Two fans shot at Candlestick Park, another fan detained by police
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, August 20th, 2011 at 11:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Two people who attended the Raiders-49ers game at Candlestick Park on Saturday night were shot, according to Sgt. Frank Harrell of the San Francisco Police Dept. Another fan who attended the game is being detained for questioning.
Word of the shootings spread in the press box soon after the game ended. Soon after I wrapped up the live chat and posted a blog entry, I found Sgt. Harrell near the entrance to Candlestick Park, just off Highway 101.
Sgt. Harrell said the first victim was found in the V section of the parking lot with “superficial facial wounds.” The other victim drove his pickup truck to just outside the main gate, hopped out, stumbled across the road and was treated for “two to four shots to the stomach.”
The second victim is in critical condition, according to Sgt. Harrell. That victim was wearing a white T-shirt that said: “F… you, Niners.” The suspect also was in Raiders attire, Sgt. Harrell said, and he was removed from a party bus.
Both shootings are being treated as separate incidents, though they might be related, Sgt. Harrell said.
The 49ers released the following statement:
“The San Francisco Police Department is investigating a shooting incident following Saturday’s NFL game between the San Francisco 49ers and Oakland Raiders outside Candlestick Park. No other information regarding the incident is available from the 49ers at this time.”
The Raiders have not released a statement.
For the most part, fans were well behaved inside the stadium. One prolonged fight broke out late in the game, with numerous punches exchanged between a handful of fans. A slew of police rushed to the scene and restored calm. The 49ers won the game 17-3.
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August 20th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
# Hagar the Horrible Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Amchair GM…wish it were that simple. And, yes, there’s always an example that you can turn around to fit your point. The truth is that these games do matter. At least to the good teams. It’s all about dominating, winning and developing that mind frame that you’re better than your opponents. That starts in preseason. It’s especially bad when you’re telling the media “all-week” that you want to win and that it’s important to you. Then, if you get blasted away, as we did tonite, then you’re in trouble, no matter how you want to down play it. We’re in trouble, we all saw the many weaknesses this evening and we have a long, long way to go. Hope we make it.
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It matters to me because I HATE the freakin FLAMING 49ers!
But in the larger scheme of things, it does not determine whether or not we are going to the Playoffs this season or not….
Using your logic, I guess Philly isn’t going to do anything this season either right? They got blasted 24-14.
New Orleans got rocked 27-14 so write them off, they’re going nowhere!
Indy lost 16-3…stick a fork in em they’re done!
Carolina lost 20-10 so they’re hopeless too!
See how ridiculous some of you guys sound.
All teams are going through the same thing….
Pre season wins are PYRITE aka FOOLS GOLD!
WE sucked today. Does it make me happy??? Hell No!
But am I panicking????? HELL NO.
I just want our guys to get healthy and lets go do this thing!
August 20th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
While we rant and rave on here and complain ,it is a shame some people have to take things to this extreme.
August 20th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Why dont we just talk about how sad and sorry walter mcfadden is… how jason campbell was hurt.. concussion? i hope not. Lets talk about our first team d getting toasted by alex smith…. OMG hope this is not a long season…. on the up side DHB made a few nice catches… and D more looks like a stud still… #77 nice int
August 21st, 2011 at 12:00 am
# Raider J Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
I watched OSU v. Wisc rebroadcast recently and Pryor’s passing game needs much work. If the Raiders get him, it wont be to start QB any time soon unless he’s a super fast learner. But hey, with our current QB roster, Pryor could sit or do some wildcat for a couple yrs. If he learns QB then good, if not then use his talents at a different position. I’d prefer 5th rd but I wouldn’t hate using a 3rd rd pick on him, especially with the expected compensatory picks for Nnamdi & Gallery
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I am a huge Badger fan, used to go to the games all the time. I watch Big 10 football, and that game Pryor had was probably one of his worst. Wisconsin was on a roll that day and really wanted to demolish Ohio State at home….and they did.
If we can get Pryor for a low pick, I am all for it. The whole point is to add talent to the team and let them complete for spots.
I mean, we did draft a kicker in the first round before….right?
August 21st, 2011 at 12:01 am
Saying the Eagles and the Raiders are about the same is quite a ridiculous comment.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:02 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
While we rant and rave on here and complain ,it is a shame some people have to take things to this extreme.
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Indeed Lefty, indeed.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:04 am
Well,I’ve vented for long enough.All I can say now is go Raiders.I hope these 1st two games aren’t any indication of what we’ll see when the real games start.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:10 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:01 am
Saying the Eagles and the Raiders are about the same is quite a ridiculous comment.
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Lefty you sound like a reporter who takes sound bites or portions of interviews to fit what YOU are trying to make it say.
First of all, I mentioned 4 TEAMS, but you ONLY singled out the Eagles.smh.
First of all, I never said that the Raiders and Philly are “about the same”.
You also conveniently left out New Orleans, Indy, or Carolina. The point I was making is that several “PLAYOFF” caliber teams had POOR performances, however that does not mean that all of a sudden they are not playoff contenders.
And as for Philly, yeah they look good on paper. It’s a good thing Football games are played on the football field and NOT on paper.
So sorry bruh, but it is YOU who appear ridiculous.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:12 am
*Meant to say SECOND…accidently cut and pasted the phrase “First of all” twice.
I know how anal retentive some of these fools in here are about grammar and syntax.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:18 am
Lefty12 whether you realize it or not both Aaron rodgers and Big Ben are the kind of QB’s I’m talking about. They are great passers yet the can hurt you with their feet. just because they don’t run 4.3’s is not it they know when to pull it down and run. same with Gannon and even Campbell. Brady, brees and Rivers are almost passe’ they’re still great players but teams want QB’s like Vick and Young.
I’m telling ya’ it’s no longer sit in the pocket and play from the pocket like Manning. ARod can move and grove he hurt Pitt several times with his feet and kept drives alive. Now you’ll see it taken to another level.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:23 am
When did carolina become a playoff team? Indy is missing most of their top players on o. Saints aren’t a bubble team like us trying to find out if they’re good.
49ers kicked our teeth in last season, we did NOTHING to get better, what did you expect?
August 21st, 2011 at 12:23 am
The fortyniners didn’t score a single point on our 1st team defense and you guys act like the world was coming to an end. LOL
They kept their 1st team offense in and our 1st team defense was long gone.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:24 am
Armchair,that comment was directed at J-Raider who on the previous post said the Raiders and the eagles were in the same boat.I did mention all 4 teams on the previous post.You must have not read the comments because they were made after this new post was posted.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:25 am
Well, someone has to bring it up:
Should Jason have a concussion and he is required to sit out a game, who starts, Boller or Edwards?
August 21st, 2011 at 12:28 am
# RaiderRetribution Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:25 am
Well, someone has to bring it up:
Should Jason have a concussion and he is required to sit out a game, who starts, Boller or Edwards?
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After tomorrow probably Pryor.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:28 am
Armchair,I’m not much of a wiz on this computer or I’d cut and paste the comments for you-I don’t know how.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:28 am
Priest, teams want qbs like vick and young instead of qbs like brady, brees, and manning? Goodness nothing you say ever makes sense and you’re the only one that doesn’t realize it.
Tell us again how awesome the raiders run defense will be this year simply because our players are 1 year improved – a phenomenon that apparently happens only in oakland.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:29 am
G-I sure hope not.Not next week,the week after,or any time in the next 25 years.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:30 am
based on performance from what I saw last game, read on this game, penalties, and your comments; Raiders starting OL will be some point in time and should be>
Mr. Vehldeer LT (steal of the 2010 draft)
Mr. Wisniewski LG (yeah like he wasn’t going to play his uncle’s position)
Mr. Satele C
Mr. Campbell RG (an atheltic beast with attitude)
Mr. Barksdale RT (solid rookie with motivation now that he is a professional)
August 21st, 2011 at 12:30 am
I’m watching the game again.God does Loper suck.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:31 am
GForce I knew someone was going to mention him before either of my options…lol.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:32 am
Alex Smith is horrible I mean horrible. He had a couple of guys come wide open in a soft zone and you guys act like he was Drew Brees LOL. Wait until the regular season folks this game was a joke. Campbell outplayed Smith by a mile we just didn’t have the ball enough to do anything with it. Defenses gave up to many 3rd downs but no points.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:32 am
How I saw it tonite,
BOYD- Cannot play the big nickle as prescribed to MM 34
CARLISE- holding call on inferior talent and is on his last legs
BARKSDALE- main culprit on interior blitzes for 3/4 defenses
B.CAMBELL- held strong against b.s talk on the field, then has nobody to block on third down and lets inside lb stop a third and short.
MCFADDEN- enough said
GOETHEL- Should not be playing in the middle, overpursues on every cutback.
S WILIIAMS- special teams only watching him play third string MLB is hilarious.
Our Qb drops the ball to low(fumble prone) and cant make the quick read. He’s still nervous without #20 deja vu in C-stick
August 21st, 2011 at 12:33 am
All you have to do is play our starters and fix the line and we blow SF off the freakin field………….period
August 21st, 2011 at 12:34 am
actually teams want a QB that leads like Favre, throws like Lamonica, releases like Marino, reads like Manning (no the other one), runs like Vick, and wins like Brady, Montana, and Bradshaw!
August 21st, 2011 at 12:39 am
Anyone else there today?
August 21st, 2011 at 12:39 am
yeah that’s T Pryor…
August 21st, 2011 at 12:40 am
Priest,we had 1st and goal at the 2.JC ran 4 plays and made terrible decisions on 2 of those plays.JC did not outplay Smith and that is troubling.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:41 am
Lefty12 you guys way over reacted that’s becauseit was the niners and you wanted to kill the niners and we didn’t so everyone got pissed.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:42 am
Hey IBA, how do you guys feel about having the blood on your hands? You guys facilitate threats and calls for violence, from commenters like Baauce.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:44 am
Yeah priestt, woulda, coulda, shoulda, the raiders mantra for 8 straight years.
You can’t fix the line. The talent sucks. You can’t fix sucks. Bunch of projects and rejects save for Veldheer.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:44 am
BHP naw man….tonight was awful effort. Kelly sucks man….last post you claim you wanna talk to me. Im not wastiing time with you on Kelly again. He sucks to high hell. If he doeesnt have guy beat initially he stops working. Seymour should be the UT
August 21st, 2011 at 12:45 am
he made one bad decision and it was glaring other than that he threw the ball accurately no picks. He just needs to play and get his feet under Lefty12 you guys blow stuff way out of proportion. JC looked good other than the gaff to Boss which was glaring. Your pissed because we didn’t score and I agree but had he played the entire game we score 24 points vefore the game is over. Alex Smith threw one of worst int’s you’ll ever see……are you kidding if JC throws that same pick you’re all OVER HIM…
August 21st, 2011 at 12:46 am
Steve, you probably noticed that one fight because it was late in the game and you had nothing better to watch, same reason half the niners bench was watching it. But there were fights the whole game, everywhere. We were in the upper deck near the south end zone, and every 2 minutes all of the fans would stand up and look in a certain direction, and you would look and see just a scrum of people with cops trying to break in. All game. All day. Every 2 minutes, and that’s a kind estimate. It’s the worst crowd I’ve ever seen.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:46 am
Alex Smith outplayed JC last year. This wasnt exactly an upset. JC sucks vs pressure D. Has proved it for 7 YEARS now. Heck, the guy gets spooked if his backup so much as sneezes.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:47 am
Alex what’d you think of that run D today? lol.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:48 am
Tonight was bad……lol MR SO WHAT about the violence…..its my fault now?
August 21st, 2011 at 12:48 am
Run defense? MR i never saw one
August 21st, 2011 at 12:49 am
Yeah maybe our starters pull this one out, but Cambell is not the leader of our team. You are the Qb of the Raiders and Hue wants this game, you can atleast stand up after that fumble. But he stays on the ground with his stinger, ohhhh… I’m who I thought I was scared and timid. Cambell cant conquer candlestick?
August 21st, 2011 at 12:49 am
Priest,that may very well be true.But if this team had looked like they looked tonight when Cable was coach,you can bet the house it would be a lot worse.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:49 am
When Shanahan trades a qb in his “prime” years for a future 4th rounder, you know that qb sucks.
When HOF coach Gibbs benched a qb in favor of TODD COLLINS, that qb sucks.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:50 am
Better do some soul searching before NO rolls into town….See ya later
August 21st, 2011 at 12:51 am
Brien, nobody blames you for being what you are. I blame this website for facilitating people with your attitude. No doubt its one of the factors that leads to the messes like the one today at Candlestick. Get a bunch of Briens on the internet instigating and making threats, then get them at a game, and you’re going to get fights and shootings.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:51 am
B the niners ran away from Kelly all game long the ran wide and away from the DT’s like every team does. It’s the same ol same ole. Team run away from our DT’s
August 21st, 2011 at 12:52 am
BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:48 am
SO WHAT about the violence…
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Says it all about you.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:53 am
Priest,when you watch the game again,on the 4th down play,he ran directly into the defenders.Look to his left-2 blockers and not a red shirt in the picture.Terrible read and decision.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:55 am
priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:51 am
B the niners ran away from Kelly all game long the ran wide and away from the DT’s like every team does. It’s the same ol same ole. Team run away from our DT’s
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So, then, Al Davis can’t build a run defense capable of containment. Thanks for clearing that up with us, preist.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:56 am
Lefty12 they did look like this with Cable way too many times. Why bring that up we were the most inconsistent team in the league under him. Play one great game and two bad ones.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:56 am
And, it looks to be that the shooting was Raider fan on Raider fan. Congratulations, Brien. You’ve worked your magic.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:58 am
What a bunch of moron “fans” we have out here for both teams. Lowlifes.
Back to the game, if you can call it that.
I knew this was going to happen. The Raiders always seem to play like crap against the Niners. I think the team doesn’t take it as seriously as the Niners do.
The Raiders played to high and flat on both sides of the line and the Raiders fell back to their bad habits against the run. No gap discipline.
The D-Line was getting washed and the LB’s would not fill the gaps.
Of course the Niners O-Line was getting away with holding plenty as usual, when they play the Raiders. That doesn’t excuse the piss poor play calling in the red zone again by Huey and Saunders.
Don’t why JC didn’t throw the ball sooner to an open Boss in the end zone. That JC’s mistake.
Calling a FB lead was lousy and calling a 4 wide shotgun set from the 4 yard line was lousy also.
Chuck B and his vanilla bend but don’t break defense was lousy also, especially versus the run.
Huey and Chuck B should have known the Niners were going to run on them, and they still couldn’t stop it.
Huey and the rest of the coaches have plenty of work to do.
This “game” also showed that both Bay Area teams have a crap load of work to do before they even think about being considered good football teams.
Ugh
August 21st, 2011 at 12:59 am
You guys do you understand preseason stop complaining we didn’t play well but that’ also due to guys not playing where they will be playing 2 weeks from now. and for the whole game. When you’re pulling people out and putting people in there is no continuity you’ll look great then look like crap the next minute. You are way over reacting………….let it play out.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:01 am
So, priest, what you’re saying is, is that our DTs playing well doesn’t mean anything, because it’s pre season. Thanks for clearing that up.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:01 am
IT’S PREASEASON GODDAMN!! this is the when you do thos ethings IN PRESEASON……..
August 21st, 2011 at 1:02 am
priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:59 am
You guys do you understand preseason stop complaining we didn’t play well but that’ also due to guys not playing where they will be playing 2 weeks from now. and for the whole game. When you’re pulling people out and putting people in there is no continuity you’ll look great then look like crap the next minute. You are way over reacting………….let it play ou
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Stop making excuses for crappy vanilla football by both teams….especially the Raiders
August 21st, 2011 at 1:03 am
You know, priest, I was just going to leave a comment pointing out all of the positives from tonight. But you’re right. It’s preseason. It doesn’t mean anything.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:03 am
I’m getting frustrated so goget it cry and whine if yo wish it’s your sleepless night not mine.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:04 am
Priesst,
Were the Raiders playing maximum effort today? Or were they playing half azz football or are they that bad?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:05 am
that’s right it doesn’t even if it is positive because BOTH TEAMS were in base………..don
‘t take it literally.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:06 am
Raiders need to sign Lofa Tatupu. He would provide valuable experience and depth to that LB corp.
Goethel has a ways to go. Lofa can play some WILL OLB and backup at the MIKE MLB spot.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:07 am
priest, we made some big plays today. Showed glimpses of being a playoff team. But it’s pre season. doesn’t matter. Thanks for setting us straight.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:08 am
The team you saaw today is a shell that’s all a shell Hue is trying win even if it is because he’s trying to instill an attitude with all the players that if you are on the field YOU are responsible. But it’s early in his coaching career it takes about a year for this to take full hold. Stop sweating..
August 21st, 2011 at 1:08 am
Why do the Raiders always play like crap vs the Niners and let the run all over them?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:09 am
Raiders got their ass kicked on and off field. If they new any better they would realize double rock is right next door to candlestick and they would want to come to frisco with their best behavior or get their asses handed to them just like they didi today. 49ers yee!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:09 am
You’re welcome not get a goodnight sleep and let it play out this doesn’t mean squat…………..period
August 21st, 2011 at 1:11 am
I would like to see Raiders have some pride someday when they play the Niners.
