Satele returns to Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, August 2nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders have confirmed the signing of of tackle Stephon Heyer, guard Justin Smiley and tackle Seth Wand, and added a minor surprise _ the re-signing of center Samson Satele.
Satele was granted unrestricted free agency as a four-year veteran when the new collective bargaining agreement was reached, and thought to be on his way out when the Raiders drafted Stefen Wisniewski in the second round with coach Hue Jackson proclaiming him the starting center.
Last season, Satele started 15 of 16 games in what may have been his best season. He has 59 starts in 63 games over four seasons. With experience at guard, Satele gives the Raiders an option at all three inside positions as well as insurance in case Wisniewski doesn’t develop as quickly as hoped.
Alex Parsons, a practice squad player, has been Oakland’s backup center during recent practice sessions.
The Raiders return to practice at 3:30 p.m. following a morning walkthrough.
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August 2nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
1st!
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
First
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Hate to see Zack go,but go Raiders
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Damn, Satele will start at rg
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Sign Boss and Floyd and the Raiders will be fine, without them they will be relying on glass foot Chaz all year
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
I like signing the big bodies.. Yeah, lets bring Boss in.
CODE BLACK 2011
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Late…
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Did Jerry get his old job back?
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:37 pm
No. Steve will repost all this in about an hour.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Haters Going To Hate Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Sign Boss and Floyd and the Raiders will be fine, without them they will be relying on glass foot Chaz all year
Ideal scenario signing those two plus a healthy Chaz.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:38 pm
CODE BLACK 2011
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Give Steve some credit- 45 mins
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
I think Satele is good insurance/backup.. He did play better last year.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
I wonder what Satele’s deal is, Kreutz is a FA from Chicago, hope we didnt pay that kinda $
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
What a silly old looney man Al and his “management team” are.
They could have signed Miller to a bargain deal before the lockout, but nooooo he waited and Miller felt unappreciated and said bye bye then old man.
Now the old man will overpay for Boss, like he overpaid for Routt and Eugene and even Wimbley. Even though Wimbleys contract is cap friendly.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
Glad Satele is back by the way!
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised if Al feels like the Raiders can get by with Myers, Gordon and Ausberry.
I’d like the Raiders to sign Boss… but I feel like it isn’t going to happen.
The Raiders need to add some weapons on offense for sure if they’re going to make any progress this season.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:47 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
What a silly old looney man Al and his “management team” are.
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That may be so, but it is HueJacks team now, and Hue is going to build a winner. No matter who he has on the roster, he will do it.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
They could have signed Miller to a bargain deal before the lockout, but nooooo he waited and Miller felt unappreciated and said bye bye then old man.
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They tried to sign ZM before the lockout, Miller held out, and then walked for the highest bidder.
“We heard that Miller got an attractive offer from Oakland before the lockout and they apparently thought they were close to a deal as recently as Tuesday.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/zach-miller-tom-cable-helped-bring-me-to-seattle/
the truth is, Miller didn’t want to be a Raider. I suspect Nnamdi didn’t either. They will say whatever to the Media because they don’t want to appear un-loyal, and they know the Raiders won’t say anything. Its a business…Seems like very few guys these days care about their teams.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Satele wants to be a good soldier….im not mad at that
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
YA, maybe Floyd but not Edwards for a playmaker. We already have an athlete who can fly on the field and then drop the ball!
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
While it might be typical that the nfl moves much faster than Al now, it dont bother me in the least cause Hue will have them ready to play………..Period
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Sign Boss and sign Derrick mason
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Don’t hope for any moves by Al, just aint gonna happen. Al already made the only move he needed to when he promoted HueJack to head coach. Only move he needed.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Louis Murphy is going to put all haters in their place in his 3rd year.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Jerry’s back??
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Satele could be a good veteran presence to back up the rookie Wiz!
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
per Aaron Wilson:
Hearing that the clock is ticking for the Ravens to sign WR Malcom Floyd. Other suitors include Vikings, Cardinals, Panthers, Raiders.
August 2nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
I’ll go on record and say that I like Boss. I watched a bunch of Fiant games last year and the guy means business. Big, physical and can catch the ball. I was impressed from what I saw out of him and wonder why the Giants are lagging on signing him back up.
It’s obvious Al want the focus to be on the receivers and not to have a TE leading the team in receptions. I say bring in Boss and let’s call it a day and play some F-in ball.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Fiant = Giant. Damn iPhone autocorrect.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
What’s the priority: Boss or Floyd?
Wanna start Murphy, Chaz and Boss or Floyd, Chaz, and Meyers?
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:03 pm
25. Love it
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
its gona come down to murphy/dhb taking it to another level, if he does(im saying murphy), we good..
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
707raiders Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
@ B@uce, LOL.. congratulations to your grandparents
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Too bad he sponges off of them. They have to take care of his skanky mother, and deadbeat daddy.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Murphy, Chaz and Boss seem to fit the “Build a Bully” model, imo.
CODE BLACK 2011
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
34.KoolKell Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
707raiders Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
@ B@uce, LOL.. congratulations to your grandparents
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Too bad he sponges off of them. They have to take care of his skanky mother, and deadbeat daddy.
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Why are u such a d*ck?
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Coach Davis drafted two O-Linemen, two DB’s and a TE and a WR that was converted to TE, so I got to believe that Coach Davis knows what he is doing. His track record of three SuperBowl wins supports his decisions. I have to believe he has a plan knows what he is doing.
Having said that, it hurts to lose #21 and Miller but we still have basically the same team as last year. A smash-mouth type of football team. We are going to run the ball and our D-Line is IMO the most under rated D-Line in the NFL.
Do I think that we are going to win the SuperBowl? No, but we have a young team and we are building something here. Raiders are headed in the right direction.
CODE BLACK 2011!!!!!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Why are u such a d*ck?
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funny, you never ask Brien that, whose had his handle cancelled 8 times for making threats, whatever.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Load em up! The biggest need on this team is and has been much improved Oline play and it appears Hue and Al know it (finally??). Drafted a couple studs, resign Barnes, and now get as many big dudes in here and see who can earn a spot. I like this.
Build a Bully, Hue!
Go RAIDERS!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:15 pm
That’s a good back up!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Time to sign Houshmandzadeh. DHB needs to be cut, ASAP.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Satele is a very good backup for both C/G and played very well at times last year esp towards the end of the season so this is a quality signing. He needs to put on 10-20 tho..
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Hell ya,no more soft ass Cable walkthrough practice.Hue going to build a bully and RoMac takin his game to a new level and bring that vulgar display of power with Houston and Big Rich the Raiders D in 2011 is goin to be FK’n HOSTILE!!!!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Al’s track record of Super Bowl wins supports his decisions? Al Davis hasn’t won a Super Bowl in 28 years.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Keeping Satele around is a great idea. Wiz2.0 might be great…but might doesn’t add up to anything yet, he’s still a rook with a lot to learn. Hopefully, he’ll be great right out of the gate (hey — it could happen). Satele’s experience could come in very handy…as a mentor and a backup.
See ya later, Zach Miller. If you only knew how to block, you might’ve gotten that deal right here.
Once Zach went a-visiting though, he lost all backing from The Man who signs the checks. Good luck anyway.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
CDE, team biggest need is O-line play?
So, it’s the o-line’s fault the Raiders haven’t had a winning season in nearly a decade?
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Best thing that could happen to the O-line, is if Satele is beaten-out by the younger guys up and down the line. It’s past time to build an O-line that will endure for a few years.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Yeah, it’s good Satele returned.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
HayesDaze, I searched google for expert opinions on Zach Miller’s blocking. Seems the only people anywhere in cyberspace who agree with you that Miller can’t block are die hard Raider fans on blogs. Just can’t seem to find an expert opinion on it. i.e., any reputed analysts, former players, et al.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Burning the midnight oil!… you can take JMac out of the blog, but you can’t take the blog out of JMac!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:30 pm
34.KoolKell Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
707raiders Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
@ B@uce, LOL.. congratulations to your grandparents
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Too bad he sponges off of them. They have to take care of his skanky mother, and deadbeat daddy.
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Man, that is some cold blooded, uncalled for stuff right there.
I know people get into it a little bit here and there on this board but goin’ after another posters momma and daddy seems pretty extreme.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Yeah, I never heard Miller was a deficient blocker either.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Fade2black,
Al Davis has had a reputation of running soft practices long before Cable arrived. Wasn’t this one of the things he and Shannahan clashed over?
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
46. RAIDER
No it’s Al’s and the coaches fault for not building an oline that can win. Since the SB, year after year, oline has been neglected – ever since the Gallery/ Grove draft (disaster) Al has been basically ignoring the oline and the Offenses have sucked, even with decent skill players. We won when we had Pro bowlers on the Oline – Wis/Kennedy/BRobbins, etc. You can’t win without a good/great oline and we have been horrible for a decade now.
At least they drafted a couple dudes and Hue’s been emphasizing it alot in presser – they looked hard at Gaither and now have brought in more dudes so at least its being addressed – wouldn’t be suprised if line was much improved this year and if so, we will win.
Go RAIDERS!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
In fact, as far as expert opinions go, I can only find a link to one saying that Miller is a great blocker. Of course, it was his college coach. But nothing as far as him being a bad blocker, per se. I watch games but I really don’t clue in on blocking. I just watch the ball and the plays unfold. After all, I’m not a coach. Nobody’s paying me to analyze film. lol. So, I have to defer to the experts on this. And as far as I can see, Miller’s blocking isn’t a problem. And he has a great reputation as a receiving tight end, which is important at this level.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm
So, if it takes Al Davis nearly a decade to build an offensive line, wouldn’t you agree that perhaps GENERAL MANAGER might be our biggest need?
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
We get a couple stud guards and solidify the line. DMAC gets 1500, Bush gets 1000. Look out AFC west! You thought last year was a beat down….
Veldheer, Wis2.0 and maybe even Barksdale making pro bowl in next 2 years?
Go RAIDERS!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Bring my neighbor back! And Otto to!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Hayes, take as much time as you need looking for one single link that references any legit expert saying that Miller can’t block. Remember, not one of those goof ball bloggers. A real analyst, former player, etc.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
that was odd, it wasn’t deleted. Huge lag in posts.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
56. RAIDER
Goes without saying.. But if Hue has Al’s ear and he’s getting grinders up front I’ll take it..
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Everything I ever heard or read said Zack was a good blocker.Only on here was it said he isn’t.But it really isn’t a surprise the old guy wouldn’t sign him.After all,he traded D.Casper and R.Chester-Chester during his prime.Unfortunately,IMO,he thinks TEs are easily replaced,yet it took us years before we found one that was worth a damn.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:44 pm
So, HayesDaze doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Figures.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
We all watch every game. Overall Zach was a great pass catcher, but not a great blocker – his blocking was ‘ok’ probably a bit below average. It would have been great for him to return but lets face it, Seattle overpaid. And they didn’t even need a TE. In any case, we saved $34 mil and lets build the Oline up with that cash! If we can get 2500 yards on the ground Zach will not be missed.
Go RAIDERS!
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Before i go to sleep its almost 2am here:
Qb:JC
Hb:Mac/Bush
Fb:Reese
TE:Boss
Wr:Chaz,Murph,12
OL:Veldeer/Wiz/Satele/Coop/Barksdale
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Were good
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
CDERaider,
Can you find a link anywhere on the internet which has one single expert who agrees with your opinion on Miller’s blocking?
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm
We have a QB whose nicknames Captain Checkdown.We’d better have a strong plan B.Also,Sanders loves to utilize the TE.I doubt Myers is equal to Miller in any facet of the game.Gordon is nothing more than a Tackle playing the position and Ashberry is a rookie who is being converted from WR and will have to learn the blocking aspect of the position.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Yes, we all watch the games. But sometimes we tend to see what we want to see, instead of seeing what’s happening. And I can’t find one single NFL expert analyst who says that Miller can’t block. In fact, I can only find praise by experts. The only people I can find that say he can’t block are Raider fan bloggers. Good guys, I’m sure. But zero credibility.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Al may have dodged a big one here: What may seem on paper like a organiztional downgrade at player personel this year, may in fact be the biggest spike in team preparedness the Raiders have ever met.
While it appears that Al Davis may be doing little to next to nothing, letting key players walk, not going after big name FAs’, he has already done more than he has in recent years combined.
While I wont get into the financial structures and cap nonesense, what Al has done first and foremost was can Cable and replace him with Hue Jackson. While Cable canning may or may not have been justified, who better in the wings than Hue.
Al contracted the guys he wanted before the lockout and that is all that needs to be said. If Aso were to stay, it would have been because that is what Al wanted. He probably saw Zach Miller as someone who is softening up and Al wanted no part of it.
When Al got Hue, Al got a bully-builder. And bringing on Woodson, Wiz, and Biekert was flat out bold.
Al has already done all the work he needs to do. He hired Hue as head coach.
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Some of these posters don’t seem to understand. Fans cheer for laundry. You’re cheering for the jersey, not the guy wearing it.
Gannon was a chief, Rod Woodson was a Steeler, Romanowski was a bronco. When they were wearing silver and black, you forgot all about it and cheered for them. The last team Tim Brown played for was the Bucs. Stabler played for the Oilers and the Saints after he left the Raiders.
Zach and nnamdi were great Raiders. The Radiers didn’t value them as much as other teams and now they’ll be great Seahawks/eagles. Doesn’t make them punks, it’s just the reality of the NFL. (Especially for the Raiders since they are run by a man who has been suffering from dementia for years.).
Cheer for the guys in black, cheer against the guys in blue/red/yellow and dont stress over the rest. (Cause I promise, the guys on the field could care less who is signing the check, as long as it clears)
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
post51,agree with you,period!mano on mano,leave the parents,wives out of the post,IMO
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
No_body just takes the fun right out of all this bantering. I may as well go to bed now.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Troll — We all know what Zach’s weakness is (besides wanting to play for Seattle)…it’s his blocking. You say you watch the games…if that’s true, you know you’re twisting the truth just for an argument. Cahse that stinky tail.
Zach Miller has great hands, and an uncanny ability to find open space to catch the ball. Coming o0ut of college, his blocking skills were a noted deficiency…and they didn’t improve much while here. Did I want him to leave? No. Is he a top-level blocker? Not even close.
I wouldn’t be surprised to find the young kids are better blockers than Zach, right out of the gate.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
“When Al got Hue,Al got a bully builder”.I hope you are correct,but I’d like to see some results before crowning HJ the next Lombardi.Talk is cheap,I’ll wait to see the results.Don’t get me wrong,I want nothing more than great success from Hue,but I need to see the results.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
74. Last year was a glimps at what he can do.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:03 pm
lol. So basically, 00Raider00, Al did a good job this year by not signing anybody because at least he didn’t sign a bunch of duds, like in recent years. Got ya.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
jmackraider16 Says:
Before i go to sleep its almost 2am here:
Qb:JC
Hb:Mac/Bush
Fb:Reese
TE:Boss
Wr:Chaz,Murph,12
OL:Veldeer/Wiz/Satele/Coop/Barksdale
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I will pray that Michael Bush and Kevin Boss are on the team come Thursday! Don’t count your chickens until they are hatched.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Guys they are doing things they feel they need to do Miller has had some concussion issues and has battled injuries. I said this before he was signed that he better get in camp because these kids could open some eyes. Apparently Mr Davis saw something he liked whether we like it or not he likes it. He could’ve easily signed Zack, why didn’t he??? huh?
I’m telling ya’ he wasn’t that high on Zack, sure he would’ve kept him for the right price but did you see that price tag? I don’t think so he wnated to pay that or Zack would be a Raider. Just like Cable said “I thought they would’ve signed you by now”. But they didn’t. They meaning HE…
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:07 pm
34.KoolKell Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
707raiders Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
@ B@uce, LOL.. congratulations to your grandparents
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Too bad he sponges off of them. They have to take care of his skanky mother, and deadbeat daddy.
