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Report: Raiders lose Miller to Seahawks

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, August 2nd, 2011 at 2:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.

UPDATE: John Clayton now reporting Seahawks have confirmed signing Zach Miller.

ESPN reporter John Clayton is reporting the Seattle Seahawks have beaten out the Raiders for tight end Zach Miller.

No confirmation from Raiders or Seahawks . . . more details as they emerge.

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440 Responses to “Report: Raiders lose Miller to Seahawks”

  1. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    first

  2. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    Finally

  3. J Hill Says:

    Next man up!!!!

    Code Black 2011!!!!

  4. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Greg Papa is homer and he’s full of sh*t.

  5. RaidingTexas Says:

    Ouch. This is worse than losing Nnamdi by a long shot.

  6. Dakota Says:

    Well, now who is Campbell going to check down to?

  7. J Hill Says:

    Greg Papa is homer and he’s full of sh*t.

    —————————————————–

    Papa = Clarence 13X?

  8. KoolKell Says:

    SC Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Papa don’t know $*&%!
    —————————————-
    You can’t expect any Raider mouthpiece to be truthful, or honest. It’s ALL propaganda and spin, to make Al Davis look good in the media.

  9. Lynn from Snot Says:

    Now that Al Saunders is putting in some( greatest show on turf )schemes the tight end more of a blocker.

  10. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    Don Manoukian “Likes” Code Black 2011 on My Face!

  11. J Hill Says:

    Well, now who is Campbell going to check down to?

    —————————————————–

    I bet you Ausberry does more with his 3 catches a game than Miller ever did with his 4 catches a game.

  12. raiderjhawk Says:

    O-well, someone get Boss on the horn. He can block way better anyways.

  13. Dakota Says:

    Big step back this offseason. Hopefully Jackson and McFadden can dig us out of the hole Al has put us into.

  14. RaiderDuck Says:

    GET K-BOSS NOW!

    Oh, and great prognostication by Greg. /s

  15. RaidingTexas Says:

    I bet you Ausberry does more with his 3 catches a game than Miller ever did with his 4 catches a game.

    —————————

    Here come the sour grapes comments.

  16. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    I like all grapes.

  17. raiderjhawk Says:

    I still think we’ll be alright, the sky isn’t falling just yet… let’s just hope that these young cats step up this year.

  18. RaiderLen Says:

    Papa = Clarence 13X?
    ———————
    Hmmmm

  19. ELWAYs TEETH Says:

    Well…………………Doesn’t that just SUCK!

  20. Lynn from Snot Says:

    I’m a micro beer guy anyway, is there an IPA TE out there????

  21. Silverandblack666 Says:

    ”the seahawks are a joke. what the hell is he thinking????”

    He was thinking how can Al pay Wimbly and Routt 10M a year and not even give me a competitive offer!

  22. r8eray Says:

    Jerry…I know your not a Raider but I love the way your always on top of things!

    ;)

  23. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    I’ll be ok with losing Miller if we can get some other free agents like Boss and Floyd.

  24. Raiderbuck Says:

    Man that stinks

  25. RaidingTexas Says:

    The sky’s not falling. But when your receiving hopes now rest on Shilens, DHB, Ford, and Murphy, you might want to start looking around for cover.

  26. Dakota Says:

    Way to build off of the 8-8 record…..let your best DB leave and let your best pass catcher leave.

    At least we re-signed all those great run defenders though!

  27. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    Steve will be posting the samething in 20 mins.

  28. 89052RAIDER Says:

    Healthy Chaz and a vet WR AND EVERYTHING WILL BE JUST FINE.

  29. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Thanks Jerry. Steve must still be sleeping off last nights bender.

  30. Davy Jones Says:

    Let the Schadenfreude commence, haters.

  31. J Hill Says:

    How is rooting for a current Raider to do better than a former Raider sour grapes?

    Should I be celebrating Miller’s decision to leave our team for one that is worse? I guess you expect me to give him a thank you for your services type of send off?

    He was a BIG part of an offense that was widely regarded as one of the worst in the league for most of his tenure here.

    Pardon me for thinking the Raiders will be just fine without him. Just like we found Miller, we will find another TE.

    Next man up!

  32. 0ak_R8Dr89 Says:

    I don’t get it…I’m so confused right now…lol…what are we doing as an organization here

  33. LTR Says:

    Hate to lose Zach, but he has had his bell rung quite a few times.

  34. Raiderbuck Says:

    Yeah this was a terrible decision by management, They had their heads up their a $ $ es on this one

  35. John David Booty Says:

    David Ausberry to the rescue. Fight On!

  36. ELWAYs TEETH Says:

    Well at least we still have…uh…….ummm……..oh that’s right we don’t have anyone else that can actually catch the ball. But man do they run fast!

  37. Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:

    Raiders about to have a new Boss on the field…

    DHB about to get some evil looks his direction now that two fan favorites are now gone.

    Raider fan gonna be starring awfully hard at those that can’t carry their own weight….

  38. RaiderLen Says:

    He was thinking how can Al pay Wimbly and Routt 10M a year and not even give me a competitive offer!
    —————-
    Define competitive.

    2 offers?

    10?

    How many did He have?

    My guess is the 2 “competitive” offers came from Oak and the Segulls.

  39. LA to TheBay Says:

    Wow, great offseason so far.

  40. raiderdeek Says:

    I’m waiting for Zach Miller Agent’s tweet to say that John Clayton is full of crap. Please…please.

  41. inonewordraider Says:

    U AINT WITH US YOUR AGAINST US, RAIDER NATION

  42. John David Booty Says:

    ELWAYs TEETH Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Well at least we still have…uh…….ummm……..oh that’s right we don’t have anyone else that can actually catch the ball. But man do they run fast!
    _____________________________________________________
    Well, Ford can catch, but………..

  43. wasbanned Says:

    Raiders lose a big weapon. Should have never happened. Another display of poor GM ability by Al.

    Raiders are cap strapped and were not prepared for the new CBA.

    How do you build on sweeping division and going .500 for first time in years?

    1. Fire the HC
    2. Lose best defensive player
    3. Lose most productive offensive player

    MOVING BACKWARDS INSTEAD OF FORWARDS!

  44. John David Booty Says:

    Liked Zach Miller. More upset that Sapp was right about this than anything else.

  45. J Hill Says:

    Good for Miller and Nnamdi that they were able to take advantage of their free agency and do what is best for them and their families.

    No hard feelings.

    The Raiders will move on and be fine without them.

  46. inonewordraider Says:

    al tendered him a 1st and a 3rd restructured Wimbleys contract so the guy got offered big money and that wasn’t even so f him

  47. Raiderbuck Says:

    We loose our best two players – way to go guys!

  48. Dakota Says:

    Next man up?

    Are we that deep after going something like 15-187 the past 8 years?

  49. RaidingTexas Says:

    “Healthy Chaz”

    LMAO

  50. raiderjhawk Says:

    Well put JHIll, I’m with you.

    Now someone get KBoss on the phone, I would pry get a Raiders jersey that said Boss on the back… BALLIN’!

  51. PA-RAIDER Says:

    Next man up!!! Hugh makes the receiver anyways. Scheme on Coach Jackson!!!!!

  52. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    This is all Jamarcus’ fault.

  53. DKnight007 Says:

    26.Dakota Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:26 pm
    Way to build off of the 8-8 record…..let your best DB leave and let your best pass catcher leave.

    At least we re-signed all those great run defenders though!

    ^^^^^^^^
    Unreal! What a joke this is!

  54. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Seahawks confirm. It’s all over.

  55. RaiderLen Says:

    I’ll be very interested to read the terms of Millers new contract.

    That should help explain a few things.

  56. Davy Jones Says:

    This is good news.

    I mean, there is a large segment of this community (seemingly, at least- just how many IDs does MR have?) that is never happier than when they have a reason to criticize Al Davis.

    So have at it boys! This is what Raider “fandom” means to you, and the loss of Miller is certainly a big loss for our beloved Raiders.

  57. raiderjhawk Says:

    Vittario Tafur (sp?) Just said that Boss has been watching the Raiders TE situation very closely…

  58. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Boss + Ausberry will be better than Miller.

  59. wasbanned Says:

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    This is all Jamarcus’ fault.
    ……

    No doubt. That f’ker set the team back years, but Al has really shown poor ability in the GM department.

    He really needs to bring someone in. This is ridiculous.

  60. 89052RAIDER Says:

    Wasbanned.

    Cable was a horrible HC and not a leader.. Jackson is a huge upgrade. Quit over-reacting like a member of a knitting circle.

  61. Dakota Says:

    Considering how much the roster has been weakened this offseason, and how much more difficult the schedule is….if Hue Jackson manages to get us to 7-9 it will be 3 times the coaching job Tom Cable did last year.

  62. DKnight007 Says:

    45.J Hill Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:30 pm
    Good for Miller and Nnamdi that they were able to take advantage of their free agency and do what is best for them and their families.

    No hard feelings.

    The Raiders will move on and be fine without them.

    ^^^^^^^
    Yeah, it’s that simple huh? hahaha

  63. wolff Says:

    4-12 next year

  64. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    The cap problems just confirm that Al needs help in the front office.

  65. Kirk Says:

    It’s time to switch Bruce Campbell to tight end.

    I am not kidding.

  66. kidseven Says:

    Our best two players? Um…that’s a bit of a stretch. Miller is a decent TE that had better stats that he should have because our QBs have been utterly inept getting the ball to the WRs. I’d be FAR more concerned if we lost Ford, DMAC or any of a dozen other players.

    I’d have welcomed him back, but this isn’t an earth-shaking loss.

  67. LA to TheBay Says:

    This will make our Super Bowl victory in February that much sweeter.

  68. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:

    I can’t wait to see Miller on the IR after week 4.

    Al will look like the genius he is.

    Go Raiders!

  69. Silverandblack666 Says:

    “RaiderLen”

    Since you cant figure it out for yourself I can spell it out for you.

    If Miller would have got the kind of money he wanted from AD he never would have got on a plane to Seattle. He saw Routt and Wimbly get huge deal (Overpaid) where was his deal?

    Does that help you out there little guy?

  70. cwood98 Says:

    lets get some predictions…….who lines up at starting tight end thursday??

  71. 89052RAIDER Says:

    Miller will have fun with T Jackson throwing grounders too him.

  72. DKnight007 Says:

    The Raiders just lost their best receiver, because of stupidity by old man Al and his “management” team!!

    Look for the Raiders to regress this years 8-8 record unless they get a WR like Floyd or Edwards and get Boss.

    Otherwise, we may have a shot at Luck or Barkley next year in the draft!

  73. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Lechler may find himself playing in Cincinatti if he doesn’t watch his back.

  74. raiderjhawk Says:

    Kirk Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    It’s time to switch Bruce Campbell to tight end.

    I am not kidding.
    ===============================================
    F that, move Marcel Reese to TE and move Bruce Campbell to FB.

  75. inonewordraider Says:

    I would MUCH rather have BOSS who actually would be happy to play here. We can sign Boss who can block from what everyones saying and still have $ for a WR G or Lofa I’m telling you

  76. Raiderbuck Says:

    Miller was the number one receiver for the Raiders, what else is there? The ineptitude at getting the ball the WR only shows he was that important.

  77. r8eray Says:

    I could already here the chants at the coliseum
    “BOSS, BOSS, BOSS!!”

    And Pappa in the background…
    “TOUCHDOOOWWWWNNN RRAAIIIDDDEERRRSSS!!!!”

