Raiders taking on water
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, May 26th, 2011 at 10:52 am in Oakland Raiders.
No media availability for the remainder of Camp Seymour (a big thank you to correspondent Ben Beitzel for keeping us in the loop) but from various Twitter accounts it appears things are going swimmingly for the Raiders at Competitive Edge Sports.
Today was a day for water workouts, and judging from some of the tweets, it was no day at the beach.
The following were relayed by quarterback Jason Campbell and wide receivers Nick Miller, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy.
Murphy also tweeted a short video which shows players a few players, including Campbell and himself, looking exhausted.
TRAINING CAMP
There have already been reports of teams concerned about their training camp sites and looking at the possibility of having cap at their facilities rather than somewhere else. Many teams, including the 49ers, already have their training camps at the facility.
The Raiders have held their camp on the grounds of Redwood Middle School and been housed at the Napa Marriott since 1996.
As of now, the Raiders are moving forward as if camp will go off as planned in Napa, and there is no word of a deadline where they must let the Marriott know if they’re suddenly going to have a lot of rooms available during late July and early August.
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May 26th, 2011 at 10:54 am
1st
May 26th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Priest,
Are you throwing a tantrum? Sounds a little frustrated when you get called out heh?
May 26th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Listen Priest,
When you come on this blog pounding your chest as knowing more football than the rest of us, then make sure you back it up.
It seems to me that you’ve been exposed and can’t handle the truth based on your tantrums right now. To quote the great Priest aka resident blog football guru, YOU DONT KNOW JACK….Period!
May 26th, 2011 at 10:56 am
The thing you need to know about Priesttj, is that he will outright lie.
May 26th, 2011 at 10:59 am
@murph918 Louis Murphy Jr
Pool workout was a beast today, I see no purpose in lifting weights ever again after that workout
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I agree with Murphy here. I’m an avid weight lifter and can vouch that weigh lifting is not functional strength. That’s why guys who look like a stud at the combine weigh-in is very suspect like that dude that they drafted for the Jets from Ohio St.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:01 am
KK,
The thing I dont like about Priest is he always comes off as I know more football than you. You ask him to back it up and he throws a tantrum calling you boy and son. Priest tries to be a Redneck running around calling everyone son and boy.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:02 am
These little infantiles can’t accept the fact that I have my own opinion and it might not agree with there’s. Take issue with every little comment….
It’s an opinion, look up the word OPINION it’s personal. You’re not supposed to agree with it necessarily.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Respectfully, this has got to be the most dysfunctional site I have ever seen. Spend more time calling each other names and hurling insults than conveying relevant information.
Now I understand why JMac holds this area with such esteem (more accurately contempt).
Would be nice if thought processes could be realigned to constructive,civil Raider related dialogue.
Just a thought.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:03 am
the hard work will pay off, there will be football!
Raider Nation will rise again!
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
May 26th, 2011 at 11:08 am
So, 666, you admit you post comments just to make people mad? Isn’t that trolling? Either you’re contributing to a football discussion, or you’re baiting. You just admitted what you’re doing.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I’m not here for you to like me BOY!
And yeah I do know more football than most people in here but that aint saying much…
May 26th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 11:01 am
KK,
The thing I dont like about Priest is he always comes off as I know more football than you. You ask him to back it up and he throws a tantrum calling you boy and son. Priest tries to be a Redneck running around calling everyone son and boy.
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I definitely hear ya. He’s most condescending and usually WRONG!
May 26th, 2011 at 11:10 am
And, of course, the lockout is the owners’ fault. “Lock” – to lock something, like a door. “out”, outside, as in not inside. The owners are the ones locking out. The players are ready to play. So if we don’t have football this year, you know which side doesn’t want it.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:11 am
TJ The Clown
You’ve never had an opinion of your own in your life.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:16 am
LMAO at Mr getting his panties in a wad over who is to blame over the lockout.
I knew it would get your goat and yes I come here for pure entertainment while slaving away at the office.
I think they are both to blame. It takes two to tango and the players got 60% of the revenue last year and still want more. Its hard to take their side when you have guys making 10 million or more a year.
Its simple economics your manager will never make less money than you, his employee. Just take a minute and think about it before getting all riled up like Cujo the rabid dog.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Some people think we still run the WCO, wouldn’t know one blocking scheme another yet they have the nerve to be critical of an owner.
Bird brain moron!!
May 26th, 2011 at 11:17 am
and you know more football….. because you read more books on it, played in high school, play madden or use google alot? how do you proclaim yourself to know more football than others?
no debate, just a simply question
May 26th, 2011 at 11:20 am
It’s easy son all you have to do is read the crap in here, if you can’t tell I can’t help ya’
May 26th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Priesttj Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 11:20 am
It’s easy son all you have to do is read the crap in here,
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Yes, your dumb schit.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am
You don’t have to read books SWR I’ve been around a long time and up close and personal. There are some very astute football fans in here but they overshadowed by those that are here for contraversy sake.
they don’t come in here to talk football as much as to argue and cause confusion and acrimony. I like discussing footbal with people who know the game enough to do so in a way that makes me think.
I don’t pretend to know everything some know a lot about things a barely know but they don’t come in here because of all the nutcases. It ruins it for those that are here for the right reasons.
The worse ones spend all their time making false accusations about everyone else in here.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Ah, yes, anyone who doesn’t side with the owners has their “panties in a wad”. Sexist spin coming from the side of ownership. No surprise there. Like I said, the players are ready. They’re working out. They’re ready to start organized team workouts NOW. This second. What are the owners doing? Theyr’e in dark rooms, with consultans, high priced lawyers, figuring out more ways to get more money from not only the players, but you as well. And you, of course, are defending them.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:31 am
So did they have a pool party today???? Did Seymour pay for the team to go to Raging Waters??
May 26th, 2011 at 11:31 am
priest, if you know so much about football, give us a prediction of what the Raiders’ record will be this year. Come January, we’ll know how much you know about football. Let’s hear it.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Priesttj Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am
You don’t have to read books SWR I’ve been around a long time and up close and personal.
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You’re a Clown, period. I’ve been around longer, up close and personal than you, I’d bet, and I don’t talk down to people like that.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:34 am
I think the owners are having their meetings with wall street lawyers and consultants today at Raging Waters. Al Davis is wearing his 1930’s style swimsuit, with the cap.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:36 am
MR at his best putting words in bloggers mouths…..I said it was a topic that would get you riled up, not that anyone who sides with the owners is wrong or has wadded up panties.
Its pretty clear that both sides are to blame and are having problems coming to a financial agreement on how to split 9 Billion dollars. To put complete blame on one side is short sighted and shows your lack of knowledge on the topic.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am
LMAO at post 25….The funniest thing I’ve heard all day. I can see AL breaking a clavicle in the wave pool.. Herrera in the swimsuit Borat wore LOL hand feeding AL Prunes
May 26th, 2011 at 11:37 am
@ 2bbige: good luck. Better dialog at the SF Gate. Keep in mind better does not mean good. Just better than this.
Its a shame as one of my favorite things in the world is to talk football with the NATION!
Hope these owners stop breaking this thing. Now that my Sharks are eliminated I am feeling sportless. Some day the W’s will make me interested in May/June hoops but I ain’t holding my breathe.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:38 am
I use to frequent this blog for years but as of the late, it has become weak and is filled with the same bullschit raider hating raider fans. I read but only chime in a post every now and again.
to many repeated posts and same regurgitated points argued over and over just worded differently…. BORING!
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
May 26th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Yeah, 666, it gets me so riled up that I remind everyone that the players are working out, ready to go, while the owners are confiding in wall street lawyers and consultants, same ones who advised the crooks who brought the entire economy in this country to its knees. Keep getting me riled up, so I can keep reitering this point.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Not kissing arse here but if this TJ is black hoke priest who use to call in to
the ticket 1050 when JT the brick was doin radio show from 12-3
then he’s had some formiddable opinions an seems to be one of the more astute bloggers in here. But my opinion don’t mean d$$k
I know this some people well mist of us who truly are raider fans
should be able to form an opinion wether it be bad or good
a true fan who follows our team has that rite
it’s those that don’t live in CA that give opinions that are well let’s just say
sometimes it just sounds like hate. An when u sound that way a true raider fan will defend his team. But if you come off sounding real you get no beef from me
May 26th, 2011 at 11:41 am
South Texas Raider,
“Don’t go away mad, girl. Just go away.” – Motley Crue
May 26th, 2011 at 11:44 am
I guess the shoe fits, lol
May 26th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Back already? Wow. When you make a decision, you stick to it, don’t you STR?
May 26th, 2011 at 11:51 am
SWR now you know what i mean, they aren’t here for football talk they’re here to hate on the owner and cause contraversy. It ruins it for guys like you and myself. This was a good raider football blog when I first found it. But these Raider haters and owner haters and young kids who just want to argue because they don’t have anything else to do. It’s lousy!!
I agree R8dercain but the negative people dominate this blog they NEVER leave it they’re here day in day out like their lives depend on it.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:54 am
I would potentially side with Moss over Scott, only because Trevor is coming off knee surgery, but I wouldn’t be all that suprised if neither one made the team.
McClain, Wimbley and Groves are your starters. Ricky Brown, Sam Williams and Goethel are your backups, and ST guys.
And of course they could bring in a vet or undrafted guy as well to compete for that last LB gig.
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I don’t see these guys as LB’s at all. I see them as 3rd down pass rush specialists from the DE spot
I’d hate to pull Houston or ShoNasty off the field for one of these cats, but they need a breather every now & then. Both are tweeners that stink versus the run. Thus Moss getting dumped by Dungver (and labeled a bust) and Scott being a 6th rounder.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Thanks for keeping us in the loop Jerry. We are dieing for some Football (and football) news.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
McClain, Wimbley and Groves are your starters. Ricky Brown, Sam Williams and Goethel are your backups, and ST guys.
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JFB,
no love for Thomas Howard, Bruce Davis or Quentin Scott? me neither
starting D-Line is ShoNasty-Kelly-Seymour-Houston. Backups being Bryant, Henderson, Scott & Moss
Tommie Hill = camp fodder
May 26th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
R8dercain
the problem is when you post something of your opinion in here you get attacked by self righteous insecure know it alls who will argue to death with you about the color of the sky.
So its easier for people like me to throw a bone at people like MR to chew on thus distracting them from real debatable issues that are taking place in here.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
add Fat Albert on the cheap and get rid of either Moss or Scott (flip a coin to satisfy both AIG & TJ)
May 26th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Once this CBA is hashed out I think the first move we make in free agency is a backup QB.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
[...] Raiders taking on water No media availability for the remainder of Camp Seymour (a big thank you to correspondent Ben Beitzel for keeping us in the loop) but from various Twitter accounts it appears things are going swimmingly for the Raiders at Competitive Edge Sports. [...]
May 26th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
RRS I couldn’t care less either way I was just voicing my opinion on a insignificant issue and this kid made a mountain out of a mole hill.
I Wasted my whole morning on this crap……lol
May 26th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
“he’s (Priest TJ) had some formiddable opinions an seems to be one of the more astute bloggers in here”
-R8dercain
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Kell,
thoughts?
May 26th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Yes MR comes off sounding like a hater. Not a fan with an opinion.
But he’s an,and correct me if I’m wrong but he’s a very angry raider fan fed up with the mistakes made by our GM. I just wanna see when we become winners again if his attitude changes. Until I pay attention to only blogs that are formiddable
May 26th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I Wasted my whole morning on this crap
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TJ,
who isn’t here wasting time? If commenting on Jerry Mac’s blog is considered significant or important to anybody, they must not have a whole lot going on in “real life”
May 26th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
time to get some work done …
later gents!
May 26th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
RRS,
were free to make judgements on OUR team that’s y were here
if we don’t like what people say then u give your opinion on a comment made by that person to debate them. It’s just there opinion
nothing more period.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
tj,
Why don’t you call KK a stinking swastika toting racist?
May 26th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
KK,
Why don’t you call tj a stinking swastika toting racist?
May 26th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
I heard Priest on the Raider radio once after the game trying to make excuses for Jawalrus. Even the Raider host cut him off so fast I was feeling sorry for him. Sorry but Astute and Priest just dont go together.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Wasn’t it you that said I called for Oakland to draft a FB in the 1st round when you knew damn well I said in rounds 3-7 ?
You lying hypocrite P.O.S
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Silverandblack666 Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 11:36 am
MR at his best putting words in bloggers mouths
May 26th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
“who isn’t here wasting time? If commenting on Jerry Mac’s blog is considered significant or important to anybody, they must not have a whole lot going on in “real life”
Best post of the day….maybe the year!
May 26th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Dont get me wrong RRS.
Not a big fan of Scott here either but he sure as hell has produced a whole lot more than J. Moss. It’s that prick Priest that tries to belittle everyone on here and I just had to call him out on his stupidity of Moss being better than Scott, when Moss avg 12 tackles and 1 sack per year.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
I’ve heard Priest on the Radio a few times too, always the same know it all lecture.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
You see here is a perfect example of an angry little man who comes in here all riled up like a rabid dog making things up to start a “chat fight”
“Wasn’t it you that said I called for Oakland to draft a FB in the 1st round when you knew damn well I said in rounds 3-7 ?
You lying hypocrite P.O.S”
First: I never talk to you if at all possible because your mentally unbalanced, obviously disturbed and seek out your pathetic identity in a blog.
Second: I would never ask your opinion of the draft because of your low football IQ therefore I would not have said anything about your feeble predictions if you did in fact have any.
lastly: this is exactly what we were all talking about earlier little trolls who let words on a computer screen affect them emotionality and try to have online fights.
Get a grip and stop trying so hard to bait me and others here.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
666, that wasn’t you? Could of been that other KUNT, Debo. I get you kinda people mixed up. I just assumed you were the same piece of garbage.
Accept my apology
May 26th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
MB, the “liberal” MSNBC is equating Arnold’s behavior to a “shopping addiction”.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@AIG
It would be a great story if J. Moss does become somthing. i.e. former Broncos 1st rounder, makes it on Raiders…
May 26th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Mista – 1 KUNT – 0
May 26th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
This site has become “The Great Debate”
it is what it is. Say what you feel in your heart an leave it at that period.
Not everyone will agree. It’s an OPINION
that’s it. It plays no part in how well our team does.
If it’s wrong than let the blogger who made the comment live with it.
If it’s rite give them the proper respect due
that’s how it should be.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
And your point is?
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RAIDER Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
MB, the “liberal” MSNBC is equating Arnold’s behavior to a “shopping addiction”.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
LMAO
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Raider E Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Mista – 1 KUNT – 0
May 26th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I do not like Debo that fat chick thinks she knows everything about football.
apology accepted.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
R8dercain
It is my opinion that as soon as the CBA is reached our first move will be to sign an experienced backup QB.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Nice cover!
I knew you 2 kunts are 1 in the same.
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Silverandblack666 Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I do not like Debo that fat chick thinks she knows everything about football.
apology accepted.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
May 26th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Back already? Wow. When you make a decision, you stick to it, don’t you STR
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what decision was that?
I never said I was leaving. read post 29 again dude.
I said I read and chime in time to time. I’ve been on this blog since 2006 and it has gone sour in the past few years. I’ve kept the same name while others have changed.
this blog will get better, winning cures everything but haters will still hate.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION BABY!
May 26th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Chaz Update and he is Atlanta.
“ChazS was moving good, no indication of soreness and spoke as such during our breif conversation while he was signing a football for me.
But I mostly stayed on the end with the linemen while that is my biggest area of concren, other than o-line, I think we are solid.”
It is comments to the story…From the dude who took the pictures
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/5/26/2191119/oakland-raiders-lockout-practice-pictures
May 26th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Lol…
May 26th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
R8dercain
It is my opinion that as soon as the CBA is reached our first move will be to sign an experienced backup QB.
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yes but who?
Any names?
May 26th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
your pathetic attempts to start a girly chat fight with anyone here who will take the bait is painfully obvious and shows your lack of mental stability.
stay off the meth for a few days get some sleep and come back when you can comprehend a sentence or a simple statement of intelligence.
May 26th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
“yes but who?
Any names?”
again just guessing….Billy Volek, Trent Edwards, Jim Sorgi, Dennis Dixon?
May 26th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
ahhhhhhhh…….
this place hasn’t changed one bit, lol
May 26th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
your pathetic attempts to start a girly chat fight with anyone here who will take the bait is painfully obvious and shows your lack of mental stability.
stay off the meth for a few days get some sleep and come back when you can comprehend a sentence or a simple statement of intelligence.
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who is “your”
got a name. Lol
May 26th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
who is “your”
got a name. Lol
That was directed at MistaBrown Nose and it knows full well i was talking to it.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
MistaBrown Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
And your point is?
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I think you just made it.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
South Texas Raider, do you think it’s at all possible the reason this blog went “sour” is becasue the Raiders haven’t made the playoffs in 8 years?
May 26th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
So DHB and Bruce Campbell are really going to be starting for us this year, eh?
Terrapin will be pretty excited!
May 26th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
I can see some are STILL at it, LMAO!
its like a soap opera on this blog
May 26th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Dennis dixon. He’s home grown seems like that would be a good fit in that aspect.
He’s young mobile an can be brought along by hu Jack
watched him at SNL my daughter goes there BTW. An he has the intangibles. Question is can we develope him into a full time starter???
May 26th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
How many people here think Hue Jack will keep his job if he finishes below 8-8?
May 26th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
South Texas Raider, it’s because we’re not as mature as you. Mr. “LMAO!”
May 26th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
I’ll take this one:
The blog went sour because of moron libtards like you and 666/Debo/OakGlenn/JustWin cross posting & dressing.
And then you have tj & KK, aka Sanford & Son have brought their racial bigot garbage to the table.
Any other questions?
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RAIDER Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
South Texas Raider, do you think it’s at all possible the reason this blog went “sour” is becasue the Raiders haven’t made the playoffs in 8 years?
May 26th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
How many people here think Hue Jack will keep his job if he finishes below 8-8?
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Might depend on what his division record is, but I’m pretty sure Hue will get at least two years, even if we miss the playoffs next year.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Right wing translator, 2001 – present edition:
“racial bigot” – anyone who stands up for minorities being unfairly harassed or discriminated against.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
“Any other questions?”
How long have you been smoking meth?
When was the last time you slept?
Do you pick your face scabs like other meth addicts?
Did you make it past the 5th grade because your not reading or writing beyond that level?
May 26th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
“Might depend on what his division record is, but I’m pretty sure Hue will get at least two years, even if we miss the playoffs next year.”
My thoughts exactly, Al will give him two years to get a playoff win or else he will roll out the overhead projector again.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Jerry, you need to change the title of your blog to Petty Little Rants About Anything But Raiders Football.
That seems to be what most of the commenters are interested in.
Some peoples kids…
May 26th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
666, your extensive knowledge of meth addicts and their behavior reaks of experience.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
I think oldschoolraider and SouthTexasRaider share the same brain. And the same face. And the same name. And the same social security number…
May 26th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RAIDER
Says May 26th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
South Texas Raider, do you think it’s at all possible the reason this blog went “sour” i becasue the Raiders haven’t made the playoffs in 8 years
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when I got on this blog in 2006 I can remember we werent in any playoff hunt or race and this blog was still a good place to talk raider football and give an opinion. NOW, it is true though, you can’t state an opinion without getting hated on. and I say hated cause some people on here act just like an ex-wife or that annoying arse raider hating raider fan……. waiting for you to say something JUST to go against it. no viable reply, just a bullschit spew of nonsense.
but if the shoe fits…….
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION BABY!
