Training camp practice highlights, notes and quotes
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, August 13th, 2011 at 7:48 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Coach Hue Jackson put his troops through a longer-than-usual, tougher-than-usual practice Saturday, two days after the Raiders lost their exhibition opener to the Arizona Cardinals.
“Long practice today, but it was a good one, a tough one,” Jackson said. “That’s what it’s supposed to be, especially after you lose a game. But the guys are responding. They know what needs to be done.”
At times, players were allowed to finish off tackles, something that doesn’t take place very often in practices. The drills were lively, crisp and spirited. Playing before 150 or so fans no doubt stoked the intensity level.
The defense dominated the full-team drills, for the most part. Linebackers Rolando McClain and Darryl Blackstock recorded interceptions in red-zone drills.
“Anything can happen when I blow that horn,” Jackson said of the heightened physical contact. “That’s the name of the game. I don’t want them to know and have it planned, so everyone is prepared and ready to go. That’s just the way it is.
“You hear the siren go off, that means anything goes, and I set the ball down and we decide to go down there and have a little fun. And defense did a great job. Offense has got to continue to grow and we will.”
*Penalties were at the forefront of most discussions with players on the heels of the Raiders committing 10 for 84 yards against the Cardinals.
It’s clear that Jackson isn’t just paying lip service to the issue that he says has to be resolved. The Raiders led the league in penalty yards last season and were among the leaders in penalties committed.
“Oh, yeah, he got on us today about it,” cornerback Stanford Routt said. “We had a couple of penalties at practice today. He definitely told us that we definitely got to cut down on them because that’s how you lose football games real quick. Like I said, it was our first game since Jan. 2 of last year, two weeks into training camp, so it’s not time to panic yet.”
Jackson has said that one penalty is too many. At the same time, there’s a “fine line” between toning down the aggressiveness and keeping your edge. It’s Jackson’s job to instill in his players finding the proper balance.
Right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes committed three penalties against the Cardinals. Jackson pointed out that Barnes played penalty-free football in practice Saturday.
Cornerback Walter McFadden and backup tight end Kevin Brock committed two each.
“We’ve got a couple of culprits,” Jackson said, without singling out anyone, in particular. ”I kind of know who they are. And I’m addressing them, just those guys in particular. But, obviously, it’s a team-wide problem. We need to address it.”
*Wide receiver Chaz Schilens has a sprained right knee, Jackson said. Schilens is week to week. He did not practice Saturday.
Jackson admitted that he will be even more cautious with Schilens, given Schilens’ injury history since the Raiders selected him in the seventh round of the 2008 NFL draft. Schilens battled foot and knee injuries last season.
Jackson also wants to be extra cautious with Schilens because of how vital he is to the offense when healthy.
“He’s a big guy, he’s dominant in what he does,” Jackson said. “He’s a big target for our quarterback. Again, I know every time there’s an injury, everybody goes, `Oh, my, God.’ I don’t, because I know this is football. Obviously, we want to make sure all our players are out there. But these things happen.”
*Schilens and Louis Murphy are the projected starters based on their experience. Murphy, too, is dealing with an injury. He missed practice for the eighth straight time Saturday with a sore hamstring.
Murphy said he is back running and expects to be back at practice soon. Jackson said Murphy is close to returning for the first time since Aug. 1.
“Yeah, it’s getting better,” Murphy said. “We’ve just been taking it slow. You don’t want to reinjure it and make it into a longer situation.”
*Offensive lineman Stephon Heyer was escorted from the field midway through practice with what Jackson thinks is a strained triceps. Heyer wasn’t available for comment afterward.
Before the injury, Heyer was getting some reps at right offensive tackle whenever Barnes wasn’t with the first-team offense. Heyer played guard and tackle against the Cardinals, and he is being counted upon to compete for a starting spot and give the Raiders more depth and versatility.
*Samson Satele took most, if not all, of the snaps with the first-team offense. Rookie Stefen Wisniewski received some reps at left guard with the starting unit and played center with the second-team.
*Free safety Michael Huff played cornerback quite a bit against the Cardinals the other night, with second-year player Stevie Brown taking over at safety. Huff was at it again in practice.
That’s something you’re likely to see until the slew of first- and second-year cornerbacks show that they are capable of making plays on a consistent basis.
DeMarcus Van Dyke, Walter McFadden and Jeremy Ware all had their moments against the Cardinals where it appeared as if they have a ways to go before they can be relied upon in regular-season games.
Not to worry, Routt said.
“It’s so blown out of proportion,” Routt said. “They’re young. People are going to make mistakes. It’s preseason. Everybody wants to act like if you do bad in one preseason game, you should be crucified or whatever. It is what it is, the first preseason game. We got three more. Mistakes happen. Veterans make mistakes.”
Routt recalled his first exhibition game in 2005 not being something to cherish, either.
“Oh, man, the first one in my career, it wasn’t pretty,” Routt said. “It happens. Mistakes are the mother of learning. If you don’t mistakes, you really can’t learn.”
Jackson used Van Dyke as an example of how a young player can use a poor performance in a game as a learning experience.
“When I talk to the young man, there is no fear in him at all,” Jackson said. “Fitzgerald makes those plays on everybody. I’ve seen him make them on the best in this league. He made one on that young man. But the young man came back and stayed with him the next time, and that’s what this is all about.
“Then you come back out here to practice and, every now and then, I scheme things against him, to go test him. And I got him today. And that’s the fun part about our young players getting better every day. They’re going to win some and they’re going to lose some. What I want to make sure is when they lose ‘em, they don’t go in the tank. And that’s one thing about him. He doesn’t go in the tank. He comes out here, he keeps battling, and he’s looking for the next opportunity.”
*Rookie receiving sensation Denarius Moore turned in the catch of the day once again.
Moore slowed up from an underthrown pass from Jason Campbell, got position on Van Dyke, timed his leap perfectly, and snatched the ball at its highest point for a long reception.
Moore’s catch elicited hearty applause from the fans in attendance.
“I told you he’s a special player,” Campbell said. “He made a big third-down play (Thursday) and got yards after the catch. That was big. And then the punt return, ended up almost taking one to the house. It got called back, but you could see flashes of his talent and ability.”
*Moore wasn’t the only receiver who turned in a solid practice. Jackson doled out high praise for Darrius Heyward-Bey for his three receptions, including one that he turned into a long touchdown.
“He’s gotten better,” Jackson said. “The guy caught the ball in the game. We threw it to him, and he caught it. He went up and made a play on a contested catch. As I told you guys before, there’s no question in my mind that, at some point in time, he’s going to start coming down with those.
“He is working his tail off. He is very determined. He had a great day today. He’s catching the ball when we throw it to him, and that’s what matters. Obviously, his confidence is up, and the quarterback’s confidence is up in him. We just keep on going, and he’s doing a heck of a job.”
*The Raiders opened the game with a deep pass against the Cardinals, mixed in an end around and passed 36 times against the Cardinals. That’s nothing, Jackson said.
Just wait until the regular season, when games count and opponents aren’t sure what’s coming.
“You know how coach is,” Campbell said. “You’ve seen some of our games from last season. That definitely was not an A-plus playbook we threw out there in the game. It’s just something to get on film, see guys move from spot to spot, work on technique things. What you look at in preseason and the first game, is you’re pretty much scrimmaging against another team in a live atmosphere in front of fans.”
Jackson said it’s only a matter of time before he busts out a can of, well, you know.
“You’re going to laugh, that’s as vanilla as I’ve been in a long time,” Jackson said. “That was vanilla ice cream. I mean, there was no cherry on the top, no sprinkles. There was nothing to that. That was basic, Raider football. You’ll know when I decide to open up this can. We ain’t opened it yet. There’s no need to. We’re still teaching our team.”
*Routt shut down everything thrown his way Saturday. He even shadowed Moore on one play, riding him out of bounds as the ball sailed into the crowd.
*Jackson said that backup safety Hiram Eugene underwent surgery for the dislocated hip he suffered in the third quarter against the Cardinals.
“We need to find out what’s going on with that surgery,” Jackson said. “There are some decisions that need to be made after that surgery and when we see where he is. Those things will be coming soon, but we’ve got to further evaluate that to know what it is.”
It’s safe to assume that Eugene won’t be back anytime soon. It’s conceivable that he will be placed on injured-reserve at some point and miss the season. Too early to tell, though.
*Rookie cornerback Chimdi Chekwa (shoulder) returned to practice, but he still hasn’t been cleared to do too much. He dislocated his shoulder earlier in camp. Fellow cornerback Joe Porter also returned to practice after a long absence.
Running back Darren McFadden, receiver Jacoby Ford, defensive end Trevor Scott, safety Mike Mitchell and rookie running back Taiwan Jones missed practice once again. It’s uncertain when any of them will be back.
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August 13th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
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August 13th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Cut Condo with extreme prejudice!!!!!
August 13th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
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August 13th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
We all love Chaz but the knee problems got to go. We’ll probably cut him for someone who can show up for a game and deliver.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Campbell even underthrows long passes in practice.
He does it in the games all the time as well.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
Hopefully they fkgure out this coin toss thing next game so we can actually return one half…
August 13th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
What happened with MM34?
From someone who was supposed to compete for a starting gig, he is turning in a worthless camp so far.
A few unimpressive practices than on the mend for what is turning into weeks.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Too many captains on the field, like they say, too many indians and no chief. We had six guys out for the coin toss and no one knows how to make a “clear, concise response to the referree. Come on dudes, get your act together.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
cam newton looks better than campbell soup, then again
everybody looks better than campbell
August 13th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Ya, Kirk…what’s the proplem with Campbell? We have speedy receivers, he needs to let the ball rip, they’ll run under it. The throw Edwards made to Ausberry in the end zone for a TD was perfect and the receiver run under it and dragged his back foot. Excellent.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Hue has to be held responsible for that gaffe on the kickoffs.