Letting the Niners continue to the run all over them the last 3-4 times they have played them in pre season or the regular season is ridiculous.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:16 am
If oakland fans new any better they would realize the niners are the team of the bay area and they need to respect that fact. They can say all the excuses they want, nothing changes the fact that everytime the niners play the weak ass raiders we always win. Hate to get their hopes up but we are just the dominate team. maybe all you raiders fans should take note on what a real team looks and plays like. Dont worry big brother will help. Raiders is like the niners lil brother we just need to whoop their asses once a year to let them know they in our area and when we go to the coliseum thats frisco turf. Respect it dont reject it
August 21st, 2011 at 1:18 am
i know how you feel and it’s why some are so upset they didn’t want this to happen but as far as I’m concerned this is when I prefer it happen it’s a b lessing in disguise as far as I’m concerned. Now they will work their asses off to get better.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:20 am
If Goethel was over pursuing from the MLB, should the Raiders consider starting him at WLB or Scott (I’m taking it Groves was not that great again)?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:22 am
for those that watched, how did Mr. Ware or Mr. Chekwa look (I understand DVD & Moore looked solid w/ McFadden & Boyd, & Brown having another bad game)?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:22 am
Everyone and I mean most everyone doubted what I said about DHB now more and more are gettting on board DHB is not the finished product but you can see the improvement no matter how much you hate the kid. He is a legit rec’r………….period
August 21st, 2011 at 1:25 am
Goethel will be the opening day WLB trust me.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:27 am
Alright Frisco KID, REAP YOUR REWARD AND HIT THE ENDUP TONITE, BRING YOUR TOOTHBRUSH AND ENJOY THE SMELL OF SEMEN.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:28 am
Anyone but Groves.It must be nice to go watch every game and not have to buy a ticket,because that is what he usually does-watch,or stumble over the guys trying to make plays.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:35 am
“Goethel will be the opening day…” WSLPriest,that is one of the things that has me upset.I’d like to see the projected starter play together.If the players we are throwing out there are the starters,we are in big trouble.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:45 am
As far as DHB,want to bet all you read about is how he failed to read the blitz on our 1st series.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:14 am
Watching the game on re broad. It not as bad as the outcome indicated. The 1st team D stopped the first 2 whiner drives with picks…
Our third stringers got handled tho…
August 21st, 2011 at 2:33 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:24 am
Armchair,that comment was directed at J-Raider who on the previous post said the Raiders and the eagles were in the same boat.I did mention all 4 teams on the previous post.You must have not read the comments because they were made after this new post was posted.
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My bad lefty12, I thought your comment was directed at me…Please accept my sincere apology.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:06 am
Lots of Sf Thugs tryin to make a name for theirselves tonight.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:10 am
yeah great to have these gun laws huh? guns dont kill…?
fistfights and shootings, this might be a reason to think twice if I would go to a game..
August 21st, 2011 at 3:10 am
besides that..
Good morning/afternoon =)
August 21st, 2011 at 3:32 am
Priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:18 am
i know how you feel and it’s why some are so upset they didn’t want this to happen but as far as I’m concerned this is when I prefer it happen it’s a b lessing in disguise as far as I’m concerned. Now they will work their asses off to get better.
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I understand that logic, and hope the players and Coaches respond. With that said I still believe we won’t win a playoff game without a better STARTING QB! J Campbell is not good enough! None of our QB’s are good enough!
How in the world does a team like Oakland NOT draft a QB every year? Until you get a Franchise QB, and a competent back you need to be looking QB at EVERY turn.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:33 am
Hello La Milicia Negra
August 21st, 2011 at 4:12 am
hey MOK
August 21st, 2011 at 4:15 am
The 49ers should end this series with the Raiders. It has gotten out of control. Too many idiot Raider fans like Brien ruining what should be a fun night out for the family. If I were the 49ers, I would ban any Raider fan from ever attending a game in San Francisco.
August 21st, 2011 at 4:17 am
Mum-O-Killowe Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 3:06 am
Lots of Sf Thugs tryin to make a name for theirselves tonight.
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Sure it was. Another case of Raider on Raider violence.
August 21st, 2011 at 5:10 am
I had the falsely idea, that going to a football game, was a family occasion..
I go to soccer games with my 7 year old nephew and its just great fun, and though there are shouting and foul language, its nothing that would scare him..
I’ve been talking with my GF that if we went to the US we should go to a game, now i dont think I will. I wouldnt dare put my GF at risk..
maybe a college game, I still think thats a family-thing..
August 21st, 2011 at 5:14 am
La Milicia, I think you would be safe at most NFL games. The Raiders, and possibly the Eagles, seem to have a higher percentage of idiot fans.
August 21st, 2011 at 5:17 am
I told all you guys last year that Hue Jackson is nothing but a sycophantic, back-stabbing garden gnome. All sizzle, no steak. Why would anyone believe anything he has to say? Little Wiz got beat out center, now is not even the starting guard? “Nicked-up” guys end up getting surgery days later? To “build a bully” perhaps you need some tough guys on offense. Who are those guys? JaJason, who will now revert to his deer in the headlights form and get sacked five times per game. This year’s draft class is weak. Sure, Denarius Moore looks like a good find, but he’s a fifth-rounder – if they knew he was so good, they would not have risked letting him slide to the fifth round.
To me, it was Tom Cable who changed the attitude of this team. All the players see Hue is Al’s lap dog and will respond accordingly. Wonder what Shane Lechler’s take on all this is?
August 21st, 2011 at 5:22 am
The Raiders were 8-8 last year because of Jackson, not Cablle. Cable couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag.
August 21st, 2011 at 5:24 am
ABP..
I dont care much about myself, but since football is my thing, and my GF would join for my benefit, it better be safe… she has never been to anything like that..
August 21st, 2011 at 5:29 am
Yeah, Cable is an idiot. That’s why Pete Carroll hired him as Assistant Head Coach. Pete Carroll is an idiot, too, right?
August 21st, 2011 at 5:35 am
I Am Spartacus Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 5:29 am
Yeah, Cable is an idiot. That’s why Pete Carroll hired him as Assistant Head Coach. Pete Carroll is an idiot, too, right?
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Cable is an offensive line coach. That’s all he will ever be.
August 21st, 2011 at 5:35 am
BTW, Pet Carrol’s only success came by cheating.
August 21st, 2011 at 5:40 am
Very Well put, Hagar. Pay Attention People.
August 21st, 2011 at 5:44 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
# Hagar the Horrible Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Amchair GM…wish it were that simple. And, yes, there’s always an example that you can turn around to fit your point. The truth is that these games do matter. At least to the good teams. It’s all about dominating, winning and developing that mind frame that you’re better than your opponents. That starts in preseason. It’s especially bad when you’re telling the media “all-week” that you want to win and that it’s important to you. Then, if you get blasted away, as we did tonite, then you’re in trouble, no matter how you want to down play it. We’re in trouble, we all saw the many weaknesses this evening and we have a long, long way to go. Hope we make it.
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It matters to me because I HATE the freakin FLAMING 49ers!
But in the larger scheme of things, it does not determine whether or not we are going to the Playoffs this season or not….
Using your logic, I guess Philly isn’t going to do anything this season either right? They got blasted 24-14.
New Orleans got rocked 27-14 so write them off, they’re going nowhere!
Indy lost 16-3…stick a fork in em they’re done!
Carolina lost 20-10 so they’re hopeless too!
See how ridiculous some of you guys sound.
All teams are going through the same thing….
Pre season wins are PYRITE aka FOOLS GOLD!
WE sucked today. Does it make me happy??? Hell No!
But am I panicking????? HELL NO.
I just want our guys to get healthy and lets go do this thing!
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It Doesn’t make sense to rule any team out at this point…it’s preseason…who does it matter to? I’d panic if it was a season game.
August 21st, 2011 at 5:50 am
–”Jason Campbell will be tested for a concussion after taking a knee to the helmet from San Francisco’s Ahmad Brooks in Oakland’s Saturday preseason game. Campbell experienced dizziness after taking the hit with 2:44 left in the first half. He had completed 5-of-7 passes for 75 yards at the time of his injury. He was replaced by Trent Edwards, who completed just 3-of-6 throws for 36 yards and an ugly pick. Battling Kyle Boller for the Raiders’ backup job, Edwards won’t necessarily be in line to start Oakland’s third preseason game next Sunday if Campbell is indeed concussed”–
August 21st, 2011 at 5:53 am
leagle37 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 5:44 am
It Doesn’t make sense to rule any team out at this point…it’s preseason…who does it matter to? I’d panic if it was a season game.
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well im not panicking, due to the result of the game, but due to the way we played..
before the season, I questioned the hire of Wylie, the most losing OL-coach in the NFL.. and then when we hired Bresnahan, I really started to doubt, last night we saw the result of those hires..
we will NOT be a 8-8 team this year..
August 21st, 2011 at 5:54 am
Being a Head Coach is all about leadership. I’ll re-evalaute my position after the Monday night opener in Denver. All I know is that Denver has two blow-out losses to avenge and a new HC (Fox) with an axe to grind. We’ll see whether the Raiders are prepared.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:01 am
Although valid reactions, to a significant extent there is a lot of overreaction. I’m not going to go on about “its just a preseason game”. ‘Tis true, but we all know that.
The bigger picture is that our 1s DID NOT get handled contrary to popular belief in here. It just so happens that the 2s adn 3s played most of the game and that is what you all remember – they did get handled.
But the handling was strictly by the offense to the defense (BY BOTH TEAMS!). SF 2nd/3rd team offense handled the Raiders comparable defense. Same goes for the Raiders 2nd/3rd team offense really handling SFs comparable defense at the LOS.
Now, the REAL issue this team has are as follows:
1st team defense giving up too many 3rd downs. That is why they could not get off the field. Great on 1st and 2nds but gave it up on 3rd. I know I saw Branch get burned in zone – typical. DVD gave up one – rookie. I cannot recall the others. But it was all 3rd downs.
lst team defense not being able to get their arses off the field makes it harder on the offense – cold turkey. And Hue ran 2 run plays to start that didn’t get much. If DHB reads the blitz and shortens his route, 1st team offense would still have been on the field.
TOP was then leaning heavily in favor of SF. Well at least the defense was getting a good workout. They stopped SF again of course.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:04 am
4-12 this year. I just went from an interested fan to a casual observer..looks like my Sundays have just freed up 3 hours of free time. Offense will have to outscore everybody (which won’t happen) and defense is gonna get torched. Look at the schedule. Nothing will change until AD is gone so we have a long wait.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:06 am
well the problem is actually not only how they lost/played, but that they lost to a really bad team.. imagine how the saints would handle us… ohh its going to be embarrassing..
August 21st, 2011 at 6:09 am
Anyway, what was apparent in this game was how depleted our starting offense was. We only had DHB and Moore at WR. They did a great job, but there was no Ford, Murphy or Schilens to compliment. So you was seeing Hagan or Miller etc coming in w/ 1st team.
Second, how unsettled that OL is. Hue must decide now what he is going to roll with. I don’t know the answer here; but he needs to decide now and let these guys go to work.
I like Bush, but I have to be honest, he is no DMC. Bush is a very good back. I sometimes think he dances to much instead putting his foot down and go. But point being, some of Bush’s runs, DMC would take to the house or at least 5-10 more yards.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:18 am
* If Hue Jack wants to build a bully, BCamp is a bully. Still rough on technique but that kid is stronger than an ox.
* Bey silencing critics …I like it. I wish I could see those catches again. Guess I’ll have to wait.
* Moore is rising on the depth chart
* Settle on the damn OL. Enough is enough.
* Pass rush was a problem
* Watching Branch out there is starting to bring memories of 2010. Start Mitchell.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:25 am
show me the bullies hue..
August 21st, 2011 at 6:37 am
I don’t care about the Raiders being a bully. I just want to see a team that can compete.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:44 am
Last night, SF reminded us how our outdated D schemes cause us to stink vs the run.
Next weekend, NO will remind us how weak our secondary depth is, and how we can’t play zone well enough to mix up looks vs top QBs.
2s have to play in real games. They are expected to step up when 1s are injured, need a breather, or the formation (dime, goal-line) requires it.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:47 am
I couldn’t even watch the after game presser with Hue, he’s starting to sound like a car salesman. I need to see some whoop a $$ from this team, otherwise it’s just a lot of hot air. If what he selling doesn’t produce on the field the players won’t have any confidence on the field either.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:48 am
Does anyone trust our o-line coach, secondary coach, or D coordinator to out-maneuver must NFL coaches??
When you step away from the “cool” factor of having Rod Woodson and Wisniewski as coaches, you realize we dont give most of our players anywhere near top-shelf coaching.
Poor Al still believes top athletes will prevail over top coaches.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:55 am
Shanahan used to beat the cr&p out of us because he was smarter than we are. I don’t think things have changed. If you know people are going to blitz you, you game plan accordingly. We don’t.
August 21st, 2011 at 6:57 am
All the frauds and charlatans on this team – from coaches to players – will be exposed soon enough. The last thing this team needed was more “yes-men”, but that’s what we got.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:02 am
Alex7 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 6:48 am
Does anyone trust our o-line coach, secondary coach, or D coordinator to out-maneuver must NFL coaches??
When you step away from the “cool” factor of having Rod Woodson and Wisniewski as coaches, you realize we dont give most of our players anywhere near top-shelf coaching.
Poor Al still believes top athletes will prevail over top coaches.
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Yes, i agree. Without developing player -personnel, then having a coaching staff abreast of changes with players that fit the scheme, the same thing will continue.
The Chiefs did it right (i hate to say it). They traded a player for picks, had a GM in place, traded down, got safe, veterans, and got the necessary no. 1 receiver – The Raiders went the opposite direction, pouring money into players that eventually had to leave any, losing draft picks to overpay for proven players that they could never draft .
Without the personnel people to build your nucleus- QB-OL-WR-IMPACT RUSHER, you simply have to re-invent yourself every year, draft for speed and hope the players stick. The coaching turnover was a perfect mix for disaster. Until you can put money into scouting and a GM, then trade out to clear cap space, move down in the draft, stockpile picks with that “proven GM” – expect more of the same.
I have seen this happen too many times. You have a speedy , reasonably athletic team, have to either outscore opponents, or depend on their defense or have either fail at critical times against the more balanced and complete teams in the league (Baltimore, NE, NYJ, Houston, SD (although we did sweep). It’ll be interesting to see if the Raiders commit to Campbell-Jackson for another year if disaster strikes this season.
You are absolutely right Alex7 – Rod Woodson, Wiz , Hue are not outmaneuvering GM led organizations, they are not going to outscheme anyone, b/c they lack the personnel to fit it, particularly once injuries hit.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:05 am
Truth be told the 1s on D were going before the 2nd quarter. Kelly, Seymour, ShoNasty, RoMac, Huff, Routt, Wimbley …were all gone by 2nd quarter. Score was still 0-0.
Heck I don’t even think DVD was in there. Nor did Big John play for that matter (don’t remember seeing him).
August 21st, 2011 at 7:11 am
Before any of you throw yourselves off the Bay Bridge, check out these preseason records from last season. All these teams were in the playoffs
New England Patriots 2-2
Baltimore Ravens 2-2
Indianapolis Colts 1-3
San Diego Chargers 2-2
Philadelphia Eagles 2-3
Chicago Bears 2-2
New Orleans Saints 1-3
Seattle Seahawks 2-2
August 21st, 2011 at 7:14 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 7:11 am
Before any of you throw yourselves off the Bay Bridge, check out these preseason records from last season. All these teams were in the playoffs
New England Patriots 2-2
Baltimore Ravens 2-2
Indianapolis Colts 1-3
San Diego Chargers 2-2
Philadelphia Eagles 2-3
Chicago Bears 2-2
New Orleans Saints 1-3
Seattle Seahawks 2-2
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These records are from a few years ago. But the same logic applies.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:14 am
this is the worst group of corners in the last 20 years. they are soft in coverage and tackling. i feel good about our dline and our linebackers need to improve but our corners are gonna kill us unless we pick up someone who can actually cover. Unless something changes , i suspect we will be one of the worst 3rd down defenses in the nfl. real nfl offensive coordinators will figure out to bring in 3 or 4 wrs and just throw the ball to whoever DVD or mcfadden is covering.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:17 am
Sometimes it’s just as simple as one guy not making the correct play. Football IQ, if you will.
First offensive series, 2nd and 7 or so, Carlisle identifies the wrong ILB and him and Loper end up blocking the same guy while the ILB Coop should have identified goes unblocked and tackles Bush for no gain.
Next play, JC has to burn a TO.
Next play, miscommunication between Glo and DHB.
3 plays in a row where there were simply mental errors by our guys.
Unacceptable.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:22 am
More mental errors …
This time, it’s either on Chuck B or the captain of the defense for not making an adjustment.
First defensive series, 2nd and long for the whiners, Wimbley is out on the corner in a man to man situation against Vernon Davis. Not only that, he’s playing him up tight like a bump and run. That’s a matchup that Davis will win 9 outta 10 times.
Especially disappointing is we run a similar formation with Reece trying to get him matched up with a LB. For us to not be ready for that type of play was disturbing.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:23 am
I am Spartacus Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 6:57 am
All the frauds and charlatans on this team – from coaches to players – will be exposed soon enough. The last thing this team needed was more “yes-men”, but that’s what we got.
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most raiders fans are yes-men : /
August 21st, 2011 at 7:24 am
The 3rd down defense should be a grave concern for opening night, as the Bronco’s are going 3 to 4 wide so far this preseason and having Orton dink and dunk right now, at a very high level of efficiency.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:26 am
Boy do I have a headache. Partied too hard last night with these hot Asian girls. Wake up to the news that Raider fans are killing each other. I guess when your team is constantly sucking you will do crazy things.
So sad. The NFL should just kick the Raiders out of the league. I’m sure Goodell is thinking about it. It’s embarrassing.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:27 am
This so called Big Nickle defense is going to be our undoing. First of all, how is it a “big” nickle when we take an actual LB off the field and replace him with a DB?
That defensive set gets run on WAY to easily with no LBs on the field, and DBs who have no intention of playing the run.
Very disappointed to see that set didn’t go out the window with Marshall.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:27 am
Wow, I have not been on this blog in a long time, man, people are already throwing in the towel? The 49ers were embarrassed in that game against the Saints, I knew Harbaugh would have the 9ers ready to play for this game. Bottom line the score while the starters were in was only 3-0 so i’m not ready to hit the panic button. As far as the violence goes, it might have ruined any chances the Raiders and Niners had of sharing a brand new Stadium, I’m so tired of ignorant Raider fans making the rest of us look bad.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:27 am
On a happier note. My band played a great show last night. I think we are getting closer and closer to a major label deal. Keep on rocking!
August 21st, 2011 at 7:32 am
I couldn’t even watch the after game presser with Hue, he’s starting to sound like a car salesman.
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Starting???
LOL……it was pretty obvious from day one that dude is full of a lot of bluster, and it sounds great when things are working, and looks incredibly stupid when it doesn’t.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:32 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 7:24 am
The 3rd down defense should be a grave concern for opening night, as the Bronco’s are going 3 to 4 wide so far this preseason and having Orton dink and dunk right now, at a very high level of efficiency.
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I agree with this. I think DVD will hold up OK, but he really is a rook. Its not like last year when we had Nnam, Routt and CJ – 3 very experienced corners.
