More from Camp Seymour
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, May 24th, 2011 at 8:46 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Note: I thought this had posted hours ago . . . assuming it’s operator error (my fault).
Notes and quotes as supplied by correspondent Ben Beitzel of the Gwinnett Daily Post at the Raiders’ passing camp in the Atlanta area:
– The Raiders practiced at nearby Buford High School. Chip Smith, director of Competitive Edge Sports, said defensive tackle Richard Seymour was the force behind the camp.
“Richard is a friend of ours who we’ve known over the years,” Smith said. “He came to me and said, `I would really like to run some team-led OTAs here in Atlanta and would likeyou guys to organize that for us in conjunction with Jason Campbell.’
Smith said Seymour assumed financial responsibility and planning has been going on for over a month. Seymour presided over the defense during light, non-contact scrimmages and Campbell the offense with an assist from Kyle Boller.”
– The workouts were described as something more than half-speed lolly-gag affairs. The CES staff conducted drill work with players and there were lengthy sessions working with ropes and weights.
Smith said Seymour’s instructions were “to get more intense, to show the public we are serious about getting in shape and showing up in shape.”
– Quotes from Richard Seymour:
“We just wanted to give Atlanta a little taste of the Raiders. It’s been great. It’s a great turnout. The guys are excited. We can’t control what’s going on with the NFL lockout, but we wanted to come out and be able to run some drills and do it in an organized fashion. We wanted to make sure it was organized and first class.”
“We needed to get together. I understand the fans’ frustration with the lockout and we want to play as much as they want us to play. But when the lockout is lifted we want to make sure we’re ready to go. Any time we can come out and develop the chemistry with our teammates. I haven’t seen most of these guys since we played our last game at the beginning of January. It’s a good opportunity to get them in the south, get them some of that southeast heat and I think that’s going to benefit us once the season comes.”
“I think we made huge strides last season, but obviously not making the playoffs is a huge disappointment. But there is only one happy team at the end of the year. I know there are a lot of Falcons fans down here, but we want to make it a Raider Nation.”
– Middle linebacker Rolando McClain said the there was little in the way of in-depth scheme.
“We didn’t really work in depth on plays,” McClain said. “It’s more just for a feel of the game. Just see some plays and get the feel of football instead of the feel of facation for the last four months. Just to get back in a football-type environment.”
Even losing much of the offseason, McClain hopes to have momentum going into his second year.
“I feel like my second year can be a lot better than my first year so it kind of sucks not to be able to be around football for so long,” McClain said. “It feels good to bget out there and do something with the team but it is what it is.”
– Bruce Campbell lined up at right tackle during scrimmage situations rather than at right guard, where lined up situation. It sounded as if it was more to re-acquaint himself with playing outside than some sort of mandate about a position change.
“I am going to practice both positions, but I am giong to practice moreso at tackle because I haven’t done it in a year,” Campbell said.
– Rookie cornerback DeMarcus Van Dyke said he received an e-mail about joining his new teammates from fullback Marcel Reece.
“It was good to see the guys, to put names with faces and get the vibe from different guys,” Van Dyke said. “There was a learning curve, but it was pretty much man (coverage) like we did at Miami. But I had to get up to game speed. You have fast guys like Heyward-Bey, Jacoby Ford, Louis Murphy. All those guys can run so I was just learning how those guys run routes.”
Van Dyke and Stefan Wisniewski were among the rookies attending. Taiwan Jones also was present, according to his Twitter account.
– Jason Campbell has had Heyward-Bey, Ford and Murphy staying at his home in Virginia as they attempt to get their timing down and was glad to change the venue to Atlanta.
“They’ve been staying at my house in D.C. and I was ready for them to go,” Campbell said. “It was costing me too much money a week to feed these guys.”
Campbell was enthused by the level of conditioning he saw.
“You can see a lot of the guys have been working out, a lot of guys are in great shape already,” Campbell said. “The main thing is building camraderie, seeing each other gain, keeping the unity we were seeing at the end of the season going. The other thing is seeing some plays, running and lifting weights and running some actual plays.”
Campbell said “all the guys that were restricted or unrestricted were here. You can’t ask for anything better.”
Note: There was no roster of players provided and players wore no uniform numbers or helmets, making it difficult to make identifications for media members who weren’t familiar with the Raiders.
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May 24th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
I think this is wonderful news. No other first rounder this year is going to be doing something like this for their team, plus bringing this much leadership, not to mention what he has already done the past couple seasons. Seymour is worth the trade and I would do it all over again if I was AL. For someone to fork out from his own pocket the money to cover something like this is just plain and simple a true classy professional and a real man. In a sense, he is putting back money into the company that paid him all that money in the first place. How many people do you know that would do something like that. An event like this wasn’t cheap I bet, and even if he had some help from others, still he gets most if not all the credit by my book.
Thank you Seymour, for giving it your all and showing the young guys what a true leader and man is. And thank you Al for bringing him in, with all your bad choices recently, this is one that you should brag about.
Here’s to a new Raiders team, a winning Raiders team. As always, GO RAIDERS!
Oh, and don’t want to forget JC. Good job showing the players and fans that you are serious about this and at least trying to be the leader of the offense. That’s more than we are used to seeing from QBs around here in a while.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
As I said on the last thread I’ve never seen leadership on the scale that Seymour is displaying.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
had Russell done half of what Camp is doing the fans would’ve embraced him. No matter his struggles he just refused to lead…
May 24th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Guess you havnt seen what Brees is doing leadership wise in New Orleans then eh Priest?? Or most NFL cities for that matter. Seymour isnt doing anything that every other team is doing
May 24th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 24th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
As I said on the last thread I’ve never seen leadership on the scale that Seymour is displaying.
