Campbell as a leader must come to pass
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, May 13th, 2011 at 1:31 pm in Oakland Raiders.
It seems much of Raider Nation is pleased Jason Campbell has seized the role of team leader during the lockout.
Campbell said in two interviews he had a playbook and was organizing a workout at an undisclosed date and time along with Richard Seymour. Campbell would run the offense, Seymour the defense.
Jackson, a smooth operator when it comes to player relations, has apparently mended any fences that were in need of repair over Campbell’s benching in favor of Bruce Gradkowski last year in Week 2. It was Jackson who went to coach Tom Cable and requested the change, and considering the influence bestowed on the coordinator by Al Davis, the head coach had little choice but to comply.
It’s a nice bit of sleight of hand in that Cable was viewed as a Bruce Gradkowski guy. That may have been true, but the offense belonged to Jackson and he twice opted to have Gradkowski replace Campbell.
Now Campbell is saying all the right things about Jackson and vice versa, a good sign in that the offensive mind and the quarterback should operate as one. There are no more gray areas. In the brief span on April 29 when the lockout was lifted, go ahead and assume Jackson, in addition to shipping a playbook to Campbell, also made it clear what he expected of his quarterback should there be another shutdown.
Campbell, who has never played in the same system for two straight years, is taking Jackson’s request to be a leader to heart.
When asked about the qualities he looked for in a quarterback before the draft, Jackson thought the two most important attributes were leadership and accuracy _ the ability to complete big passes and keep drives alive.
The offseason without the coaches provides a unique opportunity for Campbell to make strides toward being a leader. As far as being the kind of passer Jackson desires, we won’t know that until training camp and the regular season.
Because here’s the deal with Campbell _ he has yet to demonstrate he can carry the Raiders offense on a day when the running game isn’t going well.
His season passer rating of 84.5 last year was the best since Rich Gannon won MVP at 97.3 in 2002, but achieved largely because of five games in which he had rating ranging from 105.5 to 127.9 during which the Raiders dominated on the ground. Oakland averaged 216.4 yards per game in those five games when Campbell’s efficiency was highest (71 of 111 for 1,114 yards, eight touchdowns, no interceptions for a 121.2 rating).
By contrast, Campbell’s rating was 65.7 (123 of 218 for 1,273 yards, five touchdowns, eight interceptions) outside of those five games when Oakland struggled on the ground and needed to control things through the air.
As much as Jackson is talking up Campbell, the fact remains that at the present time, the quarterback is not under contract past this year. Unless they sign him once the lockout ends as a show of confidence, he’ll likely be playing for that contract this year.
There was considerable buzz the Raiders liked Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Sports Illustrated’s Peter King was in the 49ers’ draft room and reported San Francisco was convinced Oakland would have taken Kaepernick had they not traded up to get him.
Whether the 49ers were correct in their assessment, only the Raiders know for sure. If they were thinking quarterback in the second round, it means they weren’t necessarily sold on Campbell past this year.
The bottom line is Campbell can lead all he wants, but any designs he has on becoming Davis’ next Jim Plunkett will rest with him on occasion carrying the offense with the pass.
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May 13th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Crabtree was insulted as Hell, that a player the caliber of DHB was drafted ahead of him.
So shoot the guy, ok?
May 13th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
1270.CJ Legend 34 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
At this point in their careers I would say yes but they all came/come with some downside.
Hakim Nicks – I would loved it if we took him in the second rd.
Kenny Britt – Really Raider like speed verticle but he is trouble. Just got arrested in April for a high speed car chase. Just a matter of time until he is a has been.
Percy Harvin – Has migranes that may shorten his career and he misses a game here and there. He would have most likely clashed with DMCs style and could have slowed his progress. Plus, Ford is a threat down field now.
Maclin – Would have been a nice pick and fit into our scheme. I would rathe rhave Maclin then DHB but I still felt DHBs speed and size at the time could have given him more upside. Ford, lot like Maclin but I can’t argue this pick.
DHBs – Work ethic, peronality, speed, frame makes him a good pick just not a top 10 pick. He was/is a developmental WR that we took to high, but we will see.
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1265.Silverandblack666 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
“What? Are you arguing that Hakim Nicks, Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin and Jeremy Maclin have not outperformed Crabtree and DHB? Are you arguing that these guys should not have been taken before Crabtree or DHB?
How is that a damned lie?”
I think everyone on this blog would agree with you except the crabby old man who overdosed on metmucil and crapped his adult diapers named KoolKell!!
May 13th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
First again huh KK?
It really pays off to sit your gynormous blubber a$$ in here 18hrs a day, yah?
May 13th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Thanks Jerry!
May 13th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Whether the 49ers were correct in their assessment, only the Raiders know for sure. If they were thinking quarterback in the second round, it means they weren’t necessarily sold on Campbell past this year.
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Not necessarily so Jerr, don’t they need a QB to develop?
May 13th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
He has no choice his career is depending on it.
“Campbell, who has never played in the same system for two straight years, is taking Jackson’s request to be a leader to heart
May 13th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
KK,
When you email Jerry & Becker crying like the whiny b!tch that you are about peoples comments in here, trying to get them banned, do you call him Jerr in those emails?
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KoolKell Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Not necessarily so Jerr, don’t they need a QB to develop?
May 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Jacoby Ford driven to do it all for Oakland
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/27435/jacoby-ford-is-driven-to-do-it-all-for-oakland
May 13th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Valid points McDonald. You can also argue the flip side that maybe JCs solid games helped open up running lanes. It was definitely a season of two different JCs. You could tell really tell early which one showed up.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
“I heard it all,” Ford said this week from California, where is working out. “I was a reverse guy, a screen guy. I was short, I ran horrible routes, I wasn’t polished. I heard every one of them … I think, so far, I’ve proved I can be more than a returner.”
May 13th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
“Campbell can lead all he wants, but any designs he has on becoming Davis’ next Jim Plunkett will rest with him on occasion carrying the offense with the pass.”
Pretty much sums it up if you ask me.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
“I am surprised, but I am also very much a fan of Ford. Pure electricity,” Williamson said. “One of the fastest players in the NFL — and he plays like it in pads. He just runs away from people, but he isn’t only a straight-line guy. He certainly has some wiggle and vision with the ball in his hands. But I don’t see him as a No. 1 receiver. He’s a complementary piece — but a good complementary piece.”
May 13th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Ford is working toward being an Oakland mainstay at receiver and he will join quarterback Jason Campbell in workouts next week on the East Coast.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
It was Jackson who went to coach Tom Cable and requested the change, and considering the influence bestowed on the coordinator by Al Davis, the head coach had little choice but to comply.
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Thank you Jerry!!!
May 13th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
“I just want to do whatever I can to make this team better,” Ford said. “I want to show that what I did as a rookie is just the beginning of my success as a Raider.”
Lol…DHB should take a page outta Ford’s book!
May 13th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
May be true on another team but with this group of lumps we have here, Ford is a no 1 like it or not.
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r8eray Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
“I am surprised, but I am also very much a fan of Ford. Pure electricity,” Williamson said. “One of the fastest players in the NFL — and he plays like it in pads. He just runs away from people, but he isn’t only a straight-line guy. He certainly has some wiggle and vision with the ball in his hands. But I don’t see him as a No. 1 receiver. He’s a complementary piece — but a good complementary piece.”
May 13th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Joe Gibbs was his coach for 3 years, than Jim Zorn for two years, now pretty much Hue Jackson for two years.
I will argue that he has been in 3 systems (still too many for a 7th year) his whole career, not a new one each year.
Did Gibbs really change his offense every year, and did Al Saunders change his offense from one year to the next?
May 13th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@ CJ , Yeah, think most had another wish than Hey-Bey as we had several needs! I had my eye on an Olineman or Raji, but kind of hoped we would trade back to add some picks.. I thought Crap was the best pure reciever, albeit not the typical raiderspeed guy and quite the diva, but had thought we would go with Maclin if we went WR.. Glad we didn’t get Craptree! He has outperformed Hey-Bey so far, but has not been what many (including my self) anticipated, and his diva attitude is so far from what we have been striving for in recent years!
I actually really liked Hey-Bey’s attitude and intangibles, but he was clearly a reach and hasn’t shown the development needed to succeed! I really hope he is a late bloomer although it would seem most probable that he wont make it! He has been bulking, up to 235 lbs, is a speedy and tall reciever – if he can finally get the routes and snatch some balls (if he can get a chemistry with JC), then he would physically be the perfect Raider reciever: Fast, Big, Strong and a good blocker to help in the rungame! I give him his full three years, close my eyes and hope for the best – if it doesnt work out he must restructure or be cut..
May 13th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Nice thread from Jerry.
Took a week, but good read.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
So, Rod Woodson had a private workout with you in Miami, right?
DVD: Yes, sir.
What was that workout like? What kind of stuff did he seem to focus on with you?
DVD: He wanted to see how I was coming out of my breaks. He wanted me to open up my hips and turn to see how fluid my hips were. He wanted to see how I was in my back pedal; see if I was low or high and stuff like that. Just all of the skills it takes to be a cornerback.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/5/13/2168827/oakland-raider-demarcus-van-dyke-rod-woodson
May 13th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Joe Gibbs was his coach for 3 years, than Jim Zorn for two years, now pretty much Hue Jackson for two years.
I will argue that he has been in 3 systems (still too many for a 7th year) his whole career, not a new one each year.
Did Gibbs really change his offense every year, and did Al Saunders change his offense from one year to the next?
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7 years?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm
May 13th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Good Article on Ford. Thanks for posting
May 13th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
By contrast, Campbell’s rating was 65.7 (123 of 218 for 1,273 yards, five touchdowns, eight interceptions) outside of those five games when Oakland struggled on the ground and needed to control things through the air.
Wow, not gonna get it done
May 13th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Next year will be Campbell’s 7th year in the league.
He didn’t play his rookie year, and that does not show with profootballreference
May 13th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
I wonder why Jerr says this will be his first time in the same offense?
May 13th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Kenny Britt – Really Raider like speed verticle but he is trouble. Just got arrested in April for a high speed car chase. Just a matter of time until he is a has been.
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Better to be a “has been” then never was. I’d take Britt over DHB all day long.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
“Campbell, who has never played in the same system for two straight years, is taking Jackson’s request to be a leader to heart.”
What do you suppose Jerr means, JFB?
May 13th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
1273.HairyBush Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Jason Campbell’s success in 2011 — his first season under Hue Jackson — was largely complemented by a dominant running game.
Campbell’s QB rating never dropped below 105.5, reaching as high as 127.9, in games that the Raiders averaged an unsustainable 216.4 rushing yards. He threw eight touchdown passes and no interceptions in those five games. Otherwise, Campbell’s rating was 65.7 with a 5:8 TD-to-INT ratio. The good news is that both Darren McFadden and Michael Bush should return, but the Raiders can’t rely on Campbell to carry their offense. per rotoworld
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duh
May 13th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
“Campbell, who has never played in the same system for two straight years, is taking Jackson’s request to be a leader to heart.”
What do you suppose Jerr means, JFB?
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I believe him to be incorrect.
Either way, next year will be his second year in Hue’s system, so we can stop the nonsense once we play next year.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Two straight years with Al Saunders, which Campbell referenced this week.
Did Al Saunders change his offense from year to year?
May 13th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Someone said that Crabtree is like Hines Ward and that is exactly my point Hines was drafted in the 6th rnd or something like that he’s a try hard player who made himself good took him about 3 years after playing on teams. And that is what I’ve been sayin g about Crabtree I thought he would be twice the player he’s been he just isn’t.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Hines Ward = 3rd round pick
May 13th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Hines Ward = 60 catches, 7 TD’s his second year.
Will DHB catch 7 TD’s his whole career???
May 13th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
“It’s a nice bit of sleight of hand in that Cable was viewed as a Bruce Gradkowski guy. That may have been true, but the offense belonged to Jackson and he twice opted to have Gradkowski replace Campbell.”
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You tell it the way it was Jerry.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
What many forget when comparing the stats of different players is the teams run totally different systems.The whiners throw the ball more often than we do so any rec. they have will have more receptions than ours.Also,both team utilize their players differently.DHB wasn’t drafted to catch a 100 balls a year,Craptree was,just as Craptree wasn’t drafted to stretch the field but DHB was-different players.
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Problem is just that the player to stretch the field is th #2 WR, and you draft a #2 as high as DHB is not smart… furthermore, we have 2 players to stretch the field in Jford and DHB, we only need one… unless we run a 4WR play..
we need players who can make many catches for small yardage so we can move the line.. we need a reciever to co-exist with our run-game…
the way we run the sh!t now, we are 3′n’out on 3 out of 4 times, and that time we actually go anywhere its that deep ball to the stretch player…
we gotta move the chain…
May 13th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
“The bottom line is Campbell can lead all he wants, but any designs he has on becoming Davis’ next Jim Plunkett will rest with him on occasion carrying the offense with the pass.”
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Good article Jerry. Lots of sarcasm.
We should probably lighten up on the Campbell being Plunkett because it was Al who said that not Campbell.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
http://www.necn.com/05/13/11/So-who-won-on-the-Seymour-deal/landing_sports.html?blockID=522072&feedID=3352
For those of you who think that Bill Bellicheat picks Al’s pocket all the time and not the other way around, here’s an article on the Seymour trade from a New England sports writer. From the enemy’s lips . . .
May 13th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
They run 3 wides almost every down nowadays. That’s why they have to have so many DB’s because if you can’t cover the slot you’re going to get killed. A #2 is as good as a#1 in todays world.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Watched a thing on NFLN about HInes Ward.
Steelers line him up in the slot often, and he frequently chips the DE than goes and catches a 7 yard pass.
It was pretty amazing, that type of versatility from one player on the field.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
This is what I would like to see for half a season or until it’s obviously not working or otherwise.
X=Chaz; Y=DHB Z=Ford make them cover Ford in the middle of the field and tackle him one on one with their 3rd DB. A total mismatch….
May 13th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
“There was considerable buzz the Raiders liked Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Sports Illustrated’s Peter King was in the 49ers’ draft room and reported San Francisco was convinced Oakland would have taken Kaepernick had they not traded up to get him.”
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Sure thought Al was going for him but I’m glad he didn’t.
I wanted Al to gamble on Mallet but Al doesn’t gamble so much anymore.
Let’s face it, when it comes to quarterbacks, it’s the year of the reach.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Harder2000 Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@ CJ , Yeah, think most had another wish than Hey-Bey as we had several needs! I had my eye on an Olineman or Raji, but kind of hoped we would trade back to add some picks.. I thought Crap was the best pure reciever, albeit not the typical raiderspeed guy and quite the diva, but had thought we would go with Maclin if we went WR.. Glad we didn’t get Craptree! He has outperformed Hey-Bey so far, but has not been what many (including my self) anticipated, and his diva attitude is so far from what we have been striving for in recent years!
I actually really liked Hey-Bey’s attitude and intangibles, but he was clearly a reach and hasn’t shown the development needed to succeed! I really hope he is a late bloomer although it would seem most probable that he wont make it! He has been bulking, up to 235 lbs, is a speedy and tall reciever – if he can finally get the routes and snatch some balls (if he can get a chemistry with JC), then he would physically be the perfect Raider reciever: Fast, Big, Strong and a good blocker to help in the rungame! I give him his full three years, close my eyes and hope for the best – if it doesnt work out he must restructure or be cut..
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I’ll agree with ya, was hoping for a trade back raji or oher, i was wanting hakim nicks, i thought his huge strong hands would have helped withthe velocity j russ put on the ball.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
This is what I would like to see for half a season or until it’s obviously not working or otherwise.
X=Chaz; Y=DHB Z=Ford make them cover Ford in the middle of the field and tackle him one on one with their 3rd DB. A total mismatch….
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Chaz is out of the equation… he is injured too much, cant depend on him.. Murphy is a way safer bet..
May 13th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Well like I said if it doesn’t work then fine, but that is my preference.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
His season passer rating of 84.5 last year was the best since Rich Gannon won MVP at 97.3 in 2002, but achieved largely because of five games in which he had rating ranging from 105.5 to 127.9 during which the Raiders dominated on the ground. Oakland averaged 216.4 yards per game in those five games when Campbell’s efficiency was highest (71 of 111 for 1,114 yards, eight touchdowns, no interceptions for a 121.2 rating).
By contrast, Campbell’s rating was 65.7 (123 of 218 for 1,273 yards, five touchdowns, eight interceptions) outside of those five games when Oakland struggled on the ground and needed to control things through the air
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this should mention something about, “when the o-line doesn’t get dominated oaklands skill players have demonstrated the ability to more thatn just compete on an nfl level
May 13th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Went out & locked up my two season Tix this year. This is a big deal for me. I was a season ticket holder from 1967 until they left for LA. Remained pissed at them until they returned. Then all that seat license stuff turned me off especially when you can watch on the NFL ticket.
