on the record that the #1 priority this off season is re-signing Huff.
Huff = defensive MVP. At least strategically.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:58 am
” my sister would post stats against that”
The only stats your sister is currently racking up are most sexual encounters by a Craigslist post.
And of course you think that by adding 4 new players to our O-line will fix the 44 sacks and better our run game?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:59 am
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Wanna bet he doesnt play one game again for the Bengals?
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Ochocinco or Palmer?
May 12th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Sho-Nasty
2011 pro bowler
Holla!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:00 am
# Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:48 am
so Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford, a healthy Chaz, These are not better options. Anyone who doesn’t let the ball bounce off of their hands is a better option as far as I am concerned.
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Sadly your lack of understanding doesnt come as shock, its expected.
Chaz wasnt healthy until the end of the year, he wasnt ready to start.
Ford didnt get into the rotation until late in the year ( thanks tom cable). He is the only guy i thought should have been elevated, but he should have been moved ahead of murphy.
Murphy regressed badly and led the team in drops. So no DHB should not have been removed from the starting line up.
Thank for playing though
May 12th, 2011 at 11:00 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Sho-Nasty
2011 pro bowler
Holla!
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Holla!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:00 am
“I never said as much about him, I don’t like him, his talent, anything about that dud. He sucks.”
Pretty much what we were both saying last time we talked about it.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:01 am
594.guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:59 am
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Wanna bet he doesnt play one game again for the Bengals?
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Ochocinco or Palmer?
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LOL chad of course….stay on topic
May 12th, 2011 at 11:01 am
r8eray Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I wonder where Campbell and the WR’s are practicing at? That schit looks like a penitentiary yard.
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Looks like San Quentin…if you ask me!
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Don’t want to ask, but how would you know?
btw, looks like Fairfield or someplace like that.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I’m on the record that the #1 priority this off season is re-signing Huff.
Huff = defensive MVP. At least strategically.
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HAHAHAHA
May 12th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Here’s another prediction.
Taiwan takes at least 2 punt returns to the house.
Holla!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:03 am
“So no DHB should not have been removed from the starting line up.”
Thats why they pay monkeys like you to coach in the NFL.
Sorry you are not an offensive coordinator just another clueless fan that thinks he should be head coach. Try lowering your expectations maybe just get a job at the taco bell cleaning toilets I think you might be qualified for that.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:01 am
594.guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:59 am
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Wanna bet he doesnt play one game again for the Bengals?
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Ochocinco or Palmer?
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LOL chad of course….stay on topic
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I’d put my money down on Chad leaving, but that owner is a ball buster like AJ down in SD. He’d make Ocho suit up against his will and have that new Rookie QB Dalton throw him late floaters over the middle to get his clock cleaned. Out of spite.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Huff’s #1 job is pass coverage.
If your main issue with the FS is run support, then we need to have a talk with the front 7.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Holla! @ TJ taking 2 to the house
May 12th, 2011 at 11:06 am
# Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:58 am
” my sister would post stats against that”
The only stats your sister is currently racking up are most sexual encounters by a Craigslist post.
And of course you think that by adding 4 new players to our O-line will fix the 44 sacks and better our run game?
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Thats what I thought, you dont know enough about football to counter my point. when 7 of your games are against the bottom half of the nfl against the run, and you have dmac you are supposed to put up numbers.
By the way. I think you have my sister mixed up with your snaggle tooth, circus beard wearing, gorilla titties having mother.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:07 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Sho-Nasty
2011 pro bowler
Holla!
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Jhill called that one….well Matt had 7 sacks last year in first full campaign as starter. At 6′5 270 he has the size to play in the run and has the quickness to get to the QB. He and Houston compliment each other well. A 3 sack increase from them both can really put our defense into prime position to win division
May 12th, 2011 at 11:08 am
With Nnamdi gone, more than ever Huff is crucial to have back there to clean up the mistakes. Else you are gonna see the Raiders on a ton of sportscenter highlight reels and Chris Berman gonna be doing his “could-go-all-the-way” schtick clowning on us with Tom Jackson giggling and busted over laughing.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:08 am
605.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Huff’s #1 job is pass coverage.
If your main issue with the FS is run support, then we need to have a talk with the front 7.
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He sucks out there too
May 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am
609.guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:08 am
With Nnamdi gone, more than ever Huff is crucial to have back there to clean up the mistakes. Else you are gonna see the Raiders on a ton of sportscenter highlight reels and Chris Berman gonna be doing his “could-go-all-the-way” schtick clowning on us with Tom Jackson giggling and busted over laughing.
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LOL I saw him them happen with those two for years now…..get a new angle bruh
May 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I say TJ takes 2-3 to the house whether they’re kicks or punts who knows. I also say Ford takes a few back as well. I think Ford is going to be one of the scariest WR’s to cover his stature 5′7″ 190 is so different and he’s stronger than he looks. He just might light it up.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am
lol meant to say I saw it happen with them for years
May 12th, 2011 at 11:10 am
“So no DHB should not have been removed from the starting line up.”
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The guy is 4th WR this season
May 12th, 2011 at 11:10 am
# Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:03 am
“So no DHB should not have been removed from the starting line up.”
Thats why they pay monkeys like you to coach in the NFL.
Sorry you are not an offensive coordinator just another clueless fan that thinks he should be head coach. Try lowering your expectations maybe just get a job at the taco bell cleaning toilets I think you might be qualified for that.
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Your pathetic, do you have any actuall football takes? this is a football blog.
I destroyed your sorry arguments, and this is what you have left.
Your takes are about as limp as your mothers d*ck!!!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:11 am
I don’t see too many kickoffs returns w/ the new rules, but I can see a few punt returns though.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:12 am
@ Guest123, Agreed, i doubt Missile Mike will have the coverage abilities and know how to thrive in FS single deep as well! But of those on the roster, i would suspect him to get the first shot! Huffy has developed and become really solid in coverage, which is difficult at that position and difficult to replace, so i understand why you consider it priority #1! I agree, but as i see it, FS and Oline are #1a and #1b, as both are very important for any succes on D and O respectively! Lets hope they figure both out quickly after the lockout is lifted, that would ease the the mind a bit!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am
612.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I say TJ takes 2-3 to the house whether they’re kicks or punts who knows. I also say Ford takes a few back as well. I think Ford is going to be one of the scariest WR’s to cover his stature 5′7″ 190 is so different and he’s stronger than he looks. He just might light it up.
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I agree. Those two players have potential to make huge plays for the offense. Just think if they have a vet WR like Chad….we’d be in business
May 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Looks like we’re loaded w/ young CB’s. I wonder if Chekwa will get a shot at playing FS?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am
616.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:11 am
I don’t see too many kickoffs returns w/ the new rules, but I can see a few punt returns though.
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How did they return kicks before 1994?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I’m not concerned about FS at all I think Branch is a natural FS. I think he has the potential to be better than Huff because he’s naturally more aggressive.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Don’t remember
May 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am
“you dont know enough about football to counter my point.”
Your point was so clueless its stupidity stood on its own and there fore didn’t need an intelligent response.
If I remember correctly your the same guy that claimed Kim newton is “REVOLUTIONIZING” the NFL.
your lost all credibility at that moment little guy.
Mystic1 the supervillian = a 9 year old deformed boy that wears his Superman costume complete with cape to the Safeway while his mother shops. You can tell she is embarrassed for him and the look of horror on the shoppers faces you can almost hear their thoughts “why didn’t she abort that annoying little troll when she had the chance”
You are a sub human carrying a big ball of snot, a bucket of drool and two Special Olympic medals. You convene at the library computer to create many idiotic blog posts while we watch your stupidity unfold as you fumble over words to combat intelligent life on this blog.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am
10 of our games were against teams that gave up more than 100 yards rushing per game. We basically feasted on weak rushing defenses, this is not all that impressive or extraordinary.
O-line was pitiful
May 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am
@ Guest123, Agreed, i doubt Missile Mike will have the coverage abilities and know how to thrive in FS single deep as well! But of those on the roster, i would suspect him to get the first shot! Huffy has developed and become really solid in coverage, which is difficult at that position and difficult to replace, so i understand why you consider it priority #1! I agree, but as i see it, FS and Oline are #1a and #1b, as both are very important for any succes on D and O respectively! Lets hope they figure both out quickly after the lockout is lifted, that would ease the the mind a bit!
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Agree with all of this.
I was never as much a fan of Huffy until I knew Nnamdi was good as gone. Now I’m his #1 fan.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Bauce why are you so stuck on Chad? why must it be Chad?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:16 am
619.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Looks like we’re loaded w/ young CB’s. I wonder if Chekwa will get a shot at playing FS?
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Mitchell and Branch are your starting safeties and Steve Brown is their backup. Wouldnt doubt Chekwa goes to practice squad unless we slice CJ37
May 12th, 2011 at 11:16 am
priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I’m not concerned about FS at all I think Branch is a natural FS. I think he has the potential to be better than Huff because he’s naturally more aggressive.
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I don’t know about that one. Branch struggles in pass coverage. MM has a better shot at it. IMO
May 12th, 2011 at 11:16 am
BTW FREE SAFETIES don’t cover SS do….
May 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am
612.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I say TJ takes 2-3 to the house whether they’re kicks or punts who knows. I also say Ford takes a few back as well. I think Ford is going to be one of the scariest WR’s to cover his stature 5′7″ 190 is so different and he’s stronger than he looks. He just might light it up.
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I agree. Those two players have potential to make huge plays for the offense. Just think if they have a vet WR like Chad….we’d be in business
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I want Chad too. I think the Black hole would love him. I think he’d behave, seeing he’s got one last shot to try and revive his “HOF” career. He’d be a great addition. Just what is needed.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:18 am
By the way that was a mockery of your Mystic super villain powers in case you missed the sarcasm.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:18 am
605.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Huff’s #1 job is pass coverage.
If your main issue with the FS is run support, then we need to have a talk with the front 7.
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He sucks out there too
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@Bauce
Don’t you think it is strange that Branch and Huff lead the team in tackles? If Branch and Mitchell start at FS & SS, do you think Chewy could play a nickel safety position?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:19 am
priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:16 am
BTW FREE SAFETIES don’t cover SS do….
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They give help in coverage.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:19 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:16 am
priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I’m not concerned about FS at all I think Branch is a natural FS. I think he has the potential to be better than Huff because he’s naturally more aggressive.
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I don’t know about that one. Branch struggles in pass coverage. MM has a better shot at it. IMO
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Don’t know who likes who, but Branch sucks the big one. MM is better.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:01 am
r8eray Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I wonder where Campbell and the WR’s are practicing at? That schit looks like a penitentiary yard.
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Looks like San Quentin…if you ask me!
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Don’t want to ask, but how would you know?
btw, looks like Fairfield or someplace like that.
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Aye homes…yeah I did 7 balas in Quentin for some ish I didnt do ese!
Orale Vato!!
Vatos Locos forever…!
lol
May 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:10 am
You are mistaken son Cable played Fargas, and Harris and Carlisle and Bruce.
If he wanted to play DMC and Bush all he had to do was DO IT!
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Don’t forget Hirame Eugene.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am
626.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Bauce why are you so stuck on Chad? why must it be Chad?
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I said a few days ago I wouldnt be against Steve Smith but want Chad because he can run routes and has familiarity with Hue. We need a legit vet WR who can catch the ball so he can teach the youngsters how to play.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I’m on the fence with Chad Johnson coming on board.
I think the stregnth of our offense is and should be DMac, Miller, and Bush. That is what opens up the offense for our WRs. Our WRs are not often doubled because that means a 7 man front to go against DMac.
The issue is simply 2 of our WRs stepping their game up to where they can consistantly get open against the single coverage they are seeing. I suspect that Ford and Moore will be fine. Chaz HAS to have at least one healthy season in him, right?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:21 am
r8eray Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:01 am
r8eray Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I wonder where Campbell and the WR’s are practicing at? That schit looks like a penitentiary yard.
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Looks like San Quentin…if you ask me!
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Don’t want to ask, but how would you know?
btw, looks like Fairfield or someplace like that.
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Aye homes…yeah I did 7 balas in Quentin for some ish I didnt do ese!
Orale Vato!!
Vatos Locos forever…!
lol
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Pocos pero Locos!!!!!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am
r8eray Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:01 am
r8eray Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:57 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I wonder where Campbell and the WR’s are practicing at? That schit looks like a penitentiary yard.
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Looks like San Quentin…if you ask me!
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Don’t want to ask, but how would you know?
btw, looks like Fairfield or someplace like that.
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Aye homes…yeah I did 7 balas in Quentin for some ish I didnt do ese!
Orale Vato!!
Vatos Locos forever…!
lol
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Orale….maaen
May 12th, 2011 at 11:22 am
630.guest123 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:13 am
612.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I say TJ takes 2-3 to the house whether they’re kicks or punts who knows. I also say Ford takes a few back as well. I think Ford is going to be one of the scariest WR’s to cover his stature 5′7″ 190 is so different and he’s stronger than he looks. He just might light it up.
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I agree. Those two players have potential to make huge plays for the offense. Just think if they have a vet WR like Chad….we’d be in business
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I want Chad too. I think the Black hole would love him. I think he’d behave, seeing he’s got one last shot to try and revive his “HOF” career. He’d be a great addition. Just what is needed.
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Exactly and he would love being in the Bay Area…an hour away from Socal and Vegas? Five hours from Hawaii? This i a cool spot fo Chad at this juncture in his career. Change is good for all of us
May 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am
What about a Lance Moore? He’s a FA.
May get him on the cheap.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:15 am
If I remember correctly your the same guy that claimed Kim newton is “REVOLUTIONIZING” the NFL.
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love the way you try to change the subject, but your wrong on this too. i never said he was revolutionizing then nfl. He hasnt played a down in the nfl. i was talking about what he did in college and how it was revolutionizing football along with the system he played in.
But of course you actually have to be able to read in order to know that.
Knuckle dragger your not fooling any one, now change your tampon your stinking up the blog
May 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am
632.DutchRaider77 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:18 am
605.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Huff’s #1 job is pass coverage.
If your main issue with the FS is run support, then we need to have a talk with the front 7.
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He sucks out there too
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@Bauce
Don’t you think it is strange that Branch and Huff lead the team in tackles? If Branch and Mitchell start at FS & SS, do you think Chewy could play a nickel safety position?
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Interesting Dutch….that’s quite a possibility and I didnt give that any thought.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:23 am
said a few days ago I wouldnt be against Steve Smith but want Chad because he can run routes and has familiarity with Hue. We need a legit vet WR who can catch the ball so he can teach the youngsters how to play.
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Agree strongly that Chad knows how to run Hue Jack’s system and route tree. But I strongly doubt he’d help any of the younger guys with the tricks of the trade.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
B,
Chekwa wouldn’t make it past waivers to go on our PS.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
That’s the reason I want Branch at FS because they don’t have cover responsibilities that’s why they call it FREE safety he’s free to play center field follow the ball. The SS is setup on strong side where the TE is setup to cover the TE thus strong safety.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
I’m afraid Chad would be too wasted in the Yay Area to even ball anymore. Especially if he smokes some trees.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:25 am
You make a good point TJ.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:26 am
DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
I’m afraid Chad would be too wasted in the Yay Area to even ball anymore. Especially if he smokes some trees.
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No way. Hue Jack runs a tight ship. Compare his camp with Marvin Lewis. Where do you think you can get away with more garbage?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:27 am
J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
B,
Chekwa wouldn’t make it past waivers to go on our PS.
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Is Chekwa that garbage? I thought he had some potential. He’ll be around for a while. He has Al speed.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:27 am
@ Guest123, thought the same thing! Losing both would be such a step back – really hard to replace simultanously! Get on it Big Al!
Gotta go, you all Gents behave -
May 12th, 2011 at 11:28 am
638.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I’m on the fence with Chad Johnson coming on board.
I think the stregnth of our offense is and should be DMac, Miller, and Bush. That is what opens up the offense for our WRs. Our WRs are not often doubled because that means a 7 man front to go against DMac.
The issue is simply 2 of our WRs stepping their game up to where they can consistantly get open against the single coverage they are seeing. I suspect that Ford and Moore will be fine. Chaz HAS to have at least one healthy season in him, right?
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Why I hear you Jheezy….no doubt….but Chad’s acquisition isnt about him being a focal point of the offense. Its just a stable vet who knows how to beat coverages. Chaz is a brittle beezy. Murphy is a number 2 WR with questionable hands. Ford is a ittle guy. DHB sux and Moore is a rookie. Can’t go into this season without a vet
May 12th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Chekwa will surpass mcfadden on the depth charts. Dont sleep this dude can play
May 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Bauce Chad dropped more passes than DHB last year. he’s on Twitter all day he has a reality show. And you expect him to change all that for us? Why would he do that? he is who he is…
Chad is oevr the hill he’s looking for a payday he aint interested in helping a young guy learn the game he’s interested in CHad.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am
646.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
B,
Chekwa wouldn’t make it past waivers to go on our PS.
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Yeah you right
May 12th, 2011 at 11:31 am
655.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Bauce Chad dropped more passes than DHB last year. he’s on Twitter all day he has a reality show. And you expect him to change all that for us? Why would he do that? he is who he is…
Chad is oevr the hill he’s looking for a payday he aint interested in helping a young guy learn the game he’s interested in CHad.
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How many more passes did he catch than DHB? Chad has always had good hands so you are reaching here
How would you know that Chad wouldnt want to help a young guy learn? Where do you get that from?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:32 am
648.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
I’m afraid Chad would be too wasted in the Yay Area to even ball anymore. Especially if he smokes some trees.
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Chad doesnt partake in the substance thing like you and me
May 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:32 am
648.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
I’m afraid Chad would be too wasted in the Yay Area to even ball anymore. Especially if he smokes some trees.
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Chad doesnt partake in the substance thing like you and me
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Fair enough.
LMAO
May 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Ford may be a little guy, but so is Desean Jackson.
Ford is starting next year at WR for us, and I think he’ll be a beast against single coverage.
If Chaz and Murphy stay healthy, we’ll be fine.
DHB is going to be a contributor for us this year!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I’d much rahter bring in someone who’s just arrived or desparately wanyts to prove himself. Like a Sidney Rice or VJ or I’d also like Malcolm Floyd. These guys are hungry so if we do get a vet I want someone ready to explode are someone at the top of their game.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
So if Chekwa and Van Dyke are locks for the roster what do we do with Ware,McFadden,and CJ37? Someone has gotta go
May 12th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
So if Chekwa and Van Dyke are locks for the roster what do we do with Ware,McFadden,and CJ37? Someone has gotta go
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Ware or Weezy.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:35 am
J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I’m on the fence with Chad Johnson coming on board.
I think the stregnth of our offense is and should be DMac, Miller, and Bush. That is what opens up the offense for our WRs. Our WRs are not often doubled because that means a 7 man front to go against DMac.
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An actual possesion receiver would free up Miller to make some plays, and a receiver that could command a double team would force teams to not stack 9 in the box and allow MORE success in our run game.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:36 am
I’ll take Malcolm Floyd. VJ and Rice will demand a schit load of $$$$$
+ how DUI’s does VJ have?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:37 am
many
May 12th, 2011 at 11:38 am
660.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Ford may be a little guy, but so is Desean Jackson.
Ford is starting next year at WR for us, and I think he’ll be a beast against single coverage.
If Chaz and Murphy stay healthy, we’ll be fine.
DHB is going to be a contributor for us this year!
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Ford is the smallest shrimp ever but he can play but he isnt on Desean’s level. Not close
If Chaz stays healthy? Come on ma it never has and never will happen.
Murphy will play decent. I’ll take him as the number 2
DHB? NEXT
I say
Chad is the Flanker…. Murphy is the Split End….Ford is our big play 3WR and DHB can be the fourth WR. That works much better for what we wanna do.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:38 am
@Bauce
If not Chad, how about Housh? Doesn’t have Chad’s talent, but could be less of a media circus?
Speculation is that after the draft, Baltimore may not resign him. Read that he just wants to come in a compete for a starting spot.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:39 am
666
May 12th, 2011 at 11:39 am
I’m not giving up on DHB.
Not is fault Al drafted him #7 and the world expects him to be Andre Johnson.
The guy has an unbelievable work ethic that will bring his catching skills up to the decent range.
Hue will get him the ball quickly and let his athletic skills take over with YAC.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:39 am
661.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I’d much rahter bring in someone who’s just arrived or desparately wanyts to prove himself. Like a Sidney Rice or VJ or I’d also like Malcolm Floyd. These guys are hungry so if we do get a vet I want someone ready to explode are someone at the top of their game.
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You think Chad wouldnt be motivated to be on playoff contending team like ours? He wants to finally win a playoff game and wants a shot at a title. Dont dismiss that. Chad wants to win
May 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I think Housh already turned us down once.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am
DHB will ball in 2011.
Yeah, I fk’n said it.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Rue the Day Hue Jackson edition:
1.RaiderRockstar
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LOL @ BCZ
fair enough man. If Hue Jax leads the Raiders to 9-7 or better this season I’ll eat some crow with extra BBQ sauce
May 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am
668.DutchRaider77 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:38 am
@Bauce
If not Chad, how about Housh? Doesn’t have Chad’s talent, but could be less of a media circus?
Speculation is that after the draft, Baltimore may not resign him. Read that he just wants to come in a compete for a starting spot.
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Housh? Naw he really has fallen off and has an attitude that beats Chad’s
May 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Bauce Rules
Haven’t you been paying attention to all the EXPERTS in here today who say that DHB has to play every down even though he is not on Scholarship?
sarcasm…
May 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am
macfadden is on the bubble. he didnt stay healthy and looked lost when he did get in. Ware in the other hand had a monster game vs kc. Then he had a bad game, and cable & marshall burried him. Im guessing he was one of the players davis alluded to when he said cable didnt get the youngsters on the field.
But i wouldnt say any one of the 2nd year guys or chekwa were locks. I just think ware and chekwa are good young players.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am
So if Chekwa and Van Dyke are locks for the roster what do we do with Ware,McFadden,and CJ37? Someone has gotta go
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I think Chekwa or Ware move to FS.
Eugene may be in trouble.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:42 am
676.Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Bauce Rules
Haven’t you been paying attention to all the EXPERTS in here today who say that DHB has to play every down even though he is not on Scholarship?
sarcasm…
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DHB is on scholly man of course. Al being stubborn is all but I bet he will not start this season. We need wins
May 12th, 2011 at 11:43 am
J,
Yeah I’m thinking the same.
I think Chekwa was drafted by Al to play the FS position.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:43 am
678.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am
So if Chekwa and Van Dyke are locks for the roster what do we do with Ware,McFadden,and CJ37? Someone has gotta go
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I think Chekwa or Ware move to FS.
Eugene may be in trouble.
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Yes get Hiram outta here
May 12th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:43 am
678.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:41 am
So if Chekwa and Van Dyke are locks for the roster what do we do with Ware,McFadden,and CJ37? Someone has gotta go
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I think Chekwa or Ware move to FS.
Eugene may be in trouble.
