Routt expects Raiders to man-up
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, June 15th, 2011 at 8:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Hosts Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan tried their best to get Stanford Routt to say the Raiders’ reputation as man-to-man defenders was overblown.
In an interview on SiriusXM radio, they pressed Routt as Routt would press an opposing receiver.
Surely, the Raiders don’t play that much man-to-man. No one does.
“You can’t play press coverage every damn down.”
Replied Routt: “Basically, you just hit it on the head. We basically play man every damn down.”
Ryan challenged Routt with a 2009 game against Philadelphia when the Raiders blitzed Donovan McNabb heavily and backed it with more zone than usual.
Routt said “we ran a little bit of zone that game, but predominantly, (man) is what we do. If we play 60 snaps on defense, at least 56 of those are going to be man coverage. Everyone in the league knows what our game plan is.”
Kirwan said it must be difficult to play straight man against a three-man bunch set.
`You’re right. It is hard as hell to do that.”
Routt was asked if defensive backs had the freedom to play press coverage or off-man to play to their strengths.
“For the most part, they want us to be in the receiver’s face and disrupt them off the ball,” Routt said. “It’s just the way we do things. We believe in cutting down all the air. From playing tight coverage and seeing up close, the quarterback is going to have to be pinpoint accurate.”
More from Routt on Sirius XM:
On missing Camp Seymour
“I was taking a graduate course to substitute for another course that was only offered in the fall. I just had to ahead and do the school thing”
Routt said he is six hours short of getting his undergraduate degree at Houston _ he is a six-year veteran.
“College, per se, really isn’t that hard, but it’s just something you have to get through. I think it’s important to finish what you started.”
The possibility of Nnamdi Asomugha sticking around
“Until I see it on ESPN or you guys at Sirius Radio or see it in print that he’s signed with a new team, as far as I’m concerned he’s still a Raider . . . I know he’s a free agent and it’s a business, we all get that . . . I hope it works out for him, and I hope it works out for him in Oakland.”
The play of Mike Mitchell
“I think the coaches challenged him and he did very well. His locker is right by mine. We’ve had a lot of talks throughout the season and last year at minicamps and OTAs. There are times he may have been a little discouraged, but in my opinion I thought he did real well. He had good games against Antonio Gates and Vernon Davis in back-to-back weeks.”
Playing with Rod Woodson as a position coach
“During that 24 to 48 hour period when the lockout was lifted, I had several conversations with him. He’s areal cool dude. I can’t wait to actually meet him in person and pick his brain. He’s one of my two favorite cornerbacks of all time, him and Deion Sanders. He’s got a lot to bring to the table and I can hardly wait to have some of it rub of on me.”
Issues with run defense
“We were holding teams to 2.5, 2.7 a rush, stuff like that, not really big games. Then after four plays of stopping the run, stopping the run, stopping the run, it will be a pop, someone will be out of their gap, there will be a missed tackle, the corner won’t set the edge, and it will just explode on one play. Big runs kill your average as a run defense. It’s not just the front seven, it’s all 11 of us, and we need to be more consistent.”
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June 15th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Replied Routt: “Basically, you just hit it on the head. We basically play man every damn down.”
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I could have sworn I remember Priest in here telling us we switch into a zone fairly often.
June 15th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
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Enough
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♬ Dark shadows
The young pros
They blow and come back ten fold ♬
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June 15th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Routt said he is six hours short of getting his undergraduate degree at Houston _ he is a six-year veteran.
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OUCH Jerry!!!
Really Stan, you sign your biggest contract ever, and NOW you want to round out that 10 year college plan over attending a players only camp?
Don’t like it.
June 15th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
No national history tonight, well I certainly hope Jannik Hansen will lift the cup next year!
June 15th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Big runs kill your average as a run defense. It’s not just the front seven, it’s all 11 of us, and we need to be more consistent.”
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Well, since we’re quoting players and all, can we finally put to rest this notion that we can’t stop the run because of our DTs?
June 15th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Long live the leader of the Nation, Sir Al Davis!
June 15th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Word J Hill!
June 15th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
“We were holding teams to 2.5, 2.7 a rush, stuff like that, not really big games. Then after four plays of stopping the run, stopping the run, stopping the run, it will be a pop, someone will be out of their gap, there will be a missed tackle, the corner won’t set the edge, and it will just explode on one play. Big runs kill your average as a run defense.
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I like Routt, but come on. I’ve seen too many games when the defense got gashed play after play vs the run. It was definitely bettter last year than 2009. That “missed tackle” he was talking about was usually by Kirk Morrison. So glad that guy is gone.
June 15th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Well, since we’re quoting players and all, can we finally put to rest this notion that we can’t stop the run because of our DTs?
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There it is!!!!
I blame our OLB’s for the most part. Watched portions of the Miami game again this weekend on the recap, and I see why Browns fans would get so frustrated with Wimbley.
Didn’t even look like he was trying or putting in max effort on some plays. Was pretty disappointed actually, being that we decided to triple his salary this season and I rewatched that.
June 15th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Routt said “we ran a little bit of zone that game, but predominantly, (man) is what we do. If we play 60 snaps on defense, at least 56 of those are going to be man coverage. Everyone in the league knows what our game plan is.”
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Opposing coaches read the Raiders defense like the funny papers, very simple.
June 15th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Routt said “we ran a little bit of zone that game, but predominantly, (man) is what we do. If we play 60 snaps on defense, at least 56 of those are going to be man coverage. Everyone in the league knows what our game plan is.”
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I hope Namndi comes back. Something just doesn’t add up without out Namndi. I trust Coach Davis knows this and #21 will be back.
June 15th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
This is quite entertaining!
OakGlen666 and tj both told me we run exotic zone defenses. When I quoted Rod Woodson from NFLN saying the Raiders play man 2 man “exclusively” tj and Oakglen666 didn’t let up insisting I have no idea what I’m looking at and proceeded with name calling.
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Replied Routt: “Basically, you just hit it on the head. We basically play man every damn down.”
June 15th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
I agree that they sometimes gave up a lot rushing yards at times, but at other times they were pretty stout against some good rushing teams. The big plays really hurt them, and for most of the season. If they can eliminate some of those big plays, they stand a much better chance of making the playoffs.
With that being said, they’ll play mostly man coverage, with a little zone coverage mixed in, and minimal blitz’s beyond the traditional natural pass rush the Raiders always desire. The key is a great man coverage corner like Asomugha, and a decent opposing coverage man like Routt. But mixing up a little more zone or blitz’z into the scheme, would not hurt. Losing Asomugha would be a set back for the defense Oakland likes to play. I’m still hoping, and I have a gut feeling, he may stay with Oakland for another year.
It does give the other team a bit of an advantage if they know what you will do most of the time on the defence. It’s been equally confusing how the Raiders have held a lead, late in a game, only to lose in the waining minutes of the game, after switching to the soft prevent defense. I think if they tried a little more zone and blitz’s they’d catch teams off guard more often. It doesn’t always work, but they’ve had some success, especially when they blitz.
June 15th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Cars set on fire in Vancouver, BC following Canucks loss
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/123972064.html
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Looks like Canuck fans took loosing a little to personal.
June 15th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Raiders will play man and be close to last in the lead at defending the rush. And so it will be until Davis dies.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:47 am
Routt is going to be on fire this year, can’t wait to see the defense move up to #1 sacks in the league while Aso and Routt demolish receivers! 2011 is gonna be fun..
I wrote some thoughts about the AFC Championship game, to make the case that it stands above the Super Bowl as NFL’s premier game. Agree?
http://theoaklandraiders.wordpress.com/
June 16th, 2011 at 3:37 am
Routt i like ya bruh but fking spare me. We stay hearing the same BS about run. Ooooh its we give up a big play, we not consistent enough, or this bs about its all of us not the D front line. BULLLSCHIT! Oh its the OLBs fault like Wimbley? Get the fk outta here!
June 16th, 2011 at 3:41 am
Jhill hell no we aint putting schit to rest. Routt just not gonna throw his teammates under the bus. You would like cbs to tackle well but thats not the main description of their job title now is it?
June 16th, 2011 at 3:44 am
Common football knowledge that front 7 especially DTs have main responsibility to clog that middle. You understand that Jhill? You ever seen a good run defense not have good run stuffing DTs? We got fking one and he doesnt start!
June 16th, 2011 at 3:50 am
Gap discipline lol….how long do we gotta hear this bullschyt? Raider players still after 8 miserbale seasons cant handle their gaps? Gimme a break! We running Al’s defense which is hella tough so you need the fkin right players on your D to execute it correctly! Our starting DT combo isnt good enough to be better than 20th in the league vs the run
June 16th, 2011 at 3:53 am
Last time Raiders stopped the run they had Parella and Adams….two huge fat asses that couldnt get pushed backwards and made life hell for the running game! Notice too thats last time Raiders weeree any good on d. Its not fking rocket science
June 16th, 2011 at 4:00 am
Jacoby Fords name has just been involved with a porn ad,, according to the Palm Beach Post. First Murphy with the Viagra,, now Ford with the Porn. We got some freaks on our team don’t we? But then again they’re just being normal men, for I’m sure every dude has watched some kinda porn and at some point every dude will be popping Viagra pills.
June 16th, 2011 at 4:00 am
Guys like Jhill who had to look at Madden to half way understand DTs better wake up and open their eyes. Go look at the run rate stats for dline players. Seymour and Kelly’s rate for stopping run when directed in their area is laughable
June 16th, 2011 at 4:04 am
Tommy Kelly is an overpaid pass rushing UT. We tried him at every spot on line. He even started as our NT last year and was so awful we end up making Seymour the NT because he at least doesnt suck like Kelly. Richard on other hand is playing outta position since he is really a LDE.
June 16th, 2011 at 4:06 am
In about one hour the blog will be active and watch the excuses from Jhill and Vegas Raider for the run D’s constant failure instead of the truth that we lacking things for it to be elite…..stay tuned
June 16th, 2011 at 5:08 am
I’m ready to start making excuses, lol.
I just don’t think it is ENTIRELY because we need to upgrade Seymour and TK.
My main point is that the opposing teams are trying to, and sometimes they are going to do a good job and free up some running lanes.