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Man, that is some cold blooded, uncalled for stuff right there.
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And you know this, or you just tryin to be funny? Some comments are better left not commented.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:08 pm
HayesDaze,
“We” all know that Miller can’t block?
Who’s “we”?
I can’t find one quote from any expert saying so, just some blogs from Raider fans. Amateurs. Not real journalists, zero credibility.
Hayes, did you disappear for about a half hour because you were trying to find a link to any expert that agrees with you on Miller? lol. Of course you were. And, of course you didn’t find one. Then you came back with the convenient cop out, ‘everyone knows it’. No, everyone does not know it. The experts evidently do not concur. As far as I can see, the belief that Zach Miller can’t block is more Raider fan nonsense.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:08 pm
In this league you cna’t blink because there are 5 guys waiting for you to misstep. These kids they drafted are opening eyes in camp. From DMoore to Aus they are opening eyes and that is all it takes for a vet to get a pink slip.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:09 pm
RAIDER Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:03 pm
lol. So basically, 00Raider00, Al did a good job this year by not signing anybody because at least he didn’t sign a bunch of duds, like in recent years. Got ya.
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Spin it how you like, I’ll let Hue do the talkin…………
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
You didn’t let Hue do the talking with that previous comment, 00Raider. That was one long winded, b.s. spin for Al’s inability to hold his team together this off season.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm
RAIDER Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
You didn’t let Hue do the talking with that previous comment, 00Raider. That was one long winded, b.s. spin for Al’s inability to hold his team together this off season.
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Hue will be doin the talkin come season.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm
2011 Training Camp Day 5
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Posted Aug 1, 2011
Oakland Raiders – Tony Gonzales
Defensive line coach Mike Waufle says “good job” to NT Derrick Hill.
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to NT Derrick Hill.
from the raiders website in the photo section.
cant wait to see priest and B@UCE argue about this one now.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
00raider, I agree. Hue will be doing a lot of talking this season.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Priest,obviously Davis didn’t want to sign him or else he would have.I believe it is a loss,at least in the short term.My beef is all those on here who are now claiming he couldn’t do this or he couldn’t do that because he left.He hasn’t bad-mouthed the org. or the owner,why does everyone have to hate on the guy.He was a good player for us.It happens all the time and I don’t understand it.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
66. RAIDER
Didn’t say he ‘couldn’t block’ – just said he wasn’t known to be great at it, lets face it – Miller was a probowl *alternate* in 2010 – after 4 good, but not great years on a pathetic offense that had to go to the TE more often due to horrible oline and WR play. Having said that, I liked him, wanted him back, but since he left I’m not crying over it, because he’s not *that* great, some are falling apart over this – looking for yet another reason to hate the team and owner and ignore the fact that this is a team on the rise and losing one $34 mill ‘better than avg’ Tight End ain’t gonna change that. Show me a better Oline and better WR play and I’ll take that over having to pay Miller $34 mil contract and I think Meyers, et al is more than capable of picking up the slack anyway.
Go RAIDERS!
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
David Ausberry runs in the 4.4’s @245 lbs. add 10 lbs. and maybe he slows to low 4.5 that is smoking for a TE. Tim Brown played the majority of his career running 4.5 we haven’t had a TE like this kid since Ray Chester. He doesn’t have to be 255 he can play TE @245 there are many that do. Shancoe is 245 but David not just fast he’s athletic he can control his body in the air and adjust. When you see that in camp and he does it over and over that will get someones attention. And it did.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Keeping the running game going with a deep O-line.
Expect
…DMc, Bush(?) & T. Jones to have a good year.
…Better protection for JC
…Chaz, Jacoby & the new TE to more than make up for Zack.
60 rec 685 yd 5 td is very good for a TE but
not impressive numbers for the leading receiver of a team.
I dont think I predicted any Raider moves correctly so,
I’m going to wait & evaluate instead of hoping & guessing.
Sept 3 – 53 man roster
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm
lefty12 Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Priest,obviously Davis didn’t want to sign him or else he would have.I believe it is a loss,at least in the short term.My beef is all those on here who are now claiming he couldn’t do this or he couldn’t do that because he left.He hasn’t bad-mouthed the org. or the owner,why does everyone have to hate on the guy.He was a good player for us.It happens all the time and I don’t understand it.
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I gotcha on this. Didn’t care to see him part ways but its done. I can only believe Hue and his coaches will do a very good job with the guys they got. It is a good coaching staff, and its crunch time.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
66. RAIDER
Scouting report on Miller coming out of AZ. He improved since then but he still has the same M.O.
http://www.warroomreport.com/draft/rankings/te/miller.htm
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
resigning Mr. Satele was very smart on Al & Hue’s part,
this will give the Raiders some continuity on the OLine (even if Barnes & Satele) do not start, it gives us veteran leadership on the bench.
I also like the signing of Mr. Smiley G, and Mr. Heyer T; they have experience and will bring competition to the OLine
Centers:Mr. Wisniewski, Mr. Satele (G), Mr. Parsons (G)
Guards: Mr. Carlisle, Mr. Loper, Mr. Campbell (T), Mr. Smiley, Mr. Pelc, & Mr. Schuening
Tackles: Mr. Vehldeer (C), Mr. Barnes, Mr. Barksdale, Mr. Wand, Mr. Heyer, Mr. Habben, Mr. Eliades, and Mr. Lamaak
this is 17 players competing for 9-12 positions w/Vehldeer LT & Wisniewski C only locks to start (barring a complete meltdown by either one)
Raiders are committed to putting the best OL in the NFL on the field, would still like to see them sign Waters.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:22 pm
CDE,
soooo, despite D’s knowing that our TE was our only non-RB receiving threat, he still produced.
That’s what you’re saying.
And yeah, he blocked for a 1,100 yard rusher. If the o-line gets credit, Zach gets credit.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
CDE Raider..
A team on the rise?
Let’s take a close look at this so called progression:
Tom Cable to Hue Jackson. Tom Cable has coached in this league and finished his most reason season with a .500 record. Hue Jackson has never coached an NFL game (as head coach). Advantage: Cable
Letting Gradkowski walk. Significantly worsens our overall QB roster. Gradkowski was solid as a backup. His replacement is Trent Edwards, who has gotten worse each of the past few years. In the past 2 seasons, Gradkowski is far better than Edwards.
Nnamdi Asomugha to Stanford Routt? That’s so much of a downgrade it actually takes our overall secondary to being one of the best in the league to being one of the worst.
Zach Miller to Brandon Myers. Really, almost as much of a free fall as Nnamdi to Routt. A pro bowl TE (alternate, as you were quick to point out) to a nobody.
Just about every change made to the coaching staff and personnel this off season was a statistical downgrade. The only thing likely to be “on the rise” this year are fans leaving the stadium in the third quarter.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
lefty12
Miller was offered contract but declined..
http://www.csnbayarea.com/08/02/11/Seahawks-sign-TE-Miller-away-from-Raider/l_raiders.html?blockID=545530&feedID=2801
‘Miller said the Raiders were in constant contact with him and made an unspecified offer but acknowledged it would be fair to say Cable’s presence in Seattle was the tipping point in his decision.’
Seattle outbid, bottom line. $34 mil is too much anyway and if he wants to cuddle with Curly than so be it.
Go RAIDERS!
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Raiders held the team together!
We lost only four – six meaningful players
Gradkowski backup QB
Higgins backup WR
Howard backup LB
Gallery starter G
Miller starter TE
Asomugha starter CB
only Nnamdi and Zach were a lock to make the final 53 this season anyway.
We had another excellent draft. Some of the players the Raiders cut this season will be picked up by other teams.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
CODE BLACK 2011
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I don’t know many “good” coaching staffs that win without “great” talent.
Whisenhunt goes from SB to terrible w/o Warner.
Shanahan without Elway.
John Fox without Delhomme’s career years got canned.
Childress without healthy Favre = canned.
ANYONE can coach the Ravens to the playoffs.
ANYONE can coach the Steelers to the playoffs.
NORV TURNER is a playoff coach when given talent.
It’s about the players, specifically the QB. They have them, we don’t.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:29 pm
It’s the wya they react to everything they don’t like Lefty12. It doesn’t surprise me he deserted them as they it. Truth is Mr D. was gonna break him off, simple as that. It is what it is I liked Zack a lot and definitely wante dhim to stay but I said before he needed to get in camp before these kids opened the eyes of the only man that counts. And I was right….
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Lefty, I’ve always been amazed that even though the Raiders are supposed to be a “players’ organization”, where the players are treated the way “they’d like to be treated” (-Al Davis), at how quickly so many Raider fants will just trash players after they leave here.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
What’s this “code black” thing I keep seeing?
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
I’m more concerned with the Oline Zack was important but I want this line to get better and better. If that happens we can live with the loss of Zack. Because as did Zack one of these TE’s will develope and be good. How soon is the issue but we have a vet in Myers if we didn’t have him YEAH I’d be worried but he knows the offense and he not all that bad.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
RR,
we “only” lost a Pro-Bowl CB and Pro-Bowl tight end?
And replaced them with…speedy rookies? You can’t really think we’re better, right?
Our team was 2-8 outside our weak division, and we’ve gotten worse.
That’s it.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Alex, good example, Norv in SD. Before SD Norv had a reputation for being a horrible coach who belonged upstairs calling plays. Suddenly he’s a HC for a guy who actually knows how to build a team in this league, and his weaknesses become attributes.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
This the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time. The NBA sued the players citing unfair pressure tactics in bargaining……….LOL I don’t think I’ve EVER seen a league sue it’s players for unfair pressure tactics.
The players have the owners backed into a corner and they’re ready to holla “Uncle”. LOL
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
post #95
wrong
coach- Hue is the reason the Raiders gained over 500 yards of offense 3 times last season and we reached .500, w/o Jackson the Raiders with only Cable are in the Newton/Peterson sweepstakes.
backup QB- the Raiders and every other team do not go as far as the backup qb takes- this team will rise as far as Mr. campbell takes us.
CB- I give you that one though you are being extreme when you say we will have one of the worst DB sets in the league-our Magificent Seven will be sacking QBs at an unprecedented rate anway 70 sacks/over 10% of pass plays.
TE- this one we will find out, Mr. Myers same type of TE (now will have the same reps as Zach if he starts), Mr. Reece has great hands and breaks downfield with experience as a WR and FB, he could easily adjust to TE, Mr. Ausberry & Mr. Gordon are athletic freaks aka Vernon Davis/Shannon Sharp types they have the potential to be as good as the best, Zach was very good and that was his plateau.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Myers looked stiff and slow last year. He’s not going to require much attention from opposing D coordinators. Curious what others saw in him that makes him a decent fall-back option.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I’ll bet you the players f’n love Norv Turner in SD. Bet you he’s probably the most popular coach in the league with his own team, if they were to run some kind of poll. He’s the perfect balance to that dickk GM over there. But that GM is smart and knows football players. Norv being the all around nice guy that draws the plays works well over there.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
RaiderRetribution, just come up with some kind of proof that Hue is the reason for our improvement last year, and I’ll accept your argument.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:43 pm
RR,
we gained those 500 yards against the Cardinals, Seahawks, and Broncos. Let’s settle down a bit.
We play real teams like the Jets, Bears, Vikings, and Packers this year.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Long time reader, first time poster and I felt like I need to get in on the ruckus this season since I’ve got my tix against the Pats!
IMO not happy to see Miller go but I am trusting that Hue and Al have some talent in the wings to replace him. I have a feeling that our strong backfield will open space for our Receivers and they are ready to BALL!
I cant wait to see the squad on the field with a nasty smashmouth style, Look out the Silver and Black are on the way to the top! CODEBLACK!
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
95. RAIDER
Cable->Hue. Cable was not fired, he was not given a contract extension. Hue was and is the better choice moving forward. Hue’s offense was the reason for 8-8 last year and everyone knew it. Cable was 17-27 as Raiders head coach, you simply can’t reward that with a new contract. After 4 practices this season, the team is sharper, quicker and rallying around Hue much more than Cable, just read the daily blog and camp reports from Jerry and Steve and its starting to look like a brilliant move. Advantage: Hue
Gradkowski. Couldn’t stay healthy and his W/L record stinks. Didn’t want to be here as a backup this year and now has a chance to compete at Bengals. Boller and Edwards both have more experience and better records than him as starters. Advantage: Raiders
Nhamdi. Was offered the Routt contract before season ended and didnt take it – was then given to Routt because he finished in top 3 in NFL on burn rate and is a solid starter. We could not afford to have both starting CB’s as FA’s and lose them both potentially. Nhamdi was leaving no matter what plus it cost $60 mill to get him which we didn’t have anyway. Routt is a good player, solid leader in the locker room and has improved every year. I like him and CJ back there starting both have alot of experience and can make plays (both had multiple picks and each had pick 6’s last year – Nhamdi 2 ints in 2 years? please..). RWood will bring up the rooks. Safeties are set. We are more than ok in secondary. Disadvantage: Tebow
Zach Miller – already made my point. Seattle overpaid and we simply couldn’t match, plus he likes to rub on Cable too much anyway.
Coaching staff – Are you kidding me? Al Saunders, multiple Super Bowls as OC? Bresnehan (sp?) was our DC during the last Super Bowl runs. Wis is a super smart technician with tons of street cred. RWood is a HOFer?? Seriously, we improved across the board on the coaching staff…
time to hit the sack, enjoyed it.. ttyl
Go RAIDERS!!!
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:46 pm
lol at 7th round Ausberry being compared to a freak athlete like V. Davis, and not a freak athlete like…say…Rickey Dudley or Teyo Johnson.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Alex –
Raider fans were ready to send Nnamdi packing after his first couple of uneventful seasons, then he became the best shutdown man to man coverage cornerbackwho also makes tackles in the run game in the NFL the past 4 years ot so.
Nnamdi is not being replaced by speedy rookies he is being replaced by Mr. Routt, Al knows cornerbacks even though he has not been consistent with safeties, last great one was Mr. Van McElroy.
as for Zach read #107 and what we need is for our WRS to step up, when they do the TE position will not be that important, if they do not, the passing game will be irrelevant.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
95.
Cable never reached .500 w/o Jackson on staff
Gradkowski can walk? How long will that last? Not 16 weeks.
DBs improved depth & speed
Chaz, Ford V12 & new TE will cover Zacks stats
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
CDE, Hue being the “better choice” is an opinion shared by those who put faith (and perhaps delusion) over facts. Because according to facts, Cable has far more head coaching experience, and watched a team improve by 3 wins in his most recent season as head coach. Results aside, Hue could be the better choice. Results considered, Hue can’t even be considered to be a better choice because he’s never been a head coach, and he’s being compared to someone who at least took a 5-11 team to 8-8 in his most recent season.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:49 pm
CDE,
you did watch our secondary get lit up without Nnamdi last year in Pittsburgh and vs Miami right? You’re comfortable now with them facing Brady, Rodgers, and Cutler? Come on, be real. It’s a big step down.
We lost two of our top five players, bringing in nothing even remotely close in return.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
True, Cable never reached .500 without Jackson on staff. One could also point out that Al Davis never won a Super Bowl without players that Ron Wolf helped select. Oh, and I’ll raise you. Ron Wolf HAS won a Super Bowl without Al Davis’s help.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Boss is the only answer. How can some of you say the raiders can get by with Myers, Gordon and Ausberry. Do I have to remind you of Courtney Alexander, Teyo Johnson, Doug Jolley and Rickey Dudley. You cant just plug someone in there.
Code: Know your football
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:53 pm
The fortyniners loss Aubrayo Franklin now they’re gonna see just how good Pat Willis really is. Because he’s going to have to fight off Olineman now more than he ever has. Pat is pissed I gaurantee it….