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Yes get Hiram outta here
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I fk’n hate Eugene, but he’s a beast on special teams.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:45 am
So the issue is really Chaz or Chad Johnson.
Of course I’d prefer Chad.
I think Chaz will be healthy this year. His luck can’t possibly be that bad. I rather have Chaz over Murphy. Murphy is just as big of a liability as DHB, if not more, imo. Dropped passes, alligator arms, the fumble in Pitts???
May 12th, 2011 at 11:45 am
“I bet he will not start this season. We need wins”
Pretty much what I have been saying but there are those in here that think he is better than the other WR’s on our roster.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am
671.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am
DHB will ball in 2011.
Yeah, I fk’n said it.
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Holla!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Did any of you actually watch or see any Cincy games last year?Bringing 85 here would be a huge mistake.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Prediction……….
Vernon Gholston will be wearing a silver and black uni soon.
Heard it here first.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Tom Cable was not a good head coach. And his Oline punched someone in the mouth? What game was that?
Any chance Wauffle and his Dline had anything to do with the physical play of our team last year?
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Jhill, the O-Line was excellent at run blocking and adequate in pass protection according to the stats JFB posted last week.
Hue Jackson, Jason Campbell & the WR’s were much to blame for the poor passing offense
and even though our pass rush was legit, it’s hard to pump up a Run Defense that ranked 29th in the league. I doubt the 28th or 30th ranked teams are bragging about how “physical” they were last season!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am
683.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:45 am
So the issue is really Chaz or Chad Johnson.
Of course I’d prefer Chad.
I think Chaz will be healthy this year. His luck can’t possibly be that bad. I rather have Chaz over Murphy. Murphy is just as big of a liability as DHB, if not more, imo. Dropped passes, alligator arms, the fumble in Pitts???
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Hmmm let’s see Murphy;s games vs DHB shall we?…………….ok now you see my point. DHB cant catch at all and is awful
May 12th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
So if Chekwa and Van Dyke are locks for the roster what do we do with Ware,McFadden,and CJ37? Someone has gotta go
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One of them will be converted to safety, or placed on the PS. Ware Wheezy DVD38 and ChimChek are all eligible for practice squad
May 12th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Why wouldn’t Chad do it for his own Playoff calibre team? he just never quits hhe’s all about the spotlight and quotes and sportscenter. I’m just not down with that right now. 2-3 years ago I would’ve sacrificed to get him but we’re just too close to chance it. When you can get a SRice and have a legitimate dominant threat.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:49 am
687.DMAC Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Prediction……….
Vernon Gholston will be wearing a silver and black uni soon.
Heard it here first.
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Wouldnt doubt that is the young DE since Houston is sliding over to DT in a few years.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Think Hiram is on McGahee’s christmas card list?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:50 am
686.lefty12 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Did any of you actually watch or see any Cincy games last year?Bringing 85 here would be a huge mistake.
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I did and I disagree
May 12th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Haven’t you been paying attention to all the EXPERTS in here today who say that DHB has to play every down even though he is not on Scholarship?
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LAST YEAR ….
Chaz was hurt to start the year.
Murphy DID start last year, until he got hurt.
JLH and Nick Miller were not and should not have been in the converation to start at WR.
Ford was an unknown rookie who started (or played startes snaps) once he was discovered midseason.
THIS YEAR …
DHB will be no higher than #4 on the depth chart.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:51 am
CJ37 has a slightly better chance of getting cut than McFadden or Ware. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but I would not be surprised to see CJ not make the team.
McFadden and Ware will have to show some improvement, though. Ware showed a better nose for the ball than McFadden, but neither guy is really Al’s vision of what a prototype cover corner should be. Both guys have some speed, but they’re much smaller than the CBs you usually see Al go for.
Marshall talked up Ware as a guy who can play safety in a pinch, so if Bresnahan and Ross agree he’ll have an advantage over McFadden and CJ.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am
according to the stats JFB posted last week.
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He’s an excellent propogandist!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am
I think CJ will have a bounce back year. That hammy injury really hurt him last season.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am
WOLB is an uncertainty as neither Groves, Scott or Goethel seem to be quality starters right now
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this is absolute trash. Scott is a situational pass rusher, so he shouldn’t be in the coversation.
Groves is a stud. McClain & Wimbley will be fine at LB
Goethel & Brown = adequate depth. re-sign Sam Williams and let Bruce Davis walk the plank!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Come on Bauce DHB can’t catch at all? I think that is stretching it just a bit. DHB problem is NFL competition and he ha dto learn how to compete. Anyone who works at it can catch and he works at all of it. If you gave me a choice between Chad and DHB I’d take DHB in a heartbeat. That’s what I think about Chad…
May 12th, 2011 at 11:53 am
J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I’m on the fence with Chad Johnson coming on board.
I think the stregnth of our offense is and should be DMac, Miller, and Bush. That is what opens up the offense for our WRs. Our WRs are not often doubled because that means a 7 man front to go against DMac.
The issue is simply 2 of our WRs stepping their game up to where they can consistantly get open against the single coverage they are seeing. I suspect that Ford and Moore will be fine. Chaz HAS to have at least one healthy season in him, right?
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You don’t think that Chad steps in and immediately creates space with his presence and routerunning skills? And you think Moore is going to somehow break the starting lineup this year?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:53 am
691.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Why wouldn’t Chad do it for his own Playoff calibre team? he just never quits hhe’s all about the spotlight and quotes and sportscenter. I’m just not down with that right now. 2-3 years ago I would’ve sacrificed to get him but we’re just too close to chance it. When you can get a SRice and have a legitimate dominant threat.
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Rice is gonna demand super bread….no way….. Name a time when Chad wouldnt try to help young wideouts? Would Chris Henry(RIP) say that? How about Jordan Shipley? I have not heard anything of the sort
And the situation in Cincy is a bad one….I mean real bd. That franchise is a perennial loser and have a loser like Palmer as the face.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:53 am
684.lefty12 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Did any of you actually watch or see any Cincy games last year?Bringing 85 here would be a huge mistake.
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Why? I’m thinking he could provide the same kind of fire for the WR Corps as Seymour did for the D-Line.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Al doesn’t draft a CB with size and speed in the 3rd or 4th rounds only to see him be put on the practice squad. Chekwa and DVD will both be on the 53-man roster.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
700.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Come on Bauce DHB can’t catch at all? I think that is stretching it just a bit. DHB problem is NFL competition and he ha dto learn how to compete. Anyone who works at it can catch and he works at all of it. If you gave me a choice between Chad and DHB I’d take DHB in a heartbeat. That’s what I think about Chad…
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HAHAHA no way BHP. DHB=Dropped Hella Balls
May 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
I don’t remember Chad as a troublemaker in the locker room. Anybody?
May 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
And I totally disagree with you.BTW,I hate to break it to many of you but chances are DHB WILL be the starter if there is any football this year,like it or not.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Ware Wheezy DVD38 and ChimChek are all eligible for practice squad
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True, but I think all 4 of them are better than Stevie Brown & Hiram Eugene.
I see Stevie on the PS again …
Mitchell, Branch, Chewy & Eugene will play safety
Routt, CJ37, McFadden, Ware & DVD will play corner
Print That!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
B,
It is what it is. I’m rolling with DHB one more season. At the end of the day, we are talking about the #4 WR position on the roster, lol. #4, not some future pro bowler.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:56 am
DHB=Dropped Hella Balls
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LOL!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am
703.KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:53 am
684.lefty12 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Did any of you actually watch or see any Cincy games last year?Bringing 85 here would be a huge mistake.
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Why? I’m thinking he could provide the same kind of fire for the WR Corps as Seymour did for the D-Line.
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Wow this is bad when Kell and I are agreeing but its the truth. He will bring much needed experience and charisma to this franchise.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Gholston might be wearing a silver and black uni but it wont be for the Oakland Raiders maybe the Swarco Raiders. the kid is horrible even worse.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am
706.KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
I don’t remember Chad as a troublemaker in the locker room. Anybody?
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Playoffs vs Steelers alledgedly
May 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am
“DHB will be no higher than #4 on the depth chart.”
I 100% agree with you Jhill
I was pointing that very thing out to the kind people on this blog earlier today and was told I know nothing about football and or the meaning of scholarship.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am
CJ37 has a slightly better chance of getting cut than McFadden or Ware. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but I would not be surprised to see CJ not make the team.
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I think CJ37 will lead the team with 6 INT’s next season
May 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am
709.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
B,
It is what it is. I’m rolling with DHB one more season. At the end of the day, we are talking about the #4 WR position on the roster, lol. #4, not some future pro bowler.
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Yeah DHB is a reserve WR….its all good
May 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am
“You down w/ D-H-B”
“Yeah, you know me”
“Who’s down w/ DHB”
“Every last homie”
May 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Groves is a stud.
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Wwwwwwhooooaaa!
May 12th, 2011 at 11:59 am
712.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Gholston might be wearing a silver and black uni but it wont be for the Oakland Raiders maybe the Swarco Raiders. the kid is horrible even worse.
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Al will take risks sometimes
May 12th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
718.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Groves is a stud.
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Wwwwwwhooooaaa!
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At making zero tackles……guy is not good
May 12th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Cinci won the division 2years ago until they brought in Chad’s BFF T.O. and wnet away from the running game.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
CJ is old, in danger of losing his job. Stan will step up in Nnamdi’s absence. McFadden is teh suck. I’d keep Ware, if he can beat out DVD and/or Chekwa. Should be a battle.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Bauce Big Al will take risks………….on guys taht can play, this guy can’t play. No reason for a risk.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
You know if Nick Miller were drafted at #7 overall, and he’d be still the starter after a couple of garbage seasons. Close your eyes and visualize this. It’s not farfetched.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
but chances are DHB WILL be the starter if there is any football this year,like it or not.
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Very well could be since our first play from scrimmage will likely be a running play, lol!
Seriously, I hope you and Priest are right about DHB and he pulls a traditional year 3 I get it outta his arsse. I think he was much better last year than he was his rookie year, but he still has a ways to go if we plan on using him as this vertical threat.
If DHB starts this year with a healthy Chaz, Murphy, and Ford on the roster, then he would have earned it and that can only be a good thing for the team.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
I know CJ got a few years on him. Wouldn’t mind seeing him given a shot at FS.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Prediction……….
Vernon Gholston will be wearing a silver and black uni soon.
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DMAC,
in place of who?
I don’t see many openings along the Defensive front seven
MLB McClain/Goethel
WLB Groves/Williams
SLB Wimbley/Brown
guys like Bruce Davis or Quentin Scott can be replaced by undrafted rookie free agents and I don’t think VG will settle for the vet minimum so soon …
go get Mark Herzlich for peanuts!
May 12th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Bruce Bruce
May 12th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
721.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Cinci won the division 2years ago until they brought in Chad’s BFF T.O. and wnet away from the running game.
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Yup exactly and you think those two things happen here? Thanks BHP
May 12th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
don’t see many openings along the Defensive front seven
MLB McClain/Goethel
WLB Groves/Williams
SLB Wimbley/Brown
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I could see a space open up for Brown. He cost us the playoffs when RoMac was out against JAX. Never hated on him till then.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
You don’t think that Chad steps in and immediately creates space with his presence and routerunning skills? And you think Moore is going to somehow break the starting lineup this year?
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Chaz is still a very good NFL WR. No argument there.
Moore has a very good chance to be a starter at some point this year. Chaz will likely be hurt, and DHB and Murphy are very replaceable.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
A few years ago 85 would have been a good addition,not now.He still cries about not getting the ball enough and his antics wouldn’t be good for the many young WRs we have.I don’t see the same comparison between him and Seymour.We didn’t have enough DTs signed,yet we have a glut of young talented WRs on the team.Seymour was a huge need,IMO.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Brown is garbage.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Ricky that is.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Groves is awful RRS. We need to really look into signing Rocky McIntosh. He is an actual WLB that can cover and tackle well
May 12th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
So where does Nnamdi sign?
Raiders?
Eagles?
Cowboys?
Texans?
Redskins?
Whiners?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Rocky would be an instant upgrade to our D. Like I said, I’m down w/ that.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I don’t see a glut of talented WR’s on staff. Chaz is by far our best WR.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I could see a space open up for Brown. He cost us the playoffs when RoMac was out against JAX. Never hated on him till then
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what about Ford’s fumble or Boller’s INT?
we had PLENTY of chances to win that game and didn’t.
We beat KC and their #1 rushing attack without ROMAC. I’m sure we could have contained Jennings and Smurf Jones-Drew well enough to get the “W” as well. Garrard threw 4 friggin TD’s man. Blame Marshall’s 5 safety no cornerback defense. Ricky Brown didn’t cost us that game. You could have painted him black and called him Rolando against J’ville. nobody would have known the difference
May 12th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
732.lefty12 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
A few years ago 85 would have been a good addition,not now.He still cries about not getting the ball enough and his antics wouldn’t be good for the many young WRs we have.I don’t see the same comparison between him and Seymour.We didn’t have enough DTs signed,yet we have a glut of young talented WRs on the team.Seymour was a huge need,IMO.
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Carson Palmer sucks man. Just saw Chad two years ago average 14.5 per catch. I know he isnt cooked at all. Look at his numbers from last year and he easily is our best WR
May 12th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
What’s up Left? you’re absolutely right Seymour was manna from heaven. Chad scares me I’ve just seen his movie way too many times. He’ll come here thinkin g he’s the be all to end all and making noise we just don’t need .
Bauce thinks the guy is ready to change, not me. I think he wants a retirement fund just like Sapp.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
You could have painted him black and called him Rolando against J’ville. nobody would have known the difference
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Hell to the No!
May 12th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
738.KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I don’t see a glut of talented WR’s on staff. Chaz is by far our best WR.
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But he cant stay healthy so therefore as an NFL WR he isnt our best one…..Sadly its Louis Murphy
May 12th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Its pretty funny that so many always complain that we never develop any players,yet we have a bunch of talented young WRs and all you want to do is bring in old vets who, if not already , are nearing the back ends of their careers.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Moore has a very good chance to be a starter at some point this year. Chaz will likely be hurt, and DHB and Murphy are very replaceable.
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I know it’s just me, but what I saw Moore on video…, I see is good hands, but he’s making all sorts of circus catches but not getting separation. I don’t think SEC CB’s are NFL caliber. He seems average at a lot of things, except the hands which are good. He lacks the explosiveness or athleticism to make it at the next level. just my opinion, I doubt he makes the team.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Ricky Brown still sucks tho. This isnt shocking news. But as a backup I’m not too mad
May 12th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Its pretty funny that so many always complain that we never develop any players,yet we have a bunch of talented young WRs and all you want to do is bring in old vets who, if not already , are nearing the back ends of their careers.
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Two words….Sanjay Lal
May 12th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Brown is garbage
Groves is awful
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Come on guys!
quit joking around
May 12th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Its pretty funny that so many always complain that we never develop any players,yet we have a bunch of talented young WRs and all you want to do is bring in old vets who, if not already , are nearing the back ends of their careers
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Bunch of talented? We have some talent but no one to be a reliable number 1…..thats a problem
May 12th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Ricky Brown still sucks tho. This isnt shocking news. But as a backup I’m not too mad
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Maybe as a backups, backup.
I’m cool w/ that.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
I think Chad would work well with HueJax, and be very helpful. If HueJax wasn’t here, then I’d be more worried.
But Chad is a guy who loves the game.
Name a Good WR who doesn’t want the ball?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I could see a space open up for Brown. He cost us the playoffs when RoMac was out against JAX. Never hated on him till then
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what about Ford’s fumble or Boller’s INT?
we had PLENTY of chances to win that game and didn’t.
We beat KC and their #1 rushing attack without ROMAC. I’m sure we could have contained Jennings and Smurf Jones-Drew well enough to get the “W” as well. Garrard threw 4 friggin TD’s man. Blame Marshall’s 5 safety no cornerback defense. Ricky Brown didn’t cost us that game. You could have painted him black and called him Rolando against J’ville. nobody would have known the difference
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RLFMAO. Ok man…Ok
May 12th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
So should we keep Chaz in a big azz thick plastic bubble on the sidelines till’ game day?
You think that would work?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
741.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
What’s up Left? you’re absolutely right Seymour was manna from heaven. Chad scares me I’ve just seen his movie way too many times. He’ll come here thinkin g he’s the be all to end all and making noise we just don’t need .
Bauce thinks the guy is ready to change, not me. I think he wants a retirement fund just like Sapp.
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Chad already has money BHP and shall continue to make money. Chad busts his ass in practice and games. No matter how much you like him as a person that much cant be denied.
Him and Sapp are nowhere near each other. Chad is actually cool
May 12th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
751.KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
I think Chad would work well with HueJax, and be very helpful. If HueJax wasn’t here, then I’d be more worried.
But Chad is a guy who loves the game.
Name a Good WR who doesn’t want the ball?
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Damn you guys gonna let Kell be voice of reason today?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Him and Sapp are nowhere near each other. Chad is actually cool
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Cooler than a polar bears toe nail?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Q Groves is gonna shut you suckas up this season.
He’s an asset – not a liability!
Same with CJ37 & Mike Mitchell.
We don’t need Chad at WR. We need a vet mentor type. a big bodied possession WR to move the chains
I’ll take Terrell Owens over Ocho, Plax, S Smith or S Moss … 2-years $5 million
May 12th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 11th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
I think the three best teams in football those years all played in the AFC; Miami, the Raiders and Pittsburgh. It’s really too bad that only one of them at a time got to go to the Super Bowl
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It’s really sad to me, who sat in the Coliseum through those Titanic rivalries, that the only organization who’s not competing now is the Raiders.
Any old-timers recall?
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I’m a little late with this, but I remember very well those fierce rivalries of the 70’s… The entire reason I am a Raiders fan is due to the fact that my cousin is #55 Dan Conners. Captain of one of Oakland’s best defenses in the late 60’s dubbed ‘The eleven angry men’… Ever catch the hit big Dan put on Lynn Swann from the Raiders-Complete History DVD? Dumped that sissy Steeler on his head near the sideline… He wouldve been thrown out of the game for that these days… Hell yeah, I long for those days and those types of players. Dan and his boys brought that Raiders mystique and nastiness that has been lost for years!! When I read Coach Jackson talking about building a ‘bully’, those are the teams whose mold he should be trying to fit…
RAIDER on!!
May 12th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
We don’t have a true so called #1 because they are all young.If they aren’t allowed to play we will never know if they are capable of being a so called #1 receiver.The talent is there,we have to let it blossom.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
I’ll take a Santonio Holmes over all WR’s mentioned today.
He’s a baller.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Bauce we don’t KNOW that yet. Guys like Ford, Chaz Murphy and EVEN DHB man listen to me I’ve seen this before years ago when we had Cliff Branch who peopel laughed at, almost as bad a DHB. When got Biletnikof Bigf Al was ready to cut him, because he couldn’t catch out of Florida St. Now they both should be in the HOF.
Bauce trust me youngblood, these kids will surprise you. You may not remember this but there was a time when the fans in Cinci were calling Chad a bust. he was drafted in the 1st rnd and it took him late into his 2nd year to start producing.
Lefty12 is right on IMO we always complain that we can’t develope players well we’re doin g just that andd fans just don’t have the patience to see it through.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
I’ll take a Santonio Holmes over all WR’s mentioned today
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DHB, Murphy & Ford are your Top 3 WR’s
I’m holding out hope for Moore & Ausberry
Chaz is one jog in the park away from an injury settlement …
oh yeah, plus Sanjay Lal is a joke
May 12th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
gotta go-carry on.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Later peoples!
Go A’s!
Go DUBS!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
F_uck it! Go Sharks!
May 12th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
1 last comment.Heard Hue being interviewed yesterday and he said Ausberry will be looked at as a TE.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
our best hope is that DHB & Murphy gain some serious chemistry with Jason Campbell this offseason.
We need JCamp on the same page with Jackson & Saunders, too.
The O-Line and lack of a backup QB concerns me more than the young wides at this point.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
The only consistent WR on staff is Chaz, imo, and he’s injury prone.
You never know what your’e gonna ger out of Murphy, DHB.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Heard Hue being interviewed yesterday and he said Ausberry will be looked at as a TE
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that would be a HUGE mistake!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/693551-will-former-usc-wr-david-ausberry-be-the-sleeper-in-oakland-watchout-dhb
May 12th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Let me say this in caps so you all can change the subject. AL HAS DRAFTED 5 WRS IN THE PAST 3 DRAFTS WHILE SIGNING NICK MILLER AS A FREE AGENT. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL AL SIGNS A BIG NAME WR THIS OFFSEASON.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
David Ausberry = huge target with excellent hands.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
768.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
David Ausberry = huge target with excellent hands.
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Sounds like a perfect #3 TE behind Marcel Reece.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
FA Needs: 1 or 2 of the better FA OL (I’d like 2 but I am greedy), FA Vet WR (Ocho, Floyd), Backup Vet QB (anyone but Bulger).
May 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
David Ausberry = Who the hell knows.
I can’t see the Raiders trying to make a move this season with unknown WR’s. It’s a big gamble to settle for last year’s production at WR.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
David Ausberry = practice squad
May 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
David Ausberry = huge target with excellent hands.
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Project tweener fighting for a spot, likely heading for PS.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Al is gonna grab an olineman in FA and a QB. Thats all folks.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
I will go ahead and say it. I don’t think any of the WR/TE’s we drafted this year make the team. Wiz II is going to be the only week #1 starter. The others need to compete to earn PT.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Sanjay Lal’s jury is still out.
What are we supposed to give the WR coach credit for anyway?
Is it Lal’s fault DHB was so raw?
Is it Lal’s fault that Murphy has concentration issues?
Is it Lal’s fault that our so called #1 WR hasn’t played in 2 years?
Should Lal get some credit for Ford producing?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
TB33 and MM34 are your starting safeties ladies.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Al and Hue think we are set at WR. You can count on that.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Sanjay Lal’s jury is still out.
What are we supposed to give the WR coach credit for anyway?
Is it Lal’s fault DHB was so raw?
Is it Lal’s fault that Murphy has concentration issues?
Is it Lal’s fault that our so called #1 WR hasn’t played in 2 years?
Should Lal get some credit for Ford producing?
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Are you defending Lal? He’s had what experience or examples of great coaching when it comes to NFL WR’s? The group as a whole is inconsistent and that goes back to coaching. A good coach would have all the receivers on the same page.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Why doesnt anyone talk about the backup QB spot? That is obviously something that will happen.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Ford is the one WR we have that has that “my ball” mentality. All the others hear footsteps and lose concentration when going up top for the ball.
Ford is a str8 balla!
May 12th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Guest123,
The whole team has been inconsistant not just the WRs
May 12th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Maybe this season the WRs can get the benefit of the same QB consistently.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Free Agent Offensive Linemen:
Pos Name Previous Team Comments / 2011 Status?
