Post-practice notes
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, August 22nd, 2011 at 8:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Highlights from an eventful day during which the Raiders got a lot faster with the supplemental draft selection of Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor and the return to action of Darren McFadden, Jacoby Ford and rookie Taiwan Jones:
– Anyone really surprised the Raiders took Pryor? Simply too big, too fast and too talented to pass up with a third-round draft pick. Hue Jackson wasn’t his usual expansive self when discussing Pryor, realizing the quarterback’s not yet in camp and there’s no sense building up a buy who won’t be eligible for the first five weeks of the season.
Interesting that Pryor would tell Monday Night Football’s Mike Tirico he’ll follow the lead on Al Davis as to whether to appeal his suspension. The suspension is actually a good thing for the Raiders, and not just because they save $100,000 in salary.
It means Oakland doesn’t have to decide which player to cut for five weeks, since Pryor doesn’t count against the 53-man roster. By the time the sixth game rolls around, attrition will probably take care of any dilemmas.
– Jackson said Pryor would be a quarterback. For now. He also said he’d do anything to score a touchdown, even if it meant putting in something special for Pryor.
– Shouldn’t be any surprise that McFadden practiced as if he had never been away. He exploded to the perimeter on more than one occasion and made an over-the-shoulder catch some 45 yards down field from Trent Edwards against linebacker Quentin Groves, who actually had better coverage than you’d think.
Jackson conceded he might just leave McFadden in “cellophane” for the remainder of the preseason. No sense risking your best offensive player.
– Ford did less, but seemed to have no trouble catching the ball. He said afterward he wasn’t concerned about catching hard throws at awkward angles and is good to go.
– Defensive end Trevor Scott was activated from the physically unable to perform list and got in a lot of work. Looks like he’ll stick with the ends for now and not yo-yo between end and outside linebacker.
– Quarterback Jason Campbell sat out practice. Jackson said it was his call but conceded Campbell had not yet passed all the concussion tests. Campbell told Comcast SportsNet he had “whiplash.”
With Campbell out, Edwards and Kyle Boller got all the work in team sessions and were not sharp. A lot of balls on the ground, many passes behind receivers. Jackson attributed it to different rotations with Campbell being out of action.
– Safety Mike Mitchell was on crutches with his undisclosed injury. No telling when he’ll be back.
– Tight end Kevin Boss, out two to six weeks according to one report, was vigoriously pedaling on stationary bike during practice, working hard enough that a good guess would be closer to two weeks than six.
– Linebacker Travis Goethel left practice with an undisclosed injury.
– Running back Taiwan Jones got loose on one of his carries during the team session and broke free down the left sideline, pulling away from defenders as if on rails.
When Jones returned to the sideline, he was immediately greeted by an excited corps of runners including McFadden and Rock Cartwright.
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August 22nd, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Go Raiders
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Hendu, what do you predict the Raiders record will be this year?
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Why is MM on crutches? And since when is the NFL the CIA?
“Jackson conceded he might just leave McFadden in “cellophane” for the remainder of the preseason. No sense risking your best offensive player.”
I’ve been saying that since the beginning. Who gives a rat’s a.. about preseason?
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Pryor’s QB skills are questionable…but he does have the ability and athleticism to do it….remember Vick? all he did was scramble….couldnt throw for ish!! but he scored alot…would be great if the kid was the piece to the puzzle
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Jason Campbell is too damn fragile.
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Coaches don’t want quarterbacks to run, but will let them stand there on passing downs and get clobbered by four three hundred pound defensive linemen.
It makes no sense to me. Let them run. It’s no worse than standing in the pocket and being a target.
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:53 pm
No word on Glaz? I’m guessing he’ll be ready by game 16, when we really need him.
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Pryor will help the team score points once he serves his suspension.
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Yo sillyvan44,answer my question from the last post,are you at all CONFIDENT in this Raiders team?And did you pick up youre season tickets yet,silly one?Or how about youre Raider Jacket,the NEW one,remember?Later mrs,got to get back w/the real Raider fans posts!!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 pm
It makes no sense to me. Let them run. It’s no worse than standing in the pocket and being a target.
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or at least have the ability to avoid the big hits…
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Hendu, you’re so confident you can’t even predict a record. You’re no more confident in the team than I am. You just have more hope than I do. That’s not confidence. Confidence is knowing what you will do, not just trying and hoping it will happen. That’s all you have. When you’re truly confident, you’ll predict a record. The reason why you wont’ predict a record is because you know as well as I do your prediction is something like 5-11.
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Not to mention the naked bootleg off a run fake is one of the most effective misdirections in football.
But pro coaches are p….ies.
The best offense I’ve seen is the one Boise State runs.
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 pm
– Running back Taiwan Jones got loose on one of his carries during the team session and broke free down the left sideline, pulling away from defenders as if on rails.
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Some of you fence riders still have time to jump on the MUP bandwagon…
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 pm
TJ = MUP
DMOORE = RON, and ROY candidate…
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Good idea to leave DMAC and Bush on the sidelines..run the other guys
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Sillyvan44,answer my earlier questions,THEN I will answer youres!Fair enough or a friggin problem for ya? RAIDERS!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Pryor is gonna play QB, no question. He’s Davis’hope of a Tome Brady to offset his Russell pick.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Hue needs determine the offensive line starters ASAP. Them hogs need to get a feel for one another. If he needs help figuring it out start polling the d-lineman and get their input. Continuity is critical.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Al is adding the pieces. Its up to Hue to make them fit.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Once again Al is the laughingstock of the league. Campbell won’t last the season behind that paper O line. Neither will Edwards he is even more fragile. 7-9
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 pm
I cannot wait to see TJ play I can’t take it anymore I’ve been waiting to see this kids in silver and black since we took him. It’s driving me crazy…..man play this kid please.
I was so damn happy when we drafted Pryor I did the James Brown while driving I couldn’t believe we actually got this kid. Anyone doubting ths kids ability to play QB just you wait. This kid has the ability he’s just young and unpolished but he’s played the position for a while what makes TP so dangerous is he is a “football player” his instincts to make things happen are second to none. Yeah he needs work but what rookie coming out early doesn’t at the QB position. Hue Jackson and Al Saunders will be charged with that duty to make this kid a QB. The tools are there he is much more accurate than people think. His problem is not accuracy it’s it’s technigue, footwork and maturity as a QB. Accuracy is not the issue with him.
If you study Pryor as a passer he bends to the side when he throws which make sthe ball curve a bit. his release is much better than most QB’s. When they rebiuld him technigue wise this kid will be a terror. He knows when to run he doesn’t run indiscriminantly. He runs with a purpose looking to make plays. He keeps his head up in case someone comes open he’s always concentrating downfield. If he had the WR’s and sophisticated offense that Luck and the others play in you’d a much better passing stats. As I said with many that DHB’s game is more a lack of maturity than ability.
The same is true with Pryor his passing technigue is highschoolish but he is accurate and football smart. he understands what winning is all about how to win and when to put the hammer down. This is an extraordinary footbal player in every sense of the word and I think he can become an extraordinary QB given the right coaching.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
His problem is not accuracy it’s it’s technigue, footwork and maturity as a QB. Accuracy is not the issue with him.
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By some aacounts that I have read his footwork has greatly improved.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:18 pm
under the right tuteledge, PRYOR can become a good NFL QB, with a very high ceiling… Coach Jackson, and his staff can make this happen…
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Excited to see Pryors career unfold. Hopefully it will be one to talk about! GOO Raiduhs!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Kirk I have got to give you the best quote of the day “who gives a rat’s ass about preseason?”. That is what I’ve been trying to say since the final score sat. These guys are trying to kill each other over a preseason game. Since when did this stuff become so important? We didn’t play 4 players who were healthy the even practiced today but he didn’t play them. now what does that tell you about how bad he wanted to win that game. He’s trying to beat Denver Sept 12th because that game starts the season and it’s a division opponent. The significance is 100x’s more important. “Battle of the Bay” I forgot it the minute the game was over. Because I’m scared Denver might be one iota of a smidge ahead of us I want to Make absolutely sure we’re ready to play that game in Denver and win. We embarrassed them last year and they want revenge in the worse way. I couldn’t care less about the “B of the B” it has zzero importance to what we’re trying to ultimately do…………….period
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Hendu, so far I have you down for 0-16. Let me know if your prediction’s different.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:23 pm
priest, if preseason doesn’t matter, why did you watch the game?
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Good move drafting TP.
Will turn out to be a GREAT move if he can prove to be an accurate passer and blossom into a franchise QB.
I don’t buy into the TP is a ‘bad character’ stuff. Did some things he’d probably do differently if he had another chance, but from the interviews I’ve seen with him he seems like a good guy.
Raids MUST attempt to develop him at QB. Makes absolutely no sense to try anything else. He’ll have at least this season to adjust to the NFL and learn the position. Show some accuracy and he COULD be the answer at QB.
If not, plan B kicks in and there’s a good chance his incredible athleticism allows him to excel at another position.
JaJason should be on notice. Raids are indeed looking to the future and there’s a good chance he isn’t going to be a part of it.
Unless you’re one of the few who actually believe in JaJason, this should make you happy. I know I am, even if TP doesn’t pan out at QB.
Good move to gamble on TP, might turn out to be a great move.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Well IMO Thec07 that is what he needs to do improve technigue if he does that the rest will take care of itself.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Try Pryor at QB, and if they doesn’t work make him a wide receiver.
He looks like Randy Moss when he runs.
Except that he is bigger and stronger than Randy Moss.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Like I said so many times Sully to see certain players…………I have no interest in who wins one second after the game. Even if we had won I would be still nervous about Denver. The preseason is for preparation………….period
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Kirk just give him time and watch this kid grow this was an absolute STEAL…………trust me!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Sillyvan44,are you OK?Really,get a hold of yourself,you can do that,right?Answer my earlier questions,then I will answer youres,hater RAIDERS!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 pm
5. BS. Campbell has taken some serious punishment behind last years line. He dusted off and led.
To claim Campbell is too fragile is to ignore Bruce Almighty’s injury history.
JC gets the nod till further notice. He completed some nice passes before our O line got him killed…again.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm
I put it on par with getting MBush at 4th rnd and DMoore at 5th rnd. That’s how I see it.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
To see certain players do what ,priest?
To see if they are good.
To check on their fundamentals.
To see how they stack up against opponents.
So, pre season does matter. That’s why you watch. You watch because about 99% of the time, how players handle the basic fundamentals in preseason is typically how they handle them in real games. In fact, it only gets harder in the regular season. Pre season should be a walk thru for good players. It matters, priest.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Priest says:
“I was so damn happy when we drafted Pryor I did the James Brown while driving.”
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You mean beat a hooker, snorted Columbia and smashed into some cop cars?
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
I expect the Raiders to do well against the donkeys. They hired a coach that previously went 2-14 rofl! Other than a few players on D, they lack to talent to handle the raiders. I could be wrong
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Raider fans are going to have to hold their water when they see this kid next preseason. Because they’re going to want to start him, but he wont be ready yet give him 2 years and he’ll be ready.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
35 Agreed Priest. Its called a bargain.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
State your predictions everyone! So far, this is the roll call:
Sullivan44: 5-11
Hendu: 0-16
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Hue and Saunders have a lot of work ahead of them. Pryor’s throw is ugly as fk. He looks A LOT like VY when he tucks the ball. Should be very interesting.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
priesttj, I agree with you. I think Pryor will be good.
I watched his highlights, and he makes people miss.
But playing QB is the toughest position.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
9000!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Man I was boogalooing in my car people thought I was high or crazy. I was screamin’ like a freakin fool dancing and screaming to the top of my voice. EEeeeyooow! hit me!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Over 9000!!!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
38. Donkey’s D for real y’all. Know they’re short at DT but Broderick Bunkley is beastly when healthy and he is.
Von Miller and Elvis gonna make that secondary look good on more than one occasion.
No depth so we hope they get dinged just euff that they can’t play against us…
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Elvis just gettin back from a year off… hopefully that will slow him down
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Trevor Scott is sticking with the DE’s. I was hoping that he could replace Groves. He is a better DE than LB imo.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 pm
We won’t see or hear from Goethel for the rest of the season. Prob having another Back surgery.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 pm
I read Godell suspended Pryor for 5-games for trying to undermine the supplemental draft. What does that mean???
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Yo sillyvan44,who put youre arse in charge of roll call?youre not smart enough for accurate results,mrs!Answer my earlier questions of you,if you cant,go watch the Disney Channel RAIDERS!!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
The Forty Niners jumped ahead of us and stole Kaepernick and it pissed Mr D off…. and what happens T Pryor is sittin’ there in the 3rd rnd of the Supp draft. There couldn’t be a better stroke of luck because we have the better player. Call it dumb luck or whatever you wish but we wanted kappy and lost him and end up with Terrelle “freakin” Pryor lol
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
me: 5-11
Hendu: 0-16
Anyone else?
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
The Raiders have the pieces on defense…really no excuse for not having a top 10-15 defense this year.
The Raiders have to fix the run defense. I am not offering any solutions because I am not there….time to just fix it….the roster is set and they believe they have the pieces.
A top 15 rush defense is essential if this team is going to win. Failure to stop the run helped to keep this team out of the playoffs
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Let’s just give Terrell Pryor and the rest of the developmental rooks the space and time he needs to develop.