May 26th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
LOL. Why do you keep emphasizing you’ve been here since 2006? Like that’s something to be proud of. It’s like a Wal Mart employee, or a gas station clerk, weearing a name tag that says “employee since 2006!”. Is that something to brag about? I’ve been here since 2006, too. It’s something I try to mention as little as possible.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
MR and MistaBrown join forces to form a new group of mentally challenged super friends…blogging at light speed to fight intelligence here on the Jerry Mac raiders blog!
Anyone with half a brain knows that meth addicts don’t sleep.
Can you just once say something half way interesting or somewhat intelligent?
May 26th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
“you can’t state an opinion without getting hated on. and I say hated cause some people on here act just like an ex-wife or that annoying arse raider hating raider fan……. waiting for you to say something JUST to go against it. no viable reply, just a bullschit spew of nonsense.”
Most observant and dead accurate post today!
May 26th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
In 2006, your innaugural year here, as you’ve pointed out several times, we were only 4 years removed from our most recent playoff season. That’s probably why things were a little more spritely around here. It’s been nearly a decade since the Raiders have been in the playoffs. That will get you silly off topic blog debates, that everyone here participates in, including you, hypocrite.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
I’ve been here since 2006, too. It’s something I try to mention as little as possible
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Co-sign!!
May 26th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
73.SouthTexasRaider Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
ahhhhhhhh…….
this place hasn’t changed one bit, lol
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Hey STR, long time my friend. Yes this place is still ripe with anger, confrontation, anxiety, blind loyalty, jokes, politics, B-ball talk and the occasional football talk.
That is why it is such a great place to visit and you should come back more often!
One big messed up group with one common interest….the Raiders. If we all just got along this place would be such a bore!
May 26th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
You were talking about meth addicts peeling scabs, too, 666. Eww. Again, such morbid detail reaks of having been down that road.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
@AIG
It would be a great story if J. Moss does become somthing. i.e. former Broncos 1st rounder, makes it on Raiders…
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Dutch,
It used to be something that we were good at but it has been a very long long time since we picked up a former #1 and got gold out of it. Maybe I’m wrong but who was the last #1 that got dumped and made a good career with us? I can’t remember. I hope Moss turns out too but not putting much faith into it.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
South Texas Raider’s answer to the overall immaturity that’s taken over this blog is to complain about it excessively under 2 different screen names.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
RAIDER
Says May 26th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
I think oldschoolraider and SouthTexasRaider share the same brain. And the same face And the same name. And the same social security number…
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example of bullschit spew of nonsense, hence, sour blog
May 26th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Alright, I’ve got to run, STR. I’m sure the blog will be more like the good old days, now, as I leave it to MB and 666.
May 26th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
I challenge you MR to just once say something enlightening and not derogatory to others here.
Just once. I know you can do it….
May 26th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
you try not to mention the fact that you’ve been talking schit that long, geez im glad I only have to read it and not smell the schit coming from your mouth as you talk.
on the brighter side,
what up Dakota, how you been bro.
yes still filled with it, funny but true schit you state there buddy. I guess that’s why I find myself back on this ha!
May 26th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
RAIDER Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 11:10 am
And, of course, the lockout is the owners’ fault. “Lock” – to lock something, like a door. “out”, outside, as in not inside. The owners are the ones locking out. The players are ready to play. So if we don’t have football this year, you know which side doesn’t want it.
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Repubs want LBJ’s “Great Society” deal rolled back and they want compensated for the money they “lost” because of it.
Owners wanted an 18% pay cut and to add 2 more games to the season in an attempt to roll back the 2006 deal and to “recover” the money they “lost” because of it.
Same same
May 26th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Too nice out. Lates Nation, Go Raiders!
May 26th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
STR — Don’t let the trolls (or the #1 troll) in the joint get you down. Nobody…and I do mean NOBODY in here (even other trolls) puts an ounce of energy into believing anything MR says or posts. His pathetic attempts to “debate” are designed only to antagonize and bait. We all know it, and you’ve known it since you started visiting.
Same with the ubiquitous racist MB. We all know what he’s about. We also know ideas like his will never change…and free thought and logic never factor in his posts.
KK? He lets what he does know about football and the Raiders disappear in his fog of hatred for Al Davis (who is the reason Oakland & the East Bay have so many infrastucture problems). Regardless of his football acumen, KK’s proven stalker profile has shown how (un)stable he is…even if he can be quite entertaining. His daily swing from one false ally (like MR) to the next is pretty funny to watch. Especially when he gets pi$$y.
BHP?? One of the most knowledgable posters in the place, even if people don’t like his delivery sometimes (son!). When KK and the trolls start in on BHP, he gets all pi$$y himself…pretty funny spats to observe, actually. Disagree with TJ or not, he’s a great fan…completely loyal to the Team, from top-to-bottom…period.
Football talk? Yeah, there’s some of that in here, also…let’s start some:
Hypothetical question — Who’d be the better veteran QB to be brought in as insurance / competition for the #2 job… Trent Edwards, Vince Young, or Troy Smith? Are there better options available (Gradkowski)?
May 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Nice post HayesDaze
I like Trent Edwards because he has the big arm Al loves so much and is a home grown product. Had a lot of potential coming out of college and played for a horrible team showed potential.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
I like Trent Edwards as a #2…with time still to show he does have what it takes to get it done. I’ve seen him play plenty, and he’s talented enough. I believe he’s talented enough to push 2/3’s of the League’s QB’s for playing time.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Yeah, really not high on Boller. Would love to see Vince Young come in Mick Vick Eagle style as the #3 to sit and learn from Hue…
May 26th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Its pretty clear AD and coach are committed to JC it would be nice to get a back up with experience in case our line doesn’t hold up and JC gets hurt.
like you said it would be a good pick up to get a guy like Edwards as our #2.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Edwards would be too much of a threat to JC for us to sign. JC couldn’t handle competition from the Great Garbagekowski….he would certainly soil himself if Al signed Edwards who has a decent track record.
JC needs to be handled with kid gloves. His confidence is sky high right now, so we better not rock the boat.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
VY scares me as a #2. Like all good players, he wants to be the #1 guy, but his oft-shown immaturity puts him in the extremely-high-risk category. He reminds me too much of a spoiled high school QB. His antics alienated teammates and fans, not just coaches. Too immature for my blood.
Troy Smith? I’d rather keep Gradkowski.
Matt Leinart?? I’d rather keep an injured Gradkowski.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
I think VY is due about 9 Million this year, might be too pricey also he doesn’t have the big arm Al covets.
One last thought….running QB’s have yet to win a super bowl…the stay in the pocket style QB’s seem to be a better choice for wining the big one.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Really puzzled how Trent lost his job to Ryan Fitzpatrick? Trent led the Bills to 5-0 and then…
Buffalo does have a lot of talent, but when you sign Langston Walker and Cornell Green to be starters you know your in trouble.
Curious, I heard the opposite, that Trent Edwards does not have the arm strength? Just like to hear you opinion, never did a close study or anything. Dude was a hero in Buffalo and then they cut him.
I mean with the Jags drafting a QB and Garrard, it makes sense they would not re-sign him.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
DR — I believe VY couldn’t sit behind anyone without pouting. As much talent as he has, he’s just as immature.
Dakota’s right on the mark with JCampbell’s fragile makeup. Keep the line clear between who’s #1 and those behind him, and JC’s ego can handle it.
That’s why I think a Trent Edwards would be ideal. He doesn’t know the Offense, and it would take him awhile to get up to speed with it. There would be no direct competition for the #1 spot in this year’s shortened OTA’s, camp, and/or pre-season.
No matter what JC’s ego can handle…it’s absolutely necessary to bring in competition for his job by next year’s camps. Even if he gets us to the Promised Land, there’s no telling how long he can stay upright in games…and if we don’t have more than one capable QB, our season is done as soon as he goes down.
Competition breeds better football players, and by this time next year JC had better establish himself as the unquestioned leader here. If he hasn’t, then we need as much QB talent as we can find to come in and take the job.
But…it’s JC’s to win or lose. Here’s hoping he’s good enough to not lose it.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
DR
here is the scouting report on him:
http://www.warroomreport.com/draft/rankings/qb/edwards.htm
May 26th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
I would’ve been interested to see how a guy like Andrew Walter would fare under HueJax’s and Saunders’ tutelage. The guy had/has all the tools, and I’m still convinced a more stable environment would’ve led to his ultimate success in the NFL.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Richard Seymour said: ‘We are going to outwork everyone we play and it starts today.’ From the video looks like they’re backing that up.
Good to see Big Sey in his Raider gear in the pictures from day one. He also said that he was “born to be a Raider.” Looks like he’s backing that up too.
I can tell you that comment has been talked about here in New England. Most of them regret the trade.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
There’s Raider fans in here, and there’s Al Davis followers in here. The latter could care less about wins & losses
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HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
May 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
What?? You mean ol’ “Hoodie” himself made a bad move? Say it ain’t so!
I still say Richard Seymour could end up being one of the Raiders most important trades ever. He certainly is carrying his weight…and he’s the #1 reason the locker room has matured in the past two seasons.
Nobody doesn’t respect Richard Seymour as a football player. In ours, or any other locker room (esp in New England’s!).
May 26th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
There’s Raider fans in here, and there’s Al Davis cult followers in here. The latter could care less about wins & losses
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HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
May 26th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Oh yeah, KK — I must’ve forgot to include that losing so many games caused the Oakland schools to fail, stores to close, and the collapse of the City’s infrastucture!
Tell us, KK — Just what did losing all those games do to you PERSONALLY? Besides showing what we already know…that you’re weak, and you jump off the bandwagon when, umm, “your” team goes through rough times.
What was the cost to you, KK, of losing all those games??
Has the Team done anything right in the past few years?
Has Al done anything right in the past few years? Will he EVER do anything right in your weak estimation? If the answer’s no (and we know it is), it just shows how little credibility you have. We’re used to it.
May 26th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Two things doomed New England last year, despite their record: aging O line and lack of a pass rush. Seymour would have helped out with the pass rush, and I think a lot of fans who see Brady’s window shrinking would have preferred to have him over the LT they drafted with the pick.
You’ll get some NE fans on the radio talking about picking Al’s pocket with the Moss trade etc. But these days, a lot of NE fans calling in to point out that they really haven’t gotten the best of these trades with the Raiders.
Since they aren’t satisfied with anything but SBs, the luster is off the Moss trade. The Gabriel and Burgess trades got them nothing.
A lot of people talking about how they traded a third and fourth for the Raiders second round pick, but earlier traded THEIR second round pick for a third and a fifth.
Despite how some would paint it in here, I think an awful lot of NE fans would rather that Bellicheat didn’t pick up when Al calls.
May 26th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
There’s Raider fans in here, and then there’s Al Davis bootlickers in here. The latter could care less about wins & losses
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HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
May 26th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
How about the latest QB question on the table in here, KK??
Got an opinion as to who we should bring in as another potential back-up?
Or, do you just want to chase your tail like MR taught you to? If he didn’t teach it, you went to the same school for it. Must’ve been one of those schools ol’ Al let fail, huh?
How ’bout it, KK — some football discussion?
May 26th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
There’s Raider fans in here, and then there’s people who are more concerned with Al Davis’ image in here. The latter could care less about wins & losses
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HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
May 26th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Hey fellas. Regarding the Seymore trade: I love it, just wish Al would have done the trade the year we drafted DHB…anyways, Raiders 1st rounders are busts 80% of the time. In Seymore you got a solid Dlineman, a leader, and a winner. Been some time since we had one of those.
May 26th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
According to this Chaz was on the field at these workouts, so that is a great sign:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/5/26/2192026/oakland-raiders-lockout-workouts-chaz-schilens
May 26th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Texans All-Pro WR Johnson Wants the Team to Sign CB Nnamdi Asomugha
May 26th, 2011 Matt Loede Posted in 2011 Free Agency, Houston Texans
Wide out Andre Johnson already has stated how he wants FB Vonta Leach to come back to the Texans in 2011, and now he’s sharing info about what he would like the team to add on defense.
The Houston Chronicle reports that Johnson has his eyes on CB Nnamdi Asomugha, and says that the CB is thinking the same way, as he has talked to him about coming to Houston a couple of times already.
Like his teammates, receiver Andre Johnson has been working out during the NFL lockout, but he also has used his time off to recruit for the Texans. Johnson, who has recovered from postseason surgery on his ankle, has encouraged cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha to sign with the Texans when the lockout ends and he becomes an unrestricted free agent. “I’ve talked to him, and every time I hit him with it, it seems like it’s on his mind,” Johnson said. “I don’t even say, ‘Hey, man, what’s up?’ The first thing I say is, ‘What’s up? Are you coming to Houston? What are you going to do?’?” When the lockout ends, Asomugha, who is regarded as one of the two best cornerbacks in the league, will become the most attractive free agent. The Texans know him very well because they play the Oakland Raiders almost every season. “He’ll have to make a decision,” Johnson said. “I know it’ll be a big decision. He’s a very talented guy. I’d love to have him on our team.”
May 26th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Regarding Macho Man (from espn.com):
“He wasn’t opposed to wrestling with his sunglasses on (a lost art, really), and his crazy beard/thinning hair/bandanna/sunglasses look shouldn’t have worked but always did. His interviews were phenomenally bizarre and undeniably entertaining, and, by the way, he might have been the first wrestler to refer to himself almost entirely in the third person. The Macho Man was like the Rickey Henderson of wrestling, right down to the fact that you never knew what the hell he was talking about.
Nobody — repeat, nobody — was more fun to imitate. Savage said everything in quick bursts, with his voice dropping low, then turning loud, then low, then loud, and any time he couldn’t figure out how to end a point, he just screamed, “Ooooohhhhhhhhh yeah!” He used “ooooohhhh yeah!” as a noun, verb and adjective. It never stopped being funny. I could never decide whether the Macho Man was in on the joke. I’m also not sure it mattered.”
LOL!
May 26th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Dakota, call your son.
May 26th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Dakota Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Texans All-Pro WR Johnson Wants the Team to Sign CB Nnamdi Asomugha
May 26th, 2011 Matt Loede Posted in 2011 Free Agency, Houston Texans
Wide out Andre Johnson already has stated how he wants FB Vonta Leach to come back to the Texans in 2011, and now he’s sharing info about what he would like the team to add on defense.
The Houston Chronicle reports that Johnson has his eyes on CB Nnamdi Asomugha, and says that the CB is thinking the same way, as he has talked to him about coming to Houston a couple of times already.
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Matt Loede? Sounds like a Loede.
The Houston Chronicle’s Richard Justice says…
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/05/17/asomugha-not-interested-in-texans/
May 26th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
“No Joke: An Argument For Asomugha Back In Oakland”
Gil Brandt theory.
http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2011/no-joke-an-argument-for-asomugha-back-in-oakland/
May 26th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
I wish Davis hadn’t given Routt all that money.
May 26th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
If Aso wants to stay he will.
May 26th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
I agree with Murphy here. I’m an avid weight lifter and can vouch that weigh lifting is not functional strength
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Not true.
May 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RaiderLen Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
I agree with Murphy here. I’m an avid weight lifter and can vouch that weigh lifting is not functional strength
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Not true.
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Sure it is Len. That’s why guys who holds benchpress records at the combine are not usually in the probowl. I can bench 350 and do 110lbs dumbbell shoulder press and can vouch that it’s definitely not functional strength. When Napoleon Kaufman was so cut up, he used to complain that the trainers were afraid his muscles were not good for football.
May 26th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Simple example…lift a 50 lb sack of potatoes over your shoulder.
If after having trained for a number of years, and increased your strength, would it be easier to throw that sack on your shoulder?
That is functional strength.
Functional strength and football prowess are not directly related. Many other factors involved in Football abilities, or lack thereof.
May 26th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Baed on your answer, I think you are using book logic rather than practical experience. Lifting a 50lb sack of potato is definitely not weightlifting. It is a good way to train for functional strength though. The same applies to flipping tires.
Weight lifting is a fixed set up. In lifting a 50lb sack of potato, you use your legs and your balance. In benching, you just use a specific and fixed set up. You dont line up in football and ask the other guy to stay still while you try to bench him.
Weight lifting doesn’t make your muscle flexible either. That is why guys who are “country strong” are usually more practical than a dude who is yoked. I dont want to assume but do you lift weight (serious weight)? If you do, you’d know what I am talking about.
May 26th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
MR.. reeks (has an odor of)… reaks.. (not a word)
May 26th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
I’d like to nominate Hayesdaze, based on rationality and clarity of thought as “Poster of the Day”
May 26th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
You guys are doing the either/or thing with functional strength and weight training.
Truth is, you have to do both to compete at a high level. You also have to have a certain amount of cardiovascular endurance, even though football is primarily a fast-twitch sport. For one thing, you can’t do any kind of strength work effectively if you are underconditioned aerobically. You’ll be gassed before you’re able to do the amount of work you need to do.
That is a very simplified version, obviously. Periodization has been a staple of every elite athlete’s regimen since the Russians and East Germans popularized it back in the day, but you can bet that every single trainer employed by a professional sports team uses some variation of it.
May 26th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Aig, sorry for the delay. I was posting from work and the site crashed. lol
Yes I lift weights. Been lifting from the time I was 12.
I’m now 50. I don’t do max lifts anymore, but I bench 335 8x as part of my regular bench press routine. I haven’t done dumbell presses for a while, but currently am lifting 275 8x on a smith machine in the seated military press.
I understand, I think, where you are coming from.
“Muscle Heads” (Pro and some ammature bodybuilders)are not athletes. I might differ in that I believe, and I’m sure it’s documented, that proper weight training will improve athletic performance.
Weight training in conjunction with “alternative” training methods, such as the water work, take it to another level.
“Country Strong” to me, would most probably be a combination of “lifestyle” (farm boy) and genetics.
I once read an article about Bo Jackson, who apparently did not lift weights in HS or college, but was able none the less to bench 400 lbs. That is great genetics.
May 26th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
You guys are doing the either/or thing with functional strength and weight training.
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Not really. Weight training, done properly, improves functional strength.
Couldn’t agree more regarding cardio, but remember, weight training can and is used to enhance cardio endurance.
May 26th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
RaiderLen,
Weight training allows functional strength training to be done at a higher level. There is no sustitute for either one at the elite level, and they are both incorporated into any top-level athlete’s training.
Strength training can be used to enhance cardiovascular endurance, but the metabolic systems are different, as is the type of strength training you’re doing to accomplish that.
Please don’t take this wrong, but I would encourage you to do some research on periodization. You really can’t maximize fitness without this approach, and there is a whole lot of evidence to support that, starting with the training methods used by the former Eastern Bloc that were “discovered” after the dissolution of their respective governments and sports programs and the revelations that came from that.
One is not better than the other at the elite level. To maximize fitness, both general and sport-specific training must be incorporated to obtain optimum results. I guarantee you that the pros know, and use, this approach.
May 26th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Weight training allows functional strength training to be done at a higher level.
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My Response: Yes. Weight training, improves functional strength. My point all along.
My response to AIG :Weight training in conjunction with “alternative” training methods, such as the water work, take it to another level.
We are in agreement.
May 26th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Just saw some photos of Wiz II practicing against Seymour. WOW what a difference! Big Sey looks twice the size and strength of lil Wiz. Wiz is going to need a Vet Gaurd to help him out for a year or two whole he gets bigger and stronger. he better have near perfect technech in order to handle the NT/DT.
He’s gonna have to block the Suh, Fairly, V Bosh combo early this year.
May 26th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
In principle, we do agree to a certain extent. However, it would take a complete (and lengthy) explanation to make the complete point I’m trying to make here.
My point, in a nutshell, is that a person cannot be maximally fit without both types of training. Weight training does indeed enhance functional strength to a certain degree, but it is not the end-all.
Loads of eveidence and current practice by trainers at the very highest levels of sport validate what I’m saying.
