Get ready for cap crisis nonsense
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, July 14th, 2011 at 8:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.
With the players and owners reportedly on the fast track according to various ESPN reports we can begin to reintroduce ourselves to all the stories of salary cap hell.
It will happen almost immediately. A team will part with a big-named player, then a coach or GM will shrug his shoulders and say, “The cap made us do it.”
Someone will bypass the chance to sign a free agent and blame the salary cap.
And almost all of it will be nonsense.
There have already been some reports about how the Raiders will be incapable of bringing aboard anything substantial after signing up Richard Seymour and Stanford Routt to contracts before the lockout.
Does anyone remember before the the uncapped season how the Raiders would routinely have these huge overages against the salary cap _ as high as $40 or $50 million _ and then magically be under the cap and still be players in the free agent market?
It happened almost every year. Raiders cap strapped. Raiders make splash in free agency.
Tim Brown, former executive council member, once told me the biggest sham in the NFL was when teams say players were cut for cap reasons. No team, Brown maintained, ever lost a player they truly wanted to keep especially if the player was open to staying.
The cap becomes a convenient excuse to cut a player whose salary is deemed to be out of line.
A case in point was running back Thomas Jones, who was the heart and soul of the Jets running game in 2009 and a respected player by coaches and teammates alike. He was due to make $6 million in salary and had a large option bonus. It was an uncapped year. The Jets could simply have dug deep and paid the money. Instead, they cut Jones because it was more than they wanted to pay.
Teams do this all the time with a cap in place, then claim it as a “salary cap casualty” when addressing it with the media.
The Raiders, to their credit, never played that game.
It made sense, because they routinely entered the free agent market by playing the salary cap the way people refinance their homes. They simply extended contracts to their top players, cut their salaries to the minimum and spread bonus money out over the life of the deal to lessen the cap hit.
Brown did it almost every season. There’s a certain amount of dead money created, but it isn’t difficult to keep playing the cap game and pushing debt into the next season without ever really being accountable or losing a chance to sign someone.
During the seven awful seasons which preceded last year’s rise to .500, Oakland’s problem wasn’t how it managed the salary cap. They did that just fine, coming up with plenty of money to sign free agents. Their problem was in signing the wrong players.
If the Raiders aren’t active players in free agency, it won’t be because of the salary cap. It will be because after shelling out huge money to the likes of Gibril Wilson, Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall (by trade), they chose to go in another direction and develop younger players.
It won’t stop the flood of “Raiders in trouble against the cap” stories, despite historical evidence to the contrary.
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July 14th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Get it done. Only thing missing from Jerry’s breakdown is when the supplemental draft will take place.
July 14th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
Re-sign Miller and Bush.
Re-sign Huff (if we can get him on the cheap).
Make a reasonable offer to Nnamdi, and watch him walk. C’est la vie.
Take Pryor if he’s still there in 5th round of the Supplemental.
Sign a veteran OT (Henderson or Walker would be fine, also) to push Veldheer and Barksdale.
July 14th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Cut list
QB-Bruce
HB-Bennet
WR-JLH/N.Miller/(Unknown Yet)
OL-Everone except rookies,Veldheer,Campbell
LB-Groves
CB-Mcfadden
Could save around 10 million or more
July 14th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@Blackhole: Keep D. Loper and W. McFadden. Otherwise, good list.
July 14th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Correction Bruce’s and JHL’s contracts are up so my mistake
July 14th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Ah I forgot about Loper so it will probably look like
Veldheer,Loper,Wisniewski,Campbell,Barksdale all really young but I think it can be a great line but Walter has to go if not him then Ware
July 14th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Make a play for a veteran guard and develop our tackles during pre-season. And another dominant lb would be nice.
July 14th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
A veteran Cb would also be nice cuz our 2nd still drinks baby cups. Although I might not want Al writing the contract.
July 14th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
The Blackhole Says:
July 14th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Cut list
QB-Bruce
HB-Bennet
WR-JLH/N.Miller/(Unknown Yet)
OL-Everone except rookies,Veldheer,Campbell
LB-Groves
CB-Mcfadden
Could save around 10 million or more
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I’m not a fan of cutting all the vet OL. We do need to consider depth and continuity.
July 14th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Twocents Says:
July 14th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
I have not received a dime from any government agency. Although I would gladly take any of their ill gotten gains just to get even.
………..
BINGO!
There it is. Every Republican that leaches off of the system has some clever excuse like this.
July 14th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
As far as politics goes, if you drive a car your using gubment resources. Whether it’s money or asphalt your using it.
July 14th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Lol Mr ur a jackass and a jerk and as a blogger I’m not a fan but if u were a politician you’d be great, the dems are too damn soft they need guys like u
July 14th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Looks like Aso has a lot of suitors. The more I look at teams that might want him the more I realize we don’t need him.
http://m.yahoo.com/w/sports/nfl/team/nfl.t.13/news/article?offset=0&urn=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2Csportsxchange%3A20080101%3Anfl%2Carticle%2Csportsxchange-000361911_report-asomugha-likely-to-rich-for-lions-blood%3A1&.ts=1310705697&.tsrc=yahoo&.intl=US&.lang=en
July 14th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
I’m not a politician. I’m just a regular, non-rich person exercising my first amendment right. That’s what truly angers you.
July 14th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Jerry i couldn’t agree more and i’ve said it many times people think Big Al signing Routt precludes him from signing Nnamdi. I keep telling people if Nnamdi wants to be a Raider he’ll be a Raider………….period
It has zero to do with who got what but people just don’t understand what I mean when I say it. We wont lose a single player that Big Al wants to keep…………period
July 14th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Cornfucious going to be very very serious.
Cornfucious going to be very very sad to see Nnamdi Asomugha go because he is a great Raider and now know that a cap cannot be no excuse any more. Why Al Davis not want to keep Nnamdi Asomugha and watch him go and help another team get superbowl. A big leaky hole be where Nnamdi Asomugha was and be able to fix.
Why Al Davis why you let Nnamdi Asomugha go. Get this locksown over.
July 14th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
What makes you feel Mr Davis doesn’t want to keep him. Everyone take sthat presser to literally he was just saying what most people would say it’s better to get 3 players for 15$mill int=stead of one. But what he wants is Nnamdi to show HE WANTS to be here. It’s time for Nnamdi to show some loyalty. Mr Davis has made him extremely rich now show he appreciates that.
July 14th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Not seal the deal with Nnamdi Asomugha before locksown, big money to defense already before locksown and draft.
July 14th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Cornfucious Says:
July 14th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Cornfucious going to be very very serious.
Cornfucious going to be very very sad to see Nnamdi Asomugha go because he is a great Raider and now know that a cap cannot be no excuse any more. Why Al Davis not want to keep Nnamdi Asomugha and watch him go and help another team get superbowl. A big leaky hole be where Nnamdi Asomugha was and be able to fix.
Why Al Davis why you let Nnamdi Asomugha go. Get this locksown over.
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The main teams wanting to get Nnamdi are NOT SB contenders. Pit and the Jets won’t pay that much cuz they don’t need him. Everyone else I hear is further away from a SB than us!
July 14th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Nnamdi owes the Raiders absolutely nothing.
July 14th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
lol@ the thought that there are a lot of teams further from the SB than the Raiders. Not too many. Really, none, considering our management handicaps us from getting so much as a winning season. As long as Al Davis is in charge of the Raiders, the Raiders are the least likely team to win a Super Bowl. No matter where Nnamdi goes, he has a better chance of getting a ring than he does here. Because that team won’t be sabotaged by a senile GM.
July 14th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Cornfucious cant understand why contending team would not use Nnamdi Asomugha. Big money for players may not be out there after greedy lawyers get done dilling rear end of owners for all the money they can.
And so mr raider, Nnamdi Asomugha owes the Raiders absolutely nothing, but I think Nnamdi Asomugha decent man enough inside to feel some loyalty towards man who make him millionaire and he very very compasionate about Oakland and the children and the charities.
Cornfucious want locksown to end now and be over and will go to big, very big party to celebrate end of locksown and everyone be happy that football will begin.
July 14th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Nnamdi is a great man whether he’s a Raider or not. Nnamdi is under no moral pressure whatsoever to accept a contract with the Raiders below his market value. He’s every bit as decent if he chooses to leave as he would be if he chose to stay. He owes the Raiders nothing. Not legally. Not morally. Not spiritually. Not formally or informally. There’s NOTHING the Raiders have given or could give Nnamdi Asomugha that he couldn’t get elsewhere.
July 14th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
In fact, the Raiders really owe the NFL for having a system that allows them to secure Asomugha’s services without his consent. The draft. Without it, Nnamdi’s never even here in the first place. After that Super Bowl debacle? There’s about 31 other teams Nnamdi would have instead chosen to play for.
July 14th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Nnamdi doesnt owe the raiders anything, but call me crazy, but i still see the raiders signing him. my reasons:
1: Al drafted him and he has blossomed into a great athlete. An athlete that is in his prime and Al’s has never lost a player, due to money issues. Esp a pro bowl player.
2. All of his family is in Cali. And i just dont see him pick up and leaving to the east coast.
3. He had every intension of playing this year with the raiders, but didnt meet a few marks, in terms of stats.
4. He signed the last 3 yr deal, and said he would stay, only if the team showed improvement…which they did.
5. His mentor in the league was Rod Woodson, which is now his DB coach.
6. Its the raiders and Al Davis. So i dont beileve anything the media, or even Jerry says sometimes, because you just dont know.
July 14th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Cornfusious you can’t sign someone who doesn’t wnat to be signed. Nnamdi has to want to be here. I cannot emphasize that enough you guys just assume Nnamdi wants to be here. Thnat isn’t necessarily the case. Also Nnamdi I’m sure wants to test FA and that is his right. No one knew the lockout would go this long but it has. That is gthe single biggest reason Nnamdi is not signed he wants to see who else is interested. He let everyone know he’s willing to give Nnamdi a fair price but he aint gonna break the bank to sign him.
July 14th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
priest, Nnamdi wants to be signed. He’s given the Raiders the clear and non-negotiable terms in which he’d sign for. He wants it. By the looks of things, the Raiders don’t think he’s worth it. It’s not a matter of how much Nnamdi wants to be a Raider. It’s a matter of how much the Raiders want Nnamdi. Nnamdi’s done his part.
July 14th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
If Jerry McDonald get’s on the outs with Herreria/Davis, he’s fk’d. Therefore…………………..
July 14th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Al has it all under control.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:00 am
Al Davis lost it years ago.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Some people see things one way, and they rationalize everything as to their way of seeing things. You either attack Al Davis or you’re being used by him. There are no objective opinions to be had just attack him so they can be happy. You’re not to have your own opinion.
Just hate Al Davis or you are a sucker for him. What a narrow minded point of view….
July 15th, 2011 at 1:07 am
Hav yet to hear something from Nnamdi along the lines of “All things being equal, I’d like to remain a Raider”.
Costs him nothing to say that.
Does Nnamdi owe the Raids anything ? Technically, no.
But it should be remembered that Al Davis made him the highest paid corner in the NFL. Signed Aso to a contract so lucrative that Davis was ridiculed and criticized by other teams for blowing up the salary structure for NFL cornerbacks.
So it would be nice for #21 to show a drop of loyalty.
Wouldn’t hurt to say something like “I’ve been treated very well by Mr. Davis and the Raiders. I’d like to be here continue my work in the community. But this is also a business decision and I must do what’s best for myself and my family.”
I think fans can appreciate that sort of stance.
Heck, say it even if you don’t mean it.
Should the Raids or Raider fans expect Nnamdi to sacrifice anything to remain in Oakland ? No.
Should they expect an employee that’s been remunerated so well to express a desire to remain with the team ? I think so.
Routt’s contract and the draft shows that Al is prepared for Aso’s departure. The writing is on the wall.
Things might have played out differently had Nnamdi said the right things. Davis values loyalty to the organization and might have been more inclined to continue paying Nnamdi the huge bucks. Who knows what’s been said privately or what their relationship is really like ?
Bottom line is Nnamdi hasn’t expressed a desire to remain a Raider and Al hasn’t shown that he’s committed to retaining his services at an exorbitant price.
I’d be shocked to see Asomugha wearing the Silver and Black again.
July 15th, 2011 at 1:34 am
I think we should sign zach miller first,then resign satele and langston walker for a year because our line would be too young with the lockout.I also agree with the person that said aso should want to be here and take resonable money and not try to set a record.I also think campbell should be a tackle and barksdale should be a guard.
July 15th, 2011 at 1:52 am
I know there are some very underrated young vets that can be had for pretty cheap. CB Richard Marshall, LG Justin Blalock are two examples of guys I’d love to sign that won’t cost a lot of money. I’d like to bring back Capt. Kirk to play OLB. OT/OG Marshal Yanda would be a great pick up as well. I think those would be my biggest free agent wants that can be cheap.
CB Richard Marshall
OL Capt. Kirk
LG Justin Blalock
RT/RG Marshal Yanda
July 15th, 2011 at 2:25 am
Thanks Jerry.
“They did that just fine, coming up with plenty of money to sign free agents. Their problem was in signing the wrong players”.
100% spot on.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:31 am
3.The Blackhole Says:
July 14th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Cut list
QB-Bruce
HB-Bennet
WR-JLH/N.Miller/(Unknown Yet)
OL-Everone except rookies,Veldheer,Campbell
LB-Groves
CB-Mcfadden
Could save around 10 million or more
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After losing his job to a rookie who then got hurt and after the first 6-8 games I’d have said ditch Groves too but he finally started looking like a high draft pick with some solid play and a few safeties sprinkled in here and there.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:34 am
At some point Davis will get that $9 million+ back from Russell. Guaranteed.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:37 am
31.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
July 14th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Al has it all under control.
32.RAIDER Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:00 am
Al Davis lost it years ago.
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Love how two people can see the same thing so differently and both be right.
Raider Nation
July 15th, 2011 at 2:45 am
The guy with all the stolen Picasso`s was hiding out in Napa,didnt he know the players were locked out im sure TK would of had one
July 15th, 2011 at 4:14 am
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/bianca_tai_larussa_is_an_oakland_raiders_cheerleader_and_tonys_daughter/4618684
Not bad, but Tony should spring for some nice boobies for his little angel.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:24 am
High hopes for this year, I just hope We can avoid major injuries. We are going into the season with perhaps the best RB in the game, especially if Hue and Soupcan can get him the ball in the air. Think about that for a sec. How long has it been since we had a rusher like DMac?
And to have Bush backing him! Yea baby!! I am more worried about the line this year then last year. Getting a vet or two on the roster will be the easy part. The coaches and Soup, especially need to get that line playing well.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:30 am
That line has to play well early on too. We cannot afford to have a slow start with the schedule we have.
I cant wait to see Jacoby in his second year. Two huge playmakers on the field at the same time. And its make or break for DHB. The potential is there and I suspect DHB will step up his game.
Campbell needs to have his best year yet in the NFL. Al will need to draft two QB’s next year. (I think there will be some great QB prospects next draft and I am not talking about first rounders.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:35 am
According to a report by NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora on July 12th, he implies that Mike Shanahan and the Redskins want to purposely keep Albert Haynesworth away from the Eagles. Here is the exact excerpt from the report: Team sources maintain that they can’t foresee the Redskins keeping either quarterback Donovan McNabb or defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth. Receiving much for either in a trade will prove quite difficult given their contracts, and several team sources believe Shanahan ultimately will take anything he can for Haynesworth. The Redskins are particularly concerned that if they release Haynesworth, he will sign with the NFC East rival Philadelphia Eagles and reunite with his former Tennessee Titans position coach, Jim Washburn. If this is the case, should this be considered a smart tactical move by the Redskins or should it be considered an admission of fear for an opponent? At the very least, it means they believe Haynesworth would be a force with Jim Wash… According to a report by NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora on July 12th, he implies that Mike Shanahan and the Redskins want to purposely keep Albert Haynesworth away from the Eagles. Here is the exact excerpt from the report: Team sources maintain that they can’t foresee the Redskins keeping either quarterback Donovan McNabb or defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth. Receiving much for either in a trade will prove quite difficult given their contracts, and several team sources believe Shanahan ultimately will take anything he can for Haynesworth. The Redskins are particularly concerned that if they release Haynesworth, he will sign with the NFC East rival Philadelphia Eagles and reunite with his former Tennessee Titans position coach, Jim Washburn. If this is the case, should this be considered a smart tactical move by the Redskins or should it be considered an admission of fear for an opponent? At the very least, it means they believe Haynesworth would be a force with Jim Wash…
July 15th, 2011 at 4:40 am
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/redskins_scared_of_albert_haynesworth_joining_the_philadelphia_eagles/5539738
Theres more on the Hanyesworth article
Could Hue get a year or two from Albert?
He wants to play in our system and I think playing next to Richard would be great for Albert and the Oakland Raiders. Is he too big a knucklehead or does Hue even have that rule.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:48 am
Yeah, but just like every time you refinance your house, your payments go down (potentially) but you end up paying more over the life of the loan.
Al kept spreading out the dead money, until we hit a point last year in Al’s presser, where he point blank said he does not have the revenues to match other teams.
So whether it is a salary-cap issue with Nnamdi or not, Al doesn’t have the bread like he used to keep stretching out money to work around the cap.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:51 am
Am I the only one who feels a bit sorry for Jim Harbaugh. I like him and he will be a great coach, but not for the niners.
I bet he never wins more then 8 games at SF.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:56 am
Al is not the only owner that will have to fess up to being broke. I thought we would have seen some teams fold by now in nfl/nba/mlb/nhl.