Right now Jason Campbell is the QB and I hope he does well enough to be the QB for a long time.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Kirk what people see is a kid who’s been allowed to rely on his great gifts he ahsn’t been taught to play QB. See: Mike Vick……….it happens to kids s=as gifted as he is. Now he will actually learn the nuances of the position how to attack a defense where to attack a defense. He’ll have a checkdown and someone in the short zone as well as deep. He will be taught the position for the first time in his LIFE!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:47 pm
10-6 if they can pull it all together and play as a team.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Priesttj,
You are hyping up Pryor way too much. He just needs to get grounded, face buried in the playbook and just start learning.
Let’s not forget we have a pretty good QB on the roster that might just surprise some folks this year.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm
If TJ the Goof is so high on Pryor, he’s doomed to fail. Darn you to heck, raving old fool!
In much more awesome news, I’ve been partying on Olde English with some rap producers all afternoon and laid down a few tracks.
Looks like I’ll be releasing a record after all, if the label gets there way.
PONEY EXPRESS POSSEE IN FULL EFFECT
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Instead of having the entire team resting on him to produce he can sit and watch a true pro in JC go about his business and get to se WHY you do things and why you set things up for a certain play. How to read and then make stick throws he a gifted passer who hasn’t been taught…………..period
Andrew Luck’s Dad played QB in the NFL most white QB’s rely on the offense while athletic black QB’s are allowed to use their athelticism instead. Now he will learn BOTH.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Yeah I hyped DMoore as well what’s your prognosis doctor? This has nothing to do with JC I know what JC is and I’ve said so all offseason and been slammed for it. Well JC is one helluva QB IMO, but he’s 30 this org. needed to get a young QB to groom and they got a great one……………period
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
I’ve been laughed at all offseason for hyping DHB well you aint laughing so loud anymore.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:56 pm
me: 5-11
Smells Like Beecham: 10-6
Hendu: 0-16
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:56 pm
priesttj Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Raider fans are going to have to hold their water when they see this kid next preseason. Because they’re going to want to start him, but he wont be ready yet give him 2 years and he’ll be ready.
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Pryor will start at least one game this year.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
More accurately, Smells like Beechum predicts 10-6, with an “if”, which means he really doesn’t predict 10-6. “ifs” drop you two wins. So, since you predict 10 wins with an “if”, we’ll call it 8.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
So, priest, you’re basing DHB’s improvement on how he looks in preseason games. So evidently preseason does matter.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
@CorkOnTheNFL: Terrelle Pryor told Monday Night Football crew he will defer to Raiders managing general partner Al Davis on whether to appeal suspension.
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I got a hundred thousand reasons why Pryor appeal his suspension
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Priesttj,62,if he turns out to be very good,I will be a happy camper.Seems he will have the right coaches around him,and the right owner,right mr?
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
TJ please don’t do your James Brown impression anymore, you’re liable to throw your hip out.
Anymore hilarious – I mean expert – opinions on the next Raider superstar?
Jerome Boyd guaranteed to be the next Ronnie Lott?
Moron
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Players matter like I said I watch PLAYERS sir not fianl scores………..pay attention!
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Master beechum, dont you have a fat wife at home waiting for you?
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
I’m watching TP right now play Penn St and he just made a throw that everyone says he can’t make. Tressel held this kid back with his playcalling and scheme.
I know y’all don’t understand what I mean but it’s true the offense he played in was a simple spread and they used his gifts to win games.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
I know she looks the other way when you bring home underage azn boys. So does that mean you look the other way on her being over 500 pounds?
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Priesttj,
Glad to see your excited…but man, give the kid a chance to get settled in and do a few practices.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
So, priest, you’re basing DHB’s improvement on how he looks in preseason games. So evidently preseason does matter.
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Sometimes BHP makes it too easy. This DHB drum beating is getting old.
As far as DHB goes, he has yet to perform CONSISTENTLY (and that is being really nice referencing his production). If what I heard was right, that Al front loaded his contract 21 mil last year, he needs to catch about 270 passes for 3600 yards and 27 TDs this year to make up for the awesome stats from the last two years.
Oops, I mean he has to be three times the downfield blocker and decoy than he has been.
BHP was the last person to jump off Russels bandwagon, I don’t assume he will jump off DHBs anytime soon.
It would help if he didn’t wet his pants over every one of Als picks….every year, regardless of whether they were drafted in the 2nd, or the 7th.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
9-7
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:08 pm
TJ dialing up the game on his black and white picture box.
Don’t give yourself a tumor analyzing that game film, old timer. Take a nice hot bath, drink a seltzer and get under your electric blanket.
Man, do I have to do everything around here?
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
We have all seen that college performance doesn’t mean much…see that Tebow guy.
He is going to have to work on his delivery and mechanics…and become an unselfish leader of men.
That will not happen overnight.
I wan to see Pryor progress. Let’s start with establishing leadership…let’s hear about how he is following JC around and soaking knowledge…working extra hard to master his craft.
That’s what makes the difference. Vick only became great by doing the preparation and putting in the time.
That’s the key to realizing any potential.
I hope Pryor takes full advantage of this opportunity.
I hope Davis gives Pryor the environment and coaching stability to succeed
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm
There’s some here who get mad at the team for a bad performance and who will be the first to praise them for something good.
There are others who pretend they are fans and insult all Raider fans when they have the gall to say “we” when referring to the team they hate so much. These fans are ones who will openly admit that they aren’t even watching the Raiders while they are beating up on KC at the end of the season. Anybody who does that is nothing but a faker and has no guts to even admit who “their team” is so as to avoid any criticism of said team coming their way, becuz as these ones can dish it out they certainly can’t take it, so they cower and hide their true motives like the puzzies they are.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Ahhh pooor lil beeechum your soooo terrible at what you do. Though you do humor me a bit so i give you props for that. NEways time to go watch hells kitchen
CODE BLACK 2011!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Beecham, saw a giant pickup truck at Candlestick sat. Had some dude in the back dancing inappropriately with a bunch of nude coke whores, with the stereo blasting, “don’t you forget about me”, by Simple Minds.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
If Tebow can start a game during his rookie year over an established vet like Orton, there is no way Pryor doesn’t start at least one game in place of Campbell this year.
Fans will be calling for Pryor by week 8.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
So why did Jake Locker, Ponder, Gabbert, Newton get drafted so high exactly what did they base that on………..math test??
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
GForce21 Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
If Tebow can start a game during his rookie year over an established vet like Orton, there is no way Pryor doesn’t start at least one game in place of Campbell this year.
Fans will be calling for Pryor by week 8.
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JC is going to deliver this year. Pryor only starts after Raiders clinch playoffs or somethign
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
priesttj Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
So why did Jake Locker, Ponder, Gabbert, Newton get drafted so high exactly what did they base that on………..math test??
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As you always tell me, the guys in the building spend a lot of hours watching film, interviewing, background checks etc….
But the college game rarely translates. Pryor has the physical tools to do something..but it all still comes down to reading defenses, making throws, and leading men…knowing the playbook.
I assume he has to work on that and we’ll see where he ends up.
I don’t put too much in any rookie. Gotta see him on the field. Until then he can win points with me by just grinding it out and learning and being a leader.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
If Soup is concerned about a long-term relationship with the Raiders and holding onto the starting QB position, all he needs to do is win. Winning solves most concerns.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
It really is.
TPryor?? As much as I would’ve been fine with not taking him (and his baggage that will surely follow him, for a little while at least)…Pryor is a GREAT grab for a 3rd-round pick next year. If he had stuck around OSU this year, he would’ve likely been a late-1st-rounder next April. Value-wise, Pryor was an excellent pick right now.
TPryor is every bit the athlete that JaMarcus NEVER was…and he’s every bit the QB that JaMarcus ever was, even if he’s got some flaws to his game. But…there isn’t a single QB coming out of college without a flaw or two. More polished maybe, but certainly not without flaws. Even if he doesn’t make it as a QB in this here League, he could be quite a receiver. Great athletes tend to be great at more than one thing…and, no matter what else he is, Pryor is a great athlete.
The only thing the Raiders did today was spend their 3rd-round pick 8-months early…for a guy who could be a steal at that spot.
Big Al did good. Real good, as long as Pryor stays out of the spotlight for the wrong reasons from here on out!
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
JB, winning keeps your job in Oakland? Ask Jon Gruden or Tom Cable about that.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Well you guys have fun I’m done
This was a very good day for the Oakland Raiders…
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:26 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
We have all seen that college performance doesn’t mean much…see that Tebow guy.
He is going to have to work on his delivery and mechanics…and become an unselfish leader of men.
That will not happen overnight.
I wan to see Pryor progress. Let’s start with establishing leadership…let’s hear about how he is following JC around and soaking knowledge…working extra hard to master his craft.
That’s what makes the difference. Vick only became great by doing the preparation and putting in the time.
That’s the key to realizing any potential.
I hope Pryor takes full advantage of this opportunity.
I hope Davis gives Pryor the environment and coaching stability to succeed
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Solid post.
I hope for the same, obviously. If Hue lives up to reputation, he can really help with our WRs (already evident) and develop QBs. He was part of the staff that got Flacco to mature a great deal from yr 1 to yr 2.
Can’t speak to the rumors of Ravens coaching staff not sorry to see him go, etc. etc., nut Saunders followed him out here. So did Boller and Edwards came on the advice of outgoing staffer Ted Tollner, who gave Hue an endorsement. Chad loves gim, TJ Housh takes his advice. He doubled our offensive production in a year.
I’m still a bit nervous about Bresh. There are some young guys back there in defense. O Line an even bigger question mark.
I can tell you this: The Raiders offense is going to make some explosive plays in 2011. They got the guys to do it and Hue just needs to get creative (but not too cute).
Regarding Pryor: Once upon a time I was born in Columbus. Moved to LA at like age 3, but still always rooted for Ohio St. football. I’ve watched a ton of Pryor and I can tell you that the guy is a beast. He needs to be refined a bit. He knows it and was going to go one more year with Sweater Vest to polish up and then that whole mess.
And he’s a QB. Despiute having a lot of called run plays and option, when it was a passing down, he thought pass first and often used his mobility to get the ball downfield. Obviously, when he needed to run with it, he showed tremendous success doing that.
Speed Kills and Pryor is pure potential woth a very high ceiling. I like this kid wherever he lines up on the field, but I think ultimately, it will be at QB
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
For QBs…its all about the preparation work and mastering the playbook.
The other stuff is bonus.
Pryor’s only responsibility should be getting that playbook down and fixing whatever mechanics that the coaches think he needs to work on
Don’t want to see him trying to be a WR or TE….have him be in that playbook.
If he’s a 1st guy in…last guy out…that will mean more to me than his 40x or his HWS
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Once again, another HayesDaze spin filled with “ifs”.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
So does JC Choke, and blame it on looking over his sholder at Pryor?
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
JCampbell?? This year’s JCampbell looks entirely too much like last year’s JCampbell. If he’s not careful (and a lot more aggressive!), he’ll end up replaced by Trent Edwards sooner rather than later. Edwards is much more comfortable in the pocket than some would have us believe…and has a much more natural (read: timely) release than Jason does.
Boller?? Boller, IMO has peaked…and Edwards has more upside. Give Edwards and Boller equal time with the starters, and watch Edwards take control of this Offense, and drive it like the proverbial fine-tuned sports car.
Not saying I don’t want JCampbell to be the starter…just saying he needs to start playing like a #1 QB should. Making good, and timely, decisions with the ball. His team is good enough to carry HIM to loftier positions.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Mum-O-killowe Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
So does JC Choke, and blame it on looking over his sholder at Pryor?
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I’m wondering if Jason is contemplating cutting his wrists tonight.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Raiders will be 11-5 [5-1 within the division];
3-1 vs NFC North; 3-3 vs AFC.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
I think you will see Pryor on the field in more than one capacity this year. Gotta figure he’ll show up as a wildcat QB or a WR in certain packages.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Raiders 35 Denver 10 on Monday Night Football.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Is Mr. Goethel going to be the Chaz of the linebacking corp?
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Raiders need to sign Capt. Kirk & Tatupu.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
I noticed Mr. Chekwa playing some safety vs. SF, how long will Mr. Mitchell be out?
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Yeah, let;s get a LB or two.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
The Raiders need to win Monday Nite, or Hue Jackson’s reign will already be in trouble, and the development of Pryor, out the window.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Chekwa’s nice, man. Experienced, leadership qualities, very smart player.
Chimdi will do well in the Silver and Black. Really digging these last two drafts.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
GForce21 Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Pryor will start at least one game this year.
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No he won’t. Not only did he not have a training camp but he is going to miss the lst month + of the season. You might as well just pull someone out of the black hole and suit them up and put them under center.
The absolutely worst thing that can happen right now is Raider fan screaming their drunken heads off for Pryor when he is clearly not going to be ready. Best thing for him and the team is for everyone to relax, let him get a year under his belt of what it’s like being a pro, get in a full camp, and be ready for the 2012 season.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
I can sum up every single HayezDaze post right now:
If if if coulda woulda shoulda if if coulda shoulda shoulda coulda might maybe if could would should maybe might if coulda woulda shoulda…it’s a great day to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Kell, they need to win MNF just to be 1-0 for the first time in 8 years.