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I guess Gene Upshaw was before your time.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I’ve seen it all….from eevry team that’s doing it. I’ve never seen a All-Pro vet show up on a rookie bus and start training camp with the rookies and FA to doing what he does in the lockeroom to spearheading events like this on his own dime. It’s his comprehensive leadership not just one outstanding event.
King Richard has gone out and taken a stand for this organization as if he’s on some mission meant for him. I’ve just never seen it before on this scale. It’s NOT business with him it’s PERSONAL!!
May 24th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
You’re such a clown!
May 24th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Several were and i saw what Gene did, many think those teams were Snakes teams but they Gene’s teams. When Gene spoke they listened same as RayLew in Balt.
But this is different…….it’s as if Richard has strapped this org. to his back and dragging it to a championship level. I’m certain the owner has put bugs in his ear but still no one I can think of has done thingst to the level he has.
Remember this is a guy who has “THREE CHAMPIONSHIPS” he’s not some guy starving to win he’s already won big. This is personal for him, it’s something he wants for HIMSELF and the organization. JMHO!!!
May 24th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Would you say that to my face?
May 24th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Or are you some cyber tough guy?
May 24th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
If you don’t like what I say don’t read it….
May 24th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Bootlicker!
May 24th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Davis favors players whose most striking attribute is raw speed and obscure players whom he has discovered. Three examples are tight end Andrew Glover, a Raiders starter the past two seasons who caught only 10 passes as a senior at Grambling; defensive back Dan Land, a converted running back with excellent speed: and defensive back James Trapp, who won the NFL’s Fastest Man competition in 1995.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
You are a COWARD!!
May 24th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
According to one former assistant, Davis would use film sessions to criticize play-calling. During reviews of plays that failed, Davis would solicit an opinion from a coach who wasn’t involved in the call, and that assistant would have no choice but to criticize his coworker.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
I’ll just ignore anything you write from this day forward………You and all the rest of the haters.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
I’m convinced this is you, TJ:
But Davis’s abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
When it comes to the Raiders and the past 8 or 9 years, we have not seen leadership like this in that long. This is great for the team and it really seems like we are heading in the right direction.
Whether this is personal for Seymour or not, I don’t know. But I’m sure he would love to be known as the guy that “lead” the Raiders back to respectability if not a championship. And that is not that far off if we keep doing what we are doing.
We still need someone like that in the offense side of the ball, and if Campbell can take that roll and play it well, then I’m all for it. If not, then let somebody else step up, or go find him via FA.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
EMR yeah I couldn’t be more pleased with what I’m seeing from Richard, he is someone this org. desparately needed. And it certainly seems they got the right guy. I gaurantee Mr Davis couldn’t have imagined someone he brings in as a FA taking charge at this level. It’s amazing to watch and it bodes well for the silver and black.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Also I think Camp is doing a very fine job of his own having the rec’s stay at his home. Man I am extremely happy about that guy as the QB for this team. Not because he’s such a great player but because of his professionalism. Damn we needed that and the two of them at the same time. It’s exciting to watch.
May 24th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
CAMP SEYMOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 24th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
For what Campbell has done this offseason so far, you can say he is at least trying. Now if he can translate that effort to the field, we might have something. Though he does handle himself like a professional. At least from what we can see.
I just hope that some of us fans are not getting worked up simply because it has been so long since we have seen this type of effort from players with the big checks.
I admit I do say this every offseason, but I have a good feeling about this year. lol…
May 24th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
CAMP SOUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 24th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
EMR feeling good about the season is normal optimism same as any fan of any team. You always want that it’s rare when you wont no matter how bad a team is.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
All I wanna know was Nnamdi at Camp Seymour? Didn’t think so. Not good. Al better start spending his money on fire trucks because the secondary is gonna get burnt.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
So far, so good. But, Al Davis can always fk it up.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Go Raiders the lock out could be a good thing…..depending how long it lasts they normally wouldn’t have this time to gain team chemistry…not team sanctioned.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Al Davis needs to recommit himself to his ‘commitment to excellennce’ and his ‘pride and poise’ and get his mind right and get Nnamdi back. PERIOD……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
May 24th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Nnamdi has to want to come back, if he does he will……………period
May 24th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
In the recent past, a majority of the players wouldn’t have cared or participated. Players were individuals with individual agendas. Bringing in a proven successful veteran like Seymour was a brilliant move. Getting him for a single first round pick was a steal in my opinion. I know some in here won’t give AD credit for anything except losses. That’s not right. Sure AD has, in many of our opinions, made some very questionable decisions. The Seymour deal definitely wasn’t one of them. AD’s decision to give up on JaLoser and bring in JCampbell was the right decision too. We needed JaLoser out of here. He personally hurt this team more than AD has in this last decade. JCampbell may or may not prove to be the QB we have been looking for. Personally, I think he’s going to do just fine. We still need a #2 QB and I’ll throw my vote in for Troy Smith. I wanted to go after him last year but the timing wasn’t right.
The Raiders are going to be a Playoff team this year. AD significantly improved the coaching staff; added some new blood in the O-line, signed some key Raider FA’s, and he still may surprise us with Nnamdi.
All in all, I’m optimistic about the upcoming year, assuming there is a year. I put my money where my mouth is at. See you all at the game: Sect 240-14-14.
GO RAIDERS!
May 24th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Raider new defense schemes with out Nnamdi:
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Prevent Torch Cover 1 Cover All (man to man, 10 to 30 yards off the line)
No 7 on 11 (every one does their part)
Cover 9 (2 man rush on obvious passing downs)
5 Alarm Blitz (rush 9 on 3rd and longs)
Corner Trip Chop Kick 4 (break the rules with no flags)
R2-D2 (Raiders have high pitched buzzers the can covertly stuff into the helmet ear holes of opposing players to disorientate and confuse them)
May 24th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Good job JB, I’m excited man. I also like the fact that DVD actually showed up as did TJ it just sets the tone for their careers not just this season.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Troy Smith?? What the hell has he ever done in the NFL? No way in H E LL Al Davis brings in Troy Smith….