  78. SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:

    Damn, this was an unexpected blow…Miller was our guy, but we’ll make due. What I’m pissed about is I’m sure we could’ve kept Asomugha now with the money we were gonna offer Miller in combo with other funds. But no since in crying over spilled milk.

    Ausberry is full of potential and hopefully he can make some plays if given the chance. Miller was our best set of hands though so it’s a lot to live up to. He definitely got my “stickys of the year” award for our squad the past couple years. Schilens is the front-runner for this year’s if he can stay healthy.

  79. Dakota Says:

    66.kidseven Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:35 pm
    Our best two players? Um…that’s a bit of a stretch. Miller is a decent TE that had better stats that he should have because our QBs have been utterly inept getting the ball to the WRs. I’d be FAR more concerned if we lost Ford, DMAC or any of a dozen other players.

    I’d have welcomed him back, but this isn’t an earth-shaking loss.
    ++++++++++++

    So as you point out the WRs can’t get the ball, and now our pass catching TE is gone…..who exactly will be catching balls this year?

    If we don’t sign Boss or Scaife we have taken a major blow to the offense.

  80. inonewordraider Says:

    We’re winnning the division one way or the other

  81. DKnight007 Says:

    The Raiders just lost their best receiver, because of stupidity by old man Al and his “management” team!!

    Look for the Raiders to regress this years 8-8 record unless they get a WR like Floyd or Edwards and get Boss.

    Otherwise, we may have a shot at Luck or Barkley next year in the draft!!

    Unreal!

  82. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
    Where Raiders blew it with Zach Miller _ relying on 1st-3rd tender, hoping he would be an RFA, and not signing him before the lockout.
    2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

  83. wasbanned Says:

    from twitter…

    cottovic Victor Cotto
    W/new coach new 2ndary no reliability @ WR/TE unit a shaky OL w/ just young options that are not seasoned OAK looks every part of 5 win team

  84. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
    Where Raiders blew it with Zach Miller _ relying on 1st-3rd tender, hoping he would be an RFA, and not signing him before the lockout.
    2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
    ——————-
    This isn’t all Al’s fault. With the old rules, Miller would still be restricted like Bush.

  85. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:

    If people want to piss and moan about the loss of the favorite players I can’t really fault them.

    But please stop crying about how tough our schedule is.

    This is the NFL. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best.

    Grow a pair.

    Go RAIDERS!

  86. 89052RAIDER Says:

    Season is weeks away..Much can happen.

  87. ELWAYs TEETH Says:

    Well good for the SuckHawks and good for that fat wife beatin’ coach of theirs. It won’t help them much and Cable’s feelings of getting over on the Al won’t last any longer than his tenure here did. They still won’t win anything (other than their two games against the whiners) and Cable will be looking for a new job soon. I hear there will be a 3 Stooges movie filming soon, maybe he can get a role in that. Hasta La Crotch Zach, enjoy being a SuckHawk!

  88. BabySlash Says:

    I’ll be happy with Boss.

    Zach’s coconut is rocked anyway.

    One hit away from going down. If he’d rather be a Seahawk that is fine. Join Cable and Gallery the two losers and pick up some hooks.

  89. raiderdeek Says:

    72.DKnight007 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:36 pm
    The Raiders just lost their best receiver, because of stupidity by old man Al and his “management” team!!

    Look for the Raiders to regress this years 8-8 record unless they get a WR like Floyd or Edwards and get Boss.

    Otherwise, we may have a shot at Luck or Barkley next year in the draft!
    ——–
    Couldn’t agree more…also, why did they take so long to get a long-term contract with Wimbley…you have to imagine Zach was being patient for too long and got sick of it and then went to visit Seattle. Well, I guess we are left with starting Meyers or signing Kevin Boss, Bo Scaife or Donald Lee. Still think signing Derrick Mason is a good idea…he’ll probably be cheap, veteran receiver and Jackson knows him well.

  90. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
    Here’s the Zach Miller contract with the Seahawks: 5 years, $34 million, including $17 million guaranteed.

  91. JLofty Says:

    Awwwwwww cr@p!!!!!!!!!!!!

  92. DKnight007 Says:

    Let the blackouts continue….I’m gonna puke!

  93. wasbanned Says:

    RaiderMight RaiderMight
    RT @AdamSchefter: Here’s the Zach Miller contract with the Seahawks: 5 years, $34 million, including $17 million guaranteed.

  94. JLofty Says:

    I wouldn’t have given Zach $34 million. Sorry Zach, love ya buddy but he’s two concussions away from retirement.
    Give some money to Malcom Floyd!

  95. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Oakland Live……yep….coliseum area bout to be renovated….

  96. emil4423 Says:

    dude must have gotten paid sum serious $ no way seagulls are better than raiders

  97. plataynegro Says:

    This will force Campbell to get the WRs more involved. It’s a step back and there will be growing pains, I don’t think it costs us 4 wins!

  98. KoolKell Says:

    They guaranteed Routt 20 million, Wimbley 29 million.

  99. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    They bout to renovate area….Raiders going nowhere!

  100. BabySlash Says:

    Money talks for players. All the guys who are staying are robbing us with unreal contracts. Zach proves that money is number one for him. He will not have big success with Travaris Jackson as QB! He dicked himself.

  101. 89052RAIDER Says:

    We better hope DHB’s yeast infection responds to monistat so he resume his role as #1 receiver. I think something is going on with him.. released or restructured, at the least.

  102. raiderjhawk Says:

    PGutierrezCSN Paul Gutierrez
    Former #NYGiants TE @KevinBossman has already shown interest in #Raiders and @Raiders high on rookie Richard Gordon

    From Twitter.

  103. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:

    4 wins???? Thanks for the chuckle.

  104. wasbanned Says:

    PGutierrezCSN Paul Gutierrez
    Al Davis HAD to know there was a possibility 4th-year players would be classified as UFA’s right? And still did not franchise @ZachMiller80
    …….

    HIRE A GM!

  105. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Kell shut the fk up

  106. raiderjhawk Says:

    Yep, way too much to pay egghead Miller.

    DHB’s yeast infection… hahahaha… classic!

  107. Dakota Says:

    Hey, you overpay for average talent year in and year out it will eventually catch up with you, and this was the year where we lost two of our best home grown players we have had in a long long time.

    You can’t have a top five payroll every year while constantly renegotiating deals to sign more bad deals and throwing money into the future without it haunting you eventually.

    No way in hell does the talent accumulated on this team justify us being anywhere near the salary cap threshold.

  108. Kirk Says:

    No big deal. Miller can be replaced.

    We need to sign Bush. He is a big deal.

  109. RaiderLen Says:

    Does that help you out there little guy?
    ——————————-
    How Many offers did your man crush have genius?

    I’m guessing 2.

    Zach took the Larger $$$$$ as is his right.

    You’re welcome.

  110. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    bgradkowski5 Bruce Gradkowski
    Congrats to @zachmiller80 he deserves it!
    1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply
    ————————–
    F*ck you Gradkowski, you pathetic piece of sh*t. You should repairing cars in a garage somewhere. You have no business playing on an NFL field. Go suck Cables balls some more you fuking retard.

  111. Raiderbuck Says:

    When I own the Raiders, I’m gonna make much different decisions,….just sayin’ :)

  112. 89052RAIDER Says:

    Zach should have been taken care of before Wimbley. I do not thing he tag was well utilized and Zach should have been a higher priority. Perhaps, they there is a FA signing in the chamer.

  113. emil4423 Says:

    c’mon al we gotta sign boss, floyd, carlos rodgers… idk sum one dont we have some room since wimbley re-signed and freed cap space????

  114. BabySlash Says:

    No way he was worth almost 7 mil a year. Get out of here with that garbage.

  115. raiderinparadise Says:

    AL DAVIS IS DONE. DONE, DONE, DONE, IF ROUTT AND WIMBLEY AREN’T PRO-BOWLERS HE CAN’T KEEP FIRING COACHES WHEN ITS ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL HIS FAULT, HE SHOULD BE THE COACH THEN. WHATTA JOKE. ALL YOU LOSER RAIDER FANS THAT PAINT YOUR FACE AND LOVE AL DAVIS, YOUR A JOKE TOO.

  116. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Oakland Live is going down and yall cryin bout zach lol

  117. DeuceDeuce Says:

    BYE!!!!

    Bring in the Big Boss Man…

  118. raiderjhawk Says:

    have you guys seen The Boss’s wife? Reason enough to bring him on… She is fine!

  119. inonewordraider Says:

    All the fans on Zachs sack need to root for the Seahawks

  120. LTR Says:

    If Al paid 34M for 5 yrs, lots of folks would be saying we overpaid again. Zach took the money and ran. Good luck in Seattle. We’ll find another option.

  121. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Zach is a TE…7 mil? well routt got paid lol

  122. plataynegro Says:

    Laugh at me if you want, but I’d rather have Wimbley than Miller! Glad they franchised Kam and not Zach. Not sour grapes, just our scheme doesn’t call for elite TE but we don’t blitz much and Kam can get that QB with hand on the ground!

  123. KoolKell Says:

    Dakota Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Hey, you overpay for average talent year in and year out it will eventually catch up with you, and this was the year where we lost two of our best home grown players we have had in a long long time.

    You can’t have a top five payroll every year while constantly renegotiating deals to sign more bad deals and throwing money into the future without it haunting you eventually.

    No way in hell does the talent accumulated on this team justify us being anywhere near the salary cap threshold.
    —————————————-
    I was trying to articulate the same thought. Thanks.

    To the people who say who cares how much is paid, as long as we get under the salary cap. (Young American)

  124. emil4423 Says:

    since losing asmougha and miller we get a comp pick??

  125. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Jhawk lmao!

  126. inonewordraider Says:

    whoever tweets hit the bossman up show him some Nation love, all kinds of giants fans hittin him up to stay in NYG, we gotta make him feel wanted, I can’t at work

  127. Raiderbuck Says:

    And they wonder how come we can’t score any points,… well DUH!

  128. BabySlash Says:

    DHB should restructure his contract to an incentive based deal. He is stealing.

    Dakota is right. The problem is that we have all these dead weight contracts on our hands.

    But Zach is also greedy.

  129. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    I can’t wait till “Whose the Boss?” becomes a Raider catch phrase.

  130. CRACKRAIDER Says:

    Vittorio Tafur: Boss said on Sirius radio he wants to come to #raiders. Miller Underrated blocker, So tiny edge to boss there; no camparison catching ball
    TWITTER

  131. ambase9 Says:

    the only thing al is looking for is a new stadium
    way to go idiot

    im sure Hue is now questioning “what did I do to deserve this?

  132. severeraiderz Says:

    Dknight

    Lmaooooo Miller is overrated as a player a marginal blocker and any TE in this system with 4 sub 4.4 40 receivers around them will put up pretty good numbers. Remember how impressed everyone was with Myers, Jerry was praising the Raiders for their ability to find good TEs. Miller was supposed to be the next Casper but the only casper he resembled was the friendly ghost because he disappeared in the red zone. Look what a guy like Cooley was able to do in DC, Reece and Ausberry could easily get those catches and play the H-back/receiving TE role. Al Saunders will make it work, apparently Zach didn’t wanna be here and I don’t care that he’s gone

  133. Kirk Says:

    Raiderjhawk says…

    move Marcel Reese to TE and move Bruce Campbell to FB.

    ……………….

    I think you might be right.