It seems like Denver has been the focus around camp. They need to come out guns blazing in a big, big way.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
If they don’t win the nationally televised MNF game, Al Davis will start undermining HueJax.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Nobody knows Al Davis’s defensive flaws as well as John Fox. That’s likely the reason he left us years ago. So, if the Raiders aren’t exotic and as non-Al Davis as possible on defense, you can expect Denver to exploit them all night. If the Raiders are deceptive on D, there’s a chance. They try to man up Davis style, it’s another 0-1 start.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:49 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Mum-O-killowe Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
So does JC Choke, and blame it on looking over his sholder at Pryor?
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I’m wondering if Jason is contemplating cutting his wrists tonight.
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Why, because they drafted a project player? I don’t think so. Boller might be a little more concerned though as somebody will be the odd man out in game 6. May be Boller but may be a WR too. All Soup needs to do right now is win. The rest will take care of itself.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
60.Master Beeecham Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm
If TJ the Goof is so high on Pryor, he’s doomed to fail. Darn you to heck, raving old fool!
In much more awesome news, I’ve been partying on Olde English with some rap producers all afternoon and laid down a few tracks.
Looks like I’ll be releasing a record after all, if the label gets there way.
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August 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Barksdale?? For a rookie, he’s doing a fine job. Early Saturday, he was in with the #1’s against their #1’s. His footwork was fine, his strength was adequate, and his performance was even better than expected at this point. Even when tired later on, he performed as well as the veterans did.
DVD?? DVD has got the goods. Even after getting “burned” by Larry Fitzgerald last week, he hung tough with him the rest of the way. This week, he played fine. His speed, hips, strides, body placement are all spot-on, rarely making mistakes in those areas. He’ll be making big plays as soon as the game slows down for him…and that’s not going to take long in his case. The kid’s a player.
Kam Wimbley?? Here’s a guy who needs to get his head in the game. THE RUNNING GAME. One of the earliest-taught fundamentals for any OLB or DE is to keep the edge, and not get hooked to the inside. Saturday, Wimbley played like he didn’t even know what the edge was. I love his explosiveness to the QB, and eagerness to get to the ball carrier…the problem is, he’s out of position with regularity. He should be funneling plays to the middle, and instead he’s chasing guys down from behind a la Kirk Morrison…all because he’s losing the edge, and losing the leverage battles players of his ability shouldn’t be losing.
All in all, Saturday wasn’t a disaster…and every problem we had is a correctable issue. We weren’t out-classed or out-foxed…we were just beaten by a team that exploited our weaknesses. Weaknesses that I have faith in HueJax and Staff to correct in a hurry.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
If they don’t win the nationally televised MNF game, Al Davis will start undermining HueJax.
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If this team doesn’t make marked improvement for the rest of the preseason and the opener in Denver, Davis SHOULD start undermining Huge Action.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Who are the top LB & DT FA’s still available? We need at least 2 LB’s with Goethel out and rumor has it that JHenderson is NICKED up. AD needs to get active and get some help in here now.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
This is as good as it gets, folks! ha ha ha!!!
HayesDaze37 Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Even after getting “burned” by Larry Fitzgerald last week, he hung tough with him the rest of the way
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Gnite fellas.
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
WTF you needing from me, troll? Whatever it is, you ain’t gonna get it.
Chase your own stinky little tail in that sad little circle. You are a lonely, pathetic soul. Assuming you had a soul, that is.
Move along, stinky troll…let the real fans be fans.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
I’m just giving you a hard time, Hayez. Settle down. I too thought DVD hung “touch” with Fitzgerald even after Fitzgerald smoked him. lol.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
hung “tough”, i meant.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
BTW, I’m a fan, too. I just know this team sucks.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Still need to solidify the O-line SOONER than later. My vote: Veldheer, Heyer, Satele, BCampbell, Barksdale. Lil Wiz to challenge Satele for the center position. I know this is a young line with very limited experience but you have to start somewhere & sometime. I say here & now. The sooner they start working together the sooner they come together. Once established barring injury, this line will be together for 6-8 years.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
so fcking cool raiders got pryor. if he can just hang tight his chance will get here. big uncle al come through again. anyone that thinks pryor is another jaruss has their head firmly planted inside their ass…………period
beeecham = mr / sull44
code black 2011
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm
You have two types of Davis minions.
The “will” types.
And the “if” types.
Notice that the “if” types make the most personal insults. Their strategy is to come off pragmatic, while attacking the character of the critics.
The “we will win” minions, delusional as they are, at least don’t spend as much time insulting the critics. They just represent. I have far more respect for them.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
There really is no better option for the young O-line than to play them as much as we can right now.
Loper isn’t the answer at LG…stop-gap maybe, but no answer. WizII can handle more responsibility…he’s got the “it” factor working for him — he gets it, and will be getting better in a hurry.
Bruce Campbell needs to be on the field. I don’t think he should be fighting Barksdale for playing time, but I find it hard to believe he’d beat-out Carlisle in a fair competition to start. It may seem a little late…but I don’t think it’s crazy to contemplate putting BCampbell at LG for a series or three in practice. It’s time to stop coddling the guy, and time to see if he’s got the goods. I think he does…he’s certainly built for it, and hopefully he’s got the brain for it. I’d rather see BCampbell move to LG than Carlisle do it. Carlisle’s pretty steady, no matter what his detractors have to say.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Like anybody in here gives a sh*t who the #2 troll respects!
Yes…the #2 troll.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Despite initial doubts, I gotta say, great pickup by AD. A 3rd rounder is nothing for a guy with that kind of size, athleticism, arm, and college production. The contract will be in the 600k-700k per year range for a guy who would have easily been in the top 20 of the 2012 draft if he didn’t get busted doing what everybody else does in college – take money/gifts to play. At least he’s willing to admit it unlike Newton who thinks his denials are actually believed by anyone. In reality he has no character issues beyond what Newton or Mallet or Locker have. In fact, he seems like a pretty stand up guy to me (so far anyway) and he played as well as any of those guys.
Yes, Pryor is def raw for an NFL passer – and there are *lots* of naysayers McShay, etc (esp since the Raiders took him, if it was the Pats they’d be saying ‘oh what a great pick (gurgle gurgle)’). But Gruden likes him, AD likes him, and even Mora said on the NFL network he will have a good career in the NFL as a QB. There were also some unnamed quotes of scouts saying he looked alot better than they expected during his pro day.
For a 3rd round pick!!? The guy has done *nothing* but win his whole career – #4 rated HS player in the country just 3 years ago – at OH St played 39 games, compiled 6,177 yards passing, 57 tds/26 int 60.9% comp, 2,164 yards rushing, 16 rush td’s, a 31-4 record, three Big 10 titles and two BCS bowl wins – including MVP of Rose Bowl *and* MVP of the Sugar bowl (his last game). All that despite being pretty ‘unpolished’ at the position he occupied. Imagine after some NFL training.
After watching the highlight tape and looking at the measurables, 6′5 235, shredded, runs a sub 4.4?, has a huge arm (very good long ball), intelligent (watch the Gruden video), and hungry?!!! The more I look at this guy, I see we got a guy with *incredible* upside.
As for giving up a 3rd rounder in 2012 – well we get the whole year to see what this kid can do first so we’re already ahead of anybody in that draft. Plus we’ll get at least 2 if not 3 compensatory picks next draft for losing nam, mill, gallery – *and* we still have our round 1 pick so AD can possibly trade down and get additional 2nd, 3rd round picks so we’ll probably have a fairly normal draft *and* we get this kid.
After the 5 weeks suspension, cut Boller or Edwards, make Pryor #3, have Al Saunders take him under his wing, put him out there in 2nd half games for 1-4 plays a game (wildcat), and see if he can improve. Hopefully he will push for the #2 or even #1 qb spot in 2012. If he can’t play qb in the nfl, he can def put on 20 lbs and play TE and possibly be the next Gates.
Its a win win for the Raiders!
Go RAIDERS!
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
If WizII can’t seize the Center position from Satele, he should be at LG asap.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Pryor needs 2 years under his belt if we want him to succeed I know I’ve been hyping the guy but i also know what I see need development. he’s too important to the future of this franchise to heap a ton of pressure on him beofre he’s ready. JC is every bit the QB to get us to the next level and maybe win big. he’s veyr gifted in his own right. And he’s a pros pro Pryor needs to watch him and leanr everything he can while molding his game to fit his skillset.
That is the reason we drafted Pryor to GROOM not SWOON let him LEARN PLEASE.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Start Pryor game 6. Baptism by fire. Get him ready now. We need to win now. We have demonstrated first two pre-season games we cant win. We need to win now. If JC aint 5-0 by week 5.1, start Pryour game 6. Lets get a move on fellas. No time to stall, no time to lose, no time to waste. The time is now, we need to win now.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Yeah Right have another drink….
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
JB In two years Campbel and barksdale may be one of the best RT RG tandems in the game what talent those two have just raw but man what size and athleticism and power. Two great picks in teh mid rnds.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
There aren’t enough practice reps for a guy (a rookie) to come in 1/3 into the season and pick up everything he’ll need to be successful as a regular QB. Only so many plays to go around, and only so many snaps to take away from the #1 QB during the week. His athleticism can only carry him so far.
This season — the entire season — lays on the shoulders of Jason Campbell. We’ll know in the first 4 games if he’s the right man for the job. If he’s not, we better get Edwards or Boller in as early as possible to have any chance of a successful season.
Counting on a raw rookie, with limited reps, to come in and salvage a season nearly halfway over just won’t cut it. If TPryor is a regular starter at QB for the Raiders at any time this season…the season will be a wash, and it means Pryor’s getting the call to learn on-the-job while the team flounders in mediocrity once again. There’s waaaaaay too much talent on this team to be just mediocre again.
Jason Campbell MUST get the job done.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 pm
HD37 Absolutely!!
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Watched the whiner game again – it wasn’t as bad as it seemed live, but still some areas of concern.
* LB is still a problem area. McClain is missing run gaps again, Groves looks lost, Goethel is slow. Backups all suck. This is a serious problem.
* RT is still a problem. Barnes needs to be cut. He’s getting beat almost every play. Barksdale is not ready. Cut Barnes and bring back Langston already – seriously RT is in bad shape right now. Maybe Heyer can play there when he gets healthy.
* RG BCampbell is playing too high – he’s strong but will continue to lose battles and prob get injured unless he gets much lower. He’s more suited body wise to play tackle – how about RT?? Why not give him a shot against the seahawks?
* LG – Loper should not start. Wiz needs to step up and be ready game 1. Loper is a backup and that’s all he is.
* Veldeer is playing pretty well most of the time – that sack was not his fault JC held on too long and didn’t step up in the pocket (what else is new??).
* JC looks flustered again – hoping he can pull it together when the security blankets are all back (DMC, Ford, Boss)
* Boller took a step back – Edwards seems to be a bit sharper but its close.
* CB play is actually ok considering – but the whiner suck so hard to really tell.
* DHB is actually here to play – he knows this is it for him if he doesn’t come through and it has showed so far – lets hope its not a fluke. He better be. Murphy is out prob the first 4 weeks – he had surgery on either groin or hammy and either is bad and Chaz can’t be relied on for anything.. Need to keep Hagan – he looks very solid and makes plays.
* Nick Miller suddenly looks soft on punt returns and cant seem to get open as a WR. If we keep Hagan, how does he stay on the roster? Might be time to move on and let Rock and/or Moore return punts.
* Ausberry was wide open on several plays and both Edwards and Boller missed him. He knows how to get open – now QB’s need to get him the ball.
* The broadcast was the whiners team so they didn’t show Hue on the sidelines but you know he was hot – loved the postgame where he called it like it is. No more Cable – ‘it’s all good’ bs.
Go RAIDERS!
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
priesttj Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
JB In two years Campbel and barksdale may be one of the best RT RG tandems in the game what talent those two have just raw but man what size and athleticism and power. Two great picks in teh mid rnds.
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TJ – totally agree. I want them in there NOW. Barksdale is already a better choice than Barnes and Carlisle has seen his best days awhile back. He’d be fine as a BU. We also need to get Heyer in at LG ASAP. He’s nicked so let Wiz 2.0 in here until Heyer returns. Then I’d like to see a very strong competition between Wiz 2.0 & Satele. The quicker we get these guys in there together, the quicker they start operating as a single unit. BCampbell’s strength alone can make up for a lot of inexperience. We really need to beef up in the middle. This is the way to make that happen. This new line will be good for 6-8 years barring injury. Soup will be very effective behind this line as will any of our RB’s.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
-BHP’s MUP List-
18yearsold18yearfan ; CJ37 – CB
1960Raider ; Stefen Wisniewski – OL
504 ; Joe Barksdale – OL
666 ; DVD – CB
8RaiderReign8 ; Travis Goethel – LB
909 ; Taiwan Jones – RB
Alex7 ; Joe Barksdale – OL
Armond ; Sterling Moore – CB
B@uce ; Manase Tonga – FB
Bcz24 ; D. Moore – WR
Big Fan ; W. MacFadden – CB
BigTed707 ; Chris Francis – OLB
Bob Marley ; Desmond Bryant – DT
Born w/a Patch ; Ware – CB
BroCanUspareadime ; Nick Miller – WR
BSJ ; Taiwan Jones – RB
Carl Weathers ; Travis Goethel – LB
CJ Legend ; Chaz Schilens – WR
CODEBLACK2011 ; Zac Ethridge – DB
Codigo Negro ; T. Goethel – LB
Dakota ; Chaz – WR
Da Trinity ; Barksdale – OL
Deathrow 55 ; DVD – CB
Deja Vu ; MM34 – S
Demon Raider ; Denarius Moore – WR
Doc Gonzo ; Denarius Moore – WR
Dutch ; Richard Gordon – TE
FarEastRaider ; David Ausberry – TE
Fear_the_eyepatch ; Chaz Schilens – WR
GaterRaider ; Sterling Moore – DB
GatorRator ; Bryson Kelly – FB
Guy ; Chaz Schilens – WR
HairyBush ; Denarius Moore – WR
HayesDaze37 ; MM34 – S
Hueknows ; DHB – WR
HGDaddy ; Chaz Schilens – WR
Hwnrdr ; B-Camp – OL
J-Raider ; Barksdale – OL
JB ; Chaz Schillens – WR
JFB ; Desmond Bryant – DT
Jhill ; David Ausberry – WR
JLofty ; Chaz Schilens – WR
Just Win Baby ; Trent Edwards – QB
KoolKell ; Stevie Brown – S
LA Raider Dave ; Stevie Brown – S
LA to TheBay ; Denarius Moore – WR
Lefty12 ; DHB – WR
LMN ; Chris Francis – LB
Lowdown_in_Beijing ; Daniel Loper – OL
LTR ; DHB – WR
M Lonetree ; Trent Edwards – QB
Marios ; Barksdale – OL
Mcthompso ; Big John Henderson – DT
Meeze ; MM34 – S
Midwest Fan ; Travis Goethel – LB
MississipRaider ; Zac Ethridge – DB
Mistic1 ; Barksdale – OL
0ak_R8Dr89 ; T. Pryor – QB?