3rd down defense really concerns me right now. I think the 1st team defense was good otherwise. It was 3rd down that kept them on the field so long.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:32 am
From 2006 Raider vs. 49er game:
“In the second quarter, the Raiders scored another field goal, followed by their first touchdown of the game. What ensued next, turned out to be the thing that stood out in my mind the most, in terms of the rivalry. After the touchdown was scored, there were maybe three or four Raider fans sitting behind us by about three rows, and the tossed their beers in the air. Needless to say, we got wet, as did some hardcore 49er fans, who were sitting in front of us.”
morons
August 21st, 2011 at 7:33 am
There is no way in heck 52 should be starting for us. Can’t see it happening. All you have to do is key on him in the 2nd defensive series, and you’ll see why.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:33 am
Fights happen all the time, but shootings?
Who brings a gun to a football game?? Almost seems pre-meditated to me.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:33 am
I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. That was my concern vs AZ as well. How will the D hold up on 3rd down?
The catch is, I don’t know if we are truly looking at the lineup or not. Will Huff really play nickel or will they give it to DVD?
August 21st, 2011 at 7:34 am
Groves is garbage, been saying it since the AZ game last year (even though he got a pick in that game).
The guy gets manhandled, by TE’s and FB’s.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:36 am
The catch is, I don’t know if we are truly looking at the lineup or not. Will Huff really play nickel or will they give it to DVD?
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Honestly, I think they will try one or another until one of them starts to work.
I would rather have Huff, at least to start.
Scary thing is, the depth of our secondary. If CJ37 is still hurt, we are one injury to #26 from being a borderline practice squad secondary.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:36 am
J Hill Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 7:33 am
There is no way in heck 52 should be starting for us. Can’t see it happening. All you have to do is key on him in the 2nd defensive series, and you’ll see why.
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I kid you not. I spotted Groves on one play where he took 2 shots at the RB and missed. That sht was pathetic. He runs into the DE, misses the RB. Then he runs upfield at the RB and trys to swipe at the ball all while whiffiing on the tackle again.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:37 am
When I come to Oakland, I’m wearing a kevlar vest.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:37 am
Relax fellas relax it aint that serious, the most important thing for Hue to do right NOW is get the Oline set. The rest will take care of itself. Oh
Oh and get goethel over there at WLB and the rest will take care of itself. BTW DVD is legit and I mean legit they need to get a good look at Chekwa next week and Sterling Moore better make this team.
The starting O needs to play the entire game next week and Hue has got to make sure that Oline is settled by Wednesday I think I already emphasized that.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:38 am
I was wondering, did J.Cambell have too much stick em on his hands to throw the ball to a wide open K.Boss in the endzone? What was up with that?
August 21st, 2011 at 7:38 am
I’m out. Going to try and go back to sleep. I have a big beach party to attend to later. My and my bros are going to be hitting the Coors Light party ball pretty hard.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:39 am
I agree with Priest too. The most, most important thing right now is to settle on the OL. Enough with the musical chairs. I said before by 3rd preseason game Hue needs to have at least 4 of the positions settled!
August 21st, 2011 at 7:40 am
I don’t know why we let Thomas howard walk out of here I know he’s lousy vs the run but he was the best LB I’ve seen in a long time in coverage. He could’ve played ST’s.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:41 am
Think Pryor can play DB or safety, what about LB ?
August 21st, 2011 at 7:42 am
TFDS has a good synopsis of the game. Like I said before it was not pretty but when you really look at it 1st team defense was gone before the 2nd quarter (Huff, RoMac, Wimbley, Seymour, Kelly, ShoNasty, Routt – all gone). Score was still 0-0 (say 3-0 if they made the FG).
The O did not get on the field until 10mins in the game (bec D was having issues on 3rd downs). Can someone say “cold turkey”?
August 21st, 2011 at 7:43 am
http://tfdssports.com/2011-articles/august/red-zone-is-raiders-dead-zone-in-losing-battle-of-the-bay.html
August 21st, 2011 at 7:43 am
priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 7:37 am
Relax fellas relax it aint that serious,
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You’re wrong, Priest.
What I am looking at is VERY serious.
I see the same problems with our LBs that I did last year.
I see the same issue with the Big Nickle I did last year. Susceptable to the offense checking into a run, which we can not defend! Even when MM34 comes back for Boyd.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:45 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 7:45 am
That play was a run first option and he was too intent on the run when Boss popped wide open he was in stride and didn’t square up to throw it. It was an obvious brain fart but that was the only bad play he made. He was accurate and threw on time the rest of the day. Nick Miller made a business decision on a perfectly thrown pass from Edwards. It should’ve been a TD……….period
Relax guys this will pass as soon as we win the opener.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:47 am
From reading TFDS’s analysis Barnes is too mistake prone to start. I have not reviewed the game to confirm (it will be recorded tonight) but I believe what he is saying is correct.
In that case, start Barksdale and lets get this show on the road.
Veldheer-Wiz-Satele-Campbell-Barksdale
or
Veldheer-Wiz-Satele-Carlisle-Barksdale
August 21st, 2011 at 7:47 am
I was pretty hammered yesterday during the game….did we play any 3-4 D??
How many times did we blitz…1-2?
Did we have anyone playing outside?
How many times did we run..10?
August 21st, 2011 at 7:47 am
Nick Miller made a business decision on a perfectly thrown pass from Edwards
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LOL @ business decision.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:48 am
I’m not sure what you’re referring to but if you say so. I’ll have to look at later. I saw a soft zone maybe you saw something else.
But I’m out later guys!
August 21st, 2011 at 7:48 am
Next week we’ll see our first teams against New Orleans’ first teams for about three quarters. It’s possible that we’ll see some DMAC, Ford, Schillens, and Taiwan Jones in action by then (but who knows – all these guys could be having surgery on Monday). A competitive showing – on our turf – will give some reason for optimism. If we are dismantled on both sides of the ball, that will be the harbinger of things to come for the rest of the year. Any good vibes carried over from last year will dissolve and all the irrational exuberance and sycophantry will be exposed for the emptiness that it is.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:48 am
I remember the 1983 Raiders went 1-3 in the preseason and we all know how that season turned out……
August 21st, 2011 at 7:49 am
BCamp has the athleticism to man RT/LT but he does not have the technique yet I don’t think. Looks like he tends to play too high, but makes up for it in strength. Again, I have to re-watch to confirm.
I wish he had more time in camp. Either way, that kid is a beast.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:53 am
Hate to hear about stuff like this at the stadium….
Wish people would just learn to get along at games like these; it’s just a friendly preseason rivalry that doesn’t mean much more than that.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:57 am
I kid you not. I spotted Groves on one play where he took 2 shots at the RB and missed. That sht was pathetic. He runs into the DE, misses the RB. Then he runs upfield at the RB and trys to swipe at the ball all while whiffiing on the tackle again.
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LOL!
That play just happened.
LMFAO!
August 21st, 2011 at 7:57 am
I understand as fans we have been very patient on performance year in and year out. I really wanted to drink the Kool-Aid and believe this year. I don’t see much out of this team that sweetens my drink. The Raiders still look like a pee wee league out there. (Yes I’m bi7chin’ but I don’t care. 10 years of crap, I’m allowed.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:58 am
After the game Harbaugh refunded Hue’s toll money and told him to get Fuk out of his side of the Bay.
August 21st, 2011 at 7:59 am
B Camp does play too high.
I can confirm it for you.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:00 am
Some observations:
1.) Loper and Barnes had a lot of trouble in pass protection. Veldheer and Carlisle both gave up plays, but were otherwise solid – need more consistency though. Satele was underwhelming, but didn’t make many glaring mistakes. It’s time to see if the young kids can give the Raiders a boost on the offensive line. Barksdale had a pretty good game. Wisniewski looked very active, particularly in pass protection.
2.) McClain (and the LB corps in general) had a really bad first couple of drives. For all the talk about the CBs needing to learn how to “pull the trigger”, McClain is the one who most needs to learn when to trust his gut, shoot a gap and make a play. Too often he was a split-second hesitation away from filling a gap in the running game, and it resulted in 5+ yards.
Makes me think that maybe McClain should be calling the defensive plays from WLB where he can still cover TEs and RBs, while focusing more on containing the edge by taking proper angles (something the coaching staff allegedly thinks he’s better at than shedding OGs and FBs on the inside). Considering how poor the edge containment has been, maybe moving McClain there would help the Raider defense. It would also allow Goethel to move into MLB – a spot he seems like a perfect fit for.
Maybe McClain is still learning and maturing, but if such a scenario has already “been floated within the organization”, it’ll be interesting to see how much patience the Raiders have.
3.) The defensive line NEEDS to play with more discipline. I’ve said it time and time again. As long as our defensive linemen are focused on shedding blockers and getting in the backfield, one-cut runners are going to have a field day with the defense. Happened again numerous times last night. OGs and FBs running free to take on the Raider linebackers – one block, a missed tackle by an out-of-position safety and it’s a huge play. Defensive line needs to hold their gaps and prevent the runner from cutting back.
4.) Matt Shaughnessy is a bad, bad man.
5.) Not too concerned about the lack of a running game in the preseason. Seems that the Raiders are playing it safe… But it looks like the WRs could actually be a strength of this team going forward. Have to see it carry over to the regular season, but if Moore keeps up his high level of play, DHB makes some strides, Ford has a big second season, and a healthy Murphy and Chaz contribute? The passing game will be much improved. Hagan has a real shot at making the team, especially if Moore takes the punt return duties away from Nick Miller.
6.) DVD is not ready. The kid is a project and needs to be treated as such. Great potential there, but the Raiders can’t force him into a role he’s not ready for or the defense is going to suffer for it. The Raiders missed out on adding another veteran corner, so CJ needs to stay healthy. Time to get Sterling Moore some first team reps if CJ is going to be out until the opener.
7.) Once again, Campbell needs to learn to be consistent. Defenses are going to try to pressure him, and he needs to learn to trust his receivers to be in the right place and make the tough throw with a defender or two in his face. Until he learns to do that, the offense’s performance is going to hit-or-miss. They’ll have some great games, and they’ll have some games where they can’t do anything. This game reminded me a whole lot of last season’s game against the 49ers. Unfortunately, the Raiders are prone to performances like this, which is why I can’t envision them doing any better than 8-8.
8.) For 2012, finding a QB who can be “THE guy” is essential. Get a veteran FA with some upside like Josh Johnson and draft a kid the coaching staff believes in. The only way the Raiders are going to find a franchise-caliber QB is through the draft. Luck, Jones, Barkley, Foles, Cousins, Lindley, and Griffin III could all be available to the Raiders. Personally, outside of Luck and Jones I’m very high on Ryan Lindley’s potential. Seems like a good fit for the Raiders, but we’ll see.
CB, OLB, and getting younger at DT should also be priorities for the future.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:01 am
151.TerrapinRaider Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 7:49 am
BCamp has the athleticism to man RT/LT but he does not have the technique yet I don’t think. Looks like he tends to play too high, but makes up for it in strength. Again, I have to re-watch to confirm.
I wish he had more time in camp. Either way, that kid is a beast.
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From what I could see you are totally right. Way to high but the kid could wrestle grizzly bears.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:09 am
I think it was 2009 (could have been 2008) when we played the Saints the 3rd game of the preseason.
We looked OK the first game, a little sketchy in the SF game, and than the Saints just blew the doors off us, and we went 5-11.
Can’t have that happen again, as the cycle is starting to look familiar.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:10 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 5:10 am
I had the falsely idea, that going to a football game, was a family occasion..
I go to soccer games with my 7 year old nephew and its just great fun, and though there are shouting and foul language, its nothing that would scare him..
I’ve been talking with my GF that if we went to the US we should go to a game, now i dont think I will. I wouldnt dare put my GF at risk..
maybe a college game, I still think thats a family-thing..
You never fail to give euros a bad name.
Soccer games in Euroland (and the rest of the third world) have been a disgrace for decades and you have the nerve to bash American games?
We are much more civilized. We dont toss urine bombs. We rarely fight after the games. You have made it the national pasttime, get sticking drunk, walk to the game in huge crowds singing dirty songs.
When was the last time Americans had a huge brawl after or before the game? Its the national pastime in euroland.
Yes we have been developing a thug attitude at games but our black boots will put it down and put it down fast.
You are a bigot of the highest order
August 21st, 2011 at 8:11 am
I think DVD will be ok. From the limited amount I’ve seen he is blanketing his guy. He just needs to flip the switch. I remember Charles Woodson getting burned several times in a game his rookie season. Half way through the game the lights came on and he never looked back.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:19 am
JFB,
I think you are going to ike B Campbell on film this week.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:22 am
so who misses nnamdi yet? Cant believe people in here wanted him gone….
August 21st, 2011 at 8:22 am
Film study will have to be tonight, completely smashed.
Direct TV doesn’t come to the new house until Wednesday, and got plenty of things to put together in the mean time.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:23 am
Wiz looking good at C
Campbell looking good at RG
Barksdale looking solid at RT
August 21st, 2011 at 8:24 am
Interesting how all these highlight pass completions against us are happening on the left side of the field where the right CB covers….I don’t remember that happening too often the last few years. What has changed? I mean Nnamdi sucked according to most of you, so it couldn’t be his absence could it?
August 21st, 2011 at 8:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:22 am
Film study will have to be tonight, completely smashed.
Direct TV doesn’t come to the new house until Wednesday, and got plenty of things to put together in the mean time.
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Had mine installed about 2 weeks ago, NFL ticket doesn’t include preseason games. I have to wait for the NFL Network to replay the game. 10:00 PM tonight CDT.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:25 am
and another point goethel is horrible mlb? c’mon man
August 21st, 2011 at 8:26 am
Dakota Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:24 am
Interesting how all these highlight pass completions against us are happening on the left side of the field where the right CB covers….I don’t remember that happening too often the last few years. What has changed? I mean Nnamdi sucked according to most of you, so it couldn’t be his absence could it?
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I stated a while ago that the first thing teams are going to do is open that vacated side of the field.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:26 am
RAIDERSITH Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 7:48 am
I remember the 1983 Raiders went 1-3 in the preseason and we all know how that season turned out……
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its not the losses that is the problem, I infact hoped we would lose the 3 first preseasongames, and then win the last one.. but I wanted to lose them in a close game, where we played good, then our egos wouldnt be hurt, and at the same time, we wouldnt think to highly of our own abilities… as it was during Art Shell..
August 21st, 2011 at 8:28 am
These preseaon games, I don’t care if we win or loose, but the play on the field is what matters. These guys aren’t ready for prime time
August 21st, 2011 at 8:28 am
I don’t see how Hagan doesn’t make this team.
Another battle is going to be Gordon vs Meyers as the 3rd TE.
Gordon is a BIG dude, and is blocking pretty well.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:28 am
We need to see some of these guys against opposing teams 1’s.
At least with DVD, he is going up against Fitz and Braylon Edwards.
Even if Bruce Campbell looks great, he is doing against practice squad guys.
Should sprinkle him in a series this week with the 1’s, to see how he fares against legitimate interior defensive lineman.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:29 am
Impressions of last night’s game.
First, the bad:
Run D got gashed big-time, especially on sweeps to their right.
W McFadden plays scared. On that deep sideline route he had a play if he’d only look back for the ball. He was doing this last week too.
Mental errors and penalties by the o-line. In fairness some of this could be due to constant shuffling of personnel thus far.
Team just didn’t seem ready to play hard. No excuse there.
Groves does look horrible against outside runs. Can’t fight through the wash to make tackle.
The f…ing morons fighting and shooting each other. What is this world coming to?
Now the good:
D Moore looked great again. Always seems to make the play.
DHB made a couple of solid catches and seems to be turning into a player.
DVD did alright except for giving too big a cushion on one play.
S Moore makes plays but we still have to see how he can play earlier in a game.
I didn’t have to stay up till 3:00 AM to watch this snooze-fest.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:31 am
Another shooting victim, and they are going to look long and hard at banning booze/beer at games.
I’m sure what is next is some lawsuits from these people.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:32 am
Dakota,
What are you talking about mayne?
Do you really think Nnamdi would have been in the game when with the 2nd team when Braylon caught that ball with one hand on McFadden?
DVD gave up ONE pass completion while he was in the game.
Move along with that we miss Nnamdi cheer.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:33 am
Yeah JFB, it’s getting ridiculous. And not just in the Bay Area. We had some winner beat up a father who was with his kid at one of our games a couple of years ago.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:36 am
Don’t care about this. D-line was replaced early in the game. Need to play the young O-linemen cause some of them will be beasts. getagunmofro!!!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 8:37 am
So, we didn’t look good in places.1st team d was ok, no score.Loved DHB, bright spot on a dark day.Why are idiots like “Charged-up” here with unnamed or unsubstantiated quotes of beer spilling?Moron, no one wants to hear his stupid shiz.But, generally a pretty poor performance by the team, worse than I thought.We couldn’t stop Alex Smith.Alex Smith!!And I have to hear it from Niner fans.Thanks Hue.Please do better next time,or I’ll tell Al.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:38 am
And a Raider fan shooting a Raider fan??
Probably one of the two went with a group that included some 49ers fans. A fight probably broke out, and Raiders fans were fighting a group that was mixed.
So incredibly stupid.
I remember during the 2002 playoffs, on Mt. Davis. I was sitting a few rows over from some Jets fans, who were NYPD, and wearing Jets and 9/11 gear. Some Raiders fans tried to mess with them, got pounded, and most of the crowd was cheering on the Jets fans.
Get a grip people!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 8:42 am
Plunketthead Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:10 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 5:10 am
I had the falsely idea, that going to a football game, was a family occasion..
I go to soccer games with my 7 year old nephew and its just great fun, and though there are shouting and foul language, its nothing that would scare him..
I’ve been talking with my GF that if we went to the US we should go to a game, now i dont think I will. I wouldnt dare put my GF at risk..
maybe a college game, I still think thats a family-thing..
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You never fail to give euros a bad name.
Soccer games in Euroland (and the rest of the third world) have been a disgrace for decades and you have the nerve to bash American games?
We are much more civilized. We dont toss urine bombs. We rarely fight after the games. You have made it the national pasttime, get sticking drunk, walk to the game in huge crowds singing dirty songs.
When was the last time Americans had a huge brawl after or before the game? Its the national pastime in euroland.
Yes we have been developing a thug attitude at games but our black boots will put it down and put it down fast.