At last I think there’s a new exciting team being developed and I felt it was time to get back into the pool. Got some pretty good seats too. Section 240, under the overhang, row 14, Club seating. Looking forward to a GREAT season & the playoffs!
May 13th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Murphy drops way too many passes for me he’s unreliable people talk about DHB but Murphy has by far the worse hands on the team.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
BHP..
show some stats..
May 13th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Of course jc struggled when the running game was stuffed, the o-line couldnt pass protect!!!!! especially in situations when the defense knew we had to throw. hell even in games when we were runnig well jc still had to run for his life in order to complete passes. It isnt as if he had time to survey and throw and was just off target. the only game I thought he truly struggled was in sf & even that game he was under duress, although perhaps less than in others.
You must also take into account who he was throwing to, not very reliable. In truth the numbers dont tell the whole story.
By the way i highly doubt that it was HU Jack that wanted gradkowski to start vs. miami, by that time Hu jack was fully aware of gradkowski’s short comings.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
There was considerable buzz the Raiders liked Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Sports Illustrated’s Peter King was in the 49ers’ draft room and reported San Francisco was convinced Oakland would have taken Kaepernick had they not traded up to get him.
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The OL got dominated last year? We had the second best running offense and the OL was doing quite well with Satelle improving towards the end of the year.
The OL this year will probably not be as good-unless a miracle strikes.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Those are great seats I used to sit in 241 row2 for about 6 years. You got a great buy…..
May 13th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
45.kvnbntly Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
His season passer rating of 84.5 last year was the best since Rich Gannon won MVP at 97.3 in 2002, but achieved largely because of five games in which he had rating ranging from 105.5 to 127.9 during which the Raiders dominated on the ground. Oakland averaged 216.4 yards per game in those five games when Campbell’s efficiency was highest (71 of 111 for 1,114 yards, eight touchdowns, no interceptions for a 121.2 rating).
By contrast, Campbell’s rating was 65.7 (123 of 218 for 1,273 yards, five touchdowns, eight interceptions) outside of those five games when Oakland struggled on the ground and needed to control things through the air
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this should mention something about, “when the o-line doesn’t get dominated oaklands skill players have demonstrated the ability to more thatn just compete on an nfl level
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The OL got dominated last year? We had the second best running offense and the OL was doing quite well with Satelle improving towards the end of the year.
The OL this year will probably not be as good-unless a miracle strikes.
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That’s what I meant to say.
I got confused from just watching the Giants play the Cubs.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
You go find some stats I aint your research dpet.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
The OL got dominated last year? We had the second best running offense and the OL was doing quite well with Satelle improving towards the end of the year.
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The o-line was terrible. Forgive me for repeating myself but her we go.
The o-line gave up 44 sacks last year, that is tied for 5th worst in the league. You just dont win win this happens for the most part.
The run blocking was sub par. Dmac is a super star that masked the deficiencies of that blockers. 10 of our sixteen games were against teams that gave up at least 100 yards a game!!! Dmac vs weak run defense equals big rushing totals. It does not mean the o-line was any good.
The o-line was a complete joke & one of the main reasons cable was let go.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
49.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Of course jc struggled when the running game was stuffed, the o-line couldnt pass protect!!!!! especially in situations when the defense knew we had to throw. hell even in games when we were runnig well jc still had to run for his life in order to complete passes. It isnt as if he had time to survey and throw and was just off target. the only game I thought he truly struggled was in sf & even that game he was under duress, although perhaps less than in others.
You must also take into account who he was throwing to, not very reliable. In truth the numbers dont tell the whole story.
By the way i highly doubt that it was HU Jack that wanted gradkowski to start vs. miami, by that time Hu jack was fully aware of gradkowski’s short comings.
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You “highly doubt that”?!
I don’t know why since Hue said it himself.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Cable wanted Grads vs Miami he said so before the game, he ran from it after the game.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
I do remember Murphy dropping the ball, but not as much as DHB, and Murphy always come up with the catch in the endzone
May 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
So like we didn’t have the second best running offense?
May 13th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Hey LMN, what are you doing home on a Friday night>
May 13th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
You “highly doubt that”?!
I don’t know why since Hue said it himself.
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I believe Hu Jack only said that to protect cable and the locker room. By taking the heat for switching qb’s and diffusing controversy. I can buy that he asked for the switch in the ram game but after that i dont think so.
Coaches often say things to the media to protect their staff and players from scrutiny. This happens all of the time.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
So like we didn’t have the second best running offense?
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We did but it wasnt because of the o-line, they were garbage
May 13th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
49.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Of course jc struggled when the running game was stuffed, the o-line couldnt pass protect!!!!! especially in situations when the defense knew we had to throw. hell even in games when we were runnig well jc still had to run for his life in order to complete passes. It isnt as if he had time to survey and throw and was just off target. the only game I thought he truly struggled was in sf & even that game he was under duress, although perhaps less than in others.
You must also take into account who he was throwing to, not very reliable. In truth the numbers dont tell the whole story.
By the way i highly doubt that it was HU Jack that wanted gradkowski to start vs. miami, by that time Hu jack was fully aware of gradkowski’s short comings.
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Wow, I guess you and me got all wrong Jerry!
May 13th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
You don’t watch many Raider games then That guy is frustrating to watch I think he cost us the Miami with a drop at the end. Camp threw him a perfect deep ball in the corner of the endzone vs the Steelers and he dropped it and he fumbled in that game. To give them a 21 point lead.
I’d say he gets more balls thrown his way the any rec’r we have so he has good stats but those stats don’t tell the whole story.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Cable wanted Grads vs Miami he said so before the game, he ran from it after the game.
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Priestt,
cable also said he makes the call on who plays and who doesnt. Cable said that in one of his pressers. The reports abotu he and Hu jack fighting were more than likely about the qb flip flopping, the o-line, and play calling. Even davis said HU Jack didnt have the freedom to do what he wanted because he was being torpedoed by Cable
May 13th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Hujack wa strying to keep the peace but IMO Cable was a liar he knew what he did and didn’t hold himself accountable like always wants the players to do. his bu=ig thing about russell was accountability then he runs from it when the heat is on.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Murphy led the team in drops, and was amongst the nfl leaders in the same category. He sucked!!!!!
May 13th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
61.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
So like we didn’t have the second best running offense?
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We did but it wasnt because of the o-line, they were garbage
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We did but it had nothing to do with the OL.
Lol.
Shell and good old highway 63 would be amazed to hear that.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
If Hujack did what he wanted this team wouldn’t have lost 8 games.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
You go find some stats I aint your research dpet.
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then its just a foolish claim, so I interpret it as you try to validate Al picking the wrong guy AGAIN in the first round.. DHB has as good work-ethics as Jammy had talents and but lacking talent as Jammy lacked in work-ethic..
May 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
That’s also foolish reasoning but I don’t expect anything less from you.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
If we just had picked Calvin Johnson in ‘07 and BJ Raji in ‘09.. Man…
May 13th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
BHP..
well its not the first time you were caught in a lie…
May 13th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
61.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
So like we didn’t have the second best running offense?
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We did but it wasnt because of the o-line, they were garbage
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Actually that’s more a case of ROALMFAO!!!
May 13th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Shutup and go root ofr another team you don’t have a clue what’s going on anyway. Why should I explain anything to you?
The stats are there if you want to see them look them up or shutup.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
BHP…
then show’em..
May 13th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
61.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
So like we didn’t have the second best running offense?
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We did but it wasnt because of the o-line, they were garbage
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We did but it had nothing to do with the OL.
Lol.
Shell and good old highway 63 would be amazed to hear that.
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Acknowledge these facts, & stop trying to make my statement into something that it isnt.
1.) 10 out of 16 games against opponenets that give up more than 100 ypg on the ground.
2.) our speed caused teams to play a 2 deep zone a lot. This opened up running lanes, especially after ford became a legit deep threat.
3.) Dmac made a lot of people miss at the line and in the back field, again making the o-line look good.
For the record great backs produce behind bad lines. Ask barry sanders. walter paytons first few years were behind terrible lines and he got it done as well.
Sorry but our line sucked the big one and was one of the worst in the nfl
May 13th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Hey, I’m not making something out of nothing.
You’re the guy( I think) who is saying that the OL last year had nothing to do with us being the number two running offense.
Like I said, Shell and the great Upshaw would be amazed to hear that not to mention Wiz#1 and even Wiz #2.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Vegas, you watch the Giant game?
May 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Raiders were 5th worst in the league in sacks allowed, but 19th in the league in QB hits allowed.
Basically, more so than any other team, when protection breaks down we give up a sack. Our QB’s also fumble at a much higher rate than other teams QB’s.
That is on Soup and Bruce.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
1.) 10 out of 16 games against opponenets that give up more than 100 ypg on the ground.
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Only 6 teams in the entire league gave up less than 100 yards per game last year. (SD, CH, Pitt, NYJ, Balt,49ers)
We only played 3 games against them (SD2, Pitt)
Your stats, as usual, are made up and completely bogus.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Hey, I’m not making something out of nothing.
You’re the guy( I think) who is saying that the OL last year had nothing to do with us being the number two running offense.
Like I said, Shell and the great Upshaw would be amazed to hear that not to mention Wiz#1 and even Wiz #2.
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Im not going to repeat it, your refusal to address the points I have raised tells me you dont have any legit rebuttals for them.
Most of the time you will find a strong line in front of great running games but there are plenty of exceptions to that. backs that produced great numbers behind bad o-lines at different times of thier careers.
sanders, payton, simpson, dickerson, campbell, dmac
There are many other examples, but here is a good place to start. No every great running total cannot be attributed to good line play.
got anything else?
May 13th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Raiders were 5th worst in the league in sacks allowed, but 19th in the league in QB hits allowed.
Basically, more so than any other team, when protection breaks down we give up a sack. Our QB’s also fumble at a much higher rate than other teams QB’s.
That is on Soup and Bruce.
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QB hits would be lower than some because we have mobile qbs
May 13th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Both OL and QB have been weaknesses for this Raiders team over the past eight years. Both need to be upgraded. OL needs to come first, then QB. If the last two drafts pan out, then whoever is going to be taking the snaps in 2012 is going to have a much easier time.
If it’s JC because he finally put together a season where he plays consistent football over 16 games, then great. It could very well be a highly-drafted rookie like Landry Jones or Ryan Lindley. But either way, the Raiders are going to need enough talent up front to give the guy time to throw.
Having a legitimate compliment to Jacoby Ford wouldn’t hurt, either.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Anyone who says our O-line was one of the worst in the NFL didn’t watch any of our division games.
We completely humilated all 3 of our divison opponents at the LOS in their house.
Veldheer was widely panned as a great rookie LT. Gallery is going to get probably the highest contract of any FA guard. Satele was praised by Jerry, and one of the best in the league on screens. Walker is considered a great run-blocker, and Carlisle is one of the least penalized lineman in the league.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 the Supavillian:
You rely too much on statistics.
You’re the same guy who tried to compare Snake with Campbell and suggested that he had a good chance to be better than Snake.
If statistics are so great then Marino must have won about four Superbowls.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Bruce took a lot of hits unnecessarily and so did Camp. Every sack is not a malfunction of the Oline some are on the QB some are on HB or TE or RB. I would venture a guess that at least 10-5 of those sacks were of that ilk. Blitz pickup is a huge part of passpro. And we at times were poor in that area.
So if you look at the running game success and factor in blitz pickup failure we were somewhere in the middle of the pack concerning Oline. Our biggest problem was at the OT positions primarily LT Veldheer gave up 8 sacks the RT probably gave up 5 -8 if you factor in those #’s the interior gave 15-20 sacks. Either way it was way too much when you consider the better teams will give up between 15-20 all totalled.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Those are great seats I used to sit in 241 row2 for about 6 years. You got a great buy…..
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Good News. Thanks for the feedback.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
@Just Fire Baby
Think we get a comp pick for Gallery next year?
3rd for Aso
4th or 5h for Huff
and Gallery, how many picks can one get?
May 13th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
There’s no doubt that Grad took a lot of hits unnecessarily but it seems to me that Campbell took some because he holds on to the ball too long and takes too long to make up his his mind.
When Hue wanted Campbell out he did the right thing.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
They need to get this season on board so I can score and plan my travel to the Bills game week 2.
Cooperstown on Friday, Niagara Falls saturday, Raider victory on Sunday.
Can’t wait!!
May 13th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Dutch,
Bob will get one round worse than Huff.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I’ll be in Shanghai 9/27, Bejing 10/4
May 13th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
1.) 10 out of 16 games against opponenets that give up more than 100 ypg on the ground.
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Only 6 teams in the entire league gave up less than 100 yards per game last year. (SD, CH, Pitt, NYJ, Balt,49ers)
We only played 3 games against them (SD2, Pitt)
Your stats, as usual, are made up and completely bogus.
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JFB eat this,
rush yards against
Denver 154, tenn 115, indi 127, jax 121, stl 113, sea 118, az 145, hou 109 kc 110
Actually we played denver and kc twice, its worst than i thought! 11 out of 16 games against teams that give up at least 100 ypg on the ground.
Dont we worry we have some lovely consolation prizes for you in the back. Thanks for playing
May 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
KK’s going to Shanghai? Some one should alert Interpol.
May 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
either.
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Anyone who says our O-line was one of the worst in the NFL didn’t watch any of our division games.
We completely humilated all 3 of our divison opponents at the LOS in their house.
Veldheer was widely panned as a great rookie LT. Gallery is going to get probably the highest contract of any FA guard. Satele was praised by Jerry, and one of the best in the league on screens. Walker is considered a great run-blocker, and Carlisle is one of the least penalized lineman in the league.
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The offensive line struggled against the Texans, 49ers, Steelers, Dolphins and Colts.
The Broncos and Chargers struggled to put pressure on the QB and stop the run all season long.
The Raiders offensive line averaged 3 ypc off the right side of the line.
Run-blocking is only one aspect of offensive line play, and even then the Raiders didn’t do it consistently.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Bruce took a lot of hits unnecessarily and so did Camp. Every sack is not a malfunction of the Oline some are on the QB some are on HB or TE or RB. I would venture a guess that at least 10-5 of those sacks were of that ilk. Blitz pickup is a huge part of passpro. And we at times were poor in that area.
So if you look at the running game success and factor in blitz pickup failure we were somewhere in the middle of the pack concerning Oline. Our biggest problem was at the OT positions primarily LT Veldheer gave up 8 sacks the RT probably gave up 5 -8 if you factor in those #’s the interior gave 15-20 sacks. Either way it was way too much when you consider the better teams will give up between 15-20 all totalled.
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nto trying to start a pissen match i was just saying how soincidental is it that campbells best game also happened to be games that the o-line excelled in, and like mystic said dmc broke some of those runs wiht his own ablilty. and yes the state of our line does concern me. satele did do a great job towards the end of the year on traps and getting down feild, all the more reason taht wisnewski is a good pick, he could be gallerys replacement
bottom line is i hope the last two years additions can take some positions
a good example of what an o-line can do is what thomas jones did when he went from chicago to nyj, tahts waht a dominate o-line can do
May 13th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
i don’t think anyone would call our OLine great but I also don’t think it was the worst in the NFL either. We could use some help and we got it also depth and we got it. So let’s see where we are after FA. then let’s argue about it.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Actually we played denver and kc twice, its worst than i thought! 11 out of 16 games against teams that give up at least 100 ypg on the ground.
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Actually it is 13 of 16, which I know further backs your point, but also shows your inability to count past 10 apparently.
You can take your shoes off if you need to.
Again, only 6 teams in the NFL gave up less than 100 yards a game. We played Pitt and SD twice.
The NFL average per team in rushing defense? 109 yards a game by my calculation.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
The Broncos and Chargers struggled to put pressure on the QB and stop the run all season long.
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Chargers top 5 rushing defense last year.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
JFB the majority of the league gives up at least 100 YPG so to take as a measuring stick means nothing.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
and priest is also right in saying a food share were do to poor blitz pickups, a situation that should only improve with time as most the players responsible for pickng up blitz’s should improve.
z miller comes to mind on atlest two occasions
May 13th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Vince Young?
If no one signs him…
Kinda like Michael Vick signing with the Eagles after his release? Let him sit and get his head together…
Bad News: “He’s a San Francisco 49ers fan…”
Good News: “and his father loves the Oakland Raiders”
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/38229/should-the-seahawks-consider-vince-young
May 13th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
This is what I would like to see for half a season or until it’s obviously not working or otherwise.
X=Chaz; Y=DHB Z=Ford make them cover Ford in the middle of the field and tackle him one on one with their 3rd DB. A total mismatch….
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so you want DHB in the slot and ford as the primary. I assume you mixed up your letters priest, just calling you out… and i’m totally joking so don’t get all huffy.