Pirate Beard ; Chimdi Chekwa – DB
PlunkforHOF ; Chaz Schilens – WR
Priest ; David Ausberry – WR
Purple Drank ; Taiwan Jones – RB
R8dercain ; Taiwan Jones – RB
R8er Mike ; Stephon Heyer – OL
R8eray ; Joseph Barksdale – OL
Raccoon ; Roy Schuening – OL
RaiderDogg ; DeMarcus Van Dyke – CB
RaiderDuck ; Taiwan Jones – RB
Raider E ; Khalif Barnes – OT
RaiderFanFromJersey ; Denarius Moore – WR
Raider J ; D. Moore – WR
Raiderman99 ; Trent Edwards – QB
RaiderRetribution ; Ben Lamaak – OL
RaiderRockstar ; CJ37 – CB
Raidertalk ; John Henderson – DT
Raidertbone ; Barksdale – OL
Raiderzmaverick ; Chaz – WR
Redshirt ; Trent Edwards – QB
RFL ; Stevie Brown – S
Ryan ; Pryor – QB?
Scottish ; Brandon Myers – TE
SharkCatcher ; MM34 – S
Severe ; W. McFadden – CB
SilverAndBlackBleeder ; Stevie B – CB
SilverNutSack ; DHB – WR
SnB ; Chaz – WR
SR Raider ; D. Moore – WR
Thec07 ; Taiwan Jones – RB
TheGeneral ; DVD – CB
Twocents ; Desmond Bryant – DT
YoungAmerican ; Travis Goethel – LB
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Out for the night. C Y’all tomorrow.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
lol any time someone calls out beeechum he runs to the hills.
Im new to the blog but my MUP is Jarvis Moss
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Chris Francis needs to beat out Blackstock as a backup LB!
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Really hoping Pryor takes #2 and we can purge our minds of Purp… I can take my JPurp jersey and tape Pryor over the name – would be funny to wear to a game.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Word CDERaider! Pryor needs to exercise the stench of that number.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 pm
DHB is ready. Get him the ball, and he will make a lot of plays. Perfect?? Nah…but who is?
Contrary to a few opinions in here, DHB isn’t afraid to go after the ball, and he’s not afraid of getting hit. His #1 issue was (always) he isn’t a “natural”…but he’s a great athlete who has worked on his craft, and on his hands.
Target DHB 6-times per game (with a catchable ball), and he’ll catch at least 4 of them. He’s ready to be a real big-leaguer.
Hagan?? I can’t see letting him go anywhere. He’s got the stature, speed, and know-how (and hands!) to stick.
DMoore is an exceptional NATURAL talent at WR…but we’ve got an abundance of small-ish WR’s.
Hagan’s proved he belongs.
Bodiford?? Practice Squad, and let him continue to grow into a pro…he’s got something we can use, too.
This Raiders team is loaded with young talent. No two ways about it…they’re building themselves a very good young team to grow with.
#1 question?? Same as last year…and the year before…and the year before = who’s the QB to get us over the hump?
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Big Ted!!
If MM34 doesn’t make it onto the field due to injury…can I go back to my early prediction of Denarius Moore’s ability? He was my #1 pick of the rookies to make it…and he’s proving the point.
If MM34 plays the season, I’m happy to stick with him.
Thank you for your consideration!
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Exercise or exorcise?
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
I hope J-Camp gets right quick!
That was a harsh knee to the dome he got, but he’s gotta’ know that’s coming when he bails the pocket. He needs to learn to protect himself, because the league ain’t gonna do it – it’s not like he’s Tom Brady or anything.
He was having a very good preseason and I hope he can hang for the next few seasons.
It’s been a while since his last INT.
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
With real football talk going on, I hate to leave…but I’ve got somebody waiting for me…and she’s worth checkin’ out for!
See you later, boys, girls n’ in-betweeners.
And yes…it’s a great night to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?!
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:01 am
# HayesDaze37 Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Exercise or exorcise?
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*exorcise, thanks
I figure we got until the end of Preseason to change our MUP picks.
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 am
I’m Out Y’all – RAIDER!
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
BigTed707 Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
-BHP’s MUP List-
18yearsold18yearfan ; CJ37 – CB
1960Raider ; Stefen Wisniewski – OL
504 ; Joe Barksdale – OL
666 ; DVD – CB
8RaiderReign8 ; Travis Goethel – LB
909 ; Taiwan Jones – RB
Alex7 ; Joe Barksdale – OL
Armond ; Sterling Moore – CB
B@uce ; Manase Tonga – FB
Bcz24 ; D. Moore – WR
Big Fan ; W. MacFadden – CB
BigTed707 ; Chris Francis – OLB
Bob Marley ; Desmond Bryant – DT
Born w/a Patch ; Ware – CB
BroCanUspareadime ; Nick Miller – WR
BSJ ; Taiwan Jones – RB
Carl Weathers ; Travis Goethel – LB
CJ Legend ; Chaz Schilens – WR
CODEBLACK2011 ; Zac Ethridge – DB
Codigo Negro ; T. Goethel – LB
Dakota ; Chaz – WR
Da Trinity ; Barksdale – OL
Deathrow 55 ; DVD – CB
Deja Vu ; MM34 – S
Demon Raider ; Denarius Moore – WR
Doc Gonzo ; Denarius Moore – WR
Dutch ; Richard Gordon – TE
FarEastRaider ; David Ausberry – TE
Fear_the_eyepatch ; Chaz Schilens – WR
GaterRaider ; Sterling Moore – DB
GatorRator ; Bryson Kelly – FB
Guy ; Chaz Schilens – WR
HairyBush ; Denarius Moore – WR
HayesDaze37 ; MM34 – S
Hueknows ; DHB – WR
HGDaddy ; Chaz Schilens – WR
Hwnrdr ; B-Camp – OL
J-Raider ; Barksdale – OL
JB ; Chaz Schillens – WR
JFB ; Desmond Bryant – DT
Jhill ; David Ausberry – WR
JLofty ; Chaz Schilens – WR
Just Win Baby ; Trent Edwards – QB
KoolKell ; Stevie Brown – S
LA Raider Dave ; Stevie Brown – S
LA to TheBay ; Denarius Moore – WR
Lefty12 ; DHB – WR
LMN ; Chris Francis – LB
Lowdown_in_Beijing ; Daniel Loper – OL
LTR ; DHB – WR
M Lonetree ; Trent Edwards – QB
Marios ; Barksdale – OL
Mcthompso ; Big John Henderson – DT
Meeze ; MM34 – S
Midwest Fan ; Travis Goethel – LB
MississipRaider ; Zac Ethridge – DB
Mistic1 ; Barksdale – OL
0ak_R8Dr89 ; T. Pryor – QB?
Pirate Beard ; Chimdi Chekwa – DB
PlunkforHOF ; Chaz Schilens – WR
Priest ; David Ausberry – WR
Purple Drank ; Taiwan Jones – RB
R8dercain ; Taiwan Jones – RB
R8er Mike ; Stephon Heyer – OL
R8eray ; Joseph Barksdale – OL
Raccoon ; Roy Schuening – OL
RaiderDogg ; DeMarcus Van Dyke – CB
RaiderDuck ; Taiwan Jones – RB
Raider E ; Khalif Barnes – OT
RaiderFanFromJersey ; Denarius Moore – WR
Raider J ; D. Moore – WR
Raiderman99 ; Trent Edwards – QB
RaiderRetribution ; Ben Lamaak – OL
RaiderRockstar ; CJ37 – CB
Raidertalk ; John Henderson – DT
Raidertbone ; Barksdale – OL
Raiderzmaverick ; Chaz – WR
Redshirt ; Trent Edwards – QB
RFL ; Stevie Brown – S
Ryan ; Pryor – QB?
Scottish ; Brandon Myers – TE
SharkCatcher ; MM34 – S
Severe ; W. McFadden – CB
SilverAndBlackBleeder ; Stevie B – CB
SilverNutSack ; DHB – WR
SnB ; Chaz – WR
SR Raider ; D. Moore – WR
Thec07 ; Taiwan Jones – RB
TheGeneral ; DVD – CB
Twocents ; Desmond Bryant – DT
YoungAmerican ; Travis Goethel – LB
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Can I get in on this? Is this under rated? Or ??
Trevor Scott.
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:07 am
You know what the funny thing is, half of the poeople posting on this blog call themselves Raider, but all they do is repeat everything they hear in the media.
If the media says this move is dumb, then it must be dump right? They must have only pick this guy because he runs fast, right? Oh, and Hue couldn’t have been a part of picking Pryor because there is no way Al will have taken input from his coach, right?
The same media folks that you repeat after are the same folks that complain about Al and the raider being secretive about what goes on in the organization, yet they claim to know what Al and the staff is thinking. Does Al have the final say? Hell ya, he’s the boss and he signs the checks. Does that mean that Hue did not agree, hell no. A third round pick, is not guaranteed a starting spot on any team. An teams has to take chances. They always talk about the Raider drafing speed only. Well look who they past up when they did not go for the fast player in the draft, Deshawn Jackson and Chris Johnson.
As so called Raider Fans, please stop repeating what you here in the media. If you wear the Silver and Black, you should have a mind of your own.
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:09 am
It’s JC’s season and team in 2011, plain and simple. This is ‘the big year’ for his career and either he is going up or going down but he will def not stay in the same place. Either he gets the big contract next year or he’s playing for vet minimum as a backup.
He has all the experience and tools to take it to the next level but he just has to do it. I think he more than anyone is the person Hue is talking to when he says ‘pull the trigger’. When he is rhythm – quickly steps back, plants the back foot, and fires – he looks awesome. When he hesitates and has to go through the reads – he can look like a totally different QB.
I think he will be good this year because Hue knows what he is. He has to rely on quick passes, screens and check downs to DMAC, Reese, Boss, Bush and Ausberry and there’s plenty of that in the offense. He can take 3-4 chances down field but thats not his or our strength. We have a great running game (assuming the oline gets settled – oh sheez) and we will be a run first team again this year so JC won’t have to win games on his own.
We have tried more the down field passes in preseason and its been a mixed bag – when the season starts, look more for the 2010 Raiders – lots of DMC/Bush (and hopefully Taiwan), short passes (with long runs hopefully), lots of screens, and the occasional shot down the field to Moore who will be open and will make the catch!
Go RAIDERS!
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:12 am
i for one love the pick…. mainly because i have absolutley no faith in j campbell… i really do think this guy has no confidence in himself… i prefer edwards… but none very good… cant wait for pryor to develop..
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:16 am
we dont need anymore wide receivers.. we need a general.. a qb that will spark the team..we just might have that with terelle pryor
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:16 am
I think there is no doubt that Jason is the best QB on the roster at this time. T. Edwards and Boller are third string QBs.
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:17 am
damn all the haters…. had the patsies alking about how brilliant they are… horse crap!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:20 am
he is the best qb…. but sorry back ups
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:20 am
im not a big fan of jc…sorry… i think he sucks
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:22 am
takes too long to let go of the ball…… very unsure of his ability.. extremley gun shy…imo
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:24 am
HAWT!~ 08-23-11: Pryor Priorities
If he the controversial former Buckeye is to play QB what are his chances?
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August 23rd, 2011 at 12:25 am
Down with JC at QB
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:40 am
Guys you’ll be pleasantly pleased when you see this guy o through this season and make the throws we need him to make. It’s about trust he didn’t trust Boss and he apologized to him 2 plays later. JC understands he ahs to make throws and hge has all the talent in the world to do so.
TP is an awesome talent who needs to learn how to play the position he is nowhere near ready to start. Please guys give him time to grow becuae we need this kid to be ready in 2 years to make his move. This org. just bought an insurance policy for the future called Terrell Pryor who wil devastate defense when he’s ready not NOW!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:59 am
priesttj Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
JB In two years Campbel and barksdale may be one of the best RT RG tandems in the game what talent those two have just raw but man what size and athleticism and power. Two great picks in teh mid rnds.
