Raiders training camp practice highlights, notes and quotes
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, August 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm in 2011 Preseason, Oakland Raiders.
And on the day of the 11th practice, he spoke. He, as in seldom-quoted middle linebacker Rolando McClain.
McClain wondered what all the fuss was about as 20 or so media crowded around to hear about his weight loss, marked leap from his rookie season last year to this year and how the defense is going to fare this season.
McClain didn’t disappoint. In fact, his words matched coach Hue Jackson’s proclamation that he has no interest in McClain being a good player, he wants him to be great.
“We’re still working,” McClain said. ”We want to make a name for ourselves and be one of the great Raider defenses here, so that’s what we’re striving for right now.”
McClain is doing his part. He worked out in Tuscaloosa, Ala., with some former coaches, by hitting the weights, watching film and swimming for as long as 90 minutes per day.
“I feel like I came back a step ahead of some guys as far as being prepared, shedding a few pounds, workouts, things just to get my body ready for a season,” McClain said.
As a result, he lost 5 or 6 pounds, feels faster and is taking control of the defense. Now that he has his rookie season behind him, he is concentrating more on what the offense is doing.
“It’s a lot more of a difference,” McClain said. “When you can play fast without thinking about what you do, it gives you the ability to play fast as well as make plays, so now I’m not worried about what I do. Now I can look at the formations and think about what the offense is going to do, instead of worrying about what I’m going to do. It enables me to play a lot more fast.”
Jackson raves about McClain almost on a daily basis.
“He’s very smart, he understands the game and thinks the game,” Jackson said. “What I’m trying to get him to understand is this defense flows through him. He gets to see it all. Richard (Seymour) is the veteran, obviously, but McClain gets to see the offense. Richard’s hand is down on the ground, but this guy (McClain) needs to be the unquestioned leader of our defense, and he should be and he can be.
“That’s what I expect from him. I’m always in his ear because I know what this young man can be. He’s a really, really good football player, but I’m asking him to be great. I’m not looking for him to be good. I want No. 55 on this team to be great.”
*Veteran guard Justin Smiley decided he no longer has what it takes to grind it out every day in training camp and stand up to the rigors of a 16-game regular season. So, he walked into coach Jackson’s office Saturday, thanked him for the opportunity and called it a career after seven seasons with the 49ers, Miami Dolphins and Jacksonville Jaguars.
“What a man,” Jackson said. “He came in to see me today and said, ‘Coach, I just, this is just not for me right now.’ And I respect that. The great thing about this place is, I told you, this is hard work. Everybody can’t do this. If your mind and body is not ready to do this on a daily basis, it’s tough. And he said, ‘Coach, thanks for the opportunity, but my heart’s just not in it anymore, football. So, nothing against you or the Raiders, but I just can’t do this anymore.’ And I respect that.”
*The Raiders signed free agent wide receivers Shawn Bayes, Derek Hagan and Chad Jackson. All three were at practice. None is expected to make the 53-man roster, though.
Coincidentally, Hagan’s 85 career receptions are more than any of the Raiders wide receivers on the roster. He did that in five NFL seasons with the Giants and Miami Dolphins.
Hagan and Jackson spent some time in practice returning punts. Hagan clanked one, which is the last thing coaches want to see on your first day of practice.
“We practice pretty fast and pretty hard,” Jackson said, ”and if you only have five guys, it’s hard for those five guys to just keep taking a bunch of reps. Again, the health of our football team is very important, and we don’t want to run the other guys that are practicing in the ground, and we also don’t want to take a chance of doing something to the other guys in trying to get them back too fast. So we have to do a great job of that.”
*McClain, running back Michael Bennett and linebacker Bruce Davis returned to practice after missing a couple of days. Jackson said he expects even more of the 14 players out to return in short fashion.
*The Raiders welcomed back running back Michael Bush and welcomed into the mix for the first time tight end Kevin Boss on Saturday.
Bush practiced for the first time after he signed his one-year tender and passed a physical. Bush was eligible to report to practice as soon as Thursday. However, he said he had to “take care of business.”
“He’s in shape,” Jackson said, ”and I said the other day that we have to be very careful because I haven’t been around him enough to know what kind of shape he was in. But he felt like Michael running on the field. He was quick and fast and he looks lean to me, which is great. The guy’s worked out, he’s done a great job of getting his body prepared for football, so we’re glad to have him back.”
Bush said his agent and the Raiders had discussions about a long-term contract. Those talks are on hold right now, though it’s possible the issue will be revisted at a later date. Bush signed for $2.6 million for this season. He is eligible to be an unrestricted free agent in 2012.
The Raiders are counting upon Bush once again to be there in case lead back Darren McFadden gets injured or needs a break. Bush rushed for 655 yards last year, with McFadden setting a career-high with 1,157.
“It’s hard for a back to play 16 straight regular-season games and not get, at some point in time, nicked up,” Jackson said. “So you got to always have quality, quality players back there. And, again, our organization has done a great job of making sure that we have good players.”
Bush looked and performed like a man on a mission, ready to reassert himself as a complementary player who does what is asked of him at a moment’s notice.
“Goal-wise, I never really have goals,” Bush said. “I don’t need 1,000 yards. My whole thing is to always do better than I did last year and be consistent. When they’re on the field, they know they can count on me and they know what they’re going to get out of me, so those are pretty much my goals.”
*Here we go again. If we’re writing about another practice, there surely must be some talk of rookie receiver Denarius Moore.
And there is plenty, once again. Moore got jammed by strong safety Tyvon Branch at the line of scrimmage on a one-on-one drill, worked his way through the setback and hauled in a pass from Kyle Boller with one hand and without allowing Branch to break it up.
In another drill, Moore put a move on cornerback DeMarcus Van Dyke, bolted downfield and made an impressive catch despite tight coverage by Van Dyke and safety Hiram Eugene.
“I guess I could say I’m starting to expect it,” Moore said. “Every time the ball is going up, I want to be the guy who’s coming back down with it, so if I can do it in practice, the coaches can depend on me in the game.”
The coaches are so high on Moore that they inserted him into the lineup with the starting offense at the end of practice in a red-zone drill.
Moore is feeding off the confidence and making more and more believers every day.
“It gives me a lot of confidence knowing the quarterback’s trusting me in and out of the huddle, knowing that I understand my plays and I’m a guy that they’re starting to depend on,” Moore said.
In a rare down moment, Moore dropped a crossing route that hit him in the hands.
*Jason Campbell was back at full capacity Saturday after sitting out most of Friday’s practice. Jackson said Campbell looked like a player who had a day off.
Overall, though, Jackson has been impressed by Campbell’s play, command and leadership.
“Jason Campbell is the starter of this team, doing great and leading this team,” Jackson said. “I’m excited about him. The thing I like the most is, sometimes things don’t go right, and Jason keeps his poise. That’s what a quarterback has to do. Your team has to know, when things get a little off, all of a sudden you’re not going to cave in. He doesn’t cave in. It’s like, ‘Coach give me the next play, let’s go.’ That’s the kind of quarterback I want on my team.”
*Rookie cornerback Sterling Moore turned in one of the plays of the day once again when he raced to snare a pass that hit off receiver Nick Miller’s hands twice before it hit the ground for another interception.
*Left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer and backup defensive tackle Desmond Bryant engaged in a brief scuffle at the end of one play. Teammates separated the two before any damage was done.
*Receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey was a bystander for most of practice once again. Jackson said he is holding back on turning loose Heyward-Bey until he is certain that Heyward-Bey is fully recoverd from whatever ails him. Neither Jackson nor Heyward-Bey has identified the injury.
*Samson Satele received a fair amount of reps at center for the second straight day. That relegated rookie Stefen Wisniewski to guard duty on more than occasion.
It’s all part of the plan to identify the five best players before settling upon a set offensive line, Jackson said.
“I’m going to let these moving pieces unfold,” Jackson said. “(Wisniewski’s) one of our better lineman, there’s no question about that. He’s doing a tremendous job. Sammy’s in there and, right now, I don’t know exactly how all that’s going to go. And that’s the beautiful part, we have the pieces, now it’s just getting all the pieces in the right spot. And we’ll do that as we continue to move forward.”
*Boss made a handful of impressive catch-and-run plays, displaying the skills that made him a dependable receiver for the New York Giants the past four seasons.
“He was awesome,” Jackson said. “(For) him to just step in, step right in, and we do a lot of things on offense, and he picked it up. As he goes every day, we’re a couple days away from seeing Kevin at his best, because once he learns the terminology and learns his teammates and Jason gets a feel for him and our other quarterbacks get a feel for him, that guy is a big target. He is a big man, he can catch it and he is pretty agile running up through there. So, there’s going to be some good things there.”
*The defense got the better of the offense, for the most part. That had Jackson referring to his defense as “The Hunters” and saying it has arrived.
“Our defense is starting to play football the way I envisioned our defense playing,” Jackson said. “There’s a lot of good players on that side of the ball, and we have a lot of good players on the offensive side of the ball, but the defensive decided today they wanted to show up and play. … Those guys, they have the potential to be as good as they want to be. And I’m challenging them to be great.”
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August 6th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
1st!!!
August 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Jerry said it’s “unlikely to come to pass, but the idea has been floated within the organization”.
If the coaching staff truly believes McClain is better at picking angles and Goethel is better at taking on blockers, then they should do whatever puts those players in a position to succeed.
August 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
McClain’s only in his 2nd year. He still is learning angles and even tackling at this level. So far, he’s been mediocre by NFL standards, but pretty good for a rook. Now is not the time to start a controversy that would undermine his leadership. Goethel, besides all that, can’t stay healthy long enough to man the ILB.
August 6th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
The work that McClain is putting in tells me that he’s the unquestioned starter. Nothing but smoke in those Goethel reports.
August 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
PGutierrezCSN Paul Gutierrez
Michael Bush signed his one-year tender with #Raiders but anticipates talking long-term deal in future
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excellent news!
August 6th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Chad Jackson, not very sexy.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Chad Jackson = warm camp body
August 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
I’m absolutely loving HuJack as HC and head cheerleader. He’s setting down what the Raiders are all about in 2011. Meet the 2011 AFC-West Champions.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
“I dont need 1,000 yards”-Michael Bush not thats what im talking about. Atleast he dont seem to be b!tchin about not being the starter and he said he wants to just be better than last year and thats what i like to hear
August 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Goethel, besides all that, can’t stay healthy long enough to man the ILB.
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According to whom? He’s been in the league one year. He had one injury, and then came back midway through the season. It’s not like he got re-injured.
At least for now, the MLB job is RoMac’s. Like Jerry said, it’s an idea that’s unlikely to come to pass.
But at some point you have to identify what your players are best at. It’s the coaching staff’s job to get the most out of every player at every position.
It’s too early to say that Goethel is incapable of being an MLB. It’s too early to say that RoMac is going to be a stalwart at MLB. It’s also possible that RoMac’s talents are best utilized at outside linebacker, and that Goethel can be effective at MLB. Or maybe RoMac makes a huge leap in year two at the MLB position and from here on out is a perennial Pro Bowler.
It’s way too early to write anything off completely. But again, it comes down to what the coaching staff thinks fits the players’ talents the best, and what gets them the most production on the field.
It’s not like the defense has been so lights-out that experimenting with different looks would ruin some proven recipe for success.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Can Hue go through a conversation without saying obviously
August 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Rookie cornerback Sterling Moore turned in one of the plays of the day once again
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Looks like this kid is playing his way on to the 53 man roster. Might stash Checkwa on IR this season.
Also, haven’t heard much on Jeremey Ware during practice.
These preseason games are going to be huge. Some good competitions for jobs.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
get Twitter already, Corkran
August 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Do you think DHB is finally in the doghouse??? .. i hope so….maybe hes not hurt just being put on notice from hue jackson….
dhb needs to step up or stay in the dog house we have other wr that are stepping up..
1)chaz
2) ford
3) murphy
4) moore
5) dhb…
August 6th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
And the funny thing about it is I didn’t see anyone dispute the point that Wimbley would be a better WLB than Groves was. Or that McClain could be a better SLB than Wimbley was.
If you can upgrade 2 positions, you don’t consider that?
