Q & A with coach Rod Woodson
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, August 9th, 2011 at 9:28 am in 2011 Preseason, Oakland Raiders.
First-year Raiders cornerbacks coach Rod Woodson spoke with the media Monday on a wide range of topics, from his thoughts on some of the young players under his charge, to what it’s like coaching after a Hall of Fame career as a player, to what the Raiders defense is going to look like this season.
Woodson spoke for nine minutes after practice. Here is a transcription:
Q: What has it been like coaching so far?
A: “So far, so good. One-a-days is not tough on the coaches. It’s not really, really tough on the players yet. So far, so good. I can’t complain about it.”
Q: Has anything surprised you yet?
A: “Nope. No. Seven years removed, I’ve prepared myself for the worst. It hasn’t gotten to that point yet, but I’m ready for the long days when the season starts.”
Q: Are you a guy who isn’t very vocal when coaching?
A: “Well, I don’t think I need to scream and holler. Every coach has his own style. At the end of the day, the train is leaving. It’s going to leave with the guys or without the guys. My style is, if you want to get a paycheck, be on the train. I don’t need to tell you that. At the end of the day, if you’re not doing your job, you’re going to get cut. That’s the bottom line. That’s the reality of it. Throughout my career, my coaches never really yelled at me too much. I was a player that didn’t really respond to yelling. There’s some guys you need to push. There’s ways you find to push certain players. Other guys, you just tell them what to do, and they’ll do it. You have to find your way.”
Q: Which coaches influenced you during your 17-year playing career
A: “Gosh, all of them. Chuck Noll, Rod Rust, Tony Dungy, Dick Labeau, Dom Capers, Bill Cowher, Steve Mariucci, Johnnie Fox, he was a rookie coach when he was in Pittsburgh. All those guys who I coached under, I learned a little bit of something from them all.”
Q: What was it like watching the Pro Football Hall of Fame speeches this year? Enjoyable?
A: “Oh, yeah. They’re getting longer. It feels like they’re getting longer. But anytime you can go back and see the great classes that come back. I think there was like eighty-something guys that went back this year. It’s always good to go back and see those guys and see the guys that are getting enshrined that year.”
Q: What can you tell people about rookie cornerback DeMarcus Van Dyke?
A: “Well, DVD is his nickname. He’s going to be good. It’s the little things that he has to work on. He has to learn how to finish. He’s still learning the little things about playing corner in this league, playing the different coverages, when to do certain things, when not to do certain things. But if he keeps progressing in the positive manner like he has in the first week or so, he’ll be a decent player.”
Q: What is it about Van Dyke that caught your eye when you worked him out before the NFL draft?
A: “He has great hips. He reminds me of a player that I played with in Baltimore, Duane Starks. When he got drafted coming out of The U, and we were in Baltimore, he had great hips, great feet. DVD reminds me of him. He’s a little bit taller. His range, I don’t think too many receivers are outrunning him. So, he has to learn to break down, move his body weight and transition when he’s playing in space. If he does that, he can be a pretty good player.”
Q: What are your impressions of free safety Michael Huff?
A: “Mike’s a player. He’s a playmaker. He has a natural instinct, a natural gift. I’m also coaching the nickels. I coach more with the other guys than I do with him. When you don’t have to coach as much with a certain guy, it makes your job a little easier. That’s when you know he has that natural gift. You don’t have to tell him to do the little things. It just comes naturally to him.”
Q: Do your Hall of Fame credentials help you coach so many young players?
A: “It’s a start. But if I tell them to go the wrong way, it’s not going to last too long. I’m just trying to point them in the right direction. Each player is different. Every player learns differently. Some guys are audio learners, some guys are visual, some guys need to do the reps. The things that I did in my career, I can’t ask the same guy to do the same thing. It really depends upon their abilities. Each player plays within that ability. If they can do that and I can help them cultivate their tool belt, so to speak, in their craft, then I’m doing my job as a coach.”
Q: What kind of coverage does defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan prefer?
A: “Multiple. The great defenses that I played with, and I know Chuck has been around, have done a multiple of things. I don’t think you can do one thing and be good at it. What has to happen in this league is, you have to make the quarterback think after he touches the football. What Chuck is trying to cultivate with his defense is, to give multiple looks, make sure we have our disguises in the secondary and linebackers and from that we move to what we’re going to play in. If we can do that, then we’re headed in the right direction. Chuck, what he wants to do is, give multiple looks, multiple defenses and make the quarterback guess.”
Q: What is your impression of Stanford Routt after 10 days? Is he an elite cornerback?
A: “He can be. Stanford, he’s a work in progress. He has natural gifts. Every player that gets drafted in the NFL has those gifts. He has to cultivate those gifts. He’s had Willie here for so long, he has learned under Nnamdi. It’s his turn to learn how to play the game and learn to trust himself. The elite players learn to trust themselves on the field. Once he does that and he pulls the trigger when he has opportunities to pull the trigger, his game is going to elevate, his interceptions is going to go up and that’s when you’re going to start hearing his name more so than you have in the past.”
Q: Can pulling that trigger once and making a big play start that process?
A: “Everything’s a process. Step by step. What Stanford has done so far in this new system is, he’s learning the system, he’s learning how to trust himself, he’s learning how to work his eyes, his balance with his feet, all the things that you need to do as a defensive back, as a defensive player, as an NFL player, to trust what you have learned in the meeting room, on the field and apply back to the practice field and game day. Those are the elite players. He’s in the process of doing so.”
Q: Do the Raiders really play 90 percent man or however much?
A: “I know when I was here, we played multiple coverages. We played four, we played man, we played some zones. That’s what we’re going to do again. I don’t know what they did in the seven or eight years that I was gone, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is, this year, 2011 Raiders, that the guys buy in to what Hue is selling. All the guys are doing that. We’re learning that there’s a standard that we’re asking of our players when they step on the practice field, there’s a practice for when we step (on the field) on game day. And it doesn’t matter if it’s the first-team guy, second-team guy, the third-team guy, the standard is set. You have to live up the standard or you won’t be a Raider.”
Q: What do you think of Chris Johnson?
A: “Chris can play. I like Chris. He’s an old wily vet. He’s kind of the same way as Stanford a little bit. He has to start trusting himself and start pulling that trigger. All the film study, everything we’re giving him as coaches, everything he’s learned throughout his career and from other players, once he can apply that back to the field and not hesitate, those are the guys that you really look forward to see play. C.J. is in that process. He believes that he can do certain things and as he progresses this year, he’s going to have a good year.”
Q: Do those guys need to play better to compensate for the loss of Asomugha?
A: “Even with Nnamdi, if Nnamdi was here, I would tell him Nnamdi the same thing. He didn’t have a lot of picks. He was a shut-down corner but pulling the trigger gives you the opportunity to make picks. They have to start pulling that trigger. There’s certain things throughout the practice, there’s certain plays, you only get two or three plays as a defensive back to make plays. Once they start learning how to pull that trigger, and I’m talking about the safeties, the DBs, the linebackers, the defensive linemen, everybody, we’ll be an explosive defense.”
Q: Have you always wanted to coach?
A: “I thought about it for years but after playing for 17 years I was offered my first few years when I first retired, but I needed to get away. So, being away for seven years, I thought this was the best time to give it a shot, see if I like it, see if I don’t mess the guys up too much. If I can do that, then I’ll try to make a career of it.”
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August 9th, 2011 at 9:31 am
The NFL announced the date for the Supplemental Draft yesterday – August 17. The NFL informed all 32 teams of the scheduled draft, but then added that, as of Monday, there were no players approved for the draft.
So, what’s the point of the draft?
Well, there are at least two known applicants for the draft. Former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor and Georgia running back Caleb King have both requested eligibility for the supplemental selection. Apparently, however, the NFL has either ruled them ineligible or, more likely, has not ruled yet on the two players.
The NFL’s Supplemental Draft is designed to allow underclassmen who did not apply for the NFL Draft before the deadline, but who now find themselves ineligible for college football. The players then petition the NFL for a Supplemental Draft, and, after reviewing each case, the NFL rules on a player’s eligibiltiy.
The Supplemental Draft is a silent auction type of draft. Each team is given a list of eligible players. If they are interested in someone, they then put in for the selection, stating what round of the draft they would take the player. Which ever team options to take the player in the earliest round is awarded the rights to him. If two teams both select a player in the same round, the team with the lowest draft pick would receive the player (essentially, the same order as the selections in the NFL Draft back in April, if no trades were made.)
However, if a team is awarded the player, they forfeit their pick from that round in the next draft. So, a team must have a draft pick in 2012 (i.e., have not traded it), to use that selection in the Supplemental Draft.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Thankx Kirk!
August 9th, 2011 at 9:33 am
RamRod is the man!
August 9th, 2011 at 9:36 am
What’s up Nation???
August 9th, 2011 at 9:36 am
We have two safeties known for their weak run defense skills
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You mean the safties who are No. 1 and No. 2 on the team in tackles…Branch is is a weak run defender?
August 9th, 2011 at 9:37 am
4 the nfl network,that is,Kirk
August 9th, 2011 at 9:38 am
What Stanford has done so far in this new system is, he’s learning the system,
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New system?????
August 9th, 2011 at 9:39 am
325. Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Alex,
im confident they will improve for a few reasons. Besides being 29th against the run cant be pinned on the d line exclusively, it takes 11 guys to be a run defense.
1.) shaugnessy will start from the beginning of the year. the run d really improved once he was inserted into the starting line up. he and houston are very good against the run at the end spots.
2.) the linebackers are better. Groves was barley serviceable last year, and romac was learning on the fly. Although romac evened out and started having a real impact over the last 5-6 games, groves never did. This year romac will be a much bigger force, and goethel who is known as a vicious run stuffer will vastly improve the run defense.
3.) Hendu is healthy. hendu went out for a long stretch last year and that hurt our rotation. The guys in the middle got tired. this year they wont in part because of the new tempo that hu jack has them practicing for.
4.) Disguising the defense will cause the qb to guess wrong a times and audible into disaster.