No big deal really, just don’t let it happen again when it counts.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
that touchdown on van dyke was eugene fault because he slipped on the safty coverage.i think he did a decent job for his first game.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Schilens and Louis Murphy are the projected starters based on their experience.
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Hmmmmmm…..DHB almost has more career starts than these two combined.
Not sure what “experience” Corkran or Hue are talking about.
Maybe experience scoring TD’s??
August 13th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Barksdale should get a shot at rt.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
I use to rag on Condo all the time, thinking our starting center could snap the ball. I’ve come to accept the fact that a long snapper is something special and not too many guys can do it at a high level. Besides, Condo actually gets down field pretty good and contributes to the special teams handling the kicking duties.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
pass d and run d probs as usual?
August 13th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Obviously DVD has a lot of room to improve, but you can argue he may have been the worst player on the field out of the 130 or so who played the other night.
Shoved to the turf like a younger brother, and routinely schooled on by 2nd and 3rd stringers??
The only thing that didn’t make it seem so awful, was the fact that McFadden wasn’t doing much better on his side.
Huff to DB on 3rd downs seems appropriate to start the year, unless DVD and/or McFadden and Ware improve dramatically in the next couple of weeks.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Playing before 150 or so fans no doubt stoked the intensity level.
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Just like a real game.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Hagar The Horrible Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
We all love Chaz but the knee problems got to go. We’ll probably cut him for someone who can show up for a game and deliver.
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yea a decision has to be made on Chaz this year. With Moore, DHB, murph,ford, and hagan he is expendable. I know he has a cheap contract but this wait game is old now
August 13th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Corners man……Corners!
August 13th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
no decision needs to be made on chaz at all. they have the whole damn preseason to let this thing play out. i will never understand the mob mentality in here to cut someone after 1 game. i hope they start giving sterling moore a shot to play earlier. give wmc and dvd some competition with chekwa being out.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Playing before 150 or so fans no doubt stoked the intensity level.
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Just like a real game.
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Ouch, man!
August 13th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Obviously DVD has a lot of room to improve, but you can argue he may have been the worst player on the field out of the 130 or so who played the other night.
Shoved to the turf like a younger brother, and routinely schooled on by 2nd and 3rd stringers??
The only thing that didn’t make it seem so awful, was the fact that McFadden wasn’t doing much better on his side.
Huff to DB on 3rd downs seems appropriate to start the year, unless DVD and/or McFadden and Ware improve dramatically in the next couple of weeks.
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I disagree. DVD held his own out there. You have to consider the other variables in that equation.
* what Good veteran DB has Fitz NOT sonned yet.
* on the touchdown he played under, nd was supposed to have help that wasn’t there.
* absolutely no pass rush either , the best DBs can’t cover when the QB has all day
August 13th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Armond we ain’t talking about a drop pass or a poorly ran route,or a bad practice. We talking about a guy that has played maybe 12 games in a 3year span. U do the math buddy. Y keep a frame of a 64 mustang, when u have 4 other ones primed, oiled, WORKING, nd ready
August 13th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
NOT TO MENTION HE’s TAKING UP A ROSTER SPOT THAT CAN BE USED ELSEWHERE
August 13th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
I love friggin the guy (no homo) but he just can’t stay healthy That’s y we didn’t sign Gaither
August 13th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Hue & Saunders are going to make Bey into a beast. Bey & Ford will start the season w/ Murph & Moore getting plenty of snaps.
The O is going to be ridiculous. Thurs was plain vanilla and people thought we were running the book at ‘em. Hahaha.
Two TE sets are going to be a staple and we have the TEs to run it.
I can’t wait to see what Saunders has in store for DMC.
The defense is ready. Just get them through the pre healthy.
(Let’s see what Bruce Camp’s got).
August 13th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
only pre-season, dont hit the panic button yet. Im curious to see if the Niners cut loose on the Raiders, the way the Saints did to them….
i agree, we need to see what we have in Bruce Campbell…and DHB has to be the luckiest guy ever…Chaz hurt again, GUARANTEEING him plays along with Denarious Moore, Murph, and Hagen.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
From what I watched Thursday night it looks like there will be a lot of long tough practices ahead. 7-9
August 13th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
1. MM34 is “nicked up” so to make statements that suggest he is falling out of favor or his performance is poor is quite perposterous to be frank.
2. Hue is responsible for the overall team, true. But its still a stretch to blame him for the gaffe with the coin toss between vets. Plus the refs did not manage the situation as has been duly noted and admitted to. Instead of clarifying the conflicting statements the ref went ahead.
3. DVD was no where close to the worse player on the field. I don’t know where the hell you got this from. Worse than McFadden? Are you kidding me? In fact, I see a lot of promise in that kid. With enough work he could be one of the best. He is so damn fluid its ridiculous.
4. You routinely give poor analysis. Yes, its your analysis and you are entitled to it; but it is downright awful.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
It was a solid game with much to build on. Though McFadden didn’t look good with the two PI’s
August 13th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
3. DVD was no where close to the worse player on the field. I don’t know where the hell you got this from. Worse than McFadden? Are you kidding me? In fact, I see a lot of promise in that kid. With enough work he could be one of the best. He is so damn fluid its ridiculous.
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Right On!
August 13th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Is anyone keeping a counter on how many times Hue Jack City used the word “obviously” this training camp?
August 13th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
so chaz is taking up a roster spot from who? what wr is available right now that can play better?i think u need to do the math and understand that the preseason is 3 weeks away from being over.the dude has been listed week to week and who knows if hue isnt just being cautious when he says that. all that really counts is to have guys ready for the regular season. they know what he can do and thats that. im glad u guys dont make roster decisions cuz we would never have enuff players.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
You routinely give poor analysis. Yes, its your analysis and you are entitled to it; but it is downright awful.
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Well I got you down that DHB will be a Beast, Bruce Campbell is going to be real good, Cooper Carlisle is garbage, and you once told me MM34 is one of the brightest young prospect safeties in the NFL.
We shall see how those gems unfold.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
DVD was no where close to the worse player on the field
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Well someone has to be that guy, curious as to who you thought it was?
Walter McFadden? Maybe, certainly up for debate as I said.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
I started moving on from the Chaz lovefest last year. So if he were waived, PUP’d or IR’d it wouldn’t bother me too much. Sure it hurts the team some, but they’ve been in this situation for 3yrs now.
The organization stuck with Ron Curry all those years and they may do the same with Chaz.
As with Curry, I wouldn’t expect the same player once he does get healthy enough to make it through a season.
(Also, as an organization, you have to begin to think about moving on at some point. Its not good when a guy gets tackled once in a live game and comes up with an injury. Its very unfortunate but his injuries have certainly stunted his growth as a player).
August 13th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Terrapin,
I came on and said Bruce Campbell may get cut this season a month or so back.
You told me I was crazy, stupid, and even posted in all caps once (I guess to drive home the point, lol).
I’m thinking Bruce will be IR’s shortly, and they may be the best thing for him getting a roster “spot”.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
What happened with MM34?
From someone who was supposed to compete for a starting gig, he is turning in a worthless camp so far.
A few unimpressive practices than on the mend for what is turning into weeks.
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Daddy Mitch got his role cut out in the nickel… he’ll be on the field bout half the time.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Ahh don’t give me that crap. Trying to play ‘I got cha’ game. I use adjectives to describe ppl and I will continue to do so.
Yes, I think DHB could be a very good player. He has the potential and the work ethic.
I also think MM34 is a very good safety. His only problem is he has another really good playa in front of him that the staff is obviously high on.
I think CC is at the end of his road. Still, I think he is reliable. However, we should be looking to improve.
And certainly I belive BCamp has the potential to be a solid player. What he will become I do not know. But I can see he has the potential to be something very good. Thats why I’m anxious to see his progression.
Copy this if you want. Make a mental note. I don’t give a sht.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
I agree that we don’t know the extent of chaz’s injury. It could be just something minor but history says something different. His injury problems go back to college. 3 weeks ain’t gonna help somebody who always seems to have a injury. Once again 12 games in 3 years. Now what receivers are better hmmmm T.O., Randy, multi purpose randle el just to name a few. But we dont need them. think bruh who says that roster spot has to go to another WR. We could use a lil help maybe on Oline, maybe another WLB, vet corner.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
It’s really sad on the part of Chaz because you rarely find a receiver of his size (6′5″). speed. and ball skills. Not in the 7th round, you just don’t.
What I’m afraid of though is that he has one healthy, breakout season, and then Al does something stupid like lock him up with a bloated contract…You KNOW it’s going to happen
August 13th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Copy this if you want. Make a mental note. I don’t give a sht.
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I’m co-signing that schit Terrapin…lol
August 13th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Terrapin,
I came on and said Bruce Campbell may get cut this season a month or so back.
You told me I was crazy, stupid, and even posted in all caps once (I guess to drive home the point, lol).
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Because that was a CRAZY STUPID statement! The guy was injured – get it! Injured. Just because someone is injured and not practicing does not mean they will be cut. Thats just stupid.
Now what happens here on out, when he does hit the field is to be determined by him.
The problem with you guys is this: A player gets injured and you all go hog wild crazy with all this speculative mumbo jumbo. So and so is getting cut. So and so is no good.
You did the same sht with DHB and he just shut you up. You are doing the same sht with BCamp now.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
29.joker94583 Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
From what I watched Thursday night it looks like there will be a lot of long tough practices ahead. 7-9
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It’s a little silly to be making predictions this early in training camp. The New Orleans preseason game (game 3) will tell us something. We’ll have a better idea about our cornerbacks after seeing Drew Brees.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Hue & Saunders are going to make Bey into a beast. Bey & Ford will start the season w/ Murph & Moore getting plenty of snaps.