Jason Campbell is not a playoff team QB. He may be a good guy but that dont mean hes a good QB.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Hi Raider fans! Its been a while since I’ve posted, but I try to keep up with whats being said, except maybe when the posts get up over 1000 on a thread.
Really pleased with the leadership of Seymour and Campbell. Pretty much in total agreement with JB in #30. I’m hopeful about this season, lets just get this stupid lockout done.
Godspeed Raiders!!!
May 24th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
If schilens is at this camp he should be immediately cut
May 24th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Dan Land Says:
May 24th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Troy Smith?? What the hell has he ever done in the NFL? No way in H E LL Al Davis brings in Troy Smith….
Jason Campbell is not a playoff team QB. He may be a good guy but that dont mean hes a good QB.
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Your opinion Dan. We just don’t happen to agree.
Troy Smith? Heisman Winner; has been on the bench learning a craft; experience & history with HuJack and a born leader.
Both JCampbell & Troy Smith have the same track record as Gannon when he was brought in. Who knows, lightening could strike twice or even three times, who knows. I think you’d agree that both are better choices than Boller.
JCampbell is as qualified to be championship QB as any other. Only time will tell. This will be his first year with almost the same offensive scheme to run. Hopefully, the O-line will be just that much better this year. It should be a good year.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Troy Smith-what a joke.We have a back-up QB.What we need is a young guy to try and bring along for the future.What the hell is the fascination with a bum like Smith.Simpletary tried to GIVE him the job in SF last year and he couldn’t even keep it over A.Smith.Raise your standards.Troy Smith isn’t any good.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Troy Smith’s time in SF means nothing. The Niner’s were a disaster and not due to the players. Smith has nothing to deserve the title of bum. You may not like him for a number of perceived reasons but we really haven’t seen what he can do. With the exception of Stabler, I can’t think of another developed QB we’ve been successful with. All of our better choices have come as a result of taking someone else castoffs and given them a team to play with. Plunkett, Gannon, etc. all fit than mold. I think Soup will do well and I would expect Smith to thrive here also given the coaching & opportunity.
May 24th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Looks like everyone went home. I guess I had the last word. G’night all.
May 24th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
how can u not like what is going on here? now we just have to wait for lamar houston to get his luggage so he can be there. we also need to remember that shaughnessy and trevor are still rehabbing their injuries or they would be there 2. get this damn lockout over with so we can get to football!
May 24th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
JB Troy Smith is just a bit too short for my taste. I’ve read many who wnat him state his college career but I’ve watched him and been very hopeful for him but I haven’t seen anything to make me say yeah I like this guy. He’s sort of like Gradkowski to me with a strong arm. If we got him OK, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to get him.
I would like to add a guy on the downside of his career who’s DONE it to backup Camp. And then get a young very talented kid with great upside to groom.
Quite frankly I like to keep Grads as a backup and then draft and young very talented kid to groom.
May 24th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Armond do you know who’s there and who isn’t I haven’t seen a list or roster?
May 24th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Sorry,JB I don’t agree at all.He has been given more opportunities than most young QBs get and hasn’t proven to be any good.His time in SF sure the hell does mean something.He was given the reins and he couldn’t hold on to them.He is not an NFL caliber QB.BTW,plenty of Heisman QBs haven’t succeeded in the NFL,he isn’t the first and won’t be the last.
May 24th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
A lot of people swear by that kid Lefty12 but he just doesn’t WOW me at all.
May 24th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Yea,because he is an ex-Raven I guess.Some people on here seem to think the Ravens are the end all of all things football with their 1(one) SB trophy.
May 24th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
I know Lefty12 they tend to get that way about whoever is winning. Same ole same ole….
May 25th, 2011 at 4:14 am
Troy Smith had 6 starts last year.
Three of those 6 (half his f’n starts) he posted a worse QB rating than what Bruce did against Miami.
Uhhhhh…….no thanks.
May 25th, 2011 at 4:24 am
Alex Smith on the other hand, only had 1 of 11 starts with a worse QB rating than 63.5
May 25th, 2011 at 5:46 am
I think they should have called it Camp Buford.
May 25th, 2011 at 6:14 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
That is good news to hear that these guys areworking on their chemistry together! I hope this lockout gets lifted soon! Go Raiders!!!
May 25th, 2011 at 6:43 am
Here is a link to the source:
http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/sports/headlines/Raider_Nation_comes_to_Gwinnett_122545969.html
May 25th, 2011 at 6:44 am
No on Troy Smith, Yes on Campbell at this time…
May 25th, 2011 at 7:13 am
Seymour’s plans include team meals and time on Lake Lanier, making this camp as much about football as it is about building a team.
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Easily the most important part of this camp this week.
J Hill nevers want to admit it, but these BBQ’s and hanging out on the lake mean a lot.
That shat counts when you are down late in the game, on the road in December, fighting for a playoff spot. You want guys to REALLY, REALLY care about winning as a team and not letting each other down, not just logging a 6 tackles,1.5 sacks and call it a good day, win, lose or draw.
May 25th, 2011 at 7:15 am
“They’ve been staying at my house in D.C. and I was ready for them to go,” Campbell said. “It was costing me too much money a week to feed these guys.”
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lol
If he thought they ate a lot, I wonder how he would have felt had Langston Walker, Mario Henderson and John Henderson been staying with him.
May 25th, 2011 at 7:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 25th, 2011 at 7:13 am
Seymour’s plans include team meals and time on Lake Lanier, making this camp as much about football as it is about building a team.
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Easily the most important part of this camp this week.