I don’t think this is about McClain at all. If Groves was playing well enough, the idea of moving RoMac would never been floated around.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Think moore will have 30 catches 400 yrds 2tds? Around that range
August 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
I think it may quickly end up being …
Chaz
Moore
Ford
Murphy
DHB
August 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
I really like Hue Jack’s up-tempo practices. You can see he has the teams’ attention. No more slow and easy Cable walk-thrus. That was Cable being lazy.
HueJack’s system is to push the players past their limits and see who breaks. That’s the way they do it around the league, but we hadn’t been paying attention.
I like the build a bully approach, and even if it causes an injury to a starter in preseason, collectively the team will be prepared to smack teams in the jaw when the season finally arrives.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
We all know (believe) Mr. Davis loves Hue Jax. We all know Mr. Davis loves DHB (as w most of his high draft picks). Question is if Hue looses faith in DHB & doesn’t want him on the field, does that drive a rift between Hue Jax & Mr. Davis. It doesn’t take much…I hope not because I’m really liking Hue Jax as our coach. He’s just what the doctor ordered for this team & we can go far under his direction.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
I don’t think DHB will cause a rift between Al Davis and Hujax. I am beginning to think that there is enough competetion at WR if Moore can keep it up, and with the new WR, (I especially like Hagan as a last minute add who could make the team). I wonder if DHB is cut to open a spot for someone deserving, even if it costs Al a cool million.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
And the funny thing about it is I didn’t see anyone dispute the point that Wimbley would be a better WLB than Groves was. Or that McClain could be a better SLB than Wimbley was.
If you can upgrade 2 positions, you don’t consider that?
I don’t think this is about McClain at all. If Groves was playing well enough, the idea of moving RoMac would never been floated around.
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Wtf are you talking about? Video games?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
That’s a good point Jersey.
Going to be interesting to see how Hue handles this. I think he’ll give DHB plenty of opportunties to make some plays.
Chaz, Ford, and Moore are certainly making things easier. Davis likes all of his players so as long as those 3 do things to keep Davis’ mind off DHB, it should all work itself out.
I’m thinking DHB is going to be just fine and he’ll make some good contributions to this team.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
It’s way too early to write anything off completely. But again, it comes down to what the coaching staff thinks fits the players’ talents the best, and what gets them the most production on the field.
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IN theory, I agree. But RoMac is a very high first rounder, and Al’s gone to bat twice in recent years and struck out. Third time would be too embarassing, and would only happen if RoMac were thoroughly outplayed by Goehtel. If it’s just an incremental advantage, RoMac keeps his job. It would have to be a dramatic difference.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
I’m thinking DHB is going to be just fine and he’ll make some good contributions to this team.
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what makes you think that?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
There is no reason for Davis to cut DHB going into his 3rd year. He paid him 20 million last year, you would think he would want give him a chance to give him a return on his $.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
TheLastWarrior Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
MAYBE Hue follows this blog…
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
#raiders 1st team O-line – LT Veldheer LG Wiz C Satele RG Cooper RT Barnes
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TheLastWarrior Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Yes the OL is the biggest concern…I have a feeling Satele will start the season at C and Barnes at RT. Wiz may start at RG until he gets experience…
August 6th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Jhill, But if it comes down to cutting a player that is producing in preseason, and making plays consistently at practice, does he still keep DHB when it’s a roster spot on the line?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
G123,
I rewatched the Indy game. He caught all 4 balls thrown his way.
I believe the only ball he dropped in the Jags game was the one deep ball on the last drive. I believe he caught the other 3 balls.
He’ll have his fair share of drops, but I think he’ll obviously catch his fair share as well. More of an issue of the QB not throwing the ball to him than him dropping a bunch of passes.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
not happy with Wiz at LG. With Smiley bowing out, and Loper being pedestrian at best, we need to sign someone fast. Wiz was abused at C and it wont be any easier at guard. I wish we had someone to push Carlisle as well.
O-line looks like a jigsaw puzzle.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Hey J Hill, I’m hoping you’re right about DHB. I want him to beast as much as the next guy. I just don’t think he deserves a pass any longer. $h!t or get off the pot. I think Hue is a smart guy & like you said he’ll give DHB plenty of chances to show what he’s made of. If he gets outshined, then something must be done be it benching or cutting. We can’t afford any dead weight.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
We keep 6 WRs, or have the past few seasons.
Chaz
Ford
Murphy
Moore
You see 2 WRs on the roster other than DHB who will be 5 and 6?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Al Davis passed on every WR in the draft that year. All are better than DHB, so far.
Money aside, it would hurt Davis’ reputation as a talent evaluater to cut or release DHB.
The propaganda machine won’t have that.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
I’m gonna say it again, Pain McClain is my favorite Raider player. Why would you move the QB of the defense around? Yes its his second year, and thats the time for him to grow into his position.
Rolando McClain goes to the Pro Bowl this year.. Print that.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Hue kind of alluded to the idea that some guys are going to come into camp expecting same ole same ole, and they get a wake up call. We got no room on the roster for dead weight, when there are younger hungry players making plays trying to earn a spot on the roster. Hue, I think at least, understands that nothing is given to anyone regardless of the bank they are pulling down.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
DHB is headin out the door. Missing practice and getting outperformed by three 4th round picks.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
34.guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Hue kind of alluded to the idea that some guys are going to come into camp expecting same ole same ole, and they get a wake up call. We got no room on the roster for dead weight, when there are younger hungry players making plays trying to earn a spot on the roster. Hue, I think at least, understands that nothing is given to anyone regardless of the bank they are pulling down.
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LOve this, and hope its true
August 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
When did we hear about Wiz getting abused at C?
Corkran and Jerry have said that he has been more than holding his own.
I know Big Henderson bulled him on back to back one on one drills. But when did all this other abuse happen?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
IF DHB starts without showing something here in August, that will not go over well inside OR outside the lockerroom
August 6th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
I don’t agree that cutting DHB would hurt Al Davis’ propoganda machine. After all, they all think Al is mad and lost his marbles. I think Al really doesn’t care a bleep about what they say about him. He makes decisions and considers the media’s awareness about a half a second, and goes with his gut.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Pain McClain=Spark of CODE BLACK 2011
August 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Tittle was at practice Thursday and did an entire show on the Raiders on Friday…Said Wiz 2.0 is short and was getting beat like a drum the entire practice by the DL. Said the DL (Henderson, Seymour, Kelly) ran around him like he wasn’t there. He couldn’t touch them…
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J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
When did we hear about Wiz getting abused at C?
Corkran and Jerry have said that he has been more than holding his own.
I know Big Henderson bulled him on back to back one on one drills. But when did all this other abuse happen?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Henderson abused Wiz, and then once Satele signed, Hue kind of did a 180 degree turn with Wiz, going from annointed center to best center we had at the roster at the time. Bottom line, it was a quick hook for Wiz at center to lose his starting gig before the first preseason game, dont you think?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
I don’t agree that cutting DHB would hurt Al Davis’ propoganda machine. After all, they all think Al is mad and lost his marbles. I think Al really doesn’t care a bleep about what they say about him. He makes decisions and considers the media’s awareness about a half a second, and goes with his gut.
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Don’t you now, sunny? Don’t think that Al whiffing on another high profile draft pick won’t bolster his detractors (i.e., his GM peers in the NFL who laugh at him) opinion that he’s lost it?? Well, sure, maybe you’re right.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
I noticed this too…
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guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Henderson abused Wiz, and then once Satele signed, Hue kind of did a 180 degree turn with Wiz, going from annointed center to best center we had at the roster at the time. Bottom line, it was a quick hook for Wiz at center to lose his starting gig before the first preseason game, dont you think?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Any word on tatupu and what you think anout kelvin hayden from the colts?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
SnB Production Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
DHB is headin out the door. Missing practice and getting outperformed by three 4th round picks.
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Damn, but DHB must of let the Old Creeper down somehow ’cause we all know that he was a legitimate high draft pick and worth every penny.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
DHB might be getting traded.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Raiders are interested in both. Same as a few other teams…
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TheGeneral Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Any word on tatupu and what you think anout kelvin hayden from the colts?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
46.ohioraider Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
SnB Production Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
DHB is headin out the door. Missing practice and getting outperformed by three 4th round picks.
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Damn, but DHB must of let the Old Creeper down somehow ’cause we all know that he was a legitimate high draft pick and worth every penny.
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There is no shame in having an occasional high draft pick bust. It’s pretty common actually. It’s just that when it happens to the Raiders, it makes headlines. If it happens to the Bills, no one cares. It’s the media Al Davis hate machine. Pay it no mind.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
It would be a quick hook, yes.
But wasn’t Wiz the only C on the roster up until the FA were able to practice?
The kid took A LOT of snaps, might have worn down a but.
I have no problem with Satele starting if he beats him out. But I don’t see how you move a guy who is geting abused to another starting position? Shouldn’t he just be 2nd team C if that was the case?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Could care less about busts etc…this is about getting the best players on the field.
This Moore kid appears to be worthy of significant playing time, Chaz is worthy based on reports, J Ford is a beast and Louis Murphy has had more production than DHB.
Where does DHB fit in? And the kid is not practicing? Seriously, who should sit?
And is a 5th receiver worth whatever Al Davis is paying him?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Barring a miracle rise to greatness from DHB, if he’s in the starting lineup on gameday then all the talk Hue’s saying about earning your spot goes down the drain. Along with the season because there’s no way you can respect a coach that puts DHB in the starting lineup.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Right now, the media’s having fun at Al Davis expense ripping him for throwing ridiculous money at his “guys”, and letting producing stars leave for nothing.
I’d like to think Al’s this super genious that has this all figured out and there is some sort of cosmic plan that nobody but Al can see. But my humble reasoning has no answer for Al’s critics that think he’s daft and senile.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Stupid question but uf ur 5′8″ 220 what size authentic jersey should you buy. Any ideas would be welcome.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
SnB Production Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Could care less about busts etc…this is about getting the best players on the field.
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agree, and I hope that Al Davis does too.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Who are those 2 WRs that will take up the 5th and 6th WR spot and force Al Davis to cut DHB?
Do you really think we are going with Nick Miller over DHB?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
52.Raider 510 Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Barring a miracle rise to greatness from DHB, if he’s in the starting lineup on gameday then all the talk Hue’s saying about earning your spot goes down the drain. Along with the season because there’s no way you can respect a coach that puts DHB in the starting lineup.
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yes, and Hue would go down as another in a long line of Al Davis puppet coaches.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Wiz played 3 years at guard and 1 at center in college.
Guard may be easier since he doesn’t have to make calls…and it’s early so who knows where he’ll end up?
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I have no problem with Satele starting if he beats him
out. But I don’t see how you move a guy who is geting abused to another starting position? Shouldn’t he just be 2nd team C if that was the case?
August 6th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
I think Derek Hagan has a legitimate shot at pushing for a roster spot if he can produce on the field.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Who are those 2 WRs that will take up the 5th and 6th WR spot and force Al Davis to cut DHB?
Do you really think we are going with Nick Miller over DHB?
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True, DHB will make the team this year. But man, to be the 5th or 6th guy unless someone pulls some strings….ouch.
Now, I am basing this on the fact that Moore is ripping it up and DHB is sitting on the sidelines with some injury.
DHB has to get on the field and start making plays in practice and preseason.
August 6th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
It’s a long drop from starter to CUT.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that DHB will start.
He’ making under 2 million this year. Salary not a factor. Brad Loper is making more.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
If DHB gets a spot as WR #5 or 6, it’s like watching Bill Cosby get an honorary degree from Harvard for making a witty graduation speech. Just seems real fake.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Agree I think he will be 5. DHB will be 6 and Miller is on the bubble unless he wins Punt return job..
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Guest123 Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
I think Derek Hagan has a legitimate shot at pushing for a roster spot if he can produce on the field.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Just imagine DHB face if he finds out he is being traded or gets cut. Sad scene
August 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
It’s a long drop from starter to CUT.
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JaMarcus Russell went from starter to cut.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
You guys get mean and spiteful just because a player misses practice!
DHB probably has a hammy again. He has tended to get them and they stick with him for a while. I bet thats the issue and why they dont want to rush him back.
Relax will ya!
August 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
G123,
Al critics thought he was a bad GM for keeping Nnamdi 2 years ago. Called his contract the craziest thing ever.