C Nick Cole Philadelphia Eagles
C Jean-Philippe Darche Kansas City Chiefs
C Dylan Gandy Detroit Lions
C Olin Kreutz Chicago Bears
C Nick Mangold New York Jets
C Patrick Mannelly Chicago Bears
C Will Montgomery Washington Redskins
C Chris Morris Carolina Panthers
C Samson Satele Oakland Raiders
C Mark Setterstrom St. Louis Rams
C Chris Spencer Seattle Seahawks
C Jason Spitz Green Bay Packers
G Allen Barbre Miami Dolphins
G Josh Beekman Chicago Bears
G Kevin Boothe New York Giants
G Daryn Colledge Green Bay Packers
G Harvey Dahl Atlanta Falcons
G Derrick Dockery Washington Redskins – wont return
G Alan Faneca Arizona Cardinals – might retire
G Kynan Forney Jacksonville Jaguars
G Robert Gallery Oakland Raiders gone – maybe Seattle
G Leroy Harris Tennessee Titans
G Adrian Jones Pittsburgh Steelers
G Davin Joseph Tampa Bay Buccaneers
G Brandon Keith Arizona Cardinals 3 yrs – u/k tender
G Scott Kooistra Baltimore Ravens
G Kyle Kosier Dallas Cowboys
G Deuce Lutui Arizona Cardinals 5 yrs – 2nd rd tender
G Logan Mankins New England Patriots unclear
G Evan Mathis Cincinnati Bengals
G Carl Nicks New Orleans Saints
G Uche Nwaneri Jacksonville Jaguars
G Jonathan Palmer Jacksonville Jaguars
G Cory Procter Miami Dolphins
G Donovan Raiola Tampa Bay Buccaneers
G Garrison Sanborn Buffalo Bills
G Lyle Sendlein Arizona Cardinals 4 yrs -2nd rd tender
G Kasey Studdard Houston Texans
G Michael Toudouze Indianapolis Colts
G Keydrick Vincent Tampa Bay Buccaneers
G Reggie Wells Philadelphia Eagles
G Mansfield Wrotto Buffalo Bills
G Billy Yates Cleveland Browns
T Khalif Barnes Oakland Raiders
T Justin Blalock Atlanta Falcons
T Aaron Brant Chicago Bears
T Jermon Bushrod New Orleans Saints
T Kirk Chambers Cincinnati Bengals
T Jeromey Clary San Diego Chargers
T Willie Colon Pittsburgh Steelers
T Brandyn Dombrowski San Diego Chargers
T Doug Free Dallas Cowboys
T Jared Gaither Baltimore Ravens
T Cornell Green Buffalo Bills
T Ryan Harris Denver Broncos – likely gone
T Mario Henderson Oakland Raiders
T Charlie Johnson Indianapolis Colts FA if 4-year rule is imposed
T Matt Light New England Patriots
T Sean Locklear Seattle Seahawks
T Jamon Meredith New York Giants
T Ryan O’Callaghan Kansas City Chiefs
T Tyler Polumbus Seattle Seahawks
T Barry Richardson Kansas City Chiefs
T Ephraim Salaam Houston Texans
T Kevin Shaffer Chicago Bears
T John St. Clair Cleveland Browns
T Zach Strief New Orleans Saints
T Ray Willis Seattle Seahawks
T Damien Woody New York Jets – gone
May 12th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
All the others hear footsteps and lose concentration when going up top for the ball.
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And that’s Lal’s fault?
No, I’m not really defending Lal. Just realize that he hasn’t had much to work with.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Ford is a baller I do’t know what you guys are looking at but this kid has huge potential. It’s only due to the fact that he’s in his second year that you can’t say he’s a legit starter which is a #2 at worse. The plays this kid made at WR were spectacular he just needs reps………….period
You give Chaz and Murphy an d DHB time and you’ll see this WR corp has the potential to explode the growing pains are OVER!!
May 12th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Free Agent QB’s:
Pos Name Previous Team Comments / 2011 Status?
QB Derek Anderson Arizona Cardinals probably gone
QB Todd Bouman Jacksonville Jaguars
QB Brian Brohm Buffalo Bills
QB Marc Bulger Baltimore Ravens certainly gone – Arizona?
QB Kellen Clemens New York Jets likely gone
QB Kerry Collins Tennessee Titans unclear
QB Todd Collins Chicago Bears
QB Brodie Croyle Kansas City Chiefs
QB Nate Davis Seattle Seahawks
QB Dennis Dixon Pittsburgh Steelers restricted
QB Trent Edwards Jacksonville Jaguars
QB Brett Favre Minnesota Vikings retired?
QB Charlie Frye Oakland Raiders
QB Bruce Gradkowski Oakland Raiders unlikely to return
QB Rex Grossman Washington Redskins most speculation puts him back in Washington and starting week 1
QB Caleb Hanie Chicago Bears restricted
QB Matt Hasselbeck Seattle Seahawks team attempted to re-sign him pre-lockout – could land in TEN
QB Tarvaris Jackson Minnesota Vikings almost certainly gone
QB Josh Johnson Tampa Bay Buccaneers likely TB – slight speculation of SF due to connection with Harbaugh
QB Kevin Kolb Philadelphia Eagles almost 100% gone via trade
QB Matt Leinart Houston Texans
QB J.P. Losman Seattle Seahawks
QB Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts Indianapolis
QB Donovan McNabb Washington Redskins likely gone – Minnesota far and away mentioned most in connection to McNabb
QB Matt Moore Carolina Panthers
QB Keith Null Carolina Panthers
QB J.T. O’Sullivan Oakland Raiders
QB Carson Palmer Cincinnati Bengals wants to leave – reports all over the place about whether CIN will trade him – MIA interest?
QB Jordan Palmer Cincinnati Bengals restricted
QB Chad Pennington Miami Dolphins torn ACL
QB Patrick Ramsey Minnesota Vikings
QB JaMarcus Russell Free Agent
QB Chris Simms Tennessee Titans probably back
QB Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers San Francisco?
QB Troy Smith San Francisco 49ers probably gone
QB Jim Sorgi New York Giants
QB Drew Stanton Detroit Lions
QB Tyler Thigpen Miami Dolphins 5 yrs – tendered
QB Michael Vick Philadelphia Eagles Philadelphia
QB Billy Volek San Diego Chargers
QB Vince Young Tennessee Titans almost certainly gone
May 12th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Now thats a list worth talking about Guest. There should be at least one journeyman OL signed this season.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
#781 post is crazy but it’s good comedy.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
FA WR’s:
Pos Name Previous Team Comments / 2011 Status?
WR Devin Aromashodu Chicago Bears unlikely to return
WR Hank Baskett Minnesota Vikings
WR Bernard Berrian Minnesota Vikings expected to be cut or traded
WR Steve Breaston Arizona Cardinals 4 yrs – first round tender – will probably leave if he can get starter $$
WR Antonio Bryant Cincinnati Bengals
WR Plaxico Burress New York Giants unclear
WR Brian Clark Detroit Lions
WR Mark Clayton St. Louis Rams probably St. Louis
WR Michael Clayton New York Giants
WR David Clowney Carolina Panthers
WR Laveranues Coles New York Jets
WR Terrance Copper Kansas City Chiefs
WR Kevin Curtis Kansas City Chiefs
WR Andre’ Davis Houston Texans
WR Rashied Davis Chicago Bears
WR Early Doucet Arizona Cardinals 3 yrs – unknown tender – should be back
WR Braylon Edwards New York Jets unclear – behind Holmes in priority
WR Brian Finneran Atlanta Falcons
WR Malcom Floyd San Diego Chargers 5 yrs – 1st and 3rd round tender
WR Derek Hagan New York Giants might be back
WR Marques Hagans Washington Redskins
WR Devery Henderson New Orleans Saints expected to be cut or traded
WR Santonio Holmes New York Jets 5 yrs – 1st and 3rd tender – says he wont play for RFA tender – ahead of Edwards in priority
WR Torry Holt New England Patriots
WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh Baltimore Ravens
WR Sam Hurd Dallas Cowboys
WR Vincent Jackson San Diego Chargers willing to play with franchise tag
WR Dwayne Jarrett Carolina Panthers
WR Jacoby Jones Houston Texans 4 yrs – 2nd round tender – some indications HOU wants to re-sign
WR Jamal Jones Philadelphia Eagles
WR James Jones Green Bay Packers 4 yrs – unknown tender – says he wants to play for GB but wants to start too
WR Mark Jones Tennessee Titans
WR Johnnie Lee Higgins Oakland Raiders
WR Greg Lewis Minnesota Vikings
WR Ruvell Martin Seattle Seahawks
WR Lance Moore New Orleans Saints 5 yrs – 2nd round tender – might be back
WR Randy Moss Tennessee Titans gone – wants to be back with NE
WR Santana Moss Washington Redskins unclears – Moss said in Feb that he wants to be in Washington
WR Legedu Naanee San Diego Chargers
WR Dennis Northcutt Detroit Lions
WR Chad Ochocinco Cincinnati Bengals probably gone
WR Terrell Owens Cincinnati Bengals gone
WR Sidney Rice Minnesota Vikings 4 years – 1st round tender – one report STL will go for him
WR Laurent Robinson St. Louis Rams probably St. Louis
WR Ryne Robinson Carolina Panthers
WR Courtney Roby New Orleans Saints
WR Mike Sims-Walker Jacksonville Jaguars unlikely to be back – wants to go to Miami – Jason Hill/Jarett Dillard compete for his spot
WR Brad Smith New York Jets
WR Marcus Smith Baltimore Ravens restricted
WR Steve Smith Carolina Panthers many trade discussions
WR Steve Smith New York Giants 4 yrs – 2nd round tender – likely back
WR Michael Spurlock Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WR Donte’ Stallworth Baltimore Ravens
WR Brandon Stokley Seattle Seahawks
WR Maurice Stovall Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WR Chansi Stuckey Cleveland Browns
WR Patrick Turner New York Jets
WR Javon Walker Minnesota Vikings
WR Kelley Washington San Diego Chargers
WR Eric Weems Atlanta Falcons restricted
WR Roy Williams Dallas Cowboys expected to be cut or traded
May 12th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Will you at least tell me why you refuse to take your MEDS?
May 12th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
WR Roy Williams Dallas Cowboys expected to be cut or traded
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There’s a guy we should bring on board.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
The backup QB name I like is Josh Johnson and maybe Sorgi has been coached very well. I don’t think there’s any way Pitt lets Dixon go or I would take a flier on him. There are better candidates but they bring issues with them.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Players asking for 700m in damages, lol!
May 12th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Harvey Dahl and willie Colon would get me more excited than any WR. I know Colon missed 2010 with injury, but I would definitely take a flyer on him.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
We will probably go after TJ hoosh. In FA if that ever begins
May 12th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Raider E Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Now thats a list worth talking about Guest. There should be at least one journeyman OL signed this season.
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agree. there should be some good ones available. But I worry that when FA period opens, it will be feeding frenzy/bidding war.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
FA DB’s:
Pos Name Previous Team Comments / 2011 Status?
DB Michael Adams Arizona Cardinals
DB Gerald Alexander Carolina Panthers
DB Kyle Arrington New England Patriots
DB Nnamdi Asomugha Oakland Raiders unlikely to return
DB Josh Barrett New England Patriots
DB Josh Bell Green Bay Packers
DB Atari Bigby Green Bay Packers
DB Will Blackmon Green Bay Packers
DB Tarell Brown San Francisco 49ers
DB Melvin Bullitt Indianapolis Colts FA if 4-year rule is imposed
DB Josh Bullocks Chicago Bears
DB Quincy Butler St. Louis Rams
DB Chris Carr Baltimore Ravens
DB Sean Considine Jacksonville Jaguars
DB Kennard Cox Seattle Seahawks
DB Antonio Cromartie New York Jets unlikely to return
DB Andre Dyson New York Jets
DB Drayton Florence Buffalo Bills
DB William Gay Pittsburgh Steelers
DB Matt Giordano New Orleans Saints
DB Dashon Goldson San Francisco 49ers 4 yrs – unknown tender – could return but will be tough to re-sign
DB Corey Graham Chicago Bears
DB Deon Grant New York Giants
DB Brent Grimes Atlanta Falcons 3 yrs – first round tender
DB Ken Hamlin Indianapolis Colts
DB Michael Hamlin Jacksonville Jaguars
DB Roman Harper New Orleans Saints should be back
DB Antoine Harris Philadelphia Eagles
DB Ellis Hobbs Philadelphia Eagles
DB Chris Houston Detroit Lions
DB Michael Huff Oakland Raiders unclear – Dallas?
DB Dante Hughes San Diego Chargers
DB Chevis Jackson Denver Broncos
DB Tanard Jackson Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DB Kelly Jennings Seattle Seahawks
DB Johnathan Joseph Cincinnati Bengals tendered but may be tough to re-sign
DB Maurice Leggett Kansas City Chiefs
DB Michael Lewis St. Louis Rams
DB Elbert Mack Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DB Richard Marshall Carolina Panthers tendered but may not return
DB Derrick Martin Green Bay Packers
DB Trumaine McBride Arizona Cardinals
DB Trumaine McBride Chicago Bears
DB Brandon McDonald Detroit Lions
DB Brandon McGowan New England Patriots
DB Quintin Mikell Philadelphia Eagles unlikely to return – seems like team is moving on
DB Justin Miller Arizona Cardinals
DB Lawyer Milloy Seattle Seahawks
DB Chinedum Ndukwe Cincinnati Bengals
DB Nate Ness Miami Dolphins
DB Paul Oliver San Diego Chargers
DB Kevin Payne St. Louis Rams
DB Bernard Pollard Houston Texans looks unlikely to return
DB Brodney Pool New York Jets
DB Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
DB Gerald Sensabaugh Dallas Cowboys
DB Darren Sharper New Orleans Saints may not return
DB DeAngelo Smith Cleveland Browns
DB Shawn Springs New England Patriots
DB Scott Starks Jacksonville Jaguars
DB Ike Taylor Pittsburgh Steelers should return
DB Quinton Teal San Diego Chargers
DB Frank Walker Minnesota Vikings
DB Matt Ware Arizona Cardinals
DB Pat Watkins San Diego Chargers
DB Eric Weddle San Diego Chargers 4 yrs – 1st round tender – should return
DB John Wendling Detroit Lions
DB Donte Whitner Buffalo Bills could be gone
DB Roy Williams Cincinnati Bengals
DB Eugene Wilson Houston Texans
DB George Wilson Buffalo Bills
DB Gibril Wilson Cincinnati Bengals
DB Josh Wilson Baltimore Ravens
DB Eric Wright Cleveland Browns
May 12th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Kellen Clemens would be my choice at backup QB.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
FA DL’s:
Pos Name Previous Team Comments / 2011 Status?
DL Victor Abiamiri Philadelphia Eagles
DL Anthony Adams Chicago Bears
DL Mark Anderson Houston Texans
DL Cliff Avril Detroit Lions 3 yrs – 1st and 3rd tender and likely to return
DL Jason Babin Tennessee Titans new DC – philosophy on DL means he’ll walk
DL Justin Bannan Denver Broncos
DL David Bowens Cleveland Browns cut
DL Alan Branch Arizona Cardinals 4 yrs – unknown tender
DL Tim Bulman Houston Texans
DL Jacques Cesaire San Diego Chargers
DL Jeremy Clark Philadelphia Eagles
DL Barry Cofield New York Giants wants to leave
DL Kenyon Coleman Cleveland Browns cut
DL Alex Daniels Dallas Cowboys
DL Keyunta Dawson Indianapolis Colts
DL John Denney Miami Dolphins
DL Jared DeVries Detroit Lions
DL Ray Edwards Minnesota Vikings 5 yrs – 1st round tender – could leave
DL Ron Edwards Kansas City Chiefs
DL Shaun Ellis New York Jets
DL Demetric Evans San Francisco 49ers
DL Fred Evans Minnesota Vikings
DL Ronald Fields Denver Broncos
DL Jeffrey Fitzgerald Kansas City Chiefs
DL Andre Fluellen Detroit Lions
DL Jacob Ford Tennessee Titans
DL Aubrayo Franklin San Francisco 49ers unclear
DL Gary Gibson St. Louis Rams
DL Charles Grant Chicago Bears
DL Howard Green Green Bay Packers
DL Justin Harrell Green Bay Packers
DL Tommie Harris Chicago Bears
DL Albert Haynewsorth Washington Redskins probably gone
DL Chris Hoke Pittsburgh Steelers
DL Kenny Iwebema Arizona Cardinals
DL Xzavie Jackson Philadelphia Eagles
DL Cullen Jenkins Green Bay Packers
DL Kris Jenkins New York Jets gone – Washington?
DL Antonio Johnson Indianapolis Colts FA if 4-year rule is imposed
DL Charles Johnson Carolina Panthers franchise tag – should return
DL Curtis Johnson St. Louis Rams
DL Travis Johnson San Diego Chargers
DL Mathias Kiwanuka New York Giants unclear
DL Derek Landri Jacksonville Jaguars
DL Trey Lewis Atlanta Falcons
DL Erik Lorig Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DL John McCargo Buffalo Bills
DL Ray McDonald San Francisco 49ers
DL Brandon Mebane Seattle Seahawks
DL Mike Montgomery Green Bay Packers
DL C.J. Mosley Cleveland Browns
DL Daniel Muir Indianapolis Colts FA if 4-year rule is imposed
DL Ryan Neill San Diego Chargers
DL Haloti Ngata Baltimore Ravens likely back
DL Jay Richardson Oakland Raiders
DL Shaun Rogers Cleveland Browns signed with New Orleans
DL Terdell Sands Oakland Raiders
DL Le Kevin Smith Denver Broncos
DL Robaire Smith Cleveland Browns
DL Shaun Smith Kansas City Chiefs
DL Marcus Spears Dallas Cowboys
DL Darryl Tapp Philadelphia Eagles
DL Marcus Thomas Denver Broncos
DL Dave Tollefson New York Giants
DL Kevin Vickerson Denver Broncos
DL Gerard Warren New England Patriots
DL Jimmy Wilkerson New Orleans Saints
DL Jamal Williams Denver Broncos
DL Pat Williams Minnesota Vikings
DL Rodrique Wright New York Jets
DL James Wyche Seattle Seahawks
May 12th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
I don’t think it’s about taking a “Flyer” on any Vet WR. We have enough WR’s we’re taking “Flyers” on.
We need somebody we can be pretty sure about his production.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Man I can just see Ford taking a 5 yd hitch and one juke and it’s 6. His speed is just ridiculous, I’m going to say this and most nay take issue with it but I think he’s the single fastest rec. we’ve ever had. When he gets into the secondary you cannot get close to him. He runs away from very fast guys. Go back and look at that return in the KC home game he ran his fastest for about1.5 seconds and just left evryone 30 yards behind. It looked like a cartoon.
May 12th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
FA LB’s:
Pos Name Previous Team Comments / 2011 Status?
LB Eric Alexander Cleveland Browns
LB Jon Alston Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LB Antwan Applewhite San Diego Chargers
LB Akin Ayodele Buffalo Bills
LB Mike Balogun Buffalo Bills
LB Antwan Barnes San Diego Chargers
LB Nick Barnett Green Bay Packers might be a cost-cutting release – looks like Hawk (extension) and Bishop (extension) are starting ILBs
LB Eric Barton Cleveland Browns cut
LB Darry Beckwith San Diego Chargers
LB Kevin Bentley Houston Texans
LB Darnell Bing Houston Texans
LB Quincy Black Tampa Bay Buccaneers got a tender- unknown
LB Chase Blackburn New York Giants
LB H.B. Blades Washington Redskins tendered a RFA qualifying offer
LB Stewart Bradley Philadelphia Eagles 4 yrs – 2nd round tender – should return
LB Diyral Briggs Green Bay Packers
LB Keith Bulluck New York Giants won’t return
LB Kevin Burnett San Diego Chargers unlikely to return
LB Andre Carter Washington Redskins unlikely to return
LB Stephen Cooper San Diego Chargers unlikely to return
LB Thomas Davis Carolina Panthers could return
LB Zak DeOssie New York Giants
LB Zac Diles Houston Texans
LB Justin Durant Jacksonville Jaguars unlikely to return
LB Zack Follett Detroit Lions
LB Keyaron Fox Pittsburgh Steelers
LB Robert Francois Green Bay Packers
LB Andre Frazier Pittsburgh Steelers
LB Omar Gaither Philadelphia Eagles
LB Vernon Gholston New York Jets
LB Isaiah Greenhouse Houston Texans
LB Chad Greenway Minnesota Vikings franchise tag – should return
LB Tamba Hali Kansas City Chiefs franchise tag – should return
LB David Harris New York Jets NY Jets
LB Adam Hayward Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LB Erin Henderson Minnesota Vikings
LB LeRoy Hill Seattle Seahawks
LB Hunter Hillenmeyer Chicago Bears
LB D’Qwell Jackson Cleveland Browns re-signed 1-year deal
LB Landon Johnson Detroit Lions
LB Dhani Jones Cincinnati Bengals gone if Maualuga ready
LB Akeem Jordan Philadelphia Eagles
LB Chris Kelsay Buffalo Bills
LB Lance Laury New York Jets
LB Manny Lawson San Francisco 49ers unlikely to return
LB Ben Leber Minnesota Vikings
LB Turk McBride Detroit Lions
LB Rocky McIntosh Washington Redskins unlikely to return – team unhappy he skipped offseason workouts last year
LB Kirk Morrison Jacksonville Jaguars unclear
LB Stephen Nicholas Atlanta Falcons
LB David Nixon St. Louis Rams
LB Cyril Obiozor Arizona Cardinals
LB Julian Peterson Detroit Lions
LB Mike Peterson Atlanta Falcons
LB Paul Posluszny Buffalo Bills Bills tendered – want him back
LB Brandon Renkart Pittsburgh Steelers
LB Matt Roth Cleveland Browns will test market
LB Barrett Ruud Tampa Bay Buccaneers unclear – Bucs yet to offer
LB Clint Session Indianapolis Colts 4 yrs – 2nd round tender – team likes youngsters Kavell Connor and Pat Angerer at OLB too
LB Scott Shanle New Orleans Saints
LB Brandon Siler San Diego Chargers should return
LB Maurice Simpkins Green Bay Packers
LB Ernie Sims Philadelphia Eagles unclear
LB Takeo Spikes San Francisco 49ers should return
LB Jason Taylor New York Jets
LB David Thornton Tennessee Titans
LB Stephen Tulloch Tennessee Titans 5 yrs – stays in TEN under 2010 rules – will test market under new rules
LB David Vobora St. Louis Rams
LB Mike Vrabel Kansas City Chiefs
LB Tracy White New England Patriots
LB Matt Wilhelm Green Bay Packers
LB Jamar Williams Carolina Panthers
LB Rod Wilson Chicago Bears
LB Coy Wire Atlanta Falcons
LB LaMarr Woodley Pittsburgh Steelers franchise tag – should return
May 12th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
FA RB’s:
Pos Name Previous Team Comments / 2011 Status?