J Hill nevers want to admit it, but these BBQ’s and hanging out on the lake mean a lot.
That shat counts when you are down late in the game, on the road in December, fighting for a playoff spot. You want guys to REALLY, REALLY care about winning as a team and not letting each other down, not just logging a 6 tackles,1.5 sacks and call it a good day, win, lose or draw
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Exactly, You feel more accountable when you give a sheet about the guy next to you.
May 25th, 2011 at 7:40 am
G’morning fellas.
Vegas, Hairy..you guys are dead on. While it’s good to see JC’s sweat soaked shirt and that the guys are woking hard…the biggest benefit from events like this is team building. Comradrie. BBQ’s and fishing trips are equally important.
We talked about this last year, when Cable organized the bowling trip during camp. A lot of people grumbled about camp cupcake, and were mocking it. I said no, this type of bonding will pay dividends. The best teams are the close-knit teams. Where players have each others back and are accountable to one another.
I’ve read Stabler and Tooz and Maddens books. They all talk about how close those teams were. They had fun together. They played hard both on and off the field. I’ve seen footage of Marv Hubbard sitting there with a giant icepack on his head and blood trickling from a gash on his face..and him saying: “When you’re a Raider..you’re part of a family. You played hurt, you played hard, because you didn’t want to let the other guys down.”
That’s the type of atmosphere they’re trying to rekindle. Good for them.
May 25th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Just as long as the visit on the Lake doesn’t turn out like the one in Minny a few years ago.
May 25th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Team comradarie means nothing if the talent level is low. Unfortunately this Raider club is short on talent whwn yuou break it down without Raider colored glasses on….
QB- Below AVG
RB- Good
WR- Among worst in NFL
TE- Good
OL- Below AVG
DL- Good
LB- Below AVG
DB- Bad
ST- Good
May 25th, 2011 at 7:49 am
LOL. Vegas.
It wouldn’t be a Raider event if strippers weren’t involved. At least in the good old days.
Hopefully these guys have enough sense to rent a private charter boat.
Don’t need strippers going down on players in front of the horrified Jones family. lol.
May 25th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Good Lord, I didn’t know the Warriors got Jerry West!!!!!!!!!!!
May 25th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Kk 31 other teams to hate on, and all you can do is hate on the raiders and their fans. What a racist dic licking scumbag. Why like the raiders? They hate ur azz!!!
May 25th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Dan Land
you are crazy what we always have had is talent but no direction no guidance or any one to mold it either qb average ol play was average u cant be top 3 rushing team with below average ol everything else is correct
May 25th, 2011 at 8:08 am
the vikings are just stupid to have had it at a dock in the first place go to a private area or something get curtains or something or you want to get caught
May 25th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Yes Kell…..jerry west brings credibility and we also are interested in Kevin McHale. Bet ya draft and freee agency moves will make sense. Warriors are scrapping that uptempo garbage and will play half court ball. Bye Monta
May 25th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Kell,
I was reading through last night’s thread, and you’ve got me confused.
For years, all I’ve heard about is Al Davis’ heavy handed managerial style. His overbearing, meddling dictatorship forcing his outdated schemes down every coach and coordinators throats.
Now he has a wishy-washy managerial style? Just rolling with the changing tides and fads? Zone blocking one day, WCO the next.
Which one is it? Does he let his coaches coach and implement their own schemes or not?
May 25th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Dan Lame is an idiot. Qb is not below average. That is a damn lie. LB are average. Dline above average. DB are average. The oline automatically improves with Wylie as coach and going to a power scheme with more tougher players. Dan Lame is RaiderRhonda, just scum who is LA trash and misrepresents SoCali faction bad
May 25th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Buckeye
Let me splain it to ya. Because he’s in his 80’s and feeble minded, he recognizes he need’s help. He hires the latest fad on offense, a inexperienced guy, but never relinquishes control of the Defense or the Draft.
Ergo, The Team has been rudderless, and now after one of their best years in years, with a chance to make the palyoffs, they are in the process of rebuilding their O-Line & Secondary.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Buckeye dont use logic with Kell it will only confuse him
May 25th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Anybody listening to the President’s speech in Parliament?
May 25th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Kell, you telling me we should keep the same oline and scheme when it was obvious it couldnt beat a stout dline?
May 25th, 2011 at 8:20 am
When has Campbell EVER played at a level anywhere near good in his career? He is NOT a quality NFL QB.
DBs a nowhere near avg w/out 21′
Like I said, this is the state of the roster, WITHOUT Raider colored glasses on.
Oh, and I dont live in LA. LOL. What a tool
May 25th, 2011 at 8:23 am
No Kell we dont wanna hear anymore about his New World Order plan…..he did say that right?
May 25th, 2011 at 8:25 am
As much as you like to talk, I suggest you do some reading.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Campbell is a starter in the NFL and played decent enough to lead us to 7-5 record. TD to Int ratio always been good. He is mobile and can make every throw. The secondary is fine without Nnamdi. You moron we have won games without his overrated ass. Front 7 play is biggest key. Yes you aree from LA raiderrhonda…..u cant fool me with your bs…..rosy colored glasses? Lol that iis Rhonda to the core
May 25th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Kell i have done my share of reading, that is exactly why Im on to you boy BO so tough. I’m not fooled as the other village idiots. NEW WORLD ORDER is his plan as said in germany a few years back
May 25th, 2011 at 8:32 am
When has Campbell EVER played at a level anywhere near good in his career? He is NOT a quality NFL QB.
so you would rather have Miami’s qb’s buffalo’s qb’s jimmy clausen san fran’s qb’s Arizona’s qb’s or our average jason campbell
May 25th, 2011 at 8:34 am
This assh@le taking trips while the lives of Americans get worse by the day lol
May 25th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Everyone loves Rich Gannon so much but from 87 to 98 he was what? Lay off JC. People have a deep rooted vendetta against JC for what reason i dont know
May 25th, 2011 at 8:40 am
I wonder what shuck n buck dance that clown BO did for Parliament after his bs speech
May 25th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Kell,
The O-line and secondary are both in need of possibly being rebuilt..mainly because of free agency and the uncertainty of the CBA.