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You are so amazingly jaded. Why is literally every player we draft or sign to a FA contract going to be the best at their position in “2-3 years.” We should have had a lot of pro bowlers and Superbowls the way you have talked over the last few years.
I guess its sorta your schtick to get everyone hyped on Als picks. His work as a GM has reflected on our on the field success over the last 8 years.
August 23rd, 2011 at 1:04 am
CDERaider….excellent post, case well presented and the kids record speaks for himself. You know that Shan-a-rat, who is now is Washington, and hates our guts, is pissed off about this “major steal.”
There is so much upside to this pick up and instead of wasting another year in college where he could have gotten hurt, he’ll be one year ahead of all the draftees next year. He’s going to get professional NFL coaching from capable people and he can draw from Campbell and Edwards (Edwards has been around but injuries have hurt his progression. He’s a good QB).
You know Marty, who was fired by the dischargers, after a 14-2 record and who may “hate” us more, or at least as much as Shan-a-rat, is also pissed off we got Pryor. Pissing off Shan-a-rat and Marty is a good enough reason to draft the kid itself.
Nice going Al. We’ll give you credit where credit is due.
August 23rd, 2011 at 1:15 am
priesttj Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Instead of having the entire team resting on him to produce he can sit and watch a true pro in JC go about his business and get to se WHY you do things and why you set things up for a certain play. How to read and then make stick throws he a gifted passer who hasn’t been taught…………..period
Andrew Luck’s Dad played QB in the NFL most white QB’s rely on the offense while athletic black QB’s are allowed to use their athelticism instead. Now he will learn BOTH.
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so how do you feel about black men as a head coach ?
August 23rd, 2011 at 1:30 am
Good nite Raider fans, sleep tight and keep in mind that the Autumn Wind is ready to cut loose on Sunday nite against Dree and company.
August 23rd, 2011 at 1:33 am
…I meant (Drew Brees), not Dree. I guess it’s past my bedtime. Good nite again.
August 23rd, 2011 at 1:51 am
The starting OLine I would like to see for the Raiders; this is the one I think would be the best for the team;
LT- Vehldeer
LG- Wisniewski
C- Satele
RG- Barksdale
RT- Campbell
August 23rd, 2011 at 1:52 am
Remember Aaron Rogers sat for a few years before he was handed the reigns, same just might be said for Mr. Pryor.
August 23rd, 2011 at 2:28 am
Oldschoolraider Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 8:53 pm
No word on Glaz? I’m guessing he’ll be ready by game 16, when we really need him.
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lol. that’s a good one. i wish that kid wasn’t so fragile. seems like he could be really good.
August 23rd, 2011 at 2:37 am
re: t.pryor, i love how stupid the media/experts can be. the kid started for 3 years at ohio state! one of the top college teams in the country. as a junior, he completed 210 passes (65%). this is inaccurate? 210 times, he connected w/ a receiver. 2 out of 3 passes he threw. 27 td’s against 11 int’s. this is in a 13-game sked. 6′6″ 240 4.3 40 time. good arm. smart. works hard. this guy is a reach w/ a 3rd round pick? what a joke. ran for 754 yards as a junior. 4 more td’s. 57 td’s thrown in in 3 years against 26 int’s. 17 rushing td’s. al davis knew he would be gone by the 4th or 5th. he didn’t have a 4th. so he used the 3rd. this could be one of the all-time steals! he’s like some mix of michael vick/randy moss/randall cunningham. i loved this get!
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:05 am
“Pryor needs discipline after dashing from NCAA investigators to the NFL. He needs an organization that is just that – organized. Instead, Pryor has landed on a team where the self-absorbed get thrown into a big bucket with a brine of willfulness and a hint of ego glorification.
If you talk to a handful of people from Ohio State and NFL personnel who have done a modicum of homework on Pryor, they will tell you that Pryor’s biggest problem is he has never been told no. Former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel consistently let Pryor do whatever he wanted. In the end, it cost Pryor his final season in college (a season he could have used for development of his immense skills) and Tressel his job.
Now he goes to an organization that develops quarterbacks the way Nevin Shapiro and Bernie Madoff handle investments. Name the last quarterback the Raiders really nurtured?
Ken Stabler.
Since then, the Raiders have either succeeded with retreads like Jim Plunkett or Rich Gannon or flopped with guys like Marc Wilson, Todd Marinovich or, most recently, JaMarcus Russell(notes).”
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That’s from sports on Yahoo and you may not like it but it is true.
That 3rd pick would have been better spent on the OL.
Picking Prior about two rounds higher than he should have gone is just Al gambling for fast results because he’s 83 this year and doesn’t give fuk about building a team for the future.
What we need is a general manager with real power and Al at least 90% retired and just advising.
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:52 am
bull! pryor is a fantastic prospect.
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:54 am
everyone’s got an opinion. the kid can play and has amazing talent. this will be a huge steal for the raiders.
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:58 am
Englandraider, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to spell Pryor’s name correctly.
I’m with Rob Raider. I think this guy could play QB or wide receiver. I love this pickup.
Imagine Ford, Moore, Boss, DMac, and Pryor all on the field at the same time.
Now imagine that you are the other team’s defensive coordinator.
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:00 am
And good point Rob.
How can a guy who completed 65% of his passes at a major college be “inaccurate”?
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:32 am
This pick up of Pryor is only being criticized by some media outlets because it’s the Raiders and they’re making it out to be another speed pick. Its obvious you sit him for 2yrs and let him learn how to be an NFL Qb,, by the time he’s ready to take off the training wheels he’ll only be 24,, plenty of time. The real issue now is keeping him envolved in 1 system,, so that means not firing and hiring new coaches every year,, which is what hurt JaMarcus,, that and the fact he lost his desire once he got that 39mil. It’s crucial that we allow HueJax and the staff time to coach and develop this kid. This also means they should extend Campells contract another year so Pryor isn’t forced to play sooner than he should.
August 23rd, 2011 at 4:47 am
Kirk Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 3:58 am
Englandraider, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to spell Pryor’s name correctly.
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You to be have kidding man.
So I typed fast and misspelled his name?!
You’re grading my English?!
If I want to “be taken seriously” I should watch my spelling?! I could give a fuk but that is just ridiculously pompeous
A lot of people think that Al got this guy because they think he wants to convert him to receiver.
I’ve go nothing against the guy and I don’t believe that Campbell is the man but I think this team should be working on the offensive line and a 3rd pick for Prior was higher than most other teams would have given up.
No matter what the pick was, it’s another Al gamble.
I also think that although Al may still be intellectually alert, he just can’t run the team efficiently anymore and hasn’t for at least 7-8 years.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:15 am
– Safety Mike Mitchell was on crutches with his undisclosed injury. No telling when he’ll be back.
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I believe this is the 3rd camp in a row MM34 got hurt.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:21 am
I heard Clayton say the Raiders will probably get a 3rd and a 5th compensatory picks next season. Nothing for Miller, since we signed Boss.
So basically we swapped, Nnamdi and about 15 or so spots in the 3rd round, for Pryor and about $10 million dollars of cap space. Not great, but not bad either.
Pryor is worth the gamble as a 3rd rounder. Hell Pat White was a 2nd rounder, and he was as frail as they come.
Pryor needs to work most on his deep ball. Was watching some highlights, and his mechanics seem to let his deep ball float and flutter way too much for the strength he has in his arm.
I expect Saunders to work with him on all this stuff. Remember Jamarcus missed the whole camp and the first game or two (Pryor is actually in camp before Jamarcus was) and he started the last game of the season.
I hope I am wrong, but I can’t see this helping Soup out any. Campbell has looked his worst, throughout his career, at the most crucial of times. Now his career is at it’s most crucial point (entering his 30’s; last year of his contract, eventually replacement just drafted).
I hope I am wrong, but I think Al Davis see’s what some on here just can’t seem to except.
You aren’t winning anything with Soup at the helm.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:28 am
G’morning fellas.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:33 am
I’ve go nothing against the guy and I don’t believe that Campbell is the man but I think this team should be working on the offensive line and a 3rd pick for Prior was higher than most other teams would have given up.
No matter what the pick was, it’s another Al gamble.
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I dont like the Pryor pick. Just my opinion, but I dont like spending ANY pick on a QB most think cant play QB at an NFL level. That said, IF Pryor had declared by 1/15/11 for this years draft, do you REALLY think he wouldn’t have been pick in the first 3 rounds? That is ridiculous. To say a guy with his athletesism, size, speed, his stats, and overall record is a reach in the 3rd round is absurd. So now we got a guy with NEXT years 3rd round pick that will be an entire season ahead of the curve. I just cant see how that is a reach at all. I dont like pryor at all but he is a FAR better qb than Teblow and Teblow was taken 26th overall. The pundits on BSPN were comparing Pryor to Vince Young and he was taken THIRD overall.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:35 am
Just fire, Pryor is Campbell’s replacement.
And good thing too, because Campbell isn’t very good.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:37 am
I hope I am wrong, but I think Al Davis see’s what some on here just can’t seem to except.
You aren’t winning anything with Soup at the helm.
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You’re not wrong and you shouldn’t hope that you are.
It was good that Davis came to the realization that JaMoron was a bum.
It’s good that he realizes that JaJason stinks too.
Pryor might not be the answer at QB either, but there’s no way the Raids can stand pat.
At least Al is trying.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:38 am
Wish I knew what the hell was up with my boy MM34. This is one time when the org’s obbsession with secrecy is annoying.
Neither Jerry or Steve have been able to get word on what’s going on with Mitchell for over two weeks. All they can report is that there’s been no sign of him at camp.
The last word I heard was someone on here who claimed Mitchell’s last tweet on his account asked fan’s to pray for him. WTF?
Is Mitchell’s injury status a state secret?
Would it kill them to announce that he had knee surgery or whatever? Instead of keeping their fans in the dark wondering or worrying about what’s going on with their favorite players. Not very fan friendly. Especially for a team struggling with attendance.
I guess it’s just part of that “Raider Mystique”.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:39 am
At least Al is trying.
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Amen.
Let’s forget the fascination with Kappy during the draft process.
Soup is a mediocre QB, and an above-average stop-gap. Glad Al has realized this, and I’m sure Soup’s preseason performance forced the urgency of getting Pryor.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:43 am
* not forget the fascination….
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:45 am
Obviously, (Hue !) Raider players have been warned not to discuss injuries with the press.
Hence, we get ‘toothache’ answers from DHB.
The crutches revelation about MM34 doesn’t bode well.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:46 am
JFB,
Post 180 was very well written in my opinion.
Do you think we can get to the playoffs with JC?
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:47 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
I think that Pryor was selected also because Boller stinks and Hue, just like those guys across the Bay have a strong fascination with Smith, have a strange fascination with this guy. Al realizes that if JC goes down…so, I think the pick was good! And Raiderman….please stop with the JaJason thing man…he is loads better than JaMarcus…
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:50 am
If PRYOR had of stayed at Ohio state this year, and played a full season, he projected into the mid to late first round.
We get him a whole year early and for a 3rd.
Personnel Dept is doing a good job…
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:52 am
Do you think we can get to the playoffs with JC?
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The rest of team, especially the run D and 3rd down D, will have to improve massively, because I don’t think you will see major growth from Soup.
The inability to pull the trigger on that goalline pass to Boss, is why Soup freguently has around 13 TD’s a year.
I don’t expect that to change much. He doesn’t lose you too many games, but he doesn’t win you many either.
So everyone else has to pick up the slack.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:55 am
I think one of the main reasons Pryor would be a 1st rounder next year (projected) is that he would have another 12-13 games under his belt, and hopefully another year to improve on what he needs to improve on.
Honestly, this is both good and bad for him. Obviously, the level of coaching and tutledge he will receive (I’m thinking this is exacly what Al had in mind bringing in Al Saunders;this will be his project) has grown, however he will not be playing 12-13 games this season.
Next years preseason should be a lot more entertaining.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:56 am
Jason Campbell (concussion) is not practicing
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I told you guys that Hue Jackson was full of crap!
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:57 am
The rest of team, especially the run D and 3rd down D, will have to improve massively, because I don’t think you will see major growth from Soup.
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This is very disconcerting…we expect to generate pressure from our base D…So far we have not, this is very disconcerting… Need to get this run stop thing fixed…I beleive the Offense will be fine…
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:57 am
Yesterday I compared Pryor to Cam Newton. Another possible comparison is to Jake Locker. He’s also a tremendous athlete with questionable accuracy/mechanics. I don’t think Locker had the success that Pryor did in college. I don’t know what his record was, but I don’t believe he was 31-4, with MVP’s in two BCS bowl games. True, he doesn’t have any of the off-field baggage that Pryor does, but still….comparable talents,IMO.
He was a top 10 pick, but clowns like ESPN’s Pat Forte claim drafting Pryor with a 3rd rd supplenental pick is a huge risk. Typical Al Davis/Raiders H/W/S type reach, he claims. I call B.S.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:58 am
wide receiver Jacoby Ford (broken hand), running back Darren McFadden (broken orbital bone) and defensive end Trevor Scott (ACL surgery) all practiced on Monday
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woohoo!
Raiders, baby!
Trevor Scott is no longer eligible for the PUP list, so he’ll face tough odds beating out Jarvis Moss with only 20 days until the season opener
perhaps they both make the cut?
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:59 am
Even if you think JaJason is a good QB, there’s reason to doubt he’s going to be very durable in the future.