Joking aside i totally agree that Z=Chaz X=DHB Y=Ford is a great matchup problem.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
The Broncos and Chargers struggled to put pressure on the QB and stop the run all season long.
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Chargers top 5 rushing defense last year.
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not agianst the bush man
May 13th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Chargers top 5 rushing defense last year.
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And the Raiders’ #2 passing defense gave up 30 TDs through the air.
According to Kevin Acee:
“While they allowed just 93.8 rushing yards per game, fourth-lowest in the league, the Chargers also played six of the eight worst rushing teams in the league and were run over for 251 yards by the Oakland Raiders in December.
The Raiders finished 2010 as the league’s No. 2 rushing team, behind only the Kansas City Chiefs. Both are in the AFC West with the Chargers, meaning they comprise four of the Chargers’ games each season.”
May 13th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Maybe I’m wrong with DHB and Ford but I want Chaz to play the X I may hav emixed up Ford and DHB.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
If Wisniewski is as intelligent of a player as he’s purported to be, he’ll immediately pay dividends in pass protection by improving the ability of the entire line to pick up blitzes. That’s what Satele struggled most with over the last two seasons.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Which ever letter is the slot is what I want Ford to play and DHB split end.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
If Wisniewski is as intelligent of a player as he’s purported to be, he’ll immediately pay dividends in pass protection by improving the ability of the entire line to pick up blitzes. That’s what Satele struggled most with over the last two seasons.
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on spot with that comment, sampson was replaced for that his first year. he is quick on his feet though i believe he was top five in the 20 at his combine not strong in the bench though. intriging pieces we have this year to build with though.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Anyone heard the new Beastie Boys? Their best stuff since License To Ill, imo.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
I think going into the season DHB Chaz(if healthy) and Ford present tremendous difficulty for a defense you have every degree of the WR spectrum Big Physical posession rec Quick agile small great hands rec. and the guy to lift the top off the defense rec. it puts tremendous pressure on the secondary forces man defense in most cases and forces the the 3rd DB to cover Ford. That is a matchup we should win the vast majority of the time.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
wit rod wood signing seems like there might be a glimmer of hope 2 sign 21 i remember a total acess interview where 21 gave mad props 2 rod teaching him some stuff in his rookie season
May 13th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
JFB the majority of the league gives up at least 100 YPG so to take as a measuring stick means nothing.
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It means that we posted inflated rush totals in a league full of mediocre rush defenses. You can’t point to our rushing numbers as evidence of a “good” o-line. They were ok run blocking & down right terrible in pass protection. Thank god Hu Jack & Davis addressed it on the draft.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Yeah I hope so Nnamdi owes us at least a year helpinh to make sure the cupboard aint bare.
May 13th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Heaven help opposing defenses if Denarius Moore picks up the offense before opening day; Ford, DHB, Schilens, Murphy and Moore = Deadly!
May 13th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Throw in Taiwan Jones in different packages….unbelievable!!!
May 13th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Mistic1 actually if you have a run defense that allows between 100-110 YPG that is pretty good It’s when you give up 130+ that’s when it’s not very good. If you have a #2 rush offense or you run for more than 150+ ypg you have a damn good run game. It’s very hard to run for those types of totals with a bad line. We were up around 165 per game that is great to outstanding based on the competition in this league. It’s hard to do that in a single game let alone average it.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
I’d have to agree NEI this run game ranks amonst the best in history IMO I haven’t looked over the history of the league but I remember when we had Bo and Marcus I would put this run game next to that one. DMC was lethal last year and Bush though under used was a beast. Put TJ in the mix and you have a 1 2 3 RB rotation that is second to none in the history of the league. That kid is so freakin explosive on the second level, he’s like watching Ford get loose.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
I’d have to agree NEI this run game ranks amonst the best in history IMO I haven’t looked over the history of the league but I remember when we had Bo and Marcus I would put this run game next to that one.
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What a Clown, geez.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
I would put TJ and Ford as 4th rnd picks in back to back years as the two most outstanding 4th rndrs the Raiders have ever had. And TJ hasn’t even played a down but when you look at Ford this kid hasn’t even scratched the surface and I gaurantee you our division opponents are scared to death about him. Starting with what he did to KC.
If we get to the SB again with those two they will be very instrumental in us getting there and winning it. That’s what speed and ability does. Win bigtime games.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Hey KK if you disagre man disagree your name calling brotha pisses me off. I say what i wnat to say you say what you want to say and leave it at that.
You project your hatred for Al Davis onto everyone man and it’s going to bite you in the arse. Now back the hell off me.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
31.priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Someone said that Crabtree is like Hines Ward and that is exactly my point Hines was drafted in the 6th rnd or something like that he’s a try hard player who made himself good took him about 3 years after playing on teams. And that is what I’ve been sayin g about Crabtree I thought he would be twice the player he’s been he just isn’t.
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That is just plain bs, Priest, and you know it. Michael Crabtree broke every freshman receiving record the NCAA keeps, and despite being blanketed by double and triple coverage, managed to nearly duplicate those numbers as a sophomore. He scored more touchdowns than some teams did, and that was with the full knowledge of the teams he faced that he was getting the ball in the red zone. He was the consensus top WR coming out of college that happened to go to a bad team with quarterback issues. He’s not a “try-hard player who made himself look good after 3 years in the league.” Justify all you want that you like DHB better, but please don’t resort to out and out distortion when you do it.
Also, Hines Ward is going to be in the Hall of Fame. Just thought I’d point that out.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
I know he’s going to the HOF that’s why I said what I said ET but Hines isn’t and never has been what I call a great rec’r he’s very productive as are most posession rec’rs and i think the world of Hines Ward’s toughness Crabtree is a lot like him to me. Crabtree if he played 15 years with 50 catches is 750 for a career that is a great career he’ll probably catch 1,000 again great career he just doesn’t scare anybody. No WOW factor just a good average player. I didn’t say he was bad I said I didn’t LIKE HIM…..period
May 13th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
I’m confused by your response, Priest. Crabtree reminds you of a future Hall of Famer but you don’t like him?
Maybe I’m confusing the personal “don’t like” with the “I don’t like him as a player” ?
May 13th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
ET if you knew the WR’s that put up huge #’s in college and were drafted in the late rnds it would blow your mind. In this years 2011 draft there were rec’s #’s that dwarfed Crabtree’s they barely got drafted. Salas from Hawaii had 123 receptions well over 1,000 yard an dhe went in the 6th rnd I think.
#’s are #’s it’s NFL ability that they look for.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Yeah maybe ET I’ve never said he can’t play, i said he’s not my cup of tea as a player he can play. he’s nowhere near what I thought he would be coming out. I thought he was bigger and faster he slow and not big. I thought he had great Yac ability he doesn’t he’s catch and fall down player. yes he’ll catch a ton of check down short passes and pick up another 5 yards.
If DHB catches the same # of passes he’ll score twice the # of TD’s I gaurantee you.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
just for the record..
Hines Ward was drafted in the 3rd round, with pick #93.. he have been in the pro bowls 4 times, and won the SB 2 times..
he does everything Welker does, PLUS being a deep threat..
May 13th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
If DHB catches the same # of passes he’ll score twice the # of TD’s I gaurantee you.
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exactly… problem is DHB can maybe catch a cold, but not the damn ball..
May 13th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
And you could have a thought if you had a brain.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
we need a player like welker or hines, not a more of these DHB’s and Jford’s
need WRs that are more like Zmiller.. then your speedsters will be better suited to make the big play, if you stress the defenders underneath…
May 13th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
BHP..
well you shouldnt talk about brain should you, because all you say is what the you’ve heard herrera say..
you never showed an independent thought..
May 13th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Priest,
None of those high numbers WRs that you speak of were considered to be at the top of their class come draft time, like Crabtree was. Obviously the pro scouts looked at more than just his numbers when he was evaluated, or he wouldn’t have been ranked as highly as he was coming out.
As far as the “not big” comment, he’s an inch shorter and 12 pounds heavier than the kid you consider to be a physical specimen.
Slow? I can show you many fast guys that can’t catch the ball, get open, or both. The Raiders’ past is littered with them, so we don’t even need to look at the rest of the league to validate how overrated speed is sometimes. Show me a “slow” receiver that starts in the NFL and I’ll show you a guy that consistently gets open and catches the ball. Don’t get me wrong, speed is important, but when you have a reliable guy that can catch the ball in traffic and in the red zone you don’t necessarily discard him because he doesn’t run a 4.25 forty. The big play is great and every team needs players that can score from anywhere. My point is that the Raiders have needed the other guy for awhile now, we passed on it and I don’t think we should have.
We had Cliff Branch, but we also had a guy named Biletnikoff. He wasn’t very fast, either, but he won a few games for us.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
LMN just move on man you’re like talking to an adolescent. You don’t know who Herrera is……..lol
You just repeat what you read in here, because you have no choice. What else do you know.
May 13th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Someone on this board actually said that this Raider run game is one of the best in “history”….What??!!
That statement is soooo rediculous I find it hard to believe someone said it…so I would ask that this person clarify his statement….Are you saying that DMC/Bush as a tandem are among historys best?? History as in NFL history??
May 13th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
ET how many times do I have to tell you man I had him ranked extremely high in the top 5 players in the draft. I thought he was an awesome talent. I’m not sure what else to say but you’re taking this awefully personal. I didn’t say he was a BAD PLAYER what else do myou want me to say?
Look Ive been watching this game for over 40 years I know how important a posession rec’r is I know we need someone to fill that need. I’m simply saying Crabtree IMO is not worth a top 10 pick as far as what he done so far. I would rather have Maclin or Nicks or just someone else. Crabtree IMO is a disappointment to me. The same as DHB is a disppointment. I never would’ve drafted DHB in the 1st rnd I thought he was a 2nd at best. But we took him to everyones surprise. neither one of them has shown me they deserved to be there at the top………….period
May 13th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
I said or meant in raider history, however if we utilized those two the way we should I’d rank them as one of the best tandem’s in NFL history.
May 13th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
If we used both those guys the way we should they would both be ranked in the top 5 backs in this league. Unfortunately we don’t.
May 13th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Priest,
Not taking it personally at all. Didn’t mean to come across that way.
We see Crabtree’s relative value differently, is all. I think he can be a huge factor for a team by keeping the chains moving and by being a weapon in the red zone. Based on his college career, he’s no stranger to making the big catch when it has to be made.
We just disagree. It’s cool.
May 13th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
LMN just move on man you’re like talking to an adolescent. You don’t know who Herrera is……..lol
You just repeat what you read in here, because you have no choice. What else do you know.
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if im an adolescent you are like an infant, awestruck with you big daddy… you talk as you were in kindergarten, “my daddy is stronger, than your daddy”
(……period) does not make a fact btw, it just show how you make a lot of invalid claims
May 13th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
ET Crabtree is a inch shorter and 12 pounds heavier than who? who are you talking about?
May 13th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
LMN I’m sorry about belittling you man let’s let bygones be bygones…..OK!
May 13th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Priest,
According to the site I got DHB and Crabtree’s stats from when I posted earlier today. Can’t remember which one it was, but I used the same site for both players.
I googled DHB and Crabtree “stats”.
May 13th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
BHP…
if you think Crabtree isnt worth a top10 pick, how do you see DHB then? I assume first overall, though most see him as a low 2nd or a 3rd round pick..
May 13th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Campbell needs a WR to throw to and some blocking. Weren’t we second worst pass protection O line?
ALOT of sacks and no go to wides.
THATS what we need help on when the run game stalls.
The Raider O line is a mess right now. Hope it comes together tight.
Watched Mario Henderson play Right Tackle against Denver and Tebow.
He did alright the few times he did but c’mon, it was the Broncos D.
They didn’t even know if they were 3-4 or 4-3 and had tons of injuries.
May 13th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
If DHB comes out and has 70+ catches for 800+ yds and 7+Tds people will call it a success even though he was picked in the top 10.
If he comes out and does what he’s done…
May 13th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
LMN can you read man I said NEITHER of them belonged there. I wouldn’t have darfted DHB in the 1st rnd at all it’s in the same post…
ET I get ya’ those are from when they were rookies DHB is about 20 lbs heavier 6′2″ approx 220 or 225. he pl ayed at 220 last year. And Camp said he bulked up more.
May 13th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
I will regret that we didnt pick Calvin Johnson in ‘07 and BJ Raji in ‘09 till i die… Jammy and DHB will makes the franchise look more stup!d than it is
May 13th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Off to watch Thunder / Grizzlies.
Have a good night everybody.
May 13th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Apparently I cant read LOL…
I guess thats my cue to hit the sacks…
‘Nite all, take care..
I hope we would have drafted CJ and BJ Raji when I wake up, and its all a bad dream..
May 13th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
later guys!
May 13th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
ohhh btw, on another note.. our F16’s have just been confirmed they killed Gaddafi’s son… not a rumor anymore then…
Nite all…
May 13th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Sorry but our line sucked the big one and was one of the worst in the nfl
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And it still does until further notice. Glad to see Al and Hugh trying to address this issue. Hopefully Satelle sticks around, we can’t keep having Veldheer playing back up C.
May 13th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
I would make the case that whether or not the team makes progress–that is, nine or ten wins this year–depends in large measure on the improvement of both lines. Substantial improvements in pass protection and run defense will improve productivity by the skill position players, and reduce the susceptibility of the defense to give up big plays. What I don’t understand is why Crazy Al is standing pat on the defensive front seven.
May 13th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
I just read Jerry’s article and sometimes stats tell lies. There are lies then damn lies and then there are stats. When a running game isn’t going and you have to pass it triggers the defense to attack. That will force most teams to struggle with mature passing games. When you have a QB in a new system with new players and no running game that is a bad mix. To assume that Camp cannot play effectively without a running game at this point is speculation. As they get more and more familiar as teammates you’ll the pass be much more effective when the running gam eisn’t going.
Now we just saw the SB when Aaron Rodgers shreded the Steelers by spreading them out and forcing them to cover. Why did that work? first Palomalu was hurt second they have one of the worst secondaries in the league third they have one of the most experienced and explosive passing attacks in football.
Yes Aaron Rodgers is what I call an elite QB he also has an elite rec’g corp, great matchup you can set back there and throw when you have those things working for you plus Rodgers is a very mobile QB you can’t just indiscriminantly rush him. They were the perfect machine to beat the Steelers that way. Oh! their Oline is also pretty good.
JC is not a bad passer and if he stays in this system for 5 years with these players chances are he’ll be able to do some of that. WE have a rookie WR and a bunch of guys trying to develope if you don’t have a running game in that situation the chances of you struggling are great. Especially against a defense like the Steelers which is what we did when we played them.
No rocket science there………….
May 13th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Because their is this little issue called a LOCKOUT!!!
Maybe you missed that little detail.
May 13th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
What I don’t understand is why Crazy Al is standing pat on the defensive front seven
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From what I’ve read on this blog…Al thinks the players are fine, so walah. A new DC instead. I support Fresno St. players but I wish they would have given up on Sam Williams and drafted Fresno St. OLB Chris Carter.
May 13th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Raider pass protection was very poor last season. It’s been horrible for quite some time now. Run blocking was adequate. I think there is some truth to the argument that the Raids exploited some weak run defenses and DMAC’s outstanding runs inflated the final run game standings/stats.
Campbell was under duress far too often. Can’t argue with that.
However, entirely blaming Campbell’s dismal performances in games where the Raids couldn’t run effectively, due to a lack of pass protection or on his WRs is complete and utter NONSENSE.
Campbell doesn’t handle pressure well at all. He’s indecisive. Holds the ball too long. Rarely took a shot downfield even when he was afforded time. When he did attempt to throw intermediate and deep passes they were invariably off target.
I don’t need any stats to tell me that. I know what I saw. And even if some posters here don’t want to believe it, Hue Jackson saw the same things and that’s why JaJason got benched.
To be fair to JaJason, he knows his limitations. He knows he can’t quickly read a defense, pull the trigger and throw an accurate intermediate route. When he attempts to do so bad things happen. It’s better for him and the Raids to wind up checking down or taking a sack rather than throw a pick six or turn it over.
Augment his conservative (some would call it timid) QB play with a powerful run game and things will hum along nicely. He’s an adequate game manager.
Ask him to power a passing attack, carry the team, or score points in a hurry when they’re desperately needed, and way more often than not you’re going to be bitterly disappointed.
With the exception of the Ford miracle against KC, one would be hard pressed to think of more than a handful of successful throws downfield.
JaJason made an interesting revelation in an interview when Cable got canned. He mentioned that Al Davis called him after the Colts game and asked, “Why didn’t the ball go downfield more against Indy ?”. Campbell responded, “They played alot of cover-2″.
Why do you think Al asked that question and what do you think Al thought of Campbell’s response ?
