Al Davis turns 82
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, July 4th, 2011 at 8:12 am in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders owner Al Davis, one of those truly only-in-America stories, turns 82 today.
Here’s a column on Davis posted on the Inside Bay Area Web site by longtime columnist Martin Snapp which illustrates the “you’re with us or you’re against us” approach the Raiders owner had with the media back in the 60s.
As the column illustrates, Davis’ acts of behind-the-scenes kindness for those he feels are in his corner are legendary.
Davis hasn’t had regular exchanges with the local media for years now, saving his best theater for press conference situations where he demonstrates he’ll turn on a coach in a minute if they do anything to undermine the greatness of his Raiders. That’s the other side of Al, and no less fascinating.
At an advanced age, the challenges have never been greater for the organization which has been his life. The Raiders face serious economic difficulties in an environment the richest owners are looking to maximize profits for themselves at the expense of the league as a whole.
The Raiders reached mediocrity last year at 8-8 after an unprecedented run of seven consecutive seasons of 11 or more losses, and Davis is looking to Hue Jackson to help him return his team to championship form.
From a purely selfish perspective, here’s hoping Davis gets his wish. As John Madden has said hundreds of times, the NFL is a better and more interesting league when the Raiders are good. Depending on how long the lockout continues, the NFL will need all the help it can get.
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July 4th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Happy Birth Day MR Davis.
July 4th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Heres hopin station 82 is your last…..Free the Raiders!
July 4th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Dan LAN that’s an awful thing to say. Al Davis is the RAIDERS. Love the organization 100% or go be a panthers fan instead. No Loyalty!
July 4th, 2011 at 8:51 am
I wonder what Kool Kell bought Al for his birthday?
July 4th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Happy Birthday, Al. We know what you want, and we hope you get it. Hope you can wait til February.
July 4th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Long live the king
July 4th, 2011 at 9:02 am
82 is getting up there. When people get that age, you have to accept the fact that they don’t have much time left. And, if they own a business, those who are a part of their business have to start planning for life without them. The sooner, the better.
July 4th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Happy Birthday Big Al!
July 4th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Merry 4th, to all you yanks.. and congrats on the first stage ever to be won by an american on 4th of july..
July 4th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Happy birthday uncle Al
July 4th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Happy Birthday, Al, you iconic old coot! May you belie your apperance & live another 82 years!
July 4th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Priesttj Says:
July 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Chad is a mememe singing fool, it’s all memememe lalalalala idiot………..we don’t need HIM here. We need a leader as a vet not someone who’s going to be worrying about his twitter acct more than helping a young guy learn the position. He’ll never concentrate to that point he’s yet very immature IMO.
They bring him here they’re crazy………..period
Priesttj Says:
July 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
If you wnat someone to help these guys learn bring in someone who’s a student of the game. Just itching to learn and get better. Those are the guys young guys learn best from a guy who’s trying to get better. Not someone looking for a paycheck
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No BHP……I disagree with you that he is a me me me player. Yeah sure he got the TV show and he talks alot of trash but so what? But he always comes to compete on gameday and is leaps and bounds better than anyone on our roster. What about that dont you get?
Cincy is a trash organization that he mainly made sort of relevant again with his antics and play. Deny that you cant. Now 2 out of his last 3 seasons aint been that great but tell me this….how better would the Raiders have been if a WR the last 3 seasons had almost 200 catches 2400 yards 17 TDs and about 12-3 yards a catch?
How do you know he wont concentrate? Really seriously how do you know? When has a teammate ever said he doesnt come to play on gameday? Our WR unit needs a little more swagger so does the whole offense. I like a team full of good guys but you need a few questionable cats out there. I cant have a team full of upstanding guys…..booooooooooooo!
Chad is already paid BHP….the guy wants to win. He even allowed another big name WR to come on his team. Tell me that isnt a team player and he put the team interests above his own.
The problem is you have this false belief in DHB. This guy is not good man! An injured Chaz, Inconsistent Murphy and an undersized Ford have clearly outplayed him….and it shall continue unless something amazing happens.
Chad is the only vet to teach DHB to not be a scared BZ on the field. Is Chad willing to go over the middle and risk his body? HELL YEAH he has done it many of times. Chad can line up and immediately recognize what defenses are doing. No WR on our roster can do that except maybe Chaz but he wont stay healthy
Also BHP you defend JC like I do but yet you dont want to get him the help he really needs and thats a vet WR.
July 4th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Happy Bday Al!
July 4th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Dan Land Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Heres hopin station 82 is your last…..Free the Raiders!
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You’re a typical idiot and would never say this crap to anyone’s face
July 4th, 2011 at 10:03 am
RAIDER Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 9:02 am
82 is getting up there. When people get that age, you have to accept the fact that they don’t have much time left. And, if they own a business, those who are a part of their business have to start planning for life without them. The sooner, the better.
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Al is making it to 90….He is awesome
July 4th, 2011 at 10:25 am
82! I thought he was 90 something. He looks about 150! 7-9. Forget Pryor he’s a scrub, Jamarcus II
July 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Al, For your birthday I bought you Roy Williams, Terrell Pryor, And Nnamdi Asomugha. Enjoy your new toys!
July 4th, 2011 at 11:02 am
And though some people still haven’t forgiven him for moving the team to Los Angeles in 1982, he brought them back in 1995, didn’t he?
He’s like Winston Churchill, who was originally elected to Parliament as a Conservative, crossed the aisle in 1904 to join the Liberals, then crossed the aisle again 20 years later to rejoin the Conservatives.
As he took his seat on the Conservative bench, his erstwhile Liberal allies hooted at him, “Rat! Rat!” Unperturbed, Churchill replied, “Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.”
Happy birthday, Mister D.
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Yeah, happy birthday Al.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Happy July 4th Nation!
July 4th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Happy B-day Al! .
July 4th, 2011 at 11:17 am
2.Dan Land Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Heres hopin station 82 is your last…..Free the Raiders!
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Azzhole.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Churchill was a bipolar drunk.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Dweebs, my ladies just surprised me with Stars n Stripes matching bikinis. We’re pumping some John Cougar and toasting red white and blue Pop Tarts. Pretty soon we’re going to start 69ing for America.
Hope Krappy and the rest of you blog nerds find an excuse to get out your parent’s houses to party serious.
Don’t worry, I’m bringing my iPad2 down to the jacuzzi so I can bag on you for a few more hours.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Bauce I want to get JC the help he needs more than anyone. I would’ve loved to have Chad here 2 years ago when both Murphy and DHB were rookies and I said so many times. IMO Chad Johnson was at one time as good a route runner as Jerry Rice and had as good hands. He was one of the top competitors at that position then. Now he is in it for notoriety and to further his interest off the field. He would come here and as long as thing went smooth he might contain the crap he does on the sidelines something he calls entertaining. I call it bullcrap the game is anough for me I don’t need to see or hear his antics. And his buffoonery. He brought T.O. there for their TV show and Carson Palmer knew it and got tired of their crap and QUIT FOOTBALL to get away from those two idiots.
I bet you dollars to donuts Palmer would come back if Chad LEFT!!!
He’s not a leader he’s not a teacher he’s a character what would be his motivation in coming here other than to sel more of his crap on a another stage. His talent is obvious not going to argue that point. What I don’t want is the sideshows on the sideline which you and I BOTH know are certain to come and neither does Hue Jackson. THat dude wil NEVER EVER change…………period
If they bring him here they’re signing up for all of his crap to go with his talent and at this point hos talent aint worth that. I would much rather see Steve Smith or someone who REALLY is in it to win it. If I believe for one second that Chad was that person I would campaign his coming here. I aint sold at all…
July 4th, 2011 at 11:51 am
He11, that’s worth logging in for. #2 danland, why dont you go play by the mortars tonight. Happy Birthday,Al.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:51 am
As Far as DHB is concerned as I’ve said many times I’ve seen his story a hundred times or more. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the kid became one of our better offensive weapons. I’m not at all predicting that I’m saying it wouldn’t surprise. I remember when they were calling Chad Johnson a disappointment. WR’s just take longer than most positions because of the intracacies of that position there many nuances and technigues that must be learned and adjusted to. Route running is as close to an art form as can be imagined in this game. It just takes time to understand how to do it. How to read defenses and know how to adjust routes and sit down in zones their are 6 year vets who still can’t do it. And they are some of you more gifted players.
To see DHB struggle is common place at that position. I remmeber Wes Welker before he got to the Pat’s was a throw away WR who finally found his niche. Donald Driver was one of worse looking WR’s you’ll ever see when he came in. he dropped everything and was a confused kid until he finally landed in GB and they taught him the game. It’s just a million and one examples of what you see DHB going through. Talk to me in 2 years and we’ll see what you’re saying then.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:51 am
‘Sup fellas.
Heading out to a cookout and fireworks with friends and family.
Wanted to wish Raider Nation a safe and Happy 4th of July!
And a Happy 82nd to Mr. Davis.
Have a good one fellas.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:54 am
But the next day he’d bi-polar and sober. Tomorrow you’ll still be MR.
July 4th, 2011 at 11:55 am
BTW I’m watching T Pryor do everything you people keep saying he can’t do in a BCS bowl game against Oregon. In which he won the MVP. He’s 12-17 126 yards with a TD pass with 3 mins. to go in the 2nd qrtr. It’s a joke how guys get pigeon holed by people who don’t like them. But people keep telling me he can’t pass and can’t play QB, the hell he can’t. This kid is a winner…………period
July 4th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Bauce I want to get JC the help he needs more than anyone. I would’ve loved to have Chad here 2 years ago when both Murphy and DHB were rookies and I said so many times. IMO Chad Johnson was at one time as good a route runner as Jerry Rice and had as good hands. He was one of the top competitors at that position then. Now he is in it for notoriety and to further his interest off the field. He would come here and as long as thing went smooth he might contain the crap he does on the sidelines something he calls entertaining. I call it bullcrap the game is anough for me I don’t need to see or hear his antics. And his buffoonery. He brought T.O. there for their TV show and Carson Palmer knew it and got tired of their crap and QUIT FOOTBALL to get away from those two idiots.
I bet you dollars to donuts Palmer would come back if Chad LEFT!!!
He’s not a leader he’s not a teacher he’s a character what would be his motivation in coming here other than to sel more of his crap on a another stage. His talent is obvious not going to argue that point. What I don’t want is the sideshows on the sideline which you and I BOTH know are certain to come and neither does Hue Jackson. THat dude wil NEVER EVER change…………period
If they bring him here they’re signing up for all of his crap to go with his talent and at this point hos talent aint worth that. I would much rather see Steve Smith or someone who REALLY is in it to win it. If I believe for one second that Chad was that person I would campaign his coming here. I aint sold at all…
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Who gives a damn about his reality show? I dont. Guy is too entertaining to not be on TV. What antics did he really have on sideline last year?
And you’re a damn lie saying it was Chad who brought TO there….it was Carson Palmer’s word that got him there not Chad’s. Palmer wants to quit because the Bengals suck. Have you not heard Esiason and Rimington saying its the worst franchise ever? Thanks
The Panthers will only trade Steve Smith not release him. Chad will be released.
You saying Hue wont want his type of personality on the team? Yeah okay BHP….quotes from both suggest way opposite…try again
We need production not just good stand up guys. We dont have one guy on this roster right now that can catch 70 passes for 1000 yards and 8-10tds
Chad will open up the field so much and Zach Miller wont get doubled so much. Think about the big picture and trying to win in 2011 instead of hold on to your DHB fantasy
July 4th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 11:51 am
As Far as DHB is concerned as I’ve said many times I’ve seen his story a hundred times or more. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the kid became one of our better offensive weapons. I’m not at all predicting that I’m saying it wouldn’t surprise. I remember when they were calling Chad Johnson a disappointment. WR’s just take longer than most positions because of the intracacies of that position there many nuances and technigues that must be learned and adjusted to. Route running is as close to an art form as can be imagined in this game. It just takes time to understand how to do it. How to read defenses and know how to adjust routes and sit down in zones their are 6 year vets who still can’t do it. And they are some of you more gifted players.
To see DHB struggle is common place at that position. I remmeber Wes Welker before he got to the Pat’s was a throw away WR who finally found his niche. Donald Driver was one of worse looking WR’s you’ll ever see when he came in. he dropped everything and was a confused kid until he finally landed in GB and they taught him the game. It’s just a million and one examples of what you see DHB going through. Talk to me in 2 years and we’ll see what you’re saying then.
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LOL BHP….you stretching the truth right about now lol. Compare Chad and DHB’s rookie year….now compare their 2nd seasons. See the difference?
We have seen didley squat from DHB. 35 catches for 400 yards and 2 TDs? Naw this guy sucks. Comparing him to chad who wasnt a first rounder has to be a joke right?
July 4th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
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July 4th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 11:55 am
BTW I’m watching T Pryor do everything you people keep saying he can’t do in a BCS bowl game against Oregon. In which he won the MVP. He’s 12-17 126 yards with a TD pass with 3 mins. to go in the 2nd qrtr. It’s a joke how guys get pigeon holed by people who don’t like them. But people keep telling me he can’t pass and can’t play QB, the hell he can’t. This kid is a winner…………period
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So was Tee Martin lol
July 4th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
DHB max production in 2011<——- 40 catches 500 yards 3 tDs……big whoopty doo for our playmaking number one WR lol
July 4th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
And BHP…..Steve Smith is not a better possession WR than Chad…I’m sorry but I cant agree with you here. Steve Smith has attitude problems as well dammit and whoops teammates ass…..oh you think Hue wants that in Oakland? gimme a break!
July 4th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
According to RotoWorld, DHB will be the 7th highest paid WR next year, lol.
July 4th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Bauce I never said DHB had great #’s his #’s are about as bad as it gets. That aint my point forget the stats for a second and just consider the kids gifts and what he can be. Bashing his stats is as easy singing a lullaby. That kis has a wealth of talent that needs to be exploited by this team over the next 8-10 years. He works at it in way few others have it’s bound to pay off IMO.
Why wouldn’t Palmer want another gifted WR especially after losing that kis in death. What he didn’t want is the crap that came with and that gets to be more important than winning with those two. Yeah everyone knows the Bengals suck and so do the Detroit Lions but LEADERS can make a huge difference. And that is something I can’t get YOU to understand. LOOK at their track records at what point in T.O. or Chad’s career have you seen leadership qualities?? Huh?
Tell me when have they EVER shown the ability to lead a 2 year old child?? Chad is still capable of playing that aint my issue. It’s the other crap and at this point HE AINT WORTH IT IMHO!!!
July 4th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Purvisman,
Winston Churchill was hardly ever sober.
July 4th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
According to RotoWorld, DHB will be the 7th highest paid WR next year, lol.
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Damn shame
July 4th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Breaking news: Al Davis just turned 83!
July 4th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
What would happen if The Raiders violated the walkout?
It would be a classic, “just Win” maneuver for Al to get his guys together, hold camp, and prepare for the season while the rest of the league betrays their narcissism.
And if the league comes down on him, can’t Al just pull a Shanahan on the b*st*rds?
July 4th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Bauce my point is you can get Chad’s production from a # of vet’s out there. It doesn’t HAVE to be Chad Johnson I’m not sure I understand your fixation on Chad Johnson. Why HIM????
We could one of 25 different vets to do what he can do at this point. Why do we need HIS crap??? I would much rather have someone caoable of leadership and production without the buffoonery.
July 4th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Bauce I never said DHB had great #’s his #’s are about as bad as it gets. That aint my point forget the stats for a second and just consider the kids gifts and what he can be. Bashing his stats is as easy singing a lullaby. That kis has a wealth of talent that needs to be exploited by this team over the next 8-10 years. He works at it in way few others have it’s bound to pay off IMO.
Why wouldn’t Palmer want another gifted WR especially after losing that kis in death. What he didn’t want is the crap that came with and that gets to be more important than winning with those two. Yeah everyone knows the Bengals suck and so do the Detroit Lions but LEADERS can make a huge difference. And that is something I can’t get YOU to understand. LOOK at their track records at what point in T.O. or Chad’s career have you seen leadership qualities?? Huh?
Tell me when have they EVER shown the ability to lead a 2 year old child?? Chad is still capable of playing that aint my issue. It’s the other crap and at this point HE AINT WORTH IT IMHO!!!
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Palmer doesnt wanna be with the bengals BHP. The organization is the worse in all of football. some guys wanna win or at least be some place where they really wanna win. They drafted Greene and Dalton….that means its over for Chad and Palmer there….time to move on
My god name a damn leader of that WR unit now…….ok you cant…you get the point now? Those young guys would listen to Chad especially since he would have Hue’s backing. What part about Hue do you miss in all of this? What is the malfunction?
You said you aint doubting his ability to play but worry about the antics? Well I’d rather have a few character issues with production than nice guys who cant get it done. Chaz,DHb,Louis and Ford arent enough to get it to done
July 4th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Bauce my point is you can get Chad’s production from a # of vet’s out there. It doesn’t HAVE to be Chad Johnson I’m not sure I understand your fixation on Chad Johnson. Why HIM????
We could one of 25 different vets to do what he can do at this point. Why do we need HIS crap??? I would much rather have someone caoable of leadership and production without the buffoonery.
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We talking about things conducive to what a team needs. There will be no NFL vet who can go over the middle with no fear and move the chains like Chad still! Plax hasnt played in 3 years so shut that down now. We need a possession WR who can get 70 catches and 1000 yards. Chad is toward the end of his career so he aint gonna cost hella much.
You keep forgetting how Chad can read defenses
July 4th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
BHP u outta go look up Chad’s numbers vs AFC West…..wow does that guy kick ass. Its exactly what we need. He is a do it all WR but mostly he can keep the chains moving on 3rd down
July 4th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Bauce as I said no one especially me is not disputing his game. I know he can play when he’s focused that aint the issue, it’s the other stuff. There several WR’s who will be great lockeroom leaders and willing teachers that can be had. What we have seen from guys like Seymour and Camp are what I’m talking about. Kam Wimbley guys who respect the game and play it the way it’s supposed to be played. Who are about the competition. They don’t get bored with the game and start acting like a clown to get extra attention. I’ll take any of them over Chad.
July 4th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Happy Birthday, Big Al.
May station 82 be where Dan Land gets run over by a train. What a douche-waffle.
July 4th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Bauce as I said no one especially me is not disputing his game. I know he can play when he’s focused that aint the issue, it’s the other stuff. There several WR’s who will be great lockeroom leaders and willing teachers that can be had. What we have seen from guys like Seymour and Camp are what I’m talking about. Kam Wimbley guys who respect the game and play it the way it’s supposed to be played. Who are about the competition. They don’t get bored with the game and start acting like a clown to get extra attention. I’ll take any of them over Chad.
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Yes you will take least amount of production possible to have your feel good guy story going on….please. We building a bully right? Hey what better than having a good showman like Chad who can play be out there. Our wRs need some charisma and swagger to their program. Great teacher right there and he will be on good behavior out here with hue. trust that
July 4th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
BHP….I can see it now at some point in the season you saying we need more production out of our WRs lol…..classic man
July 4th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 8:51 am
I wonder what Kool Kell bought Al for his birthday?
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Vegas….u crack me up!!!!
roflmao!!
July 4th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Bauce….how did go last night?
July 4th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
T Pryor just threw a backshoulder TD to go ahead in the bowlgame. Prefect backshoulder throw I wonder how he did that since he can’t throw NFL passes. What a joke. This kid competes and doesn’t accept losing, he’s everthing I like in a competitor and leader. The tools are in abundance he just needs technigue and fine tuning……………period
July 4th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
From The Bay 2 L.A. 2 Las Vegas Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Bauce….how did go last night?
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It was alright…..I got a lil buzzed but then we took the party to someone’s house lol…that wasnt too bad
July 4th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
T Pryor just threw a backshoulder TD to go ahead in the bowlgame. Prefect backshoulder throw I wonder how he did that since he can’t throw NFL passes. What a joke. This kid competes and doesn’t accept losing, he’s everthing I like in a competitor and leader. The tools are in abundance he just needs technigue and fine tuning……………period
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Doubt we get him BHP….being honest
July 4th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
A friend of mine stopped and talked to me. Said dan land sounded very mr/raideresque and wondered if he had the nuts to say that to Mr Davis’ face. I told him I didn’t think so and he probably someday would hope he can can make it to his 80’s.
July 4th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
I’m not saying we will get him, I’m saying WE SHOULD.
July 4th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Hey Dan Land, post number 4. Go F#@K yourself. No need to wish for another mans death because you do not like how he runs a team that he owns. You are a sh!tty fan, now go root for the whiners. Raiders do not need fans like you.
July 4th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Brian the Genital, did the dude have a nice house?
Ha ha you walked right into that one, sucka! Too easy.
Bros, my ladies and I have been partying serious here at the Ritz pool. The PARTYDUDE 8000 is working overtime on the margaritas and got an order in for a x-large plate of chili cheese fries.
If only Krappy was here to trim some of the hedges back and serve us traditional shrimp cocktails, life would be complete.
CHUCK D THE MINISTER OF DEFENSE
July 4th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Happy, happy birthday Davey…..hope I didn’t spoil your birthday!!
July 4th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
As for Pryor, I am still not in favor of drafting a QB with tools to become a starter in this league. Not until we prove as an organization that we can develop a QB. Until then, it is just a wasted draft pick.
July 4th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Bauce….mayne…crazy ish out here in Vegas!!
Should a stood my @$$ down in L.A.!
Lol…!
July 4th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Yeah we’re supposed to prove we can develope a QB without drafting one. That makes a ton of sense in an insane asylum. You have to draft one to prove you can develope one…………thanks for listening!
If the Raiders have the opportunity to get this kid and don’t they’ll kick themselves for years as he becomes a star at the next level. At the next level he’s going to get better and better. At some point Pryor will dominate at the next level he just competes too well not to. I just watched his soph finale. It was great stuff. Yeah I do believe he could’ve used another year in school but you don’t pass on this kid for that reason. Get him and coach him up and you’ll look like geniuses for doing it.
July 4th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Brian the Genital, did the dude have a nice house?
Ha ha you walked right into that one, sucka! Too easy.
Bros, my ladies and I have been partying serious here at the Ritz pool. The PARTYDUDE 8000 is working overtime on the margaritas and got an order in for a x-large plate of chili cheese fries.
If only Krappy was here to trim some of the hedges back and serve us traditional shrimp cocktails, life would be complete.
CHUCK D THE MINISTER OF DEFENSE
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That was completely lame Beecher
July 4th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
From The Bay 2 L.A. 2 Las Vegas Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Bauce….mayne…crazy ish out here in Vegas!!
Should a stood my @$$ down in L.A.!
Lol…!
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Yeah off away from that strip its rough as hell
July 4th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
I’m not saying we will get him, I’m saying WE SHOULD.
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I dont think we should….dont like his skill set
July 4th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Once again Happy 82 Big Al! Hope its your last….FREE THE RAIDERS!!
The Oakland Raiders as an organization CAN NOT develop a young QB. Fact. Terrell Pryor wouldnt have a snowballs chance in AZ if he came here.
July 4th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Snows a lot in AZ.
July 4th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nobj204OK8
July 4th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Nothing like 69′ing a chick to Howard Jones’ “No One is to Blame”, Beecham.
July 4th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
I’d rather have the Raiders get Josh Portis as a UDFA than use a third round pick on Pryor.
Still, I think the first round next year is where the Raiders need to focus on a QB. Worst case scenario? The Raiders find themselves in a position to draft Andrew Luck or Landry Jones. But even if the Raiders have a late first rounder, they’ll have solid options. Robert Griffin and Ryan Lindley are impressive prospects.
July 4th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
The Raiders dont develop QBs…shut the f up about draftn one. FREE THE RAIDERS!!
July 4th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Saw that NFL players voted Brady 1, and Manning 2. Don’t agree. Manning 1, easy.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
the whole Pryor thing. I really dont care. The trend says Raiders can’t develop QBs or WRs, pretty succesful ath developing Punters though. The law of averages says we are due either at QB or WR. So take a chance, life is short.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
I’m not sure about Lindley but I wouldn’t take Griffin over Pryor even if I had the choice to do so. And I really like Robert Griffin. Pryor is just a bigger stronger version of Griffin. I think what people don’t see in Pryor is his ability to throw the football they think he isn’t good at it. There’s only two QB’s that I would readily take over Pryor in next years draft and that’s Luck and LJones from Oklahoma. And I’ll take either one of those guys because it’s splitting hairs who might be better. Landry Jones is a certain star and Luck is as well, they both are extremely talented. Luck may be a better athlete of the two but Jones is on par with Sam Bradford.
Pryor is not in their class but neither are several others in next years draft Pryor if he stayed in school and entered next years draft would be at worst a low 1st early 2nd rnd pick. He would be a definite Heisman candidate.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Pryor or Vince Young? VY could be the next-next Plunkett.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The whole developing QBs thing… who cares if you are good at it or not, you need a QB either friggin way. so take one.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The whole developing QBs thing… who cares if you are good at it or not, you need a QB either friggin way. so take one.
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Pretty much. If you’re looking for a QB the caliber of Manning, Brady, and Rodgers, the only way that’s going to happen is through the draft.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Saying we can’t develope a QB is like saying because we haven’t been to playoffs in 8 years why should we be trying. It’s crosseyed reasoning.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Happy Birthday Al!
* draft Pryor in RD5 (if he’s there)
* sign Terrell Owens in FA
* retain Bush & Miller
Let Gallery, Barnes, Walker & Henderson test the waters in free agency. No takers? Bring’em back on the cheap for depth
If you can’t get Pryor, I’ll take Trent Edwards or Billy Volek for 1-year vet minimum.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Those are the same people who say Al Davis can’t biuld a team anymore, as he does it right before their very eyes.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
McClain was brought in to improve the ENTIRE defense, and be a bad azzed middle LB.
So far so good. Run defense shaved off 20 ypg from the year before (still a lot of work to be done there), he has almost single-handely removed screen plays from the opposing teams playbook against us, he is beast in the passing game, all-rookie team, and he is going to slap around our division again this year, and start his annual string of making the Pro Bowl as early as 2012.
McClain is one of the main reasons for optimism next year, in my eyes.
The guy isn’t even 22 years old yet, and he will have opposing OC’s game-planning AROUND HIM, already.
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JFB,
the Raiders 29th ranked Run Defense isn’t putting fear in any OC’s around the league.
Once again… the Raiders give McClain;
Houston, ShoNasty, Seymour (at DT), Wimbley & Groves and the Raiders Run D improves from 31st to 29th?
now you’re calling the guy a Pro Bowler?
Jerry Mac just wrote a column a few months ago about him having minimal impact on the field. As a rookie was a disappointment. I didn’t write that article and I’m pretty sure that I’m not the only Raider fan out there that thinks a Top 10 MLB should as you say “improve the ENTIRE defense” which clearly hasn’t happened yet – and with the same starting front 7 on defense doesn’t look too promising in 2011
July 4th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
The A’s hit into more bouble plays than nay team I’ve ever witnesses. It’s incredible, most teams couldn’t do it if they tried.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
retain Bush & Miller
Let Gallery, Barnes, Walker & Henderson test the waters in free agency. No takers? Bring’em back on the cheap for depth
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This is key.
Not sure about TO with the ACL injury. Raiders could definitely use a veteran at the WR position, but if it hasn’t happened yet I don’t see it happening now. The Raiders already extended Nick Miller and drafted Denarius Moore.
After Miller and Bush get re-signed I’d still like to see the Raiders bring in a veteran OG (Harvey Dahl and Reggie Wells could be options) and some competition for the FS spot (Jarrad Page would be ideal).
July 4th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
It’s July 4th how do you know what our front7 will be? IMO McClain could get significantly better. It’s what normally happens in your 3nd and 3rd seasons I can’t his being any different. He was a rookie just in case you didn’t know.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
2nd and 3rd seasons.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Those are the same people who say Al Davis can’t biuld a team anymore, as he does it right before their very eyes.
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Agreed, TJ!
Al Davis gets the credit for last season. not Hue Jackson
He kicked Russell, Fargas, Walker, Watkins, Stewart, Green, Morris, etc TO THE CURB!
then he drafted Ford & Veldheer and traded for Campbell
July 4th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
He was a rookie just in case you didn’t know.
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TJ,
perhaps you didn’t read the part that said “As a rookie was a disappointment.” ???
Just FYI – JaMarcus & DHB didn’t impress in their rookie seasons either
July 4th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
It’s July 4th how do you know what our front7 will be? IMO McClain could get significantly better.
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Let’s just say that I hope ROMAC does improve
Also,
ShoNasty-Seymour-Kelly-Houston
Groves-McClain-Wimbley
who do you see getting replaced ???
July 4th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Goethel will probably replace Groves. The Raiders wanted to do that last season before he got hurt.
Shaughnessy will be on the field MUCH more. Remember, through much of the season he was sharing snaps with Scott.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Raiders could definitely use a veteran at the WR position, but if it hasn’t happened yet I don’t see it happening now. The Raiders already extended Nick Miller and drafted Denarius Moore.
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YA, you always make excellent points. It’s fun to debate with you. I’m gonna hope you’re dead wrong on the “WR is solved” train of thought in the eyes of Raiders upper management
Moore (5th rounder) replaces JLH. Nick Miller sucks
Chaz Schilens is the “vet mentor” of the bunch and he’s an injury settlement waiting to happen. I don’t think Sanjay Lal is the guy to propel these youngsters to greatness. DHB, Murphy & Ford ALL (A-L-L) need to work on route running & seperation this offseason. In addition, we’re gonna demand fewer drops and no fumbles from The Three Musketeers
Give me Terrell Owens, Plaxico Burress or T.J. Housh just in case. We need a guy to move the chains. A big bodied possession WR for 3rd downs who isn’t afraid to cross the middle
July 4th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Last year’s team was good enough to be 10-6, yet wound up going 8-8 and missing the playoffs. I agree. Al Davis deserves the credit.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Groves for one.. I see Goethel getting that job he easily outplayed Groves on run D. But my major point was Romac is going to be one of the most dominant MLB’s in the game. We had a discussion a few weeks back about when was the last time we were really good vs the run and I mentioned when Beikert was the starter. I think RoMac is a thinking man’s MLB his appproach to the game is as much cerebral as it is physical and I would challenge anyone to name a more physical specimen at MLB than RoMac. This kid is going to be very special for us in the coming years. He will have a defining impact on this defense. IMHO!!
July 4th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
I don’t see the Raiders having a consistent run defense as long as the front four are all rushing the passer and the back seven are in man coverage.
The Raiders are just going to have to put up more points.
July 4th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
YA excellent post #89 great minds think alike!! haha!!
July 4th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
YZ we’ve never been extremely dominant vs the run and you’re right it is due to the fact that we wan t to man up and cover. But we’ve been one of the most dominant defenses in the league before. I see that coming to past while we may have some stryggles vs the run we could hold teams to 15 pts per game yet and still.
Uh Oh! now we gone hear from Bauce’s soap box……..LOL
July 4th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
WE NNEEEDDD A NOOSSZZ TACCKLLLLE!!!….LOL
July 4th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
YA, you always make excellent points. It’s fun to debate with you. I’m gonna hope you’re dead wrong on the “WR is solved” train of thought in the eyes of Raiders upper management
Moore (5th rounder) replaces JLH. Nick Miller sucks
Chaz Schilens is the “vet mentor” of the bunch and he’s an injury settlement waiting to happen. I don’t think Sanjay Lal is the guy to propel these youngsters to greatness. DHB, Murphy & Ford ALL (A-L-L) need to work on route running & seperation this offseason. In addition, we’re gonna demand fewer drops and no fumbles from The Three Musketeers
Give me Terrell Owens, Plaxico Burress or T.J. Housh just in case. We need a guy to move the chains. A big bodied possession WR for 3rd downs who isn’t afraid to cross the middle
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Thanks man. I appreciate your contributions as well. It’s nice that some of us around here still enjoy talking football and having good conversations.
I hope I’m wrong too. I agree, I’d definitely take Housh. Has experience with Hue, big and physical possession-type guy, fiery competitor who overachieves, and a low-risk, low-dollar signing.
Plax and TO would both be interesting, but with Plax it would depend on if he could contribute right away. And with TO, he might not be ready until a few weeks into the season. He could be a great mentor to the young WRs, but he could be disastrous in the locker room as a whole if the offense sputters and he becomes unhappy.
Roy Williams is intriguing, but he’s a guy who doesn’t always put in 100% of his effort. That would be a concern for a young team trying to build.
Santana Moss has experience with Al Saunders and Jason Campbell, but the Raiders already have WRs who can do what Moss does best.
Chad is a great talent, but I don’t see Al Davis rolling the dice on a guy who can be a huge distraction for the team. Could be wrong about that, though. DHB would have to change his number again…
July 4th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
YZ we’ve never been extremely dominant vs the run and you’re right it is due to the fact that we wan t to man up and cover. But we’ve been one of the most dominant defenses in the league before. I see that coming to past while we may have some stryggles vs the run we could hold teams to 15 pts per game yet and still.