AD is trying to cover his bases as best he can. Huff and Nnamdi are FA’s. Huff might have gotten tagged, except for the Wimbley contract fiasco. He has maintained he wants to return. Depends on if somebody else blows him away with an offer.
Because of his contract, Nnamdi cannot be tagged. AD has payed him very well. Other owners have grumbled. He cannot continue to pay him like Peyton and Brady. Bad business. Hopefully #21 wants to stay in NoCal, but the ball is in his court.
Gallery, Satele, Henderson..et al are all FA’s. Supposedly Walker is contemplating retirement. Coop is aging.
He has payed Gallery very wall, also. Robert apparently wants more than they think he’s worth. He can’t stay healthy.
So Davis has been trying to bring in thir replacements if nesc. Hence, the drafting of BCampbell, Wiz and Barksdale.
That’s fairly sound GM work, for a feeble minded 80 year old, IMO.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Campbell is going to shock us this yr if we get a possession wr he will be great if we get names like b.edwards s.holmes chad johnson plaxico burress maybe maybe even T.O.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Buckeye
They changed O-Line coaches & Defensive Coordinator, along with the customary coming and going of players every year.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Gallery had enough of the O-line coaching merry-go-round.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:52 am
I cannot believe the Lakers are giving Mike Brown that job and that money, who’s making these decisions in Laker land?
I’m hoping West can get Brian Shaw here or someone who’s got some serious ability to get the W’s to the next level.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:53 am
These guys are all square as a pool table, and twice as green: BCampbell, Wiz and Barksdale.
May 25th, 2011 at 8:54 am
This is the kiss of death but here it goes -
I like where the team is heading and I like “King Seymour” more and more! I think JC needs and deserves another chance, I’m standing behind my team (as always) but with a lot more pride than I have had in years! Lock out stinks but there’s nothing we can do but wait it out. I like the rookies coming in I think they just have to be an upgrade (Barring the 2010 team) Just think where we were 3-4 years ago. We are miles away from that mess.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Maybe another smooth 20 ft jumper will make us feel better eh BO?
May 25th, 2011 at 9:04 am
jasus,
I live in Buford but can’t get over to see them at my kids school. Aughghghghghghghg
May 25th, 2011 at 9:04 am
No we had enuff of gallery. He is awful
May 25th, 2011 at 9:08 am
I think bringing “King Richard” in is looking like a stroke of genius. Mr Davis couldn’t have anticipated this sort of impact. As I said last nite I’ve never seen anything like it from a drafted player, let alone a FA who’s won as much as Seymour has won. It seems as if it’s personal as much as anything.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Kell what new dance has BO invented before Parliament?
May 25th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Kell any explanations for your oline BS?
May 25th, 2011 at 9:13 am
It’s not fair to blame Al for getting snagged on that 30% rule, either. That must be a new or fairly obscure rule that seemingly caught a lot of GM’s off guard.
Somebody posted a link to an article that mentioned players all over the league who’s re-signing had been complicated because of it. Seems like it was Lamarr Woodley, Haloti Ngata and Darnell Docket amongst many others.
Not just Huff and Wimbley. Seems like the Raiders kinda got hosed on the Wimbley deal, though. They had no intention of franchising him. They had an extension in hand.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Priest,
What EXACTLY is “King Richard” doing that someone onn every other team in the league isnt doing? I mean seriously bro, its nice to see but its not anything special.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:15 am
In Kell’s mind we should keep same oline that gets punked by better front 7s lol
May 25th, 2011 at 9:15 am
I think bringing “King Richard” in is looking like a stroke of genius. Mr Davis couldn’t have anticipated this sort of impact. As I said last nite I’ve never seen anything like it from a drafted player, let alone a FA who’s won as much as Seymour has won. It seems as if it’s personal as much as anything.
i agree but until we get deep in the post season i will hold off on the king richard talk but i got serious respect for him
May 25th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Al better start spending his money on fire trucks because the secondary is gonna get burnt.
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LOL @ Excel comment #25!
CJ37-Mitchell-Branch-Routt will be fine as long as we stuff the run & rush the passer
If we can’t stop the run, it won’t matter if guys like Asomugha & Huff are retained because we’ll finish no matter than 8-8 (again)
and if a QB has all day to throw, even #21 & #24 can get picked on. It doesn’t have to be with a Superstar QB or a Superstar WR, either. Coverage breaks down with time
it’s up to the Defensive front seven to take care of business. Rod Woodson & Kevin Ross will have the DB’s prepared – Print That. fax it to Raiders HQ
May 25th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Damn Lame….u missed yesterday’s riveting convo when MR said all players who stay in shape are scabs lol
May 25th, 2011 at 9:19 am
RRS is right……again
May 25th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Dallas will close out the series tonight and Miami will do the same tomorrow night.
this will be a very tough NBA Finals!
I like it
May 25th, 2011 at 9:23 am
125+ dead
400+ injured
still 1500 people missing & unaccounted for in Joplin, MO
dang…
May 25th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Rocker,
That secondary you laid out is one of the worst in football. How the hell can you actually look at it any other way? Routte is decent but the rest of those guys are fringe NFLers. I am always amazed at how much Raider fan ovverattes players that happen to where SnB.
