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Things to look for if CBA approved by players tonight

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The owners voted in favor of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement on Thursday afternoon. Now it’s up to the players to weigh in.

The latest word paints a picture of the players having some concerns over a “supplemental revenue sharing proposal” that the owners approved, but the players side was unaware of, according to NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith.

Some reports are filtering out that the players now are inclined not to vote tonight. That places in jeopardy the tentative guidelines set forth by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell upon delivering the news that the owners approved their proposal.

In summary, the season is set to begin Saturday if the players sign off on the new CBA in the next 24 hours or so. If not, everything is back up in the air and will be pushed back.

For now, here’s how things shake out.

Training camps are permitted to open Wednesday. No padded practices are allowed on the second and third days. The Raiders already are scheduled to kick off camp this day anyway, so no big deal here.

The Raiders can begin waiving players and renegotiating contracts Saturday. That’s a good thing because they will need time to get under the new salary cap limit of $120 million. Teams have until Wednesday to be in full compliance of the new cap limit.

The Raiders and other teams can being voluntary training, conditioning and classroom instruction Saturday. They also are permitted to sign drafted rookies and their own free agents, as well as franchise players.

 Free agency starts Wednesday, with players who have four years or more experience considered unrestricted free agents. The new CBA reverts back to the terms of the previous agreement, whereas last year players needed six years or more to be an unrestricted free agents.

This is of utmost concern to the Raiders because tight end Zach Miller now is an unrestricted free agent. The one-year tender he received in March goes away because he no longer is considered a restricted free agent. The Raiders want Miller back in a big way. It’s likely going to take a big contract to secure the long-term services of their leading receiver each of the past three seasons.

As of now, the Raiders exhibition opener against the Arizona Cardinals remains in place for Aug. 11 at the Coliseum.

The Raiders and other teams are free to go after any undrafted free agent Sunday. The Raiders typically are quite active when it comes time to targeting such players. Given their salary cap constraints, they figure to be just as active this time around.

Other items of note include:

— The Raiders are as successful as any team at getting their players to report to training camp on time. However, players under contract aren’t required to report until Aug. 9 before they are subject to fines. 

— The ability of teams to carry as many as 90 players on their rosters, beginning Wednesday. They wouldn’t have to get down to 75 until Aug. 30.

— Teams can make trades beginning Wednesday. Trades seldom are made in the NFL, so this isn’t that big of a deal.

Again, the aforementioned dates are tentative and subject to the players approving the new CBA. If that doesn’t happen soon, all bets are off and these dates get pushed back.

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Steve Corkran

  • J Hill

    Where are the TE’s that are a dime a dozen out there? Ausberry? Meyers? uh…no.

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    I didn’t miss Zack Miller at all last year when Meyers played for him. We have a QB who checks down to Miller more often than not because he is one on one with a LB. Miller is a LOUSY blocker. Both against the run and against the pass. Marcell Reese could step in for Miller right now and we wouldn’t miss a beat.

    The rookie from Miami and even Ausberry would do just fine one on one against a LB.

    Don’t get me wrong, Miller is a decent player. I don’t think he is a pro bowler at all, and shouldn’t be paid like one. Miller won’t make the pro bowl over Gates, Clark, or Grontkowski this season.

    Speaking of Clark, look how easily he was replaced by a no name rookie one he got hurt? Cooley’s replacement in Washington made him look like he was nothing special.

    TEs are covered one on one by Ss or LBs. Not that hard to beat those guys in pass coverage.

    IMO!

  • guest123

    Speaking of Clark, look how easily he was replaced by a no name rookie one he got hurt? Cooley’s replacement in Washington made him look like he was nothing special.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    :LMAO: The rest of your post was good. But any TE would be a stud with Peyton Manning as the QB. Ausberry could be as good as Tamme if given the chance.

  • Sully

    Mitchell said via Twitter: “Man, I love Mr. Davis. Trendsetter. He never follows the crowd. Thats a true Raider!”

    …………

    Kissing your boss’s ass is nothing new.

  • guest123

    Nnamdi21 Says:
    July 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 pm
    I know theres a strike on and it is the off season but these guys were on break a long time…:)

    http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle

    Points out that things aren’t a lock in Oakland to go to the play offs or even be as good as we were last year.

    ALOT of questions coaching and O line mang…

    ********

    Good stuff, Nnamdi. I wonder if you keep your screenname for long.