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That is a bit of a stretch. Maybe we can find a way to blame what Hue inherited on Cable.
But honestly, I see no beast in Bey.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
DHB is going to be a solid contributor to our WR corp.
Proud to have him on this team….
August 13th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
beast my be a stretch, but what can you say, i’m getting excited about this team
August 13th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Joker, I will say that the starters on both sides of the ball (exception Khalil Barnes) looked good. After that, it was frustrating to watch. Seabass was the star. The offense didn’t show much and there was no pressure on the QB after the starters came out, but like Coach says, they weren’t trying anything fancy. It’s too bad Hiram Eugene got hurt, that’s all.
August 13th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Very excited about this team…Very excited…We will be far better than last year…
August 13th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
The O is going to be killer….Top 5…
August 13th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
What happend to denver, and seattle last year is going to happen with more regularity this year…I dont care what team is on our schdule they are going to have to play. This team is done laying down.
The RAIDER Nation needs to get use to wining again…
August 13th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Thec – No question we will be better than last year. The hurdle this team faces is a tougher schedule
August 13th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
We didn’t blitz in the second half, and I have a problem with that. Even in preseason, I would rather be the one kicking a… All this stuff about playing vanilla so as not to give away anything is BS as far as I’m concerned.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
what ever happened to that guy noontide at silverandblackpride… i liked his posts..
August 13th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
JCAMPBELL is really comfortable throwing to DMOORE…
That 26 yard pass in the game JC could have went to the TE as he was openeed underneath…
The two have built a solid chemistry…
August 13th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
12 games in 3 years is something u made up. it may be only closer to 20 but it aint 12. u have no idea what 3 weeks will do for him. everything will play itself out over the next month. if he isnt good to go they will make a decision. hell no we dont need TO. we had moss here before and he quit. dont need randle el either. unless we get a top tier wr its pointless to bring in just another guy. as for filling other positions u can get rid of guys who cant play those spots. replace a olineman with a olineman.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
The purpose of preason is to measure your team, practice plays, and find areas for improvement. Its scrimmage. It mean nothing once the real season starts.
Now if the 1st (and to an extent 2nd) team looked really bad then I would be concerned. However, they did not. In fact, they looked better than AZ.
For a fan, thats your overall takeaway. Then you deeper dive into offense/defense, player alignment, etc.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
DVD was no where close to the worse player on the field
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Well someone has to be that guy, curious as to who you thought it was?
Walter McFadden? Maybe, certainly up for debate as I said.
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I was there and WMcFadden was beyond BAD in ALL aspects of his play. This is/was very unexpected but it is what it was. He stunk the place up and was responsible for 30% of the penalties. He played what appeared as scared and was giving up very easy pas completions. He played the run just as bad. If he doesn’t improve dramatically in the next game or two, he’ll be cut.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Raider on my fellow countrymen. Raider Nation is rising once again. From the bottom Al Davis has taken this team nowhere but up. Al Davis has got himself a man by the name of Hue “I’m briging the Raiders back to greatness” Jackson.
Raider On Gentlemen!
August 13th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
DHB should be more solid this year. Still making some hair pulling, beer bottle throwing drops that drive everyone in the place nutz. But, he’ll also probably catch a higher percentage than last year and get more comfortable. I see him gradually getting better each year. Hopefully he becomes a more fluid and “natural” receiver. If he had the “instinct” that D. Moore has as a rookie he would be incredible! Hopefully by year 4 or 5 he does, in which case he can be pretty special.
I just don’t know where his ceiling actually is. But, why not. If he keeps working hard, each year should get better.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
I’m interested to see what BCamp brings to the table. Hope he gets worked in soon and where they will try him.
Heyer getting reps at RT too? LG or RT, start him somewhere. Versus AZ he played some LG and looked really good – better than Loper. So he should at least start there.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
JFB,
I called Hue out on that choker yesterday mng while I was watching the game.
Hue’s popularity is giving him a pass on that, I guess.
But I’m with you on that.
I’m clownin’ every time I see him with that/
August 13th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
We need to beat all bad teams & win. SF 49er’s are a bad team. Enough said.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Veldheer, LIL Wiz, Satele, Heyer & Barksdale. IMO, that should be our new starting O-Line.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
36.Just Fire Baby Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
DVD was no where close to the worse player on the field
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Well someone has to be that guy, curious as to who you thought it was?
Walter McFadden? Maybe, certainly up for debate as I said.
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McFadden, by a long shot.
Boyd a close second.
Some would say Barnes, but I thought his blocking was pretty solid. Penalties get him some consideration for the award though, I will admit.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Thats it. DHBs ceiling is very high. Thats the crux of everything I’m saying with respect to him. The guy has a ton of potential and if you can pull it out of him he will be a special player.
I would say Bey and Moore have the highest ceilings followed closely by Ford (with size holding him back just a bit in my book), then Murphy and Schilens.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
JB – The issue with that lineup is Wiz has not been getting reps at LG. He has been getting reps at RG & C. In college he played C & RG.
To my recollection Heyer is getting reps at LT (2nd team), LG (1st team) and now RT (1st team). No reps at RG.
Maybe switch Heyer and Wiz in your lineup?
I’ll be interested in seeing Heyer & Campbell at RT. Heck I just want to see Campbell on the field!
August 13th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Fellas…fellas…where is all this negativity coming from? Terrapin…youre right on bro. DVD looked good (for being a rookie), and DHB is actually looking pretty good. I dont see where the 7-9 predictions are coming from. THE FIRST TEAMS LOOKED GOOD. Are we complaining about Walter McFadden?? A FIFTH ROUND PICK?? Sure…he sucked. I dont know about you guys but the energy, the chemistry, the RAIDERS, feel different. There is somethin brewin. Might have to post more and put some of us Raider “fans” in place…
August 13th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
DVD is a great player get over it.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
JB Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
We need to beat all bad teams & win. SF 49er’s are a bad team. Enough said.
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You got that right!
August 13th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
If u read my first post on that I ADMITTED that the 12 games in three years was an estimation But you have to admit he is UNRELIABLE when expected to play a whole season. Checked it he has played 29 out of 48 games for us. And this is who we waiting on to be our #1WR .
GP. GS Rec Yrd. Avg. L. TD
2010 5 0 5 40 8.0 11 1 – – – – – –
2009 8 8 29 365 12.6 25 2 – – – – – –
2008 16 6 15 226 15.1 60 2 1 -2 -2.0 -2 0 – –
Check NFL.com
August 13th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Dweebos -
I just got wheezy with some breezy in my hot tub, busted through a 2 ply Magnum. That’s what a 6er of Bartles & James and 2 lbs fun bag of Funyuns will do, right?
I haven’t gotten down with tanned Brazilians in a while, these babes will kick your butt! If I didn’t have a whole bowl of Jack n the Box curly fries in my pillow case i’d be totally screwed.
Anyway think I’ll be in a luxury box for the next home game. Who makes the best kielbasa in the stadium?
August 13th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
T.O. Is not someone we want in Campbell ear, yelling at him for not getting enough passes. But HUE could keep him in line.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
WR depth chart by the time our bye comes around:
1. Moore
2. Ford
3. Murphy
4. DHB
5. Miller
6. Hagan
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Ford would ahve been my number one but his injury is going to cause him to slide out of contention with Moore kid…. He is a natural and posseses rare football instict and speed… went to camp and was amazed by his footwork, never wasting a step…. and damn is he fast, so is DHB though…. Ford is elite as well but he is gonna have some catching up to do and it is clear that Hue is gonna ride the young horse and it was evident in the game because he was targeted 6 times while every other reciver only seen the ball thrown to them 1-3 times…. if chaz can stay healthy then he is our number 3… all i know whoever plays the slot is going to be deadly because these are the fastest recievers unit in football and 3 of them are studs and will shake any linebacker mismatch…. i say let Moore man the slot because he is great against press coverage where he uses his hands to get free like artwork… just from what i saw i was impressed… to sum our recievers corps up, I would say we are in better shape at this position since 02, when Rice left….
August 13th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
I really hope Sterling Moore makes the team, and no I don’t mean Denarius Moore either. Sterling Moore is the only young corner on the team who seems like he knows how to play the position so far. Walter McFadden is a bum.
I don’t know what it is about players with the last name Moore, but I want both of them on the 53 man roster.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Y’all get off DHB n$$tsack. Let’s wait an see HOW MUCH is he used an if he can be consistent. One nice play does not a man make.
I still say phooey cut the guy!!
Or lower his contract to meet his play.
Still hasn’t impressed me. Look guys if your good u at least look good in practice.
I mean look at DMoore make fluid catches. Looks like he was born doing a seam route.
Fluid very fluid. DHB looks like he’s fighting himself from his lack there of
August 13th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Holy crap, Je Ne here at the Ritz is going OFF.
Just macked on 2 totally wasted milfs who could not get enough of my expertise. I ended up letting them buy me an order of sliders and a few Lemon Drops before they cruised out with their husbands.
Headed up to the 10th floor to smoke a sweet blunt and possibly hook up with some bangin’ Canadian stripper. Guess she’s totally hammered but has been asking for me all night.
Gotta give the fans what they want, holla.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
DHB has no potential.
