Camp Seymour, Day 2


Notes and quotes as relayed by correspondent Ben Beitzel of the Gwinnett Daily Post at a passing camp attended by Raiders’ players in the Atlanta area:

— No sign of wide receiver Chaz Schilens, but Javon Walker was running patterns against a Raiders defense in a series of 7-on-7 drills.

Rest easy. Walker isn’t being brought back. Walker was among 30 professional players brought in by Florida-based trainer Tom Shaw for a 40-minute session working with the Raiders. Other non-Raiders included Ike Taylor, James Farrior, Ben-Jarvis Green-Ellis and Santonio Holmes.

Beitzel reports Raiders units were sharper than those from Shaw’s group on both sides of the ball and the most vocal defenders were Groves and Kamerion Wimbley.

— A hand count of Wednesday’s attendees numbered 32. Among those who weren’t seen included Schilens, defensive end Trevor Scott (out following ACL surgery last year) and cornerback Stanford Routt. Players who weren’t there Tuesday but attended Wednesday included defensive end Lemarr Houston, defensive tackle Desmond Bryant and linebacker Quentin Groves.

Rookie lineman Joe Barksdale was not with the team, but fourth-round pick Chimdi Chekwa was on the field.

Two players who were not in attendance after being there Tuesday were linebacker Rolando McClain and offensive guard/tackle Bruce Campbell.

— Rookie center Stefan Wisniewski is getting a head start. Incumbent center Samson Satele, like the other Raiders players not under contract, is not in Atlanta. Satele has a pending second-round tender that may or may not be applicable when the lockout ends.

“Some of the older guys got in contact with me,” Wisniewski said. “Obviously, we can’t talk to any coaches. They told me about the camp and I thought it would be a good idea to come down and start working with my teammates. It’s been great so far. We are working hard down here with the team and learning a lot.”

Wisniewski’s uncle, Steve Wisniewski, remains off-limits, according to Stefen.

Daniel Loper, the presumptive starter at left guard assuming Robert Gallery departs, was good-naturedly giving the rookie a hard time during his interview.

Wisniewski recognized “a slight risk of injury, but we aren’t going super hard. We are trying not to hurt each other out here. We are just out here working. Gus are smart about that . . . we are not under contract yet, so we are not covered by our team so it’s definitely a little bit risky.”

— Quarterback Jason Campbell was pleased with the 7-on-7 work.

“The main thing for us is just installing,” Campbell said. “You are trying to get the guys to hear it as much as possible before we leave this week so when the lockout ends it won’t take guys so long to catch on.”

As for the playbook volume, Campbell said, “We are running pretty much all our plays, trying to install them. For the guys hearing it for the first time, it’s a different language. They’re just trying to get used to it.”

— Running back Taiwan Jones, who had a metatarsal fracture and surgery late in his college season, continues to heal. He said he was more than 90 percent healed at the time of the draft (which didn’t prevent him from running a sub-4.3 40-yard dash time at his Pro Day).

“I’ve been taking some time to let my foot heal,” Jones said. “I am trying to get back in shape, but at the same time I’m getting a chance to meet the players and learn as much as I can from them.”

Jones said he is joining huddles to listen to play calls to speed up the learning process.

“Everyone’s been welcoming,” Jones said. “It’s been a good environment.”

— Although the Atlanta Falcons have been using the same Buford High football field following the Raiders, there are no plans for the two teams to work out together.

— Here’s a link to a photo of the Raiders running a play, courtesy of Rock Cartwright’s Twitter account.

— Media availability at the passing camp was scheduled for Tuesday and Wednesday only.


Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • Al Davis believes in wins and losses. Sure. This is why he traded Jon Gruden when we had one of the best teams in the league.

    I’m sure Al also dealt away Marcus Allen when he was the best 3rd down back not only in the league at that time, but arguably in NFL history, because he believes it’s all about wins and losses.

    I’m sure the reason he’s about to let Asomugha walk is because no price is too high for wins and losses.

    Yeah, wins and losses. All Al thinks about.

  • Yeah, no chance of the Kings besting the Lakers now, with Mike Brown at the helm.

  • Thec07

    DHB is going to have a good season this year….
    Print that…

  • r8eray

    Dakota Says:
    May 25th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
    Mike Brown?



    lol..yeah I feel the same way too!