I can almost guarantee you he wasn’t happy with Jason’s performance and not exactly thrilled with his answer.
If you think that Hue or Cable benched JC without Al’s approval or that the decision to go with a still injured Grads vs. Miami was done against Al’s will, you better think again.
JaJason’s status as the Raid starting QB is alot more tenuous than most believe. He’s got the job right now only because Grads couldn’t stay healthy and will be hooked again (even for Boller) if he has another performance or two like the ones against Tenn, St Lou, Pitt and SF.
A quality NFL QB never plays as poorly as JC did against SF. Ever. And that wasn’t his only completely unacceptable performance.
JaJason sucks.
May 13th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
RAIDERMAN99
You may be 100% correct about Soupman but I for one, am willing to give him another full year under the new Regime and hopefully upgraded O-line. If things don’t improve dramatically with the new HughJack/Saunders offense, improved O-line, healthy RB’s and a WR corps with another year under the belt, then I’ll come to your conclusion.
I do feel that we need a more solid #2 QB prospect and I believe we will be able to get one of the two Smiths from SF. Either would be an upgrade over Boller.
May 13th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
JC is not a bad passer and if he stays in this system for 5 years with these players chances are he’ll be able to do some of that. WE have a rookie WR and a bunch of guys trying to develope
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Five years? 5 fuggin years? With Boller as a backup???
May 13th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Dude everyone but you knows Grads isn’t a starter in this world nor the next…………move on will ya’
Or go play catch with your boyfriend maybe that’ll settle you down.
You hate Jason because he beat your boyfriend out and it hurts I know, but get over it will ya’?
May 13th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RFL control yourself son I was making a comparison to Aaron Rodgers and his situation to JC’s not saying JC is as good just saying being in the same system with the same players for 5 helps a little don’t ya’ think?
Who knows who the backup will be there’s a LOCKOUT!!
What part of that word don’t you guys get?
May 13th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
I interpret most of Soup’s shortcomings as coming from a position of low confidence. He hasn’t ever been with a stable organization utilizing the same game plan from year to year. I feel Soup is starting to show signs of ownership. His confidence will be increasing exponentially and his performance this upcoming year show show it. HuJack will have everyone marching to the same drummer. Al Saunders is the first quality OC we had with this team for years. DMAC & Bush are both healthy. The O-line gives hope for improvement especially with 2 new quality rookies. ZMiller should be healthy again as is Schilens. This offense should be very powerful this upcoming season. There is no reason not to expect making the playoffs and possibly further.
On defense we will have one of the best D lines around. I believe our Run-D problems are more a problem of discipline and scheme rather than the wrong personnel. Nnamdi & Huff not being there may pose additional concerns but we’ll have to wait and see how that plays out. Playing less Man and more zone very well may improve our Run defense while a more forceful rush could result in a great pass defense.
Kicking wise we still have the best duo in the league and with Ford & TJones on the ST returns teams we can strike fast & often.
I’m so positive on this upcoming year that I got my season tickets to make sure I’m there when they get back to respectability. Hope to see you all there when we start Kickin’ A & Takin’ Names.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Good post, JB.
I share alot of your optimism and appreciate your enthusiasm.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Starting O-Line:
Veldheer, Walker, Wiz2.0, BCampbell, Barksdale.
O-Line Back-ups:
Satele, Loper, Barnes, MHenderson, Parsons or Schuening.
Subject to change based on any FA acquisition.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Very well said JB outstanding post you sold me man I’m getting my tickets…..ASAP!
May 13th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
With the speed we have at WR we should run a decoy deep post on virtually every play. Putting DHB, Ford and DMoore on the fly will at a minimum take 1 and possibly 2 defenders the length of the every play. The defenders should be gassed by halftime. You know a number of those fly patterns will bust open and if Soup is on, it will be score. This team has the wherewithal to score on virtually every play from anywhere on the field. We have the fastest playmakers, on paper at least, and now it is time to put it on the field. Like I said earlier if Soup is on, we are going to score and score often.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
JB I was verbalizing these same sentiments earlier when a certain pessimist attacked me. But this is exactly how I see it. I base it one the KC game at home if you saw the deep safety on KC’s defense you would’ve fell over laughing, the guy was 50 yards downfield at the snap of the ball I kid you not. He may as well been in the lockerroom. That is because Ford was running by guys like they were standing still. And he still beat them deep and caught the ball we kicked a FG and game over.
It was the strangest thing I’d ever saw on an NFL field. Camp launched a rocket and Ford ran under before the deep safety could get there.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
it just showed fearful they are of world class speed. When DMC gets into a secondary they feel helpless that is an awesome weapon to have.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Like I said earlier today, I was a season ticket holder since 1967 until they left for LA. I haven’t been back since relying on NFL ticket & the Internet.
Last year you could start to see some of the pieces finally come together. A couple of good drafts helped immensely. Now it appears based on last years turnaround that momentum is building for something very good. You are right, players like Ford, DMAC, Bush & Miller are all players. This team is loaded and given the right leadership could be very special.
People joke about AD’s fixation with speed but he’s right, speed can kill and it can do it quickly. Line up Ford & DHB, bring DMAC out of the backfield with another speedster in the slot, all you are going to see is large eyeballs on the other side. I believe this years offense is going to be one of the most feared. And, for good reason.
These are some of the reasons I came back. I hope others do too.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
JB Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Like I said earlier today, I was a season ticket holder since 1967 until they left for LA.
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Since 66′
May 13th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Old dogs KK. New team, new rules but football still rules.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Exactly, you can’t coach/teach speed. But, a fraction of a second there vs a football player here…………
Football is a contact sport.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Just think how lucky we were to have been able to see all the good days and great players. The game was different but not necessarily better. The size, speed & quality of players has changed dramatically but those were still exciting days.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
We moved from Frank-Youell Field, straight into the Oakland Coliseum.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
JB
It’s great, it’s what we grew up with. I would have never thought, in all my dying years. Al Davis was Gawd!. My Gawd!
But, the Raiders must go on.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
I was right there behind you. at the time I was in sect. 315, row 4 seats 5-8. I was young then and didn’t mind sitting in the rain. No longer, new seat assignment Sect. 240, under the overhang, row 14, seats 13/14. A little pricey but should be good. In the old days I’d never have gotten seats hat good. They just weren’t available.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
The Raiders will return to respectability commencing 2011. Write it down.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
I was over in sec 109. I don’t have season tickets now. I’m thinking about it. I like to sit in the 215 area.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Gotta run. Good chatting with all you guys, especially the old timers like me. Brings back good memories and bright hopes for the Raider’s future.
May 13th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
I hope the Raiders do continue their road to respectability this year.
I’ll light an incense, and…………..
May 13th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
180.KoolKell Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
I hope the Raiders do continue their road to respectability this year.
I’ll light an incense, and…………..
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Holy shiznolo. Is KK getting soft?
May 13th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
It’s just that somepeople think they know more about football than Mr Davis does. No one drafts nor are they intereted in players that run fast but can’t play. There are tons of fast guys with world class speed coming out of college every year and no one touches them because they can’t play. The ones that get drafted get darfted because they can play. You don’t start at Miami and Ohio St for 3 straight years if you can’t play. You lead you entire division II and you can’t play and ou don’t lead major universities at your position if you can’t play. These guys have shown they can play that’s why they are rated highly in scouting services and get drafted. Track stars don’t get ranked in football national services if they cannot play football.
These facts don’t compute with some people.
May 13th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
JB169,last year was the ONLY year I didnt get season tickets,but Im with ya,think I may split w/another,get better seats. Oh,KK,who has jumped youre handle?Cant be You,right? Must be mr playing games
May 14th, 2011 at 12:48 am
preist, I don’t think I know more about football than Al Davis. But here’s a short list of people who I think do:
Tom Cable
Lane Kiffin
Jon Gruden
Mike White
Ron Wolf
Mike Shannahan
John Madden
May 14th, 2011 at 1:22 am
post 184,mrs,You are an idiot or friggin are UTI of meds,period! Sorry,just read it again,JACKASSSSS
May 14th, 2011 at 4:41 am
The Raiders imo for sure were always going to draft Wisniewski in the 2nd. They probably did inquire about acquiring a late first rounder to get Kaepernick, but they correctly did not sell the farm to do so, including no doubt a 1st in 2012, where there are yet again some more excellent QB prospects.
May 14th, 2011 at 6:40 am
The Raiders can’t be a passing team until they get a better offensive line and a better quarterback. Watching the youtube film of Rich Gannon completing 43 out of 64 passes against the Steelers sure makes me realize how far we have to go.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:53 am
RAIDER
it is frustrating when you see draft picks squandered. BUT al’s love for speed at skill positions is absolutely the right way to draft for his system. you can teach players how to catch and run routes, you can not teach them to be fast. sometimes it works out with players like cliff branch and jacoby ford and sometimes it doesn’t but that goes for all teams who use their draft picks.
none of those coaches, not even madden know more about football than al davis in my opinion. john gruden ruined every quarterback he touched in tampa, he won a SB with someone else’s team. he shouldn’t even be mentioned, same with the offensive line guy.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:16 am
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
ET I get ya’ those are from when they were rookies DHB is about 20 lbs heavier 6′2″ approx 220 or 225. he pl ayed at 220 last year. And Camp said he bulked up more.
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Priest, I don’t think he needs to bulk up. I think he’s probably already too bulked up. Somehow he lost a bit of his hand-eye coordination along the way. Obviously his speed isn’t the problem or his size at this point.
If I were him, I’d work with some top retired WRs all offseason on route running and hand-eye coordination to catch the balls.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:23 am
I mean, I still can’t forget the couple games DHB lost throwing the ball up that hit him in the stomach right near the endzone.
May 14th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Jon Gruden ruined every QB he touched? Chris Simms got hurt. Didn’t he break his neck or something? It’s Gruden’s fault injuries happen?
May 14th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Almost all of the people I named have better regular season career records as either a head coach or GM than Al Davis. Results don’t lie. The ones who don’t, I still think they know more about football than Al Davis. I think most of whatever success we had on their respective watches was due to their standing up to Al.
May 14th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
How would someone who doesn’t have a clue about football know who knows more? It doesn’t matter what you think the only thing that matters is Mr Davis is in the HOF and has rebiult this team back into a contender. Those are the facts…..Jack!!
May 14th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Guys we don’t know what or how DHB trains so to speculate about what he does or doesn’t do is useless. We all know he just needs to be productive when the season starts…………..period
May 14th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
TJ,193, Hue Jack City,Dont know why I even let mr,mrs,raider,dan land,apaine,and others get to me,I mean the same guy,countless handles,etc Maybe hes Jerrys brother?Whatever,RAIDERS!!!!!!! or Jerrys sister
May 14th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahaha
May 14th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Hey TJ,you think MBush will be back? And the rookie RB in the draft,thoughts?
May 14th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Ok,out for Food and beverage,later!
May 14th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Everyone complains about him yet they take the bait when he throws it out there.
May 14th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
They can’t help it Left there are too many that he can rope into an argument that’s why he’s always here. he says enough of what they like to get them talking thenn starts his propaganda.
Hendu there’s no question in my mind that MBush will be back and the rookie is a potential sensation. Just the film I saw of him was phenomenal. Why he lasted that long is beyond me getting that kid in the 4th is like getting DMC in the 2nd rnd. TJ may be the 3rd best back in this draft. Some say it’s his fumbles if that is true I’ll take it everytime. Fumbles can be fixed. AP fumbled a lot so did DMC and Jamaal Charles it’s a technigue issue. PLus once he gets a little bigger in his upper body that will help as well.
May 14th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Priesttj, nice comment on T. Jones. I’ve watched what I could find on You Tube and the guy looks to have tons of potential. Scary fast and breaks tackles. I agree that the fumble issue can be resolved, even M. Bush lets one get away from time to time.
May 14th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Priesttj,
What gaps do you see on this team that is preventing it from being a Super Bowl contender…or qualifying for the playoffs.
What areas of this team do you feel still need to be addressed?
Do you think the Raiders have all the players they need?
May 14th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
No way do they have all the players they need because there is no such thing IMO! You can always use more talent. I think maturity and confidence are the biggest things we need to have going forward that only comes from success we haven’t had a lot of that. The Oline needs to get settled and perform at a high level whether that measn adding talent or the players we have becoming more cohesive. I’d like to see an additional DT I think we’re good at DE because of Jarvis Moss. The secondary needs to have soem questions answered withy regards to FA. That is also true with the Oline. Most think we need a vet to help mentor the WR’s in some ways I agree in others I don’t. I’d like to get a guy who’s more of an example than some vet playing out the string. Some who shows them how to practice who to run routes to help the QB by doing it not talking it.
Then I’d like to see a QB backup JC who’s a proven vet who’s done it and played at a high level with a little something left. Donovan McNabb comes to mind I know it’s unrealistic but that’s what I’d like to see even Hasselback then add a dynamic rookie next yera.
Well if I missed anything let me know.
May 14th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
IOW you need a Richard Seymour type at every position someone who knows how to prepare and how practice and how to play. Richard didn’t do it talking he showed them by example. That’s how you win Championships.
JC is a very good example for the offensive guys at every position because they see how serious he is about everything he does. He doesn’t party he doesn’t do anything that takes away from accomplishing his goal. That is HUGE for young impressionable players.
May 14th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
I think the old man Al needs to prepare to offer JC an extension more as an insurance policy, if they can’t find anyone better than him as a replacement.
JC would be good to keep as insurance more than anything else.
May 14th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
I’ll have to aggree with that JC is starting to make his mark on this team, these kids will follow if he leads them. They’ve been needing that for a few years, so far so good. If they start out Hot they could do some damage if they stay healthy.
May 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
I’m not sure how many have heard that interview with Camp and Mike Florio on PFT but it’s very revealing. He talks about Cable, DHB and a plethora of other subjects it’s interesting. Give it a listen especially his comments about DHB. As I said before my confidence in DHB are based on what he said in that interview. Along with DHB’s continued work ethic.
May 14th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
I like JC but I don’t think he’ll ever be a “great” QB.
I read somewhere that JC needs everything to be perfect to perform at his best. But that can be said of most people.
If the Raiders have a good OL and their running backs and receivers come through then he’ll be fine.
This is such a pivotal year for the franchise that I’m sweating bullets to have this lockout end and get on with it.
May 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Also, I am thinking about suing LowerMyBills.com for using my picture.
May 14th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Didn’t Gannon need those things, he had probably the bets Oline in the league and great running game and two HOF WR’s. He still threw 5int’s in the SB yet people in here revere him.
May 14th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Okay, since nobody is here, I’ll sing.
“Johnny’s in the basement mixing up the medicine
I’m on the pavement thinking ’bout the government.
Girl by the whorlpool, looking for a new fool. Don’t follow leaders, watch the parking meters.”
May 14th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
JC is fine for us at qb. I just dont want him slinging the rock 35 times in a game. He just not that type of QB. I like him alot but this year excuses will not be accepted. I need 10 or more wins and a division crown
May 14th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Bob Dylan, the precurser to “Rap”.
May 14th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
BHP…..I ALWAYS FELT gannon got too much praise. Idiots on here say Gannon was a great qb lol. He was a limited qb on the arm tip and struggled vs stout defenses. And you gotta take into account the era he played in. Parity allowed a scrub like Rich to get a bog us mvp award. Dinking and dunking is smoke and mirrors.2002 was a farce. 2000 season was better
May 14th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Bauce Gannon simply knew his limitation and played within them, he worked hard and made himself a very good QB I’ll give him credit where it is due he ran that offense about as well as you can run it. He would often throw underneath when guys were wide open deep. But we got 1st downs and for that you have to give him credit. Great QB’s sustain excellence over a longer period of time. In order to maximize that offense you have to be able to attack deep more often. If Camp can make that a part of his game along with the controlled passing he will excel. He’s as accurate as he needs to be on all levels it’s a matter of knowing when and who to throw to. If he gets that down he can be special. He’s talented enough to be very good he has be more detailed and more aggressive. If he does……LOOK OUT!
May 14th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Hey KK if you disagre man disagree your name calling brotha pisses me off. I say what i wnat to say you say what you want to say and leave it at that.
You project your hatred for Al Davis onto everyone man and it’s going to bite you in the arse. Now back the hell off me.
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La Milicia Negra Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
If DHB catches the same # of passes he’ll score twice the # of TD’s I gaurantee you.
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exactly… problem is DHB can maybe catch a cold, but not the damn ball..
Priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
And you could have a thought if you had a brain.
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Priest gets butthurt by KK calling him names instead of talking football then LMN points out that your belief in DHB is a little confusing cause he sucks at catching the football (fact) and you resort to name calling? You are one silly dude Priest…but…I sure hope you’re right about DHB.
May 14th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
tj is not above calling people racist and throwing the swastika around when he gets called out on his football takes.