Now those same critics are calling him a bad GM for not paying Nnamdi?
I don’t think it matters what he does. Your going to hear from Al’s critics.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
64.TheGeneral Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Just imagine DHB face if he finds out he is being traded or gets cut. Sad scene
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Well don’t feel too sorry for him. He made a boatload of cash, and if he can’t seim, then he sinks and those guys disappear from the leauge fast. This league is for playmakers, produce or get out and get a real job.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
DHB 5th or 6th WR?????!?!!!!!!
Oh my root, you guys are out of your damn minds!
August 6th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
So now DHB is Jamarcus?
Jamarcus wouldn’t take a pay cut and was on drugs.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
67.J Hill Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
G123,
Al critics thought he was a bad GM for keeping Nnamdi 2 years ago. Called his contract the craziest thing ever.
Now those same critics are calling him a bad GM for not paying Nnamdi?
I don’t think it matters what he does. Your going to hear from Al’s critics.
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agree!
That’s why I dont think that Al give AF about what they all say. He handles his business his way. cheeseburgers and coleslaw if I am king of the world, and damn skippy if it aint!
August 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
What is this, crazy hour???
Reading way too much in the Wiz deal. Since when is it Not customary for your starting from last year to come in camp and get 1st team snaps??? Like Hue said, its out of respect!
And when, goddamnit when, has Wiz being getting abused on the field at Center????!!!!! Sheez where do you guys come up with this stuff.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Let’s be honest. Any critical comments towards DHB is strictly based on his lack of production. Nothing else.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Since when is it Not customary for your starting from last year to come in camp and get 1st team snaps??? Like Hue said, its out of respect!
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Oh come on, Satele was anything but a solid footing incumbent starting center. He’s a ZBS type undersized center who lacks a nasty streak. But he’s at least NFL competent. I don’t get the respect thing when he won and lost and won and lost his job all last season, They treated him like a journeyman.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Romac balled towards the end of the year, he’s gonna beast it.
Get Over It!!!!!
August 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Terrapin,
No arguing that Chaz, Ford, Moore, and Murphy are going to get playing time.
I don’t see it as a slight towards DHB.
I think he will be one of the 5 WRs getting playing time.
Chaz and Ford are certainly going to get a lot of snaps. Moore is already doing things DHB has not shown us, and he is likely to get better.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
DHB being the 5th or 6th receiver on the team is about right.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
73.Raider 510 Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Let’s be honest. Any critical comments towards DHB is strictly based on his lack of production. Nothing else.
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That’s the way it is in the real world. Your boss sees your production. If you aren’t making him money, it’s pack your box of personal stuff and out the door.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Raider 510 Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Let’s be honest. Any critical comments towards DHB is strictly based on his lack of production. Nothing else.
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NO. Its not strictly based on his lack of production. Its primarily rooted in your dispising his selection in the 1st round! Then it goes to his lack of production as justification for your initial beliefs.
You guys lack freakin’ patience. Not everything in life is like a fast burger joint
August 6th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
You guys lack freakin’ patience. Not everything in life is like a fast burger joint
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How many years is qualified as patience? Is 8 years enough?
August 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Sheez. Someone tweeted DHB being on the field and doing EVERYTHING any other WRs on the roster was doing. AND he even looked damn good/solid doing it. He just has not practiced on 7on7s and team scrimmages because Hue is being cautious.
My goodness. I can understand the frustation, but keep your heads will ya??
August 6th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
So Terrapin, are you predicting a 3rd year “breakout season” for DHB?
August 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
I predict you’ll never graduate college. Hows that?
August 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
If we were to win the superbowl who you think will be the MVP
August 6th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
83.TerrapinRaider Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
I predict you’ll never graduate college. Hows that?
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nice try.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
@54
Size 50-52 authentic jersey
August 6th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Not DHB’s fault that he’s being held out of 7-on-7’s while the rookies get their shine. I’m sure he wants to prove his worth just as bad as anyone else. Slow your roll people.
IF I WERE YOU I’d be getting ready to direct my frustration to the DB’s.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
NO. Its not strictly based on his lack of production. Its primarily rooted in your dispising his selection in the 1st round! Then it goes to his lack of production as justification for your initial beliefs.
You guys lack freakin’ patience. Not everything in life is like a fast burger joint
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Nope. It’s still his lack of production. I had no problem with him being a “reach”. I have a problem with him not producing but keeping his starting position. Even Dmac was headed into the season last year as backup until Bush got injured. Eearn your spot. That’s all I’m saying.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
87.Tricky70390 Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Not DHB’s fault that he’s being held out of 7-on-7’s while the rookies get their shine. I’m sure he wants to prove his worth just as bad as anyone else. Slow your roll people.
IF I WERE YOU I’d be getting ready to direct my frustration to the DB’s.
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True. Denaruis Moore making Routt look like a fool in practice is great and scary at the same time.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Jerry said it’s “unlikely to come to pass, but the idea has been floated within the organization”.
If the coaching staff truly believes McClain is better at picking angles and Goethel is better at taking on blockers, then they should do whatever puts those players in a position to succeed.
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I got tired if hearing bout Goethel to MLB, so I ask a few questions and it seams while Goethel is not on McPain’s physical level, he is a faster thinker.
Take it fir what is worth.
Personally I don’t think so.
August 6th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
TheLastWarrior Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
TheLastWarrior Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
MAYBE Hue follows this blog…
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
#raiders 1st team O-line – LT Veldheer LG Wiz C Satele RG Cooper RT Barnes
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TheLastWarrior Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Yes the OL is the biggest concern…I have a feeling Satele will start the season at C and Barnes at RT. Wiz may start at RG until he gets experience…
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The line Paul referenced will be your opening day line!
August 6th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
this goes out to j hill yes dhb will be cut and the raiders will keep miller as punt returner and keep ausberry or anyone else like hagan and another guy that i cant believe is still on the team is hiram eugene that guy couldnt tackle my grandma and shes dead he must have pictures with al davis and a goat
August 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Pain McClain=Spark of CODE BLACK 2011
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Hmmm, I think Seymour still holds that spark. Mainly due to true firey passion, and take no sht pass rush skills!
August 6th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Thanks
August 6th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Thanks post 86 i meant
August 6th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
SnB Production Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
IF DHB starts without showing something here in August, that will not go over well inside OR outside the lockerroom
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Well, he might be able to show them something a little different inside the locker room than he can show them on the field….
August 6th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
SilverNutSack Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Well, he might be able to show them something a little different inside the locker room than he can show them on the field….
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August 6th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Pain McClain=Spark of CODE BLACK 2011
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Hmmm, I think Seymour still holds that spark. Mainly due to true firey passion, and take no sht pass rush skills!
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Punch a all pro/super bowl QB in the mouth then will start the McPain as CODE BLACK spark talk.
August 6th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
If Moore is doing as good as Corkran says in his posts, he may end up as starter. Especially if Chaz trips on a hash mark and breaks his foot. Even if Chaz is healthy, they may just rotate the receivers in and out to keep them fresh if they can keep getting good production out of them. For the first time in several years, it sounds like we may have a good receiving corps.
August 6th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Can’t wait to see Moore in action. Mentioned awhile back I thought he and Taiwan could be the two steals of the 2011 draft. Lots of young talent at the WR position: Schilens, Ford, Murphy and Moore. That group is bursting with potential greatness. As are our RBs with McFadden, Bush and Jones. Boss and Myers are superior run-blockers and capable pass catchers. Will have to see if the o-line and Campbell can complete that picture and make this unit a juggernaut.
On defense, seems like the front 7 is pretty well set. Curious to see how the CB situation plays out and if MM can overtake Branch at some point.
Couple of high profile losses in Miller and Nnamdi but I think we’ve got real nice depth and some big-time talent on this team. And I’m real psyched about coach Jackson, particularly after his effort in resurrecting the offense from the ashes last year.
August 6th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
i think we as raider fans should stop speaking/typing about dhb until the guy starts to show results.. we should act like he isnt even on the roster, completely boycot the idea that he was even drafted by this team..
he is not an nfl reciever, he was barely a college reciever. he is getting paid too much by our team already, so in my opinion he isnt even worth talking about…
August 6th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
since 2001 our 1st round picks have been busts with the exception of nnamdi, dmc, and romac…
August 6th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Who needs 1sts when you have 3rds 4ths and 5ths
August 6th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
2001
1. Derrick Gibson, S, Florida State
2002
1a. Phillip Buchanon, CB, Miami, Fla.
1b. Napoleon Harris, LB, Northwestern
2003
1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California
1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado
2004
1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
2005
1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska
2006
1. Michael Huff, S, Texas
2007
1. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
2008
1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
2009
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
2010
1. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
i hope we start drafting better in the future ….
August 6th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
imagine how talented this team would be and how beautiful the cap situation if they traded every 1st for a 2nd, third and fourth or fifth… wonder how easy it is to do so..
August 6th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
for our team thats not a bad idea lol..
August 6th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
would leave money to go after free agents aggresively
August 6th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
then again we wouldnt have dmac
August 6th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
i wouldnt be too sad if bush was our full time starter..
August 6th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
hes like a better jerome bettis.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
way way way better..
August 6th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
11 practices and you guys think you have everything figured out.LOL.What was it Jim Mora said”you think you know,but you really don’t”.How apropos.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
receivers are set
August 6th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
absolutely
August 6th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Wouldn’t call Huff a bust either. He was a better player than RoMac last year. Of course, RoMac was a rookie and Huff was in his 4th year, but he’s definitely come around and shown he can be a bigtime player.
Gallery and Fabian Washington I wouldn’t necessarily call busts either. They’re still starting players in this league after several years. Neither is quite what was hoped for, but very few become stars like Nnamdi. Each first round produces a handful of stars, a bunch of guys who wash out and a bunch of guys who go on to have careers like Gallery and Washington. Few teams get the majority of its first rounders to develop into big-time players.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
im curious to see dmac at 220… hope that orbital doesnt make him gun shy
August 6th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Well said Chris.To many on here act as if a 1st rd pick who doesn’t become a HOF player within his first couple of years is a bust.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
i bet 2nd and 3rd round have as many stars as the 1st of you combine them…. so if you get a 2nd and 3rd you have same chance of getting 1 star for much cheaper.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
*if
August 6th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
I doubt it will ever happen also,but why would anyone be opposed to McClain moving outside and Goethel being in the middle if it made our team better?Isn’t it the object to field the best team you possibly can?
August 6th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
espn needs to update mcfadden’s weight to 220… those $%@#%@s
August 6th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
i think it would make mcclains head explode and he would turn on us forever.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
could he still be the Ds leader and make all the calls from that spot? i thought that was his biggest strength..
August 6th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
2011 will be DHB’s year to break out or ELSE. If ELSE, he’ll be cut & will never be seen in this league again. He needs to get his game going, and QUICKLY. If he doesn’t, he can go spend time with JaBustus & lead the local parade. I really hope he can get his stuff together. It’s going to be tougher because HuJack can’t afford to give reps that are not productive. Especially, when it appears that we now have some young WR’s with hands who can catch the ball. It very well may be too late for DHB to resurrect himself.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/6/2349136/a-few-words-from-michael-bush-denarius-moore-and-nick-miller
check out the clip of moore greeting raider nation… doesn’t he just have a special glow about him?
August 6th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
would you trade moore for any other receiver in the draft at this point?
August 6th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
What could really be funny is IF,I repeat IF, once DHB starts practicing regularly and making plays like the others are now, most on here will say he must prove it in games.Yet when the others do it in practice they are proclaimed future stars.They say they don’t ‘hate’ on the guy,but they do have a double standard.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
every player is different… you can get a feeling about certain people…
August 6th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
moore has had a ridiculous string of spectacular practices… plus he was the real deal in college with a bad QB
August 6th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
real deal
August 6th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
start chiseling his bust
August 6th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
if someone another coach offered a first next year for moore, jackson would demand to discuss it in person and then he would slack the sh1t out of the other coach… follow through, to the ground slap
August 6th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
slap not slack
August 6th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
or smack not slack if you prefer
August 6th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
initiate that code black with a smack, put that hand back to let em know they can’t dilute our attack… show em the door when they try to come for moore!