Uh Oh! now we gone hear from Bauce’s soap box……..LOL
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Definitely. I think this defense is more than capable of holding their own. I think they’re always going to be prone to the big play because of the scheme. The name of the game is overcoming those big plays, and limiting them in key situations.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Happy Bday AL and Happy 4th of July, Raider Nation! Oh, post 66,land(mrs) stfu wishing ill on others goin come back around and BITE ya
July 4th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Not sure if he is FA or not, but the one receiver I would like to pick up is Sydney Rice. Not so sure about 85 but dude is harmless, and cracks me up.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Hey priest, no need to be bitter about another persons point of view just cause it does not go with your line of thinking. We cannot draft and develop a QB. It just does not happen in Oakland. I say, why waste a draft pick on it. Maybe in the late rounds, but in the early rounds, no way. Disagree if you like, but no need to be an ass.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I would take Sydney Rice over almost any of them, he is at the top of my wish list.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
YZ we’ve never been extremely dominant vs the run and you’re right it is due to the fact that we wan t to man up and cover. But we’ve been one of the most dominant defenses in the league before. I see that coming to past while we may have some stryggles vs the run we could hold teams to 15 pts per game yet and still.
Uh Oh! now we gone hear from Bauce’s soap box……..LOL
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Not into inning for real i suppose
July 4th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
If the Raiders want elite QB play and a guy who can lead the team for a decade or more, at some point they’re going to have to draft that guy. As much as “it’s a quarterback league!” is a terrible cliche, it’s true. In the NFL these days, there simply aren’t going to be a whole lot of established veteran franchise-caliber QBs just waiting around in free agency.
If the Raiders want to have talent at the QB position on the level of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Ryan, etc. they’re going to have to draft that guy.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Hey chump I wasn’t being an ass, what you said didn’t make sense. Just thought I’d make that clear but if it hurt your feelings. Next time put them away..
July 4th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
winning*
July 4th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
I would take either Rice or Holmes, but both of those guys are going to command huge contracts. If the Raiders signed one of them, it would mean either Miller or Bush would walk. It would also severely limit the amount of offseason moves they could make.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I would take Sydney Rice over almost any of them, he is at the top of my wish list.
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Why? For what? With what money? You know how much he gonna want?
July 4th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Would like to see Bryant play some more DE. Dude was a beast stepping at the end of last season.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
I would take either Rice or Holmes, but both of those guys are going to command huge contracts. If the Raiders signed one of them, it would mean either Miller or Bush would walk. It would also severely limit the amount of offseason moves they could make.
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Chad
July 4th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Would like to see Bryant play some more DE. Dude was a beast stepping at the end of last season.
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Way better plan I say. at UT it just aint happening
July 4th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Come on now Bauce we’ve won before with this same defense and we can do it again. It’s a matter of everyone doing their job……..period
July 4th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Yeah, I like Bryant at DE. A lot of sports writers have been saying how Houston is Seymour’s heir apparent, but I disagree. Houston is a different player. Bryant is the one whose skill set most matches Seymour’s. I’m looking forward to seeing what the kid can do in 2011.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Doesn’t matter how much he wants if you can get him. Talent always wins out and that kid can flat out ball. I’d much rather give him 40-50 $Mill and get a legit playmaker for the next 8 years.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
WE NNEEEDDD A NOOSSZZ TACCKLLLLE!!!….LOL
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Yeah dismiss the fact we get punked up the middle vs the run BHP. You gonna keep saying its all 11 guysBS….yawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn. Then why are certain guys playing in certain sports? Has to be for a reason right?
July 4th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
If we could get Rice for Bush I’d be OK with that one.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Doesn’t matter how much he wants if you can get him. Talent always wins out and that kid can flat out ball. I’d much rather give him 40-50 $Mill and get a legit playmaker for the next 8 years.
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Exactly why we aint gonna get him. We need a vet wr in his 30s. Sidney Rice imo does nada for this team
July 4th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
What does Nada??? You mean a legit 80+catch 1,000+ yard 10 td’s is NADA??
Is this discussion all about Chad or does any other rec. count??
July 4th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
If we could get Rice for Bush I’d be OK with that one.
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Me too.
I think Al is going to sit this one out though. He likely still thinks DHB can be his Sidney Rice, and DHB will have at least one (probably two) more seasons to prove whether or not he can be a #1, #2, or even #3 receiver.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
IMO, as long as Coach Davis is calling the D it will be tough to have a winning team…last time we had a winning team the O was playing at historic levels.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
And what has Rice done so far to get 40-50 million? BHP are you crazy? He had one very good season which was a luck season imo for the Vikings period.
Vikings played 11 games on turf that season….I’m skeptical of dude being all great like that
July 4th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Bring all of the in! TO, Ocho, Rice… hell, we only got one WR on the team, and he’s a smurf.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
What does Nada??? You mean a legit 80+catch 1,000+ yard 10 td’s is NADA??
Is this discussion all about Chad or does any other rec. count??
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One season with Favre and most on turf then messes up his hip? I’m not thinking he is what WE NEED as a vet presence
July 4th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Signing one player has zero to do with signing another unless tghey play the same position. Bring Bush back doesn’t preclude us signing Rice and why would it? This is the business we’re in either you want to win or not. I’ve never seen Mr Davis not get a player because he paid someone else IF he wants that player. It has NEVER happened…
July 4th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Bring all of the in! TO, Ocho, Rice… hell, we only got one WR on the team, and he’s a smurf.
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TO is 37 just had ACL surgery…he wont be 100 pct until 2013…..how does thathelp us?
Rice is a young guy or what have you but out of his four years only one was good and he is coming off a big time injury….plus he isnt a older vet that can read defenses to an exact extreme
July 4th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Lucky season do you know how many of those passes Farve threw up were up for grabs and that kid came down with them. No it’s just the opposite Farve takes chances he shoulsn’t and Rice MADE HIM LOOK GOOD……….period
July 4th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Sad thing is we are going with Chaz,DHB,Louis and Ford as the WR unit….no number 1 there. JC gonna pull something out his ass with these guys lol
July 4th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Syd Rice is as legit as they come he’s exactly what we need and getting him at this point in his career if he’s healthy would be a coup.
July 4th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Lucky season do you know how many of those passes Farve threw up were up for grabs and that kid came down with them. No it’s just the opposite Farve takes chances he shoulsn’t and Rice MADE HIM LOOK GOOD……….period
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I’m saying it was a lucky season for Minnesota in 2009. Yes he played good that year but followed up with major injury to his hip. That’s no joke. Pay him 40-50 mil for what? Look at the body of work
July 4th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Syd Rice is as legit as they come he’s exactly what we need and getting him at this point in his career if he’s healthy would be a coup.
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I dont see it BHP. He sure does make big plays and would be a good number 2 but his price tag is a hell no. Raiders need a guy that can gho over the middle in traffic that kind find the holes immediately. JC needs it more than anyone else
July 4th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
anyhow…..bout to jet…..yall stay solid
July 4th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
I’m not sure what the price tag would be I don’t necessarily concern myself with the money part as I do with the talent part. I just threw 40 out there but I could tell ya’ what he would cost. I just want him as a player IF he’s healthy.
These WQR’s we have are damn near past the vet enfluence phase they’ve been in the legaue 2-3 years already their vets themselves in reality. They need to show they can be relied upon is all.
July 4th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Bring Bush back doesn’t preclude us signing Rice and why would it?
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Salary cap.
July 4th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Enjoy your day and good health to all!!
Especially thinking of Mr Davis, we need to get you another ring…
July 4th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
YA,, I understand the salary cap, I still say it has never stopped him from doing what he wants to do. No On eknows what the cap will be why fans concern themselves with that crap is a mystery to me.
July 4th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
On NFLN they’re talking like the lockout is virtually over..
July 4th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Is Al really that bad? I mean the Buffalo Bills can laugh at us so long as they don’t look in their trophy case. Happy b-day Al!!!
July 4th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Happy Birthday to Al Davis, leader of the Raider Nation!
July 4th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Can’t say I’m a Davis fan after the last 7 seasons of losing and unnecessary drama but I’ll give him credit for his kind comments on Rozelle after his passing. Never thought I’d hear him say anything remotely positive about his longtime nemesis and yet he was extremely gracious and classy…
July 4th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
If anyone wants to see Taiwan Jones in action his championship game is on ESPNU @5:30pm
July 4th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
My bad TJ was lost for the rest of the year early in the year. He’s not in this game.
July 4th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
At least those who want to can watch Pat Devlin play.
July 4th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I watched Pat Devlin play in whatever All-Star game he played in and some of the practices he aired.
That guy has the weakest arm ever!!!!
No way Al would even take a look at a guy with that low-level of arm strength.
July 4th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Signing one player has zero to do with signing another unless tghey play the same position. Bring Bush back doesn’t preclude us signing Rice and why would it?
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Maybe true for Jerry Jones, but Al Davis admitted at his press-conference the reason he isn’t signing the “knucklehead” type guys, because he doesn’t have the resources anymore to be able to withstand a Javon Walker, Larry Brown or Jamarcus Russell.
The deck is loaded against Al, as long as he can only get 45K into the stadium on Sunday.
July 4th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
I mean Al Davis said that the option is to either sign Nnamdi, or turn that money into 2-3 other players.
It’s not like that means 2 or 3 other DB’s, it means 2-3 other holes in the team.
So OBVIOUSLY signing one player potentially precludes the Raiders from signing others.
July 4th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
feliz cumpleaños entrenador davis
July 4th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Happy Birthday Coach Davis…
let’s get this labor deal done,
and get our team working towards the 4th Lombardi trophy…Cheers!
July 4th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
We can throw a vet WR in the mix or not…
I am OK with the youngsters, in fact I expect
DMOORE to have a huge impact…
July 4th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
i would rather get rocky mcintish, gaither and clabo than chad johnson. if he can get released then we shall see. he does annoy the hell out of me but i could go either way on that issue. hey jfb the heffas is out 2day baby boy. ta tas is out and everythang. damn summer is so cool.
July 4th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
mcintosh is what i meant. im really excited about the udfa’s that are available. seems like there are some very good players that are familiar enuff for everyone to recognize. i put herzlich at the top of my list. we always seem to get atleast 1 dlineman a year so ian williams might be on the radar.
July 4th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
I’d love to see the Raiders add DE/DT Brandon Bair as a UDFA.
July 4th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
UDFA DT Ian Willians…
July 4th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
There those I like as UDFA’s like the WR from OSU that Gruden kept talking about in the Pryor interview, Zansenbacker or whatever. i watched the kid in several games as I was studying Pryor. I’m telling ya’ hee is soo much like Fred Biletnikof it’s scary. There many other Brandon Bair should’ve beeen drafted.
The reason big Al said what he said about Nnamdi was just smart negotiating. Big Al has never ever passed on a player he wanted because of money. If he does it’s because of another issue, and money is then considered. If he really wants Nnamdi he’ll find the money. As soon as this CBA is signed they release $4 bill in TV money. If they win 10 games this year the crowds will return…………period
July 4th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
not familiar with bair. where did he play?
July 4th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
I bet if we get off to a great start lie 3-1 or 4-1 they’ll start selling out. I gaurantee ya’.
July 4th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116984
July 4th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Oregon he was a DT there.. pretty good player.
July 4th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
155.priesttj Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
I bet if we get off to a great start lie 3-1 or 4-1 they’ll start selling out. I gaurantee ya’.
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Hope so man…
July 4th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Bair could be a solid rotational DT/DE. Probably a two-down player at most, but he’s a big athletic guy who could help seal the edge against the run.
July 4th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
OU had a small Dline if I’m not mistaken he was the biggest player on that line. He is very quick and strong but he’s not a natual DE he has a lot to do to be good at the next level at DE but if he can add 30 lbs. he can definitely play the 3tech maybe even at 290 so he could add 15-20 lbs. and play there. people look at his weight and assume he’s not strong but he is he’s football strong.
July 4th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Which came first, the chicken or the egg ?
Are the Raid WRs as bad as many think, or could they be hampered by a QB that refuses to throw downfield ?
Maybe a combination of both ?
I’m for bringing in a vet WR, even though I don’t think it’ll matter much.
At least that way JaJason will have one less excuse.
Bring in a WR, Al. If 85 is indeed released, he’d be a nice option.
But more importantly Al, bring in a QB. Whoever is playing WR, is going to need a QB that isn’t afraid of trying to get the ball to him.
Happy 82nd, Mr. Davis. Here’s to many more productive years. I know you’re going to turn this thing around.
Just win, baby !
July 4th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
DMOORE is going to outplay every WR not named JFORD…
Print that…
July 4th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Only comp DMOORE is going to have winning RON is TJONES, and that going to depend largely on how Coach Jackson uses TJONES…
July 4th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
If Moore could succeed with the absolute garbage he had throwing him the ball at TN, there’s no telling what his NFL upside might be.
Those YPC numbers simply jump off the chart. And that was accomplished without a decent QB.
Ford and Moore could turn out to be a duo of some of the best mid-range WR selections the NFL has seen.
Can’t wait for free agency signings, OTAs, camp, and the season to begin. I need some Raider football.
July 4th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
hey jfb the heffas is out 2day baby boy. ta tas is out and everythang. damn summer is so cool.
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Go make me proud!!!
July 4th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Happy Birthday Big Al!
What up Nation!
Terrell Pryor or Vince Young?
July 4th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Thec07 Can’t argue with that man, Moore is the real deal foreal. That kid should’ve been drafted higher than he was it’s a testament how some people look at stats and forget to view game film. This kids stats are no reflection on what he’s capable of. He might be as talented a pure WR as we have. When you consider all things he runs very clean routes and played ina prostyle offense and he made a ton of bigtime plays. He was their possession rec. and big play guy along with Gerald Jones. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he caught as many as 50 passes because that’s just how skilled he is.
July 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
I don’t want the crap that VY brings to the table, I love the kids playmaking ability but he’s very unstable. I think he’s bi-polar. I don’t think he’ll be content to sit if he can’t start. While Pryor wontg be content he’s more likely to take it better plua longterm I feel much more secure as a Raider fan with Pryor and I gaurantee you Pryor will have a better career he’s just a much better passer than VY ever was. VY just ran everytime he could.
July 4th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Man, first time visitor and I just wanted to say hi and how cool that we celebrate with fireworks and Al Davis birthday we get to see fireworks.
I have been doing a lot of thinking and Jason is going to be a good qb, and Al Davis does not need to go out and get anybody for next year because he has everybody he needs. No more cancers, no more bad draftees. Al Davis has got this team back on track. Now lets go celebrate Al Davis birthday and watch some fireworks.
If your on the east coast, I hope you had a good 4th of July and if your on the west coast like me, let the show begin.
July 4th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Ransom Stephens Says:
July 4th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
What would happen if The Raiders violated the walkout?
It would be a classic, “just Win” maneuver for Al to get his guys together, hold camp, and prepare for the season while the rest of the league betrays their narcissism.
And if the league comes down on him, can’t Al just pull a Shanahan on the b*st*rds?
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BEST POST EVER. Just unlock the doors Al and get to work. Screw’em all just like they been doin you. You got work to do. What can they do to you? Nothin. Now back to the fireworks.
July 5th, 2011 at 5:48 am
9 more days left, and players/owners both start loosing money. They will get something done. If they don’t Al is probably about the only owner who has the balls to pull something like that. Then maybe. Jerry Jones follows suit. That would be some crazy shizt to see Raiders and Cowgirls hold their own preseason.
July 5th, 2011 at 6:17 am
If Al unlocks the doors he would be violating federal anti-trust laws. Im not sure of the specifics but I read early on in the lockout that teams couldnt do their own thing for that reason.
July 5th, 2011 at 7:33 am
We are about to lose pre-season which I am sure some people thing no big deal….but the rookies need training camp and pre-season to get up to speed.
July 5th, 2011 at 7:45 am
Good morning fellas, i hope we all had a great holiday weekend and didn’t blow off any fingers!
If we go straight into a season with a rookie line you might as well chalk the season up as a flop. Pre season is critical for a young team like ours.
In other news, i see the retirees are trying to put a halt to the mediation sessions beacuse they’re not getting a fair cut. IMO that’s bs! They should just get a few health benefits if anything. You’re telling me you can’t live comfortable the rest of your life with the money they made? Retiring in your 40’s? LOL Go get a job and use those degrees like every other working citizen does and stop worrying about getting your cut!
July 5th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Losing preseason would be tragic. Certain competition battles for positions wont happen. Certain udfa’s who beforehand had better shot at making a team might not now
July 5th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Hey RaiderRockstar, another reason NOT to go for TO (besides the fact that at best he might be ready to play in mid-November)
A front office man points out that one of the reasons Terrell Owens will be moving on to his fourth team in four years this year is he doesn’t always run his route the way he is supposed to and he leaves a lot of gray area for the quarterback. Last year, he led the NFL in most interceptions as a targeted receiver with 12, according to Stats, Inc. What’s more, he has led the league in the category with 43 interceptions over the last five years. And another issue with T.O? He was third in the league in drops last year with 11.
July 5th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Bcz….an acl injury takes 2 years to fully heal. TO is 37, what makes ppl think he will do anything for the Raiders? Yes I been saying that for years about TO’s hands and his route running. People complained in SF about it. He hurts a team more than he helps
July 5th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Armond…..rocky mcintosh i’d take but clabo and ggaither hell naw. But none would provide the need Chad would at WR. Doubt we make a move for WR but chad is the best one for us
July 5th, 2011 at 8:17 am
TO is an injured 37 year old player that has never showed any interest in anything other than himself. When has he mentored a young WR?
On the other hand when has he been a distraction or caused problem within the locker room?
Not even worth a second thought if you ask me.
July 5th, 2011 at 8:24 am
666….everywhere he has gone he shows his ass. SF…..Philly….Dallas….Buffalo and Cincy. Its never his fault and he never take accountability when he fails. I at least seen Chad admit when he messes up or doesnt play well
July 5th, 2011 at 8:24 am
Chad is even worse of a prospect for us.
Again when has he ever shown any interest in being a mentor to younger guys? The guy is 100% out for himself and his ego.
He is not a good route runner which is why he and Palmer have issues.
He is a distraction and would not help us in any way!
Why would you even consider bringing a poor route runner with a huge ego to our team to show the young guys how to dance in the end zone?
Why are people so enamored with this below average WR who has issues with his coach and teammates?
July 5th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Bauce I like your posts and respect you as a fan but you cant be serious about Chad can you?
July 5th, 2011 at 8:34 am
I promise you that TO is a prime candidate for suicide within a few years. He clearly got deep issues ranging from his parents, grandmother, baby mothers, hanging out with obnoxious women, wearing gay wigs, wanting to model and act, declining football skills and worse nott taking care of his son in the Baay Area. Yes you heard me right….TO is a deadbeat dad with milllions of dollars. Soon he will find out that his career as an NFL guy is done. What is he gonna do? He lacks talent he just isnt entertainiing enough. When its all over TO will breakdown and give up
July 5th, 2011 at 8:39 am
Chad not a good route runner? Lol thats beyond faalse. Chad and Palmer have issues cuz Carson has sucked since he hurt his knee 5 years ago. Chad below average? Stop man. Our WRs have no swagger and aint tough enough to go over the middle. Chad is tho. Again this poor route runner stuff is not true
July 5th, 2011 at 8:41 am
I agree Chad has an ego but we need at least one guy with an ego for this team. This stand up all good guy team shhhht is lame. I need someone who goes a bit against the grain. The bully Hue wants to build for this team will need a hype man for it. Who better than Chad?
July 5th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Chad recognizes coverages and still demands a double team….that’s why TO had such good numbers last year. Raiders lack a WR who is a number 1. they lack swagger they lack balls
July 5th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Cincy is a loser ass franchise. Players hate that place. Notice hardly any old Bengals players come back. Any wonder as to why? I dont blame Chad for wanting out. He needs a new change of scenery bad. He been in cincy for 10 seasons and thats long enough. Oakland is perfect for Chad. We are on the rise and we have a big need for his type of services. Chad would enjoy living in Cali again
July 5th, 2011 at 8:55 am
G’morning fellas.
I’m still on the fence regarding bringing in a veteran WR. Last year, I thought it was a no brainer. I wanted TJ Housh, or even, gulp, TO. Thought he might be on his best behavior in a return to the Bay Area.
Now, I’m not so sure. Maybe these young WR’s finally step up. I just have a gut feeling DHB might actually show signs of life this year. Not bust out and become a superstar and validate his draft status, and make all his critics eat crow or anything like that.
But to actually look like a competent, professional receiver. 50-60 catches for 600-750 yards and 5 or 6 TD’s.
Even though he’s gone on national TV and proclaimed that he wants to be a Raider, I’m just not sure about Ocho. Not sure if his hearts still into football, or if he’s ready to move on and become a reality TV star.
One veteran WR to keep an eye on might be Roy Williams, if Dallas releases him. He’s been a big disapointment in Big D, but they did trade two 1’s for him. He might give JC a big bodied target, if Chaz can’t stay healthy.
Supposedly AD really liked Williams coming out of Texas. I read somewhere, that if he hadn’t drafted Gallery at no. 2 that year, and went WR it would’ve been Roy Williams and not Larry Fitzgerald. That’s kind of a scary thought. lol.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Buckeye….dhb sux and will get 40 rec 500 3 tds max this season….Roy Williams sucks man and Al woulda made a mistake. He literally does nada out of there for long stretches. He had one good season and that’s it.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Goethel will probably replace Groves. The Raiders wanted to do that last season before he got hurt.
I see Goethel getting that job he easily outplayed Groves on run D.
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Anybody in here remember me speaking highly of Travis Goethel last year when we drafted him?
It seems TJ & YA have finally jumped on board, anybody else?
July 5th, 2011 at 9:08 am
people can say what they want but any true raider fan knows there would be no raider nation without al davis. he may be old & stubborn but he still wants the same thing as day one> “just win baby”. he takes care of those around him & is very loyal to his raiders. a few bad decisions doesnt make a bad man… we will once again rise to greatness & the media will be on the bandwagon. they will go back to bashing teams with no winning history, no super bowls, no strong followers, & no al davis. ps.bring in pryor & let the athlete play some damn football. GO RAIDERS!
July 5th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Buckeye….as for Chad….u ever seen what the best cb in the NFL, Darrelle Revis, said about him? Yes his heart is still into football. He just happens to be way too entertaining and people wanna see this guy. He at backend of career I dont blame him. He is paid already but he wants to win now I believe
July 5th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Weather or not we the fans think we are set at WR or not is irrelevant because if AD thinks we have enough WR’s on the roster then we do.
We can argue all day long about getting an experienced WR on the team but it is my opinion that AD thinks he is set at that position and therefore we will see no new WR’s on our team.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Goethel is an unknown…..Groves stinks
July 5th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Bauce<——–not a fan
July 5th, 2011 at 9:14 am
666….thats what ive said lately since talking to a very credible source. I want a vet WR but it aint gonna happen. Its all becuz of whack ass DHB too and they believe in glass ass Schilens. I suspect us to be about 20th in passing because of it
July 5th, 2011 at 9:17 am
I don’t see the Raiders having a consistent run defense as long as the front four are all rushing the passer and the back seven are in man coverage.
The Raiders are just going to have to put up more points.
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excellent post by YA. Every year there are a handful of Raider fans who say something like “the Raiders don’t care about stopping the run” or “Al Davis likes pass rushers and corners. everybody else is just a role player”
YA doesn’t exactly state these things and I won’t pretend to twist his words to mean anything different, but I fidn it fascinating if the above comment holds true. And if the Raiders are hoping to win games IN SPITE OF the run defense, it makes my harping on the 23rd ranked pass offense even more of a concern.
Perhaps that is why all the ROMAC junkies praise him due to his pass defense awareness? I never knew Kirk Morrison was replaced due to his coverage ability, but there you have it. I do remember a play against Dungver where Marshall had Capt Kirk covering Brandon Marshall inside the 15 yard line (LOL) guess who won that battle? This also blows a whole in Jhill’s argument about the OLB’s being primarily responsible for covering RB’s & TE’s … doesn’t it?
July 5th, 2011 at 9:20 am
I really don’t care about 85’s off the field shenanigans. Don’t care about his TD celebrations or HOF jacket antics.
My main concern would be can he still produce ? At 32, there’s little doubt 85 is on the decline, but he might very well have 3 or 4 extremely productive seasons left if his legs hold up.
Yes, there’s some concern 85 might be a bad influence or a poor teammate, but since I’m not aware of him being noted as a bad locker room presence in Cincy – I think that’s an overblown concern.
If he’s released and it doesn’t cost the Raids anything in return to pick him up, I say why not ?
Honestly, WR wouldn’t be one of my top priorities. I think QB and OL depth are far more pressing needs. But if 85 comes at no expense besides salary, the only reason not to bring him aboard would be having to cut a good young player in order to make room for him.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:23 am
RRS,
I liked what I saw of Goethel in preseason. I think it was against the Bears where he flashed surprising speed to the sideline. He’s supposed to be such a limited athlete. Looked like he had enough functional speed to me.
In fact, when a lot of people were hoping Oakland would draft Casey Mathews, I almost posted Goethel and Casey’s Draft previews back to back. Sound like damn near the same player to me. Tough, instinctive players that coaches will love…all the intangibles, except with limited atleticism, speed and range.
I was gonna say we already have Casey Mathews on the roster, just without the hair, the last name and lineage.
Wouldn’t surprise me to see Travis beat out Groves at OLB one bit.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Isn’t Goethel much bigger than Casey Mathews ?
July 5th, 2011 at 9:26 am
DMOORE is going to outplay every WR not named JFORD…
Print that
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another outlandish prediction by Thec!
He said that Jacoby Ford would have a bigger impact than any other rookie last year (McClain, Houston, Veldheer) and fellow bloggers just laughed at him, like he was crazy … but HE WAS RIGHT!!!
I’m not completely sold on Moore, but if he receives a vote of confidence from semi-pro Thec, that can only be seen as a good thing imo
July 5th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Isn’t Goethel much bigger than Casey Mathews ?
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Goethel = 6′2″ 240 lbs
Casey M = 6′1″ 232 lbs
July 5th, 2011 at 9:29 am
How much more pts do the raiders need to put up? LOL they average 26 pts a game. And yes in coverage the WLB covers rbs/fbs more while SLB will cover theTE at times. Yall know the main issue with the run D….and its not the LBs
July 5th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Ninerwoman49…..chad would bring even more life to our lockerroom and Hue would love to have him here. He runs very good routes and have automatic hands. Our young wrs not there yet
July 5th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Tough, instinctive players that coaches will love…all the intangibles, except with limited atleticism, speed and range.
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Buckeye,
that’s what I’m talking about. TG is a downhill player. He’s a MLB at heart, but if Oakland doesn’t give him a shot there … WLB would do
I say that to say this, TG should not be out there covering RB’s & TE’s. Thats putting him in a position to fail. Groves is much better in that role. McClain & Wimbley too
Goethel is a guy that sees a ballcarrier behind the LOS and trashes him for a loss (like Lattimer from that movie “The Program”)
Q Groves has my full support as well. He got much better as the season progressed. Watch WK17 against the Chiefs and tell me Groves shouldn’t get another crack at it. Dude was playing like a man possessed
July 5th, 2011 at 9:36 am
I’m not entirely sold on Goethel in coverage, but he’s a high-motor guy who I think is going to make a significant leap if healthy in his second season.
I was stumping for the Raiders to draft him in the 6th round prior to last season. I think he also has the skills to move to MLB if necessary. If RoMac gets injured, the Raiders shouldn’t have to rely on Ricky Brown.
Groves started playing better towards the end of the season, but there’s a chance he has reached his ceiling. Still, that was his first full season playing linebacker so who knows. Regardless, I like Groves as a role player.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:37 am
D-Moore we shall see. Yeah Thec got Ford right last year but I doubt he gets this one right unless major injuries happen to the other guys. He is 6th on the depth chart right now
July 5th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Yall know the main issue with the run D….and its not the LBs
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BAUCE,
Raider fans hate to admit that Seymour & Kelly both take plays off. They see Seymour on the Pro Bowl roster and Kelly racking up 7 sacks on the season stats chart and start pointing the finger at the WLB Groves. Funny, the year before it was the MLB Morrison.
At some point, the D-Line has to assume responsibility
1 player can’t stop the run by himself. It takes 11 guys
Just like Nnamdi Asomugha alone couldn’t prevent the Raiders secondary from giving up 29 TD passes last year
July 5th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Now that I think about it, I believe it was vs Frisco in preseason where Goethel looked much more comfortable playing out in space, than I would’ve believed from reading his draft reports.
As far as Casey Mathews’ more heralded Cousin, Clay Jr. Vegas was worried about us being able to block him. lol.Has anybody been able to block him? I have my suspicions about that guy. Something is rotten in the state of Denmar….Wisconsin.
Might be reckless to accuse somebody of something without any proof, but I can’t help it. Does anybody else feel this guy might not be all natural?
This guy couldn’t get a scholarship to USC, where his father and uncle are legends. He has to make it as a 205 lb. walk-on.
A couple of years later, and he’s an unblockable 265 lb wrecking ball. I just get the sneaking suspicion, he might have the same “over-training” condition that got his former teammate Brian Cushing suspended for four games. He’s just smart enough to not get caught yet. He just seems like another Merroidman to me. Might not be fair, but it’s just my opinion.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Groves sucks
July 5th, 2011 at 9:44 am
excellent post by YA. Every year there are a handful of Raider fans who say something like “the Raiders don’t care about stopping the run” or “Al Davis likes pass rushers and corners. everybody else is just a role player”
YA doesn’t exactly state these things and I won’t pretend to twist his words to mean anything different, but I fidn it fascinating if the above comment holds true. And if the Raiders are hoping to win games IN SPITE OF the run defense, it makes my harping on the 23rd ranked pass offense even more of a concern.
Perhaps that is why all the ROMAC junkies praise him due to his pass defense awareness? I never knew Kirk Morrison was replaced due to his coverage ability, but there you have it. I do remember a play against Dungver where Marshall had Capt Kirk covering Brandon Marshall inside the 15 yard line (LOL) guess who won that battle? This also blows a whole in Jhill’s argument about the OLB’s being primarily responsible for covering RB’s & TE’s … doesn’t it?
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Personally, I’d like to see the Raiders start to use RoMac to spy the QB or RB a little more. He’s a solid tackler, so keep him close to the LOS so he can make a stop BEFORE the opposing offense gets a first down. And that way he’s still in position to defend the pass over the middle.
The biggest problem with the scheme is that if the defensive linemen are all trying to shed their blockers and get to the ball carrier, there’s usually a guard or tackle running free to take on the Raider linebackers. RoMac, Wimbley, Groves and Goethel all need to improve at shedding offensive linemen if the defense is going to take the next step.
Defensive line has to play with more discipline, too. They were great at getting after the QB last season, but they need to not overpursue the ballcarrier on running plays.
In a defensive scheme where you’re relying on every player to win a one-on-one matchup, every guy has to do his job on every down. If someone misses their assignment, there’s a good chance a big play is going to result.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:46 am
At some point, the D-Line has to assume responsibility
1 player can’t stop the run by himself. It takes 11 guys
Just like Nnamdi Asomugha alone couldn’t prevent the Raiders secondary from giving up 29 TD passes last year
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Precisely.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:47 am
DMOORE is going to outplay every WR not named JFORD…
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Bauce,
Thec is clearly pointing out Murphy, DHB, Schilens & Nmiller here
last season’s stats:
Murphy – 41 catches, 609 yards & 2 TD’s
DHB – 26 catches, 366 yards & 1 TD
Chaz – 5 catches, 40 yards & 1 TD
Lil Nicky – 3 catches, 40 yards & 0 TD’s
not like Moore would have to post Pro Bowl or even ROY #’s to accomplish Thec’s prediction
July 5th, 2011 at 9:52 am
RRS…..no what they dont wanna admit is Seymour and Kelly cant beat the double team enough when an offense runs the ball. Its beyond obvious. They have yet to rebutt the fact that theyre run rate success vs the run isnt good enough
July 5th, 2011 at 9:54 am
In a defensive scheme where you’re relying on every player to win a one-on-one matchup, every guy has to do his job on every down. If someone misses their assignment, there’s a good chance a big play is going to result.
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Precisely.
I think that is why the 2006 O-Line was epicly terrible and when Cable came in 2007 the first thing he did was install the ZBS that requires guys to work as a team and rely on eachother. It’s also RB friendly
I wonder what Chuck B could do to disguise the atrocious Run D? It’s been a hemorrhoid for Al Davis the past 8 years
July 5th, 2011 at 9:54 am
YA you making excuses again. Kelly is a reserve UT and Seymour is a LDE/UT…..see the problem
July 5th, 2011 at 9:56 am
RRS….highly doubt he does outplay Murphy….DHB? Possibly but Al gonna play that bust alot. Chaz will have 6 decent games lol
July 5th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Seymour and Kelly cant beat the double team enough when an offense runs the ball. Its beyond obvious
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Bauce,
I’m not so sure about this. Seymour & Kelly look dominant in some games and invisible in others
it’s consistancy imo. If these guys are gassed from rushing the passer every down, maybe they should give up some more reps to Henderson & Bryant?