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
RR, Routt is NOT replacing Nnamdi. They were often on the field at the same time last year.
We play the Patriots, Bears, Vikings, Packers, and Lions (3-WR offenses).
We’re going from Nnamdi, Routt, and C.Johnson
to
Routt, Johnson, and Walter McFadden.
Honestly, we replaced Nnamdi with Walter McFadden.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Alex you are correct they could end up as a Dudley or tey, but they have upside as well, Zach is Zach/ better than Carlson,not as good as Gates & Gonzales nor will he be.
He is in that Owens/Boss/Shockey/Olsen class; will never be lousy will never be all-pro.
He will always be a pro-bowl alternate;
Raiders do not want 8-8, Raiders do not desire to be (”We’re not losers anymore”), Raiders do want to settle for pro-bowl alternates,
Raiders demand all-pro caliber performance, Hall of Fame competition, Nnamdi was the only one we lost that fit that criteria.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Just because the previous TE’s failed has nothing to do with the kids they have there now. No we all agree it wont be easy but you don’t know how good these kids will be. Just wait and watch it’ll all playout. No one knows!!
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
SharkCatcher,
thank you for your common sense
This team has gotten worse since last year, has a terrible QB with a life-long losing record, the worst WR corp in the division, projects at C, TE, RG, and RT, a horrendous run D that has been ignored, and a cool coach.
Oh, and a brutal schedule. 7-9 tops. Please accept it.
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
Priesttj,
how has it all played out the last decade putting faith on fast 40 times, athleticism, reclamation projects, and young up-and-comers?
That’s what we have across the O-line, TE, WR, CB, and QB position. History says…no.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 am
of those 3-wr offenses only one, the Vikings has a runningback that could run all over us.
our problem is not stopping the pass it is stopping the run
we lost to SF, Jax, Hou, & Tenn because we could not stop the run
our Oline will be so much better than it has been other teams will be playing catch up only Suh & Fairly give me concern
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
Common sense tells me 9-7 actually.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
RR, seriously?
A guy is a Pro-Bowl alternate, you let him go for unproven guys that haven’t even flashed anything at the NFL level, and you say it’s ok because we won’t settle for pro-bowl alternate level talent?
In that case, release Jason Campbell, our WRs, our LBs, and our safeties. Oh, and our O-line.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 am
Darren Mcfadden and the front 7 will take us home.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 am
Brandon Myers TE Iowa
STRENGTHS
Brandon is an excellent blocking TE when blocking for the run or the pass. He has good hands and can catch the ball down the field without a problem. He has quick feet and is a better pass blocker than most of the LT’s in this draft. Brandon has an edge to his game. He likes, and steps up to, a challenge. He shows a lot of pride in blocking and should be a fan favorite and core player for the team that drafts him.
NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Well, he has some off field issues and runs lousy routes. Brandon must take as much pride in route running as he does when blocking. If, and when, he does, he could turn into a Pro Bowl TE. Right now, he reminds me a lot of Mark Chmura (former TE Green Bay Packers). Mark was drafted in the sixth round of the 1992 draft and turned himself into a hell of a TE. He also ruined his career with some off field problems. All I can say is, “Buyer beware!”
TALENT BOARD ROUND 3
When you find a TE who loves to block, you draft him — no questions asked. Brandon does have good hands and if he decides to run better routes, he will become a hell of a TE. For this draft, you select Brandon because he is one of the best blocking TE’s in this draft. Brandon has some maturity problems. You can see that in his play on the field because he challenges his opponents and loses respect for his opponents as the game goes on. It looks to me like some smart NFL player could bait Brandon into making mistakes and frustrating him easily. But as long as Brandon can block, then all his frustrations will go away. Right now, Brandon is a developmental TE who has excellent blocking ability along with the athletic talent to be a Pro Bowl TE at the next level. I don’t know what round Brandon will be drafted in, but I do know that if I interviewed him and he satisfied my concerns then I would draft him. Look for Rob’s board (Value Board) to watch where this kid is rated because he could be a sleeper TE in this draft.
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Alex7 Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Myers looked stiff and slow last year. He’s not going to require much attention from opposing D coordinators. Curious what others saw in him that makes him a decent fall-back option.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
Boss is the only answer…Three new linemen to compete.. I love it.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
Shark, we’re likely losing to the Jets, Patriots, Texans (again), Vikings, Bears, Dolphins (again), and Packers.
Honestly, it’s very likely that’s 7 losses. Sure, we might surprise one of those teams, but we also will lose a few in our division (going 6-0 back to back years is downright delusional).
Detroit is also a better team than us right now, and we typically lose east coast early games like the one in Buffalo this year.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:08 am
Violent, so you agree he’s stiff and mainly a blocker? Not sure what pulling up some Joe Schmoe draft profile of him entails.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 am
4- 2 in the division.. The raiders will beat the jets…”are you scared of them? cause we sure arent “– Hue.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:13 am
DMac and the front 7 did nada vs legit D’s like the Steelers, Dolphins, Colts, 49ers, and Titans.
Congrats, they fattened up against the Seahawks, Cardinals, Rams, and weak afc west.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:13 am
This “alternate pro bowler” argument on Miller is cracking me up. As if it supports the argument of letting him go. Yeah, he was only an “alternate” pro bowler, as opposed to the rest of our TEs, who are all true pro bowlers!
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 am
lol, Jets kicked our a$$es two seasons ago, just like the Patriots did, and the Giants embarrassed us, as did the Saints, and Falcons, the Steelers last year…
heck
what was the last legit non-Afc west team we beat?? Think we squeaked by the Eagles and Bengals the last two years. We’re like 2-10 vs legit teams the last few years.
We’re not beating the Jets, Patriots, or Packers.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:19 am
119. Ron Wolf is a great GM. Great hire by Al Davis. I expect to say the same thing about Hue Jack City.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 am
Raider,
every single season, guys get all excited about how the same scrubs that sucked last year will suddenly turn the corner.
We have no run defense.
We have no run defense.
We have no run defense. Rinse, repeat, 2003-2011.
We play Peterson, Foster, Jets and Patriots running attack, Peyton Hillis, and Matt Forte. Things will get ugly.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 am
RaiderJ,
as proven throughout history, great coaches with below average talent…lose.
below-average coaches with great talent/QBs…win.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 am
I remember when I was a kid the Raiders were good every year, Alex. By 2001 I was getting that feeling, again. Going into the season knowing we’d be good. Not believing we could be good, knowing we will be. There’s a difference. Haven’t had that feeling in a long time. And I don’t have it now.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 am
Nite capper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpPJ6X1wjIE&feature=related
THE RAIIIIDAAARSS! Nobody says it better than Berman.
More of this coming this season. Get ready Nation! Can’t wait for opening night! Tom Jackson going to eat sh)t again
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:25 am
yeah, back then we had real nfl players like Gannon, the Charles and Rod Woodson, Eric Allen, Romo, Parella, Sam Adams, William Thomas, Greg Biekert, Eric Turner, Tim Brown, Jon Ritchie…
football players, not 40-times.
We had a G.M., an organization.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:29 am
Alex, I remember telling the whiner fans here in Sac back in those days that Al Davis had finally learned his lesson, like Steinbrenner with the Yanks. They’d all laugh and warn me that he would run Gruden out. I didn’t think there was any way he could be so stupid. One way or another, Al Davis will remind you he’s still Al Davis.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:32 am
It has been NINE seasons since the Raiders began 1-0.
Nine seasons.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:35 am
The last few seasons I reminded people in here how pivotal week one is to the Raiders. I did some googling and found out that since like the late ’80s, the Raiders wound up making the playoffs when winning game one, and missing the playoffs when losing game one, every single season except for maybe two. Just about every single year, week one determines if the Raiders are for real. Week one is the Super Bowl for the Raiders. When they lose that game, they just die. Al starts tinkering with everything. It’s a mess from that point on.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:37 am
yeah, Gruden wins SB, Gruden makes playoffs twice more after that, Raiders hire Art Shell straight from his NFL job of telling 23-year olds to wear their NFL socks correctly…hire bread and breakfast guy, refuse to let Monty Kiffin coach our defense, bring in 3-4 defensive coordinator and force him to run 4-3, draft Russell against head coach’s wishes…
good times.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:37 am
just like when Kiffin lost to detroit game 1
art shell- san diego -
Hue JACKSON– KILL THE DONKEYS!
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 am
It’s too bad about Miller. Seems entirely unnecessary and just a consequence of Al not being who he used to be.
Looks like he waited too long and then lowballed the guy.
Millers a real good tight end but if he’s gone then he’s gone.
Myers was drafted because of his blocking abilities and he’s still there. Boss would be good too.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 am
THe Raiders are building a physical back two basics football team.
No more emphasis on defensive backs and soft players.
The Raiders will run the football +55% of the time and run the hell out of DMAC and Bush. Something they should have done years ago!
Front 7 is the focus…not diminutive defensive backs. Pay Seymour, Kelly, Wimbley, Houston, Shaughnessy and McClain….sign Tatupu and you have a BEAST defense….developing the young NT and Henderson is healthy.
Pressure the QB….and it doesn’t matter who is in the defensive backfield….mike mitchell to add more lumber.
Running Oklahoma Drills in the 1st week!
CODE BLACK! Its all about running the ball, stopping the run and hitting people in the mouth.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 am
141. Raiders were inconsistent and too often unimpressive and finished 6-0, 8-8. The division is weak. Its fair to believe that this team will be in contention for the AFC west title.
Raiders swept whoever else is considered the favorite, KC?
Highly regarded coach with highly regarded talent.
Winning determines the greatness
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:51 am
The only mistakes Davis has made is:
1. Wasting time drafting Defensive Backs/WR/TE in the 1st two rounds
2. Too many free agent signings that didn’t fit a smashmouth back to basics football style
3. Not getting compensation for Nnamdi & Miller
But who cares…at the end of the day Davis and Hue are building the type of team that will never get physically punked…
Run the Ball and stop the run..mix in playaction….physical football…no excuses
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:53 am
I dunno, SnB.
We TRIED running the ball all the time when Jamarcus was here. We just drafted a bunch of cornerbacks and no defensive run-stuffing beef.
We tried running it on the Titans, Niners, Colts, Steelers, and Dolphins to no avail. We lost our best lineman.
I dunno. Seems like the same ol’ same ol’ when it comes down to our roster.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:54 am
For someone who thinks we don’t need DB’s here’s a clue. we drafted TWO DB”s both VHT from great programs. So much for no more DB’s and we’ll always draft DB’s we always have and we always will………….period
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:55 am
No way you can win in this league with bad DB’s and it’s hieght of naievity to think so.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 am
lol, so Davis is building a smash-mouth football team, except that he really isn’t. That’s what 153 says, right?
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:58 am
Raidr J This is not a weak division it’s rather strong outside of Denver. But we showed we can beat any of them and do it rather handily now it’s a matter doing it on a consistent basis. The seconmd game we basically dominated SD. The same is true with KC both playoff calibre teams.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:01 am
Yes Priestt,
drafting Fabian Washington, Buchanon, John Bowie, Schweigert, Darnell Bing, Michael Huff, and Tyvon Branch has been a very solid strategy to turn this team around.
That’s exactly how the Patriots, Steelers, Jets, Falcons, Eagles, and Saints do it.
Oh wait, no. They draft QBs, DL, and OL.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:02 am
WHy wouldn’t Al offer Miller a contract? Because Al’s feelings were hurt when he fired Cable. Don’tyou remebr players being unhappy about that and voicing it. That is stubborness for ya!
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:03 am
forgot the Ravens (Ngata, Suggs, Flacco, Oher, Cody, Kindle).
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:08 am
Show me a team with bad corners and I’ll show you a bad team.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:09 am
The Chiefs last year beat the Browns, 49ers, Jaguars, Seahawks, Bills, Cardinals, Rams, and Broncos to get to the playoffs.
NO ONE thought they were legit.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:12 am
priesttj Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:54 am
For someone who thinks we don’t need DB’s here’s a clue. we drafted TWO DB”s both VHT from great programs. So much for no more DB’s and we’ll always draft DB’s we always have and we always will………….period
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You can draft all the DBs you want…just not in the 1st round!
As Davis has seen, there are DBs to be found in the mid-to late rounds…
Priest, the Raiders are trying to get physical this year…Davis has moved dollars to the front 7…PERIOD
As for the offense, the running game is and has always been the strength of this team. DMAC is elite..and when Bush gets 10+ carries…good things happen. Hue will get passes to DMAC, Bush and Reese.
Unfortunately, Cable didin’t like Bush…but his backside was put on the road
The Raiders have been getting physically manhandled because of guys like Derrick Burgess on the D-Line….not anymore….bigger guys up front, smashmout running.
The passing game will fill in where needed
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:13 am
priesttj Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:08 am
Show me a team with bad corners and I’ll show you a bad team.
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What did this overpaid secondary do for this team the last 10 years.
Stopping the run is the key to winning. Stop the run sets up obvious down and distance. Then unleash the pass rush…don’t need great corners…just competent ones…Routt and CJ fit the bill..although Routt was overpaid
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:14 am
The Ravens STARTED Chris Carr, Fabian Washington, and Josh Wilson last year at cornerback.
There. Those guys are nothing special. Done.
It’s the O-line, D-line, and QB.
We’ve ignored 2/3rds of that simple equation that everyone else seems to understand.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:16 am
SnB,
didn’t we have the exact same front 4 last year?
And we got run through like soft tissue.
We have four pass-rushers, and one legit run-stopper (Shaughnessy).
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:18 am
Pats, Steelers, Eagles, Packers.
QBs and D-Coordinators.
We have neither. False hope until we get real at those two crucial positions.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:19 am
SnB the only reason we didn’t draft a DB in the 1st rnd is we didn’t have a 1st rnd pick to do so. The only thing Mr Davis draft in the 1st are player he feels are game changers and corners definitely. He wanted Jimmy Smith and would’ve taken him. The only thing he would’ve taken over him is the bets LT in the draft. SnB if you don’t think he’ll draft a corner in the 1st rnd you’re dreaming. DB’s keep you in games son. This is a passing league and without them you don’t have a chance in hell…………..period
Get a clue son.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:21 am
SnB You hav a lot to learn man, we haven’t had a QB who could put up points when we need them. That was the difference in last year and that will be the difference this year.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:21 am
SnB, so, if we don’t pressure the QB, we’re screwed. Basically, if our opponents catch wind of the fact that we have no corners, they can just max protect…and we’re screwed.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:22 am
Add to that we’ll be in man coverage. A dream come true for an offense that’s max protecting.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:24 am
SnB, what did the overpaid secondary do the past 10 years? In Nnamdi’s case? He shut down his side of the field, and forced QBs to throw to the other side.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:26 am
Yeah well Routt is one of tghe better corners in this league SnB you are contradicting yourself. You must have DB’s that can handle the top rec’s in this league if you don’t you cannot win…………period
You need both a pass rush and a backend to help your pass rush or the QB will carve you to bits. This is the NFL it aint college you must cover the CJ’s and Larry Fitzgeralds of the world or you’ll get killed.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:28 am
Wow, priest. A rare dose of realism in your comments tonight. Did Al fire you, or something?
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:30 am
Stop the run and put the opponent in obvious passing situations….
The run defense should improve with a more experienced McClain and a healthy John Henderson.
Still need another linebacker….Tatupu would be a fantastic pick and good use of the money that would have gone to Miller…..and have a much bigger impact.
Look, the wide receivers etc…have a ways to go. But the running game is here now. Exploit your strengths!
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:31 am
The Raiders play man defense…its impossible for the CBs to hang in their very long.
Its always been about the pass rush!
And your secondary gave up some 28 TD passes last year…so how good was it?
Stop the run!