2 touchdowns in 26 games for a starting WR is a joke.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
yeah I was rough on Schillens but all I see is him injured year in and year out…. so I went with my gut that he will continue to hurt as the season progresses as will Ford’s injury…. Hue should have known better but I give him credit for believing in him… I hope Schillens gets better and proves me wrong because this guy is starting to get close to Ronald Curry status, who had major athletic skill but blew his achilles at least 3 times…. luckily for Chad that it is a seperate injury from last years… But if he ends up missing half the season due to injury, I do believe we will see the last of him here, especially with Ford and Moore playing so well and, to make matters worse DHB’s bloated contract will defintely oust him…
August 13th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
agree with u kirk if DHB had potential it would have showed last year he has been nothing but wasted space on the field…… now Moore has potential alright
August 13th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Moore and Ford should be our starting wide receivers on day one.
August 13th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
im gonna go ahead and make a poll…
how many receptions/yards/tds will dhb get this season?
A. 20-35 rec/ 300-450 yds/ 0-3 tds
B. 36-50 rec/ 451-650 yds/ 4-6 tds
C. 51-70 rec/ 651-850 yds/ 7-9 tds
D. 71-100 rec/ 851-1200 yds/ 10 or more tds
August 13th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Like i said Y’all get off DHB n$$tsack. Let’s wait an see HOW MUCH is he used an if he can be consistent. One nice play does not a man make.
I still say phooey cut the guy!!
Or lower his contract to meet his play.
Still hasn’t impressed me. Look guys if your good u at least look good in practice.
I mean look at DMoore make fluid catches. Looks like he was born doing a seam route.
Fluid very fluid. DHB looks like he’s fighting himself from his lack there of
August 13th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
1eyedpirate Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
yeah I was rough on Schillens but all I see is him injured year in and year out…. so I went with my gut that he will continue to hurt as the season progresses as will Ford’s injury…. Hue should have known better but I give him credit for believing in him… I hope Schillens gets better and proves me wrong because this guy is starting to get close to Ronald Curry status, who had major athletic skill but blew his achilles at least 3 times…. luckily for Chad that it is a seperate injury from last years… But if he ends up missing half the season due to injury, I do believe we will see the last of him here, especially with Ford and Moore playing so well and, to make matters worse DHB’s bloated contract will defintely oust him…
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Exactly!!! When u talk like this though some say u hating. SMH
August 13th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
J-Raider Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
im gonna go ahead and make a poll…
how many receptions/yards/tds will dhb get this season?
A. 20-35 rec/ 300-450 yds/ 0-3 tds
B. 36-50 rec/ 451-650 yds/ 4-6 tds
C. 51-70 rec/ 651-850 yds/ 7-9 tds
D. 71-100 rec/ 851-1200 yds/ 10 or more tds
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I say A
he’s no where near close to coming close to B
August 13th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
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im guessing you went with A.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
You got it!!!
August 13th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
im saying B. he does have a supporting cast around him.. it might end up hurting this team this year putting emphasis on the dhb train, so yeah i think hue-jack forces enough passes his way to please al and he ends up getting around 40 or so receptions…
August 13th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Oh an print that.
Ya know something? Cuz I’m a die hard raider fan thru an thru. I hope this cat proved me wrong.
I doubt it tho
August 13th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Saying Moore should be a starting WR at this point is pretty reckless. What has he shown at this point that DHB hasn’t. DHB has been having a good camp too since he came back, not to mention he’s played actual football in the regular season.
Not saying I don’t love Moore but lets not just start anointing kids right out the gate because of a few practices and a preseason game.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
not a dhb fan here by the way.. i just think hue-jack will give ol al an “i told you so” attitude come season end and the whole dhb experiament will trash our offense..
August 13th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
I just don’t see him making that many. You would have to have caught at least 20 by now to be looking at doubling yo number
August 13th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
i want to make this clear as well.. if dhb comes out this season with 50 or so receptions and 600-700 yds and a few tds, i dont even want to hear I TOLD YOU SO because honestly, when you look at a good wr stats for one season it usually looks like 75-100 receptions 1000-1250 yds and 10 or more tds.. dhb will never reach those kind of stats so he will never be a truely good nfl wr..
August 13th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
An u have to target the guy to get him plays. An contrary to hue Jack sayin QB’s have confidence in him,I beg to differ.
But who the f$$k am I
August 13th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
im still effin EXCITED to see taiwan jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 13th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
I agree JRaider
August 13th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
TJones is my MUP player pick this YR
August 13th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
i think he will end up being the steal of this years draft.. just watch some youtube videos of this kid, he can flat out fly!
August 13th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Is he your MUP pick too
August 13th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
my MUP is barksdale.. to easy man, no way barnes can stay the starter ahead of this young beast.. barksdale definitly held his own against the cardinals ….
August 13th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
t jones has to get ahead of dmc and bush to make a huge impact.. barksdale just has to prove hes better than barnes..
August 13th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
[...] his knee, and Hue Jackson said the sometimes healthy Oakland Raider is week-to-week. According to Steve Corkran Jackson went onto say that he was being extra cautious given with Schilens given his injury [...]
August 13th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Tjones will get his chance. Our backs have had some games off each yr due to injury
August 13th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
i agree with that guy! chaz is really honestly made of blown glass in the shape of a football star..
August 13th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
i wouldnt mind seeing him in place of an injured dmc (very similar skill set) it would be like dmc never got hurt..
August 13th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
He isn’t costing us the money. So let’s try an stick it out. I’m thinking Davis feels this way
August 13th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
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talking about tjones
August 13th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
goodnight raider nation… goodnight al davis, sweet dreams old man..
August 13th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Get Chaz some HGH…
August 13th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
anyone bummed about a first preseason game is a lunatic. there is plenty of young talent and the coaches there to extract the best in them. less injuries and this team will compete for the west. there isn’t a team in the division that is clearly better. sure there are things that need to get sorted out and they will. anyone predicting doom and gloom already needs to sack up.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Good point was made about our third preseason game against Dree Breez and the Saints. It should be a good game to gage the progress of our defensive backs. We’ll have 8 days to prepare for them after the 49er game and we’ll be at home.
Our final game against Seattle will be interesting, as we’ll be playing against Tom Cable, Zack Miller and Mr offsides, Robert Gallery! Will Cable know exactly what we’re going to be doing, just like Gruden knew during our Super Bowl loss to Tampa?
August 13th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
Moore just keeps making plays in practice. What will it take to test this man as the starter? Where’s the press release from Big Al proclaiming him as a great player? What a find if this cat turns out to be the real deal.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Our final game against Seattle will be interesting, as we’ll be playing against Tom Cable, Zack Miller and Mr offsides, Robert Gallery! Will Cable know exactly what we’re going to be doing, just like Gruden knew during our Super Bowl loss to Tampa?
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You’re giving Cable too much credit. He’s not that smart. Besides, it wasn’t his offense to begin with. Unlike with Gruden.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Cwood98…Not so fast there. I dislike the dischargers as much as most of you, but, honestly, we were lucky to win both games against them last year. Blocked punts and fumbles and interceptions. It’s not going to happen again. I hope it does, I’ll pray it does, but both games against them will be tough. We’ll win our division, and I’m not sweating Denver or KC (even though KC did pretty good last year). But I see a split with the dischargers and I can live with that. They’re going to be a good team (I hate to say) and though I dislike Rivers, the dude can pass and he can play under pressure. He’s a contender.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
I love how people are treating preseason like it means so much. Didn’t we go 4-0 in the preseason only to go 2-14? Preseason doesn’t mean jack as to how we’ll do in the regular season. It’s just a way for backups to jostle for roster spots. Even the little bit of the starters you see in the beginning isn’t really anything to go off of. People need to wake up.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Rivers is easily the best QB in the division, though I can’t stand that prick.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Try Some Reality:
I agree with you, I was just making a conversational comment. Cable isn’t Gruden by any means. Hell, Al was able to get two first round drafts for him, but lost the following Super Bowl. If Al keeps Gruden when he had the change to extend his contract, we may have won two Super Bowls. Ya, Cable sucks…he’s a line coach and nothing more.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
That’s right Kamikaze. 4-0 in preseason under Art Shell. Lot of good it did. Worst Raider team I’ve ever seen. What a disaster.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Very true Hagar and I agree. I think 2 SuperBowls would have been a real possibility if we kept him.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
The best weapon we have going against the dischargers is Norv Turner. He’s over rated and he’s been a loser all his life. He has no rapor with his players, he keeps them at a distance and interacts with them through his assistant coaches. As a result, he’ll never get the best out of his players. Maybe good efforts, but not maximum. Norv and the dischargers are starting to sink and will continue…it’s Norv pattern.
August 13th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Haha, good call Hagar. Yeah, Norv has already botched an excellent opportunity to win a title (when LT was ripping it up). It’s over for him. Still a tough team but they’re not going anywhere.
August 14th, 2011 at 12:02 am
42.Tricky70390 Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
It’s really sad on the part of Chaz because you rarely find a receiver of his size (6′5″). speed. and ball skills. Not in the 7th round, you just don’t.
What I’m afraid of though is that he has one healthy, breakout season, and then Al does something stupid like lock him up with a bloated contract…You KNOW it’s going to happen
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I absolutely know that will NOT happen becuz Chaz will NEVER be healthy enough to get through a complete season, no less a break out one.
This guy can’t even survive the FIRST HIT of preseason without crying his way back to the bench.
All hype and NOTHING to show for it.
Most fragile player i’ve ever seen. I’m sick of hearing about his potential. Screw his potential and his 6′5 blah blah blah. Nobody knows if he’d be good or not. He’s never proven jack squat except that he’s and injury prone ‘NEVER HAS BEEN’.
We’ve been making fun of him on this blog for 3 yrs. already becuz he is constantly injured and then the first time he gets hit he goes down AGAIN??? He’s done nothing. He’s proven nothing and he NEVER will.
GET RID OF HIS BROKEN AZZ!