I don’t think it’s a talent issue. I don’t even blame it on the scheme. If these guys gave it thier all and played till the whistle all game every game I think we could be great. Do I see that happening in 2011?
Sadly, no.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:59 am
RRS….chuck B run defenses were never atrocious….and he always had big plugging DT/NT starting…..go figure
July 5th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Seymour and Kelly look dominant vs the pass not the run
July 5th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Kelly and Seymour go backwards alot and allow interior lineman to get to 2nd level of defense
July 5th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 9:54 am
YA you making excuses again. Kelly is a reserve UT and Seymour is a LDE/UT…..see the problem
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That’s exactly what I’m saying the problem is.
Again, that’s what the scheme calls for. It calls for two interior linemen whose primary role is to disrupt the passer on every play. Kelly is a good pass-rusher (when Seymour is next to him), but that’s about it. Richard Seymour does what is asked of him, but that usually results in drawing a double-team and leaves him out of position in the running game.
It would be great if the Raiders got themselves a run-stopping specialist to play next to Seymour for a couple downs (personally, I’d like to see what Houston could do here), but DUE TO THE SCHEME a player like that would only be a rotational player. Al and Mike Waufle want their starters to get after the QB, so those are the kind of players they put on the line.
Seymour is a good player, but he’s not going to beat a double-team on every down. He can’t make the difference in the running game on his own. Every player needs to be more disciplined and improve at shedding blockers. That’s the only way the Raiders are going to be consistent against the run as long as they’re expected to play defense this way.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Watch Henderson play the run then watch Seymour and Kelly…..its plainly obvious to see Hendu plays he fundamentally plays the run perfectly. He holds up at POA and clogs middle even with two men on him. seymour and Kelly just try to shoot the gap. do youu understand how that leaves your team out to dry?
July 5th, 2011 at 10:08 am
I don’t think it’s a talent issue. I don’t even blame it on the scheme. If these guys gave it thier all and played till the whistle all game every game I think we could be great. Do I see that happening in 2011?
Sadly, no.
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Agreed. I don’t think team is going to be a playoff-caliber team next season.
2012? Maybe. They need a big-time playmaker on offense (behind center, preferably) and consistent play on defense.
On the defensive side, part of that is the young guys maturing. Part of that is finding another piece or two (perhaps moving Houston inside to play next to Seymour and drafting a big-time does-it-all DE to take that extra DE spot – finding a true single-deep FS will also help… not sure if that guy is already on the roster or not). Another part of that is making some schematic adjustments to limit big plays… but I’m not sure to what extent that will happen.
The big plays were still a problem in Bresnahan’s last tour as DC, but the team was able to overcome that. Those defenses gave up their fair share of points, but they always kept it within reach. That’s what this team needs to learn to do.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Houston is 305 lbs and is the same player as Seymour….a LDE/UT….not a NT/DT run stuffer
July 5th, 2011 at 10:09 am
The Raiders defense does give up way too many big plays. At least once a game they give up the huge run. Despite being the no. 2 ranked pass D, they give up too many TD’s…even with Nnamdi giving up none.
I like this defense, though. They are very young, fast and aggressive. However, with youth comes youthful mistakes. They blow a lot of gap assignments in Run D. In the secondary they make too many assingnment errors. Blown coverages with the safety and CB looking at each other with arms raised to the side like WTF? Happens way too often.
Look at the really good defenses in the league though. Pittsburgh. They have like six starters over 30. Plus they’ve played in that LeBeau zone blitz system together forever. Same with Baltimore. Ray Lewis, Suggs and Ed Reed know each other like the back of their hand.
As opposed to the Steelers, Oakland has one defender over 30. Seymour, and his veteran leadership has been invaluable. The Raiders D consists mainly of youngsters…rookies and 2nd and 3rd year players like RoMac, Shonasty, Houston and Branch, and MM34.
They make too amy mistakes and have their learning curve to go through and growing pains…but if they can grow together and gel, this defense can be pretty damn good in the next year or two, IMO.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:15 am
YA i totally disagree……Bresnahan’s d gave up a few big plays but not like these last years….not even close…draft a DE to replace Houston and have him move to NT? lol. A LDE isnt an all world player generally….a RDE we need more. What schematic adjustments gonna help if you got a bad start dt combo vs the run?
July 5th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Grady Jackson-Sam Adams-John Parella…….were they great pass rushers? Exactly….and u wonder about last time we were good vs the run lol
July 5th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Houston is 305 lbs and is the same player as Seymour….a LDE/UT….not a NT/DT run stuffer
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Again… the Raiders don’t use a true NT/DT type player unless it’s in specific situations. This is part of the problem.
Houston, however, is one of the better players against the run on the Raiders. He brings 100% of his effort on every down. If the Raiders are intent on playing defense like this, that’s the kind of player they need on the inside.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am
YA i totally disagree……Bresnahan’s d gave up a few big plays but not like these last years….not even close…draft a DE to replace Houston and have him move to NT? lol. A LDE isnt an all world player generally….a RDE we need more. What schematic adjustments gonna help if you got a bad start dt combo vs the run?
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No, the Raiders won’t be moving him to NT. They don’t use a true NT. They’d be moving him into Kelly’s role.
The bad DT combo v.s. the run is a RESULT of the scheme.
The Raiders sure could use a guy like Justin Tuck at LDE. Good pass-rusher, solid against the run. A guy like that is what Mike Waufle looks for. That’s why his Giants defensive fronts were so successful against the run – well, that an the fact that the linebackers could blitz and play zone behind them.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Lol we been running same 4-3 defense as we have for years now……chester mcglockton, grady jackson, sam adams and john parella all played in the same scheme we use today so you gonna have to find another excuse.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:32 am
That’s a lie that our scheme doesnt use a NT…..heard Cable last summer? Yeah Im sure you did….thanks for playing
July 5th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Kelly should be demoted or cut I say. Seymour is better suited to be UT and Big John can take on the double teams. Makes our defense better
July 5th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Lol we been running same 4-3 defense as we have for years now……chester mcglockton, grady jackson, sam adams and john parella all played in the same scheme we use today so you gonna have to find another excuse.
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The Raiders have a player like those guys in John Henderson, and they rotate him in. They opt to let Tommy Kelly start, who is a known liability against the run but is a decent enough pass-rusher with Richard Seymour next to him.
I want to see a solid run-stopping DT as much as you do. But for now the Raiders are content to start UT-types next to a 3-tech guy like Seymour. That’s the reality. If that’s going to be the case, then Seymour, Kelly, and the rest of the defense all need to improve to stop the run consistently. Block shedding and gap discipline are essential – and in both these categories I like Houston and Henderson more than Kelly.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Justin Tuck benefits from having Osi on the blindside….best believe that
July 5th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Best thing is to be smart and demote Kelly or cut his ass….or next month Kelly needs a high ankle sprain so the obvious can be seen
July 5th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Tuck is as good of an LDE as you’ll find in the game.
I wouldn’t exactly mind seeing the Raiders trade Kelly to a UT-needy team while his value is high. It would give the Raiders some salary cap relief too.
The Bears would make some sense as a trade partner. This is unlikely, though. His contract his huge and Al Davis is finally seeing a return on his investment.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:46 am
The Raiders D is what it is. The front four go hard upfield. They are very aggressive. That is how they were 2nd in the league in sacks despite not much help from Blitzes. They also make a lot of tackles against the run in the backfield, for negative yardage and no gain. I’d like to see their stats for TFL. It’s probably pretty impressive.
They don’t employ a wide body in the middle to eat up blockers and keep the MLB clean. it’s all about quick penetration and disruption. The Warren Sapp style of football…tackle the RB on the way to the QB.
Since they are so aggressive and get upfield, they are susceptible to some cut-back runs, and occasionally a back breaks through. Compounding the problem, is last year they had three new starters at linebacker, including a rookie in the middle.
I love McClain, but he made his fair share of mistakes. He was awful vs Houston and got singled out for criticsm vs Indy as well for taking the wrong gap, etc.
Finally, we have the secondary.We all know they are going to be in man coverage 90% of the time. Running with their backs to LOS. That’s how 10 yard runs get turned into 50 vs Oakland.
How many times have they held a RB in check. 60 yards in his first 20 carries. Then his 21st goes for 65. Now he has 21 for 125, when he hadn’t done squat all day. Jammal Charles did it for KC in the finale.
I actually think their short yardage/Goalline D is pretty stout. Watch the 1st KC game. There must have been 5 or 6 time the Chefs were in 3rd and 3 or less, and couldn’t pick it up. Oaklands D stoned their azz.
I don’t know if they’ll ever be a top 5 run D in this scheme. But with some improved play by the LB corps, they can move up into middle of the pack. That might be good enough if Hues O keeps scoring points.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Let’s give some extreme examples of 4-3 NT/DT in the last decade shall I?……Pat Williams of vikings….Kris Jenkins of Panthers….Shaun Rogers in Detroit…Sam Adams of Ravens…Albert Haynesworth in Tenn….John Henderson in Jax…..yeah exactly
July 5th, 2011 at 10:48 am
The beat goes on…the beat goes on…..the beat goes onnnnnnnnn oooooh!
July 5th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Yeah Bears can have that loser Kelly….im sick of seeing him vs the run
July 5th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 10:32 am
That’s a lie that our scheme doesnt use a NT…..heard Cable last summer? Yeah Im sure you did….thanks for playing
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3-4 NT and 4-3 NT have very different responsibilities. Especially in a system like Mike Waufle’s, where even the guy playing the nose is expected to penetrate the pocket.
Different DCs and line coaches use their DTs in different ways. Guys like Waufle, Jim Washburn, Wade Phillips, and others may not necessarily as the guy playing the nose to be a gap-eating run stuffer all the time.
In a scheme that relies on natural four-man pressure like Al’s, more times than not he’s going to be asking guys like Kelly and Seymour to get after the passer.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:52 am
What good are the sacks when we have no pro bowl type DE coming from blindside? Havent had a rDE have ten plus sacks since Lance Johnstone in 2000 lol
July 5th, 2011 at 10:53 am
System like Waufle’s? lol what system is that exactly? He is a DC? lol
July 5th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 10:52 am
What good are the sacks when we have no pro bowl type DE coming from blindside? Havent had a rDE have ten plus sacks since Lance Johnstone in 2000 lol
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Hopefully we’ve seen the end of Shaughnessy splitting snaps with Trevor Scott.
I had Shaughnessy pegged for a 10-sack season last season before Marshall and Cable made the nonsense move to have Trevor Scott eating up snaps, particularly on first and second down, when Shaughnessy is clearly the better all-around player.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Yeah natural four man rush and a natural disaster vs the run….so smart and people defeend this schit lol
July 5th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Best NT in the game, perhaps an all-timer: Casey Hampton.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Al loves Trevor so you will continue to see him on the edges…..but 2011 he wont be 100 pct. I like Matt(jhill’s call) but we need him to have 10 sacks or more this year
July 5th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Wasnt Trevor Scott a LB? got to stop doing the frankenstein thing with e OLBs.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 10:53 am
System like Waufle’s? lol what system is that exactly? He is a DC? lol
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Waufle generally utilizes smaller, more athletic guys to penetrate the pocket. With the Giants, his guys were Osi, Strahan, Jay Alford, Barry Cofield and Justin Tuck. On passing downs, 270-pound Justin Tuck would slide inside and play DT.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Hampton is 3-4 NT…..4-3 NT he aint
July 5th, 2011 at 11:02 am
So when Waufle was here before did he utilize smaller lineman? lol
July 5th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Yeah natural four man rush and a natural disaster vs the run….
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That’s what I’ve been saying, man. If it’s going to be the same starting front four as last season (which it will be), then the players are just going to have to improve to the point of overachieving. They’re going to have to be supermen out there if the Raiders are going to be consistent against the run with the pieces they have in place.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 11:02 am
So when Waufle was here before did he utilize smaller lineman? lol
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When Waufle was here before he got the pieces Al gave him. Just like he’s doing now.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Shaughnessy 6′5 265….Seymour 6′6 310….Kelly 6′6 315….Lamarr Houston 6′3 305….Henderson 6′7 340…..Desmond Bryant 6′5 290……how small are they now?
July 5th, 2011 at 11:06 am
small d linemen and DBs going man 2 man, recipe for long runs. every year.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:07 am
But YA i thought his scheme was for smaller linemen lol
July 5th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Henderson aint got much left. gets hurt too much. we need a 6´1 330 DT.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Not having proper players on field is why you get big runs so much
July 5th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Bauce,
I like Big John Henderson. I just think at this point, with his age and health, he’s best used in a line rotation as a goalline/short yardage specialist.
If he plays too many snaps, it gets to the point of diminishing returns. He just wears down. He can still be very valuable to the Raiders. He’s still a big, strong dude who can hold his ground, and even command double teams. Just as long as he’s not asked to play too many snaps. No way is he still a starter, IMO.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Not having proper players on field is why you get big runs so much
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what do you mean?
July 5th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Macho man….last year was first year he ever missed that much time and it was a fluke injury after he played masterfully vs steven jackson of the rams. you realize seymour been more injured and has more wear and tear right?
July 5th, 2011 at 11:12 am
I’ve seen Kelly and Seymour listed at 300.
It has less to do with the size of the players than it does their style of play and what they’re asked to do.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Seymour must not have much left then lol
July 5th, 2011 at 11:14 am
6′1 330 to play run stuffer? Hahahahahahahaha never will Al do that
July 5th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 11:07 am
But YA i thought his scheme was for smaller linemen lol
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It is. See his roster in New York.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Why all the love for Henderson? the run D ranked 29th. something needs to change. Al’s scheme will not. so change the players.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:17 am
I sure saw John Henderson start and play well last year lol….he been way more durable than you guys know. Obviously you guys didnt watch him in jax……NO YOU DIDNT…..otherwise you wouldnt say the health thing
July 5th, 2011 at 11:18 am
YA…..do you know who Tom Coughlin is? How about their DC?
July 5th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Jerry Ball: 6-1 330. Al would.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Macho…quite easy because John Henderson run stoppage rate was 90 pct…..most big ruuuns happpened when John wasnt in the game. Im at the games specifically watching for it too.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Lol Jerry Ball lasted exactly how long? And he played next to Chester who was out NT….thanks
July 5th, 2011 at 11:22 am
So why the hell dont they play Henderson 100% of the time? You are there, the coaches are there, cmon let them know the 90% stat you lathered up. Ranked 29th vs the run.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Whether TK is 300 or 315, it doesn’t change the fact that he’s a UT whose strength is definitely not run defense. But the Raiders want two pass-rushing DTs, so that’s what they have.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:22 am
When Henderson filled in for an injured Seymour vs the Colts, the results were not good. They were unable to generate any pressure up the middle vs Manning when they needed it most.
The Run D might’ve had their worst showing of the year. Nah, Houston debacle was much worse. Still, they got gashed by Dominic Rhodes.
Not that it was all on Big John. Without Seymour in there to draw all the attention..Tommy Kelly was a complete non-factor.
It wasn’t a very impressive performance overall. Although, they wouldn’t be the first defense that Peyton and the Colts made look pretty mediocre.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Lol Casey Anthony gets off of murdering her daughter so she can party and have sex all night long
July 5th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Buckeye….we played one LB the entire game lol vs colts….and bryant got alot of snaps at DT that day too….I like how you haters point to Colts game…how bout Rams game? Chiefs game following up next week after Colts? Bang bang I shot you down
July 5th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 11:18 am
YA…..do you know who Tom Coughlin is? How about their DC?
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Yes. It doesn’t change the fact that different line coaches coach up their lines in different ways. That’s why a guy like Jim Washburn can get a 12-sack season out of Jason Babin.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Macho….Al being stubborn is why. He doesnt wanna concede some things until theyre too late. Thats a minus to his style
July 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am
LMAO at Casey Anthony.
Cost the county 300K in courst costs, and they got her for only providing false information.
Our court system is a wreck.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Dline coaches job is to get players to play conducively to DC’s scheme
July 5th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Dominic Rhodes played with a chip that day….i dontt blame him….justice was served! Farglass ever getting snaps over Rhodes is a joke! We were better off keeeping Rhodes than Farglass
July 5th, 2011 at 11:34 am
And how did we miss Seymour vs Colts? He hadnt done shhhht since week 9. End half of year that guy was hurt and invisible….Gimme a break
July 5th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Why is this blog afraid to win? Are yall so battered like abused wives until you dont think you can do better? I truly believe most on this blog dont wanna do what’s necessary to win. 8-8 made u happy but it pissed me off
July 5th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Obviously you guys didnt watch him in jax……NO YOU DIDNT…..otherwise you wouldnt say the health thing
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I did, and he was in the game on just about all the big runs.
The problem in the Jax game was the edge. They would bounce it outside……and our DE’s and OLB’s were getting wiped out by TE’s and FB’s.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Bauce,
How the hell am I a hater? lol. I like John Henderson, and was glad when they signed him. I said I think he can still be an important and valuable member of the d-line rotation. Just in a limited number of snaps is all. I don’t think he’s a starter anymore.
The fact of the matter is when he was cut by Jax, he was on the open market for a long time. Seems like the only other team to even kick his tires was KC. Might’ve been one or two others. Other teams weren’t clamoring for his services, and at one point in time he was one of the dominant D tackles in the league.
So, it seems to me that the concensus around the league is that there might not be a whole lot of tread left on those tires.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:40 am
If no trades or free agents are signed….our dline starting unit should be SHAUGHNESSY-HENDERSON-SEYMOUR-HOUSTON………it gives you the best chance in yyour base defense at stoping the run and rushing the passer
July 5th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Vegas….that’s a lie….a big time blatant lie….Seymour and Kelly got majority of snaps that day in Jax……and when I was referring Hendu in jax im talking about his career and this lie that he gets hurt too much
July 5th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Jax went for future cuz that whole defense had left except Mathis thats why he was released. Exactly how long was Hendu on open market? Lol i’d love to know did we sign him right before Camp?
July 5th, 2011 at 11:48 am
You say Hendu isnt a starter anymore….well Kelly never been a fkin starter!
July 5th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Hendu took the vet min on a 1-year contract, IN OAKLAND.
Yeah, there was a real market for the guy, lol.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:54 am
chuck B run defenses were never atrocious….and he always had big plugging DT/NT starting…..go figure
Grady Jackson-Sam Adams-John Parella…….were they great pass rushers?
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BAUCE is on his game today. Chuck B was DC from 2000 to 2003.
thats Jackson in ‘00 & ‘01
thats Adams in ‘02 (with Parrella next to him)
thats Parrella in ‘03 (with Rod Coleman as the UT)
the guys we’ve had since?
36 year old Ted Washington
Terdell Sands
Gerard Warren
DE turned UT turned NT undrafted Tommy Kelly
yeah, Dakota was way off base asking us to draft B.J. Raji! Now that guy is a Super Bowl champ and he’s on the NFL’s Top 100 players list
July 5th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Chuck B’s last tenure in Oakland:
2000 – 5th best run defense. 25th vs pass
2001 – 22nd run defense. 9th vs pass
2002 – 3rd best run defense. 23rd vs pass
2003 – 32nd (dead last) run defense. 22nd vs pass
FIRED !!!
July 5th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Some of you people would rather suck on Al’s diapers than win.
July 5th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Chuck B’s DC stint with Cincy:
2005 – 20th run defense. 26th vs pass
2006 – 15th run defense. 31st vs pass
2007 – 21st run defense. 26th vs pass
FIRED !!!
July 5th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Why is this blog afraid to win? Are yall so battered like abused wives until you dont think you can do better? I truly believe most on this blog dont wanna do what’s necessary to win. 8-8 made u happy but it pissed me off
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Agreed, Some of you people would rather suck on Al’s diapers all day than win.
July 5th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Chuck B never impressed me the first time.
He needs the D-line and Wauffle to bail him out.
July 5th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Chuck B needs a high-scoring passing offense to bail him out, like years past.
July 5th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
KK why the sudden fascination with diapers…are your full?
July 5th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Yeah and Vegas last year he was head and shoulders above Kelly and Seymour as a run stuffer
July 5th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
KK why the sudden fascination with diapers…are your full?
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You’d be the first to know, troll.
July 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Raji for us woulda did nada. Al not ever drafting a short 4-3 NT that high guys. 3-4 dl is what he is
July 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Aw the Kellmeister is here lol….how was the holiday weekend bruh?
July 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Chuck B never impressed me the first time.
He needs the D-line and Wauffle to bail him out.
Chuck B needs a high-scoring passing offense to bail him out, like years past.
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JFB,
I think teams are going to pass more against us with Huff & Asomugha out of the picture. That means the run defense will improve and the pass defense will decline.
I predict something like 22nd run defense. 9th vs pass
(like Chuck did for Chucky in ‘01) then all of the McClain fans will brag about how ROMAC improved the Run D seven spots, even though we finished 6-10, lol
July 5th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Chuck B didnt have to impress you Vegas….but his defenses clearly didnt suck vs run in Oakland
July 5th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Huff and Nnamdi are soft….screw em both
July 5th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
So RRS…..u are stating right now we are going 6-10?
July 5th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Raji for us woulda did nada. Al not ever drafting a short 4-3 NT that high guys. 3-4 dl is what he is
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BAUCE,
3-4 NT’s are asked to do much more than 4-3 NT’s. If guys like Raji, Gregg & Hampton can hold thier own in a 3 man line, i’m sure they could do it in a 4 man line
That’s why I thought the Raiders should have made a play for Jamal Williams (SD to Dungver 3-4), Maake Kemoeatu (Panthers to Skins 3-4) or Howard Green (Jets to Packers 3-4)in free agency last year.
July 5th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
The RoBeast<—–way better than Kirk who is really a WLB
July 5th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
his defenses clearly didnt suck vs run in Oakland
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Bauce,
I posted them above. He had a Top 5 run defense twice and a bottom 10 run defense twice (dead last in ‘03!).
sort of a mixed bag
July 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Haha those guys in 4-3 would do nada
July 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Mixed bag or a bag of schit RRS?……03 was bad cuz team quit so he doesnt get blame on that. 01 they dippped a bit but when heat was on they could stop people
July 5th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
we are going 6-10?
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Bauce, it doesn’t look good imo
yet another HC change. add to that a new OC & DC
4 new O-Line starters.
DHB, Murphy, Ford & Schilens return as your Top 4 WR’s
JCamp doesn’t have a decent backup QB. Boller? ick!
the run defense stinks and we’ll have the same starting unit.
the pass defense was pretty good thanks to #21 & #24. Can’t image it getting any better without them
the 2011 Oakland Raiders are basically hanging thier hat on 1 thing for each side of the ball.
Offense – run the ball and hope DMAC stays healthy. hope you can get Bush under contract. hope Reece can be retained and improve blacking skills
Defense – rush the passer. hope the opposing QB having to survey the entire field gives us more time to get to him. better opportunity for turnovers
8-8 or worse is my official prediction
July 5th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
So Kell…any remarks on those links I put out for ya?
July 5th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
03 was bad cuz team quit so he doesnt get blame on that. 01 they dippped a bit but when heat was on they could stop people
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Excuses.
Chuck B isn’t the savior!
He was in the UFL for a reason …
July 5th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
those guys in 4-3 would do nada
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You’re blaming the Run D solely on the DT’s, right?
They’d do worse than 29th against the run?
Fine – I’ll take Fat Albert anyways
July 5th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
I share some of your concerns but not all. Cable was a fkin loser who was just happy to be head coach. The DC was a 49er b-tch who still got gashed…….our OC from last year still calling plays and new guy has wealth of knowledge. Fk Numbdi and Bluff…both of them aint schit
July 5th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
RRS I dont think they would give us that much of an upgrade plus Al not drafting a short 4-3 NT at all. I dont blame him
July 5th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Who said Chuck B was a savior? Lol i never did and im still pissed about sticks formation not being used vs ravens
July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
All I said is last time our run D was worth a damn was with Chuck B and he had fat asses in the middle
July 5th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Kell got another link talking about how bad the reps are and what great things the dems are accomplishing?
July 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
want to hear a funny fact:
On April 24th 2004 the San Diego Chargers had Drew Brees, Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers.
Notice the two QB’s they traded away have won Super Bowls and the one they kept has NOT!
They praise AJ Smith so much on ESPN and NFLN but I laugh at his failure!
July 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
302.Bauce Rules Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Raji for us woulda did nada. Al not ever drafting a short 4-3 NT that high guys. 3-4 dl is what he is
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Lol. What are you saying, that the Old Creeper drafts with insightful precision? Never drafting, uh, for example, speedy WRs or CBs who lack substantial production stats?
You guys are too much. Blog away, and while you’re at it get used to no more SB appearances while the Old Creeper is still around.
And, btw, there’s many of us out here who are in Dan Land’s corner. Gotta get rid of the owner to save the team. Screw your misguided loyalty.
July 5th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
And there are many of us who would like to see Dan Land and Ohioraider commit suicide
July 5th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Bauce……why did it get so quiet in here did you fart?
July 5th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
We’ve completed to-do lists for the Chiefs, Broncos, and Chargers from the AFC West. That leaves you know who as the remaining team in the division.
Are the Raiders a team on the upswing after their best record in eight years? Or are they just another 8-8 team adrift without a real solution at quarterback?
The Raiders took care of a lot of business by retaining a handful of players before the lockout started, but there is still plenty of work to do.
1. Re-sign Zach Miller.
Miller is a cornerstone to Oakland’s offense, not to mention one of the game’s most underrated players. Miller seems like a guy who should be a Raider for life. He’s also one of the best tight end free agents in years, so Oakland will have to pay up big money.
2. Make a competitive offer to Nnamdi Asomugha.
He’s worth it. Will Asomugha get a monster deal elsewhere? Probably, but we’re still not sure where it will come from. It’s at least possible the best offer comes from Oakland. Shane Lechler wound up staying when he thought he would leave.
3. Reconfigure offensive line.
Mario Henderson, Langston Walker, and Khalif Barnes are all not under contract. Robert Gallery is going to leave. The team is mostly transitioning away from zone blocking, which played to the strengths of Samson Satele and Cooper Carlisle.
The Raiders drafted two linemen early, but they may be asking too much of the rookies and 2010 pick Bruce Campbell. This is a huge rebuilding project for new line coach Bob Wylie, and perhaps the biggest reason to doubt Oakland as a playoff team.
4. Look for value at quarterback, especially Vince Young.
Jason Campbell hasn’t shown he’s the answer yet, and he’s not under contract in 2012. The Raiders are in a good position because they aren’t desperate for a quarterback, but they should be looking for value.
There are too many interesting quarterback names available this offseason, and not enough jobs. Al Davis loves to rehab talented quarterbacks, and Young has shown he can produce at a high level. VY in Oakland: What could go wrong?
5. Retain Michael Bush.
There is some question about Bush’s status because he was on the NFI list as a rookie. We believe he’ll be a restricted free agent, which should make him easy enough to retain.
6. Bolster cornerback depth.
This assumes list item No.2 doesn’t work. The Raiders are better situated to handle the departure of free safety Michael Huff than if Asomugha leaves as expected. Rookie DeMarcus Van Dyke looks like a project. The Raiders don’t want to rely on Chris Johnson and Walter McFadden too much.
7. Find a linebacker.
It didn’t happen in the draft, but the Raiders could use an alternative to Quentin Groves on the weak side.
8. Stay hungry.
The world isn’t out to get you, Raiders Nation. The NFL would love to see Oakland be relevant again after being one of the worst franchises in the league for nearly a decade.
Despite those struggles, we sense an odd overconfidence bubbling within the franchise after one .500 season. This team is talented enough to make a run at 10 wins, but not so talented they couldn’t collapse right back to five wins.
There is a lot of work to do and we hope Hue Jackson is the man to let this roster know 8-8 was just a start, not something to be overly excited about when a lot of talent could leave town.
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July 5th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
One thing is for certain. Nobody of any significance to the Raiders organization gives a damn what any of us think. Get over it.
July 5th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
KK here is an idea that might help you….post a link to the article instead of cutting and pasting the entire article.
July 5th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
666, I decided to post the whole article, get over it, troll.
July 5th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
One thing is for certain. Nobody of any significance to the Raiders organization gives a damn what any of us think. Get over it.
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I guess they don’t care about fans in the seats, either.
July 5th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Look for value at quarterback, especially Vince Young.
Jason Campbell hasn’t shown he’s the answer yet, and he’s not under contract in 2012. The Raiders are in a good position because they aren’t desperate for a quarterback, but they should be looking for value.
There are too many interesting quarterback names available this offseason, and not enough jobs. Al Davis loves to rehab talented quarterbacks, and Young has shown he can produce at a high level. VY in Oakland: What could go wrong?
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JaRaiderman99 loves VY!
I can’t imagine him going from a Jeff Fisher team with Kenny Britt at WR to an Al Davis team with DHB at WR and revitalizing his career
most veteran players call the Raiders “the place where you go to die” because they come here, collect a paycheck, underachieve and then no other teams are interested
July 5th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
KK
Most everyone here reads or knows about PFT. You posting the entire article like you are the news bearer (a mini Jerry so to speak) does not give you any Blog cred.
Sure I can scroll past it but its just another glaring example of a pathetic old man looking for someone to give him kudos on this Blog.
We would all respect you more if you sold a few houses instead.
July 5th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/05/team-checklist-oakland-raiders/#more-138190
July 5th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Troll666
I could care less how you feel about me, ok?
July 5th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Blog cred? Lol. You little troll wannabe’s.
July 5th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Seriously KoolKell, you post crap in here like you are the neighborhood apparatchik.
July 5th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
When free agency begins, the biggest name on the market will be cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. And the team with gaping needs at the position will be on Asomugha’s trail.
Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Texans are expected to make a run at the soon-to-be-former Raider.
In the end, the question becomes how much it will cost to sign Asomugha, and that will be driven by the number of teams that pursue him.
The Texans had a high-end corner, but they allowed Dunta Robinson to walk via free agency to the Falcons last year. They’ll need to be ready to pay even more to Asomugha than it would have taken to keep Robinson, if the Texans choose to pursue Asomugha.
July 5th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Twocents Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Seriously KoolKell, you post crap in here like you are the neighborhood apparatchik.
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Well you gotta give me credit for ignoring your stupid nonsense, though.
July 5th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Good read!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/05/team-checklist-oakland-raiders/
July 5th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Did I make you Google it, KoolKell? You know in your heart it fits.
July 5th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Just like Nnamdi Asomugha alone couldn’t prevent the Raiders secondary from giving up 29 TD passes last year
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I would seriously like to know how many pass TDs were allowed by the secondary, and how many were to TEs covered by LBs, or to RBs on screens or in the flat, also covered by LBs. Our #1 CB gave up 0 tds, and our #2 gave up only 4 tds. Where did the other 25 come from? Any of you film review guys want to do some searching?
July 5th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Look for value at quarterback, especially Vince Young.
Jason Campbell hasn’t shown he’s the answer yet, and he’s not under contract in 2012. The Raiders are in a good position because they aren’t desperate for a quarterback, but they should be looking for value.
There are too many interesting quarterback names available this offseason, and not enough jobs. Al Davis loves to rehab talented quarterbacks, and Young has shown he can produce at a high level. VY in Oakland: What could go wrong?
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JaRaiderman99 loves VY!
I can’t imagine him going from a Jeff Fisher team with Kenny Britt at WR to an Al Davis team with DHB at WR and revitalizing his career
most veteran players call the Raiders “the place where you go to die” because they come here, collect a paycheck, underachieve and then no other teams are interested
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How many of you honestly believe the Raids are going to have a dynamic passing attack with JaJason at QB ?
Even if you can’t see that JaJason sucks, you surely have doubts about the WR corps and have to realize that pass protection figures to be an issue while the OL is retooled.
This is NOT about loving VY.
This is about realizing the weaknesses and strengths of the Raider roster and projecting whether VY’s distinct talents would be a fit in Oakland.
If you’re not going to gain lots of yards through the air – due to subpar play at wr, pass protection issues, JaJason sucking (or a combo of all three) – then at least grab a QB that will make plays with his legs.
Do I think VY is a great passer ? Heck no. But honestly, I don’t think he’s any worse than JaJason, although I’m sure most here will disagree with that.
However, I am certain that he’s a proven winner and a playmaker, and I’ll take him over JaJason in a situation when a play is breaking down every time.
Best of all, when VY is released he doesn’t cost the Raids draft picks or players in trade. Just have to sign him and pay him.
Nominal downside, but if things work out – tremendous upside.
It’s a no brainer. I can see where the writer of this article is coming from.
Sure, it’s a crapshot. But I’ll tell you this – the Raids should not go into 2011 with only JaJason and Boller as options at QB.