RB Joseph Addai Indianapolis Colts 5 yrs – 1st round tender – likely to stay
RB Deon Anderson Dallas Cowboys
RB Marion Barber Dallas Cowboys more and more feeling he is done as a Cowboy
RB Tiki Barber Retired
RB Jackie Battle Kansas City Chiefs 3 yrs – not tendered
RB Mike Bell Cleveland Browns
RB Joique Bell New Orleans Saints
RB Ladell Betts New Orleans Saints
RB Cedric Benson Cincinnati Bengals likely back
RB Ahmad Bradshaw New York Giants 4 yrs – 2nd round tender – says he’ll be back
RB Curtis Brinkley San Diego Chargers
RB Andre Brown Washington Redskins
RB Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins unclear – likely ahead of Williams in priority
RB Correll Buckhalter Denver Broncos expected to be cut or traded
RB Michael Bush Oakland Raiders 4 (maybe only 3) yrs – 1st and 3rd tender – should be back
RB Tim Castille Kansas City Chiefs
RB Thomas Clayton New England Patriots
RB Kenneth Darby St. Louis Rams
RB James Davis Washington Redskins
RB Kyle Eckel Denver Broncos
RB Vanness Emokpae Free Agent
RB Heath Evans New Orleans Saints
RB Justin Fargas Denver Broncos
RB Kevin Faulk New England Patriots retired?
RB Jerome Felton Detroit Lions restricted
RB Arian Foster Houston Texans Houston
RB Quinton Ganther Buffalo Bills
RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis New England Patriots 3 yrs – 2nd round tender – probably back
RB Ahmard Hall Tennessee Titans
RB Korey Hall Green Bay Packers
RB Lynell Hamilton New Orleans Saints restricted
RB Jerome Harrison Philadelphia Eagles 5 yrs – 2nd round tender
RB Mike Hart Indianapolis Colts restricted
RB Tim Hightower Arizona Cardinals 3 yrs – unknown tender – should be back
RB P.J. Hill New Orleans Saints
RB Brad Hoover Carolina Panthers
RB Kareem Huggins Tampa Bay Buccaneers
RB Brandon Jacobs New York Giants likely contract restructure
RB Brandon Jackson Green Bay Packers extended a tender
RB Larry Johnson Washington Redskins
RB Julius Jones New Orleans Saints
RB John Kuhn Green Bay Packers
RB Billy Latsko San Diego Chargers
RB Vonta Leach Houston Texans
RB Brian Leonard Cincinnati Bengals
RB Marcus Mailei New Orleans Saints
RB Laurence Maroney Denver Broncos
RB Reagan Mauia Arizona Cardinals
RB Le’Ron McClain Baltimore Ravens FB McKie re-signed so possibly brought back as #2 HB?
RB Willis McGahee Baltimore Ravens likely cut – possibly re-signed cheaper
RB Corey McIntyre Buffalo Bills
RB Brit Miller St. Louis Rams
RB Ryan Moats Minnesota Vikings
RB Mewelde Moore Pittsburgh Steelers
RB Sammy Morris New England Patriots
RB Jerious Norwood Atlanta Falcons likely gone
RB Willie Parker Washington Redskins
RB Jalen Parmale Baltimore Ravens restricted
RB Adrian Peterson Seattle Seahawks
RB Lousaka Polite Miami Dolphins
RB Clinton Portis Washington Redskins likely gone – wants to start somewhere
RB Darius Reynaud New York Giants
RB Tony Richardson New York Jets gone
RB Mike Sellers Washington Redskins
RB Chad Simpson Washington Redskins
RB Clifton Smith Cleveland Browns
RB Kevin Smith Detroit Lions wasn’t tendered – likely gone
RB Jason Snelling Atlanta Falcons 4 yrs – 2nd round tender – might be coveted in bigger role elsewhere
RB Darren Sproles San Diego Chargers almost definitely gone after back to back franchise tags
RB Steve Slaton Houston Texans expected to be cut or traded
RB Naufahu Tahi Minnesota Vikings
RB Fred Taylor New England Patriots retired
RB Mike Tolbert San Diego Chargers 3 yrs – 2nd round tender
RB Lawrence Vickers Cleveland Browns
RB Danny Ware New York Giants
RB Brian Westbrook San Francisco 49ers wants to return to PHI
RB Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers unclear
RB DeAngelo Williams Carolina Panthers 5 yrs – 1st and 3rd round tender – expressed interest in MIA
RB Eddie Williams Chicago Bears
RB Ricky Williams Miami Dolphins unclear – likely behind Brown in priority – some interest in bringing both back
RB Garrett Wolfe Chicago Bears
RB Dwayne Wright Pittsburgh Steelers
RB Jason Wright Arizona Cardinals
RB DeShawn Wynn New Orleans Saints
RB Albert Young Minnesota Vikings
May 12th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
FA TE’s:
Pos Name Previous Team Comments / 2011 Status?
TE Chris Baker Seattle Seahawks
TE Anthony Becht Arizona Cardinals
TE Kevin Boss New York Giants 4 yrs – 2nd round tender
TE Scott Chandler Buffalo Bills
TE Desmond Clark Chicago Bears
TE Daniel Coats Denver Broncos
TE Brad Cottam Kansas City Chiefs restricted
TE Greg Estandia Cleveland Browns
TE Daniel Fells St. Louis Rams restricted
TE John Paul Foschi Cincinnati Bengals
TE Joel Gamble Tennessee Titans
TE John Gilmore Tampa Bay Buccaneers
TE Daniel Graham Denver Broncos St. Louis? Seattle?
TE Ben Hartsock New York Jets money-saving cut
TE Spencer Havner Green Bay Packers received original pick tender
TE Darcy Johnson St. Louis Rams
TE Jeff King Carolina Panthers
TE Donald Lee Green Bay Packers
TE Randy McMichael San Diego Chargers
TE Zach Miller Oakland Raiders 4 yrs – 1st and 3rd round tender – should be back
TE Garrett Mills Cleveland Browns
TE Evan Moore Cleveland Browns restricted
TE Nathan Overbay Tampa Bay Buccaneers
TE Ben Patrick Arizona Cardinals
TE Jamie Petrowski Carolina Panthers
TE Gijon Robinson Indianapolis Colts restricted
TE Dante Rosario Carolina Panthers
TE Robert Royal Cleveland Browns
TE Tom Santi Indianapolis Colts restricted
TE Bo Scaife Tennessee Titans unlikely to return
TE Stephen Spach Arizona Cardinals
TE Jerramy Stevens Tampa Bay Buccaneers
TE David Thomas New Orleans Saints should return
TE Ernest Wilford Jacksonville Jaguars
May 12th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Got FAs?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
That is all. Unless you want the K’s and P’s.
Got them too. But we have the best in the NFL at those imo.
May 12th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
who i would like to have in on visits:
QB-troy smith or derek anderson
WR-santana moss
LB-vernon gholston / rocky mcintosh / kirk morrison
DL-Barry Cofield / albert haynesworth
DB-Nnamdi / Ellis Hobbs / Cromartie
G-Harvey Dahl / Mankins / Cory Proctor
T-Jared Gaither / ephraim salaam / matt light
thanks for the list guest
May 12th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Thank god we have McFadden huh guys?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Guest
Why are you posting all that BS?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Guest
Why are you posting all that BS? What an Idiot.
May 12th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Who in their right mind wants Derek Anderson anywhere near this team? He has to be the worst QB in memory. Come one man lets go get some sunshine you’re getting dilerious. Take a break!!
May 12th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
they’re asking for 700Mill so they can get $250mill. That would help a lot of players get through some tough times.
May 12th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
What is the point of posting lists of free agents when there is no CBA in place and we have no idea which players will actually qualify as free agents once the dust settles?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
When HueJack was at the Bungoles, didn’t he and Chad Ocho get into a VERY heated argument and have to be seperated before punches were thrown, during the halftime break in a game?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Ephraim Salaam wouldn’t even make this team.
May 12th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
So Dakota,
Paula Gasoft, Artest, and Brown for Howard and Arenas?
AND …
Bynum for CP3 and Ariza?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
817.909RaiderLifer Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
When HueJack was at the Bungoles, didn’t he and Chad Ocho get into a VERY heated argument and have to be seperated before punches were thrown, during the halftime break in a game?
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Yeah it was in relation to Chad just blowing up after Palmer and Henry got injured on the same play. Rough stuff but yet he and Hue are still cool with one another. Hue knows how much Chad wants to win and know he would come to play
May 12th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
So I read that the 3.5 year statistic for average length of an NFL player’s career is total BS. They factor in guys who never make a roster.
In reality, if a player makes their teams’ opening day roster, their career is 6 years.
Players who are drafted in the first round play about 9.3 years and pro bowl players play about 11.7 years on average.
Should the Stryker Sulaks and Manase Tongas really count in that calculation?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
819.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
So Dakota,
Paula Gasoft, Artest, and Brown for Howard and Arenas?
AND …
Bynum for CP3 and Ariza?
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Instantly a contending team if that was pulled off, but can they win it? Can Kobe take not being the man?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
817.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
So Dakota,
Paula Gasoft, Artest, and Brown for Howard and Arenas?
AND …
Bynum for CP3 and Ariza?
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Done deal.
May 12th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Who in their right mind wants Derek Anderson anywhere near this team?
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But he was a pro-bowler?
Buster-Douglas of QBs?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
794.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
WR Roy Williams Dallas Cowboys expected to be cut or traded
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There’s a guy we should bring on board.
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God no. A bust will mentor another bust in DHB? That is a bad idea all the way around the clock.
May 12th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
So I read that the 3.5 year statistic for average length of an NFL player’s career is total BS. They factor in guys who never make a roster.
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Link?
May 12th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
You would have the same issues Orlando is having maybe the saving grace would be CP3 and Howard with Kobe nice threesome. But no backup C you’d be prudent to keep one C to backup Howard. You might get CP3 on the cheap.
May 12th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
DHB makes Roy Williams look like a HOFer.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
761.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Bauce we don’t KNOW that yet. Guys like Ford, Chaz Murphy and EVEN DHB man listen to me I’ve seen this before years ago when we had Cliff Branch who peopel laughed at, almost as bad a DHB. When got Biletnikof Bigf Al was ready to cut him, because he couldn’t catch out of Florida St. Now they both should be in the HOF.
Bauce trust me youngblood, these kids will surprise you. You may not remember this but there was a time when the fans in Cinci were calling Chad a bust. he was drafted in the 1st rnd and it took him late into his 2nd year to start producing.
Lefty12 is right on IMO we always complain that we can’t develope players well we’re doin g just that andd fans just don’t have the patience to see it through.
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Chad was a 2nd rounder and comparing his first two years compared to DHB’s is slaughter both the first season and the second.
None on this roster have the goods to be a full season number 1. I like Murphy and Ford dont like DHB or Chaz through the course of a season. Chad is badly needed
May 12th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Roy Williams = bust player?
Not as good as DHB????
LOL!
May 12th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Dakota after th 1st rnd it drops considerably. From 4th rnd on they may play 1 year some not even that. Sure it factors into the 3.5 or else you would only be counting starters. Starters probably average 6-7 years which is still a very short career. Most starters last 4-5 years and they’re replaced. Unless they’re potential probowlers which accounts for about 5% of the league.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
3.5 thats it cant be right
May 12th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
827.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
You would have the same issues Orlando is having maybe the saving grace would be CP3 and Howard with Kobe nice threesome. But no backup C you’d be prudent to keep one C to backup Howard. You might get CP3 on the cheap.
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Lakers still got the Kobe problem lol
May 12th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Kobe is at a point in his career where he welcomes help. How many times was he throwing it in to Paula only to have her throw it right back out.
Kobe would still be “the man” in LA even with CP3 and Howard on the team. Plenty of touche available for Bynum and Paula which would go to Howard. CP3 has no problem just getting 20 assists a game.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
834.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Kobe is at a point in his career where he welcomes help. How many times was he throwing it in to Paula only to have her throw it right back out.
Kobe would still be “the man” in LA even with CP3 and Howard on the team. Plenty of touche available for Bynum and Paula which would go to Howard. CP3 has no problem just getting 20 assists a game.
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Laker fans are in full denial of his decline. This will be awesome if there is an NBA season next year
May 12th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
817.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
So Dakota,
Paula Gasoft, Artest, and Brown for Howard and Arenas?
AND …
Bynum for CP3 and Ariza?
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I don’t see Orlando taking Gasol. They will want Bynum who is what 23, 24 years old?
Bynum and Odom to Orlando for Howard and Arenas….
I think we can get C3P OR Howard, but not both.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Not having a backup C was hardly Orlando’s problem.
A 5′2 PG and a washed up Turkoglo might have had something to do with it though.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Orlando is not working from a position of strength.
Are they going to get a better offer than Gasoft?
They can always repeat the Shaq thing and get nothing.
How about Deron Williams and Lopez for Bynum, Shannon Brown, and Sasha?
May 12th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Orlando ruined their chances when they let Turk go the first time after 2009. No more Rafer and Courtney Lee. Anthony Johnson played great D for ya, he is gone. Gortat is gone. Pietrus is gone. Rashard Lewis is gone. The front office brass dropped the ball the last 22 months.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
838.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Orlando is not working from a position of strength.
Are they going to get a better offer than Gasoft?
They can always repeat the Shaq thing and get nothing.
How about Deron Williams and Lopez for Bynum, Shannon Brown, and Sasha?
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How about no way
May 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
836.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
817.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
So Dakota,
Paula Gasoft, Artest, and Brown for Howard and Arenas?
AND …
Bynum for CP3 and Ariza?
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I don’t see Orlando taking Gasol. They will want Bynum who is what 23, 24 years old?
Bynum and Odom to Orlando for Howard and Arenas….
I think we can get C3P OR Howard, but not both.
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And who coaches them to another west semis exit?
May 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
15 years into this thing, of course Kobe is on the downside of his career. Most people still consider him to be in the best player in the game coversation. When you’re declinging from that perch, you have a long way to go before you “fall off”.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Jhill,
I hate to rain on the Laker parade, but with the current state of the NBA I think the teams will be pushing for a hard cap and the Lakers will actually have to get rid of players and get next to nothing in return to get below said cap.
I think the days of the lakers carrying a $90 million dollar payroll are over. The Lakers are going to have to field a team for about $65-70 million, and with Kobe’s bloated contract that will become very difficult. And I don’t see Kobe re-negotiating his contract down so that he can keep a decent team around him.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
As State Faces Deep Cuts, Texas Commits $250 Million Of Taxpayer Money To Auto Racing
At a time when Texas is dealing with a record budget deficit by slashing essential services and possibly laying off 97,000 teachers, state lawmakers have committed taxpayers to funding Formula One auto racing at a steep price: $25 million a year for the next 10 years.
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/12/texas-f-1-racing/
May 12th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
You just need to worry about the W’s slobbering over guys like Duane Casey instead of who will be coaching our squad.
No matter what the drama is going on with the Lake Show, we can always look forward to slapping the Ws around.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
842.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
15 years into this thing, of course Kobe is on the downside of his career. Most people still consider him to be in the best player in the game coversation. When you’re declinging from that perch, you have a long way to go before you “fall off”.
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AS far as being the best yes he has fallen off. AS far as being that dominant player who can lead and win nba finals yes he has fallen off. Friction with teammates again yes he has fallen off. Kobe still thinks he can average 30 pts a game lol.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
So Dakota,
You’re telling me the Heat ar going to have to trade one of the big 3?
May 12th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
845.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
You just need to worry about the W’s slobbering over guys like Duane Casey instead of who will be coaching our squad.
No matter what the drama is going on with the Lake Show, we can always look forward to slapping the Ws around.
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Oh good sir those times will be ending. If lockout doesnt chalk things off, wholesale changes coming to Oakland and that will make us all the better. Lacob aint playing around here. Finally some real ball will be played here
May 12th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
I can’t see the league breaking up existing teams roster.
If a team is already over the hard cap when this thing gets implemented, I suppose their will be a fine for teams who operate over it. But they will not be prevented from making dollar for dollar trades. Where is the precedent for that?
May 12th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
WEll Jhill we would worry about it on the Oakland blog but you LA guys wanna bring up your buried Lake show saga again and again
May 12th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
839.Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
And who coaches them…..?
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I am hoping for Rick Adelman. Go from the triangle to the Princeton offense instead of hiring some guy who is going to run nothing but Isolations and pick and rolls.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Jhill, take a look at this:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17156
May 12th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Our worst case scenario is Kobe, Odom, Bynum, and Gasoft returning, lol!
Our WORST!
Trey Johnson, Ebanks, and Caracter will all be in the rotation next year.
Fisher will come off the bench.
W’s have YEARS of slapping around still left to take from the Lake Show.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
GOP Says Less Mine Safety Regulation Make Miners Safer:
West Virginia University: As ThinkProgress reported last year, Koch funds an array of academic programs at West Virginia University, a public university. One Koch-funded academic at WVU, economics professor Russell Sobel, has written a book blasting regulations of all types. He even argues that less mine safety regulations will make coal miners more safe. As the St. Petersburg Times reported, a similar arrangement has been made with WVU as with FSU in accepting at least $480,000 from Koch.
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/11/koch-university-takeover/
May 12th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
I am hoping for Rick Adelman. Go from the triangle to the Princeton offense instead of hiring some guy who is going to run nothing but Isolations and pick and rolls.
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You read that in the SF Chronicle, lol.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Rush Attempts To Explain Why Tax Breaks For Big Oil Do Not Constitute Subsidies
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201105120021
May 12th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Russell Simmons said Snoop Dogg is a LOT less gangster than Sean Hannity….lmfao. The mind of a libtard is so dysfunctional and derelict.
“”Every rapper that’s famous is less gangster, less homophobic, less racist, and less sexist than Sean Hannity. I like him [Hannity], but that’s what I’m saying about the rappers I know,” said Mr. Simmons. “Snoop Dog is less sexist than [Hannity]. Snoop Dog is less racist than him. Snoop Dog is less homophobic than him and Snoop Dog is a lot less gangster than him”
May 12th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
853.KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
I am hoping for Rick Adelman. Go from the triangle to the Princeton offense instead of hiring some guy who is going to run nothing but Isolations and pick and rolls.
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You read that in the SF Chronicle, lol.
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I read that Adelman was a possibility…..but I doubt I read it in the SF Chronicle.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
KK, go chase parked shopping carts @ Safeway.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Jhill you don’t want rick adelman I don’t wnat Rick Adelman for the warriors. Get a young up and comer if you’re smart. I’d take Brian Shaw over Adelman.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
rappers are degenerates that cant sing so they talk instead over poorly produced crappy loops.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
tj isnt it enough your takes on football are comedy, your going after basketball now?
haha
May 12th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
BrownStains
Go put some water out for your cockroaches.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
I don’t think Shaw or Person can handle the job. I don’t want Scott and am very happy to see Clev said he can’t even talk to the Lakers.
Give me Adleman with the Lakers as currently constructed. Shaw or Person if the team was being rebuilt maybe.
Van Gundy? That just doesn’t feel right.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
853.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Our worst case scenario is Kobe, Odom, Bynum, and Gasoft returning, lol!
Our WORST!
Trey Johnson, Ebanks, and Caracter will all be in the rotation next year.
Fisher will come off the bench.
W’s have YEARS of slapping around still left to take from the Lake Show.
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Yeah so can worse case scenario win a title in 2012? Thank you
May 12th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Thats why your boy pres purple lips brought a kunt like Common to the WH on our dime.
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Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
rappers are degenerates that cant sing so they talk instead over poorly produced crappy loops.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
rappers are degenerates that cant sing so they talk instead over poorly produced crappy loops.
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Coming from some Troll who calls himself 666. That’s America.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
864.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
I don’t think Shaw or Person can handle the job. I don’t want Scott and am very happy to see Clev said he can’t even talk to the Lakers.
Give me Adleman with the Lakers as currently constructed. Shaw or Person if the team was being rebuilt maybe.
Van Gundy? That just doesn’t feel right.
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Yeah Rick Adelman has proven up and down the westcoast how much of a championship coach he is
May 12th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
866.MistaBrown Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Thats why your boy pres purple lips brought a kunt like Common to the WH on our dime.
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Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
rappers are degenerates that cant sing so they talk instead over poorly produced crappy loops.
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The mainstream guys are crap for the most part
but there are great guys in hip op that arent about that garbage you mainly hear or see
May 12th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Hooray latent racism! It never gets old.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
KK, take your wife to the barbershop and get him a haircut.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
I want Derrick Williams at any cost and we’ll biuld around him the kid reminds me of Len Bias. Get him and start from there.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Pretty slow news day when all you got is who was invited to the White House…whats next the President was not born in Hawaii….oh yeah we already went through that.
It sure is nice reading all the angry rants about the president rather than being the one writing them as I had to do in 2000-2008.
you should pace your angry rants because you are going to need them for another 5 years!
May 12th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
VIDEO: Bush’s Failed Hunt For Bin Laden
But attributing Bin laden’s death to “vigilance” on Bush’s part is a stretch (to put it kindly) as an analysis and a timeline by ThinkProgress demonstrate. Bush’s missteps included not focusing on Bin Laden prior to 9/11, undermining the search for Bin Laden by abandoning the fight in Tora Bora, and above all, by shifting resources away from a focus on al Qaeda and into the massive folly that was the invasion of Iraq. Watch a ThinkProgress video documenting Bush’s failures:
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/11/video-bush-bin-laden-failure/
May 12th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
“The mainstream guys are crap for the most part
but there are great guys in hip op that arent about that garbage you mainly hear or see”
So true!
May 12th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
872.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
I want Derrick Williams at any cost and we’ll biuld around him the kid reminds me of Len Bias. Get him and start from there.
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Who is we??
May 12th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
866.Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
864.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
I don’t think Shaw or Person can handle the job. I don’t want Scott and am very happy to see Clev said he can’t even talk to the Lakers.
Give me Adleman with the Lakers as currently constructed. Shaw or Person if the team was being rebuilt maybe.
Van Gundy? That just doesn’t feel right.
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Yeah Rick Adelman has proven up and down the westcoast how much of a championship coach he is
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Adelman has had success everywhere he has gone with the exception of Golden State, which is where your animosity arises.
Adelman has come close to titles three times and he has never had a roster as talented as what the Lakers currently have.
Gamble on some new guy like Shaw or Person with a team built to win now? I don’t think so.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
KK the Clown,
It was Bush’s enhanced interrogations that produced the courier that led purp lips to OBL. The same interrogations you and our libtard commander in chief are against.
Idiot.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
I seee the scumsuckin’PIG is in here. Go get in your truck with gunrack and go hunt’n with the rest of redneck crew.
May 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
877.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
866.Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
864.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
I don’t think Shaw or Person can handle the job. I don’t want Scott and am very happy to see Clev said he can’t even talk to the Lakers.
Give me Adleman with the Lakers as currently constructed. Shaw or Person if the team was being rebuilt maybe.
Van Gundy? That just doesn’t feel right.
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Yeah Rick Adelman has proven up and down the westcoast how much of a championship coach he is
++++++++++++++++
Adelman has had success everywhere he has gone with the exception of Golden State, which is where your animosity arises.
Adelman has come close to titles three times and he has never had a roster as talented as what the Lakers currently have.