May 26th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Weight training does indeed enhance functional strength to a certain degree,
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AIG said that it did not. I stated simply not true.
I understand. Enzymes are produced as an adaptive response to stress. The type of stress will dictate the type of enzyme produced. The number of the “helpful” enzymes increases as one performs a task with repetition.
This increases efficiency and thus performance.
May 26th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
looks like the same old kansas city fans here acting like a raider fan .they infest this site like stink in san diego .there was a time when raider fans were like brothers they stuck together like family .it didnt matter if you were black ,white ,brown,those colors didnt exist only silver n black .there are true fans in here ,but there are a few who are trying to rott the raider nation from the inside ,you know who they are if you have read these blogs at any time.insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.like trying to reason with a 4 year old child.my raider brothers that stick up for the nation here you cant win they are not raider fans ,never have been ,and never will be .they are here for one thing ,to infect the true fans like a disease.i would love to see them at a game talking sh@t like they do here they would last about as long as bozworth did in seattle against bo jackson.talk is cheap ,see you at the games next year .talk crap then (or debate )id love to see that
May 26th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Add to that neurologic pathway efficiency, and bingo.
May 26th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Wow, Derrick Rose completly choked away a national championship at Memphis with turnovers and missed FT’s down the stretch, and he did the same thing down the stretch the last few games.
Whatever “it” is, I don’t think Rose has it.
Two games in a row he missed a crucial FT with under a minute to go.
May 26th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
JFB
I’m not intereted in an arguement but to ask that kid to beat LBJ and Wade and Bosh is a little ridiculous. He’s only 6′2″ he’s the only real superstar they have the Heat legitimately have 3. Three mins. left in a game is when SS’s take over and they have repeated done so in this series.
May 26th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
ET I tried to post a statement in agreement with yours and the site had crashed. I don’t know all the technical knowledge you do but I was trying to say that pro athletes do exactly as you said all the time they weight train (lift weights) to stronger physically and functionally all the time.
My cousin Chester McGlockton rarely lifted weights and he was extremely strong (he doesn’t know strong because he rarely lifted weights) he would trhow Olineman around like rag dolls. Had he lifted weights he would’ve been even more functionally strong the trainers tried to convince him if he trained. And this is what I was trying to say if you have a trainer(strength and conditioning coach) help you thye know how touse weight training to gain functional strength through lifting.
I reied to post that but the site crashed.
May 26th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Len,
My point was focusing on weight training itself. Most people see an Adonis cut up body and think the guy is going to be a beast and that’s just not true at all.
Looking over your potato sack example, you qualify it as weight training. Quite frankly lifting a potato sack is alternative/functional training and would never qualify as weight training, imo. Weight training to me is so over hyped and that’s why you see Murphy making those comments.
btw, I have never seen anyone doing 335×8 as part of their routine. You must be some powerlifting champ.
May 26th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
btw, I have never seen anyone doing 335×8 as part of their routine. You must be some powerlifting champ.
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No power lifting. Those guys do max lifts at much higher poundage.
And yes 335 8x is part of my routine. The last part.lol
All other lifts are graduated upwards (in weight) to that point. 135, 225, 275, 315, 335.
May 26th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Raccoon I said the same thing the minute I saw Wiz in street clothes and the same with Barksdale they are in desparate need of the strength coach. There is no way WizII can beat out Satele at this point if they don’t get to camp soon Satele has to start. Wiz may be able to play G not C he’ll get bulldozed he just lacks the ‘functional strength’ lol to handle that position. The same is true with JB at OT he needs to get much bigger in his upperbody.
They may be able to play by midseason I have a hard time seeing them starting day1 they’re just not strong enough. You think Veldheer had issues was bullrushed, man Wiz at C would get manhandled.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
I’m personally trying to get to 405×1.
Just curious to what are your reps in each of those weights you mentioned.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Three mins. left in a game is when SS’s take over and they have repeated done so in this series.
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Exactly.
And Rose has gone the other way the last 3 minutes of games.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
what’s the max 1 rep you’ve done before?
May 26th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
The rap on Wiz in every media thing I read on him, was that he was great fundamentally, but lacks ideal strength for the interior.
We shall see.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
135x 20/25, 225 x10, 275 x10, 315 x8, 335x 6-8. (some days are better than others)
I’m a bit leary of max lifts at my age. Things tend to go snap crackle pop! lol
Good luck on the max quest!
May 26th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
I don’t agree with Charles Barkley a whole lot but as far as Derrick Rose getting to the conference finals show just how good Rose is. That kids is 6′2″ and faced LBJ in stretches and it took too much out of him. Chicago couldn’t help him with someone else stepping up to that level to beat the Heat.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
You’re 50 and doing 335 so what was the max rep you did while you were younger. I’m just amazed at your power.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
If you were to guess, what do you think you can max out right now?
May 26th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
what’s the max 1 rep you’ve done before?
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I haven’t attempted a max rep in 15 years probably. Back then it was 365 without a spotter. I might have been able to do higher, but I didn’t ask for a spot. It wasn’t important.
I’m stronger now for sure, as I could not lift 315 8x back then.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
You’re 50 and doing 335 so what was the max rep you did while you were younger. I’m just amazed at your power.
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Good genetics. I’ve been asked most of my adult life if I was a “bodybuilder” even during periods I wasn’t training.
My response is always “Na I lift weights, I don’t have the discipline to be a Bodybuilder. I like Beer and Cheeseburgers!”
May 26th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
I’m 39 now and was afraid I’ll lose strength by the time I’m 50. You’re my new hero if you can do 335×8 as part of your normal routine. That means you’re pushing 450×1 easily without doing all the 275×10 and 315×10. Probably only 2-3 guys max on the Raider roster that can out lift you now.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Man this is stacking up as one helluva finals because Dallas is stacked, they aint Chicago. Dallas will test the Heat they are very deep and very big. I would tend to thing Dallas wins. But Wade is truely a great player and Bosh is a great player but LeBron is the best player in the world…………bar none.
But Dallas is just way to talented and they can shoot the lights out. They have speed talent and the bets thing is Dallas’s size. But whenever it’s close I’ll go with the Heat becasue LeBron James is in the finals again for a reason and it aint to lose……………period
May 26th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Quite a few Raider fans seem to share the opinion that the Raids shouldn’t bring in a QB that will challenge JaJason for the starting position.
Hard to believe it, but they actually have bought into the ‘JaJason can’t play well with someone looking over his shoulder’ nonsense.
They claim JaJason’s fragile ego can’t handle being challenged.
Well, if JaJason can’t handle the pressure of being challenged by someone on his own roster, he sure as hell won’t be able to handle the pressure he’s going to face from opposing teams on Sunday.
I guess the Raids should accept not having a viable alternative to JaJason in case he gets injured or flames out. Don’t want to upset poor JaJason’s little feelings.
Credit to JaJason for saying and doing the right things this offseason. After JaMoron, having a dedicated professional is a huge improvement.
But this coddling and ridiculous excuse making for JaJason has got to stop.
Hasn’t been in the same system, hasn’t had a good supporting cast, can’t play well if he’s not secure as the starter.
Balderdash.
Top notch QBs adapt and learn new systems without missing a stride, they make the players around them better. They don’t fear competition for the starting job because they believe in themselves and know they’re going to get the job done.
JaJason has good reason to worry about losing the starting position.
Few more games like the ones against SF, Pitt, Tenn and St Lou and Raider fans will be wishing there was an alternative to JaJason and wondering how on earth the Raids put all their eggs in the JaJason basket because they were worried JaJason couldn’t handle a good backup being on the roster.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
If you were to guess, what do you think you can max out right now?
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Tough question! 385 I’m real confident about. 405? I’ll never know. lol
The last thing I want is for something to go SNAP!
May 26th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
They claim JaJason’s fragile ego can’t handle being challenged.
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Unfortunately it’s true and you know Al Davis will not bring any challenger to the situation. AD will give JC every possible tool to make sure AD’s proclamation is correct.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
I”m not sure I agree with the coddling stuff as much as it just cost effective not many teams have a backup getting paid as much as the starter. One thing I think fans don’t understand about players at this level. When you get to this level if you are afraid to compete you’ll never get to this level. I think people who don ‘t like JC adapt this kind of reasoning to justify the way they feel about the kid.
If you’re a starter in the NFL you’ve faced the best competition in the world and won that’s the only way you can start in this league. To say anything other than that is faulty reasoning.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
This league is about competition your entire career JC has win his starting spot every year whether he likes it or not or he’ll be shown the door so fast his head will swim. This isn’t for the faint of heart this is the NFL and starters get benched on a weekly basis. Mr Davis is trying to win a SB not some argument with fans and media he’s trying to win a SB you can’t do that coddling some QB…………..period
May 26th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
I don’t know, but after watching that video I only have one thing to say…those guys better get in shape. lol…
May 26th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
The coach admitted it. The players around him admitted as well. But you keep on making excuses. SMH.
May 26th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
The coach admitted coddling his QB and that Mr Davis coddles his QB ……..yeah right!
The only thing the HC said is that Camp is his starter the same as any coach would his starter unless he had someone better. If Mr Davis could get a better QB he’d do it in the morning. Give him Payton Manning and see if he turns him down. It’s ridiculous!!
May 26th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
173. Campbell played poorly and said he struggled with the playbook early on but later he made plays with his arm, with his feet, protected the ball, took wicked shots and got back up and frankly earned the starting slot even after losing his job.
He’s worth a shot but even if we wanted Donovan or VY or Favre or even Manning no one is getting traded and installing them in one season without OTAs camps or pre season games would be a tall order.
Soup is the man for now. like it or not.
May 26th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Nnamdi21 they hate the kid but they wont say it they hide behind stuff like he gets coddled and crap like that. Camp won the job fair and square simple as that. I would love to have a proven great QB like Manning and so would Mr Davis we don’t have one and we need a starting QB we can’t move forward without one. And so far Camp is it. He deserves a shot to get the job done if he proves he just isn’t capable they will dump him…………….period
May 26th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
At least Campbell’s not crunk out his mine all the time like “He who shall remain feckless”.
I’d like some competition for sure. Boller’s a turn over machine and can’t read D’s.
Like it or not it may be Frye at #2 IF his wrist injury isn’t career threatning.
May 26th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Good to know our starting QB is trying out for his job. Must be a Super Bowl year.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
OMG, they’re talking about weight lifting in here today. I’m sure it was hilarious. I’ll go over the comments tomorrow.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
It’s one thing not to bring in a QB due to objections such as cost, age, lack of ability, injury history or mental instability.
I can appreciate Raider fans not wanting to bring in guys like VY, Palmer, McNabb, Bulger etc. because of legitimate issues like the ones I mentioned above.
That’s understandable and I’m fine with that rationale even if I don’t necessarily agree with a fellow Raider fan’s assessment of said player.
But to go into a season without another QB that could step in if JaJason goes down or flames out – or could possible beat out JaJason for the starting position – because JaJason’s play might suffer if he’s not the unquestioned starter is absolutely ludicrous.
That’s an untenable position for the Raids to take and I think even JaJason would agree with that.
May 26th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
People actually want to sign Trentative Edwards?! I’m also a Bills fan (I’m masochistic that way)and I saw first hand how all he would do is hold on to the ball until he was sacked or check down do the running back. He does not throw the deep ball so I don’t know if he has the arm strength. All the receivers were subtly supporting Fitzpatrick no matter who was playing at the time.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:25 am
Priesttj Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Nnamdi21 they hate the kid but they wont say it they hide behind stuff like he gets coddled and crap like that. Camp won the job fair and square simple as that. I would love to have a proven great QB like Manning and so would Mr Davis we don’t have one and we need a starting QB we can’t move forward without one. And so far Camp is it. He deserves a shot to get the job done if he proves he just isn’t capable they will dump him…………….period
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u either win or have the intangibles conducive to win games.
That an your ambition an abilitiy to watch film break down defenses as well ad orchestrate offeneses is what your evaluated on. Which is y I can’t see y Ja Marcus Russell failed. Other than he’s just Ja Dumb Ass,when it comes to reading a playbook an understanding NFL defenses??
May 27th, 2011 at 12:28 am
That was a typsy comment. I’m out.
C ya tmw folks.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:35 am
Oh an BTW those of u who are questioning who I am.
Than you ain’t Bern here long enough.
An those who support me.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!
May 27th, 2011 at 2:13 am
priesttj Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
I”m not sure I agree with the coddling stuff as much as it just cost effective not many teams have a backup getting paid as much as the starter. One thing I think fans don’t understand about players at this level. When you get to this level if you are afraid to compete you’ll never get to this level. I think people who don ‘t like JC adapt this kind of reasoning to justify the way they feel about the kid.
If you’re a starter in the NFL you’ve faced the best competition in the world and won that’s the only way you can start in this league. To say anything other than that is faulty reasoning.
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i dont think cost effective is in Mr.Davis vocabulary .if he wants a player he will send them to the bank with a smile on their face (even the kickers).if the raiders dont bring in a number 2 they either have faith in the one they have ,or theres no one available thats any better than what they have.if quality and cost go hand in hand i would pay number 2 very well but his a$$ better be ready when the time comes.(montana /young )is a good example.QB is position you cant afford to have a drop in performance if your going to compete ,otherwise your high priced payroll is just a waste,and every one knows who has the highest payroll
May 27th, 2011 at 3:29 am
Priest,
I think part of the reason we’re seeing some of these guys perform the way they do nowadays has a lot to do with the fact that almost everyone trains hard now.
Back in the day a player could get by (and in some cases, be dominant) with superior genetics (as in the case of your cousin). While some can still do that, the truly dominant players of today are spending as much time in the gym and with their trainers (and nutritionists) as they do in the film room and on the practice field.
Chester was a great player. I really enjoyed watching him play. Can’t even imagine what he would have been like had he taken his trainers’ advice to heart.
May 27th, 2011 at 5:56 am
Go Heat !!!
May 27th, 2011 at 6:13 am
Dying for some football and all I’ve got over here is……(sob)………cricket.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:13 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Rockstar…normally I would agree with you! However, F Mr. “Gee, what should I FN do?” But geez…I am biting my tongue as I say this…Go Dallas!!! UGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Truthfully, Jason Kidd and Dirk deserve one, but remember the last time these 2 teams met in the Finals…???…
May 27th, 2011 at 6:14 am
192.neilb Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 6:13 am
Dying for some football and all I’ve got over here is……(sob)………cricket.
I hear ya Neil…
After 2 weeks…we will have nothing here, also! Unless you can stand to watch baseball pre-playoffs!
May 27th, 2011 at 6:20 am
Morning Hwnrdr.
Sickening isn’t it?
Don’t know how long I’ll be able to post.Site keeps cutting me off.Same problem as before.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:22 am
……..just don’t want to look rude by leaving without saying I’m leaving!
May 27th, 2011 at 6:24 am
Heat? That Basketball? See,you’ve got two sports to watch!
May 27th, 2011 at 6:25 am
Yeah, but it will end by Father’s Day…lol…Two Weeks left…
May 27th, 2011 at 6:32 am
Well,this time next year the Olympics will be on.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:37 am
I’m going to sign of before this site starts messing me around.
Have a great Friday Hwnrdr.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:42 am
You do the same, Neil!
May 27th, 2011 at 6:56 am
No stopping the Heat. A bunch of haters going to eat some crow. That Cavs owner who guaranteed the Cavs would win a championship before Lebron. Where do I go to collect my money?
May 27th, 2011 at 7:03 am
It’s encouraging to see the boys in black working on their game down in Hotlanta. I am nervous about what free agency will be like once they settle this lockout. Tampa Bay has already decided to close its offices, and laying off personnel. This thing is slowly shutting down now. How much of a clusterfudge will it be once FA period opens back up?
May 27th, 2011 at 7:06 am
You know what Guest? I have said it before that if the Heat gets to the Finals, they will win it…and I like Dwyane Wade…but…right now, I just don’t think LeBron should get one! I’d have to cheer for the “probably last hoorah” guys in Dirk and Kidd!
May 27th, 2011 at 7:15 am
I haven’t really talked much about the Heat, but as far as I can remember this season, I felt the Heat would win it all. I have sprinkled a few heat comments on this blog from time to time. Not changing my tune now.
May 27th, 2011 at 7:34 am
The NBA finals is ‘Clash of the Titans’ again last year was unbelievable with Kobe trying to slay the Boston dragon the way Magic once did. This year I think the better team is Dallas with Kidd and Dirk and a outstanding supporting caste. But the three headed monster with the Heat are as incredible as it gets. I think LBJ is hands down the best player in the game right now yes DWade is in the conversation but LBJ is Magic & Michael mixed into one. The best of LBJ is about to decend on the NBA we haven’t seen the “King James” we’re about to see. That doesn’t mean they will win it means if Dallas wants this ring they better strap it on and play the A game EVERY game. If they don’t they wont (win the ring)…………period
May 27th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Tj, you are right…and one thing about Dallas though is that old saying…you live by the 3, you die by the 3…they have to bring it on! Dallas is a better “team” but the Heat is better talent with the big 3…but LBJ is NOT Jordan or Magic…not yet, nor do I think he will ever be, although he is playing like he wants his Ring though!
May 27th, 2011 at 7:57 am
I wished the Lakers would have made it to the finals. Would have been that more satisfying a win for the Heat. The Mavs are going to lose and since they haven’t dont anything of note to this point in their history, the win wont mean as much. To be the Lakers in the Finals would have put a bow tie on this Heat run for the Championship.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:04 am
That is what everyone wanted to see…Kobe vs. LeBron…like all good matchups, it won’t happen…and if the Lakers made it, The Heat wouldn’t have been guaranteed an easy victory, either…They may have won, but it wouldn’t have been as easy as you would have wanted it…just saying!
May 27th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Dan Gilbert, Owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers said this last July:
“I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE”
You can take it to the bank.
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May 27th, 2011 at 8:12 am
I remember that…but yeah, that’s not gonna happen! LOL
Anyways…I guess that swimming pool workout was a tough one for the JC and the boys…they really should try to workout on the sand! Builds better endurance…
May 27th, 2011 at 8:22 am
I agree with Guest in that this NBA Finals will mean nothing.
Too bad for the Heat that they didn’t face a healthy Boston team with Perkins or the Lake Show. It’s like they are getting a free pass to the finals. 80 pts gets you a win? 4 pt plays?????? LMFAO!!!! I stopped paying attention last night with Chi up 10 with 3 min to go. Chicago is terrible. OKC and the Bulls couldn’t have made worse showings in the conf finals. Looked like they didn’t even belong on the floor.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:24 am
Derrick Rose + Kevin Durant = not quite ready for prime time!
May 27th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Lebron went to a championship way before Michael Jordan did in his career and with less than MJ did. LBJ is finally on a team similar to the teams that won championships for Michael and Magic. Both Mike and Magic were on awesome teams when they won Championships and when they were on awesome teams they LOST!!
LeBron is 26 years ols if they win this year he will have won a ring younger than Mike. Everyone gives Mike credit for things he did and for things he didn’t they make excuses for Mike they blame others for. When Mike was hogging the ball he had to, when Kobe was hogging the ball he was selfish. When Kobe couldn’t win a ring with a young inexperinced team he was killed in the media. When Mike couldn’t do it and was dominating the ball people made excuses until magic got old and Bird got old and the bad boys were no longer that’s when Mike started winning until then he couldn’t get a sniff of a championship.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Jhill there aint a thing wrong with those kids except help you cannot get to or win a championship by yourself. No one has and no one will no matter how talented they are. Rose needs help…………..period
May 27th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Jhill the same thing happened for Mike in several championships he played against subpar teams does that diminish his rings?