Even if it’s not VY, the Raids still have to bring in another QB.
July 5th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
I don’t see VY saving the Raiders either. Questionable WR’s & O-line, so bring in VY?
July 5th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
I would seriously like to know how many pass TDs were allowed by the secondary, and how many were to TEs covered by LBs, or to RBs on screens or in the flat, also covered by LBs. Our #1 CB gave up 0 tds, and our #2 gave up only 4 tds. Where did the other 25 come from? Any of you film review guys want to do some searching?
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wimbley,groves,mc clain an the committee(huff,branch,mc fadden,ware,CJohnson)
yep that pretty much answers your question.
July 5th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
The Raiders need to be able to grow something organically, that takes continuity. Until they are able to solve their organizational problems (Al Davis), that won’t happen.
July 5th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
I don’t see VY saving the Raiders either. Questionable WR’s & O-line, so bring in VY?
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The questionable WRs and OL increases the value of having a QB that can improvise and make plays with his legs when necessary.
Say what you want about VY’s passing ability and mental stability, but his ability to extend plays and drives with his legs isn’t in doubt.
So, yes, you bring in VY – precisely bcz of the questionable WR and OL.
July 5th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
GRAPH: Contrary To GOP Claims, U.S. Has Second Lowest Corporate Taxes In The Developed World
During negotiations regarding raising the nation’s debt limit, congressional Republicans have defended tax loopholes for corporations, claiming that America has a high corporate tax rate that is stifling economic growth and job creation. But the Center for Tax Justice (CTJ) has crunched the most recent data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the Office of Management and Budget, and the Census Bureau, and finds that “the U.S. is already one of the least taxed countries for corporations in the developed world.”
As a share of GDP, the U.S. had the second lowest tax rate, behind only Iceland. This statistic flips on its head the often-repeated Republican charge that America has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world (which is only true on paper). In 2009, U.S. corporate taxes had fallen to only 1.3 percent of GDP, from 4 percent in 1965.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/05/260535/graph-corporate-tax-second-lowest/
July 5th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
I can’t see how bringing in somebody who can’t make the WR’s better with the passing attack will help.
July 5th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
JaRaidermann99
You’re basically saying Jason Campbell will have his hands tied by incompetence elsewhere on the team. Too kind.
I can’t see how throwing VY behind a schitty O-line is going to bring anything but frustration for him and chaos for us..
July 5th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Al is going to live long enough to see the Raiders become the only team in NFL history to win 3 Super Bowls in a row.
July 5th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
KoolKell, why do you constantly post propaganda from Soros funded websites? Are you paid or are you like a religious believer?
July 5th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Too Bad about the Yellowstone River, fouled by Exxon-Mobile.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/us/05spill.html
July 5th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
One other tidbit for the stat gurus here.
Raids had 2nd ranked rush attack in 2010. Passing attack was 23rd.
Now I can’t prove this, but I’ll bet that the vast majority of the 23rd ranked passing yards gained came on checkdowns and short dumps – and I suspect that this accounted for a greater percentage of yards gained through the air compared to most other NFL teams.
Not exactly the ’stretch the field’, score from anywhere philosophy the Raids have been noted for.
At the very least, a consistent intermediate passing game augmented with occasional deep strikes was noticeably absent.
Strongly doubt that VY is the guy to develop an effective, consistent intermediate game around (although I do think he throws a very good deep ball).
But how much worse is he going to be than JaJason in that area ?
Don’t want to put too much pressure on JaJason and actually expect him to complete some 15 – 20 yard passes.
July 5th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Not exactly the ’stretch the field’, score from anywhere philosophy the Raids have been noted for.
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It’s been about 30 years since the Raiders were noted for that.
They dinked & dunked with Gruden.
July 5th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
United States Is The Worlds Leading Jailer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Incarceration_rates_worldwide.gif
July 5th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
wimbley,groves,mc clain an the committee(huff,branch,mc fadden,ware,CJohnson)
yep that pretty much answers your question.
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Not really. I am really looking for more specifics, as I am betting more than half of those 25 tds were scored by running backs and TEs who were covered by linebackers (or not covered at all due to scheme issues).
July 5th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
True, Gruden was dink and dunk.
But the offense could move the ball through the air consistently when needed.
Gannon’s pea shooter precluded the semblance of a deep game. Rich was incapable of really airing it out. But the Raids still had an intermediate passing game.
Course, Gannon was operating behind a very good OL and had better WRs than JaJason too.
Debatable how much of the Raids’ failure at having an effective intermediate and deep game falls on JaJason. I think it’s a very large part. Most think it’s primarily due to other factors.
What’s not debatable is the Raid passing game has to improve if they’re going to be serious contenders.
July 5th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Hahahahahahahaha ninerwoman49 is lying thru her teeth again just becuz she has a vendetta against JC
July 5th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
How can VY be on same level as JC as a passer when he throws as much INTs as TDs?……Guy cant even get to the 3000 yard mark nor even come close to tossing 20 tds in a season
July 5th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
What two traits does a NFL qb have to have? Accuracy and Decision making you dummy! And what does VY struggle at?
July 5th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Haha you cant prove JC passes were mostly TDs? Well then shut up you b-tch
July 5th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Gruden’s pass attack got shut down alot and no there wasn’t ever a damn AIR attack with that offense. You dont know a damn thing
July 5th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
And its a complete lie that JC wasnt completing intermediate ppasses .You yourself said you dont remember more than a few passes that travelled 20 yards in the air…which shows you have an agenda and that you are an idiot
July 5th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Ninerwoman49…….and you know how stupid you sound talking about at least VY can use his legs when things break down? What the fk does he do when he haas a clean pocket and no pressure? A qb needs to be able to PASS the damn football more than anything else. Not THROW but PASS the ball. VY cant pass a damn football! what dont you get about that?
July 5th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
VY a winner? Lol how is this guy a winner in the NFL when he cant handle adversity? He played decent his rookie year but 07 the NFL got hip to his BS and dared him to pass….notice how many INTs he got that season compared to TDs? See what SD DID TO HIM IN PLAYOFFS?
July 5th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
What happened in 08? Guy couldnt handle being booed? Guy is a pxssy and just tried to run from his problems. Well Kerry KFC Collins replaced him and won division at 13-3 lol. VY plays in 09 when no pressure was on and got blasted at home vs SD TO EXPOSE HOW GARBAGE OF A QB HE REALLY WAS LOL
July 5th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Do I need to mention the debacle of 2010? Winner?
July 5th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Oh yeah some winner he is fighting at a damn strip club over the Tex/OU rivalry. Yeah you rich dumbass….like those two heavily cheating crook schools care about that crap. Tell him to go hang out with Michael Huff at a club shirtless again lol
July 5th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
I’ll take JC anyday and twice on Sunday over VY. He handles adversity and doesnt walk out on his teammates nor does he toss off his shoulders pad in disgust. He doesnt pout like a baby and takes accountability when things go bad. He is a stand up guy and a much better Qb for us than VY. Better arm, just as much mobility, better accuracy and makes better reads of the defense
July 5th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
The Bauce has aced Ninerwoman49 again again and again lol…..thanks for coming everyone, be sure to tip your waitress
July 5th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Ninerwoman49= ” Hello guys, soon i’ll be having a sex change to fully live out my life long dream of being a woman. Now I can have my chance of wedding my man cush Bruce Gradkowski. Anyhow guys thanks for listening now back to watching the Oxygen channel…..tootles”
July 5th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Bauce I see you had another convo with some atute Raider fans who understand what the scheme of this defense is about. Why you keep fighting that is a mystery to me it’s the defense of choice. The DT’s in this scheme do exactly what the scheme calls for. Kelly could add 40 lbs. and be a 2gap player and end up getting benched because that’s not what they want.
They want an athletic aggressive Dline, it’s the same scheme Indy runs but they just run a cover2 behind it. It the same scheme Tampa has run for years it’s just a zone cover2 behind it. These teams by in large DO NOT BLITZ. Most cover2 teams don’t do a lot of blitzing. The same is true with our defense they rely on the front 4 to get to the QB and play coverage behind it with a few artful blitzes. Against the run the LB’s have to play aggressively and tackle. The key to this defense is the back7 have to tackle well. if they do that it’s an extremely effective defense. We’ve always played this way when we run a 4/3 system. Since the day I ever saw this team this is the way we’ve played unless we switch to a 3/4 then we get the huge 2gapDT’s. Chester McGlockton will tell you himself he hates playing NT and doesn’t think it’s the correct way to play the game and has said so many times. When we had him and DRuss they both played this same system same with DT we got from Dallas (can’t recall his name) I used to talk to those guys all the time when Willie Shaw was here running his scheme.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Anyone in the right mind with sme knowledge of the game would take JC in a heartbeat over VY. VY just wont put in the work and dedicate himself to the game. JC is a much more pure passer and understands the position better. When we do get to the season and I hope at some point we will many are going to be pleasantly surprised at the efficiency of Camp as a starter. I realy think this kid is on the cusp of being one of the better QB’s in this league. You can rate them where you wish but IMO he will be in that between top 10-15 QB’s in this game.
If VY ever wanted to committ himself to the game he could be very good but he just doesn’t do that. Nobodies fault but his.
July 5th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Bauce and Priest biting hard on Raiderman99/RMR/Dan Land’s stupid BS.
He’s not responding cuz he’s wan-kin off at your bu-tt anger. Its his sick version of a power trip.
Yuck…
July 5th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
We do not at all run same scheme as Indy or TB now thats just flat out false. See how big our ends aere? Thanks
July 5th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Anger? Noticing the constant laughing by the Bauce? I see it as fun to blast these lies
July 5th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
BHP two years ago you said we played 2 gap with Chester in a 4-3 defense so what you are saying is quite funny to me. Oh Chester talking about the way the game should be played? Lol consider the source….and dallas DT you speak of is Russell Maryland
July 5th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
You kill me talking about whats in the scheme…fk is Hendu signed for then? lol
July 5th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
You know why Chester’s fat ass hated being a NT? Because its dirty work and you dont get alot of glory from it. It takes an unselfish guy to play that spot
July 5th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
When teams run at the middle what does Seymour or Kelly do if they are doubled? Do they play fundamental DT and shed the blockers? Do they clog the middle not allowing interior OL to get to 2nd level?
July 5th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
July 5th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Bauce and Priest biting hard on Raiderman99/RMR/Dan Land’s stupid BS.
He’s not responding cuz he’s wan-kin off at your bu-tt anger. Its his sick version of a power trip.
Yuck…
Thats funny 
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July 5th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
1st time visitor, just want to say Bauce is the “Chairman of da Board”. Doin it his way! Keep up the good Raiderology my man.
July 5th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Bauce I did say he played 2gap when (I can’t remember the coach) and he said he hated it. We were the worse run D in the league he said that was the issue and I disagreed I thought it was horrible leadership at that time we had a bad record. When the went back to a 1gap scheme he excelled. We were even better vs the run.
One thing you need to understand when someone is doubled, he has done his job to draw the double. No player in the g=histroy of this league consistently beats doubles. Not even Reggie White could do that you’re expectatition are way to high. If both your DT’s draw doubles the rest of the defense is playing 9 on 7 what do you expect the DT’s to regularly beta doubles and make the tackle TOO?? that’s insane man that’s why you have teammates and LB’s to make those plays when you get doubled. The best 2gap players draw doubles and the LB’s make the plays. It’s called giving up your body for the best of the team. No one beats doubles regularly NO ONE!!!!!
Occasionally great ones will beat doubles like the player who played for Tampa in their early years when Doug Williams was there (damn can’t recall his name) but he beat doubles better than anyone I ever saw but he did it with quickness and power. Anyway he played NT in a 3/4 scheme and was flat out awesome. he’s the last player that I can think of who could beat doubles more often than anyone. beating doubles is for some super DT not many have ever played who did that regularly like you’re demanding thses guys do it.
The best thing a great DT can do is hold the point if he can do that he’s done his job and that DOES NOT include making the play as well. Where you get these ideas is beyond me but you are looking for King Kong IMO!!
July 5th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Also let me say this you’re saying two different things, you say do they draw doubles and stop the guy from getting to the second level. When you’re doubled how can they be at the second level at the same time? If they’re doubling you they can’t be in two places at one time.
Again you have to watch the scheme it works and always has when you have the players to make it work. That is true with any scheme a 4man line is very very rarely a 2gap system that is by definition. The 3/4 was designed to free up the 3rd Dlineman thus the 2gaper at NT they want more people free instead of on the LOS. The 4/3 puts the 4th player on the LOS. Which is why they want those 4 to rush the QB and stop the run on the wya to the QB the LB’s are responsible for the leakage. It’s called team work.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
I’m sorry the 3/4 is designed to free up th 4th Dlineman it allows the defense to employ a quicker more athletic 4th lineman. That way they can blitz in a variety of ways more freely.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Happy Birthday Raiders primary owner, Mr. Al Davis.
July 5th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
When you get doubled and the run play is successfully stopppped in your area you beat double team BHP. And when a Center and Guard double a DT one of those guys will get to 2nd level after its obvious that guy will be a non factor in the play
July 5th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Lets say no one beats doubles all the time….fair enoug….now explain when neither of our two starters beat it at any time please. Seymour doesnt clog middle vs run and Kelly is even worse
July 5th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Best thing a DT CAN DO IS HOLD AT THE POINT? lol you not seriously saying this right? Seymour and Kelly dont hold up thats exactly my point!
July 5th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
Ive been sitting watching the scheme. I especially watch Seymour and Kelly alot. Its the same BS with them. Can collapse vs pass but get bullied vs the ruun
July 6th, 2011 at 12:01 am
And please dont ever say our dline is modeled after Indy or TB…. it makes you look not credible BHP. We use big huge players from across the entire line. Come on man
July 6th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Anyways im out…thinking bout going to the Casey Anthony after party lol
July 6th, 2011 at 12:28 am
Happy belated birthday to Al
Happy belated birthday to Al
Happy belated birthday tooooooo Aaaaallll
Happy belated birthday to Al
And to all those that dont like him you can go and run your own NFL team, especially if you think it is that easy since you Al detractors and haters make it sound so simple. Specially to you know who and you know who, when Al is gone, whats gonna happen? Huh? Really, who is gonna step in and ‘do’ something. Got a plan do ya? Didn’t think so. Aint so easy is it. Specially with hererra and trask at the helm. Cant wait. Figure it out.
July 6th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Bauce the size is not what I meant it’s the SCHEME I’m talking about. We’ve always use larger Dlineman than most team sin our history. Indy and Tampa were biult for quickness our 4man fronts are biult for power. And to say they get bullied vs the run is a bunch of crap man. Very few teams run directly at them they try to control them and run on the edges. I’ve watched way too much of this crap man to buy into that. Those two players DO NOT get dominated on run plays you don’t get the respect they do if they were. You don’t get voted by players as the 66th player in the entire league getting dominated vs the run. That’s a bunch of crap!!!
I watch our run D plenty they dominate most of the game it comes down to one or two plays that bloats the total normally. We make a ton of plays on the other side of the LOS. Subtract out one or two big plays and teams average between 2-3 yards a carry vs those guys. But a lack of disciple on the backend bloats the totalYPC average. That is one of the better DT tandems in the league man. Whether you realize it or not stopping the run is NOT ONLY up to the DT’s the rest of the team has to contribute………period
Your entire focus is on two players when there are 11 on the field. What are the rest supposed to be doing while those two play the run?? stand and watch??
You are not realistic in your expectations bruh………….bottom line.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:07 am
The key to great run defense is TACKLING……….period
The reason we has parculiar issues is not so much tackling it’s more due to man coverage when you cover man. It’s harder to get 11 hats to the ball. Pitt and Ravens play more cover2 and zones in order to get more hats to the ball. Our defense puts the emphasis on pass defense more than run defense thus the man coverage. That’s how teams score points via the pass not the run. Playing the run is only 50% of playing great defense. You can have a great defense while not being a dominant run D we’ve done it many times and won SB’s that way.
Getting two fat 2gappers isn’t going to make us a great D if they can’t push the pocket and the QB can step up in it and seee downfield to make throws. We try to crush the pocket making his job that much harder. It’s what you prefer we want put the QB on his back…………..period
July 6th, 2011 at 1:16 am
Why do some haters blame Al for things when they just cant see how hard it is to run a NFL team. And they want Al gone. Then what. Think things will be better? Get a life, no way. WHO? WHO? Who would step in? Nobody. Think hererra and trask can do a better job? Would they have drafted MacFadden or Ford or anybody we got this year? Dont be so quick to want Al gone, because when Al goes, so goes the Raiders.
Be realistic haters, better becareful what you wishes for because without Al, I cannot imagine what the Raiders would be like. What if some tard company bought the raiders and wanted to do a do-over, new colors and uni’s. Would you like that? Would a new owner be part of the community? People, get a clue! Quit wishin for a new owner, just cherish the time we have got left with Al. Quit hatin, get a clue for petes sake.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:24 am
When Al puts a good team on the field thiss yeear look at everything he has done, he went and got Hue Jackson and signed his players long before the other slopppy owners did, he kept all of his office workers working and he hired former players and raider as new assistants. And you want more? what else can he do since the owners lock down. I bet Al didnot want a lock down. Some of you people have no clue. Period. Certain people are plain cluless. GET A CLUE. Figure it out.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:27 am
Finally remembered the guys name who beat doubles better than anyone I can remember it was Leroy Selmon he was incredible. He was soo powerful and cat quick. He was of the few NT’s I ever saw dominate the league. In college he was a terror at Oklahoma. He was better than Suh and Suh is the only guy who plays at that level every snap.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:40 am
you know who you are the people that think Al should not be the owner anymore remind me of someone who comes to dinners and doesnt even look at the cook or the person puttin on the feast. they just want to come and eat and and never say thanks and leave. They are called ingrates. And they think they can do a better job cookin the meals but only in reality are capable of standing in the chow line because they could never cook a feast if they had to because they dont have the millions of dollars it takes to cook the feast. But Al been doin it for more than fifty years and some people act like he owes them. What does he owe you? NOTHIN. If you dont like the party, leave. Its Als party, so shut up or leave.
And you haters wanna know somethin else? You think Al doesnt hurt after all these years? You think he doesnt want to win or do you think its just you who wants to win. Al wants to win more than anyone because I dont see you dealin out millions of dollrs to players and coaches. Ifs you want to win so bad, go purchase a player for some millions of buck and do it for the team. Be a team guy. then you can complain. Til then, get a life, and clue while your at it. Figure it out.
July 6th, 2011 at 5:33 am
If you’ve been a member of the Nation for any length of time, you know that there are tons of Raider haters out there, and lots of people loving the fact that they have been able to jump on-and-off the bashing wagon for nearly a decade now. We are putting the pieces in place, however: Seymour, a once-criticized move, has already paid big dividends; we had a great draft last year – and a potentially good one again this year; HueJack has been elevated to “the man” now, and we’re going to have a lot of coin freed up with Nnamdi’s departure. Say what you will – but I am wishing for the same thing that Al did when he blew out all 82 of those birthday candles!
July 6th, 2011 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!
Happy Belated to Mr. Davis!
Anyways…anything new on the talks?
July 6th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Morning Hwnrdr. Latest I heard on Sirius NFL radio is that the lawyers spent about 8 hours working on the legalese of a new deal, and plan to do so today as well, before meeting with the owners/players tomorrow and Friday. Still too much speculation for me to feel any optimism yet though.
July 6th, 2011 at 7:02 am
I agree, Bcz24…if a deal is finalized and the lockout is lifted…it will cut pre-season games, or will it be pushed back?
July 6th, 2011 at 7:09 am
If they get the deal done by the 15th, training camp will open as scheduled, and the HOF Game will be played on 8/6 as scheduled. After that deadline everything is up in the air. I tell you right now, if they dont get a deal done by the time training camp is set to open, then I dont think football will be played this year. The lawyers WANT this thing to go on as long as possible so they can win the anti-trust suit against the NFL
July 6th, 2011 at 7:41 am
I don’t know…jeopardizing something to prove a point or to be right…smh!
July 6th, 2011 at 7:41 am
BHP….you cant be serious man….Kelly and Seymour aint run stuffers bruh. Sorry you are wrong even using the word dominant when referring to run defense. You arent listening man or you just being stubborn knowing Im correct on this issue. All I hear is excuses for the run defense. Gap assignments, discipline and not tackling BS im sick of hearing it. Im to my last ends with that schit. At some point you need players that can get the job done
July 6th, 2011 at 7:49 am
And Seymour got ranked 66 off of reputation from his NEW England days. He stunk after the overtime win vs KC and was non existant the 2nd half of season so spare me that noise. Kelly gets respect? Stop it man lol. Kelly wouldnt make the top 500 list
July 6th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Oh wow the excuses again….only 2 or 3 plays kills the run defense? That’s a damn lie. They stay gettin fked up out there. And football is played until zeros are all on the clock. You cant go hard almost all of the game you have you Do it all of the game!
July 6th, 2011 at 7:54 am
Our run defense is a problem of consistancy. I did the math last season, and if you took away the 14 big runs (20+) yards, than we had a top 5 run defense. I realize those 14 big plays count. Its all 11 men on the field not getting it done EVERY play. A big nose tackle isnt going to make the other 10 guys on the field get it done EVERY play Bauce.
July 6th, 2011 at 7:56 am
A deal should be done soon unless the lawyers still wanna drag it out so they can get super paid even more. I hope that flat fee thing is true. I need football worse than Casey ANTHONY NEEDS TO PARTY
July 6th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Bcz…..sounds like more excuses. We are playing two UT types in the most vital area of the field….the interior middle. Dont you see a problem?
July 6th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Can you imagine a basketball team playing a 6′6 SG at power forward…..er Don Nelson….and expecting him to guard a real life 6′10 power forward?
July 6th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Bcz….having a real DT/NT eliminates at least half of those big runs I guarantee you that
July 6th, 2011 at 8:04 am
If what I said is an excuse than you screaming for a nose tackle is an excuse as well. IT is a a FACT that all 11 men on our defense arent getting the job done EVERY snap. Our ypc allowed last year was 3.3 ypc if you take away the plays of over 20 yards. The plays that ALL 11 men did NOT get the job done. It takes all 11 guys to fix the problem.
July 6th, 2011 at 8:17 am
God morning Bauce
Casey Anthony is OK but I seriously dig that Amanda Knox!
July 6th, 2011 at 8:31 am
666….but at least u know good ole Casey puts partying above everything! train time choo choo!
July 6th, 2011 at 8:37 am
bcz this 11 guys schit is nothing but an excuse for us not dealing with the real issue. Our two big uglies pplay like pretty boys vs the run. You BHP and yA’s excuses are what I hear every damn year now lol. Take away the long runs? That’s weak very weak. Those runs cant be taken away cuz they happened. Deal with reality man
July 6th, 2011 at 8:40 am
When a DT has a G and C doubling him…what’s his responsiblity? What’s things does he need to do to allow himself to be a factor in the play? Does kelly and seymour clog the middle? Now dont lie be honest
July 6th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Yeah it takes all 11 guys to stop the run….yep I expect my CBs to be stout in the middle of 330 lb animals. Hey how about we start Demarcus Van Dyke at DT? I mean it doesnt matter who plays DT as long as all 11 guys played together
July 6th, 2011 at 8:46 am
I also say play Seymour at safety or CB for that matter
July 6th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Rule of thumb: all 11 guys on defense have the same responsibility vs the run. DEs,DTs,LBs and DBs are on all equal planes so it doesnt matter. I get it now guys
July 6th, 2011 at 8:56 am
G’morning fellas.
‘Sup Bauce. Look at it this way. The Lions already have Suh, right. A powerful young Seymour clone. A disruptive force. They just spent a top 10 pick on Nick Fairley. Did they do that for him to be a space eater. To clog the middle and keep blockers off of Detroit’s MLB, whoever the hell that is?
No. That’s not his game. He’s another penetrator, whose game is to get in the backfield and wreak havoc. They have to face Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler twice a year. Just like Oakland has to face Rivers.
They are trying to collapse the pocket. If the RB gets in their way on the way to the QB, so be it. If he squirts through, the LB’s or SS better be there to clean it up.
Having an elite edge rusher to sack the QB is nice for any defense. But every talking head I’ve ever heard say the pressure that bothers a QB the most is right up the middle..in his face. Where he can’t step up in the pocket and complete his throwing motion.
That’s what Detroit is attempting to do. Oakland as well. They did it pretty effectively last year, if you think about it.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Who is ready for some soccer?
USA Raiders 5
Swedish Babes 1
July 6th, 2011 at 9:06 am
New Guina up first. Those women on the sidelines look like someone just burned down their house.
We need to take up a collection and buy the Columbian team some sports bras. They played USA last game and those big boobies were bouncing all over the field.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:11 am
I predict Soup will have a pro bowl year. Hue will be coach of the year and DMAC will be the most Valuable Player of the NFL
10 – 6 and we win the SB if the D stays healthy
Best year ever~!!!!!!!
July 6th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Bauce. I hope we get some preseason. I want to see Kellen Heard play. He could be the big boy in the middle you are looking for.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:14 am
One very critcal play that illustrates what BCZ is talking about, with everyone else doing their job to make the defense work happened in Jax.
It was the critical play that swung the whole momentum of the game, IMO.
Seymour shot the gap so fast, he damn near took the handoff. He had a guard in his hip pocket, the QB and RB in his sights.
The RB got loose, but the play was essentially blown up. From then on it was a cluster-you-know-what.
The other 10 men on the field failed to do their jobs. The play was blown up, the RB was running parallel to LOS. It should’ve been a four yd loss. But the OLB lost his containment, and Routt, good gawd, thought he was playing flag football.
All he had to do was make a tackle. He’s a big fast, kid. Dive into the dude’s legs and wrap up. He failed miserably.
The backup RB gets outside and goes for 70+. NEVER should’ve happened. Totally swung momentum in that game. That’s the kinda crap that has to stop.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Your logic is astonishing bauce. Can you please explain to me how my saying all 11 guys need to do THEIR jobs translates to me saying DVD should play DT. Im not going to argue with you because wise men don’t argue with fools, people from a distance can’t tell the difference.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Norway has some fine women playing soccer.
Nice thighs
July 6th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Exactly Buckeye. At least someone in here has the intelligence to see what I meant.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Bauce Logic 101 – On running plays, DEs, LBs, Safetys, and Cornerbacks should leave the field. It is ONLY the responsibility of the 2 DTs to stop the run. The other 9 men are free to jerk their wanks.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Dam Kellen Heard 6′6″ 355. Thought he was on practice squad last season, but when I searched nfl.com he popped up as a Buffalo Bill.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Our #1 CB gave up 0 tds, and our #2 gave up only 4 tds. Where did the other 25 come from? Any of you film review guys want to do some searching?
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Excellent question, BCZ.
hopefully JFB & Jhill are hard at work to solve this mystery!
July 6th, 2011 at 9:30 am
This is NOT about loving VY.
This is about realizing the weaknesses and strengths of the Raider roster and projecting whether VY’s distinct talents would be a fit in Oakland.
If you’re not going to gain lots of yards through the air – due to subpar play at wr, pass protection issues, JaJason sucking (or a combo of all three) – then at least grab a QB that will make plays with his legs.
Do I think VY is a great passer ? Heck no. But honestly, I don’t think he’s any worse than JaJason
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Raiderman99,
how about we avoid the headcase who wants to start and will demand millions.
just sign Tarvaris Jackson & Troy Smith for peanuts! Both with more mobility than JCamp or Boller …
July 6th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Jackson and Smith? Why not resign Bruce, if we don’t someone will.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Bauce,
Like i said last night, I like Big John. He’s still a big, strong dude who can anchor..and hold his ground.
In every game you’re going to face that critical 3rd and two, or 4th and one where that is needed. You need a widebody in there, down on the goal line or short yardage.
Henderson can’t play forever, and if they draft or sign a big DT at 335-350 lb range to eventually replace him, I’d have no problem with that. In fact, it’d be a wise move. He’d make an excellent piece of the D-line rotation.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Yeah Buckeye and Bcz….i get it guys I get it now….we dont need a real run stuffer in the middle. Yep playing two UTs up the middle has no affect on our run D at all
July 6th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Buckeyeraider I like Big John as well but I don’t know if he can stay healthy. When big guys like that start having back, ankle and feet issues it is not a good sign.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:39 am
No…buckeye…why dont we just cut Big John….we want athletic guys who can rush the passer….nevermind running backs acing us….as loong as the qb goes down and goes down hard who cares?
July 6th, 2011 at 9:39 am
***************Possible Free Agents – Let me here from you!****************
Would you sign Roy Williams as a veteran WR?
Would you let Morrison back on the team as a back up?
*The loaded veteran market of available wide receivers could become more loaded if the Cowboys send Roy Williams packing, and it’s looking more and more like that will happen. There are two reasons why Williams is likely going to be a former Cowboy in the near future. The first is he’s making more money than he’s worth. The second is the team wants to clear the way for Dez Bryan to play more. There will be a healthy market for Williams though. His effort and attitude has remained good in Dallas despite the fact that he hasn’t found his niche in the offense, and that will help him find future employment.
*Middle linebacker Kirk Morrison was a mild disappointment in his first year in Jacksonville, and now he is a free agent. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be back with the Jags. The coaching staff loves Morrison because he is a great locker room guy and a hard worker. And they believe that with another year in the system, he should improve and make more plays. But Jacksonville probably won’t break the bank for him. Regardless of Morrison’s situation, the team plans on signing a free agent outside linebacker and a safety in free agency. If Morrison leaves, they’ll need a middle linebacker too.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:41 am
As long as we get alot of sacks why care if we’re near bottom of the league
July 6th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Yep and Seymour has been healthy his whole career unlike Big John
July 6th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Jackson and Smith? Why not resign Bruce, if we don’t someone will.
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Gradkowski is a 3rd string journeyman. he has a noodle arm and he’s injury prone. Being “better than JaMarcus” only earned him one extra year. He wasn’t better than JCamp, when given the opportunity.
the fact that the Raiders re-signed Kyle Boller before the deadline at $1.25 million and left BG twisting in the wind should tell you how much the Raiders want to see him back in black for 2011
July 6th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Nevermind raiders D has to face DeAngelo Williams and Knowshon Moreno
July 6th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Or CJ SPILLER ON TURF
July 6th, 2011 at 9:52 am
jackson and smith are garbage. It’s not how fast the ball gets there, it’s when it gets there. The harder the throw the more accurate it has to be. JC can’t throw a 7 yard crossing route accuratly and missed on dump offs. That guy…. what’s his name….had a noodle arm… oh I got it… Joe Montana.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Would you let Morrison back on the team as a back up?
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CJL,
if Kirk doesn’t re-sign with Jax, he’ll sign somewhere else and start 16 games at MLB
Print That
If he wants to take less money and give the Raiders a hometown discount just to sport silver & black the next 4 or 5 years, I’d love to have him.
Despite my ramblings, it’s painfully obvious that McClain is going nowhere for at least 3 years. Jhill & JFB have pointed out repeatedly that despite his sack totals, Wimbley was a disappointment against the run & pass last year. And for some reason 95 % of Raider fans are eager to replace Groves with backup MLB Goethel or T-Howard at WLB
Kirk would START in Oakland …
July 6th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Naw ignore we got shonne greene/tomlinson on schedule….pay no mind to Arian Foster of Hou or the next week of big bruising Peyton Hillis….Matt Forte who? Who cares Ryan Grant is back? Detroits young fast rb duo? We cant worry they shouuld. We have Seymour and Kelly as the biig anchors in the middle of the defense. I know rbs are quivering with fear
July 6th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Al Davis is 82. Has one of the best records of any GM in sports. Has 3 Lombardi trophies. Had he not got rid of Gruden, he’d have 4. Possibly 5. Just an example of how the great can be even greater if their personalities didn’t get in the way.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Kirk would easily start at WLB for Oakland. Its his natural position. Plus he can cover rbs out the backfield . But I like him better at DT since it dont matter to the bloggers who plays the middle
July 6th, 2011 at 10:00 am
MR shut up….we have the best run D in NFL if not for all those big runs
July 6th, 2011 at 10:02 am
DTs dont have specific duties vs the run….just hit the qb….hit em hard
July 6th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Plunk, I hooked up with a few skanks from the Canadian national team last year in Cabo. They were dying to get at my junk since all Canadian dudes have amateur sized wood.
Let’s just say the 69 position translates very well into the metric system.
Bros I’m heading out to Islands in a few for some Big Wave burgers, but don’t worry, we’ll be capping on Krappy pretty soon.
Then I’ll tell you all about the sweet modifications I performed on the PARTYDUDE 8000.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Man did you the run rate success for Seymour and Kelly? 95% success rate. Run stuffing beasts those two are or as BHP said DOMINANT
July 6th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Beecher<—-TransAmerica
July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Brien, this thread is about Al Davis. Not the run D. Scroll up and read Jerry’s headline and post, if you need help.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Brian the Genital, remember when you got your panties in bunch because I was stealing your former “macking on the ladies” blog personality?