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Raider 510 Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Priest gets butthurt by KK calling him names instead of talking football then LMN points out that your belief in DHB is a little confusing cause he sucks at catching the football (fact) and you resort to name calling? You are one silly dude Priest…but…I sure hope you’re right about DHB.
May 14th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
MistaBrown, I know that certain people on this blog hate you and want to find out where you live so that they can eradicate you, mainly because you use the term “purple lips”.
Would you explain why you use that term (that you must know infuriates people) and why you think that it will advance the civiliation.
May 14th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Priest don’t cae about being called out at all. I don’t like being lied and having miniature minds twist the truth to try to draw me into an arguement with lies.
You want to talk football talk football and cut the crap. Lookeee loookee lookee look what Priest said and twist the truth. that’s what school age children do to stay out of trouble this a grown man football discussion act like it.
May 14th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
“civilization”
May 14th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
He does it because that is just his disposition dude has deep seated issues with people of color. In short he’s a slimbag bigot. Others who say it may say it because it’s funny he says it because he hates.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
I see fit to treat purp lips with the same level of disrespect you libtards gave G Bush, grow a pair of nuts and deal with it.
Beyond that I’m not a fan of a flunky marxist masquerading as a pres.
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Twocents Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
MistaBrown, I know that certain people on this blog hate you and want to find out where you live so that they can eradicate you, mainly because you use the term “purple lips”.
Would you explain why you use that term (that you must know infuriates people) and why you think that it will advance the civiliation.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Post#222 proof positive, because he’s black he’s a flunky marxist………told ya’
May 14th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
tj,
I said flunky marxist, you added “black” to the equation, didn’t you? I didnt mention his color or race.
You’re a POS tj thats why I pound you, your color whatever it is, is a factor.
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Priesttj Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Post#222 proof positive, because he’s black he’s a flunky marxist………told ya’
May 14th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
*non-factor
“You’re a POS tj thats why I pound you, your color whatever it is, is a factor”
May 14th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Father Pride & Poise, you are commended for calling out the bigots on this blog–bravo and thank you.
With respect to your undying defense of the Old Creeper, it bears repeating once again. Please comprehend: It’s not that we know more than Al about football–obviously that’s absurd–it’s we believe other GMs in the league know more, much more in fact. And they also know a lot more about running a 21st century professional organization.
The problem is while other NFL professionals are looking at statistical and trend analyses, looking at psychological profiles of players and what not, Al still runs things from his gut. And this puts this franchise at a decided disadvantage. My proof is the record over the past 20 some years. What’s yours that the old man “still has it?”
May 14th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Fck moderation Becker, it is a comment that is relevent!
May 14th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
tj,
Yesterday I reposted your comments on football topics verbatim and you called me a racist and a liar.
Today I said purp lips is a flunky marxist, and he is. So you had to add “black” to the equation to misrepresent my post…
Question:
Who raised you?
Whoever it was failed miserably, you are a total zero in every measurable human way.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Yeah yeah yeah you exposed yourself now you’re trying to clean it up. Everyone who reads your garbage knows what you mean. i don’t have to tell them. I don’t like racist people and I can tell them a mile away. This is a nulticultural world whether you like it or not and everyone has the right to work and live wherever they can afford to do so. Whites Blacks and everything in between elected him president. I didn’t even vote for him because i don’t vote. But he has the same right as anyone else if he can gain the votes. No matter what you think of him……………period
May 14th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Well then moderate you week bastrd, make a decision.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
tj, you are bigot and total derelict on raider football….period
May 14th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
“weak”
May 14th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
I’m tired of teams using us as an excuse to make risky picks. It was Wiz the whole time. Al keeps things in the family when he can, good or bad. SF is tryna look smarter than they really are.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
LMAO
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Twocents Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Well then moderate you week bastrd, make a decision.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
227.Twocents Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Fck moderation Becker, it is a comment that is relevent!
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LOL you think relevance matters on this site?
May 14th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Ohioraider I respect your opinion but I happen to know better, there are GM’s failing all over the league. No one is has cornered the market on winning SB’s and he has rebiult this team into a contender as far as I’m concerned. And I’ve seen how he does it.
So respectfully I’ll just disagree thanks fopr listening.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Who ever moderates this blog is one of the weakest, limp dck bstrds i’ve ever encountered.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
He’s is a liberal minded puke, his name is Becker.
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Twocents Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Who ever moderates this blog is one of the weakest, limp dck bstrds i’ve ever encountered.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Moderator, there is no football news, let us talk about whatever we please.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
233.8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
I’m tired of teams using us as an excuse to make risky picks. It was Wiz the whole time. Al keeps things in the family when he can, good or bad. SF is tryna look smarter than they really are.
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Well, I agree and only thing we can really do about it is win in 2011. Prove it on the field now
May 14th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
239.Twocents Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Moderator, there is no football news, let us talk about whatever we please.
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LOL this guy is cracking me up
May 14th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
tj, here’s a fact:
I’ve never gone after you on the basis you might be afr amer. I couldn’t care any less. I’ve only gone after your moronic statements you make regarding Raider football.
The problem I have with you is your a pompous jacka$$, bigot, derelict, with his head up his narrow minded bigot a$$ that thinks he knows everything.
You can inject all the race into you want I dont give a rats a$$…..period
May 14th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Moderator, are we going to injure ourselves by talking freely. Please protect us.
May 14th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Sup Bauce
May 14th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Bauce I agree lets see what happens this year, we should’ve won last year that wasa better team than we experienced. But the proof is in the record. So I’m looking forward to see what Hue Jackson can pull off.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
StankyBrown take it somewhere else man, I couldn’t care less what you think or anything else. Ignore my post dumbell.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Moderator, close down your crappy site if we can’t exchange our opinions.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
I’m posting all my opinions without any problems. You must be disrespectful, using foul language, or using racial slurs.
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Twocents Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Moderator, close down your crappy site if we can’t exchange our opinions.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Thats another thing tj, I always call you by your name but you have to stoop to a lower level and call me names, dont you?
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Priesttj Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
StankyBrown take it somewhere else man,
May 14th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Priesttj, I want Brown here, I want KoolKell, MR and everybody that wants to post an opinion, on anything.
Yeah, our bond is the fact that we are Raider fans and that makes us the Nation.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
244.MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Sup Bauce
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Im cool man. Just waiting for memorial day weekend ya know. Younger brother is turning 21 around that time so now he can roll 100 pct lol
May 14th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
I don’t care who’s here and how long Twocents. I come in here to talk football not fight like a 5 year old don’t mind if someone disagreees with me at all. I hate when someone like Stanky LIES on me. Then act innocent. LOLDude is a scumbag of inth degree………..period
May 14th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
245.priesttj Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Bauce I agree lets see what happens this year, we should’ve won last year that wasa better team than we experienced. But the proof is in the record. So I’m looking forward to see what Hue Jackson can pull off.
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Well I expect us to compete in most of our games but winning games in November and December are what get you t othe playoffs.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Cool, A’s are off today?
May 14th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Adios y’all!!
May 14th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
BHP vs Mista is epic on this site.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
tj, I dont lie on you. Shoot with all your gaffs and boot licking who needs to lie?
I’ll keep after you on football related topics and you can call me a racist and a liar all you want, deal?
May 14th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
254.MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Cool, A’s are off today?
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Today 6-2 over chitown….local dude tyson ross was on point. A’s will be around til the end this season. Our pitching is way too killer plus we got depth like no one’s business. Because of that Beane will go find a bat.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
You know playing with the Raiders on Madden’s updated roster is a joy. All the players have range. If the players can do this on the field, using their range to make plays, I see a hardfought 9-7 for sure. At this point it’s all about ball management and movement to the right players.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Moderator, give me liberty or give me moderation!
May 14th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
259.8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
You know playing with the Raiders on Madden’s updated roster is a joy. All the players have range. If the players can do this on the field, using their range to make plays, I see a hardfought 9-7 for sure. At this point it’s all about ball management and movement to the right players.
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I’m not a Madden gamer but I see what you are getting at. The Raiders have a roster full of special type of talents on both sides of the ball. I believe health is the biggest thing for us
May 14th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Oh an early game, dam!
Beane will probably deal 3 good young pitchers for one mediocre bat and there you go, 2 steps forward 2 steps back.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
I must be a racist I don’t like B Beane much!
May 14th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
My last comment, how could anyone that is confident be offended by something that anyone else says?
May 14th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Still we have a few holes on offense: FB,WR1,LG and RG
Holes on defense: WLB,NT,and 3rd DE
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The team as of now I believe can win the WEST but I want more than that. Filling these voids makes the Raiders an elite franchise again
May 14th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
How can you not like the Beane? He hits more than he strikes out and our team has been pretty competitive over the decade.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
262.MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Oh an early game, dam!
Beane will probably deal 3 good young pitchers for one mediocre bat and there you go, 2 steps forward 2 steps back.
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Man please dont say that. Ba luck already hit with Braden being hurt like he is. He was prime trade bait
May 14th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
If Huff walks then you have another hole at safety. DB is a question mark as well.
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Bauce Rules Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Still we have a few holes on offense: FB,WR1,LG and RG
Holes on defense: WLB,NT,and 3rd DE
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The team as of now I believe can win the WEST but I want more than that. Filling these voids makes the Raiders an elite franchise again
May 14th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Beane is a good GM butmade a few bad mistakes and lacked funds. The 2011 A’s are constructed a little different and dont play the same type of ball like before. Small ball is incorporated in our stuff and we have ability to win alot of close games plus our pitching is damn near the best in baseball. Our errors need to stop but we have gloves out there. So I expect the A’s to be a hoto topic in September
May 14th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Bauce,
Great post. Health is even more important now because of the lockout. Our gazelles need time to stretch and train with a professional staff. Although, that’s not an endorsement for our training staff.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
268.MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
If Huff walks then you have another hole at safety. DB is a question mark as well.
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Bauce Rules Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Still we have a few holes on offense: FB,WR1,LG and RG
Holes on defense: WLB,NT,and 3rd DE
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The team as of now I believe can win the WEST but I want more than that. Filling these voids makes the Raiders an elite franchise again
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I’m not worried about the DBs to be honest with ya. You know I do not like Huff at all. ESPN showed last year’s highlight of Tebow running thru Huff to go into the endzone…my god!. Gotta get soft pansies like him and Nnamdi outta here
May 14th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
270.8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Bauce,
Great post. Health is even more important now because of the lockout. Our gazelles need time to stretch and train with a professional staff. Although, that’s not an endorsement for our training staff.
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LOL the players are the training staff. You crazy?
May 14th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
The safety position is pretty weak across the board. You may not like Huff but he made some plays. Lose Huff and your looking at S Brown and MM, yikes! I’m nowhere near sold on T Branch.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
B Beane simply pissed away too much home grown talent and replaced them with dogmeat FA’s. I just cant get down with that.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
And Bauce, don’t get me started on E Chavez!
Beane sucks….period
May 14th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
273.MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
The safety position is pretty weak across the board. You may not like Huff but he made some plays. Lose Huff and your looking at S Brown and MM, yikes! I’m nowhere near sold on T Branch.
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I’ll take Mitchell,Branch and Brown as my guys back there. Huff was a soft ass out there. Gimme some mean guys who wanna hit and can tackle. We need a stout front 7. Those guys will be cleaning up bodies across the middle this season.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
275.MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
And Bauce, don’t get me started on E Chavez!
Beane sucks….period
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Yeah that move I was against from jump. I saw Chavez suck in 3 straight playoff series from 00-02. I never understood that move. Guy has glove but swings at the high fastball and gets into hella double plays. All I know is we signed Chavy and brought up Crosby lol
May 14th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Well you might get that lineup I don’t think AL is big on Huff and no doubt those guys come cheaper.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
274.MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
B Beane simply pissed away too much home grown talent and replaced them with dogmeat FA’s. I just cant get down with that.
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Yeah from 2000-2006 a title should have happened. Sadly it didnt but team is way better and play a different brand of ball now.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Chavez has to be batting around .125 in playoff ball that is hideous.
Is Crosby even in the league?
May 14th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Have I been banned???? Moderator??
May 14th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
278.MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Well you might get that lineup I don’t think AL is big on Huff and no doubt those guys come cheaper.
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Exactly plus we are tougher and cause fear over the middle. Who wants to take that shot from those two?
May 14th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Yes you are banned, delete your post and exit stage left ASAP or KK will email Becker on you.
May 14th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
People on here have said the raiders will go 8-8 or 9-7
but IMO(which don’t count for nuthin) I believe the if we pick up where we left off. Which I don’t see why not. We can pull ten wins out of tis schedule. 5-1 in the div. An 5-5 with the rest of the league. 10-6.
Any thoughts?
May 14th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Yes you are banned, delete your post and exit stage left ASAP or KK will email Becker on you.
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not banned just waiting on moderation.
You funny though!!!
May 14th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Oh, one last comment. When Al Davis had to pick between JaMarcus and Calvin I was in a quandary.
I am an amateur, I believed the hype on JR but as it turns out so did Al. Don’t you think that a man who has spent his entire life in professional football would make the correct decision?
May 14th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Twocents Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Oh, one last comment. When Al Davis had to pick between JaMarcus and Calvin I was in a quandary.
I am an amateur, I believed the hype on JR but as it turns out so did Al. Don’t you think that a man who has spent his entire life in professional football would make the correct decision?
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he did as so did evryone else. Ja Marcys has talent
he just doesn’t have ambition.
Sad so so sad
May 14th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Raiders Took one of the Preseason Games off my Account LOL!!!!
May 14th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
284.r8dercain Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
People on here have said the raiders will go 8-8 or 9-7
but IMO(which don’t count for nuthin) I believe the if we pick up where we left off. Which I don’t see why not. We can pull ten wins out of tis schedule. 5-1 in the div. An 5-5 with the rest of the league. 10-6.
Any thoughts?
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If Hue has FULL control to coach and doesn’t have to answer or explain to Al about anything, 10-6 is very possible given the talent. 11-5 wouldn’t be a shocker either.
May 14th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Who has a job where they get paid millions of dollars and they don’t have to answer to the boss?
NBE1 that doesn’t even make sense if you give it some thought. Of course he’s going to have to answer to Mr Davis before he makes decisions it’s his team.
May 14th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
290.priesttj Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Who has a job where they get paid millions of dollars and they don’t have to answer to the boss?
NBE1 that doesn’t even make sense if you give it some thought. Of course he’s going to have to answer to Mr Davis before he makes decisions it’s his team.
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Appreciate your comment. I should have been more specific in my meaning. If Hue has control to put on the field the line-up he sees fit and run his game plan, as opposed to a, say ‘directive’ of sorts coming down from head quarters of who or who not to play, what type of defense, you know, typical meddling stuff. I have so much confidence in Hue I just don’t want to see him messed with.
May 14th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Hue doesn’t run the defense he’s a an offenseive guy. But I understand what you mean. However you must understand these things are discussed in detail long before the seaosn starts what they’ll run type of system and things of that sort. In games him telling Hue who to play is a myth most people believe it, I never have you can’t coach like that. He knows that more than anyone. After the game he may ask questions but I don’t ever really remember him telling a coach who to play and there have been several coaches that have left on bad terms and none of them have ever said he did that. During the season he may ask why a certain guy isn’t playing if he feels they can help and that is his job. He’s the GM he drafted these players and he pays them. But during a game the coach is playing whi he wants to play. That’s the way i’ve always heard it. You may disagree but that’s my understanding.
May 14th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
they used to say the same thing when Madden was coaching that Madden was a puppet. It’s stupid if you really give it some thought because Back in that day Stabler called his own plays so did Plunkett. Yet they used to say that Mr Davis was telling them what plays to run.
May 14th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
I think the bottom line is people need to understand this Al Davis’ team he owns it he’s the GM and if you don’t wnat his influence on the team you root for. It’s time to trade up!!
Find another team because this team the Oakland Raiders will have his stamp on it whether you like it or not. To whine about it makes no sense it’s wasted emotion. It’s HIS TEAM not ours…..
May 14th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Priest,
Al Davis sucks.
Sincerely,
Raider Fan for life.
May 14th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
MistaBrown Says:
May 14th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
I see fit to treat purp lips with the same level of disrespect you libtards gave G Bush, grow a pair of nuts and deal with it.
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Ha ha ha! That’s what it is? You’re just all butt hurt about the way America made fun of Bush? lol. Well, you just call O bama all the names you want, then. Because you’re going to hear Bush get made fun of for the rest of your life. When you’re the worst president in the post slavery United States and you’re a well noted retard, you’re going to get made fun of.