Isnt attendence way down this year in MLB? I was gonna say it looks to me like it is from watching games now and then but you probaly know the answer off the top your head. : )
July 15th, 2011 at 5:04 am
So which football team is more likely to fold if/when the commies finish their dream of destroying America.
I hate to say it but the Raiders may be at the top of the list.
Heck Al might design it that way with his ego. His graveyard maker will say I brought them into this world and I took them out.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:26 am
Isnt attendence way down this year in MLB?
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Attendance is way up this year in baseball.
The Dodgers attendance is waaaaaay down though this year.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:27 am
Teams that are more likely to relocate (don’t think any team will just fold and go away) are the Raiders, Chargers and Vikings.
Teams with awful stadiums, that no new ownership group would want any part of.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:31 am
Remember the game is a business, and when you are talking about business people buying a team, they care about the business of it.
What drives the “business”? Stadium-revenues. Sponsorships, attendance, suite-revenues, even using it for other events like Jerry Jones having Pacquaio fight in his house (and making a ton of money of it).
These new ownership groups could care less about the mystique of a team from the 70’s. They want to know how they are going to make money off their investment. TV revenue’s are fairly fixed, not much of anything one specific owner can do to drive up his portion of the revenues from TV.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:33 am
Actually, I have to correct myself.
MLB attendance was down 218,000 from this point from last year.
However, the Dodgers alone are done over 500K (LMAO) from last year.
So remove the Dodgers, and attendance is up.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:35 am
Shouldn’t have too much dead money towards the cap this year, I would guess.
Who could we still owe money to? Jamarcus, Javon would be my only guesses.
Maybe Al can get DHB to renegotiate.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:41 am
LMAO…..the end is near folks.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2011/07/15/MNL61KAHVQ.DTL
July 15th, 2011 at 6:03 am
Im suprised that ticket sales are up. Must be nice
July 15th, 2011 at 6:05 am
Many games I see on TV has huge sections of empty seats unless its the Northeast. They still pack them in up there.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:09 am
If the Raiders moved to LA I fear they would become the “face” of illegal nation
July 15th, 2011 at 6:09 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
JFB, how are you this morning? That link…seriously? The end is near…lol
July 15th, 2011 at 6:24 am
On another note: According to Schefter…The NFL season is getting closer…
Based on Jerry’s article, do you think that Al will use that excuse of “The cap made me do it…” if he let’s go Nnamdi and Huff?
July 15th, 2011 at 6:25 am
I’m good man, and you?
Crazy that it has to be a LAW. You want to teach about Harvey Milk, than go ahead. Something to be learned there I am sure.
But to make it mandatory?? What the hell does a kid in Ridgecrest care about local San Fran politics?
July 15th, 2011 at 6:33 am
Morning Raider Nation!
Signed in last night after being gone for a while and read a few posts. Some things don’t change here. The name calling etc. Much better in the morning and afternoon. Can’t wait for some real football so were can argue over legit issues. By the way, are we going to do the same fantasy league this year? if so, I’m in.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:37 am
Once the season is announced, we should e-mail Dell to see about the FF semi-pro league.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:44 am
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Nnamdi “owes” the Raiders anything, but it’s not like the Raiders haven’t done anything for him. They drafted him far higher than expected, and they made him the highest paid defender in the game- both moves that certain “fans” on this board no doubt criticized at the time.
I think Nnamdi should offer up a home town discount. Yes, he is the best CB in the game, but this team made him rich as a rookie and even richer with his recent contract. I would hope he’s got enough money to be willing to negotiate.
If winning is what he wants to do now, the Eagles I could understand; but the Texans? I’d say he’s got a better chance if he stays put, and more glory for leading the Raiders out of the ruts.
I think his departure is 50-50.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:47 am
They all say they want to go to a winner……than 90% of the time they sign for who gives them the most money.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:49 am
As the late Chick Hearn would say about Nnamdi, he’s gone. “The door is closed…..the lights are out, the eggs are cooling, the butter’s getting hard, and the jello’s jiggling.”
July 15th, 2011 at 6:54 am
I all along thought the landing spot for Nnamdi would be the Vikings.
They have the need, the salary cap money, and their coach is a former DB.
I know people make a big deal about Rod Woodson as Nnamdi’s “mentor”, but Rod is the assistant secondary coach here. When I watched his interview at the combine, he seemed to have the approach of giving it ONE year, and see if he likes it or not.
I can’t imagine that an assistant secondary coach, who stills seem on the fence as far as professional coaching, is going to make any difference in Nnamdi’s biggest decision of his adult proffesional life so far.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Chick would also say about the odds of Nnamdi resigning, “He has two chances, slim and none, and slim just left the building:”
Don’t get me wrong, I want Nnamdi to remain a Raider but I don’t think it’s realistic. I hope I’m wrong.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:56 am
62.Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 6:25 am
I’m good man, and you?
Crazy that it has to be a LAW. You want to teach about Harvey Milk, than go ahead. Something to be learned there I am sure.
But to make it mandatory?? What the hell does a kid in Ridgecrest care about local San Fran politics?
I agree!
July 15th, 2011 at 6:58 am
The easiest way for Nnamdi to stay a Raider, is if his FA market value is much lower than he anticipated.
But I am sure, at least one team will throw a bunch of money at him, a sum that Al wouldn’t even be close to offering.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:03 am
I think his departure is 50-50.
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If the 120 million salary cap rumor is true, I’d say it’s more like 99-1 that he’s history.
Jerry is correct that the Raids have always managed to work around the cap. But this scenario could be a little different.
Don’t forget, we’d be suddenly going from no cap to one that the Raids already substantially exceed. It would take alot more than just DHB restructuring to work around this problem. There’s only so much creative bookkeeping and restructuring that can be done.
I wouldn’t go as far as calling it a cap crisis, but I wouldn’t dismiss it as ‘nonsense’ either.
The cap is definitely something the Raids have to consider when contemplating potential personnel moves.
Even without cap ramifications, I’d put the chances of Nnamdi staying with the Raids at less than 20%.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:07 am
Will depend on how these tender things work out as well for the cap.
If tbey keep the tenders in the CBA, than Bush is sticking around for one year at about 3 million (very cap-friendly).
If we can’t tender him, and have to match other offers or sign him to a long-term deal, that will cost us a lot more money, and probably a signing bonus as well.
Same, of course, goes for Zack Miller.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:16 am
They all say they want to go to a winner……than 90% of the time they sign for who gives them the most money.
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The more i think about it, i have to agree. I can understand him wanting to go to a winner, but on the other hand…who would return a winning lottery ticket?
July 15th, 2011 at 7:19 am
Houston is going to throw an obscene about of money at Nnamdi… maybe 18-20 million a year!
July 15th, 2011 at 7:21 am
IDK, I just don’t think it’s quite so done a deal as everyone thinks. Certainly Al Davis’ and Hue Jackson’s comments on the subject can’t be ignored, nor can the contract given to Routt.
But like Jerry, I think talk about cap troubles is really overblown. The Raiders’ issue in FA has never seemed to be about money or the cap, they seemingly always are able to find ways to deal with the cap.
It’s really about whether or not an FA from another team wants to come here, or whether or not an Oakland FA wants to leave.
And I think it’s not out of the question that Nnamdi wants to stay.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:24 am
I apologize for going off topic here, but found this hilarious!
Has anyone seen the article of the 20 y/o in Chicago that called the police after he was robbed of 2 pounds of weed? The guy that called(robbded) was arrested on four seperate counts when the police arrived. Lmao..dumba$$!
July 15th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Seems Al covered himself in the draft and kind of tipped his hand on his own FA’s.
RE-upped Routt, and drafted 2 DB’s in his first 4 picks.
Drafted Wiz to replace Satele.
Even drafted Taiwan in case Bush jets.
Seems like the writing is on the wall.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:26 am
I am really shocked that the proposed salary cap is lower than what it was in 09. Thats ridiculous. Yeah more money in owners pockets, but they are hindering their own ability to better their teams. I thought the cap would have been closer to 128 million…
Glad to hear they have agreed to the rookie wage scale. Sounds like they only have a few ancillary issues to iron out and free agency could start as early as a week from today!
July 15th, 2011 at 7:28 am
The Raiders’ issue in FA has never seemed to be about money or the cap, they seemingly always are able to find ways to deal with the cap.
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Yeah, it is called mortgaging the future, and you can only do that for so long.
The smart players, like Tim Brown, will renegotiate their contract, to get less money today, but more money over the life of the contract.
Dumb players like Jamarcus, will refuse to renegotiate, so they can get as much money today, by giving up some potential long-term dollars.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:29 am
I dont think he draft Taiwan to replace Bush, he would have went for a different style back to replace Bush imo. Bush is only going to have 3 years of credited service and wont be leaving anyways.
I still maintain that we are targeting 2-3 Olineman in FA.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:32 am
We have to get some bodies for the O-line via FA.
We just can’t expect a bunch of rookies and 2nd year guys, to not only be good and upgrades, but also stay healthy all year.
Just ain’t happening.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:32 am
I’m interested to see what the wage will be for top 10 draft picks now.
I hope they lift this lockout soon and get on with it already!
July 15th, 2011 at 7:33 am
Bcz,
The question is what will it take to keep Bush.
Can we just tender him on a one-year deal, or are they going to do away with tenders, and while he will still be restricted, we will still have to offer him some type of a long-term deal.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:36 am
I don’t even kno if they were even targeting a rb in the draft. Didn’t Hue say Tawaiin was just too good to pass up on in that round?
July 15th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Bush only has 3 years accredited service, he wont be any type of free agent restricted or otherwise.
The #1 draft pick is supposed to have a maximum of $34 million guaranteed, but there is no slotting of the first rounders. Oh and rookies are not able to renegotiate their contracts until after year 3.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:38 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 6:37 am
Once the season is announced, we should e-mail Dell to see about the FF semi-pro league.
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JFB
As soon as the league is a league again, all semi pro invites to FFL will be sent out.
Also, a few changes as recommended by Marley.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Bush only has 3 years accredited service, he wont be any type of free agent restricted or otherwise.
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But his contract expired last year, so he will need SOME type of contract in place right?
July 15th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Yeah, it is called mortgaging the future, and you can only do that for so long.
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Kind of like the national debt.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:24 am
But his contract expired last year, so he will need SOME type of contract in place right?
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Guess Im going to have to do some more research on this.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:25 am
How’s it going Dell. Looking forward to getting out of the basement in FF
July 15th, 2011 at 8:30 am
Whats up Dell looking forward to defending my crown this season!
July 15th, 2011 at 8:43 am
A funny thing just happened. On a couple of occasions on First Take on ESPN I’ve heard certain debaters say things so closely mimicing something I posted in here it’s as if the read my post and repeated virtually verbatum. A while ago after the NBA finals Jalen Rose described what the Heat needed to do so close a what I posted in here it was as if he was reading it to Skip Bayless.
Now I just heard Skip Bayless essentially do the same thing about what I’ve said concerning Nnamdi as a talent. He used key words that I normally use and said them as if he got them from me. A few weeks back a did a side by side comparison of Nnamdi and Revis their strengths and what kind of player I thought they were. Now he did discuss Revis so much as he did Nnamdi. Saying that Nnamdi mirrors rec.s as did Mike Haynes comparing Nnamdi to Mike Haynes in style and ability. And he said what I said as far as him being the best at doing what he does. I’m not sure who on the network or show reads this blog but I’m almost convinced someone who’s respected does. Because Skip said what I’ve said about Nnamdi almost verbatum. Once is a coincidence twice is a pattern and three times is conclusive evidence. Someone there reads this blog I’m not sure who it is but it’s a lock.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Raider Dell nice to see you.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
July 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Delusions of grandeur this early Priest? lol
July 15th, 2011 at 8:57 am
This is the list of things we have beaten like a dead horse during the lockout:
1. Where will Nnamdi end up?
2. Can JC get us to the playoffs?
3. Do we need to sign a veteran WR?
4. Will we sign an experienced back up QB?
5. Will Rolando Mcclain have a breakout season in 2011?
6. Can MM be a starter and will Huff leave?
7. Can Routt replace Nnamdi?
8. Will McFadden stay healthy all season?
9. Will the addition of Woodson influence Al to change our defensive scheme?
10. Is Wimbly worth what we are paying him?
11. Can Hue Jackson make the transition from OC to HC?
And last but not least how many times will KK soil his adult diapers this week?
This is what occupies us during the lockout, we would all rather be talking about who is going to make the roster and who is on the bubble etc.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:58 am
8. Will McFadden stay healthy all season?
You are now on the Haters list.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Dakota, I served my sentence. Per you, I was to be removed from the hater’s list and returned to the believers in McFadden list. Future Hall of Famer!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 9:14 am
I smashed a playstation 3 controller when McFadden got hurt… I should be off that damn list too. I never even doubted him and ended up on there!
July 15th, 2011 at 9:14 am
haha We are all snapping at Dells knees.
Start FF before Dell gets ate
July 15th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 8:57 am
This is the list of things we have beaten like a dead horse during the lockout:
1. Where will Nnamdi end up?
Not in Oakland
2. Can JC get us to the playoffs?
Yes
3. Do we need to sign a veteran WR?
Yes
4. Will we sign an experienced back up QB?
We should..
5. Will Rolando Mcclain have a breakout season in 2011?
Yes
6. Can MM be a starter and will Huff leave?
MM is the starter and Huff is gone!
7. Can Routt replace Nnamdi?
Yes
8. Will McFadden stay healthy all season?
No
9. Will the addition of Woodson influence Al to change our defensive scheme?
I sure hope so..
10. Is Wimbly worth what we are paying him?
No
11. Can Hue Jackson make the transition from OC to HC?
Yes
And last but not least how many times will KK soil his adult diapers this week?
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This is what occupies us during the lockout, we would all rather be talking about who is going to make the roster and who is on the bubble etc.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Its good to see everyone here already fired up for the third annual semipro blogger championship
July 15th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Dakota I was not expressing an opinion just listing the things we have been debating during the lockout. so please remove me from the haters list.
I asked you to email me some Grand Canyon pictures yesterday…..do you have any?
July 15th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Shame on you for removing names from the hater list, unless I can get off the dam list
July 15th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Granduer are you serious? I consider it plagerism these guys obviously do this often to a lot of people. Not just me, it makes me think they surf looking for stuff they can steal. Not that they disagree with it so much as to give them material because sometimes others opinions are better than your own. I do that often in here I compliment people for great post because they say things better than I would’ve said it. To a certain extent I can see myself doing it too. I’m was making gthe point that someone on that show reads this blog. Not patting myself on the back so much.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Whats up bay to la? You moved to that hellhole las vegas? Or have they renamed it East L.A.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Plunk, I think you got me confused…I’m r8eray!
July 15th, 2011 at 9:25 am
I guess if Skip wanted to get some material for his always illogical points, Priest would be a good place to go.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:25 am
I just texted Skip Bayless. He admitted to stealing your takes. He would not admit to bugging your phones, though. He says it is probaly the MLB. They have everyone bugged.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Ten four Ray I mixed you up LA to the Bay
Hows Vegas?
July 15th, 2011 at 9:28 am
The Raiders, to their credit, never played that game.
It made sense, because they routinely entered the free agent market by playing the salary cap the way people refinance their homes. They simply extended contracts to their top players, cut their salaries to the minimum and spread bonus money out over the life of the deal to lessen the cap hit.
Brown did it almost every season. There’s a certain amount of dead money created, but it isn’t difficult to keep playing the cap game and pushing debt into the next season without ever really being accountable or losing a chance to sign someone.
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BCZ,
so if DHB takes a paycut from $1 million, what do you propose his 2011 salary will be?
Chaz is making 555k, so I’m guessing it’d be more than that for a Top 10 draft pick entering Year #3 (versus an injury prone 7th rounder entering Year #4)
July 15th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Plunketthead Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Ten four Ray I mixed you up LA to the Bay
Hows Vegas?
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LOL!!
Oh…Now it’s not a hellhole?
It’s the same…hellhole (or at least it’s hot like one!)
Moved back after one year in L.A.. The fast life ain’t for me anymore..I’m retired (i wish)!
July 15th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Re-sign Miller and Bush.
Re-sign Huff (if we can get him on the cheap).
Make a reasonable offer to Nnamdi, and watch him walk. C’est la vie.
Take Pryor if he’s still there in 5th round of the Supplemental.
Sign a veteran OT (Henderson or Walker would be fine, also) to push Veldheer and Barksdale.
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Duck,
I agree with this (for the most part)
I’ll take Barnes over Walker (unless you’re gonna use LW as a guard again). I’ll take Pryor in the 3rd as he won’t be available in the 5th
Huff voided the final year of his contract and is coming off of his best NFL season. He’s gonna want to be paid – I think he lands in Houston
Al Davis never really liked Huff. He was an Art Shell pick (AD wanted Leinart). I think Branch & Mitchell will start at safety
Another important task is re-signing Reece & Satele. Both were offered tenders, but to my knowledge have never signed them. We need Satele to back up Wiz and Reece creates an extra weapon for the offense (we need as many as we can get!)
July 15th, 2011 at 9:34 am
DHB is scheduled to make over 7.5 million next year, which puts him in the top 15 highest-paid WR’s in the NFL.
Between DHB and Javon Walker, I think we have spent over 40 million so far between the two, for 3 whole TD’s.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:34 am
so if DHB takes a paycut from $1 million, what do you propose his 2011 salary will be?