Gamble on some new guy like Shaw or Person with a team built to win now? I don’t think so.
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Good ole Dakota…….Adelman has had very good teams and blown it each time. I have no animosity at him for the GSW days. Our upper mgmt was a joke.
You think Adelman is gonna tell Kobe what to do? LOL
May 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
“Coming from some Troll who calls himself 666. That’s America.”
This coming from a bitter old man that craps his adult diapers daily from an overdose of metamucil. Do your nurse a favor hit the bedpan this time and stop forgetting to take your meds we can all tell when your psychotic episodes are happening.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Losing to the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, the Jordan/Pippen Bulls and the Thomas lead Pistons is blowing it?
lol
He certainly should have had his Sactown team practice their free throws….
May 12th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Kobe is on the downside of his career he should stfu and be happy he has a gig after (allegedly) raping that airhead.
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Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
You think Adelman is gonna tell Kobe what to do? LOL
May 12th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
BrownStains is a very angry, hostile poster, but, not very well equipped, if you catch my drift.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Shaw would be okay from a continuity standpoint….and if Kobe has his back then he shouldn’t have many problems controlling the team, but he just doesn’t scream leader.
Maybe Jim Clemons would stick around with the young guy?
Kurt Rambis can stay in Minny please.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Adleman????
No thanks!
Not a fan of Shaw getting the job either.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
This coming from a bitter old man that craps his adult diapers daily from an overdose of metamucil.
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Nah, I just schit on you everyday, lol.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
882.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Losing to the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, the Jordan/Pippen Bulls and the Thomas lead Pistons is blowing it?
lol
He certainly should have had his Sactown team practice their free throws….
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Whatever the case may be we saw years of not being able to win the title
May 12th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Your all class KoolKell
May 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
883.MistaBrown Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Kobe is on the downside of his career he should stfu and be happy he has a gig after (allegedly) raping that airhead.
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Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
You think Adelman is gonna tell Kobe what to do? LOL
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Sadly “should” and “will” are two different things to Kobe
May 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
884.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Adleman????
No thanks!
Not a fan of Shaw getting the job either.
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No one will be perfect. Who else is out there? Jerry Sloan? VanGundy? Coach K? Larry friggin Brown?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
886.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Adleman????
No thanks!
Not a fan of Shaw getting the job either.
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You guys are more like that line Bill Paxton said in Alien…..”What are we gonna do now? Were fked, were doomed, game over squid” lol
May 12th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
I’m watching the UCS vs Stanford game. Andrew Luck has to be one of the most talented and tough aggressive QB I’ve ever seen. After his HB fumbled a DB picked up the ball and Luck hit him so hard he knocked him out and knocked the ball loose. I saw him hit a DB at Cal and lay him out and he didn’t break stride. I don’t think Ive ever seen anyone like him.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
No he’s like you, classless.
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Silverandblack666 Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Your all class KoolKell
May 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Unfortunately the future is in Jim Buss’ hands. He was the guiding hand in the hiring of Rudy T…..yikes.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
891.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
884.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Adleman????
No thanks!
Not a fan of Shaw getting the job either.
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No one will be perfect. Who else is out there? Jerry Sloan? VanGundy? Coach K? Larry friggin Brown?
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Dont worry Uncle Jerry West will figure out something for you guys again
May 12th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
893.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
I’m watching the UCS vs Stanford game. Andrew Luck has to be one of the most talented and tough aggressive QB I’ve ever seen. After his HB fumbled a DB picked up the ball and Luck hit him so hard he knocked him out and knocked the ball loose. I saw him hit a DB at Cal and lay him out and he didn’t break stride. I don’t think Ive ever seen anyone like him.
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I dont like Stanford that much since I grew up a Cal fan but I thought dude was good was jump. Him staying an extra year is much better for his overall development as a QB.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
893.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Unfortunately the future is in Jim Buss’ hands. He was the guiding hand in the hiring of Rudy T…..yikes.
=
“What are we gonna do now? Were fked, were doomed, game over squid”
lol
May 12th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
895.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Unfortunately the future is in Jim Buss’ hands. He was the guiding hand in the hiring of Rudy T…..yikes.
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Its over buddy
May 12th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Dakota, what does it matter? Any coach other than Phil is going to be Kobe’s biiaatch, anyway. Might as well be Rudy. It doesn’t matter. The minute Kobe doesn’t like something, he’s going upstairs, and it’s changing.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
BrownStains, you ever find another welders job?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
KK, go pluck the dingleberry’s out of your polyester pj’s before your wife comes home from her haircut appt at the Barbershop.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
BrownStains, for the life of me, I can’t figure out what an unemployed welder has in common with Corporate Republicans?????
May 12th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Kobe’s getting to that age to where he’s a) getting older, and b) doesn’t want to believe it. That means he’s going to want the ball more (even more so than beforehand, if that’s possible..) to prove to himself, if anything, that he still has it. Any Lakers’ stooge coach who doesn’t accommodate that will either learn to accommodate it, or he’ll be gone at the end of the season. Phil is the only coach in the league who has enough pull in L.A. to prevent that.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Laker fans need to understand a few things……in order for the Lakers to be a title contender in 2012 you need a real live athlete at the SF that can score to take some real pressure off Kobe. Also you need to ace Gasol and Bynum because they obviously hate Kobe’s guts and wont play with the dude.
The Lakers need to get young real fast. I say use Bynum to get Howard and use Gasol to get Igoudalia. You can find a decent steady quick young PG and an athletic power forward to rebound. Surrounding Kobe with athletes is your only chance. This current thing is shot
May 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Brien,
For your money which is Bill Paxton’s best role?
1) Soldier on Aliens; or
2) Azzhole brother in Weird Science; or
3) Dead punk at begining of Terminator?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
904.RAIDER Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Kobe’s getting to that age to where he’s a) getting older, and b) doesn’t want to believe it. That means he’s going to want the ball more (even more so than beforehand, if that’s possible..) to prove to himself, if anything, that he still has it. Any Lakers’ stooge coach who doesn’t accommodate that will either learn to accommodate it, or he’ll be gone at the end of the season. Phil is the only coach in the league who has enough pull in L.A. to prevent that.
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Yep the Kobe problem. He cant take it
May 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
MB cleared a whopping 22k last year. …After paying 2k in taxes. Sosialism!!!
May 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
906.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Brien,
For your money which is Bill Paxton’s best role?
1) Soldier on Aliens; or
2) Azzhole brother in Weird Science; or
3) Dead punk at begining of Terminator?
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Neither……The scumbag car salesman in “True Lies”…..but Chet is a close second
May 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Bauce,
I think the Lake show should make a blockbuster trade for A Biedrins, you?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Bust373, a new handle again?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
907.Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
906.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Brien,
For your money which is Bill Paxton’s best role?
1) Soldier on Aliens; or
2) Azzhole brother in Weird Science; or
3) Dead punk at begining of Terminator?
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Neither……The scumbag car salesman in “True Lies”…..but Chet is a close second
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Hmmm, good one. Forgot about that.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Did you know the American Sosialist Party (sp intentional to circumvent moderation) only believes in capping yearly earnings at 200k? How many people are going to make 200k/year, anyway? Now, the Democratic party doesn’t believe in any earning cap at all, and just wants to raise taxes on those who make more than 200k a year. I know the tea baggers aren’t smart enough to grasp that, so it’s to inform everyone else.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
910.MistaBrown Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Bauce,
I think the Lake show should make a blockbuster trade for A Biedrins, you?
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Yeah I do….they can give us Bynum and have monta biedrins and a pick…we draft alec burks to be our SG…..money
May 12th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
893.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Unfortunately the future is in Jim Buss’ hands. He was the guiding hand in the hiring of Rudy T…..yikes.
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And the guy who wouldn’t sign off on the Carmelo deal.
Ugghhh !!!
May 12th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
MB, did you see that old guy who got caught up under the tarp at that baseball game yesterday? Had to crawl his way out of there? could have suffocated to death? Shouldn’t he be retired? Isn’t that a job for younger people? That’s the America Bush left us.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Also you need to ace Gasol and Bynum because they obviously hate Kobe’s guts and wont play with the dude.
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LOL!
Propoganda!
May 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
I am all for higher taxes for people who make 200K or more a year….and a tax code that closes the loopholes on corporations….but there also needs to be cuts in Govt spending. More taxes shouldn’t mean the government can spend more money!
And, unfortunately, there will need to be a means test on social security.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
MB, you’re just figuring out the screen name thing? Raccoon figured out my IP address and probably my identity. He lives right down the street from me. I guess he’s just a nice guy and doesn’t want to do anything. lol
May 12th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Mista…be honest with me bruh….am I off on this Chad Johnson thing? Looking at WR unit is there anyone who can even match Chad’s last 3 seasons(his worse by the way)?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
917.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Also you need to ace Gasol and Bynum because they obviously hate Kobe’s guts and wont play with the dude.
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LOL!
Propoganda!
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Hey Glen Rice told me himself in San Diego that Kobe was a B…H!
He snitches and is selfish. They got thjeir money and titles….life is too short to deal with that nonsense I say
May 12th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Dakota, don’t knock social security until you’re old enough to draw it. It’s easy for some Republican blowhard in his 20s to sit there and say we dont’ need social security. Wait till you grow up and you’re in the real world. You’ll see things aren’t so simple, and you didn’t become that 6 figure earning businessman you were certain you’d be in your idealistic youth.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
You are beyond Hilarious MR…I gotta give ya credit. Never a dull moment lol
May 12th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
919.Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
917.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Also you need to ace Gasol and Bynum because they obviously hate Kobe’s guts and wont play with the dude.
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LOL!
Propoganda!
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Hey Glen Rice told me himself in San Diego that Kobe was a B…H!
He snitches and is selfish. They got thjeir money and titles….life is too short to deal with that nonsense I say
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I know they are denying it, but the rumor was Kobe couldn’t keep his mouth shut and told his wife about Gasol’s cheating ways and then Kobe’s wife told Gasol’s girlfriend.
That plus the Shaq deal…..I don’t know who would want to play with this guy…..too bad he has a no-trade clause.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Bauce You can’t see the ptential of this unit? I mean really You can’t see the prospects of what Ford and these other youngsters might bring?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
924.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
919.Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
917.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Also you need to ace Gasol and Bynum because they obviously hate Kobe’s guts and wont play with the dude.
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LOL!
Propoganda!
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Hey Glen Rice told me himself in San Diego that Kobe was a B…H!
He snitches and is selfish. They got thjeir money and titles….life is too short to deal with that nonsense I say
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I know they are denying it, but the rumor was Kobe couldn’t keep his mouth shut and told his wife about Gasol’s cheating ways and then Kobe’s wife told Gasol’s girlfriend.
That plus the Shaq deal…..I don’t know who would want to play with this guy…..too bad he has a no-trade clause.
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Exactly man…..this guy’s ego is the worse ever
May 12th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
920.RAIDER Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Dakota, don’t knock social security until you’re old enough to draw it. It’s easy for some Republican blowhard in his 20s to sit there and say we dont’ need social security. Wait till you grow up and you’re in the real world. You’ll see things aren’t so simple, and you didn’t become that 6 figure earning businessman you were certain you’d be in your idealistic youth.
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Poor thing….are you too dumb to understand what a means test is? lol
May 12th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Hey Glen Rice told me himself in San Diego that Kobe was a B…H!
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The same Glenn Rice who is run by Mrs. Rice?
LOL!
So what Kobe isn’t a canidate to hang out and slap bones with.
Bynum looked like he was playing hard to me. Looked pretty upset that the defensive rotations were lacking. Now he doesn’t want to play with Kobe? Is that fresh off the presses?
Gasoft is probably ready to head to a less pressure packed setting. He probably is tired of Kobe setting the standard so high as to what should be expected. Send his emotional arsse to Orlando and the Disney group.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
925.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Bauce You can’t see the ptential of this unit? I mean really You can’t see the prospects of what Ford and these other youngsters might bring?
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I see Ford as a dynamic weapon for us as the big play 3rd WR. Murphy is decent but sometimes goofs us bad. DHB sux, I’m over it. Chaz is a broken man. Moore? Well he is a rookie with no training camp maybe not preseason.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Seriously man do you guys hav e any idea how many guys cheat in the NBA? damn near all of them and Kobe waits to snitch on Poa Gasol after going through what he went through…….yeah I’ll believe that when I’m dead.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Dakota, I’m just saying. If the shoe fits. Republicans are always knocking social security, yet the funny thing is most of them who do aren’t old yet. It’s easy for a young person to say they won’t need social security. You’re young. You’re healthy. You can’t picture yourself being old. You’re going to live forever, as far as you’re concerned.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
928.priesttj Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Seriously man do you guys hav e any idea how many guys cheat in the NBA? damn near all of them and Kobe waits to snitch on Poa Gasol after going through what he went through…….yeah I’ll believe that when I’m dead.
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I hope you are right Priest. I don’t think the Lakers could get past it if that rumor was true.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Who said Glen Rice told them Kobe Brian was a B? Had to be Brien. Brien, shut up! All Glen Rice told you was that he wanted unleaded, and his tires cleaned.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
but the rumor was
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Listen to yourself. Too much reality TV nonsense.
So to get this straight, Paula was mad at Kobe because Kobe’s wife told Paula’s girlfriend that she was cheating on her. Paula was so mad at Kobe, that she just went into a shell and refused to play against NO and Dallas? Effing off a chance to 3 peat, send PJ off as a champ, and basically letting down the other guys like Bynum, Odom, Artest, the organization and all?
LMFAO!
You’re putting too much on it.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Why does the government need to raise taxes? They can print as much money as they need and have been doing so since 1913.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
928.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Hey Glen Rice told me himself in San Diego that Kobe was a B…H!
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The same Glenn Rice who is run by Mrs. Rice?
LOL!
So what Kobe isn’t a canidate to hang out and slap bones with.
Bynum looked like he was playing hard to me. Looked pretty upset that the defensive rotations were lacking. Now he doesn’t want to play with Kobe? Is that fresh off the presses?
Gasoft is probably ready to head to a less pressure packed setting. He probably is tired of Kobe setting the standard so high as to what should be expected. Send his emotional arsse to Orlando and the Disney group.
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Rice being ran by his woman is not the point here. He was reffering to him snitching on Shaq.
For Bynum to act the way he did doing the 2nd round is indicating alot my friend. Where there is smoke….there is fire. He isthe big man and should be a priority in the offense. Kobe aint having it.
What high standard is it in snitching on your teammate over some pearl during a title defense? You kidding me right? You think that didnt fk the chemistry up with the team? Without Gasol, Kobe would be viewed as another guy who piggy backed Shaq. Kobe is an ungrateful punk
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Brien, Kobe Bryant would knock you the F out. So would Ice Cube, for that matter.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
929.RAIDER Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Dakota, I’m just saying. If the shoe fits. Republicans are always knocking social security, yet the funny thing is most of them who do aren’t old yet. It’s easy for a young person to say they won’t need social security. You’re young. You’re healthy. You can’t picture yourself being old. You’re going to live forever, as far as you’re concerned.
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My point is that people who have a decent retirement or enough assets to retire comfortably on simply cannot be allowed to continue to collect social security. It isn’t fair that said benefit would be taken away from them since they paid in their entire lives, but it has to happen if we want social security to last.
You are right, social security is an absolute necessity to many people out there, and those who need it should get it. Hence a means test.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Yaaayaaaaay!
May 12th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
I got ya, Dakota. My bad. I was kind of addressing MB, too. Because I know he’s one of these young Republican idiots who thinks he won’t need social security. When MB hits 60, he’s going to be on every government entitlement imaginable.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
932.J Hill Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
but the rumor was
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Listen to yourself. Too much reality TV nonsense.
So to get this straight, Paula was mad at Kobe because Kobe’s wife told Paula’s girlfriend that she was cheating on her. Paula was so mad at Kobe, that she just went into a shell and refused to play against NO and Dallas? Effing off a chance to 3 peat, send PJ off as a champ, and basically letting down the other guys like Bynum, Odom, Artest, the organization and all?
LMFAO!
You’re putting too much on it.
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You are forgetting that Gasol is a Euro…..very fragile emotionally….
May 12th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
933.RAIDER Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Who said Glen Rice told them Kobe Brian was a B? Had to be Brien. Brien, shut up! All Glen Rice told you was that he wanted unleaded, and his tires cleaned.
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Say what you want MR, Glen Rice’s sons would be at the phenom camp in San Diego when my younger cousin would go. Joe Keller’s event at Alliant Univeristy. Why is it so hard to believe athletes are among regular folks?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Brien, Ice Cube’s documentary about the LOS ANGELES RAIDERS was spot on, don’t you think?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
That’s what young WR’s do until they develope once they develope is when they pay off. Murphy struggled badly last year but he has talent and works hard so does DHB Chaz is the only x factor IMO because of injuries. Chad’s last 3 years are better than anything they did. But his next 3 years wont touch theirs.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
937.RAIDER Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Brien, Kobe Bryant would knock you the F out. So would Ice Cube, for that matter.
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LOL I’m Chris Childs height….I think I got a shot with Kobe…..Cube? Naw I wont beat up Daddy Daycare the gangsta
May 12th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
What were you doing in daygo anyway, Brien? You hate so cal, but you’re down there trying to kick it. On their nutz.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
943.RAIDER Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Brien, Ice Cube’s documentary about the LOS ANGELES RAIDERS was spot on, don’t you think?
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It was garbage. He had a guy on there with a Raider jersey who is a known Steeler fan and earlier that year said he never liked the Raiders.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Brien knows that the Raiders will not win another super bowl until they move back to LA. Can’t get any decent free agents to sign with them in Oakland, what with KK bothering them about mortgages at the local supermarket and all….
May 12th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
946.RAIDER Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
What were you doing in daygo anyway, Brien? You hate so cal, but you’re down there trying to kick it. On their nutz.
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Scroll up just a tad
May 12th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
The people who invested in Social Security just have to face the fact that they made a bad investment. It happens.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
948.Dakota Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Brien knows that the Raiders will not win another super bowl until they move back to LA. Can’t get any decent free agents to sign with them in Oakland, what with KK bothering them about mortgages at the local supermarket and all….
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The last part you may have a point but you know like I know and like Amy Trask knows….LA aint even an option
May 12th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
How bout this Dakota, you dont come back on here or dont root for the Raiders until they are in LA again….Deal?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Anyhow….gotta shake…..game is on in an hour
May 12th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
950.Bauce Rules Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
How bout this Dakota, you dont come back on here or dont root for the Raiders until they are in LA again….Deal?
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No deal, but I can’t wait to make that Raider-Lakers-LA Kings trifecta in a couple of years once Mark Davis moves the team back to LA.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
You think that didnt fk the chemistry up with the team? Without Gasol
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So what was the excuse for the team playing bad right before the All Star break? Seemed like the same team that just lost to Dallas.
Bottom line is Paula Gasoft didn’t show up. Not Bynum, but Paula. Same thing that happened in the Boston series the year we got punked. Paula shows up, we win, plain and simple.
Word is out on Gasoft more than ever. Push him around, and he won’t fight through it. Once the playoffs kicked in, and the refs swallowed the whistles, he was done.
No fight or self pride at all.
And you’re telling me that it is all because he was mad at someone? LMFAO! He sure didn’t look upset at all to me.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Anybody read the story where Kobe and Pau were not speaking during the playoffs because Kobe’s wife Vanessa, had “something” to do with Pau and his fiancee breaking up?
May 12th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Chaz being an “X Factor” is what has people talking about guys like Chad Johnson. If he could find a way to shake the injury bug, we might have a decent situation at WR.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
I am the only one that thinks “purple lips” is BEYOND OFFENSIVE?
Go Raiders!
May 12th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
So how does Green Bay get free agents then, Dakota? Is it every pro athletes dream to play in Green Bay, with all of the beaches, palm trees, and celebrities?
May 12th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
We can’t say the president’s name here, Dr. Hunter. But we can say purple lips.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
The Bryants- Champion Homewreckers
May 10, 2011 by natalie
If they can’t have a happy home, then according to rumors they will make sure no one else does either. In 2004, Vanessa made a phone call to Kobe’s then-teammate Karl Malone ‘s wife saying he made inappropriate comments to her. This played a part in his retirement. Shortly after, Kobe spilled the beans on
May 12th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Well, the Adleman to the Lakers story is on ESPN now, lol. “Very Interested”, they say.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Who Is to Blame for Pau’s Breakup…..
May 6, 2011 by jvsports
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Word out of Lakers Land is that Paul Gasol is blaming his relationship troubles with Silvia Lopez Castro on Vanessa Bryant…. This news does not come at a good time as the Lakers try to stave off elimination this weekend in Dallas….
http://www.jvsportspicks.com/vanessa-bryant-rumors/
May 12th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
I am all for freedom of speech but this is the lowest form of human scum and must be dealt with no sympathy.
What’s the deal?
May 12th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
If they can’t have a happy home, then according to rumors they will make sure no one else does either. In 2004, Vanessa made a phone call to Kobe’s then-teammate Karl Malone ‘s wife saying he made inappropriate comments to her. This played a part in his retirement. Shortly after, Kobe spilled the beans on Shaq’s affairs. Then, Vanessa had some words with Pau Gasol’s ex fiance causing her to break up with him, and the Lakers to lose in the playoffs. Kobe, find a way to keep the drama at home.
http://www.jvsportspicks.com/2011/05/10/the-bryants-champion-homewreckers/
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I heard talk there was tension in the locker room, but I assumed it had to do with Artest. ;-(
May 12th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
How can you guys tolerate such filth?
May 12th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Kobe is a snitch.
That’s OLD news.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
We should have him reprogrammed.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
I am the only one that thinks “purple lips” is BEYOND OFFENSIVE?
How can you guys tolerate such filth?
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Ask Jerry McDonald or Jon Becker, management. Notice they don’t post their e-mail address’s here.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
I think we should just find out where he lives and we can sort this misunderstanding in person.
Go Raiders!
May 12th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Dr. Thompson,
You are not the only one that thinks this. Very, very,very inappropriate
May 12th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Absolutely, let’s resort to violence. It is the American way.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
No one said any thing about violence but THIS CANNOT BE TOLERATED.
It’s not the Raider way.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Dr., then why do you want to know where he lives?
May 12th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Cheap thrills.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
MistaBrown Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
KK the Clown,
It was Bush’s enhanced interrogations that produced the courier that led purp lips to OBL. The same interrogations you and our libtard commander in chief are against.
Idiot.
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First of all, if Barry was opposed to torture he would have grown some balls and held the Bush regime responsible for grave, repeated violations of the Geneva Convention, and human rights in general (something America supposedly wants to protect).
Also, John McCain doesn’t seem to agree with you – at least if we are to believe the speech he gave today. Nor does the intelligence community, who has put in countless hours of work that DID NOT involve torturing subjects (but probably involved chasing false leads provided by tortured, illegally detained subjects). Saying “torture led to us catching Osama!” (an outright lie – no factual basis whatsoever) undermines the immeasurable work and sacrifice the military and intelligence agencies put into the search for bin Laden.