But with some soft azz OLB’s and DB’s, what should be a 14 or 15 yard run turns into a 40 or 50 yard run.
That is NOT on the DT.
June 16th, 2011 at 5:13 am
John Henderson played 9 games last year.
We were 4-5 with him and 4-3 without him.
He played in the Miami game, the Jax game, the Indy game, the Titans game, where our run D was at’s worst of the season.
Some fat dude in the game for 15 snaps or so is not our run D’s savior.
June 16th, 2011 at 5:21 am
And what’s the Bauce doing posting at 4am on here?
That ain’t your semi-pro shift!!!
June 16th, 2011 at 5:43 am
LOL
June 16th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Vancouver riots after they lose the Cup last night…reminds me of January 2003 on E.14th, well…
June 16th, 2011 at 6:02 am
Obviously a strong run D starts up front with the DTs, but you can have Parella and Adams, Joe Greene and Ernie Holmes and still not stop the run if the guys behind them aren’t up to task.
Takes all 11, but it sure does start up front.
Seems to me some of the worst breakdowns the Raids have had in recent years can be attributed to halfassed play from the Safety position. Remember the big run by the Texans ? Huff looked like a clown.
Pre-season…Matt Forte clowns Huff.
Jag game…(yeah, I know it wasn’t a run and Raids were in ridiculous 5 Safety mode)…who got smoked for backbreaking TD ? Huff.
Yeah, he upped his ability to disguise and time his infrequent blitzes and has shown the ability to snag an occasional pick from centerfield, but he’s soft against the run. Cat doesn’t hit and has been a key goat when Raids get hit for long gains.
Not concerned that he might walk.
Agree that Kelly and Seymour aren’t ideal run stuffing DTs, but think they can get the job done while providing good pass rushing pressure up the gut.
RoMac showed me he can read and stop screens, dumpoffs and short passes very efficiently. Not so great against the run. He’s got to step up that part of his game too if Raids want to improve against the run.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:08 am
I have no concerns about RoMac improving his run defense.
The guy was a 21 year old roookie starting MLB, who struggled at times, but also held his own plenty of times, and got better as the season went along.
Let’s hope his KO of Sproles sends Darren into a JLH type fog for a year or so.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:17 am
Of course, after the way the 2008 season ended, I proclaimed in training camp that QB was the least of my concerns heading into 2009, lol.
So let’s hope we reverse that little trend.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:20 am
Lots of groaning and moaning about the Raids playing way too much man to man.
Agree that it makes it easier for O coordinators to scheme against. Agree that it takes really good, special corners to play. Agree that Corners manned up and running with back to ball can hurt run defense.
Routt and alot of fans obviously aren’t happy abt the Raids almost always playing man.
Just one question, Stanford…
How do you think the Raids performed when attempting to play zone ?
If you’re gonna pop off about too much man, you better be able to justify it by showing the ability to zone.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:27 am
I really wish that The Raiders could play zone as well as they do play man…that would really put a wtf? wrinkle in O-Coordinators game plan…
But…stop the run…as we ALL preach year in and year out!
June 16th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Let’s hope his KO of Sproles sends Darren into a JLH type fog for a year or so.
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Think Sproles is a FA, and thought I heard talk SD wasn’t too interested in retaining him ?
Hope he bolts (excuse the pun). Too small to worry me as an every down back but the runt was troublesome as a homerun hitter.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:58 am
Let me ask you guys something….
Opening night 2009…we are punching San Diego in the mouth with LT in the lineup! Harrassing Philip Rivers, disrupting everything that SD was coming up with…
Had we won that game that night…do you think that would have boosted the confidence of Russell and perhaps others and we woul dhave been better than 5-11 that year and probably hit the playoffs 1n 2010? Would Russell still be here? Or Russell’s work ethic was already too tarnished and never would have gotten it, no matter the outcome of that particular game?
Sometimes I do think about that…but I should really get out of that “what if”…
June 16th, 2011 at 7:27 am
Now hopefull everyone can finally agree how the run defense works, I’ve been saying for years it’s not our DT’s. It’s not the need of some big fat NT to stop the run it’s the entire defense as I’ve been saying for YEARS in here.
To add to that a 4/3 system doesn’t even emplay a NT in the true sense of a NT. You can’t play “zero technigue ” in a 4/3 scheme it breaks the integrity of the scheme. Zero technigue is ONLY employed in a 3/4 scheme as I’ve been saying for years.
June 16th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Hwnrdr,
Nope. Don’t think winning that game would have mattered much.
Russell was an irredeemable POS. In fact, although people point to the bogus no TD call against Murphy, and the soft prevent defense that SD easily marched through for the game winning TD – that game was lost by atrocious play from JaMoron in the 3rd quarter when the Raids could have and should have put the Bolts to sleep.
No, I can say with absolute confidence that even if the Raids had won that game that JaMoron was still going to be the biggest bust of all time, and he’d never take the Raids or any other team to the playoffs in 2010, or any other year.
JaMoron is a turd. Don’t care what kind of shape he gets into. Don’t care if he stops slurping the purple.
Don’t care if he watches film 24/7.
Guy can’t put together a comprehensible thought or sentence. Doesn’t have the smarts to ever be a QB at the NFL level.
Beating SD that night would have been great, but in the long run wouldn’t have made any difference for JaMoron or the Raids.
June 16th, 2011 at 7:42 am
As far the expectation of the rookie MLB it takes most MLB a couple of years for their natural instincts to really kick in.
June 16th, 2011 at 7:45 am
that game was lost by atrocious play from JaMoron in the 3rd quarter when the Raids could have and should have put the Bolts to sleep.
I agree 99…
The way big Rich was exploding off the line and stopping SD pretty much the whole night…we should have BLOWN SD away…That was unfortunately the last time that I have heard that place THAT LOUD! Although, I heard it exploded when Murphy caught that 57 yarder in the 4th! I had to leave before then…
June 16th, 2011 at 7:54 am
The 57 yarder to Murphy on 4th down was a thing of beauty.
Gotta give JaMoron credit for that. He really laid that pass out perfectly. Couldn’t believe how wide open Murphy was.
Remember thinking I didn’t like the call to go for the first down there. Thought the Raids should have punted. Was cursing Cable.
20 seconds later, I was jumping for joy.
10 minutes later, I almost smashed my TV.
June 16th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Our bad run D is a combo of no run-stuffing NT, a MLB that can’t shed blocks, safeties who take bad angles and CBs who are forced to play tight man and never even see the run plays developing because their backs are to the RB, and a D-coordinator who routinely ranks in the bottom 3rd in run D.
Last year yes the big runs killed us, but the six prior years teams just rammed it down our throats.
We have a new D-coordinator, but so far all of those other problems remain, so unless our safeties somehow learned to pull their heads out of their azzes and McClain suddenly develops a skill he has never had we are still going to suffer against the run.
June 16th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Bauce I just read your rant about it not being gap discipline. You call that bullcrap??
What you need to do is having a short convo with a D coordinator so you can get an idea why gap discipline is so important.
You keep going back to Parrella and Sam Adams when the truth is we didn’t play the run exceptionally well with those two. Our run D was at it’s best when we play a 3/4 scheme to be honest. We had good run D with Howie and that group but even then it was that consistent once we lost Matt Millen. When Beikert was here we played good run defense but it was geared for him to be the focal point. The problem he was terrible in coverage so we drafted Morrison who wasn’t great vs the run. The difference IMO has been the loss of Greg Beikert.
I see McClain as the difference not some fat ass NT. We’ve rarely ever utilized a huge NT even when we played a 3/4 scheme. Adams was terrible IMO!! so I’m not sure I agree with that premise at all.
June 16th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Dakota
Did you watch McClain play at Bama? I’m just curious as to the skill he has never had?
June 16th, 2011 at 8:31 am
45.priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Dakota
Did you watch McClain play at Bama? I’m just curious as to the skill he has never had?
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Yes and it was apparent then too.
June 16th, 2011 at 8:33 am
The night before the 2010 draft on the NFL network they asked Charlie Casserly which player might be overrated and he said McClain….said the guy doesn’t shed tackles well, was out of position often and didn’t make many big plays for a guy so hyped.
So far Casserly was right on the money about McClain.
June 16th, 2011 at 8:35 am
“Our bad run D is a combo of no run-stuffing NT, a MLB that can’t shed blocks, safeties who take bad angles and CBs who are forced to play tight man and never even see the run plays developing because their backs are to the RB”
DING DING DING you hit the nail on the head. It doesn’t matter weather or not you think our defense is simple or complex we need to execute better at all three levels.
Nice post Dakota!
June 16th, 2011 at 8:51 am
The D-Line stops the run, stops the run, stops the run, then BAM! The runner is in the secondary, and the DB’s are running downfield.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:02 am
The biggest reason why we suck at run stopping?
No run stuffing DT specialist and LB’s can’t shed blockers. Bauce is right about the lack of run stuffing specialists like Adams and Parella. Until our LB’s can show they shed tacklers, then we are fugged.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Look no defense is perfect, some are better than others it’s just how well you play your scheme and execute. Zone teams get gashed just as much as man teams it depends on execution. Even if you’re playing man you have to read run or pass. If you can’t read when it’s a run then that’s the fault of the player. We done well vs the run when we had the players to do so and not so when we haven’t.
Most corners can play man or zone, this notion that you have to be super human to play man is crazy. It’s tougher when a team is a passing team and is in multiple sets constantly 3-4 wides. That makes it tougher but that true in any defense.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:09 am
We do play mainly press man, im fine with it. There are games where we look unstoppable playing that very aggressive coverage. look what we did to san diego, we just mauled them in the second game.
That being said, we were not able to mix coverages much even if we wanted to, because our guys sucked in zone last year. Finally we have rod woodson who will be able to teach the guys how to play facing the line of scrimmage. If the guys prove that they can handle zone responsibilities you will see more of it.
When you draft big fast strong press man corners like we do zone concepts must be taught. man coverage is easy in some ways because you just tell your db cover that receiver where ever he goes. Now your big time athletes playing db can play without thinking, thereby capitalizing on their physical gifts. Zone requires a more cerebral approach, it is often difficult for guys to change gears from all out press, to zone. This is why most secondaries specialize in one or the other.