You are a bigot of the highest order
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oh dear plunk..
first, I think you talk about things you dont know anything about.. maybe you think of englands hooligans of the 80’s and 90’s.. well I got a newsflash, singing doesnt hurt anyone, bullets do..
secondly, you say you dont brawl after games, well after I seem to remember more or less is a civil war going on when a final is over in your big sports, cars burning, shops luted and so on.. amarica cicilized, thats a stretch, most american will even agree on that..
thirdly, yes you are right about fights when there are soccer games played, these guys call eachother before, arrange the fight, smash eachother heads up, totally prehistoric. The thing is, no-one who doesnt want to fight gets hurt, if you get caught in the middle due to blindness or because you kept looking up in the sky, they simply walk around you, they only wants to fight eachother.. and mind this is fistfights, never weapons, most idiots with guns cant aim, so most often they shoot innocent people..
fourth, plunk, I know you dont like me, I know you would prefer no-one from europe likes the NFL or let alone the Raiders, well the raiders have pretty huge fan-base in europe. But to come with these attacks agains me, makes you look pretty ignorant, you clearly dont know anything about europe, because if you did, you would praise it, like most other americans do, when they have lived here for a year or two.. hmm, well maybe thats why you hate us..
fifth, I have been to about 250 games in my life, have had children with me to about 40-50 of them, never ever anything unpleasant has happened..
August 21st, 2011 at 8:44 am
dvd and chekwa cant make a tackle for anything. Reminds me of phillip buchanon….and it isnt the one pass that dvd allowed its his whole game. 15 yard cushion, even when he presses he never hits the receiver at the line.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:45 am
173.Just Fire Baby Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:28 am
We need to see some of these guys against opposing teams 1’s.
At least with DVD, he is going up against Fitz and Braylon Edwards.
Even if Bruce Campbell looks great, he is doing against practice squad guys.
Should sprinkle him in a series this week with the 1’s, to see how he fares against legitimate interior defensive lineman.
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Agreed. Campbell is a monster that hasn’t learned the intricacies of the position yet, but I love his attitude. Barksdale has looked pretty darned good for a rookie, and he did play against the Niners’ first team a little bit. I don’t know what was going on with Satele last night but he looked completely lost a couple of times.
Give the kids some time with the starters against a good team, and see what happens.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:46 am
The defense has been practicing a lot of zone coverages this preseason.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:47 am
DVD will be one helluva playa. WMacfadden on the other hand, may already be lost.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:48 am
Took my God-daughters to a game when they were around 13 and 14. Some drunken reptile-brains behind us were swearing their lungs out the whole game. The younger girl summed it up when she said “What a bunch of losers”. If you give a moron beer he’s sure not going to get any smarter. It’s too bad those numbskulls ruin things for those of us who have enough brain cells to have a few without wanting to kill someone.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:48 am
Chances are, you aren’t going to have too many rookies starting week 1 on the road in front of 74K people.
Bu these young guys need some run against legitimate NFL players (not the guys playing the 2nd half of preseason games), for no other reason than to have your bench ready.
Can’t have these guys going on, feeling high on the hog because they pushed around some guy that now works for UPS, and isn’t mentally prepared for how much better NFL starters and Pro Bowlers are.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:49 am
Satele could still be suffering from lingering effects from his injury he sustained in the game against Az.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:50 am
I really liked the Walter McFadden pick last year.
I was on here banging his drum like no other. AFter the preseason and the Miami game, I realized last year I was waaaay off on that one.
He is garbage.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:50 am
Glad to see BCAMPBELL is not a “bust” as reported on this blog…
August 21st, 2011 at 8:52 am
Carlisle has played well, for the most part.
So has Bruce Campbell.
How do you choose a starter?
August 21st, 2011 at 8:52 am
DHB making some plays was great to see.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:53 am
Not sure how they go about choosing a starter however, they need to settle on who does what and roll with it…
August 21st, 2011 at 8:53 am
How do you choose a starter?
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Bruce has played about 100 snaps in the NFL, most in preseason.
Carlisle has played over 100 games.
Not a hard choice, at least to start the year.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:54 am
Yeah…W McFadden can’t cover anything. Looks like a scared rabbit out there.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:54 am
Neither is Bey. He has looked solid 2 straight games. And I think this kid will get even better in time.
I kept tellin you boys Bey’s ceiling is much higher than these other wides (Murphy, Schilens). Bey & Moore have the highest ceilings followed closely by Ford imho. Now who comes the closest to reaching their respective ceiling is another question altogether.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:56 am
J Hill Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:52 am
Carlisle has played well, for the most part.
So has Bruce Campbell.
How do you choose a starter?
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As much as I want to see BC, Carlisle will get the nod based on his experiece and BC is not as polished although he is much stronger at the point of attack.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:56 am
When I read the headline “2 Shot After NFL Preseason Game” on CNN how did I know it was going to be this game. Only a Raiders fan would shoot another Raiders fan. Ban this guy for life.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:57 am
staff should make a decision oline starters today.
Let the projected starters work as such.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:57 am
One thing that I’ve been complaining about with your boy Savage is him getting bullrushed in pass protection.
The play where Glo got hurt, CCs man pushed him back in the pocket a good 5 yds. Savage did recover and throw the guy to the ground, but the pocket had already been collapsed and started Glo’s happy feet.
On another note, that same play, Bush as a 1 on 1 block and decides to go low and undercut the guys legs. Misses and Glo has to bail the pocket.
That’s the twinkle toes shhhhiiddd I am talking about with Bush. Why not just lay that big body on the guy and just simply block him?
August 21st, 2011 at 8:58 am
I think DHB’s gonna have his coming out party this year. We’ll be solid at WR. I’d like to see the Raiders keep Haggan over Miller. Guy knows how to get open and catches the ball.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:58 am
DHB is a bust. 2 touchdowns in 26 games.
Campbell, we don’t know about. Last year the only time he faced starters, he got killed.
August 21st, 2011 at 8:59 am
Olinesux Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:25 am
and another point goethel is horrible mlb? c’mon man
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I could say I told y’all so for the last two years, but it wouldn’t do any good.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:00 am
Savage earned his name in the run-blocking department.
I think he gives up the sanctity of the pocket a little too easy sometimes., even though he often does keep the guy off the QB.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:00 am
JHill – I feel you with the “twinkle toes” comment. I mentioned that last night. For such a big back Bush tends to dance too much. He needs to plant and go! Quit with the happy feet.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:00 am
Campbell, we don’t know about
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Exactly so labeling him a bust is ridiculous…
August 21st, 2011 at 9:01 am
DHB was one of the bright spots yesterday. he had some good catches. He will be productive and contribute to the offense.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:01 am
That’s the twinkle toes shhhhiiddd I am talking about with Bush. Why not just lay that big body on the guy and just simply block him?
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I never considered Bush a big-back because of the twinkle-toe stuff.
I think McFadden is much more effective in short yardage situations. He goes in low, fast and plows people.
Bush looks for a little crease, and just kind of leans and lays over the pile.
Bush does his “Big-Back” thing in the open field in the secondary.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:01 am
To those of you wondering why Satele played so poor, it is a simple answer. Satele is afraid of Sopaoga!
August 21st, 2011 at 9:01 am
Complete idiots & probably registered Democrats.
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“Two people who attended the Raiders-49ers game at Candlestick Park on Saturday night were shot, according to Sgt. Frank Harrell of the San Francisco Police Dept. Another fan who attended the game is being detained for questioning”
August 21st, 2011 at 9:02 am
Heyer has by far been the best LG I’ve seen.
We should start Wiz at C and Campbell at RG next week. That would be a great test.
Can’t really make an informed decision without seeing them against the other teams #1s.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:02 am
I was getting the feeling Bush is playing not to get hurt. He was looking rather tentative instead of just hitting it. I don’t really blame him. Its a ‘business decision’. Its just not nice to watch such a big back dance around.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
They’re moving guys around on the o-line so far, trying to find the best combination. The line will play better by seasons start and should improve as time passes. Too early to judge the unit.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
It has nothing to do with likeing you or not likeing you.
I call you on your BS for the same reason others do.
You are always putting America down while waving your pom poms for euroland
August 21st, 2011 at 9:04 am
Complete idiots & probably registered Democrats.
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Or convicted felons…
Media is going to have field day with this one…
The lable that all RAIDER’s are morons, gangstars and thugs.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:04 am
We should start Wiz at C and Campbell at RG next week. That would be a great test.
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Not sure about starting them, but they should get a series.
Need some type of continuity going into Denver.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:05 am
Walter McFadden is just a poor fit for a scheme that requires so much man coverage.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:05 am
His only goof was not recognizing the blitz and adjusting his route. JC went to him and he was just sprinting down field. DHB’s football IQ might also be an issue, not just his hands.
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Thec07 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:52 am
DHB making some plays was great to see.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:06 am
DHB wonderlic = 7
Just saying.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:07 am
I can dig this lineup: Veldheer-Heyer-Wiz-Campbell-Barkdale
Has a nice ring to it. Thats what we should have. Its just a question of whether some of these said guys are ready.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:08 am
Sadly thats the case to a degree.
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Thec07 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:04 am
The lable that all RAIDER’s are morons, gangstars and thugs.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:08 am
Sorry but McFadden is just a “poor fit” period. Constantly giving up catches even when you’re close because you never look for the ball is a sign of playing scared. And no matter how much zone a team plays you will get locked up mano-a-mano at times.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:08 am
213.CanuckRaider Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
They’re moving guys around on the o-line so far, trying to find the best combination. The line will play better by seasons start and should improve as time passes. Too early to judge
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They need to make a decision to give these guys time to gel at the position they are playing…
Select the starters and go with it…
you do not want to be tinkering with who is starting going into our first game, this needs to be settled ASAP imo.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:08 am
So, DHB is as dumb as his hands?
gawd
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Just Fire Baby Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:06 am
DHB wonderlic = 7
Just saying.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am
Thec07 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:50 am
Glad to see BCAMPBELL is not a “bust” as reported on this blog…
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though JCAMPBELL might be..
August 21st, 2011 at 9:10 am
You’re not going to learn anything from a series or 2 against their ones. Those guys have legitimate shots at being #1 on the depth chart, so they need to be tested as starters. Especially Wiz. I’ll concede that Cooper had been playing well enough to start, but we all know there is a plan for Beast Campbell.
I don’t understand the rationale of waiting until week 3 or 4 to start Campbell. How is he going to be any better then than he is now?
August 21st, 2011 at 9:11 am
MistaBrown Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:05 am
His only goof was not recognizing the blitz and adjusting his route. JC went to him and he was just sprinting down field. DHB’s football IQ might also be an issue, not just his hands.
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I would hope not, they teach you reads a WR in High School.
Game situation hopefully, he learns from this and becomes part of his natural progeression as an NFL WR.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
Thec07: With two pre-season games left I agree that it’s time to get the starters settled now. They did need to look at the new hogs against starters though.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:14 am
I’d bet Groves and Branch scored in the single digits as well.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:14 am
I don’t understand the rationale of waiting until week 3 or 4 to start Campbell. How is he going to be any better then than he is now?
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Put him on the firing line now, see how he reacts to the 1’s…I can say that based on his play yesterday, he is not afraid to hit, and mix it up. This is what the team needs…
August 21st, 2011 at 9:14 am
CanuckRaider Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 8:48 am
Took my God-daughters to a game when they were around 13 and 14. Some drunken reptile-brains behind us were swearing their lungs out the whole game. The younger girl summed it up when she said “What a bunch of losers”. If you give a moron beer he’s sure not going to get any smarter. It’s too bad those numbskulls ruin things for those of us who have enough brain cells to have a few without wanting to kill someone.
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If you don’t want some drunk guy swearing behind you cheering his team while drinking beer…go to church!
You might like that better…
August 21st, 2011 at 9:14 am
228.CanuckRaider Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
Thec07: With two pre-season games left I agree that it’s time to get the starters settled now. They did need to look at the new hogs against starters though.
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Agreed.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:14 am
We always seem to play sh!tty in SF no matter who the coach or the players are.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:15 am
Terrapin,
MBush appeared to me exactly as you wrote. Trying not to get hurt in a meaningless contest. Don’t blame him either after he had to waste two entire seasons (collge + pro) by injury.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am
Where was C Jackson?
Hagan has to make the team, see ya N Miller the DB Killer!
August 21st, 2011 at 9:17 am
DHB wonderlic – 14
Harvin – 12
Nicks – 11
Crabs – 15
WRs ain’t rocket scientists.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:18 am
R8eray: Sounds like you’re one of those winners if you think spending the whole game yelling obscenities behind young kids is cool.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:18 am
They should ban alcohol sales in all stadiums.
If you want to drink go to a bar.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:19 am
Lamont Jorden had happy feet in his last years here.
I am not too worried about the O as long as we stay somewhat healthy.
When the starters are pushing people around who are having a hell of a hard time keeping up with our starters speed, they will have to start putting in their second string. We will take hue advantage of that and start hitting them hard with our sledgehammer, the Bush.
About halfway through the game most opponents will give up
Best year ever!!
August 21st, 2011 at 9:19 am
For all the talk about the CBs needing to learn how to “pull the trigger”, McClain is the one who most needs to learn when to trust his gut, shoot a gap and make a play. Too often he was a split-second hesitation away from filling a gap in the running game, and it resulted in 5+ yards.
Makes me think that maybe McClain should be calling the defensive plays from WLB where he can still cover TEs and RBs, while focusing more on containing the edge by taking proper angles (something the coaching staff allegedly thinks he’s better at than shedding OGs and FBs on the inside). Considering how poor the edge containment has been, maybe moving McClain there would help the Raider defense. It would also allow Goethel to move into MLB – a spot he seems like a perfect fit for.
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Agreed.
More likely we are going to see Goethel at WLB though.
52 certainly won’t start.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:21 am
The D got their lunch served. I expect nothing less from UFL D Coord Chuck Bresnahan. Get used to this, Chuck is crap.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:22 am
I don’t know how you can expect to avoid drunk folks and cursing at a pro football game. It’s going to be somehwere in your section, if not the whole section, especially if the team is losing.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:25 am
Kirk: Yeah, it’s getting to that point. The lowlifes are just getting too out of hand now. My buddies and I used to party it up at games but we didn’t start fights and we always kept it cool if kids were around.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:26 am
What bothers me people is; do the Raiders have anything to feel good about this morning? SF is probably grinning and Hue and coaches are probably scratching their collective heads.
Why couldn’t we just have had more to go on. So what if the D only gave up 3 points, they kept JC and co. off the field. And they let the niner D stay rested.
I know its just pre season, and with that being the case, it shows we got a lot of work to do.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:26 am
Personally? 5-safety debacle aside, I liked John Marshall. It’s not like Raider D-coordinators have a long enough leash to implement any scheme they see fit, so you’re basically looking for a guy who can make it work within the parameters that Al sets. Marshall seemed to do that pretty well, although Al obviously disagreed.
The same problems with the defense last season still exist, now they’re just going to be less aggressive. Hope I’m wrong, but we’ll see when the regular season rolls around.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:27 am
J Hill: There’s a difference between getting caught up in the game and drunkenly bellowing foul language non-stop. Especially when kids are around.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:28 am
245.YoungAmerican Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:26 am
Personally? 5-safety debacle aside, I liked John Marshall. It’s not like Raider D-coordinators have a long enough leash to implement any scheme they see fit, so you’re basically looking for a guy who can make it work within the parameters that Al sets. Marshall seemed to do that pretty well, although Al obviously disagreed.
The same problems with the defense last season still exist, now they’re just going to be less aggressive. Hope I’m wrong, but we’ll see when the regular season rolls around.
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Your absolutely spot on.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:30 am
the def looked scared to tackle/hit…
August 21st, 2011 at 9:31 am
#247: That worries me too. On certain alignments you could just see that power sweep coming.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:31 am
Our culture is pathetic.
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CanuckRaider Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:25 am
Kirk: Yeah, it’s getting to that point. The lowlifes are just getting too out of hand now. My buddies and I used to party it up at games but we didn’t start fights and we always kept it cool if kids were around.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:32 am
Make all the excuses you want for a pre season game, but coach Jackson is very disappointed in the loss.
http://www.csncalifornia.com/pages/video?PID=hXWM2-KDXteaDWuuE_qKwU5phardhjs3SXw_w8
August 21st, 2011 at 9:35 am
No argument there Mista. This total lack of manners, class and consideration permeates everything now. It’s not just sports.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:37 am
I am not worried about the O. The line will take some time to gel, but the running game will come back and the passing game should improve because of the time invested into it. The D, on the other hand, is being scheemed by a UFL coach using an 80 year old’s philisophy. We have DEs playing OLB, tons of young DBs, and safeties that have never played consistently well. The D is in huge trouble
August 21st, 2011 at 9:38 am
Bruce Campbell should only play when he masters the technique required to be a competent and professional OLineman.
Stop with the “beast” talk…that stuff don’t mean shhhhhh without the technique;
Fortunately, BC was drafted in the 4th round so there should be no pressure to hurry him into the lineup
August 21st, 2011 at 9:39 am
Yeah…I never want to see Wimbley one on one with the likes of Vernon Davis again.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:39 am
CanuckRaider Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:27 am
J Hill: There’s a difference between getting caught up in the game and drunkenly bellowing foul language non-stop. Especially when kids are around.
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i have no problem with foul language, I think thats a part of it, even if kids are around, if cant take the smell you shouldnt be a baker, as we have saying..
but fights/shoving and what worse has no place at a game… well that my 2 cents on the matter..
August 21st, 2011 at 9:40 am
LA Raider fans strike again…
August 21st, 2011 at 9:41 am
i dont mind cussing when used in good humor. but berating ill will is plain disgusting.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:42 am
B. Cambell was fiesty, nasty and appeared to hold his own.
Barksdale looked, imo, more posied than Barnes.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:42 am
Raide fans are low lives. Check you later. I’m going to score some blow.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:42 am
The difference between a perennial playoff team (Philly, Indy, Pittsburgh, etc) laying an egg during a preseason game, and the Raiders doing the same thing, is the strong teams know who they are and aren’t likely to view the loss as a setback. This team still doesn’t know who it is, hasn’t created a strong identity, and is battling nearly twenty years of futility. Oh, and did I mention they need to sell season tickets to remain competitive?