August 6th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
I hope Moore is the next Timmy Brown/J.Rice type WR.I also hope DHB turns it around and busts out this year for a couple of reasons.#1 it would make our team better.#2 it would shut up all those who constantly badmouth him.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
I think Jamaican braids should be declared mandatory on our team. They can really cut down on concussions, filling up the empty space in those helmets, ensuring a snug fit.
August 6th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
yeah, I’m still holding out hope for DHB
August 7th, 2011 at 12:44 am
Mr. Shaughnessy needs to go hunting for some orton and tebow, medium rare.
August 7th, 2011 at 12:48 am
this stuff regarding dhb is definitely puzzling. it could be they are looking to trade him but it’s hard for me to think anyone would trade for him. what would we get, a 6th or 7th rounder? i mean would anyone give up more than that at this point? and if they are straight up thinking of cutting him, u would think he would be given an opportunity to show he’s improved, if he’s healthy. if he’s injured, what’s with all the secrecy?
so basically, they aren’t letting him show his improvement, or lack of it.
and he doesn’t seem to be actually injured either.
if he was being dicked around, why would he say he had a toothache? he would come out and say, “i’m healthy and ready to go.”
very strange.
August 7th, 2011 at 12:58 am
last year we had 279 total receptions
167 were by non WRS, that is by rbs, tes, and yes ots (2 of them)
112 were by WRs
Raider WRs need to have at least 200 receptions minimum for the team to make it to the playoffs.
August 7th, 2011 at 12:58 am
the only thing that makes sense to me is that they have decided he is NOT in their plans, otherwise he would be going. also, earlier in camp, when someone asked about ford, hue said “yeah, i expect him to do well, and chaz and murphy too.” or something like that. i remember thinking it was strange he didn’t mention dhb. i mean, we all know he’s got a big contract. he would be an obvious guy to mention. more than the others. but it’s like he purposely didn’t.
also, think of the draft. they knew they would be letting gallery go. they also apparently knew they would be letting aso and miller go. so they draft 4 OL in the last 2 drafts, 4 cb’s in the last 2 drafts. and 2 te’s this year. it’s not a mistake. i remember thinking during the draft, that that was a lot of cb’s, and then taking jones, moore, gordon, and ausberry seemed to be drafting to positions that weren’t of need. but what have we seen?
we see that miller is gone, and that gordon is a blocker, and ausberry a receiver. with boss signed for 4 years, i think meyers may be gone.
and moore looks great. why’d they pick him? b/c they knew dhb was gone?
i think he’s healthy. i think they have decided he’s not as good as the others. they must be looking for a trade partner, and if they don’t find one, they will cut him after rosters are already decided, so he can’t sign w/ another team in time to come back to hurt them. it’s the only thing that makes sense.
August 7th, 2011 at 1:05 am
u know that al davis is always thinking ahead. let’s look at the draft for clues:
wiz–obviously drafted to replace satele. but he has struggled so they bring satele back for now.
van dyke–they drafted 2 cb’s late last year to see if they’d pan out just in case they would lose aso. b/c those guys struggled, they went higher after a routt-like speed cb. the heir apparent.
barksdale–they knew they would need to replace walker
chekwa–same as for van dyke. get 2 and see who works out. and cj is not young.
jones–get a nice rb in preparation of losing bush next year.
moore– why draft another wr? b/c he was there? maybe they knew dhb was out the door.
gordon/ausberry–again, they had a feeling miller would be gone
August 7th, 2011 at 1:10 am
Raiders are not cutting Heyward-Bey, get a freakin clue.
Murphy drops more passes than DHB does, true he catches more also only 41 to 26 respectively, wahoo 15 more.
Heyward-Bey has more upside, Murphy needs to stop whining when instant replay reverses his [non]receptions.
key number in this article Hagan has 89 receptions in his career more than any Raider WR.
89 total for a career not just a season, a career.
other Raider WR careeer totals
Murphy 75 rec
Schilens 49
Heyward-Bey 35 rec
Ford 25 rec
Miller 3 rec
Bodiford 1 red
August 7th, 2011 at 1:12 am
I’ve already started adding Mr. Moore to my ffl teams.
August 7th, 2011 at 1:15 am
my roster guesses:
OL
starters: veldheer, loper, satele, carlisle, barksdale
backups: barnes, heyer, wiz, campbell
TE:
starter: boss
backups: gordon, ausberry
on bubble: meyers
WR’s:
starters: schilens, murphy
backups: ford, moore
bubble: dhb, miller
RB’s:
starters: reece, dmc
backups: bush, jones
bubble: cartwright, rankin
gone: bennett
QB’s:
starter: campbell
backups: edwards, boller
DT:
starters: seymour, kelly
backups: henderson, bryant
DE:
starters: shaugnessy, houston
backups: scott, moss
LB’s:
starters: goehtel, mcclain, wimbley
backups: groves, williams, davis
S:
starters: branch, huff
backups: mitchell, brown
bubble: eugene
CB’s:
starters: routt, johnson
backups: van dyke, chekwa, mcfadden
bubble: ware, moore
ST:
P: lechler
K: seabass
LS: condo
August 7th, 2011 at 1:17 am
There’s nothing wrong with DHB other than thjey are protecting him from further injury. He’s hurt and they don’t want to get him injured. DHB is fine man he’ll have his day in the sun regardless to what the naysayers want to believe that kid worked his ass off this offseason and is ready to play it’s not different than DMC last year when people were blasting him for hos hammy. He then has a great year. I exoect something similar maybe not as spectacular but yeah an eye opening year for DHB.
August 7th, 2011 at 1:20 am
i wouldn’t think at first that dhb would be cut either. but it’s very odd how he’s not practicing. nobody knows why, and it’s clear that something is up.
u say there is no way they cut dhb.
really?
i say no way they cut schilens, murphy, ford, or moore.
it would seem that they have too much invested and that he would be given a chance. but why keep drafting wr’s? ford and moore are here for a reason.
August 7th, 2011 at 1:23 am
Where’s all of this “switch McClain to SLB” talk coming from? McClain is a powerful, downhill LB, not a fleet-footed Kirk Morrison-type. That’s why he is better suited as an MLB and Kirk Morrison is better suited for a tutu.
August 7th, 2011 at 1:26 am
Aint a thing wrong with DHB excdept he;s being protected from injury he’s hurt why risk an injury at this point in camp. It’s silly get him healthy so he can compete without a setback.
August 7th, 2011 at 1:28 am
Everybody knows why he isn’t practicing he’s injured how many times do they need to say it?
August 7th, 2011 at 1:56 am
really? injured? what’s his injury? they refuse to say. that’s what’s weird. when dhb was asked, he said “it might be a toothache.” jerry said he does not have have a limp, has no wrap, and is not working on the side w/ trainers like other injured guys. it’s just too weird.
i would normally be the first to say it would be ridiculous to cut him going into his 3rd year, when most wr’s emerge, if they’re going to.
at first, i figured it was b/c he was being restructured.
but, something is odd. too much secrecy involving his “mystery injury”. and by the way, they haven’t ever said he was injured, have they? they just said “he’s not ready yet”.
it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
August 7th, 2011 at 2:06 am
There’s nothing wierd when it’s the other players why is it wierd when it’s him. All Hue ever says is the guy is nicked. Therre are 14 other guys injured and not practicing. Why does EVERYONE dwell on DHB? There are several injured and no one knows what’s wrong with them. But whenever it’s DHB it’s all of a sudden an issue. Come on…
August 7th, 2011 at 2:08 am
He’s slowly coming back he’s on the practice dude! he’s just not full go………what’s so damn mysterious about it?
August 7th, 2011 at 2:10 am
let the guy get healthy and full participation and then see what happens…
August 7th, 2011 at 2:12 am
Most teams don’t disclose injuries unless the guy is going to be out for sometime this standard procedure. Some coaches will some wont it’s nothing all that unusual.
August 7th, 2011 at 3:49 am
149: i agree, i didnt hear where it came from..
PRIEST!! Please share some insight on the mcclain/goethel situation…
August 7th, 2011 at 5:01 am
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
BLTN Raiders practice notes: Either sad news or good news: DMoore has made more plays in a week than DHB in 3 yrs in training camp.
August 7th, 2011 at 6:30 am
DMoore will tear it up cant wait!!
August 7th, 2011 at 6:34 am
It seems stupid to have practices that injure 14 players before the preseason even begins….especially the skill players. Why would you put McFadden in a position where he could break the orbit in his eye? Let the big uglies slug it out, but protect the skill players. There are plenty of D level running backs the defense can practice their tackling on. Just my arrogant opinion.
August 7th, 2011 at 6:44 am
I doubt they just flat out cut DHB. Why couldn’t we go with 6 wr’s? If there’s an odd man out, it will probably be N. Miller. With T. Jones and Ford returning kicks, i could see N. Miller being the odd man out if we don’t go with 6 wr’s. With Chaz on the team we’ll need depth.
Routt getting burned, makes me nervous. I hope he can produce like he did last year and wasn’t just because he’s playing for a contract year. He only had 7 penalties i think last year against him. Before that he was a PI machine! Hope he doesn’t regress and get back to his old ways.
August 7th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Because he sucks, he doesn’t make plays, he’s a bust so far, we are playing 10 on 11 when he’s on the field.
How dumb can you be not to realize this?
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Priesttj Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 2:06 am
Why does EVERYONE dwell on DHB? There are several
injured and no one knows what’s wrong with them. But whenever it’s DHB it’s all of a sudden an issue. Come on…
August 7th, 2011 at 6:56 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
What is this, crazy hour???
Reading way too much in the Wiz deal. Since when is it Not customary for your starting from last year to come in camp and get 1st team snaps??? Like Hue said, its out of respect!
And when, goddamnit when, has Wiz being getting abused on the field at Center????!!!!! Sheez where do you guys come up with this stuff.
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August 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Tittle was at practice Thursday and did an entire show on the Raiders on Friday…Said Wiz 2.0 is short and was getting beat like a drum the entire practice by the DL. Said the DL (Henderson, Seymour, Kelly) ran around him like he wasn’t there. He couldn’t touch them…
August 7th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Jmackraider16 Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 3:49 am
149: i agree, i didnt hear where it came from..
PRIEST!! Please share some insight on the mcclain/goethel situation…
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Jerry Mac mentioned it the other day…
August 7th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Deja vu Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 6:44 am
I doubt they just flat out cut DHB. Why couldn’t we go with 6 wr’s? If there’s an odd man out, it will probably be N. Miller. With T. Jones and Ford returning kicks, i could see N. Miller being the odd man out if we don’t go with 6 wr’s. With Chaz on the team we’ll need depth.
Routt getting burned, makes me nervous. I hope he can produce like he did last year and wasn’t just because he’s playing for a contract year. He only had 7 penalties i think last year against him. Before that he was a PI machine! Hope he doesn’t regress and get back to his old ways.
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Exactly…If Miller doesn’t win the PR job, he is odd man out…
August 7th, 2011 at 7:13 am
Davis isn’t going to give up on DHB yet after what he said about him.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Receivers will be:
1.Chaz
2.Ford
3.Moore
4.Murphy
5.DHB
6.Hagen /Miller
August 7th, 2011 at 7:38 am
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August 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Tittle was at practice Thursday and did an entire show on the Raiders on Friday…Said Wiz 2.0 is short and was getting beat like a drum the entire practice by the DL. Said the DL (Henderson, Seymour, Kelly) ran around him like he wasn’t there. He couldn’t touch them…
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Thats your evidence?? You’ve gotta be kidding me. Someone posted that yesterday or a few days ago. I have no clue who this Tittle is.
And it is THE first time I have ever read someone mention Wiz getting beat like a drum at practice.
To the contrary, Hue raves about Wiz as one of our better lineman! Based on Hue’s proclamations I expect Wiz will start somewhere on the line if not at center yet.
You guys man …grabbing for straws. I have read darn near every tweet, blog entry and interview from the Raiders camp and that is the FIRST I have ever seen someone say Wiz is terrible.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:41 am
IMO Goethel is just the kind of LB who has superior instincts and can help whereever we need him if we lose a guy especially McClain. When you watch Goethel he keys better than most LB’s you’ll watch even vet’s he just has a 6th sense at the position that can’t be taught. It’s sismilar to what you’re seeing with DMoore just as an analogy. His most natural position is where he will stay which one that is they are testing right now. He was very good at WLB would probably be a best WLB. I’m not sure he is a better MLB than McClain in fact I would doubt it. McClain is going to be very special at MLB he just has those same instincts but he’s so freaking big the bets place for him naturally is MLB. Those two are extraordinary players any coach would have them in the field at the same time if you want your defense to be dominant.