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:32 am
158. I say the AFC west is weak because the elite AFC teams are in the other divisions. From the bottom up the north or south may be weaker but I don’t believe that the Raiders could win any division other than the west. SD hasn’t proven to among the top AFC teams without LaDanian. KC has to prove that they can handle a division champ schedule. “winable” may be a better term
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:35 am
The passing game is not really built for 30+ attempts and all that. The Raider receivers have not demonstrated to date they can take on the task of having a pass 1st offense.
“cutting it loose” was a disaster. This “should” be a run 1st offense, mixing in a lot of screens and taking a few strikes down the field.
Defense keeps the Raiders in the game and play the field position game.
You guys play too many video games…..grind it out!
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:37 am
I hope they go “Jumbo Package” more times.
Get a big blocking TE that can get maybe 2 or 3 catches a game….DMAC and Bush will crack a couple if the Raiders stay oommitted to it.
The Oklahoma Drills are a HUGE upgrade over 4 days of “Walk Throughs”
Build a Bully!
CODE BLACK!
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:37 am
We just lost our best and surrest hands on the team by far. I barely ever remember Miller dropping a pass thrown his way that was catchable (I remember it happening twice and both times it was such a shock everyone was not sure what to say).
We’re losing our quality players and trying to replace them with…well…unproven fast players with a hope of an upside because of their size/speed ratio.
I think our defense will be viscious this year. We still have a lot of breakaway threats on offense and hopefully with DMC we can get some consistency on moving the chains as well.
I just don’t know who I’d try to throw to on 3rd down. Probably McFadden as he’s probably our next best set of hands on the team.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:48 am
Okay, anyone can give me a “Logical” reason that Al Davis did not even try to resign Miller or Nnamdi? From what it seems like Al didn’t even try with them.
He basically uncerimoniously dumped them. It seemed both wanted to come back per their interviews afterwards. And I think both were a hellova lot more deserving of new contracts than Routt or even Wimbley.
We’re losing our consistant players who can be counted on. The only ones who I think we have still that are really Solid (not highlight play once and then huge miss the next) are on our D-Line (all 4 of them actually) and RB.
I wouldn’t call any of our WRs consistent. Ford came along best. The others either injured often or miss way too many catches.
Our QB we’re hoping will improve after a 2nd year in the system.
Our O-line is now patchwork pretty much. Probably the person everyone wanted to leave is now our most consistent O-linemen.
TE? Pray to god now that they don’t drop the 3rd down pass.
On Defense…the D-Line is rock-solid. AFter that McClain has the potential, and probably will be at that level. The other two LBs are not elite. Our Safeties will miss a ton of plays (maybe goes with the position). Routt is likely to give up a big play or two a game. CJ is probably the most stable out of our back 4 right now.
It’s not a pretty thing. Now, that being said, I can still see us matching or improving on our win total from last year as I think that there is a change in point of view from the team and they are going to maximize the talent from each player and put them in positions to do what they do best. It’s just a damned shame we waste all that money and not get our 2 best free agents back (well, maybe two out of the 3 as Seymour was resigned).
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:53 am
i’ve never posted here but u guys need to recognize al davis knows what he’s doing. he’s a HOFer and one of the greatest football minds ever. nahmdi was way too expensive for a 30 yr old CB. the raiders aren’t going to win the super bowl this year. and aso has about 3 or 4 good years left. routt is younger and has developed into a very good corner. and we have 4 young cb’s to try to beat out CJ. miller was a good, even very good te but not great. he was not in the class of gonzalez or gates. he was an ok blocker w/ good hands who got open. a possession receiver. not a redzone target. not a gamechanger. as raider fans, we have been happy to love guys who were good b/c that’s all we had. miller was one of my favs but he was slightly overrated by raider fans. the wr’s/qb have a chance to breakout this year. campbell played well down the stretch last year and this is his 1st year in college or pros that he has had the same offense for 2 years. he sometimes looked slow to react but that may change as he knows more instictively what to do.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:56 am
the running game will be very good again. the passing game has a real chance to emerge. the DL should be dominant. the LB’s much better w/ more experience. the DB’s have a chance to be very good. it could be a good year.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:57 am
CODE BLACK 2011. !!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 2:02 am
Rob-Raider, so why not trade Nnamdi last year? Why nit trade Miller last year? Nnamdi coulda netted a first rounder, and Miller a Second ??
August 3rd, 2011 at 2:03 am
CODE BLACK 2011= AL “GET OVA IT” DAVIS DOESN’T HAVE TIME FOR NO MICKEY MOUSE BULLSHlT
August 3rd, 2011 at 2:13 am
alex7 Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:53 am
I dunno, SnB.
We TRIED running the ball all the time when Jamarcus was here. We just drafted a bunch of cornerbacks and no defensive run-stuffing beef.
We tried running it on the Titans, Niners, Colts, Steelers, and Dolphins to no avail. We lost our best lineman.
I dunno. Seems like the same ol’ same ol’ when it comes down to our roster.
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Really couldn’t run against any of those teams. Are you deathly sure about that?
Lets break down the stats of the teams you mentioned shall we?
The Titans- Rushing plays: 26; Total Yards: 136; Average gain per Rush: 5.7 yards
Niners- Rushing Plays: 30; Total Yards: 110; Avg.: 3.7 WITHOUT McFadden.
Colts: Rushing Plays: 20; Total Yards: 80; Avg.: 4.0
McFadden only rushed the ball 11 times.
Steelers: 16 rush plays, 61 yards, 3.8 avg. Against the best in the league at run stopping. McFadden was hurt.
Dolphins: 12 rushing plays. less than against the steelers 16 yards mcfadden gets 8 touches and leaves the game injured again. After getting 63 yards catching out of the backfield.
So of the 5 you mention we couldn’t run against 2. 3/5 is not bad at all. And one could argue that when your #1 back isn’t healthy or not on the field at all the run game should suffer, and most of the time it did, with a few games of Bush stepping up in DMCs absence.
Those are all games Ill remind you where the game plan was pass first. In every game we tried a pass first offense not only did the rushing game suffer, the whole team did. We did not control the clock and the Defense was on the field far too long.
August 3rd, 2011 at 2:15 am
Maverick:
There is no sense to it.
January of this year this team was the best team we’ve had in 7/8 years with a record that’s 9-7 if Seabass had made that 25yrd field goal.
We were all excited about the prospects of this coming year.
Al then proceeds to cause upheaval by announcing it’s not good enough, firing yet another head coach, overpaying some players while refusing to resign players who were big on last year’s team.
He could have traded Aso, Miller, and Gallery the year before if that was his intention and got picks for them.
Now you wonder whether we’ll even keep Bush.
This is starting to look sad and I’m not even talking about the team.
August 3rd, 2011 at 2:18 am
rob_raider Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:53 am
i’ve never posted here but u guys need to recognize al davis knows what he’s doing. he’s a HOFer and one of the greatest football minds ever
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Absolutely true Rob.
It’s also true that no man on the face of the earth can do at 82 what he did in years before.
I love Al Davis but a man ought to know when it’s time to walk away.
August 3rd, 2011 at 3:02 am
Alex7 Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:08 am
Violent, so you agree he’s stiff and mainly a blocker? Not sure what pulling up some Joe Schmoe draft profile of him entails.
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Lol my point, with better focus on Myers route running hes not so far behind Zach and i think also we have acquired a dangerous weapon in Richard Gordon if he can develope quickly of course..fans dont see what the coaches know and one of those things is #2 considerbly shortened Zach Millers career we also replace the picks we didnt have for the 2012 draft
August 3rd, 2011 at 3:08 am
Conspiracy theory
Al absolutely loves some player reps, even they retire he will still take care of em..but some he will turn on and i think that maybe the case here
August 3rd, 2011 at 3:29 am
RAIDER Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:24 am
SnB, what did the overpaid secondary do the past 10 years? In Nnamdi’s case? He shut down his side of the field, and forced QBs to throw to the other side.
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Totally false! He covered ONE guy (who was in most cases not the other team’s number one WR) except against Larry Fitzgerald. If a team sends a flood to one side of the field and we are in man then how could #21 cover 3 dudes? You’re full of it. Stop the propaganda…..you’re a REVERSE shill.
He did not shut down one side of the field.
August 3rd, 2011 at 3:33 am
RAIDER Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
CDE, Hue being the “better choice” is an opinion shared by those who put faith (and perhaps delusion) over facts. Because according to facts, Cable has far more head coaching experience, and watched a team improve by 3 wins in his most recent season as head coach. Results aside, Hue could be the better choice. Results considered, Hue can’t even be considered to be a better choice because he’s never been a head coach, and he’s being compared to someone who at least took a 5-11 team to 8-8 in his most recent season.
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Wrong again. Hue took over the O and we turned into a creative offensive team that used our speed and diverse weapons and moved up from the bottom of the NFL in scoring to the top.
No. 2 in NFL in rushing too. You’re grasping at straws. You made more sense when we were horrible and had JaMarcus at the helm. As we improve your logic fails…..you are fading fast.
August 3rd, 2011 at 4:01 am
al davis may be 82 but his mind is sharp. he has been derided for having horrible drafts but that was based mainly on jamarcus, mcfadden, and dhb in back-to-back-to-back years. jamarcus had skills but a drug habit killed his career. mcfadden, who even i thought was a bust, emerged big time last year. as for dhb, he has not looked great but wr’s tend to emerge in their 3rd year. his college stats resemble tim brown’s and #81 didn’t take off in the nfl for awhile either so we’ll see about dhb. and remember, everyone suddenly raved about al’s draft last year after just about everyone in it looked good. i still believe al davis=the raiders. i love the man for giving us such a great team for decades. i’d rather be a raider fan than anything else. i’m w/ my man to the end.
August 3rd, 2011 at 4:55 am
Condo = CODE BROWN 2011
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:21 am
We need a veteran TE to replace him.
Meyers, Gordon and Ausberry will be the weakest TE group in the league.
Also, will LMAO if Satele and Carlisle are the week 1 starters.
DAMN THAT TOM CABLE!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:29 am
Good Morning Nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:36 am
we had the #2 rushing attack last year,I think.It wouldnt suprise me to see them start,JFB
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:38 am
Had to weigh in on this one:
First of all, I felt certain once the Wimbley deal got done, that we were close to freeing up enough cap space to bring Zach back. Didn’t happen – and now he’s a Seahawk. I wish him well; he was a true Raider while he was in town … he could block well, he was sure-handed and always a good checkdown. I do worry, however, about the long-term affects of concussions. But now he’s gone — no use lamenting; just time to get another jersey, I guess!
Having said all that, it is obvious that we are trying to build a better beast on O-line and D-line, which is what we should have been doing for the last five years. I still think there are a few moves to be made, and I think you’ll see a lot of short passes out of the backfield to supplement the run attack. I believe we can improve our record over the course of 2011 and make a serious push for the playoffs.
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:45 am
Raider J Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:32 am
158. I say the AFC west is weak because the elite AFC teams are in the other divisions. From the bottom up the north or south may be weaker but I don’t believe that the Raiders could win any division other than the west. SD hasn’t proven to among the top AFC teams without LaDanian. KC has to prove that they can handle a division champ schedule. “winable” may be a better term
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Whether you believe, or think, that the Raiders could win any other division besides the West, let me remind you that they don’t NEED to! They just have to play their schedule, post a 10-6 or better, and they can get in the playoffs. As for me, I’m just ready to get my hands on some horsey meat in Week 1!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:48 am
Hue has to win week 1 in Denver.
Cable was 3-0 in Denver as a coach, including a 31-10 win and a 59-14 win.
I will take a one point win from Hue, but he can’t lose that game.
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:48 am
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August 3rd, 2011 at 5:50 am
Not sure of the Heyer guy, he’s never been a full-time starter in this league, so he is probably just a depth guy. Another Maryland Terp, BTW.
Smiley is a legit NFL starter. I think he will be our starting LG, Carlisle at RG, Satele/Wiz (whoever isn’t playing C) and Loper at depth.
And Bruce Campbell??? Probably waived.
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:50 am
If we dont sign Boss by the end of the day then he aint coming.
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:52 am
You and I are the only ones who think ‘Beast’ Campbell is getting waived JFB.
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:54 am
Ill be interested to hear HueJax presser tonight… ‘How does it feel to take over as HC of the Raiders and immediately watch your owner jettison each of its pro bowlers 1 by 1, and replace them with udfa’s?’
He secretly must be just pissed…
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:56 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Shout out to 4eva…dam, 2 days in a row? Is this your welcome back?
Anyways…Satele back means we have depth, especially experience depth! I hope Wiz1 and Wylie can do wonders with the group we have…
JFB, Bcz24..Tbone…what’s up fellas?!
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:57 am
Writing is on the wall isn’t it?
He’s on the sidelines unable to practice, and the Raiders are bringing in guys who plays his position, who have started 80+ games in the NFL (Smiley).
Even if Campbell wants to go back to T, they drafted Barksdale, brought in this Heyer, brought back Barnes and seem high on this undrafted kid Pelc or whatever (he got some run with the 1’s last week).
Bruce Campbell is the epitome of all sizzle no steak. And he stunk in the preseason last year. Remember the Seahawks game, when he had 3 penalties in one series? If he can’t keep fringe NFL players out of the backfield without holding, how is he going to hold up against Det, NE, or the Pack this year?
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:58 am
Wait…who’s the pro bowlers besides Zach and Nnamdi? Just asking…JLH, no…Howard? Did he make it while here? Gallery? I don’t think so…Just wondering…
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:58 am
The Raiders have confirmed the signing of of tackle Stephon Heyer, guard Justin Smiley and tackle Seth Wand, and added a minor surprise _ the re-signing of center Samson Satele
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O-Line = Fixed!
Brian Waters, Bryant McKinnie & Jared Gaither are all still welcome here imo
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:03 am
What’s up Hwnrdr — “Ready to War!”, as Phil V. would sometimes say!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:04 am
Good Morning 24, Vegas, RR, Hwnrdr, 4eva, Bone and Bo!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:05 am
Hwnrdr….
A friend of mine moved in and he has a laptop,soo I prolly be here awhile.Its great 2B back tho!
Howdy RRS!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:06 am
On the Z Miller front. Although we have very little depth at the TE position I am confident in what we’ve seen from B Myers to date to say I believe he can come in and be the impact player we need from the TE position.
In fact I would suggest that we’re getting an upgrade with less miles and less concussions.
the real impact player that needs to be in the fold for a while is RFA M Bush. Lets get him in the fold for a few years and become that contender that I know we are.
Go Raiders.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:06 am
Bruce Campbell is the epitome of all sizzle no steak. And he stunk in the preseason last year. Remember the Seahawks game, when he had 3 penalties in one series?
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Really?? You gonna go there?? In preseason action, when they’re still moving him around, and getting a feel for schemes and coverages? That’s why they call it preseason, Super Genius!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:08 am
R8eray … c’mon in the house; have some coffee. Enjoy it for awhile, before all the trolls arrive!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:10 am
Did anyone see that our man Morrison was still on the board, after only a year in Jacksonville? And we got Jacoby Ford out of the deal – pretty good, if you ask me!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:10 am
Raidertbone Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:08 am
R8eray … c’mon in the house; have some coffee. Enjoy it for awhile, before all the trolls arrive!
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I’m on top of things today….already made my Dunkin Donuts coffee with French Vanilla Creamer….mmm!
Would you like cream and sugar with yours?
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:11 am
No – I like it black!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:13 am
In preseason action, when they’re still moving him around, and getting a feel for schemes and coverages?
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Schemes and coverages for a RG?
How about not being able to block the man in front of you?
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:15 am
Did anyone see on NFL Network last night: “Top 10 Players Not In The Hall Of Fame”? The Snake is #6 on their list:
#10 – Kenny Anderson
#9 – Steve Tasker
#8 – Alex Karras
#7 – Ricky Watters
#6 – Stabler
#5 – Andre Reed
#4 – Jim Marshall
#3 – Jerome Bettis
#2 – Cris Carter
#1 – Jerry Kramer
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:17 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.4EVA,GREAT 2 HAVE U BACK..