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I wasnt calling for DHB to cut his salary. He should and most likely will restructure the bonus portion (over 5 million) to prorate it over a few year.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Blackhole,
why on earth would you want to part ways with Q Groves & Walt McFadden?
these guys are just coming into their own. Groves adapting to OLB life (played much better as the season progressed) and WMAC missed like 10 games with a hamstring injury last year – his rookie season
July 15th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Vonta Leach and Leron McClain are free agents and will set the market for fullbacks… Thats probably why Reece didnt sign. Not saying Reece is anywhere near the calibur of FB that Leach or Mcclain are, but fact is Reece can score from anywhere on the field. He and McClain are the only 2 fullbacks in the league you can say that about.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:41 am
DHB is scheduled to make over 7.5 million next year, which puts him in the top 15 highest-paid WR’s in the NFL
He should and most likely will restructure the bonus portion (over 5 million) to prorate it over a few years
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I see. He signed a 5-year deal and he’s in Year #3
If he restructures, that’s a TON of guaranteed money to be paid out in Years 4 & 5 – with a salary cap in place. Gotta think about the future too, man. Just good bookkeeping (I should know)
July 15th, 2011 at 9:44 am
How much of his ‘guaranteed’ money has already been paid out? I cant look at his financials on Roto at work.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Walter has to go if not him then Ware
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I don’t understand the logic here. You’re gonna cut one of these guys based upon last season’s performance RIGHT NOW? How much playing time did they actually get behind Asomugha, Routt & Johnson? Not much.
With Huff & Asomugha out of the picture, I see the secondary looking like this:
safety = Branch, Mitchell, Brown, Eugene
corner = Routt, CJ37, McFadden, Ware, DVD, Chekwa (yes – the Raiders should keep six CB’s)
If Jeremy Ware & Stevie Brown have to fight for a roster spot, so be it.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:49 am
How much of his ‘guaranteed’ money has already been paid out? I cant look at his financials on Roto at work.
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Roto doesn’t say.
This is a JFB question, not sure where he’s getting that info
July 15th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Why do you guys care what a player makes or doesn’t make? How in hell does that fulfill your day??
July 15th, 2011 at 9:59 am
There aren’t many if any players in this league WORTH the money they get paid. So why do you guys get all upset over what a particular player signed for. As the blog states and I agree and have said as much many times. The cap is for public and player consumption in order to negotiate the way owners or GM’s want to lie to other players. These guys sign who they really want to sign they find a way………….period
A huge portion of the reported salary is never paid so why the hue and cry??
July 15th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Why do you guys care what a player makes or doesn’t make? How in hell does that fulfill your day??
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We are discussing restructuring to aid in cap space… his salary is pretty importantant to the conversation.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:01 am
I personally dont give a shiz how much they pay the guys. We were discussing free agency and cap space, player salaries are obviously going to come into question.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:02 am
50.Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 5:27 am
Teams that are more likely to relocate (don’t think any team will just fold and go away) are the Raiders, Chargers and Vikings.
Teams with awful stadiums, that no new ownership group would want any part of.
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Cross the Vikes off that list and add the Jaguars.
The Vikes already have Goodells help in getting a new stadium built in Minny and it’s probably going to get done.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:04 am
The hell with cap space man! it’s all a mirage they massage the cap continuously so what does it matter. I’ve seen Mr Davis be 30$mill over the cap and sign a guy for 30 $mill the next day. It’s all a bunch of crap the NFL teams feed fans so they can do what they want to do anyway. Those contracts are all so fluid no one can really what can or cannot be done.
It’a a suckers game.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:08 am
121.priesttj Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Why do you guys care what a player makes or doesn’t make? How in hell does that fulfill your day??
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It matters because if you pay big time money to non productive players it puts our favorite teams in a freakin hole!
Remember, J Walker, D Hall, Wilson, J Ruseell, and DHB even though those J Russell and DHB were just bad picks for the amount of rookie money that was being paid. Raiders should have taken Megatron Johnson and could have took at least 5 other players that would have produced more than DHB.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:11 am
if payton Manning were available tomorrow teams 50 mill over the cap would be vying for his services. So what does that tell ya’?
The cap don’t mean crap……………..period
July 15th, 2011 at 10:13 am
They can cut the guy anytime they want, and they do whatever they want to the rest of the team. It’s all a matter of priorities. No on e wants to give a bum millions but they do it every year. And they still sign the players they want to sign…………so who the hell cares???????????
July 15th, 2011 at 10:15 am
102.Silverandblack666 Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Dakota I was not expressing an opinion just listing the things we have been debating during the lockout. so please remove me from the haters list.
I asked you to email me some Grand Canyon pictures yesterday…..do you have any?
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Lol I know, I was just messing with ya!
As to the pictures of the GC….we have a million of them, well, quite a few anyhow. I think they are saved on our home computer, so if I can I will send you some tonight….if I remember.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:17 am
DKnight007 hindsight is always 20/20 if we lived by wya of hindsight no one would make mistakes but that aint the reall world. Bad playes get HUGE contracts all the time and teams keep getting the players they want. Look at the Redskins with Haynesworth and they still signed McNabb to a huge one year contract. So it didn’t matter one bit.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
These owners have money to BURN and they do it every year every one of them. They have huge salaries they’re paying out and they still sign players to HUGE contracts. They all do it!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 10:28 am
The reason these owners are buckling down to get this CBA rightg now is so they can further fleece the public with these farcicle games called preseason games. they will make close to a BILLION $$$ off the preseason………LOL
And you’re worried about a guy getting a couple a Mill too much…………….please get a life!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 10:32 am
IT sure was nice getting out of the hellhole after living there from 67 to 04.
I dont like the rat race either. Now I can go weeks without going over 45 miles an hour
July 15th, 2011 at 10:34 am
“And you’re worried about a guy getting a couple a Mill too much…………….please get a life!!!”
Any owner of any business would be concerned about wasted money. Where did you take a Econ class at Devry?
July 15th, 2011 at 10:37 am
And you’re worried about a guy getting a couple a Mill too much…………….please get a life!!!
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Im not worried about a guy getting too much money jackass… we were discussing the salary cap, which happens to be the topic of this page too. It also happens to be one of the remaining portions of the new CBA unresolved as of yet. So I think its a pretty good topic of conversation… Or should we talk politics and how the Raiders planned to ruin Jamarshmallows life from the day he was born…
July 15th, 2011 at 10:41 am
The CBA is a forgone conclusion because there is way too much money to be lost. All you guys ever talk about is why this guys got too much money and that player as if it matters. It never has and it never will because the owners are going to do what they want to do no matter what.
Get it sonny!!!
It’s like talking about the piece of meat the dog ate of the banquet table.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:47 am
50.Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 5:27 am
Teams that are more likely to relocate (don’t think any team will just fold and go away) are the Raiders, Chargers and Vikings.
Teams with awful stadiums, that no new ownership group would want any part of.
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Cross the Vikes off that list and add the Jaguars.
The Vikes already have Goodells help in getting a new stadium built in Minny and it’s probably going to get done.
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The Jags don’t have an awful stadium, it’s fairly new. If you want to say they’ll relocate due to ticket sales or lack of support then that’s a different story. Weaver doesn’t have any intentions to relocate/sell anytime soon.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Someone needs a hug
July 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
If these owners really were as concerned about this stuff as YOU GUYS ARE they would’ve NEVER EVER paid unproven players $50 MILLION DOLLARS. This is the only business on planet earth that they do stuff like that.
What corporation do you know of outside of sports that pays entry level employees more money than an experienced person with seniority and credibility??
They only do that in sports…………..why because they are printing money………..period
July 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Someone needs a hug = BHP is drinking early again
July 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Plunketthead Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 9:14 am
haha We are all snapping at Dells knees.
Start FF before Dell gets ate
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I’m gone for awhile Plunk and the love-hate FFl brass smack has begun.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
The CBA is a forgone conclusion because there is way too much money to be lost. All you guys ever talk about is why this guys got too much money and that player as if it matters. It never has and it never will because the owners are going to do what they want to do no matter what.
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You’re right. Our discussion doesn’t matter. Why have it. Our opinions don’t play any part in anything that happens to our team or the NFL in general. Why discuss football at all. For that matter why discuss ANYTHING that you arent directly involved in…
Got it sonny…
July 15th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Delllllllllllll!
July 15th, 2011 at 10:57 am
666,
Hope all is well.
My gut feeling tells me next week at this time new CBA will be approved or in the voting process.
Happy to see a rookie wage scale. A little late for the raider ORG.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:58 am
B,
Holding up-How about You?
July 15th, 2011 at 11:01 am
What has happened to Raider O. I miss his daily rants on trading everyone on the roster.Plus he was a good man.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Get a deal done so we can get this season up and running ….tailgate is awaiting…..our rightful throne as AFC west champps as well…….plus the long awaited scrapin of our fraud “what floats your pirate boat” closet queen Beecher…..if he shows up whichh i doubt lol
July 15th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Dakota,
Lakers gonna suck with new HC. I’ts over, find a new hobby during the winter.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Dell same ole…..slappin around the three stooges Kell, MR and Beecher on the constant. I’ve caught all 3 in pure lies the last month. Its provided much amusement for this blog
July 15th, 2011 at 11:03 am
B,
Send my regards to BOB.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Raider Dell Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Dakota,
Lakers gonna suck with new HC. I’ts over, find a new hobby during the winter.
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Okay….Raiders will be my new hobby!!
July 15th, 2011 at 11:04 am
B,
You are the sheriff of this blog. I leave full control to you and your slappin hand to keep order.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Yes Dell! Thats my dawg staraight crackin off the Fake Show now with the Black Dilbert running the show. Within a month of playing Kobe will ask for a trade…..preferably a place where ugly middle of the road white women are…..too bad Alameda doesnt have a team or Mrs Kelly would be snatched up from Kell
July 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
I am lining up my draft and I was wondering if QB’s will have the same value as last year or will that be scaled back to normal?
July 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
You guys are the ones drunk………..who cares how much these guys make. No player is worth the money he makes
NONE OF THEM…………….period
July 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Dell….bob is in maui kickin it too tough….cat stays doin it grande live
July 15th, 2011 at 11:09 am
B,
This blog is the black hole during the off season.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Black dilbert? lol it took me a minute but I see the resemblance
July 15th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Dell no dont call me a sheriff! Beecher may get wrong idea and want an exhuasting “interrogation” session. Im not a niner so I cant get down with that. i’ll just say SNIPER
July 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
The game itself is why I come in here. he game itself is why I pay and go. The game itself is why I pay attentiuo but maybe that little tidbit escapes all you capologist.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Wow!
Brian the Genital, the Blog Punching Bag, just showed up for his daily beating. After getting humiliated all week it’s a wonder he can even keep his head screwed on straight.
Oh well, more laughs at his expense!
Genital, when do you expect your gal pal the Horny Lamp Post to show to discuss “hooking up” with you at a tailgate?
Or when will your grandpa KrappyKell start begging you to raise the white flag to me and run away … again?
Pouring a nice refreshing MGD for this smackdown!
DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE WIZ DIZZLE
July 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Plunk,
Did you ever square up with La Missa.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Yeah Dell it is….you know generally during this time Im not on as much but this hell hole needs some juice in its life. Kell MR Beecher and Lame Dame(Dan Land) bring others down
July 15th, 2011 at 11:12 am
bauce keep up the good work you crack me up dude!
July 15th, 2011 at 11:13 am
And right on time…….jizz guzzlin USA aka Beecher shows up to recruit more member for his LGBT branch in LA…..we keepp tellin you WE ARENT INTERESTED!
July 15th, 2011 at 11:13 am
TJ, any more hilarious insights into Terrell Pryor having the championship make up of Rothlisberger and Michael Vick?
Or is he now the perfect combination of Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw and Johnny Utah from Point Break?
Come correct, old timer!
July 15th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Yeehaw!!! Jerryworld just came to life.
Slow down on the booze BHP or you will be passed out by supper, again.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Square up? I didnt realize he owed me anything
July 15th, 2011 at 11:15 am
I crack u up? Nothing can be more hilarious swing and misses performed by our Broadway Musical secret lover of Mark Sanchez named Beecher!
July 15th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Wow
This place is rockin!! Hang in there Raider Men, I’m off to lunch.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Beecher…..MGD for you is Men’s Gigantic…..well you know the rest
July 15th, 2011 at 11:17 am
See ya Dellfonic force
July 15th, 2011 at 11:18 am
GOVT MULE RULES!!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Squuaring up for Beecher is putting on a Steve Young jersey lining up his shoulders with your hips
July 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Plunk you gotta cruise over to the penthouse, the babes and I are watching Point Break, pounding MGD and grubbing some lobster omelets.
These bad boys were left over from the Reggae Party Cruise last night and taste mo better with a little party time hollandaise. Holla!
Later we’re going to hit the Jacuzzi and probably bust a little 69 action to some Huey Lewis and the News.
Just need a little sticky green to elevate the sensuality
July 15th, 2011 at 11:20 am
And 666….how could beecher been up yesterday? Diaper jokes are for Kell……Beecher drops nada. He’s that type of comedian who gets booed off the stage or gets the clown to hook him off stage like the Apollo
July 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Thanks Dell I was wondering when you would see that!
http://www.mule.net
July 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Beecher again with his H0m0 erotic fantansies in hopes of just recruiting one member…..if MR didnt fall for it then u got no hope. I suggest a niner,chief,charger or bronco blog. Im sure you and your boyfriend can reach ur quotas
July 15th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Bauce I know you don’t like him but he is funny especially when it comes to KK diaper jokes.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Beecher u cant talk football and ur stories of partyy cruises are fake and lame…..just go get ready for your 12 noon appt of poppin ur life partner’s back acne
July 15th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Ah, I see Brian the Genital is already in pre-meltdown mode. My arrival alone sends shivers down your spine now, huh little Genital?
It’s cool, I know taking the abuse and humiliation you do on a daily basis in here can’t be easy. Maybe you should listen to grandpa Krappy after all and just surrender quietly to your Master/Leader Beeecham?
Although hanging around to suffer more at my hand is always great for a day of free belly laughs!
SHE HAD 9/10 PANTS AND A VERY BIG BRA
July 15th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Yell clowning Kell is like using the water fountain….quite easy not impressive….the entire style of callin folks names that rip at their handle is something I did first……the bzies to detail? me as well…..guy needs to get his own stuff…..no one ever aced kell like me then all of a sudden he copies it. At least be original
July 15th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Please Beecher….no one on this site to this day has humiliated me. Your futile attempts at it are pitiful at best……season is coming….we made a deal too….watch u back out of it
July 15th, 2011 at 11:33 am
And 666 its sad someone who has party boats and foreign women galore would dedicate so much time to a blog lol…..ur bout as believeable as Rudy Galindo saying he is straight
July 15th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Is the soccer ambassador still in the house?
How did you like my Alex Morgan game-sealing goal call?
Being young and hot, always wins in the end, lol.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Brian the Genital going down in flames!
I love when the poor fool whines about me stealing his lady’s man blog personality.
And if that wasn’t hilarious enough, he’s now crying about me swiping his name calling blog personality!
What’s next Genital, I’m stealing your secret blog log in technique?
Keep the hits coming, little dude! Can’t get enough!
July 15th, 2011 at 11:37 am
But hey u may have some women around Beecher……women enjoy company of gay men….u can help them shoppin with your Armani tank tops lol
July 15th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Hits come in every post you get molly whopped in
July 15th, 2011 at 11:39 am
I’ll be whinin during the season that u didnt show up for your beatdown appt
July 15th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Genital, everyone on the blog knows that all Summer long you’ve had the opportunity to meet up and completely pussed out. That has gone down on your permanent record, little fella!
Just another failure in a long list of humiliations you’ve suffered from at my hand.
Don’t worry, I’ll keep reminding you of it from time to time just to get under your skin.
Hey can any of your blog dorks recommend a good brand of water polo goggles? Gonna need them when I start doing body shots off my ladies this afternoon.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Yeah yeah and on Monday Beecher will be in here braggin about his weekend of listening to the Bee Gees with his love mate with nights of candle lit dinners and watching DVRd episodes of American Idol
July 15th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Hahahahaha thats a lie and not one will say as such….all the regulars have seen me since 08 call you out. U talk all summer but how come for 3 years u wouldnt come to coliseum?
July 15th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Whats it say about you beech that youre supposedly some master cocksman yet you spend hours trolling on a blog? Anyone who talks about woman as much as you do aint touchin anything warm and wet… lubing your fleshlight after you pull it out of the microwave doesnt count.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Coliseum Beecher…..what are u so afraid of? Its a Raider blog and Coliseum is venue Raiders play at…..what is your fear?
July 15th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Wow Genital, I’ve got you running around in circles chasing your own tail. Usually I enjoy these daily smackdowns but today I’m feeling a little sorry for you.
Anyway, even though we all know you still won’t show up, I’m offering all you can drink Mai Tais from the PARTYBRO 8500 after your beatdown. You can at least get a buzz on while you lick your wounds.
Whaddya say, little Genital. Don’t worry, we all know what the answer is!
RUFF RIDERS TAKIN BACK THE WEST
July 15th, 2011 at 11:53 am
She is hot but the Q Tip seals the deal with hustle and a left foot that feeds the ball to Amazon Abbys iron head.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Beecher u been afraid to show yourself……I havent…..I dont live in LA you dummy……Raiders dont play in LA……I can see if they did then your fraud challenge would be taken seriouslyy….they play in OAKLAND!
July 15th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Mai Tais? Lol do you guys see the drinks he loves to have? IM A MAN and I dont drink that bullschit. Clear Remy…..Henny…..hell even Jack D……u name pxssy drinks that havent got us buzzed since Freshman year in college
July 15th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Drink the liquor straight up with no chase like a grown man. It may put some hair on your chest…..but of course your life Partner Ralph may not be attracted to you anymore
July 15th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Al Davis cant afford to sign Nnamdi?!?!? Laughable!!!!