May 27th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Funny how all you guys are already counting out the Mavs. Dirk is scoring better than anyone in these playoffs and sometimes a team just has that magical season and every ball bounces their way. We have all seen it happen.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:44 am
I hear ya but Mike was mentally tough, had class and delivered game after game. He played defenses that could hand check and beeat you up and he did it again and again.
Plus, nobody played like Mike did during his time. Now all of thes guys including Kobie and Lebron mimicked his style. Every complete electrifying player going forward is compared to Mike Jordan. It is like any new martial artist being compared to Bruce Lee. There were other Masters before him but he captured the energy, the passion he became the legend. Mike became the legend for basketball. He made basketball a dance, an art form with no comparison. He delivered in big games over and over again.
I think he can be arrogant as all heck some time, but the guys game was incredible.
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214.priesttj Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Lebron went to a championship way before Michael Jordan did in his career and with less than MJ did. LBJ is finally on a team similar to the teams that won championships for Michael and Magic. Both Mike and Magic were on awesome teams when they won Championships and when they were on awesome teams they LOST!!
LeBron is 26 years ols if they win this year he will have won a ring younger than Mike. Everyone gives Mike credit for things he did and for things he didn’t they make excuses for Mike they blame others for. When Mike was hogging the ball he had to, when Kobe was hogging the ball he was selfish. When Kobe couldn’t win a ring with a young inexperinced team he was killed in the media. When Mike couldn’t do it and was dominating the ball people made excuses until magic got old and Bird got old and the bad boys were no longer that’s when Mike started winning until then he couldn’t get a sniff of a championship.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:45 am
I just hope that Stern and the rest of the NBA settles for nothing less than a HARD salary cap. Its time all teams are on a more level playing field.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:47 am
MJ was smooth as silk. Lebron is a great player, but he doesnt have that kinda game.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:50 am
I want this lockout to end so bad, I can’t stand basketball and its all we have to talk about in here.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:50 am
CJLegend You couldn’t touch Michael Jordan you could barely breath on him without him going to the line like it was FT drills. Look the NBA needed kordan because Magic and Bird got old
May 27th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Regarding the lockout and waiting on June 3rd court date;
I think the players position is weak and the owners know it. They are arguing over a billion dollars off the top. The players are going to have to concede to the owners. They will save face by getting a rookie salary cap and then that money will be offset to veteran’s salaries. They will probably get to 4 year deals that lead to UFA status. But that’s probably all the players get as a bone from the owners. All this stalling is pointless. The players are going to lose.
May 27th, 2011 at 8:53 am
I put money on Dallas when they dismantled the Lakers but don’t know what I’d dislike more, seeing Cuban or seeing Lebron hoisting the championship trophy
May 27th, 2011 at 9:02 am
MJ lost to tough Detroit teams that were far from old. I agree that Rose needs help, but all you can ask for is to be in the games late. The MVP is supposed to give you a little bit more in the last 3 min of the game than Rose did in the last 3 games.
And who’s counting out Diggler? I still have him getting a ring unless the refs give it to Miami like the last time they met.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Vegas odds say there is no season, imagine how lame this blog is going to be in October with no football.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:06 am
I bet there will be a season, but it will be shortened by 2 games.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:07 am
this time next year the Olympics will be on
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Neil,
what a snooze fest!
May 27th, 2011 at 9:07 am
I wished the Lakers would have made it to the finals. Would have been that more satisfying a win for the Heat. The Mavs are going to lose and since they haven’t dont anything of note to this point in their history, the win wont mean as much. To be the Lakers in the Finals would have put a bow tie on this Heat run for the Championship.
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Co-Sign!
May 27th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Jhill you try shooting over one of the best athletes to ever grace a BBl court at 6′2″ and he’s 6′8″ and as quick as you are. Come on man they trapped him and took away his strong suit attacking the basket he can only do so much.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:12 am
This Mav’s team is better than many of the teams that the Bulls faced and won.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:12 am
I bet there will be a season, but it will be shortened by 2 games
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you can take New England (10/02) off the schedule
you can also take @ Green Bay (12/11) off the schedule
thanks G!
May 27th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Vegas odds say there is no season…
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Where’d you see a line on that posted ?
I’d like to bet there is a season.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:14 am
This Mav’s team is better than many of the teams that the Bulls faced and won.
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TJ,
so you agree that the Lakers should trade Kobe to Dallas in exchange for Jason Kidd & Jason Terry?
May 27th, 2011 at 9:17 am
[...] of now the Oakland Raiders are still moving forward with holding their camp in Napa as they’ve been doing for the past 15 years now. The consensus is [...]
May 27th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Opening week line.
Raiders 42
Broncos -1
May 27th, 2011 at 9:18 am
The problem I have with the Michael Jordan mystigue is you cannot give an honest appraisal of MJ with out being attacked by everyone if you don’t bow down to his HOLYNESS!
Mike was a great player one of the bets I ever saw but he wasn’t the BEST I ever saw.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Eagles quarterback Kevin Kolb has become a symbol of this lockout, stuck in limbo for months while we find nothing better to do than speculate about his future.
After showing up to Eagles workouts Thursday, Kolb said the situation has been difficult. But if he winds up getting stuck in Philadelphia as a backup because the lockout lasts too long, he says he won’t become a distraction.
“I want an opportunity,” Kolb told Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer. “If the situation can’t be avoided, I’m not going to sit there and be a turd. It’s not my style. I think I’ve voiced my opinion, and there’s nothing else I can do.”
-PFT
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Ahhh, thats what a man does. Kolb is all class
Cincy will never win with cry babies like Palmer, Ocho & Owens or criminals like Benson, Tank Johnson & Pacman Jones on the roster
May 27th, 2011 at 9:21 am
RRS are you serious?? trade Kobe ? they can if they want to it would be on eof the single dumbest things I’ve ever seen but hey!! It wouldn’t shock me.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Kurt Warner believes the lockout is going to end in time for the 2011 NFL season to begin as scheduled. But those on the players’ side may not be happy to hear how Warner thinks that’s going to happen.
Warner told USA Today that he thinks it’s the players who are going to have to budge and meet the demands of the owners to get a deal done.
“I’m still optimistic that they’re going to find a way to make sure there’s football,” Warner said. “The players have too much to lose. And as much as I hate to say it, at some point, the players have to give in. And, hopefully, they can gain some other things on their side. But ultimately, they have too much to lose.”
Warner’s comments are a bit surprising coming from a player, but they’re consistent with his previous comments that the players got a great deal on the last Collective Bargaining Agreement, and that it’s not realistic to expect to keep that deal forever.
So Warner, who left millions of dollars on the table when he decided to retire, thinks the current players are going to have to give up some money, too.
-PFT
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Co-sign with Kurt Warner!
May 27th, 2011 at 9:23 am
are you serious?? trade Kobe ?
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Yes, but only if Mike Brown wants to win
May 27th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Gotta keep Bynum, Gasol & Fisher.
Kidd & Terry for Kobe …
see what you can get for Odom & Artest
May 27th, 2011 at 9:28 am
MJ- why he’s the best: most consistent winner
Kobe- why he’s the best: when he’s hot no one is better
Magic- why he’s the best: in team game ultimate team player brought the most out of his teammates
Lebron- why he’s the best: most talented ever
Shaq- why he’s the best: most unstoppable player ever
May 27th, 2011 at 9:29 am
here we go. I got it
Lakers get:
Jason Kidd
Jason Terry
Caron Butler
Shawn Marion
Mavs get:
Bryant
Odom
Artest
May 27th, 2011 at 9:34 am
http://www.betfirms.com/nfl-lockout-odds/
May 27th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Bible thumping conservative Kurt Warnter shills for the owners, tells the players they need to budge. In related news, The sun rose today, around 6am.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Chaz Schilens was at workouts on day 2. he signed a ball for a correspondent there. he said that schilens looked healthy and sharp.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:45 am
“Cincy will never win with cry babies like Palmer, Ocho & Owens or criminals like Benson, Tank Johnson & Pacman Jones on the roster”
Pretty much half of the NFL is full of cry babies and criminals. Todays athlete may be bigger faster stronger but they lack in dedication to the game and are more worried about their money and dancing after making a mundane tackle than winning.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:45 am
And like most Republicans, Kurt Warner wants everyone to go without,…only after he got his.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Season will start on time. Owners will get what they want. Unfortunately, too many people today, including NFL football players, have been brainwashed with the same ideology as Kurt Warner. They’ll buckle eventually. I feel sorry for the less paid players when their careers are over. They’d might as well make funeral plans. They’ll get better health care that way.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Warner is right though, the players are asking for too much. i think a lot of people side with the players because we want football and i’m with you, but in reality the owners are right…shady yes, but ultimately they’ve been paying too much for players especially rookies and with this ruling in june they will be helpless. they should bargain now before the ruling.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Why MJ is the best ever?
Because he got a few Defensive Players of the Year awards to go along with his offense. Can’t say that about Bird, Magic, Kobe, Lebron or anyone that I have seen play since the 80’s.
MJ shut down Clyde and a bunch of other guys that ever played him.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:00 am
“the players are asking for too much. i think a lot of people side with the players because we want football and i’m with you, but in reality the owners are right”
you are 100% accurate on this, good post.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:02 am
” I feel sorry for the less paid players when their careers are over. They’d might as well make funeral plans.”
You feel sorry for guys making 600,000 a year?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:06 am
If you’ve been paid $100k for your job the past 2 years and you know your company is making more money than ever NOW, do you now accept to be paid $80k? I doubt any of you would accept that.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:07 am
The problem is the Leauge is making more money than ever now. That is why it will be hard to ask the players to take less. If the league was losing money, then they have a case.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:08 am
“do you now accept to be paid $80k? I doubt any of you would accept that.”
Over unemployment HELL YES!!!
May 27th, 2011 at 10:12 am
I agree that the owners should be able to pay the players what ever they want.
The players have the right to say no and seek employment elsewhere.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:14 am
“The players have the right to say no and seek employment elsewhere.”
Thats how it works in the real world people!
May 27th, 2011 at 10:21 am
The players have the right to say no and seek employment elsewhere.
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But they dont. And in the real world, a top engineering grad from Stanford do not get drafted to work only for Google before he/she becomes a free agent.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:21 am
MJ never shut down Clyde Drexler they had similar #’s in that series.
MJ never shut down anyone that he wasn’t bigger and better than. He’d take on second level playerss who wereaverage players and shut them down pretty good but I never saw him play anyone that was a great player and shut him down………The myths about him never stop. He was a great defender but no better than LBJ and a bunch a great defenders.
Let his worshipors tell it he also walked on water…
May 27th, 2011 at 10:22 am
LOL!
Exactly 666.
They could always collect unemployment.
This is unreal to me. Is there another example in the world of employees turning down this type of cash? The owners should just set the rules and pay scales they see fit, and set out some now hiring signs.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:24 am
If Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Intel and Oracle ever form a league and tell all the engineering grads to register to get drafted or else you can’t apply, you’d know the public will bash them and the courts will strike down on them so hard.
But it’s ok for NFL?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:26 am
“And in the real world, a top engineering grad from Stanford do not get drafted to work only for Google”
happens all the time, top law firms seek out potentially good lawyers while they are still in school, Microsoft and Apple seek out top code writers that are still in school. Not sure what point you were trying to make?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:30 am
AIG,
The players certainly have the choice to seek employment elsewhere. CFL, UFL, holdout for a year and go back into the draft, or put that college education to work and get a real job. The idea that these employees should be “partners” of some sort is ridiculous to me.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:31 am
AIG
The NFL does not operate like a corporation if it did people like Al Davis and Ralph Wilson would be ousted by the board members for being to old to run a company.
We all need to remember that it is a privilege to play professional sports and salaries have sky rocketed beyond what is reasonable. when you have a team like the Texas rangers paying A-ROD 250 million dollars while the team is only worth 750 million its time to make some changes.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:35 am
The NFL is an entertainment industry. I guess I dont really consider them a real job industry. They are like actors and musicians, and should be paid like that.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:35 am
263.aig-raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:24 am
If Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Intel and Oracle ever form a league and tell all the engineering grads to register to get drafted or else you can’t apply, you’d know the public will bash them and the courts will strike down on them so hard.
But it’s ok for NFL?
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I guess I’ll have to get a job at Symantec, or Apple Scrub player that I am!
May 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
Hello my good ppl!
Wow ome of my favs are on here….AIG,irjonny,Jhill,BHP and the scholarship man 666!
Whats the word fellas?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Some young hot shot would say eff oracle and Microsoft and start his own company.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Wassup B
Sad display off Bball the past few days.
I like the Mike Brown hire. Always been a fan of Popovich and his defensive style.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Priest,
Why do you even try? As usual, you sprout your mouth off without knowing anything at all.
1. Here is the link to the stats in that series. Here’s a quick hint…someone avg 35.8 pts per game and the other guy was 24.8 pts per game. Are you sure they had similar numbers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NBA_Finals
2. Outside of the first game, the difference between games 2 to 6 were about 9 points a game. That means MJ’s 10 points difference was what clinched the series.
2. MJ won Defensive Player of the Year in the same year he got the league scoring title. Name me one other player since the 80’s that achieved this status?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:43 am
I wish I was on scholarship, I would spend my money on bling and expensive cars then wonder why I was broke a year later.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Ok say all top Silicon Valley Tech companies decide to form a league of their own and they have drafts for college graduates. What do you say to that now? That’s exactly what the NFL is.
The NFL has an anti-trust exemption which is EFFIN BALONEY in my book. The NFL is one of the most un-American business practice in this country. They know it and you know it.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Priest,
I’m not a big MJ fan by the way. But you have to give the guy his props. He adjusted to the tough Jordan rules Det implemented and took his game to another level. He put on 15lbs or so of muscle and worked on his jumper. The guy changed the way the game was played.
You can argue that Kobe has better basketball skills, but like LeBron, the thing that sets him apart from Kobe is his physical beastness, if you will.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am
666,
No one forced the Rangers to pay A-Rod 250 million. The Rangers owner was the idiot that paid him. Why are you not holding that owner responsible?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:46 am
What up Bauce. Feel free to jump in on the Jordan vs LeBron thing.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Is this Jordan vs LeBron??????
LeBron can never be in the conversation with MJ. He gave up that right the minute he went to D Wade’s team.
LeBron can only be compared to guys like Scottie Pippen and other “Robin” types.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Who else is pumped up the BIG ONE at Wembley tommorow?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:43 am
I wish I was on scholarship, I would spend my money on bling and expensive cars then wonder why I was broke a year later.
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Man I hear ya on that
May 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:46 am
What up Bauce. Feel free to jump in on the Jordan vs LeBron thing.
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For what? Tell me the argument….I dont know how a comparison gets made at all
May 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am
The problem with the silicon valley scenario is those companies will always pay for the best product, not just their product. If i am a hot young grad, I could still write my own ticket outside of the silicon valley syndicate. I would simply be an outsource option for those same companies.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Look yall…Kobe, Wade,Lebron or none of them fools are better than Jordan. Only players in discussion of best all time played from the 90s on back.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:57 am
But Jordan is not the greatest player of all time though.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Bauce,
Pippen said LBJ maybe the best ever. There’s a counter that MJ or a few other guys were better.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:58 am
AIG
you are correct no one forced the owners hand and yes I blame the owner for over paying not the player.
I am just saying with out of whack numbers at some point something has to give.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:58 am
aig-raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Priest,
Why do you even try? As usual, you sprout your mouth off without knowing anything at all.
1. Here is the link to the stats in that series. Here’s a quick hint…someone avg 35.8 pts per game and the other guy was 24.8 pts per game. Are you sure they had similar numbers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NBA_Finals
2. Outside of the first game, the difference between games 2 to 6 were about 9 points a game. That means MJ’s 10 points difference was what clinched the series.
2. MJ won Defensive Player of the Year in the same year he got the league scoring title. Name me one other player since the 80’s that achieved this status?
Kobe when focused better defender than Mike because he could guard faster guards in his day (Rondo, Westbrook) and bigger small forwards (Pierce, Lebron, Mello) Lebron is now showing he could do the same of course Lebron is only doing it during this years playoffs Kobe and Mike did it for years. Kobe the best offensively when he wanted to of the three. Mike get’s the edge because he was just better more consistently, Lebron has a chance to catch him don’t think he will tho
May 27th, 2011 at 10:59 am
AIG….just so you know….Jerry West will show you what I mean about Monta Ellis and Steph Curry
May 27th, 2011 at 11:04 am
The problem with the silicon valley scenario is those companies will always pay for the best product, not just their product. If i am a hot young grad, I could still write my own ticket outside of the silicon valley syndicate. I would simply be an outsource option for those same companies.
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Arent the NFL already paying for the best and most qualified football players in the world? Yes.
Can any of these current players be an outsource to the NFL? No.
Can the players just choose to apply for who they think is the best team just like the real world? No. They have to wait to earn that right first. We dont have that rule in the real world.
So again, the NFL as an employer is not the real world and I dare any of you to tell me it is.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Figures that you would need a Laker to come straighten that mess out.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:11 am
“So again, the NFL as an employer is not the real world”
Your right because in the real world the slaves work for free not 7.5 million a year like they do in the NFL.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:12 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
May 25th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Carry them to what title? At the end of the day we are talking about being a champion. none of those guys you mentioned carried a team to the title
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Four words: Isaih Thomas, Brent Barry
Oh and lefty maybe I should leave the wild speculations to you blog vets?
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Just have to correct this…….Brent Barry? Stop it please
Isiah Thomas was a great damn player and he was clutch as hell but those bad boy teams from the late 80s thru the early 90s had dope ass players on it that all could bust.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Kobe when focused better defender than Mike because he could guard faster guards in his day (Rondo, Westbrook) and bigger small forwards (Pierce, Lebron, Mello) Lebron is now showing he could do the same of course Lebron is only doing it during this years playoffs Kobe and Mike did it for years.
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I disagree with your analysis.
1. Not sure if you are old enough to remember that Timmy Hardaway in his prime was the one of the quickest and had the most devastating cross over in his time. Guess where he had the worst game of his career…in Chicago. I think he broke the record for being zero for 20 or something FG attempts.
2. Kobe didnt play defense everyday. Mike brought it. Whenever he played against another top player who was not a PF or C, he would not only score on them but shut them down. There’s a reason Mike owned 6 rings and I am not even his fan.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Of course the NFL is not the real world.
I think what we are trying to get across to you is that same point. It’s not a “real job”.
Peyton Manning could certainly go play football for the CFL or UFL and make a lot of $. He could coach somewhere, give clinics, or a lot of other things besides play for the NFL.
But he CHOOSES to play in the NFL because it pays more $ and offers better competition.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Bauce,
I like Jerry West and hope he doesnt give away Monta to LA for free. Watch for a Bynum and Ellis or Curry swap.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:15 am
J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Figures that you would need a Laker to come straighten that mess out.
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Whatever man over the course of the years you have taken Bill Sharmin and Phil Jackson to save your crap so spare me.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:16 am
A couple of points…
You have to register for the NFL draft, you can choose not to be a part of the NFL draft and choose to sign a undrafted free agent contract with the team of YOUR choice.
The skyrocketing salaries for players is not different then the corporate world. In the 1990s people were paying through the roof for young associates at Law firms, now the market has balanced itself out and salaries are not as high.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Bauce,
I like Jerry West and hope he doesnt give away Monta to LA for free. Watch for a Bynum and Ellis or Curry swap.
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Come on he aint doing that. That aint gonna help the Lakers at all
Warriors want to get bigger as a team. Curry will be staying. David Lee they want out even with that crap contract. Udoh will be starting and we will try to get a big man. I say Bogut. Draft Alec Burks is he falls to you. Got a young squad for the future that fast.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:19 am
“Isiah Thomas was a great damn player and he was clutch as hell”
Isiah and Magic are my favorite players.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Kobe when focused better defender than Mike because he could guard faster guards in his day (Rondo, Westbrook) and bigger small forwards (Pierce, Lebron, Mello) Lebron is now showing he could do the same of course Lebron is only doing it during this years playoffs Kobe and Mike did it for years.