It’s incredibly intellectually dishonest to say that the Bush regime tortured some guy, and a mere SEVEN YEARS later we found UBL (in a country everyone knew he was in years ago – because US troops watched him walk across the border after Bush’s military leaders told them to back off and not take him when they had the chance. This happened on two separate occasions.).
May 12th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I just think he needs to be sorted out.
I’m sure in person he could explain how “purple lips” isn’t OFFENSIVE.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, who were you in previous incarnations here. Before you became a Dr?
May 12th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
FIREKIFFIN
May 12th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Ah yes!
May 12th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Dr. Hunter,
If you are going to be offended by “Boobus Americanus” every time you venture into the public domain, you will have a very hard life.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
You know MistaBrown, very angry, not very bright?
May 12th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
All you can really do is laugh at mouth breathers like MB.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
I would allow the government to give me 30% of what I put into Social Security, if they would privatize tomorrow.
They should privatize, grandfather everyone over 50 with the existing system, make it still a mandatory payroll contribution but have B of A, or Wells or Sachs or someone facilitate it just like an IRA.
Give people like myself in their 30’s, a % on the dollar, transfer the burden from the government to the individiual, and give flexibility to the individual on withdrawals.
Problem solved.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
I’m not talking about being offended. I’m talking about NOT TOLERATING IT.
The racist must be SNUFFED out in every tiny instance.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
I would allow the government to give me 30% of what I put into Social Security, if they would privatize tomorrow.
They should privatize, grandfather everyone over 50 with the existing system, make it still a mandatory payroll contribution but have B of A, or Wells or Sachs or someone facilitate it just like an IRA.
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The Corp Bandits would gamble it away and leave it to the Govt to bail everybody out.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Vegas
Did you have anything to do with the Sen John Ensign affair?
Remember that GOP Senator who paid off the husband of the woman he was f’king?
May 12th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
It is all about the VEEDON FLEECE.
Go Raiders!
May 12th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Just Fire Baby,
I can assure you that you will receive 30% or less.
That is the way a “ponzi scheme” usually works.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
The Corp Bandits would gamble it away and leave it to the Govt to bail everybody out.
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Make is self-directed and as simple as your standard 401K plan.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Did I have something to do with Ensign??
Like what, wife-swap, lol.
WTF are you talking about???
May 12th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Same thing
May 12th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
KoolKell,
The “Corp Bandits” are in cahoots with the “Gov. Bandits”.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
I know you’re from Vegas, Republican and a operator……maybe you were the Bagman?
May 12th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Are the corporate bandits raiding your 401K??
Self-directed would be better, better investment options, and you could elect for lump-sum withdrawals and all that.
All that money moving to the private sector and the market would create jobs, and give the market a huge boost.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Twocents Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
KoolKell,
The “Corp Bandits” are in cahoots with the “Gov. Bandits”.
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That’s why we need regulations
May 12th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
I did walk past Ensign at a Mitt Romney event at a Claim Jumpers once.
Real low-rent dude for bagging his campaign managers broad.
She deserves a lot of blame as well.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Are the corporate bandits raiding your 401K??
Self-directed would be better, better investment options, and you could elect for lump-sum withdrawals and all that.
All that money moving to the private sector and the market would create jobs, and give the market a huge boost.
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That’s what Republicans say. But frankly their methods have proven to be failures, HUGE failures.
Find something else, please. Trickle Down Does Not Work, OK?
May 12th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
That’s why we need regulations
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We have regulations, they’re just not enforced because the regulators are appointed by politicians who depend on campaign donations from the very corporations they’re supposed to be regulating.
No one is ever going to prosecute Big Banking for the massive acts of fraud they committed. What they did is already against the law. But it’s more profitable for our politicians to hand them more taxpayer money and then look the other way.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
JFB
What is it about this that you don’t understand?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/calmar/2235223387/
May 12th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
We have regulations, they’re just not enforced because the regulators are appointed by politicians who depend on campaign donations from the very corporations they’re supposed to be regulating.
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Campaign regulations.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Just Fire Baby,
Yes, if we were free to invest our money as we see fit, if we had a sound monetary system, if we had a free market, if we were a free society.
But unfortunatly, we are on the verge of totalitarianism. The government will tell you what you can put into your body, how much water you can use, what car you can drive. Only the ruling elite will be free of government.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Hey KK,
Ever heard of PinnFund or Peregrine funding? The Ponzi Scheme from a few years ago?
May 12th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
can moore really make this team as well gordon ??
May 12th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Campaign regulations.
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Unfortunately, the SC recently decided those aren’t necessary and that corporate political donations are equivalent to individual free speech.
What we need is a revolution. No more two-party nonsense. No more corporatism.
Truthfully, human societies have never fully developed beyond feudalism. I think we can do better.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Peregrine funding sounds familiar.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Dr.Death Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
can moore really make this team as well gordon ??
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Considering there are only two TEs on the roster, Gordon has a decent shot.
No way Moore doesn’t make it on the 53-man roster. He wouldn’t clear waivers.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
KoolKell,
You sound like you understand that government is incompetent, but then you call for more government.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Democracies require an informed citizenry, we aint.
But, it’s up to the Public what they will, or will not stand for.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
I never said “Government is incompetent”. I was in the military, I know better.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Democracies require an informed citizenry, we aint.
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And too many people are perfectly satisfied with that.
After all, education is “elitist”…
May 12th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell,
Well maybe that is because it is the government that is informing us!
May 12th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
BO brought this economy back from the brink Institutional Collapse, brought on by Republican Trickle Down ideologies.
“Govt” per se, is not incompetent.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
KoolKell, how could you have been in the military and not seen the incompetence? Unless you agreed with them that your life was expendible.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Twocents Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell,
Well maybe that is because it is the government that is informing us!
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You’re being informed by Rush Limbaugh, not the Govt. Can you at least understand that?
May 12th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Twocents Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
KoolKell, how could you have been in the military and not seen the incompetence? Unless you agreed with them that your life was expendible.
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Alright, I’m done with you. Too stupid.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
KoolKell,
BO has merely put off the day of reckoning. He has no clue about economics.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
KoolKell,
You are revealing yourself as a member in good standing of “Boobus Americanus”.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Twocents Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell,
Well maybe that is because it is the government that is informing us!
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Sort of. We don’t have competitive academic standards. We take funding away from already-underfunded schools that don’t perform well (schools that would benefit greatly from better, higher-paid teachers, more funding for after-school programs, newer textbooks, better resources). We let too many schools teach fantasy versions of history and science. Our math and foreign language education falls way behind every other civilized country in the world. We rob kids of access to legitimate physical education, and our health education classes are handcuffed by the Puritan neanderthals who raise a stink if you even think about teaching a kid about his or her anatomy.
Combine the above with a for-profit higher education system, and it’s amazing that so many Americans can so much as walk and chew gum at the same time.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
To assume that the government is incompetent is dangerous. They know exactly what they’re doing. Everything they do is to benefit someone – and 99.9% of the time that “someone” is not the American people.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Twocents Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
The people who invested in Social Security just have to face the fact that they made a bad investment. It happens.
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It’s not like we made a choice. If you have a job it’s automatic.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
KoolKell,
Before you go to bed, let me just add. You think that there are only Republicans and Democrats. There are only the two parties of big government. Have you ever entertained the concept of no rulers. Go to sleeper school and contemplate that.
May 12th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
YoungAmerican,
Exacty!
May 12th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
YA, what do you think of the Western Euro Govt’s
May 12th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
8RaiderReign8,
You make it sound like we live in a dictatorship!
May 12th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
We’re not a dictatorship. We just have laws that are difficult to change, for good reason (Social Security isn’t the problem).
May 12th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
KoolKell,
The Western Euro Governments do the same thing we do, they inflate their currency.
May 12th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Im not trying to be snooty, but people without some College, are likely to believe anything, 2cents.
May 12th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
YA, what do you think of the Western Euro Govt’s
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In what sense?
For me, it’s hard to tell without living in it. From an outsider’s perspective, it seems that they have similar pitfalls in terms of essentially being subject to the whim of multinational corporations. A lot of that has to do with our interconnected financial institutions. As far as the UK goes, I’m not a fan of their foreign policy (which is basically “follow the US” – they also have a long, twisted colonial history), but it seems that they’ve taken a step back in recent years. But again, it’s hard to tell without living in it.
I do like the way their political parties are represented in government much better than the way it’s done here, though.
For me, what I would love to see more than anything is a Constitutional amendment that prohibits people with a conflict of interest from running for political office. Having no more corporate lawyers, former lobbyists, ex-bank CEOs in government or in charge of regulatory bodies would go a long way, particularly if elections become publicly funded.
May 12th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Our society is neo-feudalistic. Limited class mobility. The people who are in charge have always been in charge. The elite have turned the middle and lower-class citizens into debt slaves.
May 12th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
I will now return the blog to it’s regular programming.
I do apologize, it is just that the endless crp set me off.
May 12th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Low Information Voter
One who votes based on information gleaned from other low information voters, rumors, viral emails, and FOX “News”.
Low Information Voters are skewing the electorate in favor of the corporatocracy because they don’t have the curiousity or ability to research facts for themselves.
Low Information Voters will vote against labor unions, in spite of the fact that the labor unions are responsible for getting them the 40 hour work week, decent wages, employer provided health insurance, vacations, lunch hours, and breaks, among other things.
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It’s easy for these people to believe any conspiracy, urban myth, wives tales that they’re exposed to.
AM Radio for people who live in the Boonies are especially vulnerable.
May 12th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
I meant economically. But, I think public funded elections would solve a lot.
I just find it too easy to throw up your hands and say, the world is corrupt, and we can’t do anything. Simple-minded.
But, I’m a Bay Area product of the 1960’s.
Peace.
May 12th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
I meant economically. But, I think public funded elections would solve a lot.
I just find it too easy to throw up your hands and say, the world is corrupt, and we can’t do anything. Simple-minded.
But, I’m a Bay Area product of the 1960’s.
Peace.
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Indeed. I DO think the world has a lot of problems, and our government in particular is quite corrupt.
BUT I believe we can do better, and there are many things we can do to remedy the situation we find ourselves in. It wouldn’t be an easy process, but I think it’s worth the effort. The most important thing that people need to realize is that it’s up to us, the people, to do something about it. The government should be working for us, and we can’t let them forget that.
May 12th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
KoolKell,
Gdmit, I really don’t want to go into this , but your comment #1030 is absolutely inane. A low information voter is someone who does’nt use the internet to explore all the opinion that is out there. You just regurgitate the party line and then denigrate those that don’t agree.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Twocents
Seriously, I could find anything in your posts other than conspiracy theories.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
*couldn’t
May 12th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
KoolKell,
What conspiracy theory?
May 12th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Here’s one
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Twocents Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
KoolKell, how could you have been in the military and not seen the incompetence? Unless you agreed with them that your life was expendible.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
KoolKell,
How is that a conspiracy theory? I was in the military also. They told me I was government property and to do what I was told.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
KoolKell,
Come on man, respond. I don’t want to hog this blog all night.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Twocents, I’m done, unless you post something worth responding to.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Fair enough.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
MB, you got me. I’m against torture. The president, on the other hand, isn’t. He set out to get Bin Laden, he got him. I disagree with the president on torture. And not only do I believe that the president could have captured him via diplomacy with so many of the nations Bush angered, and eventually drove into isolation from us, I think it’s likely that he did in fact do that. I’m entitled to that opinion. The End.
May 12th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
Two Cents, at what point do you think low informed voters became a problem in America?
May 12th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Young American, whenever I drive through a rich area I think about that. How many of these people really worked to get where their at? How many of them innovated? Heck, how many of them even did anything? Did they even come up with a barely legal scheme to rip people off? I doubt it, in most cases. You can just get the feeling that they were born into that wealth. Sure, they have to show up to some place with a suit on and go through the motions. Their promise to dad, you know. But I doubt they’ve worked a day in their lives.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Hey Jerry,Hello,Hello?
May 12th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
RAIDER,
“low informed voter” is a phrase that KoolKell introduced as far as I know. I am not a big fan of “Democracy”. I see it as a tyranny of the majority.
My view is that the problem in America is government, at every level, in every instance.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Well for the first time I am actually intrigued by the raiders o-line instead of the usual disgust. We have the most talented depth on the line since the early 2000s.
May 12th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
RAIDER, Have you gone to bed or do you want to talk about this?
May 12th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
I remember last years Titans game the d ends came off the edge without being blocked and JCamp looked Shocked. He was so shocked the he just took a knee the next play. At least with Wiz 2.0 we can get some heart on that line.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Well we’re going to need vets on that line capable of assisting these young boys Oline cohesion is sometimes more important than individuals themselves. I’d rather have both don’t get me wrong but primarily cohesion.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
@1050 True like a vet WR, a vet on the o-line will help, but this has got to be the best O-line depth I’ve seen in oak for a while…it gonna be interesting t see who ends up and what position
May 12th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
The right side is especially interesting. I wonder if BCamp will end up at RG or RT. I like his athleticism and he’s had a year under Huejax. Barksdale looked good at LT at LSU. I wonder if he good enough to compete for LT or RT right away.
May 12th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Well Campbell was one of Mr Davis bone of contention with Cable along with others. So I’m sure he’ll end up whereever Hue see fit. Hue has to get this line fixed something Cable was unable to do. I said 2 years ago if he couldn’t get that done it would be his demise. So Hue IMO needs to make that a priority over everything else.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Over 1,000 POST….WOW!
Jerry, time to put up a new post…make something up.
How about FA’s the Raiders should be looking at after the lockout is over?
Will the Raiders pursue Nnamdi or Huff?
It’s time (3rd year) for DHB to make or break?
Something…anything!!
May 12th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Here’s a lead for you Jerry…
DMC and Ford (couple others) will be in town tomorrow!!
Know anything about that??
May 12th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Twocents Says:
May 12th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
RAIDER,
“low informed voter” is a phrase that KoolKell introduced as far as I know.
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You see what I’m saying?
May 13th, 2011 at 12:11 am
Twocents, when did you realize that government was the problem?
May 13th, 2011 at 6:22 am
Good Morning Nation…
Actually Ray, Ford is already here…DMac, Murphy should be here today…well, according to twitter!
May 13th, 2011 at 6:27 am
GOOD MORNING HWNRDR.HOW’S THINGS ?
May 13th, 2011 at 6:29 am
Good Morning Dirt Lot! Talking to my dad on Wednesday evening, my mom was up, but was just sitting there on the bed. I took that as a good sign. Checking on them tonight! Thanks!
May 13th, 2011 at 6:49 am
R U GOING 2 MAKE IT OVER 2 C THEM ?
May 13th, 2011 at 7:09 am
I will…just getting a few things taken care of, then I’m gone.
May 13th, 2011 at 7:12 am
I just logged on to comment in the thousands series for the first time ever.
No news boring off season. Political blog! I am out dudes.
**Hwnrdr – Don’t know you, but I do believe. Hope you don’t mind, I am praying for your Mom!
May 13th, 2011 at 7:32 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 7:12 am
**Hwnrdr – Don’t know you, but I do believe. Hope you don’t mind, I am praying for your Mom!
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CJ,
Many thanks and Aloha to you and yours! As a member of the Raider Nation, I consider all of you family! And that is what family does! Mahalo!
May 13th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaah
May 13th, 2011 at 8:08 am
MR is so sad. Anyone ever notices how he is on deep into the night doing his troll bit?
May 13th, 2011 at 8:18 am
whats up Bauce
I am only on during the day while at the office killing time so I don’t see the blog at night.
But I wouldn’t doubt he is here 24/7 seeking attention in his otherwise pathetic boring life.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:27 am
MR is usually on mid morning then he is in full force at night…lol
but oh well…
May 13th, 2011 at 8:30 am
priest
i was just going off the lists. i only say derek anderson because he’s basically free and i trust hue with qbs that much. would rather have devlin
salaam is a consideration for depth. i think barksdale/gaither is the key to RT/LT and veldheer on the other side.
this lockout is killing me inside…can we peacefully assemble and get goodell fired please. first the erroneous fines, the rules against celebrations, now kickoffs are ruined and he can’t get the league running. I wish Gene Upshaw were here, he would’ve had goodell eating from his hand and Al Davis laughing
May 13th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Loper was signed to a starters contract. He’s our LG.
We are not going to bring in FA to keep Bruce Campbell or Barksdale on the bench.
A FA will most likely be brought in for depth. And we could always just keep Carlisle.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:04 am
” the rules against celebrations”
What rules? I myself cant stand seeing a player on a team behind by 30 points make a mundane tackle and celebrates as if he won the Super Bowl. It’s the whole “ME” attitude of todays athlete.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:05 am
LOL!
A rookie C
A rookie RT
A first year starter at RG
We are going to run the ball a lot early.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Todays athlete may be bigger faster stronger but they lack in heart, desire and the will to win.
Guys take themselves out of games, get tired, take plays off. You couldn’t drag a guy like Butkus out of a game without a fight. I remember the clip of Steve Young when he was puled by Siefert how upset and angry he was.
Todays athlete is more concerned about commercials, endorsements, and being an icon rather than being on a winning TEAM.
Just my opinion.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:10 am
J Hill
We ranked 2nd in rushing yards last year and also gave up a lot of sacks that tells me that we need some tweaking but not a total overhaul.
i cant imagine how we can be better with 4 new starters or by adding three rookies but I am not a coach or a scout so I am just voicing my opinion.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Add an unproven LG to that list, too. It’ll be interesting. With as many free agents as the Raiders have along the offensive line, (four of allegedly being uninterested in returning for various reasons), a lot of it is out of the Raiders’ control. Jason Campbell is going to have his work cut out for him.
At least by next season, when there’s a full offseason and the Raiders will have a first-round pick (to use on a QB?), the young offensive line will have had a season to go through their growing pains and hopefully gel.
It’ll be interesting to see what Bruce Campbell can do.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:12 am
TB33 and MM34 are your starting safeties
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Agreed with Raider E
Get over it!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:17 am
i cant imagine how we can be better with 4 new starters or by adding three rookies
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It’s going to be interesting to say the least.
The thing is most people wanted the right side replaced. Be it Walker or Carlisle, everyone was calling for one of their heads. And I think we all saw the C position as one that would be addressed with the Veldheer experiment and all.
Not really surprised that those 3 spots will have new faces. I think the monkey wrench to some folks is Gallery leaving. I think if he came back, there wouldn’t be much of an uproar.
But Gallery wasn’t all that great imo. Loper filled in nicely for him and I didn’t even miss Gallery’s false starts and holding penalties.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:19 am
A rookie C
A rookie RT
A first year starter at RG
We are going to run the ball a lot early.
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Early, Late and In-Between if these youngsters can’t pass protect better than the guys that they have replaced! You also have to wonder about DHB, Murphy & Ford. All credited with crucial drops & fumbles last season that added to the struggling pass offense. JCamp isn’t going to look like a starting calibur QB for all 16 games, even if he does manage to stay healthy. It’s up to Hue Jackson to be patient with our best QB and not bench him 3 times like last season, which could have been the difference between wins & losses
approaching 1100 comments?
May 13th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Not really surprised that those 3 spots will have new faces. I think the monkey wrench to some folks is Gallery leaving. I think if he came back, there wouldn’t be much of an uproar
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Gallery was welcome back for $2.5 million. about the same amount we gave Hiram “stiff armed” Eugene for a few special teams tackles
ridiculous!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Buenos dias peoples!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:24 am
“Loper filled in nicely for him and I didn’t even miss Gallery’s false starts and holding penalties.”
He sure did but its yet to be seen how he responds as an everyday starter.
The O-line is the big question mark for us.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Jason Campbell is going to have his work cut out for him.
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No Kidding!
Veldheer-Loper-Satele-Campbell-Barksdale O-Line
DHB-Murphy-Ford-Schilens-Moore-Ausberry WR Corps
Al Saunders 600 page playbook
stay away from Vince Young. that dude might commit suicide by midseason with this supporting cast …
May 13th, 2011 at 9:27 am
NFL players ask for $707M in damages in TV dispute
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The whole mess just needs to go away and let them all feel the real pain hard working Americans go through daily. Greedy f_ucks!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Loper = 2 sacks in 4 starts
Gallery = 2 sacks in 12 starts
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average it out man. Loper for a full season would have allowed 8 sacks
or 6 sacks in 12 games like Big Rob
May 13th, 2011 at 9:27 am
even though it appeared that Gallery exited graciously, I think he pizzed off big Al.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:28 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Jason Campbell is going to have his work cut out for him.
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No Kidding!
Veldheer-Loper-Satele-Campbell-Barksdale O-Line
DHB-Murphy-Ford-Schilens-Moore-Ausberry WR Corps
Al Saunders 600 page playbook
stay away from Vince Young. that dude might commit suicide by midseason with this supporting cast …
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RR, you don’t see Wiz starting?
May 13th, 2011 at 9:28 am
You guys see what Chad John son is getting ready to do? He’s riding a bull……A BULL!!!
THat’s why I don’t want him here he’s a media whore just loves the spotlight at any cost. By halftime of the first game he’ll be tweeting some crap about one of the players. This guy is just full of bull maybe he should be riding one. Everyone else is getting together with teammates trying to do whatever they can to highten comeraderie. He’s riding bulls……damn fool.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:29 am
So when does the PAC12 and NCAA football kickoff?
May 13th, 2011 at 9:29 am
“stay away from Vince Young. that dude might commit suicide by midseason with this supporting cast”
damn thats funny!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:29 am
@twocents
“Democracy=I see it as a tyranny of the majority.”
LMAO-Yeah, cause most Americans participate in the democratic system, i.e. voting. About 50% of eligibale Americans vote in Federal elections in a good year. Compounded by fact that Politicians must rely on special interest groups’ money to get elected, I do not see our system swayed by the interests of the “mob” or tyranny of the majority.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Scouts Inc.’s Matt Williams believes Jacoby Ford is the long-term answer as the Raiders’ No. 2 receiver.
“Pure electricity,” Williamson said. “One of the fastest players in the NFL — and he plays like it in pads. He just runs away from people … But I don’t see him as a No. 1 receiver. He’s a complementary piece — but a good complementary piece.” Ford is expected to stay on kickoff returns this year, and he’s campaigning for return punts as well.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Loper = 2 sacks in 4 starts
Gallery = 2 sacks in 12 starts
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average it out man. Loper for a full season would have allowed 8 sacks
or 6 sacks in 12 games like Big Rob
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I’m sure Gallery had a fair amount of false starts and holding penalties.
Evens them out.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:30 am
what’s up DMAC!?!?
ray, BCZ, Hwnrdr, JFB & Dakota in the house?
BAUCE, CJ Legend, Brown, G123?
I see Jhill, YA, Silver & irjonny doing their thang!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:31 am
you don’t see Wiz starting?
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Sorry bro. I misremembered
May 13th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Sup RRS
May 13th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Scouts Inc.’s Matt Williams believes Jacoby Ford is the long-term answer as the Raiders’ No. 2 receiver.
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Who is #1?
Heyward-Bey. booyah!
Year #3 = Pro Bowler. 16 games like Seattle, baby
May 13th, 2011 at 9:34 am
DHB will ball in 2011.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Whats up Rockstar!