Of course he said he isnt sure about paying 17 mil for one player, that is a negotiation play people. Would you expect him to tip his hand to every other team that wants Nnmadi by giving up how much he is willing to spend? Is he supposed to set a ceiling even before he engages Nnamdi’s agent? Of course not.
Shake yourselves folks, we are talking about Al Davis, he will always spend the cash to get who he wants. If area 21 leaves it wont have anything to do with money.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Well, it’s time to put the pink champagne on ice.
With all economic issues now resolved and questions far less thorny or crucial remaining, it remains a matter of time before a labor deal is done.
That time could come today!!!!!!
Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2011, 2:03 PM EDT
July 15th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Bcz…..beecher is a 45 year old stubby pole lovin geek. No real playa is gonna be on the blog waiting for specific ppl to comment
July 15th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Ray……pink is the type of shirts Beecher love to rock!
July 15th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Bcz…..beecher is a 45 year old stubby pole lovin geek. No real playa is gonna be on the blog waiting for specific ppl to comment
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You’re a real playa, Brien Bootlicker?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Ray…..man i know u shootin up from the 702 again
July 15th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Billy beane released bobby cramer?!?!? Because he used gae slurs?!?!?!
Why would Beane dip take that sop personally, oh wait never mind.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Kell…..im dat negga…..playa naw?Pimp? Naw they gotta actually full on take care of da hoes……Im dat negga tho. IM sure your long time away from black folks you would know what that means
July 15th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
My opinion on the Asomugha matter:
To say Al has done nothing for him is foolish. Not only did Al make him a 1st round draft pick at CB when most had him as a 3rd round pick or lower because he wasn’t that great of a safety at Cal, but he is at least partly responsible for the player he has become. He drafted him to a team that had Rod and Charles woodson, two players that layed the foundation from which Nanmdi as we know him grew. Al also stuck by him as Aso stunk it up and people were of the opinion that he should not be playing in the NFL. He made him the highest paid CB in NFL history and gave him the type of contract that infuriated GMs around the league. Maybe Asomugha still becomes the best player at his position in the league on another team, but to say that the risk he took, the mentors he provided and the patience he displayed with asomugha wasn’t important to him flourishing is foolish
July 15th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Representing 510, 213, and the 702…..what up!
July 15th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
149.Raider Dell Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Dakota,
Lakers gonna suck with new HC. I’ts over, find a new hobby during the winter.
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I see you share the same view of Mike Brown that I do…..thanks for reminding me….I WAS having a good day.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Kell u rarely see me post late nite or on the weekends……think about why…….its LAMBO season. Blog is a source of fun but Im not like you who has made a mission again Al Davis and anyone who doesnt bash him on the blog
July 15th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Thats right Ray!
July 15th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
I’ve got pros (I’ve got pros…)
In different area codes…area codes
Pros (pros..pros) in different area codes (area) area codes (codes)
July 15th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Kell u say Im a bootlicker but u suck Ofraudabama’s dick decisions all day long cuz he is a half breed no identity having clown like yourself
July 15th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
U rarely see me post late nite or on the weekends
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Word. Im in and out of here M-F 8am-5pm eastern and thats it.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Bcz…..guess what? You my friend have a life
July 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Get rid of D.H. Bust.
Until he goes, our QBs will be working with one hand tied behind their backs.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Lol Ray…… Hoeeeeeeeeessssssss
July 15th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Kirk im close to thinkin that too
July 15th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Kell uhate yourself and your life…..u can talk about foreign lands you visited but what is that evidence of? Its not difficult to see that you lack friends and your peers at work hate your fkin guts
July 15th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
You bring down the blog to top soil levels. Your presence brings negative energy and im sure 90 pct of this blog prefers you to not even post.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
U accused Theculation07 of being a bootlicker and when he asked for proof…….poof you bounced. Your a damn coward
July 15th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Next season Walter McFadden balls and DHB becomes an NFL caliber WR and my boldest prediction yet…….Chaz Schilens plays in at least 10 games
July 15th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Kell uhate yourself and your life…..u can talk about foreign lands you visited but what is that evidence of? Its not difficult to see that you lack friends and your peers at work hate your fkin guts
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Gee, I wonder why they asked me to Chair the Govt Relations Committee?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Ive been an arsehole to ppl and admit when Im wrong….bcz24 can attest to that…..see Im a man. I own up for what I do or say. I answer any and every question……but Kell not you
July 15th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
You bring down the blog to top soil levels. Your presence brings negative energy and im sure 90 pct of this blog prefers you to not even post.
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I doubt it’s that high, but sure a Bootlicker is going to be more popular than me, “fa sho”.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
“‘Gee, I wonder why they asked me to Chair the Govt Relations Committee”
More like the Govt Cheese committee!
July 15th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Yeah sure Jimmy…..yeah those who hate you want you on some board….naw they just dont like u being around them so much. Anything to get u away from them on the daily
July 15th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
I am one of the 90%
July 15th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Settle down you queefs! NFL season is almost here, time to celebrate!
July 15th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Kell instead of Govt Relations Committee….u need you commit to having better “relations” with Mrs Kelly
July 15th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Troll666
You’re just mad because you can’t post under other people’s names anymore.
You’re welcome
July 15th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Dakota….your mullet must have been cut shorter eh Joe Dirt?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Kell instead of Govt Relations Committee….u need you commit to having better “relations” with Mrs Kelly
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Why do you always bring my wife into the discussion?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
You doubt its that high? 90 pct was being nice……it prolly is about 99 pct
July 15th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
234.Bauce Rules Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Dakota….your mullet must have been cut shorter eh Joe Dirt?
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No, I just have it tucked into my collar.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Lol now u crying about your hefty hefty hef sack ogre of a wife? Puhleeeeeze you bz! U have insulted my mother and father repeatedly on here and now u wanna ask that? Stop it you half breed negga
July 15th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Dakota lmao….great comeback…..touche
July 15th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Sounds like you’re angry, Brien Bootlicker?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
You wanna ask questions now?……..why no response on those links I put up a few weeks ago?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Dakota’s mullet should have it’s own twitter account, like LeBron’s elbow!
July 15th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Angry? Old man maybe you are stuck on your old 1990 apple computer still but “LOL” means you are alughing out loud
July 15th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Kell i never attack anyone’s mom on here…know why? They may be sick or dead. Ur 60 years old with real estate connnections and credentials but yet u stoop to that level? Pitiful
July 15th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Al Davis developed Nnamdi Asomugha, right Kell?
hands down the best cover corner in the league and the #1 target for most teams in free agency … Thanks Al!
July 15th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
North Dakota may not be a state:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/fine-print-north-dakota-may-not-state-195631502.html
July 15th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Talking bout my pops is nada. Dad is 6′6 over three bills. You wouldnt dare say anything schit filled comments to his face and I know it for sure
July 15th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Nnamdi is our FS. Did anyone see the nfln poll? 40% stays in Oakland. Anyone think Farve would sign on for a Blanda role?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
RR
Touche!
Nice one.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Kell i never attack anyone’s mom on here…know why? They may be sick or dead. Ur 60 years old with real estate connnections and credentials but yet u stoop to that level? Pitiful
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Always after you attack my wife, Bootlicker. I told you I know how to use your vernacular.
July 15th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
But dont worry Kell….keep up the mom commentary……you and I for sure will have our confrontation. I know what out of touch old neggas like u do in the burbs when confronted. I wish u would get season tix like u said 3 months ago….sec 215 right? Please get those tix
July 15th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
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Bootlicker, was that your big daddy? Is that where you got your bootlicking tendencies from?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I never attacked white wifey until u mentioned my mother….i always said u cant please white wifey and she goes out and finds pole to Lambo her guts. How is that an attack? She has needs to and u cant provide it old man
July 15th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Bauce Rules Says:
July 6th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Kell…..the man needed his shoes wiped….no problem with that….guy prolly was a bz and b_tch that he didnt respect. Al is the man
July 15th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Pops has never worked for Raiders and wasnt living in SoCal in the late 80s……try again
July 15th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Hahahahaha kell and his copied files? Lol at work or at home Kell has my comments saved hahahahaha….whose obsessed with who?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Yep i agree with Al….as a matter of fact I need my kicks shiny…..kell come put in work like u did in the 60s…..here goes a towel old man….get the shinin
July 15th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Kell…..i need my shoes shined nice when I take out white wifey 2nite to Luka’s
July 15th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Kell….so why wont u answer about those links?
July 15th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
What about Favre being Raiders QB Coach???
Anyone??
July 15th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Kell now shine em up quick before I be like Epic Beard Man and whip your ass
July 15th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Ray is Favre gets back to being a drunk hilbilly from the 90s then yes
July 15th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Anyhow it was fun…..see yall later
July 15th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
260.From the Bay 2 L.A. 2 Las Vegas Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
What about Favre being Raiders QB Coach???
Anyone??
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Besides teaching our QBs bad habits, what else might he contribute? Maybe some text message pics to Amy Trask?
July 15th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Bye
July 15th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Oh yeah before I go….Kell says Im a troll and that people should ignore them…..lol hypocrite to the max since he talked to me today………BANNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG…..Bauce outro
July 15th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
I’ve seen it said that teams have 72 hours to sign their own free agents, once the CBA is in place.
What does this mean exactly ?
Is there a 72 hour period during which free agents can NOT sign with another team ?
I’m pretty sure a player will be able to sign with any team (including the one he was last under contract with) after the 72 hour period – so what’s the purpose of having the 3 day period to begin with ? How many players are going to immediately re-sign with their current team without seeing what kind of market for their services exists ?
July 15th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
I’m pretty sure a player will be able to sign with any team (including the one he was last under contract with) after the 72 hour period – so what’s the purpose of having the 3 day period to begin with ? How many players are going to immediately re-sign with their current team without seeing what kind of market for their services exists ?
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Yes teams will have an undetermined amount of time to negotiate with their own FA’s before free agency opens. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of these guys arent motivated by money and will happily stay with their current team for a fair deal.
July 15th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Contrary to popular belief, a lot of these guys arent motivated by money and will happily stay with their current team for a fair deal.
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Not sure I buy into the ‘a lot of these guys aren’t motivated by money’ aspect, although I’m sure many would prefer to stay with their current employer if the price is right.
Would it be tampering if another team made an offer to a player during the 72 hour period ? Otherwise, how would a player know what kind of market exists or if he’s being offered a ‘fair’ deal or not ?
July 15th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Yes teams will have an undetermined amount of time to negotiate with their own FA’s before free agency opens. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of these guys arent motivated by money and will happily stay with their current team for a fair deal.
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second to that, testing the waters in free agency isn’t always a good thing. Sometimes your own team is willing to pay WAY more than fair market value for a player they appreciate.
Would any NFL team pay Nnamdi $15+ million per? nope
Would any NFL team pay Routt $10 million per? nope
Would any NFL team pay Seymour $15 million per? nope
Would any NFL team pay JCamp $4.5 million and make him the unquestionned starter? nope
On the other hand, somebody like Robert Gallery, who was only offered $2.5 million per, will likely acquire much more than that with another club (he wanted $8 mil annually, but will likely get 4-6)
July 15th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
JaRaiderman99,
you can determine a player’s worth by comparing their production & value to other players around the league
of course environment, experience, injury history & salary demands (courtesy of the player’s agent) play a part in this
For example, Nnamdi is worth Top 3 CB money. What are the highest paid CB’s making and how does he rank among them? Say the Top 3 make $11 mil, $7 mil & $15 mil annually … Nnamdi’s agent would probably demand $16 mil and make a case that he’s better than all of those guys. Negotiations start from there imo. Perhaps Nnamdi’s willing to take a howntown discount and settle for $14 ? Or perhaps he’s sick of playing for a team that’s never been to the playoffs since he was drafted in 2003 and says I’ll only sign for $17+ or I walk
July 15th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Not a good day on the course. Only 3 greens hit in regulation, and only 2 up and downs. Shoulda stayed my arsse in bed today!
Wassup Dell!
July 15th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Of course the teams are tampering. How the he’ll else can so many players sign contracts within hours of FA opening?
July 15th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Just saw ESPN post a list of the top 5 teams that would be most adversely impacted by a 120M cap.
Interestingly, Raids didn’t make the list.
Don’t remember the order, but the teams mentioned were the Steelers, Cowboys, Jets, Giants and Packers.
Of course, ESPN is probably just putting out speculative ‘cap crisis nonsense’ as Jerry terms it, but I’m surprised they didn’t include the Raiders on their list. How did they miss a chance for another dig against the S&B ?
July 15th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Al is going to match the 10 million dollar contract offer Nnamdi is going to get.
Why would Nnamdi go to the Vikings of all teams? They don’t even have a QB.
July 15th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Anyone think Farve would sign on for a Blanda role?
What about Favre being Raiders QB Coach???
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41 year old Brett Favre is better than anything else we got on the roster. If we can sign him for 2-years $12 million, do it.
He’d probably want 1-year $15 million with no training camp or preseason though …
July 15th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Why would Nnamdi go to the Vikings of all teams? They don’t even have a QB.
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Jhill,
it’s WAY to early to say that Campbell & Boller are better than Joe Webb & Christian Ponder!
July 15th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
No it’s not.
July 15th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
The next player who is not motivated by the money will be the first.
July 15th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Darrelle Revis
9/6/2010: Signed a four-year, $46 million contract. The deal contains $32.5 million guaranteed, including all of Revis’ first two base salaries and an $18 million first-year option bonus.
- Rotoworld
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Nnamdi’s agent would lobby for 5-years $58 million with $34 million guaranteed
Is he worth it?
July 15th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Al is going to match the 10 million dollar contract offer Nnamdi is going to get.
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Would be hilarious if Nnamdi can’t even get that and Routt is the highest paid DB on the team.
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Why would Nnamdi go to the Vikings of all teams? They don’t even have a QB.
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Grads told him that he’s healthy and signing with Minn ?
July 15th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Jhill,
Webb has only started 2 games and he went 1-1, beating Philly at their house. He’s being mentored by Brett Favre this offseason. Ponder is a rookie 1st rounder
Campbell & Boller are a pair of 1st round busts clinging to a roster spot because Al Davis is like a salvage mechanic. He loves fixer uppers
July 15th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Some players put winning above money.
July 15th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Al would not care, if Favre is in training camp as long as he throwing TDs and the Raiders win!
Brett would be a great pick up should one of our QBs go down.
I do like the idea of dating Pryor with a 5th in the supplemental;
Raiders need to resign Satele and Barnes; (let Henderson and Walker sign with another AFC west team so Seymour, Houston, & Shaugnessy can rack up the sacks baby).
July 15th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Put it like this: Some players prefer winning, over a few extra dollars.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Put it like this: Some players prefer winning, over a few extra dollars
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well said.
Raiders offer 4-years $40 million
Patriots offer 4-years $38 million
He’s picking N.E. every time
Al Davis ups his offer to 4-years $50 million changes things
July 15th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Retribution,
all great ideas. Is it ideal to wait until JCamp gets hurt to go after a then-42 year old though?
Most likely scenario will be they plug in Boller, sign Gradkowski off the street and hope that Campbell’s injury isn’t serious
I like the idea of paying Favre whatever he wants, let Campbell back him up and drafting Pryor in the 3rd as a guy to develop for 2012 or 2013
July 15th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
I can’t help thinking Houston’s eventual future position is at DT not DE.
Houston might not have the ideal DT size, but he also doesn’t appear to be the prototypical speed or edge pass rushing DE.
Not saying that Houston isn’t a good pass rusher. I think he is, and I’m glad that part of his game was underrated and he fell to the Raids in the 2nd rd.
But to me, Houston’s strength is his tremendous lateral pursuit along the line. That really stood out in the championship game against Bama. He was far more impressive in that game than McClain was. (Yes, I know they play different positions.)
Lots of talk about Shaughnessy developing into a great player, but I think Houston is going to be a dominant 4 down DL (whether at DT or DE) for years to come, and is the Raid’s best DL.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
It seems strange to me, that after the running game we had last year, and finally reaching 8 wins (lol), that we should re-build the O-line.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
99,
ShoNasty & Houston have the ends locked down. Nobody is gonna question that, except Jhill (who thinks Wimbley should be an every down DE & Shaughnessy should be traded for a 2nd rounder, lol)
July 15th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
289.KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
It seems strange to me, that after the running game we had last year, and finally reaching 8 wins (lol), that we should re-build the O-line.
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“Strange” doesn’t BEGIN to describe it.
Last year: 2nd best running offense.
This year-as far as we know-four rookies and a second year man.
Best of all: A FUK’N rookie center! Yeah, that’ll work!
July 15th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
It seems strange to me, that after the running game we had last year, and finally reaching 8 wins (lol), that we should re-build the O-line.
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Sacks Allowed:
2006 = 72
2007 = 41
2008 = 38
2009 = 49 (3rd most)
2010 = 44 (6th most)
July 15th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
There was no choice but to rebuild the OL. Gallery was an overrated, injury prone stiff. Satele also shows durability issues, tendency to be overpowered, and has been criticized for his line calls. ‘Savage’ Carlisle is long in the tooth. Langston at RT, clearly on his last legs.
These guys did a decent job run blocking, but the revitalized running game was more a function of DMAC finally being healthy and showing his fantastic ability, than attributable to the OL.
Add in the fact that the OL was less than adept at protecting the QB and it’s clear the Raids had to move to rebuild this line now.
Even with the drafting of Wiz and Barksdale, there’s still work to be done in this area. Let’s hope Bruce Campbell can step up.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Just heard Clayton on ESPN radio say, without a doubt that Nnamdi is the #1 FA. Believes he will get 16-20 a year, and that the Bucs would be a team to look for.