  134. wasbanned Says:

    cottovic Victor Cotto
    @
    @VittorioTafur Boss is an adequate TE. But in no way is he a replacement for Miller. Especially when Raider targets are very weak at TE/WR

  135. Silverandblack666 Says:

    “How Many offers did your man crush have genius?

    I’m guessing 2.

    Zach took the Larger $$$$$ as is his right.

    You’re welcome.”

    I don’t have a man crush on any player I was making comments about the GM and the job he is doing.

    How many offers did Wimbly get…..how many offers did Routt get.

    Wake up you sycophant and smell the coffee, if Miller would have got the offer he wanted from our GM he would have never got on a plane to Seattle. That has been my point all along so stick with the topic here instead of babbling off topic to appease your own lopsided opinions.

  136. BabySlash Says:

    Maybe they move Reece back to TE and sign a FB who is a power blocker, then sign a blocking TE and move Reece to FB in certain situations.

  137. raiderinparadise Says:

    BOSS? Not even worth whatever his contract would be, I would rather let Ausberry and Gordon go out there, maybe even Reece at times and save the $$$$. Spend it on Kirk Morrsion and Bush and Braylon or Steve Smith.

  138. DKnight007 Says:

    Great moves so far by old looney man Al and his “management” team.

    They like overpaying for crap players (Jamarcus, Hall, Walker, DHB) but they can’t pay money to good homegrown talent??

    Weeeeeirdoooooos!

  139. silkwho Says:

    Whos is Zach Miller and # 21’s agent? they have the same agent! That will tell you the part of the story!

  140. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:

    If Al wanted Zach to be a Raider he would be.

    Go Raiders!

  141. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Quit saying Miller is overrated. He is one of the best pass catching tight ends in the league. If he had had a QB all these years, he would have put up huge numbers. It will hurt losing him, but we will be fine. Hopefully Al will use the money to get some more help.

  142. Seymour Bush Says:

    I don’t think Tom Cable did anything just to “screw” Al, but obviously, all prior individuals with affiliations to their teams are asked if any of the available players are worth pursuing. You guys might not like Gallery and Zach, but can assure you the league does. I am sure Cable had something to do with that. Why do you think Kyle Boller is here? (see Huge Action, QB Coach, Ravens 2009)

  143. Silverandblack666 Says:

    “Hey, you overpay for average talent year in and year out it will eventually catch up with you, and this was the year where we lost two of our best home grown players we have had in a long long time.

    You can’t have a top five payroll every year while constantly renegotiating deals to sign more bad deals and throwing money into the future without it haunting you eventually.”

    Great post Dakota!

  144. raiderjhawk Says:

    VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
    Boss said on Sirius radio he wants to come to #Raiders. Miller underrated blocker, so tiny edge to Boss there; no comparison catching ball

    I wouldn’t give the edge to Miller over boss on blocking. Would you guys? And what does he mean no comparison catching ball? who is he saying catches the ball better. I think they both have great hands plus the Big Bossman is bigger.

  145. St. Louis Raider Says:

    Come on guys, seriously. Miller is gone for 5 years 35 mill 17 guaranteed. No way we need that for 5 TD’s a year. Pass catching TE’s are all over the place for half that if not less. It’s all about scheme – as long as they have good hands and can find open space in defenses, they are all damn near equal outside of Witten and Gates. ZM was a good Raider but it’s time to move on — Zach didn’t win us 1 game single handed. Damn.

  146. BabySlash Says:

    We bluffed by hoping we could hold out and hope that Zach was restricted FA. We got dicked and our bluff got called.

    Zach’s eggshell head is going to split open like a watermelon anyway. So let’s save the 34 mil.

  147. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Here’s the Zach Miller contract with the Seahawks: 5 years, $34 million, including $17 million guaranteed.

    ***

    BCZ and I were right on the money. Literally.

    predicted between $6 & $7 million per season

  148. icecube Says:

    In Al We Trust..
    Next man Up!

  149. Ryan Says:

    I think Zach pissed Al off when he didn’t abstain from the CBA vote.

  150. inonewordraider Says:

    Gallery on Cable sack cuz he revived his bust status career now Zach is giving him a reach around too. Cable the great talent evaluator probably in Carrolls ear to get Kwame Harris

  151. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Boss and Miller had the same amount of TDs last season.

  152. Dakota Says:

    So the news out of Raiders HQ is that we “like Richard Gordon”?

    You mean we are replacing a pro bowl TE with a guy who in 49 games in college had 10 receptions for 60 yards?

    I am excited!

  153. raiderdeek Says:

    108.Kirk Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:45 pm
    No big deal. Miller can be replaced.

    We need to sign Bush. He is a big deal.

    ————
    Good point. Now we have more $ for Bush’s contract….we definitely need to keep him for the change of pace to DmAc.

  154. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:

    I don’t blame Zach. Zach knows all too well he is a couple of concussions away from early retirement.

    So did Al.

    Go Raiders!

  155. severeraiderz Says:

    As for Nnamndi

    No QB would throw at Asomugha and they would move their #1 WRs knowing that Asomugha wouldn’t follow them. He didn’t lockdown half the field, he locked down 1 receiver. Same guys that were getting thrown at before will be getting thrown at now because their were so few passes throne at Nnamdi anyway. A great pass rush is much more important than 1 lock down corner and that’s why it was more important to sign Seymour and Wimbley than it was to sign asomugha.

  156. morilla Says:

    What a horrible handling of the business so far during this free agency. I mean, I haven’t seen anything like this in a long time. Granted we didnt need a whole lot but there were some we couldnt lose. Something is definitely wrong, what it is I have no clue.

    Granted I dint think Zachary is worth that much. Not yet.

    Well Al, you have some $ to spend now. You better go and grab somebody that can produce because right now you look like a joke.

  157. BabySlash Says:

    fuk Zach and Nnamdi and anybody else who dumps a steamer on Raider Nation.

    CODE BLACK….hæ hæ

  158. LA to TheBay Says:

    Can’t fault Zach or Nnamdi. I mean you can’t. Nnam got his walking papers, never even got an offer from the Raiders. He did decline to be traded last year (or year before?) when we coulda gotten a first but in light of the fact Oakland never made a serious offer…..

    We went hard at Zach, but he followed his buddy Cable.

    Fine.

    Obviously, you wished they showed some loyalty, but this is a management issue, not an problem with these two guys specifically, despite having the best season last year they have ever been apart of.

    We overpay everyone else on the squad. They felt why not them? Our two biggest offseason priorities and we let them go.

    The good news is:

    1) F)(&** ‘em, they’re not Raiders anymore

    2) Opposing QBs won’t just throw everywhere but the right side now and we have better coaching in secondary.

    3) We got a young kid in camp playing well we’re excited about and a guy almost as good as Zach has expressed interest in us and would come for less money.

    I’m p;ssed but but I honestly don’t think the sky is falling quite so hard this time.

  159. bcz24 Says:

    We can get Boss for half of Millers contract. Miller is a better receiver but not dramatically so, and Boss is definitely a better blocker. Relax folks… Al MAY have actually made a smart decision for once.

    That said, if we dont sign Boss or a top WR then this is just silly.

  160. Seymour Bush Says:

    Losing Miller is going to hurt. Hate to say.

  161. raiderinparadise Says:

    Myers, Ausberry and Gordon at TE, I’m more than fine with that. AL DAVIS would pay Kevin Boss 68 million 31 guaranteed anyways.

  162. RaiderLen Says:

    Wake up you sycophant and smell the coffee, if Miller would have got the offer he wanted from our GM he would have never got on a plane to Seattle. That has been my point all along so stick with the topic here instead of babbling off topic to appease your own lopsided opinions.
    ——————-
    Well Well Well

    Z didn’t get what he wanted from AL. Sounds to me AL made a Value decision.

    You’re welcome.

    What big words you use!

  163. raiderdeek Says:

    I like Greg Papa…but damn you greg papa…you got my hopes up.

  164. 89052RAIDER Says:

    The WR’s need to step up before the Raiders become contenders, so that group will have to evolve for improvement on 8-8. Zach Miller was the team’s number one option but that is not a formula for making the playoffs, eventually we will need a wr to emerge and get us 70 grabs. If that happens the miller loss is hardly noticed and a young TE learn on the job.

  165. Dakota Says:

    148.icecube Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    In Al We Trust..
    Next man Up!
    ++++++++++++++++++

    Herrera, get off this blog and go change Al’s diaper or something.

  166. RaiderRockstar Says:

    Tom Cable gone as Head Coach started the freefall from 8-8 “grace”

    Gradkowski & Howard – Cincy
    Asomugha & Higgins – Philly
    Gallery & Miller – Seattle

    Satele, Henderson, Walker, Frye & R. Brown still available in FA …

  167. plataynegro Says:

    Too rich for a TE! His 50rec and 700yds and 3tds per year are nice, but use that $ on Bush and o-line help.

  168. raiderinparadise Says:

    Those lobbying for Boss are stupid. Ausberry had 2 nice blocks in practice and has WR speed. Myers is a good blocker and Gordon who knows. Save money. We need to use that freed up cap room for Bush and then bring back Kirk Morrison or Tatupu, someone to replace quentin groves. Groves is awful.

  169. hendu Says:

    Miller took the cash from the seahawks and moved up the coast,so WHAT!They will sign someone else,start talkin about that and STOP CRYIN!He didnt want to be here ever since Barney Rubble left,goodbye,next Raider up?

  170. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
    Rookie Ausberry had 2 nice blocks yesterday and the converted WR is fast; #Raiders could save money and go with Myers/Ausberry/Gordon at TE

  171. RaiderLen Says:

    Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:56 pm
    I don’t blame Zach. Zach knows all too well he is a couple of concussions away from early retirement.

    So did Al.

    Go Raiders!

    ———————
    LMFAO!

    That has to be factored into a decision with the new awareness and $$$$ involved.

  172. BabySlash Says:

    Morilla..what is wrong is that we have a bunch of overpaid players who don’t perform up to their paychecks and are trapped in a quagmire of “debt”. Just like the USA.

    Funny how the country is going down and a bunch of rich cats are only trying to get richer while normal folks are going belly up.

    Everything is a fight these days, NFL and NBA lockouts, and the government playing games while the whole place is going down in flames.

    Where is the realism and sense in what is going on. Humility is a lost art.

  173. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Oakland Live…..who cares if Zach left?

  174. rodsdays Says:

    Valiendo VEEEEEEEEEEEERGA! which is the spanish version of “Eating cock”

    Huge Huge blow for our team, never minded Nnamdi departing but knew and thought we couldn’t and wouldn’t lose Miller. Don’t think Ausberry was drafted thinking he’d replace Miller, not sure anybody has a plan B if Miller left, don’t think Boss is the answer.

    Always liked Miller as a player and person but he can go f*ck himself using Seattle’s space needle.

    Just my thoughts

  175. KoolKell Says:

    I remember when Lane Kiffin was coach, and a lot of people here were saying “I’m in”. Now it’s “Next Man Up”

    I get it, hope springs eternal this time of year.

    But never forget, Al can fk things up in a NY second.

    Our only hope is that the HueJax/Davis relationship doesn’t spoil. He better win Monday Nite!!!!

  176. 408RAIDER Says:

    Next man up! and can we please sign Bush now! Pound the Bush!

  177. SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:

    RIP…agreed. Bush, a LB, and someone please to replace Mr. Carlisle…PLEASE

  178. raiderjhawk Says:

    anels80 Raiderjhawk
    @KevinBossman The @Raiders_Nation wants you my man! Bring yo’ ass to Oakland so we can dominate!