Better execution in zone will allow more freedom to mix coverages. If not than keep it simple.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Adams was only here one year and I don’t even think he started. I think it was Beikert and his leadership more than Adams by far. Beikert was a just a very hardnosed leader and Morrison wasn’t.
Dakota have you ever really watched Ray Lewis and Willis play? Most of the time those guys are running free they’re not shedding blockers. Point is playing defense is everyone doing their job. McClain played well the second half of the year when things started to slow down for him prior to that he was just making bad reads……………..period
June 16th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Routt said he is six hours short of getting his undergraduate degree at Houston
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Good for him!
glad to see he doesn’t quit after getting overpaid by big Al like JaMarcus
June 16th, 2011 at 9:16 am
“as far as I’m concerned he’s still a Raider . . . I know he’s a free agent and it’s a business, we all get that . . . I hope it works out for him, and I hope it works out for him in Oakland.”
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#21 is going be a Washington Redskin as soon as FA opens up
June 16th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Dakota have you ever really watched Ray Lewis and Willis play? Most of the time those guys are running free they’re not shedding blockers. Point is playing defense is everyone doing their job.
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Exactly! You can’t run free as a MLB or ILB if the DT/NTs are not occupying blockers. On pass plays our DTs get a lot of attention with double teams….but on run plays they may start out on a double team on Kelley or Seymour, but then they release and go after the LBers….a run stuffing NT would prevent that.
But NTs that good do not grow on trees.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Dakota
I watched Mcclain play and at times the kid was flat out dominant and Saban basicallly referred to him as one of the smartest players he ever coached. So I as far as I’m concerned I saw a kid who was one of the better collegiate LB’s I had seen in a while. I thought he was dominant. Was glad we drafted him.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:18 am
The best run defense is a good offense. The reason our run defense was so much better in 02 was because we scored a lot of points early and often, forcing teams to throw in order to keep up. Our run defense will be much better this year. for one Romac will be much better. Romac came on strong over the last 4-5 games, I see a big jump on the way.
Hu Jack City and JC will score around 24 points a game if we can pass protect. This will also improve our run defense by leaps and bounds.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:19 am
55.RaiderRockstar Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:16 am
“as far as I’m concerned he’s still a Raider . . . I know he’s a free agent and it’s a business, we all get that . . . I hope it works out for him, and I hope it works out for him in Oakland.”
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#21 is going be a Washington Redskin as soon as FA opens up
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Not sure I understand your reasoning here Rockstar….if Nnamdi simply wanted the money and didn’t care about winning (which is exactly what signing with Washington would mean) then why wouldn’t he just re-sign with the Raiders?
No, I see him going to Dallas, NYJ, Philly or Baltimore.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:19 am
The play of Mike Mitchell
“I think the coaches challenged him and he did very well. His locker is right by mine. We’ve had a lot of talks throughout the season and last year at minicamps and OTAs. There are times he may have been a little discouraged, but in my opinion I thought he did real well. He had good games against Antonio Gates and Vernon Davis in back-to-back weeks.”
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Mike Mitchell & Tyvon Branch are your starting safeties. I’ve called that ever since Huff opted out of the final year of his contract
Hiram Eugene & Stevie Brown = hot garbage
June 16th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Mike Mitchell & Tyvon Branch starting safeties and Nnamdi gone too?
I smell trouble.
That has me almost as worried as I am about an o-line made up of: Veldheer, Loper, Rookie, Bruce C., Rookie/Walker?Barnes
June 16th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Not sure I understand your reasoning here Rockstar….if Nnamdi simply wanted the money and didn’t care about winning (which is exactly what signing with Washington would mean) then why wouldn’t he just re-sign with the Raiders?
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LOL, good point
Al Davis has moved on. DVD, Chekwa, McFadden & Ware are his new pet projects for Rod Woodson to groom and Routt is his new #1 corner
I expect CJ37 to start opposite Routt until one of the youngsters is ready
June 16th, 2011 at 9:22 am
priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Adams was only here one year and I don’t even think he started.
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Dude, are you serious? Adams came to the Raiders when he was 29 yrs old and coming off 2 yrs at the probowl. Al considered him to be a prized free agent signing.
Per wiki….In 2002 he was a free agent once again, and this time he signed with the Oakland Raiders. He started 14 of the 16 games that season, missing one due to injury and played in the other game he did not start. He was on the team that went to Super Bowl XXXVII
June 16th, 2011 at 9:24 am
sorry I forgot to add…..Period.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
You dont have to be a dominant run defense to win it all if you can score. Ask the colts, saints, and the rams.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Look man we don’t USE a NT it’s a 4/3 system and DT’s did tie up blockers all you have to do is look at the film.
The problem is half of you have no idea what you’re looking at. You keep talking about a NT in a 4/3 scheme is like saying they play man in a cover2 scheme. It’s ass backwards!!
If you’re running a 1gap scheme the DT’s are doing what they’re supposed to be doing. In a 1gap system you’re SUPPOSED TO PENETRATE……….get a clue will ya’? Your job is to penetrate and disrupt………….period You stop the run on the way to the QB. That’s why gap control is so important. If you have a simple consept of the defense you’ll undertsand why we do what we do.
And then you can stop asking for a NT in a 4/3 system………..talk about clueless!!
June 16th, 2011 at 9:26 am
“It’s not just the front seven, it’s all 11 of us, and we need to be more consistent.”
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so does having CJ37 & Mitchell replace Asomugha & Huff in the starting lineup improve your run defense?
It surely doesn’t help your pass defense, but if your offense can score points and your defense can rush the passer it doesn’t matter who you’ve got out there imo
June 16th, 2011 at 9:29 am
AIG I saw the season Adams was not dominant for us at all. He had games where he played well but that dude was in and out of the lineup so much it was as if he didn’t start. He never got in shape sure we had high hopes but he didn’t play well. This the one year deal the dude ate his way out of the league……
June 16th, 2011 at 9:31 am
That’s why we didn’t resign him (Adams)
June 16th, 2011 at 9:31 am
…and the very next year in Buffalo, Sam Adams picked up a fumble and raced down to the end zone! He was even on the cover of SI with the title, “And away we go…”
June 16th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Another reason to be leery about the lawyers
Posted by Mike Florio on June 16, 2011, 12:22 PM EDT
Getty ImagesAs the lawyers have once again been kicked out of the meeting room after nearly undoing the progress that occurred without their involvement, there’s another reason that folks on both sides of the bargaining table should be leery of the true agendas of the men who are providing legal services not as full-time, one-client, Tom Hagan-style employees but as outside contractors with a variety of other clients, who may have sharply contrasting business interests.
It’s a point we first raised back in March 2008, after the NFL hired Bob Batterman (pictured) to assist with the ultimately meticulous lockout planning. In the initial report regarding the NFL’s retention of Batterman from SportsBusiness Journal, Liz Mullen and Daniel Kaplan pointed out that Batterman “has been representing the other three major American sports leagues in labor relations for years.”
Here’s what we said in response: “Though the conflict of interest isn’t blatant, the idea that Batterman’s firm is beholden to the NBA, MLB, and NHL raises a red flag in our minds, given that those three leagues are surely hoping that the NFL find a way to shoot itself in the foot.”
The same thinking applies to the players, too, now that NFLPA* outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler is chin deep in the NBA labor dispute.
Major professional sports leagues are in direct competition, at every level and in every way. And it’s not just the leagues that compete. Though pro athletes may be inclined to believe that they belong to a broader fraternity (and, in many ways, they do), every sport — and thus the men who play the games — are vying for dollars and eyeballs. As one sport becomes more popular, it becomes more profitable. And vice-versa.
As a sport becomes more, or less, popular and thus more, or less, profitable, the players in that sport make more, or less, money.
So how can lawyers like Batterman and Kessler properly compartmentalize their duties to their clients when they are representing clients with inherently competing interests? It’s like representing Coke and Pepsi at the same time, or McDonald’s and Burger King. In this context, we realize that the leagues and the players covet the expertise that comes from law firms that have handled sports-related labor disputes. But we’re frankly amazed that the parties aren’t insisting that the lawyers pick only one pro sports horse at a time when every major league sport is facing labor issues.
With the NFL’s owners and players already committed to excluding the lawyers from the process, this subtle yet potentially significant conflict of interest should prompt both sides to conclude that they’re doing the right thing by politely asking the lawyers to get the hell out, and to stay the hell out.
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I didn’t like this article because it makes sense, And that scares me.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
You dont have to be a dominant run defense to win it all if you can score. Ask the colts, saints, and the rams.
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No but you have to be a pretty good defense. The colts won the sB the year Bob Sanders was able to stay healthy and he was a huge factor for them.
The Saints had a huge year in defense the year they won the SB. It turned out to be a 1 yr fluke on that D because they got exposed last year (esp vs Sea in the playoff).
How many points did the Rams scored in the NFC game vs Tampa and the SB game vs the Titans? Rams 23-16 Titans, Rams 11 – Tampa 6. The following year that offense didnt work out in the SB against the Patriots did it? Pats 23-16 Rams.
Offense fills up the seats. Defense wins championship….Period.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Most corners can play man or zone, this notion that you have to be super human to play man is crazy.
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Yes, most corners can play man or zone.
But to play corner for the Raids, whose signature is to play man to man on almost every down, you have to have very good corners with unique skill sets to aggresively mirror receivers compared to zone where a corner can more often play an area and anticipate.
Especially harder to do in today’s game compared to the ‘bunp and run’ glory days of Willie Brown, Hayes and Haynes.
Ask DeAngelo Hall if playing corner for the Raids or any other defense that runs man to that extent requires special unique abilities or if any corner can do it.