With the salary floor that would be in place with the new deal, the Bucs would HAVE TO spend close to $60 million next year from where they’re at today.
We never have to worry about that with Al.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
It would have been nice to keep the O-line and let the rookies compete for starting jobs.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
an O-Line needs continuity. They need time to gel
Veldheer-Loper-Wiz-Campbell-Barksdale might be the best OL in the NFL in 2012 or 2013
but this season will be ugly. I’m thinking we will not be a Top 5 rushing team and we’ll still give up 45-50 sacks
July 15th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
If Bruce Campbell and Joseph Barksdale are our right-side of the O-line, that will be a hot mess for a second.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Maybe we could slide Zack Miller in over to help out on the right (LMAO)
July 15th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Just heard Clayton on ESPN radio say, without a doubt that Nnamdi is the #1 FA. Believes he will get 16-20 a year, and that the Bucs would be a team to look for.
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you mean Ronde Barber wont play into his 40’s ???
July 15th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Ronde Barber (Bucs) = Darrell Green (Redskins)
He’ll retire at 42!
and they have Aqib Talib on the other side …
Asomugha is going to play for Snyder, Allen & Shanny
July 15th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
There was no choice but to rebuild the OL. Gallery was an overrated, injury prone stiff. Satele also shows durability issues, tendency to be overpowered, and has been criticized for his line calls. ‘Savage’ Carlisle is long in the tooth. Langston at RT, clearly on his last legs.
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So like, if they never make mistakes, they should all go?
Gallery was the most consistent lineman and he consistently helped Veldheer who is now-apparently-the veteran on the practically rookie OL.
We all know what Satele’s weaknesses are but he played well towards the end of the year.
The Raiders didn’t run so well just because of McFadden and Bush-although they were great-you need an OL that is working.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Just heard Clayton on ESPN radio say, without a doubt that Nnamdi is the #1 FA. Believes he will get 16-20 a year, and that the Bucs would be a team to look for.
With the salary floor that would be in place with the new deal, the Bucs would HAVE TO spend close to $60 million next year from where they’re at today.
We never have to worry about that with Al.
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Saw that too JFB, and the numbers don’t add up.
Clayton said TB’s payroll was 63 million and they’s have to spend close to 60, (57) to get to the salary floor.
Not only is this the first time I heard a ’salary floor’ mentioned, but Clayton’s math means the salary floor is the same as the salary ceiling of 120 million.
Something ain’t right.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
*I mean if they’re not perfect they should go.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
295.KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
It would have been nice to keep the O-line and let the rookies compete for starting jobs.
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That would seem to be the normal way of doing things.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
It would have been nice to keep the O-line and let the rookies compete for starting jobs
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It can still be done. I don’t think any team are gonna go hard after guys like Walker, Henderson or Barnes.
We tried to keep Gallery (for a measly $2.5 million per season). Carlisle is still under contract (but Al Davis wants to see Bruce Campbell start) and we offer Samson Satele a tender offer (but nobody knows if he signed it. it may no longer be valid. AND that was before we drafted Wiz with our first selection and immediately said he was penciled in at C)
July 15th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Something ain’t right.
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60 million, or anything close to that, would seem like an extreme amount of money to have to be spent.
You heard the same thing I did though. Whatever it is, Tampa is OBVIOUSLY going to be a player in this here FA period.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Gallery turned into a pretty good guard, probably the Raiders best O-lineman, and helped Veldheer get settled. And, I wouldn’t call him injury prone either.
But, he wants out. One O-line coach too many, I guess.
July 15th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
This ones for Dakota… Mcfadden DESTROYS Hloti Ngata
http://youtu.be/saIzhSdVtS4
July 15th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Tampa is OBVIOUSLY going to be a player in this here FA period.
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already a playoff team, this could be dangerous!
July 15th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
The salary floor in the new deal is projected to be around 113 million… So TB has to spend around $50mill in free agency to get there!
A 10-6 team HAS to pick up $50 million worth of free agents!
July 15th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
So like, if they never make mistakes, they should all go?
Gallery was the most consistent lineman and he consistently helped Veldheer who is now-apparently-the veteran on the practically rookie OL.
We all know what Satele’s weaknesses are but he played well towards the end of the year.
The Raiders didn’t run so well just because of McFadden and Bush-although they were great-you need an OL that is working.
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So your complaint is the Raids didn’t re-sign Gallery and moved to replace Satele ?
That’s it ?
Obviously, we disagree on Gallery. I maintain that in addition to being injury prone, he was an overrated stiff when he actually played. Would be surprised if Gallery gets more than 3 million from any team and is still in the NFL 3 years from now.
You say we know what Satele’s weaknesses are. That’s what good teams do, attempt to replace players with weaknesses.
Carlisle can’t play forever and Walker has been reported as ready to retire.
So what were the Raids supposed to do ? Stand pat with Gallery and Satele ? That was going to make things better ? No guarantee that Loper, Wiz, Barksdale and whoever they sign will be a marked improvement, and there’s sure to be growing pains, but standing pat was certainly not the way to go.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
KK:
It’s still possible that Galley and Satele comes back I suppose.
You really don’t know until the dust settles after the contract talks, but the whole idea of having a rookie OL and a rookie center borders on the unbelievable.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Gallery is going to Seattle.
We will pick up 2-3 olineman
July 15th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
You say we know what Satele’s weaknesses are. That’s what good teams do, attempt to replace players with weaknesses.
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So, you replace them with a rookie?
How does that work?
The OL is all about talent certainly but you don’t discard an average OL to get five rookies out there.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Assuming we have some cap space, my FA top 10 targets would be:
1) Derrick Dockery, G, Redskins. Power blocker who doesn’t fit Shanarat’s zone nonsence but could do a solid job for us.
2) David Baas, G/C, 49ers. Capable in two positions, probably under-rated and would add real depth to our OL.
3) Kevin Boothe, G, Giants. Remember when he was our best lineman – as a rookie. Didn’t really prosper in NY but is still only 28, would cost nothing and is worth a shot.
4) Chris Carr, CB, Ravens. Another ex-Raider, Carr did a really solid job for the Ravens and is still improving.
5) Ike Taylor, CB, Steelers. Tough veteran who would hold down one side until one of our youngsters was ready to step up.
6) Dashon Goldson, FS, 49ers. Probably the only half-decent, reasonably priced FS available. If he is healthy and not too expensive, he would add good depth.
7) Brandon Johnson, OLB, Bengals. I would rather we kept Thomas Howard but Johnson is a smart guy, good attitude and would give good depth.
9) Sean Locklear, OT, Seahawks.Under-rated veteran who gets criticised for his run-blocking but is very solid at protecting his QB. Given the inexperience along our OL, Locklear would be a smart addition.
10) Trent Edwards, QB, Jaguars. Sorry, Jerry – can’t see us using a 3rd rounder on Pryer. So we need a third QB and Edwards is still only 27. He has struggled for the last two seasons but he has the mechanics and a return to California might reignite the talent.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
I think that we should bring Satele back to start at center and let wizard II get his feet wet at LG. He only had one full collegiate year at C and that was his junior year, his senior year he was moved back to guard
July 15th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
I would definately welcome Trent Edwards to Oakland.
Boller and Frye as your backups is beyond pathetic.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
10) Trent Edwards, QB, Jaguars. Sorry, Jerry – can’t see us using a 3rd rounder on Pryer. So we need a third QB and Edwards is still only 27. He has struggled for the last two seasons but he has the mechanics and a return to California might reignite the talent.
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Not a bad notion Scottish. Haven’t seen you posting lately.
Using a 3rd on Prior is nothing short of a big a gamble–although Al is a gambling man.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
IF, I were sure Huejax was going to be here another 3-4 years, I’d be willing to take Pryor. But, without strong leadership in the organization, I’d have to pass.
I think he could be really good, in the right organization.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
England, the wife gave me an ultimatum – chose between her and Jerry McDonald. Tough choice but a warm woman beat out the grizzly old Raider Guru. She’s away…
I just think it would be a mistake to give up our 3rd rounder, when we have already traded away our 2nd and 4th. Pryor has some talent but not enough – and the next draft is crammed with QB talent (Luck, Barclay, Wilson, etc.).
Edwards had no real chance in Buffalo – no protection, no running game and no go-to receiver. He carried the can for others failings. I think he still has potential and is worth a shot.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
So, you replace them with a rookie?
How does that work?
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Yes, you look to replace them with rookies. Or you sign a FA from another team to step in until the rookie is ready. I’ve got no problem with retaining Satele in case Wiz isn’t ready.
How does it work out ? That’s uncertain, but the Steelers did alright with their rookie center.
The important thing is you look to make replacements, fill holes and improve. For years guys have been crying for the Raids to address the OL, and when they actually attempt to do so, they’re still criticized.
I’m a firm believer in the ‘if it’s not broke, don’t fix it adage’. But don’t kid yourself into believing that based on last years rushing results that the Raid OL wasn’t broken or at least in need of some serious overhauling.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I second that JFB. Kyle Prejeans does not inspire much confidence.
Did you see what I said about Q tip and amazon Abby
July 15th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
I would like us to pick up Takeo Spikes. He could be had cheap (2-4 mill) and really bring some talent and leadership to the lb core. Think he could really help Rolando grow. Look what he did for Willis
July 15th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Did you see what I said about Q tip and amazon Abby
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I did….and that blond Q-tip, Rapinoe, is from Redding.
Nor-Cal baby!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
We have a 3rd round comp pick coming from Asomugha’s likely departure, plus at least 2 more later round picks from huff and gallery. A third round pick for a potential stud is we’ll worth the gamble especially considering that he has position versatility. He comes from a pro style offense and had he been able to go through the draft process would have likely been drafted ahead of Kaepernick (of whom I’m a big fan). He has a better pedigree and as I already stated is more NFL ready because of the offense he ran. Gave up playing basketball, a sport for which he received a D1 scholarship, to be the best QB he could be.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I would definately welcome Trent Edwards to Oakland.
Boller and Frye as your backups is beyond pathetic.
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Even money that before the season is over, Raider fans will be clamoring for Boller or Frye to step in for JaJason – or there will be no choice due to JaJason getting concussed.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Webb has only started 2 games and he went 1-1, beating Philly at their house.
Campbell & Boller are a pair of 1st round busts clinging to a roster spot because Al Davis is like a salvage mechanic. He loves fixer uppers
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I campbell is not a bust, boller is. I would take webb as our young arm to develope.
July 15th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
The return of Scottish, a true semi-pro blogger.
Dude if you’re ever in Marina Del Rey stop by the Ritz, my Reggae Party Cruises can’t be missed. I’ll hook you up with some tasty margs, sweet island jams and plenty of sweaty dancing honies to, um, gaze at.
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For realz.
DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, FREEBASIN FREESTYLE FLOWS
July 15th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
I don’t even have confidence in Charlie Frye making it through pre-game warmups without getting knicked up.
Didn’t he get put on IR last year, before training camp even started???
We need some talent in the QB rotation!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Scots whae hae!
July 15th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
A guy gets drafted in the first round, never goes over .500 for the team that drafts him, gets benched yearly, than the team trades him after 4 years for a 4th round pick and he isn’t a bust???
CRAZY TALK!!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
A guy gets drafted in the first round, never goes over .500 for the team that drafts him, gets benched yearly, than the team trades him after 4 years for a 4th round pick and he isn’t a bust???
CRAZY TALK!!!!
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Regime change often leads to player trades
July 15th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
I mean Fabian Washington was picked two spots ahead of Campbell, and had about the same fate.
Some spotty play for a few years, than shipped off for next to nothing.
Washington = Bust
July 15th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Scottish
you are crazy he had Fred Jackson in the backfield, who while not great, is on heck of a football player. He had Stevie Johnson and a former all star Lee Evans at WR
July 15th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
How many other players did Shanahan trade last year?
And before Shanny got there, they were trying to trade him the year before in the Jay Cutler sweepstakes.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
I mean Fabian Washington was picked two spots ahead of Campbell, and had about the same fate.
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Laughable, is he even still in the nfl? Jc has gone on to firmly establish him self as the unquestioned starter. Not nearly the same thing. Oh and also Jc was not benched yearly, but dont let the facts get in the way
July 15th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Campbell was benched for at least a half in 2007, 2009 and 2010.
FACT
July 15th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
And before Shanny got there, they were trying to trade him the year before in the Jay Cutler sweepstakes.
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Yawn, havent i seen this movie before? Joe gibbs drafted him then he quit, this left jc twisting in the wind. The next coaches had their own ideas about who they wanted. It is that simple. Most coaches want to select their own guys. So what
July 15th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Fabian Washington has been a frequent starter with the Ravens since the day he left here.
Not a bad defense to find a starting job at.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Most coaches do want to select their own guys, especially when there existing options ARE FIRST ROUND BUSTS LIKE JASON CAMPBELL!!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Trent Edwards is a career 75.4
Jason Campbell is a career 82.5
July 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Campbell was benched for at least a half in 2007, 2009 and 2010.
FACT
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False he was injured in 07, besides who gives a damn what that idiot zorn did, he is clueless. Jc starting qb oakland raiders, Zorn????
July 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Jason Campbell 1st round 25 pick
July 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
So, the lockout negotiations are at the “goal line”, with a settlement emanate…
Let’s all hope that they don’t call a play action, back corner lob pass to DHB, cause he will surely drop it…
July 15th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
JFB i dont give a damn about what you think. Ill value Gibbs, Al Suanders, Al Davis opinion of yours.
Thanks though
July 15th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Great call with wondering if Fabian Washington is still in the league though.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Thanks for those amazing stats, Krappy. Looks like that nap really paid off.
As Norco would probably put it, you must be using your Googly machine.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Jfb
Baltimore has been looking to replace Fabian for a while now, with them drafting Jimmy Smith in the first depending on Fabian’s salary he could very well be on his way out of the NFL or at least off that roster
July 15th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Wonders how James Harrison would react to JaJason QB’ng the Squeelers.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
let me throw this out there as well. Stop sitting on the fence. Call your shot.
Some of you (jfb) play the role, as if you are just “not sold “on jc, its bull. the truth is you cant stand JC. you are only trying to leave your self some wiggle room so when JC spanks you next year you can say you werent on the rue the day list.
Sack up
July 15th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Its called sarcasm
July 15th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
She caught my eye when she came off the bench in the first game. She provided a lot of spark then and I wondered why she was not starting. I actually enjoyed watching the Brazil game. The other times the TV was just on.
But they started connecting with passes and their shots on goal were close where as all the womens soccer I watched they took crazy shots and missed by a mile and they could never pass to each other without losing possesion.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
I like Jason Campbell the person.
Hate Jason Campbell the QB. No fire, no experience winning anything, tons of excuses.
Not my type of dude, but I will be rooting for him on Sundays to prove me wrong.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
let me throw this out there as well. Stop sitting on the fence. Call your shot.
Some of you (jfb) play the role, as if you are just “not sold “on jc, its bull. the truth is you cant stand JC. you are only trying to leave your self some wiggle room so when JC spanks you next year you can say you werent on the rue the day list.
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Absolutely Correct.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Hate Jason Campbell the QB.
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Finally, hell that only took you as long as i have been on this board.
I knew it all along
July 15th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
I said it the day we traded for him, that he was no good.
Until he wins at least one meaningful game in December, I still say he is no good.
Average most of the time above average rarely, below average too often.
Your not winning anything with Soup as your QB.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
When Soup got benched in the Pitt game last year, he says he wasn’t benched but just taken out, “because he got hit a little bit” during the game.
Not exactly John Wayne walking into the huddle is he?
July 15th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
I was already on this. I pointed it out during the season, especially after wins. You and others like you will never except him no matter how many games he wins or no matter how well he plays. you denied it.
Press reset jfb, this game is over
July 15th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Raiderman99 post #288 you’re saying what I said onm draft day about LHouston and I lobbied to get him for that reason. His motor is second to none. I was so excited to get that kid it was hard to contain. While I appreciated the McClain pick the Houston pick was a better value and I said as much. I think time will bare out the fact that this kid was as good a talent and McCoy was from Oklahoma.
I’m saying the dsame thing about these two kids Taiwan Jones and Denarius Moore in this draft. Moore was clearly drafted 2-3 rnds too low. And the same might be true for TJ who could be a huge talent before it’s all over.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
I came on here plenty of times and said he played well.
Just didn’t happen frequently enough.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
you denied that you would never except him, regardless of wins or performance.
I saw through your weak front, what a joke
July 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
If Jason Campbell was white, no one would care if anyone hated him or not.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Please, I would be happy to be wrong with Soup QB’ing a playoff game next year.
I just don’t believe it will happen. That’s my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
Mike Shanahan agrees with me. Al Davis agrees with you.
Who has shown a clue over the past 15 years?
July 15th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
JFB you constantly find new ways to embellish everything negative about Camp. He said that they told him that they took him out because they didn’t want to keep getting him hit. He expressed frustration with it as well, but declined to be a distraction. While he kept everything inhouse Grads was running his mouth in the media about what kind of competitor he was and that why they put his a$$ on IR to shut him up.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
No one is going to accuse me of merely ‘not being sold on’ JaJason.
I’d like to be the first name on the JaJason ‘rue the day’ list.
Soon to be renamed the ‘next Plunkett ? what the hell was Al Davis thinking ?’ list.
The best thing that can be said about JaJason is that he might put the Raiders in the Luck sweepstake.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
“Who has shown a clue over the past 15 years?”
Al or ratface
Thats a close call
July 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Plunketthead Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
If Jason Campbell was white, no one would care if anyone hated him or not.