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:17 am
I cant believe Ray Guy wasnt on that list tbone
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:18 am
Hey Dirt-Lot – Welcome!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:18 am
DIRT-LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU SIR!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:20 am
At least we are bringing some competition fot the OL, Smiley used to be one of the best Guards in the league and Heyer, a young vet at 27, has started several games in his career.
Guard Justin Smiley was once given a 25 million dollar deal from Bill Parcells (2008), he’s a tough run blocker who, at 29, needs to stay healthy to become a starter again.
Stephon Heyer is a huge kid, with some potential if he can find a home, he’s played both Tackle spots and some Guard but he was lost last year playing in the ZBS.
Stephon Heyer, from scout’s inc.
“Stephon Heyer has started 33 games in his four year career and brings experience, toughness and attitude to the offensive line.
He is big physical tackle with limited athleticism. He wins with effort, technique and power when he is able to engage early in the play. Heyer lacks great lateral agility and balance which hinders his ability on backside blocks and on the second level.
He understands angles and ability to leverage defenders at the point of attack. Heyer has improved his hand use and can adjust to twists and counters when out of position.
With a high profile draft pick at his position, Stephon Heyer may be relegated to a backup role but will provide excellent depth along the offensive line.”
- The Redskins signed Heyer as an undrafted free agent out of Maryland in 2007. He has started 33 of the 49 games he has played in, including all 16 in 2009.
Last season, Heyer played in 15 games, starting five, and split time between right and left tackle. He made one appearance at right guard.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:20 am
Ray Guy was mentioned, but several sports writers chimed in said “No way we’re ever putting a punter in!” Sad commentary on a bunch of bitter old men who could only lift a 12-ounce can in their lifetimes. Cliff Branch was also mentioned, but he’ll go in behind Reed and Carter, and (unfortunately) T.O.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:21 am
4eva, took the words right out of my mouth…it’s an argument that people have been debating on for years now.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:22 am
I live in D.C. and I can tell you (from watching him play) – Stephon Heyer is a great pickup for the O-line!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:23 am
[PAGING] Dell.
Raider Dell to the front desk please!
send me your fantasy football info at:
ADsuperbowl3@yahoo.com
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:24 am
Yep Cliff should be in,imo.with his speed he changed the way the secondary played,but they had 2.After he ran that wind-assisted 9 flat 100 at Colorado,opposing D’s took notice
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:25 am
That is good to know 4eva…
Rockstar, Ray, Dirt Lot…good morning to you!
Like Tbone says…have a cup of coffee, and relax while this blog is still free of…whoever…
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:27 am
and whatever,Hwnrdr,lol!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:27 am
RAY GUY WAS THE EMERGANCY Q.B. 4 A FEW YEARS.ALSO COVERD BOTH PUNTING AND PLACEKICKING 4 A SEASON OR 2.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:29 am
Ahhhhh…
just like the Scorpions best song….
Feels like Comming Home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:30 am
CLIFF BRANCH HAS THE STATS.REGULAR AND POST-SEASON.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:30 am
Brian Waters, Bryant McKinnie & Jared Gaither are all still welcome here imo
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Ill take Waters, but Ill pass on McKinnie who showed up grossly out of shape and overweight. Gaither, if he gets healthy would be awesome, but its a disturbing trend for the guy when 2 team doctors have failed to clear him, AND he disparaged a current Raider olineman on twitter, which is just juvenile.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:31 am
good thing we signed Samson i was worried
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:32 am
wonder what O’Cliffy is up2 these daze?
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:32 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:27 am
RAY GUY WAS THE EMERGANCY Q.B. 4 A FEW YEARS.ALSO COVERD BOTH PUNTING AND PLACEKICKING 4 A SEASON OR 2.
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You see, this is the very crap that those ‘ol bastards overlook. Jerry Kramer isn’t in the Hall — and he even kicked the winning field goal for one of the Packer championships in the ’60s! One of the sportswriters on the program said this about Ray Guy: “When you are the absolute best at your position in the history of the game, how can you NOT be in the Hall of Fame?!” Another said, “Ray Guy wasn’t just a punter – he was a weapon”. I hope there is a solid push for him to get in within the next 5 years!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:32 am
have a cup of coffee, and relax while this blog is still free of…whoever…
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LOL!
good morning gents
the AM crew rawks
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:32 am
236.4evaRaider Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:29 am
Ahhhhh…
just like the Scorpions best song….
Feels like Comming Home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is one of my fave’s from them also…haha!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:33 am
I will tell you guys right now someone to watch: Alan Pelc. He is a mammoth guard out of UNC and he has a ton of upside. Don’t be surprised to see him start by the beginning of next season …
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:35 am
Ray Guy was a weapon alright…I grew up watching Ray…I can’t remember, really, any other punter that the Raiders had, except for Lechler, now…I mean I think Leo what’s his name was here…but, if you seen Ray Guy, you’ll never forget Ray Guy! It is absolute CRIMINAL that Ray Guy is NOT in the Hall of Fame!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:36 am
HEY TBONE,WATH THE “OL BASTARD” STUFF.I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK..LOL
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:37 am
Yep Hwnrdr, the lead guitar in that song is SMOKING HOT!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:38 am
Dakota, BCZ, Jhill, LMN …
Are you guys playing in Dell’s FF league again?
I assume Marley & Plunk are already in.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:38 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:35 am
Ray Guy was a weapon alright…I grew up watching Ray…I can’t remember, really, any other punter that the Raiders had, except for Lechler, now…I mean I think Leo what’s his name was here…but, if you seen Ray Guy, you’ll never forget Ray Guy! It is absolute CRIMINAL that Ray Guy is NOT in the Hall of Fame!
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Jeff Gossett … punter extraordinaire (LOL!)
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:39 am
The Hall is 4 those the re-defined their respective position.If Ray Guy didnt do that in the voters mind,no one did,imo
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:39 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:36 am
HEY TBONE,WATH THE “OL BASTARD” STUFF.I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK..LOL
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I’m probably the same age as some of those guys … but I still chase after cheerleaders!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:40 am
that not the,sorry
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:40 am
4Eva…I believe until this day that Love At First Sting was their best album!
Anyways…do you think Boss will be signed, or is the team gonna run with Meyers and Co.? And is it true that the Raiders called Randy Moss? Really?
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:42 am
251.raidertbone Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:39 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:36 am
HEY TBONE,WATH THE “OL BASTARD” STUFF.I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK..LOL
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I’m probably the same age as some of those guys … but I still chase after cheerleaders!
LMAO! Hey, nothing wrong with that…
Dirt Lot…come on man…you’re not old…
BTW: I won’t be making the opener against the Jets! I have to work…but will be there on the 28th for the Saints pre-season game…Can’t wait to Tailgate!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:42 am
Hey RRS.,..
is there still room?I enjoyed stomping on Dakota last year,I mean I beat him by 1 whole point!I tell ya it was a massacre!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:43 am
I think the Randy Moss stuff is just rumour. Boss will probably not be signed … and “Love At First Sting” was pretty freakin’ cool!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:44 am
I been outta the loop 4awhile Hwnrdr,so I dont know who the Boss is
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:45 am
is there still room?I enjoyed stomping on Dakota last year,I mean I beat him by 1 whole point!I tell ya it was a massacre!
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4eva,
I’m not sure. I haven’t signed up yet.
Dell just invited me yesterday and I told him that I’d shoot him my e-mail addy today for the League Id & password
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:45 am
I dont know who the Boss is
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Kevin Boss (Giants TE)
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:47 am
also that prima-dona Moss quit on the team and Nation.Boy-o-Boy,I bet many would just “love” 2C the quitter just 1 more time,if ya know what I mean
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:47 am
yes
yes
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:47 am
HWNRDR,IT’S NOT THE YEARS,IT’S THE MILEAGE…
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:48 am
Just reading over the post from last night. What a bunch of cry baby beeeeeachs. If you don’t like the buss you’re on get f*ck off. Raiders will be better this year. See that’s called optimistic. That’s what real fans think. F*ck the rest.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:48 am
good thing we signed Khalif and samson and routt
Al please leave
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:49 am
evaRaider Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:47 am
also that prima-dona Moss quit on the team and Nation.Boy-o-Boy,I bet many would just “love” 2C the quitter just 1 more time,if ya know what I mean
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Bring him back – but only if he agrees to wear #2 (because that’s exactly what he was … along with another famous, or infamous, #2!!)
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:49 am
I agree — Boss won’t be a Raider. We’re looking at Gordon and Ausberry for the opener.
Anyone making the trip for the MIA game?
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:49 am
thanx RRS on both questions.I knew you had the answer,you always do.So you should be running that company by now,knowing you!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:49 am
Ausberry and Myers look to be our tight ends.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:50 am
LMFAO DIRT-LOT!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:50 am
im guessing since Al Davis talked about dmac and bush being outstanding players in his presser earlier this offseason when we got hired hue to HC, bush will return…with a bigger contract..davis loves bush
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:50 am
what about reece as tight end????????
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:52 am
jmackraider16 Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:50 am
what about reece as tight end????????
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I could see him working more as an H-back.
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:53 am
YES
YES TBONE AND AMBASE9!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:54 am
Out … back shortly. Later, Raiders …
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:54 am
bush is a goner as well
if i m wrong why isnt he signed?
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:54 am
C-ya tbone!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:57 am
ambase9 Says:
bush is a goner as well
if i m wrong why isnt he signed?
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He’ll be signed – he’s an RFA with 1st and 3rd round tender. He will be gone after next year though for sure if they don’t give him a long term contract…
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:57 am
I dunno.Although Bush has the potential 2B a very good back,he left a bad taste for not helping the team any way he could,by not filling in at FB,imo
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:58 am
w/o bush
that would be bad for d’mac
jones already has a hammy and dont know if reece can pull full time duty
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:59 am
you should be running that company by now
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4eva,
these things take time, I guess. Only been with the company 3 years and I’m 28 years old. Perhaps they’re waiting on me to be cross-trained on a few more things?
the opportunity must arise before I can seize it!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:59 am
wow,a 1st and 3rd? pull the Big Al!
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:59 am
Bush wants to be a RB and not even an Ancient Emporer from the Death Star is going to derail him from his goal. Be glad he had the backbone to say so,… It’s that kind of attitude that gets him those extra yards!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:01 am
pull the TRIGGER,I meant,sorry.I just SOOO excited 2B back,I cant type it seems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:01 am
With the signing of Satele and the drafting of Wiz, this marks the end of the Alex Parsons Project.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
I Robot
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
I Made that point yesterday about reece converting to a te, he gots hands and chews up yards after the catch. Hes not that big to block but we have other te’s and extra tackles that can do that. Miller leaving can be a blessing in disguise, more touches for our blazing fast freak athlete skill players!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
275.ambase9 Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:54 am
bush is a goner as well
if i m wrong why isnt he signed?
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Because under the new CBA he couldnt practice until tomorrow anyways, so whats the rush. He will show up tomorrow, sign his tender and hit the field.
Im only going to explain this to you one more time before I simply assume you are too dense to digest it.
1.Bush is RESTRICTED. He CAN NOT join another team without us getting 1st and 3rd round compensation, which is never going to happen.
2. If Bush holds out past August 9th, the new CBA Anti-Holdout rule says this year will NOT count towards free agency for him… therefore he will again be restricted next year.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:04 am
You and I are the only ones who think ‘Beast’ Campbell is getting waived JFB.
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Damn, it’s been ONE year.
What has happened since the time we found out the owner was upset that the not retained coach didn’t play him and now that leads you to believe Davis would cut they guy?
I mean, there haven’t been any chances for him to build a case on the field that he doesn’t belong here. I don’t think Davis signs off on a cut, a la rumors of MM34 being cut last offseason.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:04 am
Dirt Lot…I hear ya!
As for Moss…I can’t see him coming back. After seeing him quit in the end zone in 2006 and let that KC corner intercept the ball and walk off the field and not give chase…I mean, the bread and breakfast offense was tough for all of us to take, but Moss was getting paid to…oh nevermind!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:05 am
So Raiderbuck…
its ok not 2B a team-player?
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:06 am
Moss is a b*tch.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:07 am
There’s some no name rookie that has been playing well at RG for us. If Carlisle or Campbell don’t start at that position, it will likely be the no name rookie.
I know, I know ….
You don’t want to see a 3 rookies next to each other to start the season.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:07 am
what about reece as tight end????????
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I could see him working more as an H-back.
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Think of Chris Cooley, he used to be an H-Back under Joe Gibbs and Al Saunders turned him into a TE, but Cooley was never a traditional TE there, he was used more as an H-Back even if his “position” changed because he was not usually blocking along the line, he would line up and move around looking for a mismatch.
I think Reece’s role is going to increase substantially as he becomes some sort of H-Back under Al Saunders while Brandon Myers becomes the extra blocker from the traditional TE spot.
So now it will be Reece out running routes instead of Miller with Myers staying to block in-line.
I’m just guessing here but it makes sense to me.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:08 am
Bush can’t leave this year we have high tenders on him, I don’t think he’s gone and obviously no ones talked to him cause rbs aren’t that valuable any more. I think hue knows how important bush is to the offense, al just needs to pay him.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:10 am
In any case Bob,I dont think there is a strong side LB who can cover him,or any LB,imo.Thats why I like him at FB or safty-valve out of the back field type thingy
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:11 am
So Satele was granted UFA and he returns to the Raiders with no chance to start at C?
Is Savage not looking savage, and Wiz or Satele will be moved to OG?
VERY surprising to see this decide to come back. I thought he would certainly go some place where he had a chance to start.
So JFB, do you feel a bit better about our offseason now that two of your OL guys are still here?
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:11 am
good morning AM crew,
nice to see your familiar monikers manning their stations here for the Silver and Black.
arguably the Raiders have lost a few of their best players of recent years in Nnamdi, Zach, and Gallery, but during their tenures here nothing much but losing games was the constant theme so I can’t really cry over the passing of the baton to other folks.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:11 am
I say find someone interested in Bush and get a 2nd round pick out of them for him, and sign Ricky Williams to spell DMAC for the same contract Ronnie Brown just got… 1 mill for the season.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:11 am
Al pay da man
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:12 am
Marley,
send me the info for Dell’s FF league please:
ADsuperbowl3@yahoo.com
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:12 am
ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Last week the Raiders reached an agreement with OL Mario Henderson but the Raiders went a different direction because of his weight
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 am
Must be some casual football fans here, when Chaz has played he was very good, DBs appeared to fear him, Chaz is a 7th round steal, a big strong WR with decent speed, lock him up for a few more years, if he goes elsewhere he will be productive with a decent O-line pass blocking for the QB, that’s what Floyd had in SD, once Hue Jacks establishes a OL that can keep the QB healthy all our WRs will be productive, Chicago has the same problem a crappy OL pass blocking for a good QB getting him killed.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 am
M Lonetree….
I havnt heard your words of wisdom 4awhile….
GIVE SOME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 am
good thing thay signed Barnes
what a lose that would have been
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:15 am
Reece to te, then get mcclain a true fb to pave the way for dmack and bush.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:16 am
ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Before the Raiders find a replacement for TE Zach Miller, they have to get under the salary cap. They have about $10 million to clear
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August 3rd, 2011 at 7:17 am
I wouldn’t give 1 MILL for a 39 yr old HB, plus Bush is already an RFA – I don’t see already trading him away unless he got at least what his tender is…just my opinion though.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:17 am
reece is not known for his blocking but he can catch the ball
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:18 am
…sorry…meant that I don’t see Al trading him away….
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:19 am
Schemes and coverages for a RG?
How about not being able to block the man in front of you?