Yup, been here in and out…
May 13th, 2011 at 9:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Scouts Inc.’s Matt Williams believes Jacoby Ford is the long-term answer as the Raiders’ No. 2 receiver.
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Who is #1?
Heyward-Bey. booyah!
Year #3 = Pro Bowler. 16 games like Seattle, baby
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RR, you crack me up bro!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:42 am
If DHB doesn’t establish himself as a #1 WR this season, then I hope they make a trade for a big-time player before the 2012 season.
Use the 1st rounder on Landry Jones (hopefully the season doesn’t fall apart bad enough for Andrew Luck to be in play), or maybe trade down to get QB Ryan Lindley and another piece for the offensive or defensive line.
The Raiders are closer to competing than they have been in years, but losing Asomugha, Huff, Gallery, Walker, Barnes, Henderson and possibly even Carlisle to free agency and not having a training camp for the young guys to establish themselves is going to make it hard to dramatically improve over last season. 8-8 or 9-7 are probably the best case scenarios.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:45 am
average it out man. Loper for a full season would have allowed 8 sacks
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Why is it you think he was given starter’s money?
May 13th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@Rockstar,
Do you think Murphy’s regression last year had anything to do with his injuries, he missed two games last year?
Man, I would be happy if DHB performs next year as low-end #2 receiver. Like to see him line up in the slot and take advantage of some mismatches. Some on here believe/mentioned that his problems are mental/concentration and confidence.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:52 am
I don’t know why so many of you fail to acknowledge DHBs work habits, and the progress he made from year 1 to year 2. Yes, we all know he shouldn’t have been the #7 pick, but that fat OT from Alabama is about to eat his way out of the league and Maulaula isn’t starting either. Yes, we could have done a lot worse at #7.
I still wish we would have taken Alex Mack, lol!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Like I said the other day, I was hoping for a “reach” for Nicks or Harvin over Crabtree. Never even saw the DHB pick coming, although I probably should have.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Like to see him line up in the slot and take advantage of some mismatches.
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Totally agree!
Pretty sure the guy can handle the short slants and crossing routes. Not to mention the occasional reverse.
I don’t think he’ll ever be a reliable deep threat. You know, the balls he has to catch over his shoulder in stride.
Then again, I never thought LeBron could hit 3s consistantly, but he sure is making Paul Pierce whince, lol!
May 13th, 2011 at 9:58 am
I want to see them use DHB on screens more often. Get him an easy catch in space, and let him utilize his burst.
May 13th, 2011 at 9:59 am
You never saw the DHB pick coming?
I saw it so clearly I was litterally mutterting are we really going to pick this guy the entire time we were on the clock. Of course mixed in with some Cmon Al take a C.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:00 am
YoungAmerican Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Like I said the other day, I was hoping for a “reach” for Nicks or Harvin over Crabtree. Never even saw the DHB pick coming, although I probably should have.
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I thought the pick would be Maclin. Don’t know why Al went w/ DHB? Maclin was the ideal Al pick. He has great speed, size, hands, can stretch the field and actually produced in college.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Pretty sure the guy can handle the short slants and crossing routes. Not to mention the occasional reverse.
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Did you watch the last game of the season?
AFter 30 NFL games, he still couldn’t handle a short pass and fumbled the reverse he got.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:12 am
J Hill Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 9:59 am
You never saw the DHB pick coming?
I saw it so clearly I was litterally mutterting are we really going to pick this guy the entire time we were on the clock. Of course mixed in with some Cmon Al take a C.
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I was in denial, I suppose. The fastest receiver in the draft was highly regarded enough to go anywhere within the first 50 picks. I should have realized it would have taken a monumental exercise in self-control on Al’s part to NOT take DHB at #7 overall.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:12 am
J Hill Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 9:52 am
I don’t know why so many of you fail to acknowledge DHBs work habits, and the progress he made from year 1 to year 2
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Citing DHB’s “progress” from year 1 to year 2 is like praising the fat girl for “Slimming down” from 250 to 210.
Guess what, she is still fat.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:16 am
I don’t remember DHB getting his # called after the fumble. U sure about that short pass drop or are you just trying to make you story a little better?
May 13th, 2011 at 10:18 am
I saw the DHB pick coming I was just in denial, I wanted Sedrick Ellis from USC only at #7 it was still a bit high but I still would’ve done it.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Citing DHB’s “progress” from year 1 to year 2 is like praising the fat girl for “Slimming down” from 250 to 210.
Guess what, she is still fat.
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Yeah but come year 3, progressing at the same rate, the fat chick is now down to the 185 range and JFB is fugging her.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Dropping 40 lbs. is huge dude that means you drop 40 more and on and on…. the first 40 is the hardest. DHB is not as bad as people say he is in terms of catching the football. He’ll never be as good as Larry Fitz or someone like that but he’ll be much better.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:21 am
DHB HAD 6 COLLEGE TD HE SUCKS 6 TD IN 4YRS THATS 1.5 TD A YR
May 13th, 2011 at 10:22 am
YoungAmerican Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Like I said the other day, I was hoping for a “reach” for Nicks or Harvin over Crabtree. Never even saw the DHB pick coming, although I probably should have.
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Neither did I. I was sure it would be Crabtree or Maclin. Was pissed when Mayock and Lombardi said it would be DHB and were right about it. Poor JR.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:25 am
I don’t remember DHB getting his # called after the fumble. U sure about that short pass drop or are you just trying to make you story a little better?
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He dropped the short pass on the sideline (good throw from Soup) and being that the fumbled reverse was the first play of the game, it was later in the game.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Poor JR.
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LOL!
Queue JFB ….
May 13th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Most of the posts 831-948 are reasons why this blog has gone to the dogs.Those and ridiculous comments like poor JR.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:28 am
I was one of the few that wanted a WR in that draft, and liked the DHB pick right after the fact (didn’t like Kimbo Mitchell in the 2nd round though).
However, I was under the impression that DHB was an NFL WR.
The WR’s we have drafted since DHB (Murphy and Ford) already are much better and vastly more productive, and I wouldn’t be suprised if Moore caught more(ahem) TD’s than DHB this year.
I think Hue saw enough of DHB and started limiting his reps and plays as the season went along.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:29 am
DHB gets hit hard but I would bet if you wnet over the entire year he probably dropped a total of 8 balls. If that! Like I said his problem is finishing the play not dropping passes Murphy drops more than anyone and no one says anything bout it because he never had the knock on him and the media never jumped all over him for it on national TV. So guys are just hypersensitive about DHB.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Poor JR.
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ACTUALLY poor Al Davis, Tom Cable and Oakland Raider fans.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:32 am
J Hill Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 9:52 am
I don’t know why so many of you fail to acknowledge DHBs work habits, and the progress he made from year 1 to year 2. Yes, we all know he shouldn’t have been the #7 pick, but that fat OT from Alabama is about to eat his way out of the league and Maulaula isn’t starting either. Yes, we could have done a lot worse at #7.
I still wish we would have taken Alex Mack, lol!
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Al’s got to sweep that “no knuckleheads” garbage right out the door with Cable. That’s how you end up with DHB instead of Mike Williams (TB or Seattle).
May 13th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Big Oak Boy did you ever see that team play? he led that team in TD catches no one on that team was worth a damn. The QB’s played like LB’s that was the worse put together team I’ve seen in years. All they did was run run run and dink dink dink. They were horrible.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:33 am
I wouldn’t be mad if DHB turns out to be a Roy Williams type player.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:34 am
No one rips on Murphy as much because he has 3X’s the amount of catches, yards and TD’s as DHB, and has been about 1/4 the investment.
We can handle a few drops if there is some meaningful TD’s behind it.
Two garbage-time TD’s in 2 years is pitiful from a #7 overall pick.
Hell Charles Rogers (all-time NFL bust) only played 15 games (half as many as DHB so far) and he still put 4 TD’s on the board.
Ridiculous!!!
May 13th, 2011 at 10:34 am
DHB gets hit hard but I would bet if you wnet over the entire year he probably dropped a total of 8 balls. If that! Like I said his problem is finishing the play not dropping passes Murphy drops more than anyone and no one says anything bout it because he never had the knock on him and the media never jumped all over him for it on national TV. So guys are just hypersensitive about DHB.
MURPHY ALSO CAUGHT MORE TD THAN DHB EACH YR SO NOW WHAT ONE GUY PRODUCES AND THE OTHER DOSE NOT
May 13th, 2011 at 10:35 am
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Big Oak Boy did you ever see that team play? he led that team in TD catches no one on that team was worth a damn. The QB’s played like LB’s that was the worse put together team I’ve seen in years. All they did was run run run and dink dink dink. They were horrible.
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But Maryland beat my Cal Bears that year and guess who scored a TD?
DHB
May 13th, 2011 at 10:37 am
No one said he was producing man, we’re all upset including management. DHB isn’t walking around beatin’ his chest and wearing jewelry he’s working on his craft that’s the ONLY reason I defend the kid.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:34 am
No one rips on Murphy as much because he has 3X’s the amount of catches, yards and TD’s as DHB, and has been about 1/4 the investment.
We can handle a few drops if there is some meaningful TD’s behind it.
Two garbage-time TD’s in 2 years is pitiful from a #7 overall pick.
Hell Charles Rogers (all-time NFL bust) only played 15 games (half as many as DHB so far) and he still put 4 TD’s on the board.
Ridiculous!!!
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I totally agree.
Look at Jordy Nelson in the SB. Dropped a few passes, but also had huge catches.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Big Oak Boy did you ever see that team play? he led that team in TD catches no one on that team was worth a damn. The QB’s played like LB’s that was the worse put together team I’ve seen in years. All they did was run run run and dink dink dink. They were horrible.
EVEN MORE OF A REASON NOT TO PICK HIM MACKLIN AND CRABTREE WERE IN PASSING O NOT RUN HEAVY O WHERE U BARLEY CATCH THE BALL AT ALL
May 13th, 2011 at 10:39 am
I kknow DMAC i saw the game, that was the game that mad eme rethink the pick. What I saw on that TD catch was not something you do if you can’t catch. He can catch it’s the nuances of the position he’s struggling with.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:39 am
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:37 am
No one said he was producing man, we’re all upset including management. DHB isn’t walking around beatin’ his chest and wearing jewelry he’s working on his craft that’s the ONLY reason I defend the kid.
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I 2nd that.
DHB will turn in into a fine receiver because of his work ethic. Won’t be great, but will produce.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Crabtree IMO is an average NFL rec’r so he’s not even a good example. Now macklin I’ll take him in heartbeat I don’t like Crabtree even now.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:42 am
DeSean Jackson plans to make a recruiting pitch to free agent and fellow Cal alum Nnamdi Asomugha.
“We need him,” Jackson said. “… I’m going to make a call. During the Pro Bowl I was actually telling him, ‘Come on man, you know we need you here.’” Jackson concedes that free agency’s top defensive player will have “a lot of options” with “a lot of money on the table.” The Eagles have been considered a favorite to land Asomugha, but they’ll have competition from the Cowboys and Redskins, among others.
Related: Eagles
Source: Philly Sports Daily
May 13th, 2011 at 10:43 am
I just don’t understand why Al went w/ DHB instead of Maclin. Was it the spread offense?
May 13th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Let me know when DHB makes a cluth, highlight reel grab to win the game like Crabtree did against us.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:44 am
IT WAS A BAD PICK BUT U CANT TEACH GOOD HANDS ITS TO LATE
May 13th, 2011 at 10:44 am
DMAC Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:43 am
I just don’t understand why Al went w/ DHB instead of Maclin.
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It was combine results.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I honestly believe DHB will ultimately be a better rec’r than Crabtree and I’m not just saying that Crabtree is way overrated. JFord makes him look an dhe’s a 4th rnd pick I’d take Murphy over Crabtree.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:46 am
DHB made quite a few clutch,tough catches that kept last second drives alive last year.Your hate for him clouds your vision.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:46 am
It’s not just the combine man it was his proday and the visits here the kid blew them away. You guys are such media suckers whatever they say that’s what happened DHB was a consensus solid 1st rnd pick. He’s the guy they wanted.
DEAL with it!!
May 13th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:44 am
DMAC Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:43 am
I just don’t understand why Al went w/ DHB instead of Maclin.
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It was combine results.
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Does anyone know how many balls DHB caught at the combine, where that machine shoots out darts?
May 13th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Craptree dropped a couple key passes that cost the whiners a game or 2 last year also.Overhyped and overrated.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:48 am
He did make a cluth catch in the 4th quarter of the AZ game and than the PI call as well.
I will give him that. He had a QB forcing the ball down his throat and he somewhat responded.
Other than that, his catches against the Rams were mildly cluth, and the SEA TD was when we were up 20 points.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Murphy has more catches and TDs because he get more passes thrown his way. I’d say DHB would have been the same 2 or 3 drop per game player that Murphy was last year. Throw the guy the ball 5 or 6 times a game already!
May 13th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Lefty12 it more than clouds their vision they’re just bias based on whatever the media says. This kid can catch that isn’t his problem but if you showed film to these guys they’d still say the same thing because they can’t seee past what the media says.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:50 am
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:46 am
It’s not just the combine man it was his proday and the visits here the kid blew them away
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Exactly my point.
Everything not related to pads and opponents on the field.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:51 am
J Hill Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Murphy has more catches and TDs because he get more passes thrown his way.
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Props to Hue and Cabes, as well as Soup, Jamarcus and Bruce for realizing the obvious.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:51 am
The Murphy fumble in the Pitts game still chaps my hide.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:51 am
I know,as the saying goes-they can’t see the forest through the trees.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:52 am
DHB might be sadder than me to see Bruce leave.
He was the only guy dumb enough to throw him the ball all the time, every game.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Jhill that makes too much sense you know these guys can’t handle common sense.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Yeah well he threw it to Murphy just to watch him drop it and cost us games.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:57 am
If DHB wants the ball 5-6 times a game, he has to do something with the first 2-3 times they throw him the ball, or they are going to move on.
This isn’t no-child left behind, it is football.
May 13th, 2011 at 10:57 am
We can all agree that both Murph and DHB are still a work in progress. I wish them both a great upcoming season, if there’s any football.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:01 am
So, it’s safe to say that Al Davis is the best GM in the game when it comes to acquiring “works in progress”. lol
May 13th, 2011 at 11:02 am
OK, let me get this straight, Lefty. Crabtree is a bust because he dropped a couple of key passes. But DHB is a “work in progress”?
May 13th, 2011 at 11:03 am
I’m fine with that JFB …
As long as we apply that to Murphy as well so we can see Moore on the field sooner.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:04 am
“if there’s any football”
Vegas odds say NO football this year!
College football will move to Sunday’s if that happens.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Throw him the ball and see what happens they do it in practice and no one can cover him. They get in a game and he sees the ball in the first drive and then they don’t go to him anymore. A guy with his talent drops or no drops should see the ball 5-6 times a game. They did the same thing with Bowe, Roddy White and all the bigtime rec’rs because they needed them. They drops as many if not more than DHB but they needed them so they threw it to them.
In the SB GB threw the ball to one kid 15 times he dropped about 6 of them but he caught 2 TD’s and they won. You have tyo biuld confidence in a kid not take it from him.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:05 am
DHB did drop a pass very late in the game. Would have been a first down on the left sideline. Nice, accurate pass by JaJason, maybe a split second too late – but an easy catch. Most disturbing part about the drop was that DHB was facing and moving towards JaJason – an easy catch and one that he has made before. About the only type of catch he has made.
JFB’s analogy abt DHB being the 300 lb chick that drops a few pounds is funny stuff, but the reality is DHB actually might have a weight issue. That is to say, he’s gotten TOO thick. Compare his body type of 2010 to his college clips and even his rookie NFL season. He’s noticeably thicker. Definitely bulked up. Might help him get off the line and in blocking but could also hurt his fluidity and top speed.
This could in part be attributable to a natural body change and a young man maturing but I think alot of it is due to extensive weight training.
Same change occurred with Tyvon Branch. Remember how lithe and lean he was his rookie season ? He almost looked thin in the midsection when he was waiting to return a punt with a cast on his arm. He bulked up tremendously the last few years, to the point where he doesn’t look like the same athlete. In Branch’s case the extra bulk was definitely needed to withstand the rigors of 16 games at safety. It slowed him a bit but also added hitting power, and Branch will lay a lick on you.
DHB’s best NFL moment – the PI call he drew late vs. AZ that preceded Jani’s shank (although it should be noted DHB was loafing early in the go route before he turned on the jets).
DHB’s worst moment – The clank job off his hands on a perfectly thrown Grads pass that gets a first down, late in the game and deep in KC territory (and a likely Raider comeback win).
My advice to DHB, less weight training or training designed to minimize adding bulk, and more time catching balls over the shoulder. That and an eye exam and some stick-um.
Of course a better QB wouldn’t hurt DHB either.
JaJason sucks.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:06 am
priest, based on results, based on current stats, if Crabtree is “average”, what is DHB?
May 13th, 2011 at 11:10 am
GB threw the ball to one kid 15 times he dropped about 6 of them but he caught 2 TD’s and they won.
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You see so called top WRs dropping passes week in and week out. DHB is going to drop a couple of passes per game. No one is arguing that. But I think it is not that hard to realize that DHB can catch a 5-10 yd catch pretty consistantly. The biggest adjustment we need to make with DHB is with the playbook. Stop all this clear out, deep route stuff with him. We have a couple other 4.3 guys on the roster who can do that and have a better shot at making those plays down the field. DHB should be a YAC the guy.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:11 am
DHB = Kwame Brown
May 13th, 2011 at 11:12 am
There is no argument about the production of DHB if you’ve been following the discussion you’d know that. My point is DHB is far from a lost cause and I wouldn’t trade DHB for Crabtree even now. I don’t like Crabtree……………period
May 13th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 11:11 am
DHB = Kwame Brown
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Of course, minus (hopefully) the homosexual part
May 13th, 2011 at 11:14 am
J Hill Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 11:10 am
GB threw the ball to one kid 15 times he dropped about 6 of them but he caught 2 TD’s and they won.
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You see so called top WRs dropping passes week in and week out. DHB is going to drop a couple of passes per game. No one is arguing that. But I think it is not that hard to realize that DHB can catch a 5-10 yd catch pretty consistantly. The biggest adjustment we need to make with DHB is with the playbook. Stop all this clear out, deep route stuff with him. We have a couple other 4.3 guys on the roster who can do that and have a better shot at making those plays down the field. DHB should be a YAC the guy.
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Couldn’t of said it, any better J.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Crabtree has great hands I’ll give him that but he is slow as hell and he’s not that big he’s essentially a possesion rec’r that you can get in the 5th rnd of most drafts.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:18 am
and I wouldn’t trade DHB for Crabtree even now.
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I would.
The main reason I didn’t think we needed Crabtree was Chaz. We also have Ford, Murphy, Moore, and Jones to stretch the field which is what DHBs role was intended to be.
Crabtree is that reliable possesion we WR we desperately need right now.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Jhill you can get a guy like Crabtree for damn near a song. Possesion rec’rs are a dime a dozen. You can get one walking the street right now and undrafted freeagent.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:22 am
There is zero doubt in my mind that our passing game would have been significantly better the past couple of years with Crabtree in the lineup instead of DHB. I don’t even think that’s debatable.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:25 am
I would think Crabtree would blend perfectly with Jacoby and Murphy.
But I wouldn’t want Crabs because of his attitude/intangibles. I don’t think things will end very well in SF with that clown.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Priest,
Like you point about DHB, Crabtree was a consensus 1st rd pick talent. Most people thought he was the best WR in the draft. Had he been able to run the 40, and run it in the 4.4 range, he most likely would have been a Raider. To say you could get a guy like that in the 5th rnd or as an undrafted FA is in the same forest through the trees mentality some of the anti DHB guys have.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Let me explain further we just drafted a kid named David Ausberry he’s 6′4″ 240 and he’s a possesion rec’r but he’s faster than Crabtree has great hands and runs good routes. I told the scouts that he may be gettable as an udfa we drafted him for one reason the FA period was not going to happen. So we drafted him instead. I’m telling you if they give this kid a chance he’ll fill that need for us all by himself.
Yeah a 7th rnd pick!!
May 13th, 2011 at 11:28 am
David Ausberry just got the PriestTJ kiss of death.
See you in the arena league Ausberry!!!
May 13th, 2011 at 11:30 am
100 yard dash.
DHB, Ford, Van Dyke.
Who wins ?
May 13th, 2011 at 11:30 am
But I wouldn’t want Crabs because of his attitude/intangibles.
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If dude is producing on the field, I could care less about the off the field stuff. So what he’s a “diva”? So what he hangs with Prime?
May 13th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Darrius Heyward-Bey 6-2 210 lbs.
Michael Crabtree 6-1 214 lbs.
Heyward-Bey career
35 catches 14.0 YPC 2 touchdowns
Crabtree career
103 catches 13.3 YPC 8 touchdowns
Both have played their first two years with crappy teams. They have both started the same amount of games, with Crabtree appearing in one more game than DHB.
Judge for yourself.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I told the scouts
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Really?
Could you elaborate on that?
May 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Jhill I haven’t seen in Crabtree what I thought I’d see he’s just average he should be putting up #’s like 80 catches and 1,000 yards he’s still hurt all the time. and he under performs. Just look at Maclin now there’s a guy who’s living up to his draft status Desean Jackson makes Crabtree look like Crabcrap and he was drafted in the 2nd. Ford drafted in the 4th is better than Crabtree I think this kid we drafted this year in the 5th is better than Crabtree. IMO he’s just not that good…………period
May 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am
J,
The Raiders are too fragile mentally these days to deal with a talented guy with issues, and trying to get the most out of them.
See Randy Moss.
Al is going with these church-going hard-working guys, and we are starting to make progress.
Might as well see where it takes us first before derailing the plan.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Ford wins
May 13th, 2011 at 11:35 am
elaborate?? how! you can read…
May 13th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Maclin is playing with DeSean Jackson so he’s probably seeing a lot more single coverage. Not to mention Mike Vick vs. Alex Smith. I’d venture to say that Crabtree would be putting the same #s if not better playing with Vick and Jackson. I doubt Maclin would be doing much better in SF.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:40 am
ET everyone in this discussion has already awarded that to Crabtree inculdeing myself it’s not debatable. Me myself and I all thre of us don’t like Crabtree I would much rather stick with DHB and his struggles than trade for someone I think is as good as he is going to get.
The stats aside I prefer DHB gte it!!
May 13th, 2011 at 11:40 am
1174.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 11:25 am
I would think Crabtree would blend perfectly with Jacoby and Murphy.
But I wouldn’t want Crabs because of his attitude/intangibles. I don’t think things will end very well in SF with that clown.
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You should have stopped after the 1st sentence. This is the NFL, not a church league.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Can I read???
Stop being so sensitive.
I’m sure you understand what elaborate means. Exactly how did you “tell the scouts”. You’ve implied this before so some of us are just curious how you’ve been communicating with the scouts. Are you in meetings with them, send emails, comment in passing?