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You’d be the 1st one to call me a racist.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Jason Campbell’s exact words on being benched against Pittsburgh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3eIVNTeIm0
July 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Plunk
If Jason was white these guys would be making excuses for him like they do Boller, Grads(Polish) Trent Edwards and several others. They would love his cool demeanor and calm in the huddle. His checkdowns would be seen as making the right play to avoid the sack and get positive yardage. Because he is black he is not considered cool, they call him slow. Because he is black he is not considered calm or even keeled, instead he lacks passion, fire, and doesn’t command the huddle. Because he is black it is not considered making the smart plat, he is called a coward who can’t or refuses to read defenses to avoid taking a hit
July 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Campbell also wussed out of the Jax game.
Biggest game of his NFL life, seriously it was the latest in the season he was still playing for a playoff game, and he sits out a drive in the 4th quarter, even after the Raiders called a TO during the drive.
True winners in this league at QB, don’t even give their coach the option. He was obviously good enough to go back in on the next series, why couldn’t he man up the series before?
A Wimp, by NFL QB standards.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Like I said JFB he was trying to not be contraversial but they told him they were taking him out because he was getting a too much. That is what I heard the first time and this time……….thanks for the link to prove you wrong.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Here shows, that Jason Campbell’s average completion traveled the least furthest from the LOS than any other QB in the league.
He is also benefitted the most from YAC than any other QB in the NFL.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ys-intangibles012711
July 15th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
I think JaJason is a lousy QB.
And as poorly as he will play this year, and as frustrating and disgusting as it will be to witness – I will still refuse to say his time in Oakland was a total waste.
It was only JaJason’s arrival that made JaMoron’s departure inevitable.
16 games like the one against SF, and Luck is ours !
JaJason might indeed turn out to be the Raider saviour.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Bellicheck : You know Tom, we are down 18 points in the 3rd quarter, but I think you have got hit too much, we are going to take you out of the game.
Brady : Get the fck out of here, what is the next play
That’s how that conve should have went down between Cable/Hue and Soup.
Instead he obliged, said nothing, and reiterated it to the press.
July 15th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
youre supposedly some master cocksman
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LMFAO!
July 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Gotta love Krappy and his cousin TJ having a knucklehead debate over race.
These fools would score lower than a pair of turnips on their SATs.
But still … you gotta love the Kelly Family!
July 15th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
298.Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Maybe we could slide Zack Miller in over to help out on the right (LMAO)
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Damn near spit my drink out on this one.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
JFB go ahead and rant man it’s your opinion. The real deal is Camp is starting and you can’t handle it. But there one big problem with that, you can’t do a damn thing about it…………….period
July 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
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July 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
KK you have proven yourself to be a bigot. I would use the word racist but the word has taken on a life of itself.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Plunketthead Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
KK you have proven yourself to be a bigot
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Oh really, how so?
July 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Locksown almost over. Greedy lawyers finally hit gold after drilling owner rear-end all summer. Deal about to be reached and greedy lawyers feel good about money they shaft out of rear-end of everybody, specially owners.
Cornfucious say good bye to every one and keep up the good work and hope Al Davis find way to keep Nnamdi Asomugha. Cornfucious off to celebrate locksown so close to being over and stick to promise that I wont be back.
This blog very very very funny and Cornfucious happy locksown almost over.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
I think I could understand the JC critics if our passing game actually took off when JC was replaced.
The QB just wasn’t the problem last year.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
There are defining moments in a player’s career.
Sometimes these moments are almost insignificant in the context of determining a win or a loss for that particular game.
But those moments or plays often reveal an insight into a player’s capabilities or into his ‘heart’.
Case in point: JLH against the Ravens in Baltimore. Raids are getting annihilated. Physically dominated on both sides of the ball. Then there’s a punt to JLH. Whether he fields the punt and gains 5 yards or takes it to the house doesn’t really matter, the game is over. There’s no way the Raids can win. But JLH runs over towards the sidelone to field the punt – AND RUNS 5 YARDS BACKWARDS – to avoid being touched and runs meekly out of bounds.
At that moment, I knew JLH was a heartless turd.
Not that he was a coward, you can’t be a coward and return punts in the NFL.
Not that he didn’t have the talent to return punts. He did.
But he didn’t have the heart. Didn’t want it bad enough.
Now for JaJason…
Anyone that witnessed the 4th quarter of the Skin/Eagle MNF game 2 years ago, should have suspected that JaJason doesn’t have the heart or cajones to play with abandon and heart when the game was on the line. Watch him take the sack to end the game rather than throw a pick. Pathetic.
OK, so that’s just a bad game or quarter for JaJason. It’s possible. Maybe Skin fans and Skin coaches are wrong about JaJason.
Now he comes to Oakland. I’m as happy as can be. Not bcz I think JaJason is any good, but because it means JaMoron is out and there’s a chance JaJason might work out.
Then comes JaJason’s DEFINING MOMENT. Didn’t take long either. First game of the year in Tenn. Yup, I’m talking about THE SLIDE.
Just like JLH’s punt return in Baltimore – JaJason’s slide in Tenn told me all I needed to know about his heart and whether he’s a Raider I can believe in.
I’ve seen nothing from JaJason that makes me doubt my conclusions about him.
I’ve only seen additional evidence that supports my conclusions.
JaJason did the right things this offseason. I give him credit for that. But when push comes to shove JaJason will be JaJason, and for this Raider fan that’s not nearly good enough.
Mistic, I hope you’re right about JaJason, but in the meantime please put me at the top of the JaJason rue the day list.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Plunketthead Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
If Jason Campbell was white, no one would care if anyone hated him or not.
July 15th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
jfb your flip flopping makes Tom cable look decisive & trustworthy.
Jfb = just fraud baby or just fake bullish
July 15th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
The day we traded for jc I came in & posted that it was a great move & he would deliver the goods. I was hammered by fellow bloggers. If he flops I’ll take my medicine like a man. Some of you will try to change your tune when he succeeds, but i know who you are.
Like I have said since I joined, impostor fans are rampant on this board.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Yup, I’m talking about THE SLIDE.
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Yeah, that had to be the most pathetic moment I can remember as a Raider fan.
Even had me calling for his immediate benching and for us to insert Gardowski for the rest of the season.
Got past it when he got the team some wins though. And the fact that there is no one better out there that we realistically have a shot at, gotta move on.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
KK
You gonna frame that next to “Al Davis is 57-83 the past ten years”
July 15th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Hehe, maybe.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Nick Miller training with Larry Fitzgerald and Greg Jennings for the last month sounds like a great story but why must every reciever be the size of a Smurf.. DHB needs to be out there working with them
July 15th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
jfb your flip flopping makes Tom cable look decisive & trustworthy.
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Never flip-flopped on this matter.
From the jump, I have said he is no good. Often times, I am the only one in the room saying it.
From the jump, I also said he is a helluva a good dude. I believe he earned the right to start next year, and also didn’t earn an extension either. Put up or shut up time.
I am happy when he wins, and pissed off when he loses, so thus I am pissed when I am right, and happy when I am wrong.
Never changed off of this.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Some of you will try to change your tune when he succeeds, but i know who you are.
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What, people can’t change their opinion of a player after new evidence?
If Soup shows some real leadership, and takes this team to the playoffs, I am will be right behind him supporting and my team.
Whatever someone says on here on a Friday, doesn’t mean we are rooting against whoever on Sunday.
Get a frkn clue, and quit acting like your Raider Nation blood runs thicker than anyone else on here, because it doesn’t.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Firebaby
I dont think they like you and you deserve whatever you get for being smarter them then.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
To me, there is no difference between someone taking shots at Campbell or Gradkowski.
Campbell was brought in to be the starter and the next Jim Plunkett. Gradkowski was brought in to hold a clipboard for Jamarcus. Two completely set of circumstances and expectations.
Yet, Mistic1 loves to call people imposters, yet continually takes shots at Gradkowski and RAIDER FANS who appreciated what he did here.
We paid him beans, got some solid backup QB play from him, he has never said anything bad about Jason Campbell, Al Davis, Hue Jackson or Raider Nation. Does all kinds of charitable stuff in Oakland, and has repeatedly said Raider Nation has the best fans.
Yet we have this imposter fan on here who can’t resist ridiculing a guy who actually won games in the Silver and Black.
The true definition of an imposter fan.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Vegas, quit lying. You just want to bait people, probably me, with that Campbell crap.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
#21 will be a raider this season no dout. The main problem is what Raiders have at qb. Until he proves me wrong as in cambell. Then this D will have to play there a$$e$ off and give us short field all yr. I hope cambell proves me wrong but the way ive seen him play throughout his career im skeptic make are break yr for him and this team.
July 15th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
I like a good debate.
Healthy for the mind and soul.
Doesn’t mean I am rooting against Jason Campbell. Hell I like Soup as a person. I hated Jamarcus Russell, and had no issue rooting for the big fella (and even sported his jersey for a year or so).
But as far as baiting you, I’m over it. Once cornered, you don’t fight back, you just change directions and start spewing nonsense.
At least Mistic1 sends it back my way, with some logic and ON TOPIC.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
JFB You actually sound like you’re talking about yourself in that post. #395 because that’s exactly what you do about Jason Campbell.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
The Raiders would’ve been in the playoffs last year if not for the “little hero”.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Sometimes in here you guys have your favorite player and no matter what the other guy does yolu’ll bash him ignoring any and all contributions for your favorite player. The truth is Camp is a much better QB than Grads and that burns someof your a$$e$ so you jump up and down on Camp because of it. It’s very immature and shortsighted. If you don’t believe in a guy it’s OK to criticise him but what goes on in here is no more than playing favorites.
You’ll say you want JC to prove you wrong and it’s A LIE. No you don’t! you want him to fall on his ass so you can be right. That’s just how petty some o you are. When Grads was playing well everyone cheered the guy when he slid you came in here lambasting JC as a fraud. Saying he can’t do this and that. And as he has proven that he can you drag out stats from DC Auburn and straight out of your A$$ to discredit the guy. Because you nat your favorite “little Hero”.
The problem with that is you’ll probably never get him again………sorry! thanks for listening.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
You’ll say you want JC to prove you wrong and it’s A LIE. No you don’t! you want him to fall on his ass so you can be right.
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Your such a freaking moron!!!
You actually believe that?? You think everyone in here who railed on Jamarcus were loving that 38-0 whupping the Jets put on us in 2009?
Get a clue!!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
I have said for the last 8 months now, that I do not want Bruce Gradkowski back in Oakland.
So what does that have to do with Soup? Nothing.
I think this team is talented enough to win the division, but I’m afraid Jason Campbell doesn’t have the stones to pull us through those couple of tough, dire moments that you need to a QB to do to make the playoffs.
The time will come and we will see who is right. And if I am, you will not see any HAHA I told you so’s from me.
Just more frustration from a pissed-off Raiders fan.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
I have said for the last 8 months now, that I do not want Bruce Gradkowski back in Oakland.
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Only after you were beat down with facts, and your little game wouldn’t work anymore.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:47 pm
JFB YOU ARE A LIAR………………period
You can’t stand Jason Campbell…………period
While Camp may never measure up to Plunkett, the player I compar ehim to more than anyone is Rich Gannon. I felt the same way about Campbell coming here as i did Gannon. When I first saw Gannon I was largely underwhelmed and so were scores of Raider fans who roundly boooed Gannon. He more then Camp was a checkdown machine. Everything he threw was a checkdown and for whole year I hated the guy. But I started to realize we didn’t turn the ball over very much with him in there so I saaid ‘better safe than sorry’. Then he started to lead the team in the lockeroom as I watched him up close. Then he started to win and the team followed him. Then we got Jerry Rice and a few others and I saw for the first time we had a serious contender.
Still Gannon was way too cautious with the football to the point of flat out boredom but we won. So it took me roughly a year and a half to warm to that guy and I started to believe in that guy. next thing I knew we had the best team in football. Only we lost in NE in the snow. Changing things quite a bit yet under his leadership we got even better. next thing I knew we were in the SUPER BOWL………….true story!!
July 15th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
JC was the person that pulled us through that first SD game whichis no small feat considering the streak we had going. That win was important psychologically and was the foundation for us going undefeated in the division
July 15th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
So KoolKell always rails on Al Davis and his record and his incompetence.
Do you Priest, think Kool Kell roots against the Raiders so he can update his stats and be “right” as you call it?
July 15th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
I loved Gannon from day one. Love the passion.
I am a hardcore “rah-rah” type guy. I don’t think a QB will work in OAKLAND, without some crazy leadership abilities.
Would love to see Soup evolve into that, but I don’t see it.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
KK hates Mr D but he wants to win in the worst way. YOU want to be right……………….period
July 15th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Firebaby
Thats what you get for being nice to everyone.
I remember not long ago you tried to befriend KK and you even said you respected him for serving in the Marines.
He gave you crap that night and he has not stopped. The nicer you are to him, the worse he treats you.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Gannon also came to Oakland with a career 31-26 record; a winning record.
If Soup had something like that before he came here, I wouldn’t be so pessimistic of his future.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
LOL…….you make me sound like some type of abused girlfriend!!!!
KoolKell use to be somewhat normal.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
I’ve always thought you disingenuous, Vegas.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
KK hates Mr D but he wants to win in the worst way. YOU want to be right……………….period
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LOL….that stooge hasn’t supported the Raiders in years.
So when I spend a couple grand to travel to a Raider road game this season, with some old high-school buddies and other old Bay Area friends, you think I will be secretly rooting against Jason Campbell and the Raiders?
Too funny!!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
You don’t want to see it because if you did you would because that is all he’s been doing this offseason is leading. He doesn’t have to be a rah rah guy. Neither were Plunkett or Stabler were not rah rah guys. Camp can lead I see that now I wasn’t sure about it a year ago. I didn’t even want him a year ago. My brother-in-law told me about Camp and then my next door neighbor swore by the guy. I started to see his leadership in the SD game we hadn’t beaten SD in 7 years and he brought us from behind to beat them. Then he beat them again and again. He went into KC and Denver and we slaughtered them both. If you can’t see leadership it’s only because YOU DON’T WANT TO……………..period
July 15th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
No, I just know you are not dumb enough to leave a track record of stupidity with your name on it on the world wide web for all future employers to possibly discover the real you.
Could you imagine hiring those of us who act like children in here, retarded children at that.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
I doubt there is ANYONE on this blog, even the weird-o trolls, that cares more about their blog “personality” more than the reason they actually came to this place in the first place, our love for the Silver and Black.
Only a self-righteous blow-hard would think otherwise.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
I don’t personally hate Al Davis, I just think he needs to retire.
I love the Raiders.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Jfb
Not to gang up on you but you are like most of the guys on here who dislike Campbell. If Campbell were to win a game you would find a way to put credit elsewhere.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
No, I just know you are not dumb enough to leave a track record of stupidity with your name on it on the world wide web
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Probably a little late for that for most of us, lol
July 15th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
The guy is 3-0 vs the Chargers as a starter and he can’t see any leadership………….me thinks he’s full of crap…………period
July 15th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
So when I spend a couple grand to travel to a Raider road game this season, with some old high-school buddies and other old Bay Area friends, you think I will be secretly rooting against Jason Campbell and the Raiders?
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Yep, you could go both ways. Lol
July 15th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Severe,
So when we win games, everyone comes in here on Monday and sings in Kumbaya in total agreement on why we won the game?
Of course not!!! Some will pick on O-line play, some will talk about coaching, or ST’s, some will go after the QB, etc, etc, etc.
That’s what we do in here.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
JFB
You want to see Campbell do well, and be called an idiot/racist by everyone on this blog? Really?
July 15th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
He wants the Raiders to win but he wants camp to stink while they do it. He wants to see Camp get benched………….period
July 15th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
lol I hope no one ever discovers my AOL name.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
3-0 against the Chargers???
Did I miss a game last year? (He lost his only start against SD in Washington)
I don’t think winning games in pre-Thanksgiving counts for much in the grand scheme of things when considering the merit of a QB.
It’s what you do week 17, when you need to win to get in. Playoff win, big-games, stuff like that, etc.
You think Al Davis gives a flying hoot about beating SD in a meaningless regular season game? Of course not!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
and be called an idiot/racist by everyone on this blog?
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How is that much different than just about every-day in here???
July 15th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
He wants to see Camp get benched
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If we had better backups, I may be for it.
I don’t need to see Boller, Frye or Gradkowski for that matter, anymore.
So no, as of now I do not want to see him benched. In fact, earlier this week, I said he was the one player we couldn’t afford to lose early in the season to injury.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
The similarity between Camp and Gannon is striking when you consider how they approach the game. They both are no nonesense types who see the game as a team sport instead of a platform to display their gifts. They play within themselves and ask the players around them to do so as well. They want a well oiled machine that operates at peek efficiency most of the time.
They’re not glory hogs and see themselves as important pieces to operation of that machine while Payton sees his players as tools for his master piece performances. Campbell is the ultimate team player at QB. He wants to win the right way not just win. I watched Gannon up close and I see the same qualities in Campbell.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
JFB
Its like that when Campbell wins, we love to spread the love around then but when he loses its clearly QB play. I remember after the first SD game some fool was arguing about a read he made on a throw to Miller, a pass that ended up being a touchdown, this is the type of BS that goes on. Or perfect example is the first KC game when people said Ford bailed him out on the throw he took away from Flowers and refused trouble even admit the overtime throw he made Ford was a beauty, all credit went to Ford. Now after having a terrible game in SF and us driving to possibly win the game on a 4th down play Ford drops a pass right in his hands, of course people blamed Ford right? No it was all on Campbell again, though he had a terrible game we were in position to drive and win and Ford dropped the ball figuratively and literally.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
In the SF game, we were down 8, and needed about 75 yards in about 2 minutes to try to score, and get the two-pointer to tie.