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schlepp schlepp schlepp
You mentioned penalties, now your saying that on top of those, he wasn’t able to block anyone either?
MULARKEY!
I agree with your premise that it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to play RG. Any ole stiff can play the position, including Beast.
The important thing to all of this imo the upgrade to the C and OT positions. RG and LG are going to be fine. Hell, play the loser of the Barnes/Barksdale competition there.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:19 am
I would also like to hear us picking up that corner that got cut from tampa aquib talib, imagine him and route locking it down = more qb sacks.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:20 am
Rework DHBs contract!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:22 am
Rework DMACs contract and make him a Raider for life!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:22 am
Talib is prolly going 2 prison
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:24 am
M…what’s up brother? Long time…
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:26 am
Trading Bush would be stupid. He’s the best running back we have. When he ran the ball more than 10 times a game we won 5 out of the 6 games last season. DBs get tired of tackling Bush after a while. I think he is much more critical to our success than Miller.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:27 am
I agree Kirk…I just hope that he stayed in shape!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:28 am
Reese and Bush would be a punishing tandem,4sure
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:28 am
DEATHROW 55 Says:
I would also like to hear us picking up that corner that got cut from tampa aquib talib, imagine him and route locking it down = more qb sacks.
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Aqib Talib would be dead in a week flashing his guns around in Oaktown…ha
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:29 am
303.4evaRaider Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 am
M Lonetree….
I havnt heard your words of wisdom 4awhile….
GIVE SOME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Exactly!
How is he going to try and slip in here without some well thought out literary commentary?
CMon, M!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:29 am
Good stuff Kirk…
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:30 am
i would live to say Al has a trick up his sleeve
hes probably talkin to moss
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:31 am
Morning Jhill Brother….
can ya stop by,if ya know what I mean,lol!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:34 am
4Eva,
the lockout (bickering between the rich and uber-rich)pretty much clouded my interest in visiting this site for the past months, but it is good to re-up here in Raiderland.
when Jacoby broke his hand last week some writer offered ‘…he’ll likely miss the rest of training camp.’
I thought, “miss what?” A broken hand doesn’t preclude learning the formations and the assignments and the terminologies etc. Hell, it might be the best thing for the kid to not get whacked around in a meaningless preseason.
I wonder what Zach was thinking going to the Gulls. Tarvaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst aren’t going to get him to the pro bowl and the Gulls might well be the worst team in a bad division. Oh well, at least he’ll get some cash before his next concussion.
overall, everything looking good in Hue Jack City.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:39 am
MORNIN !!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:41 am
“Mayne my btch so thick…..but she aint got no money tho so she schit”–Messy Marv
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:41 am
Zach felt jaded cause Al was signing fat checks and Zach didn’t get his.
I honestly think Zach’s feelings were hurt more than anything.
Like he was waiting on his girlfriend to call him back to confirm to pick him up for the prom. She calls and says that she’s trying to get her hair right, but the dance starts pretty soon.
Meanwhile, the tramp up the street buys him dinner and gets him drunk and says ‘fk that girl, Zach, you should be up here with me. I’ll treat you right, she wasn’t gonna put out like I will.’
That analogy was stretched to the breaking point, but yous guys get the idea.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:42 am
Hwnrdr,
yes man, long time. just returned from a month in the mtns and forests of the Cascades. No media, just campfires. Nice to know upon emerging from the hinterlands that the pigskin was once again in play.
JHill,
never know how my brain will delve into the riverine flow of quotations and references…we’ll just have to see if anything clamours forth.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:42 am
Oh and what up AM crew?
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 am
Heard Moss turned Oakland down.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 am
Im all for bringing in aqib talib but he is always getting in trouble. If he is brought in hopefully hue makes his cause trouble the field and try to keep him outta trouble he did have 6 Ints last year so with him and routt then i dont see a problem with our Dbs but other then that he needs to stay out of trouble
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 am
Cable was smart to bring Miller up when he did. It was the first day this year that the temp hit 80 degrees. Seattle can be amazing on a sunny day. Also, the training facilities in Renton are brand new and top notch. Right on Lake Washington. Some of the players boat into practice. I don’t blame him for signing with Seattle. Unfortunately for Zach, it will not be a productive year. The Seahawks are horible.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 am
Boss Watch begins today….
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:44 am
316.Kirk Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:26 am
Trading Bush would be stupid. He’s the best running back we have. When he ran the ball more than 10 times a game we won 5 out of the 6 games last season. DBs get tired of tackling Bush after a while. I think he is much more critical to our success than Miller.
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Bush 4 ypc
McFadden 5.2 ypc last year. Bush is NOT the best RB on our roster dude.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:45 am
I would sign Talib to vet minimum incentive laden NON-guaranteed contract.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:45 am
LA
Corkran summed it up for us …
Davis simply was not going to pay a tight end the same kind of money he was for a pass rusher, an established potential Hall of Fame defensive tackle and a speedy cornerback.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:45 am
M,
That’s was what I was posting about ZM yesterday – the fact that he said he didn’t go there for money is a sham. He was good for us, but I’m not mad we didn’t give him 17 mil. I’m confident Hue and Saunders will put our players in a position to succeed. Our new TE, whether Gordon, Ausberry, or Myers may not have ZM’s totals, but they will be pretty close in my opinion…
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:47 am
Oh so lo and behold our resident blog Everlast punching bag KowardKell waits til the B@uce leaves to talk on his parents. i dont go in on ppl’s parents….too cliche and easy plus I at least got respect for them…..but KowardKell doesnt approve of a blk mother and a blk dad cuz it makes him feel even more inadequate about not being a full breed
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
Bush and DMC are a package deal.
Thunder & Lightning
PB & J
Syrup & Pancakes
Thelma & Louise
Batman & Robin
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
M Lonetree
Yep their petty lil squabbles ,in our eyes seems and is trivial at best,and retarded at worst,imo.Thats why i am soo happy Jerry Mac has produced this site,where REAL football minds and true football hearts can come get together and talk and disect the issues of the day.
Great 2have you back Brother and no matter the immaturity of da ubers the Nation and all of its
AWESOME inhabitants will continue 4eva!!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
Correction…..”Mayne my btch so thick, but she aint got no money tho so she aint schit”–Messy Marv
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:51 am
So we have, what, 30-odd hours to get under the cap?
We were 17 mil over, cleared space w/ Wimbley’s deal, then we’re 10 mil over, we signed a bunch of linemen and we’re still 10 over?
Something seems off about these calculations.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:52 am
St Louis Raider,
Big Al has had the likes of Billy Cannon, Raymond Chester, Dave Casper and Todd Christensen at TE…Miller may have been good, but not that good when compared to those others.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:52 am
The Great Raider Dell texted me this morning laughing at u clowns who are crying over Miller as if he is some great tight end. He is going up to Seattle to fail. Rams got that division sown for the next 5 years at least
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
banned!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
Kevin Boss come on thru big guy…..got a nice number 89 jersey for ya after we cut Nicki Miller
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
666 i always get banned lol
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:55 am
B@uce
We were rippin the Charger guy last night or what!
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:55 am
Lonetree….exactly man
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:56 am
Bucs GM Mark Dominik expects troubled CB Aqib Talib to participate in training camp and play for the team in 2011
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:56 am
I thought I was banned but it was just that I cant say B@uce without the @
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:56 am
I see Zach as having the potential to be that good. Christensen was a special teamer and a nobody for a few years before coming to Oakland and didn’t do much for a while even after going to the Raiders.
Tough call. As with anything, it could go at least two ways, but either
A) Zach is that good, or can be, and he’ll show out in Seattle because he never got the number of catches and plays he should have here
B) He give Seattle more of the same, above-average receiving TE with nagging injury issues.
It’s funny that ZM and Nnam leave after our best year in their careers and apparently on the rise. Gotta figure non-renewing Cable factors into this.
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:57 am
You mean Farced Up/Beecher and his homoerotic Edgar Winter pic?
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:58 am
M Lonetree Says:
St Louis Raider,
Big Al has had the likes of Billy Cannon, Raymond Chester, Dave Casper and Todd Christensen at TE…Miller may have been good, but not that good when compared to those others.
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Agreed! They had Lamonica, Plunkett and the Snake…Miller had McCown, Culpepper, Russell and Campbell…among others…haha
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:59 am
The Raiders don’t need Kevin Boss. They need to throw that money at Tatupu.
Also, let’s not put too much pressure/expectations on rookies. Especially mid to late round rookies. They have a loooooooonnnnnnng waaaaaaaay to go before they are productive NFL players. Practice performance in August means very little.
This Raider team is best positioned to seriously win.
1. Run the football +55% of the time…Smash DMAC and Bush all game long. Check the stats….this team wins when they get the ball
2. Utilize the screen game to DMAC, Bush & Reece….
3. Quick slants to the receivers
4 The defense is finally built to win. Al, realizing past mistakes, has dedicated resources to the Front7. Henderson is healthy and the rookie “NT” is under development. McClain with another year should be enough. JUST GET TATUPU AND PUT GROVES ON THE BENCH
Building a bully means the thankful END TO THE FINESSE SPEED football with its zone blocking and light in the pants DEs.
CODE BLACK
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:59 am
Just like for a long time Brien wasnt allowed in posts lol….its just further testament to my awesomeness. I have folks scrambling like roaches. Kell is my number one btch on here
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:00 am
Kell is just a bottom btch……..do you know what I am saying?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:00 am
Jerious Norwood & Cadillac Williams behind Steven Jackson in STL?
DANG!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:00 am
Don’t need a great pass catching TE if DMAC and Bush are ripping the opponent for a $1.50.
Get a big blocking TE….more Barnes too
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:01 am
SnB,
We shoulda snagged a younger OLB poised to be solid for a ways to come. Don’t know that I would throw that scratch at Tatupu, who is banged up pretty good and getting older.
Rather save the dough for Boss or another receiving threat.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:01 am
Sorry to lose Zach, but if players don’t have any loyalty to the teams that drafted them, well ‘Next Man Up’. Boss would be a good replacement, and maybe give Algae Crumpler a look see. The need is for a stronger blocking tight end than Miller, Boss could be better than Algae.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:02 am
Cable must be laughing his off at Al, after his unceremonius dumping …
so hopefully they’re hot on the trail of Boss, we are too thin at TE otherwise. But it’s all going to fall squarely on Jackson’s shoulders to squeeze the max out of some of the average talent on this team. Keep Bush! DHB either produces or goes this year. Campbell is doubtfully the QB that can take a team thru the playoffs. But I’m rooting them on one and all and psyched for Raida football!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:02 am
SnB i agree with ya but the quick slants I can do without….i want deep outs and deep crosses….post corners skinny posts…..deep curls. throw for the sticks. We aint punkin out now
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:03 am
thats why we had 2 leave a space and spell Br ien like that,lol
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:04 am
LA….GROVES stinks to high hell. Tatupu is an upgrade
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
“Kell is just a bottom btch……..do you know what I am saying?”
Yes I think I know what you are saying.
Wendy why are you giving kisses away, you could be making money btch.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
4eva cuz im da man
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:06 am
Kell = a lighter shade of roach.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:08 am
Tatupu is in serious talks with Da’ Bears
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:09 am
Zopi,
some columnist wrote (don’t remember who as he obviously never watched any Raider football) that Zach Miller was instrumental in opening huge holes for MBush and DMc to run through.
Huh?
I must’ve missed all of those portions of the games over the years
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:09 am
666 lmao
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:09 am
****Must Read Raider Nation, I need your opinion*******
Lets be honest Raider Nation we were able to win a couple games last year with out Nnamdi on the field and w/o Zach Miller on the field, but lets be honest with ourselves. Besides freeing up some salary cap space, it did not benefit us to lose two of the most productive players for the last three years on offense and defense.
Nnamdi took away half the field, period! This helped the D backs focus on their jobs because no one ever had to help Nam but you can’t say that for the other DBs. How does this help a bunch of new rookie DBs who could be hit or miss? Johnson gets injured every year. WHo backs him up? Huff you can always expect a mental error or two, or three, you get the point.
Miller was our best WR, period! He kept the defense honest, whioch freed up space for DMAC to operate out the backfield. Plus, our WRs are projects and can’t catch, point blank. Zach had the best hands on the team. Yes, he was not the best blocker but we needed him more to move the chains than block. DO we need Boss? No doubt we do!
None of our new rookies or off season pick ups have improved our team, so far our signings have been damage control. None of our free agent pick ups improved our team.
No the sky is not falling, but I still have not found anything to cheer about yet. Some of you may say well we have stability. But how do you have stability when two of your best players that you developed leave the team and you get nothing in return?
It just seems like financially the Raiders don’t plan well. We over pay when it does not count, and under pay when it does count!
Am I missing something?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:09 am
I know
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:09 am
KODE ROACH 2011
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:11 am
BoSJack,
got your authentic NFL approved Silver and Black Condo jersey yet?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:12 am
Morning Bo….
how the weather in Chi-town 2day?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:12 am
You got a point there, CJ… I guess we’ll see how much we miss them in a few weeks! Or should I say next week…
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
I agree, B. Groves need to be upgraded and the brass realizes that, but with that said, I think we need a sure-handed receiving threat.
We can’t run the ball every play.
Jacoby is a second year guy with 400-something career yards.
Chaz is, well…. Chaz
DHB is a Hue Jackson ulcer away from being a DB
Murphy will make a big catch then make a big drop.
Moore is a rook.
I think we need at LEAST one guy with some proven ability to catch the ball.
You guys forget that we have Gothel, who could be the OLB we’re looking for. I guess same logic applies there – unproven – but I still think hands are the biggest priority.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
Zopi what? Loyalty to the team he wanted to come back to Oakland but we could not or did not offer him the guaranteed dollars. Zach earned his $ man and he has a family. I don’t blame the guy one bit for getting what he is worth on the market.
Miller was the man when we had a team of scrubs on the offense. He brought game from day 1 of practice.
I am going to miss him in a Raider uniform he is a ball player!
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361.zopi Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:01 am
Sorry to lose Zach, but if players don’t have any loyalty to the teams that drafted them, well ‘Next Man Up’. Boss would be a good replacement, and maybe give Algae Crumpler a look see. The need is for a stronger blocking tight end than Miller, Boss could be better than Algae.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
372. We’ll be alright, Ausberry will step up, CJ and routte will step up…We can and have won without nnamdi and zach…the team will rally, I’ll take 52 guys over 2, GUYS!! THEY DIDNT WANT TO BE HERE!!F*** EM!! Cuz now all the CABLE GUYS are gone and we can grow a set of black hairy Hue balls!!! This team is hungry guys, we dont need miller and nnamdi, lol what have they done for us in these last few years anyway???NOTHING!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:14 am
375.M Lonetree Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:11 am
BoSJack,
got your authentic NFL approved Silver and Black Condo jersey yet?
Ouch! LOL…
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:14 am
“It just seems like financially the Raiders don’t plan well. We over pay when it does not count, and under pay when it does count!”
Pretty much my thoughts as well.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:14 am
4eva, Bo, etc.
I’m back … did you have to set off any troll bombs in my absence?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:15 am
CJLegend,
just hope that the O-line gels and mauls opponents. That my friend is all it will take for Raider success to be a week in week out staple.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
sadly,no tbone
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
Bay – I agree with you 100% we need a well seasoned WR who can actually catch the ball and is mentally tough! Our WRs can’t grind it out yet. They already have injuries and Chaz, well like you said you know he is going to break down like a used Ford it is just a matter of when.
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378.LA to TheBay Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
I agree, B. Groves need to be upgraded and the brass realizes that, but with that said, I think we need a sure-handed receiving threat.
We can’t run the ball every play.
Jacoby is a second year guy with 400-something career yards.
Chaz is, well…. Chaz
DHB is a Hue Jackson ulcer away from being a DB
Murphy will make a big catch then make a big drop.
Moore is a rook.