Don’t have to be super human, but you do have to posess a special skill set and mentality.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
the Raiders have a fearsome foursome on each side of the ball …
Offense: McFadden, Bush, Jones, Reece
Defense: ShoNasty, Seymour, Kelly, Houston
but if they don’t get some help from their supporting cast we could stiff finish 3rd or 4th in the AFC West
We’ve got a lot riding on guys like Campbell, DHB, Murphy, Ford, Veldheer, etc
Kinda scary imo
June 16th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Priest,
So are you now willing to backtrack that “Adams didnt start for us?” Dude, your memory sucks. Sorry to harsh. Do a quick google before you start talking down to everyone about your football knowledge.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Adams was not dominant for us at all. He had games where he played well but that dude was in and out of the lineup so much it was as if he didn’t start. He never got in shape sure we had high hopes but he didn’t play well. This the one year deal the dude ate his way out of the league……
That’s why we didn’t resign him
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100 percent false
June 16th, 2011 at 9:37 am
AIG I don’t bother to google I’ll let you do it. Adams was insignificant no reason to remember him.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Sam Adams started 14 games for us
http://www.nfl.com/players/samadams/profile?id=ADA571656
John Parrella started 15 right next to him
June 16th, 2011 at 9:38 am
RRS then why didn’t we offer him a longterm deal???
June 16th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Rod Coleman started 2 games (in reserve)
June 16th, 2011 at 9:40 am
100 percent false
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too funny RRS….Priest is wrong again. Adams signed with Buffalo after leaving the Raiders and made the probowl alternate his first year there at Buffalo. Dude should STFU for talking down to everyone.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:41 am
why didn’t we offer him a longterm deal???
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because Coleman registered 11 sacks and Al Davis thought he was going to be the next Warren Sapp
opted out of his contract after the 2003 “dumbest team in america” season
June 16th, 2011 at 9:41 am
John Parrella I did like now we got him a bit too late because dude used to terrorize us in SD. I wish we had got him 2-3 years earlier. Adams was a fat ass lazy never in shape underachiever.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:41 am
priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:37 am
AIG I don’t bother to google I’ll let you do it. Adams was insignificant no reason to remember him.
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You should learn to at least try to know WTF you are talking about when you are pounding your chest as a know-it-better than everyone else on here. Bauce does it but at least he can back it up most of the time. You…nevermind.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:42 am
The year we had Sam Adams and Parrella as our DTs we were 3rd in the NFL in Run D and Beikert wasn’t even on that team, he was cut for the Rookie Nap Harris.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Is Admas was soo dominant Coleman would’ve had zero affect on his ability to signa longterm deal……………..period
June 16th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Adams had a ton of potential never realized it because he never got in shape Parella on the other hand was a beast.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:46 am
“I think Hue Jackson getting hired as a head coach is a huge step forward,” Scott said. “It kind of stinks seeing coach Cable go … he did nothing but go up every single year, so best wishes to him, but I feel like Hue Jackson is going to take that next step to where we were and he’s going to take us to where we want to go and that is to win the AFC Championship and then win the Super Bowl.” – Trevor scott
well there goes that hype about players not buying into Hu jack
June 16th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Dakota Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:42 am
The year we had Sam Adams and Parrella as our DTs we were 3rd in the NFL in Run D and Beikert wasn’t even on that team, he was cut for the Rookie Nap Harris.
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hjahahahahahaha I forgot about that one. Nice going there. Priest thoughts?
June 16th, 2011 at 9:47 am
priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Look man we don’t USE a NT it’s a 4/3 system and DT’s did tie up blockers all you have to do is look at the film.
The problem is half of you have no idea what you’re looking at. You keep talking about a NT in a 4/3 scheme is like saying they play man in a cover2 scheme. It’s ass backwards!!
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It is pretty common knowledge that the use of a 3-tech DT and a NT is common in NFL 4-3 defenses, with the NT responsible for the A gap and his job is to occupy the C and G. You should probably know this as we have played with that alignment with both Sam Adams and Ted Washington within the past 10 years.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Did I say beikert was on the team? your thoughts??
June 16th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Dakota
They call it a NT but in the true sense it’s not NT reponsibility a NT plays on the nose(center) a UT plays in the Agap between the C and G. It’s be definition NOT playing the NOSE. get it??
June 16th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Writing is on the wall for Nnamdi.
He’s as good as gone.
Al drafts two corners and throws millions at Routt.
This might sound crazy, but the only way Nnamdi comes back is if Al not only opens the checkbook, but tells Nnamdi that in a year or two at most (until Van Dyke, Checkwa, McFadden or whomever are sorted out and ready) he’s going to be moved to FS to extend his career and maximize his play making ability.
Nnamdi is going to have to want to prove he’s capable of making plays if the ball comes his way and be interested in extending his career.
Gonna take some salesmanship from Al, and some foresight and desire to prove he can do it from Nnamdi.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:51 am
[...] from the Raiders’ defensive philosophy to his opinion of Mike Mitchell’s progression. Jerry McDonald highlights some of the key quotes from the interview. “Until I see it on ESPN or you guys at Sirius Radio or [...]
June 16th, 2011 at 9:53 am
priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Did I say beikert was on the team? your thoughts??
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priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Adams was only here one year and I don’t even think he started. I think it was Beikert and his leadership more than Adams by far.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:53 am
# aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
You dont have to be a dominant run defense to win it all if you can score. Ask the colts, saints, and the rams.
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No but you have to be a pretty good defense. The colts won the sB the year Bob Sanders was able to stay healthy and he was a huge factor for them.
The Saints had a huge year in defense the year they won the SB. It turned out to be a 1 yr fluke on that D because they got exposed last year (esp vs Sea in the playoff).
How many points did the Rams scored in the NFC game vs Tampa and the SB game vs the Titans? Rams 23-16 Titans, Rams 11 – Tampa 6. The following year that offense didnt work out in the SB against the Patriots did it? Pats 23-16 Rams.
Offense fills up the seats. Defense wins championship….Period.
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Aig,
I didnt say you dont need a good defense. I said you dont need to be a dominant run defense. Tampa and tenn were not offensive juggernauts. They were mainly about defense and running the football. the saints colts and rams put so much pressure on opposing teams by scoring tons of points that it masked their deficiencies in run defense.
Of course you need a good defense to win it all, however if you score a lot, your run defense can be middle of the road to below average & you can still win it all.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:54 am
The difference between playing zero and 1gap is as different as playing man defense and zone. The responsibilities are different. Our DT’s do exactly what the scheme requires them to do………….peeriod
June 16th, 2011 at 9:57 am
MM34 and brown seem to be much better tacklers than huff, and i think they would also help our run defense improve. However your relying on your safeties to be the main cog in your run defense your barking up the wrong tree.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:58 am
aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Priest,
So are you now willing to backtrack that “Adams didnt start for us?” Dude, your memory sucks. Sorry to harsh. Do a quick google before you start talking down to everyone about your football knowledge.
priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:37 am
AIG I don’t bother to google I’ll let you do it. Adams was insignificant no reason to remember him.
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LOL. All class, priest. This is why Al Davis supporters are the least respected fans in sports.
June 16th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Crazy as it may seem…I JUST WANT THE SEASON TO START! Get the lawyers outta there and…well…
June 16th, 2011 at 10:00 am
As far as I’m concerned the difference in the run D for that SB team was the back7 were very good tacklers. The two Woodson’s and and Tory James were all good tacklers. The LB’s were decent to good tacklers and that helps your run defense stats tremendously.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:00 am
92.priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Dakota
They call it a NT but in the true sense it’s not NT reponsibility a NT plays on the nose(center) a UT plays in the Agap between the C and G. It’s be definition NOT playing the NOSE. get it??
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Priest like you admit it is called a NT. I am not confusing this with a NT in a 3-4 or a Noseguard in a five man front. It is called a NT so I call it a NT, and you should call it a NT too. And the fact remains that the NT’s (or whatever you would like to call him) job in a 4-3 defense is to occupy the C and G. Playing two lighter 3-technique DTs allows the o-line to handle the DTs one on one on run plays which lets a blocker through to put a helmet on a LB. Can’t run free like Lewis playing with two 3-tech DTs.
You may like Al’s way of having two penetrating 3-tech DTs, but the fact remains that the last time we had a good run D we played with a true NT (Adams) and a run stuffing DT (Parella), and got away with it even though we had a rookie MLB.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Priest: “Adams didn’t start for us!”
AIG proves Adams was a starter.
Priest: “So what. He was irrelevant! You guys are stupid! you don’t know anything!!!”
lmfao. Unreal.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:02 am
95.aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:53 am
priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Did I say beikert was on the team? your thoughts??
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priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Adams was only here one year and I don’t even think he started. I think it was Beikert and his leadership more than Adams by far.
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I am sure Priest meant it was that dominant MLB we had back then….what was his name? Nap Harris? Yeah, that dude was awesome!
June 16th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Mistic1 The sfaties aren’t necessarily the main cog as much as an important cog. Every player on defense is an impostant cog. When you have a back7 that can tackle everyone looks good the DT’s and MLB. It takes an entire defense to be a great run defense………….period
June 16th, 2011 at 10:02 am
This team will never be any good until Al Davis dies. Playing exclusively man to man defense is stupid. It’s the reason we always finish close to last in run defense year after year. You can’t defend the run with your back turned to the line of scrimage.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Adams was decent nothing special………period
June 16th, 2011 at 10:04 am
I didnt say you dont need a good defense. I said you dont need to be a dominant run defense. Tampa and tenn were not offensive juggernauts. They were mainly about defense and running the football. the saints colts and rams put so much pressure on opposing teams by scoring tons of points that it masked their deficiencies in run defense.
Of course you need a good defense to win it all, however if you score a lot, your run defense can be middle of the road to below average & you can still win it all.
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Like this analysis and agree wholeheartedly.
Would add that in the Raid’s best years (the Stabler era) they never had a dominating run defense.
Very good overall defense ? Yes.
Dominating against the run ? No.
As Mistic points out, a prolific offense helps mask deficiencies against the run.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Sure, hwnrdr. The owners are totally ready to back off of their demands and unlock the doors…but the “lawyers” won’t let them.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:05 am
your run defense can be middle of the road to below average & you can still win it all.
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Mistic,
can you point out how many of the last 10 SB winners had a middle of the road D or below avg D to win it all? I just looked at the records from 1990 to present and I can’t find any SB winners that won it with an avg or below avg D.
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history
June 16th, 2011 at 10:06 am
I agree that a high scoring offense masks a poor run defense. But what does a high scoring offense have to do with the Raiders? The Raiders do not having a high scoring offense, and aren’t even close to having one.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:11 am
I was wrong. Raiders actually had one of the highest scoring offenses in the league last year.