This isn’t his first concussion and there’s good reason to be concerned about his longevity.
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:59 am
has grown, however he will not be playing 12-13 games this season.
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Agreed however, the flip side to this is he gets a year head start on learning the NFL game as he will need to sit a couple any way.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:00 am
Cam and Pryor or similar QB’s in size and style of play.
Cam definately spins a better ball than Pryor, Pryor is definately the better athlete.
Pryor started over 2X’s as many games as Cam in college, and I think that will benefit us.
And Pryor is going to cost about $25 million less than Cam too.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:01 am
This isn’t his first concussion and there’s good reason to be concerned about his longevity.
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Have to agree 99, JC said it himself he has whiplash…
Durability is a question…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:02 am
This isn’t his first concussion and there’s good reason to be concerned about his longevity.
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Soup seems to be getting a little punchy.
For Jason Campbell’s sake, the guy outside of football, I hope this is not true. Seems like a real stand-up dude, who probably can bring a lot to the table in the real world, whenever his career is done.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:03 am
priesttj Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 pm
I cannot wait to see TJ play I can’t take it anymore I’ve been waiting to see this kids in silver and black since we took him. It’s driving me crazy…..man play this kid please.
I was so damn happy when we drafted Pryor I did the James Brown while driving I couldn’t believe we actually got this kid. Anyone doubting ths kids ability to play QB just you wait. This kid has the ability he’s just young and unpolished but he’s played the position for a while what makes TP so dangerous is he is a “football player” his instincts to make things happen are second to none. Yeah he needs work but what rookie coming out early doesn’t at the QB position. Hue Jackson and Al Saunders will be charged with that duty to make this kid a QB. The tools are there he is much more accurate than people think. His problem is not accuracy it’s it’s technigue, footwork and maturity as a QB. Accuracy is not the issue with him.
If you study Pryor as a passer he bends to the side when he throws which make sthe ball curve a bit. his release is much better than most QB’s. When they rebiuld him technigue wise this kid will be a terror. He knows when to run he doesn’t run indiscriminantly. He runs with a purpose looking to make plays. He keeps his head up in case someone comes open he’s always concentrating downfield. If he had the WR’s and sophisticated offense that Luck and the others play in you’d a much better passing stats. As I said with many that DHB’s game is more a lack of maturity than ability.
The same is true with Pryor his passing technigue is highschoolish but he is accurate and football smart. he understands what winning is all about how to win and when to put the hammer down. This is an extraordinary footbal player in every sense of the word and I think he can become an extraordinary QB given the right coaching.
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Ahhhhhhh PRIESTTJ STRIKES AGAIN!!!!!! – The ULTIMATE HOMER FOOL!!
Where to start…. omg…
1 – Taiwan Jones? LOL…. Dude you’re that excited about a guy who is going to be buried on the depth chart behind McFadden and Bush? Seriously, you DO understand that your excitement about TJ is the equivalent of the Saints drafting a QB in the 4th round to back up Drew Brees….right? Jesus….
2 – “His problem is not accuracy it’s technigue, footwork and maturity as a QB. Accuracy is not the issue with him.” – where do you think accuracy COMES FROM??? (hint, hint, – it’s something called technique and footwork lmao!!).. Setup, foot plant, etc etc all cause balls to sail off target.
ANALOGY TIME!!! What you just said was the same thing as saying “His intelligence is not the issue…it’s his ability to read that is the problem…” Seriously, think about that..
TJ I am going to need you to stop being pretentious. Stop trying to hype everybody up with your psuedo-garbage. Just watch football and enjoy… or not enjoy as all of us Raider fans have the last handful of years.
3 – No, DHB’s issue is not maturity. His issue is lack of football talent and instinct. THE END.
Final thought – Pryor is a HUGE “if” @ QB. There really is no way around it. Raiders have never developed a QB and there is no reason to think why that trend would end here with Pryor. He has a decent arm. And any report you read on him will tell that his mechanics have to be totally reworked and built from the ground up. He is 6′5 and 240 and runs a legit 4.4. Play him @ WR and call it a day. No need chasing dreams for the next Michael Vick. He is nothing like Michael Vick.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:04 am
Tjones practiced yesterday also
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:04 am
Buckeye, if someone else other than the Raiders drafted PRYOR it would have been hailed as a great move…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:06 am
PRYOR’s issue was not accurancy as he was over 60%
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:06 am
And oh, by the way…I would like to thank all those FN idiots over across the bay who cannot handle their FN liquor and decide to ruin the game for many people out there! My wife is keeping my kids home this Sunday because of this and I just wanted to give all you FN DONKEY’s the FN Finger!!! FN Wannabes!!!! F YOU!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 am
Taiwan Jones WILL see the field…He was having a great camp before the injury. Coach Jackson has made it clear if you read or trust what he says he does have plans for Taiwan Jones…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 am
I put the over/under on Taiwan Jones touches for the season at around 40 at the beginning of the year.
Smart money is pounding that under.
Guy might be a gazelle in the open-field, but he had durability issues in college, and it took all of 1 week of an NFL training camp for those durability issues to come up again.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 am
1 – Taiwan Jones? LOL…. Dude you’re that excited about a guy who is going to be buried on the depth chart behind McFadden and Bush? Seriously, you DO understand that your excitement about TJ is the equivalent of the Saints drafting a QB in the 4th round to back up Drew Brees….right? Jesus….
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Yeah sorry but that is a ridiculous analogy. To compare a back up RB (who will also be returning at least punts, if not kicks as well) to a back up QB is just stupid. By YOUR analogy Michael Bush wont be seeing the field at all either.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 am
PRYOR graded out as a mid to late first round draft pick in the upcoming 2012 draft.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 am
Coach Jackson has made it clear if you read or trust what he says
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LOL!!
I like Hue the play-calling HC/OC, but Hue has proven over the last few months, that he is the biggest BS artist this organization has seen as a HC since I’ve been alive.
Not mad at him for it, just saying, Hue will feed you a line and not think twice about it.
Trust me, takes one to know one!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:12 am
Thec07 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:06 am
PRYOR’s issue was not accurancy as he was over 60%
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What does that have to do with ANYTHING? Jesus Christ… Jerrys blog fans are the most single track minded fans in the world. Accuracy IS his issue. Graham Harrell completed 65% @ Texas Tech with Crabtree…Why? because 50% of his passes were bubble screens..
Pryor was an option QB. Many of his passes were not downfield. And he throws off his backfoot often. Only an idiot would think that 60% in college automatically translates to the pros.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:13 am
Thec07 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 am
Taiwan Jones WILL see the field…He was having a great camp before the injury. Coach Jackson has made it clear if you read or trust what he says he does have plans for Taiwan Jones…
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Yea he was having such a great camp??? He ran about a total of 5 plays before he was plastered by McClain and wearing a hat on the sideline… What are you TALKING about?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:14 am
Looks like he’ll stick with the ends for now and not yo-yo between end and outside linebacker
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Great news!
Scott is a situational pass rusher. this guy is awful in coverage and constantly gets abused versus the run
unless he’s coming off the edge ready to unload on the QB, this guy shouldn’t even be on the field
too one-dimensional for my liking, but I’m not ready to say we should kick him to the curb in favor of ex-donkey Jarvis Moss
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:14 am
bcz24 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 am
1 – Taiwan Jones? LOL…. Dude you’re that excited about a guy who is going to be buried on the depth chart behind McFadden and Bush? Seriously, you DO understand that your excitement about TJ is the equivalent of the Saints drafting a QB in the 4th round to back up Drew Brees….right? Jesus….
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Yeah sorry but that is a ridiculous analogy. To compare a back up RB (who will also be returning at least punts, if not kicks as well) to a back up QB is just stupid. By YOUR analogy Michael Bush wont be seeing the field at all either.
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Oh wow I’m sorry you really blew that to pieces didn’t you? Hey how about this? Get REALLY EXCITED about Jones 2 carries a game!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:17 am
Yea he was having such a great camp??? He ran about a total of 5 plays before he was plastered by McClain and wearing a hat on the sideline… What are you TALKING about?
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I have not been at camp however, based on coach Jackson’s comments Taiwan Jones has looked good.
With his return yersteday, the same comment were reported. thats what I am talking about.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 am
U TELL ‘EM HWNRDR.LET PRYOR SIT THIS YEAR.SHOULD NOT TAKE LONG 2 SEE IF HE HAS NFL QB SKILLS.IF NOT,TE,WIDE OUT,USE HIS ATHLETIC ABILITY WHERE BEST.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:19 am
I’m going to say something that most football purists and posters here will disagree with.
The Raids shouldn’t even try to develop Pryor into a conventional drop back QB. Nor should they tinker with his ‘delivery’ too much.
Honestly, I don’t see much hope for success if they go down that avenue.
Pryor probably will never be an extremely accurate passer. I just don’t see him as being the type of guy that’s going to stay in the pocket and dissect a defense.
However, this is an athlete whose abilities can be maximized by having him throw on the move with the always present threat to tote the rock himself.
Don’t want to go the route Andy Reid took with D.McNabb and try to turn Pryor into a pocket passer.
Same principle applies to Vick and V.Young. It’s a mistake to put too much emphasis on trying to turn these types of guys into ‘pocket’ QBs.
Utilize their unique athletic abilities to the max while they are young. The veteran savvy and pocket QB skills will come later.
It will be a mistake to try to ‘develop’ Pryor in the conventional sense.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:19 am
the fact that some of you are looking forward to Pryor playing THIS YEAR…. at QB… is scary.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 am
2 – “His problem is not accuracy it’s technigue, footwork and maturity as a QB. Accuracy is not the issue with him.” – where do you think accuracy COMES FROM??? (hint, hint, – it’s something called technique and footwork lmao!!).. Setup, foot plant, etc etc all cause balls to sail off target.
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It was also recently reported that his footwork has improved.
PRYOR graded out as a mid to late first RD pick if he had of stayed at Ohio St U. Its not talent that has been the issue its his character, or decisions the young man made.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:19 am
I’m going to say something that most football purists and posters here will disagree with.
The Raids shouldn’t even try to develop Pryor into a conventional drop back QB. Nor should they tinker with his ‘delivery’ too much.
Honestly, I don’t see much hope for success if they go down that avenue.
Pryor probably will never be an extremely accurate passer. I just don’t see him as being the type of guy that’s going to stay in the pocket and dissect a defense.
However, this is an athlete whose abilities can be maximized by having him throw on the move with the always present threat to tote the rock himself.
Don’t want to go the route Andy Reid took with D.McNabb and try to turn Pryor into a pocket passer.
Same principle applies to Vick and V.Young. It’s a mistake to put too much emphasis on trying to turn these types of guys into ‘pocket’ QBs.
Utilize their unique athletic abilities to the max while they are young. The veteran savvy and pocket QB skills will come later.
It will be a mistake to try to ‘develop’ Pryor in the conventional sense.
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I kind of agree with that. Andy Reid learned his lesson with McNabb.. Now he is doing exactly that with Mike Vick. Just cutting him loose.
Now I don’t think Pryor is the same caliber QB as Vick. Vick is much more sudden and special. But who knows… But trying to fit a square peg in a round hole usually never works out in this league.
It’s whatever. This was a freebie pick in some regards. I am not expecting Pryor to turn into anything.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 am
the fact that some of you are looking forward to Pryor playing THIS YEAR…. at QB… is scary.
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PRYOR should be on a 2 year track minimum.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 am
I will respectfully disagree with a little RM99.
While it is true you don’t want to try to change a leopards spots, Pryor needs to not rely as much on his athleticism at the next level.
As the saying goes, in college they will chase you, in the NFL they will catch you.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 am
In -
Terrelle Pryor
Darren McFadden
Taiwan Jones
Jacoby Ford
Trevor Scott
Out -
Jason Campbell
Chaz Schilens
Kevin Boss
Travis Goethel
Mike Mitchell
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 am
3rd round picks now are on max 4 year deals, and some maybe 3 year deals (Bcz confirmation??).
Guys have to play pretty immediately these days.
Waiting 2 years to play, than a year or two to develop just isn’t feasable, as much as it probably is appropriate.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:27 am
Thec07 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 am
2 – “His problem is not accuracy it’s technigue, footwork and maturity as a QB. Accuracy is not the issue with him.” – where do you think accuracy COMES FROM??? (hint, hint, – it’s something called technique and footwork lmao!!).. Setup, foot plant, etc etc all cause balls to sail off target.
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It was also recently reported that his footwork has improved.
PRYOR graded out as a mid to late first RD pick if he had of stayed at Ohio St U. Its not talent that has been the issue its his character, or decisions the young man made.
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That’s just speculation.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:27 am
PRYOR also got a higher woderlic score than
Newton
Mallet
Locker
PRYOR also meets the criterion of the QB theroy 26-27-60
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/34683/beyond-those-qb-wonderlic-scores
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:30 am
Pryor shouldn’t start this year, but he’s got a runners chance next year! But who knows…Campbell goes down…it is kinda scary that possibly the next man up is Boller! With taht being said, I hope the Raiders don’t rush him in like JaMarcus. He was picked to hopefully be our future!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:32 am
Listening to Pryor talk, he certainly isn’t a dummy.
Arrogant? Yeah a little, he needs to be humbled some more.
However, if Pryor doesn’t make it in the NFL, I don’t think it will be a between-the-ears issue with him, like it was with Jamarcus.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:33 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 am
I will respectfully disagree with a little RM99.