It gets debated in here quite a bit about the run defense being upgraded if that’s what you want this is how you get it by playing both Goethel and McClain at gthe same time. They can key better any two set of LB’s this young in this league. But the bets part is McClain and Goethel are form tacklers if you watch them it’s text book stuff it’s as if the were born to do. Many had some criticism of McClain last year but as I said many times about him last year he was learning the position of MLB he didn’t play that in college. A MLB has to see everything and set the entire backend of the defense and know is keys and execute spilsecond timing. He struggled in the execution part because he was still thinking then reacting. Fans see it and say he doesn’t know what he’s doing…..no he does he just reacts a split second to late and that can be very costly. Now this year he can study film and react to his keys he can play a lot faster you’ll see him make huge plays now almost in a blink of an eye due to reading and reacting.
I predicted earlier that I think he will be one of the top 5 MLB’s in the game by midseason and that is why. He’s not thinking anymore he’s reacting. Fans have a hard time understand the need for players to develope especially if they are high draft picks but this game is so freaking fast at this level that it takes them a while before it slows down and they can see things differently. It’s no different than going to a foriegn country learning the langauge and the lay of the land and laws. It takes time before the natural instincts and talent can just shine.
This is also the reason I say what I say about DHB I see a player he’s just not relaxed he’s pressing and trying to do things before he really understands what he’s doing. Once the game slows down and he relaxes he will show the world exactly how talented he is. For WR’s it just takes time before they cna read defenses and KNOW how to victimize them. He’s still learning when they throw things at him he thinks instead of attack. When he’s no longer thinking LOOK OUT.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Listen, I understand the frustration with DHB. We all want him to succeed so darn bad and when he’s not on the field its frustating as hell because thats not getting him anywhere.
The guy is not 100%. How many times must Hue say this? A lot of players are not 100% but they don’t draw your wrath – maybe Campbell is getting close. I damn sure know DMC was getting it last year as he was out with a hammy or something for quite a while.
Because he’s not 100% he’s not practicing at 100%. So you read all these stories about who is practicing and hear next to nothing about DHB except ‘why is he not practicing’. Its all negative focus. And you jump to these crazy conclusions.
The guy is not 100% plain and simple. Same as DMC last year. It could be a hammy. It could be a grion pull. Who knows? Just stop killin the guy over this crap. Wait until he gets on the damn practice feild for real to show you what he has or has not learned.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:50 am
T’pin don’t trip man Rick is a talk show host who in many cases overeeacts to negative. Wiz had issues but it like I said before we drafted him that he was not what everyone was saying about him. Wiz will be fine trust me he has to go through what every other rookie goes through. He has to change his body type some and become more solid. And the game needs to slow down for him a bit, and he’ll be fine. IN fact I think he’ll be very good but I would play him at OG before C he’s just not ready yet C is a thinking man’s job you must be very quick and yet stout and your technigue must be up to snuff. He’s a rookie no way he’s a better C than Satele right now but you can hide him at OG and he’ll play well. No one wants to accept the fact that Satele was one of the better players on that line last year but the truth is it’s a fact. Satele is a very good C he may not be BRobb but thiose are hard to come by. There’s a kid at Ohio St Brewer who’s going to be a stud at C he’s hands down better than Wiz right now. But everyone loved his name the weren’t watching him play C because he played OG his senior year. Now he will play C and do it well he’s just not dominant.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:53 am
The MLB is the QB of the defense. McClain is a natural at the position and is a cerebral player as well.
Let’s develop him as the MLB and move forward…kind of like the path of least resistance. If Groves is struggling, then let Goethel compete 1-1 with him…Not a huge fan of moving young top tier players around early in their careers. Let’s have McClain master the MLB
As for DHB? Raiders have a lot of good receivers developing here. All anyone is saying is that DHB has to keep up with these guys. If, and its a big if, Moore keeps making plays, Ford and Schilens are penciled in as significant contributors and Murphy..where does DHB fit in? These other rooks youngsters are, to be very, very, very generous, performing at DHBs level at the very least.
I just want to see the best 11
August 7th, 2011 at 8:02 am
“Moore keeps making plays, Ford and Schilens are penciled in as significant contributors and Murphy..where does DHB fit in? These other rooks youngsters are, to be very, very, very generous, performing at DHBs level at the very least.”
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Listen to yourself man. Thats the freakin problem. You are judging the guy and he has not even fully practiced yet. So how in the hell do you know where he is as a playa!
Again, I have read darn near everything that has come out of camp. From what little has been written about the work he has been putting in, he has looked pretty good. He’s just not in full scrimmages or 7on7s where all the great action occurrs.
You can tell even the writers are frustrated. Thats all they focus on sometimes: Why DHB isn’t practicing??? Over and Over.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Let me add this to the mix as well the DT’s on this team get kicked around in here but that tandem is no joke. You got some guys in here that blame the sun moon and stars on them. But that is a very gifted tandem and the backups aren’t slouch’s. Any rookie is going to have his hands full and then some with those too. Most probowlers struuggle vs that tandem so you know a rookie will. IMO our two DT’s are in the top 5-6 in the league. TK and Seymour are beast I watch them eat many interior lines completely. Don’t worry about Wiz too much he’s facing some of the best the league has to offer.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:04 am
T’pin you’re wasting your breath or fingers they hate the kid…………period
August 7th, 2011 at 8:07 am
Who has practiced and we a read about?
Moore – having an awesome camp
Schilens – having a very solid camp
Ford – was having an awesome camp until he got injured, now crickets
Murphy – again, performing very well (although i have read he had some drops) then got injured, now crickets
That’s bascially it.
DHB – ??? hasn’t been in full scrimmages but looked solid in some drills, nothing more to write about
August 7th, 2011 at 8:11 am
AL gave up on JaMeatball so what makes anybody think he wont send DHB packing is beyond me.
As long as a guy like Moore makes AL look good DHB is expendable.
Just Cut Baby!
August 7th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Yeah. I’m about to move on from this, just ignore these jacks completely. Its like pushing on a string.
Killin the guy and he hasn’t even been practicing, like many other players; hence, you read little about him and draw these grand conclusions. …wanting to cut players and all.
HA! What a joke!
August 7th, 2011 at 8:14 am
I am cool with the DT situation. Henderson being healthy and they “finally” brought in a young kid to develop behind Henderson as the run stuffer.
Got a good rotation. I also belive in Hue Jackson’s “Build a Bully” strategy.
The Raiders have been a soft team of late…pushed around by physical teams. Hue is fixing that…Oklahoma drills over walkthroughs and an unapologetic focus on competition and focus.
Defense will be fine this year
August 7th, 2011 at 8:20 am
I have read this guy make a pretty solid argument why Satele should start and Wiz switch ot OG for now. Simply because Wiz may not be as good of a Center right now (vs Satele), but he is a solid Guard – better than Satele and maybe Cooper who’s getting long in the tooth.
This makes sense. But then I think, what about Bruce Campbell? We have not seen this guy in action yet. Where is he in his development? He is much, much bigger than Wiz. I would be tempted to see him at RG vs Wiz.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Terripin,
Jason Campbell needs help on the field man.
Just give me the best players…..
As for DHB, missing practice is not good. Its just not. As a previous poster mentioned, DMAC was initially the backup going into last year until an injury sidelined Bush.
For DHB, I am tellin ya he cannot afford to be missing camp right now. Ford has established himself after a fantastic 2nd half of 2010…Schilens when healthy is the best pure receiver on the team and Moore is doing a good job of establishing himself through the competition that Hue Jax is pushing.
It all sorts itself out during the month.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:24 am
If you haven’t, listen to Hue’s presser for yesterday. At the very end, with about 10 seconds left Hue gives his vision of the team. Boy, the way he said it grabbed my attention. I wanted to hear more! It was too short! And you can tell he meant what he was saying.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Chaz, Moore, starting Ford is the slot. For once in a long time it looks as if we have the problem of getting all the talent on the field. If Miller gets cut I can see the Pats making him a star. I haven’t seen any of this other Moore, just what I’ve read in here. Sounds like he has a great chance of making the team. Anyone think he might crack the lineup?
August 7th, 2011 at 8:27 am
Priesttj,
Any area on this team that you are concerned about going into the year?
Its easy to just sit on a blog and post all positive vibes all day and criticize anyone posting anything controversial (and football related). I think the blog is about posting OPINION…..
Of course, we are ALL AWARE that NOTHING we say here matters at all and that everything is proven on the field.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:29 am
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/6/2349247/a-kevin-boss-scouting-report#storyjump
good read on strenghts and weaknesses of the BOSS from a Giants fan. Of note, bad pass catcher, slow, and one hit away from retiring, yikes!
August 7th, 2011 at 8:33 am
We KNOW taiwan had hammy injury.
We KNOW mcfadden’s injury.
We KNOW ford’s injury.
Ther reason we dont know dhb’s injury it’s there isn’t one. Raiders are trying to restructure DHB’s contract, but bay isn’t cooperating, so the Raiders are hesitant of having him injure himself and make the contract guaranteed for the year. This is a multi million dollar decision.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:41 am
The way I see it, we got a lot better on Offense last year without DHB contributing much, so if he starts to play better great….but if he doesn’t, it’s simply not a big deal anymore.
Chaz, Ford and Murphy have shown they can play, the key for increased productivity in the passing game for next season depends on Chaz’s health, Ford’s development and Murphy’s consistency.
Of course, Denarius Moore is the wild card here, both Murphy and Ford had productive rookie seasons, Moore could be the next kid to come up with some big-plays for us.
So, anything we get from DHB would be a bonus at this point and since the bulk of his contract was already paid, I would not be surprised if we’re saving him for a trade, obviously we won’t get much in return, probably a late round pick, if anything.
On the other hand, the kid just turned 24, I would not cut him just yet, but he’s certainly running out of chances and this sould his final season as a Raider.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Here’s the whole post from a Giants fan to us:
“Greetings Raider Nation,
As a Giants fan, just wanted to say congratulations on your two newest acquisitions, Kevin Boss and Derek Hagan. Just wanted to give you a Giants fan’s perspective on the Bossman.
Kevin Boss
Strengths: Probably Boss’ greatest strength goes quite unheralded. He is an awesome, and by awesome, I mean one of the top in the league, as a lead blocker. He will zoom downfield and just is ferocious on bubble screens and stretch plays. Look for Darren McFadden and Michael Bush to have some big runs going Kevin’s way.
The Giants never really featured their TEs in any routes, and, as a matter of fact, Boss in 2010 blocked 54% of the time, which is one of the highest rates in the NFL. You can rest assured that he can block with the best of ‘em and should already be well acquainted with any and all blocking schemes.
Another strength of Boss’ is his route running. He’s extremely crisp for a TE and won’t get lazy. That’s helped Eli out a ton in a pinch. He’s definitely going to be where Campbell will expect him to be.
Bravery. This dude ain’t afraid of anything. He’ll go across the middle like…dare I say it…a Boss. He’ll throw his body on the line to help the team win, and that’s something I hugely respect about him.
Finally, his size. The guy is 6′7 and has strong body control. He’ll out physical most cornerbacks and outrun most linebackers. He has trouble going up against safeties though.
Weaknesses: You guys are getting a pretty big downgrade in the pass catching department, from Miller to Boss. He’s fearless, and a good route runner, yeah, but holy hell is he inconsistent. He’ll make the most ridiculous catch one minute, then drop several easy passes after that.
ProFootballFocus rated him as having the worst hands of any TE out there, and I’d agree with them. He’s had a case of the dropsies last year. I DO think it was an anomaly, however. So while he’ll never be Miller, still figure he’ll be a large part of the Oakland offense.