5.) Our offense will be explosive and put big points on the board. this will force teams to throw the ball in order to try and keep pace, much like the 2002 season. the raiders will not have to face nearly as many rushing attempts, thereby drastically reducing the run yardage they give up.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:42 am
“Multiple. The great defenses that I played with, and I know Chuck has been around, have done a multiple of things. I don’t think you can do one thing and be good at it. What has to happen in this league is, you have to make the quarterback think after he touches the football. What Chuck is trying to cultivate with his defense is, to give multiple looks, make sure we have our disguises in the secondary and linebackers and from that we move to what we’re going to play in. If we can do that, then we’re headed in the right direction. Chuck, what he wants to do is, give multiple looks, multiple defenses and make the quarterback guess.” _ rod woodson
Read’em and weep impostor fans. I was hoping we would go this rout and i thought we would as soon as he signed on.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Sho-nasty, Kelly, Seymour and (hopefully) a rejuvenated Henderson, to go along with Wimbley, Houston and RoMac — we should be alright. Hope that Goethel stays healthy …
August 9th, 2011 at 9:42 am
“I don’t know what they did in the seven or eight years that I was gone, but that doesn’t matter.”
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This line will sum up our entire season.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Wasn’t Shaugnessy starting when we faced Jax, Miami, and Indy late in the season? Those were all in the final 6 weeks of the season. They kinda ran all over us.
I agree Goethel > Groves.
Henderson is sooooo old. You can’t count on those guys to stay healthy a full season. And he’s not even a starter. It isn’t like we know when run plays are going to occur, so whenever he’s in, one of our top 2 DTs are out.
Disguising the D? I’m not sure Bresnahan is an upgrade.
Our offense was explosive last year. With a much tougher schedule, I don’t expect us to finish 6th again in points scored.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am
The Bengals D got much better once Chuck left Cincy.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:50 am
When it comes to dealing with the loss of Nnamdi, a lot of the weight falls on Rod Woodson’s shoulders. I think Rod is up for the challenge.
I’m not saying that Nnamdi is easily replaced, but I think Rod will get his unit to play well- and that will be enough to help the Raiders build on last year’s success.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Stanford Routt was targeted probably more than any CB in the league last year. QBs only completed 39.4% against him. Routt is a good CB.
August 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Wasn’t Shaugnessy starting when we faced Jax, Miami, and Indy late in the season? Those were all in the final 6 weeks of the season. They kinda ran all over us.
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Yes he was.
Muscle smurf was pretty much shut down the entire game. He got his 100 yds on that last break through run after the big return.
Other than that backups big run that Cable erroneously challenged, The Jag run game was shut down.
Indy game, we played 1 LB the whole game.
Miami game was lost because we couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down. Too many double S blitzes.
I’m sure you know all this though.
For a couple years now, you’ve screamed about improving the Oline and Dline. We do that and you’re still don’t think we are headed in the right direction?
August 9th, 2011 at 10:01 am
# alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am
The Bengals D got much better once Chuck left Cincy.
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That was the bungles, this is bully ball
August 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am
# alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Wasn’t Shaugnessy starting when we faced Jax, Miami, and Indy late in the season? Those were all in the final 6 weeks of the season. They kinda ran all over us.
I agree Goethel > Groves.
Henderson is sooooo old. You can’t count on those guys to stay healthy a full season. And he’s not even a starter. It isn’t like we know when run plays are going to occur, so whenever he’s in, one of our top 2 DTs are out.
Disguising the D? I’m not sure Bresnahan is an upgrade.
Our offense was explosive last year. With a much tougher schedule, I don’t expect us to finish 6th again in points scored.
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Hendu is a solid rotation guy at this stage of his career. not having him for thos 15-20 snaps a game really did hurt our defense.
Yes disguising the defense. This is the woodson influence, and becuase turncoat 21 is gone. We are almost forced to change our strategy because we dont have 2 corners that you can just line up and play bump and run with all day.
I know you dont want to beleive it, but davis is much more flexible when he has coaches that he trust. hell he even let woodson make the call on dvd and chekwa. You dont think Davis is thrilled to have another hof raider on the staff teaching what he knows best?
This regime has the trust of Davis, unlike any that we have seen since chucky
August 9th, 2011 at 10:07 am
What does the nation think of Cortland Finnegan? Wouldn’t mind seeing him in S&B in the future. Dude seems to have a mean streak, not sure he could play in our system?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp11/story/_/id/6845525/cortland-finnegan-sorry-bolting-tennessee-titans-camp-cites-contract-talks
August 9th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Hu jack is the opposite of Cable. cable started camp with two hand touch mime sessions. His practices were not intense, and players were free to loaf at half speed. i think it is easy to under stand why some games the raiders played as if they had just rolled out of bed.
Hu jack is in your face pumping the tempo, demanding performance and challenging the guys constantly. As a result we already can hear the players taking on his personality when they speak. Im sure we will see a much different team when they take the field and crush the broncos
August 9th, 2011 at 10:14 am
They are ripping on DHB in a PFT article right now.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am
with another year under his belt Bull Bryant will plug the gaping hole that has been getting smaller
August 9th, 2011 at 10:20 am
@ post 21
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/09/darrius-heyward-bey-has-four-catches-a-fumble-and-a-drop-in-first-practice/
I don’t know that I’d call that ripping on him…
August 9th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Q: What is your impression of Stanford Routt after 10 days? Is he an elite cornerback?
A: He can be.
Hmmmmm
Doesn’t sound like a he has much confidence in a guy we are paying a ton of money to.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Q: What is your impression of Stanford Routt? Is he an elite cornerback?
A: Stanford, he’s a work in progress. He has natural gifts. Every player that gets drafted in the NFL has those gifts.
Q: What do you think of Chris Johnson?
A: “Chris can play. I like Chris. He’s an old wily vet.
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LOL!!!
CJ37 = Oakland’s best corner
August 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
We need CBs really bad..everyone throws that 39% stat about routt but this time around he will be guarding the other teams number 1 receiver hope that number doesn’t inflatennmost likely will
August 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
“he showed off a combination of the talent that made him the seventh overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft and the problems holding onto the ball that have made him a disappointment.”
Really Redneck are you sure you read the article?
August 9th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:14 am
They are ripping on DHB in a PFT article right now.
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They’re just gettin’ warmed up for the rest of the season …
August 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am
I am guessing that suddenly the media has turned Raider friendly and every article out there is now about how great we are.
“insert laugh”
Anytime they print an anti Raider article on PFT they know they will get a response and the increase in clicks they are after.
So again I ask you RedneckRaider do you think they are writing that article to make us look good or to talk shlt?
August 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Can’t expect routt to be a ” shutdown corner” there’s only like four of those in the entire league.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am
# Silverandblack666 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Q: What is your impression of Stanford Routt after 10 days? Is he an elite cornerback?
A: He can be.
Hmmmmm
Doesn’t sound like a he has much confidence in a guy we are paying a ton of money to.
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Stan has to learn new skills and a new scheme. he is being asked to play zones and give pre snap disguises. Also woodson is trying to teach the dbs how to make plays on the ball in the air, before he was only expected to cover.
He will adjust because he has the the most important attribute the ability to cover. he is learning how to be a play maker.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
“he showed off a combination of the talent that made him the seventh overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft and the problems holding onto the ball that have made him a disappointment.”
Really Redneck are you sure you read the article?
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Yea. They aren’t pumping him up, but I’d hardly consider it ripping on him. It’s a pretty fair assessment of his first practice back
August 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am
My comments made the.most sense.lol
August 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Raidertbone knows the drill.
Raider bashing is expected from the media and they are just getting warmed up!
August 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am
You know what Mistic I will give you credit, you are a “glass is half full” kind of guy and you seem to find a positive in most angles.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am
I believe in Routt and CJ37; they each had some big plays last year, both with and without Nnamdi at his best. If they each play solid and Rod can coach up the young guns in waiting, I think we can get great production out of the d-backs. We may not have a true “shut down corner” right now, but that should mean that the numbers will even out a little. Maybe DVD can emerge as that good third corner that every team needs.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am
redneck you may be right here but I was initially thinking the intentions behind the post was to bash DHB.
“Darrius Heyward-Bey has four catches, a fumble and a drop in first practice”
Could be misleading…
August 9th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Said Raiders coach Hue Jackson, “He looked like a guy that’s getting ready. He did some good things, caught some balls, is getting back in the swing of it. It’s a good time to have him back out there. Another pair of veteran legs.”
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It’s funny, doesn’t this sound like the same thing Hue says when we add one of those veterans who are basically camp fodder.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:34 am
If “you” were the Raiders GM, would you take a 5th rounder for DHB?
August 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Raidertbone knows the drill.
Raider bashing is expected from the media and they are just getting warmed up!
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True, true, 666 …
I have weathered the slings and arrows of fair-weathered Queefs, Dolts, and Donkeys, as well as Cowgirls and FairyNiners. Now that we’re turning the corner, lots of people are hoping that the Raiders will fail; however, many more are just waiting for the mean and nasty side of the Silver and Black to return to dominance — it’s what the NFL wants … it’s what the NFL needs!
August 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am
26.SharkCatcher Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
We need CBs really bad..everyone throws that 39% stat about routt but this time around he will be guarding the other teams number 1 receiver hope that number doesn’t inflatennmost likely will
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Ok so we are all aware that Nnamdi did NOT shadow #1 receivers (except Fitzgerald last year). Routt almost always DID cover the #1 last year.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:36 am
If “you” were the Raiders GM, would you take a 5th rounder for DHB?
Nope. Not now. Not after paying him $20M last year and he costs so little to have around this year. I’ll give him another year before I start calling him a bust.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:36 am
That’s exactly it. As Raiders fans, we watch the Jaguars run for over 200 yards on us, and instead of wanting change (like a true run-stuffing DT), we make excuses for how they acquired those 200 yards.
To finish our season, we gave up 162, 186, 234, 106, 191, and 115 rushing yards.
And we brought everyone back.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Maybe DVD can emerge as that good third corner that every team needs.
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Tbone,
Rod compared him to Duane Starks in Baltimore
Starks had 20 INT’s during his 4-year tenure in Baltimore! (1998-2001)
Didn’t do much for Arizona, New England or Oakland (2002-2007) though …
August 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Something else to be considered. What will defenses do when our speed guys line up in one spot then motion and shift into other spots? When guys like ford motion across the formation or reece and dmac motion into slot or out wide. Or ausberry and boss shift into the slot? i can see it now sheer and utter panic in the defense having no clue what is coming, or where it will be coming from. this added with JC amazing play action fakes and roll out ability will make this offense very unpredictable. who do you double? Do you keep the safeties back and leave it open underneath for our catch and run guys or our running game? Do you play tight and end up reading the names on the backs of our speed burners jersey as they run under a perfect shock and awe depp strike from JC?
Its quite a quandry for the defense. Bully ball is in the building.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Our run defense will only be as good as Jason Campbell is.
So…we’ll see.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Mistic, you do know that other teams have fast receivers and halfbacks too?