While it is true you don’t want to try to change a leopards spots, Pryor needs to not rely as much on his athleticism at the next level.
As the saying goes, in college they will chase you, in the NFL they will catch you.
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I agree with your disagreements !
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:34 am
That’s just speculation.
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Reminds me of your post’s…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:35 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:32 am
Listening to Pryor talk, he certainly isn’t a dummy.
Arrogant? Yeah a little, he needs to be humbled some more.
However, if Pryor doesn’t make it in the NFL, I don’t think it will be a between-the-ears issue with him, like it was with Jamarcus
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Have you heard him talk recently? He has been humbled by hwat went down…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 am
NFC scout comment on PRYOR’s pro day;
His release was way more natural, and you could tell he’s been working on his footwork. (Pryor) was pretty accurate and the ball just jumped out of his hand. It was a lot better than what I expected.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:38 am
IF PRYOR SHOULD WIND UP THE 3RD QB,U JUST KNOW HE WILL SEE ACTION AT SOME POINT..MOP UP OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.EVERY LIVE ACTION SNAP WOULD HELP THE LEARNING PROCESS.JUST DO NOT THINK HE SHOULD BE IN THAT SITUATION QUITE YET.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:40 am
Anyone hear Pryor’s interview during the game last night ?
Thought it was pretty funny when Gruden said “Don’t tell Mr. Davis you’ve been talking to me”.
Pryor said he stayed a few extra days working with Gruden and mentioned still watching tapes Gruden gave him.
The young man seems very coachable and I believe he’s going to work his tail off.
I don’t bet against guys with that type of desire and athletic ability.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:43 am
I think the best thing that can happen to Pryor this year, is that he gets on the field, see’s a wide-open receiver underneath but decides to tuck it run himself, and gets blasted by a LB.
Teach him the value of staying the pocket and letting the other guys do the heavy-lifting.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:43 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:38 am
IF PRYOR SHOULD WIND UP THE 3RD QB,U JUST KNOW HE WILL SEE ACTION AT SOME POINT..MOP UP OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.EVERY LIVE ACTION SNAP WOULD HELP THE LEARNING PROCESS.JUST DO NOT THINK HE SHOULD BE IN THAT SITUATION QUITE YET.
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Agreed…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:49 am
Need to get this run stop thing fixed…
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Thec,
same old song & dance routine with HJ as HC, right?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:50 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:06 am
And oh, by the way…I would like to thank all those FN idiots over across the bay who cannot handle their FN liquor and decide to ruin the game for many people out there! My wife is keeping my kids home this Sunday because of this and I just wanted to give all you FN DONKEY’s the FN Finger!!! FN Wannabes!!!! F YOU!
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Sorry to hear you had problems at the game…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:51 am
I compared Pryor to Cam Newton.
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Buckeye,
I hope you’re dead wrong. Cam Newton will be a BUST in the NFL – straight up JaMarcus bad
Terrelle Pryor over Scam Newt 24/7 – Print That!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:52 am
I think the only way Pryor starts a game is near the end of the season IF we have already tanked and have nothing left to play for OR already have the division locked up, the former obviously being MUCH more realistic.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 am
Hue has proven over the last few months, that he is the biggest BS artist this organization has seen as a HC since I’ve been alive.
Not mad at him for it, just saying, Hue will feed you a line and not think twice about it.
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Kind of like Mistic or Priest, no?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 am
If Kim Newt can start week one for Carolina then TP can see action before the year is over with the Raids.
Of course, the chances of Pryor seeing substantial action are reduced if the Raids are in the hunt for the AFC West crown or the playoffs.
If however, JaJason melts down or taps out and the season is going down the tubes there’s little reason NOT to get TP on the field. Give him a taste and get an idea of what he brings to the table.
Have to consider what sort of priority drafting a QB in 2012 will be. Playing Pryor this year if the Raids are out of it isn’t a terrible thing.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:57 am
Bcz,
Don’t exclude Soup getting “nicked” as well.
If it is week 9, and Trent Edwards is stinking up the joint (I’m sure a good chance in your eyes) there will be pressure to put Pryor in from up top.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:57 am
LET PRYOR SIT THIS YEAR.
SHOULD NOT TAKE LONG 2 SEE IF HE HAS NFL QB SKILLS
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Agreed with Dirt Lot!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:58 am
SOME KIDS LEARN AND ADAPT TO THE PRO GAME QUICKER THAN OTHERS,SOME NEVER DO.WILL SEE WHERE HE IS AT IN WHAT,6-7 WEEKS AFTER SUSPENION AND GO FROM THERE.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:59 am
Pryor shouldn’t start this year, but he’s got a runners chance next year!
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Agreed with Hwnrdr
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:00 am
Anybody actually know what Pryors wonderlic was?
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 am
Someone posted yesterday that Al was changing his stripes about the typical drop back pocket passer and that the scrambler type was his fit for the team.
Anyone see that?
Also what did we get for next years 3,4,5 pics? talking heads start everything off with Raiders do not have 3.4.5. But nobody mentions what we got for those pics. not to mention the pic we get for Nnamdi
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 am
************OSU TP**************
I watched TP his whole career and accuracy was an issue at times. I am not a big TP fan but for the money we paid for him and possible upside he was a steal! They can paint Al in a bad light all they want but he did this right. TP is a winner and he does have fire and outside of the office field issues, he was field genral at OSU. This was the same kid that came into a USC game as a freshman after a senior QB got the $#!t knocked out of him and actually held his own. One thing that could help TP is he did a good job finding his TE and hitting backs out the backfield on screens and such. He needs to elarn how to throw a better come back route pass to the sideline.
TP before the issues was a late first round pick. We got a steal. We don’t have a QB and are in need of a spark after this year. How the heck can they say Al got this one wrong? He bought low and for once.
Plus, unlike Jamarcus he never had issues with work ethic and he backed up his “arrogance” on the field. This kid learned more from getting humbled at OSU then most guys will going straight to the pros with nothing knocking them down a few pegs. There are plenty of athletes who come into college or the NFL and they are arrogant and think the Superman. Lets be real, they’re jocks!
And for the last time he did not bring Tressel down. Tressel being dishonest broought Tressel down. TP brought himself down be accountable!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 am
Tim Tebow (1), Cam Newton (1), Blaine Gabbert (1), Jake Locker (1), Christian Ponder (1), Jimmy Clausen (2), Colin Kaepernick (2), Andy Dalton(2).
All of these QB’s were taken in rounds 1-2 over the last 2 years.
Outside of Newton, none of them is more talented than Terrelle Pryor.
Yes, he needs a lot of work, but the same can be said for each of those QB’s, specially athletic types like Cam, Tebow, Locker and Kaepernick.
I mean, the 49ers used a 2nd round pick in Kaepernick from Nevada where he ran a “gimmck” offense and most “analysts” liked the pick, how can they diss Pryor as a 3rd rounder now?, he’s a similar player with superior talent who actually succeeded at the highest level in college in what’s usually regarded as a pro-style offense.
Same goes for Cam Newton, similar player with seemingly a better arm right now but who played in a run option offense?.
I like the Terrelle Pryor gamble, as many have already mentioned, if Pryor had remained in College he would have been next year’s Cam Newton and a certain day 1 pick, so instead of using next year’s 1st or 2nd round to get Pryor, we grabbed him for a 3rd, smart move.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
SHOULD NOT TAKE LONG 2 SEE IF HE HAS NFL QB SKILLS
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Probably said something similar about JaJason.
7 years later….
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
I think the only way Pryor starts a game is near the end of the season IF we have already tanked and have nothing left to play for OR already have the division locked up, the former obviously being MUCH more realistic
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BCZ,
what happened to “In Hue We Trust” ???
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
Yeah, no doubt he needs to sit he has been out of game action for to long.
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246.RaiderRockstar Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:57 am
LET PRYOR SIT THIS YEAR.
SHOULD NOT TAKE LONG 2 SEE IF HE HAS NFL QB SKILLS
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Agreed with Dirt Lot!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
Thec07…
I didn’t go to the game, but my family were going to come out to the Coliseum for Sunday’s game to enjoy the tailgating festivities, as they did last year (and during a Niner/Raider game no less). But due to what happened last week with the gun fire, my wife, doing what probably all mothers would do, decided to not go and stay home with the kids, where it is safe. And to some extent, I don’t blame her!
Sorry for the rant, but…
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:04 am
I like the Terrelle Pryor gamble, as many have already mentioned, if Pryor had remained in College he would have been next year’s Cam Newton and a certain day 1 pick, so instead of using next year’s 1st or 2nd round to get Pryor, we grabbed him for a 3rd, smart move.
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And we get to develop him for a year…
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:04 am
CDERaider, post 127.
Well said man, great post.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:04 am
hwnrdr Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 am
Thec07…
I didn’t go to the game, but my family were going to come out to the Coliseum for Sunday’s game to enjoy the tailgating festivities, as they did last year (and during a Niner/Raider game no less). But due to what happened last week with the gun fire, my wife, doing what probably all mothers would do, decided to not go and stay home with the kids, where it is safe. And to some extent, I don’t blame her!
Sorry for the rant, but…
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No worries Bruh…
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:05 am
Bob, are we the only ones that can see this as being a good pick because we are Raider fans? I don’t think so but man ESPN was going off on the pick! It seems like everytime we make a gamble on a player we are crazy. One ESPN Analyst last night had enough nerve to say the fact that the Raiders picked him up shows that he is a complete bust! The only way we are going to shut these haters up is by just winning!
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252.Bob Marley Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 am
Tim Tebow (1), Cam Newton (1), Blaine Gabbert (1), Jake Locker (1), Christian Ponder (1), Jimmy Clausen (2), Colin Kaepernick (2), Andy Dalton(2).
All of these QB’s were taken in rounds 1-2 over the last 2 years.
Outside of Newton, none of them is more talented than Terrelle Pryor.
Yes, he needs a lot of work, but the same can be said for each of those QB’s, specially athletic types like Cam, Tebow, Locker and Kaepernick.
I mean, the 49ers used a 2nd round pick in Kaepernick from Nevada where he ran a “gimmck” offense and most “analysts” liked the pick, how can they diss Pryor as a 3rd rounder now?, he’s a similar player with superior talent who actually succeeded at the highest level in college in what’s usually regarded as a pro-style offense.
Same goes for Cam Newton, similar player with seemingly a better arm right now but who played in a run option offense?.
I like the Terrelle Pryor gamble, as many have already mentioned, if Pryor had remained in College he would have been next year’s Cam Newton and a certain day 1 pick, so instead of using next year’s 1st or 2nd round to get Pryor, we grabbed him for a 3rd, smart move.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:05 am
Also what did we get for next years 3,4,5 pics? talking heads start everything off with Raiders do not have 3.4.5. But nobody mentions what we got for those pics. not to mention the pic we get for Nnamdi.
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Actually, I think we have a 5th, but not a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
That will change with compensation for free agents.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:06 am
POST-247.I MEAN AS FAR AS BEING ON ACTIVE ROSTR IN 2011..
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:06 am
Bcz24
See Thec post 228…wonderlic.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:08 am
Don’t exclude Soup getting “nicked” as well.
If it is week 9, and Trent Edwards is stinking up the joint (I’m sure a good chance in your eyes) there will be pressure to put Pryor in from up top.
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JFB,
I don’t like it. If JCamp gets “nicked” (out 5 or 6 weeks) Boller or Edwards should start at QB.
If one of those guys get hurt, let the other start and sign somebody else off the street to be #2 like Charlie Frye or J.P. Losman – both familiar with the system, maybe even Troy Smith?
I don’t want Terrelle Pryor starting any games for my Oakland Raiders in 2011. Save him for next year. Let him compete for the starting gig in the offseason of 2012
And don’t give me that crap about getting your feet wet. TP should be WAY ahead of any rookie coming in next year sitting, watching & learning from Jackson, Saunders and the other vet QB’s this season
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:08 am
Looking at that MUP list, there is some people that are about to be elimanated here shortly, lol.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:14 am
Like I said earlier Pryor needs to stay in a 1 system and not have to learn a new playbook every year with a different coach. Say what you wana about Jason Campell not being a great Qb,,, I agree with that but he IS a great professional. So if he can learn from Jackson and Saunders how to be a legit Qb, and learn from Campbell how to be a professional,, I really don’t see how this can’t work. Would we rather have Kapernick in the 3rd rnd, or Pryor in the 3rd rnd? And for those who keep saying we need to address the O-line,, didn’t we draft 4 potential starting lineman the past 2 drafts? Didn’t we sign some veterans as well? It’s about putting the best men on the field now. If we didn’t take Pryor now,, the first interception JC throws people will be screaming about how we shouldve addressed the Qb issue in the draft. We’ve just done both for a fraction of the price we paid JaMarcus Russell.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:15 am
CJ Legend 34
“Bob, are we the only ones that can see this as being a good pick because we are Raider fans? I don’t think so but man ESPN was going off on the pick!”
I think actual NFL people see it too, I’ve heard Jim Mora had good things to say about Pryor and Jon Gruden speaks highly of him as well.
Look, it’s a gamble, the kid may never make a start as a QB in this league but the point is he’s certainly worth a 3rd round flyer.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:16 am
- Shootings and stabbings at the stadium!
- Pick up Pryor a reach, a bust, the guy who brought Tressel down.
- Al davis is past his prime, his time is gone.
- Oakland will do good to win I think it was 6 game
- They don’t like what Oakland is doing.