May 15th, 2011 at 12:37 am
@ Priesttj,
You’re right, this IS Big Als team, and he does whatever he himself thinks will help the Raiders back on top! No one can refute that Big Al wants to win! And he does whatever he feel that he can to win – spend money and fires whoever he doesn’t think is competent! But as it hasn’t had any real effect (hopefully Hue Jack is the HQ that fits and can change it), his role as GM is in question! I personally see promise and believe we’re heading in the right direction (finally)! And I have faith that Big Al has a plan that can get us back to the playoffs as a contender, but I understand those who don’t!
- Fans who are not being as optimistic as I (and you as well) and are being sceptical about the way Big Al is running the team are understandable imo – the last decade has been one big disapointment with almost no real improvement (until now – which sadly has been said every year, eroding the phrase.. feels different now though)! This IS Big Als team, but as he is the GM as well and has been sticking by the same MO (despite changes in the tendencies in the league and in the game), it is fair to question his approach as the result has lacked severely (especially since FA as someone posted earlier)!
When results are lacking, someone has to take the blaim, and that someone is usually the HQ and/or the GM, and as the GM hires the new HQ’s, it is fair to say that Al hasn’t done too good of a job at either picking the right HQ’s, or by meddling too much and screwing up the HQs plan – either way, something has been off!
The term ‘win, lose or tie – Raiders til I die’ however, is descriptive of the members of Raidernation that has stuck by the team through this long and hopeless stretch, and as long as they support the team and the players when they hit the field, they deserve the right to resent the way things has been, and still are being done by the GM – Big Al! Al had it once – does he still(which many fans question, I have too)? If he doesn’t, they’re right to want him off, and many tried to – remember the big Billboard collection to get him to step back and sign a GM! … But if he manages to turn it around (he no longer goes for players with attitude problems, instead goes for leaders, high character guys and good lockerroom presence – looks to me like Big Al is finally adjusting.. And Raiderspeed – face it, Raidernation loves speed as well!), the sceptics will have to give him credit for that as well!
Buttom line is that winning is long overdue, and it hurts every member of Raidernation to lose – both the sceptical, the optimists and all in between! We just want to win – Just win Baby!
Being sceptical and hating on Big Al will not change anything unless Big Al himself feels he no longer has what it takes – but the frustration of losing that leads to this scepticism and badtalking is understandable imo, and it will not stop before we yet again become a winning team, or the GM (Big Al) steps back to let new forces into the dark side!
Hopefully it will be Big Al that leaves us back to greatness with this new MO, as it would be a worthy ending to one of the persons that has meant the most in the history of NFL! … But if it isn’t, then new dark blood is needed, and changes need to happen! Time will tell which one will be the key to winning!
May 15th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Back-up QB this season B.Favre
May 15th, 2011 at 1:08 am
I didn’t say we can’t question is decision making and second guees the hell out of him. We can curse him all we want. My point is to ask him to sit down and shut up and still pay millions of dollars to someone to tell him what to do is a waste of time.
Second guessing and even cursing him for doing a lousy job is your right. If you pay money to see that team you should be able to boo hate him or whatever. That’s not my point my point is expect him to pay money sit down and shut up is crazy no one in their right mind in any business you seee on earth will do that.
You wouldn’t do it and neither would I. After what he’s meant to that team over the years he has the right to burn it to the ground if he see fit. It’s his team when people say I don’t want himis influence on the team you may as well move on down the road. Because until he says I’m done! that aint gonna happen…………period
So stop spending money or do whatever but stop wasting time and energy over something you know wont change. And shouldn’t IMO!!
No one is going to come into my house and dictate to me what I should do so I have to respect his house………..period
May 15th, 2011 at 5:48 am
Where are people getting 235lbs from? RE: DHBs weight. That sounds very speculative to me AND farfetched.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:01 am
…………period!
May 15th, 2011 at 7:23 am
@ Priesttj,
I agree, thought you meant it the other way – sorry, my bad! Let’s hope this road is the right one!
@TerrapinRaider,
Seen it mentioned in a couple reports and on blogs (know blogs is not reliable in any way), but didnt really put too much thought into it as he played at 225 last year and JC said he’d been bulking, noting he had told him to balance it out so he didnt lose too much speed.. Tried to find the reports about the weight(not any official reports), but couldnt, so just disregard it – will post them if i find them again.. But the JC comment was from his interview that you probably already heard..
May 15th, 2011 at 9:15 am
“There’s A Voice,
That Keeps On Calling Me.
Down The Road,
Is Where I’ll Always Be.
Every Stop I Make,
I’ll Make A New Friend.
Can’t Stay For Long, Just Turn Around And I’m Gone Again.
Maybe Tomorrow, I’ll Wanna Settle Down,
Until Tomorrow, I’ll Just Keep Moving On.”
Funny that singing this makes me feel better….
May 15th, 2011 at 9:20 am
……huming works as well.Try it – you’ll have a great Sunday.
May 15th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Although just thinking there…Michael Vick should give it a miss.
May 15th, 2011 at 9:51 am
I dont think he was 225lbs last year. More like 210-215ish. But I am not 100% on that.
I think people just went silly with the 235 stuff based on Campbell’s interview, which is typical.
My best guess would be 220/225 range. 235 would be getting too big for a WR. He would definitely lose valuable speed at that weight imo. So you got to assume at most he put on 5-10lbs of muscle from 210-215 playing weight last year. And his speed may still be intact.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:00 am
To be less precise I would venture to say he is now 215-225lbs; which is a pretty intimidating size for a WR.
I do worry about the speed he may have given up.
DHB is listed at 6′2″ 210lbs on Raiders.com. I really think he played somewhere around that weight last year.
Larry Fitzgerald is listed at 6′3″ 218lbs or thereabout.
I don’t think DHB goes far beyond that so we can create a base for him. That makes for a very sizable and intimading WR if he has kept the speed to boot.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Not worried about DHB speed or size. Does he have the insticts, and hands?
May 15th, 2011 at 10:27 am
You might be right Terrapin, must admit i havent followed it too closely..
Do remember reports and pictures indicating he had bulked up last year however, and the 225 were thrown around.. But they could be wrong naturally!
I dont think he played at 210 last year, he seemed larger and more muscular than the previous year.. But JC mentioning it this year, reffering to the speed, must mean it is quite substantial, or at least clearly visible – so we will get a chance to see during camp..
And youre right, pretty intimidating, meybe he got tired of being harrassed at the line.. -)
May 15th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Just saw that he has finally started an open profile on twitter, then maybe he can shed some light on it himself..
May 15th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Like I told you guys after the draft last year JFORD is a footballer first, has great WR insticts, and hands…
JFORD has it….
DMOORE has it…..
DHB after 2 is “working on it”
May 15th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Route running can be taught….
Speed, instincts, great hands cannot…
May 15th, 2011 at 10:35 am
I would definitely tend to agree with you on that T’pin last year I think he played at somewhere around 215 this year he may have added 5 lbs of muscle. I think and I’ve said this before he gets rerouted a lot and he has to re-establish his route and sometimes the ball is either to early or thrown away as a result. He’s doing it to fight off DB’s because he thinks that’s what’s needed but it’s not. He needs to learn to stay disciplined and run cleaner routes and learn to setup a DB so that the DB doesn’t anticipate the route he’s running. He also needs to learn to adjust his route to the defense better in order to give the QB a target. Like Timmy used to just sit down in a window and give the QB a target. DHB drifts and the QB gets confused, once he understands how to do that the DB will be at his mercy. But he has learn to do it. That’s why it takes WR so long to develope because route running is damn near an artform.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Jerry, just kill this blog and give it to priest. Change the blog’s name to: “The Priest’s Pulpit…Al Davis Knows More Than You!”
May 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
The ability to catch the ball can be taught and has been many times you may never have natural hands but catching a football is taught all the time. Instincts can be taught to a certain degree you may never be as good as someone with natural instincts. The only thing that’s impossible to teach is speed. No one comes into football and has instincts until he learns the position then repetition begets instincts some much better than others.
The only thing that’s impossible to teach at all is God given speed.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:45 am
That’s a great idea MR I’ll have to look into that I think I have a lot to say.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Thec,
What made D Moore drop to rd 4? Thanks.
Priest,
DHB hasnt even shown flashes of being a top notch WR. What makes you confident he can develop into a top flight player? Thanks.
May 15th, 2011 at 11:14 am
DHB has to listen to his coaches and get more aggressive on the field. He’s going to drop passes…but if he can make a few big catches no one is going to care. He has the physical tools and speed. He needs to sit down with Jacoby Ford and absorb some of his personality.
Go up and TAKE the ball man!
May 15th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Al Davis can do what he wants as the owner. However, its the coaching chaos that has been the biggest reason for this 8 years of mess.
The draft? He’s done better in the last year or two….but still has work to do to overcome the big mistakes from 2000 to 2007 – a lost decade of draft picks
May 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Even Michealangelo had his down periods so did many great men. No one is infallable we’re all flawed people just trying to do the best we can. He was once great at what he does and still is capable of biulding a team as we have observed. But no one is perfect, certainly not him certainly not me and certainly not you…..
May 15th, 2011 at 11:27 am
The Great Al Davis is the reason for all the coaching turmoil. The Great Al Davis is the reason for the botched FA moves. The Great Al Davis is the reason for the bad drafts. The, huh ummmm, “great” Al Davis’s GREAT days are long behind him.
May 15th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Maybe so maybe not, we’ll certainly see wont we?
May 15th, 2011 at 11:34 am
How many years of losing will it take for you to be convince the man has lost “it”?? 10? 15? 20?
May 15th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Someday maybe soon Mr Davis is going to pass away and when that happens……I’ll have a stiff drink and shed a few tears and salute him. He was incredible from beginning to end there was no one like him………….period
May 15th, 2011 at 11:42 am
And I’m not going to let a few ignorant people rob me of one second of the enjoyment of watching him succeed and fail miserably because that is what life is all about. People fail even at the things they love the most. It’s a part of life with Mr Davis I’m cool with whatever happens because when he was great it was magnificent so when he’s not so great I’m rolling with my dawg………..damn the torpedoes!!!
May 15th, 2011 at 11:57 am
priesttj Says:
May 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Even Michealangelo had his down periods so did many great men. No one is infallable we’re all flawed people just trying to do the best we can. He was once great at what he does and still is capable of biulding a team as we have observed. But no one is perfect, certainly not him certainly not me and certainly not you…..
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True enough….as long as Al Davis has learned from his mistakes and goes ahead and fixes the situation and gets this team back to where it rightfully belongs
May 15th, 2011 at 11:57 am
We should never celebrate failure. Learn from it, yes…but never celebrate it.
May 15th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Priest,
Will you continue to be a Raider fans once Al Davis passes? Or is Al the main reason your a Raider fan?
May 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Sometimes because we have a rooting interest we think things should be done the way WE WANT them done. The way things were doen in the past are no longer useful because it’s not working the wya we think it should. Well sometimes in life we do everything right and it still comes out wrong, people are not robots their flawed frail humanbeings who do things we don’t expect them to. We don’t read minds and cannot read the future so life happens. Guys get on drugs and get hurt or just decide they don’t want to do it anymore. No one can control any of that.
People are frail humans when you got married to the women of your dreams did she ever disappoint you? Did your children evr disappoint you? or anyone you love do things you don’t expect? That’s called life!!
It also happens when you draft people you barely even know you do your due diligence research them and even put a PI on them. And they decide they want to party and hang out. You’re paying them millions of dollars but their too immature to be responsible. Did YOU make a mistake or did life just happen???
It happens to the best of us…………….period
May 15th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Al Davis doesn’t even recognize his key mistakes. Sure, he’s admitted to have made them, per se. But he gives only a couple of specific examples. He’s been making major mistakes since the ’80s, and has owned up to hardly any of them. And, he continues to make similar mistakes. Still has no GM. Still meddles. Still drafts for speed and agility over football skills. Still hasn’t owned up to any of these mistakes. So, he hasn’t learned from his mistakes. He’s still making them. A long as he’s involved, even remotely, he’s making a mistake. And until he owns up to that, and learns from it, his team will continue to suck.
May 15th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Priest, if the league somehow removed Al Davis from the Raiders, I’d still be a Raider fan. Would you? You tell me who the real “Raider fan” is.
May 15th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
MR look man you have no clue what he does or doesn’t do. You have an opinion and that is fine but that’s all it is is an opinion….
You never biult a team nor do understand how one is biult. I know just enough to know that I don’t know nothing and you know even less……….so it’s easy to sit back and say I know better when the simple fact is………………YOU DON’T
May 15th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Nor do you know me so get a clue and stop reaching……….I’m done no more attention to you or your comments……………period
May 15th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Even the fastest horses get put out to pasture Priest, age catches up with EVERYONE and EVERYTHING…Al Davis is no different.
May 15th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Gannon and Campbell are 2 different guys… Gannon was like a coach on the field and that’s what made him good…. Cuz his arm strength was mediocre however his touch on he ball was great…. Campbell needs to be that coach on the field to be able to take the next step…. His arm strength is great and he has shown good touch at times if he can make the reads and calls the right audibles then we r in business… My opinion has always been that if a qb is gonna be good he will be good from the gate…. But there are exceptions… Gannon was a damn good back up early in his career and could have started alot sooner…. Let’s hope Campbell can find his mojo this year or else we will be looking for a new franchise qb again…. I got a feeling he is gonna do above average due to the fact that the o-line looks more solid…Gannon benefited from an awesome in front of him…Whatever the case, like Jerry said he better start carrying the offense with his arm when needed or he is done…..
May 15th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Just got done watching the NFL replay of all the games of week 9. (Chiefs home game)
Pretty lame that they spend 45 minutes on the morning games and 15 minutes on the afternoon game.
Only showed about 5 plays from scrimmage that weren’t ST plays, and a few notes.
-they show 1 McFadden run. KC had 7 in the box, Reece did a beautiful job, and a KC defender didn’t touch McFadden until he was 20 yards down the field. Brilliant job by our O-line and FB.
-The Barnes TD was another solid job by our O-line, but an even better ball-fake from Campbell. Well done Soup.
-That Nick Miller fumble on the punt could have been a season-ender. Glad he won’t be returning punts next year.
-Cassell finds Dwayne Bowe on MM34, and scorches him with such ease, that there is just no way MM34 can be considered a FS. It takes Mitchell longer to get out of his back-pedal than it probably takes Al Davis to get out of bed in the morning.
-The Jacoby Ford OT catch was amazing. Good throw, better catch.
May 15th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I can understand people being optimistic about the young talent we have on our Oline,but the way some say it looks more solid this year is premature.It is full of young ,new players and is definitely a wait and see group.
May 15th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
LOL
tj, you dont like name calling? Start with yourself my dude, take a look in the mirror, freakin hypocrite!
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Priesttj Says:
May 13th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Hey KK if you disagre man disagree your name calling brotha pisses me off
May 15th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Did someone really just say it’s ok for Al Davis to destroy the team, because it’s his team?
May 15th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
That’s ignorance at it’s best.
It’s not ‘Al’s house.
It’s an organization that answers to many.
From the league, to the networks, to the fans, to the players.
Anyone who says anyone has the right to destroy, or drag down a team, or organization, is, in their way saying “ya, he is making a whole slew of stupid decisions, but he’s the owner, so I will meekly go along, because I don’t have a backbone”
May 15th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
I think it’s time for another billboard on 880
May 15th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Yeah Dave the last one was so affective.
lol
May 15th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Al grew up in Brooklyn, slicked back hair, New york accent and a fine white suit. He is stuborn and stuck in his way.
Do I love the guy? Nope, but I do respect what he has accomplished.
I thought Al was starting to lose his mojo then looked at the 2010 draft:
ROMAC
Houston
Veldheer
Ford
Plus as an added bonus: Potential starter B. Campbell.
2011 draft Al signed off on 3 more potential starters
Wiz
Barksdale
D. Moore
Al has forgot more about football than I’ll ever know. I hope he can get one more SB and a new stadium before he passes.
May 15th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
“Just Win Baby!”
Everything else is just posture and noise.
May 15th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Thec,
What made D Moore drop to rd 4? Thanks.
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what Rd was JFORD taken in? Thanks…
May 15th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
MB, billboard goes up, humiliating Al. The following season, the Raiders are 8-8.
May 15th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
I say, keep with the billboards. Al acted like he didn’t care. But things changed after that billboard went up. First billboard got us to 8-8. Let’s see if a second one can get us to 10-6, and a playoff appearance.
May 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
“Al Davis, 8-8 is good. We’re not losers anymore! But it’s not enough. Hire a GM, now!!!”
May 15th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
What difference would it make to hire a GM when Davis owns the team???? Oh I know, the Raiders would hire and fire general managers faster than head coaches.
May 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
‘Sup fellas.
Vegas, you still around? Just finished reading through the thread and I don’t like you picking on my boy MM34 like that. lol.
Yes, he got beaten by Bowe badly for a TD in that KC game, but what the hell does that have to do with his ability to play FS?