And they also do CRAZY things like motion?
lol, I don’t think the Packers, Patriots, Bears, Vikings, Jets, and Dolphins defense will be panicking when they see this.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Does anybody know where Routt is lining up?
Is he going to be a left v. right side or switch it up?
Thurday night: Routt v. Fitz?
“FairyNiners”
LMAO, Haven’t heard that before…don’t think I will ever say 49 again…
August 9th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Hu jack is in your face pumping the tempo, demanding performance and challenging the guys constantly.
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Ummm…..doesn’t HOF Rod Woodson say that crap don’t work?
Not saying a little more intensity wasn’t needed from the Cable regime, but the though that a more high-energy coach will produce more wins, just read Rod’s quotes. He says that it don’t work and didn’t work for him.
Want to motivate a player to do better? Rod goes to the paycheck routine. I agree 110% with him.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:43 am
If “you” were the Raiders GM, would you take a 5th rounder for DHB?
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what other NFL team would take on DHB’s massive contract?
they’d have to restructure that deal upon completion of the trade and it’s no guarantee DHB wants to play for the vet minimum heading into just his 3rd NFL season
August 9th, 2011 at 10:43 am
bcz24 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am
26.SharkCatcher Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
We need CBs really bad..everyone throws that 39% stat about routt but this time around he will be guarding the other teams number 1 receiver hope that number doesn’t inflatennmost likely will
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Ok so we are all aware that Nnamdi did NOT shadow #1 receivers (except Fitzgerald last year). Routt almost always DID cover the #1 last year.
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Fact, Routt outperformed Nnamdi last year. Not sayin that to say hes better or worse, but the bottom line is, Routt DID cover the 1’s, and STILL managed a 39% completion average. Out of almost 100 passes. I think Routts issue is focus, not talent, skill, or ability. Hopefully, this is where Woodson can help, but we’ll see. Bottom line is, Routt was tested A LOT last year, and SHOWED AND PROVED! If Im a CB, and Im thrown at 100 times, and I make sure 60 of those passes arent caught, I DID WELL!
August 9th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Im sure we will see a much different team when they take the field and crush the broncos
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Tom Cable = 3-0 in Denver, average score over the 3 games is right around 37-14 Raiders.
If there ever is any large shoes to fill from Coach Cable, is his mastery of the Bronco’s in Denver.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Our run defense will only be as good as Jason Campbell is
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Alex,
our run defense would have been benched more than 3 times last year. Sorry
August 9th, 2011 at 10:44 am
# alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Our run defense will only be as good as Jason Campbell is.
So…we’ll see.
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JC is a quarterback he doesnt play defense
August 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Mistic, all of these pre snap motions…you sound like Gruden or Shannahan. I thought Al Davis didn’t believe in deception. Just line your guys up and send them right after the defense, let them know you can do whatever you want, whenever you want. Guess Al Davis has learned a thing or two from all of those WCO coaches he’s had through the years. Makes you wonder who was really the mentor and who was really the student.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am
If the guys aren’t motivated enough to kick in the playoff door one year after finishing 6-0 in the division, then we need a little internal ass-kicker … maybe bring in Steroid-owski or Millen, or even Phil V.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:47 am
It will be interesting to see how “Pro Bowler Matt Cassell” fares under the new QB rating system. Is there a category for number of times you get punked during a game?
August 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am
This isn’t the NBA, were effort is an issue night-in and night-out.
In the NFL, you don’t go 100%, you will get hurt.
Understanding the position, the situation, and the opponent is what coaches bring to the table.
Yelling, and screaming atta boy to Stan Routt isn’t going to do it. Didn’t Hue do that on one play…..than Routt was roasted on the next play?
August 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Hendu<—–best run stuffer on our team….what is the dissin of him for Alex7? Old? Seymour same age and has been hurt more
August 9th, 2011 at 10:49 am
# alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Mistic, you do know that other teams have fast receivers and halfbacks too?
And they also do CRAZY things like motion?
lol, I don’t think the Packers, Patriots, Bears, Vikings, Jets, and Dolphins defense will be panicking when they see this.
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Not even the super bowl champ green fudge packers, have the speed all over the field like we have on offense. The other teams you mentioned arent even on the same planet with us when it comes to speed on offense.
You are wrong alex, shifting and motions are very difficult o defenses, particularly when you have several guys on the field at once that can take it to the house on any given play. see eagle 7 and the philly feebles for an example, with mccoy macklin jackson.
Or better yet look up the greatest show on turf.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Romanowski’s a sissy. Surrounded by talent his entire career. Oh, except his final year in Oakland. And notice he was just another roid head whiffing on tackles then, too.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Mistic,
what’s your prediction? Raiders 2011 record (and playoff results..if you believe so). Lets see it.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Mistic, you don’t see the connection?
The ONLY times we didn’t get the ball shoved down our throats successfully was when Jason Campbell actually played well and we had a lead (vs Broncos, vs Chargers…that’s about it!).
It is such a huge difference when this pass-rushing defense plays with a lead. But we rarely do that.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:55 am
DHB chaz and ford, with moore getting sprinkled in. Murphy may have a hard time seeing any time this year, and im not disappointed by this fact.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Come on Mistic.
Everyone in the NFL can defend shifts and motions. It’s whether the WRs going in motion actually have the ability to create separation and (GASP!) catch the ball when thrown.
Oh, and if the QB can consistently put it on a dime under pressure.
Moore, Chaz, and Ford give us hope for the former. Two-thirds are unproven though, so we’ll see.
JC worries me on the latter.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:58 am
# alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Mistic, you don’t see the connection?
The ONLY times we didn’t get the ball shoved down our throats successfully was when Jason Campbell actually played well and we had a lead (vs Broncos, vs Chargers…that’s about it!).
It is such a huge difference when this pass-rushing defense plays with a lead. But we rarely do that.
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i already said that the offense will score forcing teams to throw, which in turn helps the run defense. key word being helps. The run defense will be all about how the lbs have improved, and a healthy dt rotation. Hendu and bryant were both banged up last year and we suffered for it.
August 9th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Vegas,you can’t make a blanket statement that yelling doesn’t help.Read what Rod said again,and what every other coach would say.Some guys respond to being yelled at others don’t.That is what makes some coaches better than others-knowing when to push and who needs that extra push and who doesn’t.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:01 am
money or yelling didn’t motivate JaMarcus.
Al Davis should have purchased an ice cream truck
August 9th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Mistic, all of these pre snap motions…you sound like Gruden or Shannahan. I thought Al Davis didn’t believe in deception. Just line your guys up and send them right after the defense, let them know you can do whatever you want, whenever you want. Guess Al Davis has learned a thing or two from all of those WCO coaches he’s had through the years. Makes you wonder who was really the mentor and who was really the student.
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Well, to hear Parcells, Walsh and (gasp!) RON WOLF tell it, Al Davis taught them.
But I’m aware of your congenital defect that doesn’t allow you to think, speak, or hear ANYTHING positive relating to Al Davis, so carry on.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Our offense scored well inside the AFC West. Outside, ughh, not so good. And this year those non-conference games are much tougher.
This is JC’s final chance to resurrect his career.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am
I like hearing that Rod and Chuck plan on using multiple coverages and using different looks to disguise what they want to do and make the opposing QB think a bit more out there.
That’s the way it should defenses should play in the NFL.
You gotta mix it up!
August 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am
MUP = Barksdale.
I hope he takes over that RT or RG position and just mashes people.
IF we can get him, Veldeheer, and Wiz to be consistently above-average, we have the makings of a Jets-like O-line.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am
# alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Come on Mistic.
Everyone in the NFL can defend shifts and motions. It’s whether the WRs going in motion actually have the ability to create separation and (GASP!) catch the ball when thrown.
Oh, and if the QB can consistently put it on a dime under pressure.
Moore, Chaz, and Ford give us hope for the former. Two-thirds are unproven though, so we’ll see.
JC worries me on the latter.
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Alex your spinning your wheels.
Of course teams can defend motions, but it is not easy to do. Motions and shifts expose the defense by making them show their hand pre snap. Motions and shifts create mismatches and force the defenses hand.
The second point isnt just the fact that we will employ these concepts, the key is the personnel that we have shifting and motioning.
here is a small example.
Dmac and reece in the back field together, the oppsing d is in their base alignment. Suddenly damc and reece motion out, who covers them? Line backers and safeties must fill the void? there isnt a linebacker in the nfl that can cover these guys, and not many safeties that could tackle them.
This is a simplified version but you get the idea.
The concepts of motions and shifts is augmented by our super talented speed demons. it will be a night mare for defenses.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Al Davis is on records saying he doesn’t believe in deception. He believes in coming right after his opponent, dictating the game to them with superior players. So if you see the Raiders using deceptive schemes like motions on offense and multiple coverages on defense, Al is clearly taking pointers from others. Big guru that he is.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:01 am
money or yelling didn’t motivate JaMarcus.
Al Davis should have purchased an ice cream truck
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Guess all those bags of food from In-n-Out waitin’ by his locker didn’t help out much, either!
August 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Well Romanowski must be a very smart sissy? Two pro-bowls, 5 super bowls and 4 superbowl victories. Seems like he can sniff out the right job. Unlike your life…
August 9th, 2011 at 11:09 am
alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am
MUP = Barksdale.
I hope he takes over that RT or RG position and just mashes people.
IF we can get him, Veldeheer, and Wiz to be consistently above-average, we have the makings of a Jets-like O-line.
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Exactly!
August 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am
The season is almost ready to start … let the track meet begin!
August 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Dmac and reece in the back field together, the oppsing d is in their base alignment. Suddenly damc and reece motion out, who covers them?
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Needs to be Bush and DMac in the backfield with DMac motioning out.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
# alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am
JC worries me =
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JC may worry you, but the raiders arent worried and neither am I. he will shut down all the haters and impostor fans once and for all this year.
“I think everyone has been impressed by Jason—he’s had an outstanding camp.” – al suanders.
Ill take saunders word for it, having coached foutts, and warner. Im positive he knows good qb play when he sees it.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am
@Mistic
Dmac and reece in the back field together, the oppsing d is in their base alignment. Suddenly damc and reece motion out, who covers them? Line backers and safeties must fill the void? there isnt a linebacker in the nfl that can cover these guys, and not many safeties that could tackle them.
This is a simplified version but you get the idea.
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There was a great example in the Seahawks game last year. Raiders came out in double TEs/I-form. Reece motion out as a WR and created an instant mismatch…
August 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Good idea J Hill,but Bush refuses to that,remember.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am
DutchRaider, Romanowski was surrounded by talent his entire career. One of the most overrated linebackers in history. If not for steroids, he’d have been a bus driver.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Guess all those bags of food from In-n-Out waitin’ by his locker didn’t help out much, either!