  • Sully

    Nnamdi, does RaiderNationStation know the difference between a strike and a lockout? You clearly don’t.

  • priesttj

    These players are acting like spoiled children who don’t want to go to their room. All they have to say for their delay is that the owners are trying to push them around. The point is what is the objective? Is it to cry about the owners and the public opinion or is it to get the deal DONE!!.

    These players arfe wasting way too much time with the ancillary things instead of what needs to be done and how. While the peripheral things are important make sure the are germane to getting the deal DONE!

  • priesttj

    Sully it’s starting to resemble a STRIKE rather than a LOCKOUT!

  • Just Fire Baby

    I like Ford a lot, and he has some of the best ball skills on our team when the ball is in flight.

    But his size hinders him.

    JHill posted the link on the last thread. Passes thrown to Jacoby Ford resulted in one of the lowest percentage of completed passes in the league, just barely ahead of DHB.

    5’7 WR’s are very difficult to be major players in the passing game, week in and week out.

    Just the way it is.

  • Sully

    This is a clever ploy by the owners. Set this big deadline date. Just before that date, put a new proposal on the table, that’s probably just about the same as their original proposal, knowing the players will reject it. Because of the media coverage around the deadline and now the new proposal, this makes it seem as if the players are now the instigators. With our media combined with the, forgive me, but less than intelligent sports fan base today, this will probably work, and the players will probably cave. Hopefully D. Smith can get through to them and let them know they’re being conned.

  • Sully

    priest, it can resemble a dolphin show at sea world. It’s still a lockout. The owners have the gates locked. They can unlock the gates anytime they want to. It’s a lockout. Still a lockout. Was a lockout from the start, will remain a lockout until the gates are unlocked.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Al Davis….whats not to love!!!! Screw the nfl, the raider way is the only way. You think his guys dont love him, your sadly mistaken. It has been a treat to be araider fan for my entire life. thank you uncle AL!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Just heard Takeo Spikes on the SVP show, and if it is up to him, he isn’t signing this deal.

    Dude was fired up and probably should have chilled out a little before the interview. He was getting so into it, Rusillo kind of cornered him about what the fans think, and Spikes basically wasn’t hearing it and was like who cares.

    Being that it is only fans that listen to ESPN radio, he didn’t win himself any court of public opinion votes.

  • Sully

    priest, it’s good to know you view the players as children. They’re not. They’re adults, and they have just as much right to bargain with their employer as every other American has.

  • priesttj

    Welll I agree Sully but when they lift this lockout on Saturday if the players are still standing around picking their noses it wont be pretty.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Mistic1,

    Last labor agreement, the Bills and Bengals actually had the sack to vote against it, not abstain from it.

    Did their no-vote win them any love from players??

    I doubt it. Half of the NFL players probably don’t even know Mike Brown and Ralph Wilson voted against the last CBA deal, and half of these guys will forget Al abstained in about 6 months.

  • DutchRaider77

    @Rockstar,
    You are crazy if you think that Davis will trade Ford. Ford is is a total Al Davis draft pick, fastest guy in the draft. I think he may have gotten the a Davis’ schlorship, hopefully he will not need it…

  • hwnrdr

    JFB…no one cared about the fans in this one…It’s getting harder and harder to renew my tix…

  • Sully

    The owners are not going to lift any lockout. If they lift the lockout, it goes back to the original contract for another year. That means their entire efforts are one huge fail. And, this is exactly what the players want. The players are at the gates waiting to get in, priest. That’s been their position from day one, that this is all on the owners.

  • Sully

    hwnrder,

    you could renew your tickets after 8 consecutive seasons of missing the playoffs, but not after this?

  • priesttj

    Sully we both agree the owners played this hand perfectly but the fact remains that they ratified the deal it’s in the players hands they should’ve been better prepared for such an eventuality. They’re standing around complaining about what the owners did to them when all they have to do, is do what’s necessary to get it done. There wis wayy toooo much money on the table to be complaing about PR crap…..LOL

    NONE of us want to still be talking about this stupid LOCKOUT……..NO ONE will be sympathetic to them no matter what the facts say………….period

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    It is hilarious that impostor fans constantly accuse real raider fans of being conspiracy theorist. Al Davis abstains from the vote and the impostors are out in droves floating their own conspiracy theories.