August 14th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Art Shell, who we all loved so dearly, was and always will be a Raiders great, especially as a player. His first (5) years as a head coach were OK. Not good but not too bad either. However, Art Shell was out in “la la land” when he picked up his offensive coordinator, his second time at being a head coach. I can’t even remember his name, all I remember is that he had been out of football for about 7 or 8 years and he was running a bed and breakfast in Utah or Idaho or Iowa, who knows. What a nightmare that year was 2-14 and we were the laughing stock of the nation. I don’t know how I ever survived that year?
August 14th, 2011 at 12:02 am
really hope Chaz comes back Think he is our best WR when healthy he was having a good camp. Watch the play he got hurt on Cheap Shot By Joey Porter also several key players out through out the leauge with similar injuries he should be ready for start of year if only a sprain.
August 14th, 2011 at 12:03 am
So according to the above list, Bruce Campbell was at practice today?
August 14th, 2011 at 12:03 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
JB – The issue with that lineup is Wiz has not been getting reps at LG. He has been getting reps at RG & C. In college he played C & RG.
To my recollection Heyer is getting reps at LT (2nd team), LG (1st team) and now RT (1st team). No reps at RG.
Maybe switch Heyer and Wiz in your lineup?
I’ll be interested in seeing Heyer & Campbell at RT. Heck I just want to see Campbell on the field!
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Right you are. Swap LIL Wiz & Heyer to RG & LG respectively. That should work well. I too would like to see what BCampbell brings to the table. I wonder how BCampbell would be on the other side of the LOS? He’s got the size to step in at DT. He obviously has the strength. JHenderson is a spot player at best. Just thinking.
August 14th, 2011 at 12:04 am
T, Jones is the one who needs to get Practice he is a rook no OTA’s or mini camps
August 14th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
BLTN Raiders notes:: Cork and I talked with Veldheer’s dad (also met his mom). Reads blog religiously. Assume he’s not a `comments’ nutcase.
August 14th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Try some-I agree with your Rivers assesment. He is talented and generally makessmart decisions with the ball. However, I really hate the s.o.b.. One of my most hated players in the NFL. But he is a damn good QB. No dought.
August 14th, 2011 at 12:09 am
*doubt*
August 14th, 2011 at 12:10 am
Terrapin Your #30 post is right about DVD it’s ridiculous the kid is going to be great he will be the next great Raider corner.
August 14th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Gerard…hard to argue against your take. Speaking for myself, I believe I’ve buried my head in the sand when it comes to Chaz. The guy has a great demeanor, carries himself professionally, doesn’t brag or talk trash and as you mentioned he has all the attributes and tools to be a great WR. I’ve always liked him and wanted him to suceed, for himself and for our Raiders.
But there comes a time, like now, that “reality” has to take over. If he’s not playing in the Denver game and if he’s not producing, then I believe Hue will have to cut the dude.
August 14th, 2011 at 1:23 am
r8dercain Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Y’all get off DHB n$$tsack. Let’s wait an see HOW MUCH is he used an if he can be consistent. One nice play does not a man make.
I still say phooey cut the guy!!
Or lower his contract to meet his play.
Still hasn’t impressed me. Look guys if your good u at least look good in practice.
I mean look at DMoore make fluid catches. Looks like he was born doing a seam route.
Fluid very fluid. DHB looks like he’s fighting himself from his lack there of
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I aint gettin off his nutsack dawg… and let me tell you, there is room for you up on here also… straight comfortable.. i mean, you aready visualizing them so why not hop on?
August 14th, 2011 at 1:27 am
but bring some stickum cuz he shaves
August 14th, 2011 at 2:04 am
It’s gonna be a long season.Schillens already hurt. Just cut the useless weakling.How can Hue be “more careful”?The guy is babied beyond belief ,catches no grief, or anything else.He makes me sick, he was sent here to torture us.Schillens, please retire.You are useless here, but mgmt. is too stupid to read the writing on the wall,which is a tag that says “Never gonna do it”.
August 14th, 2011 at 5:38 am
One preseason game into a preseason shortened by a lockout…no reason to get all worried
And down…. Let it playout.. We can’t control it anyway… And I’ve got faith in Coach Jackson … Lots of things can and will happen before that first game aginst the Donkeys on sept 12….
August 14th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Watched bungles & lions, gradkowski looked terrible!!!! Lol @ not being able to beat out noodle armed Dalton
August 14th, 2011 at 6:51 am
J-Raider Says:
August 13th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
im gonna go ahead and make a poll…
how many receptions/yards/tds will dhb get this season?
B. 36-50 rec/ 451-650 yds/ 4-6 tds
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Interesting note: Every single AFC West team lost their first pre-season game.
On our CBs, right now I think our 3rd best CB on the roster is Sterling Moore. I don’t know enough about him to know, but from what I’ve seen he seems the most comfortable out there and productive. I hope he makes the team over McF and Ware.
I’m sure they’re not going to cut DVD or Chewy, so it’ll have to be the rookies from last year who don’t make it if they keep playing so poorly.
August 14th, 2011 at 6:52 am
The thing about Schillens is that the most games he’s played in a season is 8. But in those 8 games, I think he had more catches and yards than DHB in 2 full seasons.
August 14th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Campbell’s a decent stop gap, but we have to draft a real franchise QB.
August 14th, 2011 at 6:56 am
Actually, it’s not interesting. Pre season means absolutely nothing.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:12 am
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
BLTN Raiders notes: Way too early to panic on Van Dyke, but as of now, your slot corner is Huff, with Branch and Brown safeties.
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Good to see Hue and the coaching staff agree with me.
DVD is not ready to be on the field (at least yet) in the slot in crucial 3rd down situations.
Hopefully, by the end of the year.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Even Fitzgerald has some postgame advice.
“After the game, he told me I had great coverage, but just to attack the ball,” Van Dyke said. “He gave me some good pointers.”
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The EXACT SAME THING I was saying all yesterday, and people felt the need to roast me over it.
Ball-skills, attacking the ball. Biggest area of skill lacking with DVD, and may be the most important skill of a DB.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
BLTN Raiders notes: Way too early to panic on Van Dyke, but as of now, your slot corner is Huff, with Branch and Brown safeties.
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I brought this up yesterday as well. After watching these young cb’s play thur, having Huff play 3rd cb in nickel packages is a no brainer. Huff plays well at either spot, so good call having him in as a 3rd corner on occassion.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:31 am
I was watching that Cheifs/Bucs game friday night and the cheifs couldn’t get anything going their way. I know it’s early but, either Tampa is legit or the Cheifs flat out regressed. Either way i had an ice cold drink and a huge smile on my face.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:36 am
G’morning fellas.
‘Sup Vegas. Think you’re being a lil harsh with DVD’s first game. That deep pass to Fitz, he had damn good coverage. Yeah it woulda been nice if he’d batted it away..but that was a nice throw and an even better catch by one of the league’s elites. They tried the same route again, and he had it blanketed.
Yes, that attempted..lol…tackle on Beanie Wells was pretty weak. That’s the knock on DVD. He’s too slender. Defenitely needs some work in the weight room.
they say he’s supposed to be slender. I thought he looked like a good sized kid. Must’ve been those HUGE shoulder pads he was sportin. lol. Looked like a MLB’s.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Deja Vu,
I watching some of the Dallas v Denver game on NFLN. Felix Jones was gashing em on inside runs and screen passes. Denver’s tackling was atrocious.
I couldn’t help but think…My Gawd, a healthy (hopefully) DMac will have a field day against that Donkey defense on Monday night.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:51 am
Still too soon to consider the “Marcus Allen Curse”?
How many years was Ruth removed from Boston before baseball writers started calling their championship dry run the Ruth curse? Probably less than 28.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:51 am
re-watching the game now. that third and two play with in the first quarter where Bush broke off for an 8 yard gain was straight bullying by our oline. Veldheer took out two guys on the play while Boss did an amazing job sealing off the d-end. Carlisle had a text book pull. Just Bully Baby!
August 14th, 2011 at 7:51 am
38.Thec07 Says:
May 1st, 2011 at 11:42 am
I can see moore starting, i like the way he catches the ball, and makes great adjustments…Best pick of our draft from a value/rd in my opinion…
August 14th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Raiders all time leaders:
QB: Stabler
RB: Marcus Allen
WR: Tim Brown
As much as Al wishes it read LaMonica, Bo Jackson, Cliff Branch….it just doesn’t, baby.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:55 am
I couldn’t help but think…My Gawd, a healthy (hopefully) DMac will have a field day against that Donkey defense on Monday night.
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They had better hoped their defense improves from last year. Raiders offense is better this year, hanging another 40 plus on them is very possible….
August 14th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Carlisle with a pancake block on the screen. Sammy semi-missed the guy first then Carlisle came in a finished him off…Bam! Even crazier is that Carlisle didn’t even celebrate…he just got up and walked back to the oline like nuthin. love that ish.
August 14th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Carlisle didn’t even celebrate…he just got up and walked back to the oline like nuthin
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Thats how it should B…Dont like that celebration stuff on one play…
August 14th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Buckeye,
I wasn’t able to see any of the Denver/Dallas game. You’re right…. If Felix can light it up, i’m sure Dmac and Bush will have a great game!
I hope Dmac can accomplish his personal goals set for himself and exceed his production from last year.
Can’t wait for the Monday night opener!
August 14th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Loper is our weak spot right now other than Barnes. Heyer looks good though, so hopefully he can shake off that boo-boo (per his tweet) of his and claim a spot on the oline (either LG or RT). lil Wizzle looks good too. based on all the reports from the comments on this blog, i thought lil wiz would look like a midget. he looks bigger than Sammy, Loper and Carlisle.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:04 am
‘Sup Vegas. Think you’re being a lil harsh with DVD’s first game.