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Tbone,
Actually – it made him sleepy during team meetings!
Purple Drank, anyone?
August 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am
If the o line can pass protect the sky is the limit for this offense.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am
61.RAIDER Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Romanowski’s a sissy. Surrounded by talent his entire career. Oh, except his final year in Oakland. And notice he was just another roid head whiffing on tackles then, too.
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LOL
August 9th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Lefty,
Opening night against SD, it worked just fine. Washington home game, is another example off the top of my head.
I’m not suggesting Bush play FB at all.
I’m not even suggesting they be on the field that often together. 5 or 6 times a game, maybe.
But it gives the offense helluva options by motioning either one of those guys outta the backfield as you still have a run option against a 5 or 6 man front.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Vegas,you can’t make a blanket statement that yelling doesn’t help.Read what Rod said again,and what every other coach would say.Some guys respond to being yelled at others don’t.That is what makes some coaches better than others-knowing when to push and who needs that extra push and who doesn’t.
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My point was that it is not the be-all end-all way to coach.
Dick Vermiel had a lot of success in the NFL, and he was the nicest guy in the world.
More than one way to skin a cat is all I’m saying, and Rod Woodson is on the side of dangling a paycheck in front of them as motivation more so than ripping a guy a new one.
I’m with Rod.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Can Soup get us 2 TD’s for every turnover this season?
He has never done it in his career, and if he doesn’t do it this year, it might be the end of his career as annointed NFL starter.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:29 am
# RAIDER Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Al Davis is on records saying he doesn’t believe in deception. He believes in coming right after his opponent, dictating the game to them with superior players. So if you see the Raiders using deceptive schemes like motions on offense and multiple coverages on defense, Al is clearly taking pointers from others. Big guru that he is.
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You must be brand new. our last super bowl team used motions and shifts on every snap. The ghost reverse motion was fun to watch. We only ran about 8 plays but the motions shifts and formations confused everyone. that is everyone except gruden who installed it in the first place. As a matter of fact we had a very old and slow team with a pedestrian qb. the motions and shifts offset those weaknesses. It will be even better paired with our speed and vertical passing approach.
By the way that defense wasnt nearly as man to man heavy as we have been the last few years. it wont be this year either
August 9th, 2011 at 11:29 am
So who’s going to be the first NFL player caught up in the new HGH testing?
Or which players are going to be outta the league because they stopped using it?
August 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
# J Hill Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Dmac and reece in the back field together, the oppsing d is in their base alignment. Suddenly damc and reece motion out, who covers them?
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Needs to be Bush and DMac in the backfield with DMac motioning out.
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what ever combo is back there from reece to jones bush or dmac, the defense is in trouble
August 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Al Davis is on records saying he doesn’t believe in deception. He believes in coming right after his opponent, dictating the game to them with superior players. So if you see the Raiders using deceptive schemes like motions on offense and multiple coverages on defense, Al is clearly taking pointers from others. Big guru that he is.
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So you’re saying if Al Davis used deception after claiming he didn’t believe in deception, that would be . . . deceptive?
Looks like it worked on one person, at least. *rolleyes* Then again, you’re easier to fool than a DC.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I am concerned of some rookie struggles on the O-line Thursday.
Don’t want Soup on the field with these rookies to start the year.
Not a good risk/reward scenario, IMO.
Let the rookies get their red wings against the 2nd stringers and with Boller’s knees on the field, until they are really, really ready.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Can Soup get us 2 TD’s for every turnover this season?
He has never done it in his career,
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If he gets some pass protection he will easily do that. he doesnt throw many picks as it is, better pass protection will mean less fumbles.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:33 am
So who’s going to be the first NFL player caught up in the new HGH testing?
Or which players are going to be outta the league because they stopped using it?
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Hopefully they will start sniffing around the Pats first. Remember Rodney Harrison? He assured everyone that he was not using steroids, just HGH…
August 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Mistic, Al Davis was the one who said he didn’t believe in deception. Believed in coming right after the opponent. Believes you don’t need to use deception when you have superior players. You can just come right at your opponent, and they can know what’s coming. He’s said this, several times. It’s the Raider freakin’ philosophy, for crying out loud. Of course, the Raiders never actually won this way since the ’60s, as you’ve pointed out. Thank you for making my next argument, btw.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Madden vs Flores
Two completely different styles of coaching, both have hardware
August 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am
point being, Mistic and Davy, the deception the Raiders have used through the years was TAUGHT to Al by others. Big guru that he is. Seems Al’s the one who’s picking brains.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am
If he gets some pass protection he will easily do that.
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Easily??
I would be happy with him barely doing it.
He has been very consistant, right at 1.7 TD’s-turnovers every season.
What if he gets better pass-protection, but not 145 ypg rushing?
August 9th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Bill Parcells will yell and scream at everyone, and it worked well in New York, and pretty much was an epic fail in Dallas.
Hue yelling at people more may work, and if they struggle to a 2-4 start, dudes may just tune him out.
Yelling at high school kids works 99% of the time. Not so much in the NFL.
I think Rod Woodson would make a very cerebal, and exceptional Head Coach, based on this interview I just read.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Just because you play the 3-4 as your base D doesn’t mean you can’t play the 4-3 on a few downs, and just because Al Davis doesn’t “believe” in deception doesn’t mean he will or does play man to man every play.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
# RAIDER Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Mistic, Al Davis was the one who said he didn’t believe in deception. Believed in coming right after the opponent. Believes you don’t need to use deception when you have superior players. You can just come right at your opponent, and they can know what’s coming. He’s said this, several times. It’s the Raider freakin’ philosophy, for crying out loud. Of course, the Raiders never actually won this way since the ’60s, as you’ve pointed out. Thank you for making my next argument, btw.
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Al Davis isnt coaching this team, hu jack is. hu jack has the freedom to do what he sees fit. You will still see us line up and smash the defense, but you will also see shifts and motions.
Again look at the team under gruden ( whom you love so dearly) shifts and motions on every snap. Davis’s personal take on the concept had no impact on what happened on the field.
By the way 01-02 raiders were pretty good and were play off teams, and that wasnt the 60’s
August 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
JFB, don’t you see what Mistic’s doing by saying “if he gets pass protection”? He’s setting the line up to be blamed. He’s basically covering his bets. If Campbell does good, he’s right. If Campbell sucks, it’s the line’s fault, and he called it from the start.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Mistic, by covering your bets like that, and giving the disclaimer that “If Campbell gets protection, he’ll be good”, you’re only showing us you really don’t believe in him. Otherwise, why cover your bets? Why not just flat out say he’ll be good? Think Green Bay fans are saying Rodgers will be good if he gets protection? They just know he’ll be good, one way or the other. Either take a stand for your player or stand mute. You sound ridiculous. Everyone here knows what you’re doing.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am
If he gets some pass protection he will easily do that.
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Easily??
I would be happy with him barely doing it.
He has been very consistant, right at 1.7 TD’s-turnovers every season.
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Boring, here we go again… predictably.
JC didnt have the weapons he has now, and has never had good pass protection.
I dont consider what he has done in the past other than his yearly improvement under the gun, and awash in team disunity dysfunction and total chaos.
he doesnt play for those teams, or in that environment any longer. If he managed to improve under those circumstances yearly, i see no reason to believe he wont continue to improve here, with better coaches better players and a better environment. for the first time in his career the team is his. jason campbell is a fantastic player that has found his footing with stability and continuity. he is poised and prepared for this moment.
You can hate on him all you want, just be ready to take that a$$ whoopin when we win….because you know its coming
August 9th, 2011 at 11:50 am
I am concerned of some rookie struggles on the O-line Thursday.
Don’t want Soup on the field with these rookies to start the year.
Not a good risk/reward scenario, IMO.
Let the rookies get their red wings against the 2nd stringers and with Boller’s knees on the field, until they are really, really ready.
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Agreed!
Give JCamp Veldheer-Loper-Satele-Carlisle-Barnes and then yank him after 2 series of each Preseason game.
Boller, Edwards & La Secla can test Barks, Wiz, Schuening, Heyer and Pelc …
August 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am
JC didnt have the weapons he has now, and has never had good pass protection.
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Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels & Jansen = no weapons?
August 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am
RAIDER Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Mistic, by covering your bets like that, and giving the disclaimer that “If Campbell gets protection, he’ll be good”, you’re only showing us you really don’t believe in him.
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Weak sauce
I didnt say that. Jason Campbell is already good, the fumbles will come down if he isnt being hit. That is common sense. the offense will be much netter as a whole with better pass protection. All 3 of our qbs were running for their lives and being knocked out of games last year. Oh you dont want to admit that, because it proves cable sucked?
August 9th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Can Soup get us 2 TD’s for every turnover this season?
He has never done it in his career, and if he doesn’t do it this year, it might be the end of his career as annointed NFL starter.
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“During the Raiders’ final five games, Campbell completed 64.7 percent of his passes with six touchdowns and only two interceptions for an impressive 94.6 passer rating.”
RedneckRaider Says:
August 8th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8214e83b/article/raiders-campbell-ready-to-take-the-next-step-to-stardom?module=HP11_content_stream
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Theres no reason to believe that JC cant continue to perform on that level
46. Campbell was not responsible for run D stats even indirectly. He played well in those games. Run D gave up big plays. The players weren’t replaced but the staff was so, the pressure is on Chuck B & his staff
August 9th, 2011 at 11:59 am
The new QBR is a lot more comphrensive way to judge QB play. You’ll have to wait and see, boys.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:59 am
91.J Hill Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:29 am
So who’s going to be the first NFL player caught up in the new HGH testing?
Or which players are going to be outta the league because they stopped using it?
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Adrian Peterson and Vernon Davis…..fa sho
August 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
And what was with ARmond last night saying there is few fans on here?
People take my criticism of DHB as me “wanting to be right”.
Well, ask JHill, Dakota, Rockstar and SnB about the 2008 draft. I was the only one on here who wanted a WR and didn’t mind DHB!!!! Everyone else wanted O-lineman, BJ Raji or Rey Mualaga.
So if I really wanted to be “right” I would be all over DHB’s practice exploits, patting myself on the back.
Come on ARmond, your better than that!!
KoolKell rags on Al Davis all the time. You think he is rooting against the Raiders on Sunday to right on here?
Dakota and Rockstar mock Rolando McClain. You think they are not rooting for him to rip heads?