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I disagree with your analysis.
1. Not sure if you are old enough to remember that Timmy Hardaway in his prime was the one of the quickest and had the most devastating cross over in his time. Guess where he had the worst game of his career…in Chicago. I think he broke the record for being zero for 20 or something FG attempts.
2. Kobe didnt play defense everyday. Mike brought it. Whenever he played against another top player who was not a PF or C, he would not only score on them but shut them down. There’s a reason Mike owned 6 rings and I am not even his fan.
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Man I’ve seen Jordan get hit before but he could lock down when it was time. But I give Kobe slight edge defensively just because his defense on PGs is better.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:22 am
J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Of course the NFL is not the real world.
I think what we are trying to get across to you is that same point. It’s not a “real job”.
Peyton Manning could certainly go play football for the CFL or UFL and make a lot of $. He could coach somewhere, give clinics, or a lot of other things besides play for the NFL.
But he CHOOSES to play in the NFL because it pays more $ and offers better competition.
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I give up. Gotta be one of the weirdest replies by you. I’ll go point for point to you.
—-I think what we are trying to get across to you is that same point. It’s not a “real job”.
Answer – Really? I mean Really? Why is it not a real job? Peyton has a specific skill set that maybe only 2 other guys in this world posesses. Oprah makes a gazillion per year because she has a specific skillset. Why shouldn’t Peyton be paid for his unique talent? You dont get paid any where near Peyton because you aint possessing that unique skillsets. There are a gazillion immigrants that can take over your job and think it is the best job in the world…that is if you are employed.
Are the Colts losing money with Peyton’s salary or are they benefiting from Peyton being their star and they make a 100+ millions from it?
You guys are incredible you know that.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Bauce,
The Lakers need a replacement for Fischer badly. They need a pg.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:19 am
“Isiah Thomas was a great damn player and he was clutch as hell”
Isiah and Magic are my favorite players.
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Yeah MJ coulndt win until the Pistons fell apart and The Lakers got old then Magic was playing with the virus. Jordan was great but the 90s was weakest era of basketball. You telling me Isiah,Dr J,Bird and Magic/Kareem ofthe 80s would let someone win 3peat twice inthe same decade? Come on. Within a six year period inthe 90s we saw 6 expansion teams come in. That is like 80 players who didnt belong in the nba. Watered down product and it took a while for the nba to get good again
May 27th, 2011 at 11:25 am
“You guys are incredible you know that.”
Thank you, I would have to agree with you on that point!
May 27th, 2011 at 11:26 am
and Mike never threw tantrums on his team like Kobe did. Nobody on his team dared crossing him.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:26 am
To sum it up AIG would give up his first born and grab his ankles for the Peyton Mannings of the world and 666 would try and operate a business.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Bauce,
The Lakers need a replacement for Fischer badly. They need a pg.
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Mike Brown will never take defense as bad as Curry’s lol. And Lacob and West love the kid. Did you not hear his comments on Curry?……..and ellis?
May 27th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:26 am
and Mike never threw tantrums on his team like Kobe did. Nobody on his team dared crossing him.
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Fk that MJ has socked some of his teammates and talked down to people as well. He is an a**hole just like Kobe….but he aint a snitch
May 27th, 2011 at 11:32 am
We are “incredible” because we disagree with you?
LMFAO!
The issue is choice of where to work.
It’s quite simple mayne.
The NFL is one company that employs football players.
There are other companies that employ football players.
It’s like you telling me that you are the best programmer in the world so you HAVE to work for Apple, AND you get to tell them how much you want them to pay you.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Bauce,
I dont remember Mike going through a quarter where he refused to shoot the ball because he was throwing a tantrum. Kobe did that.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Bauce,
I dont remember Mike going through a quarter where he refused to shoot the ball because he was throwing a tantrum. Kobe did that.
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Very true….I agree Kobe is worse nightmare than MJ just because he is a little spoiled rich kid with no personality
May 27th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Players are only worth what the owners are willing to pay and that part of the business is the real world my friends.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:41 am
I noticed you had no coherent response to my point.
You are incredible because you fail to recognize the NFL is NOT one company. It is a collection of the best football companies in the world that decided to impose its own rules rather than playing by the same rules 99.9% of other US companies are required to do.
You are incredible because you are supporting Employers that employ unfair business practice and you try to blame it on the employees. What if The top fortune 500 companies in this country decided to form its own federation?
Lastly, say Peyton decided to accept $200k per year. Who’s going to get the other $19+ mil that he didnt take? It aint going to come back to you the fans. But go ahead and blame the players.
Who’s the one being fck in the rears and dont know it.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Bauce,
MJ had the best first step in his time. There was no other player that had a faster first step than him, imo. Any W’s fan can vouch for Timmy Hardaway was one of the quickest PG in the league in his days and MJ shut him down like it was nothing. Westbrook and CP3 aint got anything near Hardaway when Run TMC was alive and well.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Players are only worth what the owners are willing to pay and that part of the business is the real world my friends.
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And players have the right to tell the owners they dont like what they are being offered now, which is exactly what they are doing. Real world as well.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:47 am
302.aig-raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Bauce,
The Lakers need a replacement for Fischer badly. They need a pg.
^^^^^^^
Yep! The Lakers getting CP3 is more important then getting Howard.
Then, the Lakers will get Beast Griffin in about 4 years.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am
You make an excellent point AIG, and I believe your trying to illustrate how the draft is unfair. I do agree, however if I were an owner I would lobby with the other owners to have a raise the minimum salary and increase the health benefits after football. Now in instituting these changes the money would come from the banishment of ridiculously lucrative contracts. There would be a cap on the amount per year any player could earn including signing bonuses. I would like to see how the players liked that ish….
May 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am
“Lastly, say Peyton decided to accept $200k per year. Who’s going to get the other $19+ mil that he didnt take? It aint going to come back to you the fans”
If Peyton decided to accept $200k per year we would still be paying $20 a seat at the games instead of $75.
So your wrong it would come back to us!
May 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Unfair?
Oh, ok let’s all sit around and sing folk songs and be “fair”.
Why should the fans get back the balance of what Manning didn’t sign for? What sense does that even make?
The bottom line will always be that owners should and will make WAY more than employees.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am
666,
You know the average NFL career lasts just a few years. Cut the b.s. Hardly any NFL players wind up making 6 figure salaries every year of their life. Don’t be stupid.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:54 am
If the NFL was like the corporate world then your positions pay would be outlined for you.
Example:
QB’s make 7.5 – 9 million a year
RB’s make 6.5 – 8
OL make 3.5 – 5
No more and no less.
Like when you see a job advertised on Monster it clearly states that you can earn between 85,000 and 110,000 a year.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:55 am
J Hill, what do you mean owners ’should make way more than their employees’? Says who?
May 27th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Bauce,
MJ had the best first step in his time. There was no other player that had a faster first step than him, imo. Any W’s fan can vouch for Timmy Hardaway was one of the quickest PG in the league in his days and MJ shut him down like it was nothing. Westbrook and CP3 aint got anything near Hardaway when Run TMC was alive and well.
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AIG….hold on…now if we are talking athleticism and quickness Kobe has Jordan beat. Footwork as well. MJ is superior up top.
I agree about Timmy
May 27th, 2011 at 11:57 am
666, I seriously doubt the jobs you look for on Monster pay 85,000 to 110,000 a year.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Exactly 666 and thats how it should be. My intercultural communications professor makes around 70K a year and I think his contribution to the world is far superior to a guy that can run fast and throw hard.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:59 am
MR that includes practice squads if you look at the average time each players is on an NFL roster is almost 5 years.
Even at the NFL minimum 650,000 x 5 is over 3 Million dollars.
More than you will see in a life time.
If you cant live with giving up 5 years life for 3 million dollars then cry me a river.
” Don’t be stupid.”
typical MR name calling when he has lost the intellectual argument…
May 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
We are talking about a business that can say it’s worst job pays about 600k a year and you only have to “work” half the year.
And the owners are being unfair?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Dont get me wrong, I like to watch these guys kill themselves and I love the Raiders,but the players (especially the high priced ones) dont know how good they have it. BTW I think they should pay college players as well.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
London Fletcher “absolutely” prepared to miss a season if necessary
-PFT
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oh snap! I guess you guys can take the Redskins off of your potential Super Bowl contender list …
May 27th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
If Peyton decided to accept $200k per year we would still be paying $20 a seat at the games instead of $75.
@666 — BS. Never seen an owner giving back to the fans. Pls point out one example in history where they lowered the price because they made too much money.
@Raider E – Thank you. Finally someone with some common sense. From what I heard, the owners said the current rookie contract is unattainable. I agree. But the players say, what are you going to do with the money you are taking away from the rookies. They want the owners to put that into protecting players in the long term but I havent heard how the owners countered.
@Hill – Keep trying. Your response is still incoherent. I believe you’ve just admitted the NFL owners can do whatever they want even though 99.9% of the companies in the US can’t do the same. You know you’d be suing for discrimination and unfair labor practice right off the bat if your same company used the same rules as the NFL. Dont even bother responding.
@DK – I am pretty confident 1 if not 2 of these 3 players will be a Lakers….CP3, Griffin, or Howard. The glamour of being a Lakers is too much of a draw.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
DKnight007 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:47 am
302.aig-raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Bauce,
The Lakers need a replacement for Fischer badly. They need a pg.
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Yep! The Lakers getting CP3 is more important then getting Howard.
Then, the Lakers will get Beast Griffin in about 4 years.
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Man the Lakers need some athleticism while Kobe decline. Getting an athletic young Forward and Howard better be the focus if you wanna win next season. Miami and Chicago going nowhere and the West is stacked with good young teams.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
We are talking about a business that can say it’s worst job pays about 600k a year and you only have to “work” half the year.
And the owners are being unfair?
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Everything is relative.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
MR
“666, I seriously doubt the jobs you look for on Monster pay 85,000 to 110,000 a year.”
Your right a crack head cleaning toilets at the taco bell only makes $8 an hours as you already know, so don’t cast your narrow minded limitations on people here you know nothing about.
Again once MR has lost the argument he patronizes the post with anger and stupidity.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
I haven’t seen Jhill dominate an argument like this in quite some time … wish I had some popcorn & a coke!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Telling them where they have to play is not fair, but the world isnt fair in most cases. Fair is very subjective word anyway.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
The guy that makes 600k per year is giving his company an ROI of 100+ times for his 600k. What’s wrong with that? He’s got the skillsets that 99.99% of the people on this earth do not and that includes you. Sounds like you’re jealous.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
“@666 — BS. Never seen an owner giving back to the fans. Pls point out one example in history where they lowered the price because they made too much money.”
Your miss quoting me I meant the ticket prices would have never escalated to that high of a price if free agency never happened and we never had the bloated salaries we have now. I NEVER once said that an owner would lower the price because they made too much money you are reaching there guy!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
You’re more than welcomed to earn his 600k if you got his skillsets but you dont do you? No one is stopping you from applying for his job.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
I agree that if the Lakers can land both Dwight Howard & Chris Paul while keeping Bryant they will win another championship … but then I don’t want to hear crap about LeBron because he wanted to join forces with Bosh & Wade!
hypocrits
May 27th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
666,
The ticket prices are increasing because of supply and demand. It’s all about supply and demand. Economics 101. If nobody shows up at the game, do you think the league will continue to support $75 tickets?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
“Sounds like you’re jealous.”
Why are you are casting dispersions at me and making assumptions because you are failing in logic?
I never once said there was anything wrong with a guy making 600K a year. I was merely pointing out that it was the NFL minimum and was a lot of money over a 5 year span enough that should make any human happy.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
I assume that if the Lakers acquired Howard & Paul they would need to unload Gasol, Odom, Artest & Fisher … maybe even Bynum
Correct?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I have four Akitas that will take down any NFL player all day long. How much would you pay them?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
“If nobody shows up at the game, do you think the league will continue to support $75 tickets?”
Where do you live? Its happening right here in Oakland the stadium is half empty yet the ticket prices remain the same…your ignorance is showing!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
It’s not just MR that goes childish when he runs outt material 666.
Amazing that my posts are so incoherent that they get these long drawn out point by point responses. I thought incoherent meant you could understand, lol.
The CBA has expired and the owners are exercising their rights to say they don’t want to pay players X amount of money. Players take owners to court, appears that they will lose. Really not that hard to understand who is right, unless you truly have your head up arsse.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
“Economics 101″ says you don’t pay one employee 20% of the business net worth
Again your ignorance is showing maybe its you who should have taken a Econ class?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
We are talking about a business that can say it’s worst job pays about 600k a year and you only have to “work” half the year.
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No, they only get “paid” for half the year.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Wasnt referring to you 666 on the 600k response.
But to answer your point, how much you make is relative imo. A Mexican Day Laborer would love to make $60k per year and sits in a cubicle. They’d think those people whining are effin crazy.
btw, 600k over 5 years is not much if you take Silicon Valley cost of living standards into consideration.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
“Really not that hard to understand who is right, unless you truly have your head up arsse.”
Post of the week! I couldn’t have said it any better myself!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
The ticket prices are increasing because of supply and demand. It’s all about supply and demand. Economics 101. If nobody shows up at the game, do you think the league will continue to support $75 tickets?
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AIG,
Kell is always great at pointing out how few fans actually attend Raider home games these days and I haven’t seen the ticket prices drastically drop as a result of that over the past 8 years. cost of merchandise either
your supply & demand theory might work with a team that is competitive every year like the Steelers or Patriots, but I don’t see it in Oakland
May 27th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Where do you live? Its happening right here in Oakland the stadium is half empty yet the ticket prices remain the same…your ignorance is showing!
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Ironic that Oakland has one of the highest payrolls in the NFL…yet our record…(cue KK)
May 27th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Yeah Jhill…………yeah okc and chi were too young at the end of the day. Well Dirk is playing out of his mind and he gets alot props from me.
But I dont see anyone beating those two dudes. They are arguably the two best on the planet onthe same team. That’s almost unfair
May 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
It’s only when black people make lots of money, is it too much, in Amerika.
The same people have no problem offering tax subsides to private corporations in the billions.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
“Economics 101″ says you don’t pay one employee 20% of the business net worth
Again your ignorance is showing maybe its you who should have taken a Econ class?
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I see you failed to answer my question earlier on the A-Rod contract. WHO MADE THE DECISION TO PAY A ROD THAT CONTRACT? Was the court or the MLB league rule? none of the above. Why are you not holding the stupid Rangers owner responsible?
Who’s ignorant now?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
“btw, 600k over 5 years is not much”
WOW! its a lot to me sorry if you make more than that but 3 million dollars is a lot of money even if you live in a gold mine.
3 million dollars would last you 30 years if you drew 100K a year from it….even longer if you invested it wisely.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
In all honesty, i could careless about how the money machine runs. I just dont agree with supporting either side when its the fans who end up going without.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Fugg meeeee,
Are the Oakland Raiders losing money or making money at $75 per seat? WTF are you guys talking about? The fuggin Raiders are making a ton of money even with a half empty stadium. Because the demand for the NFL is better than ever and it is the most popular sports in the country.
Translation – The Demands for the Oakland Raiders is till sky high even with a half empty stadium because they more than make it back up in TV revenues.
No wonder some of you are unemployed. Sorry to be harsh.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
3 million dollars would last you 30 years if you drew 100K a year from it….even longer if you invested it wisely.
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Silver,
Nnamdi’s agent wants $17 million annually to play for Oakland
He saw Seymour get 15 and Routt get 10
May 27th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
AIG
See post 286
Who’s illiterate now?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
342.RaiderRockstar Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
I assume that if the Lakers acquired Howard & Paul they would need to unload Gasol, Odom, Artest & Fisher … maybe even Bynum
Correct?
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Correct.
Pipe dream though.
Only player I see coming to LA is Howard.
Can’t see CP3 and Kobe meshing both require the ball in their hands too much.
Bynum and Artest for Howard is probably where this is headed. Steve Blake will start at PG next year for the Lakers
May 27th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
RR
we were comparing the money to the corporate world employees not other NFL players.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Did he just write “black people?”
May 27th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
The Demands for the Oakland Raiders is till sky high even with a half empty stadium because they more than make it back up in TV revenues.
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aren’t games with a half empty stadium BLACKED OUT?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Yes, It’s only when black people make lots of money, is it too much, in Amerika.
The same people have no problem offering tax subsides to private corporations in the billions.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
we were comparing the money to the corporate world employees not other NFL players.
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I know. I just wanted to be included in the conversation
May 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
KK why do you make everything racial?
Seriously its annoying and its people like you who keep racism alive with that kind of mentality!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
343.Raider E Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I have four Akitas that will take down any NFL player all day long. How much would you pay them?
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LOL!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
ok I miss that post 286 but then Why are you still using that A-Rod contract to blame the players? This is not the first time you use the A-Rod contract and you still bring it up. You’re someone who blames the player in this current deal. Yet, that A-Rod contract shows exactly who was responsible for it and it wasn’t ARod’s fault.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I know. I just wanted to be included in the conversation
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Hilarious!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
“tax subsides to private corporations in the billions.”
Yes and private corporations have a mix of all races colors and creeds moron!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Bynum and Artest for Howard is probably where this is headed
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Jhill,
but I thought most of YOU PEOPLE (ie Lakers fans) blamed Gasol & Odom for being weak down low or defensively?
Howard can do it all, but Bynum & Artest are probably your 2 best defenders imo
May 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
I personally have alot of black people that have been influences in my life, but I dont know how much they make? I know most of them are not poor.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Yes, It’s only when black people make lots of money, is it too much, in Amerika.
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LOL!
This is some funny schiite.
Might want to save this line of thinking for when the NBA locks it’s players out.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Yes, it’s only bling wearin black people who make too much money in Amerika.
Never heard anybody else making too much money.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Yes, blackedout for the local market but sure as heck not blacked out for fans outside of the local market. Plus they make TV money regardless of blacked out or not.
How about this? They are guaranteed to make money even if there is a season lockout. How’s that for demand and supply? If the fans dont shell it directly, the TV guys will pick up the tab.
Did you not see how NBC admitted that they are not a serious contending network if they dont have the NFL? Supply and Demand fellas.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
i’m so sick of posts (not just on here) sympathizing with NFL players. Look these guys are employees. NFL is the employer and they bend over backwards for the players. For F*** sake we have a symposium for them when they get drafted on how not to be a criminal. sure the league relies on the players but not even practice squad guys should have any excuse for not having money in the bank (5000 a week?!). the nfl does not want to take money away from the players contracts, they want to secure their businesses by not letting J Russells and 60 mil guaranteed contracts happen anymore. you want brady money? play like brady. that’s what this is about. look if they don’t like it they have freakin bachelor’s degrees from big universites…sell insurance for a living and make 100+ k a year. poor babies.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
AIG
I know its not AROD’s fault it was the owners fault for offering him that kind of money.
all that being said…..at some point it doesn’t make financial sense and eventually the books will not balance anymore then what?
Ticket prices go up and so does parking and concessions etc….
May 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Futhermore, it’s only black people who are racist.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I like Odom, RRS.
I fail to understand why he hasn’t been our starting 3 since he’s been here.
I’d trade Gasoft for Howard in a heartbeat if I thought that deal could get done.
Just being realistic in that if Howard comes on board, Orlando is going to want Bynum.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I have a problem with the little grey people making lots of money.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
at some point it doesn’t make financial sense and eventually the books will not balance anymore then what?