Also, how much does he have left? What concerns me the most about Boss is the level of punishment he takes. Trust me when I tell you that I’m surprised he hasn’t had more concussions than what he’s had because it seemed like every week he took one monstrous hit after another. To be really honest, it always felt like he’d be one big hit away from retirement. Campbell should do everything in his power not to lead Boss into traffic, otherwise it might be curtains…
Finally, the dude is slow. Not turtle slow, but he’s about average. Not really a weakness as it is a pet peeve, but he was really really underused in the redzone. I mean, when he was targeted, he got the TD….but he just didn’t seem to get great separation, and that’s definitely something he needs to work on.
Final Word:
Damn, I’m going to miss Boss.
I’ll be really honest with you guys, and say he was overpaid though. I’d probably valuate him as a 4 year, $11.5 million guy, and I think that’s about as high as the Giants were willing to go.
Regardless, he’s a tough SOB and will go all out to make plays for you guys. You got one HELL of a player. If he can fix his drops, he’ll be slated for big things in the future.
P.S. Please do your goddamn best to beat the Chargers. Eli Manning and the Giants hate A.J. Smith”.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Good post on Boss.
The Raiders need a run blocking TE to really spring the running game.
AS for pass catching, he just has to be good enough there…not elite.
The RBs, Ford, Murphy, Chaz, Moore will catch the ball
August 7th, 2011 at 8:56 am
It’s just curious that they refuse to talk about what’s wrong with DHB. Every other player that is NICKED up they have said what is wrong. Maybe it’s something to do with his contract. Incentives that aren’t reached he doesn’t get a bonus or something.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:57 am
I think it’s a real fair evaluation of Kevin Boss.
But I’ll say this, the guy says we overpaid because Boss is a 4 year, 11.5 million player…well, his contract is for 4 years and 8 million guaranteed, he’ll have to earn the other 8 million, so I disagree there.
As far as the drops, like I said yesterday, it’s not a trend with Boss, he had 4 drops combined between 2008-2009, his total jumped to 11 last season, so like the Giants fan says: it was unusual, hopefully just an odd stat from an otherwise historically sure-handed player.
Finally, the concussions, he’s even with Zach Miller there, both have taken plenty of hits and their careers could be over in an unfortunate way, but that’s exactly why paying Boss 8 million makes more sense than paying Miller 16.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:58 am
SnB you read me wrong brotha, fair criticism is good. I do it all the time I just don’t join the hordes so it seems I’m always positive in comparison. I have strong concerns about the Oline. I want it settled by week 3 of preseason only that may not be possible due to injury.
The guy I’m worried about way more than DHB is Bruce Campbell he’s the new Claude Rains. You never hear about him and I think he cna play. I can’t wait to see this team so that I can draw my own conclusions instead of reading someone else’s.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Raiders need more production from WRs regardless of who’s on the field. Based on 2010 production/playmaking, Ford-V12 is the only WR who EARNED a starting spot coming into 2011. Everybody else is playing for it. Thats why camp is so important. According to reports, it seems like “D-WOW” Moore and Chaz are earning playing time.
You dont have to hate DHB to acknowledge that.
I’m looking to Hue Jack & Saunders to put him in position to be successful. He just needs to relax and make plays when given the opportunity.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:05 am
I criticise many things only you guys like them so it seems like I’m attacking you. No I’m giving my opinion of the situation which opposed to yours and you don’t like it.
I hated the Veldheer at C thing and said so many times but you all liked it. I hated Kwame Harris at LT he should’ve been a RG and I hated the drafting of DHB and said so when it happened. I disagreed with the Wiz pick to some extent.
You guys don’t notice my disagreements because I don’t sit on here and whine and cry. I give my concerns and move on.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Priesttj,
The reason I may sound like a record with a skip on it is because I actually think the team has been very close….the glaring weaknesses being the run defense.
I am actually happy the run defense has been fixed…won’t hear much around that topic from me.
For me its the wide receivers that have to get with it. JC is a good QB, although I have been frustrated with him at times…very much so…but the receivers gotta help him.
This team needs real production out of that group in order to prevent that 8 or 9th guy creeping into the box to stop the running game (which is the true strength).
This camp has to sort out that receiving situation
August 7th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Moore & Moore the Raiders look improved…
August 7th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Raider J DHB makes plays when he gets the opportunity the problem is the opportunities are too far and few. When they throw to him accurately he makes plays I doubt he was targeted more than 60-70 times last year. How cna he makes plays when they use him to take the top off the defense and throw underneath him. There has to be more of a chemistry betwen he and the QB. My only problem with DHB is this he doesn’t demand the ball from his QB he’s too good of a soldier. He needs to be more selfish and JC needs to give him some opportunities to make plays. He also needs to finsih his routes on comebacks but that is true with ALL OF THEM.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:19 am
WE suffered through maturation and development stage with these rec’s but it’s over now. This kids are ready to get it done. I see it and I know it.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Seems to me that DHB is getting the same treatment Thomas Howard had last year, along with JLH, and Javon Walker in his second season.
I will keep them on the roster, rarely let them even get much reps in practice, will only play limited action unless others get hurt, and really have no chance to crack the starting lineup.
And than, he will be gone next year.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:22 am
SNB,
For me its the wide receivers that have to get with it. JC is a good QB, although I have been frustrated with him at times…very much so…but the receivers gotta help him.
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The only concern about the receivers to me is injuries (Ford, Chaz). If they’re healthy I’m not concerned…the biggest problem on this team is the OL. They set the tone, so if they can’t pass block Campbell can’t do his thing, imo…
August 7th, 2011 at 9:22 am
I will keep them on the roster
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Meant *Al* will keep them on the roster
August 7th, 2011 at 9:23 am
He doesn’t get targeted more because he sucks at getting separation.
Oh, and he can’t catch at a consistent nfl level. Kind of a biggie.
Oh, and as recorded, he drops a lot of passes in practice, weakening the trust his qbs have in him.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:24 am
I’ll wait for the end of preseason to gauge whether Moore & Moore are camp warriors or game time game changers. (Sam Sword vs. Nap Kaufman, &c.)
Anyone think of rookies in the last 10 years that reportedly stood out like this??
August 7th, 2011 at 9:27 am
SnB
How did we fix our run defense when we returned all front 7 from last year and are keeping same d philosophy?
August 7th, 2011 at 9:27 am
As Jerry Mac tweeted, other injured players Hue has talked of timetables for return, what their injuries are, they work with the training staff on the side, and aren’t fully suited up.
DHB? Fully suited up, not working with trainers, not given a timetable, not disclosed on injuries.
He just stands on the side.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I seem to recall Stevie Brown having a monster camp a couple years ago ……and then promptly getting cut. Denarius Moore seems to be having a monster camp right now. It will be nice to see him perform in a pre-season game and I hope the kid is legit, but to assume that he will even make the 53 man roster is a bit premature. Al has a tendency to keep superfast WRs on the Davis scholarship and DHB ain’t going anywhere.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Did you see Campbell’s came out with a new soup?
J-Wow Combo Soup
With chunks of yardage
and touch downs
August 7th, 2011 at 9:28 am
DHB? Fully suited up, not working with trainers, not given a timetable, not disclosed on injuries.
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He has mono
August 7th, 2011 at 9:28 am
I talked to Kirk Morrison earlier Saturday afternoon
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On fox sports radio. He hosts an afternoon show with Rob Dibble Saturday afternoons this off-season.
I first told him that I can hear it in his voice that he still bleeds Silver&Black when he was describing former Raider greats Art Shell and Gene Upshaw (rip) and how football has changed since those teams were kicking *** and taking names…
He laughed and said “The Autumn wind is a Raidah” in his best John Facenda voice..
Long story short just told him that the Raider Nation still has love for him and if he wants to come grab that open weakside LB spot we’d love to have him back in the silver&Black.
He went on to say that it’s funny because he played mostly Weakside in college so it wouldn’t be totally out of the question.
He also went on to say that when he signed his first contract with the Raiders that he wanted to play his entire career in the Silver&black, but Al Davis had other plans…
-Pro sports daily
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I’ll take Capt. Kirk over a banged up Lofa. If Carroll things Tatupa is done I would leave him alone.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:31 am
*thinks
August 7th, 2011 at 9:33 am
There have a been a ton a superfast rec’s who got cut you have to show promise. Those guys on the pracetic esquad are fast too. But they haven’t taken a snap in regular season for a reason. DHB is here because he shows promise whether you like it or not. The kid can play he just needs to do it. This year is another year at that position he needs to show improvement. I know he will.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:34 am
The media just released what is wrong with DHB, he has no talent and is a waste of space. Al Davis the great evaluator of talent. Hire a GM already. I bleed silver and black but am realistic, lucky to be 500 this year.
You never let a stud like Nnamdi leave, not just a great player but a class act. Stanford Routt 10 mil a year what a f…ing joke, he would be a nickle back on a good team. We have some young talent and alot of scrubs- Hiram Eugene should be in the arena league. Need a QB bad, I like Trent Edwards, hope he gets a shot. I am keeping the faith, just another frustrated loyal fan.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:35 am
priesttj Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 9:19 am
WE suffered through maturation and development stage with these rec’s but it’s over now.
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Yep. Make plays or get out the way
August 7th, 2011 at 9:37 am
What are you smoking priesttj, have you watched DHB , he has hands of stone. He aint got it.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:38 am
I wouldn’t be suprised if DHB was inactive more weeks this year, than the amount of TD’s he catches.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:39 am
JWB,
Yeah, Brown was ball hawk in camp, game time too. Hope the Moore twins do the same.
HB, Both our OLB spots lack speed…but when Kirk was here, his speed either got us INTs or tackles after long runs. Mind you, that was as a MLB.
Could Kirk improve upon that as an OLB?
Wimbley is a pass rusher, and bless his heart for it. Groves might be able to pass rush, but damn if he don’t look silly in coverage or stopping the run.
Goethel gives me hope, but I’ll wait for post preseason results to form a solid opinion.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:42 am
I’m suprised with the rumblings of Goethel moving to the inside, that we didn’t start getting our annual pleas to switch to a 3-4 in here.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Priest – what promise, other than speed, has he shown? He’s a downfield blocker? OK, I will give him that much. Nothing more. I would like to see him be a great reciever, but I haven’t even seen flashes of anything closely resembling greatness yet. I think DHB will be on the Seattle Seacocks roster by this time next year, if not sooner.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Weird quote from DHB on Day 3 Notes
Not sure what to get from this…
When asked the reason for his absence, Heyward-Bey refused to give any specifics.
“I can’t really say,” Heyward-Bey said. “Just trying to get back, trying to get ready. I am in meetings and everything, staying on top of everything and being a coach on the sidelines.”
He said he is receiving treatment for his undisclosed injury. When pressed, he said: “It might be a toothache.”
August 7th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Your brain is of stone, more than his hands.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Oh my goodness. This is getting more and more ridiculous. Do you guys actually pay attn or do you go based on your biased thoughts?
Hue refers to everyone’s injuries as “nicks”. You only know what McFadden & Ford have (and quite frankly how could you miss it). Hue never said what BCampbell had. Hue just says he’s not 100%. We only know its something with his knee because its been reported he had it on ice. Hue never said what DHB had (my guess would be hammy or groin muscle). Sht, I don’t even know what Murphy has. Hue always refers to these things as “nicks”. So not knowing what’s going on with DHB is NOTHING NEW!
Furthermore, DHB HAS BEEN PRACTICING!!! For the past few days may I add he has been doing drills. What you are reading is that he is not practicing in full scrimmage or 7-on-7s. Thats what these writers are talking about. Thats where most of the action is, thats where you get these Moore highlights, and thats why they write in frustration – where’s DHB. What’s wrong with him. Why is he not participating in full scrimmage live practice.
Hue has said time and time again that he is not going to put a player out there if he is noot 100%. Assume DHB is not 100% and Hue is taking it slow (sht, Hue even said that in yesterday’s pressers “some players you can just stick out there and some you have to take it slow”).
DHB has suffered hammies (& possibly groin pull before too) and it tended to stick with him for a while. Think back no further than last year. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was related and Hue is taking it slow for that reason alone.
Some of you are just ridiculous in your prognostications.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am
DHB is just another name on the looong list of 1st rd WR busts….he has done nothing to make ANYONE have confidence in his abilities to be a NFL WR. Thats the bottom line cuz B Hal said so.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:01 am
I would bet a fair amount of cold beers that DHB does not have 20 catches this year….