See, priest? How hard was that?
June 16th, 2011 at 10:16 am
These guys are of the opinion that having a dominant run defense is the be all to end all…….and it isn’t. Great defense is what you need a balanced defense that can play run and pass and get t/o’s is the best way to a domiannt defense that wins games.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:21 am
The Pat’s never had a dominant run defense in fact there defense was average vs the run but very good overall. What makes people think they need a great run D is the Ravens and Steelers winning.
I watched the niners win for years with great defense but the weren’t the Steelers vs the run. Also the Giants were damn good on defense but it was vs the pass where they excelled. The beat the hell out of your QB.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Dakota<——damn sure knows what he is talking about. Yall better hope SnB doesnt chime in becuz you know he will side with me and DAKOTA
June 16th, 2011 at 10:23 am
The difference is cannot be terrible vs the run, you have to be at least decent. Top 15 or close I’d say.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:24 am
113.priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 10:16 am
These guys are of the opinion that having a dominant run defense is the be all to end all…….and it isn’t. Great defense is what you need a balanced defense that can play run and pass and get t/o’s is the best way to a domiannt defense that wins games.
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Dominant? I would settle for run-of-the-mill run D.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Bauce it’s the narrow sighted opinion that you have everything is DT’s you never mention tackling man. That is the KEY to great run D.
And gap discipline is crucial with out gap discipline the integrity of any scheme is null and void. You must play great gap responsibility to have a chance.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:26 am
aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 10:05 am
your run defense can be middle of the road to below average & you can still win it all.
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Mistic,
can you point out how many of the last 10 SB winners had a middle of the road D or below avg D to win it all? I just looked at the records from 1990 to present and I can’t find any SB winners that won it with an avg or below avg D.
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AIG,
Im talking strictly run defense. I just gave you 3 teams that had less than stellar run defenses and won it all saints colts rams. I cant make it any more plain than that for you bra
June 16th, 2011 at 10:28 am
We running Al Davis’ defense plain and fkin simple! You what what u fkin need for it to work? You need DEs that give hell off the edges and DTs that clog middle plus collapse the pocket on a consistent basis! Dont give me ur BULLSCHYT that this aint the case!
June 16th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Any OC with a brain can out scheme a couple of great DT’s with a bad back7.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Bauce listen bruh that is NOT ALL YOU NEED…….your back7 must play great gap defense and tackle ior else the front4 don’t matter…………period
June 16th, 2011 at 10:35 am
That’s why when Gerrard Waren was here the man did HIS job but the guys behind him basically sucked. You guys expect the front4 to do everything and it impossible.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:36 am
I agree with Bauce and Dakota
June 16th, 2011 at 10:37 am
This argument is exactly why the Raiders can’t find a good D-Coordinator who will take the job.
You are generally forced to play with 2 3-tech DTs so Al can go after the QB, along with single deep zone safety play and man to man with the CBs.
I don’t know how the coaching staff convinced Al to get the DTs we needed in 2001-2002. Sometimes Al listens, but then falls right back into his comfort zone.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:38 am
correction-single deep safety.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Our DEs aint been schyt since Lance Johnstone 2000 imo. Burgess sucked and was scared to play RDE. He sucked vs run too. The DT combos have been awful and get beat up week in and week out. Year after you ass plugs making same excuses when besides the oline, the dline is the main culprit in this nightmare
June 16th, 2011 at 10:41 am
BHP….GERARD WARREN fkin sucked as a run stuffer. He is a 3 tech guy and constantly would shoot gap instead of have some discipline and take on two blockers allowing many big runs. Go watch 08 and 09….teams ran rigght at him
June 16th, 2011 at 10:42 am
BHP if your big uglies suck vs the run then yyour entire defense sucks vs run
June 16th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Lol someone mentioned Rams and Saints as evidence? hahahahahahaha. Saints two years ago werent gettin gashed left and right. Rams in 99 didnt either. were they elite? No. but compared to us they were
June 16th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Mistic,
can you point out how many of the last 10 SB winners had a middle of the road D or below avg D to win it all? I just looked at the records from 1990 to present and I can’t find any SB winners that won it with an avg or below avg D.
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AIG,
Im talking strictly run defense. I just gave you 3 teams that had less than stellar run defenses and won it all saints colts rams. I cant make it any more plain than that for you bra
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You said a team that can win it all with an avg or below D….I proved that you can’t find any such team in the past 20 yrs.
You requalified your statement as no need stellar run defenses….let’s try again.
Colts 2006 – Regular season was ranked last in Rushing D at 171 yds per game. It was widely acknowledged by the league that Bob Sanders make that run D. They got Bob Sanders back just in time to close out the season and they allowed 82.8 rushing yards per game in the post season. 82.8 was the 2nd best in the nfl postseason that year.
Would you care to do some homework on the other 2 teams to back up your statement? BTW, is the Raiders offense capable of being the 1997 Rams or 2009 Saints offensive juggernauts? NO.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Colts? I laugh at that. Colts get no credit from me. Thats a Rex Grossman gift wrapped title…which translate to bullschyt
June 16th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Dakota do you know what a 3tech is? A 3tech is NOT a player lol…………lol it’s a technigue!!
A NT is NOT a player it’s a technigue. You don’t draft a NT you draft a player who can play NT…….there is a difference.
It’s not like other position where you draft a RB or QB or WR on the line it’s playing the nuances of the position. Each player on the Oline and the Dline is playing a different position or technigue.
While you don’t draft a WR to play HB you don’t draft a QB to play HB or WR. The same is true when you’re dealing with position on the lines a RG is very different from LG so is LT RT as well as C. 1tech is very different from 3tech. Trust me sometime sthe same playeer can do both but they are different.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Yes if you have an extraordinary offense you can be lacking in run defense.
Call me when we have Manning or Brees lighting up the scoreboard.
Until then, give me a NT, safeties who can tackle and a d-coordinator who can get us to at least middle of the pack on run D.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:50 am
There are 32 run defenses in NFL…..do you honestly believe the Raiders can even be average? Can we be from 15th to 18th with Seymour and Kelly as the main DTs? I say hell no again! Seymour and Kelly go backwards alot fkin up the RoBeast at MLB
June 16th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Bauce a gifr wrapped title?? I’l take one anytime I can get one………..please!
June 16th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Well blog dweebs, that was a tough loss last night. Instead of drinking margaritas out of my one of a kind replica Stanley Cup I pounded a sixer of Zima.
My ladies did some interpretive dancing to Bryan Adams “Cuts Like a Knife” which got me back in the mood for some sweet jacuzzi action. So we cranked up the PARTYBRO 8500 and assumed the 69 position.
Anyway, I’m starting a fresh new campaign to get McCourt carried out of LA. Literally. I need a few blog volunteers to kidnap the fool, strap him to my Reggae Party Boat, then we’ll dump him near Catalina Island, Dexter style.
PARTY PEOPLE REGULATE
June 16th, 2011 at 10:51 am
I say hell yeah, if we tackle that’s the key.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:52 am
BHP 06 COLTS didnt impress me. Rex Grossman lol was down 22-17 in 4thh ball on colts 30 its 2nd and 1 then its 4th and 30 hahahahahahaha
June 16th, 2011 at 10:52 am
I think RoMac can have an impact like a Brian Urlacher. He is big and fast and smart at his position. Do not compare stats because the schemes are different, but in terms of a leader and a presence on the field I believe he can carry our D now in his second season.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:53 am
And yes I coined the RoMac nickname last year but just like old school Voltron cartoon monster I’m calling him the RoBeast
June 16th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Bauce not one person in here has said that out DT’s can suck and we win…….that’s ludicrous!!
All I’m saying as well as Jhill is that the run D is NOT the fault of our DT’s it’s the entire D………..period
I love our DT’s they play this scheme extremely well. We just need to tackle like Stanford Routt tried to explain.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Call me when we have Manning or Brees lighting up the scoreboard.
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hahahaha too funny or add Warner to that too.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:55 am
# aig-raiders Says:
You said a team that can win it all with an avg or below D….I proved that you can’t find any such team in the past 20 yrs.
You requalified your statement as no need stellar run defenses….let’s try again.
AIG,
here is my direct quote.
“You dont have to be a dominant run defense to win it all if you can score. Ask the colts, saints, and the rams.”
I havent “re-qualified” anything. I was talking about the RUN defense specifically.
Do you have anything else?
June 16th, 2011 at 10:56 am
BHP I THOUGHT I WAS BIGGEST HOMER BUT YOU WIN THAT TITLE!……. No way if Seymour and Kelly start all year as DT combo will we be middle of road vs run
June 16th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Bauce the colt’s had to get there to get that gift wrapped title. I was thoroughly impressed more than the Pat’s gettin there on the cheap.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:57 am
BHP our DTs suck vs the run…..Kelly and Seymour run rate numbers show that teams are successful running at them
June 16th, 2011 at 10:58 am
funny…in highschool and college, the guy that bragged the most about bagging women was usually the guy that got laid the least.
Dang you guys watching the US Open? Frickin Dustin Johnson and Phil both got water in the first 2 holes….
June 16th, 2011 at 10:58 am
# Bauce Rules Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Lol someone mentioned Rams and Saints as evidence? hahahahahahaha. Saints two years ago werent gettin gashed left and right. Rams in 99 didnt either. were they elite? No. but compared to us they were
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i mentioned these teams of examples of teams winning the Superbowl with ordinary run defenses. The run defenses these teams had were middle of the road at best.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Seymour went to the probowl and Kelly should’ve.
June 16th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Please Pats blew that game and were clearly better. Rex is awful and MANNING STUNK TOO THAT NIGHT!
June 16th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Priest, yes it is a technique, but each of those players have certain physical attributes. You can’t put a 300lb DT who likes to go after the QB in the A gap and expect him to demand a double team on run plays by the C and G, which is what you want in order to free up other players to make the plays.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Seymour wwent cuz of pass rushing…..he stunk vs run but he gets a pass because he is really a DE
June 16th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Mistic,
I stand corrected on that “requalifying” quote.