    Well…the bright side of this is we now free up about 6-8 million for a roster spot!

    1. CP3
    2. D.Howard
    3. Westbrook
    4. Love

    *Not in any specific order

    But prefer CP3!

  • Thec07

    But prefer CP3!


    Sorry holmes, he is going to NYC…

  • priesttj


    Do you understand what exactly you’re talking when you say DHB has never shown any talent on any level? How can a player be rated by virtually every scouting service, never show any talent?? How did they rate him then? based on what??

    Don’t say speed because there are 100’s of trck stars that didn’t get rated as higvh as he did nor did they get drafted. So what were the GM’s basing this on?

    At least show some commmon knowledge of the process even if you do hate the guy. he was a 1st rnd pick. He wasn’t James Jett an UDFA…..the guy showed he could play and many agreed. Whether you guys like it or not.

  • Thec, what do you think the opponents on our schedule are doing to prepare for DHB? Think they’re considering doubling him? Keeping one safety on him at all times?

  • r8eray

    Well my dear Watson…..I am sorry to inform you but It was easier to know it than to explain why I know it.

    He’s gonna be Laker!


  • JB Says:
    May 25th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    I think everybody will agree that this is DHB’s make or break year – much like DMac’s coming out in year 3.
    It’s been said, but I just want to add, that there’s no comparison between DHB & DMac, based on resume.

  • Thec07

    RAIDER Says:
    May 25th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
    Thec, what do you think the opponents on our schedule are doing to prepare for DHB? Think they’re considering doubling him? Keeping one safety on him at all times?
    MR, this is going to vary drastically from play to play. Considering the speed we have It is going to really be tough to double down on anyone…
    When he steps up his game like I know he will then You can roll coverage towards him however, that would leave guys like schllens, ford, murphy, and moore in singles… Campbells reads will be equally important as he goes thru his progressions and quickly recognizes what they are trying to do to him is going to be tantamount….In short this is going to be a very dynamic offense…. the only Q mark I have is the rooks on the oline…

  • morilla

    The Seymour trade was worth it. We haven’t seen this type of behavior or leadership in this organization for years. It’s almost un-Raider like. Or maybe we have just come to expect the mediocre. Either way, he is an exceptional addition to the team.

    I like what he is bringing to the table. Feast on…

  • priesttj

    Thec if you watch when DHB is on the field he draws doubles consistently. If you watch when the ball is snapped JC often looks deep first. He’s looking for the FS if he’s shading DHB and 9x’s out of 10 that’s what’s happening it leaves Murphy with a single he’ll either go to Murphy or check it down. He often pumps as if he’s going deep anyway then take underneath to Ford or HB or TE. That pump fake holds the safety giving the 2nd rec more room to run. He was exceptional with this in the SD game in SD. Get that game and watch JC keep them off balance and all due to them doubling DHB. That game was JC’s best game to that point he then followed it up with a gem in KC.

    That’s why I have so much confidence in JC there were games where he played some damn good football. He’s just working with very young players who are still learning that is why he’s doing what he’s doing now to get on the same page. Even the first SD he used them with pump fakes and going short they’re scared to death of DHB. When they understand each other and he’s comfortable with DHB you’ll see him throw to him anyway because he will bust that zone but they have to get to that point confidence wise.

  • SnB Production

    Quite frankly there is too much focus on DHB from the fans. Its about whoever the best players are playing.

    Draft status shouldn’t matter.

    Jacoby Ford is the best receiver on this team right now. Let Chaz, DHB and Murphy fight for the other positions

  • So, thec, our opponents are worried about DHB?

  • priest, DHB draws doubles? What games? I’ll spring for that NFL.com package where I can watch past games. I do recall some teams letting him run wide open, though.

  • Just Fire Baby

    And when that potential starts to come together with the right coaching (queue HJ) you get dominant performance like vs SD or vs Denver where they couldn’t even stop the onslaught.

    Get the Oline solidified for protection


    Funny you mention the SD and Denver games, were our offensive line stole the show and completely dominated, than go on to say the O-line needs to get solidified.

    During the 4 games against those two division foes, we ran for over 950 yards (about 238 a game) and gave up a whole 5 sacks in 4 games.

    I really don’t see how they could play any better.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I hate the Lakers, and I don’t think Mike Brown is a good coach for them because of the style he coaches doesn’t fit the team.