If you would hav asked ANYONE on this blog about Jason Campbell 2 years ago it would have been a 99% ”hes a bum” vote. Now that hes a Raider, ALL THE SUDDEN hes good. LOL. Funny stuff
May 25th, 2011 at 9:33 am
i cant wait to see these jerk offs resolve this make money and f_ucking share your all rich
May 25th, 2011 at 9:38 am
RRS,
Nobody seems to acknowledge the fact that Oak was second in the league with 47 sacks. That from a D that doesn’t blitz much.
They had twiceas many sacks as the feared Baltimore Ravens who only had 20 something, with 11.5 of those from Suggs.
The Raiders don’t have one dominant rusher, that teams can gamepan for, Theirs are spread evenly amongst Seymour, Kelly, Shonasty and Houston. With Wimbley moving to rush ends on 3rd down.
They should only get better this year, IMO. Houston should even improve on his rookie year.
Plus, I really like what I saw of Jarvis Moss late in the season. That was a nice pickup. He’ll make a nice rotational, situational pass rusher. He was badly miscast as an OLB in Denver’s 3-4 disaster.
He was the ringleader of Floridas athletic d-line that terrorized heisman winner Troy Smith and my high scoring Buckeyes in the Nat’l Champ. Uggh.
He looks good in S&B, though. Hope they resign him.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:47 am
My concern is the O-line last year we were 2nd in the league in rushing yards but gave up a lot of sacks.
IMO we needed a couple of tweaks instead of a complete overhaul. with potentially 4 new starters on the line and no mini camps….this could be bad.
May 25th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Buckeyeraider
post 104 good solid info i feel a little better about our d now
May 25th, 2011 at 9:54 am
My concern is the O-line last year we were 2nd in the league in rushing yards but gave up a lot of sacks.
IMO we needed a couple of tweaks instead of a complete overhaul. with potentially 4 new starters on the line and no mini camps….this could be bad.
veldheer will pass on his rookie secret as will jacoby ford but no mini camp will slow them down though
May 25th, 2011 at 10:07 am
As far as the run D, I think they are a lil batter than the stats indicate. No, 29th in the league is not acceptable. They did lose the battle at the los several times last year…Houston, Miami and surprisingly Indy.
They are getting better, IMO. Their short yardage D is actually pretty good. Especially with Big John Henderson in there. They dominated the #1 rushing Chiefs twice.
As statman Vegas said they did knock 20 yards per game off their avg from the previous year. I’ll take his word for it.
Their front four is very aggressive and makes a lot of plays for negative yardage and no gain.
However, because they are so aggressive they are susceptible to some cut back runs. If a runner can find a seam, they are off to the races because the DB’s have their backs to LOS in man coverage so much.
So they give up the occasional long run that skewers their stats. Yes, I realize that the long ones count too.
I think they can cut down on those a lil with improved LB play next year. They had a rookie in the middle who did experience some growing pains. I re watched the Texan game (masochist) and McClain was awful.
I still think he’s going to be an excellent player and should continue to get better. Last year he was also flanked by two new starters.
So, there is defenitely room for improvement with the LB corps. Hopefully with a lil more cohesion and familiarity.
Hopefully limit the Looooong run that have killed this D recently.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I sincerely hope that CJ37-Mitchell-Branch-Routt will not be the Raiders starting secondary this season. Chekwa should replace CJ37; Mitchel or Branch are not deep safety material. Routt-Chekwa-Branch(?)-Brown IMHO.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Bauce,
You said earlier that Campbell always has a good TD to INT ratio.
I am here to tell you not so much. True he always is on the plus side of things, but good QB’s usually have at least a 2-1 TD to INT ratio, often times 3-1. The elites are up in the 4 to 1, 5 to 1 ratio. Matt Cassell was even a 5 to 1 guy last year.
Soup, has never even been 2 to 1 on his TD to INT’s in a season. Every year, he is right at 1.7 to 1, which isn’t much better than Jamarcus Russell in 2008.
Soup HAS TO HAVE at least a 2.5 to 1 this year. No more 13 TD’s to 8 INT’s. We need 21 TD’s 8 INT’s.
Anything less, and we will be talking draft around X-mas time again next year.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Call me crazy, but I am not convinced that Routt is that much better than CJ37.
MM34 has to be a SS (not FS material) and Branch should have to COMPETE to win the FS job, along with Hiram and Steve Brown.
DVD, Chekwa, Walter McFadden, Jeremy Ware. I only think 3 make the team, with one to PS or waived.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Routt is a better choice to start over CH37, as well as being younger. JFB, you’re right about MM34 definitely being a SS, but Branch just doesn’t have enough awareness in the passing game to be back deep-more of a stop the run box safety.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Last year:
Josh Freeman 4 to 1
Tom Brady 9 to 1
Cassel 4 to 1
Rodgers 2.6 to 1
Vick 3.5 to 1
Matt Ryan 3 to 1
Flacco 2.5 to 1
Rothelisberger 3.4 to 1
Schaub 2 to 1
Peyton 2 to 1 (off year for him)
Rivers 2.5 to 1
Soup’s average (1.6 to 1) is right there with Mark Sanchez (1.4 to 1) , Jay Cutler (1.4 to 1), Carson Palmer (1.2 to 1), Eli Manning (1.2 to 1), Ryan Fitzpatrick (1.5 to 1), David Garrard (1.6 to 1), Alex Smith (1.4 to 1) and so on.
We need him to make that other list this season and emerge from the pack of mediocrity.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:41 am
but Branch just doesn’t have enough awareness in the passing game to be back deep-more of a stop the run box safety.
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Well than screw him if so.
I think MM34 is/will be a better SS than Branch, so if he isn’t good enough at FS, it should be back to ST gunner, and backup safety.
We don’t need to find a place for him, he needs to find a place with us.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Vegas,
You gonna watch Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips and my boys tonight on Wednesday Night Baseball? Cincy gettin a lil national primetime love this week. ESPN must be taking a brief respite from the Yanks and the Sox. lol.