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Maybe, I don’t think (obviously) that one game makes or breaks things.
I just think the MNF opener is like a Super Bowl for this team. We have to win to get things moving towards winning the division. A loss will be catastrophic towards that goal, IMO.
So we need to know who our #3 DB is going to be, especially if Orton is starting, becuase they will spread the field and focus on matchups.
After what I saw, DVD is not ready to be on the field in the biggest moments of our biggest game in maybe 8 years. Not ready in less than a month at least.
But than……he can make a huge jump this week and I can change my whole viewpoint, lol.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:08 am
Season opener is like the Super Bowl for the Raiders. Hmmm. Seems someone else here is known for saying that. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, JFB.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Veldheer is a frakken monster. completely dominating his side of the line. the d-end seems to have given up on his pass rush…just kinda goin thru the motions. Man…he and Heyer are controlling that side. poor Calais Campbell…
August 14th, 2011 at 8:15 am
1. Veldheer – Heyer – Samson – Carlisle – Barnes
or
2. Veldheer – Heyer – Samson – Carlisle – Barksdale
or
3. Veldheer – Wiz – Samson – Carlisle – Heyer
it has to be one of these lineups. my choice is #2 with Barksdale joining the lineup a little later in the season replacing Barnes.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Expect the Raiders to use a lot of basic man coverage, too. Al and Fox no doubt quibbled over variety in the defensive scheme. I don’t think Al’s ready to concede his argument yet. And I don’t think Fox is dumb enough not to anticipate it and capitalize on Al’s stubbornness. It’s going to take us no time at all to miss Nnamdi.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:18 am
BTW, sorry to join the party so late on the game analysis. been a crazy week. If the o-line analysis has already been beat to death…my bad
August 14th, 2011 at 8:23 am
A bunch of different scenarios could play out at this point:
1. Veldheer – Heyer – Satele – Wisniewski – Barksdale
2. Veldheer – Wisniewski – Satele – Carlisle – Barksdale
3. Veldheer – Wisniewski – Satele – Carlisle – Heyer
4. Veldheer – Loper – Wisniewski – Carlisle – Heyer
5. Veldheer – Heyer – Wisniewski – Carlisle – Barksdale
… and of course, Barnes could still be in the mix for the RT spot as well.
I don’t envision any scenario where Wisniewski doesn’t start somewhere. The coaching staff seems to want to get him in the mix somewhere.
I see the first of the above scenarios as the most intriguing. Heyer in particular could be a VERY good LG. Not a dominant tackle – struggles in pass protection – but could be dominant on the inside.
The second and third of the above scenarios I see as the most likely ways for it to play out by the time the season opener rolls around. Carlisle and Satele are veterans, and I think the coaching staff will be more inclined to play it safe and give starting jobs to the guys with the most experience rather than tinkering too much with the lineup.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:24 am
RIDER15 Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Loper is our weak spot right now other than Barnes. Heyer looks good though, so hopefully he can shake off that boo-boo (per his tweet) of his and claim a spot on the oline (either LG or RT). lil Wizzle looks good too. based on all the reports from the comments on this blog, i thought lil wiz would look like a midget. he looks bigger than Sammy, Loper and Carlisle.
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Yep. Heyer looked good out there at LG. He was getting some serious push on Calias Campbell. And his pass blocking was pretty solid. His run blocking and pass blocking was better than Loper as I recall.
Wiz will eventually win out over Satele. What I have said about Wiz is he needs to stay on his feet – balance – when having to snap and pass block most notably. He will get it. It may take some body changes, but he could be a solid center for us for 8 years or more imo. He plays like his uncle getting in an extra hit or push in on many plays. Dude is feisty.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:25 am
DVD will be fine. He clearly showed the most important skill, the ability to cover. He can improve his technique in terms of ball skills in time. Let’s see how he performs the rest of the preseason before you write him off. My guess is that he will progress throughout his first pro year, & by next year could even challenge for a starting spot.
Sterling Moore also stood out, he conversely did flash his ability to play the ball. Im glad woodson is teaching the young guys to be aggressive when the ball is in flight.
I’m eager to see Chekwa as well, he was a fantastic player in college. I think he will be an upgrade over McFadden & ware.
Al has it set up where over the next 2-3 years our young players will grow into a great team. This team us stocked with exceptional young talent. When they mature they will dominate.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Expect the Raiders to use a lot of basic man coverage, too.
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Raiders? Man coverage? Nooooo… surely you jest…
August 14th, 2011 at 8:28 am
One I forgot. A definite possibility:
Veldheer – Heyer – Wisniewski – Carlisle – Barksdale
Still, it’s looking more and more like Wisniewski will start out at OG and Satele will hold onto the starting C job for the time being.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am
cut Schilens
August 14th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Young American..
isnt your post 168 the same as #5 on your list in post 164??
August 14th, 2011 at 8:32 am
I don’t see Wiz starting at LG. I think he only briefly practiced there. Most of his practice time (and game experiences) have come at C & RG.
All (I think) I know at this point is Veldheer & Heyer will start on the OL. With Satele being the fav right now at C.
So lets say Veldheer-Heyer-Satele
What makes this thing so fluid is Bruce Campbell just starte practicing. I don’t want to discount him at all. That guy is a beast.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:34 am
There has been some confusion on how many games Chaz Schilens missed the last two years. An article in this mornings newspaper about Schilens injury says he missed (8) games in 2009 and (11) games in 2010 and that Hue has him on a week to week status.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:37 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Young American..
isnt your post 168 the same as #5 on your list in post 164??
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Oops, my bad. Too tired to copy and paste, apparently. I meant:
Veldheer – Heyer – Satele – Carlisle – Barksdale
August 14th, 2011 at 8:39 am
Barnes seems to be getting protected by coach Hue. coach put him right back on the 1st team and never singled him out…actually he commented that Barnes had zero infractions at practice and “another” player had 3 penalties. To me, that means he is a starter for now. I too would love to see Wiz take the reigns and dominate from day one, but he is not better than Sammy, Carlisle or Heyer right now (Heyer makes a much better OG that OT).
our best and most realistic oline right now is:
Veldheer – Heyer – Samson – Carlisle – Barnes
within a few weeks into the season, we should start rotating Wiz and Barksdale in. By late this season and the beginning of next year, I 100% agree that our line will feature Wiz/Barksdale/Veldheer (and hopefully BC).
August 14th, 2011 at 8:41 am
YoungAmerican Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 8:37 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Young American..
isnt your post 168 the same as #5 on your list in post 164??
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Oops, my bad. Too tired to copy and paste, apparently. I meant:
Veldheer – Heyer – Satele – Carlisle – Barksdale
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August 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Raider15..
Barnes!! just keeping him on the 53man roster is ludicrous.. he should be cut faster than Schilens..
August 14th, 2011 at 8:45 am
just re-watched that Bush 8 yard gain on 3rd and 2 again. Barnes’ man is the guy who made the tackle! Barnes initially got the position and the leverage but then just stopped blocking and his man made the play from the other side of the field. every other lineman held their blocks 8 yards up field (and looked good doing so)! even DHB was getting dirty on the play. Nick Miller’s guy was basically running free as well though. Barnes needs to stay on his man. Other than that play and the false starts, he held his own.
I’m about to watch the 2nd stringers now.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Im watching a Soccergame on TV, a player has been playing the last 15min with a dislocated arm.. ouch!
August 14th, 2011 at 8:51 am
After what I saw, DVD is not ready to be on the field in the biggest moments of our biggest game in maybe 8 years. Not ready in less than a month at least.
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I don’t think anybody’s projecting the kid to be a Day 1 starter. That was pointed out several times after the draft. He needs to get stronger and play at this level for awhile in order to be ready. Playing corner for the Raiders is not easy. That sounds cliche, but it’s true.
He has the tools to be good, and flashed some really nice ability against Fitzgerald. Give the kid some time and coaching and he’ll be fine.
I’d be worried if we had to rely on a rookie corner to start. As it is, we have two veterans. We also have enough guys at safety that Huff can play the nickel if need be.
August 14th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Barnes!! just keeping him on the 53man roster is ludicrous.. he should be cut faster than Schilens..
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A little extreme…haha.
at minimum, Barnes is a luxury 6/7th lineman and 4th TE for us. Cutting him would be foolish in our position. Who do you want on the roster over him? Seth Wand, Alen Pelch, Roy Schuening??? We can’t depend on 1st and 2nd year players at such a critical position if we have AFC West Championship aspirations. Our young guys will be prone to ups and downs (slumps/learning curves, etc…).
August 14th, 2011 at 8:56 am
raider15..
you said it yourself… Barnes doesnt do his job, he never finish it.. and then there is all the false starts..
why keep him when he is rubbish? we need to stop this scholarship mentality..
maybe we need a better man, maybe we dont have him, but if a player isnt doing his job, throw him over board..
August 14th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Veldheer is a lock. After that it gets murky.
Heyer and Wiz are making a push for one of the inside spots. But it’s going to be difficult to unseat Carlisle and Satele, who provide a reliable veteran presence.
It seems that the coaching staff believes Satele and Carlisle to be two of their best five linemen. That leaves Wiz, Heyer, Campbell and Loper all theoretically competing for a single starting role unless one of them clearly outperforms one of the incumbent starters.
RT is also a tossup. Heyer, Barksdale, and Barnes could all potentially grab a role. Starting a rookie isn’t completely ideal, but Heyer and Barnes haven’t done a whole lot to establish themselves at RT either.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:04 am
I don’t see anyone on the roster being a clear-cut upgrade over Carlisle at this point. It seems like the coaching staff would rather play it safe and start a veteran there than shake things up too much.