That was hysterical, little dude! Any other cool personalities you used to use that I should watch out for?
HA HA
July 6th, 2011 at 10:21 am
The one thing I know for sure about our run D is that you can go back and watch the games and see that on almost every big run you can see the holding. Chris Johnson’s lone big run you can clearly see Romac being held.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:26 am
I don’t have access to a replay of that game, but I remember that RoMac got completely fooled on that long Chris Johnson TD run and de-cleated. I don’t remember any kind of hold on that play. If he was in position, that play would have been 8 to 10 yards at worst.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Go back and see that Branch and Huff led the team in tackles. These guys aren’t the guys you want leading the team in tackles. Still too many sloppy plays on D.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:28 am
RRS,
I’d have no problem bringing Capt. Kirk back into the mix at one of the OLB spots.
I liked Kirk, and thought he was a good football player. It’s a nice story that he grew up a Raider fan, and his dad was a season ticket holder and all.
I just wanted somebody bigger and meaner in the middle. I think they have that in RoMac.
Speaking of Kirk, did you see him on NFLN. They did a report on NFL players taking MMA trtaining with that NFL insider info guy Jay Glazer, and Tito Ortiz or somebody.
Maybe Kirk is toughening up a lil. Getting meaner. They said it translated to NFL skills by fending off blockers.
When a lineman reaches out his arms to block (i.e HOLD) ya, instead of merely shedding their block…they deliver a violent karate style chop to their forearms. They joked by the 3rd qtr those lineman aren’t going to be so eager to reach out there.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Beecher….u are attempting but no one believes you. Your just a pillow biting short punk who wouldnt dare show up to the Coliseum this season
July 6th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Deffinatley think big John should be in on running downs. How about this for a fantasy front 3-4 Big John in the middle, Seymour and Houston the ends. McClain and Howard in the middle( Howard on the TE). Shonasty and Wimbley OSLB’s.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Haha….MR how many times has a blog topic been posted by Jerry and you talk about something else? Stop being a hypocrite
July 6th, 2011 at 10:32 am
But arent we running Al Davis’ defense? So I am talking about Al….dummy
July 6th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Sorry bro McClain was held on that play. I can still remember screaming at the tv.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Brien, I wasn’t criticizing you for being off topic. I was defending myself for being on topic. You told me to “shut up”. Shut up, when I’m on topic per Jerry’s current blog entry? You can be off topic all you want here evidently, but when someone who’s off topic tries to shut up someone who’s on topic, that’s pretty funny.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Pro Football Focus just had an oline article today ranking positional players. They did 4-3 DTs…..Richard Seymour was at number 4 I believe…..Tommy Kelly didnt make the top 10………but here is the kicker for you doubters…..guess who was number 8 in a limited role? That’s right JOHN HENDERSON! Bauce shoots from deep……..BANNNNNNNG!
July 6th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Hey fellas. Still with the Henderson topic? Anybody wanna go out on a limb and say the run D improves to mediocrity, and ranks better than 19th?… we all know the pass D is going to slide, overall D should rank in the upper 20´s.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:38 am
According to the Actuarial Tables, Al Davis has a good 7 more years in him. He can take his time to win the next ring or two.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
July 6th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Actually MR i was giving you a sarcastic shut up….did you see my sarcastic postts before I mentioned you? Come on pal I know you got more brains than that
July 6th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Tough deal for Hugh. The D looses its best player, and a Safety that has played the raiders D toughest position for years. No help for Oline, Dline, WRs yet.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Why is our pass D gonna slide? What if we trade for Osi? What if Shaughnessy takes that next step in his 3rd year and becomes a terror on the blindside? I’d rather have hell off my edges than some lockdown CB. pass Ruush is the dbs best friend
July 6th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Well if RoMac was held a lot early last year, it was partly his fault in not understanding the technique that O-Linemen use to cheat. He needs to take those martial arts classes and karate chop their arms.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Huff and Nnamdi<—–addition by subtraction
July 6th, 2011 at 10:44 am
So Seymour at 4 and Hendu at 8, yet the Run D ranks 29th. Pro Football Focus, focused on what?
July 6th, 2011 at 10:44 am
We don’t need to trade for Osi. With the push up the middle of Seymour and Kelly, that is what unnerves QB’s. The real disruptive push comes up the middle, and doesn’t allow the QB space to follow through with throws. It turns them into checkdown throwers.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Must check out video…..funny @$$ as h3ll!!
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/7836326dd7/field-of-dreams-2-nfl-lockout-with-taylor-lautner
July 6th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Huff and Nnamdi<—–addition by subtraction
_________
Wat?
July 6th, 2011 at 10:45 am
“My Dougie, My Dougie she say she like My Dougie, My Dougie….I’m fresh , fly than a mfka”………..the real Dougie song not that h0m0 teach me how to dougie bs that was stolen
July 6th, 2011 at 10:46 am
The D is going to slide. But pin those hopes on trading for Osi and Shaughnessy becoming Reggie White.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:47 am
That’s an area where I think the runD might make a big leap next year is in improved play from Rolando.
I like the guy. He’s big, smart…a student of the game. Saban called him the best he’d ever seen. That’s saying something. And He has a bit of a nasty edge in his play. He’ll drop the hammer and try to knock dude’s out. I love it.
With that being said, he was still a rookie last year, and did experience some growing pains. He struggled to shed some blocks at times. Took the wrong gap other times.
While he’s got big, thick legs that should help him anchor against blockers, another year or two in a pro weight room should help him get even stronger in the upper body. Help shed those blockers.
Working with Biekert some more should help improve his technique against pro lineman as well.
As much as I like RoMac, he has the potential to be much better in the future. He was in no way a finished product last year, IMO. We might just be scratching the surface.
Both Wimbley and Groves were new last year at OLB in Oakland as well. They had no chemistry or cohesion. That takes time.
Besides both are more edge rushing DE/tweeners than traditional OLB’s comfortable in space. There is defenite room for improvement in OLB play as well.
Finally, I think getting MM34 in there at SS full time might help the run D as well. He’s a very solid tackler who plays with some physicality and nastiness. Get him up there near the LOS, sticking his nose into run support.
I think this team can improve their run D in a lot of ways next year. Sure the DT’s are integral in the run-D. But they’re not the end all, be all. Like somebody else said earlier..it takes all eleven men doing their jobs and functioning as a unit.
Or as Hillary Clinton said many years ago: It takes a village to stomp Jammal Charles’ brains out.
Something like that.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Guest….think about what you saying bruh….guys a qb can see are more of a worry than the blindside edge rusher?
July 6th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Bauce I am not in any way saying our DTs dont need to improve against the run. Not at all. They are part of the 11 men on the field that I am calling out for their inconsistancy. Im not sure why you cant understand that. I will however challenge you to show me a post where I said Seymour and Kelly are perfect against the run and the other 9 guys blow. You cant because I didnt.
You sound like a butthurt 4 year old because I didnt agree letter for letter with what you said. Go ahead and post 52 more times about how DVD should play DT or how a NT is the only thing a team needs to stop the run…
July 6th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Addition by substraction: Jamarcus, Kwami, MeAngelo, Jerry Porter…and Nnamdi? also from Pro Football Focus?
July 6th, 2011 at 10:48 am
just watched it on nfl.com. Bad D 6 in the box, O had 7. T Howard at weakside and yes Romac was held not at all taken off his feet.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:49 am
RIP Armen Gilliam, a former No. 2 overall pick of the Phoenix Suns in 1987, died Wednesday. He was 47.
Police say Gilliam collapsed of a heart attack while playing basketball at LA Fitness in Collier Township, Penn. He was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was declared dead.
Gilliam, nicknamed “The Hammer,” starred at UNLV on the 1987 team that won a record 38 games and made it to the Final Four. Besides the Suns, he also played for the Charlotte Hornets, Philadelphia 76ers, New Jersey Nets, Milwaukee Bucks and Utah Jazz. He retired in 2000.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Slim Jim……seymour is outta position should be at UT….HENDU played half the season and wasnt a full time player but by far their best run stuffer. Maybe you missed when Vegas raider the stat guru put up in the middle of season that our ruun numbers were so bad that we wouldnt finish higher than 25th cuz of what we had done already
July 6th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Y’all I don’t know what we we’re going to do with Bauce in here. When it comes to our D he is the most hardheaded stubborn critter in these here parts. LOL
Anyone with a modicum of objectivity can see it takes 111 guys to stop the run. I used to go to postgame conferences when Willie Shaw was here and Jerry can attest to this all he ever used to talk about is stopping the run by getting 11 hats on the ball.
You don’t go get a fat guy and your run D problems are solved. We’ve had some of the most dominant DT’s in the game but when our DB’s are covering man they get an extra 10+ yards because our backs are turned to the play. That is why a lot of teams play zone it’s not because it’s more effective way to cover NO, it’s because they want to limit big run plays.
Our scheme is geared to stop the most important player on the team, the QB and his targets. We want to beat the crap out of the trigger man. That’s how you win in this league by getting tremendous pressure on the QB and covering behind it.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Hendu played two games up to that point…..tenn game where he actually played good when he got in and stl game where he started and we shut the rams run game down….he got hurt that day but played whole game. He didnt play agains until week 10…. do the math buddy
July 6th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Sensational post Buck#482
July 6th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Damn Armon Gilliam is dead? i liked him as hooper coming u…..fk
July 6th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Brian the Genital, you know my babes and I chill at the Ritz pool in Marina Del Rey pretty much everyday.
You’re always welcome to come on down, get slapped around a bit, then serve us tasty shrimp cocktails.
We’re right off the 91 … remember?
So drop the “I’m a big mean tough guy come meet me in the parking lot” routine. We all know you’re built like Tyra Banks and softer than a wet sponge.
Man, capping on the Kelly Family is not only easy, but fun too!
BOYZ 2 MEN REPRESENT
July 6th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Problem with Hendu is he’s hurt way too much and doesn’t see the field. We can’t rely on him going in to the 2011 season. I love it when he is physically cleared to play. But just seems like crossing fingers to hope he will be active.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Bauce no one is disagreeing with your premise that Hendu is a better run stuffer. All everyone on planet earth is trying to tell is that’s not all you need…………period
July 6th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Front four go kill the qb, cb and safteies in man, LB’s in zone. Just a wish.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Bcz….you dont have to agree the results the last few seasons with UTs as the combo in the middle show I am correct lol. But hurt is what you “fans” our after the games we get destroyed and then 2012 you will holler the same excuse BS. not only do they need to improve theyy need to put proper ppl in there
July 6th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Beecher….Marina Del Ray I thought…wouldnt that be the 90?
July 6th, 2011 at 11:00 am
More on Armen Gilliam, I remember him back on that UNLV squad with that run and gun team and that crazy coach who ate his towel on the sideline.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/30473378
July 6th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Beecher you softer than medicated cotton….I’d drag u all around the parking lot b-tch. That’s why you wont come to the games your punk ass knows whats up
July 6th, 2011 at 11:03 am
BHP Im not saying get any fat guy Im saying get a fat guy who can play well in the middle. We got him but dont wanna start him
July 6th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Send to Pro Football Focus:
Opponents rushing yards in games Hendu played in
Tenn 205
STL 75
PIT 162
MIA 186
SDG 21
JAX 234
DEN 106
IND 191
KC 115
Average 143.89
July 6th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Send to Pro Football Focus:
Opponents rushing yards in games Hendu did NOT play in:
AZ 119
HOU 249
SD 91
49S 158
DEN 75
SEA 47
KC 104
Average 120.43
July 6th, 2011 at 11:05 am
So BHP at the DT/NT POSITION o n our team we shouldnt have our best run stuffer there?
July 6th, 2011 at 11:07 am
And Macho….do you notice how many snaps Henduu gets in those games? Notice that John has a 90 pct success rate when ran at him?
July 6th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Brian the Genital, everyone on the blog knows you’ve been avoiding my open invitation for years now. It’s kind of the joke around here that you can’t back any of your talk up.
You didn’t know that? Oh man …
Anyway, don’t worry Genital, it’s cool. We need folks in the world like you, how else would I ever get my shrimp cocktails served on an icy chilled platter?
Yo we just had the pool DJ do a mash up of classic Simply Red and Billy Joel jams.
GIRLZ GETTIN WIZZLE
July 6th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Macho….now go check on seymour and kelly’s run success rate lol
July 6th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Those are the stats Bauce. What the hell can I do? The run D was worse off in the games Hendu played in. That is the truth.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Actually Beecher since 08 Ive invited YOU to come to coliseum and talk schit live and direct. I got the archives to prove it….do you?
July 6th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Beecher it was only last year you started wanting to invite people to your “Cruisin” lifestyle on your faux boat
July 6th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Teams with great run defenses usually have great LB play.We don’t.Hopefully putting Goethel on 1 side and McClain getting more experience will help.LBs are the key,not different DTs.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:14 am
How can it be worse with Big John as the admitted best run stuffer on the team you moron? Now go find how many snaps he played and then find out exaactlyy how many times he was in the game comppared to kelly and seymour
July 6th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Actually Beecher since 08 Ive invited YOU to come to coliseum and talk schit live and direct. I got the archives to prove it….do you?
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Grow up dude. The Raiders don’t need that schit, Oakland don’t need that scit.
But you do, obviously. It’s only a blog dude.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Hey Bauce,
Games with Hendu: 143
Games without: 120
Look at that, aint it the truth.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:16 am
As I said Tenn game he wasnt in most of game and when he was he played well….just go look at comments on gameday on this blog…Next! Pitt game? Hahahahaha his first game back and guess who was killing the Raiders on the ground? Big Ben……next!
July 6th, 2011 at 11:17 am
I already went over the jax game as majority of jax’s good runs he wasnt in the game us usual
July 6th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Tim tebow the qb had a 40 yard run lol….comee on be serious and it was from shotgun formation be real dude
July 6th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Bauce I’m not sure what it takes to get through to you that in this scheme they aren’t just concerned with stopping the run……….they stop the run on their way to the QB. Putting a guy in who’s staple is stuffing the run on 3rd and 10 is not going to get that done. Hendu is good for about 20 snaps a game no more he just isn’t what this DC is looking for in a DT. The focus is not just to stop the run it’s to play great defense……….period
July 6th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Only game you can get at him for is Colts game while we played dime defense all day and then what did he do next week? Outside of Charles 47 yrd run he got shut….and 47 yr run was in first half….Negga was shut from that point on….thanks
July 6th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Kelly sucks vs run and we got ppl on blog who agree…. Seymour was outta position which he gets a pass for but what did he do from games 10-16 for us? Nada. He was invisible out there
July 6th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Brian the Genital, we’re at the pool now and we’ll be here everyday, all summer long.
Now are you going to show up to get an official “Beeecham Beat Down” or will you continue to be the running blog joke?
Now’s your chance, little Genital. We all know you won’t do it, but its sure fun calling you out year after year!
SOUTH BAY REPRESENT
July 6th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Kell ok fair enough….u wanna talk about them links I put up yet? Id love to drop this convo
July 6th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Lets see if Hendu even makes the team this year. Then we can ask for more snaps.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Beeecher….show blogg posts of me getting called out year after year…..love to see it……but a liar like you cant produce it
July 6th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Master Beeecham Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Brian the Genital, we’re at the pool now and we’ll be here everyday, all summer long.
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“Pool”, you mean the kitchen sink at Arbys, East Sacramento?
July 6th, 2011 at 11:25 am
And there is only one SOUTH BAY and its in the 408! There isnt a fkin Bay in the LA basin
July 6th, 2011 at 11:26 am
I gotta say, I’m very touched the way Krappy ran to the defense of his poor little grandson Brian the Genital!
I’m so moved, in fact, that I’ve decided to order up a plate of jalapeno poppers, crank up the Simply Red and make a move on this hot redhead who’s been staring me down all morning.
Looks like I’ll be doing another of my classic Incredible Hulk impression right through my trunks!
July 6th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Macho lol….u same morons on here doubted he would make it last year…..2 yr deal buddy he was re-signed for a reason
July 6th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Sure a guy is poolside with women and he wants to blog with men…..hahahahahahaha
July 6th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Haha BHp….thanks for basically saying stopping the run isnt important
July 6th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Beecher….you’re the Casey Anthony of this blog….your story just aint adding up
July 6th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Brian the Genital – just as I thought.
Anyway, with that smack down completed, I’ll move onto your grandpa.
Krappy, you excited for another exciting year of Brian the Genital changing your diapers at the Coliseum?
Any of your dorks know how to clean Bloody Marys out of a Corvette?
July 6th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Who is our best run stuffer for the DTs? Answer that macho
July 6th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Smackdown? hahahahah you couldnt smack down a crippled fly. I been calling you out. This is a Raider blog and Raiders play home games in Oakland. Why meet there? So entire blog who shows up can witness me beating you down. of course you know that and wont dare show up
July 6th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Gotta bolt for awhile. Have a good day fellas.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:37 am
But me beating you down will be considered a hate crime due to you being a gay white male. im sure your friends over at the LGBT will have my head on a stake if I injure the poster child of “alternative lifestyles”
July 6th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Be cool Buckeye
July 6th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Kell….how bout them links?
July 6th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Anyhow lol ima holla at you guys and gal(Beecher) later
July 6th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Bauce
You’re such a little high school girl, seriously.
Gotta run.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Except for the Charles run??????
What happened to that 48 minutes propaganda?
Seymore and Kelly can’t give up 2 big runs combined (if you even buy they are responsible) but Charles can break a run on Hendu and it gets glossed over?
Lol at u using the dime defense as an excuse for the Indy game. You didnt want to hear any parts of that when it came to the starters.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Very safe to try to meet at game when there isn’t even a season yet.
I’m here now, everyday, all summer, cranking tunes and partying with sweet babes.
Pretty obvious who’s avoiding who, right little dude?
Brian, the whole blog is starting to feel sorry for you. Even though you’re part of the Kelly Family, I hate to keep humiliating you.
White flag time? Yeah, I thought so.
LIKE YOUNG MC USED TO DO
July 6th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Danny Southwick is a member of the Tampa Bay Storm (Arena Football League) …
who knew?
nice of Al Davis to let his intern out of the cage during the lockout!
July 6th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
http://www.tampabaystorm.com/roster/danny-southwick/
BSJ must be p1ssed!
his boy is on the bench behind Grant Gregory & Brian Zbydniewski … (who?)
July 6th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
If the Steelers can’t re-sign Ike Taylor, don’t expect them to make a big splash at cornerback.
“If the Steelers can’t sign Taylor to a new contract, it is unlikely they would sign another player from the first tier of free-agent corners, assuming they command comparable dollar figures, because of the comfort level between the Steelers and Taylor and Taylor’s knowledge of the defense,” Ray Fittipaldo writes.
The Steelers defense isn’t about coverage. It’s about pressure, tackling, and more pressure. Pittsburgh doesn’t need to overpay at cornerback.
We’ve heard that the secondary was Pittsburgh’s Achilles heel for years, and it hasn’t exactly devastated the defense.
-PFT
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Keith Butler for Defensive Coordinator!
Wait, am I late ???
July 6th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
the Steelers have a crapfest secondary, but it doesn’t matter because thier defensive front seven is the best in the league. Plus the coaching & schemes are fantastic
Any concerned about having CJ37-Mitchell-Branch-Routt as your 4 starters in the backfield should ask yourselves what a qualified coach with free reign might be able to accomplish with guys like ShoNasty, Houston, Seymour, Kelly, Groves, McClain & Wimbley!
July 6th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Haha jhill my friend glad to see you bring your reverse expertise on the DT issue! Notice i said first half then shut down? Punked him to the point the announcers spoke on it. 10-10 score and ended 31-10….thank you. As for Indy game did they not play dime? But as I said yesterday juustice happened and I was glad for Dominic….we did him wrong for scrubathon Farglass. Name the game other than Indy we didnt use 4-3 as our base……yeah ill wait….NEXT!
July 6th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Y’all I don’t know what we we’re going to do with Bauce in here. When it comes to our D he is the most hardheaded stubborn critter in these here parts.
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TJ,
that was a weak attempt at humor by impersonating a Podunkian. Please don’t ever try that again – leave it to the professionals
I am curious to hear your take on bringing Kirk Morrison back to replace Wimbley or Groves at OLB …
July 6th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Kell, ever notice how Brien personifies every negative stereotype of Raider fans? Makes you wonder if he’s really the one who’s a fan of another team…
July 6th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Beecher im not an unknown on this blog. Ppl have met me seen my face. I even put up my email for folks if they got a problem with me. Now you are just a ghost. Wont come to games or anything to run your trap. I will and shall continue to show my face. You’ve never called anyone out uunless its to go to your fairy loving faux cruise boat. Since 08 ive called you out and archives back me up not you
July 6th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
I don’t have access to a replay of that game, but I remember that RoMac got completely fooled on that long Chris Johnson TD run and de-cleated. I don’t remember any kind of hold on that play. If he was in position, that play would have been 8 to 10 yards at worst.
Go back and see that Branch and Huff led the team in tackles. These guys aren’t the guys you want leading the team in tackles. Still too many sloppy plays on D.
Well if RoMac was held a lot early last year, it was partly his fault in not understanding the technique that O-Linemen use to cheat. He needs to take those martial arts classes (like Kirk) and karate chop their arms.
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G123 settin’em up & knockin’em down!
July 6th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Since 08 ive called you out
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BAUCE,
you’ve been waiting 3 years to fight Beeecham?
How hard is it to find the guy at Raider games blasting Pat Benatar, The Divinyls or Blondie on his boombox ???
July 6th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
I’m not against bringing back Capn Kirk. With the improvements on the front 4, I think he could be a nice rotational guy. And he the price should be right for him.
July 6th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
RRs….he doesnt go to games
July 6th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Brien, every single negative stereotype of Raider fans, you personify. Every last one.
July 6th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
He will wanna blast Modest Mouse or Culture Club
July 6th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Brian the Genital, you can whine and cry all you want about your famous blog personality, but how come you won’t come to Ritz pool where I hang out everyday?
Instead you hilariously want to meet at an unknown game when there isn’t even a season scheduled.
Doesn’t really add up, now does it, Brian? Don’t worry, the whole blog knows it doesn’t and gets a good laugh at your expense every time you try.
As even further enticement, I’ve promised that when your beat down is complete, I’ll let you hang with my ladies and me, serve us shrimp cocktails and even have a few Mai Tais from the PARTYBRO 8500.
You’ll owe me $18 for each drink, but you can keep the official Beeecham commemorative glass.
Go ahead, now’s the time for your classic little girl duck and run routine. The one we see every time!
Holla!
July 6th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Thank you MR
July 6th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
And the Raiders’ PR department thanks you, Brien. You and people like you are part of the reason people don’t attend Raider games. That and the poor management, losing, etc.
July 6th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Dummy there will be a season….its okay Boy George Beecher you dont wanna chunk em
July 6th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
MR keep the kudos to the Bauce coming my friend
July 6th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
1-800-RAIDERS!
BUY SEASON TICKETS!
COME TO GAMES, TO GET ACCOSTED SEVERAL TIMES AND POSSIBLY EVEN ASSAULTED! PERHAPS YOUR CHILDREN, TOO! BE PART OF THE RAIDER TRADITION!
Thank you, Brien.
July 6th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Hey Beecher if there is no season I’ll either work on your faux party boat or just go to the Southland and smack you at the 3rd street Promenade area or what have you. Wont be first jcat ive slept there…..deal?
July 6th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
RR, Brian the Genital has been pretending to want to fight for years now. Yet he loves to avoid coming to my Ritz pool party even though he knows which freeway will take him directly to my doorstep.
Just gotta love that nutty – and scared – Kelly Family!
BUSTA RHYMES AIN’T BIG PIMPIN
July 6th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
You should change your name to MR Rules! Ur hilarious!
July 6th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
In other words Boy George Beecher I’ll take that as a no….i sure you dont want yyour hair or makeup to get messed over. I hear ya……keep on with tthe keep on lol
July 6th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
You’ve slept with how many jcats at the 3rd St. Promenade?
Anyway, the invitation is always open and feel free to bring your grandpa Krappy as well. Not only can you two fools make a cool $60 (combined) by working one of my critically acclaimed Reggae Party Cruises, but my customers will enjoy seeing Krappy do the Charleston right off the side of the boat into the Pacific.
You two dudes need your own comedy sitcom, seriously. I’ll get one my ladies started on a treatment after we get back from Islands.
July 6th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
MR most despise you on this site but I dont…..i find your hatred for Al and your lies very entertaining….I say we need 20 more MRs in here and Comedy Central will have some competition
July 6th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
No slept meaning knocked out….come on Beecher keep up with today’s lingo and shake that late 9!s style of slang….thanks
July 6th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Beecher you are now in the MR ZONE….A GUY WHO WAVED THE WHITE FLAG AND DOESNT WANNA GET SCRAPED. Fine I wont be a bully…..you like MR i now find hilarious lol….please carry on it will amuse me
July 6th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
So speaking of lies…..MR how is that theory on Elway going? You never responded back….what, did I cripple you that bad?
July 6th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Brien, I guarantee you that you drive away more potential ticket buyers in one day of posting your promises of violent encounters at games than I have in a lifetime of Al bashing.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
I think the 2 block Walker missed each game cost us a top 10 offense.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Soon we’ll read about Brien in the News. With his head kicked open in the parking lot, ala Mr Brian Stow.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Brien, we all know what John Elway really thinks of the Raiders. Pulling up whatever lip service he was paying to Al Davis merely to play nice and not start problems doesn’t change it. Kell posted some pretty damning comments Al had for the Raiders, that a few token compliments toward Al by Elways aren’t going to refute.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Damning comments Elway had for the Raiders…not Al. Ugh. Proofread, proofread…
July 6th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Maybe the 2 runs Dmac didn’t take to the house ost us 3 or 4 wins. After all it is a 48 minute game.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Nooooo no no noooooo MR….COME ON BUDDY….WE TALKIN THE BLATANT LIE about Elway wouldnt go play for Al and Flores…..you did say that right?
July 6th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Dmac<——-dopest player on roster and we still underused cuzz cuzz
July 6th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
MR you are now denying you and Kell didnt insinuate Elway wouldnt go and play for the Raiders? Dont be a democrat and flip flop now
July 6th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
And didnt you also say the NFL offenses in the late 80s were becoming wco style? lol
July 6th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
“The fastest way to ruin a quarterback is to put him on a bad team, with a bad line, with no weapons, with no continuity in the coaching staff…That pretty much describes the current Raiders. The game has passed Al Davis by, and he’s the only one who doesn’t know it. Every time the Raiders get a good coach — Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Norv Turner, etc. — who doesn’t buy into Al’s outdated program, he fires him. It’s this kind of organizational instability that can ruin a quarterback, like the Texans ruined David Carr and the Browns ruined Tim Couch. A young quarterback, especially a No. 1 guy with the weight of a city’s expectations on his shoulders, can wilt. A young quarterback needs a calm, steady influence on and off the field. The first three years for an NFL quarterback are rocky no matter what. He needs a coach to teach him the game of football and a kind of father figure to nurture him and get him through the tough times off the field. Too bad JaMarcus didn’t have the leverage I had in 1983; then he could’ve avoided the Raiders all together. …I feel for JaMarcus. Physically, he has it all. He’s an unbelievable talent — strong arm, tall, big. In the right situation, he could have a great NFL career. In Oakland, he has almost no chance.”
July 6th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Jeopardy music for MR…..come on and we arent at the daily double yet!
July 6th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Brien, I don’t believe Elway would have played for the Raiders. Even though the Raiders were still good when Elway was drafted, he was certainly in the loop and knew of the chaotic environment that ensued in Oakland. Certainly he knew what happened to Ken Stabler, the last QB that was drafted in Oakland. Al ran him out for Dan Pastorini. Elway knows that. And Elway knows that you have to throw some high percentage passes to win in this game. Can’t just fire the ball downfield every down, the way Al likes. Elway knew he would have been dealt away just like Stabler if he started working the short field instead of the vertical. Not to mention, again, the chaos in Oakland. Elway was never a party animal. Sure, he started hitting the celeb spots after his divorce, but look how fast he got remarried? Even if to a Raider cheerleader, lol. Elway is not a Raider, at least not an Al Davis Raider. I’d say Elway could have been a Gruden or Kiffin Raider, though. I mean, if you think Gannon’s been harsh on Davis lately. Just imagine how Elway would have reacted to the chaos in Los Angeles in the late ’80s. I could see Elway in the huddle, looking at Nick Bell…”uh, where’s Marcus?”
July 6th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Kell no one disputed what elway said about raiders in 08….thats not whats in question….come on eduucated brotha….keep up
July 6th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Lol MR…YOU BELIEVE THAT?……. last week we already showed you that was a lie per 09 quotes from Elway from Sac Bee lol
July 6th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
So what u two use quotes from 08 but ignore one from 09? Something is rotten in the cotton lol
July 6th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
I think it was lip service, Brien. Usually when someone says both good and bad things about someone, the bad are true. The good are to play nice and not start trouble. They’re formalities. The bad is the truth. Elway has bashed Al and the Raiders so definitively that one would have to be insane to think Elway would have ever played for Al.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Jamarcus Russell = 14 months unemployed and counting…
July 6th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Marcus was finished being a 300 rush attempt player MR….he wasnt elite anymore and Al tried to save that ungrateful b-tch from further embarrassment buut he wouldnt have it. Notice Marcus never clipped 1000 again in hjis career…coincidence? I think not
July 6th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Jamarcus Russell is so great his life coach quit on him citing his lack of motivation and all around laziness… yup he could be great…
July 6th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Brien, example..
John Madden says Al Davis is his best friend, thanks Al for his career. That’s a formality.
Here’s the truth:
Madden spends hardly any time around Al. Spends more time with the Niners. Madden has expressed disgust several times over the years as to how the Raiders approach the game, especially during SB 37. We all know Al Davis is the Raiders, Brien. So if Madden’s dissing the Raiders…he’s dissing Al. That’s the truth. That’s the way Madden really feels about Al and the Raiders. Showing up to preseason games with a Raider hat on is a formality.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Brien, run that by Elway. Explain to John Elway, your Raiders’ QB in the late ’80s, that you want him benched. See what he says. See if he does the loyal Raider thing, and says “yes Al”. This is John Elway we’re talking about, not Jason Campbell.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Oh now its lip service hahahahahahahaha….democrat style MR
July 6th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Explain to Elway that you want Marcus benched, is what I meant. Ugh. Why can’t we edit, Jerry?
July 6th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Yes, it’s lip service, Brien. It’s common sense style. If Democrats have more common sense than Republicans, so be it.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Marcus was on decline…do you not get that guys? When Bo came Marcus still got alot of carries. He couldnt carry the load anymore……plain and simple
July 6th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Al Davis has LOST 57% of his games since 1989, that’s the Bottom Line.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
“John you’re a young qb and we wanna protect you with a dynamic running game so we drafted heisman trophy winner Bo Jackson to team up with Marcus Allen”…..easy and Elway would have agreed
July 6th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
And Kell you had 100 pct control of your bowels since 89
July 6th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Elway finally got a dynamic rb game his last 4 seasons in the league….think Elway would be against a light demotion of an aging back?
July 6th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Al Davis has LOST 57% of his games since 1989, that’s the Bottom Line.
And, the Bootlicking Society cannot spin out of that.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
RAIDER Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Yes, it’s lip service, Brien. It’s common sense style. If Democrats have more common sense than Republicans, so be it.
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Both parties can be full of schit….its just one party pretends to be good guys but really are devils
July 6th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Al Davis has LOST 57% of his games since 1989, that’s the Bottom Line.
And, the Bootlicking Society cannot spin out of that.
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When have us Al Davis guys ever said we havent been losing lately? Spin that
July 6th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Sources who were part of the team say that in the late 1980s and early ’90s Davis ordered Raiders coaches to limit Allen’s playing time, often in favor of far less effective runners. Steve Smith and others say that Davis sometimes ordered that quarterbacks not throw the ball to Allen. “The other players had heard so much about this ‘family’ thing, but then we saw what happened to Marcus,” says Ronnie Lott, who played safety for the Raiders in 1991 and ‘92. “All of a sudden, the guy who was Mr. Raider wasn’t part of the family. We wondered, How can you not play your best player?”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/2/index.htm
July 6th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Sources who were part of the team say that in the late 1980s and early ’90s Davis ordered Raiders coaches to limit Allen’s playing time, often in favor of far less effective runners. Steve Smith and others say that Davis sometimes ordered that quarterbacks not throw the ball to Allen. “The other players had heard so much about this ‘family’ thing, but then we saw what happened to Marcus,” says Ronnie Lott, who played safety for the Raiders in 1991 and ‘92. “All of a sudden, the guy who was Mr. Raider wasn’t part of the family. We wondered, How can you not play your best player?”