That was obviously a busted coverage. Probably by the new 10 mil dollar man Stan Routte, who lined up in the slot vs. TE Moiake (SP?), leaving Mitchell essentially at outside corner covering KC’s #1 WR Dwayne Bowe at the LOS.
An obvious mismatch and blown coverage, that any QB would exploit. In fact the reason MM34 was so slow out of his back peddle was, that right up til the snap of the ball…he’s hopping up and down trying to get dumbazz Routte’s attention that he’s lined up in the wrong position and blown the coverage. Helllllooo.
So he was essentially covering up for Routte at CB. What FS is going to win that matchup? I don’t get the inference that he can’t play the Raiders’ single high FS. Would Vann McElroy have fared any better vs. Art Monk? Eddie Anderson vs Cris Carter? Eric Turner vs Jerry Rice? Stuey vs…..well, nevermind. Prolly not.
I wouldn’t discount the option of MM34 patrolling the deep secondary ala Jack Tatum. I think he’s got the speed and range to do it. But, that’s just my opinion. And maybe Big Al’s. We shall see.
P.S. His 2nd rnd pick butt needs to start somewhere, whether FS or SS…. I don’t care. He needs to be out there. Period.
May 15th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Buckeyeraider,
You were right on target. Routt jacked that up by not looking up and surveying the field.
Dwayne Bowe on Mike Mitchell 1-1 should NEVER happen!
He better be starting FULL TIME next year.
May 15th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
I have a question about the saftey position. Branch can hit, Mitchell can hit but whats up with all the negative Stevie Brown thoughts? I missed 3 games on TV last year…the 1st Donks game, Pitts and 49ers. Did I miss something that leads everyone to believe that Stevie is PS bound?
May 15th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Buck on that play you’re exactly right except one thing MM34 wasn’t playing FS he was playing SS. It’s rare that a FS gets caught in coverage if you watch Huff since he’s been a FS he rarely is in coverage unless it’s 4 wides or a bybrid formation. Like two TE’s or some innovative thing. He normally is playing single high which is the same as saying centerfield. The SS is in coverage on every pass play. if you think back when Huff was playing SS and Stu was the FS. Huff was always covering the TE because he was playing Strongside. The word free in free safety is exactly what it means free to roam and play the eyes of the QB which could dictate where he goes.
Watch a game, any game and you’ll see Huff is rarely man up on anyone. That’s teh responsibility of the free safety.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RFL No man they are high on SBrown and that is the reason I don’t see Huff back here they are stacked at the Safety position not that Huff wouldn’t halp if he stayed but it would cost Brown. Because Huff would more than likely get starter money. I really like Brown he is very instinctive and make splays when they are there to be made something that is a pet peeve of mine. He’s a natural FS IMO I could be wrong but I would let him play the QB PLUS he hits and brings his lunch pale. I see him playing a lot.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Priest,
I know that Mitchell has only played SS or more so “Big Nickle” at or near the LOS.
I was responding to an earlier post by JFB, where he said after watching the replay of the 1st KC game, that we could give up any notion of MM34 switching to FS this offseason.
He cited the TD pass to Bowe as evidence that Mitchell is too slow out of his back peddle to cover WR’s like Huff, and play the single high FS. I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gyst of it, I think.
I was just responding that, I thought it was a busted coverage and not fair to judge him by that play.
It’s my opinion that you get ANY safety lined up vs. the other teams # 1 WR at the LOS…that is a mismatch that any QB worth his salt will exploit, probably with about 90% success rate.
I think MM34 with his 4.43 speed and natural born instinct to hit any moving object in his path COULD excel in the role of enforcer in the Raiders deep secondary like the late, great Jack Tatum.
But, that’s just my opinion. Jerry doesn’t seem to think so, and neither does Vegas. I was just bustin his chops a little. All in good fun.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
OK Cool I tend to agree he could olay either position but I think Branch would be better served to play FS he struggles badly at times st the SS position he just can’t cover worth beans.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
350. Correct assessment of that KC play.
MM34 played FS at Miami of Ohio me thinks but that meant he’d have a steeper learning curve and adjustment to the bigs. Not sure if he’s there yet and pretty sure he’s NOT ready to play single high for the Oakland Raiders.
Who knows what our secondaries going to look like. Woodsen is a HOF’er but that doesn’t mean he can coach. We’ll all have to find together and see which or who responds.
Branch reminds me of Woodsen sometimes but faster. IF Branch can get his coverage down, we’re onto something.
If not, ugh? with Nnamdi and Huff gone, thats bad bad bews friends.
Things are NOT settled in the secondary by a long shot in Oakland
May 15th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Any thoughts on Jeremy Ware? I’ve seen some highlights on youtube and he looks to be a solid tackler. Not sure about coverage but he can hit.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
MM34 would be great at FS the kid could cut it loose then but the problem is he’s just as good at SS. That’s why I would put Branch at FS give him a chance to survey the field at single high and make an impact because we cannot afford another 10 TD passes given up at SS. Get him out of there.
You guys think single high is rocket science it’s not nearly as hard as it’s made out to be in here you just have to be instinctive and aggressive. Branch IMO can get it done at FS no prob.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
What’s happening Buck?
Yes, it could have been a busted coverage (nobody else seemed to be jumping around looking around except him, so either he was the only 1 who knew or he didn’t know what he was doing).
My point is that he looked abysmal in coverage. Bowe ran a simple post, and MM34 (busted coverage or not) was non-existant on the play. Up 4 with 7 minutes to go, I don’t want to see our future starting FS make Matt Cassel look like he is throwing passes in 7 on 7 drills.
In today’s NFL, with all these spread offenses and what not, Mitchell is going to have to cover someone, sometimes, whether it FS or SS.
If he plays it like he did Bowe IN THE MOST CRUCIAL POINT OF THE GAME, I am not too hopeful.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Problem is Al does what he does because he’s old, and stubborn.
Billboards are an unavoidable statement that everyone isn’t like this TJPriest guy, who bows down at the mere mention of Al’s name, and that some, even many, if not most are tired of the circus that surrounds Al Davis, and his loopy decisions.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
I for one was impressed with what I saw from Ware probably because i didn’t expect much. But he was a pleasant surprise, he didn’t embarrass himself. And he made a few plays he has decent ball skills as well. I was surprised.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
It’s just one play JFB don’t make soo much out of it. The kid played very well last year and you’re taking one play and killing the guy.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
R4L,
A GM could spot talent that Al can’t see. Al wouldn’t just fire him right away. Having one person upstairs that isn’t a total kiss ass would make a huge difference.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
It sounds to me like Davis’s ass kissers in here would rather the team lose than win with any help outside of Al’s leadership. You guys are a strange bunch.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
There are more than a few fans who are Raiders because of Al Davis…as long as hes around the wins/losses are secondary.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
DaveB Says:
May 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Problem is Al does what he does because he’s old, and stubborn.
Billboards are an unavoidable statement that everyone isn’t like this TJPriest guy, who bows down at the mere mention of Al’s name, and that some, even many, if not most are tired of the circus that surrounds Al Davis, and his loopy decisions
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I agree and disagree, Al was a miserable failure from 2002-2009. Now, look at the starters from the 2010 draft. Al signed off on some potential starters from the 2011 draft. If Hujax sticks around for a few years I will be exicited. But you just never know with AL.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
The end of the road could be near for McNabb
Posted by Mike Florio on May 15, 2011, 6:53 PM EDT
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In the wake of the latest one-two punch against Donovan McNabb — a fresh round of withering (albeit misguided) criticism from boxer Bernard Hopkins and a report that McNabb refused to wear a wristband containing the offensive plays last season in order to preserve his image — one writer who covered McNabb’s up-and-down tenure in Philly has offered up an intriguing take.
At a time when many assume McNabb will simply land with a new team for 2011, Geoff Mosher of DelawareOnline.com believes that McNabb career could be kaput.
“Perhaps there is no worse sign for McNabb than the fact that the Vikings, coached by former Eagles assistant Leslie Frazier, almost tore a biceps tendon reaching for Christian Ponder at 12th overall,” Mosher writes.
And then there’s this observation: “NFL teams are forever getting younger, more athletic and more coachable at the game’s most important position — not older, injury prone and with an ego the size of Texas.”
Though we’re not yet ready to drop a shovel of dirt on McNabb’s 12-year NFL career, it’s a possibility that we no longer would regard as shocking. McNabb will demand being installed as the Day One starter, and he’ll want the kind of financial package that inherently will demonstrate that the Eagles were wrong to trade him and that the Redskins were wrong to dismiss him. At this point, we can’t think of a team that will do it — and we can’t envision McNabb accepting any lesser terms in order to continue playing.
Much can change between now and whenever the lockout ends. But those changes possibly will have to come as much from McNabb’s view of his current abilities as they will from the needs of the teams who are trying to decide what to do at quarterback in 2011.
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PFT didn’t mention Oakland as a possible landing spot?
sweet! McNabb can go to Miami or Detroit to embarrass himself at the end of his career, like Daunte Culpepper
a Carson Palmer 4 Donovan McNabb straight up trade should be in the works if it isn’t already …
May 15th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Vegas,
You’re right. He got beat pretty soundly. I still don’t think you want a safety at the line in press coverage against the other teams No. 1 WR. That’s just asking for trouble. Whether it’s Mitchell or anybody else.
Unfortunately, I think Huff is gone, probably off to multiple pro bowls as a Cowpoke. Puke. I hope I’m wrong.
There is probably going to be a shake up in the secondary. Maybe Branch slides over to FS. Like Huff, he played some CB in college. Exclusively actually. Maybe he’d be a natural. I like Tyvon Branch, and hope he rebounds from a difficult season.
MM34 at 220 lbs has the size and tackling ability to thrive playing near the LOS at SS. He actually showed somne pretty good coverage ability against some top TE’s including Gates and Houston’s TE, too.
So, maybe that’s the way they go. I’m just saying, don’t discount the notion of AD having visions of sugarplums and his surprise 2nd rd pick, MM34 knocking the piss out of people in the role of enforcer in the deep secondary, dancing in his head. Maybe he’s right.
I guess that’s one of the intriguing training camp (if they have one) battles that we’ll have to watch.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
I REALLLLLLLY like MM34 as a SS, because he is such a sound, physical tackler in the box.
He just looks like a fish out of water in space and that doesn’t translate to our FS position.
May 15th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
MM34 would be great at FS the kid could cut it loose then but the problem is he’s just as good at SS. That’s why I would put Branch at FS give him a chance to survey the field at single high and make an impact
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Mitch & Branch will both start at safety. it’s up to Chuck B, Rod Woodson & Kevin Ross to play the right guy at which spot. Probably the guy with the best coverage ability will play FS because both as “in the box” SS types can lay the wood and knock you out cold
May 15th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
JFB,
does 1 play define a young players career?
if so… Jacoby Ford’s fumble cost us a win against J’ville late in the season so I guess he has ball security issues and shouldn’t be in the mix as a return man. Right?
May 15th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
I like Tyvon Branch, and hope he rebounds from a difficult season.
MM34 at 220 lbs has the size and tackling ability to thrive playing near the LOS at SS. He actually showed somne pretty good coverage ability against some top TE’s including Gates and Houston’s TE, too.
So, maybe that’s the way they go. I’m just saying, don’t discount the notion of AD having visions of sugarplums and his surprise 2nd rd pick, MM34 knocking the piss out of people in the role of enforcer in the deep secondary, dancing in his head. Maybe he’s right.
I guess that’s one of the intriguing training camp (if they have one) battles that we’ll have to watch.
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May 15th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
RRS,
How’s it going, man? In here kinda late aren’t ya? I didn’t think you posted, unless it was on the companies dime. lol. Welcome to the PM crew.
May 15th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
found this about brown
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1116715
May 15th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1272915
This on Mitchell
May 15th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
How’s it going, man? In here kinda late aren’t ya? I didn’t think you posted, unless it was on the companies dime. lol. Welcome to the PM crew.
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LOL @ Buckeye!
yeah bro. Usually spending time with the fam at this hour. time to put my 6 month old baby boy to bed in a few
just checking in to see all the Laker fans turned OKC fans blog chatter since they advanced today. I think Jhill is the only guy going for Dallas and thats because of Dirk Hasselhoff. Most other guys like Dakota are sittin on the couch sporting Durant jerseys
May 15th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
only 5 guys threw fewer INT’s than Jason Campbell last season:
Tom Brady
Big Ben
Mike Vick
Josh Freeman
Matt Cassel
not bad, eh?
May 15th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
time to log out. later gents!
see you in the AM
May 15th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Corrections are in order:
1. THE SS has to have better coverage skills than the FS! Who do you think covers the TEs in our division every year1?!?!?!?
2. My gosh man, crucifying a guy based on one play that more than likely wasn’t even his responsibility?!? Goddamn that’s ridiculous! …common sense would force you to ask what the hell is MM34 doing cover the #1WR in the 1st place???? That sht aint suppose to happen. Thats like asking a center to guard a shooting guard.
But please at least get the 1st one right. Sheez I’m tired of reading the FS needs to have the best coverage skills. ITS “COVER THE FIELD” not coverage skills the FS needs to be bette at!!!! Sheez!
May 15th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
G’night RRS.
Thanks for that link about MM34, Guy. That was a great read. He’s been a favorite of mine since he was drafted. The pick was ripped by the experts like Kiper and Mayock.
But, the kid is a player. He was a late riser. I don’t know how he fell through the cracks with the experts, but there is no way in hell there were 20+ safety prospects that were better than him that year. No way.
The Raiders got a steal, IMO. He started off a lil behind the eight ball because of the rule that kept him out of all the minicamps. Then a pulled hammy kept him out of all preseason. Probably kept him from a starting spot, which Branch claimed.
There were signs early on, that this kid was gonna be a player as a rookie. He’s got excellent timing and technique as a blitzer.
As Vegas pointed out, he had twice as many sacks as the first two drafted DE’s combined. lol.
He will come up and lay the lumber, too. That horrible game vs NYG where most other Raider defenders rolled over and died like dogs, MM34 came up and drilled Brandon Jacobs at the goalline. Took him on headon.
He’s got a better nose for the ball, and instincts to make plays, than he gets credit for, IMO.
People like to rave about Stevie Brown, and his instncts for being around the ball. No disrespect for Stevie…but MM34’s done it in the reg season. Tipped pass that was intercepted in endzone vs SD. Caused some fumbles and recovered others. All in limited playing time.
MM34 starts somewhere this year. Print that, as Rockstar would say.
May 15th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
i was at that game against the chefs and every1 was pissed at routt. mitchell was clearly NOT suppose to be on bowe and we all knew cassel was going there. if i remember it right routt was late running over to get bowe and thats when cassel snapped the ball to go to bowe. whatever the case may be i know mitchell wasnt suppose to be there. dont have to get into the fs/ss argument cuz its been well stated who covers who.
May 15th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
We need Jason Campbell to be our leader. He needs to get in the WR faces when they drop easy ball and on OLman faces when they blow an assignment. I want him to be like Tom Brady, where he screams and motivates his offense.
May 15th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
AL DAVIS SUCKS!!!
May 15th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
I’m hoping the longer Camp is here you’ll see his leadership more and more. What he’s doing this offseason is HUGE as he improves he’ll have the crediblity to do what you suggest without someone challenging him.
May 15th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Al does what he wants? Yeah, so do bums. There’s a barometer for success…
May 15th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
G’night fellas.
May 15th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Translation:
G’night fellas = let me switch to another screen name. brb
May 15th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Buckeye, I don’t know much about Mitchell except that he doesn’t arm tackle like Huff did early on. He will “Knock you the F_ _ K out.” I’m guessing that MM34 taught Romac that hit on Sproles.
May 15th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
DMAC will lead the league in rushing this season.
That is without a doubt!!
May 15th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
With that being a FACT we should make the playoffs.
Bush will also have 600+ yards from scrimmage throw in Taiwan
an some careful passing an stout defense. Were talk shhhh!!!!! I won’t say those two words!!
May 15th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Three headed monster a running back. Oooohhh man it’s gonna be exciting watch this tem play. Come on goodell getur stuff together
GIVE US FOOTBALL!!!
Or give us death!!!
May 15th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Be a pretty good team, how good depends on health. If we stay healthy we can be dangerous.
May 15th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 15th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Just got done watching the NFL replay of all the games of week 9. (Chiefs home game)
Pretty lame that they spend 45 minutes on the morning games and 15 minutes on the afternoon game.
Only showed about 5 plays from scrimmage that weren’t ST plays, and a few notes.
-they show 1 McFadden run. KC had 7 in the box, Reece did a beautiful job, and a KC defender didn’t touch McFadden until he was 20 yards down the field. Brilliant job by our O-line and FB.
-The Barnes TD was another solid job by our O-line, but an even better ball-fake from Campbell. Well done Soup.