August 21st, 2011 at 9:44 am
LMN: As someone who has been going to games for 35+ years, I’d be a fool not to expect to hear F-bombs. I’m talking about a drunken lowlife who kept swearing at the top of his lungs for the whole game. If that sounds cool to you I just lost a lot of respect for you.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:46 am
drunkenly bellowing foul language non-stop. Especially when kids are around.
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I can agree with that.
Just would never surprise me to see a lot of that at a game. Not saying I agree with it, just saying it’s to the point where I expect it.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:46 am
Harbaugh can crow all he wants about how is team handled the Raiders, but it is just as much about how the Raiders let him do it. So don’t get to high on the niners JH, the Raiders right now aren’t the team to beat.
Raiders layed down for this one, plain and simple.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:48 am
Yeah, I never took them to another game. If they were older, fine. They’d have heard it all on the street anyway.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:48 am
I agree about bruce campbell, guy was out of position too many times…
August 21st, 2011 at 9:52 am
Actaully has a lot to do with why I haven’t been to a game in a few years now.
Last game I went to in SD, had a lot of drunken fans in the section, and it was all good until the beer started flying.
I’m not the type to sit quiet while you sling beer around. Damn near got real ugly.
It’s not that serious, so I haven’t been back since.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:52 am
At Everbank field they have a section called the family fun zone.
My buddies made a mistake of getting seats in this section not knowing it’s mostly kids and families. I try to be respectful around kids but my NY friends that attended, not so much. We went to see the Jags vs. Pitt for a sunday night game and was pretty toasted from the sun and tailgating all afternoon.
So next time i attend i’ll make sure to get seats near the BudZone the bar. I wish the Raiders were in town this season. I missed it last year.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:53 am
B Campbell has a lot of upside but he’s only in his second year and missed half of training camp, not to mention OTAs due to the lockout. They’ll put him in if, and when, he’s ready.
Time for lunch. Have a great one Nation!
August 21st, 2011 at 9:53 am
We have played two bad teams and gotten beaten. I hope getting DMac and Ford back helps this mess.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:54 am
Beast Campbell was never outta position.
Didn’t miss a block, didn’t give up a sack, and never got bull rushed.
Played well enough to enter the conversation as a starter.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:56 am
Campbell got stood up big time.
I don’t know what game you were watching.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:56 am
Tj you can say all you want about how these pre season games dont mean much, but listen to Hue and you’ll see he’s concerned. Personally, I think it is a lack of consistency Al hasn’t had in his coaching staffs over the years, and letting Marshall walk was not good. But he’s keeping players so now maybe he’ll keep coaches. Why do I even care about this team??????????????????????????????????????????????
August 21st, 2011 at 9:57 am
Jhill,
Need to see BC start with the ones.
Playing against 2nd team and marginal players means very little. If he’s showing the ability, Hue should put him with the real guys right now.
Not wait till week 3 where he has to learn on the job
August 21st, 2011 at 9:58 am
The only positive that can come out of last night’s game is that a lot of Raiders will realize that they played like pu**ies, be embarrassed by it, and not let it happen again.
Talk about scheme and playcalling all you want, but this team got punched in the mouth.
August 21st, 2011 at 9:58 am
Hear ya J Hill. If that yobo wasn’t with 3 or 4 buddies I would have invited him to a chat out on the ramp. And the “family zone” at our stadium is one of the worst sections. Tickets are cheap and everyone just smuggles booze in. Ah well…What can you do? Later…
August 21st, 2011 at 10:00 am
Charged Up! Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:42 am
Raide fans are low lives. Check you later. I’m going to score some blow.
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Uhhhhhh, score some blow? Who’s the low life?
August 21st, 2011 at 10:03 am
Watch Campbells reps again. He did a good job. He manhandled his guy and that play where the backer shot in for the loss wasn’t his fault. The LB wasn’t his guy.
Campbell should start.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:03 am
Not that it really matters cause there were enough mistakes to go around for a number of players.
I’m pretty sure B. Campbell ran right by a LB on a running play, blocking nobody. While the LB ran right by him to tackle our rb for no gain.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:06 am
I think the missed block that one sack by the 49ers LB was on Gordon, but I’d have to re-watch the game to confirm that.
Harralson beat Veldheer around the edge badly on that 4th down play. Ball should have left Campbell’s hand by then, but Veldheer definitely whiffed. Other than that play he did pretty well, but he’s going to have to show better concentration against pass-rushing LBs.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:07 am
watching campbell right now he is on the floor two consecutive times with no one around him, and the other time he was on top of the pile of a two yard loss…
August 21st, 2011 at 10:09 am
Ok I will give it a go! These games don’t mean much! We play like $#it aginst the 49ers early for the last 8 years in preseason. I think it means more to the 49ers than to us. They try to kill Oakland we don’t.
The Detroit Lions won all or most of their preseason games the same season they lost every game in the reular season making history.
Look at individual performers progress during the preseason. Look at the rythm of the QBs and the rookie play but that is about it. What I like about preseason is you get to see what non-starters can do who would usually be on the bench. Other than that I see most players trying to stay healthy for the regular season.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:09 am
sorry guys b campbell is gallery part two
August 21st, 2011 at 10:12 am
Sgt. Harrell said the first victim was found in the V section of the parking lot with “superficial facial wounds.” The other victim drove his pickup truck to just outside the main gate, hopped out, stumbled across the road and was treated for “two to four shots to the stomach.”
The second victim is in critical condition, according to Sgt. Harrell. That victim was wearing a white T-shirt that said: “F… you, Niners.” The suspect also was in Raiders attire, Sgt. Harrell said, and he was removed from a party bus
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Brien & friends, perhaps?
August 21st, 2011 at 10:13 am
CanuckRaider Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:44 am
LMN: As someone who has been going to games for 35+ years, I’d be a fool not to expect to hear F-bombs. I’m talking about a drunken lowlife who kept swearing at the top of his lungs for the whole game. If that sounds cool to you I just lost a lot of respect for you.
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Im not “cool” with it, but I expect it.. and as you said in another post, the kids have heard it all in the streets, movies, music and whatever..
my limit goes with bodily harm, even physical threats I expect, but only as empty words of course..
as an example, if one say a certain player should have a whooping some thing I expect it, but if a fan as much shove a fellow fan or threatens a fan or his family Im not okay with it..
August 21st, 2011 at 10:14 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:04 am
Well,I’ve vented for long enough.All I can say now is go NINERS.I hope these 1st two games aren’t any indication of what we’ll see when the real games start but 2-14 is now looking like reality.Maybe I’ll root for the BOLTS!!!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 10:21 am
# priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:23 am
The fortyniners scored at will on our 1st team defense and the rest of our defense you guys act like the world was coming to an end. LOL IT IS The RAIDERS just plain stink!
They kept their 3rd team offense in and our 1st team defense was long gone mentally! Might want to root for another team!!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 10:25 am
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August 21st, 2011 at 10:23 am
at our stadium, we have a section called BIF Kids, where all families are seated, or them that wants it.. nobody takes their kids to the “Sydsiden/Southside” where the fans are standing or actually jumping and singing for the entire game.. but nobody would be without the “southside” because they dictate the intensity of the 12th man..
that said, if you took your kid to the southside, they wouldnt do you harm, the intensity is just way up there, comparing to the rest of the stadium..
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August 21st, 2011 at 10:26 am
lol, im still not allowed to post stuff..
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August 21st, 2011 at 10:30 am
2 pre-season games, not too good. The 8-8 Raiders did noting with the roster in the off-season but lose 2 Pro-Bowlers. Depth appears shallow.
It’s all on you, Hue. Let’s hope, before Al rolls in, and drops his towell on the floor, Brien Bootlicker will be there to pick it up, before any feelings are hurt.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:31 am
281.olinesux Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:07 am
watching campbell right now he is on the floor two consecutive times with no one around him, and the other time he was on top of the pile of a two yard loss…
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When?
I’ll queue up the DVR and check it out now.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:38 am
Who ordered the CODE scarlet and gold?!?!
Haha.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:41 am
CODE WHITE TOWEL 2011!
August 21st, 2011 at 10:42 am
If DHB’s wonderlic is 14 whats is priesttj’s – 5 ?
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M Lonetree Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 9:17 am
DHB wonderlic – 14
August 21st, 2011 at 10:42 am
I hope the Offense can score a lot of points because were going to need them. The D looked slow and soft. Flatfooted and flacid.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:43 am
I wouldnt mind bringing in Pryor monday since campbell os down who else is there cut boller and keep Edwards but we could use pryor for wildcats and wildcat passes etc. But you never know how pryor will turn out in the NFL. I think he fell into our laps for monday based on cam injury i could be wrong but wee need our weapons for offense(mcfadden,Ford) so no need to panic and also missing tj another weapon and D.Moore…enough said and also missing murph so yeah no harm done or panic for me in a preseason game.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:44 am
Raiders gave up 239 yds on the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 10:47 am
If B. Cambell is Gallery Part Deux, that is fine by me.
Curious how others felt about Wiz’s performance?
Seth Wand all night at LT?
Barksdale all night at RT?
B. Mc Fadden looked like a six pack of suck.
Boyd and Goethel looked lost.
Groves at OLB is just sad.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:48 am
K2, was that update for those of us who cannot count?
August 21st, 2011 at 10:49 am
Did I just imagine things, or late in the first half was Barksdale playing LT for a few snaps?
August 21st, 2011 at 10:51 am
Folks, it is what it is….the Raiders are only into the 2nd year of any real stability….and there were roster changes that will take time to adjust too.
You should understand that the secondary is going to take a step back with Nnamdi gone…its up to the pass rush to step it up…the defense added more blitzing and I am sure they aren’t going to show everything in preseason.
The run defense will never be elite in Oakland. We just need competent…Henderson will get more snaps this year.
Relax…preseason game two in a shortened offseason
August 21st, 2011 at 10:52 am
Did Tim Ryan pronounce Veldheer like “velvadere”?
A new line of Vodka?
August 21st, 2011 at 10:53 am
Some observations:
1.) Loper and Barnes had a lot of trouble in pass protection. Veldheer and Carlisle both gave up plays, but were otherwise solid – need more consistency though. Satele was underwhelming, but didn’t make many glaring mistakes. It’s time to see if the young kids can give the Raiders a boost on the offensive line. Barksdale had a pretty good game. Wisniewski looked very active, particularly in pass protection.
2.) McClain (and the LB corps in general) had a really bad first couple of drives. For all the talk about the CBs needing to learn how to “pull the trigger”, McClain is the one who most needs to learn when to trust his gut, shoot a gap and make a play. Too often he was a split-second hesitation away from filling a gap in the running game, and it resulted in 5+ yards.
Makes me think that maybe McClain should be calling the defensive plays from WLB where he can still cover TEs and RBs, while focusing more on containing the edge by taking proper angles (something the coaching staff allegedly thinks he’s better at than shedding OGs and FBs on the inside). Considering how poor the edge containment has been, maybe moving McClain there would help the Raider defense. It would also allow Goethel to move into MLB – a spot he seems like a perfect fit for.
Maybe McClain is still learning and maturing, but if such a scenario has already “been floated within the organization”, it’ll be interesting to see how much patience the Raiders have.
3.) The defensive line NEEDS to play with more discipline. I’ve said it time and time again. As long as our defensive linemen are focused on shedding blockers and getting in the backfield, one-cut runners are going to have a field day with the defense. Happened again numerous times last night. OGs and FBs running free to take on the Raider linebackers – one block, a missed tackle by an out-of-position safety and it’s a huge play. Defensive line needs to hold their gaps and prevent the runner from cutting back.
4.) Matt Shaughnessy is a bad, bad man.
5.) Not too concerned about the lack of a running game in the preseason. Seems that the Raiders are playing it safe… But it looks like the WRs could actually be a strength of this team going forward. Have to see it carry over to the regular season, but if Moore keeps up his high level of play, DHB makes some strides, Ford has a big second season, and a healthy Murphy and Chaz contribute? The passing game will be much improved. Hagan has a real shot at making the team, especially if Moore takes the punt return duties away from Nick Miller.
6.) DVD is not ready. The kid is a project and needs to be treated as such. Great potential there, but the Raiders can’t force him into a role he’s not ready for or the defense is going to suffer for it. The Raiders missed out on adding another veteran corner, so CJ needs to stay healthy. Time to get Sterling Moore some first team reps if CJ is going to be out until the opener.
7.) Once again, Campbell needs to learn to be consistent. Defenses are going to try to pressure him, and he needs to learn to trust his receivers to be in the right place and make the tough throw with a defender or two in his face. Until he learns to do that, the offense’s performance is going to hit-or-miss. They’ll have some great games, and they’ll have some games where they can’t do anything. This game reminded me a whole lot of last season’s game against the 49ers. Unfortunately, the Raiders are prone to performances like this, which is why I can’t envision them doing any better than 8-8.
8.) For 2012, finding a QB who can be “THE guy” is essential. Get a veteran FA with some upside like Josh Johnson and draft a kid the coaching staff believes in. The only way the Raiders are going to find a franchise-caliber QB is through the draft. Luck, Jones, Barkley, Foles, Cousins, Lindley, and Griffin III could all be available to the Raiders. Personally, outside of Luck and Jones I’m very high on Ryan Lindley’s potential. Seems like a good fit for the Raiders, but we’ll see.
CB, OLB, and getting younger at DT should also be priorities for the future.
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This is assuming the Raiders and Al are logical in what they do and what they need to do. Nothing is gonna change until Al is gone (unfortunately).
August 21st, 2011 at 10:54 am
Curious at the player selection, not the score.
HJax is high on Scheuning in camp but played Parsons at LG for most of the night.
Huston as a DT seemed to amount to nothing.
Didn’t even think Wand was in the mox other than camp fodder.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:55 am
+5:30 min mark in 3rd q= b campbell whiffs
August 21st, 2011 at 10:57 am
gallery was a bust anyway u see it and if cantbell is anything like him, he sjouldnot be playing yet…
August 21st, 2011 at 10:57 am
olinesux,
perhaps Hue will shoot him at dawn…that would teach him to never do that again.
August 21st, 2011 at 10:58 am
299.Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:48 am
K2, was that update for those of us who cannot count?
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No, but it’shocking to me. 239 yds on the ground? In an area we have to improve?
August 21st, 2011 at 10:59 am
There are some freakin whiners and cry babies in here.
Go look at the pre season records of most playoff and Super Bowl winners throughout history. Then get back to the blog.
Pre Season wins and losses have absolutely NO BEARING on the outcome of the season! When will you all understand that.
I’m mad that I have to deal with the taunts of the SF Forty Ninnies, but other than that, like I said, I just want our team to get 99.999999% healthy and then let’s start this thing for real!
August 21st, 2011 at 11:02 am
Yup, and with 4th stringers averaging 5 yrds per carry.
Then again, Hill and Cumbie were in the middle with Bryant…seemed like the dogs were on and no one stayed home to stop the run.
Was like sad college ball.
Gallery was a solid but not spectacular player…I’d take that from a second year player with absolutly no pro game time under his belt.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:59 am
There are some freakin whiners and cry babies in here.
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August 21st, 2011 at 11:11 am
Davidon #303:
Good take and presentation. Well done.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:12 am
We need to get DMac and Ford back. And no more drills that let linebackers tee off on starting running backs.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:12 am
305.olinesux Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:55 am
+5:30 min mark in 3rd q= b campbell whiffs
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Interesting description.
The play was to the other side and Campbell dives at the ILB to take him outta pursuit. The LB stops to avoid Campbell’s block, but in doing so, takes himself out of the play from a pursuit angle.
The play gained about 9 yds, by the way.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:15 am
# KoolKell Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:59 am
There are some freakin whiners and cry babies in here.
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Kell clueless as usual….
August 21st, 2011 at 11:16 am
315.ArmChair GM Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:15 am
# KoolKell Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:59 am
There are some freakin whiners and cry babies in here.
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Kell clueless as usual….
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Bootlickers, blame the fans, as usual.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:17 am
Next play was a FB dive.
NT was over Wiz, dove to the LG side on the snap of the ball. Campbell was trying to double team him, but missed since the guy dove to the other side of the ball.
No one filled that gap from the niners so there was literally no one there for him to block.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:19 am
Whatz up homies? I was at the beach, got a little buzzed. Girls lookign goods. Whats up with you guys and you gagn baging atitudes? Grow up and uput the guns awya.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:21 am
Raiders are not good. You know, I know it, and they know it. Al Davis has got to get a GM, a legit GM. Anyone think otherwise is just lying to themselves.
Losing to the cross town rivals, who are not a very good football team, hurt us more that just a pre-season loss.
There was a time a month or so ago when my only concern for this team was game 3 of the pre-season. Well losing to the sf team changed all that. This is not a very good team right now. Do they have what it takes to get better? I don’t know.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am
Hagar the Horrible Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:11 am
Davidon #303:
Good take and presentation. Well done.
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Haha that was me, actually. Wouldn’t make a point of saying so but I spent way too much time writing that because I’m bored at work…
August 21st, 2011 at 11:24 am
Kell you’re one of biggest cry babies on here. You sing the same song on here every day. The ‘I hate Al Davis song.’
Well here’s a suggestion…..
Why not stop following the Raiders until Al Davis is no longer owner of the team….?
Cause that same song you sing every day is tired…
August 21st, 2011 at 11:25 am
318.Charged Up! Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:19 am
Whatz up homies? I was at the beach, got a little buzzed. Girls lookign goods. Whats up with you guys and you gagn baging atitudes? Grow up and uput the guns awya.
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Whatever you say MR. You tell that fat slob of a husband of mine he better drag his ass outta that low life bar and get his stinky ass home. The trash needs to be picked up in the yard, and the damn toilet has overflowed for the tenth time.
And if I find out he’s been giving you reach arounds again, I’ll rip off your knob too.
NOW GO AND BRIZZLE AND WATCH HIM GRIZZLE
August 21st, 2011 at 11:28 am
321.ArmChair GM Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:24 am
Kell you’re one of biggest cry babies on here. You sing the same song on here every day. The ‘I hate Al Davis song.’
Well here’s a suggestion…..
Why not stop following the Raiders until Al Davis is no longer owner of the team….?
Cause that same song you sing every day is tired…
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Here’s a suggestion for you, if you don’t like my song, log-pff or scroll past. My song is not changing until the Raiders change. Goodbye.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:28 am
On the next play, 3rd and 1, it’s Barksdale who misses his assignment and let’s the LB tackle our RB in the backfield.