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How was Marcus our best player in fking 1991? Really be serious now
July 6th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
And I agree with Al dogging Mucus…. he shoulda been a team player and not a biiiiiatch
July 6th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
How was Marcus our best player in fking 1991? Really be serious now
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Ask Ronnie Lott you dumb mfkr, it’s a direct quote!
July 6th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
And I agree with Al dogging Mucus…. he shoulda been a team player and not a biiiiiatch
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Of course you do, Bootlicker.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Ronnie Lott is a former USC teammate….think about it you dummy
July 6th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Mucus didnt wanna be a team player…had that stuck up n*gga attitude that even you carry to this day…..likes to bang other fellow raider employees women and had nerve to talk a little schit to Al about it…..GOOD FOR AL
July 6th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Mucus was upset over Bo being there and didnt understand he couldnt carry the ball 300 times anymore. Mucus couldnt handle that Bo was the new more exciting player
July 6th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Mucus had exactly 1000 yards less rushing from the MVP 85 season to 86 season. Is that not a reason for concern?
July 6th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Brien, someone would have had to explain to Elway that Marcus was on decline. Don’t you get it? Elway is not going to play for an NFL team where the GM wields that much power. He’s going to play for a team where the QB has a great deal of say. Marcus was better than any of those chumps Al tried to put in for him when Bo was still playing baseball. You don’t think Elway has a problem with that? You think Elway rolls with it because he’s a loyal Raider? ha ha ha!!!!
July 6th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
1987 Mucus played in 12 games and averaged 3.8 a carry on 2000 carries
Bo had 550 yards on like 80 carries for 6.8
What’s the complain again?
July 6th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
But Davis’s abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/2/index.htm
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Here you go Brien, Bootlicker.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Regarding Bo and Marcus, btw, Marcus Allen was a better all around football player than Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson was just a far more powerful and explosive runner. When it came to pure RB skills, Bo was clearly better. Maybe one of the best ever in the league. But Marcus Allen was a better all around football player than Bo Jackson, when it came to all offensive back intangibles.
July 6th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Brien, it doesn’t matter what you or Al think of Marcus. If Elway is our QB, it only matters what he thinks of Marcus. If he liked Marcus, and Al benches him, Elways going right to the press, and looking for a way out of Los Angeles. Period. Al’s view doesn’t matter. Elway’s the type of QB who takes command of personnel as well as field issues. He would never tolerate a meddler like Al. The way Elway sees it, it’s his offense.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
1988 Mucus plays 15 games had 831 yards for 3.7 a carry on 223 attempts
Bo had 136 attempts for averaging 4.3 a carry 580 yards
what’s the complaint?
July 6th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Kirk Morrison started at WLB as a rookie and took over the middle when they traded Hammerhead or cut him. Morrison would be a welcomed addition as long as he’s not at MLB again. IMO He just can’t key the way I like MLB to. He sees things late and is mostly a drag down tackler.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Mucus didnt wanna be a team player…had that stuck up n*gga attitude
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I doubt John Elway sees it that way. He’s a football player who’s concerned about moving the chains, scoring points, and winning games. And the first time he comes to the huddle and sees some scrub like Nick Bell or Ty Montgomery in there for Marcus, he’s walking right back to the sideline and taking a spot on the bench. Then he’s scolding Al in a press conference after the game.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Brien, it doesn’t matter what you think of Marcus Allen. It only matters what Elway thinks. Do you have any quotes of Elway where he shares your views on Marcus? Until you come up with any, we’re to assume these are just your views, and not Elways. And judging by what we all know about Elway and his personality, he would never tolerate Marcus Allen being benched for a scrub, just because Al doesn’t like him. That’s when Elway goes Gannon on Al.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
I don’t think it was Bo Jackson that bothered Marcus Allen, it was sitting behind Roger Craig, and Eric Dickerson.
Roger Craig for Gawdsakes! Eric Dickerson was waaaay over the Hill.
Brien, I doubt if you even saw any of those games. STFU.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Marcus tore a knee ligament in 1989 so whats the blame there again? Wasnt he put in IR?
July 6th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
I don’t think it was Bo Jackson that bothered Marcus Allen, it was sitting behind Roger Craig, and Eric Dickerson.
Roger Craig for Gawdsakes! Eric Dickerson was waaaay over the Hill.
Brien, I doubt if you even saw any of those games. STFU.
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I agree Rogher Craig and Erick dickerson were bums but Mucus had b_tched up by then and was deserving his treatment
July 6th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Mr Davis and Marcus had serious differences later. But when he first got hurt he did try to limit his carries in Marcus’s best interest but he interpreted as some demotion. It wasn’t he did the same thing to Tim Brown when he wascoming off injuries he always did that.
In some serious way Marcus betrayed Mr Davis and it had nothing to do with football. It was personal those with the best clues said he slept with OJ’s wife. And I also think I think Mr Davis warned him about something that he ignored and it really pissed him off still to this day he wont speak about it publicly but Marcus tries to make the public think he has no idea when he knows exactly what he did and why Mr Davis soured on him.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Yes I saw those games Kell……Pops, Grandpops and Uncles werent having anything else….now you STFU
July 6th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Kell and MR what was the issue in 90 now? Mucus was coming off of a major knee injury but still got a good amount of carries and scored 12 TDs! So what was the problem now?
July 6th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
From 87-90 with Bo Jackson there….exactly tell me what Al did that was so wrong to Mucus?
July 6th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Marcus Allen carried the Raiders for years, almost single-handedly. He doesn’t owe “Mr Davis” one gawdamned thing, Bootlickers!
July 6th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Mr Davis and Marcus had serious differences later. But when he first got hurt he did try to limit his carries in Marcus’s best interest but he interpreted as some demotion. It wasn’t he did the same thing to Tim Brown when he wascoming off injuries he always did that.
In some serious way Marcus betrayed Mr Davis and it had nothing to do with football. It was personal those with the best clues said he slept with OJ’s wife. And I also think I think Mr Davis warned him about something that he ignored and it really pissed him off still to this day he wont speak about it publicly but Marcus tries to make the public think he has no idea when he knows exactly what he did and why Mr Davis soured on him.
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Mucus was lambin off limits women is what the problem was….he went over the line with teammates women and then did someone who was close to Al…..only a woman can be involved for it to be that deep
July 6th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Yes I saw those games Kell……Pops, Grandpops and Uncles werent having anything else….now you STFU
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I’m not talking about yo daddy or granddaddy, I’m talking about YOU, pootbutt.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Marcus Allen carried the Raiders for years, almost single-handedly. He doesn’t owe “Mr Davis” one gawdamned thing, Bootlickers!
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Marcus Carried the Raiders? I’ll agree he was our best offensive player until the 85 playoffs commenced but carried? No. Raiders still had a good qb and had dope players all over…spare me your lies
July 6th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Al Davis has LOST 57% of his games since 1989, that’s the Bottom Line.
And, the Bootlicking Society cannot spin out of that. No need to Hate on Marcus Allen.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Yes I saw those games Kell……Pops, Grandpops and Uncles werent having anything else….now you STFU
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I’m not talking about yo daddy or granddaddy, I’m talking about YOU, pootbutt.
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If I’m around my relatives on Sundays what the hell you think is on TV?
July 6th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Al Davis has LOST 57% of his games since 1989, that’s the Bottom Line.
And, the Bootlicking Society cannot spin out of that. No need to Hate on Marcus Allen.
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Yes every reason to hate Mucus the traitor
July 6th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Notice no answers for my questions? Kell as usual I ace you everytime
Damn shame you are hella older than me and still cant combat with the Bauce
July 6th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
You and MR blatantly lied on if elway woyuld have played hre and clearly in 2009 he said he was…..but you wanna run away from that
July 6th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
But Davis’s abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/2/index.htm
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The Proud Bootlicking Society.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
RAIDER Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Brien, someone would have had to explain to Elway that Marcus was on decline. Don’t you get it? Elway is not going to play for an NFL team where the GM wields that much power. He’s going to play for a team where the QB has a great deal of say. Marcus was better than any of those chumps Al tried to put in for him when Bo was still playing baseball. You don’t think Elway has a problem with that? You think Elway rolls with it because he’s a loyal Raider? ha ha ha!!!!
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It was easy to show Mucus was on decline…he got over 4000 touches in 85 and sharply declined the next season and got hurt and got hurt again in 87. You think elway doesnt want all hands on deck?
Name the chumps in the 80s he was playing over Mucus…please
July 6th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Kell…..the man needed his shoes wiped….no problem with that….guy prolly was a bz and b_tch that he didnt respect. Al is the man
July 6th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Kell…..the man needed his shoes wiped….no problem with that….guy prolly was a bz and b_tch that he didnt respect. Al is the man
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You’re a natural Bootlicker, inherited?
July 6th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
http://www.nfltouchdown.com/al-davis-the-rebirth-of-a-great-mastermind/
Love him or hate him, you have heard of him. Raiders owner/general managing partner Al Davis has been in the NFL since the AFL days when he was an assistant coach of the Chargers. In 1963, he became head coach and GM of the Oakland Raiders and nothing was ever the same again. The Raiders went from 1-13 in 1962 to 10-4 in 1963, Al Davis’ first year with the team. Davis created the most dominant team of the era. The Raiders had the highest winning percentage in the NFL from the 1970’s to the present and the Raiders went to 5 Super Bowls, winning 3 in 1976, 1980 and 1983.
But somewhere along the line, Al Davis lost control of his franchise. In the 1990s, the Raiders made 3 playoff appearances in the whole decade, the one decade that the Raiders have never played a Super Bowl in. Davis seemed to get a grip when he hired Jon Gruden and signed Rich Gannon who joined a team that had Tim Brown and Charles Woodson already on the roster. The Raiders stopped the losing ways of the 1990s and won 3 straight AFC West titles from 2000-2002. After being sent home by “The Tuck Rule” game in 2001, Jon Gruden was traded and his offensive coordinator, Bill Callahan, took the team to the Super Bowl in the 2002 season only to lose to the man the Raiders traded. Then the losing ways returned.
For the last 7 years, the Raiders have compiled the worst record in the NFL since 2003. 7 years in a row have seen the Raiders lose at least 11 games. The common denominator of these 7 years: Al Davis. Davis was not helping his case, although he didn’t need to because he was his own boss as the Raiders majority owner. Davis traded for guys like Randy Moss and DeAngelo Hall, signed guys like Kwame Harris, Javon Walker, Aaron Brooks and hired coaches like Lane Kiffin. All of the previous listed men didn’t care at all about being a Raider as evidenced by their lack-luster performances.
But it appears that Al Davis may have snapped back into it. The Raiders (Al Davis) released 2007’s #1 overall draft pick, JaMarcus Russell, the Raiders (Al Davis) has drafted proven players out of college as opposed to combine stars in the 1st round. Drafting guys like Rolando McClain in round 1 instead of Bruce Campbell (who fell to round 4 where Davis got him).
Remember when Al Davis came to Oakland back in 1963. He took a 1-13 team and turned them into a 10-4 team. Although Al Davis is a reason, not THE reason, but a reason his team has become a doormat the last 7 years, he may be the man to pull this team out of the shadows and back into the playoffs. The old Al Davis may be rising from the ashes, and the other 31 teams in the NFL should be afraid if this is the case.
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Let’s play the link game shall we Kell?
July 6th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
“If you need a friend, there’s no better friend than Al Davis. He’s my best friend. I’ve always said that if I even needed anything and I had one phone call, it would be to Al Davis. ”
John Madden
July 6th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
“He was one of the great coaches I have ever observed … a truly great coach, had he chosen to remain in coaching, he would be considered one of the great coaches of all time.” Bill Walsh
July 6th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
“Al Davis is the smartest man I ever met”
Bill Parcells
July 6th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
“The Raiders were about giving people second chances, they were about giving chances to people the mainstream wouldn’t give a chance. They had a willingness to look beyond the color of someone’s skin, reputation, and beyond someone’s past. I see a willingness to do things the Raiders’ way, not the way society dictates. Look at what Al Davis has done. He hired the first Hispanic head coach (Tom Flores), the first black head coach (Art Shell), and now me(first woman executive). It’s not a coincidence. People in sports talk a lot about inclusiveness and giving people opportunities. While they talk, I only see one person doing it. Al is the last person on Earth who’d do this for a pat on the back. A pat on the back would annoy him. He does it for the right reasons.” Amy Trask
July 6th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
“I love being a Raider. I grew up liking them. My family members were BIG Raiders fans and for me, to have the opportunity to play for them is like a dream come true. I like everything about them…the Black and Silver…the fans…the commitment to excellence… Al Davis… I like everything about the Raiders!”
Tory James
July 6th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Brien, as far as I know, John Elway doesn’t share your criticism of Marcus Allen.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
“Al Davis is a legend and his contribution and influence on the game of football, the National Football League, and the Oakland Raiders has been profound for decades. To view his contribution and influence on a season-by-season basis does not make sense: he has dominated the industry for a lifetime. I can’t tell you how he may have impacted or guided other individuals during their careers but I can speak from personal experience: he inspires me to be better every day than I was the day before.”
Amy Trask
July 6th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Al Davis has LOST 57% of his games since 1989, that’s the Bottom Line. Not what happened in the 60’s -70’s.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
So, therefore, John Elway would have reacted quite harshly to Marcus being benched, as far as we know, right? I mean, Marcus went into KC and was their starter, right? Mary Shottenheimer (Raider killer his whole career) called Marcus Allen his best player, didn’t he? So, if Marcus was good enough for that, surely Elway wants him as his tail back before Bo arrives from the KC Royals, right, Brien? Brien, you have to think realistically.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
“My only Regret is that I played in Los Angeles so late in my career. Al Davis was very loyal and encouraging to all his players when I was there.”
Lyle Alzado
July 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
“When it comes to being a gentleman, when it comes to treating their players like men, when it comes to being champions-no other team comes close…Everything stems from Al Davis, everything. He’s the kind of guy you want on your side.”
John Matusak
July 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Ha ha. I called him Mary Shottenheimer. Yes, that too was a typo. But that’s hilarious. Have fun with that one. My point still stands.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
“There were a number of games in those days that were going to be played in the South that I refused to play in. And he (Al Davis) canceled them. That told me what type of individual I was dealing with.”
Art Powell
July 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
“I always tell people that I was extremely fortunate to play for three of the greatest coaches ever: Webb Ewbank, Hank Stram and Al Davis.”
Cotton Davidson
July 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Calm down, Brian the Genital. You’re obviously STILL very agitated since I finished administering your daily beat down / whipping.
Krappy, that wasn’t very nice to compare your grandson Brian the Genital to Brian Stow.
And I’m sure it’s comforting to your 0 clients at Kane & Associates that you call family members “bootlickers” on a football blog.
SHOUT OUT TO MY BROTHA ICE T
July 6th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
For the last 7 years, the Raiders have compiled the worst record in the NFL since 2003. 7 years in a row have seen the Raiders lose at least 11 games. The common denominator of these 7 years: Al Davis. Davis was not helping his case, although he didn’t need to because he was his own boss as the Raiders majority owner. Davis traded for guys like Randy Moss and DeAngelo Hall, signed guys like Kwame Harris, Javon Walker, Aaron Brooks and hired coaches like Lane Kiffin. All of the previous listed men didn’t care at all about being a Raider as evidenced by their lack-luster performances.
http://www.nfltouchdown.com/al-davis-the-rebirth-of-a-great-mastermind/
July 6th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Brien, you couldn’t have come up with 2 people whose personalities were further from John Elway’s than the tooz and Lyle. come on. Brien, think. Think. Use that head. You’re thinking like a fan. You’re not basing your views on reality.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
“He is always for the players, so it was really easy to play for him and want to win for him.”
Rod Sherman
July 6th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
“I still feel very close to Al Davis…It’s always been like a father-son relationship.”
Ray Guy
July 6th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Brien, John Elway is more like Gannon than he is the Tooz or Lyle. Brien, why are you killing your credibility like this? You’re using priest and hayez strategies. They’re blindly loyal fans, admittedly. They’re biased, admittedly. Heck, Hayez even admitted a few days ago that he only talks up players because their Raiders, and would diss them if they weren’t Raiders. He admitted this! Brien, don’t be like them. I’ve always taken you as a realist. I guess not.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
“I love the man(Al Davis). He’s true to the word. I’d die for the man. I love him to death.”
Mickey Marvin
July 6th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Al Davis has LOST 57% of his games since 1989, that’s the Bottom Line.
Sports is about winning & losing.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
“In 1976, I was casted as Apollo Creed. It was the role that changed my acting career. In 1970, I met a man who changed my life forever. That year I became a part of Al Davis’s legendary Oakland Raiders organization as a rookie linebacker.”
Carl Weathers
July 6th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Brien, Elway never would have played for the Raiders! Never, ever, ever ever ever (Chris Tucker voice).
July 6th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
“Al Davis is ahead of his time in everything he does. His innovations in offense was fantastic. He’s an all-around football man.”
Jim Otto
July 6th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
“Al had great vision. He could see down where the game was headed or where it should be headed.”
Tom Flores
July 6th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
“A lot of people think of Al Davis as a maverick. He’s also a maverick in opening up opportunities for minorities.”
Brad Pye, Jr., Former AFL administrative assistant, first African-American administrator in football
July 6th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Brien, comparing Weathers to Elway, now? Weathers isn’t known for being a football player, and there’s a reason for it. He sucked, Brien. He’s known for being Apollo Creed in Rocky, because he’s an actor. Brien, come on. Stop it, Brien.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
“I’d say he’s a trailblazer. He had no color barrier.”
Dr. Aaron C. Wade, former AFL official, first African-American official
July 6th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
“Hiring (minority) coaches, players, this is something he did over the years. This is not something new where he came to some politically correctness in the 1990s.”
Willie Lanier
July 6th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
“I think Al Davis opened up the game up. I think he opened the game up for the African- American athlete.”
Dennis Green
July 6th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
“He’s a pioneer, in terms of getting black players to play and letting them be the best they can be.”
Willie Brown
July 6th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Al Davis has LOST 57% of his games since 1989, that’s the Bottom Line.
Sports is ultimately about winning & losing.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
“I came to know Al as someone that lived by a certain code and this code was to judge everybody by their content of their character and capabilities and nothing else. That’s the code that I detected at the time and I think it’s stayed with him throughout the years.”
Bernie Custis, Black quarterback and teammate of Al Davis at Syracuse University, 1948-50
July 6th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
“It was Sid Gilman and Al Davis who said here’s an opportunity to give these people (black players) a chance to play.”
Gene Upshaw
July 6th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
“Al found a ton of good players in the black schools.”
George Atkinson
July 6th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
“Al’s word was important. If he’s tell you something, this is it.”
Eddie Robinson
July 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
“It’s hard to think he did it to help blacks. He was looking to give a guy an opportunity whether he was black or white.”
Lance Alworth
July 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Great news, dweebs!
I just found a Krappy look-alike to work my Reggae Party Cruise this Sat night!
The dude is slow, overweight and had trouble spelling his name during the audition at the Ritz pool. Furthermore he’s a racist, completely uneducated and doubles up on Depends before he fox trots.
He’ll be shining my yacht’s anchor with a Q Tip in a few minutes, so I’ll let you know if he passes the final test.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
“Al has always said the golden rule is not good enough. That is, ‘Don’t treat people the way you would like to be treated, treat people how they want to be treated.’’
Al LoCasale
July 6th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
“He’s a very passionate guy. He believes if you’re good to him then he’ll be good to you. I think players like the idea of being loyal to be something.”
Mike Haynes
July 6th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
“I think the world of Mr. Davis. He’s been good for the league and the players. He’s been great to me. I know the feeling is mutual. The style of play suited me with the long pass. We made it work together. It was a lot of fun.”
Jim Plunkett
July 6th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
The record speaks louder than your spamming, Brien.
See you guys later.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
“I personally like Al Davis a lot. He’s a great owner and he’s great to play for as long as you play hard. The reason why I like Al is because he’s dedicated to winning. He’s a football guy.”
Jack Tatum
July 6th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
”Before I came here, there was always the rumors of the “Al Davis Factor”. Since becoming a Raider two years ago, I have nothing but the utmost respect for Mr. Davis. He’s only owner in the league that truly has an understanding of a coach’s position. And that’s a real benefit to us.”
Chuck Bresnahan
July 6th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
“Big Al is a stud. He really cares about his players. Al Davis is a good man. Aside from what the media thinks. I wish everyone had a chance to meet him face to face and see what he is really like.”
Jeremy Brigham
July 6th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
“I’ve enjoyed the relationship that I have with him (Al Davis). He’s been very good to me as a person and as a player on the team. I’ve really enjoyed being with the Raiders and his organization.”
Greg Biekert
July 6th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
“I like Mr. Davis a lot. I respect him. He’s just a straight forward guy and he tells it like it is. He understands what you want and you must understand what he wants. We have a good relationship. “
Marcus Ray
July 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Brian the Genital is MELTING DOWN!
This is so awesome. Let the show continue!
July 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
“I think that Mr. Davis is one of the fathers of the game of football. Think of what he did for the AFL and build it to what it is. How he talked about the long ball and brought a certain toughness to the NFL, the Silver and Black and what it represents. You have to look back and think about all of the men who gave everything for the sport of football and you have to mention him as one of the pioneers of the game.”
Ronnie Lott
July 6th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
“ I think no offense to ESPN or anybody else, you don’t know Al Davis like the players do. The media gets it wrong a lot. Most of his playes looked up to him “ Otis Sistrunk.
July 6th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
“It’s more of a personal thing to where you come in and you have respect for let’s say the tradition of the Raiders. You go to San Diego, which they had some tradition but not as intense as the Raiders. First of all our Raider fans, I’ve seen fans all through college, the World League and other teams that we play against and it’s amazing how our fans are, the intensity of our fans. It just gives you a totally different outlook for the team you play for, more so ever it’s a sense of pride to be able to be affiliated with a team like the Raiders and say your part of them, the family. Mr. Davis, do you know how much he has done for the NFL. He stands there on the sidelines shaking your hand and wishing you good luck, do you know how many guys would like to have that opportunity?”
Leo Araguz
July 6th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
“I’m very excited . Who doesn’t want to be a Raider? If you talk to 90 percent of the guys in the college ranks and in pro football, everybody wants to be a Raider. Coming out of college (Nebraska in 1984), they were one of the teams I wanted to play for. Who wouldn’t want to wear the silver and black?”
Irving Fryar
July 6th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
“I work for a man who is gender-blind, he’s color-blind, age-blind. He walks the walk of equality of opportunity. In this organization, your race, your gender and your age are irrelevant. Either you are a Raider or you are not.”
Amy Trask
July 6th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Tradition is not a word but a style to him. He really believes once a Raider, always a Raider. Once a guy has played for us, whatever he needs, we do our best for him. But he does this quietly, not looking for publicity.”
Al LoCasale
July 6th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
“When I was released last week I made a call. It was to Al Davis. I left a message with his secretary for him to call me back. He didn’t call me back but his secretary called me back and she said, ‘Al thinks you would look good in silver and black.’ I called her back again and said, ‘let him know that I would do anything to be a Raider and I want to help him win another Super Bowl’ He called me later that night, we talked for about a half hour. I got off the phone thinking, this guy’s a football guy. This guy truly cares about his players and I’m excited at the opportunity to go out there and see what this organization is about and to possibly be a part of it.”
Bill Romanowski
July 6th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
“It was a great honor to come out and talk with Mr. (Al) Davis. I spent time with Bruce Allen and Amy (Trask) … there are always experiences that make you a better coach and give you a better insight either to yourself or your profession, and that was certainly one of them.”
Bill Belichick
July 6th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
And last, John Gruden from his book, “Do You Love Football?” published following the Bucs’ Super Bowl championship, Gruden described a Davis interview in detail:
“Al’s interview was not like any other I had been through before. He changed gears constantly. His questions went from left field to right field, from shortstop to second base,” Gruden wrote. “His interviewing technique was magnificent. It was a stimulating, awesome line of questioning from a man who knew all there is to know about the NFL, including the salary cap, which other owners, club executives and coaches still have a hard time figuring out. He had seen it all in football.. …”
July 6th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Didn’t John Elway marry a Raider?
July 6th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
“The greatness of the Raiders is in the future…”
Al Davis
July 6th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
http://raiderraza.blogspot.com/2006/01/god-bless-al-davis.html
All from this great site
July 6th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Kell wanted to bring up sources, ex employees and disgruntled players….well I countered it with a fatality….thank you
July 6th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Gotta give this one to Bauce!
July 6th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Have a great day gentlemen whether we agree on football moves or not lol
July 6th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Brian the Genital melts down all the time in the blog, but that was epic!
Shows you what can happen when a blogger get slapped around all morning then waves his white flag.
Sad, but hysterical!
July 6th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Gotta give this one to Bauce!
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Hendu,Seymour, Kelly and Bryant shall still win AFC west…how bout that?
July 6th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
LOL. still with the Hendu thing…sure we’ll win the AFC west! oooo yeeeeeeeeeeeeeea!
July 6th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Brian the Genital melts down all the time in the blog, but that was epic!
Shows you what can happen when a blogger get slapped around all morning then waves his white flag.
Sad, but hysterical!
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you got the email and the choices of games….but you used an excuse of the pending season or whatever lol. I even gave you an out if they isnt one I’d come to Santa Monica and 3rd street Promenade….hey and it ever Steve or work on that canoe errrr I mean party boat of yours……………..your move pal
July 6th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Didn’t John Elway marry a Raider?
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Cheerleaders dont count lol….their jsut area rips who can groove well lol
July 6th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Anyway guys this has truly been fun. I wanna thank everyone who I spoke with today. You made my day….now on to do some real stuff….bummer but it must be done…..catch yall later….JUST WIN
July 6th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
By the way. someone said that Pittsburgh has a POS secondary. Cmon Polamalu is a beast!
July 6th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Your move … Ha ha, priceless, Genital … Just priceless!
July 6th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Some real stuff, like clean out that damn milkshake machine so the drive thru line doesn’t back up. Get to it, Genital!
Dudes, my ladies just snuck a box of apple fritters into the jacuzzi, it’s getting wild and moist up in here.
Time to crank a little Berlin and let some of the girls ride on my metro, if you know what I mean.
A TWO DOLLA TRICK AND A FIDDY CENT PLAYA
July 6th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Give Al a break. He’s got 3 Super Bowls.
July 6th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
We put like 59 on the Donkeys!!! It’s not like Al hasn’t done his job of putting talent on the field.
July 6th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Good job witht he quotes, Bauce. I’d like to add another one that I think is particularly relevent.
“Everything I know about this game is directly attributable to what I learned working with Al Davis. I still think when it comes to every facet of the game of football, he’s the best there is in the National Football League. Al Davis took the time to train me. I was very fortunate to have that opportunity.”
- Ron Wolf
Are you out there, MR?
July 6th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Bauce great to see all the positive qoutes for a change. MR, you and Kell should try that some time.
July 6th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Beeecham could you please post a link of the pictures of the PARTYDUDE8000, girls, and boat?
July 6th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
MR I saw you post something the otherday about your Madden franchise. Care for a game? I’m on the ps3 as D0mRADR.
July 6th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
What is this? Brien’s top reasons why he loves Al Davis?!
July 6th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
OK Jerry. Al’s birthday is done.
Got anything else?
You’re good man!
Two posts on Prior and you had them arguing for about 1500 posts.
And all based on something that’s not going to happen.
I know it’s tough man, but you can do it Jerry.
Write something.
Got anything else?
July 6th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Bottom Line is, Al Davis has Lost 57% of his games as General Manager since 1989.
Sports is about wins & losses.
July 6th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Raiderfandork -
No problem, right after you post a link for pictures of your imaginary girlfriend, your imaginary job and your mom doing the dishes in a see thru Batman costume.
July 6th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Give Al a break. He’s got 3 Super Bowls.
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“That’s right. The Raiders never have to win another game”
-The Bootlicking Society.
July 6th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Beeecham- think that proves my point, really think anyone believes that B shizt. I simple asked a question, and I get an attacking response. Don’t you really mean VIBRATOR8000 in your azz, down by your little dingy w/ your girl(well dresses like one, big adams apple) watching. Simply pitaful, LMAO keepem comming got me in stiches, and just proved how much of a looser you are. fkin dork.
July 6th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Bye the way, I’m not bragging about my fantasy life. LMFAO
July 6th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Wow, that sure was easy to get under your skin, dork! Usually it takes a few posts to get a standard blog nerd to melt down, but I got you in record time.
I’m not saying you qualify yet to be one of my minions, but I’ll keep an eye on your progress and give you a fair opportunity.
btw – my ladies got a nice chuckle over your melt down also! thanks for the free entertainment …
July 6th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Alright dweebs, after watching yet another blog zero retreat in shame (have you ever seen the white flag raised so fast?), my work here for the day is done.
I’ll be chillin at James Beach with the ladies grinding on some rare ahi and kamikazis. Then over to the Reggae Party Boat for a midnight margarita cruise down to Javier’s in the Crystal Cove.
Hope you nerds get your homework done on time.
ZERO TO SIXTY IN HUNDRED DOLLA BILLS TWIZZLE
July 6th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Lmao are your ladies hormone induced breasts? Under my skin? No just sick of reading that total BS. Have to admit you had me going for awhile, but your no pic reply showed the truth. Nothing but full of shizt…and gizz.
July 6th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
No just sick of reading that total BS. Have to admit you had me going for awhile,
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Seriously????????
That explains alot.
July 6th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Nothing speaks to a man’s character than those who know him best. If you suck they’ll say it. That’s a whole lot of praise from some noted associates and friends and coaches.
July 6th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law
While Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s (R) law dismantling collective bargaining rights has harmed teachers, nurses, and other civil servants, it’s helping a different group in Wisconsinites — inmates. Prisoners are now taking up jobs that used to be held by unionized workers in some parts of the state.
As the Madison Capital Times reports, “Besides losing their right to negotiate over the percentage of their paycheck that will go toward health care and retirement, unions also lost the ability to claim work as a ‘union-only’ job, opening the door for private workers and evidently even inmates to step in and take their place.” Inmates are not paid for their work, but may receive time off of their sentences.
The law went into effect last week, and Racine County is already using inmates to do landscaping, painting, and another basic maintenance around the county that was previously done by county workers. The union had successfully sued to stop the country from using prison labor for these jobs last year, but with Walker’s new law, they have no recourse. Watch a report from Fox6 in Green Bay:
The Washington Examiner called Racine’s move “another success story” and “all great news for Wisconsin taxpayers. Hopefully, we’ll see more of it.” So far, it appears no other jurisdiction has followed Racine’s example — for now. It may just be a matter of time to allow existing union contracts to expire. The spokesperson for the Sheriff’s Office of Dane County, which includes Milwaukee, said, “Nobody in our jail will be benefiting…at this time” from the new law, but the left the door open for future changes.
While giving prisoners more work and activity options is generally positive, using free inmate labor to replace public sector workers is a disturbing trend.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/07/06/261319/scott-walker-prison-labor/
July 6th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Yeah Kelly seriously ….
July 6th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Priest – What do you think about Burress as a fa?
July 6th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Watching this Hard Knocks on the Jets and one thing really jumps out at me.
They are trying to get this Vlad Ducasse on the field in the preseason, and are giving him some run with the 1’s.
Now he was a 2nd round pick, a hard-working kid, and will probably be a very good O-lineman when his career is all done.
But HE IS AWFUL in the preseason to start his career. Twice in one game, he completely wiffed and let a guy blast Sanchez, and Sanchez turned out OK, but seemed hurt for a second.
That’s what scares me with our O-line and their youth. They might all turn out real good down the line, but Soup is going to get hit much harder than last year, at the beginning of next season. We have to pray Joe Barksdale doesn’t miss a blitz pickup, and we have Soup taking a cart ride like last preseason, only this time he is missing games.
Just part of learning on the job for a rookie O-lineman.
Hope Campbell has his dancing shoes.
July 6th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Well if an inmate can do about as good a job as some union clown, that’s a “you problem” for the union worker.
July 6th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Union workers spend money, which circulates through small business to large business.
Inmates don’t spend money, do not stimulate business.
July 6th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Well if an inmate can do about as good a job as some union clown, that’s a “you problem” for the union worker.
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I thought your “clients” were union workers?
July 6th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Not all of them, but most of them.
As long as someone is on the payroll, I could care less whether he was a two-time felon or a Harvard grad.
July 6th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Whatever that means………..
July 6th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
July 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Good post Kell
July 6th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Give Al a break. He’s got 3 Super Bowls.
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“That’s right. The Raiders never have to win another game”
-The Bootlicking Society.
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“The Raiders will go 5-11 or 6-10 at best!”
- KK and MR
July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Nope, KoolKell never said that. I think the Raiders can win 9, IF, the HueJax/Al Davis relationship holds up. And IF that reconstructed O-Line is at least as good as last year.
BIG IF.
July 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Nope, KoolKell never said that. I think the Raiders can win 9, IF, the HueJax/Al Davis relationship holds up. And IF that reconstructed O-Line is at least as good as last year.