Wisniewski is very talented and the coaching staff loves him… but who does he unseat? Satele? Carlisle? Does he beat out Heyer for LG?
The way it’s looking now, the only starting spot Wiz is truly in competition for is at C.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Do we need to upgrade our RT position from Barnes? Yes! Do we need to cut barnes? No! He is under a one year contract for close to minimum with no better replacements (at least this season) on the horizon. Keeping him over Seth Wand, Alen Pelc, Roy Schuening is the right decision. Hue and Wiz1.0 need to coach him up to make sure he holds his frakken blocks and keeps his head in the game. But he is a proven lineman (50 or starts at LT for Jacksonville and valuable time for us on a dominant running team last year). Barksdale will beat him out at some point this year.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:12 am
I don’t see anyone on the roster being a clear-cut upgrade over Carlisle at this point. It seems like the coaching staff would rather play it safe and start a veteran there than shake things up too much.
Wisniewski is very talented and the coaching staff loves him… but who does he unseat? Satele? Carlisle? Does he beat out Heyer for LG?
The way it’s looking now, the only starting spot Wiz is truly in competition for is at C.
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Agree 100%.
it seems the only true competition heading into game 1 is for the LG position b/w Loper and Heyer. Loper is only in the mix cuz of the stupid contract we gave him. It really should be b/w Wiz and Heyer. and if Heyer were to lose, he should go over to RT to keep the spot warm for Barksdale.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Barnes is on thin ice…If the rook can hold it down Barnes becomes the backup…
August 14th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Cant wait to see BCAMP in the mix…
August 14th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Look, Al Davis believes in bringing along developmental players…read raw talent…DVD won’t be ready to contribute as a starter for at least 3 to 5 years. DHB and Bruce Campbell are similiar players…DHB has to start showing something by next year and Bruce is still on a five year plan.
So relax on those guys. I chuckle when you guys expect these rookies and raw talent to bust out of the gate on fire. They are not ready. Your starters at CB are Routt and CJ…receivers are deep so if DHB isn’t ready no big deal and Bruce Campbell is a non-issue.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Chaz Schilens hurt again….I hate how his day to day injuries, turn into week to week and then month to month.
I still think he’s the breakout MUP…
Also if Schilens don’t come through…they got Ford, Moore and Murphy
August 14th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Veldheer – Heyer/Loper – Wisniewski/Satele – Carlisle/Wisniewski – Barksdale/Barnes/Heyer
It’ll be interesting to see where Wylie and Wiz put Campbell once he’s full-speed. Right now it’s too early to say he’s truly competing for any spot. He’s missed some valuable time.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:28 am
The o-line shows much promise. But we havnt seen enough of b Campbell to declare him a game time beast. He hasn’t played a down in regular season.
But veldeheer-heyer-satele-wiz-barksdale
There’s yo opening night o-line.
Print that!!!
August 14th, 2011 at 9:30 am
DVD might see playing time in some packages, but I don’t see him being a steady contributor until his 3rd season at earliest. Solid physical tools, love his potential… but he needs to become a film room and weight room junkie.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Post 188
I gotta agree with u
August 14th, 2011 at 9:32 am
I like how some of you guys get spun up over Chaz. He is a injury project who will never play a fulll season so relax….
August 14th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Cable clearly had his favorites at oline…Coach Jackson will play the best 5 guys…
What do we know about BCAMP nothing…
Will he be a3-5 year project doubt it…his contract is not for 5 years. Moreover, the wa the team is being built now you perform or you are out plain and simple..
I trust Coach Jackson and his staff 100%, not the blog semi’s….
August 14th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Thec07,
Chaz still represents the best hope of that consistent big body possession receiver. The other guys have not demonstrated an ability to do that.
The pass game has clearly missed that type of possession receiver.
DHB has demonstrated anything reliable yet on the field.
J. Ford is a good deep threat receiver…but is he the possession guy…the 3rd down guy over the middle?
Murphy drops too many passess although he does make some plays.
Moore is a rookie who hasn’t played a regular season game yet
August 14th, 2011 at 9:38 am
So relax on those guys. I chuckle when you guys expect these rookies and raw
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You chose Chaz as your MUP…You must have a sense of humour…
August 14th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Thec07,
Bruce was a RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW freeekn talent coming in to this thing. Like DHB, he left school early and has not played a lot of football. His college game left a lot to be desired and too much reliance on athleticism and not too much as a refined lineman. He has to learn those things now.
To expect anything more than spot duty the next couple of years is optimistic.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:41 am
196.SnB Production Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Thec07,
Chaz still represents the best hope of that consistent big body possession receiver. The other guys have not demonstrated an ability to do that.
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I will disagree…Chaz is a injury project and will never really contribute a full season…I dont expect him too…Time to move on, and start the best HEALTHY WR’s…
August 14th, 2011 at 9:42 am
DVD, or whoever are #3 DB is going to be, obviously won’t be starting (unless they slide over Huff and have Brown rotate at FS) but they will be on the field plenty.
And the thing with #3 DB’s, is that they are usually on the field on the biggest of plays. 3rd downs, end of half/end of game scenarios, where the opposing offense has 3-4 wides in the game.
I am concerned with whoever our #3 is to start the year. DVD can cover, and little else right now. McFadden can’t even do that, and Ware is probably too physically limited to make it happen.
Who knows, maybe it will be Sterling Moore.
I am just thinking of ways Denver might be able to beat us, because if we can limit these other areas, no way, IMO, do they have the horses (pun please) to beat us.
But if they can isolate Eddie Royal on McFadden/DVD that could be troublesome. Same with a RT who false starts in front of 15K home fans (hard to imagine that improving in front of 70K road fans) and stalls drives.
Got to clean that ish up, and take it to the Donkeys!!!
August 14th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Thec07,
If you think guys like DVD, Bruce Campbell and W. McFadden are going to be key contributors…then I can feel confident that Chaz will come through.
This is Chaz’s 4th season….still within that 5 year timeframe to show something
August 14th, 2011 at 9:43 am
To expect anything more than spot duty the next couple of years is optimistic.
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Thats your opinion and you are entitled however, as stated lets see what coach Jackson and his staff thinks…The team is moving away from developmental projects and giving guys several years to develop.
As stated I trust the coaching staff, not the blog opinion.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:44 am
JFB,
Going into this season its all about the pass rush. We all knew that going in.
So if the Front 7 aren’t at least harassing the QB then yes..the defense will get torched.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:46 am
201.SnB Production Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Thec07,
If you think guys like DVD, Bruce Campbell and W. McFadden are going to be key contributors…then I can feel confident that Chaz will come through.
This is Chaz’s 4th season….still within that 5 year timeframe to show something
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Chaz we know wont ever be able to stay on a field FACT.
Your opinion on BCAMP is conjecture or opinion at this point as no one knows but our coaching staff….With all the changes that we made and the Olinmen we picked up, if the coaching staff thought he cound not contribute he would be gone plain and simple…
August 14th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Moore is a rookie who hasn’t played a regular season game yet
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38.Thec07 Says:
May 1st, 2011 at 11:42 am
I can see moore starting, i like the way he catches the ball, and makes great adjustments…Best pick of our draft from a value/rd in my opinion…
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Donald Royal started as a rookie for denver. DMOORE is better than royal…
DMOORE > CHAZ
August 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Eddie Royal, not Donald Royal….
August 14th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Trade for Asante Samuel Eagles are looking to deal
August 14th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Trade for Asante Samuel Eagles are looking to deal
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Terrible, terrible scheme fit. Think DeAngelo Hall all over again. Pure zone corner. Can’t press. Can’t play man. Won’t tackle.
August 14th, 2011 at 9:59 am
The only reason barnes sticks is because he can line up a tight end. that way we can carry two real tight ends and barnes as an extra blocker and occasional target for soup. he aint going to start as a tackle.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Barnes sticks because he can play both OT positions and is more than adequate depth. It won’t have anything to do with his ability to play TE (the Raiders will carry Boss, Myers, and Ausberry on the roster). And he certainly won’t lose his job because of a few false starts in the first preseason game.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:04 am
So if the Front 7 aren’t at least harassing the QB then yes..the defense will get torched.
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In all fairness, this is true for a majority of NFL teams. Especially when facing the top tier passing teams in the league.
My issue I guess, is with the level of “torchness”. Are they just going to give up a lot of passing yards, but get a pick or two, and find ways to get off the field. We can live with that, if the offense is firing in most cylinders.
Or are they going to get torched to the point that we have to start tossing the rock around to match the 30+ our pass D surrendered?
Let’s not forget our safety play in all of this as well. Huff is decent, getting better, but probably not great. Branch was borderline awful at times in coverage last year, and MM34 is not a cover guy either.
Pass D will be helped greatly by our rushing attack and front 7.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Asante Samuel won’t fit in with the Raiders scheme. He’s a zone corner….plays off his man like deAngelo Hall.
Horrible fit.
Stick with the guys on the roster….
My question is this…Will Sanford Routt shadow the #1 receiver? Or will the strategy be the same BS where Nnamdi just stayed stuck on his side of the field cover #3 and #4 receivers?
August 14th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Just Fire Baby,
The Raiders gave up almost 30 pass TDs last year, so the secondary was garbage anyway.
They are going to give up yards and they are going to give up TDs.
Hopefully, they will grab about a dozen INTs for the year which hopefully helps decide a couple of games in the Raiders favor.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Khalif Barnes….oh well…maybe just a bad game
August 14th, 2011 at 10:08 am
My question is this…Will Sanford Routt shadow the #1 receiver? Or will the strategy be the same BS where Nnamdi just stayed stuck on his side of the field cover #3 and #4 receivers?
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I think the best thing (maybe the only good thing) about Nnamdi leaving is that now Routt won’t have to cover the #1 so often. He won’t get attacked as much either.