I think we need at LEAST one guy with some proven ability to catch the ball.
You guys forget that we have Gothel, who could be the OLB we’re looking for. I guess same logic applies there – unproven – but I still think hands are the biggest priority.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:18 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
Zopi what? Loyalty to the team he wanted to come back to Oakland but we could not or did not offer him the guaranteed dollars. Zach earned his $ man and he has a family. I don’t blame the guy one bit for getting what he is worth on the market.
Miller was the man when we had a team of scrubs on the offense. He brought game from day 1 of practice.
I am going to miss him in a Raider uniform he is a ball player!
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I agree. This is simply business, and a calculated risk. I wish Zach all the luck in the world — I hope he and the Seahawks make it all the way to the Super Bowl, where we can shake hands and then pummel their sorry blue-and-green-feathered asses!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:19 am
ClaytonESPNJohn Clayton
Before the Raiders find a replacement for TE Zach Miller, they have to get under the salary cap. They have about $10 million to clear
1 hour ago
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:19 am
ClaytonESPNJohn Clayton
Last week the Raiders reached an agreement with OL Mario Henderson but the Raiders went a different direction because of his weight
1 hour ago
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:23 am
Expect Mario to end up in Seattle to use Cable’s big, soft shoulder to cry on.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:23 am
noteasilyimpressed Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:19 am
ClaytonESPNJohn Clayton
Before the Raiders find a replacement for TE Zach Miller, they have to get under the salary cap. They have about $10 million to clear
1 hour ago
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Still have a lot of JaDavis money still sitting there…and probably some money from deAngelo and Yvonne.
So be it. Playing a smashmouth, run heavy offense, with a bulky front 7 bullying the opponent and Wimbley getting to the QB will make this a successfull season.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:23 am
CJ,
agreed on the WR’s…nothing guaranteed on the present roster altho I’m optimistic with Ford.
So…c’mon let’s give Moss the league minimum and a bottomless bag of weed and just see what happens, what the hey!?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:25 am
LMAO!!!! Mario you bum!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:25 am
(outtake from Jerry, in the afternoon) …
” …and here come the Raiders, for what looks to be another inspired day of practice, in shells. Here comes the receiving corps, led by #81, Chaz Schilens … and he’s – he’s – NO, CHAZ, WATCH OUT FOR THAT HOLE!! AWwwwwwwwww .. too late; and he breaks his leg — out ’till mid-December … well, at least he didn’t get cut!”
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:27 am
Clayton tweeted an hour ago that we actually reached an agreement with Mario Henderson last week, but backed out when he stepped on the scales. Apparently Super Mario has become Super Heavy…
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:27 am
LMAO!!! MaineRaida that is the best plan we have had in years! It may just work. But I don’t know if Al can afford a dime bag right now. : )
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392.MaineRaida Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:23 am
CJ,
agreed on the WR’s…nothing guaranteed on the present roster altho I’m optimistic with Ford.
So…c’mon let’s give Moss the league minimum and a bottomless bag of weed and just see what happens, what the hey!?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:27 am
If Moss turned the Eagles down, no way he comes back here.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:28 am
Chaz can do some things when healthy. But he is not reliable.
DHB has to man up…he will be celebrated or exposed this year….he doesn’t have to do much, but he needs to get us about 3 catches a game. Can’t have games with zero catches…thats unacceptable
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:28 am
I have never been a big Braylon Edwards fan since his college years at Mi but maybe he can help this team. I think he is the best out there.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:29 am
So…c’mon let’s give Moss the league minimum and a bottomless bag of weed and just see what happens, what the hey!?
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You have my attention … oh, sorry, I thought you were talkin’ to ME
Signed,
Ricky Williams
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:29 am
Braylon’s a bum.
Mason or Floyd.
Need quality Vet to move the chains, set an example.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:31 am
Mason? Derrick Mason?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:32 am
Floyd does not have Al Davis speed. They will never take him.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:33 am
Need quality Vet to move the chains, set an example.
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Bring back Bob Chandler
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:33 am
The team is complete folks. Don’t need a vet receiver or cornerback…do need a vet linebacker though.
Vet receiver takes reps from Murphy, DHB adn Schlens….assuming Ford is the undisputed starter.
Don’t need great defensive backs to win if the Front 7 does its job.
Would like to see an offensive guard that can smash though
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
403.
Maybe we can put Floyd on Ford’s shoulders.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
Have a MOST ENJOYABLE NATION!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
Reports were that we have been talking to Floyd for some time now.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:38 am
Will be curious to see who lines up with the 1s on OL when practice starts again.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:38 am
Lofa was a beast but two knee surgeries in the offseason and before the surgeries had his least productive year so you gotta worry… Can’t depend on Chaz staying healthy so you gotta get another receiving threat if you wanna chance this year so I say make cap space for Boss, Floyd, or Mason
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:40 am
****Must Read**********
D@mn this $#!t just keeps getting better. This is the weakest article I ahve read yet. In concept it sounds great to say we are creating the greatest show on turf with Al Saunders helping creat the bully. But laugh my @$$ off!!! The WRs for St Louis were beasts man!! Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, Az-Zahir Hakim could catch the ball and turn it up field. With the exception of Hakim. Bruce and Holt had great hands man. Ricky Proehl came off the bench and could catch better than every WR we have except Zach Miller…oops I forgot he went the Seachickens!!!!
Yes, I like the sound of creating the greatest show on turf but we have some work before we get there. #1 we need a consistant WR.
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38.GoodOle00 Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Heres why Miller became a Seahawk…or at least an interesting theory. Also helps explain why Aso had to go.
very intersting…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:42 am
I wouldnt worry about the cap at all… supposedly we are 10 mill over, but that doesnt take into account the 6.5 million of ‘exemptions’ we can use, and we really havent cut anyone.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:43 am
bcz24 Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:42 am
I wouldnt worry about the cap at all… supposedly we are 10 mill over, but that doesnt take into account the 6.5 million of ‘exemptions’ we can use, and we really havent cut anyone.
Eugene and Bennett gotta go
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
What does everyone love about ol’ Derrick Mason? Just his availability?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
Morning all…no condo jersey. Southwick fits well tho. Hey 4eva…nice u r back. Chicago finally cooler whew…
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:46 am
Eugene and Bennett would free up nearly 3 mill in space this year I believe.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:47 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
What does everyone love about ol’ Derrick Mason? Just his availability?
reliable hands, bailout guy with Zach gone, veteran to groom our young WR’s
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 am
Eugene and Bennett gotta go
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Agreed!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 am
We BETTER not see this “greatest show on turf” That’s not how this team is built.
Its built more like those classic run heavy / strong defense teams…Big D-Line with a couple of big NTs to mix it up….big linebacking corps with Wimbley putting more pressure on the QB…..strong running game. Game manager as a QB with one solid deep threat and a couple of guys to make a catch or two.
This will win in the AFC West
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:50 am
we’ll get under the cap.
BOSS
B.WATERS
M. FLOYD
get them.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:51 am
Bye-bye, Hiram — don’t get stiff-armed on the way out!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:53 am
Ugghhhhh.
I think I’m gonna puke again, after puking last night after hearing Miller went to Seattle!
If they don’t get Boss, Floyd and Lofa, than the looney Al and his “management team” should just kill themselves.
That’s not the way to sell season tickets morons!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:54 am
Bye-bye, Hiram — don’t get stiff-armed on the way out!
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LOL!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am
Nick Miller Sam Williams should be shown the door (good luck getting rid of Sam) but what about cutting or trading MM34? As a 2nd rounder he has to be getting paid decently and he’s pretty much the same player as Branch right?
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:55 am
Mason’s been fairly steady hasn’t he? If Chaz busts another foot bone or whatever yet again, DM’s vet presence could be important for the rest of the young corps.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 6:23 am
[PAGING] Dell.
Raider Dell to the front desk please!
send me your fantasy football info at:
ADsuperbowl3@yahoo.com
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Morning RRS,
Glad you have decided to come to the dark side.
I have two colored pills in my hand.
The red one will give you an awesome time in this FFL league.
Or you can take the blue one, and finish and play like you did last year.
What color pill, do you want?
Check your email for info.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
BOSS
B.WATERS
M. FLOYD
get them.
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Agreed … fix the offense!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
Hiram sucks! Always has.
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:57 am
SnB knows what he is talking about
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:57 am
noteasilyimpressed Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:19 am
ClaytonESPNJohn Clayton
Before the Raiders find a replacement for TE Zach Miller, they have to get under the salary cap. They have about $10 million to clear
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Get rid of Eugene, Bennett and the other bums on the roster. Restructure CJ’s contract down if they can!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:58 am
427.RaiderRockstar Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
BOSS
B.WATERS
M. FLOYD
get them.
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Agreed … fix the offense!
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I second that motion my good man!!!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 8:59 am
I have two colored pills in my hand.
The red one will give you an awesome time in this FFL league.
Or you can take the blue one, and finish and play like you did last year.
What color pill, do you want?
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Dell,
only add me if you want some fierce competition
if you want somebody to roll over so you can beat them into submission, Jhill is your man
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:00 am
I dont mind being the Greatest show on earth…with a better defense.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:00 am
LA to TheBay Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
Bush and DMC are a package deal.
Thunder & Lightning
PB & J
Syrup & Pancakes
Thelma & Louise
Batman & Robin
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Tom Cable and Randy Hansen
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:01 am
Call Boss and bring him in atleast he wants to be a raider and yes please cut bennet and euguene he can be replaced on special teams and bring in floyd and waters.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:02 am
RRS
Jhill gets so much abuse on this blog, it’s funny sometimes.
Join up soon, thanks.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:02 am
The Raiders turning into the greatest show on turf my AZZZ!!
Probably the stupidest thing I ever heard of!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:03 am
TheGeneral Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:01 am
Call Boss and bring him in atleast he wants to be a raider and yes please cut bennet and euguene he can be replaced on special teams and bring in floyd and waters.
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Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes and … yes!
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:06 am
http://www.footballcardgallery.com/1961+Topps/188/Don-Manoukian/
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:12 am
Dell,
getting this error msg!
*** There was a problem
There is not room in this league if all teams from last year return. To join, get the commissioner to increase the maximum number of teams, or remove teams that will not be returning. (Error #638) ***
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:17 am
Bring Back Don Manoukian
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:12 am
Dell,
getting this error msg!
*** There was a problem
There is not room in this league if all teams from last year return. To join, get the commissioner to increase the maximum number of teams, or remove teams that will not be returning. (Error #638) ***
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RRS
I don’t know why the error msg. I have enough room for you and a few others.
I just verified with my league seeting, you should be able to join.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:24 am
when Kobe Bryant said the other day he had not talked to Beşiktaş officials in weeks, with his next breath he said he’d listen to offers — “I’m just waiting for my phone to ring.” Now Beşiktaş is calling and the two sides will meet Thursday – PBT
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LOL!
KB headed to turkey?
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
Does the signing yesterday of Cardinals tight end Ben Patrick to a one-year contract have anything to do with the likelihood the Giants will agree to terms with the still-unsigned Kevin Boss?
“No,” coach Tom Coughlin said last night. “Boss, come back here, too.
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C’mon Al, quit wastin time and get the Bossman in town!
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
How about the “Bloodiest Show on Turf!”
CODE BLACK 2011
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
Tight End Kevin Boss: “I Want to Finish My Career as a New York Giant”
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 PM
By Dan Benton
Yesterday, we here at Giants 101 passed along a little tidbit provided by Vittorio Tafur of the San Francisco Chronicle, who claimed free agent tight end Kevin Boss said he’d like to play for the Oakland Raiders.
New York Giants’ tight end Kevin Boss celebrates a touchdown with teammates against the Seattle Seahawks in the second quarter on Sunday November 7, 2010 at Qwest Field in Seattle. Boss caught two passes for 15 yards and one touchdown in the Giants 41-7 win over the Seahawks. (UPI /Jim Bryant)
JIM BRYANT/UPI/Fotoglif
“Boss said on Sirius radio he wants to come to #Raiders. Miller underrated blocker, so tiny edge to Boss there; no comparison catching ball,” Tafur tweeted.
As it turns out, Boss’ quote was taken completely out of context. We were e-mailed by Andrew Fitzpatrick, the Senior Director of Communication and Sports Programing at SiriusXM NFL Radio, who kindly provided us with the entire transcript. And although Boss did say the Raiders were an intriguing option, he never once blatantly claimed to want to play for them.
“Yeah, I mean, like I said earlier, it’s something out on the west coast. But I don’t know. We’ll see what happens. Ultimately, like I said, I’d just prefer to stay here in New York and finish my career as a New York Giant,” Boss said in response to being asked if the Raiders were intriguing to him.
Throughout the duration of the interview, Boss repeatedly made references to the Giants and his desire to finish his career there.
“For me, right now, the Giants, I’ve had a great four years here and it’d be hard to pick up and leave right now. Obviously, going back west wouldn’t, you know, I’m originally from Oregon so that’s something that’s in the back of my mind. But I don’t know. I think it’d be hard to leave New York,” Boss added.
In this hectic time of NFL free agency, it’s begging to seem like people only hear what they want to hear. As reputable as Tafur is on the West Coast, he seemed to read a little too much into Boss’ comments.
Although the Raiders remain a fit and an option for Boss, it’s crystal clear that he wants to return to the Big Apple.
Special thanks to Andrew Fitzpatrick for the transcript and clarification.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
While fans affectionately use the first name of his players, “Nnamdi”, “Zach”, the truth is that they care a damn to represent fans, while more money is.
This has reached the NFL, the only solution I see true love to return to their teams, Rules are established for low wages, very high incentives and compensation for injury or cut.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
I don’t know why the error msg. I have enough room for you and a few others.
I just verified with my league seeting, you should be able to join.
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Thanks Dell. I’ll try again from home (tonight)
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:33 am
I know woulda, coulda, shoulda doesn’t get you anywhere, but i would have loved this draft.
1: Patrick Peterson
2:Wiz II
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:34 am
Kobe should rest and be thinking of the future his window is shrinking but I still think he can get 2 more rings!
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 am
Giants HC wants Boss back and Boss wants to be back …
unless Al Davis makes a push like Seattle did for Miller, he’s not going anywhere
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 am
manmarquez Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
While fans affectionately use the first name of his players, “Nnamdi”, “Zach”, the truth is that they care a damn to represent fans, while more money is.
This has reached the NFL, the only solution I see true love to return to their teams, Rules are established for low wages, very high incentives and compensation for injury or cut.
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Don’t panic, people … just read it slowly and understand that the Cro-magnon man took millions of years to evolve into upright thinking and responding beings …
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:36 am
I am noticing a shift in thinking with the Raiders. There seems to be much more emphasis on the offensive line with drafting and free agency. I think this is a step in the right direction and bodes well for us in the future. Losing Aso and Miller is not that big a deal, honestly. We just need to wrap up Michael Bush!
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am
Marc Bulger retired.
Is Cleveland really satisfied with McCoy & Wallace?
Is Miami really satisfied with Henne & Moore?
Is Seattle really satisfied with Jackson & Whitehurst?
These teams have NO CHANCE to win the division unless they get a QB imo. I wonder if Dungver has lowered the asking price for Orton yet?
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:39 am
Nnamdi was in a position where Al was just going to hang on to him as long as he could. Zach has too much of a downside, what with big money and a propensity for concussions hounding him. Building solid, physical lines is smart — and it’s the Raider way, anyway!
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
Denver has just said they’re not trading Orton. Lost the link, but it was a writer tweeting it.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
A guy I know is a FA full back out of Reno, Nevada. He was in camp with the Giants then suited up for a game with the Cards. He said being the football fan that I am it would make me sick to my stomach to listen to how some of these guys talk about the game. It’s ALL money to them. They no long love or respect the game for the great game it is.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
Ravens & Vikings want Malcom Floyd now.