Campbell is walling off the DT, who was nowhere near the play.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:29 am
ArmChair GM is spot on. Preseason is just a taste for our football fix, but it has no bearing on how a teams season is going to play out.
As for the story, two raider fans were shot by another raider fan is the way I understood it.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:30 am
No doubt,” Jackson said. “I mean, I made a statement that we wouldn’t get the ball run on us like that, and we did. That’s disappointing. The things that I want to see fixed that we talked about that I think we’ve shored up a little bit, being able to stop the run, being a little more consistent in the scoring zone, doing some things I think our football team is starting to do in practice, didn’t show up today in the game.
Read more:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/20/SPO41KQ2Q9.DTL#ixzz1Vgo5hMVf
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Ouch man, ouch.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:33 am
http://www.csncalifornia.com/08/20/11/img-srchttpcsnbayareacomcommonglobal_ima/landing_ratto_v3.html?blockID=551926&feedID=5885
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This article my good Raider fans is not for the faint of heart. Mr. Ratto calls it like he sees it.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:36 am
Jackson says ” We didn’t play Raiders ball”…. Ok, fair nuff… But it’s his job to get them playing Raider ball…come on Hue… We want to believe… Give us something to hang our hat on…..
August 21st, 2011 at 11:36 am
Memo,
there are aspects of pre-season that matter, that you can learn from. I agree the final score and the win loss record is irrelevant but when your 29th-ranked run defense struggles two weeks in a row because of the system and lack of free agent help, it’s troubling.
When your qb with a history of being soft and struggling with pressure looks overwhelmed, it’s a concern.
When you can’t find even three no-questions-about-it o line starters…
August 21st, 2011 at 11:37 am
As for the story, two raider fans were shot by another raider fan is the way I understood it.
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Brien Bootlicker, perhaps
August 21st, 2011 at 11:38 am
http://www.csncalifornia.com/08/20/11/bGutierrezb-Raiders-take-major-steps-bac/landing_gutierrez.html?blockID=551934&feedID=5885
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Its what is being said out there. Hope that pisses of the entire team so they show up and play against Oleans. I’ll be in Seattle for the game that day and give you a first hand report of what I see before and during the game. I hope by then they are oiled and gassed up and ready to roll. Because if a team sucks worse than the niners, you know its Seattle.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:38 am
Fingers, hue doesn.t have the roster talent on D or the philosophy to turn it around. Thats not his fault.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:42 am
http://www.csncalifornia.com/pages/video?PID=hXWM2-KDXteaDWuuE_qKwU5phardhjs3SXw_w8
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The Hue post game presser. See for yourself and tell me if you think there is a lot of confidence on this team right now. Hue won’t say it but ’something’ is in the air. Feel like I can almost put my finger on it.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
The 49ers good fortune was more of the Raiders doings. Don’t let your head get to big Niners, season ain’t here yet.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
The league ought to kick Al Davis and the RAIDERS OUT!!!!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 11:47 am
330.KoolKell Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:37 am
As for the story, two raider fans were shot by another raider fan is the way I understood it.
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Brien Bootlicker, perhaps
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B has been here this A.M. so your wishful and harmful and gloating thinking wasn’t him. Man I never seen a guy wish more harm and dirty things on someone than you. Leave the guy alone, and Al Davis too.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:48 am
# Down and out in Oakland Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
The 49ers good fortune was more of the Raiders playing the way they will all season. Don’t let your heads get big Niners, season over here.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:49 am
Is that you Brien Boot?
August 21st, 2011 at 11:51 am
335.dvrick Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
The league ought to kick Al Davis and the RAIDERS OUT!!!!!!
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Why? Cause of what happened last night after the game? That, idiot friend, is more of a social and economic issue, saddled with substance abuse and I’m sure the lack of security was due to budget cuts. If the NFL had any balls, they’d help out stadiums where security cuts occurred and help put a stop to this. They should have seen this coming.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:51 am
Man misery loves company…..
Bottom line is the Raiders came out flat in a televised practice game.
However the Ninnies still didn’t score AT ALL on our STARTERS. They scored on our backups…
Many of the players we saw will not even be on the team, or PLAYING, let alone starting. This is especially true on OFFENSE.
You Beeches(pun intended) keep crying yourselves a river….
I’ll be back when some grown men start posting….not these little cry babies I see in here.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:51 am
Ray Ratto is calling Jackson “Smiling Hue”. I don’t know about you guys, but that smacks of racism to me.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:53 am
Down and out in Oakland Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:30 am
No doubt,” Jackson said. “I mean, I made a statement that we wouldn’t get the ball run on us like that, and we did. That’s the way it will be all year. The things that I want to see fixed that we talked about that I think we’ve shored up, being able to stop the run, being a little more consistent in the scoring zone, doing some things I think our football team is starting to do in practice,showed up today in the game.Very pleased.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:53 am
341.Raider Ray Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:51 am
Ray Ratto is calling Jackson “Smiling Hue”. I don’t know about you guys, but that smacks of racism to me.
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Here comes MR and the race bait again.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:53 am
KoolKell Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:37 am
As for the story, two raider fans were shot by another raider fan is the way I understood it.
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Brien Bootlicker, perhaps
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I’ve only encountered him a bit. But he does seem like the type to do something like that.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:54 am
Howdy Massa Davis, my name is a Smilin Hue.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:55 am
# KoolKell Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
ArmChair GM Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:59 am
There are some freakin whiners and cry babies in here.Pick a new team to root for,things aren’t changing!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 11:56 am
342.dvrick Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:53 am
Down and out in Oakland Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:30 am
No doubt,” Jackson said. “I mean, I made a statement that we wouldn’t get the ball run on us like that, and we did. That’s the way it will be all year. The things that I want to see fixed that we talked about that I think we’ve shored up, being able to stop the run, being a little more consistent in the scoring zone, doing some things I think our football team is starting to do in practice,showed up today in the game.Very pleased.
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Whatever MR. Was Al Davis mean to you at one point in you life? What are you, about 40-45 yrs old or so? Are you one of his love childs? Good luck with that.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:57 am
preseason or not, the raiders got whipped up front.The defensive effort in the trenches was embarrassing.
August 21st, 2011 at 11:57 am
The REAL Raiders did not take part in last nights game. We were minus our playmakers like DMAC, Ford, Murphy. I guarantee you the outcome is different once these guys get on the field. A few things that stood out are:
-1st team D got worked on the ground although Boyd in the first unit is not for real. D-line NEEDS to get to the QB
-JC misses Boss in the endzone instead runs it. It’s preseason for him too. He’s thinking to himself right now how he missed a TD
-DAMN! Bush is slow. He had a couple runs where DMAC would have been gone. Thank god he falls forward every time he touches the ball
-What game were you guys watching??? Hue pulled the plug on the starters and anybody worth a look after JC got dinged. IT’S PRESEASON AND WE HAVE ENOUGH GUYS OUT ALREADY
-Did anybody see lil Wiz on the screen pass….Head on a swivel, get down field aaaaannnd whiff gets tripped up by the hashmark goes down to his knees. Gotta love the effort but couldn’t help but laugh
- Don’t dwell on this game for too long NATION, afterall these games don’t count and we are missing a number of key guys
August 21st, 2011 at 11:57 am
Down and out in Oakland Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:30 am
No doubt,” Jackson said. “I mean, I made a statement that we wouldn’t get the ball run on us like that, and we did. That’s the way it will be all year. The things that I want to see fixed that we talked about that I think we’ve shored up, being able to stop the run, being a little more consistent in the scoring zone, doing some things I think our football team is starting to do in practice,showed up today in the game.Very pleased with this performance,yes I amm!!
August 21st, 2011 at 11:59 am
# KoolKell Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 10:30 am
2 pre-season games, not too good. The 8-8 Raiders did noting with the roster in the off-season but lose 2 Pro-Bowlers. Depth appears shallow.
It’s all on you, Hue. Let’s hope, before Al rolls in, and drops his towell on the floor, Brien Bootlicker will be there to pick it up, before any feelings are hurt.
Look for Hue to get fired!!
August 21st, 2011 at 11:59 am
First off can we kick this charger jerk out of here.
Enough hating on DHB
Groves is terrible
I live in Manhattan life long raider fan not happy with the lack luster performance, don’t expect wins expect execution, there was none.
I still expect the team to be good this year.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Dvprick Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:20 am
If Al would have just helped me change my under wear when I was a lad I would feel so much better about myself.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:01 pm
# Whos on first Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:00 pm
If Al would have just helped me change my under wear when I was a lad I would feel so much better about myself.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:03 pm
One victim was wearing an anti-49ers slogan. The suspect was wearing Raiders attire.
So, doesn’t that mean this was Raider-on-Raider violence?
Move this team to London already. Oh wait . . .
August 21st, 2011 at 12:04 pm
ArmChair thye’ll never understand it they prefer to come in here and whine and cry all day because that feels better. I watched the game last night and it doesn’t bother me one bit……………..period
yeah I see some things that need to be done but they’re very doable. It’s not at all as bad as these guys are making it.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:05 pm
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dvrick Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:57 am
That’s the way it will be all year. The things that I want to see fixed that we talked about that I think we’ve shored up, being able to stop the run, being a little more consistent in the scoring zone, doing some things I think our football team is starting to do in practice,showed up today in the game. I am so very pleased, because my niners are very good. now I can go to sleep and not wet the bed any more, cause I am dvprick and your not.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Lots of excuses today. it don’t matter how you cut it our Raiders got their azzzezz kicked on both sides of the ball!
Now go back to Napa, lick yer wounds, and get back to work! There is PLENTY to do!
August 21st, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Watching the game on my DVR for the 2nd time. Can’t believe how terrible Groves looks on almost every play. We need to pick up Tatupu, move him to weakside, and fast.
If Groves, Williams, Ware, or Boyd makes the roster and Moore doesn’t, it’ll be a f’n travesty.
…and not sure who said it in here first, but whoever mentioned Wiz not being out there with the first team O is exactly what I’m tripping off of. Everyone to the right of Veldheer is easily replaceable. Hopefully they let the youngsters get a crack at it the beginning of next game.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:07 pm
356.priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:04 pm
ArmChair thye’ll never understand it they prefer to come in here and whine and cry all day because that feels better. I watched the game last night and it doesn’t bother me one bit……………..period
yeah I see some things that need to be done but they’re very doable. It’s not at all as bad as these guys are making it.
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The situation is brutal, its an alarming concern on both sides of the ball. Hue even said so. Quit tryin to sugar coat it. It is what it is………period
August 21st, 2011 at 12:09 pm
I wasn’t much of a Cable fan. But he did have one thing going for him. I bet the players were scared of him. They never new when he might just smack up in the face. Sometimes you have to get rough and be feared if you want people to do what you want. I’m a cop, I should know.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:10 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:04 pm
ArmChair thye’ll never understand it they prefer to come in here and whine and cry all day because that feels better. I watched the game last night and it doesn’t bother me one bit……………..period
yeah I see some things that need to be done but they’re very doable. It’s not at all as bad as these guys are making it.
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Right on Priest. I still challenge these fools to go and look at the the pre season records of all of the SB winners and playoff teams throughout history.
And then come back and report how many of these Playoff teams had winning pre season records….
That would be an interesting and very tell tale sign, but I can assure you that these complaining cowards won’t do it!
August 21st, 2011 at 12:14 pm
If you want to reduce chances of violence, get good tickets. You dont see any of this nonsense during the game or following you out when you sit near the 50 with people that have a little more money.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:18 pm
I think the real issue is that the fans, especially the older ones, are just tired of losing – no matter whether it counts or not. We’ve waited so long to return to respectability that a lose like this is Not what we wanted or expected. To make matters worse it was the Niners who are supposed to be an inferior team. Topping it all off, it wasn’t even close. They owned our ass in all 3 areas – offense, defense & ST.
I’m sorry but that’s just unacceptable. On paper we look like gold. On the field we look like crap. It’s just a tough pill to swallow. Battle of the By my ass. It was a mugging and it was our pants that got dropped. HuJack had better be chewing out a lot of ass. They may dress like Raiders but they sure as hell didn’t look or play like the real deal last night.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:18 pm
ArmChair they prefer to be mad because we lost to the niners and they know the niners stink so they’re all butt hurt because they feel it shouldn’t have happened. While I’m not glad it happened I am looking at it positively because I know they will be able to coach off it. The players will be more attentive and the coaches can use it on them.
Hue Jackson is embarrassed more than anything he knows this crap doesn’t matter one bit. Hue wants to win yes but if he wanted to win that bad there is no way he coached the way he did. He took the starters out with 10 minutes to play in the 2nd qrtr. Who does that if they want to win??? huh??
Those guys who play in the 3rd and 4th qrtr wont be on this team in one week. Why should I care how they played MikBush didn’t even put the hammer down. he held out TJ and the kid is healthy. He held out Chaz and he’s healthy. Hue wants to be able to coach these guys a certain way and it’s working they’re getting their butts chewed by everyone and Hue knows this stuff doesn’t get serious for another 3 weeks. But now he can chew their butts and rightfully so.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Wonder which RBs get cut this year. Rankin should be fine along with Jones. Bennett will probably get the axe, and the new kickoff rule might actually hurt Cartwright’s chances a lot being he was one of our kickoff coverage studs and that part of the game is damn near non-existent now with Seabass kicking off.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Armchair, you ignore posts that shoot holes in your theory. It’s not about pre season records. It’s about losing battles in the trenches week in and week out for 9 years now, preseason and real season.
That doesn’t magically get fixed.
It’s about seeing how bad your linebackers are at stopping the run, preseason and real season.
It’s about realizing your qb is bottom 15 in the nfl, preseason and regular.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
JB now that is honest………….finally an honest man. It was the niners and you guys are pissed…………….period
August 21st, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Lol priestt,
the linebackers missing tackles every quarter will be on our team and playing.
The lb who is really a situational pass rusher WILL continue losing 1 on 1 match ups with TEs.
Our veteran QB who folds under pressure in preseason and reg. season, even with all starters on the field, WILL be out there.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Watched on a nice link.
DHB’s two catches looked good. He wasn’t fighting the ball into his hands, he actually looked like a normal WR, which is good.
Hagan, I think has a decent shot at making the team.
Now, onto Tyvon Branch. Man, where do our guys learn to tackle? Dude plays SS, and all he tries to do is grab at jersey sleeves or shoulder pads. Line a guy up and drive through the damn target. His tackling skills are similar to the times I’m chasing my girl around the living room pinching at her a$$.
We have had so many safeties that can not tackle. WTF is up with that??????
Where is MM34???????
August 21st, 2011 at 12:29 pm
New englander,
Thats what happens when you draft athletes instead of football players.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:31 pm
What the FOOK was that yesterday? There is no way to sugar coat that. lst issue is it looks like Hue Jackson is in waaaay over his head. So he can’t make the right call on kickoffs in his NFL debut. That’s disconcerting but OK, he can have a mulligan on that. But yesterday it looked like when that team was told they were going over to the 49ers house for a game, they thought they were going over to play Xbox, not an NFL game against a desperate team trying to prove something. That was pathetic.
To win in this league you better have a Q that can take a game over if things start to go awry. Jason Campbell will not do that. For whatever reason.
Yesterday this team got beat in the trenches HARD. Did Jackson say build a bully or build a sissy? I forget after yesterday.
At least Tyvon, Tommie Kelly, Matt Shaunessy, came to play otherwise that would have been REALLY UGLY. The Raider 2ndary did not look good. I am trying to find some real positives here, but not seeing any other than the obvious ones in Denarius Moore, and Wiz 2.0 did ok.
As I have said in here over the years you better have week to week improvement. Otherwise you get left behind reeeeaaal fast. The Whiners had a week to week improvement. We were on the bus looking for our Xboxes.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Loosing a pre season game is never a big deal. BUT anytime you lose a game like that it is a VERY big deal!
We got our faces smashed in!
Fix it Hue. Now or you’ll be gone in a Brockton Massachusetts minute!
August 21st, 2011 at 12:34 pm
I guess i just look at things much different than most do. I’m exstatic the DHB is doing what I said he would be because that makes this team dangerous. I know when DMC gets in there it’s gonna be on. Bush is just waiting until he can cut loose.
When I was reading in here before I watched the game I thought Camp played horrible only to find out he looked good. he had that one brain fart but was very accurate when he threw it. The rest of the game Boller looked bad but had some good throws. And my biggest concern was I right about DVD and I am. That kid is going to be special. The outcome of this game I couldn’t care less. We didn’t play anybody if TJ had played and looked bad I would be concerned he didn’t even play.
So why should I be mad I was watching Rock Cartwright at HB what did you guys think would happen……LOL Come on man we didn’t play anybody. Let them win if that makes them happy. I want to win the AFC West if we can do that this crap is just that CRAP!!…………period
August 21st, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Draft PBuc instead of ed reed, huff instead of ngata, gallery instead of fitzgerald (because fitz was too slow), Jruss’s arm instead of a real football player.
The entire system, from drafting to developing, coaching, d-scheme is broken.
Can’t fix that with same guy calling the shots.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Priestt, the way you’ve been looking at things is positively despite the worst 7-year run in nfl history, and a 2-8 record outside our weak division last year.
Isn’t hard to see your view is tainted.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:40 pm
A lot of these guys in here are “Drama Queens” everything is the sky is falling. Man get a grip!!
August 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Yeah crybaby just suck the pacifier and shut up
August 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Brockton Mass huh?
That is where Davis camr from eh? About 25 miles due north of me…
Seymour Bush
You really think Branch came to play??? I think the dude is a HORRIBLE tackler. From what I seen, he was grabbing and hugging arms and shoulders. Not exactly technically sound IMHO
August 21st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Yeah, things are going to be fine! Ha, our history proves it!
Just look at those cob-webbed 30 year old trophies over there!
Be real.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:47 pm
alex7 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Armchair, you ignore posts that shoot holes in your theory. It’s not about pre season records. It’s about losing battles in the trenches week in and week out for 9 years now, preseason and real season.
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So I get it…we are ALL frustrated about the past 8 years since the SB loss to Tampa Bay!
But to take all that frustration and attempt to place it on yesterday’s game is ridiculous…
If anyone can sit here and honestly say that they saw our FIRST TEAM offense and defense get MANHANDLED by the Forty Ninnies, then you are obviously snorting, smoking, and injecting every drug that is sold in Oakland…
August 21st, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:40 pm
A lot of these guys in here are “Drama Queens” everything is the sky is falling. Man get a grip!!