They finally stopped the bleeding last night. Got a tough draw vs Roy Halladay tonight, though.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Big Oak Boy, it’s the owners locking the players out. It’s not a two way street. Only one side is instigating this, the owners. The players are ready to play. Owners are not ready to remove the locks. It’s on them.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Jason Campbell has had Heyward-Bey, Ford and Murphy staying at his home in Virginia as they attempt to get their timing down and was glad to change the venue to Atlanta.
Might be a good thing Schilens isn’t there, maybe we won’t need a vet receiver…
May 25th, 2011 at 10:51 am
DVD, Chekwa, Walter McFadden, Jeremy Ware. I only think 3 make the team, with one to PS or waived.
DVD stays because of his raw talent but I see Routt and Mcfadden starting. Yes Mcfadden got burned last year but he was coming off an injury and I liked what I saw from him preseason. Chekwas a good prospect too, hopefully beats out Ware
May 25th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Ah yes Joey Votto, my favorite Canadian-Italian baseball player.
I hope you beat the Phillies, and peg a liner off Halladay’s ankle tonight.
So sick of the Phillies coverage. I really want them in the playoffs again this year, just to beat their little wannabe-dream time staff.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:54 am
You figure MM34, Branch, Steve Brown and Hiram are the 4 safeties.
You probably than keep 5 DB’s. CJ37, Routt, Ware, DVD for sure, and than who knows.
Ware has a leg up on all these guys, IMO, from his play last year. He was on the field all the time for ST’s as well.
May 25th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Buckeyeraider Says:
May 25th, 2011 at 10:07 am
How good is Chekwa, you must have seen him play more than i did?
May 25th, 2011 at 11:01 am
“DVD, Chekwa, Walter McFadden, Jeremy Ware. I only think 3 make the team, with one to PS or waived.”
Isn’t it really between CJ37, McFadden and Ware making the team? Cannot see Davis cutting Chekwa or DVD, more about saving face and usually you give draft picks time to develop.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Soup, DHB, Murphy and Jacoby Ford all hanging out.
Would seem like an odd bunch if they went out and hit up DC on a Saturday night.
Bunch of goofy, dorky guys.
However, I love that Soup is having the guys over at his house. That, more than anything I have ever seen from Soup on gameday, gives me hope for something next year.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Cannot see Davis cutting Chekwa or DVD, more about saving face and usually you give draft picks time to develop.
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Al Davis waived Quinton Moses, which was one of the highest ever draft picks waived their first camp.
He drafted that one character in the 5th round, and waived him before camp!!!
If Chekwe plays uninspiring ball than pulls a hammy in camp, he very easily could be waived. Same with McFadden.
I think Ware is on the team, unless he just has a horrible camp.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I’m hoping this CBA can get done in July after the 8th circuit makes their final ruling. Hopefully, cooler heads prevail and a deal gets done in time for at least a shortened offseason with brief training campand preseason.
Unfortunately, I’m feeling less optimistic all the time. This could be a big one like ‘82 that stretches well into the regular season.
If that happens and the players start losing game checks…they will cave. Unfortunately. Right now they aren’t losing anything.
If the moderate owners are willing to negotiate in good faith and offer some concessions a deal could get done right then and there. If not, it could get really ugly.
If the hardline owners want to employ a scorched earth policy and completely crush the union, like Republicans are bent on doing everywhere else, this could drag on an on and get really nasty.
In fact, Schefter has said, some of the more hard line owners want to blow up the entire financial structure of the league and start over. The entire way they do business. This is as much about owner vs owner as it is the players. They want to reduce the amount of “socialist” policies like revenue sharing…that has made the league what it is. I guess they want it more like baseball..every man for himself. Jones and Snyder can be like the yankees, while buffalo is the KC Royals.
I hope I’m wrong about all this. Hopefully these guys are smart enough not to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. The calmer, cooler, more moderate heads prevail and a deal gets done. Sooner rather than later.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Buckeye Raider, you mean you hope the owners finally remove those ridiculous locks at the gates? That’s all this is. A lock out. The players are ready. The owners have the gates locked. Nothing we can do. We have to convince these owners that we want football. They don’t. They have other ideas.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Cannot see Davis cutting Chekwa or DVD, more about saving face and usually you give draft picks time to develop.
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Al Davis waived Quinton Moses, which was one of the highest ever draft picks waived their first camp.
He drafted that one character in the 5th round, and waived him before camp!!!
If Chekwe plays uninspiring ball than pulls a hammy in camp, he very easily could be waived. Same with McFadden.
I think Ware is on the team, unless he just has a horrible camp.
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I thought the Quinton Moses was supposedly cut by mistake. There is a million articles laughing at the Raiders for this.
Do you mean Styker Sulak? (6th round pick). Raiders also got roasted for cutting this guy before camp.
Not saying what you say is not right, never know with Davis. But a lot were made out of these picks.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Buckeye, I thought Jarvis Moss looked like a steal late last year. I’m not sure what they were doing in Denver but this guy is a natural edge rusher with excellent hands and long arms. And he’s explosive off the edge, I thought we would have to shell out $30+ mill to get a guy of this ability.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:28 am
I am always amazed at how much Raider fan ovverattes players that happen to where SnB.
If you would hav asked ANYONE on this blog about Jason Campbell 2 years ago it would have been a 99% ”hes a bum” vote. Now that hes a Raider, ALL THE SUDDEN hes good. LOL. Funny stuff
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Dan Land,
before Jason Campbell came to town we had Russell, Gradkowski & Frye. I was not upset that we traded a 2012 4th rounder for the guy and dumped JaWalrus!
May 25th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Everything is all over blown.
Players are asking for WAY more than usual, so are the owners. That’s their “stance” in the negotiations for now.