49ers & Cards were interested last week …
I don’t think we’ll end up with this guy. He has plenty of options
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:38 am
Marc Bulger retired.
Is Cleveland really satisfied with McCoy & Wallace?
Is Miami really satisfied with Henne & Moore?
Is Seattle really satisfied with Jackson & Whitehurst?
These teams have NO CHANCE to win the division unless they get a QB imo. I wonder if Dungver has lowered the asking price for Orton yet?
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I am SO hoping that Tebow starts in Week 1. Okay – Sey, Cameron, Shonasty, TKell — you guys go on and break him in half!
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:43 am
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
A guy I know is a FA full back out of Reno, Nevada. He was in camp with the Giants then suited up for a game with the Cards. He said being the football fan that I am it would make me sick to my stomach to listen to how some of these guys talk about the game. It’s ALL money to them. They no long love or respect the game for the great game it is.
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I’m sure he would change his mind if he were offered a $2-3 million guaranteed contract!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:44 am
CODE BLACK 2011 “Bloodiest Show On Turf!”
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:44 am
Philly signed FS Jarrad Page & OT Ryan Harris
YA will not be pleased…
TE Desmond Clark is off the market
WR Braylon Edwards is probably heading to AZ opposite Larry Fitz
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 am
I can’t wait for Hue’s press conference after practice to see what he has to say about Miller (I’m guessing “Next man up!”), and Steve’s 1 daily update at 10 pm.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:46 am
Okay – Sey, Cameron, Shonasty, TKell — you guys go on and break him in half!
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Tbone,
no love for Lamarr Houston?
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:47 am
The Raiders dynasty is already a fact and the dynasty is moving in full harvest mode. Stand back. Prepare to salute and pay tribute … That is how Davis and his people are seeing it, anyway, and I think I agree with them. This is a serious football team, folks.
The Oakland Raiders are serious in a different way. They’re deadly serious, and you can take that for whatever it seems to mean. They are assassins, in a word, and they have everything they need in their arsenal: extreme speed, beautiful talent, smart coaching, preternaturally fine chemistry, and a rare level of individual intelligence among players … This is a high-class unit.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:47 am
He would sign if for sure. But what he’s saying is these guys dont care if they are even on the field. They just want to get paid. No love for the game.
He come out and helps coach youth football every night with me. Good dude! Hope he gets a call.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:48 am
Boss did say the Raiders were an intriguing option
Obviously, going back west wouldn’t, you know, I’m originally from Oregon so that’s something that’s in the back of my mind
That’s enough interest for me
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:49 am
the Raiders expressed interest in CB Frank Walker last offseason before he signed elsewhere.
He’s an UFA again. think we’ll make another run at him?
I hope not!
I hope we don’t break the bank for former 1st rounder Carlos Rogers either …
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:50 am
Think Rogers landed in SF.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:51 am
Morning Raider fans
CODE BLACK 2011
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:51 am
He is going up to Seattle to fail. Rams got that division sown for the next 5 years at least
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I agree! St. Luis has the edge in that shaky division.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
CODE BLACK 2011 “Bloodiest Show On Turf”
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
FB’s Heath Evans, Madison Hedgecock, Le’Ron McClain, Tony Richardson & Leonard Weaver are all on the market.
Anybody interested?
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:55 am
LA to TheBay Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:50 am
Think Rogers landed in SF.
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Yeah, he did.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:56 am
Does anyone know what Boss’s asking price is?
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
The Raiders dynasty is already a fact and the dynasty is moving in full harvest mode. Stand back. Prepare to salute and pay tribute … That is how Davis and his people are seeing it, anyway, and I think I agree with them. This is a serious football team, folks.
The Oakland Raiders are serious in a different way. They’re deadly serious, and you can take that for whatever it seems to mean. They are assassins, in a word, and they have everything they need in their arsenal: extreme speed, beautiful talent, smart coaching, preternaturally fine chemistry, and a rare level of individual intelligence among players … This is a high-class unit.
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oh boy, preterantural eh?
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
465.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:47 am
The Raiders dynasty is already a fact and the dynasty is moving in full harvest mode. Stand back. Prepare to salute and pay tribute … That is how Davis and his people are seeing it, anyway, and I think I agree with them. This is a serious football team, folks.
The Oakland Raiders are serious in a different way. They’re deadly serious, and you can take that for whatever it seems to mean. They are assassins, in a word, and they have everything they need in their arsenal: extreme speed, beautiful talent, smart coaching, preternaturally fine chemistry, and a rare level of individual intelligence among players … This is a high-class unit.
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I see the DR is off his meds.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:44 am
Philly signed FS Jarrad Page & OT Ryan Harris
YA will not be pleased…
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Meh, Michael Huff is better than Page. I just assumed Huff wasn’t coming back.
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:58 am
Guards Stacy Andrews, Leonard Davis, Alan Faneca, Rich Seubert & Reggie Wells are available (besides Brian Waters)
Anybody interested?
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Anybody interested?
*******
:crickets:
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Former Oakland Raiders punter Ray Guy filed for bankruptcy recently, and will have his rings from Super Bowls XI, XV and XVIII auctioned off Aug. 9 to help pay off his debts.
A seven-time Pro Bowl player, Guy was named to the NFL’s 75th anniversary team in 1994.
Each of the rings will come with a letter of authenticity from Ray Guy. Bids can be placed online at http://www.NateDSanders.com or by phone at 310-440-2982. The auction will be conducted at Nate D. Sanders’ in Los Angeles.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:02 am
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/08/03/at-least-five-teams-in-running-for-wr-floyd/
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
Reese also said free agent offers have been extended to WR Steve Smith, RB Ahmad Bradshaw, and TE Kevin Boss, and that the ball is now “in their court.” It’s likely all three will re-up, though Boss has received reportedly received interest from some West Coast teams.
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I haven’t seen any news regarding Boss paying a visit to Oak. I’m hoping they get him in there today for some talks.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
481.
Al should cut DHB and use the money to buy Ray’s rings back for him.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:04 am
OT’s Shawn Andrews, Alex Barron, Max Starks & Mark Tauscher are available (besides Kaczur & McKinnie)
Anybody interested?
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
Dell
Good to see you I am in the FF league so I hope to see you there also!
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:09 am
With Smiley on board, I don’t see the Raiders going after another OG.
WR and TE are still positions of need. LB to a lesser extent.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
Shawn Andrews is a monster…Giants just couldn’t afford him and he didn’t want to restructure though hes almost 30, but I’m sure thats because of the slap in the face ’cause he loved NY. If we have some extra dough, wouldn’t mind having him. He’d be the starter on the right side for sure and would mentor young Barksdale the right way.
Now hype at all about any Redskin lineman that we picked up. If they couldn’t hack it over there and weren’t wanted on what was to me the worst o-line in football, they’re more than likely bums…. I’m intrigued by what Smiley can possibly do though…
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
Malcom Floyd – WR – Chargers Free agent WR Malcom Floyd is “nearing a decision,” according to NFL.com’s Jason La Canfora.
Floyd is the biggest free agent piece left on the market from a fantasy perspective. The Chargers are said to still be interested if the price is right, but the Ravens are among the front-runners. The Panthers, Cardinals, and 49ers are also in the mix. We’re expecting Floyd to land with the highest bidder. Related: 49ers, Cardinals, Ravens, Panthers
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:15 am
Not that interested in Floyd. We’re fine at the skill positions. Yeah, another WR would be nice, but that isn’t as pressing a need as oline and LB are…
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 am
Smiley has a good “hood” name. Bet his jersey would sell.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
i think al should trade dhb to the iggles for jason avant stright up! even trade would be soooooooo worth it!!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
I hope we don’t break the bank for former 1st rounder Carlos Rogers either …
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Rogers signed with the Whiners this am
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
SEAHAWKS RULE THE RAIDERS!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:22 am
33-3
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:23 am
Dvrick, that was evident last Halloween right!
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:24 am
NFL.com is reporting that San Diego free-agent receiver Malcom Floyd is close to making a decision and there are about five teams vying for him, including the Chargers.
look for the raiders on this guys…
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
Wrong Dvrick:
Back in the day when Seattle was in our division we would look forward to Seattle week like it was our birthright to kick the snot out of the weak sister up north. It was like getting Chatanooga St after fighting with Alabama. Seattle is a bunch of suckas with nothing in the trophy case.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:26 am
Hope the raiders swoop in a sign floyd as a surprised signing just like the eagles did to nnamdi
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:26 am
Tuesday, on “SportsCenter,” ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported that the Raiders were only one of the teams that ‘mulled’ pursuing Randy Moss before he announced his retirement. Schefter indicated Moss, who had an unsuccessful stint in Oakland in 2005-06 wasn’t interested.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:27 am
Best Oak/Sea highlight: Bo sticking Boz in the chest and pushing his weak as@ into the endzone.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 am
al should trade dhb and a 3rd to buf for steve johnson..
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:32 am
With all the whining about how Al is spending $, I’m not sure we want to pay Floyd’s asking price
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:34 am
I like Floyd, and he’d be an upgrade. But he’s no #1.
He’s one of a bunch of tall clones that SD has on their roster to catch almost impossibly high passes from P. Rivers. You could argue that Floyd and his stats are a byproduct of that system and not his inherent talent.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:35 am
from what ive read we arent going to offer anything close.. he wants sidney rice kind of cash..
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 am
Actually he wants DHB money
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am
Huff is making $8m per year, what is that?
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am
from what ive read we arent going to offer anything close.. he wants sidney rice kind of cash..
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He’s gonna have to settle for Plaxico Burress cash.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am
506.
about the same
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 am
Is DHB even worth $1M?
How many thousands of dollars per catch is that?
Could he do some dual duties like replace the ball boy/gatorade boy? We need some value, right?
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 am
Boring – sign Bush already lets get this train rolling down the track!!!
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 am
Happy birthday Jacoby Ford.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 am
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haha yea.. i dont want him, the guy cant stay healthy. honestly he is always dinged up.. couldnt finish one season so far and thats not good for a 5 yr vet..
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:41 am
512
its tom bradys b day today as well
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:42 am
just read the ravens making a hard push for floyd.. his salary just went up a few million..
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:44 am
guys this van dyke guy is putting on a show at camp.. we might have gotten lucky.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:48 am
J-Raider Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:44 am
guys this van dyke guy is putting on a show at camp.. we might have gotten lucky.
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Mitchell did the same thing when he first showed up at camp. Let’s hope Van Dyke can sustain it …
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:51 am
69.00raider00 Says:
August 2nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Al may have dodged a big one here: What may seem on paper like a organiztional downgrade at player personel this year, may in fact be the biggest spike in team preparedness the Raiders have ever met.
While it appears that Al Davis may be doing little to next to nothing, letting key players walk, not going after big name FAs’, he has already done more than he has in recent years combined.
While I wont get into the financial structures and cap nonesense, what Al has done first and foremost was can Cable and replace him with Hue Jackson. While Cable canning may or may not have been justified, who better in the wings than Hue.
Al contracted the guys he wanted before the lockout and that is all that needs to be said. If Aso were to stay, it would have been because that is what Al wanted. He probably saw Zach Miller as someone who is softening up and Al wanted no part of it.
When Al got Hue, Al got a bully-builder. And bringing on Woodson, Wiz, and Biekert was flat out bold.
Al has already done all the work he needs to do. He hired Hue as head coach.
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ESPN, watch out. Here’s your next analyst.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 am
The loss of Miller is a big hit but getting Boss would help.
Boss seems like he’s just playing the Raiders though and wants to stay with the Giants for more money.
Myers can block but doesn’t have the hands that Zach has. If Miller has had concussions it’s because he plays the game hard.
August 3rd, 2011 at 10:53 am
477.Dakota Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
465.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:47 am
The Raiders dynasty is already a fact and the dynasty is moving in full harvest mode. Stand back. Prepare to salute and pay tribute … That is how Davis and his people are seeing it, anyway, and I think I agree with them. This is a serious football team, folks.
The Oakland Raiders are serious in a different way. They’re deadly serious, and you can take that for whatever it seems to mean. They are assassins, in a word, and they have everything they need in their arsenal: extreme speed, beautiful talent, smart coaching, preternaturally fine chemistry, and a rare level of individual intelligence among players … This is a high-class unit.
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I see the DR is off his meds.
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LOL. It’s John Facenda in a state of dementia.
August 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 am
This UK cop must have had a headache at least but he gets up, goes after the guy, chases him down a grass bank and arrests him and then drags him back.
Only then does he collapse from pain and exhaustion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0opM-JDhCws
August 3rd, 2011 at 11:02 am
Satele is an important signing. Had to have insurance in case Wiz II isn’t ready, or can’t cut the mustard. Couldn’t go into 2011 with Parsons and Veldheer as the only other options.
Why haven’t the Raids made a dramatic signing yet, or retained Asomugha or Miller ? I think the answer is pretty simple. Jerry informed his readers that the cap is ‘nonsense’ and of no consequence in determining the acquisitions a team ultimately makes. Unfortunately, Jerry is wrong.
There was no way the Raids could afford Nnamdi. They were struggling to make cap room just to sign Miller.
Now that Miller is history, the moves the Raids were attempting to get done in order to be able to sign him should conceivably leave about 5 – 7 million to play with.
Expect one or two more player transactions. If brass decides Miller has to be replaced, Boss would be a likely target. IMO, Boss is every bit as good as Miller, if not better.
We’re pretty close to having a final roster of players from which the opening day squad will be composed of.
Then we can start the JaJason watch, wait for his inevitable meltdown, and wonder if Edwards can do any better.
Even with the lackluster free agency period, I’ve still got the feeling this team is a lot closer to making some noise and being a legitimate contender than most would believe.
If only the Raids had a better QB.
August 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 am
Most NFL analysts agree that the teams that have the biggest advantage going into this NFL season are the teams who finished strong at the end of the year last year. I don’t know about you, but the beatdowns we put on Chargers, Donks and Chefs leaves me feeling pretty good. I say we go at least 9-7 this year, which is progress. It might not get us the division title, but – I COULD BE WRONG, YOU KNOW!
August 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 am
The only ones with angst in Raider Nation are the “cut it loose” types.
Nope, this team is not made up of shiny skill players and fleet footed speed guys.
This team is all about running the football and stopping the run. Occassionaly go over the top to hit Ford. The Raiders would have made the playoffs last year if they were more run focused against the physical teams and limited the turnovers
August 3rd, 2011 at 11:46 am
If, If, If .. if we had re-played the game vs. the Niners and if Janikowski makes any of those missed field goals against the Cardinals, who knows? The way we were finishing up the year, I don’t anyone wanted a piece of us. Well, just settle back … Raiders of old, I think THIS year will make you proud!
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I love our schedule you get noticed when you pull upsets and we need some motha fuken recognition. Would luv to shut sapps big fuken mouth, cant stand that punk.
August 3rd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Satele–thank goodness! Who else would we have had on the roster to stand there by the goal line watching the RB struggle into the end zone.
No disrespect, he’s a player, but he can be frustrating at times.
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:07 pm
201. raidertbone Says:
August 3rd, 2011 at 5:45 am
Whether you believe, or think, that the Raiders could win any other division besides the West, let me remind you that they don’t NEED to! They just have to play their schedule, post a 10-6 or better, and they can get in the playoffs. As for me, I’m just ready to get my hands on some horsey meat in Week 1!!!!
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Of course the Raiders only have to win the west.
See 152. Your response supports my intent.
“I believe, or think that the Raiders” can win the AFC west because they have improved and their are no elite teams in this division
August 3rd, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Can’can’t wait to roll the donkeys, our d line reminds me of a pool of great white sharks waiting for a feeding frenzy.
August 4th, 2011 at 10:08 am
This signing won’t matter McFADDEN has asked to be TRADED!!
August 9th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Dvrick can eat it.
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