You know, elaborate!
May 13th, 2011 at 11:43 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 11:30 am
100 yard dash.
DHB, Ford, Van Dyke.
Who wins ?
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Routt
May 13th, 2011 at 11:43 am
We need a pocession reciever – it seems that most of the Raiders picks are for big break away guys that want TD’s everytime they touch the ball – we need a WR that can catch like Zach Miller. On 3rd downs, sometimes we just need a guy to get to the marker and move the chains. Then once in a while act like we are just going to move the chains and go DEEP!
DHB is struggeling, but I’m not going to give 100% of the problem to him. We’ve had QB problems for a long time now. Everything I read says the kid is a worker and wants to be good. That says a lot to me so I’ll give the benefit of the doubt. If he’s on my team and he’s playing, then I’m routing for him to kick some tail!
May 13th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Priest.
When you say “get it!!!!!!” or “Period!!!!!” does that mean we shouldn’t respond to your posts?
May 13th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Jhill Maclin is legit sir trust me that kid can flat out play. I’d take him over DHB at any time in their careers on the other hand I think DHB is going to get better and I don’t think Crabtree is going to get much better his stats from year to year may be better but he’ll never be whatI consider a great rec’r. I think if DHB gets over his struggles he could be dynamic I mean scary as hell a threat to score every time he touches it. Crabtree will never have that.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:46 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 11:30 am
100 yard dash.
DHB, Ford, Van Dyke.
Who wins ?
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Al davis wins…. who loses ? Us the raider fans…
May 13th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Naw man it’s just my signoff if you will.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Craptree has excellent agility, quickness and hands.
He’s also a primadonna that’s insulted the Raids, made it clear he didn’t want to be drafted by the Raids, then had the audacity to whine that he wasn’t the first WR drafted.
I’d like to see a Raider knock his head off.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:48 am
The Raiders are closer to competing than they have been in years, but losing Asomugha, Huff, Gallery, Walker, Barnes, Henderson and possibly even Carlisle to free agency and not having a training camp for the young guys to establish themselves is going to make it hard to dramatically improve over last season. 8-8 or 9-7 are probably the best case scenarios.
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YA = the voice of reason?
May 13th, 2011 at 11:49 am
100 yard dash.
DHB, Ford, Van Dyke.
Who wins ?
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Al davis wins…. who loses ? Us the raider fans…
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LOL @ LMN. true
speed kills!
May 13th, 2011 at 11:49 am
You guys want a possession receiver, how about Lance Moore? Wouldn’t have to break the bank to sign him.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:49 am
I’ve been saying that since I was a teenager so I say it……..when I mean what I say that’s all.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:51 am
I get it, Priest. You can not like Crabtree, and it’s your right to do so. DHB is obviously a much nicer kid; hard to say if he works harder than Crabtree because most NFL players do work hard and I’ve not heard anything negative about Crabtree’s work ethic.
We’ve needed a reliable possession receiver for awhile now. We needed one when we drafted DHB. Crabtree catches just about everything that comes near him, and he must be getting open somehow because he has averaged over 50 catches in his first two years with a crappy team. By all accounts this should be his breakout year as well.
I’m going with demonstrated ability and production over “this kid could be really good someday because he’s fast, a good kid and he works hard”. Not diminishing your right to like DHB better, but I’m going with Crabtree on this one (just as I did before the draft).
May 13th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Raiderman99 Post#1202 That’s the first thing you’ve said in a loing time that I wholeheartedly agree with.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:54 am
ET At least his team uses him they throw to him 10+ times a game. he should catch at least 50 it should be more like 70+. They throw to that kid evry time they don’t throw to one of their TE’s. He sees half the passes they throw.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I’m assuming they throw it to him because 1) He’s probably open, and 2) He will catch it. That’s the usual criteria for whether or not a QB goes to a particular receiver.
Are you suggesting that DHB gets open as frequently and has hands as good as Crabtree’s?
Again, I’m not bashing your liking DHB. I just like Crabtree better as a guy that’s going to get open and catch the ball when it’s thrown to him. Pretty basic maybe, but that seems to be a pretty important part of the job.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
What many forget when comparing the stats of different players is the teams run totally different systems.The whiners throw the ball more often than we do so any rec. they have will have more receptions than ours.Also,both team utilize their players differently.DHB wasn’t drafted to catch a 100 balls a year,Craptree was,just as Craptree wasn’t drafted to stretch the field but DHB was-different players.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
@Rockstar,
Do you think Murphy’s regression last year had anything to do with his injuries, he missed two games last year?
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Dutch,
Murphy had just as many drops and 2 fumbles his soph year. Started 9 games each season. more catches & yards in 2010, but fewer TD’s & reverses
his avg ypc dropped a little, too.
I’m guessing it had more to do with the “emergence” of DHB & Ford than having Jason Campbell at QB
Zach Miller got worse last year in every category except for TD’s and made his 1st Pro Bowl. weird, huh?
May 13th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
100 yard dash.
DHB, Ford, Van Dyke.
Who wins ?
In pads Ford in shorts Van Dyke
May 13th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
They throw to him for the same reason that any team would throw to their playmaker THEY NEED HIM. For once I’d like to see DHB get half the passes thrown to him Crabtree gets. Just for a 4 game period and if he doesn’t produce VOILA!! we have an answer. WE don’t use this kid enough to know if he drops one he never sees it again. Biuld his confidence show him he’s going to get the ball and see what he does with it. I gaurantee you it’s worth it. Rather than this garbage we’ve been doing it’s the same thing with DMC last year HE GOT THE BALL!!! what a concept.???
May 13th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
how about Lance Moore?
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Lance Moore is just a product of having Drew Brees at QB. He’ll be garbage elsewhere unless he finds a team with a Top 10 NFL QB. He’d be lucky to get a lateral move though imo
He’ll probably go to the highest bidder or the team that offers to make him a #1 or #2 and then when he underacheives he’ll be dumped in 2 years and head for the arena league
May 13th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Ed Tech
We were on the same page back before we drafted DHB. We both wanted Crabtree because he could move the chain. I amde that argument again and again. He had the best hands in the draft and we needed someone to move the chains. I also said that I thought DHb may have the best upside down the road because of his speed and frame he is a big dude. I think Crabs is a better WR right now but I will say I hate the way we use DHB in our scheme. He is not Ford. He is a big due with speed. I still don’t see enough buble screens, reverses,etc. You know those small plays that he can use his speed to get into the rythm of the game. His hands have to get better or nice guy or not he will be bust!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
ET Read Lefty12 post#1211 I concur with so I don’t have to type the same thing.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
The whiners only threw 9 more passes than we did,so I was off there.Figured I’d post that before someone else corrected me.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
The whiners throw the ball more often than we do so any rec. they have will have more receptions than ours
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Lefty,
the Raiders had 490 pass attempts in 2010 (329 by Campbell)
the 49ers had 500 pass attempts in 2010 (342 by Alex Smith)
not a huge difference bro …
May 13th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
The whiners throw the ball more often than we do so any rec. they have will have more receptions than ours.
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They attempted 9 more passes than us last year.
Hardly an amount that will skew stats.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
The whiners only threw 9 more passes than we did,so I was off there.Figured I’d post that before someone else corrected me.
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LOL @ Lefty
I see you counted the pass attempt by McFadden!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Dammit I thought I was on to something, lol!!!!!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Lefty,
49ers threw the ball 500 times last season. Their average yards per completion was 7.2
Raiders threw the ball 491 times last season. Average yards per completion was 7.1
Say what you want about scheme and so forth, we threw the ball just as many times as the Niners and our first round WR caught just over half the balls theirs did.
Priest,
Maybe DHB will get more balls thrown his way next year, but I think comparing a breakout from him to Dmac’s is a stretch. Dmac produced like that in college, and was injured a lot his first two years here. DHB has not shown that type of production anywhere he’s played.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
I see you counted the pass attempt by McFadden!
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If memory serves correctly, that was thrown to DHB against Denver.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
See,I knew it would happen and could have guessed who it would be too.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
lefty12 That is misleading # of passing the stat is # of passes thrown to Crabtree as opposed to DHB that is the stat I want to see we threw a lot of passes I would bet we threw maybe 65-80 passses to DHB while Crabtree saw twice that.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
JCamp: 2387 yards & 13 TD’s.
ASmith: 2370 yards & 14 TD’s.
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yikes!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
All I’mm saying is for my money Crabtree a average rec’r nothiung special. With DHB I have a chance at something special explosive and dynamic I can get Crabtree in the 5th rnd. His #’s aren’t much better than Murphy’s.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
I don’t think Priesttj has ever had an opinion in his adult life, that differed from what he perceived Al Davis’ opinion to be.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Over the last 23 years Al Davis has been wrong 57% of the time, and so has Priesttj.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Reece caught as many balls as Jacoby Ford last year and only 1 less than DHB.
He also matched their combined TD total (3)
Al’s pet project since 2008 will receive a fat contract offer from Oakland once teams are allowed to start negotiating with players
May 13th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Different players,with different skill sets,playing different positions,on different teams,with different QBs.We could use a possession rec. like Craptree,but I agree with Priest that they are much easier to find.Actually,I believe that is what the team had in store for Chaz.Hopefully if they ever play football again,he can stay healthy.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
We could use a possession rec. like Craptree,but I agree with Priest that they are much easier to find.Actually,I believe that is what the team had in store for Chaz.Hopefully if they ever play football again,he can stay healthy.
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Agreed. Unfortunately, possession WR’s that catch a ball over the middle in traffic get hit by LB’s a lot and that doesn’t bode well for a guy who is made of glass and has a dumpoff king at QB
Sign Terrell Owens !!!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Should have thrown Routt and Taiwan into the race too.
Over 100 yards I’d pick DHB as the winner. Think Ford is winning the race after 70 yards, but DHB hits top speed and takes him late.
DHB’s top end speed is truly frightening. Too bad it hasn’t translated into on the field production, yet.
Anyone remember the interception JaMoron threw against the Giants 2 seasons ago ? The Giant DB is returning the pick and DHB is coming up from behind him. DHB doesn’t trip up or tackle the Giant DB from behind. No, he blows past him like he’s standing still and waits for the Giant DB to come to him. Almost comical to see such a complete lack of football instincts – but I swear, that was the fastest I’ve seen a human being run on a football field. The other players looked like they were in slow motion.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
For once I’d like to see DHB get half the passes thrown to him Crabtree gets. Just for a 4 game period and if he doesn’t produce VOILA!!
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4 games????
DHB needs to simply earn that. If he is the best guy in practice, give him a shot at it that Sunday.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Brian Shaw given permission to interview with the Ws.
LMFAO!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I find it ironic that folks are saying that we should be using DHB differently; i.e. on bubble screens and so forth.
Those are the exact same routes and types of plays that Crabtree excelled at in college (as well as catches in the red zone, when everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball), and that he was ripped for in here for “only” doing those things.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Schilens (7th rounder) has only started 14 games in 3 NFL seasons. 5 TD catches
DHB (7th overall) has started 25 games over the past 2 seasons and only has 2 TD grabs …
Puke!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
The Al Davis sycophants are forced to hate Crabtree, to protect that idiotic decision of their master.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
The Al Davis sycophants are forced to hate Crabtree, to protect that idiotic decision of their master.
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Hilarious!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Miami vs Chicago should be fun to watch. might go to 7 games
I think OKC will have a tough time with Dallas though …
Go EAST!!
May 13th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
I find it ironic that folks are saying that we should be using DHB differently; i.e. on bubble screens and so forth.
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Good point.
But again, to Lefty’s point, we had that role in mind for Chaz. The role intended for DHB could not have been filled by Crabtree.
Today, 3 years later, we are simply trying to salvage something outta DHB by suggesting the easier routes. Plan A has been a failure to date.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
I think OKC will have a tough time with Dallas though …
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I’m rolling with Diggler, but Westbrook and Durant might be too much. JKidd won’t be able to stay in front of Westbrook, and Marion can’t guard Durant. We’ll see about Dallas’ bench.
Should both be great series that could each go 7.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
KK and basketball talk=time to go.KK,i know this is something you cannot comprehend,but some people can form opinions without the thought of the old man.Personally,I dislike Craptree because of the uniform he wears,just as I dislike Rivers,Bowe,Brady,and many others due to the uniform they wear.Since I’ve never met any of them,that is the only thing I have to go on.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Personally,I dislike Craptree because of the uniform he wears,
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B.S. Dude’s not even in our conference. You “dislike” Crabtree because he makes Al Davis look stupid every Sunday.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
KK
Do you think that Crabtree is better than Hakim Nicks, Kenny Britt, Jeremy Maclin or Percey Harvin?
May 13th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Actually I dislike him due to the fact you like him because I base all my opinions off of how YOU feel,arsehole.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Another thing KK,I HATE the whiners as much or more than KC,Den.,or SD.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
KK
Do you think that Crabtree is better than Hakim Nicks, Kenny Britt, Jeremy Maclin or Percey Harvin?
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Dunno, but I know he’s better than DHB, as are the rest of those guys.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Brian Shaw is not the veteran HC I was looking for.
Might as well keep Keith Smart if we are going that direction.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Lefty12 Ignore that idiot the only thing on his mind is Al Davis everyone knows that.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
all this talk about Crytree is irrelevant because he didn’t want to play in Oakland and there were three better WR’s taken after him that we should be talking about.
Percy Harvin Jeremy Maclin and Hakeem Nicks all are better WR’s in my opinion.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
See,I knew it would happen and could have guessed who it would be too.
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I’ll take it as a compliment.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I’s take Percy Harvin over DHB Hakeem Nicks as well but especially Maclin. I just don’t think Crabtree is that good………….period
May 13th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Lefty12 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Actually I dislike him due to the fact you like him because I base all my opinions off of how YOU feel,arsehole.
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How silly. Time to start thinking for yourself, old man.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Lefty12 Ignore that idiot the only thing on his mind is Al Davis everyone knows that.
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Who the hell else runs the Raiders?
May 13th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
KK
Do you think that Crabtree is better than Hakim Nicks, Kenny Britt, Jeremy Maclin or Percey Harvin?
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Dunno, but I know he’s better than DHB, as are the rest of those guys.
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Point, I doubt the old man feels stupid for drafting DHB over Crabtree, rather he feels stupid for not drafting any other receiver taken in the first round. Neither DHB or Crabtree have shown themselves worthy to be taken that early by the Raiders (righ now).
It is like saying the old man is feeling stupid for taking Russell over Brady Quinn.
May 13th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
KK You don’t know a thing about me punk, you wantt to start something now I’ll finish it.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Brian Shaw is welcomed back home. We would love to have him coach the Warriors. That means we will finally play real ball. A center and shoot guard will play in Oakland
May 13th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Neither DHB or Crabtree have shown themselves worthy to be taken that early by the Raiders (righ now).
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrabMi00.htm
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That’s a damned lie. Compare the 2 players numbers.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Bauce I’ll take Brian Shaw here tomorrow morning the Lakers are crazy with this Adelman stuff. They got the wrong people running the Lakers these days and it’s going to cost them dearly.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
They gonnja let a young bright coach with a lot of energy get away.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Leftster….I hate 49ers over everything
May 13th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Good bhp….lets officially end the Lakers and let Shaw come home and get the Dubs on track
May 13th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Michael Craptree and DHB both suck
May 13th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Michael Craptree and DHB both suck
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That’s a damned lie.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Neither DHB or Crabtree have shown themselves worthy to be taken that early by the Raiders (righ now).
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrabMi00.htm
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That’s a damned lie. Compare the 2 players numbers.
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What? Are you arguing that Hakim Nicks, Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin and Jeremy Maclin have not outperformed Crabtree and DHB? Are you arguing that these guys should not have been taken before Crabtree or DHB?
How is that a damned lie?
May 13th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Doesn’t even matter if Craptree is a better player or not – He made it public known that he would never want to go to the Raiders, ridiculed the organization as well as laughed when Hey-Bey was picked at the spot instead of him (noted that he was relieved)! That attitude would not go unnoticed and he wouldn’t and shouldn’t be allowed to pull that crap for top dollars in this organization!
A point can be made that the other top recievers should have been the pick, and based on what we have seen so far, naturally one of them should have!
At least Hey-Bey works hard at it, and although the majority of Raidernation doesn’t seem to believe that there is any way he can ever become a great player, there still is an outside chance that he is a late bloomer! Some recievers needs a couple of years to adjust, Rice for one, but when they finally figur it out, they make it count in their third year and forward! Not saying Hey-Bey is one of them, but there is certainly a chance that he could be!
- Now, should he be played ahead of recievers that outperforms him in practice and in games? NO! But he should be allowed to compete for a spot and show if he has developed and learned enough to contribute in a greater manner!
You don’t dump a 1st rd pick before he has been given 3 years to develope, unless you are 100% sure that he will not ever work out! As Hey-Bey works hard at it and showed some glimpses last year, he will and should be given one more year (restructuring of the contract could be discussed though)! Then, if he still doesnt get it, then he can be cut and the Raiders has given him every opportunity to become what they had hoped, and can cut ties without looking back!
May 13th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Doesn’t even matter if Craptree is a better player or not – He made it public known that he would never want to go to the Raiders, ridiculed the organization as well as laughed when Hey-Bey was picked at the spot instead of him (noted that he was relieved)! That attitude would not go unnoticed and he wouldn’t and shouldn’t be allowed to pull that crap for top dollars in this organization!
A point can be made that the other top recievers should have been the pick, and based on what we have seen so far, naturally one of them should have!
At least Hey-Bey works hard at it, and although the majority of Raidernation doesn’t seem to believe that there is any way he can ever become a great player, there still is an outside chance that he is a late bloomer! Some recievers needs a couple of years to adjust, Rice for one, but when they finally figur it out, they make it count in their third year and forward! Not saying Hey-Bey is one of them, but there is certainly a chance that he could be!
- Now, should he be played ahead of recievers that outperforms him in practice and in games? NO! But he should be allowed to compete for a spot and show if he has developed and learned enough to contribute in a greater manner!
You don’t dump a 1st rd pick before he has been given 3 years to develope, unless you are 100% sure that he will not ever work out! As Hey-Bey works hard at it and showed some glimpses last year, he will and should be given one more year (restructuring of the contract could be discussed though)! Then, if he still doesnt get it, then he can be cut and the Raiders has given him every opportunity to become what they had hoped, and can cut ties without looking back!
May 13th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
1231.edward teach Says:
For the record Ed he was not ripped by me!
I liked watching Crabtree’s effort to go up and get the ball and the moves he could make in space. His foot work was awesome. He had great hands and lets be honest the NFL game is more 8-10 yards catching than a whopping 40+ yards a catch game.
Crabtree had great hands man and his second effort could be seen every time he played. They would key on him every game and he would go up and make a big play.
I don’t think he will ever have be a Hines Ward but he kind of reminded me of that type of player.
Chaz was always hurt to say we had that in Chaz was crazy. If he was not hurt but man we knew Chaz was glass and you know you take the best talent in the draft. Especially in the TOP 10.
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May 13th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I find it ironic that folks are saying that we should be using DHB differently; i.e. on bubble screens and so forth.
Those are the exact same routes and types of plays that Crabtree excelled at in college (as well as catches in the red zone, when everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball), and that he was ripped for in here for “only” doing those things.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
“What? Are you arguing that Hakim Nicks, Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin and Jeremy Maclin have not outperformed Crabtree and DHB? Are you arguing that these guys should not have been taken before Crabtree or DHB?
How is that a damned lie?”
I think everyone on this blog would agree with you except the crabby old man who overdosed on metmucil and crapped his adult diapers named KoolKell!!
May 13th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Putting DHB & Crabtree in the same category is a damned lie.
However you want to play the semantics, ok?
May 13th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
That’s right…..I forget Shaw was from the town.
Well…….still would like someone who has manned the sideline at some level before.
Have to do something with this backcourt though.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Harder 2000 – You are 100% right!
Craptree would have been a Raider if he wanted to come here but he was a diva and arrogant as they come. I think he was the better pick but I am glad he is not in our locker room.
I think at the time Craptree was a better pick but I thought DHB had the most upside between the two.
What I really wanted was for us to take another lineman with the first pick and try to move up with our second to take Nicks.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Crabtree was insulted as Hell, that a player the caliber of DHB was drafted ahead of him.
So shoot the guy, ok?
May 13th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
At this point in their careers I would say yes but they all came/come with some downside.
Hakim Nicks – I would loved it if we took him in the second rd.
Kenny Britt – Really Raider like speed verticle but he is trouble. Just got arrested in April for a high speed car chase. Just a matter of time until he is a has been.
Percy Harvin – Has migranes that may shorten his career and he misses a game here and there. He would have most likely clashed with DMCs style and could have slowed his progress. Plus, Ford is a threat down field now.
Maclin – Would have been a nice pick and fit into our scheme. I would rathe rhave Maclin then DHB but I still felt DHBs speed and size at the time could have given him more upside. Ford, lot like Maclin but I can’t argue this pick.
DHBs – Work ethic, peronality, speed, frame makes him a good pick just not a top 10 pick. He was/is a developmental WR that we took to high, but we will see.
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1265.Silverandblack666 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
“What? Are you arguing that Hakim Nicks, Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin and Jeremy Maclin have not outperformed Crabtree and DHB? Are you arguing that these guys should not have been taken before Crabtree or DHB?
How is that a damned lie?”
I think everyone on this blog would agree with you except the crabby old man who overdosed on metmucil and crapped his adult diapers named KoolKell!!
May 13th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@ CJ , Yeah, think most had another wish than Hey-Bey as we had several needs! I had my eye on an Olineman or Raji, but kind of hoped we would trade back to add some picks.. I thought Crap was the best pure reciever, albeit not the typical raiderspeed guy and quite the diva, but had thought we would go with Maclin if we went WR.. Glad we didn’t get Craptree! He has outperformed Hey-Bey so far, but has not been what many (including my self) anticipated, and his diva attitude is so far from what we have been striving for in recent years!
I actually really liked Hey-Bey’s attitude and intangibles, but he was clearly a reach and hasn’t shown the development needed to succeed! I really hope he is a late bloomer although it would seem most probable that he wont make it! He has been bulking, up to 235 lbs, is a speedy and tall reciever – if he can finally get the routes and snatch some balls (if he can get a chemistry with JC), then he would physically be the perfect Raider reciever: Fast, Big, Strong and a good blocker to help in the rungame! I give him his full three years, close my eyes and hope for the best – if it doesnt work out he must restructure or be cut..
May 13th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
New POst
May 13th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Jason Campbell’s success in 2011 — his first season under Hue Jackson — was largely complemented by a dominant running game.
Campbell’s QB rating never dropped below 105.5, reaching as high as 127.9, in games that the Raiders averaged an unsustainable 216.4 rushing yards. He threw eight touchdown passes and no interceptions in those five games. Otherwise, Campbell’s rating was 65.7 with a 5:8 TD-to-INT ratio. The good news is that both Darren McFadden and Michael Bush should return, but the Raiders can’t rely on Campbell to carry their offense. per rotoworld
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