When it is all said and done, we will have a CBA that is not all that far removed, from the ones we have had in the past, with a few concessions here and there on both sides.
I’m really not that worried about it. If they miss this one season, I don’t think I will miss pro football THAT MUCH. I got Giants playoff baseball, college football, and the annual Warriors failed playoff run (otherwise known as November-December) ahead to fill the void.
And of course, when they come back, I will be on board 110%, consuming as much pro football as possible.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Hey good job players! Hope it helps.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:31 am
The players aren’t asking for anything but to play. They’re ready. This is all on the owners. They’re the ones locking the players out.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Mike f@#k@ing Brown?
You can’t be serious!
Jim Buss you POS dumbazz mfker! Why is Jerry Buss allowing his retarded son to destroy the Lakers?
WTF is going on!?!?!?!?!!!!!!
What, do the Lakers want to run the “hand the ball to the best player and let everyone else stand around and watch him ” offesnse that Mike Brown is famous for? JEEEEZUZZUZUZHFKINCRIPES!
May 25th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Nobody seems to acknowledge the fact that Oak was second in the league with 47 sacks. That from a D that doesn’t blitz much.
They had twiceas many sacks as the feared Baltimore Ravens who only had 20 something, with 11.5 of those from Suggs.
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Buckeye,
JFB always acknowledges this. I think that it still remains a concern because Marshall & Haluchak have been replaced by Chuck B & Greg B as DC and LB Coach
You gotta think that with DL Coach Mike Waufle and every player from the Defensive front seven returning, things will stay the same or improve, but you never know.
I just hope Chuck B doesn’t bring back the Prevent Defense!
May 25th, 2011 at 11:34 am
They’re the ones locking the players out.
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This is how business is ran in pro sports.
Players strike for awhile, owners lock-out, than soon they fake a few smiles and handshakes and on to business as usual.
Not sure why your so wound up with this stuff. I believe a day or two ago, you called it a “human rights issue”.
LMAO!!!
May 25th, 2011 at 11:34 am
do the Lakers want to run the “hand the ball to the best player and let everyone else stand around and watch him ” offesnse that Mike Brown is famous for?
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LOL @ Laker fans!
May 25th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Mike Brown is going to bring his Papavich-style defensive toughness to Lamar Kardashian, Steve Blake and Pau Gasol.
(Trying not to laugh)
May 25th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Just Fire Baby, just dispelling the notion that this is some kind of two way street between the players and owners. It’s not. It’s a one way street. It’s a lockout. Players are ready for work, owners are not ready to start business again. They’re the ones with the agenda, period.
I’m “wound up” about this stuff? lol. Sure. If you talk about something, you’re “wound up”. OK…
May 25th, 2011 at 11:40 am
The Lakers are on their way to being average as sson as Kobe is gone. Yeah they’ll get a FA and be entertaining but the championships drives are coming to a screeching halt.
MIKE BROWN???? are you serious????
let’s see how many Laker fans champion this move.
Dakota, Jhill etal; whassup BOYS!?!
May 25th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I sincerely hope that CJ37-Mitchell-Branch-Routt will not be the Raiders starting secondary this season. Chekwa should replace CJ37; Mitchel or Branch are not deep safety material. Routt-Chekwa-Branch(?)-Brown IMHO.
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DVD & Chewy have thier work cut out for them as rookies with no OTA’s and possibly T-Camp.
Stevie Brown is only on the 53 man roster due to his play on special teams.
I don’t see any of these guys starting right away unless it’s a mandate from Al Davis (ie scholarship)
May 25th, 2011 at 11:47 am
139.priesttj Says:
May 25th, 2011 at 11:40 am
The Lakers are on their way to being average as sson as Kobe is gone. Yeah they’ll get a FA and be entertaining but the championships drives are coming to a screeching halt.
MIKE BROWN???? are you serious????
let’s see how many Laker fans champion this move.
Dakota, Jhill etal; whassup BOYS!?!
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Mike Brown will certainly give us a taste of how it is to be a hopeless fan of a team with no future….now I know what a Warriors’ fan must feel like every year!
This is bad, very bad. Jerry Buss is an idiot for allowing his son to do this, just like he was an idiot for letting his son talk him into hiring Rudy T. 7 years ago or whenever.
Well haters, the day has finally come where you can legitimately laugh at the Lakers.
The only upside I see in hiring Brown is that Kobe might once again demand a trade and then we can be rid of his albatross of a contract. That must be the plan, because there is no other logical reason for the hiring of Mike FKIN BROWN!!!!!! Damn!
This is on par with the Tom Cable hire.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Man I was hoping to get a look at Taiwan Jones in some of the clips but it didn’t happen. I just would like to see how big he is compared to DMC. They’re both 6′1″ Tj is suppose to be 205 which would make him almost as big as DMC was when he was a rookie.
I think the kid can get to 210-15 in a couple of years. He’s biult better than DMC though as his weight is evenly distributed, he is biult much better in his lower body. He may get be as big as 220 which would be awesome.
May 25th, 2011 at 11:49 am
The Lakers are on their way to being average as soon as Kobe is gone.
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TJ,
KB turns 33 in a couple months and L.A. got swept by Dallas bro
a teams that loses to Utah (twice), Golden State, L.A. Clippers, Sacramento & Cleveland during the regular season is already average imo
May 25th, 2011 at 11:49 am
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May 25th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
This man, Richard Seymour, will save the Raider Nation. How could the pat’s let him go?!? My god, the best 1st rounder for the Raiders EVER.These boys will get rings because of Richard Seymour.Mark my words.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
“Seymour was the force behind the camp”.
Well that figures and I like it.
Born to be a Raider.
Then we have McClaine criticizing that the workouts aren’t hard enough.
Again, born to be a Raider.