    Laughable

  • Sully

    priest, the players don’t have to do a damn thing. This is America, priest. Nobody has to work for anyone. The players have the right to bargain like every other American. You already revealed that you view them as kids. Perhaps you view them as servants of some kind, too.

  • hwnrdr

    That 8 yrs always factored into it, but I feel that the lockout has hurt the Raiders chances of continuing on with any success stemming from an 8-8 last year. If it continues through next month…which none of us knows, it may…I will have a big decision to make. May decide to sit out a year and get it back next year…I will be at the tailgates though!

  • Sully

    priest, you’re not sympathetic to them now! Already you’re calling them children. You don’t even know what’s in this contract. It could screw them like a drunk girl on prom night. And you’re telling them to just sign, like the Jerry Heller/Eazy E reenactment in Dr. Dre “Dre Day” video. You have no sympathy for them now. So why are you threatening to not sympathize with them later?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    # Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 22nd, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Mistic1,

    Last labor agreement, the Bills and Bengals actually had the sack to vote against it, not abstain from it.

    Did their no-vote win them any love from players??

    I doubt it. Half of the NFL players probably don’t even know Mike Brown and Ralph Wilson voted against the last CBA deal, and half of these guys will forget Al abstained in about 6 months.
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    Your a hater, you have already been exposed. You dont like Davis. You dont like our head coach or our starting qb, so your take means nothing to me.

    My point has nothing to do with “half the nfl player” my point was about the raider players.

    His players love him but dont take my word for it.

    “Man, I love Mr. Davis. Trendsetter. He never follows the crowd. Thats a true Raider!” Missle Mike 34

  • lefty12

    BS,Sully.It is now on the players.THEIR representatives bargained for a deal.A deal was agreed upon and now,the players are balking because they feel they are being rushed.Their attitude is like a teenage child.I saw a placard recently that said something like-teenagers know everything until you ask them a question,then they don’t know anything.Sounds like the players today.

  • Sully

    Lefty, there is no deal until the players themselves agree with it. The union leaders dont’ vote. They delegate with management. Labor votes. You expect people to sign a contract without even reading it? Would you ever do it? Why would you expect anyone else to?

  • hwnrdr

    lefty12 Says:
    July 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    …teenagers know everything until you ask them a question,then they don’t know anything.

    Aint that the truth!

    Back to the players…ok, yes, they have every right to bargain just like any American, but the bosses (Owners) have every right to look for others that are willing to work (play). Someone in here mentioned scabs playing this year…who knows, that may be the truth! But in all fairness, you are right Sully…none of us knows what is in the contract…So we have no say on the players delay…

  • priesttj

    lefty12

    I totally agree i this is making the players look foolish whether that’s fair or not is irrelevant the fcat remains they look like they weren’t prepared for the obvious. All the players need do is work hard at re-certifying and ratifying the deal that makes them look a lot smarter but if they don’t recertify relatively soon they will look even worse.

  • lefty12

    The monetary questions have been settled.That has been reported by Player Reps. from different teams.The players are pissed because the agreement cannot be settled until they re-certify and they don’t want to be told they have to re-certify.Supposedly the sticking point now is the players want a voice in the commissioners handling of off-field issues and this can’t be negotiated unless there is a union,which is BS because they are a union,they just don’t want to be called one.

  • Sully

    Lefty, people saying that the players should just sign, even if they don’t agree with it, are acting as if they know everything, too. No different than a teenager. It’s actually more adult like to read out every detail, and make sure everything is what it claims to be. I think the players are acting like adults, to be honest with you. The childish thing for them to do would be for them to just sign without fully understanding the language of the contract. Sounds to me like they’re too smart for that, and you’re frustrated about it. Who’s acting like the child?

    BTW, a better saying is:

    A genius seeks to learn every day.

    An idiot already knows everything.

  • priesttj

    If the players don’t like what’s in the deal the fact that they are not a Union prevents them from ratifying the deal to delay being a Union is what I’m talking about.

  • Sully

    Nothing is settled until the players vote on it, Lefty. Do you really expect people to sign contracts, or vote for contracts, that they don’t agree with? Would you do it? Have you ever? What’s good for the goose, Left. You seem like a smart guy and I couldn’t picture you signing a contract that you didn’t agree with. So why in the world would you expect any other American to?

  • lefty12

    Sully,if the players negotiators didn’t know what they agreed to with the owners before yesterdays vote by the owners,the weren’t doing their job.