    I just sent KBoss some love via Twitter, not that he’ll see it anyways but at least I tried.

  179. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Yes Groves is awful

  180. bcz24 Says:

    You mean we are replacing a pro bowl TE with a guy who in 49 games in college had 10 receptions for 60 yards?
    *************
    Being the 4th alternate hardly qualifies as a ‘pro bowler’ wouldnt be considered if not for injuries to Gates and Clark, and in the NFC Whitten and Davis will beat him out too…

  181. r8eray Says:

    408RAIDER Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:02 pm
    Next man up! and can we please sign Bush now! Pound the Bush!

    I guess its better than saying “trim the Bush!”

    ;)

  182. Dakota Says:

    Hmmmm do we re-sign Zach Miller, a pro bowl player or do we re-sign Michael Huff, who can barely cover and never takes good angles on tackles? And only makes plays in a contract year…..

    I guess it is Huff!

  183. dvrick Says:

    I told you guys this last night and you guys called me a LIAR!!!Looks like big papa is as dumb as the rest of you raider fans.Like I said nobody wants to be a Raider and the first chance they get — GONE!Just like TITAN players.GO SEAHAWKS!!!!

  184. RaiderDuck Says:

    Raiderjhawk Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    anels80 Raiderjhawk
    @KevinBossman The @Raiders_Nation wants you my man! Bring yo’ ass to Oakland so we can dominate!

    I just sent KBoss some love via Twitter, not that he’ll see it anyways but at least I tried.

    =============================================

    Same here:

    @KevinBossman Please come to Oakland! Raider Nation wants and needs you!

  185. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Kell shut yo old btch ass up….go and die already I bet ur wife cant wait

  186. BabySlash Says:

    It seems there is a trend that the Union Reps for many teams are GONE from their teams. Somebody do some research on that.

  187. raiderjhawk Says:

    raiderinparadise Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Those lobbying for Boss are stupid. Ausberry had 2 nice blocks in practice and has WR speed. Myers is a good blocker and Gordon who knows. Save money. We need to use that freed up cap room for Bush and then bring back Kirk Morrison or Tatupu, someone to replace quentin groves. Groves is awful.
    ——————————————————-
    wow dude, are you even a raiders fan? So Raiders fans are stupid because we want Boss? Earlier you were saying raider fans who paint their faces and like Al Davis are dumb, go root for the Whiners or seacocks you F**k.

  188. inonewordraider Says:

    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    Raiderjhawk Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    anels80 Raiderjhawk
    @KevinBossman The @Raiders_Nation wants you my man! Bring yo’ ass to Oakland so we can dominate!

    I just sent KBoss some love via Twitter, not that he’ll see it anyways but at least I tried.

    =============================================

    Same here:

    @KevinBossman Please come to Oakland! Raider Nation wants and needs you!

    Hell yea baby, nation doing it’s part! You know it matters to these cats, they respond

  189. kokomo Says:

    Already numerous articles and tweets about how Raiders will revert back to their losing ways because Miller leaves for Seattle. This is so hilarious and ridiculous.. I mean Miller is a big loss but I do think this team is a lot better than depend on one TE..

  190. severeraiderz Says:

    ABP

    Zach is the TE version of Fargas, marginal talent, good IQ, harder worker, good between the 20’s, useless in the red zone. If the Raiders had a better Wr corps Zach wouldn’t have all the meaningless yards with no scores that he had.

    Stl,
    Preach my brotha, pass catching TEs are a dime a dozen. Al Saunders has made it work with less talent than what we have here. When u have 4 WRs with incredible deep speed there are going to be wide gaps over the middle between the safety and the LBs.

  191. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Yeah go seacawks….33-3 ring a bell? How about alltime vs raiders u are inferior? Where are ur titles?

  192. RaiderRetribution Says:

    use that money to sign pro-bowl Waters OG.

  193. bcz24 Says:

    Not worried about Bush. We offered him the first and third tender, and if he holds out he wont get the accrued year for free agency and we can tender him again next year. Bush is locked up for now.

  194. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Everyone just up and dismisses Al Saunders gameplanning and affect on this year’s offense

  195. BabySlash Says:

    Sign Bush and a good LB and some OL help.

    Roll with the TE*s we have unless Boss comes cheap.

  196. icecube Says:

    sure are alot of 1/2@ssed “fans” here..
    Nnamdi, Zach loved when u before but don’t let the door hit you on your way out..
    Next man up!
    RAIDERS!!

  197. CuzImaRaider Says:

    Awesome, good riddance Miller you biatch, here’s to you missing 5 games next year with concussions after Patrick Willis busts your dome open. Now we just need to trade that Maphuckin lechler to Seattle and we can get Cables little posse the F outta the bay!!

    Here’s to Taiwan being our new Player Rep!

  198. Scottish Raider Says:

    We couldn’t afford what Miller wanted. Fact. Too much cap invested elsewhere – no way could we commit $7m a year to a TE.

    Myers, Gordon and Ausberry will be okay – tempting to add a proven vet like Boss for a year but I wouldn’t panic. Our season did not depend on Z Miller.

    And we could usefully spend the money elsewhere.

  199. Silverandblack666 Says:

    “Z didn’t get what he wanted from AL. Sounds to me AL made a Value decision.

    You’re welcome.

    What big words you use!”

    Dude you attacked me and said I had a man crush on Miller because I was talking about our GM and his ability to sign or not sign players. I was also complaining about overpaying guys, it had nothing to do with me wanting to keep Miller or not.

    I am upset about losing Miller and Nnamdi yes but if we were not overpaying Wimbly and Routt we could have brought in some good free agents.

  200. bcz24 Says:

    My buddy (a dolphins fan) just told me how stupid we are because Miller is easily as good as Dallas Clark… I told him to stay focused on South Beach where his guys are BEGGING for a mediocre QB to come rescue them.

  201. raiderjhawk Says:

    Does Asaunte Samuel have anything left in the tank?

  202. J Hill Says:

    Boss had the same 5 TDs that Miller had last year.

    Even avg 4 more yds per catch.

    Had 30 less catches though, but that’s what happens when you have an offense that throws the ball to the WRs instead of the TE.

    I think Boss would be a fine pickup and we wouldn’t have to pay him anywhere near what we would have to to pay to trump Seattle’s offer.

    With that said, let’s see what the rookies can do in the first pre season game.

    After all, we’re just trying to replace 4 catches for 40 yds per game.

  203. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Bcz….we got a few chumpps in our midst…..Zach aint apart of CODE BLACK….we dont need ya….u need us

  204. Dakota Says:

    Bcz24,

    Yes Bush is locked up for 2011, but the trend here seems to be that Al Davis can’t lock up his home grown talent.

    What is the deal? Maybe the players have tired of the constant HC changes and losing? I don’t know, but whatever it is I would feel better if we locked Bush up long-term this season instead of letting him play for his tender and risk him leaving next year.

  205. BabySlash Says:

    What up with Clarence and Papa going big and coughing up a huge furball?

  206. dvrick Says:

    YO 21, obviously the Raiders are the joke!LMAO How many players did you lose and how many to the Seahawks?Enjoy the cellar!! LMAO again!

  207. Lynn from Snot Says:

    PGutierrezCSN Paul Gutierrez
    Just got off phone w/Zach Miller, says fair to say Cable was “tipping point” in decision, which was not about money

  208. RaiderRetribution Says:

    sign a vet wr, Floyd is still out there.

    I’m not that concerned about losing Zach never have been, as I have stated before Raiders will go as far as Mr. Jason Campbell takes us; which means how well he connects with our WRs.

    front line that would make DMC & Bush happy:

    VehldeerLoperWisniewskiCarsileBarksdaleBarnes(as TE)

  209. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Severeraiderz Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:06 pm
    ABP

    Zach is the TE version of Fargas, marginal talent, good IQ, harder worker, good between the 20’s, useless in the red zone. If the Raiders had a better Wr corps Zach wouldn’t have all the meaningless yards with no scores that he had.
    —————–
    Yeah, but he was the only on the team who could be relied on to catch the damn ball.

  210. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Raiders lose Miller to Seahawks…So much for Greg Papa and his inside info… convert DHB into TE!

  211. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Yall worryin about a damn TE….LOL U FUNNY AS HELL

  212. CuzImaRaider Says:

    J Hill Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    Boss had the same 5 TDs that Miller had last year.

    Even avg 4 more yds per catch.

    Had 30 less catches though, but that’s what happens when you have an offense that throws the ball to the WRs instead of the TE.

    I think Boss would be a fine pickup and we wouldn’t have to pay him anywhere near what we would have to to pay to trump Seattle’s offer.

    With that said, let’s see what the rookies can do in the first pre season game.

    After all, we’re just trying to replace 4 catches for 40 yds per game.

    ——————————————————-

    Right on, next man up, or bring in boss!

  213. DeuceDeuce Says:

    raiderjhawk Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    Does Asaunte Samuel have anything left in the tank?

    Not enough to play man coverage for the Raiders.

  214. raiderzmaverick Says:

    God, this pisses me off. We really do need to sign a proven TE.
    Actually what pisses me off even worse is that we sign Routt and don’t even offer Nnamdi a contract when we could’ve had him for 1 mil more a year!

    I don’t think they’re even in the same ball park as far as how good of players they are. Routt gets BURNED way too often. Just look at practice notes and blogs and Routt is on the receiving end of WR plays too much.

    The biggest thing that pisses me off is overpaying and rewarding mediocre players Al wants to keep and not signing players who are actually consistently performing.

    Probably our two most consistent productive players over the past few years are now gone and we give Routt (who was back-up material every year until last when he was above average) a HUGE contract and make him paid like one of the top 4 CBs in the league when he won’t even sniff the probowl ever.

  215. Dakota Says:

    201.raiderjhawk Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    Does Asaunte Samuel have anything left in the tank?
    ++++++++++++

    Maybe, but he is a face to the QB CB….would never work in Oakland. Would be MeAngelo part II.

  216. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Seattle hahahahahahahaha…what have u contributed to the lore of the nfl? nada

  217. noteasilyimpressed Says:

    Looking on the bright side, the Raiders should receive 3 extra draft picks in 2012 for the departures of Gallery, Nnamdi and Miller – maybe one of the picks will be a 3rd rounder.

  218. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Zach was the best pass catcher on the team, period. Compare him with Fargass or whoever you want, dude was the most productive receiver on the team. Now what? bring back Teyo?

  219. RaiderRetribution Says:

    put the money towards OL or a WR

    we could even save the money/cap space and put towards Fitzgerald who will be a UFA, although everyone knows he will be franchise tagged.

  220. raiderzmaverick Says:

    Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Raiders lose Miller to Seahawks…So much for Greg Papa and his inside info… convert DHB into TE!
    ————————–
    Ha ha ha! The TE is supposed to be a “safety blanket” who the QB can always depend on. I’d just as soon make DHB gain some weight and turn him into a FB. He’s better at blocking than receiving.

  221. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Kevin Boss<—–sb champ…..carries more weight than Zach

  222. Plunketthead Says:

    tharris236 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:23 pm
    Well, Al has F@#$ed around and let the best player on offense and best player on defense head to better pastures. He has WAY overpaid for Routt and Wimbley, and to a certain degree Seymour and Henderson. This really blows. Crazy Al’s back. Seattle got the Raiders best two offensive players – Miller and Gallery. I just hope that McFadden doesn’t get hurt. The raiders will have NO offense then. The running game will most certainly get squeezed now without the threat of Miller. Unbelieveable. I’m crushed after losing both Nnamdi and Zach.
    ===============================================

    DMAC is MVR and it is not even close.