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I couldn’t agree more. Too many “Chicken Littles” in here.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Here we go again. Can anybody really take another year of the realists vs. the gullible on this god forsaken blog?
This team can’t afford the luxury of waiting until the last minute to start gelling. It needs to start now to maintain whatever momentum was created last year. And because the identity of the team is still taking shape. For teams with strong identities, these games are largely meaningless. Not for the Raiders.
I urge fellow realists to watch the Browns this year (I live in Cleveland, but am not a Browns fan). Franchise has been very similar to the Raiders over the past 15 years or so. Struggling mightily to regain respectability, coaching turnover, lack of leadership at the top, etc. You know the story.
But two years ago the owner, not a football man by any means, finally wised up and brought in Mike Holmgren to be GM. Holmgren oversaw the drafting of Colt McCoy and hired Pat Schurmur to install the same West Coast offense that Holmgren ran at GB. The team still has holes, and nobody expects a miracle, but by golly you watch this team surpass the Raiders this year in terms of progress and you’ll bloody well know why. They’ve looked very impressive in the preseason this year. The point is, young improving teams need to show demonstrable progress during the preseason and to suggest otherwise is to delude yourself.
You don’t think the young players on the Raiders aren’t bothered by last night’s performance? Wondering what’s in store for the team this year? You think that doubt is a good thing? I think you’re effin off your rocker.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Now I will admit to this that I think this team may take 3-4 games to reaally hit stride. Due to the way training camp is being run. The Lockout you can see the progress is way retarded from a normal year. Hue is running thewse guys ragged in camp it’s obvious from the camp legs. They are sluggish and slow to react. That use dto be normal in the NFL before these long offseason programs started. Preseason games guys wh=ould be running in mud. I saw that last week and again this week a bunch of dead legs. So it may be that we don’t hit stride until the 5th game. That’s where the phrase midseason form comes from. Because in the old days it used to take guys until the 3-4th game to really be in top game shape. Thus midseason form.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:50 pm
priest jc made more than 1 bad decision and that one was critical. he missed a td twice in one play to boss. he also missed dhb on a corner route wide open when he overthrew moore in the endzone. thats another
missed td. he had dhb on a quick slant with inside position on 4th down and just watched him and then took a sack. thats another missed td. he just has this presence of a loser. he doesnt play fast at all. he has to prove that he can lead a team without his best players. the chances were there for him to do that and he missed. enuff of the positive bs. hue is pissed at this teams performance.we see the same things u see but arent blinded by optimism. i dont believe this means we will be bad but it was too much of the same bad sh!t weve seen enuff of.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:52 pm
MikeMitchell34 To those who keep asking ill be ready when it counts.
about 3 hours ago
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Hope so
August 21st, 2011 at 12:54 pm
i dont like hue being so unsettled on the oline. its too much like cable was. the whiners made their 2 rookies the starters and never looked back. if wiz and barksdale are so good in practice then they should start every game from here on out. no need to fugg with barnes and loper. im sick of all the talk with no results. we also need to let certain guys play more. sterling moore needs to play ahead of dvd and the others. he fits the bully mentality much more. bcampbell should play more now to get up to speed. i dont belive we are playing our best players when we need to.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
excellent ohio raider.
exactly the same way the falcons and chiefs rebuilt by bringing in smart men upstairs and went from last to first.
The blueprint isn’t difficult, our guy is just too proud to do it.
Ravens did it awhile back, browns and lions are doing it now.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:57 pm
we lost.
I’m sure Hue is taking down copious amounts of advice from the fans on this blog and will implemement those changes ASAP.
And despite the brutal defeat last night, 100% of you will watch next weeks game and provide more expert advice…this loss won’t change your mind to root for another team…It just gives many of you a platform to decry “The sky is falling.
Very typical of the common slack jawed trogladyte.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Jerrymcd Most disheartening for defense _ 49ers gained steady yards on the ground no matter who was carrying the ball. First-team D shredded.
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Even our former fearless leader thought the run D resembled a pile of steaming dog crap
August 21st, 2011 at 12:59 pm
909
Indeed it did.
But not only is the season not over; the season hasn’t even yet begun.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Jerrymcd Jason Campbell’s stats good, but even he didn’t get rid of ball quick enough. Offense that looked on time during practice was anything but
about 12 hours ago
August 21st, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Charged Up! Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 7:27 am
On a happier note. My band played a great show last night. I think we are getting closer and closer to a major label deal. Keep on rocking!
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Cool dude, don’t go fighting Ticket Master
August 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Armond I’m sure he did sir, my comment was when he did throw it he was very accurate now I never said anything about his reads. He didn’t see a few things so how is that not normal for every QB? he needed to get the ball out. He’s not going to see everything every snap. If he saw DHB it looks like he would’ve hit him accurately because he was throwing darts.
I think he needed to play longer and Hue has got to get him in there for at least 6 qrtrs before we tee it up in reg. season. Because he’s a tad rusty but the guys is making stick throws. That was my comment…
Armond we have played two preseason games with NO OFFSEASON what about that don’t you guys understand?? hue is NOT clairvoyant he’s learning these players as fast as he can. he has to let guys play to make determinations about is this guy consistent over that guy. There is a lot on film that he sees and wants to see more of a certain kid. He cannot WORRY about some STUPID ” Battle of the BAY” he has a season to prepare for. It takes snaps in games ot amke determinations.
This is not normal year he’s only had these guys 4 weeks so far that IT…………what the hell do you guys want from him. A SUPER BOWL TEAM with no wya to see who can and who cannot play????
Come on man you guys have to have some degree of realism there are some positive things and the negatives need to be dealt with but it’s been FOUR WEEKS……….man!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
alex7 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
excellent ohio raider.
exactly the same way the falcons and chiefs rebuilt by bringing in smart men upstairs and went from last to first.
The blueprint isn’t difficult, our guy is just too proud to do it.
Ravens did it awhile back, browns and lions are doing it now.
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Yep. Need to replace “Pride & Poise” with “Too Proud & Stubborn.”
I’ll chip in for a banner if you live in the Bay area.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Way to adjust your expert opinion on the fly tj….lol
By the way whats your wonderlic score 5-7 ?
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Priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Now I will admit to this that I think this team may take 3-4 games to reaally hit stride.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:06 pm
The Season is not over: Hell, it hasn’t even officially begun!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Lowdown….
I’m not running to Home Depot to buy concrete, and rebar to fortify the roof of my house, to keep the sky from caving it in….
But, the run D was abused last night. And that is cause some some alarm amongst us semi-pros, in light of all the HueJack talk of building a bully…
Run D still looked like the dork kid who always gets his lunch money stolen by the tough girls at school….
August 21st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
I could care less about the final score in the pre season.
My main thing is not producing TD’s, especially in the red zone from the starting unit. Seems they sputter and make stupid mistakes, rather than going for the throat.
I’m sick of hearing the Ooohs, Aaahhhs, and Wows during practice. Pre season is a time to work out kinks, but it’s also a time to show what you got.
So far the O hasn’t showed me anything. You don’t win ball games with only field goals.
Vanilla ice cream or not Hue, talk is cheap. Get these guys in the end zone!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Spoken like a true marxist/socialist libtard that voted for hope & change.
Its called free market enterprise. He owns wants to own a franchise can own one. Only a left wing nutjob like you would suggest the NFL kick him out. Moron, this isnt grammar school dodge ball this is the NFL, free market & capitalism BABY!!
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Dvrick Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
The league ought to kick Al Davis and the RAIDERS OUT!!!!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Run D looked bad. How bad? It looked I was out there trying to stop MR.
That being said, I have yet to panic and buy Sky Insurance.
One of you geeks look up all the positive comments made on this blog the year Art Shell whooped butt during preseason.
Lastly, “whatever”.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
-Just like JaMeatloaf was going to hit his stride.
-Just like DHB is going to hit his stride.
-Just like Fargas was a world class RB
-Just like we dont need DMAC and his skinny legs
-Just like T Cable = J Madden
*Just to name a few of yours*
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Priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Now I will admit to this that I think this team may take 3-4 games to reaally hit stride.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Man you guys need to take a chill pill………This is not a normal year give the guy a chance to find his ass will ya’
August 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Dvrick Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
The league ought to kick Al Davis and the RAIDERS OUT!!!!!!
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If I ever see you in Los Alamos, I’ll kick your teeth out. You understand punk?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Armond, 2 excellent comments.Also on the sack near the goal-line,if JC steps up to his left there are no red jerseys around.He stepped right into the defender.As i said last night,pick the best Oline and let them play.If the line we are throwing out there now is our best line,we are in big trouble.Finally,get rid of Groves-he is pathetic.Whether it is Goethel or someone else put them in now.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Tyvon can certainly play New Englandraider. Problem is it is hard to tackle dudes who have already blown thru your front seven and are coming at you with a full head of steam. (see Huff, Michael)
August 21st, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Mark the date: October 16. Raiders vs. Browns. Will be very interesting. You will learn much about the direction of these two franchises from this game. I hope the Raiders prove me wrong.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
You guys are going to be very very very frustrated because you’re expecting miracles. No coach can start in this year and produce anything near waht his potential is under these circumstances. There were no minicamps no OTA’s and a short training camp. What did you expect???
All I care about is we do have the game. Next I care about how we develope throughout the year. I know we have players but we have to assimilate them as coaches that is real it’s not an excuse. Right now Bruce Campbell may not be ready but by midseasonn he may be the best OG we have. The same is true at other positions. This thing will change as the year plays out because we didn’t have the offseason these coaches will see things 6 weeks from now from a player that they aren’t seeing NOW. It’s reality then they will make a move to improve. It will be happening all over the league because of this abnormal year.
Fans have to be patient and expect things to unfold as they play the season we all should know that if you don’t then you are not being realistic…………..period
August 21st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
I’m off to the Art and Soul festival talk later.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
MistaBrown Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Spoken like a true marxist/socialist libtard that voted for hope & change.
Its called free market enterprise. He owns wants to own a franchise can own one.
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“He owns wants to own a franchise can own one”. What the fook is this idiot saying? Can someone translate this for me? I don’t speak gibberish.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:22 pm
tj, whats your highest wonderlic score?
6 ?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:23 pm
What I will say is, our OLB position is more f\/ck-ed than a wh()re at closing time….
August 21st, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
I’m off to the Art and Soul festival talk later.
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What are you some kind of hippy?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:25 pm
*Its called free market enterprise. He *who* wants to own a franchise can own one.
Sorry for the typo SeymourGlenn666JustWinDebo, better now? Even a moron like you can understand now!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:27 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
I’m off to the Art and Soul festival talk later.
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Me too Priest. I live right up the street from it…See you there maybe.
Oakland Raiders 4 Life.
Babies need not apply!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Don’t the NFL owners have profit sharing? That doesn’t sound like free enterprise to me.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Priest, Hue Jackson said he was building a bully. Didn’t see much of that bully yesterday, unless he meant he was making the Niners a bully.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:29 pm
ohioraider Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
alex7 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
excellent ohio raider.
exactly the same way the falcons and chiefs rebuilt by bringing in smart men upstairs and went from last to first.
The blueprint isn’t difficult, our guy is just too proud to do it.
Ravens did it awhile back, browns and lions are doing it now.
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Yep. Need to replace “Pride & Poise” with “Too Proud & Stubborn.”
I’ll chip in for a banner if you live in the Bay area.
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Points well written … hope it doesn’t come to that … hoping for one more championship under the grand old man of the AFL … but, the times – they are a’changin’!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:29 pm
tj is the George Jefferson lookalike you cant miss him. Especially if he opens up his mouth.
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ArmChair GM Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:27 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
I’m off to the Art and Soul festival talk later.
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Me too Priest. I live right up the street from it…See you there maybe.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:30 pm
The same unfettered free market capitalism that caused a real estate bubble to burst after all these Wall Street bankers got uber wealthy and now requires a tax payer bailout all of us are paying for? I hope you have tens of millions of dollars in gold bullion. Otherwise you are their dupe.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Hope that the injured fans are okay … I like to talk a lot of smack, but when it comes right down to it – it’s only football!!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:32 pm
MistaBrown for President!
Code Brown 2012
August 21st, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:30 pm
The same unfettered free market capitalism that caused a real estate bubble to burst after all these Wall Street bankers got uber wealthy and now requires a tax payer bailout all of us are paying for? I hope you have tens of millions of dollars in gold bullion. Otherwise you are their dupe.
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If you don’t like it, move to Cuba commie.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:30 pm
The same unfettered free market capitalism that caused a real estate bubble to burst after all these Wall Street bankers got uber wealthy and now requires a tax payer bailout all of us are paying for? I hope you have tens of millions of dollars in gold bullion. Otherwise you are their dupe.
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No, I’ve just got tens of millions of dollars in good lawyers — WTF!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Alex 7, thank you for your comments. You set this blog straight.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Raider Ray for Vice President!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm
priest u are sayin things about campbell like it will be cured over time. this is what people have said for 7 years about him. dont u get this is who he is until he changes it? hue said that the raiders are in the same boat as every other team in the nfl. spare me the work miracles and learning crap. we arent asking for miracles. im tired of hearing how jc needs to feel comfortable for the simplest of things. he is a veteran and he still needs to be coddled? dude is soft. actually hue does care about some stupid battle of the bay. didnt u catch all of his comments during the week? i care more about making progress win or lose in the preseason. this was a big step back. if they play the opposite way against the saints then that will be good. i just think u are trying to be 2 smart about something thats really simple. its not complicated to see that the so called bully was bullied. go ask the team how they feel about yesterday. im sure they would disagree with u.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Don’t forget, Seymour, the same free market that gave the other half of our treasury to private war contractors and friends of Bush, only so bin Ladin could prance around in the desert and make them look stupid for a decade. Then, O-bama comes in and takes bin Laden out. And Guiliani said O-bama would be weak on terror. HA ha ha! He did in two years what Bush couldn’t do in 8.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Is JC an upgrade over JaMarcus? Definitely. Is he an upgrade over Gradkowski? Depends on which one we are talking about — the rugged, inspiring warrior, or the fragile glassblower. Is he the answer in Oakland? Hardly.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
428. You really are dumb.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Raider Ray for Vice President!
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Thanks man. I think that would make a great ticket. Mista Brown and Raider Ray in 2012. My first order of business would be to deport all the illegal immigrants.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:39 pm
You have my vote.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Bush couldn’t do in 8.
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Hey man, don’t talk bad about Bush … I LOVE me some Bush (as long as it’s well cleaned and well-groomed!)
August 21st, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Make me Sec of Def and i will get all our boy home with a victory.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:40 pm
priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
You guys are going to be very very very frustrated because you’re expecting miracles. No coach can start in this year and produce anything near waht his potential is under these circumstances. There were no minicamps no OTA’s and a short training camp. What did you expect???
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No coach can? You act like Hue was the only coach that didn’t have minicamps and OTAs.
We expected to not get the trenches on both sides of the ball pushed around like they were a pop warner squad.
Your Al Davis colored glasses are hilarious.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
I wasn’t talking about that kind of bush, Raidertbone. I was referring to the surname of the family that ruined this country.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Raiders 16-0 & SB Champs…this is my goal, until proven otherwise.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
GForce21 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:40 pm
priesttj Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
You guys are going to be very very very frustrated because you’re expecting miracles. No coach can start in this year and produce anything near waht his potential is under these circumstances. There were no minicamps no OTA’s and a short training camp. What did you expect???
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No coach can? You act like Hue was the only coach that didn’t have minicamps and OTAs.
We expected to not get the trenches on both sides of the ball pushed around like they were a pop warner squad.
Your Al Davis colored glasses are hilarious.
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Chalk up Saturday as a very, very, VERY bad practice!!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:43 pm
lefty i really like the team we are putting 2gether but its far from complete. i do believe this is when stars shine. jc has to elevate his game to make the wrs better. otherwise he be just like cassel was last year. i want a qb who makes plays to win and not rely on teammates to do it all for them. thats why i like pryor even tho u dont.qbs need to have a swagger that lets his teammates know that he will do all it takes to win and then back it up. it seems to me jc has to convince himself that he can play which scares me. he always has that “i think i can, i think i can” look on his face.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Armond,I like Priests optimism,but he is going overboard after yesterday.JC looks exactly like the same guy we saw last year and the skins saw for many years before that.He is slow in his decision making and often makes bad ones.Admitting he saw a wide open Boss in the end zone and decided not to throw it is troubling. BTW,anyone see the headlines this morning that the Republicans want to RAISE taxes on the poor and middle class working families?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Raider Ray Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
My first order of business would be to deport all the illegal immigrants.
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lol. As if you have a second order of business. That’s the story with you Republicans anymore. Knee jerk reactions to unfounded paranoia, no plan for the country’s real problems.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
I wasn’t talking about that kind of bush, Raidertbone. I was referring to the surname of the family that ruined this country.
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You can’t blame that all on George W. You have to go back a lot farther than that. I seem to recall a particular Democrat in 1977 who was a very good man, but led us into financial turmoil and international pessimism and indecisiveness – lives were lost and an entirely new political regime was ushered in, as a result.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
VittorioTafur 4-year-old asked me if Raiders won. I said no. She said “Maybe they were just practicing”
4 minutes ago
August 21st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
I’ll give in just once.
1) Raiders
2) Bush and all other presidents since Teddy R.
3) Dems and Repubs both corrupt and suck.
4) Anyone over 50 needs to be imprisoned for voting for frauds for 30 years.
5) Only thing that usx worse than a dem or repub are the lunitics who avidly support one side or the other.
6) Raiders
August 21st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
2) Bush and all other presidents since Teddy R. suck!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
I would certainly take a chance on Pryor, get rid of Boller, keep #5 as the backup, and work to develop the young kid — I see a lot of promise in him.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Lefty, isn’t it puzzling that in a country with rising unemployment, the Republican solution is to fire more people?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Repubs suck.
Dems suck.
Both of your are on losing teams…
Kind like the Raiders.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Lowdown,
We had the best economy in our nation’s history when Clinton was president. Republican presidents have sucked a lot more than Democrats, speaking to your logic.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
T-bone get some Bush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFGyq1xcKEU&feature=related
August 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Raider Ray Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:32 pm
If you don’t like it, move to Cuba commie.
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
428. You really are dumb.
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Classic. When confronted with indisputable facts and logic here comes the name calling and temper tantrums. Try ugga bugga gllenjde homp!!! next time. It comes across more intelligently.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
I’ll give in just once.