August 7th, 2011 at 10:01 am
WTF are you even talking about? Hue said last week DHB was close(r) than BCampbell and should be on the field praticing soon.
NOW YOU ARE SEEING HIM ON THE FIELD PRACTICING!!!!
WTF do you mean Hue has never given a timetable? Thats called seletive hearing/listening or whatever you want to call it.
Hue is just easing him in – being precautious. You guys are reading way too much into this.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:03 am
What you are reading is that he is not practicing in full scrimmage or 7-on-7s
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Check Jerry Mac’s twitter.
Not working with the trainers, doesn’t appear limited in his own workout drills……..not practicing in full-team activity.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Terrapin,
It appears your beef is with the Bay Area writers, because all we are doing is regurgitating what they are writing and tweeting.
The timetable thing? Proffestional NFL sports writer Jerry McDonald speaks of it. You think he is having selective hearing, or just reporting the facts?
August 7th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Barry Halverson Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am
DHB is just another name on the looong list of 1st rd WR busts….he has done nothing to make ANYONE have confidence in his abilities to be a NFL WR. Thats the bottom line cuz B Hal said so.
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I really hate to admit it, but your absolutely correct. Hes done NOTHING to inspire any confidence, not even a IOTA OF PROJECTABILITY OTHER THAT A FKNG DECOY.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Lost in all the Miller-Boss talk is the fact that we will get at least a couple of compensatory picks in return for next year’s draft.
So we sign Boss for half of Miller’s price and we get an extra pick that, combined with Nnamdi and Gallery also leaving, could well turn into a 3rd rounder, as well as an extra 4th or 5th and maybe a 6th or 7th.
The max a team can get is 4 comp picks, but I doubt the league will give us all four.
We lost Nnamdi, Gallery and Miller to Free Agency, all signed big contracts and will start, so money and playing time which are part of the formula to award picks are covered, postseason honors is the other one, Nnamdi should make the Pro Bowl and Miller has a chance.
On the other hand, the only Free Agent of note we signed is Boss, so the formula should work out well for the Raiders.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Just Win Baby Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Priest – what promise, other than speed, has he shown? He’s a downfield blocker? OK, I will give him that much. Nothing more. I would like to see him be a great reciever, but I haven’t even seen flashes of anything closely resembling greatness yet. I think DHB will be on the Seattle Seacocks roster by this time next year, if not sooner.
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To wit, that pass he caught vs the “Seacocks” was pretty nice. Beat double coverage with the safety coming over the top for 6. And you fools say he doesn’t draw the double a lot. HA!!
Just leave the guy alone and let him work on his craft. If the coaching staff believes its time to move on so be it. Obviously, they think otherwise and see more promise/talent than you fools.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Even at 100%, DHB is of no consequence.
Best treatment for DHB would be a quick call to Tanya Harding.
At current, DHB is No. 5 on the depth chart but being paid as a No. 1.
Maybe Bush can pull a Ken Norton and wipe out his leg for us.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
BLTN Raiders practice notes: DHB missing practice, with no limp, no wraps, and not rehabbing with inj. players during practice looks bad
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
BLTN Raiders practice notes: Yes, Raiders don’t want to divulge injuries. But in DHB’s situation, you wonder why no timetable.
11 hours ago
BLTN Raiders practice notes: DHB still suiting up, going through a few drills, then watching all team sessions. Can’t develop this way.
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There you go Terrapin, so stop yelling at us and acting like we are making stuff up.
This is what the Raiders beat writer is reporting.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Here’s an example from the 2011 Draft:
“The Carolina Panthers were among the big losers in free agency a year ago, with Julius Peppers leaving for Chicago. So a year later, they’re the big winners in compensatory draft picks.
The NFL announced today announced how this year’s 32 compensatory choices in the NFL Draft have been allocated, and the Panthers (who also lost free agent quarterback A.J. Feeley last year) are the only team with a third-round compensatory pick, as well as the only team to get three compensatory picks overall.
The Panthers ended up with the 33rd pick in the third round (97th overall), 38th pick in the sixth round (207th overall) and 43rd pick in the seventh round (243rd overall) as compensatory selections.”
- Consider that Carolina got those picks for losing a great player in Peppers and a backup in Feeley….we lost Nnamdi, Miller and Gallery, a much bigger “hit” so we should be rewarded accordingly.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 10:03 am
What you are reading is that he is not practicing in full scrimmage or 7-on-7s
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Check Jerry Mac’s twitter.
Not working with the trainers, doesn’t appear limited in his own workout drills……..not practicing in full-team activity.
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Dude, what do even think this means? Are you even reading it? Let me break it down: HE IS PRACTICING!!! Just not in full team drills (i.e. scrimmages of offense vs defense, i.e. 7-on-7s).
I don’t just look at Jerry’s tweets (as late as they are anyways). I look at:
Vittrio Tafur
Jerry McDonald
Paul Guiterrez
Silverandblackp ***(probably gives most info as its a fan leaving the dream tweating from practice so he’s not trying to get the latest ’scope’ like these ‘professional’ writers)
I look at them all and I can say that I know DHB is on the field practicing!!! Just not in full team activiites. Sht man, even Steve said it above, what more do you want?
“*Receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey was a bystander for most of practice once again. Jackson said he is holding back on turning loose Heyward-Bey until he is certain that Heyward-Bey is fully recoverd from whatever ails him.”
August 7th, 2011 at 10:23 am
I think DHB join the City of Oakland Employees Union and is doing as all City and State workers do. Was he seen leaning on a shovel?
August 7th, 2011 at 10:25 am
I say DHB has a nick of a very private nature and the Raiders are looking after their player by keeping it out of the news.
A lot of smoke, no fire
DHB = MIR
August 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Ahh, so is recovered from his whatever ails him (read, his period finally stopped).
August 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Consider that Carolina got those picks for losing a great player in Peppers and a backup in Feeley….we lost Nnamdi, Miller and Gallery, a much bigger “hit” so we should be rewarded accordingly.
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Not if the free agents we took in have awsome years! What if Edwards and Boss go to the pro bowl? No picks for us.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:26 am
awesome
August 7th, 2011 at 10:29 am
J-Raider Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
2001
1. Derrick Gibson, S, Florida State
2002
1a. Phillip Buchanon, CB, Miami, Fla.
1b. Napoleon Harris, LB, Northwestern
2003
1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California
1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado
2004
1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
2005
1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska
2006
1. Michael Huff, S, Texas
2007
1. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
2008
1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
2009
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
2010
1. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
i hope we start drafting better in the future ….
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I believe 9 of those players are still in the league.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey was a bystander for most of practice once again. Jackson said he is holding back on turning loose Heyward-Bey until he is certain that Heyward-Bey is fully recoverd from whatever ails him
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Whatever ails him is his inability to move up the depth chart.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Good post, Marley! I was wondering how compensatory picks worked out. We could desperatley use them, seeing we’re down some picks for next year.
More picks, more DB’s.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:31 am
bush did not get any offers from any other team who is going to lose a 1st and 3rd, due to the fact that for his whole time here he has failed to put his fat azzz in shape for a full 4 quater game. i hope his 11 days of golf got him shape but probably not. yeah hes big 260 or whatever, but so is jacobs in new york and that man looks like steak where as bush looks like bologna.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Let me correct my typing:
Silverandblackp ***(probably gives most info as its a fan living the dream tweeting from practice so he’s not trying to get the latest ’scope’ like these ‘professional’ writers)
Some SNB tweets on DHB just for your digestion:
silverandblackp S&B Pride’s Editors
DHB is in and looking hreat
3 Aug
silverandblackp S&B Pride’s Editors
DHB is looking solid again in warmups. Chaz too. These receivers, with the addition of Danarius Moore look to be playmakers this year.
4 Aug
silverandblackp S&B Pride’s Editors
Hey Bey just put one on the ground. First drop I’ve seen in three days.
5 Aug
silverandblackp S&B Pride’s Editors
The camp hero, Denarius Moore, is now running with the first team in DHB’s position.
5 Aug
…………….. Now, let me put some meat around that for ya! DHB is practicing in limied drills and he looks pretty good. He is not practicing in full team drills hence other players are getting a lot more shine. Do you get the pic???
August 7th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Whatever man, just continue to rely on your singular source of info or you can follow many as I have to get a better picture of what’s going on in camp. Its not perfect but its the best we have until the games start. Which at this point I don’t think DHB or Murphy will play in vs AZ; unless DHB starts fully participating in practice.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Practice looked pretty pathetic RAIDERS IN TROUBLE.Need a coach.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Big Pep,
Are you joking or just trolling? Bush is a much better RB than Jacobs. Also, whenever Bush has gotten 20+ carries he’s gone on a tear and often broken off long TD runs in the 4th quarter.
Jacobs is not in Bush’s class and Bush wears down defenses. Not the other way around.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Get in line Dvrick, we are far harder on our team than any troll could ever be.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Your awfully aggressive these days Terrapin.
Relax man, the DHB situation will eventually play out, and we will have our answers.
I’m rooting for the kid, but things don’t seem to be getting better in the land of DHB. No press releases this offseason for DHB. Just a demotion.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:45 am
All you guys have to do is read the postpractice comments today and you’ll see he is practices he’s just not in on 7 on 7’s because that is the competitive phase of practice he’ll be involved in contact so they hold him out just like they do everyone else who’s hurt.
Hue wants these guys ready when we play Denver not AZ. It’s just common sense but to some people that does not apply.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:46 am
247.Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Get in line Dvrick, we are far harder on our team than any troll could ever be.
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lol…When at the zoo dont feed the dumb animals…
August 7th, 2011 at 10:54 am
What are you talking about man??? What ‘demotion’? The guy was injured and he is coming back. What demotion??
They are all competing. Sheez, you guys say some of the craziest things.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Did you even read the damn tweets I posted that said DHB looked pretty good/solid????
What do you mean things don’t seem to be getting better for him. Sheez!
August 7th, 2011 at 10:56 am
I don’t know what else to tell ya’. I’m done.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Terrapin and priestbj,
Al will still let you sniff his diaper if you acknowledge that DHB is not an NFL player. He is absolutely awful and will never be a legitimate NFL receiver. He is never going to help the team win.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Terrapin,give it up.These guys will never accept DHB even if he was to lead the league in receiving for 10 straight years.They hate him for where he was drafted and how much he was paid even though he didn’t draft himself or offer himself the contract he received.They will never acknowledge him making any plays.Whenever he does anything good it will always be because someone else screwed up.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Anyway, for anyone looking for information about the goings on in camp I say pull up these guys on twitter. This is the best I have so far.
silverandblackp (fan who’s at practice tweeting, gives most info so far)
Vittorio Tafur (gives a lot of info)
LeviDaimen (i have not viewed but prob ranks up there with SNB, i will start)
Jerry McDonald (late, but give good info)
Paul Guitterez (slacker)
August 7th, 2011 at 11:00 am
I love our new coach….cable doesn’t motivate. ” hip hip horray ” ??? Get the f out of here!!
August 7th, 2011 at 11:03 am
I will give props to the player personnel department…
They have been able to uncovered some nice gems…
August 7th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey was a bystander for most of practice once again. Jackson said he is holding back on turning loose Heyward-Bey until he is certain that Heyward-Bey is fully recoverd from whatever ails him. Neither Jackson nor Heyward-Bey has identified the injury.
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Perhaps the training staff needs to get over to the local Rite-Aid, or CVS, and get a bottle of Vagisil for DHB…..
August 7th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Player personal department aka Al Davis ..don’t get. It twisted. I can see Al telling rookie WR Moore ” I saw your first Jr high football game, you had 11 receptions”……Moore ” wow, I don’t even remember that game”
August 7th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I read somewhere that JFORD had his cast removed….If thats the case then he will be in the fold for the opener.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:09 am
This is a nugget I just read from LeviDamien’s blog:
[At one point Hue Jackson called out "if you are a one, get on the field" and the first team offensive line at this moment is LT Jared Veldheer, LG Daniel Loper, C Samson Satele, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT Khalif Barnes.]
Thats where it stands now with our lineup. It could all change but thats where we are at this point.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:11 am
SharkCaher, I do have it twisted. Mr. Davis does not make all of the personnel decisions for this team…
August 7th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Terrapin,give it up.These guys will never accept DHB even if he was to lead the league in receiving for 10 straight years.They hate him for where he was drafted and how much he was paid
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This is flat-out delusional.