    How the hell will the runnig game get squeezed with Zach gone.
    Zach was not a good blocker. We can pick up a decent blocker for peanuts and the running game will improve.

    I am afraid to tell you this but you are banned from becoming a semi pro untill the 2016

  223. BabySlash Says:

    Yeah get rid of Shane too. We have a good offense now so no need for the highest paid punter in the NFL.

    And no need for the highest paid long snapper either.

    Al pays people because he wants to show them loyalty but it ain’t working.

  224. YoungAmerican Says:

    Oh well. Next man up, right? Time to look for offensive weapons. Braylon Edwards, anyone?

  225. Dakota Says:

    Remember….Barnes can play TE!

    Yeah baby!

  226. bcz24 Says:

    raiderjhawk Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Does Asaunte Samuel have anything left in the tank?
    ************
    Hes a pure zone guy. He would get roasted in our scheme just like DHall, maybe worse.

  227. KoolKell Says:

    No way in hell the Raiders sign Malcolm Floyd.

  228. bcz24 Says:

    Who wants to trade for a punter? Nooooobody.

  229. Dakota Says:

    Miller our best TE since Todd Christiansen? No big loss…..

  230. raiderinparadise Says:

    I’m sorry I hit a nerve Raiderjhawk, you obvisouly paint your face and love Al Davis lol. Do you play with action figures in your free time by chance?

    I’m a real raider fan, but please, it doesn’t matter what I say or think, cuz AL will ruin it, he always does. The guy has been awful the last decade. If you back Al Davis, then your just supporting 5-11 seasons and new coaches every year and awful draft picks and blowin money. Have you seen attendance at our stadium?

    I’m a realist, I am all for Hue Jackson, he is are only glimmer of hope since he has earned Al Davis respect and has some leverage with the team. Why do I not want Boss? because AL will prob pay him more than Miller got in Seattle just to make a point. Boss is soilid but we can use that $$$ for other areas of need. Bottom line Zach Miller was a beast, one of my favorites, Boss is not the answer we have more pressing needs. Besides without Miller our WR’s are forced to get the ball, maybe they emerge.

  231. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Haha tippin point was Cable…..Rams winning NFC West this season….Zach gonna feel dumb come november

  232. raiderjhawk Says:

    A seahawks fan telling us to enjoy the cellar, that is way to funny! I imagine they are still rubbing their arses from that beat down we put on them last season.

    Actually it’s pry just MR trying to stir the pot again.

  233. Scottish Raider Says:

    Miller was a good, solid reliable TE – okay blocker, good receiver. But he stood out at Oakland because our WRs were rubbish.

    In last month’s NY Times list of Top TEs, Miller didn’t make the Top 10.

    10. Kellen Winslow, Bucs
    9. Chris Cooley, Redskins
    8. Heath Miller, Steelers
    7. Marcedes Lewis, Jaguars
    6. Tony Gonzalez, Falcons
    5. Jason Witten, Cowboys
    4. Dallas Clark, Colts
    3. Vernon Davis, 49ers
    2. Jermichael Finley, Packers
    1. Antonio Gates, Chargers

    Miller = good, not great, not worth what Seattle has committed.

  234. r8eray Says:

    Raiderjhawk Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    Does Asaunte Samuel have anything left in the tank?

    ——

    I think 1-2 good years…..he’ll play with a “big chip” on his shoulder!

  235. raiderzmaverick Says:

    And by the way, all of those guys who are saying that Zach’s production wasn’t so good…just realize it was 50% higher than our top Wide Receiver. So that’s a lot of production lost.

  236. J Hill Says:

    if we were not overpaying Wimbly and Routt we could have brought in some good free agents.

    ——————————————————

    Like who?

  237. RaiderLen Says:

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:08 pm
    “Z didn’t get what he wanted from AL. Sounds to me AL made a Value decision.

    You’re welcome.

    What big words you use!”

    Dude you attacked me and said I had a man crush on Miller because I was talking about our GM and his ability to sign or not sign players. I was also complaining about overpaying guys, it had nothing to do with me wanting to keep Miller or not.

    I am upset about losing Miller and Nnamdi yes but if we were not overpaying Wimbly and Routt we could have brought in some good free agents.
    ———————————-

    Dude….

    The 1st insult was calling me a “Little Guy”

    I called you out.

    Having said that….Peace and ONE Nation.

  238. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Hahahahaha Miller a beast? Stop it

  239. KoolKell Says:

    Dakota Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Miller our best TE since Todd Christiansen? No big loss…..
    —————————————-
    They don’t care, they just don’t want Al Davis to look stupid. That’s all that organization and it’s sycophants care about.

  240. BabySlash Says:

    iF it’s true that Zach left because of Cable…screw him. Hue is much better for our team. Just look at the offense after the arrival of Hue.

    Cable was a fat cheerleader who loved ho’s and beating wives. A loser.

  241. Plunketthead Says:

    Why do you think Kyle Boller is here? (see Huge Action, QB Coach, Ravens 2009)
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

    Because the head coach made the decision to get Kyle?

    Tom coaches the offensive line. I am sure that Pete, the GM and most everyone else thinks Tom is a very good line coach but that is it.

    When it comes to picking players I quote Pete himself

    ” I have seen Toms buttcrack homely hookers and with the money he had, do you honestly think I would take his advice on picking football players”.

  242. RaiderDuck Says:

    Raiderzmaverick Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    God, this pisses me off. We really do need to sign a proven TE.
    Actually what pisses me off even worse is that we sign Routt and don’t even offer Nnamdi a contract when we could’ve had him for 1 mil more a year!

    ==========================================

    For the 99th time, Nnamdi was never coming back here for any price, let alone $1 Mil more than Stanford Routt! He wanted to play in a major east coast media market. We were never in the running.

  243. dvrick Says:

    SILVER AND BLACK Nice funeral colors Time to bury the RAIDERS!!!

  244. hwnrdr Says:

    Miller said that Cable called Saturday night and promised that Seattle will makea push

  245. r8eray Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
    No way in hell the Raiders sign Malcolm Floyd.

    —–

    Shut the front door…you don’t know what your talking about!!

    You POO PUTT!

  246. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    CODE BLACK 2011! Fk Zach Miller

  247. raiderjhawk Says:

    Raiderinparadise, no man I don’t paint my face, I’ve never even had the pleasure of attending a Raiders home game, I live in Kansas. I used to go to Arrowhead every year for the annual Raiders game but since Sunday ticket I just don’t see the need to visit that dump.

    When the grass is cut the snakes will show, that’s why I stay on the concrete. I thought all of the Raiders bandwagon fans had abandoned ship already, guess I was wrong my man.

  248. RaiderLen Says:

    Lynn From Snot Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    PGutierrezCSN Paul Gutierrez
    Just got off phone w/Zach Miller, says fair to say Cable was “tipping point” in decision, which was not about money
    ————————————–
    And there it is.

  249. J Hill Says:

    Yes Bush is locked up for 2011, but the trend here seems to be that Al Davis can’t lock up his home grown talent.

    ——————————————————

    A whole seperate issue with Bush.

    He wants to play and knows he won’t sniff the field much behing a STUD like McFadden.

    I could totally understand him walking next year.

    In fact take it to the back that he walks.

    And please don’t start crying about a BACKUP running back leaving.

  250. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Al Davis rules!

  251. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Kell why dont u waddle ur mushroom colored fat ass up to HQ and tell Al this

  252. BabySlash Says:

    Miller was not a beast ha ha. Oh my god no.

    He was good. Probably one of the top 7 TE’s in the NFL. I don’t think any of the TE’s are worth 7 mil a year, except Gates (in his younger years) and Dallas Clark.And Witten.

  253. Dakota Says:

    We should all be rooting for Nnamdi, Miller, Gallery and all our free agents who sign with other teams, because the better they do, the more likely we get 3rd round compensitory picks.

    Better than nothing.

  254. icecube Says:

    If Zach was a bully he’d be a Raider
    He was too soft in the head.

  255. raiderinparadise Says:

    Routt is solid, nothing special, paid a top DB contract.

    Wimbley is solid, great pass rusher, doesn’t accumulate stops in run game. paid 4th most of any LB in the NFL.

    Nnamdi best in game, good guy, a raider, let go.
    Miller top 5 at his position, a raider, let go.

    Yeah Al Davis is top-notch at what he does. lol

  256. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Dvbtch….the seacawks were never alive

  257. plataynegro Says:

    Think for a minute, multiple concussions and the foot injury last year that he never fully came back from. This dude is too fragile to pay that kind of $

    Did Huff deserve that much $? probably not, but single deep center field safety for the Raiders is not an easy position. His tackling needs a lot of work, but you could put Polamalu in there and he would get burned over the top! It takes a certain skill set to play single deep Safety!

  258. Just Fire Baby Says:

    So Al plays his hand patheticly poorly again.

    Big shocker!!!

  259. Raiderjambo Says:

    Losing Namdi was my only disappointment, the other players who departed can and will be replaced by younger, hungrier RAIDERS, who want to be here! Coach Jackson’s work ethic, enthusiasm, will benefit these young players, and they will get better. So the sky is not falling, and it’s still GREAT to be a RAIDER fan. GO RAIDERS!

  260. Pretty Rick Says:

    No sense in throwing salt on Miller. Seattle made him a better off than Oakland,, it’s that simple. Al could’ve signed him but,,,,,,,(draw your on conclusion).
    I just find it funny that one of the first priorities for Al was resigning Sam Williams,,,that one just cracks me up.

  261. raiderjhawk Says:

    If Bush don’t wanna play here then we might as well get something for him while we can, it’s not like we don’t have plenty of backs on the roster right now.

    Don’t get it twisted, I love me some Bush!

  262. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:

    All the dudes with the next man up philosophy are my people. These are the dudes I see at the games. They are a hearty breed that bleeds Silver and Black. They are Raider fans.

    As for this blog, I seem to remember a lot of you crying over the departure of Lane Kiffin. You know who you are.

    So here’s to you, Raider fans!

    Fuk the rest.

    Go Raiders!

  263. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Haha Oshea is talkin about soft? Yeah like when Kam whooped ya ass in LA? Fk Ice Cube

  264. Dakota Says:

    249.J Hill Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    Yes Bush is locked up for 2011, but the trend here seems to be that Al Davis can’t lock up his home grown talent.

    ——————————————————

    A whole seperate issue with Bush.

    He wants to play and knows he won’t sniff the field much behing a STUD like McFadden.

    I could totally understand him walking next year.

    In fact take it to the back that he walks.

    And please don’t start crying about a BACKUP running back leaving.
    ++++++++++++++

    Just don’t want another strength turned into a weakness.

  265. Just Fire Baby Says:

    For the love of God can we just trade Bush for whatever we can this year.

    He is all but gone after this season, and we need to start getting compensation for Al’s good draft picks fleeing in FA.

  266. raidertay Says:

    Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
    Zach Miller says in phone interview Tom Cable called Saturday and promised Seahawks would make big push. Raiders deal never materialized.
    6 minutes ago

    +++++++

    WTF??? We didnt even make an offer! Samething Namndi said.

  267. devilr8er Says:

    Al we are still waiting for those 2-3 free agents you were going to get with nnamdi’s money.

  268. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Al rules!

  269. RaiderDuck Says:

    Wait a minute:

    Will Cable even be coaching Zach in Seattle?

    If not, why in hell was a Cable sales pitch a consideration?