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Sure. I can agree with you on that. Then open the frickin book. Why do you think the NFL is afraid to open the books? Because they are afraid to disclose that they are making more money than ever before.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
irjonny Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
i’m so sick of posts (not just on here) sympathizing with NFL players. Look these guys are employees.
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LOL!
Another incoherent poster AIG?
It seems like you’re on an island with this one player!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
“tax subsides to private corporations in the billions.”
Yes and private corporations have a mix of all races colors and creeds moron!
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Not the CEO’s & Major stake holders. Call me another name, and I’ll make you leave this blog not feeling so good.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Do the owners get any credit for building the NFL up to what is is today? Do they have anything to do with the amount of $ being made? Or is it just the players?
If the players were really the meat of the meal, it seems as though they would be able to simply take their ball, and go play for another league and that league would become the billion dollar business.
Wonder why they are not taking that approach?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Racism and threats? Damn your good.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
No, Michael Jordan just threw tantrums when it came to paying his HIGH gambling debts.
It may have cost his father his life.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
I’m to blame here, fellas. I never should have posted that Kurt Warner article from PFT.
now we’re talking about baseball, basketball & football player salaries & racism. oh yeah, and comparing the NFL to other corporations
good thing I didn’t make any jokes about Esera Tuaolo!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Do the owners get any credit for building the NFL up to what is is today? Do they have anything to do with the amount of $ being made? Or is it just the players?
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I thought it was all about what the market will bear in capitalistic Amerika?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Sorry I’m not on here to seek community support like you or wishing to be liked, Hill.
If your employer made more money this year than last year and asked you to take a paycut, you’d take them to court as well.
You know damn well you’d ask Rev Al Sharpton to protest as well.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Im gonna leave now, i don’t feel so good. Kell makes my stomach turn….
May 27th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
“Call me another name, and I’ll make you leave this blog not feeling so good.”
retarded douche bag!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
I thought it was all about what the market will bear in capitalistic Amerika?
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Great point KK. Couldnt have said it any better.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Hehehe, I’m going to the gym now 666, when I get back, you’d better be gone, or you’re gonna take a beating!!!!!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
293.aig-raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Kobe when focused better defender than Mike because he could guard faster guards in his day (Rondo, Westbrook) and bigger small forwards (Pierce, Lebron, Mello) Lebron is now showing he could do the same of course Lebron is only doing it during this years playoffs Kobe and Mike did it for years.
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I disagree with your analysis.
1. Not sure if you are old enough to remember that Timmy Hardaway in his prime was the one of the quickest and had the most devastating cross over in his time. Guess where he had the worst game of his career…in Chicago. I think he broke the record for being zero for 20 or something FG attempts.
2. Kobe didnt play defense everyday. Mike brought it. Whenever he played against another top player who was not a PF or C, he would not only score on them but shut them down. There’s a reason Mike owned 6 rings and I am not even his fan.
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Jordan always played the opponent’s 2nd best perimiter player….Pippen would guard the best player. Jordan was still a good defensive player, but let’s be real.
Kobe can guard a variety of plaers, but I never have looked at him as a great defender. He likes to roam around looking for steals so very often times his man is wide open for 3 pointers. Always bothered me about Bryant. But when called upon Kobe can lock a guy down, he just would rather roam the floor looking for the highlight plays.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
AIG
My personal opinion as to why the owners wont open their books…is fear of the IRS.
just an opinion thats all nothing factual to back it up.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
The same people complaining about the players are prob going to complain about how CEO’s are overpaid in this country.
Bottomline, players are easier to target because you can tie how much money is being paid to the person’s face. Imagine if it was disclosed Jerry Jones made $500 millions last year. I wonder if the same people bashing the players now are going to defend Jerry Jones.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
NFL owners are white. Players are black……guess what side Amerika will come down on?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
NFL owners are white. Players are black……guess what side Amerika will come down on?
It’s really that simple.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
AIG
My personal opinion as to why the owners wont open their books…is fear of the IRS.
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666, actually they do have to open their books to the IRS. The IRS cannot release these confidential information however. EVERYONE has to open their books to the IRS or else you go to jail.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
You know damn well you’d ask Rev Al Sharpton to protest as well.
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Who????
May 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
You never hear the 666 retards complaining about tax subsides to oil companies.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
BTW the best NBA player ever is Bill Russell.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Republicans don’t like labor, period.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Sorry I’m not on here to seek community support like you or wishing to be liked,
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That’s why you’re never in the running for Poster of the Year.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
BTW the best NBA player ever is Bill Russell.
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That’s why I qualify my MJ comments with since the 80’s. Dont want to comment on guys I never saw played.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
303.Bauce Rules Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 11:19 am
“Isiah Thomas was a great damn player and he was clutch as hell”
Isiah and Magic are my favorite players.
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Yeah MJ coulndt win until the Pistons fell apart and The Lakers got old then Magic was playing with the virus. Jordan was great but the 90s was weakest era of basketball. You telling me Isiah,Dr J,Bird and Magic/Kareem ofthe 80s would let someone win 3peat twice inthe same decade? Come on. Within a six year period inthe 90s we saw 6 expansion teams come in. That is like 80 players who didnt belong in the nba. Watered down product and it took a while for the nba to get good again
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Very true.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
You never hear retards like 666 complaining about Billion dollar companies paying no income taxes.
But he get’s his dumbass worked up over somebody else’s labor negotiations.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
When KK loses the argument he results to politics and the Raiders record over the last 8 years which he will post 100 times if we don’t cater to his lame opinions.
KK get to the gym before that metamucil kicks in and you soil your adult diapers!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
So after having a few days to marinate on the Mike Brown hire, you still upset Dakota?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
BTW the best NBA player ever is Bill Russell.
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You can easily make a case for that
May 27th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Sorry I’m not on here to seek community support like you or wishing to be liked,”HILL”
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That’s why you’re never in the running for Poster of the Year.
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Notice how much of a weasel you are to leave your name out when cutting and pasting my comment. Dude, you must have a very exciting life and career to spend all your day on here running for “Poster of the Year”.
BTW, Rev Al Sharpton reference is for you! If your company ever wanted to reduce your pay (and I assume you are employed in a cubicle for all your daily posts), you know damn well you’ll threaten to sue them for discrimination and unfair labor practice.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
KK I vote democrat so your way off base there guy I am more left than you will ever be.
Your just an old angry racist that would complain about a good day at the beach!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
The same people complaining about the players are prob going to complain about how CEO’s are overpaid in this country.
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If the CEO’s did what they players are doing, and refused to sign their contracts because they wanted more than what was being offered, then yeah I think their would be some backlash.
And I’m sure there would be a few folks who sided with the CEOs. lol!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Check back later boys.
666, good conversing with you. We have our disagreements but you’re a stand up guy.
Bauce and others, later.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
You never hear dumbschits like 666 complaining about Billion dollar companies paying no income taxes.
But he get’s his dumbass worked up over somebody else’s labor negotiations.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
AIG
back at you, take care bro
May 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Notice how much of a weasel you are to leave your name out when cutting and pasting my comment.
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The points you try to zero in on are effin hilarious mayne. Did you forget who you were talking to? Why did I need to put my name on it? I guess I should have included your name on the from part?
LMFAO!!!!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
If the CEO’s did what they players are doing, and refused to sign their contracts because they wanted more than what was being offered, then yeah I think their would be some backlash.
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That’s a damned lie, lol
May 27th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Check back later boys.
666, good conversing with you. We have our disagreements but you’re a stand up guy.
Bauce and others, later.
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Have a good holiday weekend
May 27th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
The points you try to zero in on are effin hilarious mayne.
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Can we hear your so zizzle talk too?
May 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
405.aig-raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
BTW the best NBA player ever is Bill Russell.
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That’s why I qualify my MJ comments with since the 80’s. Dont want to comment on guys I never saw played.
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BS. Wilt is the greatest of all time. He completely dominated Russell statistically in all of their matchups. Russell averaged 28 ppg and 28 rebounds per game vs Russell.
Russell averaged 14 ppg and 23 rebounds per game vs Wilt. Wilt dropped 50 points on Russell SEVEN TIMES and 62 points once!
Russell had one advantage against Wilt….much better teammates.
Wilt owns the record books.
May 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
BTW, Rev Al Sharpton reference is for you! If your company ever wanted to reduce your pay (and I assume you are employed in a cubicle for all your daily posts), you know damn well you’ll threaten to sue them for discrimination and unfair labor practice.
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LOL!
Is this racist?
This dude melts down with the bruhs pretty easy.
ROTFLMFAO!
May 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
If the CEO’s did what they players are doing, and refused to sign their contracts because they wanted more than what was being offered, then yeah I think their would be some backlash.
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Hill,
I was once a Director of Recruiting for a Public Dot Com and other tech companies in the Silicon Valley for 5+ years. YES, CEO’s and VP’s hold their companies by the gun. Why do you think there is this thing called “Golden Parachute” for themselves and their VP friends. I was there when these guys held the Board of Directors hostage. These guys would threaten to walk if we didnt put the “golden parachute” in place. When we finally closed the doors, the shareholders actually successfully sued the mgmt team for these golden parachutes to get some of their money back.
Obviously, you’re not as informed as you think.
May 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
You never hear dumbschits like J Hill complaining about Billion dollar companies paying no income taxes.
But he get’s his dumbass worked up over somebody else’s labor negotiations.
May 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
“Wilt owns the record books.”
Not a basketball guy but I thought Kareem Abdul Jabbar owned the record books?
May 27th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
“Wilt owns the record books.”
Not a basketball guy but I thought Kareem Abdul Jabbar owned the record books?
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Dumbass
May 27th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
aig-raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Sorry I’m not on here to seek community support like you or wishing to be liked,
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414.aig-raiders Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Check back later boys.
666, good conversing with you. We have our disagreements but you’re a stand up guy.
Bauce and others, later.
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Not here to be liked, huh?
Eff the community huh?
LMFAO!
May 27th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
KK
You are the most racial person I have encountered online or in person.
You are so angry and full of hate that it makes you very narrow minded.
Are you constipated do you need a dose of Metamucil?
May 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
I was once a Director of Recruiting for a Public Dot Com and other tech companies in the Silicon Valley for 5+ years.
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We know. You’ve told us 100 times.
Should I insert some Asian computer geek stereotype here to try and rile you up?
May 27th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
409.J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
So after having a few days to marinate on the Mike Brown hire, you still upset Dakota?
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I am in stage 4 of the 7 stages of grief right now….depression. I am depressed that our HC is the same mouth breather-deer in headlights-glassy eyed coach I watched run Lebron teams into the ground year after year in the playoffs.
He may know defense, but he knows zero about offense. He better have some damned good assistant coach who can run an offense beyond Brown’s “Give-the-ball-to-one-guy-and-have-everyone-else-stand-around-and-watch” offense he is famous for.
Rick Adelman should have been the hire. Yes he is old, but he would have fit perfectly for the last 2-3 year run for Kobe.
Jim Buss is a fkn idiot and Laker fans should know that as long as he is running the show things are going to be bad. In two years after this experiment has failed Jerry will be forced to take back the controls of the franchise and straighten things out from his retarded son. Hopefully he will then give control to his daughter and let his idiot son be in charge of concession and parking only.
May 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Rick Adleman???
Him and Dunleavy are the LAST guys I wanted. Simple retreads.
I’m sure you read that article on ESPN that was pointing out that Eric Snow and Larry Hughes were the guards in that offense. Snow was worse than Fisher, lol. And Hughes was worse than Artest. Give the ball to LeBron and get outta the way worked all the way to the best record in the league and a trip to the Finals.
I don’t see the problem.
May 27th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
425.Silverandblack666 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
“Wilt owns the record books.”
Not a basketball guy but I thought Kareem Abdul Jabbar owned the record books?
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No, Kareem owns the all-time scoring record, which he took from Wilt, but Wilt’s names is everywhere in the record books.
I heard a stat quite some time ago, right after Jordan retired when all the media was trying to hype Jordan as the best player ever and it was like Wilt held 85 NBA records to Jordan’s 2 NBA records.
According to NBA.com right now Wilt still holds 72 NBA records and in many other categories he is 2nd or 3rd on the list.
The NBA had to change its rules because Wilt was so good. Offensive goaltending was created, they had to widen the lane, the free throw rule that a player can’t cross the line util the ball hits the rim (Wilt would just throw it up and miss and then jam the ball home for 2 points by following his shot!)
Replace Russell with Wilt and those Celtic’s teams would not have lost a game practically.
May 27th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
I don’t know much about basketball except that the Warriors suck every year and KAJ is the all time leading scorer.
May 27th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
I was trying to chime in on another topic to give the CBA subject a rest so I put Bill Russell in there thinking how many rings he had won.
I am in no way qualified to debate anything NBA!
May 27th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
431.J Hill Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Rick Adleman???
Him and Dunleavy are the LAST guys I wanted. Simple retreads.
I’m sure you read that article on ESPN that was pointing out that Eric Snow and Larry Hughes were the guards in that offense. Snow was worse than Fisher, lol. And Hughes was worse than Artest. Give the ball to LeBron and get outta the way worked all the way to the best record in the league and a trip to the Finals.
I don’t see the problem.
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Well, he better find a new offense because if his plan is to give the ball to Kobe and get out of the way we are in BIG trouble. That would have worked seven or even five years ago, but not now. Adleman runs an actual offense that would have involved the post players. Now we are going to see a lot of isos and 3 pointers launched by Artest and Odom standing around the perimeter. It will be ugly ugly ball.
May 27th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
I have to run…headed out of town for the weekend.
See ya next week!
May 27th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Later people the weekend is starting now!
May 27th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
oops….looks like the NFL are the ones wanting a Players Union after all. Where are all the Union bashers now?
Per yahuuuuuuuu….
De Smith is contemplating getting rid of the Union but the NFL doesnt want that. Why? Because they’d be forced to play by the same rules that 99.9% of US companies play by. hahahahah too funny.
1. “Smith, however, insists that he has embraced decertification as an enduring state of existence, much in the same way that Upshaw did in the early ’90s before – at the NFL’s insistence – he agreed to re-form the union.”
2. “Certainly, the owners would strongly resist any post-settlement arrangement in which the players weren’t unionized, just as they did in 1990, when the league sued the NFLPA to try to force it to represent the players in labor negotiations.”
3. “Absent a union, players would be free to assert their legal rights under the Sherman Antitrust Act, and accepted institutions such as the NFL draft and rules governing free agency would be vulnerable to courtroom challenges. It’s also possible that a non-unionized workforce could gain legal protection from a lockout, as the players did in April in successfully obtaining an injunction from U.S. District Court Judge Susan Nelson.”
hahahaha. The NFL sued the NFLPA to make sure they dont de-union…Hey Beijing Raider, this post above is specifically for you. punk assssss…..
May 27th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
I’ve been telling some of you that the NFL has this stupid Anti Trust Exemption and they dont want to lose it. Translation…they get special priviledges that normal Companies in the US DO NOT get. Guess who needs a Players Union more than the players themselves?
Per PFT…
In 1993, Upshaw wanted no part of re-forming the union. But there’s a good chance that Upshaw knew the NFL had to insist on a CBA in order to protect the NFL against antitrust challenges. The settlement of the Reggie White antitrust suit in the 1990s or the Tom Brady antitrust suit today would still leave the NFL susceptible to challenges from players who were not yet in the NFL at the time of the settlement. So if, for example, the Brady class agrees as part of the settlement that the draft will continue, any and all future incoming players could sue to challenge it as an antitrust violation.
Upshaw was very smart. More than smart enough to know that, because of the antitrust exemption that comes with a multi-employer labor deal, the NFL needed the union more than the players needed the union. Thus, Upshaw knew that he could get greater concessions by fighting against the return of the NFLPA.
May 27th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Lets see, MJ vs the field, NFLPA vs NFL, white vs black, etc etc.
May 27th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
My opinion on the topics at hand:
1. MJ is the best playa “I” ever witnessed when I was old enough to remember and be impressionable.
2. NFLPA vs NFL …just get a damn deal done
3. white vs black ….yeah, whatever …next topic
Side note, what is rich? How much money do you need to make a year until you’re considered rich/weathly/well2do? If people were really able to comprehend what the Fed is doing and has done over its existence there would be a revolt! If you don’t know …just take a trip overseas and see how much that dollar buys ya!
May 27th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Jhill how the hell did MJ change the way the game is played…………..lol
Exactly how did he do that??
They’ve been playing the game above the rim 40 years before he ever picked up a bbl.
You guys aren’t old enough to know but Elgin Baylor did what Mike was doing 30 years before him.
Also Clyde Drexler was not a ball hog like Mike they played the game as a team and Mike took alot more shots than Clyde. Clyde was dominant but he had a couple of games were he struggled offensively which gave the Bulls a chance. That was a good series to watch but Mike couldn’t guard Clyde if his life depended on it. Clyde bigger and stronger than Mike.
May 27th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
AIG got the nerve to say Mike shut Clyde down and he averaged 24 a game, yeah he shut him down alright.
May 27th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
T’pin that’s true of most of these MJ worshipors they think he reinvented the game and he didn’t. MJ was the first NBA player to go global due to the internet and Cable TV that’s why he’s so big.
May 27th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
NFL owners are white. Players are black
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what is that supposed to mean? this is america and any african american can use his own money to buy a team or start one.
May 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Wilt Chamberlain was the greatest athlete I ever saw in any sport I mean any sport. Next might be Jim Thrope “Injun Jim” played 3 professional sports and was the best in the game of all three. He was one of most dominant football baseball and basketball players of his era.
May 27th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
I’m sorry he ran track not basketball, but Injun Jim was the most celebrated athlete in american sports history.
May 27th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
That’s why you’re never in the running for Poster of the Year
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LOL @ Jhill!
May 27th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Did you forget who you were talking to? Why did I need to put my name on it? I guess I should have included your name on the from part?
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Jhill, stop it man. you’re killing me
May 27th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
We know. You’ve told us 100 times.
Should I insert some Asian computer geek stereotype here to try and rile you up?
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Ouch!
May 27th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
The ‘ONLY’ thing MJ changed was his shoes as far as the game he was a copy cat because it had already all been done over and over again.
Elgin Baylor changed the game……………period
May 27th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
NFL owners are white. Players are black
Guess which side Amerika is going to come down on?
May 27th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Dr.J…
May 27th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
452.KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
NFL owners are white. Players are black
Guess which side Amerika is going to come down on?
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Man , get a life.
I like you KK and I like Jazz like you, but man, I mean, it’s like you’re stuck in the fifties.
Get over it.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
We know. You’ve told us 100 times.
Should I insert some Asian computer geek stereotype here to try and rile you up?
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Actually we Asian computer geeks are doing pretty well in this economy. So by all means, pls put it in there.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Doc was a helluva player when he was in the ABA by the time he got to the NBA his skills had diminished some. But he was still in the top 5 NBA players but if the world had seen Doc in the ABA you would’ve seen something no one has seen until LBJ. LBJ is the most dominant perimeter athlete i ever seen he’s as big as a PF yet has the skills to combine PG and SG at 6′8″ 250 the only guy I can think of who was similar was uh! Yeah! Spencer Haywood! he was similar to LBJ just not as physically fit becaus they didn’t tarin year round like they do now.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Man , get a life.
I like you KK and I like Jazz like you, but man, I mean, it’s like you’re stuck in the fifties.
Get over it.
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I know, I know, you people don’t want to hear it.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Best post I have seen in a while by any fan. This football fan truly gets it.
realfann says: May 27, 2011 3:58 PM
Let’s examine the reasons for a union as listed in this article:
1. To preserve the draft. The claim is made that the draft is anti-trust and could not survive legal challenge. The Supreme Court left a pretty broad hint in their Needle judgement that indicates that the draft is not, in fact, a breach of anti-trust.
2. Minimum player pay. I don’t have minimum pay in my work. Neither does anybody else that posts here. So no, it would not be missed.