Do you have any proof of any middle of the road and below avg defense that won a SB? I just proved to you that the Colts D allowed 82.8 yds per game in the post season. Did the Rams run D or Saint run D sucked the year they won the SB? Some proof pls?
and BTW, is Jason Campbell going to be as good as Manning, Brees, or Warner?
June 16th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Dakota please stop making sense
June 16th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Ok Misticc middle of road not the end of the road like Boyz II Men
June 16th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Fk it you wanna at least be middle of road vs run?
June 16th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Houston-Henderson-Kelly-Seymour as your starting unit or Shaughnessy-Henderson-Seymour-Houston……..notice only one position aint changed!……you can bring Wimbley,Scott or whoever else in obvious pass downs
June 16th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Aig stop pretending you went to high school or college. That’s as believable as Krappy owning a Chalet in Switzerland. Silly blog dweeb.
I’m heading to the Ritz jacuzzi because I’m getting mine bleached and resurfaced after the shenanigans from last night. You know what I’m talking about.
Don’t worry nerds, I’ll bring my iPhone so I can keep up the sweet blogging.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Aint no damn unit better than those I just put up if you want this 2011 defense to not get gashed on ground. Simple……Bauce has spoken
June 16th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Hahahahahaha butt bandit Beecher……sure we believe ya
June 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
And Seymour got a pro bowl invite based on first half of season. After Pitt game he was invisible to me
June 16th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Mistic
2000 SB – George 28 rushes for 98 yds. Hardly gashing up the Rams did he?
BTW, 1999 Rams – #1 rushing defense in regular season.
Great example there man.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Bauce Rules Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:14 am
And Seymour got a pro bowl invite based on first half of season. After Pitt game he was invisible to me
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he was manhandled by the Pitt rookie in that game and right before he blew up the Big Rapist I saw him getting pushed back like 10 yds on one play.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Holy schyt! Osi Umenyiora wants out of NY! Yes! Al get him now. Im sure he wants to be back with the Waufle House! Raiders havent had a good RDE since 2000. Im down to dish out a 2nd and Matt Shonasty and tommy Kelly for him
June 16th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Wasn’t that the highlight reel of the year? When he knocked down Ben?
June 16th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Hahahahaha Weinerschnitzel presser is hilarious…..The hecklers are out in full force lol
June 16th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Yup, that will be a great pick up, but is he under contract?
June 16th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Lol Weinerschnitzel the Democrat who wanted to be NYC mayor now goes away in shame…..man that one heckler was hilarious
June 16th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Hwnrdr who cares if he is? Al go get him
June 16th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Brien, you’re the Anthony Weiner of this blog.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:31 am
# aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Mistic
2000 SB – George 28 rushes for 98 yds. Hardly gashing up the Rams did he?
BTW, 1999 Rams – #1 rushing defense in regular season.
Great example there man.
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LMAO!! AIG your pissing in the wind & its blowing back all over you. The 99 rams, the greatest show on turf scored so many tds teams abandoned the run inflating their totals. But if that isnt a strong enogh case try these on for size.
97 broncos 16th vs the run
01 patsies 19th vs the run
06 colts 32nd vs the run!!!!!!
09 saints 21st vs the run!!!!!
You were saying……
June 16th, 2011 at 11:36 am
I wonder if old goat Krappy knows how to use Twitter?
If so you can bet the fool has sent incriminating shots of his used diapers to Kane & Associate secretaries.
The KrappyGate Diaper Scandal presser at the Barber Shop would be the tv event of the millenium
June 16th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Nothing makes me laugh harder than reading about Krappy soiling his adult diapers!
June 16th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Mistic1 They just don’t get it and they never will. Stopping the run is just half the battle if you can’t cover stopping the run is a waste of time they’ll just bomb the hell out of ya’.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Al Davis is going to tweet his termination of Hue Jackson mid season.
“Are we ready, John? It’s on? On right now? How do I know the damn thing’s on, John? What do I do? Do you want to type? I can type it. I’ve used a typewriter. Huh? Whatever you want to do John. “
June 16th, 2011 at 11:42 am
priest, we won’t get it until the Raiders start winning. And even then, we probably still won’t get it. Because all we’ll see is a team winning in spite of Al, ditching his system. So, we’ll never get it. You’re right. But the Raiders will continue to suck until someone other than Al is running the team.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:43 am
No MR…..people actually like me on this blog unlike Weinerschnitzel and I dont send d-ck photos to others……thanks
June 16th, 2011 at 11:43 am
MR, that may be the first legitimately funny thing you’ve ever said on this lame blog.
So my ladies dug out my Bryan Adams “Cut Like a Knife” cd last night and have been doing aerobics to it ever since.
I owe Mr. Adams a few high fives, because I got many a sensitive bj in high school because of his jam “Heaven”.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:44 am
LMAO!! AIG your pissing in the wind & its blowing back all over you. The 99 rams, the greatest show on turf scored so many tds teams abandoned the run inflating their totals.
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What’s the best way to stop the Rams offensive juggernaut? Keep the ball out of its offense right? How do you do that? By running and keeping that clock running. I guess the opposing team didnt do that did they? #1 ranked rush D in the league for the 1999 Rams.
BTW, 97 broncos 16th vs the run
01 patsies 19th vs the run
06 colts 32nd vs the run!!!!!!
09 saints 21st vs the run!!!!!
Broncos – John Elway, Pats – Brady, Colts – Peyton, Saints Brees…..Raiders – JaChoke.
You were saying?
June 16th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Lol Diapergate
June 16th, 2011 at 11:46 am
“People actually like me on this blog”
The Kelly family is just plain nuts!
HOLLA BACK TRISHA TOYOTA
June 16th, 2011 at 11:46 am
97 broncos would give up big runs and still were middle of road…thanks Mistic for playing
June 16th, 2011 at 11:47 am
JC ’s offense scored 25 a game, I’ll take it allday everyday.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Beecher…plain nuts is lying about a Margarita machine with dime piece broads running around in skimpy clothing near a jacuzzi. Plain nuuts was your victory yesterday too lol
June 16th, 2011 at 11:48 am
BTW Mistic,
Colts 82.8 rush yds allowed per game in the post season the year they won the SB. #2 of all teams in the post season. That was around the time they got Bob Sanders back too.
The Colts lost the SB to the Saints because they couldnt run and end it up passing too much, which ended up biting them in the a$$ at the end.
What were you saying about the lousy run d of the Saint, Rams, and Cots when they won the SB?
June 16th, 2011 at 11:49 am
The offense we have can win big all we have to do score when we need to. It doesn’t have to like everyone else’s it has to be effective. I think it will be explosive running and passing.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Yeah ill take JC as long as he doesnt try passing it more than 25 times in a game
June 16th, 2011 at 11:50 am
AIG….I HAVE TO AGREE WIT YA BRUH…..difference wwith those run d’s and ours is they handle biz when its time unlike ours
June 16th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Bauce, I know…just wondering who will Al give up for him if he was…you would give up ShoNasty? Well, if Al makes the move…that would be a GREAT pick up!
June 16th, 2011 at 11:51 am
# aig-raiders Says:
BTW, 97 broncos 16th vs the run
01 patsies 19th vs the run
06 colts 32nd vs the run!!!!!!
09 saints 21st vs the run!!!!!
Broncos – John Elway, Pats – Brady, Colts – Peyton, Saints Brees…..Raiders – JaChoke.
You were saying?
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I was saying that you can win it all with a middle of the road, average or even a below average run defense. These 4 examples I have given are irrefutable fact.
Strike 3 your out
June 16th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Explosive passing? With who as your number 1 wr?
June 16th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Brian the Genital, it sure sounds like you’re scared of state of the art margarita machines and the women who come with it.
Don’t worry, folks on this blog will still “actually like” you.
You dorks will be pumped to know I got the Ritz pool DJ to bump some Bryan’s classic “Reckless”. Suddenly there are a lot more jets going off in the jacuzzi, if you know what I mean.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am
personally I would prefer a defense that allows the least amount of points per game over a #1 run defense.
But if you were a defense allowing the least amount of points scored per game I am sure you would rank high in run D.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Man give them Shaughnessy. Osi is an all pro type RDE that can get ya 12 sacks in a season. Our defense gets better that fast! Qbs gotta worry about blinside. Now this is type of move Al has donee to make team better. Do it!
June 16th, 2011 at 11:55 am
I am telling you guys JC is going to have a big year.
He got comfortable with the offense once he got back in and he has some targets now.
JC to Ford is going to be a common hook up, just watch. Miller needs to stay healthy and they will hook up on a couple of passes. If DHB ever gets a groove going that could be sweet with our run game.
Chaz..Well why even get into it about Mr. Glass I don’t even want to think what ifs with that guy. Will just have to see what he can do. Maybe the lock out might help him recover. I don’ tknow about Mr. heated sand.
June 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Beeecham
I lost money on that game last night now I am ready to promo the Partygoer 5000.
do you have any in stock?
June 16th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Margarita machines=for h0m0s….no wonder you love it so muuch Beecher aka the International closet boy
June 16th, 2011 at 11:57 am
With our running game klicking and our backs he should not have to throw 25X a game.
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188.Bauce Rules Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Yeah ill take JC as long as he doesnt try passing it more than 25 times in a game
June 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
CJ….and who again is your no1 wr?
June 16th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Bauce truth be told I couldn’t careless who was #1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5. I just want guys when they’re on the field to make plays……….period
Speed and talent is there to get the job done. This #1 rec. stuff I don’t even know where it comes from. Whe nwe won SB’s who was the #1 I couldn’t even tell ya’ But we always had a possesion guy and a speed guy. You can # then however you wish.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:43 am
No MR…..people actually like me on this blog
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
That’s why when Gerrard Waren was here the man did HIS job but the guys behind him basically sucked. You guys expect the front4 to do everything and it impossible.
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LOL @ TJ
Morrison-Howard-Brown was about equal to “Money” Warren
Asomugha-Huff-Branch-CJ37 far exceeded him
June 16th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:48 am
BTW Mistic,
Colts 82.8 rush yds allowed per game in the post season the year they won the SB. #2 of all teams in the post season. That was around the time they got Bob Sanders back too.