  • priesttj

    Sully YOU are totally Missing the point we ALL agree they should know what they are signing. We are saying how long does that TAKE. WHY not do what you can while you can………….if they don’t like the deal they certainly shouldn’t sign it. But this looks like they’re unorganizaed more than anything.

  • Sully

    priest, you want the players to work on terms they don’t necessarily agree with. Why should they do that?

  • priesttj

    Sully I NEVER SAID that YOU SAIUD I SAID that………

    I’m saying they should’ve known more than thye’re saying they know. They look unprofessional.

  • Sully

    priest, what reasons do you believe it’s taking them so much time? The best reason I can come up with is that there is a ton of stuff they don’t agree with. Why do you expect people to work on terms they don’t agree with?

  • lefty12

    The point is they SHOULD have known what was in the deal,not wait until the other side passes it and then read it.You don’t offer the other side a proposal and not know what was in it-that is asinine.

  • Just Fire Baby

    You dont like Davis. You dont like our head coach or our starting qb, so your take means nothing to me.

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    Pretty indifferent on Al Davis. Kind of cool mystique, but mostly a crappy team he has provided me.

    Soup, I will learn to like him when he wins. Until than, he is a NFL vagabond QB.

    Hue I like. I liked Tom Cable and the 8-8 record he brought to us last year, but I never had anything against Hue. I anticipate he will move the offense in the right direction next year, just hope there is not a lot of on-the-job training, being that he had the same amount of HC experience at any level as Lane and Cable when they came aboard, and neither of them was ready.

  • Sully

    Ok.

    Lefty and preist, you guys are right. They should have known what was in the deal. I don’t see how that point refutes my argument in any way. In fact, there is no way it possibly could. So I’ll concede to it. I think it’s irrelevant, and it reeks of an ad-hominem attack against the players. But fair enough. You guys are entitled to your opinions about the union’s lack of organization. My point, however, doesn’t change. Not one player should vote on a contract they don’t agree with. Until they see a contract in front of them that they agree with, their vote should be “no”.

  • Just Fire Baby

    You dont like our head coach or our starting qb, so your take means nothing to me.

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    Funny, Mistic, but at times last year YOU WERE THE BIGGEST HATER Of OUR STARTING QB AND HC IN THE ENTIRE RAIDER NATION.

    Imposter.

  • lefty12

    Sully,have you watched any of the reporting.What is stopping the deal is there are some issues that need to be ironed out but they cannot be ironed out unless the players re-certify-it is labor laws-and the players don’t want to be rushed into re-certification.TURN ON NFLN.

  • priesttj

    Thanks Lefty12 Sully seems to have a bit of tunnel vision.

  • Just Fire Baby

    How do we or anybody else know why Al abstained?

    What if he wanted to abstain because he thought the rest of the owners capitulated too much towards the players?

    To think that he did so in some type of favortism towards players has no backing or proof.

    But the boot-lickers are sure lapping it up.

  • priesttj

    If recertify then that takes that one big step out of the equation and gets them closer to playing. They cqan take 2 weeks to hammer out a deal but what’s stopping them from recertifying???? Nothing!!!

  • hwnrdr

    393.lefty12 Says:
    July 22nd, 2011 at 12:50 pm
    Sully,have you watched any of the reporting.What is stopping the deal is there are some issues that need to be ironed out but they cannot be ironed out unless the players re-certify-it is labor laws-and the players don’t want to be rushed into re-certification.TURN ON NFLN.

    …And that is where that “we just want to play” staement comes into play. If you truly do, then you know what to do! I know it is not that easy, but…come on now!

  • Sully

    lol. My goodness. And just who owns NFLN, Lefty? You want me to only get my information on this lockout from a network owned and controlled, admittedly, but those who imposed the lockout?

  • YoungAmerican

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 am

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Chris Johnson and Cooper Carlisle were both cut. These would be risky moves in terms of having competent veteran depth, though

    ***

    YA,

    who is your starting corner opposite Routt?

    McFadden, Ware, DVD or Chekwa

    your starting guards would be Loper & BCamp *puke*

    ——————-

    Yep, I agree, it would be a bad move. It just wouldn’t surprise me, is all.

  • lefty12

    Sully,under your scenario there will never be an agreement because you cannot get something that every player will agree with,and to be honest that type of thinking is what has this whole country in the mess it is in.Compromise is a must.You have to accept some things you don’t like to get some of the things you want.That is why it is called ‘negotiations’.