-That Nick Miller fumble on the punt could have been a season-ender. Glad he won’t be returning punts next year.
-Cassell finds Dwayne Bowe on MM34, and scorches him with such ease, that there is just no way MM34 can be considered a FS. It takes Mitchell longer to get out of his back-pedal than it probably takes Al Davis to get out of bed in the morning.
-The Jacoby Ford OT catch was amazing. Good throw, better catch.
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Did you see the highlights from the Tenn-SD game? VY shredded SD’s D. The guy is getting better as a passer every year. Starting to believe the hype from that deep ball accuracy article last week. VY is deadly when ge goes downtown. Iff and when he is let go, he is easily the #1 FA QB on the market.
May 15th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Love that desparation Cain, the feeling is mutual.
May 15th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
That would be seond to Mark Bulger IMO Debo he is easily the most accurate QB in FA. He’s as accurate as Aaron Rodgers although not early as mobile.
May 15th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Bush had a 1st and 3rd round tender so hopefully the Raiders want him back. With a healthy DMAC and T. Jones in the line up……HOLY SHIZ.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
RAIDER Says:
May 15th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
AL DAVIS SUCKS!!!
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AL DAVIS has 3 Superballs! I believe, despite the numbers and facts, 3 Superballs are above average.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Did you see the highlights from the Tenn-SD game? VY shredded SD’s D. The guy is getting better as a passer every year. Starting to believe the hype from that deep ball accuracy article last week. VY is deadly when ge goes downtown. Iff and when he is let go, he is easily the #1 FA QB on the market.
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I’m not sure if he will fit into Al’s scheme. Remember Al’s last press conference? He said he is tired of dealing with head cases. I just don’t think that Vince Young is going to be a Raider. But who knows???
May 15th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
You look at the Rooneys…success throughout, only short slumps. Eddie Debartolo was solid his entire tenure as an owner. Then you have Al Davis. Good for the first 15 years, awful the next 25. You tell me.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
The same Rooneys who proclamimed “Steeler Nation”?
Fugg them, in football there is only one Nation.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
The point I’m making is that Al was only consistently successful as an owner for about 15 years, out of a 40 year span. He sucks.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
I’m drunk and bored so I will debate wtih you MR.
Look at the 2010 draft and the starters. HELLO?? AD. signed off on these guys. Now look at the 2011 draft with 3 more potential starters. AD is kickin azz and takin names.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
May 15th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Did you see the highlights from the Tenn-SD game? VY shredded SD’s D. The guy is getting better as a passer every year. Starting to believe the hype from that deep ball accuracy article last week. VY is deadly when ge goes downtown. Iff and when he is let go, he is easily the #1 FA QB on the market.
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I’m not sure if he will fit into Al’s scheme. Remember Al’s last press conference? He said he is tired of dealing with head cases. I just don’t think that Vince Young is going to be a Raider. But who knows???
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Not really thinking of him for the Raiders. It just amazes me that a guy like that is likely to be on the street. How can a guy like Kevin Kolb be considered a better player? VY is awesome.
May 15th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Debo, you still think that Jamarcus Russell is great. I’m not sure if I trust your QB judgment. All I can hope for is that JC can step up and the Raiders get a solid 2nd QB. Boller is not a #2.
May 15th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
May 15th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Debo, you still think that Jamarcus Russell is great. I’m not sure if I trust your QB judgment. All I can hope for is that JC can step up and the Raiders get a solid 2nd QB. Boller is not a #2.
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JR’s “failure” here is greatly exaggerated IMO. Wouldn’t say he’s great, but that he can’t be fairly evaluated with the situation he was handed here. Time will tell. JC will be fine. So will Boller as the #2.
May 15th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
MR,
So your saying if we ignore Al’s winning and only focus on his losing, he’ll suck?How convenient. You know why you cannot compare another GM’s 40 year career? Cuz they don’t have one.
May 15th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
407.8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 15th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
MR,
So your saying if we ignore Al’s winning and only focus on his losing, he’ll suck?How convenient. You know why you cannot compare another GM’s 40 year career? Cuz they don’t have one.
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Raider rein8 did it!! he ran MR outaaa here.
Ding dong the witch is gone.
The witch is dead
May 15th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Raiders for life, The Raiders haven’t had a winning season in nearly a decade, so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make bragging on Al’s recent draft pics. They’re still an incomplete. None of it matters till you win.
May 15th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
I would be ok with having Bulger as a #2 over Boller. I don’t even really like Boller all that much.
I think Oakland has everything intention of signing both Miller and Bush based off their first and third tenders. In a way, half of me want 2010 rules to apply so we can just tender Miller and Bush, but the other half wants a new CBA instead cuz some of the guys I want us to sign would be RFAs if the season was uncapped.
May 15th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
What I’m saying is that Al Davis was only consistently successful as an owner for about 15 out of the 40 years he’s owned the team. There’s nothing great or ingenious about that.
May 15th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
MR + Fat kidd = True love.
May 16th, 2011 at 12:00 am
I still hope it’s possible for us to re-sign Nnamdi. Maybe make DHB reneg. his contract to severely cut back his salary and make it more incentive-laden to give him more reason to perform better on the field.
May 16th, 2011 at 12:00 am
Raider 4 life, I’ll periodically leave this blog from time to time. I have never ran from a conversation in here, never will. Everything I say is fact based and I’m always willing to back it up, several times if need be.
May 16th, 2011 at 12:01 am
And on the score that Dowe had over MM34 in the first game, Routt was actually the one who was supposed to be covering him as MM34 was lined up in the end zone and Routt was standing with the LBers. MM34 was yelling at him trying to get him in position to cover Bowe….
May 16th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Wow, Demon Raider. That’s pretty detailed. Were you on the field? You do realize a lot of the “yelling” that goes on during games is staged, don’t you? They’re showing off for NFL flims, miked up, etc.
May 16th, 2011 at 12:04 am
I just remember that from when I saw the game….
May 16th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Whatever MR, I’ve heard that the Donks are looking for a glee club president.
May 16th, 2011 at 12:13 am
And….if you change your name to Sally, there is a spot on the Chargers.
May 16th, 2011 at 12:19 am
Hue at the Ward fight promoting the brand
May 16th, 2011 at 5:11 am
But please at least get the 1st one right. Sheez I’m tired of reading the FS needs to have the best coverage skills. ITS “COVER THE FIELD” not coverage skills the FS needs to be bette at!!!! Sheez!
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The point wasn’t his coverage skills, but his comfort zone and when he is at his best.
MM34 is clearly at his best, near the line of scrimmage, being physical, attacking the backfield on running plays, and he may be one of our best, if not THE best blitzer.
The few times he hasn’t looked so hot over the last couple of years, is when he is in space, and that Bowe play was just an example. I realize he shouldn’t have been covering Bowe on that one play, but I watched and rewinded it 10 times, and he looked EXTREMELY STIFF trying to backpedal and break on the ball.
MM34 needs to be a downhill player, around the LOS, where he has already proven to be effective, not drifting around 20 yards behind the play forced to move laterally, which he hasn’t proven to be able to do yet.
May 16th, 2011 at 5:23 am
Did you see the highlights from the Tenn-SD game? VY shredded SD’s D. The guy is getting better as a passer every year. Starting to believe the hype from that deep ball accuracy article last week. VY is deadly when ge goes downtown. Iff and when he is let go, he is easily the #1 FA QB on the market.
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Debo,
I’ll take my cue from you, and let the scouts decide on this one.
I do know that 54 combined TD’s to 54 career turnovers and missing games due to injury in 3 of 5 seasons isn’t going to help his FA cause.
I wouldn’t be suprised if VY is one of the last FA QB’s to sign somewhere.
As Hue Jackson said many times, two most important qualities for a QB are accuracy and leadership, which are not VY’s strengths. Even in that SD game you praise, he didn’t complete 50% of his passes.
May 16th, 2011 at 6:16 am
Good Morning Nation! Anything new besides Campbell?
May 16th, 2011 at 6:33 am
HEY HWNRDR,NOT MUCH HAPPINING AS USUAL..
May 16th, 2011 at 6:38 am
413.Demon Raider Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 12:00 am
I still hope it’s possible for us to re-sign Nnamdi. Maybe make DHB reneg. his contract to severely cut back his salary and make it more incentive-laden to give him more reason to perform better on the field.
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Agere- that we need to sign Nnamdi he is the best free agent out there and we already have him on the squad. Keep him!
Diagree – DHB will never restructure a first year contract. This may be his only shot right now. He may never develop, he won’t just leave money on the table.
Now a Manning, Brady, Nnamdi! Can do that but not a DHB and you really can’t blame him.
May 16th, 2011 at 6:41 am
422.Just Fire Baby Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 5:23 am
Did you see the highlights from the Tenn-SD game? VY shredded SD’s D. The guy is getting better as a passer every year. Starting to believe the hype from that deep ball accuracy article last week. VY is deadly when ge goes downtown. Iff and when he is let go, he is easily the #1 FA QB on the market.
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Debo,
I’ll take my cue from you, and let the scouts decide on this one.
I do know that 54 combined TD’s to 54 career turnovers and missing games due to injury in 3 of 5 seasons isn’t going to help his FA cause.
I wouldn’t be suprised if VY is one of the last FA QB’s to sign somewhere.
As Hue Jackson said many times, two most important qualities for a QB are accuracy and leadership, which are not VY’s strengths. Even in that SD game you praise, he didn’t complete 50% of his passes.
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Only if he comes dirt cheap and most likely not then but he will be a better back up then what we have now witht the exception of Grads if he stays.
May 16th, 2011 at 7:15 am
I’m going to start this off by saying I don’t think we should bring back Gradkowski, due to his inability to stay healthy.
I do find it interesting that out of almost all our FA’s to be, the only position we haven’t try to upgrade is the backup QB spot.
Granted when FA comes (if it does) than that will provide more opportunities to do so.
But Satele is a FA, so we draft Wiz. Gallery is gone, so we hurried to re-up Loper and have Bruce Campbell as a potential replacement. Nnamdi more than likely leaving, so we draft 2 DB’s in our first 4 picks.
As far as backup QB, we just have the two guys who Hue Jackson had lower on the depth chart last year than Bruce.
Being that Soup has played 16 games twice out of 6 years, and the Raiders haven’t had a QB play 16 games for us in almost 10 years, we need to bring in someone other than Boller as our primary backup. I would rather have Charlie Frye than Boller as the #2.
May 16th, 2011 at 7:44 am
There will be quite a few available QBs in FA. I dont think we bring back Gradkowski because I dont think they want ANY sort of a QB competition. I think you see us sign a Derek Anderson, Matt Lienart, Troy Smith calibur QB to specifically backup Soup.
May 16th, 2011 at 7:49 am
MM34 should be our starting SS, and if Huff doesnt’ come back, than Brown, Eugene and Branch can duke it out at FS.
May 16th, 2011 at 7:53 am
Matt Leinart would make sense, since Al supposedly wanted to draft him originally.
Derek Anderson is probably the best of the bunch you just listed, and has experience as a backup.
VY is kind of a starter or bust type of QB, he doesn’t bring as much value as a #2, doing the stuff that #2 QB’s are supposed to do.
May 16th, 2011 at 8:11 am
I think Leinart will end up back in Seattle with Carroll.
I wouldnt mind Anderson coming in to back up Campbell
May 16th, 2011 at 8:31 am
I would rather have Charlie Frye than Boller as the #2.
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Agreed.
May 16th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Derek Anderson is probably the best of the bunch you just listed, and has experience as a backup.
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No phuggin way!
May 16th, 2011 at 9:30 am
when asked in a radio interview yesterday if michael huff wanted to stay in oakland he responded “of course i want to stay there”
when al davis was prodded at the head coach announcement about the 30 or so free agents we had to worry about al responded “that number is way off, i don’t know where you get that information but that is not true”
just a hunch but i believe al already has some unspoken deals with his players. al is not as stupid as everyone thinks.
May 16th, 2011 at 9:33 am
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/gameunlimited/2011/05/13/michael-huff–michael-johnson–mike-sims-walker
May 16th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Corrections are in order:
THE SS has to have better coverage skills than the FS! Who do you think covers the TEs in our division every year1?!?!?!?
I’m tired of reading the FS needs to have the best coverage skills. ITS “COVER THE FIELD” not coverage skills the FS needs to be bette at!!!! Sheez!
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Terrapin,
you’re more concerned about TE’s than WR’s?
Tony Gonzalez & Shannon Sharpe aren’t in the AFC West anymore and Gates turns 31 years old next month, trying to overcome MAJOR injuries from last season
Correction: the guy who can COVER THE FIELD should start at FS. Mitchell or Branch. I don’t care who starts where. Chuck B & Rod Woodson will make that determination
May 16th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 5:23 am
Did you see the highlights from the Tenn-SD game? VY shredded SD’s D. The guy is getting better as a passer every year. Starting to believe the hype from that deep ball accuracy article last week. VY is deadly when ge goes downtown. Iff and when he is let go, he is easily the #1 FA QB on the market.
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Debo,
I’ll take my cue from you, and let the scouts decide on this one.
I do know that 54 combined TD’s to 54 career turnovers and missing games due to injury in 3 of 5 seasons isn’t going to help his FA cause.
I wouldn’t be suprised if VY is one of the last FA QB’s to sign somewhere.
As Hue Jackson said many times, two most important qualities for a QB are accuracy and leadership, which are not VY’s strengths. Even in that SD game you praise, he didn’t complete 50% of his passes.
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You say you’ll take your cue from me and then proceed to quote a bunch of stats. I think you’ve got the wrong guy. I trust my eyes when I watch games. You’re right about one thing though. VY is a starter in this league, not a backup. As far as the scouts are concerned, they got it right when he went #3 overall. We’ll have to wait and see what they have to say once football comes back.
May 16th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Goooo Lakers….
oh wait….shyyyyyt….never mind.
GOOOOO CUBS!
May 16th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Debo,
VY is fragile upstairs.
Veldheer-Loper-Wiz-Campbell-Barksdale O Line
DHB-Murphy-Ford-Schilens-Moore-Ausberry WR Corps
Saunders 600 page playbook
this guy would commit suicide by midseason!
stay away from Vince please. JCamp will do just fine anyways
May 16th, 2011 at 10:05 am
the Lakers are going to be the NBA’s version of the Cubs next season …
sham wow!
May 16th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Can a guy who threatens suicide when things go bad for him on the field really be a starting NFL QB?
May 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
RR
VY is fragile upstairs”
I tried telling that mindless dolt this very thing, many times but some people you just can’t reach.
And raider Deblow is one of those idiots who thinks she knows it all when she cant even grasp simple concepts like the one you pointed out.
May 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Debo,
VY is fragile upstairs.
Veldheer-Loper-Wiz-Campbell-Barksdale O Line
DHB-Murphy-Ford-Schilens-Moore-Ausberry WR Corps
Saunders 600 page playbook
this guy would commit suicide by midseason!
stay away from Vince please. JCamp will do just fine anyways
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He’s kind of a weird dude, but the whole “weak mentally” media BS is just that. The guy is a kick-ass player. Gave our D fits. Not saying he should come here though. JC deserves to be the guy here.
May 16th, 2011 at 10:13 am
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/05/15/1198586/newton-can-cash-in.html#ixzz1MWNiogtx
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It’s good to be Cam.
May 16th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Two things you don’t have a clue about dmfck:
1. Football
2. VY’s mental state
May 16th, 2011 at 10:17 am
the tampa bay buccaneers turned down Hard Knocks. a while back the Raiders were on the list of interested parties. would be cool to see hue barking orders. but it would be ironic the raiders finally get something like hard knocks when there might not be workouts lol
May 16th, 2011 at 10:18 am
RaiderDebo Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Two things you don’t have a clue about dmfck:
1. Football
2. VY’s mental state
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SilverDumbass
May 16th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Calm down there little woman I think everyone here but you is in agreement that VY is a head case.
Also VY doesn’t have the arm strength that our owner covets in QB position.
BTW I have forgot more about football than your little brain can retain.
VY = bust
Cam Newton = Jamarcus part 11
Deal with it and stop crying like a douche.
May 16th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Cant see us on Hard Knocks. I just cant see Al giving that kind of media access.
May 16th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Word out was that Donovan McNabb won’t land anywhere soon. I wouldn’t mind seeing him come in as a #2 QB and possible mentor for a developmental QB prospect yet to be named.
May 16th, 2011 at 10:56 am
If Donovan McNabb winds up in Oakland you can bet your sweet a$$ he beats out Campbell for the starting job. I dont buy the ‘he is washed up’ crap because of one crappy year in Washington. I watched him play in the game where Vick absolutely torched their defense and McNabb looked fantastic. Its not his fault his defense allowed Vick to hang 59 points on them.
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