Mistic1 ridiculed Bruce at any and every stop. You think he was rooting for the Cardinals or Dolphins last year so he could be “right”?
MistaBrown clowns Seabass all the time,more than anyone else. Was he excited when he missed the chippie in AZ?
Come on!!! Take a deep breath.
(Sorry had to get that off my chest)
August 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
111.KoolKell Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:59 am
The new QBR is a lot more comphrensive way to judge QB play. You’ll have to wait and see, boys.
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No bruh its not
August 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Monday brought about the much-awaited debut of wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, at least in terms of participating in full-team drills.
Heyward-Bey spent the first 12 days of camp working his way back into shape from a mysterious injury and getting in some light work with his teammates. Finally, coach Hue Jackson turned loose Heyward-Bey to see where his third-year receiver is at nearly two weeks into camp.
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Vagisil <——works everytime!….
August 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am
JC didnt have the weapons he has now, and has never had good pass protection.
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Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels & Jansen = no weapons?
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portis = brittle, rarely played a full season. Locker room cancer, highly over rated.
Moss = not the game breaker or vertical threat he once was in ny, more of a possession guy in dc. doesnt draw double coverage, and didnt have any one opposite. Randle el and santana moss your starting wr, terrible.
Cooly = another good possesion guy that JC help make into a star and a pro bowler, simply because there wernt many options to throw to. Note JC leaves and cooly falls off.
samuals= injuries have curtailed his career. besides one good linemen doesnt mean you have a good line
Jansen = even two good linemen doesnt make a good line
Moss and cooly are your top targets!?!?!
Like i said jc didnt have the weapons he has now
August 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
The new QBR is a lot more comphrensive way to judge QB play. You’ll have to wait and see, boys.
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Soup went from 19th to 24th from the old to new ratings.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Bill Parcells will yell and scream at everyone, and it worked well in New York, and pretty much was an epic fail in Dallas.
Hue yelling at people more may work, and if they struggle to a 2-4 start, dudes may just tune him out.
Yelling at high school kids works 99% of the time. Not so much in the NFL.
I think Rod Woodson would make a very cerebal, and exceptional Head Coach, based on this interview I just read.
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Hue is loud at practice but I dont think that means he is ‘yelling at people’. He is a boisterous man. After listening to his press conferences every night I really appreciate what he says. Its not just the same drivel day in and day out like what you got from Tommy Boy.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
portis moss cooly randle el vs
dhb, reece , dmac, chaz, murphy, moore, boss ford
JC didnt have the weapons he has now and it isnt even close
August 9th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
JC is guilty of taking over 1/2 of the 2010 season to figure out how to run the defense. Once he figured it out he had success against good teams who were making playoff runs, he had a good off season and has more playmakers.
9-11 wins
August 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Portis, Moss, Cooley = all Pro Bowls.
Not to mention HOF left tackle Samuels.
Not as fast as our guys, twice as productive (so far)
August 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
lol Vegas
August 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
QB rating is garbage
August 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Oops! run the OFFENSE of course.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Mistic1 ridiculed Bruce at any and every stop. You think he was rooting for the Cardinals or Dolphins last year so he could be “right”?
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lets be clear.
i hammered bruce because you and other haters tried to tell me that bruce was better than JC. You and a host of others even said bruce should start over JC. so in turn i pointed out the reasons why JC was a far better option.
Turns out i was right
August 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Point is, were you rooting against the Raiders and Bruce Gradkowski?
Of course your weren’t. Just like nobody is rooting against Soup and DHB on Sundays.
This whole “I’m a bigger fan than you” is the most comical thing ever.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Total QBR:
Dividing Credit
Division of credit is the next step. Dividing credit among teammates is one of the most difficult but important aspects of sports. Teammates rely upon each other and, as the cliché goes, a team might not be the sum of its parts. By dividing credit, we are forcing the parts to sum up to the team, understanding the limitations but knowing that it is the best way statistically for the rating.
On a pass play, for instance, there are a few basic components:
• The pass protection
• The throw
• The catch
• The run after the catch
In the first segment, the blockers and the quarterback have responsibility for keeping the play alive, and the receivers have to get open for a QB to avoid a sack or having to throw the ball away. On the throw itself, a quarterback has to throw an accurate ball to the intended receiver. Certain receivers might run better or worse routes, so the ability of a QB to be on target also relates somewhat to the receivers. For the catch, it might be a very easy one where the QB laid it in right in stride and no defenders were there to distract the receiver. Or it could be that the QB threaded a needle and defenders absolutely hammered the receiver as he caught the ball, making it difficult to hold on. So even the catch is about both the receiver and the QB. Finally, the run after the catch depends on whether a QB hit the receiver in stride beyond the defense and on the ability of a receiver to be elusive. Whatever credit we give to the blockers, receivers and quarterback in these situations is designed to sum to the team expected points added.
The ESPN video tracking has been useful in helping to separate credit in plays like these. We track overthrows, underthrows, dropped passes, defended passes and yards after the catch. The big part was taking this information and analyzing how much of it was related to the QB, the receivers and the blockers. Not surprisingly, pass protection is related mostly to the QB and the offensive line, but yards after the catch is more about what the receiver does. Statistical analysis was able to show this, and we divided credit based on those things.
As a relevant side note, statistical analysis showed that what we call a dropped pass was not all a receiver’s fault, either. A receiver might drop a ball because he wanted to run before catching it, because the defense distracted him, because it was a little bit behind him or because he was about to get hit by a defender. If the defender was there a half second before, the defender would have knocked the ball free and it would have been called a “defended pass,” not a “dropped pass.” There are shades of gray even on a dropped pass, and analysis showed that. Drops are less a QB’s fault than defended passes or underthrows, but the QB does share some blame.
On most other plays, quarterbacks receive some portion of credit for the result of the play, including defensive pass interference, intentional grounding, scrambles, sacks, fumbles, fumble recoveries (Carson Palmer once recovered a teammate’s fumble that saved the game for the Bengals) and throwaways.
On plays when the QB just hands off to a running back, we didn’t assign any credit to the QB. Our NFL experts did suggest that some QBs are very good at interpreting defenses pre-snap and identifying better holes for their backs. However, they also told us it would be nearly impossible to incorporate. Because they suggested this, we built in the ability to give credit for QBs when they just handed off, but we couldn’t find the right analysis to do it in 2011.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
continued, Total QBR:
Clutch Index
The final major step is to look at how “clutch” the situation was when creating expected points. A normal play has a clutch index of 1.0. For instance, first-and-goal from the 10-yard line in a tie game at the start of the second quarter has a clutch index of almost exactly 1.0. A more clutch situation, one late in the game when the game is close — the same situation as above but midway through the fourth quarter, for example — has a clutch index of about 2.0. Maximum clutch indices are about 3.0, and minimum indices are about 0.3.
These clutch index values came from an analysis of how different situations affect a game’s win probability on average. One way to think of it is in terms of pressure. A clutch play is defined before the play by how close the game appears to be. Down four points with three seconds to go and facing third-and-goal from the 3-yard line — that is a high-pressure and high-clutch index situation because the play can realistically raise the odds of winning to almost 100 percent or bring them down from about 40 percent to almost zero percent. The same situation from midfield isn’t as high pressure because it’s very unlikely that the team will pull out the victory. Sure, a Hail Mary can pull the game out, but if it doesn’t work, the team didn’t fail on that play so much as it failed before then. On third-and-goal from the 3-yard line, failure means people will be talking about that final play and what went wrong.
The clutch indices are multiplied by the quarterback’s expected points on plays when the QB had a significant contribution, then divided by the sum of the clutch indices and multiplied by 100 to get a clutch-valued expected points added per 100 plays.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Portis, Moss, Cooley = all Pro Bowls.
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Funny how people want to point to the probowl berths of cooly and moss and yet wont acknowledge the guy that threw them the ball.
By the way making the probowl as an alternate doesnt mean your are a great player.
you have countered my point. JC is in a far better situation than he ever was in dc. he improved every year with the foreskins even though the team weas a disaster, and he had to learn a new playbook and a new coach every year.
of course he will be even better with the situation he is in now
August 9th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Sometimes, Head Coach’s who yell are successful at the College level. Usually pro players tune them out. Lou Holtz was a prime example.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Another typical day of old goat Krappy arguing with his grandson Brian the Genital.
Guess the Kelly Family Punching Bags are just warming up for the season. Don’t worry folks, I’ll continue slapping these knuckleheads around for our amusement.
Dudes got the Reggae Party Boat outfitted with a specially designed PARTYDUDE 8000 Margarita Machine that also steams up Pigs in a Blanket.
The babes are already going wild for it and I’m suddenly forced to buy my Magnums by the carton
August 9th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
A Rating from 0 to 100
The final step is transforming the clutch-valued expected points rate to a number from 0 to 100. This is just a mathematical formula with no significance other than to make it easier to communicate. A value of 90 and above sounds good whether you’re talking about a season, a game or just third-and-long situations; a value of four or 14 doesn’t sound very good; a value of 50 is average, and that is what QBR generates for an average performance.
That being said, the top values in a season tend to be about 75 and above, whereas the top values in a game are in the upper 90s. Aaron Rodgers might have gone 31-of-36 for 366 yards, with three passing TDs, another TD running, 19 first-down conversions, and eight conversions on third or fourth down in one game — for a single-game Total QBR of 97.2 — but he can’t keep that up all year long. Pro Bowl-level performance for a season usually means a QBR of at least 65 or 70. We don’t expect to see a season with a QBR in the 90s.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Kool Kell copies and pastes well. Never has a well thought out original post though. lmfao
August 9th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Concluding Thoughts
What underlies QBR is an understanding of how football works and a lot of detailed situational data. What it yields are results that should reflect that. It illustrates that converting on third-and-long is important to a quarterback. It shows that a pass that is in the air for 40 yards is more reflective of a quarterback than a pass that is in the air for 5 yards and the receiver has 35 yards of run after the catch. These premises should sound reasonable to football fans. They come out of a lot of statistical analysis, but they are also consistent with what coaches and players understand.
As we neared the end of the development of QBR, we talked to Ron Jaworski and Greg Cosell at NFL Films about its evolution. Cosell said at one point, “Football is not complex, but it is very detailed.” I realized then that QBR is like that. It is very detailed, accounting for a lot of different situations, but it is not particularly complex. It really does try to see the game the way we have gotten used to seeing it in its elegant simplicity. We hope you, the fan, appreciate it, as well.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Portis, Moss, Cooley = all Pro Bowls.
Not to mention HOF left tackle Samuels.