In spite of Routt’s paycheck, the Raiders don’t have a guy of Revis or Nnamdi’s caliber on the roster anymore. No point in moving Routt around just so he can get tested constantly.
If Routt doesn’t see 100 passes coming his way again this season, it can only be a good thing.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:10 am
YA,
I don’t agree with your conclusion on Routt. He is hte best CB on this team by far…he has to shutdown the opponents number 1.
Otherwise, what’s the point in paying the guy all that cash? Routt is better than CJ and the rooks. Who wants to see them get abused.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Our secondary will be tested more this year than in the past…Our front 7 are going to need to pressure the hell out of the OB…And Blitzing should be a staple…I dont want us sitting back and letting rivers, orton, cassell, brady sanchez dictating what we do…If we stay in attack mode we will be fine…
It all starts with the front 7 and the pressure they generate…
August 14th, 2011 at 10:16 am
DVD is not Charles Woodson (duh).
That being said, in Woodson’s first game, Andre Rison schooled Charles on an out-and-up.
Fitzgerald is a far better WR (bigger & stronger) than Rison, imo.
If Rison can school Charles, then DVD gets a pass, in my book, for now.
DVD was not burned, ran stride for stride and went up for it.
He may never be as good as Charles, but I’ll settle for Albert Lewis/Terry McDaniels level of play.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:16 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Khalif Barnes….oh well…maybe just a bad game
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how do you explain all the bad games in Jacksonville?
I tell ya, and I have since the talk of him joining us, this Guy does NOT have it..
I rather see a rookie get his leaning papers than see a Vet that continually cant end a play…
August 14th, 2011 at 10:18 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 10:10 am
YA,
I don’t agree with your conclusion on Routt. He is hte best CB on this team by far…he has to shutdown the opponents number 1.
Otherwise, what’s the point in paying the guy all that cash? Routt is better than CJ and the rooks. Who wants to see them get abused.
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Best CB on the team, maybe. Good enough to constantly face #1 WRs? No.
There was no point in paying him all that cash. Could have had a superior player in Johnathan Joseph for that money.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Barnes s%cks. He should NOT be starting.
Same with DHB. Moore should be starting.
Get Moore the ball in space. He has the ability to make people miss.
Skill starters should be Ford, Moore, Boss, and DMac.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:19 am
YA-
I am banking on the D-line to bail out the DBs during their growing pains.
Hard for a QB to complete a pass from the prone position.
Raiders D-line is Lethal.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:19 am
I tell ya, and I have since the talk of him joining us, this Guy does NOT have it..
I rather see a rookie get his leaning papers than see a Vet that continually cant end a play…
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Yep that should go for all positions on the field…Play the guys that give us a chance to win…
August 14th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 10:19 am
YA-
I am banking on the D-line to bail out the DBs during their growing pains.
Hard for a QB to complete a pass from the prone position.
Raiders D-line is Lethal.
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Agreed. Raiders’ pass rush needs to be as good, if not better than last season. With Houston coming into his second season and Shaughnessy being a full-time starter, I’d say that’s a real possibility.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:21 am
38.Thec07 Says:
May 1st, 2011 at 11:42 am
I can see moore starting, i like the way he catches the ball, and makes great adjustments…Best pick of our draft from a value/rd in my opinion…
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DMOORE will win RON, and be up for ROY….As predicted.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:22 am
3rd and short.
Raiders trot out a Three Tight End Set.
K. Barnes comes in as an extra tight end.
Flase start.
3rd and long.
I saw all last year.
It’s the same book, same story, same ending.
Practice squad at best.
Let UDFA from Anywhere University replace him.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Kudo’s to the Raiders player personnel dept…
Have done a solid job the last couple of seasons…
August 14th, 2011 at 10:23 am
DHB Ford and Murphy are going to get the start. If Chaz stays healthy he will be ahead of Moore too.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Moore could become a starter with solid play…but won’t be before week 4
August 14th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Pre-season, so what, until the 4th game. But, saw some same old same old. Makes you wonder.
Please no prevent, useless damn scheme.
Moore gonna be light years ahead of DHB.
Corners gonna be a big question.
JC will sharpen up. Need a strong ground attack to control the game and keep the D off the field (meaning cant be lopsided T.O.P.)
August 14th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 10:22 am
3rd and short.
Raiders trot out a Three Tight End Set.
K. Barnes comes in as an extra tight end.
Flase start.
3rd and long.
I saw all last year.
It’s the same book, same story, same ending.
Practice squad at best.
Let UDFA from Anywhere University replace him.
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Exactly. Its the some old story that scares me. But hopefully HueJack has something bigger and better in store.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Best Wr’s on this team;
1a. JFORD
1b. DMOORE
DMOORE should be a starter but he doesnt have to start. He wil get his throws and contribute much more than his draft rd suggest.
Coach Jackson will do the smart thing and play the best WR’s often iregardless of age or draft position.
Our QB also beleives in DMOORE…That 26 yard completion he could have hit the TE, he targetd DMOORE because the youngster makes plays….Period
August 14th, 2011 at 10:30 am
I remember when Heyer was on the Skins and I think played tackle and did a pretty good job. I would move him to RT and dump Barnes
August 14th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Thec,
I hear what you are saying. However, DHB is going to be given every opportunity to succeed this year and will be starting.
I don’t see Moore getting ahead of Ford on depth chart. All will get on the field though….
August 14th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Moore gonna be light years ahead of DHB.
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No doubt however,DHB will be a solid contributor…
August 14th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Not as concerned about the #3 DB in weeks 2 and 3. I like Fitzpatrick for the Bills, but they don’t have enough skill players to kill us. And Sanchez?? No concern there after we hit him in the mouth a few times.
But Orton and especially Brady? We need to have our #3 DB manning up, or those two QB’s will just pick on him time and again.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:32 am
BTW I was in Foxboro last week and saw the Pats practice. The stadium (practice) was full and the crowd was clapping and cheering when they completed passes in 1 to 1 passing drills.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:32 am
I know the sentiments in here about who should and who shouldn’t start but the coaches are there everyday allday they see who does what from a consistency standpoint. It’s more to the game than just the ability that seems obvious to fans and I know running routes and understanding what the context of the offense is will win jobs. You win jobs in practice you keep them in games. If a guy is doing the right thing from a consistency standpoint in practice they will start.
I know nyou cats have your favorites and so do I but no matter how flashy David Ausberry may be I know he’s not ready to start over Boss. He may make some huge contributions over the year but that doesn’t mean he should start. The same is true with DMoore because there’s more to the game than meets the fans eye.
Fans get way too caught up in who starts and who doesn’t especially in skill positions when the coaches see it in practice the guy will play and even start. Moore should definitely play IMO as far as starting I’lll leave that much to the coaches.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:34 am
234.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Thec,
I hear what you are saying. However, DHB is going to be given every opportunity to succeed this year and will be starting.
I don’t see Moore getting ahead of Ford on depth chart. All will get on the field though….
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I am ok with that as he will be making more plays this year than last….
We now have the WR’s to run 3 and 4 wide sets….
I guarantee they wil not stack the box like in years past…I will put money on it…
August 14th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
August 14th, 2011 at 10:16 am
DVD is not Charles Woodson (duh).
That being said, in Woodson’s first game, Andre Rison schooled Charles on an out-and-up.
Fitzgerald is a far better WR (bigger & stronger) than Rison, imo.
If Rison can school Charles, then DVD gets a pass, in my book, for now.
DVD was not burned, ran stride for stride and went up for it.
He may never be as good as Charles, but I’ll settle for Albert Lewis/Terry McDaniels level of play.
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LOL @ “I’ll settle”
settle for what?? the equivalent of a 5 time pro bowler and an 2 time all pro cornerback? That”settling”???
LOL he is a 3rd round pick (selected much higher than he should have been) that LOST HIS STARTING JOB IN COLLEGE…
You will settle for whatever you get LOL
August 14th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Thec07…good point about blitzing and pressure. The problem, and it always has been our problem, will Al let us blitz? Probably not. On a limited basis, maybe, and then only until we get burned…then Al’s style of play will take over. Always has and always will. Al does not like to blitz and pressure. That’s why he kept Rob (Mr. Prevent Defense Specialist) Ryan for 4 or 5 years. We love Al for the many good things he’s done, but there are parts of him, many of us hate, and his meddling with the defense and his dislike for blitzing is one of them.
August 14th, 2011 at 10:36 am
The Raiders have been drafting (or UFAs) great talents and coaching them up over the past few years; instead of being one of the major players in FA.
Across the board, most of the talent on this team is ‘Raider grown’ talent.
DMC, Reece, Veldeer, Murphy, Bey, Schilens, Ausberry and Moore of offense
Huff, Kelly, ShoNasty, Houston, RoMac, Goethel, Routt, Mitchell, Bryant et al
Drafted by the Raiders or picked up in UFA. The philosophy seemed to have changed (back).
August 14th, 2011 at 10:37 am
FA-
DEs and DTs are menacing, hands down.
J. Moss showed he can hold the edge against the run on a spetacular shed and tackle of the RB. Something T. Scott has yet to show.
Thec-D. Moore is polished. I had no clue who he was or what he brought. I haven’t seen moves like that since T. Brown.
August 14th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
GO LA RAIDERS!!!!
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August 14th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Im having a hard time finding any hope in the Raiders when Edwards out played both boller and cambell. Hue needs to pull his nose out of cambell’s butt and make him earn that spot!!! This is another below average team headed for another loosing season. Once again the Raider nation is sucking down the kool-aid. Ive lost all faith that Big Al knows what he is doing. The game has passed him by and he wont give up the reins.
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