Never did an 8 point lead seem so insurmountable since Jamarcus was running the show here.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Look, if Soup turned into a HOF, 3 time NFL MVP, I could just turn off this blog, and go watch my Raiders and my MVP QB go win games on Sundays, lol.
Raiders runs much deeper than the Semi-pro schtick. I can’t possible believe that anybody would think otherwise of anyone in here.
This AIN’T THAT SERIOUS!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
But what if Ford catches the pass and gets into the open and scores and we get the 2pt. conversion. Who would you give the credit to JFB?
July 15th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Somehow he gets blamed for us losing the jags game when D Mac balled and Campbell had a good game. Oh bit grads got all the credit for the wins in Pitt and cincy even though he had a sub par game against the Bengals
* sorry for the typos I’m on a touch screen phone with auto complete and this website isn’t formatted very well on my Droid
July 15th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
priest, Gannon came to Oakland and threw away all of the video games and various toys at the team headquarters. I’m yet to see Campbell take charge like that.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
But what if Ford catches the pass and gets into the open and scores and we get the 2pt. conversion. Who would you give the credit to JFB?
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Depends on how we converted the 2-pointer, lol.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
All he can do is get the ball to his playmakers and they have to make plays and last year by in large tghey didn’t. When they did we won…………period
July 15th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
No real fan would spend money on the Raiders right now. Real fans are boycotting the team until Al is gone.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Wins and losses, Severe, that’s how QB’s are rated in the NFL.
Soup wimped out of the Jax game, IMO. Did not stand up to the pressure in the second half, checked out for a series, and did squat the whole 4th quarter.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Campbell doesn’t have to do things EXACTLY the way Gannon did them but it has to have the same affect. I see that happening more and more. I was there when Gannon so-called kicked everyone out. I used to go into that pool-room.
Gannon’s players HATED HIM, Camp can do the same thing Gannon did without the polarization. I didn’t say their personalities were the same I said their approach to the game is very similar.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
He drove the Raiders downfield for a TD in the 4th qrtr and almost did it again if DHB catches a perfectly thrown ball. Camp can’t work miracles player have to make plays when they do we win when they don’t we lose…………..period
July 15th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
The Raiders love to blame the players for not getting it done. 3rd down and 7. 3 receiver set. WO runs a 20 yard out. Slot runs a 20 yard in. SE runs a 20 yard out. Running back blocks. YOU ONLY NEED 7 YARDS! Hello! Not the players’ fault. And that’s been the story with the Raiders for 25 years, sans the Gruden years.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Wins and losses, Severe, that’s how QB’s are rated in the NFL.
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That’s right, Campbell was 7-5 last year. It’s been a long time since a Raider QB had those numbers.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
441 I talked to Jon Ritchie about Gannon and he said they were not fans of his demeanor and work ethic but that he was the leader of the team and he had everyone’s respect. He never would say anything bad about him even when I tried to get t out of him.
as for this:”No real fan would spend money on the Raiders right now. Real fans are boycotting the team until Al is gone.”
What the hell are you talking about?
July 15th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Raiders’ players are sabotaged by an awful system.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Raider Guy, only Davis minions and confused, naive fans are spending money on this train wreck right now.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
I spend money on them because it is my family tradition. I am a raider fan no matter what. I am none of the things you suggest.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
It’s well documented the team hated Gannon, but as you said yourself, they respected him. And that’s all he cared about. He wasn’t there to be liked. That’s why he threw away the video games. He didn’t understand where the Raiders found the time for fun and games. They were the league laughing stock. And here they’re the laughing stock again. I don’t see Campbell taking the kind of charge that Gannon did. So the comparisons are a stretch.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
JFB
Your very logic is skewed, then in that case he deserves credit for every win we had save the rams game……. both San Diego games he balled, both Denver games he balled, seattle he balled, KC, especially the last game he balled, he helped put up 30+ points in Jacksonville and we lost and ill give him that but u have to give him complete credit for those W’s and going undefeated in division play
July 15th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Raider Guy, you spend money on them because you’re naive and confused. I don’t know what else to say. Either that or you’re a closet Davis minion.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
they are part of my family. That’s it. Sounds a little dramatic for a football team maybe but that is what they are. If it ain’t that way for you, maybe you should go count on the patriots.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
or maybe you are a packer guy now
July 15th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
family tradition. lol. So basically, if your Dad was a Raider fan, and your grandpa was a Raider fan, you just have to fork your money over to Al Davis? You can’t watch at home? lol. liar.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
lol. part of your family. you’re killing me, dude. Just because your family is Raider fans, you think you have to fork your hard earned money over to Al Davis. Yo’ure too much.
July 15th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
My family’s Raider fans, too. That doesn’t mean I’m giving Al Davis my money just because. I want him to put in his effort. He’s not doing it. He’s playing the confused loyalists like you. He knows you’ll keep paying no matter how bad of a job he does. What a precedent. I’m going to hold Al accountable. I’m going to do my part, little as it may be, teaching Al that he lives in a real world.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
you do your thing and Ill do mine. I wish you the best.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
My fam’s mostly Raider fans, too. And, we don’t go to games, even though most of us live just 90 minutes away. We don’t go because we don’t want to support Al Davis right now. And, we’re no less of fans than you. I don’t care what you think.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Maybe the reason Nnamdi has no loyalty to the Raiders, despite the Raiders making him such a high paid CB, is because he doesn’t like the way Al treats a lot of other people. Could be moral reasons.
July 15th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
That’s right, Campbell was 7-5 last year. It’s been a long time since a Raider QB had those numbers.
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Yeah, it has been that same long time since a coach went 8-8, and see how that turned out.
Al Davis, as am myself, are not happy with 7-5. A step in the right direction? Absolutely, but he has to take that next step from here.
Playoffs or bust this season.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Al Davis has done fine by me, 3 superbowls and #4 on the way!
July 15th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
And if anyone really wants to get the record straight, if Janabustakowski makes a fg in Aizona, Al Davis could very well have had his Raiders in the playoffs.
And stranger things have happened in the playoffs, so ruling out a superbowl is out of the question.
I mean people, how do you go undefeated in your division and miss the playoffs? As far as JC is concerned, it will be a team effort, from the big man in the jump suit all the way down to the waterboy.
There is no ‘I’ in team people.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
The great Al Davis has already made the Raiders worse since last season.
Fired the head coach that took the team from 5-11 to 8-8. Best improvement since 1999 to 2000.
Got rid the team’s best backup QB. For no reason. He wasn’t even expensive!
As far as anyone can tell, has no intentions of retaining Nnamdi Asomghua, part of the foundation of our defense’s surprisingly decent play for much of the last 8 years.
That 4th Lombardi trophy will be on the way when Al is gone.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
We have NOBODY to back up Campbell now. And Campbell needed to be bailed out several times last year.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Well by gum get that trouble maker a pair of hog skin slippers and let the old boy relax a bit and think things over. He’ll come around. Al just liken to stir the pot a bit but he’ll setlle in once season gets to a startin.
July 15th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
The way he settled in in 2008?
July 15th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
RAIDER Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
The great Al Davis has already made the Raiders worse since last season.
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Incorrect. Heres why…
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Fired the head coach that took the team from 5-11 to 8-8. Best improvement since 1999 to 2000.
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FALSE: Cable was never going to be a head coach and his erratic demeanor and off field issues were a distraction. His ZBS chewed up yds between the 20s but couldn’t get the ball in the end zone.
Hue Jack sparked the O for the first time in what? 7 yrs? He used the play makers and speed the way Cable wouldn’t or couldn’t. result? This should have been a play off team last year and would havfe been if not for Cable.
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Got rid the team’s best backup QB. For no reason. He wasn’t even expensive!
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Grads was always injured couldn’t read defenses and had a pop gun. Pass. Literally. He sucked. Hes gone. Get over it.
Free agency Qb back up is a possibility.
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As far as anyone can tell, has no intentions of retaining Nnamdi Asomghua, part of the foundation of our defense’s surprisingly decent play for much of the last 8 years.
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Never know with Al. He supposedly couldn’t keep Lechler and Nnamdi b4 but he did.
Nnamdi may go.
Would I prefer he stay? YES, but, hes not worth $16 mill a year.
Surprsingly decent defense? Worst against the run for a longtime there bubby and drafted in 2003, Aso didn’t come on till 2006.
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That 4th Lombardi trophy will be on the way when Al is gone.
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It won’t be easy. KC has a foundation. The Chargers are #1 on O and D and the Broncos, while rebuilding could surprise, but Oakland could be cloer than many thing and old man Al may have the last laugh yet.
July 16th, 2011 at 12:04 am
Uh, Cable WAS the head coach. And under Tom Cable as head coach, the Raiders improved from 5-11 to 8-8, which was the most improvement in one season since 2000. FACT.
We can sit here all day and split hairs as to who was calling the plays, who had more influence, who wanted Campbell to play on this down, who wanted Grads to play on that down, et al. Till we’re blue in the f’n face. Why not just dispense with the conspiracy theories and go with the facts that we do have? Tom Cable was the head coach, period. And while he was head coach, the Raiders went from 5-11 to 8-8.
July 16th, 2011 at 1:35 am
Are you ready for some foooootbaaallll????????
Get them Rrrraaaaiiiidderrrss goin! YEAH!
July 16th, 2011 at 1:48 am
Al is the grand master architect of all things silver and black. Yeah!
Headquarters is busy workin hard to go all the way this year but will need the support of all the fans. Yeah!
The Nation gonna be rockin with the Raiders this year. Let me hear ya say YEAH!
We are over the hump and Al and the Raiders be the ones doin the humpin and the thumpin. OH YEAH!
July 16th, 2011 at 2:40 am
Have you seen this cr@p?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Pittsburgh-columnist-The-Steelers-are-the-new-R?urn=nfl-wp3429
July 16th, 2011 at 6:39 am
“Just win baby ” I could care less who the qb is. IMO Gradkowski is the more instinctive QB. Only knock on him and Chaz is health. Who was that CB we had who couldn’t stay on the field? Charles Woodwind… Look at him now. Sorry to see Bruce go, and a whole lot of people in hear will be to if he gets to play against us.
July 16th, 2011 at 6:40 am
”No real fan would spend money on the Raiders right now. Real fans are boycotting the team until Al is gone.”
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No REAL fan would say that. You are a sad sorry loser that spends most of his waking day on this blog spitting the same old vitriol over and over. You have a lot in common with your nemesis Al, YOU are the laughing stock of this blog.
July 16th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Say on ESPN that there is no right of first refusal in place, and all players without a contract and 4 years of service, will be UNRESTRICTED free agents.
So the only hold-up for Mike Bush is if that first year when he was on IR counts. He has no contract, but I don’t know if that counts for the 4 years of service.
If he is unrestricted, he is gone, IMO. Some team will give him 3 years $15 million, something like that.
If that is true, how can Al pay his backup RB more than his starting QB??
July 16th, 2011 at 7:26 am
I refuse to let Davis minions define what a real fan is. I am a real fan. And I’m not spending a dime on this football team until Al Davis is gone. And, I know I’m not alone. I seem to remember a billboard going up a couple of years ago. Those aren’t cheap. Had to have been a few people who donated. A company near the coliseum hung a large banner from their building saying “Fire Al Davis” after Al fired Kiffin. The walls are closing in. And when Al finally gets the hint and steps down, it won’t be soon enough.
July 16th, 2011 at 7:41 am
As soon as I post this ill be called MR or be accused of being the same person as RAIDER, but the fact is I am neither MR or Raider and I TOO despise Al Davis and KNOW he is the problem and am counting the days till hes gone. Period. I look forward to his obit in the daily news.
July 16th, 2011 at 7:51 am
Well, of course, Dan, that’s because I’m the only person on the planet who doesn’t like Al Davis, in the minds of some of these delusional fools in here. I guess I paid for that billboard a couple of years ago. Oh, and I own the business that hung that banner near the coliseum. lol. My powers are amazing, aren’t they? I’m the only person in the world who doesn’t like Al, and I’m going to bring him down! Woo hoo
July 16th, 2011 at 8:19 am
I sent $20 for the billboard, lol.
I didn’t believe in the stated goal, I just thought it was pretty cool that some 23 year old kid in Pennslyvania had the ability to pull it off, and appreciated his gumption.
July 16th, 2011 at 8:36 am
Your cheating heart? Shizzle wizzle? hillbilly bill?
Jerry! Are you responsible for those?
If not, you should put a stop to it.
Remember this?
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009/09/09/starting-over-to-clean-things-up-here/
July 16th, 2011 at 8:54 am
lol. My grandpa used to use the word “gumption” all the time. You must hang around a lot of old guys, JFB.
July 16th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Hey Plunk, Good Morning.
Hardly anything innapropiate or going beyond topic or debate, and no profanity of anything off Raider football. I think those posters are new to the blog. We need more people in here.
And as far as that dirty billboard someone put up about telling Al he needs a GM, Al should have put up a billboard that said he had a GM already.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Gumption is a great word!!!
Today’s twitter generation will have that word run out of circulation in 20 years.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Al took the billboard seriously. That’s why he lied about having hired someone in the front office, that “you people didn’t know about”. lol. As soon as that billboard went up, he suddenly started addressing front office issues in his press conference. It’s progress.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:02 am
– Profanity of any kind, and that includes putting characters ($%#@) in the place of letters in a swear word.
– Any personal attacks that go well beyond the scope of debate.
– Any comments containing inflammatory language regarding sexual preference, race, politics, etc.
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Hey Plunk, I agree with you but the stuff Jerry and the I.T. are trying to ban in here is just common practice on a daily basis. You been in here at all during the day and seen KoolKell and Beecham go at it for example? Personal attacks are the norm. Truly amazing.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:09 am
My government teacher in high school was a hard core right winger. One of those crazed Vietnam war vets who blame the protestors for losing the war. lol. And I remember for the first couple of months of the ‘92 school year, leading up to the election, he’d always say, “the gumption of this Bill Clinton, the gumption”. lol. Talk about an agenda in the public schools! sheesh.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:11 am
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L. Houston
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Burnt Toast
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S. Brown
Your 2nd in the league in pass defense and your possibly dumping the best CB in the game today.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Funny how whenever people quote the blog rules, they only seem to accuse the rule breakers who they disagree with topically.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:16 am
At Chico State, I had to take a theme core (3 classes) and it was some type of inequality of wealth stuff. A psych class, a Math Stats class (one of my favorites), and some type of lit class.
One of my teachers asked us to stand up to recite the pledge of allegiance, and when we all stood up, he sat down. Later, we watched Roger and Me, and Stupid White Men was required reading.
My pops was none too pleased that he was paying for that.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Did read a good book on how there is a lack of wealth and GNP in Africa because there are no land rights in most places.
Every other developed country has all these property values, and nobody even knows if anybody or if anybody should, own the land in central Africa.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Jerry also said himself that he will handle the moderation, and that he’d prefer that we just went on with our discussion, as opposed to tattling and trying to get people banned. He said the site’s administrators were just as fed up with e-mails begging to ban people as they were moderating the childish blog exchanges. So, plunkethead…what do you say? Wrap it up and start talking football.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:22 am
<—–adding extremely smart to that list.
I could actually care less about MR and his 240 troll names.
I just like giving Scary a hard time.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:24 am
With our right wing govt. teacher, we just thought that’s just the way it was. There was no liberal Bill O Reilly back then going on t.v. every night and blasting the public schools for allowing teachers like this with clear political agendas. Just was what it was. We didn’t complain. I actually liked the teacher. Just like a lot of rabid right wingers, he’s cool until someone gets him going on politics.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Jerry has a blog that gets all kinds of hits and more comments than PFT, DURING THE OFFSEASON.
I’m sure he is all too happy to turn a blind eye to it all, and cite his hits/comments to advertisers.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
plunkethead, this blog’s administrators don’t like tattletales. Talk football.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I have been giving Scary a hard time about his blog for almost as long as MR has been baiting & attacking people at Jerrysworld.
Right MR, : )
July 16th, 2011 at 9:28 am
plunk, see comment 496
July 16th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Jerry has a blog that gets all kinds of hits and more comments than PFT, DURING THE OFFSEASON.
I’m sure he is all too happy to turn a blind eye to it all, and cite his hits/comments to advertisers.
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YEAH BABY!
July 16th, 2011 at 9:29 am
lol shut up MR
Thats funny, real funny. The only ones who ever rat are the three blind trolls
lol three blind trolls = rats who snitch = MR, KK, Oakglen, hahaha
July 16th, 2011 at 9:30 am
plunket…post 496. Read it again. A few times if you have to.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Anyone watching golf. I bet you duffers would like to play there.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:34 am
You know, I can’t believe I forgot all about this. But that teacher? The day after Clinton won the election, he made us read the constitution! And he talked about Clinton’s “socialist policies” being a threat to the constitution! Unbelievable. What is it with conservatives going all 18th century on us whenever they lose the white house? Guess that whole tea party mentality is nothing new. Can’t believe I forgot all about that. That guy was funny.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:34 am
I would love to go to the British Open one year.
On the bucket list. You can gamble on the players throughout the day(s)!!!
I don’t really know how you bet on golf, but I’m sure I would figure it out.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Raiderfankirk Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 6:39 am
“Just win baby ” I could care less who the qb is. IMO Gradkowski is the more instinctive QB. Only knock on him and Chaz is health. Who was that CB we had who couldn’t stay on the field? Charles Woodwind… Look at him now. Sorry to see Bruce go, and a whole lot of people in hear will be to if he gets to play against us.