Not as fast as our guys, twice as productive (so far)
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Exactly, JFB
Mistic does not want me to post stats for these guys during Campbell’s tenure in Washington.
JCamp got benched for Todd Collins & Bruce Gradkowski, but there is NO CHANCE he gets benched for Boller or Edwards – right?
August 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
[...] Q & A with coach Rod Woodson First-year Raiders cornerbacks coach Rod Woodson spoke with the media Monday on a wide range of topics, from his thoughts on some of the young players under his charge, to what it’s like coaching after a Hall of Fame career as a player, to what… [...]
August 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Kell all garbage
August 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Dakota and Rockstar mock Rolando McClain
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I know, I know. picking on a dude with Crohn’s Disease is pretty low. Thanks for the reminder JFB.
I’ll try to change my shameful ways!
August 9th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Krappy you senile old fool, no one wants to read your cut and paste nonsense.
Wouldn’t your time be better spent trying to get a listing? Or did KrappyWife just give you your allowance, so you have plenty of time to kill?
Sad, sad old goat …
August 9th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
My biggest complaint about stanford routt has always been failure to make a play on the ball. in fact that has been my complaint about the entire secondary until Stevie brown showed up last year. i feel that rod woodson will teach these guys that it isnt enough to cover like a blanket, you must take the ball away. The guys have the natural gifts needed to run stride fir stride with anyone, once they learn to loacate and attack the ball they will be much better players.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
JFB,
what would these guys have done if JaMarcus was the #2 QB last year when “Soup” got canned?
suicide by the masses.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
we have sucd year after year with coaches who come in and stare instead of getting into someones assss when they fuc up. i like ol hue.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Kool Kell copies and pastes well
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Exla,
you gotta stick with what you’re good at
August 9th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Point is, were you rooting against the Raiders and Bruce Gradkowski?
Of course your weren’t. Just like nobody is rooting against Soup and DHB on Sundays.
This whole “I’m a bigger fan than you” is the most comical thing ever.
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uhh no
you are hater and im not. My ridicule of scabs as you call it of was based on the fact that he is terrible, and should never be thought of as JC’s equal….in any universe or dimension. Your claims against JC and in favor of scabs was misguided uninformed and flat out laughable.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
143.RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Kool Kell copies and pastes well
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Exla,
you gotta stick with what you’re good at
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hahahahaha good
August 9th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
JFB,
what would these guys have done if JaMarcus was the #2 QB last year when “Soup” got canned?
suicide by the masses.
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If anyone was around to see what happened in New York vs. the Giants (in 2009) – THAT’S what would’ve happened … THEN, Hue would’ve kicked his ass and force-fed him cheeseburgers ’till he blew his load on the sidelines … either way, ESPN would’ve gotten a “Not Top 10″ out of it!!
August 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
uhh no
you are hater and im not.
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JFB = Raider hater?
LOL!
Come on, Mistic …
August 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
I think the new Total Quaterback Ranking System is a more comphrensive way to look at a QB’s game, ok?
Now you simple-minded idiots can go back to Code Black, all day.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
JCamp got benched for Todd Collins & Bruce Gradkowski, but there is NO CHANCE he gets benched for Boller or Edwards – right?
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I guess we shouldn’t start printing up those “In La Secla We Trust” t-shirts, right?
August 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Vegas Raider a hater? Naw not at all….thats my dawg there
August 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
148.KoolKell Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
I think the new Total Quaterback Ranking System is a more comphrensive way to look at a QB’s game, ok?
Now you simple-minded idiots can go back to Code Black, all day.
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U have no room to talk about anyone being simple minded when you have been 1000000 pct guilty of that your damn self
August 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
When I log on to this site, I want to read good posts by the Raider Nation. See KK and I have to hit the speed delete button. I don’t agree with all posts but we deserve better than cut and paste by KK.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
CODE BLACK 2011…….stop hatin bruh for BHP comes and handles you lol
August 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Kell knows football i agree but the cut and paste schit all day is lame mayne
August 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
uhh no
you are hater and im not.
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JFB = Raider hater?
LOL!
Come on, Mistic …
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Dont put words in my mouth. raider hater no, JC hater confirmed.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Mistic you were doing so well…checked with the judges and they all had you ahead in the points, until the low blow.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
I think the new Total Quaterback Ranking System is a more comphrensive way to look at a QB’s game, ok?
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When Kool Kell does something original, he forgets there is spell check. It’s spelled quarterback.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
I guess we shouldn’t start printing up those “In La Secla We Trust” t-shirts, right?
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Nope.
Danny Southwick 24/7
August 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
comprehensive
August 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Kell knows football i agree but the cut and paste schit all day is lame mayne
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Funny, a few monthes ago KK was calling some dude out for posting lists of all the Free agents by position. Like it was wasting the blog space…
August 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Just ignore the s%&* and it will eventually get cleaned up by the maid! Keep postin’ it real and we’ll smoke out all the haters, the pretenders, and the “Ricky”s!!!
August 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Portis, Moss, Cooley = all Pro Bowls.
Not to mention HOF left tackle Samuels.
Not as fast as our guys, twice as productive (so far)
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Exactly, JFB
Mistic does not want me to post stats for these guys during Campbell’s tenure in Washington.
JCamp got benched for Todd Collins & Bruce Gradkowski, but there is NO CHANCE he gets benched for Boller or Edwards – right?
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laughable,
post any stats you want, they have no bearing on this year, this team this offense, or these players.
Rockstar, take a number next to jfb, gradkowskiraider and the rest of them JC is going to destroy you and your we hate jc committee/ heart of a lion club
August 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Mistic you going tomorrow?
August 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
raider hater no, JC hater confirmed
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JFB saw something in Bruce that made him excited. Perhaps it was mobility & leadership or what he did in the 4th quarter against the Squeelers, who knows?
But for whatever reason he’s taking a cautious approach with Jason Campbell and I don’t blame him
August 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
# DutchRaider77 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Mistic you were doing so well…checked with the judges and they all had you ahead in the points, until the low blow.
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Sorry Dutch, but im simply stating facts. JFB has already admitted that no matter what JC does he will never accept him, he just isnt his cup of tea. Translation JC hater
August 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Sorry, I meant Thursday?
August 9th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
# DutchRaider77 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Mistic you going tomorrow?
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i wish,
But i am scrapping together soem change to hit a coupld of regular season games again this year. I do about 1-3 games every year
August 9th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
I am rooting for McClain and DHB.
With DHB I think he has great work ethic and the desire to contribute and live up to his draft status, but he just does not have the talent. He didn’t show it in college and he has not shown it in the NFL, so there is little reason to hope he suddenly finds his mojo.
My doubt about McClain came from first watching him in his bowl game where he just didn’t look that fast or good on the field, but someone said he might be playing injured, so I brushed it off, but then……
….the night before the draft, on NFLNetwork, when Charlie Casserly was asked who might be overrated in the draft he named McClain. Said on film he didn’t show great speed or instincts on the field, nor did he shed blocks well, nor did he make many big plays for being that highly acclaimed (paraphrasing). His first year gave me no indications that Casserly was wrong about that stuff, but I still hope he can be a good player. I simply am not waiting for him to develop into the next Ray Lewis or anything near that. I have confidence that he will be a good player, but I have not seen anything that makes me think he will be great.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
kinda the way they rate QB’s in collage…You know the grading system where ONLY Bruce Gradkowski scored over 70% 2 years in a row.Yes Sir whUen you think of the likes of Montana,Stabler,Unitas,Favor,Rodgers and the list goes on…No one ever scored 70% or higher in division 1A 2 years in a row….except bruce gradkowski.Man thats the kind of talent someone should go out of there way to groom 4 greatness.sure wish we could get someone like that.That kinda of grading system?
August 9th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Rockstar, take a number next to jfb, gradkowskiraider and the rest of them JC is going to destroy you and your we hate jc committee/ heart of a lion club
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Mistic,
I am supportive of Jason Campbell. I think he deserves to start this year and nobody questions whether or not he’s better than Boller & Edwards. I think we need to groom a QB for the future, just in case JCamp isn’t the guy. I think he’s a stopgap. I don’t think he sucks, but I don’t think he has what it takes to carry this team on his shoulders and will it to victory.
As Jerry & Steve constantly point out, Campbell plays well when he has a running game. When he doesn’t? Don’t expect much from him
August 9th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
JC = QB
Boss = Soon-to-be
DHB = Wannabe
Woodson = Better DB’s
DMAC = TDs
Raider haters = SOBs
August 9th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Montana,Stabler,Unitas,Favor,Rodgers
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Favor? Did you mean Faaahhhh-vruh?
August 9th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
KK said
Now you simple-minded idiots can go back to Code Black, all day.
haha once in great while you come up with a good one. This is funny because you are the ultimate hypocrite. All day, every day, Al is the Devil, 28-57, Al is the devil, The Raiders suck, 18-76, Al is the devil
August 9th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Dakota Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
I am rooting for McClain and DHB.
With DHB I think he has great work ethic and the desire to contribute and live up to his draft status, but he just does not have the talent. He didn’t show it in college and he has not shown it in the NFL, so there is little reason to hope he suddenly finds his mojo.
My doubt about McClain came from first watching him in his bowl game where he just didn’t look that fast or good on the field, but someone said he might be playing injured, so I brushed it off, but then……
….the night before the draft, on NFLNetwork, when Charlie Casserly was asked who might be overrated in the draft he named McClain. Said on film he didn’t show great speed or instincts on the field, nor did he shed blocks well, nor did he make many big plays for being that highly acclaimed (paraphrasing). His first year gave me no indications that Casserly was wrong about that stuff, but I still hope he can be a good player. I simply am not waiting for him to develop into the next Ray Lewis or anything near that. I have confidence that he will be a good player, but I have not seen anything that makes me think he will be great.
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DHB is a nice enough guy and I really do wish him well. He has a lot of speed, he just does NOT have pro talent! I watched him play at Maryland and I didn’t see it there (unlike with Vernon Davis, where EVERYBODY saw it; E.J. Henderson – same thing). He will never come close to earning the money that’s been thrown at him. Would’ve been a much better story if he had come in as fifth rounder and worked his way into a serviceable #3. Bottom line = will never recoup the investment (realism, here!)