The Colts lost the SB to the Saints because they couldnt run and end it up passing too much, which ended up biting them in the a$$ at the end.
What were you saying about the lousy run d of the Saint, Rams, and Cots when they won the SB?
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Why do you keep having me repeat myself?
I showed you 4 examples of teams with average to poor run defenses, that still won it all.
The colts defense against the run was very poor for the entire year 16 games, then put together a small streak of decent run defense for 4 games in the playoffs. not very impressive. During that playoff run they blew out kc , and were in a shoot out with the pats. They played baltimore that had a sub par passing game so they were able to stack against the run. im sorry but your 82 ypg stat is skewed.
Nice try though.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:43 am
No MR…..people actually like me on this blog
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http://bit.ly/lZOEGf
June 16th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
# Bauce Rules Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:46 am
97 broncos would give up big runs and still were middle of road…thanks Mistic for playing
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Like i said you CAN win it all with a middle of the road run defense.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Beecham, were you clapping your hands over your head while getting your b.j. to “cuts like a knife”, the way Bryan Adams does in his videos?
June 16th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
do you honestly believe the Raiders can even be average? Can we be from 15th to 18th with Seymour and Kelly as the main DTs? I say hell no again!
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BAUCE,
RS & TK were D-Line starters the past 2 seasons and we finished 31st & 29th against the run.
The same front seven on D will return from last year:
ShoNasty-Kelly-Seymour-Houston
Wimbley-McClain-Groves
A move up to 15th or 18th would be HUGE (Donald Trump’s voice) … We might actually finish better than 3rd in the division!
June 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
So Brian the Genital, I guess you don’t like hot horny ladies hammered on smooth Mexican margs? No worries. There are still plenty of blog nerds who “actually like” you. Ha ha!
MR, pay attention! I got those sweet high school bjs cranking “Heaven”. And guess who was actually in Heaven during the bj (hint – it wasn’t me).
Cuts Like a Knife was usually good for macking down on my friend Kenny’s older sister.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Bauce look at post #208 I second that emotion. You don’t need a top3 runD to play great defense. It takes a balanced run/pass D to be great. If we play the run in the mid of the pack and play just as good as last year vs the pass that’s good enough to win a SB. If the offense can duplicate 25 a game or better.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
MR
Canada has already apologized for Brain Adams and Celine Dion….so let it go man.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I don’t think people get it, go over our history we rarely averaged better than 25 a game. And that was only Hues first season as OC now HC we should be better. All the young talent is getting better. I think overall the defense will be top10. So give me that offense and we can win it all. We just needs a few breaks to go our way………….period
June 16th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Just because Hue Jack is now HC instead of OC does not automatically mean our offense will improve.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Back in the heyday, Raider corners could manhandle WR’s until the ball was in the air, and really knock people off their routes. Now, they can’t touch the WR after 5yds. So, I don’t think Man2Man is as viable today. That’s why most teams have gone Zone.
The D-Line stops the run, stops the run, stops the run, then BAM. The RB is in the secondary, and the DB’s have their backs turned running downfield.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:51 am
# aig-raiders Says:
BTW, 97 broncos 16th vs the run
01 patsies 19th vs the run
06 colts 32nd vs the run!!!!!!
09 saints 21st vs the run!!!!!
Broncos – John Elway, Pats – Brady, Colts – Peyton, Saints Brees…..Raiders – JaChoke.
You were saying?
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I was saying that you can win it all with a middle of the road, average or even a below average run defense. These 4 examples I have given are irrefutable fact.
Strike 3 your out
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Out of 12 teams in the post season…
2001 Pats #2 rush D in the postseason.
2006 Colts #2 rush D in the postseason
2009 Saints #6 rush D in the postseason.
1997 Denver – NFL do not have the ranking stats but here is their postseason track record. vs Jags 50yds allowed, vs KC 77 yds, vs Pit 161 yds and vs GB 95yds = 96.75 rushing yds per game allowed. Pretty damn good imo.
Only 1 team barely supported 1/3 of your theory and they had Drew Brees at the helm. What were you saying again about striking out?
Bauce is 100% correct that you need a rush D that steps up when it counts. The postseason is exactly when you need your run D to step up.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Krappy, you haven’t recently sent any Tweets of your old diapers to any Kane & Associate secretaries, have you?
Could be a big scandal if you have, old goat. Fair warning.
DIAPERGATE 2011 REPRESENT
June 16th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
There isn’t a thing wrong with playing man coverage if you have guys that can do it. We’ve always had corners who could play it. Zone is good but it makes your safeties cover more if they drop coverage it’s a big play. We’ve played a lot of man recently and we’re at the top 10 almost every year in pass defense. We struggle vs the run true but we play man damn good if not great. There some teams that get us but we normally get them. I actually prefer man and mix zone in the redzone, where the space is tighter.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
The colts defense against the run was very poor for the entire year 16 games, then put together a small streak of decent run defense for 4 games in the playoffs. not very impressive. During that playoff run they blew out kc , and were in a shoot out with the pats. They played baltimore that had a sub par passing game so they were able to stack against the run. im sorry but your 82 ypg stat is skewed.
Nice try though.
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Mistic,
Are you just ignorant or deliberately trying to be dumb?
Bob Sanders….per wiki…..
2006 season
In the 2006 regular season, Sanders played only four games in the regular season due to a knee injury he suffered early. In those four games, he racked up 27 tackles. He was soon dubbed “The Eraser”, due to his reckless and punishing hits on opposing players which prevented many of the big plays that the opposing teams might have otherwise made happen. The Colts had the worst rushing defense in the NFL statistically, allowing at least 100 yards rushing in every game. During the playoffs, however, Sanders continued his comeback from injury, and breathed new life into the defense. The 2006 Colts in the playoffs, with Sanders, had the second best run defense with only 73.3 rushing yards allowed per game.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
oh and the 2006 colts went through the Chiefs in the playoff, who had Larry Johnson at 1789 yds for that season.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Out of 12 teams in the post season…
2001 Pats #2 rush D in the postseason.
2006 Colts #2 rush D in the postseason
2009 Saints #6 rush D in the postseason.
1997 Denver – NFL do not have the ranking stats but here is their postseason track record. vs Jags 50yds allowed, vs KC 77 yds, vs Pit 161 yds and vs GB 95yds = 96.75 rushing yds per game allowed. Pretty damn good imo.
Only 1 team barely supported 1/3 of your theory and they had Drew Brees at the helm. What were you saying again about striking out?
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AIG,
my comment was about run defense. This means for an entire season, regular and post season.
scaled down to the smaller sample size of a post season skews that stats. Too many variables to consider in a 3-4 game sample size. who did they play, what was the score so on and so on. Instead I looked at the big picture.
Stop trying to worm your way out and manipulate stats to support your case.
Bottom line teams can win with poor run defense i have given four examples along with where they ranked for said year.
hit the showers bra
do come again
June 16th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I think the Pass Interference rule changes over the years favoring WR’s & QB’ have made Man2Man coverages less effective.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
You can’t maul WR’s today like Lester Hayes did yesterday.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Here is the interview on Routt. Nice article I may add! He was not one of my past favorites but I am impressed with his dialogue.
If we can’t get Namdi back then I think we need Huff back in our ranks. We need some consistancy.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/14/interview-with-stanford-routt-cb-oakland-raiders/
June 16th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
oh and the 2006 colts went through the Chiefs in the playoff, who had Larry Johnson at 1789 yds for that season.
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ROFL!!!!!
yep he carried the ball a grand total of 13 times in that game. Im afraid the run was little more than an after thought in that game, regardless of bob sanders.
Again your case badly flawed. your taking on water time to abandon ship
June 16th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
My #1 WR is Zack Miller, #2J Ford and #3 Mr Viagra himself Louis Murphy.
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200.Bauce Rules Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
CJ….and who again is your no1 wr?
June 16th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
hwnrdr Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 6:58 am
Let me ask you guys something….
Opening night 2009…we are punching San Diego in the mouth with LT in the lineup! Harrassing Philip Rivers, disrupting everything that SD was coming up with…
Had we won that game that night…do you think that would have boosted the confidence of Russell and perhaps others and we woul dhave been better than 5-11 that year and probably hit the playoffs 1n 2010? Would Russell still be here? Or Russell’s work ethic was already too tarnished and never would have gotten it, no matter the outcome of that particular game?
Sometimes I do think about that…but I should really get out of that “what if”…
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I truly believe had we won that opening game against the Chargers we would have finished 6-10 instead of 5-11.
You know how there is good credit, bad credit and no credit? Russell has No work ethic.
June 16th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
good afternoon nation!! missed being on this blog!
June 16th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 10:35 am
That’s why when Gerrard Waren was here the man did HIS job but the guys behind him basically sucked. You guys expect the front4 to do everything and it impossible.
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hahaha priest u still havent stopped making entertaining yet idiotic comments. the last i remember of gerard warren was him gettin pushed 10 yards back a hell of a lot of time by opposing olines, speak logic bro
June 16th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
“Bottom line teams can win with poor run defense i have given four examples along with where they ranked for said year.”
Yeah and 2 people win the lotto every week in California.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
You are take a rare instance and building a case around it. Your the one who’s ship is sinking.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
The Taz is back! Sup bruh? How’s life?
June 16th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Mistic,
You might want to check the score for that Chiefs vs Colts game again. 9-0 at half time. 16-8 end of 3rd qtr. Was it an afterthought or they couldnt run?
In regards to reg season vs playoffs,Bill Parcell is the one who said the NFL has 2 seasons, the reg and playoffs. You can surely pad your stats against lousy teams in the reg season. Case in point, the Raiders padded its reg season offensive stats big time against Denver last season.
The playoff is where you go against winning teams and prove your real worth. That’s how you win championships. Not in the regular season but when it’s crunch time. I’ll take Bill Parcell over your analysis I think.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
“Money” Warren was complete garbage, and a lazy dude who was a bad influence on others.
People would always tell me he was “absorbing” the double-team, which was his job.
Well there is a difference between “absorbing” two defenders, and allowing two guys to shove you wherever they wanted to all game.
Interior O-lineman love the opportunity to see “Money” Warren and his lack of effort on Sundays. That’s why the Pats have him playing on the outside.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Bauce, you think Sey has enough speed for a DE position?