BIG IF.
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Maybe not this year but definitely last year. I don’t feel like dredging through the archives, but you were bearish on the Raiders last season. Some one summon the official scribe.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Every Raider fan needs to pray 82 is as far as it goes for the Crypt Keeper…..we as fans deserve a real franchise. FREE THE RAIDERS!!
July 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
After NFL Losing Records Set, After The Last 7 Years, Yes, I’m Bearish.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Jason Campbell is not a playoff QB in the NFL. If the Raiders had a legit QB there would be a chance, as is, there is none.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
As John Madden has said hundreds of times, the NFL is a better and more interesting league when the Raiders are good.
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And John Madden would know. He is the smartest NFL person only second to Al in the world. The NFL is so hurting for a cleaned up image because of the lock out that it can only hope the Raiders good to restore its face. If the other 31 owners had a clue they would end this lock out and get back to work.
I know there are some who are going to say if Al was so smart why hasnt he won in a while. Well guess what, Al has three rings. How many do you have.. Besides, Al Davis is still a football fountain of knowledge weather you like it or not. If they gave Pulitzers for football minds, Al would own more of them than he has trophies.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
KK-comment 744,July 6,2011@7:14PM might be the best comment ever made on this site.Thank you.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Dan Land Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Every Raider fan needs to pray 82 is as far as it goes for the Crypt Keeper…..we as fans deserve a real franchise. FREE THE RAIDERS!!
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When dear Mr. Davis does leave us, I may cease to be a Raider fan anymore because of fans like who who infest the Nation I can no longer be a part of.
That is a horrible thing to say. Just exactly how will the Raiders be better when Mr. Davis is gone? Enlighten me. Or can you? I didn’t think so, unless your a closet hererra fan who thinks he’ll get it done. FIGURE IT OUT!
July 6th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Cornfucious say man who like to toss salad make good nutty buddy.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Herrera fan? So John Herrera will be running the show after the glorious day the Crypt Keeper passes…LOL! If you actually think that your not even worth talkning too. Al Davis is THE reason the Raider franchise is the laughingstock of the NFL. When he dies someone legit will take the reigns and we all shall be happy again. You may not, cus you are not a Raider fan, your an Al Davis fan. Big diff.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
KK
I feel ya, but isn’t it better to be accurate than bearish?
July 6th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Someone legit will take the reigns? really, like who? Such a broad statement that really says alot. Like who is legit enough to step in Al Davis shoes to fill them? And the Raiders are hardly the laughingstock of the league. The NFL is the laughingstock along with the greedy 31 owners.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
The Raiders are and have been te laughingstock of the NFL for the last 10 years…100% because of Al Davis.
ANYONE who takes over would be an upgrade over Al Davis. The dude is senile and must be put out to pasture.
July 6th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
mrs,mr danland,all rolled into one,you are scum,period!IMO Word that comes to mind,PUNK As to youre prior posts,again,wishing Al Davis ill in any way is JUNK!!!!! You post it, I will respond! Small one
July 6th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Hendu,
Are you drunk or just a retard?? If Al Davis dies in his sleep tonight I will be happy tomorrow. Saavy??
July 6th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Mr/mrs/danland,normally,I wouldnt wish that on anyone,you may be the exception,small one! stfu sfbs
July 6th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Never wished it retard. Learn to type like your not an ape.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Dan Land Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
The Raiders are and have been te laughingstock of the NFL for the last 10 years…100% because of Al Davis.
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No they havent. And if some big fat sportscaster behind a mike cracks a joke to think he is funny, big deal. Hes a pathetic jealous person who likes to laugh at the misfortune of others. Hardly grounds to classify the Raiders as laughingstocks. Right now put your money where your mouth is: Raiders are more feared and respected in this upcoming season to the likes they havent been for a long time. Nobody is laughing right now.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
mr/mrs/dannyland,can you prove that youre a RAIDER fan? Maybe show some game ticket stubs,or youre JRuss Jersey that you just had to have,remember,Jack arse?
July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
The fact that the Raiders are the laughingstock of the NFL is not up for debate. They are. Period. Nobody is trembling at the thought of the Oakland Raiders. Ovverrate much??
Hendu,
Sorry man, cant read moron. Learn to type then hollar back.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
sfbs,LEARN HOW TO SPELL,dannyland,post766,JACK ARSE,small one
July 6th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
LOL! Ok Corky.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Post 766,dannyland,are ya Irish,Danny boy? stfu sfbs
July 6th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Dan Land Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
The fact that the Raiders are the laughingstock of the NFL is not up for debate. ____________________________________________
Youre right about that. Who in their right senses would want to debate that they are. Like I said, the NFL is the laughingstock and 31 other owners.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2011/raiders-safety-wishes-al-davis-happy-b-day-updates-him-on-lockout-life/
July 6th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Dan Land is one of this sick ****s many monikers RMR Mista brown eye on and on. Jeez U guys, disengage. This creep sits around all day everyday baiting Raider fans and flicking his wee-nee-toe until his Mom tells him to get ready for his part time shift at Arby’s.
“ITS GOOD MOOD FOOD!!!”
July 6th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/7/4/2258004/happy-birthday-al-davis
See if you can get through this article dland and tell me what you think of that!
July 6th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
I just did a internet raider blog poll to see how many Al Davis fans there were and how many detractors, and the ratio of supporter to detractors is 50,000 to 1. or 50K:1.
Raiders blogs and newsgroups and fan clubs sampled: 795
July 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Silver and black pride is a glorified fan page. Yuck…
Memo to J Rich. I know U was ribbin Mitchell but you are the enemy now. You were a project and you did nothing your time here in Oakland.
I predict much of the same in Seatown.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Think about it. There are over 5000 subscribers to Jerrys blog and ONLY 3 detractors here. Other sites, mostly fan clubs had over 10,000 supporters and ZERO detractors. Several newsgroups had 0 non-AL Davis detractors and the only ones in some off the wall newsfeeds who were anti Al were trolls.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
774.The one hater? LANE KIFFIN
July 6th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
AllWeather, a lot of “detractors” just don’t comment here anymore. Wait till embarrassing news hits the Raiders again. The “detractors” will be here by the thousands. And of course Brien, Hayze, Priest, and RRS will accuse them all of being me and Kell.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
774.The one hater? LANE KIFFIN
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I’m just throwin hyperbolic rants out there to give dland and his akas a hint of his own rants.
Lane Kiffin is a closet Al Davis fan still. After all, Al gave him his first shot on the big stage, how could he not be forever grateful, like Gruden. Cept Lance cant admit right now.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
AllWeatherRaiderFan,post 773-74,thanks for that,glad youre a raider fan,period! Dont worry about mrs,mr dannyland,they are just HATERS,probably niner fans,never met her/him,dont want too,either RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 6th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Why will the detractors be here by the thousands, to gloat? Why?
July 6th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Davy Jones, Ron Wolf has said a lot of good things about Al Davis. Quotes can go a long way in a debate…but facts go further.
The Raiders are yet to win a Super Bowl without Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf, on the other hand, has won a Super Bowl without Al Davis. That speaks louder than Wolf’s lip service to the man who gave him his first NFL gig.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
To say they told you so, AllWeather. That’s what the internets is all about. There’s really no Raider news until the season starts. Most football fans don’t sit around on blogs talking about 3rd string players all day. When something happens, this place fires up. Check the archives from when the Kiffin fiasco was going on, and you tell me this blog only has one “detractor”. lol. Thousands upon thousands of comments, and it was about 70/30 in favor of Al haters. Most of the Raider nation hates Al Davis. They’re just the silent majority. It’s al’s worshipers who make all the noise.
July 6th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
RAIDER Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Davy Jones, Ron Wolf has said a lot of good things about Al Davis. Quotes can go a long way in a debate…but facts go further.
The Raiders are yet to win a Super Bowl without Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf, on the other hand, has won a Super Bowl without Al Davis. That speaks louder than Wolf’s lip service to the man who gave him his first NFL gig.
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If it wasnt for Al Davis, there would be no Super Bowls. Al was the driving force behind the merger, thus we have SBs’, and having three trophies is better than none.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Al was not the driving force behind the merger. Al didn’t even want the merger. The AFL owners sold Al out. The NFL made them offers behind Al’s back while he was the AFL commish, pleading with them not to cave, and they caved. Al then stepped down and took back his old job in Oakland. If Al’s responsible for the merger, it’s only because he was so non-influential. He didn’t want it, the AFL owners did it anyway.
My point about Ron Wolf has nothing to do with how many SB trophies anyone has. My point is that Al Davis has never won a SB without Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf has won one without Al. So, yes, Al has 3 SB victories. But Ron Wolf helped with all 3 of them. Wolf didn’t need an ounce of Davis’s help to win his SB in Green Bay.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
No real Raider fan would spend a dime on this team until Al Davis steps down from football operations. If you give a dime to this franchise right now, the way it’s managed, you’re not a Raider fan. You’re an Al Davis fan. The Raiders are suffering and you’re funding it.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
POST784,AWRF,great job dealing with the fake Raider fan,get used to it,going on 3years plus w/mrs/mr,raider,dannyland,all the same and I probably missed a few.If we have a season,winning will SHUT them up! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 6th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
out!!!
July 6th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RAIDER Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Al was not the driving force behind the merger.
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This is the internet. You can state false facts and discredit truth. Point is, its Als’ Raiders. If the Raiders never won a SB without Ron Wolf, well, guess what: Ron Wolf was working for Al and the Raiders and getting paid to do his job like he should have. Getting paid for it too. Plain and simple.
July 6th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Cornfucious says one ball man likely to get in less trouble than two ball man
July 7th, 2011 at 1:17 am
It’s not Al’s Raiders. The NFL could get rid of Al any time they wanted to, just as easily as Al got rid of Valley. Look how giddy Al is over his formal friendships Belichick and Parcells. All the league would have to do is get in their ear. Belichick pitches it like it’s some kind of joint venture, whatever. Al replies, “Anything for you, Bill”. That’s it. All over. Al’s gone. The only reason the league hasn’t done this yet is the owners like having at least one team they know they’ll be better than every year.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:20 am
And where am I discrediting facts?
Al Davis did not want the merger. FACT. He’s said so several times. He believed the AFL was the superior league. And if the AFL owners would have had his back, he would have succeeded. But he didn’t. The NFL made the AFL owners offers they couldn’t refuse behind Al’s back, and they took them. It is impossible for Al to have had anything to do with the merger because he detested the idea of a merger more than anyone else on the planet. The merger was against Al’s wishes. Learn your idol’s history.
July 7th, 2011 at 3:27 am
during two hours saturday, we had 2 month worth of rain.. over 150mm rain.. tons of basements under water.. but worst of all the world largest cancer tissue bank, went down, when the freezers stopped working.. this means 18 years of the worlds best cancer research went down the drain, pardon my pun.. tons of foreign scientist working with cancer now dont know if their work here in Denmark is ruined as well..
dammit! I bet all here has some close to them who has died of cancer, so I hope its just a pessimistic forecast..
/LMN
July 7th, 2011 at 4:11 am
for those curious…
http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/article1581148.ece
^^^here is a gallery of 18 pictures taken by the readers of a tabloid paper..
what was it again Al Gore said?!?! =)
July 7th, 2011 at 5:38 am
Whats up AMers. The lawyers met for over 11 hours yesterday. Hope that means good things.
July 7th, 2011 at 5:48 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
What’s up Bcz24, LMN…I agree, hopefully thst 11 hours leads to good things!
July 7th, 2011 at 5:50 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.BCZ24.IN A ROOM FULL OF LAWERS 4 11 HOURS,YIKES….
July 7th, 2011 at 6:00 am
Good Monring Dirt Lot!
It’s like the 12 Angry Men, huh?
July 7th, 2011 at 6:10 am
Good morning my Raider brothers….I smell training camp in Napa…..the best training camp in all of football!
July 7th, 2011 at 6:13 am
SOUNDS LIKE MY DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS…AGAIN YIKES
July 7th, 2011 at 6:14 am
Hopefully soon in the Lot I get to be in our great sanctuary chowing down on some bomb tri-tip or brisket slamming tequila shot, sippin some cold brews and see some skimpy dressed ladies before seeing the Raiders kicks ass!
July 7th, 2011 at 6:19 am
801.Bauce Rules Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 6:14 am
Hopefully soon in the Lot I get to be in our great sanctuary chowing down on some bomb tri-tip or brisket slamming tequila shot, sippin some cold brews and see some skimpy dressed ladies before seeing the Raiders kicks ass!
YES!
July 7th, 2011 at 6:25 am
Only thing upsetting this morning is that the Padres relinquished the lead last night. last I looked was 5-3 in the 8th…wth happened? Anyways, at least the A’s won also!
July 7th, 2011 at 6:26 am
A lot early then we migrate to the champion’s Lot…..D Lot!
July 7th, 2011 at 6:28 am
Hwnrdr…..giants are winning nl west again. I’ve known that all year. They’ll get hammered by Philly in first round this time
July 7th, 2011 at 6:31 am
I don’t think we will play the Phillies in the first round.
Braves or Brewers/Cardinals winner.
Phillies in the NLCS again, and we should smash them again.
This All-Star game is majorly important, with WS home-field at stake. Bochy has to bang out a win in AZ for us.
July 7th, 2011 at 6:32 am
At least with a Briskett, we don’t have to worry about Bauce embarressing folks by ordering it well done, lol.
July 7th, 2011 at 6:35 am
You seriously believe that the Giants are gonna win again? Seriously? Sorry JFB…last year the series was handed to them and everyone knows it! How does the umpire blow the SAME call in 2 different games? Giants should have never gotten passed Atlanta…and Texas…what a watse of AL…
July 7th, 2011 at 6:37 am
Do you guys think there will be a full season…pre-season and all?
July 7th, 2011 at 6:44 am
Did they change the home field advantage thing for baseball…Didn’t it rotate every year from AL to NL? Or is it now like basketball where the best record gets homefield? Just curious…how will the Giants get WS homefield if they beat AZ?
July 7th, 2011 at 6:45 am
The latest I heard is that if they get a deal done by 7/22 the only thing they would have to drop is the HOF game on 8/6, which is a 5th preseason game for the 2 teams anyways. That gives 2 more weeks to close the deal without any real time lost, but make no mistake the damage to the young guys, and teams with new coaches has already been done imo…
July 7th, 2011 at 6:46 am
I’m not going to guarantee a World Series win, but I think we have as good as chance as anyone in baseball.
Phillies are all starting pitching and power-hitting. That can’t play finesse baseball, a terrible fielding infield (outfield is pretty solid) and a shaky bullpen.
Besides, we beat Halladay last year in the NLCS, and banged like 12 runs of Cliff Lee in 2 starts in the World Series.
We got to get Timmy and the Beard right though. Those dudes are struggling right now.
July 7th, 2011 at 6:47 am
All-Star game winner gets home-field advantage (which I love).
All-star game is in AZ.
July 7th, 2011 at 6:49 am
The most baseball I ever followed in my life was the movie Major League…
July 7th, 2011 at 6:50 am
All Star game winner get’s home field advantage? Oh, ok…so if the NL wins, then they get it…ok, gotcha! Was it always like that?
July 7th, 2011 at 6:50 am
I think we will get two preseason games, and than a full slate.
With a reduced preseason, it will be tough to determine those battles for the 52nd and 53rd roster spot.
July 7th, 2011 at 6:51 am
814.bcz24 Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 6:49 am
The most baseball I ever followed in my life was the movie Major League…
LOL…hey that was a darn good movie! FU Jobu! lol
July 7th, 2011 at 6:52 am
Changed it after the tie-game fiasco a few years ago.
The American League, I believe, won it every year under the current format except for last year.
July 7th, 2011 at 6:53 am
If they only take away the HOF Game, then I guess everyone will have a fair advantage! But reduced, I agree JFB…I think it will be harder on first time new coaches (like, Jackson)…
July 7th, 2011 at 6:54 am
SI did their annual “where are they now” feature and the did a section on Major League, and interviewed a bunch of people from the movie including Sheen.
Pedro Cerrano (the Jobu guy) is the big black dude that does the Allstate commercials now.
July 7th, 2011 at 6:56 am
Watching that kid Vlad Ducasse struggle mightily in preseason on Hard Knocks and almost got Sanchez hurt, and remembering that Soup got blasted last year in the preseason and took the golf ride, I say the less preseason the better.
Unless we have some type of plans for a better backup than Boller or Frye, we need to limit the amount of time Soup is on the field, with Barksdale and Bruce Cambell blocking for him.
They are going to allow some knocks on the QB, and we can’t have Soup getting hurt.
July 7th, 2011 at 6:57 am
I know…hard to believe that Pedro is the Allstate guy now…and Sheen admitted to doing steroids, right? Although I didn’t like Pedro in Major League 2…he was too soft!
July 7th, 2011 at 7:01 am
You do have a point there, JFB…Darn it! Can’t they end this darn lockout already!!!
July 7th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Sheen said he did roids, and it made his fastball go from 75 to 83 mph.
He did all the actual throws in the game, but they moved the mound up a few feet to make it look faster.
And Steve Yeager was the fill-in for catcher. That dude used to coach in the WBL, I interned for the Chico Heat of that league for 2 years, and was the biggest prick ever!!!
July 7th, 2011 at 7:07 am
The thing with rookie O-lineman is that they just flat out miss assingments.
Lord knows Gallery, and Walker didn’t do a good job pass-protecting at times. But they at least knew who to block and got some contact with them and slowed them up somewhat.
Rookie’s will block down on the wrong guy, and leave their responsibility (say a blitzing OLB) to have a free 10 yard sprint heading right into the QB’s ribs.
Will be something to watch for this year, with all these projected young new guys, playing new positions.
July 7th, 2011 at 7:10 am
820.Just Fire Baby Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 6:54 am
SI did their annual “where are they now” feature and the did a section on Major League, and interviewed a bunch of people from the movie including Sheen.
Pedro Cerrano (the Jobu guy) is the big black dude that does the Allstate commercials now.
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They are trying to do another major league right now. I guess Sheen is holding it up because he doesnt want to do it with out ‘Roger Dorn’ who wasnt written into the script
July 7th, 2011 at 7:12 am
Speaking of Jets. Drew Coleman is a free agent and I think we should snag him. He is an excellent nickle/slot corner, and a very good blitzer. Could be had much cheaper than a lot of these other CBs available.
July 7th, 2011 at 7:13 am
Steve Yeager…why does that name sound familiar?
Anyways…With Veldheer being in his second year and Campbell and WizII an unknown commodity…Hopefully with what little the coaching staff has to work with, that Wiz1 and Wyllie gets to coach them up good. Remember, I did say “Hopefully”
July 7th, 2011 at 7:14 am
I dont think there is any way we DONT hit the OLine in free agency. As it stands with all these guys projected to leave, we dont even have enough lineman to field a team. Hopefully now that Cable is gone we wont keep trying to pick up scrap heap scrubs
July 7th, 2011 at 7:15 am
How do you do another Major League movie without Roger Dorn? Would Tom Berringer be too old?
July 7th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Yeager, Dodgers catcher, co-World Series MVP, and more famously known for having a piece of bat shank him in the neck when he was in the on-deck circle.
July 7th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Hahaha! That’s right…now I remember!
July 7th, 2011 at 7:21 am
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3772_Monday_Morning_Waterboy:_quantifying_INTs.html
July 7th, 2011 at 7:51 am
That is an interesting article, YA!
July 7th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Giants suck…..1st rd exit vs phillies
July 7th, 2011 at 8:22 am
Mistic is going to use that article to prove why Jason Campbell is the best QB in football…
July 7th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Well we know Veldheer, Carlisle, and Wiz are starting. I don’t think anyone will argue that.
Bruce Campbell had a full year to sit and learn. He’ll get every chance to keep a spot on the starting unit. Brad Looper is plan B.
Maybe we bring in a vet OT in case Barksdale is not ready.
And we will certainly sign a backup C.
July 7th, 2011 at 8:48 am
It’ll be interesting to see if Satele is willing to re-sign as a backup.
July 7th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Brad Looper? Who is that? LOL… I think you meant Daniel Loper.
July 7th, 2011 at 8:55 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 7:21 am
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3772_Monday_Morning_Waterboy:_quantifying_INTs.html
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Very interesting read, and they make a point a solid point on one hand. Some turnovers are far worse than others and that leads to the gun slinger vs. the game manager argument.
However no turn overs are good, and the bottom line is the qb must minimize the amount of ints’ regardless of the situation, or at any particular moment of the game.
We are in good hands at qb, JC is has always been a solid decision maker with the ball.
July 7th, 2011 at 9:14 am
I haven’t read through the past 275+ comments … did I miss anything?
July 7th, 2011 at 9:23 am
We are in good hands at qb, JC is has always been a solid decision maker with the ball
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Mistic,
JCamp is not a gunslinger like Brett Favre or Jay Cutler. that can be seen as a positive or a negative
you can’t be afriad to take your shot downfield, but with Camp’s O-Line & WR Corps I don’t blame him for being the “Checkdown Champ”
You either get a franchise QB that can put this team on his shoulders and will it to victory or you get an average QB like Jason with his 1-year $4 million this year and improve everybody else around him
We didn’t draft a QB and I didn’t realize that we’re missing picks in rounds 2 thru 4 next year (making draft Pryor a longshot since he’s not worth a 1st). Let’s face it, nobody in FA is gonna be an upgrade over Campbell. Carson Palmer may stay retired ala Jake Plummer. McNabb & Young aren’t gonna take Oakland to the playoffs, if they do in fact get released.
With a new OC & DC (AGAIN!!!) and 4 new starters on the O-Line in combination with losing Asomugha & Huff in the secondary, we could possibly join the Andrew Luck sweepstakes next April
July 7th, 2011 at 9:26 am
That quantifying INT, only factored in anticipated points lost, based upon where they were in the field offensively.
So basically, Soup threw all his interceptions when we weren’t anywhere close to scoring, i.e. throwing INT’s deep in enemy territory and burying the defense.
July 7th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Well we know Veldheer, Carlisle, and Wiz are starting. I don’t think anyone will argue that.
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Jhill,
you’re calling Cooper Carlisle a lock to start?
you’ve been requesting this guy get axed for like 2 years now!
JFB must have converted another one …
July 7th, 2011 at 9:29 am
An interception thrown while an offense is still in its own end of the field creates a short field – and potential points – for the opposing offense. However, today, we are focusing only on the points lost by the offense – not the points gained by the opponent due to favorable field position.
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So realistically, the QB who has the lowest points lost by the offense, will subsequently have the highest points gained by the opponent.
July 7th, 2011 at 9:30 am
I dont think there is any way we DONT hit the OLine in free agency. As it stands with all these guys projected to leave, we dont even have enough lineman to field a team. Hopefully now that Cable is gone we wont keep trying to pick up scrap heap scrubs
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Veldheer-Loper-Wiz-Campbell-Barksdale
depth = Alex Parsons & Roy Schuening
Carlisle = unknown at this point. Clearly a Cable (ZBS) guy
July 7th, 2011 at 9:33 am
“My point about Ron Wolf has nothing to do with how many SB trophies anyone has. My point is that Al Davis has never won a SB without Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf has won one without Al. So, yes, Al has 3 SB victories. But Ron Wolf helped with all 3 of them. Wolf didn’t need an ounce of Davis’s help to win his SB in Green Bay.”
Actually, If you ask RON WOLF if he needed Davis’ help, he wouldn’t say he didn’t need an ounce, he’d say “Everything I learned about football I learned about Al Davis”.
Lip service is one thing, saying “I learned EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL from Al Davis” is another. Told you before and I’ll tell you again: not even Ron Wolf believes the sh*t you believe about Ron Wolf.
July 7th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Soup got blasted last year in the preseason and took the golf ride, I say the less preseason the better.
Unless we have some type of plans for a better backup than Boller or Frye, we need to limit the amount of time Soup is on the field, with Barksdale and Bruce Cambell blocking for him.
They are going to allow some knocks on the QB, and we can’t have Soup getting hurt.
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Agreed! But whether JCamp gets hurt in the first preseason game or the 3rd game of the regular season makes no difference … the Raiders are going 4-12 with Boller, Frye or Gradkowski
July 7th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Like I said Rock, that is not enough depth to field a team… unless you plan on have Houston or Shonasty playing both ways in the event of injury…
July 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Carlisle = unknown at this point. Clearly a Cable (ZBS) guy
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So did we run the ZBS this past year, or a power-scheme?
Whatever it was, it was damn successful running the ball, and there was only one 16 game starter on the O-line.
That 16 game starter, also happened to be the least penalized of all of our lineman (even less penalties than Mario Henderson).
His name, is Savage Carlisle.
July 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Davy Jones,
save that crap for when Gust/MR/RAIDER arrives!
the AM crew doesn’t need that infectious disease
Thank you,
Management
July 7th, 2011 at 9:41 am
that is not enough depth to field a team… unless you plan on have Houston or Shonasty playing both ways in the event of injury…
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BCZ, agreed
I like the ironman football idea!
You’re an East Coast guy. Any chance we can lure 40 year old ex-Patriot Troy Brown out of retirement?
Probably better than DHB at WR and Jeremy Ware at nickel corner!
Better punt returner than Nick Miller, too …
July 7th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Didn’t Hue in his first end of the year presser, praise a handful of guys, and Cooper Carlisle was one of the select few?
Carlisle = best Raider O-lineman, last year, and the last 3 years.
July 7th, 2011 at 9:46 am
YA knows all the free agent O-Line options. I’m sure he’ll be kind enough to repost who’s available and who we should make a play for
However, if we’re sold on Veldheer-Loper-Wiz-Campbell-Barksdale as the starting five … guys like Barnes, Henderson, Walker & Gallery would be welcome back at a reduced cost imo
I think Bob Gallery is headed for Seattle as a starting guard. I’d be surprised if the other 3 even get a sniff in free agency for vet minimum depth
Parsons, Schuening, Barnes, Satele & Henderson as the backup crew wouldn’t upset or surprise me. Thoughts?
July 7th, 2011 at 9:48 am
JFB,
The Raiders are not expected to bring back RG Cooper Carlisle in 2011.
Carlisle turns 34 this summer and is due $2.5 million, which appears to be too much for a guard who no longer fits Oakland’s scheme. With Tom Cable on the way out, the Raiders are transitioning from a zone to power-blocking system. Feb 28, 11:03 AM
Source: Oakland Tribune
July 7th, 2011 at 9:50 am
JFB,
Al Davis was p1ssed that Tom Cable didn’t play Bruce Campbell at RG over Cooper Carlisle towards the end of the season.
Why didn’t AD demand he start over Gallery or Walker, if they were the only bums on the line last season?
July 7th, 2011 at 9:56 am
I think the Seahawks might get rid of Paul Fanaika,
Mike Gibson, Paul McQuistan & Chris White when free agency starts up.
Then they can acquire Gallery & Carlisle, unless rookie John Moffitt (who Todd McShay called “unathletic” and “a reach”) proves to be a beast
July 7th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Again all interceptions are bad interceptions. Jc doesnt throw many ints’. JC is better than he gets credit for in here.
July 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Tyson Clabo, Doug Free, Jared Gaither, Jammal Brown, Matt Light, Jermon Bushrod, Willie Colon, Alex Barron, Ryan Harris, Corey Hilliard ,Rashad Butler ,Charlie Johnson ,Ryan O’Callaghan ,Pat McQuistan ,Ryan Cook, Zach Strief ,Wayne Hunter, Trai Essex, Jonathan Scott,
Jeromey Clary, Barry Sims, Sean Locklear, Adam Goldberg, John Greco, Jeremy Trueblood, Stephon Heyer
List of potential free agent tackles, not including our own (some may have resigned before the lockout)
July 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Carlisle starting again next season. If only because he’s the only other lineman under contract besides Veldheer.
Would like to see Justin Blalock or Harvey Dahl signed to solidify the LG or RG spot (and if Barksdale is getting a shot at the starting job, it’ll put a veteran next to him ie not Bruce Campbell).
I REALLY like Marshall Yanda, who can play RG or RT, but the Ravens will almost certainly sign him long-term. Davin Joseph and Carl Nicks will also probably get huge money somewhere. Reggie Wells would be a low-cost option, but I’m not sure he’s any better than Daniel Loper.
Jammal Brown could be a decent low-cost move to compete with Barksdale at RT. I like Brown because he can also play LT. Ryan Harris isn’t a system fit and Tyson Clabo is going to get a big contract from the Falcons.
If either Henderson or Barnes wants to return, that would be a solid depth move to back up Veldheer. Those guys at the very least know their roles in this system, so it’s only a question of whether they like those roles enough to re-sign on the cheap.
I can’t shake the feeling that the only free agents the Raiders will sign along the offensive line will be depth for Veldheer – Loper – Wiz – Campbell – Barksdale. I think these guys are going to get every last opportunity to secure a starting role. Not saying I completely agree here, I’m just saying it’s a pretty likely scenario.
If the Raiders are just going to look for low-cost depth guys, they should go hard after UDFAs like David Mims or Byron Bell who are massive guys with a lot of upside. They can player either OT or OG, and that kind of versatility could be good for a team who will only have two linemen under contract when free agency begins. UDFA OGs Zach Hurd and Justin Boren could also be options.
July 7th, 2011 at 10:12 am
HueJack to be on the Jim Rome radio show, w/ guest host Grant Napier. In THIS hour…
July 7th, 2011 at 10:13 am
And then there’s Jared Gaither. Hue has some experience with him, but that could also be a reason the Raiders stay away from signing him.
At best? The Raiders will get a franchise-caliber LT or RT on the cheap. At worst? Gaither will never be healthy or in shape and will not make much of an attempt to contribute.
July 7th, 2011 at 10:15 am
851.RaiderRockstar Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Davy Jones,
save that crap for when Gust/MR/RAIDER arrives!
the AM crew doesn’t need that infectious disease
Thank you,
Management
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Duly noted. Just trying to sweep up the piles of crap that accumulate here on a daily basis.
Thank you,
Janatorial Staff
July 7th, 2011 at 10:16 am
‘Sup fellas.
Vegas,
What’s up with this probably play Atl or STL/Milw in first round B.S.? Don’t count my boys out just yet. Yes, they’ve been languishing at or near .500 most of the first half. They’re still only 3 out and begin a big 4 game series vs Brew Crew tonight.
Pittsburgh has to fade in 2nd half….don’t they? Reds have owned Milw the last couple of years. My Reds are gonna go on a second half surge. Just watch. lol.
July 7th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Carl Nicks, David Joseph, Harvey Dahl, Darren Colledge, Alan Faneca, Deuce Lutui, Lyle Sendlein,
Justin Blalock, Chris Chester, Marshal Yanda,
Olin Kreutz, Evan Mathis, Kyle Cook, Nate Livings,
Kyle Kosier, Jason Spitz, Kasey Studdard, Mike Brisiel
Kyle DeVan, Mike Pollak, Rudy Niswanger, Casey Wiegmann, Richie Incognito, Nate Garner, Jonathan Goodwin, Kevin Boothe, Reggie Wells, Scott Mruczkowski
David Baas,Chris Spencer, Leroy Harris, Will Montgomery,
List of potential free agent interior lineman
July 7th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Interesting read on JC and the low Int’s. Guy does take good care of the ball. Some say too good, and plays too safe.
I tell you guys what, I watched the first SD game the other day, and feel even better about JC going into this year. He replaced the injured Grads and played really well.
I think that is what JC is capable of, when he plays his best. Yeah, he had a couple of clunkers last year, as I’m sure his critcs will point out.
The Raiders jumped SD early with the two blocked punts, but Philip and the Chargers came roaring back. They looked unstoppable. Other Raider teams might have wilted after losing that early momentum and the lead.
They didn’t, and I give most of the credit to JC. His critics sy he’s only effective when the running game is carrying the team, and he can manage the game. Not lead from the front.
Not so in this game. DMac was out, and Bush got 100 yds, but it was a fairly quiet 100. The running game was not dominating like in the rematch.
Jason led them on two long scoring drives, one was 85 and the other was 92 I believe. He capped one off with a nice td toss to Zach, after rolling out and buying some time.
JC got off to a horrid start last year. But he played much better in this game than I’d remembered. He got better and more consistant as the year went on.
If we get more efforts like this out of JC, along with improved WR play to go along with that running game, then Oaklands offense is gonna be alright.
July 7th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Reds are the division champs, they should show some pride.
Seems like the Brew Crew is the best team in that division though.
We will know more by this weekend.
July 7th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Nice post, 866, Buckeye!!!
July 7th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Since 2005, Cooper Carlisle has been a full-time starter (starting 95 of 96 possible games)
His teams rushing rank:
‘10 – 2nd
‘09 – 21st
‘08 – 10th
‘07 – 6th
‘06 – 5th
‘05 – 2nd
Not a bad resume.
July 7th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Davy, I can ask Ron Wolf any question you want. He can give just the answer you’re looking for. You can make his answer your profile sig. You can tattoo it on your back. It doesn’t change two things: Al Davis has never won a Super Bowl without Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf has won a Super Bowl without Al Davis.