3. Pay, benefits and pensions would be up to each franchise. If they want to attract the best free agents, they will offer competitive packages. Just like in the real world. No union required.
4. Free agent rules. These are the most effed up thing in the whole CBA. Absolutely none are required. When a players contract is up, he should be free to sign with any team of his chosing. Period. Restricted free agents, franchise designation etc will not be missed. They don’t exist in the real (free) world so there’s no reason to have them in the NFL.
5. Early entry to the NFL. Anyone can start in any job in America at any age they chose. Why should the NFL be different? This restriction won’t be missed and it certainly won’t “jeopardize” college football. If Maurice Clarrett had been allowed to join the NFL, would college football have crashed to the ground? I don’t think so.
6. “Scrubs & subs” would not get paid very well. Not sure who the “scrubs” are but substitutes are highly valued in the NFL due to the high risk of starters being injured. So no, the pay of substitutes would not go down. It would go up.
Conclusion: the players do not benefit that much (if anything) from a union.
The owners, on the other hand, are desperate for a union. It gives them the means to hide unfair employment practices behind an anti-trust smokescreen.
It’s 100% guaranteed that the owners will INSIST on the players being unionized as part of any future agreement.
Which makes it highly amusing that so many owner shills on this board post anti-union hatred.
Your owners want the union more than the players
May 27th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
KoolKell, “Amerika”, the leviathan police state is led by a black man. How does your theory of racist America explain that?
May 27th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Twocents Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
KoolKell, “Amerika”, the leviathan police state is led by a black man. How does your theory of racist America explain that?
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Demographically, those people are dying out that are really outraged with Barry, but there’s still money and politics to be made of the remanent’s
May 27th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
The owners need the union in order to continue to benefit from anti-trust laws. Otherwise there is no CBA but just individual contracts and that would also end the draft. Each owner would have to negotiate outside those laws with each indivdual player.
Then college players could sue for employment it would change the face of the league forever.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
147.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
“Seymour was the force behind the camp”.
Well that figures and I like it.
Born to be a Raider.
Then we have McClain criticizing that the workouts aren’t hard enough.
Again, born to be a Raider.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Demographically, those people are dying off that are really outraged with Barry, but there’s still money and politics to be made off the remanent’s.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
I agree that the people who believe in individual freedom and inalienable rights are a dying breed. (Probably died long ago)
The vast majority of modern Americans want their entitlements, even if it means living in totalitarian society.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
460.KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Twocents Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
KoolKell, “Amerika”, the leviathan police state is led by a black man. How does your theory of racist America explain that?
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Demographically, those people are dying out that are really outraged with Barry, but there’s still money and politics to be made of the remanent’s
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That’s just nonsense KK.
I’m outraged with the president but only because he favours left-wing policies and I could give a rat’s arse about his race.
The guy didn’t hear Clinton when he said “the era of big government is over”.
It’s just spend, spend, spend with him–although I really like the way he dumped Osama bin Arshole in the ocean.
Bin Laden got a “burial at sea”? Yeah, I’ll bet every sailor on that ship pizzed on him first.
May 27th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
That’s just nonsense KK.
I’m outraged with the president but only because he favours left-wing policies and I could give a rat’s arse about his race.
The guy didn’t hear Clinton when he said “the era of big government is over”.
It’s just spend, spend, spend with him–although I really like the way he dumped Osama bin Arshole in the ocean.
Bin Laden got a “burial at sea”? Yeah, I’ll bet every sailor on that ship pizzed on him first.
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Racism is so insidious in Amerika, that most people don’t even notice it.
The Prez is about as left wing as Dinah Shore.
The Spend, spend, spend, that you talk about goes to Oil subsidies, Tax breaks, Farm Subsidies, Medicare.
Black welfare Queens get very very little, ok?
May 27th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Ten years and three trillion dollars to assassinate a man who’s influence was at rock bottom. USA, USA!
May 27th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@EnglandRaider
Then you have all these right-wingers who don’t want to pay taxes, then feed at the federal trough,
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Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html
May 27th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
467.Twocents Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Ten years and three trillion lessdollars to assassinate a man who’s influence was at rock bottom. USA, USA!
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Go screw yourself.
And may God bless everyone man on that mission.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
every man.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
KoolKell, Tax feeders take from the producers, Red or Blue.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
I was in the US Navy, Operations Specialist (Radar Operator)
Served out of Yokosuka Japan.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER, I am already screwed. I am living among a populous that doesn’t know tyranny when it is staring them in the face.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Twocents Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
KoolKell, Tax feeders take from the producers, Red or Blue.
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Have you ever taken a college-level macro-economics class?
May 27th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
‘Sup fellas.
EnglandRaider–
You simply don’t like him because he favors left-wing policies? Well, he is an elected democrat. However, he’s probably taking as much grief from the extreme left as he is the extreme right. Especially from the Hollywood liberal types. They feel he abandoned them by not closing Guantanamo, and beefing up troops in Afghanistan, etc.
The fact that B.O. is hearing it from the extremists of both parties probably indicate he is governing from a more centrist position and governing far more effectively, than he is credited with. IMO.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
474.Twocents Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER, I am already screwed. I am living among a populous that doesn’t know tyranny when it is staring them in the face.
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Shiiiiite!!!
You must be living in LA!!
May 27th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
If you mean “Keynesian economics” I dropped out. The Austrian school makes more sense to me.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
What’s the Austrian School. I’m familiar with Keynes & Friedman.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
472.KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
I was in the US Navy, Operations Specialist (Radar Operator)
Served out of Yokosuka Japan.
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Well, God bless you brother Raider.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Well, God bless you brother Raider.
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Honestly, my pleasure, some of the best times of my life.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
476.Buckeyeraider Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
‘Sup fellas.
EnglandRaider–
You simply don’t like him because he favors left-wing policies? Well, he is an elected democrat. However, he’s probably taking as much grief from the extreme left as he is the extreme right. Especially from the Hollywood liberal types. They feel he abandoned them by not closing Guantanamo, and beefing up troops in Afghanistan, etc.
The fact that B.O. is hearing it from the extremists of both parties probably indicate he is governing from a more centrist position and governing far more effectively, than he is credited with. IMO.
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He’s an elected Democrat?
Yes he is. But the Democratic Party has shifted dramatically to the left.
I favor neither party and no politician but he current Democratic Party is not the party of the JFK/MLK era.
It has been taken over by the refugees from the Peace and Freedom Party, the McGovernites from 1972, and worst of all the George Soros element.
You give me a Democratic candidate like HT and I’ll vote for him.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
482.KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Well, God bless you brother Raider.
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Honestly, my pleasure, some of the best times of my life.
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I know what you’re saying brother Raider although when I was in, it damn near killed me.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
But the Democratic Party has shifted dramatically to the left.
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One of the most ridiculous statements ever made on this blog.
Boy, you’re waaay out there aren’t ya?
May 27th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Ronald Reagan couldn’t even get elected as a republican today.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
To be a republican candidate today, you have to deny evolution.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
EnglandRaider
Maybe this Nation Debt graph helps:
http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
May 27th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Black welfare Queens get very very little, ok?
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Who the hell are they?! Lol! A singing group from your fifties?!
African Americans, you outdated old buger, are moving to the suburbs and since the overwhelming majority are family-orientated, church-going folks they are very conservative Americans like everyone else.
LMAO. Nothing burns a liberal more than realizing that America really doesn’t like them. Lol!
May 27th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
bugger
May 27th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
EnglandRaider
Maybe this National Debt graph helps, any comments?
http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
May 27th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
485.KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
But the Democratic Party has shifted dramatically to the left.
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One of the most ridiculous statements ever made on this blog.
Boy, you’re waaay out there aren’t ya?
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No old sailer, I’m right here in the center.
May 27th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
EnglandRaider
Are you willing to address this chart truthfully or not?
http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
May 27th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
KK:
I put about as much faith in charts as I put in statistics.
If charts and statistics were all the world went by then Snake Stabler would never have been the great Raider he was.
How does that line go again? There are statistics, damn statistics, and flat out lies.
Someone wrote that and I can’t remember who but I’m damn sure it wasn’t a liberal.
May 27th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
456.priesttj Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Doc was a helluva player when he was in the ABA by the time he got to the NBA his skills had diminished some. But he was still in the top 5 NBA players but if the world had seen Doc in the ABA you would’ve seen something no one has seen until LBJ. LBJ is the most dominant perimeter athlete i ever seen he’s as big as a PF yet has the skills to combine PG and SG at 6′8″ 250 the only guy I can think of who was similar was uh! Yeah! Spencer Haywood! he was similar to LBJ just not as physically fit becaus they didn’t tarin year round like they do now.
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100% Truth
May 27th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Exactly, you can’t be bothered with the facts, just your old tired prejudices. Out.
May 27th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
LBj = a freak of nature…How can a guy that big guard DROSE??? Not normal or natural…
May 27th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
GAME 7 – BRUINS vs LIGHTNING.
CHECK IT OUT.
May 27th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
LBj = a freak of nature…How can a guy that big guard DROSE??? Not normal or natural…
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LBJ the most gifted athlete I have ever watched play basketball.
MJ – the most accomplished. Getting a Ring, D player of the year and league scoring title.
May 27th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
498.KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Exactly, you can’t be bothered with the facts, just your old tired prejudices. Out.
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There you go again. Lol.
I’ve only got one prejudiced bone in my my body and that’s for any team playing the Raiders.
Raiders uber alles!
May 27th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
There you go again. Lol.
I’ve only got one prejudiced bone in my my body and that’s for any team playing the Raiders.
Raiders uber alles!
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Thee’s another thing, I doubt Al Davis shares any of your social/political values, but………………lol
May 27th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
My apologies for dropping out. My friend dropped by and I plied him with liquor and we discussed the state of the world.
@ KoolKell, the Austrians and Keynesians battled it out in the early 20th century, the Keynesians won because it was what the state wanted to do in the first place.
Intellectuals saw the profit in sucking up to the state and adopted the nonsense so that they could get awards and phenomenal riches.
May 27th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
503.KoolKell Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
There you go again. Lol.
I’ve only got one prejudiced bone in my my body and that’s for any team playing the Raiders.
Raiders uber alles!
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Thee’s another thing, I doubt Al Davis shares any of your social/political values, but………………lol
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Listen KK.(I thought you left).
As much as I love Al, I don’t give a rat’s arse what he thinks about politics.
His judgement on football in the last decade hasn’t been that good either.
But like I said Al, I love you man.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Some things never change.
MR posting using a dozen different handles.
Kell running his racist bull#*$#, hoping it covers up for him being a loser and unemployed, waiting for his wife to bring home the bacon.
Rockstar getting a laugh at both your expense.
Some things just don’t change!
May 27th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Speaking of Al, still disturbed at his image at the last PC when hiring Hue.
Just nasty seeing how he’s approaching hermit stage, what with the cheap bandage plastered on, and avoiding the dermatologist.
Fingers were just creepy, yet he still doesn’t get help.
Signs pointing towards someone losing it.
Sad. Would rather he go out with some dignity.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
No, I just find it ironic, that a lot of the Al Davis worshiper’s social and political philosophies are so antithetical to what the organization stands for, lol.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Hobs, please don’t tell me you can’t tell the difference between me and MR?
May 27th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
TwoCents?
Wasn’t talking bout you, man, not at all.
Was glancing through the blog and just noticed MR’s tell-tale M.O.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
One thing I think I know and granted I haven’t been paying a great deal of attention to today’s product because for a long time it has been garbage. It is getting better.
I don’t think any player today is better than MJ. Its possible a player prior to MJ was better but not after. Kobe probably comes close to being as good. I watched Rose play vs the Heat and that boy is one helluva talent but he lacking size and that killer instict Jordan had (you don’t miss the FT and you don’t give up the ball at the end of the game and be passive). LBJ is just a freak – in a nice way.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Thank you Hobs, I know I don’t fit in here because I rarely post my opinions on football. I lurk to gain insights on others opinions.
But I do have opinions on what ails America.
When I hear someone post inane political propaganda, I can’t resist responding.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Anyway, today’s society has been brainwashed with Keysianan ecomonimcs …most colleges teach it. Colleges today are simply watered down, poor quality, manufacturers of use dribble.
It has all come down to recitation. Pathetic.
May 27th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
“useless” dribble
May 27th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Memorial Day, to honor our those who died in war. Let us extend that memory to the innocent men, women and children who are dying today as the result of an empire hell bent on ruling the world.
Keep in mind that babies are being killed in your name.
May 27th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
This place is like a MENSA meeting.
If ANYONE likes sports here, do yourself a favor and check out the third period of the GAME 7.
0-0.
ONE SMASHED FACE.
INTENSE.
May 27th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
T’pin I woulld agree with that assesment so far but I said it a long time ago that Kobe’s game is better than MJ’s offensively. And LBJ by the time he is done could in totality be every bit as good and better than MJ.
If I were starting a team and I had a choice between MJ LBJ and Kobe it would take me all day to make up my mind but at the end of the day I would probably to LBJ.
Mj was easily a better athlete than Magic but as a bbl player I’d take Magic. I doubt very many of you saw the game he played vs Philly in the finals as a rookie when he played all 5 positions and he jumped C at the start of the game. He beat an outstanding team as a rookie scored 42 pts. 18 rebs. and 13 asst. it was the greatest game I ever saw by a 20 year old rookie. No thing before or since has come close. he won an NBA championship as a rookie and was the focal point of the team in that game.
May 27th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
watching Patton in HD (damn this looks good)
May 27th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
I think MJ is a better leader than Kobe ever was and a better defender on a consistent basis but Kobe can flat out shoot he had range way beyond MJ. Mj’s game was below the FT line attacking the rim and short j’s.
May 27th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
That’s why political talk should be done on a political blog I stay away from politics for a reason…………..I rarely agree with any of it.
May 27th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
What a hockey game!
May 27th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
What a hockey game!
That was the best sporting event I’ve seen in years.
To quote the announcer “It was a privilege to watch.”
If you guys want to miss another HUGE sporting event,
DON’T watch Barcelona vs Manchester United tomorrow.
GO RAIDERS!
May 27th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
I just wish they would get this lockout over yesterday, I’m starting to get nervous about the season. I want to see the new players…
May 27th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
Re: Post 511
Ahem…
Get bent, hippie.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
If the ideas put forward in comment 358 were to come to fruition,the league would be ruined.Only someone who would like to see the end of the NFL could support them.Sorry for interrupting the political and basketball talk,but this is a football blog-the Oakland Raiders to be specific.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
imaquaman Says:
May 26th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
looks like the same old kansas city fans here acting like a raider fan .they infest this site like stink in san diego .there was a time when raider fans were like brothers they stuck together like family .it didnt matter if you were black ,white ,brown,those colors didnt exist only silver n black .there are true fans in here ,but there are a few who are trying to rott the raider nation from the inside ,you know who they are if you have read these blogs at any time.insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.like trying to reason with a 4 year old child.my raider brothers that stick up for the nation here you cant win they are not raider fans ,never have been ,and never will be .they are here for one thing ,to infect the true fans like a disease.i would love to see them at a game talking sh@t like they do here they would last about as long as bozworth did in seattle against bo jackson.talk is cheap ,see you at the games next year .talk crap then (or debate )id love to see that
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Wow, thank you, aqua! Well written;No. Erudite;No. Pissy;No. Heartfelt and true? Yesss. Post of this year, easy. You got a fan, Aquaman!
May 27th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Sorry,I meant 458.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
I agree Priest.
The irony for all of us Raider fans is we are actually trying to build off of our first competitive season in about a DECADE.
I think starting June 1st, we as Raider fans need to voice our dissatisfaction.
One way would be to stop visiting this and other NFL web sites.
If you don’t think that would make a difference listen to Goodell’s latest comments:
Meanwhile, the fans are speaking.
“You see that in our various metrics that we have, whether they are ratings, or traffic on NFL.com,” Goodell said. “We see that. And that is a reflection of the uncertainty and the frustration of our fans. And we all understand that. That is why we think it needs to get resolved. There are also financial consequences of that. That is, clearly, if we’re not successful, that’s clearly to come.”
If they are paying attention to web traffic at NFL.COM, then it only stands to reason they are also paying close attention to individual team traffic.
The Raiders can not afford a watered down NFL season.
As difficult as it might be for some posters in here, I think we should send the NFL a clear message.
WE SHOULD BOYCOTT ALL NFL WEBSITES ON JUNE 1ST.
The RAIDERS cannot afford a shortened season.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Lefty12 I think you meant #458
May 27th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Doc! yeah I did hear him say that live, I said months ago that I would turn off NFLN until they ended the disagreement. sites such as this one really don’t help or hurt the NFL itself. It’s their NFL associtaed sites NFL.com, team sites and gear and tickets that hurt them. Sure they advertise here like anyone else but they do that on any sports site. Just don’t visit the NFL run sites and things of that sort. Definitely do not watch NFLN or team sites and you’ll speak loud and clear.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Nothing can get resolved when the players REFUSE to negotiate.I support the players to a certain extent,but they have to get back to the negotiating table.Doing all their fighting in courts won’t help solve anything.Things need to be decided at the negotiating table.If the players aren’t careful,they will destroy the league thereby killing the goose that lays their golden eggs.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Saw some great players in the ABA.
Can remember going to Net games when they played in a freaking tent on Long Island.
Saw the Doctor when he played for the Virginia Squires.
The Hawk with the Pittsburgh Condors.
There were some phenomenal ABA players besides Erving that played very well in the NBA even though they were on the downside of their career by then.
George Gervin was among the best pure scorers I have ever seen. Yeah, the Ice Man had the patented ‘finger roll’ around the hoop – but that outside shot was absolute money. Cat made a 30 footer look like a layup.
David Thompson was electrifying. The ’skywalker’ was a highlight reel.
The Kentucky Colonels were loaded. Would have fared well against the NBA.
Erving definitely carried the Nets, but there were some other pretty good players on those teams. Laverne Tart, Billy ‘the whopper’ Paultz, Super John Williamson.
Man those ABA games were a lot of fun. Showcase for many extremely talented players that for one reason or another weren’t in the NBA. The red white and blue ball. And most importantly – the 3 pt shot. Many younger hoop fans don’t even realize the ABA started the 3 pt shot.
The wide open passing offenses of the AFL helped revolutionize pro-football and the ABA should also get credit for helping shape today’s NBA.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
If starting on June 1st, ALL NFL web traffic dramatically FELL OFF THE CLIFF – both sides would BE FORCED to pay attention.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Dr.,do you actually think either side cares about the fans?I don’t.Each side only cares about the benjamin’s and how much of it they are going to get,fans be damned.
May 27th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Lefty12
I’m starting to think that this is the beginning of the end of the NFL as we’ve known it if they don’t get this resolved relatively soon. Some negative things are going to happen that no one is anticipating.
The players just don’t know how good they have it and neither do the owners. It’s a lot better than any alternative but as we say you don’t miss your water until the well runs dry.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Priest, What I’m suggesting is we should boycott THIS WEBSITE starting June 1st.
If the traffic on this and other sites like this saw A DRAMATIC FALL OFF, both sides would be forced to negotiate.
As it stands now, both sides KNOW we will come running when ever they decide to tee it up.
Unfortunately for the Raider’s, it might set us back a few YEARS.
Why couldn’t the lock out have happened during the Kiffin era?
I say we voice our objections STARTING JUNE 1st.
We should ALL take the SUMMER OFF.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Greed and selfishness has ruining many great org’s, the NFL is not immune to such disasters.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
If we could get that done I’m all for it. It’s the only way we have a voice is lock them out the same wya they’ve done us (fans).
May 27th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
The Raiders can’t afford a shortened season.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Lefty12 I have to agree with Doc here. Fans just have no idea how much power they have if they organize.