  270. dvrick Says:

    Maybe you could sign J.RUSSELL,Brilliant idea!!

  271. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Stanfor Routt si worth 50% his contract. That has nothing to do with Nnamdi leaving…Cmon. 8-8 after years of crap and we let go Cable, Nnamdi, Zach, Gallery. Is this what we were hoping for when the season ended?

  272. bcz24 Says:

    I love having Bush around too, but I say trade him this year because is going to walk next year. We could get Ricky Williams for the same or less money than Bush and he won’t be screaming for pt…

  273. TheLastWarrior Says:

    Seattle just made a 4 year $40 million dollar offer for Michael Bush…come on Al and sign this guy before this happens…R U asleep?

  274. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Al didnt offer them schit! Awesome!

  275. J Hill Says:

    So Miller said Raiders offer never materialized????

    Maybe Hue and Saunders didn’t feel they needed Miller. Maybe they wanted to spend that $ on another part of their offense?

  276. hendu Says:

    Bri,CODE BLACK 2011,Raiders!!!!ps,Zack,wish you and Barney well,hope you beat the s–t out of the niners!

  277. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Just added more pressure on Soup and D-Mac to make things happen this season.

    Defense HAS TO improve from last year, to improve on 8-8. Tougher schedule, and we traded Nnamdi, Zack Miller, Gradkowski, JLH, Thomas Howard and Bob Gallery, for Trent Edwards and a bunch of undrafted FA’s so far in free agency.

  278. TheLastWarrior Says:

    #260…agreed!

  279. raidertay Says:

    We didnt make an offer for Namndi of ZM. WTF am I missing?

  280. TheLastWarrior Says:

    Sam Williams is the New James Jett…

  281. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Seattle if u want Bush….gimme marshawn lynch

  282. Scottish Raider Says:

    I suspect Cable also told Miller that, because of his limitations as a blocker, he would be better in a zone offence than in a power-based one.

    This shouldn’t cause Hue too much problems – he will want to get the ball in the hands of McFadden, Reece and Taiwan.

  283. Just Fire Baby Says:

    So Miller said Raiders offer never materialized????

    Maybe Hue and Saunders didn’t feel they needed Miller.

    ***************************

    Maybe they were too shell-shocked to make an offer, due to all that cap room they had to play with.

  284. raiderinparadise Says:

    Well good to hear raiderjhawk.

    I been to many games but I don’t live close to the bay anymore.

    raiders are raiders. i am with them all, BUT Al davis has caused the collapse of this franchise. Hue Jackson is our only hope. Al Davis once said the “shelf-life of a coach is about 5-10 years” then they lose it. What does he think the shelf-life of an owner/GM/do everything like its the 70’s ????

  285. plataynegro Says:

    Just because a deal “doesn’t materialize” doesn’t mean no “offer” was made! Cmon guys pull yourselves together. Its a setback, but a minor one. Did anyone expect Hue to take us where he did last year with what we had? We will be fine, our leadership won’t let us slip back into mediocrity.

  286. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Isn’t it obvious why Al abstained on that vote?

    The salary-cap was going to screw him this season!!!

  287. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    This just in. To replace Zack Miller, the Raiders have reached into their past and resigned Ethan Horton and Anthony Glover. Since they were not used much by Shanahan, Shell, etc., AD feels they have plenty left in the tank.

  288. icecube Says:

    BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    Haha Oshea is talkin about soft? Yeah like when Kam whooped ya ass in LA? Fk Ice Cube
    I have no idea what that means.
    All I know is the Raiders will be in the playoffs.

  289. 4evaRaider Says:

    Hey Nation!

    Damm….seems I’m not the only one who liked Coach Cable

  290. St. Louis Raider Says:

    PGutierrezCSN Paul Gutierrez
    Just got off phone w/Zach Miller, says fair to say Cable was “tipping point” in decision, which was not about money

    ******

    Stop lying Zach – it’s always about money. If it wasn’t you wouldn’t go to Seattle and have Tarvaris Jackson throwing lasers at your ankles for four quarters. We aren’t f*cking idiots.

  291. raiderinparadise Says:

    SRoutt26 Stanford Routt by VittorioTafur
    @ZachMiller80 Congrats on the deal homie…!!! #WorthEveryPenny
    5 minutes ago

  292. raiderjhawk Says:

    I’d rather have Hue Jack city then Tommy boy any day. It’s ludicrous to say otherwise.

  293. inonewordraider Says:

    Als gonna get Lofa so they can see what they missed out on. Boss gonna have a chip on his shoulder from GMEn not showing love and Malcom coming back to nocal to burn the Chargers twice a year

  294. BabySlash Says:

    Dvrick Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    Maybe you could sign J.RUSSELL,Brilliant idea!!

    ____________________

    Maybe the Seahawks should sign Jamarcus…he’s still better than Tavaris Jackson!

  295. Just Fire Baby Says:

    I think Whitehurst will play over Tavaris in Seattle.

  296. TheLastWarrior Says:

    #291…players don’t care what team they are on, just who pays them

  297. BadMoodGuy Says:

    I used to think the Steelers had the dumbest fans in football, but some of the people in here are giving them a run for their money. Contrary to popular belief, watching ESPN doesn’t turn you into a football genius.

    Zack is a good player, somebody else overpaid for him. Good luck to him. The starting TE is dead, long live the new starting TE.

    BAN THE TROLLS!

  298. severeraiderz Says:

    ABP

    Myers has pretty good hands but the person that will take a lot of Miller’s catches is Reece he is a more dangerous weapon and more of a threat to score in the red zone. TE by commitee works for me, Ausberry is probably the best pass catcher of the bunch but I wouldn’t underestimate the hands of Gordon who didnt really get a lot of passes thrown his way at miami but is a physical freak and will be given an opportunity to make an impact offensively

  299. J Hill Says:

    Maybe they were too shell-shocked to make an offer, due to all that cap room they had to play with.

    —————————————————–

    You mean they continued with their fiscal responsibility?

    I can buy that.

  300. bcz24 Says:

    Im really torn on this. If we dont replace Miller then this is a big problem, but if we sign Boss, or a decent wideout then I am ok. Koolaid meter is definitely getting low though

  301. TheLastWarrior Says:

    #293, those would be great moves…let’s hope

  302. 4evaRaider Says:

    What up Exla,Vegas? hope all is good!

  303. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Haha zach go up with a soft ass team

  304. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    4eva!!!!!!!!!

  305. BabySlash Says:

    the bottom line is that Miller was not worth that much money. No more stupid contracts period.

  306. 4evaRaider Says:

    You 2 Jhill!

  307. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Bcz….noooooo!

  308. r8eray Says:

    Yeeaahhh Buuddeeeee!!

  309. Dakota Says:

    Yes, sign Bush now or trade him….can’t stand to see another good draft pick leave for zero compensation.

    Worst GM in the NFL.

    Al has spent approximately $700 million in salaries since 2003 and the net result? 37 wins in 8 years.

  310. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Who cares about Nnamdi, Miller, Gallery, Bush, when we have Sam Williams & Routt ready to walk off that bus looking like 20 million bucks! woo hoo!

  311. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    On a serious note, F_CK Miller. Does not want to be part of the Nation, the hell with him. Let him go to the Seagulls. I figure they will fire Pete Carroll who has never been a successful NFL Coach in 2 years. Wow, they got exited winning the NFC West with a losing record. If he didn’t like soup, wait until he plays with Tavaris Jackson. lmfao.

  312. WNYRaidersFan Says:

    First off, what kind of fan hopes for a former stand out player of the team to get a concussion or any other injury? But ya he was good at catching, decent at blocking, but he’s a TE in the new NFL. And seeing as how we play mostly 34 D schemes, i’d rather have a TE who can block the outside rush and clear a lane for Run DMC.
    So if you’re mad at a player leaving fine, just don’t go out saying you hope they get a serious LIFELONG injury, because i’ll bet those of you calling for it have never had a sports injury, and just might be some type of puss.
    Just sayin’

  313. 4evaRaider Says:

    Hey Br ien!!!!!!

    You should see my trees!!!!

    maybe if all goes well,maybe just maybe i could be out there after I cut em down!!!

  314. RaiderDuck Says:

    Latest from Twitter:

    ZachMiller80 Zach Miller
    Thanks to the #Raidernation for their support the last 4 years. I know you probably already unfollowed

    ====================================

    Darn straight I unfollowed….

  315. bcz24 Says:

    BabySlash Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    the bottom line is that Miller was not worth that much money. No more stupid contracts period.
    ****************
    I agree, BUT how do you type that with a straight face after watching the contracts we have handed out. There may be about 3 starters left on our roster performing to or exceeding the money they make.

  316. R41D8R41IF3 Says:

    SAD SAD DAY RAIDER NATION. WE JUST LOST 2 PRO BOWL CALIBER PLAYERS AND AL IS GOING TO REPLACE THEM WITH AVERAGE PLAYERS GETTING PAID LIKE THEY ARE ALL PRO’S. THINK ABOUT THIS (MILLER PUT UP ALL THOSE STATS WITH JAMARCUS, GRAD,AND TUI UNDER CENTER. GOOD PRO BOWL TE’S DON’T COME BY THAT OFTEN. DO YOU REMEMBER RICKY DUDLEY? THIS REALLY HURTS OUR TEAM, EVEN MORE THAN NNAMDI. THIS OF SEASON JUST GETS BETTER AND BETTER. THANKS AL, YOU DID IT AGAIN. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE HIGHEST PAY ROLL IN THE NFL AND AND ANOTHER 8-8 SEASON AT BEST.

  317. DeuceDeuce Says:

    Well now that thats over with… on with the free agent signings Al…

    Boss, B. Waters, Totupu, M. Floyd, Gaither..

  318. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    This is funny:

    ZachMiller80 Zach Miller
    by VittorioTafur
    Thanks to the #Raidernation for their support the last 4 years. I know you probably already unfollowed

    He knows us well.

  319. Pretty Rick Says:

    Maybe Al is negotiating a 20million dollar deal with Rickey Dudley. I’m pretty sure he could use some of that Raider money again.

  320. raiderinparadise Says:

    ZachMiller80 Zach Miller
    Thanks to the #Raidernation for their support the last 4 years. I know you probably already unfollowed
    3 minutes ago

    ********

    WOW he knows he is hated lol. I’m already over it. Were the raiders, were always dealing with adversity anyways.

  321. daraider09 Says:

    ryan harris is a good RT from denver, couldnt we have tried to sign him? god, we’re doing nothing. i am so freaking frustrated right now! we better get malcolm floyd and kevin boss. MINIMUM!!!

    Anyone know if anything can still happen with Jared Gaither and his physical?

  322. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    4eva whats good? long time

  323. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    4evaRaider, Whats’s up? Just another day on the way to “Committment to Excellence”

  324. DKnight007 Says:

    raiderinparadise Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
    ZachMiller80 Zach Miller
    Thanks to the #Raidernation for their support the last 4 years. I know you probably already unfollowed
    3 minutes ago

    ^^^^^^^^
    Someone on twitter needs to tell him have fun catching passes from scrub QB’s up there!

  325. severeraiderz Says:

    Raiderinparadise

    You can’t be top 5 at you position when ur a TE that doesn’t score. Zach Miller is an average blocker, pretty good receiver, who doesn’t score and is ineffective in the redzone.