1) Raiders
2) Bush and all other presidents since Teddy R.
3) Dems and Repubs both corrupt and suck.
4) Anyone over 50 needs to be imprisoned for voting for frauds for 30 years.
5) Only thing that usx worse than a dem or repub are the lunitics who avidly support one side or the other.
6) Raiders
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This explains why you are “lowdown in Beijing”!!!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
And I am talking Thai wh0re kinda suk.
K2 can tell you what that’s like…it’s majr suk.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Oh, I still keep my pad in Alameda…but ain’t about to give you any more tax dollars here or to die hard in washington dc to blow on wall street or some scum on International Blvd.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Raidertbone,
How did Jimmy Carter lead us into financial turmoil?
“international pessimism”? lol. Could you elaborate on that?
August 21st, 2011 at 1:50 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
T-bone get some Bush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFGyq1xcKEU&feature=related
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Thanks. I was doin’ just find until some little wise-ass went and grabbed my monkey balls!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:52 pm
LOL!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:52 pm
raidertbone Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
You can’t blame that all on George W. You have to go back a lot farther than that. I seem to recall a particular Democrat in 1977 who was a very good man, but led us into financial turmoil and international pessimism and indecisiveness – lives were lost and an entirely new political regime was ushered in, as a result.
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You cannot blame the current state of the nation on 4 years of Jimmy Carter, after 7 Years of Nixon sandwiched between 8 years of Reagan. Go back to those regimes and you can clearly see why the US is in the state that it is. Those conservative policies are consistently poor economic drivers and have been for thousands of years. There is no denying this.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:53 pm
That video cracks me up. “Just washed it this mornin!”
August 21st, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Armond,the problem I have with Pryor as a player only, is no NFL evaluators or scouts see the guy as a pro QB.They can’t all be wrong.If it was 50/50 it would be a different story.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Both parties suck. This is true.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Raidertbone,
How did Jimmy Carter lead us into financial turmoil?
“international pessimism”? lol. Could you elaborate on that?
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1. Sadat – Begin: had no business diverting financial problems at home with a peace accord that had no chance of succeeding (that the U.S. had no business brokering);
2. Paying no attention to the growing unrest in Russia, resulting in the invasion into Afghanistan;
3. Botched rescue mission of the Iran hostages, resulting in lives lost and loss of confidence in the administration.
4. Do you remember the interest rates at the time?
(I’m only bringing all of this up because you questioned my knowledge)
… now, go back to football, where you stand a better chance of going toe-to-toe!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:54 pm
We suck. I’m in panic mode. Hope Hue and Al Davis are. Be real ya’ll, we should handed the niners a stuffin but could not do it. I am fking concerned.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:56 pm
T it’s useless with guys like this. I don’t even bother.
Conservatives will take it back and even as these guys prosper under conservative values and government they will still complain things are too good.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:52 pm
raidertbone Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
You can’t blame that all on George W. You have to go back a lot farther than that. I seem to recall a particular Democrat in 1977 who was a very good man, but led us into financial turmoil and international pessimism and indecisiveness – lives were lost and an entirely new political regime was ushered in, as a result.
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You cannot blame the current state of the nation on 4 years of Jimmy Carter, after 7 Years of Nixon sandwiched between 8 years of Reagan. Go back to those regimes and you can clearly see why the US is in the state that it is. Those conservative policies are consistently poor economic drivers and have been for thousands of years. There is no denying this.
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Not blaming it ALL on Carter … just like you can’t blame it ALL on Bush – touche!
August 21st, 2011 at 1:58 pm
You haven’t seen the future lefty12 I have, this is a new day. These guys are going to terriorize the NFL with their play and those who have one will be better off than those who don’t. Trust me!!
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This one so hillarious I’m sure he said it to lighten the load and bring a little cheer after the butt waxing we got last night. No need to name names.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Okay, enough politics – I’m starting to sound like Rush Limbaugh (may the Lord strike me down dead this very minute!) Back to the Raiders — looking for an inspired week of practices, and a better showing next week (I haven’t seen the whole game yet – NFL Network re-airs it later this evening)
August 21st, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Well, tbone, I’m not here to go “toe to toe” with anyone, especially with clearly Reapublican-spun commentary on past events.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Dvrick wears tampons. For the pleasure. Sick.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Get Pryor!! He is hilarious.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
tbone,
Bush gutted our treasury and gave everything to defense contractors and banks. You can blame that on Bush. He did it. Period. And, it’s far worse than those hair splitting complaints you had over Carter.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Sullivan44, what you say you and I meet somewhere and talk polotics, have a drink and then go get a room for some man love? Would you like that?
August 21st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Don, when has this country ever prospered under conservative values?
August 21st, 2011 at 2:06 pm
So did Obummer. No matter what he says about the rich and there privet jets.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Since it started.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:07 pm
At least O-bama is bringing results. He’s ending Iraq, and killed bin Laden. I’m not against spending money on defense, I just want the right people in charge. Bush clearly wasn’t it. Finally we’re starting to gain ground over there, only after Bush is gone.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Don, when has this country ever prospered under conservative values?
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Get over yourself. What you have to understand is that our country has been in debt since the Revolutionary War. We experienced some prosperity under John Adams (a conservative, mind you), but it has gotten worse with every subsequent administration. We are simply a nation of borrowers – we ain’t thrifty, and we ain’t smart! We just live life!
August 21st, 2011 at 2:09 pm
472. Nice how you post under other peoples names. I feel like a regular now.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:09 pm
1. Sadat – Begin: had no business diverting financial problems at home with a peace accord that had no chance of succeeding (that the U.S. had no business brokering);
2. Paying no attention to the growing unrest in Russia, resulting in the invasion into Afghanistan;
3. Botched rescue mission of the Iran hostages, resulting in lives lost and loss of confidence in the administration.
4. Do you remember the interest rates at the time?
(I’m only bringing all of this up because you questioned my knowledge)
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Here, I will jump into some of this. The economic turmoil of the late 1970’s was a combination of a few things: 1) lst came the Arab Oil Embargo which caused oil and subsequently gasoline prices to spike. Trying to smooth out Arab/Israeli relations was probably a good thing, as was instituting fuel efficiency standards that always seem to go down when a conservative is in office.
2)We had no interest in the Russian/Afghan incursion, for good reasons. 3)The botched rescue mission in Iran was a bad bit of luck, not unlike what happened during the bin Laden raid. Just imagine the Pakistani Arab reaction if that mission went awry and we did not get bin Laden.
4) Interest rates were the direct result of Arab oil embargo (see 1) and the ending of the Vietnam war which Nixon extended at least five years past it’s prime (See Iraq/Afghanistan 2001-present) which resulted in a much deeper recession and upward price pressures due to oil dependence.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:10 pm
So, are you guys going to name a time when this country actually prospered under conservative values, or are you going to keep splitting hairs and giving Republican spin on past events? lol.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:10 pm
So, are you guys going to name a time when this country actually prospered under conservative values, or are you going to keep splitting hairs and giving Republican spin on past events? lol.
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See Post 477
August 21st, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Don, when has this country ever prospered under conservative values?
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I can answer that: never.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:12 pm
You can look at almost any economic timeline, and see that the country improved economically when Democrats were in charge, got worse when Republicans were in charge. Pretty much for the past 100 years.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Tbone,
I was responding to post 477!
lol
August 21st, 2011 at 2:12 pm
lefty i know your concerns on pryor. i look at it like this with him. its a 5th rnd pick we would use on a talented player. how many late rnd picks do u get like him? he has a strong arm and great size and ability. not that many qbs are in his class that late in a draft. u sit him down for a few years and let him learn. fugg the scouts. they also said denarius moore couldnt get seperation. he is makin them look stupid slipping to the 5th. tom brady who u like went in the 6th despite being a “real qb” in college. he made himself into a great qb after years of hard work and the right situation. talented young qb’s provide energy for the future. kaepernick did that yesterday while we had retreads in the game.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:14 pm
And, if you look at the timelines going back to when Bush was president, up to today, you can clearly see O-bama a)inherited a mess, and b) has prevented it from becoming an all out catastrophe.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The most dismaying part about Oakland’s defense was stopping the run, an area Jackson has promised will be a strength.
The 49ers rushed for 239 yards in 41 carries, averaging 5.8 yards per attempt with 14 first downs on the ground.
Rookie Kendall Hunter had 105 yards in nine carries and a 52-yard scoring run, with Xavier Omon adding 62 yards in 14 attempts and a 5-yard score, and Anthony Dixon gaining 53 yards in 12 carries.
From JerryMac’s fishwrap article…..
August 21st, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:12 pm
You can look at almost any economic timeline, and see that the country improved economically when Democrats were in charge, got worse when Republicans were in charge. Pretty much for the past 100 years.
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Blanket statement; untrue in a lot of cases. Presidential administrations and the economy are both roller coasters – some catch it right, some don’t. Clinton was lucky; Bush, Sr. started out lucky, then things started to falter. Nixon’s administration started out okay, but then was rocked by the recession and a major scandal.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:16 pm
lefty u also know that i prefer giving up my draft for luck which u also said it would be worth doing. qbs like him dont come around often and i believe u sacrifice a draft if possible to get him. i think pryor would be the opposite of what people think tho. i like his energy and willingness to be great. im tired of us getting qb’s that are either scared to win or dont care to. we need someone to energize this team. our qb holds us back more than the oline.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Raider On-Priest made that comment while we were discussing different QBs,not our team.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:17 pm
ugh…more hair splitting. Until you can point to a time this country “prospered” under conservative policies (hard to type it without laughing), let’s just get back to football, ok?
August 21st, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Did anyone see the game? How did Bush look? How about Boss?
August 21st, 2011 at 2:18 pm
I was there. Bush wasn’t used much. Don’t recall Boss’s number being called. Raiders were able to move the chains but couldn’t score.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The most dismaying part about Oakland’s defense was stopping the run, an area Jackson has promised will be a strength.
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I don’t know, the Raiders pass defense didn’t look all that either.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:20 pm
WTF happened when the Raiders got down to first-and-goal on the two? (I want to know now so I don’t throw a brick through the television later)
August 21st, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Armond,
Which DE are we going to replace to bring in that edge rusher you speak of?
I think we need to simply put Wimbley at WLB and have him attack the LOS on every play.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:21 pm
I have to agree with Alex7. You can’t just say it’s preseason with the Raiders. They have to show they’ve built on their identity last year, and of course in preseason games it has to show early on, when the starters are playing. We’re 2 weeks in, and I’m not seeing last year’s team. I’m seeing the same old post Gruden Raiders.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:22 pm
jhill thats not the point, the problem is im tired of seeing olinemen on the ground looking around…hit someone and take them out. Be a bully and make them pick themselves up ala s.wisniewski…b campbell has the tools to do that… but i want to see him match the hype…
August 21st, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Raidertbone Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:10 pm
So, are you guys going to name a time when this country actually prospered under conservative values, or are you going to keep splitting hairs and giving Republican spin on past events? lol.
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See Post 477
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Ronald Reagan, now take that and shove it up your libtard ass.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Armond,I don’t like Pryor as a QB and more so as a person,you know that(BTW,I’ve never met the guy,just basing my opinion on what i’ve read).Maybe he does the things because he is so young and immature,but I don’t see most his age doing them.However if we were to get him with a 5th,I’d accept it,I have no choice.As soon as he put on the uniform I’d root for him and hope he became the best QB in the league,or whatever position they play him at,just as I had hoped JC wouldOne of the problems is,he would sign a 4 year deal-probably-and wouldn’t be ready to play until that 4th year,if even by then.But I guess for a 5th rd pick he would be worth the gamble.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:35 pm
The country did not prosper in the ’80s due to conservative values. A much higher percentage of the country was still union then. American manufacturing was still strong. Detroit was still strong. The middle class was strong. All things Reagan was AGAINST. Thank goodness that Washington was till controlled by those old school Democrats then, for the most part. Reagan was nothing more than tool for the Bush clan, anyway. A talking head.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:38 pm
T- bone
Boss had one catch and got taken out at the knees. He was limping after. D Moore is spiderman. DVD may be ok once things slow down a bit for him. Bush didnt get much work. D-line and LB core couldnt stop my grand mother. 49ers ran like 5 yards per carry. DHB made a nice catch. B Campbell looks like he could be a beast in time.
Defence just couldnt stop the run to get off the field.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:39 pm
I hear you Oline.
The guy is a wall right now instead of a road grader.
Just saying that I don’t think that a wall is bad right now. The guy was im-movable (is that a word?) in most cases. I understand the hype has him knocking guys backwards, but for now, I’ll take not being pushed backwards and letting the pocket collapse.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Raider Ray Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Raidertbone Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:10 pm
So, are you guys going to name a time when this country actually prospered under conservative values, or are you going to keep splitting hairs and giving Republican spin on past events? lol.
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Ronald Reagan, now take that and shove it up your libtard ass.
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Reagan campaigned on the debt then increased the National Debt $2 trillion and had little to show for it. Ray you might want to go back to beating up defenseless 75 year old meth heads. It’s what you’re best at.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:43 pm
T-Bone
First and Goal at the two??? Save your TV and turn it off. Or purchase some rubber bricks.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:43 pm
I’d spend a 3rd on Pryor the WR prospect.
I’d have to imagine that he is at least as far along at that position as DHB was when we took him in the first.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Reagan’s policies (nee, Bush policies, Reagan was nothing more than a talking head for the Bush clan), would have killed our economy in the ’80s, just as Bush junior would eventually do 2 decades later, if it wasn’t for hard core Democrats with spines running Washington in those days.
August 21st, 2011 at 2:49 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:52 pm
MikeMitchell34 To those who keep asking ill be ready when it counts.
about 3 hours ago
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Hope so
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Yup, the Playoffs… In 2013
August 21st, 2011 at 2:50 pm
We should take Pryor. He is hilarious!
August 21st, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Id take pryoy with the 3rd round comp pick seriously dont see any team giving up a first or second for him
August 21st, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Not sure why Priest is making all these excuses for Hue due to a limited camp.
I thought Hue was the HC and #1 reason we improved last year?
Doesn’t he have about 90% of his starters returning from last year?
Hue SHOULD have a huge leg up on a Jim Harbaugh, who is ACTUALLY learning his players.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Yeah! Take Pryor. He’s hilarious! A big joke! He’ll fit right in the locker room (although the way things are going the Raiders could use a good straight man! LOL!)! And contribute right away! Let the laughter begin!
August 21st, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Nope,mr/mrs is hilarious,see jackarse sullivan44,and his cousin alex,now THAT is comedy!I understand that youre happy,mr,youre NINERS won a preseason game,yee haw
August 21st, 2011 at 3:13 pm
I am normally more optimistic than most but I am having a very hard time of seeing anything to be optimistic about other than we might’ve vaulted to the very top of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:21 pm
I might be a bit more concerned if we lost with McFadden and Ford in the lineup.
Or if I really thought Loper-Satel-Coop-Barnes was going to be starting opening night.
Or if Boyd would actually be the 4th S on the field in a 4 S defense.
Or if Groves would start over Goethel.
Pretty sure none of that is going to be the case, so I’m backing off the ledge.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Both teams looked pathetic last night. Raiders looked like they didn’t even care and the Niners were playing like it was their Super Bowl! haha
Huey and Saunders have alot of work to do on red zone play calling and getting that O-Line to play much lower than they were playing. They were playing way to high, same with the D-Line and the LB’s were scared to fill the gaps.
Chuck B has his work cut out for him to.
Of course the Niners O-Line was getting away with holding most of the time also as usual when they play the Raiders.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Raiders need to sign LOFA and have him start at WILL OLN and be the backup at MIKE MLB spot. Raiders need a vet with some experience at LB.
Goethel and Groves looked terrible last night.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:24 pm
For once I would like to the Raiders show some pride when they play the Niners instead of looking like lazy azzes who don’t know how to penetrate, fill the gaps and tackle.
August 21st, 2011 at 3:32 pm
J Hill Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Pretty sure none of that is going to be the case, so I’m backing off the ledge.
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There’s an expression in the NFL: if you are winning your preseason games, you’re not looking at enough players. Backing off the ledge is probably a good idea, but there BETTER be some improvement against a vastly superior Aint’s team at their crib or we might be looking at the Al Saunders era before game 1.
August 21st, 2011 at 4:17 pm
A game like yesterday could prove to be a great motivator and wake up call for a team that alot of ‘people’ project doing very well this season.
Seymour, Campbell and the coaches will use that performance to get them boys pissed and I expect to hear about a very spirited week of practice.
Just saying.
August 21st, 2011 at 4:20 pm
yep, overall last night’s Raider performance was pathetic.
yep, overall last night’s NO Saints performance was pathetic.
call for Hue’s head!
call for Peyton’s head!
dammit we wanna win the Super Bowl three weeks before the season begins because that is to our immediate satisfaction!!!
next week two dismal teams with two dismal HCs will battle it out to see who s(cks the most!???!
children understand that riding a bicycle might not go on the first try. might even require some scrapes and bruises to get it balanced.
quote of quotes:
“You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you are going, because you might not get there.” -Yogi Berra
apply to all human circumstances as needed.
August 21st, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Not sure why Priest is making all these excuses for Hue due to a limited camp.
I thought Hue was the HC and #1 reason we improved last year?
Doesn’t he have about 90% of his starters returning from last year?
Hue SHOULD have a huge leg up on a Jim Harbaugh, who is ACTUALLY learning his players.
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Because Father Pride & Poise is the unofficial apologist for the franchise. You’ll get this tack from him right until the season is lost, then he’ll go off on the players and coaches, anything to excuse the wretched “leadership” at the top. It’s his self-appointed mission.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 am
# Whos on first Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 12:05 pm
That’s the way it will be all year. The things that I want to see fixed that we talked about that I think we’ve shored up, being able to stop the run, being a little more consistent in the scoring zone, doing some things I think our football team is starting to do in practice,showed up today in the game. I am so very pleased, because my NINERS are very good. now I can go to sleep and not wet the bed any more, cause I am WHO’S ON FIRST and your not.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 am
# Raider Ray Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Dvrick Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
The league ought to kick Al Davis and the RAIDERS OUT!!!!!!
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August 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 am
# Raider Ray Says:
August 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm NOBODY recognized me at the game!I was dressed as a RAIDER Tranny LMAO
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