July 7th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Al Davis has never won a Super Bowl without Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf has won a Super Bowl without Al Davis.
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I fail to see your point? Who cares if Al won a superbowl with or without ron wolf?
July 7th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Wow, John Mackey passed away. What a bruising tight End. R.I.P. John Mackey.
July 7th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Buckeye
Nice post. JC has a good arm, good head, good legs, very good ball-handling skills.
July 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Bcz, my point is that Al Davis’s credit in the Raiders’ Super Bowl victories is highly debatable.
July 7th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Nothing new from the HueJack interview..
I’ll say one thing, Hue could probably sell a truckload of fertilizer to a dairyman….
July 7th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Bcz, my point is that Al Davis’s credit in the Raiders’ Super Bowl victories is highly debatable.
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Yeah but in your opinion Al Davis’s credit in ANYTHING positive in Raider history is debatable. Al hired the first black and hispanic head coach? Hes just a racist who wanted to be the first to fire a black or hispanic head coach. Al hired the first female executive? Eh he just did that to keep her mouth shut after he raped her and burned her village… and so on…
July 7th, 2011 at 11:40 am
RAIDER Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Bcz, my point is that Al Davis’s credit in the Raiders’ Super Bowl victories is highly debatable
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What credit do you give the Rooneys in their 6 Super Bowl wins?
July 7th, 2011 at 11:41 am
People can make all kind of racist innuendos’s against players. Dog great players like Marcus Allen, Tim Brown etc.
But, mention that Al Davis has lost 57% of his games for the last 23 years, and people go ape-schit.
July 7th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Davy, I can ask Ron Wolf any question you want. He can give just the answer you’re looking for. You can make his answer your profile sig. You can tattoo it on your back. It doesn’t change two things: Al Davis has never won a Super Bowl without Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf has won a Super Bowl without Al Davis.
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Al Davis also hasn’t won a Super Bowl since he started wearing his jump suits. I contend that the suits are to blame rather than the absence of Wolf. You can’t prove me wrong any more than I can prove you wrong.
In court, they call that circumstantial evidence, and you don’t have enough to convict, especially given Wolf’s testimony.
And you can tatoo that next to your secret “I heart the Broncos” tatoo.
July 7th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Haaaaa Kell and MR are at it again
July 7th, 2011 at 11:49 am
877.bcz24 Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 11:40 am
RAIDER Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Bcz, my point is that Al Davis’s credit in the Raiders’ Super Bowl victories is highly debatable
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What credit do you give the Rooneys in their 6 Super Bowl wins?
Chuck Knoll, Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin (which who the latter 2 also have one loss a piece)…
Of course you know I am joking with you…
July 7th, 2011 at 11:49 am
How’s this for an innuendo – Krappy, you’re an idiot.
Dudes, I’m pleased to report that this morning my ladies surprised me with Mai Tais in bed and a nice selection of hand jobs and reach arounds.
We’re getting ready to hit the pool and wait for Brian the Genital to show up for our big fight. Oh, wait, that’s not going to happen – he raised the white flag yesterday and ran away scared as a little girl.
But that’s the wacky Kelly family for you – here for our entertainment and amusement!
SUCKA MCS IN THE PLACE TO BE
July 7th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Ron Wolf’s quote about Al puts MR’s little hisst fit to bed lol. The guy gave all the props and Kudos to Al. Straight from horses mouth aint nothing can beat that
July 7th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Ha Beecher wants another man to join him in his canoe sso he can sing Foreigner ” I want to know what love is”………..
July 7th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Beecher show one post where I raised a white flag…….dont bother cuz it doesnt exist. You been called out and made ever excuse in the book. I’m the champion here you are the peasant. I’m from Oakland you bow to me. raiders play in Oakland and games are played here. What are you so afraid of to meet at the games. Afraid of gettingg scraped in front of the bloggers you insult?
July 7th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Lol Beecher….reach arounds? Ha I guess the head Sgt guy from Full Metal Jacket wasnt talking about yyour man not having the courtesy to give ya one while he Lambs from the back lol…..sad
July 7th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Bcz, I’m not talking about the ethnic background of any of Al’s coaches. I think Al could be considered a trailblazer where race relations are concerned in the NFL (odd that this accolade is usually parroted by those who despise any kind of affirmative action elsewhere in society…), although I think those who espouse on this tend to forget that Al liked blacks because they could help him win football games. If you weren’t a football player, the klan could have strung you up, for all Al cared. I find his views on black players from Notre Dame to be troubling, as well. Al has always had these bizarre, rigid views on what people have to offer. Likes to combine his teams with short, quick guys and big strong guys. When I heard of those comments about Notre Dame, it just made me wonder if it means that Al likes his black players big and aggressive, and not so much to be thinkers. If that’s true, Al is an incredible racist, regardless of what kind things he’s done for black people in the past. Heck, slave owners have hired slaves to better jobs in the big house. Giving a black person the crumbs off your plate doesn’t absolve you of racism.
July 7th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Brian the Genital, you’ve already been exposed (again) as a coward and a sissy. Don’t make it any worse with lame gay jokes.
Man, I should get paid for all the humanitarian work I go on this lame blog.
Anyway goobers, we’re setting up shop down here at the pool and the PARTYBRO 8500 is warming up. I’m going to invite Lamar Houston and Mike Mitchell via Twitter down to party serious.
I hear those dudes are into the sticky green, so my chicks are going to make a Pico/Hoover run later.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Anyhow, my point is that Al Davis might have never truly built a Super Bowl team. When you have Ron Wolf going to green bay and winning a super Bowl when Al can’t get the Raiders’ off the ground (until Gruden arrives…), it’s pretty damning evidence against Al’s legacy as a team builder. Ron Wolf can say that Al DAvis taught him how to use his trouser snake. It doesn’t matter. The facts are facts. People often do pay lip service to the first person who got them a job. Al’s probably responsible for bringing Wolf into the league. But make no mistake, it was Wolf who built the great Raider teams of the past. Al just shamelessly took the credit.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Beecham = Jon Condo
July 7th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Beecher….not one blogger will agree you on me bein exposed…..similar to AIG…you’re the lame kid who laughs at his own jokes while no one else thinks theyre funny
July 7th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
bcz24 Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 11:40 am
RAIDER Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Bcz, my point is that Al Davis’s credit in the Raiders’ Super Bowl victories is highly debatable
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What credit do you give the Rooneys in their 6 Super Bowl wins?
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Can’t answer. I don’t study the Steelers as much as the Raiders. Not as interested in the Steelers. The Raiders are my favorite team, so, naturally, I do more research on them. I’m a research junkie. But I have to have a genuine interest in what I’m researching.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Beecher, gay lame jokes? You talking about gettin reach arounds lol! Not me! Women dont give men reach arounds you lame. Bzies do the suck around
July 7th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Might? Wolf said Al gave him his knowledge and so forth…..MR you are reaching bad here…..just like on the Elwayy thing….quotes in your face but you trying to spin it and failing at doing so
July 7th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Bo….still doing more investigation on Ohio St?
July 7th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Anyhow, my point is that Al Davis might have never truly built a Super Bowl team. When you have Ron Wolf going to green bay and winning a super Bowl when Al can’t get the Raiders’ off the ground (until Gruden arrives…), it’s pretty damning evidence against Al’s legacy as a team builder. Ron Wolf can say that Al DAvis taught him how to use his trouser snake. It doesn’t matter. The facts are facts. People often do pay lip service to the first person who got them a job. Al’s probably responsible for bringing Wolf into the league. But make no mistake, it was Wolf who built the great Raider teams of the past. Al just shamelessly took the credit.
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Do you suppose that Ron Wolf might have said what he said (which he said during his run with the Packers, btw) PRECISELY to keep some dumba** like you from coming to that ridiculous conclusion?
Al didn’t shamelessly take credit, Ron Wolf breathlessly gave it to him.
By your logic, Bellicheat gets credit for everything Parcells accomplished. After all, Parcells hasn’t won a SB without him . . . *rolleyes*
July 7th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Come MR….tell us again that Elway would have never came to Raiders again….we can use the laughs
July 7th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Thank you for proving my point douche nugget
July 7th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Brien, if Davis gave Wolf his knowledge, then it would prove that Al’s suffering from dementia, wouldn’t it? Wolf was using Al’s knowledge to build a SB champion in the 1990s. Meanwhile, Al Davis can’t get the Raiders off the ground. So, why can’t Al Davis use Al Davis’s knowledge? lol. Your argument only demonstrates that Al is demented, and probably has been for more than 20 years.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 11:41 am
People can make all kind of racist innuendos’s against players. Dog great players like Marcus Allen, Tim Brown etc.
But, mention that Al Davis has lost 57% of his games for the last 23 years, and people go ape-schit.
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Brien & Dumb Beech, thanks for proving my point. Lol.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
How demented was Al when team won 3 straight division titles? By my logic? No Ron Wolf’s logic. See what Ron Wolf said? Ron Wolf gave Al the credit. Not the Bauce . Ron Wolf was the one who worked for the Raiders and for Al. Keyword in this post RON WOLF . How are you gonna speak for Ron Wolf when Ron Wolf spoke for himself?
July 7th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
NOT A HINT OF THE VERTICAL GAME IN THE BRETT FAVRE GREEN BAY OFFENSE! NOT A HINT!
Where’s Green Bay’s kickers drafted in the high rounds, if Wolf learned from Al?
Why was Holmgren given a competitive contract? Why wasn’t Holmgren traded away? Surely Ron Wolf’s not paying his coaches if he’s from the school of Al Davis, right?
Why wasn’t Green Bay playing man defense all of the time?
Give me a break.
Wolf was paying lip service and giving his first boss in this league some props, that’s all. At the end of the day, Wolf couldn’t try harder to be opposite of Al Davis.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Lol Kell the hypocrite is at it again…….yall want me to get him again? Watch this
July 7th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
How demented was Al when team won 3 straight division titles?
……………
Demented enough to trade the coach away after winning the 2nd.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
He speaks about peopple talking on greatplayers like Tim Brown huh? This dumbass has always spoke bad on Timmy lol and not when its convenient to use Timmy for his argument he forgets that…….HYPOCRITE ALLERT!
July 7th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Brian the Genital, you’re just embarrassing yourself now. The whole blog knows I’m chillin by the pool all summer long. You know exactly where to find me. And you ran. Tail between legs. This is now on your permanent blog record. Pretty sad, little dude.
Fellow bloggers, please don’t laugh at the poor little Genital all day. He’s spent years on the blog trying desperately to trick you all into thinking he’s a big ol meanie, so now that his bubble has burst he’s going into permanent melt down mode. It’ll be sad, but should be pretty amusing at the same time.
Man, this Mai Tai is sure tasting good right about now!
WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?
July 7th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Actually that coach wanted to leave and was offered a contract extension during the 2nd div title run…..try again MR
July 7th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Lip service? hahahahaha. Says who? You? You have an agenda in all of this so your claim of lip service is not even taken serious lol. You’re reachingg MR and have no ground to stand on. His quotes werent left up for interpretation cuz they were point blank
July 7th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Lol Beecher….whole blog knows? Hahahahahahahaha yyou been called out on it by many bloggers and all know you’re full of schit
July 7th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
I’m trying to think of things Ron Wolf did in Green Bay that ring of Al Davis’s tutelage.
Favre? Nope. Some shades of the snake, considering he’s from the south and likes to party. But Al didn’t like the snake. That’s common knowledge. Snake was Wolf’s guy, too.
Coaches? Nope. Holmgren a total WCO guy and he was a mainstay until he wanted to leave. When Davis hires a WCO guy, he’s on eggshells. Wolf let Holmgren coach the team.
No kickers or punters drafted in high rounds, that I can think of.
I don’t think I ever saw Wolf bust out the overhead projector…lol. OK, that was a low blow.
But that just made me think of something.
I don’t even know what Ron Wolf looks like!
This guy was Green Bay’s GM for about a decade, and I don’t think I ever saw him on t.v. You know, for all of this talk about how Al doesn’t care what people think, and how he avoids the media, it’s funny how we see Al’s crept dome all the time, but Wolf really did stay in the shadows. Wolf didn’t care about the cameras, didn’t want to be a celebrity. His motto: Just Win, Baby.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
You talking about reach arounds when no straight man has ever talked about women giving him reach arounds lol….exposed again Beecher……you hang poolside with numerous ladies but spend so much time on a blog talking with MEN HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. not one person believes you. Even one blogger yesterday wanted to see photos lol but you refused. wonder why?
July 7th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Poor little Brian the Genital, going down in flames …
Anyway, dudes I just got a call back from my business manager who found this kickass Boyz 2 Men cover band who does all their hits reggae style.
Might have to book them on this Saturday’s cruise up to Pacific Beach. I’m planning on dressing up as Frank McCourt with nappy dreds.
CAN’T FIGHT THE FLAVOR OF A PRINGLE
July 7th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Brien Bootlicker
If Al Davis is so smart, how come he hasn’t won a Super Bowl since the 1983 season?
July 7th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
We inching close to a season Beecher….cba deal bout to be done….we will see your excuses still run rampant lol
July 7th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Well, Kell, I can tell you how Brien’s going to answer that. He’s going to say that a lot of owners haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1983. But that’s exactly it! Al’s not exceptional. He’s average, like all of those other owners. He just acts crazier and dresses funnier.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Dont think MR…..youre out of your comfort zone…..just read Ron Wolf’s quotes
July 7th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
If Al truly cared about that legacy, he’d quit now. The longer he stays, the more the failures of the latter part of his career outweigh the great things earlier in his career.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Kell…..the man needed his shoes wiped….no problem with that….guy prolly was a bz and b_tch that he didnt respect. Al is the man
July 7th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
MR….Kell asked me not you. He asked a black man who isnt a 37 year old virgin not a awkward looking white guy who is a 37 year old virgin…..now let me answer
July 7th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Kell….its simple why Al hasnt won since 83….bad personnel moves plain and simple. He has even admitted that as have all of s Davis supporters. No one is disputing that
July 7th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
haha. Brien was going to pull the “other owners haven’t won either” card. That’s why he’s mad.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
there’s a difference between a Raider Fan, and a Al Davis sycophant.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
You blind homers are so predictable.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Kell yup…..Al did that for a reason to. Do you know if that same employee went and embarrassed another employee? Al not gonna do that just to dog dude. He had his reasons. glad he punked that guy
July 7th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Kell….its simple why Al hasnt won since 83….bad personnel moves plain and simple.
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Lol, bad personnel moves?
July 7th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Maybe that’s why hasn’t won, Brien. Too focused on embarrassing his employees, not focused enough on just winning.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Why am I gonna talk about other owners? Al and not winning a title since 83 was the topic with Kell. Just like you tried to speak for Ron Wolf you erroneously tried to speak for me. You are out of place. Speak for yourself not others. Quite simple. Only women do that
July 7th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Kell yup…..Al did that for a reason to. Do you know if that same employee went and embarrassed another employee? Al not gonna do that just to dog dude. He had his reasons. glad he punked that guy
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Can you read at an adult level, try again.
“For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes”
July 7th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Kell you asked why and I gave you an answer. Wouldnt personnel be at top of the list?
July 7th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
No, Brien, you’re just made because I foiled your “other owners haven’t won either” excuse before you had a chance to use it. You know you were going to that.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
“mad”, not “made”
July 7th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Yeah Kell exactly and the punk who was in violation ran to wipe his clean kicks. Al is awesome
July 7th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Poor little Genital – you can duck and hide all you want (it’s your nature, after all), but the fact remains:
I’m here waiting and you chickened out. Period. End of story.
Don’t worry Brian, I’ll remind you about this sad day in your blog life ALL the time!
Dudes, I just love watching a blog nerd squirm. Right now Brian the Genital’s world is crumbling all around him and going into serious melt down mode. Should be fun to watch!
His only hope is getting a nice long hug from his grandpa Krappy. But that old fool had bigger fish to fry – like the 7 lb turdling in his khakis.
ON TOP OF THE WORLD, MA!
July 7th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Of course you’re going to give the humbled answer now, Brien. I foiled the only standing excuse available to you before you had a chance to use it.
July 7th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Duly noted. Just trying to sweep up the piles of crap that accumulate here on a daily basis.
Thank you,
Janatorial Staff
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LOL!
good one Davy Jones
hey look, your punching bag has logged on. have fun
July 7th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
MR wrong….other owners mean nada if we talking why Al has lost. When have u ever seen me talk about other owners when reasoning for Al’s struggles?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Kell you asked why and I gave you an answer. Wouldnt personnel be at top of the list?
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The foul odor in the Organization, incompetent management is the top of the list.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Whoever that coach was, I’m sure he’s been wiping his shoes on Al Davis’s football teams ever since. All of Al’s ex coaches are Raider killas.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
MR you cant….now stay on the kiddie side of the pool….you lied about Wolf and lied about Elway….its just added to your already long list of lies
July 7th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Aw, Brien, you poor thing. Alright, I’ll tell you what. Let’s pretend I never brought it up. I’ll go ahead and let you use the other owners excuse. You know you were going to, before I ruined it for you. But now I’ll let you do it, and we’ll pretend I never said anything. Will that make you feel better?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Humbled? I humbled you already many times MR….yyou have yet to do it with me. You have conceded defeat many times when i smack ya around and bloggers are witnesses lol
July 7th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Since 2005, Cooper Carlisle has been a full-time starter (starting 95 of 96 possible games)
His teams rushing rank:
‘10 – 2nd
‘09 – 21st
‘08 – 10th
‘07 – 6th
‘06 – 5th
‘05 – 2nd
Not a bad resume.
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JFB,
Marshawn Lynch is going to have a career year with Tom Cable, Robert Gallery & Cooper Carlisle in Seattle
this will be his 2nd Pro Bowl
July 7th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
“Al is 100 percent involved,” Packers general manager Ron Wolf said. “For anyone to say anything different would be incorrect. He runs it.”
http://articles.sfgate.com/1996-04-16/sports/17772236_1_raiders-marcus-allen-pro-bowl-appearances
Checkmate, b*tches.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
The numbers don’t lie, Brien.
Wolf has won a Super Bowl without Al Davis.
Davis hasn’t won jack without Ron Wolf but a few division titles. Could you imagine if We’d never had Gruden? Goodness… Worst franchise in sports history.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Duck and hide? Beecher where is the home base of Raiders? Where do I live? Where are the home games? Where is a good place where all the bloggers can see you and I fight? Thanks….but you backed down. I even gave you options and you backed dowwn….u similar to MR….ITS OKAY small fry
July 7th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Hue could probably sell a truckload of fertilizer to a dairyman….
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909,
thats nothing. JFB could sell the Book of Mormon to Al-Q@eda
July 7th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Imagine, Davy and Brien….
if we’d never had Wolf or Gruden. What…one division title? Bo Jackson in 1990? And there were still a lot of Wolf guys around then. Just imagine. Of course the league would never allow a franchise to suck that bad. Al would be gone by now.
One division title without Ron Wolf and Jon Gruden. No Super Bowls. No conference championships. Just one division title. And imagine what the Raiders overall w/l record would be. Yikes. Good grief.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Davy Jones<—–dont hit em that hard! lol
July 7th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Wow, Brian the Genital is well known for getting smacked around the blog daily, but today he’s getting absolutely HUMILIATED!
You gotta wonder how much more abuse the poor blog punching bag can take, huh?
Anyway, I’ll just kick back here with a little Missing Persons and a fresh Mai Tai and enjoy the free entertainment!
SUCKA MCS IN THE PLACE TO BE
July 7th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
later, guys.
And, Kell, yes. Since 1983. My goodness. No supposed “genius” goes that long without being the best in their respective industry. Al’s a total fraud.
Later.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
MR show one post ever where Ive used the other owners as an excuse…..i’ll wait
July 7th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
*reggae rendition of “End of the Road”*
July 7th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
The Raiders haven’t developed a QB since 1968. Why do you think that is?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Beecher not one person on this blog will agree wit ya on that. We know your some little short stump of a man who plays Guitar Hero late at night to ease awayy the pain of being a 45 yr old loser who has closet issues
July 7th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
MR who hired Wolf and Gruden? Thanks
July 7th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Kell the Raiders arent too good at developing qbs….manyy on blog agree…..now whats the issue?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
The issue is, the Raiders can’t develop a QB. Pretty big issue, yes?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
MR/Raider, before convining all of us, why not try convincing Ron Wolf and Jon Gruden? Just saying, if you can’t get them to believe this BS, why should we give your conspiracy theory any credit whatsoever?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Redskins won’t cut Haynesworth (PFT)
LOL!
Shanny is destroying that team. I love it
July 7th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
If Al is such a fraud if Al is so awful…why are MR and KK paying so much attention to his franchise? Why not come back when Al is dead? Many up here chose that route…….you must like the abuse lol
July 7th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Brian the Genital, even weak attempts at humor will never cover up the fact that you got exposed for being a coward. And I’ll remind you about it pretty much every day from here on out. Cool, huh?
Sorry little dude, I’m sure it must hurt. A lot.
Btw, what does your mom in Florida think of the Anthony verdict? She must be one of those nut jobs holding a sign in front of the courthouse.
Like I always say, you gotta love the Kellys!
July 7th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
How can you have any kind of winning consistency when you can’t develop a QB?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Kell naw….not for me old fart……we will win again and this yeaaar as long as cba is reached we shall do it
July 7th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Titans QB Kerry Collins has retired.
Who is gonna mentor Jake Locker?
Chris Simms, Brett Ratliff or Rusty Smith.
LOL
July 7th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
John Mackey had dementia…..Al Davis doesnt……MR GO BACK TO THE LAB BUDDY
July 7th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
The Raiders haven’t developed a homegrown QB in 43 years!!!!
Think about that for a minute.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Weak attempts? Please my comedy is timeless Platinum style….I rip folks to shreds and its hilarious. Mom jokes? Beecher now thaats lame….grow up you little queen……Now explain how Im a coward….I wanna hear this one lol
July 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Krappy, you haven’t sold a listing in 5 – 43 years.
Think about that for a week.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Kell,
If the Raiders can’t develop QB’s and it’s all Al’s fault, whats the solution?
Davis isn’t going anywhere, so you’re left with two options.
A) Keep trying to draft guys for the biannual coaching carousel to develop
B) stick with veteran stop gaps until one that fails elsewhere impresses here
July 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Rockstar….#946…
LOL…good one..
July 7th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Lol at the Beast Campbell hate.
The guy was a top 5 LT prospect and you don’t think the guy can even play friction guard?
Unbelievable!
Savage and Beast have the OG spots locked up.
Print that!
July 7th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
We don’t develop QBs and we will not take Pryor even though we have a QB/WR coach as head coach. I think we actually take Vince Young before we take Pryor and Young is a pain in the @$$!!!!
July 7th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Beecher i got posts from 2008 to 2011 of me calling you out. Yesterday I did it again and you cried about season may not be played. i even gave you an out and said 3rd street promenade in santa monica but yet Im the coward? lol you better look up the definition again buddy
July 7th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Who the F are we going to get to play backup QB???
Is Frye going to be ready?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Rockstar
Hue Jackson is Al Davis’ last chance.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Dementia is a terrible terrible disease, and I know Al Davis doesn’t have it! He may get names wrong (Lance, Kim), but he still has a very strong mind for someone that just turned 82…however, as much as I respect him, I think he should step down, but only because of age…he says 2 more, I say if somehow if we win it all this year (if there is a season), he will gladly go out on top again!
July 7th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Carlisle is not a savage….only pro bowlers get that tag….but he will be our LG……this Loper crap is dumb
July 7th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
What cracks me up is how many people including the blog writer thinks Pryor is a ligitimate pick. LMAO!!! Only if you need to develop another WR or use him like Cordell Stewart (Steelars) back in the day.
If that is the case teke him, but he is not a true WR. I am not saying he can’t develop years down the line but he is not ready. I went to two of his games live in the OSU shoe and watched him every weekend. He can’t throw an out pattern to save his life. He loves to key in on WRs and throw down the middle of the field, air balls. He will get those picked all day in the NFL.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Ok Brian, I’ll give you one last chance to prove to the blog that you’re not a coward -
Give us the day and time you’ll be here at the Ritz pool to get slapped around silly.
Ah, but we all know you won’t, right? Hence … you’re a coward.
Ruling over you never felt soooo good!
July 7th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Ok if Hue is Al’s last chance why dont you stop all the negative posts? You saying its not done if there is still a chance……hypocrite
July 7th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
He sure looks like he has Dementia.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/526101/AlDavis1_medium.jpg
July 7th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Southwick will get Al back to glory
July 7th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
“For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes.”
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Can you imagine how he treats the poor fellow who changes his diapers?
Brien, holla at us. Lol.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Beecher I got a fair way to settle this….if there is no season i’ll be in LA next month so I can come and beat your ass at the Ritz in whatever city you claim to be from…..but if there is a season you gotta come to Coliseum in the lot so bloggers can see me beat the fk outta u……deal or no deal?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Kell….Al looks like it u say but does that mean he has it? I say you’re half white cuz you look like it….but you were quite silent on it then said I think lightskinned guys are all mixed….see you contradicting yourself
July 7th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Kell….Al looks like it u say but does that mean he has it? I say you’re half white cuz you look like it….but you were quite silent on it then said I think lightskinned guys are all mixed….see you contradicting yourself
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If I don’t respond, it means it’s too stupid, Brien.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
KK = pnut butta brotha lol
July 7th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Beecher….MistaBrown,Drexl, 707raiders, Raider Dell, Norco Bob and Rxeray all have met me….DMAC has spoke on the phone with me…even ArchiveTony even has emailed me…..I dont run I can prove who I am…..can you?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
And Kell just responded hahahahahahaha….that was easy
July 7th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Hilarious, Brain wants to fight in front of other bloggers.
Sure, you got it, little Genital. That is a great proposition that you’re guaranteed to puss out of. Either way, you Kellys just kill me.
Oh yeah and be sure to log this conversation in your “blog archives”. Dweeb.
Bros I’m getting a few bear skinned rugs delivered this afternoon for the dance floor on the Reggae Party Boat.
I’m going to give them a make out test run with my ladies after they’re installed, if you know what I mean.
CASH MONEY EQUAL CASH HONEYS
July 7th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
So Kell you arent half white?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
And Kell just responded hahahahahahaha….that was easy
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Hahahaha Hehehe Hahahahahaha Hehehehe
You little High School girl.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Lol you guys hear Beecher agree? Now those of yall who know me know I wont back out lol…..Beecher will be nowhere when its time to meet up…..promise ya that
July 7th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
“For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes.”
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Can you imagine how he treats the poor fellow who changes his diapers?
Brien, clue us in. Lol.
July 7th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
So Ritz in Marina Del Ray is it Beecher? lol
July 7th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Kell I havent had the honor to work for Al yet….still holding on hope tho. Thanks for your concern tho
July 7th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
You hang out with other bloggers … AND talk to them on the phone?!?
Too hilarious, Genital. Please continue this epic meltdown of yours. It’s so awesome!
Anyone out there know how to deep fry a Chipwich?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Kell I havent had the honor to work for Al yet….still holding on hope tho. Thanks for your concern tho
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Ahh, so that’s why you suck his diaper all day, every day. I see.
Holding out hope to go to work for a 82 year old man? as diaper changer?
July 7th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Meltdown lol….Beecher point was those ppl waanted to know who the Bauce was…..no issue with that. Im never scared unlike you
July 7th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
And you’re totally lying about the Ritz thing…..only a fool would think Marina Del Ray is off the 91! Lol I been to Marina del Ray hella times and that hotel is close off the 90! You cant get those two freeways ever confused. Anyone from LA knows this hahahahahahahahahahahaha
July 7th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
So Beecher I’ll be expecting you at one of the 10 schedule games in Oakland this year. Playoff games dont worry about buddy….you wont be invited for that. only real Raiders will be there
July 7th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Its like getting I-280 and I-880 confused hahahahahahahahahahaha
July 7th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Naw Kell….Im not interested in holding a similar job to Mrs Kelly….diaper changing on grown men not my thing
July 7th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
But Kell nevermind Al for a seCond……anything on those links or that Elway quote from Sac Bee in 09?
July 7th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Chomp on that for a sec with your wooden George Washington teeth….I’ll be back later to see the riveting answers
July 7th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Never mind Al? this is a Raider blog right?
*The Raiders haven’t developed a homegrown QB in 43 years!!!!
*The Raiders recently set an NFL Record for Losing.
*The Raiders have lost 57% of their games since 1989.
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July 7th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
How about the most recent data, statistician?
* The 2010 Raiders tied for 2nd in sacks
* The 2010 Raiders starter at RB was 2nd in the league in overal yardage and led the league in runs of 20+ and 40+ yards
* The 2010 Raiders swept their AFC opponents.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Good. Like I said, Hue Jackson is Al Davis’ last chance.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Not going to say you’re wrong. Al might have another chance after Hue, but at 82 he won’t have many.
But I like how it feels. Hue’s the first coach since Gruden that can beat another team with a gameplan, IMHO.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Hue Jackson is Al Davis’ last chance
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Kell,
I don’t think the Jackson/Campbell duo is anything close to the Gruden/Gannon combo.
Hue Jax & JCamp have potential, but remember that nobody wanted Campbell as a starting QB and nobody wanted Jackson as a Head Coach prior to Al Davis snagging the both as a “hope for the best” measure. These guys are nowhere near AS GOOD AS IT GETS imo
I’m not even certain they’ll bludgeon Fox & Tebow over in Dungver!
July 7th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Davy Jones Says:
July 7th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Not going to say you’re wrong. Al might have another chance after Hue, but at 82 he won’t have many.
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Not only the age. But 22,000 season ticket holders. Another coaching change would decimate even that meager amount.
No businessman can go on without customers.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Brian the Genital its going to be so awesome to see you hide and wait for the season to start. Can’t wait to roast you every day about it!
Of course when it does, you’ll start begging me to show up to go Hermes Franca on your melon.
That’s 2 months you’ll be hiding scared from your master and lord, Beeecham.
So which blogger are you calling tonight for some chit chat? Too hilarious! I love it!
Just brought in the Coors Light Party Ball for some mad jacuzzi action. Holla back at yo bizz oy.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Al Davis right now is an anvil around the necks of the other investors.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Bicher why don’t you send us a few pics of those skins,boat, and hoes
July 7th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Ha, there’s my newest minion/servant raiderfandork, showing up on cue to give me praise.
So which fast food joint in Sacramento do you clean milkshake machines for?
C’mon minion newbie, tell my fellow bloggers all about yourself!
MO MONEY = NO PROBLEMS (TRUST ME, I KNOW)
July 7th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Bicher you mean you got a 40 of Coors for a bidet? LMFAO …what a joke. Only a real dweeb would keep makin whist like that up.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Hurts to have to serve folks like me and my ladies in your drive thru lane, huh little dork?
I love that I can get under your skin so easily. Honestly, I don’t remember owning a blogger this quickly before. But I’ll take it!
And to answer your question, yes I am strongly considering you for my stable of obedient minions.
FILET MIGNON FOR BREAKFAST BIGGIE SMALLS STYLE Y’ALL
July 7th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
@Raiderfankirk
FYI:
What Is A Troll?
The term derives from “trolling”, a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.
Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is ‘recognition’; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it’s a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they’ll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that’s what they do!).
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July 7th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Bicher I got problems just like everybody else. Some more than others like dilutions of grandger.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Krappy I’m glad you have plenty of free time to research blog terminology rather than go out and hustle an actual, legitimate real estate listing.
Love you, old fool – don’t ever change!!
Nerds, I can’t decide if I should take the ladies back to Javier’s tonight or down to Rampart for some Tommy burgers and wine coolers.
Guess I’ll put on some classic Toto and get this figured out, wizzle.
July 7th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Not sure what grandger is – a new items on the value menu perhaps?
Dork, don’t worry I’ve got your problems solved. Now that you’re almost one of my official minions, you’ll have real meaning in your life. That is the gift I sometimes give to people.
And maybe, just maybe, you’ll be invited to work one of my party boats as a humble shrimp cocktail servant.
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July 7th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
FYI: Bumb Beech Is A Troll.
What Is A Troll?
The term derives from “trolling”, a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.
Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is ‘recognition’; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it’s a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they’ll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that’s what they do!).
http://www.flayme.com/troll/
July 7th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Krappy, you’re like a lovable old circus pet – you do whatever trick I want!
Now post the Raiders record over the last 7 years. Or tell us how much you hate Al Davis.
I’m sure KrappyWife and her bowl cut never get sick of hearing that one!
Hilarious
July 7th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
@kk. If calling a blatant liar a liar is a troll. Then yes I’m a troll . I come here to read Raider football. If I wanted to read politics then I would go to a political site. If I hated Al Davis and had no hope for the team I was clamming to be a fan of then I would go somewhere else.
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Maybe a prelude to an 18 game schedule?
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Just watched Plax on NFLN,very humbled. If I was any GM in the league I would want this guy on my team.
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