As Raider fans, by now we’re all used to players being overpaid or over-drafted. Has nothing to do with that. DHB isn’t even having much of an effect on the salary cap this season.
It ALL has to do with production. At this point? I’d settle for Louis Murphy-level production (even though the Raiders could have had Nicks, Maclin, Harvin, even Britt or Crabtree – all of whom are far more accomplished receivers). DHB hasn’t even provided that much.
DHB has been outplayed by two fourth round picks. He’ll soon be outplayed by a fifth-round pick. A seventh-round WR who is ALWAYS INJURED has as many TDs as DHB. The amount of plays that DHB has made can be counted on one hand.
1st round or 7th round, no receiver is drafted to be a decoy/blocker. WRs are drafted to contribute to the offense by catching balls and putting up points. DHB has not done that, nor has he shown that he’s on his way to doing that.
I’d love to be wrong. I’d love for DHB to come in and put up 700 yards and score 4 TDs. Hell, I’d love for him to put up 500 yards and 2 or 3 TDs, and contribute on the level that Murphy, Ford, and Chaz have. Pretty modest expectations. But right now he’s the odd man out. Forcing him into a starting role takes reps away from better players who ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE.
That is the reason people are frustrated with DHB. Not draft status. Not his salary. It’s the fact that he quite simply doesn’t make plays that help take the Raider offense to the next level.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:11 am
We need another linemen..NFL ups are The wiz 2.0 and who else?
August 7th, 2011 at 11:13 am
lefty12 is right Terrapin they love to hate that kid for something he had nothing to do with he just played. He had some good games last year but they’ll NEVER admit it. JC just chose to go underneath him. They have to get more of a chemistry goign and DHB will be fine.
DHB has to shut them up, you never will.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Get kirk morrison back and cut groves let morrison and goethel play OLB
August 7th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Tell me about it Lefty. I just posted for the guy a source at practice saying DHB is looking pretty solid and all they come back with is he doesn’t look good or things are not looking good with respect to DHB.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:14 am
not joking or trolling, he needs to get his ass in gear hes not been a starter so until i see him get 20 carries a game for a full season and not tap the top of his helmet hes out of shape, i just wish he would have been in camp. the only reason i compared him to jacobs is because they weight about the same. thats the reason i used the steak and bologna comparisons.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:14 am
It was a joke thec. But I’ve heard stories about al telling players about games they played in high school ECT..I ve been on this blog for about ten years now
August 7th, 2011 at 11:15 am
909, classic.
I will admit, however, if DHB starts taking ‘em to the house and puts up big numbers, I will be the first to start making authentic knock off jerseys and exporting them to Oakland.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Yeah, I’m shutting up now and hope DHB shows something, anything, to get rid of these vultures they call fans (or lets use the real term – fanatics aka crazies)
August 7th, 2011 at 11:17 am
270.SharkCatcher Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 11:14 am
It was a joke thec. But I’ve heard stories about al telling players about games they played in high school ECT..I ve been on this blog for about ten years now
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My bad, went way over my head…
August 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I keep hearing Kirk Morrisons name thrown around the last couple of weeks, doesn’t he have a big contract with the Jags? Side note Kirk is cool. I partied with him in Vegas memorial day weekend as soon as I saw him I’m like ” raaaiiiddders” he’s like I’m a JAG ..I’ said….you’ll always be a raider kid!!( when I say I” p”artied with him…I just mean we had bottles at tables next to each other)
August 7th, 2011 at 11:21 am
This offense averaged about 25ppg last year (lets just say 20ppg to be conservative) with DHB in the starting lineup. You would think we were gawd awful the way these guys talk. Obviously he had to have been doing something out there.
I hope he does take it to the next level. This O is going to be lights out. Too much speed plus two dominant RBs. Its just too much to defend. When it clicks you get what you say vs Denver, vs Seattle etc. Its like a tidal wave.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:21 am
DHB is going to get his shot, and he will be a productive Raider WR…
Coach Jackson will figure out how to use all of the strengths from this WR corp, and get the most out of them….
August 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am
i dont fucn troll i bleed silver and black. GO RAIDERS, FUC THE REST.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am
This O is going to be lights out. Too much speed plus two dominant RBs. Its just too much to defend. When it clicks you get what you say vs Denver, vs Seattle etc. Its like a tidal wave.
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We have the potential of doing that to everyone…
August 7th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Alexander Wright, Terry Mickens, P. Bobo, Alvis Whitted, Moss, Rocket Ismail, DHB are just a number of WRs this vulture has circled over waiting to see if their careers were dead…
August 7th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Why isn’t DHB fully participating in practice ?
It’s not because he’s going to be traded or redoing his contract.
It’s because he’s injured and not 100% ready to go full speed.
What is the injury ? My guess is it’s a muscle pull. Sort of thing that isn’t entirely debilitating, but lingers and could get worse if it’s pushed before fully healed.
Could be something more severe, but not career threatening, that takes time to come back from. Wouldn’t be impossible that DHB had some surgery that hasn’t been revealed to anyone. Something like a sports hernia or even a scope job on a knee.
I have little doubt he’ll be back at full speed within a few weeks at most.
How he’ll perform is another matter.
The thing that concerns me most abt DHB is his ability to catch the ball.
Will he ever show an ability to track a deep throw and haul it in over his shoulder with his back to the LOS ?
A deep threat has to be able to do that.
First, he has to show he can even catch the ball facing JaJason. DHB’s drop at the end of the last KC game was ridiculously bad. Makes one wonder if he can ever get it together.
It’s hard to write off a WR with the size/speed combination DHB posesses, but that will happen unless he shows an ability to secure the ball. I haven’t reached that point yet, and I doubt Al Davis has either, but the clock is ticking on DHB.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:24 am
You say it is delusional then you talk about lower drafted players and others whom we could have drafted but didn’t.Davis drafted DHB based on potential not his readiness to make an immediate impact,like he does with a lot of high picks.You wouldn’t love to be wrong,that is pure BS.You guys want him to fail,hence the cut him now attitude.You are all afraid you are going to be wrong and won’t be able to come here and say’I told you so’!The fact is you don’t give up on someone with his speed and size in such a short period of time.BTW,Jer is one of you.in the 2+ years DHB has been on the team,Jer has never given the kid a fair shake.Time will tell if DHB will make it.I,for one,hope he does to shut all you know-it-alls up.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:24 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
the first team offensive line at this moment is LT Jared Veldheer, LG Daniel Loper, C Samson Satele, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT Khalif Barnes.]
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That makes the most sense. A lot more sense then two or three rookies starting on the oline
August 7th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Al Davis has done some great things in the NFL and as an owner he has made many mistakes as well. One mistake, which is now a Dallas problem, is keeping Rob Ryan as the defensive coordinator for 4 or 5 years.
When I was reading the Sunday morning sports page, there he was…this big fat, really fat, long hair moran touting his greatness. Quote: We (Dallas) have excellent defensive players, an excellent staff and an excellent coach. So we’re going to be an excellent team this year. If someone doesn’t like that, it’s too bad.” Spoken by new defensive coordinator Roy Ryan.
What a way to start a Sunday, by having to look at a picture of a big fat moran, who blew game after game for us with his “prevent defensive” and his “no-pressure” games. I hated the dud then and I hate him now.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:26 am
On the bright side of this DHB debate I think coach Jackson used him a lot better with reverses and quick slants last season . You can’t help but root for the kid because he’s a hard worker. At the same.time I know what Raider fans want too see……they want to see dhb be burning someone for a td like deshawn Jackson does.almost every game.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Whereas the likes of Javon Walker, Jerry Porter, Johnnie Morant, et al, were DOA.
As a fan, not as a coach with secret inside info, DHB has yet to impress me, but am available to be impressed by DHB, or any other WR, should they be so inclined.
For the time being, I am only anticipate exporting Ford Jerseys.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:33 am
New post
August 7th, 2011 at 11:35 am
SharkCatcher Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 11:20 am
I keep hearing Kirk Morrisons name thrown around the last couple of weeks, doesn’t he have a big contract with the Jags?
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Nope, He is a UFA, and hasn’t been sniffed by any team, even though he averaged 100 tackles a year for six years. I’m glad we replaced him as MLB, but I think he could be useful on the outside. He would at least be an upgrade over Groves – who apparently spent the offseason burning tree and eating poptarts.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:35 am
hec07 Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 11:21 am
DHB is going to get his shot, and he will be a productive Raider WR…
Coach Jackson will figure out how to use all of the strengths from this WR corp, and get the most out of them….
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Eh, wouldn’t bank on it friend.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Terp – I dont know what catch you refer to, but I will allow it. DHB made one nice catch vs the Seacocks. I think Khalif Barnes made a couple nice grabs last year too. May have even caught a td if I remember correctly. I wouldn’t say this makes either of them promising prospects to excel at WR this season.
August 7th, 2011 at 11:47 am
What do you need run blocking for?You don’t have any serious running backs!And if your gonna say DMAC don’t He’ll end up having a very bad season because of injurys just wait and see.GO CHARGERS
August 7th, 2011 at 11:52 am
# 277 Idon’t think you bleed silver and black I think you bleed STUPID!! GO DOLPHINS!!!
August 7th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
142.Fear_the_eyepatch Says:
August 7th, 2011 at 11:58 am
@ Dvprick
Since you are a Seachicken fan and talk all this big head, why don’t you stop by the Orleans on 1st ave downtown Seattle next to the stadium in your Seachicken gear on Sept 2nd and see what kind of reception you get in your own town. Then you will see what real fans are about and find out why there is only 1 true nation…………RAIDER NATION!!!! NW Raiders reppin on you all day every day in your town punk!
August 7th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
By the way The Orleans?That says alot about your class.You’re probably a wanted felon on the run!
August 7th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
CODE PINK-THE TAIDERS HAVE TAKEN THE FIELD IN THEIR FAIRY OUTFITS!!
August 7th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
[...] 3,122 *Here we go again. If we’re writing about another practice, there surely must be some talk of rookie receiver Denarius Moore. And there is plenty, once again. Moore got jammed by strong safety Tyvon Branch at the line of scrimmage on a one-on-one drill, worked his way through the setback and hauled in a pass from Kyle Boller with one hand and without allowing Branch to break it up. In another drill, Moore put a move on cornerback DeMarcus Van Dyke, bolted downfield and made an impressive catch despite tight coverage by Van Dyke and safety Hiram Eugene. “I guess I could say I’m starting to expect it,” Moore said. “Every time the ball is going up, I want to be the guy who’s coming back down with it, so if I can do it in practice, the coaches can depend on me in the game.” The coaches are so high on Moore that they inserted him into the lineup with the starting offense at the end of practice in a red-zone drill. Moore is feeding off the confidence and making more and more believers every day. “It gives me a lot of confidence knowing the quarterback’s trusting me in and out of the huddle, knowing that I understand my plays and I’m a guy that they’re starting to depend on,” Moore said. In a rare down moment, Moore dropped a crossing route that hit him in the hands. Full Article Here —> Raiders training camp practice highlights, notes and quotes – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look in… [...]
August 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
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August 7th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Boy,the TAIDERS look like a bad practice squad on the field.HUE YOU SUCK!!!
August 7th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Good to see such passionate fans.
We all want to see better and more consistent production from the passing game.
from the OLine protection
to QB execution
to WRs getting open and catching the ball
The passing game must improve
and I am happy to hear any news that suggests that it is regardless of which player is the source.
Aside from Ford V12, its an open competition for WR playing time. IMO
August 8th, 2011 at 12:03 am
[...] McClain tells Steve Corkran of the Oakland Tribune that he’s bigger, faster, stronger and more prepared for his second season with the Raiders. [...]
August 8th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
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August 7th, 2011 at 11:03 am
I will give props to the player personnel department…
They have been able to uncovered some nice gems…
*******************************************The ONLY PROBLEM IS THOSE GEMS ARE ON THE SEAHAWKS ROSTER LMAO!!!
August 8th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Maybe SPEILBERG could create a new Sunday morning cartoon show called – TINY TOONS PRESENTS THE WAIDER BABIES now that would be fitting LOL
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