    But Mike Brown is probably the best available HC out there. Top 3 all-time winning %, NBA COY, took a Cleveland team to the Finals (how many pro sports teams in Cleveland go to championship series??), and was a multiple championship winner as an assistant in San Antonio. The guy is a proven winner, who has succeded everywhere he has went so far. Besides, I think Mike Brown can get the team to compete and at least win a game or two in the second round next year.

    I was really hoping the Warriors would sign him!!!

  • Just Fire Baby

    He often pumps as if he’s going deep anyway then take underneath to Ford or HB or TE. That pump fake holds the safety giving the 2nd rec more room to run. He was exceptional with this in the SD game in SD.


    That is JC’s go-to move, the step in the pocket with a big, exaggerated pump fake, than checking it down. I was saying it halfway through last season.

    I am concerned that after a year of film, our AFC West opponents might pick up on that a little.

    We’ll see.

  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning Nation!
    Morning vote: Is the season lost?

  • Just Fire Baby

    DHB seemed to think that the team bonding stuff last year (like Cable’s bowling outing) was what helped the team gel and go 8-8.

  • Silverandblack666

    “Morning vote: Is the season lost?”


  • hwnrdr

    Morning JFB, S&B666
    I agree…that is why I only put $100 down on my season tix so far…

  • Davy Jones

    No team is scared of DHB, but Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and any other team that you can name is scared of DMC, and will build their game plan around stopping him.

    DHB has to have a good year to not be considered a bust, but there are other 1st round picks who busted that year, you know. DHB has twice as many TDs as Tyson Jackson has sacks . . . .

  • Silverandblack666

    Vegas odds say we wont have a season at all.

    Greed and lawyers help me believe those odds.

    Then you have lackeys like MR who put 100% of the blame on the owners, I don’t buy it. I think they are both to blame. It takes two to tango and the players got 60% of the revenue last year and still want more. Its hard to take their side when you have guys making 10 million a year.

  • hwnrdr

    That would be messed up if we dont havea season…after June, well mid June if i care to watch the Finals in anything Basketball or Hockey (Lakers, Sharks, gone….) what do we do? I don’t watch baseball til the end…

  • Silverandblack666

    Yeah I agree baseball is just too slow. I hate basketball and with Tiger woods injured watching golf is not the same.

    Maybe girls volleyball and cheer leading competitions will be my new sport of choice.

  • Dakota


    Sorry I missed your response on DHB last night. Don’t get me wrong, I like DHB because he seems like a hard worker and he seems to care about his profession.

    However, if a guy has never shown that he can be great I think it unwise that you hold out hope that somehow he will turn into a great player. He was nowhere near great in college, and based on what we have seen of him in the NFL he has shown little potential to be great. Our expectations were high for anyone drafted at #7 or #8, so of course he will never live up to those expectations, but at this point we just have to hope he can even become a slightly below average NFL WR because he isn’t even there yet. If you can’t catch you can’t catch. Period as you like to say.

    You mentioned James Jett….well there is no indication whatsoever that DHB can even match his level of play in the NFL. At this point I would be estatic if DHB could play at Jett’s level.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson



  • Dakota

    278.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
    May 26th, 2011 at 8:18 am


    Laugh it up fuzz ball!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Kobe traded to the Utah Jazz in exchange for Devin Harris & Raja Bell?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Kobe traded to the W’s in exchange for Monta Ellis & Charlie Bell?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Kobe traded to the L.A. Clippers in exchange for Randy Foye & Mo Williams?

  • hwnrdr

    Not going to happen…lol

  • RaiderRockstar

    Kobe traded to the Sac Kings in exchange for Tyreke Evans & Beno Udrih?

  • Silverandblack666

    Kobe traded to the womens Olympic curling team for one of those brick things that look like a tea pot.

  • priesttj


    I never said DHB will be great I said he did show that he was very talented in college and at the combine as well as all his prodays. You don’t get rated as highly as he was without showing that. Now whether he will be great is another debate altogether.

    I think he will be a lot better tha you do based on his college game film and what I’ve seen so far. His struggle aren’t foriegn to me as they are you. they’re pretty much consistent with a lot of WR’s that have dominated in this league.