RoMac = Let’s reassess after Year Two … not bad, so far.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
He He yep I meant favre .not even farve passed over 70% 2 in a row….I know Ima “lil” jaded bc Ima big polack 2 but Grads shows real promise,in his 5th year.I mean why not….very solid,very accurate….damn Big Al.Thgis I question more than the Cable killing.no matter how it woulda turned out,grads would make an excellent back-up if he didnt start
August 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Rockstar, take a number next to jfb, gradkowskiraider and the rest of them JC is going to destroy you and your we hate jc committee/ heart of a lion club
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Mistic,
I am supportive of Jason Campbell. I think he deserves to start this year and nobody questions whether or not he’s better than Boller & Edwards. I think we need to groom a QB for the future, just in case JCamp isn’t the guy. I think he’s a stopgap.
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Say it like it is. being supportive isnt the same as wanting him to be the qb. you support him but you would rather have some one else. you dont think he is good enough or a good qb.
I do think he is a good qb, and i do think he is good enough to win a super bowl.
being supportive wont stop me from calling out all of you that dont think he can cut it.
August 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Here is how you do it Kool Kell. You make a statement i.e. Deer Antler Supplement that Hue Jackson was told not to endorse is undetectible. Then you post the source:http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201108/deer-antler-supplements-might-be-kryptonite-pro-sports-drug-policies. No need to cut and paste the whole article. I hope this helps you out. lol
August 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Plunketthead Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
KK said
Now you simple-minded idiots can go back to Code Black, all day.
haha once in great while you come up with a good one. This is funny because you are the ultimate hypocrite. All day, every day, Al is the Devil, 28-57, Al is the devil, The Raiders suck, 18-76, Al is the devil
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Plunk,
You may have forgotten this, but one or two times he also mentioned that Al is the Devil …
August 9th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Boss the BEEEEEAST!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9jB90ewe_8
August 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Kell issue with CODE BLACK really isnt about the name….its the fact that the person who started it up he hates with a passion. He is very bitter over the woodshed whoopins he has recieved on here and it eats at him everyday. How many times does Kell just post positive stuff all day? He said last month he isnt on here to make friends. LOL are you serious? You dont wanna band together with other Raider guys? Amazing
August 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
4evaRaider Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
He He yep I meant favre .not even farve passed over 70% 2 in a row….I know Ima “lil” jaded bc Ima big polack 2 but Grads shows real promise,in his 5th year.I mean why not….very solid,very accurate….damn Big Al.Thgis I question more than the Cable killing.no matter how it woulda turned out,grads would make an excellent back-up if he didnt start
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4eva:
I’m sure I made this rant before — Got nuthin’ but love for Grads; but he was too damn fragile. We just had to go a different direction. In Cincy, he’s gonna get freakin’ housed! Trent Edwards? Not so sure about that one. Boller? I’d trust him as a #3, but I think we need a better #2
August 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
did I tell ya my thought’s on our QB sityation? lol
August 9th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
182.4evaRaider Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
did I tell ya my thought’s on our QB sityation? lol
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Yeah we heard it
August 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
I hear ya tbone…too bad he is a lil brittle,coulda been a little mor protected.but man-o-man the kid has the grit or the intangables,imo.young too if I didnt mention B4
August 9th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
‘)
August 9th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Br ien you just in time 2hear yada yada yak yak …!
August 9th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Well 2011 season is near and we have our guys….those other formers Raiders arent on the team and as Big Seymour said…IM CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAIDERS
August 9th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Say it like it is. being supportive isnt the same as wanting him to be the qb. you support him but you would rather have some one else. you dont think he is good enough or a good qb.
I do think he is a good qb, and i do think he is good enough to win a super bowl.
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Mistic,
Jason Campbell is average. I hope he proves me wrong
He’s got a long ways to go to be “good” or “great” imo
August 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
4eva am i? lol….you can say BRIEN now…..just not B@uce with the actual “a” lol
August 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Still lmao @ this.
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Priesttj Says:
August 8th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
KK do we have a problem?? huh?? it can be handled anyway you want.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
OK
Still would like 2C us draft and groom a QB….always thought that was the best way.Hopefully JC can take us all the way for a long time and we can be groomin a young’n at the same time.soundz 2good
August 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
I got JC down as an above average qb….but to say he is good just aint true. He has potential to be pretty darn good but I doubt he can be a great MVP multiple pro bowl type of guy
August 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
thankx 4 bringing me up 2 speed Brien! Polacks some time take a liul while on da uptake!
August 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels & Jansen in Washington back then were better than our current combination.
The reason JC doesn’t get credit for what those guys did is because…
He got benched 3 times in two seasons there, including by a Hall of Fame coach!
August 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
190.MistaBrown Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Still lmao @ this.
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Priesttj Says:
August 8th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
KK do we have a problem?? huh?? it can be handled anyway you want.
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That schit is too funny….Walter Matthau and Jack Lemon in Grumpy Old Men
August 9th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Good afternoon gents…and to those to whom that doesn’t apply. I’m usually content to lurk, but recent events in my neck of the woods have lead me to feel the need to vent…and to bounce my thoughts regarding this team off of you guys.
I live in the Dallas area, so I have a lot of first hand experience dealing with the ignorant misconceptions that a lot of so called hardcore NFL fans have regarding this current Raiders team. The season hasn’t even started, and I’m already tired of arguing with dumb Cowboys fans. It’s kinda like having to deal with someone like MR face to face on a day to day basis.
Anyhow, I may not have the insiders perspective that a lot of you who live in the Bay area have…or the magical copy & paste skills of a certain individual who graced us with a lavish demonstration of said skills just a few minutes ago, but here’s my take on this years team, and their keys to success.
The largest misconception out there right now, besides the believe that all Raiders fans are moronic douche bags, is that our offense sucks. We put up a lot of points last year, but somehow most NFL fans seem to believe that those points had more to do with luck than with ability. The truth is that while it wasn’t always pretty, it was usually effective. The offense also seemed particularly adept at taking advantage of the turnovers cause by our D.
All in all, I’m actually encouraged by the fact that they scored so much, despite still being rough around the edges. They basically got by on physical superiority. If Huge Action and his staff can smooth those edges out a bit, I don’t see too many teams out there that can stop the Raider offense. They have too many weapons. If the coaching staff do more than just smooth things out a bit, and can actually get them to execute in a polished manner…..look out.
I believe that there are four keys to the Raiders making some serious noise this year. One, is health. Chaz and DMAC HAVE to stay healthy. DMAC is set to have a monster year….if he can stay on the field. Chaz has the talent and physical gifts to be a true number 1….but first he needs to prove that Glass Schilens is dead and buried.
Two, is Soup. He’s playing in the same system in consecutive seasons for the first time as a pro. He has to display the comfort level that that familiarity should afford him. He shouldn’t have to think nearly as much. He should be able to react and play on instinct. That in turn should allow his natural ability to shine through. If it doesn’t, then that means that he truly doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude required to be a good NFL quarterback….and that we’re screwed. But, I believe he’ll step up.
Three, significantly lowering the amount of big plays we allow. For the love of God, please fix the stinkin run D already! If ROMAC doesn’t immediately show improvement shedding blocks, move him to the outside, and give Gaither a shot….please. It also can’t hurt to let Big John have more of Kelley’s first and second down reps. Watching our defense stuff a guy for 3/4’s of a game, only to have it all undone in one fell swoop at the worst possible time is sickening. Also, if Huff doesn’t man up and quit being so damned tentative in open field situations vs running backs, move him. There’s no doubt that he’s good in coverage, so try him at CB…or make him a nickel guy. I think we over paid to bring him back….but I hope the big contract makes him feel obligated to grow a pair.
Four, marginalizing the impact of losing the Nnamdi factor. I still have hope that Routt and CJ can hold up as well as they did when they were being picked on constantly because everyone was afraid to even look at Nnamdi. But, training camp has taken a toll on that hope. CJ’s looked pretty good…but Routt is scaring me. I’m hoping that the fact that he’s been on the wrong end of so many completed long passes just means that Soup is locked in…and that our young wide outs, especially DMoore, aka Smooth, are just that good. If Routt crumbles…we could be in real trouble. But, worst case scenario, I do see Huff’s versatility as insurance against allowing this possibility to ruin the season.
I genuienely believe that, if those four keys all go our way, the talent is in place to allow this team to challenge for the right to represent the AFC in the battle for the Lombardi. Raider Nation has been very patient, but this team has reached the point where excuses are inexcusable. It’s put up or shut up time, Raiders. Make The Nation proud!!!
August 9th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
I don’t think JC has EVER finished a season in the top 15, be it QB rating, TD to INT ratio, TDs, Yards, anything really.
If he blossoms this late into his career (6th year starting) it will be the latest a QB has blossomed in the last two decades.
(Gannon was in 5th year full time starter when he arrived, Young was like 4th year full-time in SF).
I think JC is what he is. Average to below average his entire career, despite surrounded by Pro Bowl o-linemen, tight ends, RBs, and above-average WRs.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
rofl
grumpy old men meets Fred Sanford
August 9th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Whats even funnier is KK had no reply he just left.
haha
August 9th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Joe, those that doubt our offense will tell you that 100 of our 400 points came in 2 games against Denver.
They will also tell you that we SUCKED on offense against the Titans, 49ers, Rams, Steelers, Dolphins, and Colts – most of the non-AFC west teams we faced.
Our offense is much-improved over what we had in the mid 2000s. It is not a top-10 NFL offense because we are far too inconsistent, especially our passing O.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Say it like it is. being supportive isnt the same as wanting him to be the qb. you support him but you would rather have some one else. you dont think he is good enough or a good qb.
I do think he is a good qb, and i do think he is good enough to win a super bowl.
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A lot of people said the same thing about Brad Johnson, before he went to Tampa Bay … and Trent Dilfer, before he arrived in Baltimore.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Looks like R Woodson is going to make a difference coaching the DB’s. Too bad #21 wasn’t here maybe Rod could’ve made a player out of him. Routt, Johnson, and the youngsters will step their game up. A concept that alludes MR.
Just pull the trigger!
August 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Raidertbone,
we don’t exactly have the Ravens or Bucs’ defense.
So we’ll need something more than a marginal QB to even sniff the playoffs.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
I know that, Alex….but that’s what I was getting at when I said we were rough around the edges. The talent is there. They just need to execute. Also, the oline needs to give Soup enough time to actually get through his progressions so that he can prove that he’s not destined to be Cpt Checkdown for the rest of his career.
That being said, he did get a lot better at buying time with his legs towards the end of the season…once he started getting more comfortable with the system.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
QB Jason Campbell projected stats
based only on the last 5 games of 2010
18 comp/g
27.8 att/g
213 yds/g
3400+ tot. yds
19 tot. td
6 tot. int
64% comp %
90+ passer rating
It took him a while but once he learned the system and became the undisputed starting QB, he performed well. 9-11 wins if he continues to play like this.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Brad Johnson
also had a 4,000 yard season, a Pro Bowl birth, and an incredibly high WINNING record BEFORE he went to TB.