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Idiotic post of the month! “Instinctive QB”??? What the hell is that supposed to mean? What “instinct” did he rely on when he threw one of the worst picks in Raider history on 1st down, down 10 against the Texans? His “instincts” ended the game right there. You Bruise worshipers are such sheep. You actually believe he would be good if not for injuries?? Injuries had nothing to do with his schitty play against SD, Houston and Miami. The truth is that his injury history gives Bruise fans a convenient out: “He’s a HOFer when he plays, he just gets injured too much”. Time to wake up. The more Bruise played, the more he sucked.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:47 am
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July 16th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Worst picks in Raider History was a week 4 game against the Houston Texans??
Wasn’t a good pass by any means, but let’s save the bloaviation.
I vote Louis Murphy’s dropped INT to actually end the game, as the worst dropped pass in Raider history!!!!
July 16th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Funny that before the last dropped pass INT, Bruce had 278 yards passing (more than Jamarcus ever had in one game) that game and had a 100+ QB rating, which Jamarcus did only 4 times in his career.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Another funny note.
Bruce was awful against Miami. A 63.5 QB rating is not good at all.
However, Jamarcus Russell had a sub-63.5 QB rating in 12 of his 25 starts!!! Almost 50% of the time, he was worse than Bruce against Miami last year.
In fact, Jamarcus Russell’s career QB rating (65.2) is about one completed pass better than Bruce against Miami.
July 16th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Campbell > Gradkowski > JaMarcus
Of course, none of these guys seem to be the long-term answer for any team. Campbell seems to have the most potential, but needs to play with less hesitation.
This season will be make-or-break for him. If he doesn’t come around, the Raiders are going to need to look for their quarterback in the first round of the draft next year. The way the league is now, the chances of any team getting it done with journeyman or scrap-heap QBs is greatly diminished. The teams with the most stability at the QB position achieved that through the draft.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:02 am
I love how the media is in love with the Raiders picking up Plaxico in free agency and drafting Terelle Pryor… The funnier thing is the fact that both those guys have been working out together for the past week and talking each other abilities up pretty good.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:08 am
We have nobody to back up Campbell now. And he needed to be bailed out a few times last year.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
RAIDER Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Jerry also said himself that he will handle the moderation, and that he’d prefer that we just went on with our discussion, as opposed to tattling and trying to get people banned. He said the site’s administrators were just as fed up with e-mails begging to ban people as they were moderating the childish blog exchanges.
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YEAH BABY!
July 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Another funny note.
Bruce was awful against Miami. A 63.5 QB rating is not good at all.
However, Jamarcus Russell had a sub-63.5 QB rating in 12 of his 25 starts!!! Almost 50% of the time, he was worse than Bruce against Miami last year.
In fact, Jamarcus Russell’s career QB rating (65.2) is about one completed pass better than Bruce against Miami.
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LOL! I was wondering how long it would take JFB to come up with some goofy stats to excuse his man crush. Trumped up stats against the NFL’s worst pass defense don”t impress me, especially when you consider that Houston took its foot off the gas after the game-losing pick. Since we’re on the subject though, what is the career QB rating for Bruise?
July 16th, 2011 at 10:15 am
JaMarcus = Bust
Grads = Broken
JC = Better get’er done if you want that contract extension for the big $$$
Since the great Jim Plunkett (qb who led Raiders to 2 superbowl victories) and a wee bit of Gannon, Oakland is always looking for a QB.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Russell may be the bust of Raider qbs’, but Marc Wilson was awfully painful, awfully painful to watch. Especially those ugly soft rainbow passes. Yuck.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:19 am
AllThingsRaider Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 10:15 am
JaMarcus = Bust
Grads = Broken
JC = Better get’er done if you want that contract extension for the big $$$
Since the great Jim Plunkett (qb who led Raiders to 2 superbowl victories) and a wee bit of Gannon, Oakland is always looking for a QB.
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Grads = Broken??
How do you figure?
July 16th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Raider Debo, My bad. Just mean injury prone, as in unable to take the crush.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:34 am
ATR,
Rich Gannon is the second best rated passer in Raiders’ history. Above Plunkett. Stabler is tops.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Fashizzle Wizzle Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 1:35 am
Are you ready for some foooootbaaallll????????
Get them Rrrraaaaiiiidderrrss goin! YEAH!
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YEAH BABY!
July 16th, 2011 at 10:43 am
RAIDER Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 10:34 am
ATR,
Rich Gannon is the second best rated passer in Raiders’ history. Above Plunkett. Stabler is tops.
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Here is a classic case example of stats taking a back seat to facts. The great Jim Plunkett led the Raiders to 2 superbowl victories, Stabler 1, and Gannon did very good in trying.
Plunkett = 2 rings
Stabler = 1 ring
Gannon = 0 ring
If Gannon would have had Gruden as his coach that superbowl year, FACT: Gannon would have one ring and Al Davis would have 4 Lombardi Trophies for his case.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:44 am
This season will be make-or-break for him. If he doesn’t come around, the Raiders are going to need to look for their quarterback in the first round of the draft next year. The way the league is now, the chances of any team getting it done with journeyman or scrap-heap QBs is greatly diminished. The teams with the most stability at the QB position achieved that through the draft.
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The teams with the most stability at QB have the best teams overall. When the Raiders get this thing built right, there will be a long list of guys who can get it done at QB.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Okay, so my Trent Edwards idea wasn’t too popular. But nobody seems to want to keep both Boller and Frye..
Three choices:
1) Terelle Pryor. High upside, big question marks – might be a decent WR. Not worth a 3rd but probably worth a 5th.
2) Pat Devlin. Still undrafted but will not be short of camp offers. Has some potential but a stretch to think he is starter material. Worth bringing to camp if he’s interested in us.
3) Matt Leinart or Troy Smith. Both Heisman winners, both have real limitations but both probably offer more than Charlie Frye.
PS: I still think Edwards is our best option for 3rd QB
July 16th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Plunkett alone didn’t win those Super Bowls. He played on a better overall team than Gannon. Plunkett inherited a Raider team chalk full of hard core Ron Wolf football players. Gannon inherited a mess and had to spend as much time babysitting as he did preparing for games. Plunket didn’t have that problem. All that said, Gannon still has better numbers than Plunkett. I could only imagine what Gannon could have done with that early ’80s Raider team. We might have 5 trophies.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:53 am
I like Josh Portis better than Devlin for the kind of things that Raider QBs are asked to do. Portis has a rocket arm and pretty good deep accuracy, which are two things Devlin seems to lack. Would really like him as a UDFA pickup.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Portis has more baggage than a Hilton Bellboy. Strong arm, quick feet, no brain and less judgement. Sounds ideal.
July 16th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Ron Wolf would be selling vacuam cleaners door to door if it wasnt for the greatness that is Al Davis and Oakland Raiders.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Scottish Raider Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Portis has more baggage than a Hilton Bellboy. Strong arm, quick feet, no brain and less judgement. Sounds ideal.
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Yep, that’s why he didn’t get drafted. Worth a shot as a UDFA, though. No risk, but if he can get his s*** together he’s got all the skills.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Nothing to lose by bringing Portis to camp. There are quite a few decent UDFAs – I like the TCU Center Kirkpatrick – and we should hopefully attract a few to Alameda.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:06 am
DE/DT Brandon Bair from Oregon would be a phenomenal UDFA pickup. I also like OT/OGs David Mims and Byron Bell.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:12 am
This is a Qb-driven league, with every rule being made to favor QB’s and the passing game.
The best QB’s make the best teams.
What was the Pats record the year before Brady? Colts were garbage for most of the 20 years before Peyton, and will be once he leaves. Falcons were fresh off a 2-14 season before Matt Ryan lead them to the playoffs as a rookie. Cardinals before and after Kurt Warner?? How did those Cowboys do last year without Romo?
It’s all about the QB these days. That’s why in such a weak QB draft class this year, we still had more QB’s taken in the top 40 picks or whatever, ever in draft history. Guys like Ponder would have been mid-round picks in the 90’s (when it was a RB-O-line driven league) but were taken in what the top 12?? Crazy-talk!!
Without a top QB, you MIGHT be able to get a top-tier D to drag you into the playoffs. But once there, you will lose to an elite QB.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Here’s some interesting questions for Hue, if anyones intersted in reading. I like what he brings to the table, we’ll see if he can back it up.
Question from Jim Hoggard: How do you balance having a quality back up at the quarterback position with not creating a controversy if the starter struggles at the beginning of the season?
Coach Jackson: I think your starter is your starter. Obviously Jason Campbell is our starter and we have Kyle Boller as our backup right now. We need to add some more arms to that position and I think we will as we continue to move forward. I think you never worry as a starter who else is on the team. We treat all of our players here at that position as starters so they go and prepare and get themselves ready to play week in and week out. I think a backup here will tell you that he knows he’s a play away and that he’s always prepared to go in and play. I don’t think there will be any controversy here. Obviously we expect our quarterback to play great and play at a high level. If he’s not meeting those demands then we will work accordingly to get him to meet those demands. We truly believe in the guy we anoint as our starter and barring injury or some unforeseen reason do we see that changing at all.
Question from Miguel Gomez: What does it take for the Raiders to bring back that Commitment to Excellence?
Coach Jackson: It takes Commitment to Excellence. It takes commitment in excellence in all that we do, the way we prepare, the way we practice, the way we travel, the way we eat, how we sleep, how we condition our bodies and take care of our bodies as we prepare for battle every time we play. We want to chase perfection in everything we do. We set out to do that in all areas for this football team and for this organization. I truly believe if we’re committed to being the best then we will be the best.
Question from Nate from North Dakota: What can Raider Nation expect this season during your first year as Head Coach?
Coach Jackson: They will probably see a guy that’s very passionate about winning and expects to win all the time. I’m never going to back down from that. I know what the expectations are here. I want to raise the expectations on every level. I’ve said that since day one. I truly believe that. I believe we have those kind of players. I believe we’re going to create an environment for our players to chase greatness. I’m never going to back off of that as long as I’m the head coach here. I think our players understand that. I think they’re ready to meet that challenge of what that’s truly all about. What that’s all about is being a Raider. We expect to do that.
Question from Mark Lopez: Would you consider obtaining a player with major character and personality issues? Yes or no, and why?
Coach Jackson: Yes, if those character issues I understand and are something I can deal with and something our organization truly believes is either behind the player or we can help the player move beyond those. You have to have certain types of people available to assist in helping the players be all that they can be. No, in the sense that if I can’t help the player, I do not want to do anything to damage our team, this organization, or this city. It’s not that important. There are so many good players out there, I’m sure we can find one that doesn’t have a lot of character flaws. There are certain cases and I think you deal with them on an individual basis and I don’t think you worry about it. If you make a decision you’re taking them, you do it and you do it with conviction. If you decide not to take them, you do that with conviction and turn away and find the next guy.
Question from Clifford Geigle: Given your experience in other organizations throughout the NFL, is the league-wide perception of the Raiders organization wrong? Furthermore, does this perception broaden itself onto the playing field, in turn leading to questionable calls against our Silver and Black?
Coach Jackson: Yes, I do believe that there is a perception from people that think that we are being treated unfairly. I don’t subscribe to that for this reason – until we become the team we want to become, we can’t ever worry about that. Until we learn to quit beating ourselves pre-snap with concentration penalties, until we learn to quit beating ourselves turning the ball over, not getting enough turnovers, until we learn to tackle and block the way I think we need to tackle and block, I think all those things are going to be said. When we become the football team that I envision us becoming, I think we leave no doubt. I think what the perception is won’t be an issue. The issue is us being as good as we can be as fast as we can be it.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Good to hear that Hue wants to bring in some other arms, and that Boller is the backup “right now”.
Soup has played 32 halves of football once in 6 years, and the Raiders haven’t had a 16 game starter at QB in 8 years.
Chances are, unfortunately, our backup QB will be relied upon at some point in time in 2012.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:20 am
@YoungAmerican
What do you think of the Raiders trading somthing for Haynesworth? Someone (Plunk?) mentioned the Redksins might trade him for potentially peanuts, b/c they do not want him to sign with the Eagles.
Seems that Raiders could be a place where he just gets to cut it loose every play? No gap resposibility? Plus he been riped on for only wanting to play 15-20 snaps a game, also the Raiders might be a team where this could happen.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Since we’re on the subject though, what is the career QB rating for Bruise?
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Just SLIGHTLY better than Jamarcus’, lol.
So there you go, we both are sitting around like idiots defending two worthless QB’s.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Apparently, some of you guys didn’t get the memo. The Raiders can’t sign a viable backup QB.
JaJason can’t perform well with someone looking over his shoulder.
Any QB that might threaten JaJason’s ‘unquestioned starter’ status can not be considered.
Any QB with ability or the desire to start can’t be on the roster or else JaJason’s delicate psyche might be upset.
Forget Edwards, VY, or even Grads.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Plunketthead Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Ron Wolf would be selling vacuam cleaners door to door if it wasnt for the greatness that is Al Davis and Oakland Raiders.
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Could be right. But that doesn’t change the fact that Al Davis has never won a Super Bowl without significant help from Ron Wolf, and that Ron Wolf has won a Super Bowl without any help whatsoever from Al Davis.
There have been plenty of cases where bad people are responsible for the careers of good people. Al giving Wolf his opportunity is no exception.
July 16th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Raiderman99, you’re saying Gradkowski is gone because Jason Campbell was afraid Gradkowski would take his job, and that therefore Campbell couldn’t play well? Is Campbell really that fragile?
July 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Dweebs, my sweet Carmageddon Bikini Blowout just started and the PARTYDUDE 8000 is getting mad love from the honies.
The Simply Red cover band is getting ready to start their set (they break it down reggae style) and a few babes from the Puerto Rican Beach Volleyball team are rolling spliffs in the bathroom.
All I need is to get the lobster tails on the BBQ, pack a few Magnums in my sock and get ready to party serious.
Whatever you nerds are doing today can’t compare but feel free to enlighten me
July 16th, 2011 at 11:58 am
I’m going to pleasure myself while reading your comments, Beech.
July 16th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
pack a few Magnums in my sock and get ready to party serious.
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Lmao!
July 16th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
And likely, Beech, your actual plans today are to pleasure yourself while reading your comments, too.
July 16th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
July 16th, 2011 at 11:20 am
@YoungAmerican
What do you think of the Raiders trading somthing for Haynesworth? Someone (Plunk?) mentioned the Redksins might trade him for potentially peanuts, b/c they do not want him to sign with the Eagles.
Seems that Raiders could be a place where he just gets to cut it loose every play? No gap resposibility? Plus he been riped on for only wanting to play 15-20 snaps a game, also the Raiders might be a team where this could happen.
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I think scheme-wise, Oakland is Haynesworth’s best fit. He’s the kind of player who can make plays behind the line of scrimmage. If he wants to go somewhere he can just attack the ball-carrier and doesn’t have to be the guy to just plug gaps, Oakland is the place for him.
Thing is, there’s already a lot of money tied up in Seymour, TK, and Henderson. Not sure the Raiders would be willing to pay a good chunk of money (a lot of his contract was lumped into last year, but he’ll still be making starter money this season) for a guy who would probably be just a part-time player.
There are also the obvious character issues. Maybe with Richard Seymour next to him, he shapes up. But Washington has a couple leaders in that locker room, especially on defense, and Haynesworth was still a distraction.
So who knows. He’s a good player when he wants to be. It would be an interesting move for sure, but only if he’s really interested in contributing and putting his reputation behind him.
July 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
There’s been some very creative excuse making for Raider QBs.
We can all buy into the ‘terrible supporting cast’ excuse. Forget that a top notch QB elevates the play of those around him. The Raids obviously haven’t had a top notch QB or even one that could overcome the rest of the team’s weaknesses.
This excuse actually has some credibility.
At a certain point however, a QB’s individual performance can become so horribly bad that even the poor supporting cast excuse rings hollow.
We reached that point with JaMoron. The realization that he was an unmotivated, out of shape, syrup slurping, blathering idiot trumped the supporting cast excuse. It became clear to all that he had to go.
Well, almost all. There’s still a few that just don’t get it. One of them likes to say ‘poor JaMarcus’. Another one likes to mention that JaMoron’s uncle died 5 years ago to help explain the biggest bust in NFL history.
With JaJason, we still hear the ‘poor supporting cast’ excuse. OL can’t pass protect, weak WRs. Some validity there.
But that’s not enough to explain games like Tenn, St Lou, Pitt or SF. (Even though just yesterday it was claimed that Ford cost the Raiders the SF game by clanking the short pass in the 4th qtr with the Raids down by 8. Forget about the 10.7 QB rating for the entire game.)
So the JaJason supporters trot out the ‘he’s never been in the same system’ excuse.
Then there’s the tried and true ‘you just criticize JaJason, will never accept him, and hate him bcz he’s black’ rationale.
But the most creative – and most humorous – is the ‘JaJason can’t play well with someone looking over his shoulder’ excuse.
Can’t wait to see what else the JaJason supporters come up with as the season progresses.
July 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Sorry I got distracted – this one crazy hostess babe from Islands filled my hot tub up with margaritas from the PARTYDUDE 8000 and started splashing around topless.
Of course the only choice I had was to turn on the jets and pump up some Kid n Play.
And of you dorks ever drive a convertible Corvette into a glass elevator? I need a little more bass at the Carmegeddon Bikini Blowout and am running out of options.
July 20th, 2011 at 12:25 am
“Does anyone remember before the the uncapped season how the Raiders would routinely have these huge overages against the salary cap _ as high as $40 or $50 million _ and then magically be under the cap and still be players in the free agent market?
…They simply extended contracts to their top players, cut their salaries to the minimum and spread bonus money out over the life of the deal to lessen the cap hit.”
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