    Some of the top WR’s in the game right now struggled just as he is before they got to where they are now.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Kobe traded to the Dallas Mavs in exchange for Jason Kidd & Jason Terry?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Kobe traded to the Celtics in exchange for Shaq & Delonte West?

  • RaiderRockstar

    The trial for Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth on misdemeanor assault, scheduled for Thursday, was delayed until next week.

    It’s getting hard to keep track of Haynesworth’s legal issues, but this is the road rage accusation, not the one where he allegedly groped a waitress.

    Tom Jackson of the Washington Post told the judge in the case the two sides hoped to reach “an accord and satisfaction” before the next court date. Haynesworth is accused of punching a man during a traffic altercation.

    All of the legal headlines will seemingly make it next to impossible for the Redskins to trade Haynesworth when the lockout ends.



    go get’em AL !!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Can you imagine Fat Albert in a DT rotation with Seymour, Kelly & Henderson ???

    Run Defense solved !

    Desmond Bryant can play DE …

    We don’t need to keep both Trevor Scott & Jarvis Moss. They are essentially the same player

    re-sign Kirk Morrison & Sam Williams. then let Ricky Brown & Bruce Davis walk the plank 🙂

  • RaiderRockstar

    break time over …

    GO HEAT !!!

  • priesttj

    I would prefer to keep Jarvis Moss over T Scott. Moss seems to be a natural edge rusher and man is he looonng. I can’t believe that kid didn’t work out in Denver!

    I really like Des Bryants size and athletic ability he’s starting show some playmaking ability. L Houston and Des Bryant make this a very good Dline. Tommie Kelly is very underrated.

  • aig-raiders

    Oh my goodness, how many sacks have Moss gotten vs Scott? Not even close…you know football alright (sarcasm).

    Jarvis Moss – 4.5 sacks in 4 years.
    T. Scott – 13.5 sacks in 3 years

    And you want to keep Moss?

  • priesttj

    Another genius!!

    Denver obviously didn’t use him as an edge rusher they used as a LB. I think it had a lot to do with how he was USED……uh hum!! Thanks for listening..

  • Silverandblack666

    I haven’t watched basketball since the magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas era. I tuned in to see what all the Lebron James hype was about. I don’t see it. Why and how is this guy compared to the greats?

    He is in no way as fluid or smooth as Magic or Dr J, he lacks the leadership skills of Jordon. He appears clunky as he moves up and down the court and I seriously doubt he can shoot over 80% from the line.

  • priesttj

    Guys look at stats and draw too many conclusions anyone watching those two players rush the passer can see Moss is a much better edge rusher.

  • BDAtlanta

    Good photograph of the new $600,000 Buford pracice feild.

    Yeah, practice field. For a AA-sized school. Pissed off alot of people. The school was furloughing teachers but they got a shiny new practive field.

    Now they are constructing two additional football arenas for the kids lower than high school to play in. Whatever BHS Coach Simpson wants – he gets. But he does have 7 state championships over the last 11 years.

    I drove by this morning on my way to work to see if anyone was out early but no one was there.

  • DKnight007

    15.priesttj Says:
    May 25th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
    Great man get that kid up to snuff quick, as well as DMoore. Wiz IMO will be a quick study while Barksdale make take more time.

    I really think Chekwa ia going to surprise some people, His play is more physical than people think and he can cover. That kid is no slouch and I’ve been a fan of DVD since I first saw the kid his game is very similar to Nnamdi’s. Some may see that as a criticism but I don’t the kid can mirror as well as anyone in this draftand has decent ball skills. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see both those kids getting a lot of playing time if we lose Nnamdi.

    Both those CB’s need to hit the weights hard and get stronger in the upper body and in the legs. Especially DVD!

  • Buckeyeraider

    ‘Sup fellas.

    Vegas–tough break last night for Buster Posey. Hate to see that. Broken ankle and possible knee ligament damage.

    The rookie of the year was a big catalyst for their championship season last year.

    That was a good, clean play by that dude from Fla, IMO. Hard nosed baseball.

    Just a violent collision. Unfortunate.

  • priesttj

    Chekwa is not nearly as lean as DVD. Chekwa could get stronger as every player coming into the pros could but he’s closer to what he’ll play at than DVD.

    We’ll see when training camp starts but Chekwa may be more ready to help than DVD early.