  326. jmcclain Says:

    Miller was are #1 option cause raiders offense made him that. Fact is raiders need the recievers to be recievers this yr period. Its never good to have ur tight end be ur #1 option down the field thats not a typical option for an nfl offense. Hopefully the recieving core this yr plays better if so cambell can spread the ball all over the field. With dmac catching balls to and from what i saw last yr he knows what to do after the catch. Everyone should quit talking bout milker as seymour said ” we only talk about raiders here ” quote of the yr hands down. Chill everyone its gonna be ok.

  327. J Hill Says:

    we traded Nnamdi, Zack Miller, Gradkowski, JLH, Thomas Howard and Bob Gallery, for Trent Edwards and a bunch of undrafted FA’s so far in free agency.

    ——————————————————-

    I think the word you threw at me was schlepp, right?

    Well I’ll see you ine schlepp and raise you a mularkey!

    Gardowski, JLH, Tom Howard, and Bob Gallery?????

    Really???!!???!!??

    Keeping those players translates to how many WINS for us next year?

    You said you didn’t want Gardowski back, and now you throw him in the mix?

    JLH was replaced by Moore on the WR depth chart. He was a #4 WR at best, and a backup return guy.

    Tom Howard was a STs player. Lost his starting job 2 years ago.

    Bob Gallery was replaced by Loper. Corkran and Jer seem to think there is no downgrade there.

    A few more updates you may have missed.

    We got a new C and RT who by all accounts are performing pretty well in camp.

    We brought back who you and I both thought was more important that Nnamdi. Mike Huff.

    We’ve also added some talent to the coaching staff and retained a guy that some people call Savage.

    All is not lost, my friend!

  328. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    4eva man that would be highlight of the year!

  329. DKnight007 Says:

    317.DeuceDeuce Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
    Well now that thats over with… on with the free agent signings Al…

    Boss, B. Waters, Totupu, M. Floyd, Gaither..

    ^^^^^^^
    Better hope half of these signings happen. If not….Coach Huey has a tough job ahead in his first year.

  330. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Man, Rickey Dudely, talk about your average DHB.

  331. DT42 Says:

    Great team you picked Miller

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCoCkx_-vQI

  332. hwnrdr Says:

    Whats up 4eva!!! Been too long!

  333. inonewordraider Says:

    Bossmans hip surgery + run blocking when we have a helluva pass catcher in Ausberry >Zmiller and his bad foot/concussion issues

  334. bcz24 Says:

    Here’s a solid question though. How does he keep the players motivated and staying positive about the season when we just keep taking hits.

  335. raidertay Says:

    What do you guys think of the idea of moving Marcel Reece to TE??

  336. No Mas Diamante Says:

    We have K barnes for TE. No need to worry.

  337. 4evaRaider Says:

    REALLY GREAT 2 hear from all YOU!!!!

    well i dont know about all dat but

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    I B ready

    did we pick up trent resnor? lol

  338. Seymour Bush Says:

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Tom Cable gone as Head Coach started the freefall from 8-8 “grace”

    Gradkowski & Howard – Cincy
    Asomugha & Higgins – Philly
    Gallery & Miller – Seattle
    =================================================

    That’s right! Chokie Lee Higgins is gone. Our team just got better right there. I’m starting to feel better…..

  339. raiderfankirk Says:

    Great way to put it Doc

  340. raiderinparadise Says:

    severeraiderz Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    Raiderinparadise

    You can’t be top 5 at you position when ur a TE that doesn’t score. Zach Miller is an average blocker, pretty good receiver, who doesn’t score and is ineffective in the redzone.

    *************

    He played with JaMarcus Russell, Gradkowski and Campbell. Zach Miller is/was top 5 TE. Maybe #5 but he top 5.

  341. J Hill Says:

    306.4evaRaider Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    You 2 Jhill!

    —————————————————–

    Wassup mayne!

    I knew you’d be in here soon enough.

    How’s everything down there?

  342. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Crybabies on here….please stay away from our games

  343. Pretty Rick Says:

    Anybody know Teyo Johnson’s number? Maybe we can bring him back.

  344. No Mas Diamante Says:

    Miller was an above average pass catching TE, with only average blocking skills at best, who’s one concussion away from retirement IMO. He is replaceable.

  345. inonewordraider Says:

    Floyd is only askin for 5 mill a year plus he’d be close to home here, you wouldn’t rather have Floyd for Zach money?

  346. 4evaRaider Says:

    Whats up 4eva!!! Been too long!

    Great 2 haer U 2 Hwnrdr!

  347. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Al to Hue: Heres how you build a Bully, first you overpay for potential, then you let the teams football IQ leave..

  348. bcz24 Says:

    He is replaceable.
    ********************
    My Koolaid pitcher will be refilled when we ACTUALLY SIGN SOMEONE!

    We could do this and we could that… we aren’t…

  349. mikedlopes Says:

    My Raider Brethern, do not fear for we have won without Miller before.

    We lose some depth.. Sure.. But I assure you the only thing lost is a pair of good hands.

    I’m sure Campbell had a TE to develop chemistry with this offseason

    David Ausberry is showing some genius, and is much more athletic than Miller.

  350. Seymour Bush Says:

    raidertay Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    What do you guys think of the idea of moving Marcel Reece to TE??
    ===========================================

    Marcel Reece is really excelling where he is. Leave him alone. I think the Raiders believe they can get a good TE on the cheap ala Antonio Gates. Problem is, no other franchise believes that.

  351. raidertay Says:

    ZM’s departure will hurt. Anyone who thinks different is in denial.

  352. RaiderLen Says:

    Bcz24 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    Here’s a solid question though. How does he keep the players motivated and staying positive about the season when we just keep taking hits.
    ————————————-
    I think losing a guy during the season would come as a larger blow than now.

    The “replacements” still have time to establish themselves and earn their cred.

    It’s on Hue to get them (The team) to play.

    I’m betting they will play hard…and well

  353. No Mas Diamante Says:

    Floyd does not excite me all that much. his jersey would be cool to wear to a pink floyd concert tho, if they ever tour again.

  354. omniscience Says:

    Loosing Miller kinda stings right now. More from Being a die hard Raiders fan but hey its called Free Agency people choose where they want to play the ones that chose to stay with the Raiders wanted to be here. I like Miller but if you are a true Raider fan look at the Money he got and look at his stats. not exsactly T. Christiansen numbers We will be fine everyone on here says he could not block thats big. also I do question his durability.

  355. RaiderDebo Says:

    Losing Zach is a shock. Seattle is putting quite a supporting cast together on O. Don’t think it’s going to matter which guy starts at QB. Lucky guys.

  356. 4evaRaider Says:

    not much work Jhill,soo…

    Ive been planting a HUGE crop and it b lookin real good!

  357. raidertay Says:

    Hue and Saunders will definitely earn their money this year. Defense will need to show up in a major way.

  358. r8dercain Says:

    Al saunders scheme calss for more a blocking TE
    Its rather unfortunate but it is what it is.

    coumsi coumsa
    now lets move on!!!

    malcolm Floyd would be a nice pick up!!

    the worst i can say bout losing z miller is its going to piss off our fan base more than J Campbell

  359. raiderjhawk Says:

    We haven’t even played a game yet and some of you cats are already throwing in the towel. I’ll stay optimistic.

    CODE BLACK 2011!!!!!!!!!

  360. kidseven Says:

    I think the days of dumpoff are going the way of Cade McCable. The WRs and RBs were becoming a bigger part of the offense by the end of the year. Relying on Miller is a losing strategy.

  361. raidertay Says:

    Doesnt Seattle have those swirling winds in that arena. Well I guess it cant be any worse then catching a Jamarcus pass.

  362. 4evaRaider Says:

    Wow,did we lose Howard???

    if so that really sucks

  363. r8eray Says:

    Raiders are sure taking their sweet time getting FA’s in here!!

    Getting a little antcy here…..c’mon Al..front office!!

  364. raiderinparadise Says:

    Z. Miller was our leader in recieving for 3 years, we have no “possession wr’s” just one big play WR in Jacoby Ford who broke his hand. You think our passing game was bad last year? If Chaz can’t stay healthy, Murphy needs to learn to catch and DHB needs to be cut. We have nobody.

  365. raiderjhawk Says:

    I don’t know, most of these guys we are losing have been with us for our losing era, might be a good thing. At least it will make the younger dudes step it up.

  366. Seymour Bush Says:

    Looks like the Richard Gordon/Brandon Myers era at TE is about to begin. I actually like Myers. Gordon has size and speed. He is a good blocker from a very solid Miami program. Problem is he can’t catch. Thank God Adam Henry is our Tight Ends coach.

  367. mikedlopes Says:

    Time for the next Miller to step up.. I’m expecting big things Nick!

  368. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Yall sum btches

  369. raiderjhawk Says:

    oh now we’re crying for losing Howard? For the love of Pete people get a hold of yourselves.

  370. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    Overheard on intercom “Greg Papa, report to Herrera’s office”

  371. J Hill Says:

    Zach Miller = 4 catches for 40 yds a game.

    4 catches

    40 yds

    Dakota and JFB, in terms of the things you point out re: our salary cap going forward, should we really have paid Miller, or any pass catching TE, 7 million a year?

    If so, I’m curious to hear you explain how that wouldn’t have been in the “crazy Al Davis signing” category.

    4 catches

    40 yds

  372. J Hill Says:

    4eva,

    You still in FL?

  373. r8dercain Says:

    wHO iS “YA’LL”

  374. raiderjhawk Says:

    get’em JHill, at least somebody else in here is making some sense.

  375. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Jhawk exactly

  376. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    4evaRaider Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:52 pm
    Wow,did we lose Howard???

    if so that really sucks
    ————
    Are you serious?

  377. inonewordraider Says:

    Al offerered Randy a contract and Randy said maybe later, we aren’t gonna like it but WHEN we’re winning he might be added to the roster

  378. ArmChair GM Says:

    BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Oakland Live…..who cares if Zach left?
    ______________________________________________________

    Brien I read about Oakland Live about 3 days ago as a proposed idea that was in the beginning stages. Is there more info out on it now? Is it a definite go?

    Update me please fam…

  379. jmcclain Says:

    Ya we lost two key players but we got something this yr we havent had in a long time and thats coaching. Coaching makes a huge difference. They can make players play better and team perform better. All of raider nation should be jacked for that alone. Thats why this yr is and will be a great yr.

  380. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    Is anyone sure Al is still alive?

  381. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:

    Zach just didn’t fit in with CODE BLACK.

    Did you order the CODE BLACK?

  382. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Cain….doom n gloomers who say we wont win

  383. r8dercain Says:

    mILLER WILL BE MISSED BY FANS. not by the Raiders offense.

    Print that!!

    The Raiders offense will be just as good if not better than a year ago..

    Print that too!!

  384. r8dercain Says:

    Got you be always your correct

  385. raiderjhawk Says:

    I decided I’m having a CODE BLACK T-SHIRT made at the local shop. Plus I’ve been saying it around my Chiefs fans co-workers since yesterday, they don’t get it yet but soon they will my friends.

  386. 4evaRaider Says:

    Yep I’m still in stoooopid florida.almost at my wits end here but I been sowing the big fields by my house all spring,so I hope I can reap bigtime

    Ima getting out of here 1 way or another yall lol

  387. Orthodoxdj Says:

    It happens. Moving on. Next man up.

  388. raiderinparadise Says:

    4 catches for 40 yards a game is Millers stats? So your saying thats bad?

    Well when your passing offense throws for 165 a game, that 40 yds is looked at a little differently in OAK.