Let’s stop the silly comparisons.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Who will have the better year, Matt Shaughnesy or Lamarr Houston?
August 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Yes, if JC can somehow play the way he did in his last 6 games, we’ll be a playoff game.
But I think that stretch had more to do with playing some weak teams than with JC suddenly getting it after 5.5 years in the NFL.
He was rather terrible vs the Colts until the final 2-minute drive when Indy was up 2 scores and in a soft D.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RAIDER Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Mistic, by covering your bets like that, and giving the disclaimer that “If Campbell gets protection, he’ll be good”, you’re only showing us you really don’t believe in him. Otherwise, why cover your bets? Why not just flat out say he’ll be good? Think Green Bay fans are saying Rodgers will be good if he gets protection? They just know he’ll be good, one way or the other. Either take a stand for your player or stand mute. You sound ridiculous. Everyone here knows what you’re doing.
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This idiot talks like he covers his own bets lol….Hey MR, who did you say the starting quarterback would be for the Raiders opening day 2010?
August 9th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Raider J Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
QB Jason Campbell projected stats
based only on the last 5 games of 2010
18 comp/g
27.8 att/g
213 yds/g
3400+ tot. yds
19 tot. td
6 tot. int
64% comp %
90+ passer rating
It took him a while but once he learned the system and became the undisputed starting QB, he performed well. 9-11 wins if he continues to play like this.
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This. I’m basing all my expectations on Campbell being able to build off of what he did over those last 5 games. If he doesn’t, we won’t be any better than we were last year.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Prediction, Campbell will put up big numbers this year, but itll be due to the play makers on our team and the YAC they pick. Campbell will get the media hype as the QB, but Raiders fans know where the credit belongs. Jackson, DMac, the WR’s and so on. Statistically, this will easily be Campbells best season.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Houston will have a better year, only because he is working against RTs while Nasty has to go against LTs.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
****Nice Article about oru DBSs life after Nnamdi in USA Today!****
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/raiders/2011-08-08-nnamdi-asomugha-life-after_n.htm
August 9th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
The only way our DBs do well this year is if we put a rush on like nobodys business!!! We must penetrate as hard and as fast as we can!!! We must penetrate!!!!
August 9th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
alex7 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
But I think that stretch had more to do with playing some weak teams than with JC suddenly getting it after 5.5 years in the NFL.
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4 of the 5 teams were in playoff contention at the time they played. & he gradually got it (this system) over the course of one season
August 9th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Im done responding to in house haters.
Go Raiders 2011!!!
I will continue to read and post after games
August 9th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Hey John Boy! What you said is Booty!!!! Give Campbell his credit if he has a good year. Nobody said that about Grads when he had good games. There was nothing but but kissing going on!
That is the dumbest thing I have heard to take a guys credit. Did you disscredit Gannon when he threw a 10 yard out to Tim Brown and he turned up field and ran for 40 yards. Would you say well Gannon only threw the ball 10 yards? Heck no, so give the guy his credit.
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211.John David Booty Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Prediction, Campbell will put up big numbers this year, but itll be due to the play makers on our team and the YAC they pick. Campbell will get the media hype as the QB, but Raiders fans know where the credit belongs. Jackson, DMac, the WR’s and so on. Statistically, this will easily be Campbells best season.
August 9th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Raider J don’t go away mad Raider Brother I support you! You are right it is time to be positive. Some of these idiots on this blog would not give Campbell his due if he had an Aaron Rodgers like year. It is crazy man. They will pump up a journey man like Grads like he was the truth and turn around and dog Campbell for playing well the last half of the year. Best offense and QB play we saw since Rich Gannon, hands down!
August 9th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
We must penetrate as hard and as fast as we can!!!
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CJL,
are you on the wrong website?
August 9th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Slow day huh RR ?
August 9th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
BrownStains
I’m about to dump some pulled pork, maybe you want to supplement your pork n beans?
August 9th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
QB Jason Campbell projected stats
based only on the last 5 games of 2010
18 comp/g
27.8 att/g
213 yds/g
3400+ tot. yds
19 tot. td
6 tot. int
64% comp %
90+ passer rating
It took him a while but once he learned the system and became the undisputed starting QB, he performed well. 9-11 wins if he continues to play like this.
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that would be solid !!!
It’s almost impossible to predict such things, though.
Tom Cable, Paul Hackett, Ted Tollner & Jim Michalczik all played a part in coaching up that offensive unit.
Plus players such as Gradkowski, O’Sullivan, Gallery, Walker, Henderson, Zmiller & Higgins were in the fold
August 9th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Slow day huh RR ?
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Brown,
it’s actually been pretty busy here at work. I’m taking a late lunch. 10 minutes left
what’s the latest on Prez BO?
August 9th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor plans to conduct a Pro Day workout on Friday. One team that plans to attend could possibly keep him in the state of Ohio.
Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Browns will attend the session. It’s not known which member(s) of the staff will be present.
-PFT
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sounds like we might have some competition!
August 9th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
LeBron James working out with Hakeem Olajuwon
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Miami Heat = 2012 NBA Champs!
August 9th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
LeBron James working out with Hakeem Olajuwon
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Yeah I saw that.
Dude about to go into the post where he should’ve been 8 years ago instead of on the perimeter giving guys a break by pulling up for jumpers.
They can trade Bosh now and really make a run at some rings.
August 9th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
LeBron James working out with Hakeem Olajuwon
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Miami Heat = 2012 NBA Champs!
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never
August 9th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Kool Kell is a cut and paste Artist in the first degree. Don’t mess with the Zohan.
CODE BLACK
August 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Chris Johnson not reporting to camp and effing of an accrued year is kinda puzzling.
Tenn is going to be garbage with or without him. I’d call his bluff if I were the owner.
August 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
BrownStains
I’m about to dump some pulled pork, maybe you want to supplement your pork n beans?
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Man, people just want to have fun with you in a respectful manner and you gotta go and say somethin mean and nasty. Come on man, just lighten up and have fun.
August 9th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Chris Johnson not reporting to camp and effing of an accrued year is kinda puzzling.
Tenn is going to be garbage with or without him. I’d call his bluff if I were the owner.
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Think Johnson should honor his contract? Do you think he is worth more than: “The final two years of his deal can max out at roughly $2.7 million.” The Titans said they will only talk contract extension when he reports, would you believe them if you were him?
August 9th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
230.Shake A Leg Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
BrownStains
I’m about to dump some pulled pork, maybe you want to supplement your pork n beans?
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Man, people just want to have fun with you in a respectful manner and you gotta go and say somethin mean and nasty. Come on man, just lighten up and have fun.
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Having fun would go against everything the guy stands for
August 9th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
LeBron James working out with Hakeem Olajuwon
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Man u saw how much better Kobe got when he worked out with the Dream…..LBJ needs more game….but he also needs to man up
August 9th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
226.J Hill Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
LeBron James working out with Hakeem Olajuwon
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Yeah I saw that.
Dude about to go into the post where he should’ve been 8 years ago instead of on the perimeter giving guys a break by pulling up for jumpers.
They can trade Bosh now and really make a run at some rings.
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Dont worry aint about to be a season Jhill…..so we dont get to see Klay,Curry and Wright run a train of deep 3s on the lakers
August 9th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
231.DutchRaider77 Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Chris Johnson not reporting to camp and effing of an accrued year is kinda puzzling.
Tenn is going to be garbage with or without him. I’d call his bluff if I were the owner.
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Think Johnson should honor his contract? Do you think he is worth more than: “The final two years of his deal can max out at roughly $2.7 million.” The Titans said they will only talk contract extension when he reports, would you believe them if you were him?
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These guys live better than 99pct of this blog…..spare me what he is worth….is he worth more than a teacher or fireman?
August 9th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Brian the Genital, you’re supposed to be standing up for your poor grandpappy Krappy.
After all, only a few more days until you’ll be changing his soiled diapers at half time.
BOOYAH RIFFIC
August 9th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
202.MistaBrown Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Looks like R Woodson is going to make a difference coaching the DB’s. Too bad #21 wasn’t here maybe Rod could’ve made a player out of him. Routt, Johnson, and the youngsters will step their game up. A concept that alludes MR.
Just pull the trigger!
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And there u have it
August 9th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
229.J Hill Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Chris Johnson not reporting to camp and effing of an accrued year is kinda puzzling.
Tenn is going to be garbage with or without him. I’d call his bluff if I were the owner.
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Chris Johnson is doing the right thing. If the shoe was on the other foot the team would cut his azz without hesitation.
If Chris Johnson plays on his cheap rookie contract and gets injured his ability to provide for his family would be greatly reduced. He has out performed his contract, and I use the term contract loosely, so the Titans need to pay the man his fair market value.
Johnson should have told the team he would report on time, but if he didn’t have a new contract by the first preseason game he would never re-sign with them once his deal expired. Right now he is the ONLY reason to watch that team.
August 9th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Dudes it’s looking like we’re going to get a team in LA after all. Don’t worry, I’ve already got my luxury box reserved, it’ll be near the 40 yrd line.
Word is there’ll be room for a Coors Light Party Ball near the buffalo wing station, so my ladies can party serious.
Love the Silver & Black, but I’ll also support whatever team makes LA their home, wizzle. That’s just how I do.
August 9th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Three big questions for Oakland this season.
Kinda puts things in perspective but I still think we got a good team.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
August 9th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Dudes it’s looking like we’re going to get a team in LA after all. Don’t worry, I’ve already got my luxury box reserved, it’ll be near the 40 yrd line.
Word is there’ll be room for a Coors Light Party Ball near the buffalo wing station, so my ladies can party serious.
Love the Silver & Black, but I’ll also support whatever team makes LA their home, wizzle. That’s just how I do.
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I hope you get kidnapped by terrorists and have your eye balls burned out.
August 9th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Wow. Almost an entire thread discussing JaJason.
One ardent JaJason supporter who likes to call anyone that disagrees with him about JaJason an “impostor”.
A few posters that think JaJason will have a good year.
A lot of JaJason skeptics, hoping he has a good year.
I kind of fall into the last category.
I’m hoping he does well. But I’m convinced he won’t.
I’m really not skeptical about JaJason.
I’m certain he sucks.
August 10th, 2011 at 10:50 am
CODE Jump off the sinking ship!!!
August 10th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Did you order the CODE BLACK on Rod Woodhead!!
August 10th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
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