June 16th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
MR sorry but your lame pic doesnt work. You said I was the Anthony Weiner of this blog and I countered with the fact I cant be because overall people on this blog like me as in think Im cool as evidenced by the folks I met from here. Also i dont send d-ck pics like Weiner…….try again and thanks for playing
June 16th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
AIG for RDE spot no….LDE hell yeah. RT is generally the road grader and cant handle edge rshers like LT. Seymour would be like Reggie white imo from there
June 16th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
BHP you dont care who is number 1 for wr? Lol that means you dont have a competent unit! No one knows their role………yeah smart plan. Al better gamble on a vet like Chad or smith cuz Glazz Schilens sprains his pxssy too much, DHB sux, Murphy is inconsistent and cant run routes and Ford is an explosive runt. Save that D Moore is a steal bs too
June 16th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Chaz Schilens will catch more TD’s than DHB this year.
Print that.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
hmmm…I hear ya. I just dont think he’s slim enough to get enough speed for even the RDE spot. Dude is getting older and we know you lose speed/quickness as you get older.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Mistic,
You might want to check the score for that Chiefs vs Colts game again. 9-0 at half time. 16-8 end of 3rd qtr. Was it an afterthought or they couldnt run?
In regards to reg season vs playoffs,Bill Parcell is the one who said the NFL has 2 seasons, the reg and playoffs.
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Hilarious!
The queefs were dominated in that game. kc managed 7 first downs. Indi had 28!!!
Couldnt run or wouldnt run? How about answer c…they didnt run. 13 attempts for lj during the height of his career!
face it the 06 indi run defense was atrocious in fact they were 32nd in the league
question do you get dizzy from all of your spin
June 16th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
hahaha my dude BRian the Bauce, General!! nothin much bro juss been working and spending lots of needed time with tha wifey and kids. How’s life treatin u bro?
June 16th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
June 15th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Fk MLK….Ed Teach that guy was just another hustlin ass preacher. And an admitted Marxist.
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With quotes like this, you’re bound to be popular with BrownStains, 666, and certain other’s.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Let’s go Al! Next month cba deal shall be done…..dont go into this season with the plan I was told last Friday. Get a vet WR to be the possesion guy, get a vet OG cuz the two we plan to go with aint gonna get it done in power scheme, make sure manase Tonga is on roster and plays this year and trade for Osi make this defense dominant for real, start Hendu and get a wlb who doesnt suck like Groves
June 16th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
May 17th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Mista…..well sign me down for Aryan nation cuz i aint with his healthcare crap either
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Very popular.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Taz im chillin….not as wild as I use to be but the wild gene shows up every now and then. U ready for sept 12th?
June 16th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
I’m ready for a Buffalo road game.
CJ Legend, Bcz and I’m sure a few other semi-pro’s will be in attendance.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
AIG….WELL LDe you dont need to be as quick/fast. Seymour can be my UT….cut Kelly dammit or demote his ass
June 16th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Buffalo? I heard that city is run down and just garbage
June 16th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Taz im chillin….not as wild as I use to be but the wild gene shows up every now and then. U ready for sept 12th?
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Hahaha glad to hear that bro, and hell yes im ready for sept. 12! hopefully the damn lockout doesnt ruin it.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
“With quotes like this, you’re bound to be popular with BrownStains, 666, and certain other’s.”
Krappy Kell you are WRONG, its quotes like the one below that I enjoy reading!
“Krappy, you haven’t recently sent any Tweets of your old diapers to any Kane & Associate secretaries, have you?”
June 16th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
KPDK as usual you hate the truth. MLK was a marxist they got him on fbi tapes saying as much also its widely known he went to that Folklore school or whatever in tennesee which was a communist spot. Preachers are pulpit pimps and he sure gott ppaid for March on Washington like the hustler he is
June 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Back in the heyday, Raider corners could manhandle WR’s until the ball was in the air, and really knock people off their routes. Now, they can’t touch the WR after 5yds. So, I don’t think Man2Man is as viable today. That’s why most teams have gone Zone.
The D-Line stops the run, stops the run, stops the run, then BAM. The RB is in the secondary, and the DB’s have their backs turned running downfield.
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that’s y rod woodson said in a pressed that the db’s will be playing less with there backs turned this year!!!
June 16th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Buffalo? I heard that city is run down and just garbage
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Yup, that’s why you stay in Niagara Falls on the other side of the border.
You cross the Bridge into Buffalo and it’s hood immediately.
Welcome to America!!!
June 16th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Meaning they’ll be facing the ball while it’s in the air
June 16th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
MLK started to bust out at seams and wanna have change of heart late in the game like JFK….that’s why he got whacked. Chickens came home to roost! Just like Ghandi,King started to see his non violence passive get my ass whooped schyt was a failure
June 16th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Mistic,
yeah they were so atrocious that they allowed 80 rushing yds per game against the best of the league when it counted. You are so right.
But let’s get back to your real point here. I’m under the impression you believe the Raiders can be an avg rushing D and still win it all? If not, then let’s not bother discussing any further.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
KK
I have no opinion on your MLK debate with Bauce.
I do however have an opinion on your Metamucil addiction and the sponge baths and enema’s administered by your homosexual nurse.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
non violence = epic flop
June 16th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
And Raider E….wherever you are if that wr unit holds up then u damn sure win bet
June 16th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
AIG,
for the 50 millionth time a team can win it all with an average or even a below average run defense.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Mistic….KPDK was talkin about Jesus Pimps the other day then get upset when I call out MLK as one….hypocrite to the max
June 16th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Mistic….no this team with how we play our scheme it cant and wont happen
June 16th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
UT is his best position imo Bauce. I think Wauffle had a big ugly NT as well when he was coaching at the Giants. But that’s only 1/3 of our problems. Still need LB’s to shed tackles and mix in a little more zone with our DB’s. DT and LB’s cannot contain 100% of the time. there will be leaks here and there and we need our db’s to cover those leaks. They can’t do it with their back against the runner. Perhaps getting one of our safeties to step up this year and make that tackle vs whiffling.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
666…a debate is when two or more people have a real discussion and offer viewpoints,opinions or facts on a certain issue. This aint a debate its me killin bubblegutsKPDK time after time
June 16th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
AIG,
for the 50 millionth time a team can win it all with an average or even a below average run defense.
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Mistic,
First, sure sure sure.
Second, I notice you refused to take a stand on the Raiders and your run defense theory.
Can the current Raiders win it all with an avg or below avg run D? Yes or no?
Checkmate.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
AIG i agree with ya but its more than a 1/3 of the problem. Henderson needs to start. Best thing for us is Kelly or Seymour get hurt orsomeone is demoted. Cant have guys play outta position
June 16th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Cant have guys play outta position
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Playing out of position is what we do and how we roll. Frustrating but that’s life as a Raider fan.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
With a dreamers trade for Osi…..a starting dline Umenyiora-Henderson-Seymour-Houston softens the blow you crybabies see in losing Nnamdi. You’ll get more pressure on Qb and have better chance at being effective vs run
June 16th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
AIG,
for the 50 millionth time a team can win it all with an average or even a below average run defense.
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Mistic,
First, sure sure sure.
Second, I notice you refused to take a stand on the Raiders and your run defense theory.
Can the current Raiders win it all with an avg or below avg run D? Yes or no?
Checkmate.
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I think you meant to say check please.
Key words in your question, current raiders.
i dont think this team is ready to win a superbowl yet.
I do think we will be in the playoffs if our o-line improves.
To win a superbowl the team as it is now needs major upgrade on the o-line, and better wr play.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
AIG that sorta shhhht has to stop if we wanna gget back to a title contender. would ya go to an engineer for heart surgery?
June 16th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
R8dercain Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
that’s y rod woodson said in a pressed that the db’s will be playing less with there backs turned this year!!!
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Let’s hope Rod has early success with those efforts, lest his relationship with “the boss” sours.
June 16th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
To win a superbowl the team as it is now needs major upgrade on the o-line, and better wr play.
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wait, so are you saying our current D is good enough to be a SB team?
June 16th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Trade for Osi!….sign Chad!….elevate Tonga!…..get a vet guard! Let’s take AFC West!
June 16th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
KK, you are the butt end of almost every joke in here yet you comeback for your beating everyday like clock work.
Props!
June 16th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
tj I know your out there lurking, lets talk about those exotic zone schemes you and 666Glen kept insisting we run since Routt has made a liar out of both of you.
June 16th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Our D is not good enough to win a title…we lack a special pass rushing DE, an adequate WLB and a real starter at NT. When we get those two things holla at ya Bauce
June 16th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
KPDK….SOURS? like your sexual relationship with Mrs.Kelly?
June 16th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Chuck Bresnahan to the rescue!
bahahahaha
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Our D is not good enough to win a title…we lack a special pass rushing DE, an adequate WLB and a real starter at NT. When we get those two things holla at ya Bauce
June 16th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Bauce why aint you at the coliseum for a nooner against KC, free hot dog day to boot!
June 16th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Wats sup Bauce?
So according to your source I was correct in saying the WR corp. was set? Im not gonna hold you to our bet though.
June 16th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Mista…..that Weiner presser was awesome today….the constituents in that area were rough on him. He was someone that many political world disliked and he now possibly leaving open a chance at a repub grabbin that slot lol
June 16th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Raider E why not? Im a man and owe up to my stuff
June 16th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
I think that we bet we would not come on this blog and I’m not kool with you not being here. Plus I like the way you dog Kool Kell.
June 16th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Mista…..for some crazy reason I dont like day games like this…..maybe cuz I get too drunk in the heat and I can better manage at night games lol
June 16th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Raider E i hear ya man….KPDK sucks. How bout some brew game gettin stepped up for ya when ya come to a game if wr unit holds up?
June 16th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
So KPDK…mark down another one Raider E is cool with me
June 16th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Sounds good Bauce, I like that idea.
June 16th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Sister Brown Stains
I have never once said we run a complex defensive scheme. You are low on brain cells today and are confusing me with Krapy the adult diaper wearing racist.
Go back to what you do best giving men hand jobs behind the 7-11 for meth money.
June 16th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
A+ for Routt finishing his college requirements
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