After all it’s OUR money they’re arguing over…
May 27th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
I like the idea of a boycott of this site, specifically if it includes RMR and Koolkell.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I’m not a legal expert but what is to stop the owners from telling the players to feck off and just implement their own set of rules-in other words,dissolve the league as it is now,free all the current players and start from scratch,and call themselves The Football League of America or something like that.The players dissolved the union so why must the owners negotiate at all-just say these are the rules,if you want to play this is the way it is going to be.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
But to quite honest to actually do this Boycott takes a ton of organization you cannot do it in a couple of days it has to be discussed for as much as a month in advance and geared up for a certain day. That way the majority is on board.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
That’s the kind of thing Lefty12 tha I’m talking about. The owners could decide tomorrow to dissolve and become separate business’s and form some coalition. Change the rules and they drive salaries down change the game entirely.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
The NFL has already noticed the ratings drop off from the draft.
They are paying attention to the website metrics.
If fans are in here everyday during the lockout, we are telling both sides in no uncertain terms, we will be back no matter when.
Remember how damaging the last MLB stoppage was?
If I thought it would anyway benefit the Raiders, I would not be losing any sleep.
For veteran teams like NE and GB, they WILL HAVE A LEG UP.
In my opinion, this will kill the Raiders.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Boycotting is a great idea,but it won’t work.Too many wouldn’t go along.Besides,as you said,boycotting a site like this blog wouldn’t do squat.However,if you could get one for all NFL sponsored sites and the NFL Network,it might wake some of these rich,spoiled ba$tards up.The problem is it wouldn’t affect the players and they are the ones who are refusing to negotiate.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
What is really needed is for the judicial system to say this isn’t our problem,we won’t even listen to any arguments-if you want this settled-negotiate a settlement.Force both sides to the table.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Make no mistake,
THIS IS AN NFL SITE.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
The only one who would be affected if this site was boycotted would be Jerry,and possibly Jon Becker.Although it kind of looks as if Jerry is already boycotting it.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Like you guys have both stated,
It is all about the Benjamins.
OUR BENJIMANS.
Advertising dollars all summer.
If the site gets less hits they will notice.
If you don’t think so re read Goodell’s comments.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Less interest in the NFL is LEVERAGE.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
There is nothing going on anyway,
SO WHY BE HERE?????
May 27th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
That would take maybe as much a year Lefty12 they have no stake in this fight that would amke them expidite this process. Other than the games themselves which is to say they’re fans.
But their calendars are full, moving things so the fans can watch games isn’t a priority. If this stays in the courts it’s doomsday.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
The web traffic on ALL NFL sites is down.
We as Raider fans should make our voice heard.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
I agree Doc we could all stop tonite but there are sooo many who aren’t even in here to agree.
Bring this up over the next week on a consistent basis and it might gain some steam.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
I’m not concerned about the lockout having any lasting negative effects on the NFL.
Football is just way too popular for the fans to stay away for any extended period once the lockout is over with.
Even if the 2011 season is canceled (which imo has 0 percent chance of happening), this thing will eventually get settled and the fans will return when the NFL resumes. It’ll be business as usual.
What concerns me, is that the lockout figures to hurt the Raids more than most teams.
Teams that are changing coaches, implementing new systems and in the process of overhauling their rosters figure to be more damaged than teams with established coaching staffs and more stable rosters.
Lockout figures to benefit teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens.
Hope these fools can manage to come to an agreement soon.
Really looking forward to some Raider football.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
I said months ago I didn’t think there would be NFL football this year.I still feel the same way.My only hope is the players don’t destroy the league,which it seems is their goal,or I should say their representatives goal.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Of course geeks like MR will be in here everyday regardless because he could care less about the Raiders.
But I for one can find something to do with myself this summer while these billionaires and millionaires enjoy their vacations.
Go and do likewise, gents.
BOYCOTT ALL NFL SITES STARTING JUNE 1st.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
But Doc you have to have a way of communicating to other fans. 5 fans boycotting does nothing you need 10’s of thousands is my point that’s why I said you have set a solid date in the near future so that whole fns bases take part in it. A couple of thousands people will not affect this thing. You have to contact several fan bases to make it affective or else you’re wasting your time.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
I sure miss Gene Upshaw.He had more sense than the current leadership.You can rest assured he’d be negotiating.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
If starting on June 1st, ALL NFL web traffic dramatically FELL OFF THE CLIFF – both sides would BE FORCED to pay attention.
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Arguably one of the, if not THE dumbest comments on this blog, this year.
You just have to be one of MR’s numerous handles..you just have to be.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Lefty, if you don’t think there will be an NFL season this year,
with all due respect, why are you here?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Of course geeks like MR will be in here everyday regardless because he could care less about the Raiders.=
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LOL. Yep, it’s MR.
How odd that as I’m stating Hunter must be MR, MR pulls one of his usual “it’s definitely me” takes, thinking posters will wonder if it’s really him.
Change your M.O., MR.
Too easy.
And YOU stay away from this blog?
You’re a loser.
You live here.
You have nothing in life except this blog.
Like Kell, you are disassociated from society, and need this place to feel needed.
sad, aren’t ya, little man?
May 27th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
DeMaurice Smith doesn’t care what happens IMO he jsut wants to make a name for himself.
lefty12 this is going to be ugly…
May 27th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Don’t listen to me. Listen to the Man.
Though Goodell sidestepped a couple of issues — the window needed for free agency, most notably — he was refreshingly candid about the damage done by the lockout
“I think it’s clearly had an impact on our fans,” Goodell said. “You can see that in the various metrics that we have — whether it’s ratings or for traffic on NFL.com. We see that.
“And that is a reflection on the uncertainty and frustration of our fans. And we all understand that. There are also financial consequences because of that, but clearly — if we’re not successful, that’s clearly to come.”
Asked as a follow-up if the lockout had affected season-ticket sales, Goodell didn’t hesitate to point out that the respective clubs were all suffering when it came to locking down ticket sales.
“It clearly has an impact [on season ticket sales],” Goodell said. “Fans want certainty. I don’t think you can ever underestimate — fans are still going through challenges, just in the general economy. And those challenges continue to impact on their decisions. And rightfully so.
Owners Meetings/Labor News
Freeman: Players need to accept reality/defeat
Judge: NFL policing teams that need policing
Brinson: Rule changes focus on player safety
Steelers’ Harrison: Rule-makers ‘are idiots’
And that’s something they have to balance when they want to put down money for a season ticket or a club seat or whatever else. And so we have to keep that in mind. The ownership has been reminded of that during the past couple of days, and they don’t need reminding, because they’re on the front line.”
Most interesting was Goodell’s response to a request for “specific data” about the impact of the lockout. He seemed absolutely amenable to providing the requested information, if only because it clearly showed the problems that the lockout is causing around the league, from the standpoint of keeping fans interested and generating revenue.
“It’s a noticeable change,” Goodell said. “I think you guys are aware of it — our ratings were down in the draft for example. Roughly four million people — that’s a noticeable decrease … about a 10 percent decrease as I recall.”
While no fans want to hear about the revenue that the league, its teams and the players are currently losing, it is a significant point of interest, because money that gets thrown out the window during a labor impasse directly correlates to the difficulty in finding an agreement down the road.
“The longer it goes the more damage is done to the game and the more revenue’s down and that means less money that can be divided between the parties,” Goodell said.
Owners were presented the full range of plans for opening weekend, from the first game on Thursday night at Lambeau Field to commemorations of the Sept. 11 attacks on the first full Sunday of games. Those dates are not in jeopardy yet, but the longer the impasse, the more in danger they would become, particularly with the league’s marketing partners, sponsors and advertisers who must commit dollars to those events well in advance.
“We’re not at an Armageddon date,” Eric Grubman, executive vice president of business operations for the NFL, told the Associated Press. “We’re not staring that in the face this week.”
But like any event looming on the horizon, the theoretically non-existent drop-dead date isn’t actually that far off. But, apparently, it won’t impact the way Goodell and the NFL head into the next season.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Priest. I won’t be here after June 1st.
It will be up to you guys.
Go Raiders1
May 27th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I’m not a legal expert but what is to stop the owners from telling the players to feck off and just implement their own set of rules-in other words,dissolve the league as it is now,free all the current players and start from scratch,and call themselves The Football League of America or something like that.
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Bro, I’m not a lawyer but from what I have read this is how it goes.
There are some good articles on why the owners will never dissolve the league. PFT has an excellent article on this. Right now, the NFL enjoys the anti-trust exemption. In plain English, that means they are not bound by the laws that 99.9% of companies in the US has to follow. Legally you can’t have a bunch of companies get together and make their own rules or price fixing. That is like being a monopoly and illegal. The only way to do this is by having an anti-trust exemption, which they do have.
A. Dissolve and form a new league, then they are effed. That means they dont get the anti-trust and will lose in the court.
B. Right now, there is no contract with the players so dissolving to form a new leauge achieve nothing. They are not legally bound to anything with the players right now anyways.
C. The only way to make the Dissolve work is to make all 32 teams as 1 big company. This way they are not threatened by a lawsuit and can make any deal they want. Since it is 1 gigantic company they can pretty much dictate their terms. However, that means they have to figure out who gets paid what between the owners and you know it aint ever going to happen.
Here is a very simple issue with the league. The league wants to the players to take a paycut. The problem is the league is making the most profit ever.
How can you ask your employee to take a paycut when you are making record profits?
I doubt any of us would take any type of paycut when we know our employer is making record profits. If the league was losing money, then it makes sense but they are not. Therefore it’s a bad situation for the league to try to do this now.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
I agree,Priest.I don’t think Smith cares about the league,as you say he just wants to make a name for himself.Hopefully,the players will realize this ,and realize this fast-before it is too late.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
I sure miss Gene Upshaw.He had more sense than the current leadership.You can rest assured he’d be negotiating.
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I posted earlier that Gene upshaw in 1993 wanted to dissolve the players union too. But the NFL begged him to not do that because they need an organized group to represent and control the players. It’s well documented. Dont blame it on DeSmith. He has a right to his leverages just like the league.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Here’s the quote from Upshaw himself….
In the letter, a copy of which was obtained on Thursday by Y! Sports, Upshaw made his position clear: “The players have a right to have a union [and] they also have the right not to be represented by a union. The Eighth Circuit essentially made the players choose between collective bargaining and pursuing their legal right to free agency. That choice has been made and it is final. The NFLPA is no longer a union or a bargaining representative for the players of the NFL.”
May 27th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
The league isn’t asking the players to take a cut unless you consider putting in a cap for rookies a cut.They are making record profits but they want to keep it for themselves instead of giving the players more.Supposedly,they want to set that money aside to help build new stadiums-something I really don’t believe,but that is what they say.I believe they also want to make FA more restrictive,which I happen to agree with.FA hasn’t benefited the fans one bit-in fact it has driven up costs so much that the average fan can’t afford to attend games any more.
May 27th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Anyway, today’s society has been brainwashed with Keysianan ecomonimcs …most colleges teach it. Colleges today are simply watered down, poor quality, manufacturers of use dribble.
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So anybody with a 6th grade education or higher, can’t be trusted?
May 27th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
As an ex-player Upshaw cared about the league.Smith doesn’t.Upshaw got a deal,Smith,if successful,will ruin the league.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
agreed Lefty.
The problem is the players say ok the money you take from the rookies must go toward another area for the players like veterans. But the problem is you cannot ask anyone to take a paycut when you are making record profits! I dont know of anyone of us on here that would take a paycut if our employer is making record profits. Aint going to happen….ever.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Oh and on top of that they want them to play 2 extra games. So not only are they asking them to take a paycut, they are asking them to work more hours….while the owners are making record profits.
I find it hard that any players would be willing to accept that.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Well,the only way the players will get concessions is through negotiations and right now,they are the ones who refuse to negotiate.While I agree the money saved from a rookie cap should go to the players,I also know the owners will cancel the season and IMO,it will be the players representatives fault.They both make plenty,so I don’t care who ‘wins’,I want a settlement and if one side has to give in,so be it.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
The 18 game schedule is nothing but a negotiating ploy.Why should the owners really care if there are 2 more games?You have to but tickets to the practice games now if you want to buy season tickets.You think the owners don’t realize they’d have to pay larger contracts if they expanded to 18 games?
May 27th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Trust me. There WILL be a season. You dont park a multi billion dollar industry. From a personal perspective, any settlement is cool with me. However, I dont think the players will budge from a negotiating perspective.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
2 extra regular season games equal more TV money Lefty. TV money right now far out weighs any ticket sales.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
THE PLAYERS AREN’T NEGOTIATING.That is the problem.If they really wanted more games,they could expand the play-offs-it is a ploy-something they can say-”look,we’ll take that off the table if you give us this”.Not trying to be a smart a$$,but have you ever been in on any negotiations?It’s amazing what each side will ask for KNOWING full well there isn’t a chance in hell they will get it.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
I’ve done enough negotiations in my career. Again, the problem is the owners want to take the money away with more work but the players say we just want the same deal. That’s why it has been so hard. The players say they want the same deal but the owners say fat chance, take less and work more.
It boils down to the court making a ruling either way. Once the ruling is done, we know one side will lose and will have to negotiate.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
You don’t see a problem with the rookie wage scale the way it is now?You believe it is ok for a guy coming out of college who may or may not be any good to get paid a higher wage than a guy who has proven himself and been in the league a few years?You think due to financial ramifications it is ok for an unproven rookie to set a team back years?
May 27th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Why not just get rid of the draft altogether? I mean, really. A draft? Where teams basically pick the best college players one at a time, like a game of old maid? How capitalist is that? Let the players play where they choose to play. Let the owners compete. If one doesn’t have money, sell to someone who does. Or face nonstop scrutiny from your city and fans. These owners want everyone else to fend for themselves, but they want a safety net.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
@ Lefty,
I think everyone including the Vets agree the rookie wage scale needs to be fixed. The issue is putting that money back in the owners pocket or passing it on to the vets.
@Mr.
The Draft is definitely anti-American business practice. If the court ruling goes badly against the players then expect DeSmith to pull the nuclear trigger and de-union.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Why should the players negotiate? They’re locked out! They’ll negotiate when the current contract is up. In the mean time, the owners need to stop playing games and take these locks off of the gates.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
You can say decertify, AIG. I know what it means.
May 27th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Lefty, it’s very simple. If an unproven player out of college is demanding more than what a team thinks he’s worth, then the team shouldn’t pay him! It’s really that simple. Just don’t pay him. If you think a player would draw such a hard line, don’t draft him in the first place. Unless you plan on using him for trade bait, a la SD with Eli. Ball’s entirely in your court, in that case. But if you want the guy ,he’d better want to play on your team, too. Why should players have to play for teams they don’t want to play for? It’s a business, isn’t it? Al Davis is merely an owner, right? Just like the guy who runs the deli down the street. It’s his business. Well, when it comes to employees, it’s their skills. And they should be allowed to shop those skills anywhere on the free market they like, right? Why do you only want liberty for the owners, but slavery for the players?
May 27th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Ok, sorry to get all deep. Slavery’s not the right word. But liberty sure as heck is. People like JHill want liberty for the owners, but not for the players. They want the players to be forced in to awful, potentially career ruining franchises. Not right.
May 28th, 2011 at 12:06 am
Mr,
I have two words to describe your post in 584….Malcom X used to call them the H N. If you google it, you’ll know the description fits perfectly. The brother is just a little confused that’s all.
May 28th, 2011 at 4:08 am
539.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
The Raiders can’t afford a shortened season.
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That’s a very true statement. This strike (?) is really going to hurt the Raiders at a time when the team is struggling economically.
May 28th, 2011 at 4:11 am
540.priesttj Says:
May 27th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Lefty12 I have to agree with Doc here. Fans just have no idea how much power they have if they organize.
After all it’s OUR money they’re arguing over…
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That’s also very true Priest. It IS our money they’re arguing over.
I also agree with Lefty, the players should quit the court shenanigans and go back to the negotiation table.
Let’s get this season going!
May 28th, 2011 at 4:18 am
There’s a great game on today at 11:45 am California time:
Manchester United (the best team in England) playing Barcelona (maybe the best team in the world) in the Champions League Final.
I realize it’s not the NFl (hell, it’s not even rugby) but it’s a pretty big event worldwide.
May 28th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Very interesting points made last night w/ AIG and Lefty12. Good stuff.
May 28th, 2011 at 11:07 am
aig-raiders Says:
May 28th, 2011 at 12:06 am
Mr,
I have two words to describe your post in 584….Malcom X used to call them the H N.
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This just gets funnier and funnier.
Now we have the Asian guy calling someone a House N*gg*????
Yesterday I was riding with Al Sharpton, lol.
Which one is it?
Late night babble session with MR, lol! Friday night, holiday weekend???
LMFAO!
May 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am
You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.
There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.
Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no highlights on the eleven o’clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be right back after a message
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver’s seat.
The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.
RIP GIL SCOTT HERON.
May 28th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Liberty to the owners. Crumbs to the labor, regardless of their skill or demand. That’s the argument being made by NFL fans who support management in the CBA.
May 28th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Let NFL owners survive on their own like other businesses. No profit sharing. No safety net. No draft. Skilled football players, regardless of experience, should be allowed to negotiate with whoever they feel.
May 28th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Hill,
This Asian dude actually spent a semester at San Jose State doing a research paper on Malcom X, his life and ideas. I have read cover to cover the autobiography of Malcom X by Alex Haley which has a 4.5 stars rating on Amazon right now. I am certainly more qualified than you to talk about Malcom X. WTF have you ever done on researching Malcom other than hearing it from the TV and word of mouth.
The fact that you are squirming will only confirm to me that the shoe certainly fits in Malcom’s description of the House Negro vs the Field Negro.
The Field Negro worked and fought his rears off so that his future children can pursue the American Dream just like the other Americans. Why can’t the current NFL Players have the right to market their talent to the highest bidder of his services? That is the American Dream, isn’t it?
As quoted by Malcom….If the master’s house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, “What’s the matter, boss, we sick?” We sick! He identified himself with his master more than his master identified with himself.
May 28th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
JHill, I work nights and weekends, including this weekend. You probably posted that comment from the playboy grotto, right?
May 28th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Owners Vs Players.
1. People hate the Unions and certainly blame it on the Players Union. But isn’t the NFL itself a Union? I challenge any of you to tell me with substance why the NFL itself is not a Union.
2. It has been well documented that the NFL WANTS a players Union.
3. Who went to the nuclear option here? Did the players strike or did the owners strike? The owners shut the doors and planned for this by asking for TV networks to guarantee them money regardless of a season or not. So again, who went to the nuclear option.
4. In 1993 labor agreement, the owners agreed to allow the players to decertify the union if they choose to do so “up on or after the expiration of the CBA”. The only thing the current owners are challenging is that the players were required to decertify “at the time of the cba expiration or thereafter”. The current owners are fighting a loop hole with the court saying the players decertified a few hours before the expiration. So the owners are trying to win in court by using the “a few hours” legal loop hole.
5. Name me 1 industry or company in this country’s history that asked their employees to take a pay cut and work more hours while the industry is raking in RECORD profits? Name 1 pls.
It is so obvious to me who is in the wrong here but people kept on beating up the players. Dont the players have the right to go to the highest bidder of their talent just like anyone of us in the real world? Isn’t that the very essence of the American Dream?
SMH
May 28th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Wassup Aig?
Saw you comment bout how you asian geeks are doing well in this economy?
As I recall, you proudly stated you don’t work. You are a stay at home dad, while your wife works.
Hence you commenting about “taking off to gym” now, while most are working.
I don’t think you represent the typical hard working asian, do you?
Dropping off kids at school, and picking them up is hardly taxing.
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