    He is worth 7mill a year if wimbley is worth $$$$67396491364031 million

  389. BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:

    Armchair they approved it

  390. Raider E Says:

    Seattle just made a 4 year $40 million dollar offer for Michael Bush…come on Al and sign this guy before this happens…R U asleep?

    ——————————-

    If this is true we will have the first pick (from Seattle) and the last pick (ours) in the 2012 NFL Draft. Andrew Luck anyone?

  391. omniscience Says:

    I compared the Boss to Miller stats just about the same and Boss was probally Eli’s 3rd option. Hope we get him heard Carlson from Seattle may be avaliable

  392. Albert Bigelow Paine Says:

    I love Dvorak’s string quartets. You guys should listen to more classical music. Maybe you wouldn’t be so angry all the time.

  393. ArmChair GM Says:

    # BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Armchair they approved it
    _______________________________________________________

    Brien can u give me a link or something….or do you have some friends in the KNOW,lol.

    Cause anybody that’s really from The Town like us and a Raider as well, should be jumping for joy right now!

    More info please brotha!

  394. Raider E Says:

    Al didnt offer them schit! Awesome!

    ————————————–

    I think it may be feasible to sugggest that maybe Al did all his offering before the Lockout and once guys like Miller and Nnamdi held out for more, Al just lost their numbers :) I like it :)

  395. Just Win Baby Says:

    Hurry, name the Green Bay Packers top performing TE last season!

  396. BabySlash Says:

    WNYRaidersFan Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:36 pm
    First off, what kind of fan hopes for a former stand out player of the team to get a concussion or any other injury?
    So if you’re mad at a player leaving fine, just don’t go out saying you hope they get a serious LIFELONG injury, because i’ll bet those of you calling for it have never had a sports injury, and just might be some type of puss.
    Just sayin’

    ————————-
    Once you leave the Raider Nation, you’re our enemy and we will try to destroy you.

    I hope his monkey azzed eggshell like head splits open like a ripe watermelon.

  397. jmcclain Says:

    Miller 17 mill guaranteed not worth it seattle can waist money on miller lije that glad the raiders didnt. Sorry peeps but davis is right on this dont waist money on just a few players. Get a good core of players are decent and have this coaching staff make them better.

  398. raiderinparadise Says:

    Jermichael Finley

  399. omniscience Says:

    Raider E what you smokin stop getting these guys fired-up

  400. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    380.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
    Is anyone sure Al is still alive?

    =================================================
    Been gone 3 years. Used the same embalmer that did Lenin and Stalin.

  401. crazysandude Says:

    How can things change if everything remains the same?

    Sure, everyone loved Miller. (Nnamdi too). They were GREAT Raiders!

    It’s time to move on, re-invent, and see who the next GREAT Raiders are.

    I still think the Raiders are better than the Chargers, Broncos, and Chiefs. The Raiders will win the division and make the playoff’s this year

  402. SR Raider Says:

    So, now that we’ve lost 3 starters, there should be some extra cap room. Sign somebody or fire the mf-ing GM

  403. 4evaRaider Says:

    good 4 Zach getting a big payday but…

    BabySlash is right,imo

  404. devilr8er Says:

    Kevin Boss- 15 games- 35 rec-531 yds-5 tds- 2010 stats

    Zach Miller-15 games- 60 rec-685 yds-5 tds- 2010 stats

    ZM was a primary target, kevin boss was maybe 3rd option, Boss is a better blocker than ZM. We need to lock up Boss now. I am going to hate to see ZM go, but we can do with BOSS.

  405. 4evaRaider Says:

    finley was injured last year…

    bbl Nation!

  406. BabySlash Says:

    Miller is soft and wore a stupid looking handicap helmet with a simian-like jaw protruding from his facemask.

    Roll with what we got and sign a couple of cheaper guys who can contribute in several areas of need.

  407. Just Win Baby Says:

    How many TD did Finley have last year? 1. If you are going to win a Lombardi trophy you dont do it relying on your TE to carry the offense. Time for our WR to do their jobs and get open and catch the damn ball and score some damn touuchdowns. Leave a TE in to block.

  408. Raider E Says:

    Raider E what you smokin stop getting these guys fired-up

    ——————————

    You already know, plus i got me one of them watermelon 4 locos :)

  409. BabySlash Says:

    Boss wants to be a Raider. He’s almost as good and half price.

    Zach wanted to be with Cable.

    He’s toast…mark my words. One hit and he is DONE. Good move to ABSTAIN for once.

  410. Straight-Up-Raider Says:

    Looks like a major change is coming to the nation…I think were changing to a 4-5 WR set… Lets open things up and see what’s under the hood…just bought tickets to the Monday Night (Donkey) beat down in denver… I’ll be the guy in the Black Raiders Jersey

  411. dvrick Says:

    The RAIDER QB CAMPBELL’S SOUP isn’t even as good as Jackson so Miller will be just fine.If McFadden goes down you’re done.Pretty SAD when that’s all you got.THUG MENTALITY even fight with your own fans.SEAHAWKS will rule the RAIDERS once again.

  412. WNYRaidersFan Says:

    @ 396, you misspelled your name, BabyDick, there i fixed it. And don’t forget how many Raider greats left the team to try and get an extra season or two before retirement, a la Tim Brown, and thinking your way is why one of the greatest Raiders EVER was disrespected by lack of attendance to his retirement press conference (like 4 people showed up if I remember right).
    Thing is with Miller leaving maybe we can go out and make a push to get a vet OL, and drop a doodie bomb on the 9ers and get Goldson. Like the people in Georgia said bout the leprechaun, I just want the Gold man.

  413. bcz24 Says:

    RAIDERS OAKLAND RAIDERS
    The Oakland Raiders have signed free agent offensive linemen Justin Smiley, Stephon Heyer and Seth Wand.
    2 minutes ago

  414. devilr8er Says:

    TE Kevin Boss’ role can’t be underestimated. Over the past three seasons, 25.5 percent of Boss’ receptions went for 20 or more yards. In addition, 14.6 percent of his receptions over that same period have resulted in touchdowns – both stats ranking boss first among NFL tight ends. Want another reason why Boss is so valuable to an NFL offense? Last year as a pass blocker, he didn’t give up a single quarterback sack.
    The last sentence says it all, get boss now.

  415. JLofty Says:

    Malcolm Floyd and Kevin Boss sounds like money better spent.
    Maybe even be cheaper. Not sure what Boss is looking to make.

  416. raiderinparadise Says:

    jmcclain Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 4:05 pm
    Miller 17 mill guaranteed not worth it seattle can waist money on miller lije that glad the raiders didnt. Sorry peeps but davis is right on this dont waist money on just a few players. Get a good core of players are decent and have this coaching staff make them better.

    _____________________________

    shut the F up. so make Wimbley, Routt and pro-bowler millionaires when they aren’t. Hiram Eugene!? He blocked a punt last year, thats it! Al Davis is not right, he is lucky to have Hue Jackson, who he will fire anyways when he goes 7-9 when its his fault he let them best cliber talent go.

  417. devilr8er Says:

    I hope those weren’t the three players Al was talking about that can be replaced with nnamdi’s money

  418. DKnight007 Says:

    413.bcz24 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    RAIDERS OAKLAND RAIDERS
    The Oakland Raiders have signed free agent offensive linemen Justin Smiley, Stephon Heyer and Seth Wand.
    2 minutes ago

    ^^^^^^^^
    Is this legit? If true, than we have plenty of OLinemen now. Smily and Heyer are good pickups.

    We still need a legit #1 WR or TE though and they need to sign Lofa!

  419. DKnight007 Says:

    415.JLofty Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 4:20 pm
    Malcolm Floyd and Kevin Boss sounds like money better spent.
    Maybe even be cheaper. Not sure what Boss is looking to make.

    ^^^^^^^^
    I’ll stop being pissed about losing Miller ONLY when Floyd and Boss sign!!

  420. crazysandude Says:

    @ Dvrick

    What is the all time win/loss record between the Raiders and Seahawks? The Seahawks are going nowhere fast.

    The Holmgren era was the peak of the Seahawks, and P Carroll is a loser in the NFL. Hell, anyone can coach the deep pockets of USC, just ask Reggie Bush. (or Layne K)

    Anyhow, this isn’t about the Seahawks. They haven’t mattered to the Raiders since leaving the AFC back in 2002.

    Cable + Gallery + Miller isn’t going to help the Seahawks, but nice to see you appreciate the talent the Raiders let go.

  421. GoodOle00 Says:

    Heres WHY we let Miller go

    http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives

  422. r8dercain Says:

    Miller got a 17mil signing bonus 5yr 34 mil deal
    he took the Bronx truck up there with him

  423. r8dercain Says:

    Check that earlier post I meant brinks truck

  424. DKnight007 Says:

    421.GoodOle00 Says:
    August 2nd, 2011 at 4:28 pm
    Heres WHY we let Miller go

    http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives

    ^^^^^^^
    Sounds lame. Trying to be like Rams??

    WTF? The Raiders don’t have Warner at QB and they don’t have Bruce or Holt either at WR!!

  425. Raiders for life Says:

    Seems like the popular vote here says Miller sucked. I enjoyed watching him and thought of him as a clutch player at times. I thought he was a bright spot on the Raiders O. Some people lost faith in Miller last season…I haven’t. The dude is a fkn stud.

    Now then, he is not a Raider anymore so fck him. I don’t wish disability on anyone….but I hope he gets his effin bell rung and sets his status down to league minimum.

  426. crazysandude Says:

    The popular vote is not ‘Miller sucked’. The Raider teams that Miller played on sucked.

    To rewind what countless people have pointed out.. When your TE is the leading receiver your team has a much larger problem.

    Miller earned what he got in Seattle, it just wasn’t in the best interest of the Raiders to pay him that much dough.

    Once a Raider, always a Raider. I hope both Gallery and Miller have pro-bowl years up north. Cause the Seahawks aren’t going to make the playoffs, and certainly are not a threat to the Raiders season.

  427. dvrick Says:

    Funny how you bash a player when he leaves but if he would of stayed you’d be saying he was one of the best T.E. in the game.Just remember what you said when you thought he was staying.The best receiver you had!!We gotta resign him no matter what!Says a lot about RAIDER FANS!!

  428. dvrick Says:

    GO SEAHAWKS!!! ALL RAIDER FANS LOVE THE SEAHAWKS!!!!!

  429. Teflon30 Says:

    It sucks to see nnamdi and Zach go, we’ve followed there careers from their inception so it’s only natural to have some feelings of aprehension and attachment seeing the depart…but let us not forget these guys were part of a horrible team culture that accepted losing, great players make the guys around them better (ex. Richard Seymour). It was time to get the guys who are just collecting a check and don’t give a rats a$$ out (gallery, nnamdi, miller). I say to them best of luck. Now let’s get excited about the guys that are still on the roster and that want to be Raiders.

  430. PA-RAIDER Says:

    Bye bye Zach into obscurity!!! The lowlife Seahawks….take the money and run. Never to be heard from again……

  431. dvrick Says:

    Now if you want to talk about SCRUB QB’S thats right up your alley!That’s all you’ve had for a long time.J.RUSSELL GREAT NO.1 PICK.By the way,what did you get for MOSS?

  432. dvrick Says:

    It’s alright,if you want to root for the SEAHAWKS we’ll let you.Can’t really blame you for dumping on your team it’s a real reality shock when you realize your team is regressing just like your owner.Maybe Paul Allen or BILL GATES will buy the RAIDERS and move them to PORTLAND.Would be the best possible answer so the RAIDERS won’t become extinct!

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