- It is hard to ss the Raiders going that far under Al Davis
All these statments were made on Mike and Mike this morning or yesterday talking about Pryor. Can they be anymore negative? I am not saying we don’t have issues on the team , but the bias they show towards other teams not in silver and black are crazy! BSPN hates the Raiders.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:16 am
Thec stole my thunder =)
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:16 am
Local sports radio 1230 and I had a 15 minute argument about Pryor and the Raiders. Basically I stated it was of little risk and a high upside. But the bitterness in Ohio is strong and facts mean nothing when emotion rules, Told him to read JerryMac or Corkran and he had no idea who they were.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:17 am
Could not agree with you more. Almost every QB making it big in the NFL from college is a flyer and a gamble. Only we found a way to do it on the cheap!
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267.Bob Marley Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:15 am
CJ Legend 34
“Bob, are we the only ones that can see this as being a good pick because we are Raider fans? I don’t think so but man ESPN was going off on the pick!”
I think actual NFL people see it too, I’ve heard Jim Mora had good things to say about Pryor and Jon Gruden speaks highly of him as well.
Look, it’s a gamble, the kid may never make a start as a QB in this league but the point is he’s certainly worth a 3rd round flyer.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:18 am
I want on the MUP list for “other” Moore
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 am
BCZ,
what happened to “In Hue We Trust” ???
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I trust Hue, it is STILL more likely that by week 14 that our season is tanked than us already having our division won.
Its a simple reality. I dont believe this very young and growing team is going to be winning enough games to seal the division before the end of the year.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 am
Pryor can also contribute as a Brad Smith QB/WR wild card if he can’t make it a as full-time QB and Smith got a multi-million dollar contact from Buffalo this year even as the Jets clearly did not take advantage of his skills, at least not enough in my opinion.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 am
Later, Go Pryor!.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:22 am
Yeah some schmo was on ESPN radio last night, just wailing away at the Raiders and Pryor.
Basically said Pryor is a bust, and the fact that the Raiders drafted him proves that he is a bust.
How does that make any sense? A guy isn’t a bust, until he is a bust right?
Obviously the Raiders deserve to take some shots in the press, we have stunk up the joint the last 8-9 years.
But a true asset to media, in all facets of journalism, is the ability to seperate each seperate situation from the next. We are not seeing any of that right now.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:22 am
If we didn’t take Pryor now,, the first interception JC throws people will be screaming about how we shouldve addressed the Qb issue in the draft.
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Rick,
good football teams plan for the future. 3 former starting QB’s from Washington, Baltimore & Buffalo that didn’t pan out are playing QB for us and all of them are on 1-year contracts. That’s not a good formula for success imo
Terrelle Pryor was needed. Glad he’s in Oakland
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:23 am
Pretty Ricky you raise a good point that no one is giving Oakland credit on. Unlike the years before you a role model in JC, a coach who was Offensive Coordinator and a WR coach and a QB coach and you have Gruden helping TO out. By the way Hue was mentored by Gruden. And has Al Saunders to help him develop. I think we were in a good position to take the young man.
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266.Pretty Rick Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:14 am
Like I said earlier Pryor needs to stay in a 1 system and not have to learn a new playbook every year with a different coach. Say what you wana about Jason Campell not being a great Qb,,, I agree with that but he IS a great professional. So if he can learn from Jackson and Saunders how to be a legit Qb, and learn from Campbell how to be a professional,, I really don’t see how this can’t work. Would we rather have Kapernick in the 3rd rnd, or Pryor in the 3rd rnd? And for those who keep saying we need to address the O-line,, didn’t we draft 4 potential starting lineman the past 2 drafts? Didn’t we sign some veterans as well? It’s about putting the best men on the field now. If we didn’t take Pryor now,, the first interception JC throws people will be screaming about how we shouldve addressed the Qb issue in the draft. We’ve just done both for a fraction of the price we paid JaMarcus Russell.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 am
I said it before and I’ll say it again…. I’m F-ing PUMPED about our backfield (DMAC, Bush, Jones, Reece)… Throw some QB sneaks & naked bootlegs in with Pryor and nobody stops the Silver & Black this year!! Great move bringing in Pryor almost risk-free and psosibly not gobbling up a roster spot until week 6….
Al, you still ARE the F-ing man!!
GO RAIDERS!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:31 am
Its a simple reality. I dont believe this very young and growing team is going to be winning enough games to seal the division before the end of the year.
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BCZ,
I think we have the talent on this football team to make some noise. Al Davis always stacks the roster. Got no problems there.
Coaching & injuries will tell the story of this season imo. If the injuries keep piling up at the same rate they have been the past month or so (whenever the lockout ended) I don’t we have much of a shot.
2011 there are no heavier shoulders than those of Jason Campbell & Rolando McClain. Leader of the Offense & Defense.
Last year we could rush the passer & run the football.
This year we gotta stuff the run (at least 20th instead of 29th) & pass the football (at least 15th instead of 23rd)
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:31 am
CODE BLACK 2011! YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:32 am
Todd McShay blasted this pick too… basically said Pryor was a bust as well… mingya can you really call a guy that is making less than our long snapper a bust? IMO the ‘bust’ label doesnt apply to anyone outside of the first (and maybe the second) round. There are at least 160 players drafted after round 2 every year and maybe 40-50 them truely contribute, and what like 15-20 are impact players? Even a generous estimate of 50% of these contributing makes all these picks a crap shoot anyways. Its hard for me to label that a bust.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 am
RRS….we had a good running team but we werent truly great. That number 2 ranking is a great way to fool you
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:35 am
I think we have the talent on this football team to make some noise. Al Davis always stacks the roster. Got no problems there.
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I think you are missing my point. I am not saying I expect this team to fail. I am saying it is NOT realistic that we will win 12 or 13 out of our first 14 games this year, which is what I think would be required to win this division BEFORE the end of the season. I think the AFC West winner will be 10-6 or 11-5
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:35 am
2011 there are no heavier shoulders than those of Jason Campbell & Rolando McClain.
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110% correct.
Would like to see more from Soup and Pain McClain this preseason.
Can’t be giving up 100+ yards rushing in the first half on D (McClain) or failing to score a TD in about 7 drives so far (Soup).
I’m not so sure, a preseason game has been more important than this weeks game will be for us in a long time.
Definately need to play better and build some confidence going into the opener. And definately can’t have the week 3 preseason game debacle against the Saints we had a few years ago, when Brees scored TD’s on his first 3 drives, and we were miserable offensively with Jamarcus.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:35 am
We were decent rushing the passer but cant get natural pressure with Shaughnessy,Seymour,FAILY and Houston. Lack a dynamite edge rusher
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:39 am
Lack a dynamite edge rusher
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According to Priest, we have one in Jarvis Moss.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:41 am
the ‘bust’ label doesnt apply to anyone outside of the first (and maybe the second) round
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BCZ,
Agreed. Kirk Morrison & Johnnie Lee Higgins are NOT busts
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:41 am
With all the schit Hue talks next time your ass gets inside the 5 RUN IT FOUR STRAIGHT TIMES UNTIL YOU GET THE TD!…….this is what i mean abouut not having a true dominant run game. The staff doesnt truly trust 100pct they can punch it otherwise they never get cute with the calls. But hey i’d be weary too if my interior oline was soft and my FB COULDNT BLOCK THRU A CLASS OF 4TH GRADERS!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 am
Jarvis Moss fkin sucks….he is a fringe NFL ppplayer….bust….our best edge rusher plays SLB and after that its Trev Scott
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:45 am
Agreed. Kirk Morrison & Johnnie Lee Higgins are NOT busts
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Absolutely not. They both contributed to this team, obviously not as much as we as fans would have liked but that doesnt make them busts.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:45 am
it is NOT realistic that we will win 12 or 13 out of our first 14 games this year, which is what I think would be required to win this division BEFORE the end of the season. I think the AFC West winner will be 10-6 or 11-5
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BCZ,
You don’t think it’s possible we lose to New England & Green Bay, but beat everybody else?
who are you afraid of? the Jets & Chargers?
NY still has Mark Sanchez at QB and we swept SD last year
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:45 am
We ran it 3 of the 4 times in the red zone on Sat, only problem was Reece got one carry and Soup decided to have a “carry” as well.
I remember seeing some stat this offseason, where 3rd/4th and 2’s were converted more frequently on passes than runs last season and the conversion rate for 3rd/4th and 1’s running the ball was the lowest ever in recorded history.
Point being, NFL defenses don’t let you line up and plow forward for a yard or two like they used to.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:46 am
our best edge rusher plays SLB and after that its Trev Scott
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ROG is correct
Wimbley is the sack artist. That’s what we’re paying him for
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:46 am
Does anyone really care about what Tod McShay thinks? We all know at ESPN,, it’s a part of their job description to talk bad about the Raiders, and a part of their job description to talk good about the Patriots,, that’s why they say it’s a bad move for the Raiders to take Pryor in the 3rd rnd of the supplemental draft, but it was great value for the Patriots to take Ryan Mallet in the 3rd rnd back in Aprils draft. Whew!!!! Pretty Rick is on fire!!!! I need some ice to cool down! Lol
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 am
On Saturday, Campbell didn’t see a wide open Boss on the bootleg from the 2 yard line on 1st and goal. I don’t blame the play calling. Hue won the element of suprise on that play, but Campbell blew it.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:48 am
Time to demote Loper and Carlisle at the least…..Wiz go to LG and Bruce Campbell to RG……time to make a dash and not let this season be a waste
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:48 am
3rd round picks can only be busts if they get drafted and don’t even make the team a la Quinton Moses.
2nd round picks can be busts if you get little to no production from them. Tui and Pat White are good examples. Busts of a 2nd rounder.
Other than that, even at this stage, I wouldn’t call MM34 a bust, even if he gets IR’s this year.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
usually I despise anything about Ohio State (except of course Jack Tatum, RIP), but the way BSPN corporate and its shills are hating on Pryor for becoming a Raider makes me want to welcome the kid with open arms whether he pans out or not.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:50 am
Haven’t got to watch the 2nd half of the game yet.
All attention will be on Bruce Campbell.
The guy is like the lochness monster. Always talked about, but never seen.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:50 am
Not to beat a dead horse, but did the police ever release info regarding the shooter(s) at Saturday’s debacle after the Whiner game? All the Raider fan bashing on PFT really pissed me off…
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:52 am
Point being you promote Coddled players like the two who went up to Seattle….that soft ass way of thinking Vegas is the reason we get punked…..waaaaaah NFL defenses this and that so let’s have an excuse for being pansies waaaaah….spare me that bs stat….are they men or what?
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
Ryan….that play is stupid….SF has a good front 7…..dammit show you can punch it in vs a good dline front for once
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 am
Time to demote Loper and Carlisle at the least…..Wiz go to LG and Bruce Campbell to RG
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ROG,
you’re one of Hue Jackson’s biggest fans. If Loper & Carlisle start over Wiz II & BCamp at guard Week 1 against Dungver, you gotta think they are the best players at that position at that time
midseason? maybe not. But Stef & Bruce have not ever started an NFL game. Bob Wylie doesn’t want to be responsible for ending Jason Campbell’s career
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 am
Raiderinpa….pay that no mind…it was mostly niner fans fighting niner fans and it was so norteno gang bullschit
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:57 am
ou don’t think it’s possible we lose to New England & Green Bay, but beat everybody else?
who are you afraid of? the Jets & Chargers?
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I think we are good enough on our best day to be the Pats and Packers, but also bad enough on our worst day to lose to the Bills or Broncos. Consistancy is key, and I think we are still a year or maybe even 2 away from that. We have a VERY young team.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 am
RRS…..LOPER is not a nfl starter….cooper is old and isnt a power RG….its a waste of time….interior oline gets no push to give me confidence for this season. Get them out now
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:59 am
All attention will be on Bruce Campbell.
The guy is like the lochness monster. Always talked about, but never seen.
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I saw one play by Bruce Campbell. It was the 4th and 2 run by Michael Bennett… Campbell looked awful. Didnt touch ANYONE.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:00 am
Bcz….the consistency angle is played….to have consistency you need the best players on the field and the Raiders havent done that of late
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:00 am
303.BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:54 am
Ryan….that play is stupid….SF has a good front 7…..dammit show you can punch it in vs a good dline front for once
Was Bush involved in any of those wasted 4 downs? JC was on 3 of them and Marcel Reese…Marcel Reese? Really? On a goal line run?
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:02 am
The guy is like the lochness monster. Always talked about, but never seen.
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ROFLMAO….
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:03 am
RRs…yall may think Im nuts but I KNOW WE GOT THE BEST TEAM IN THE AFC WEST and the talent to win 11 games….the players are there yet backups are starting. i loove Al but his preference for the scholly pplayers will ruin 2011
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 am
I was stateside eyas ago at the debut of Art Shell 2.0 Monday vs. Chargers.
Aside from our awful offense, I was intruguied by the Norcal Bloods getting into it with SoCal Bloods.
As I enjoy watching commoners engage in combat, I lack the knowledge of the significance of why Bloods would battle other bloods…
Can some street savy mendicant please explain this?
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 am
yall may think Im nuts but I KNOW WE GOT THE BEST TEAM IN THE AFC WEST and the talent to win 11 games
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Not at all Bruh…I am off the deep end i say 13
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 am
I guarantee your asses if they listen to me and change the FB,NT,WLB and interior oline the Raiders gonna make noise. its so close to haening and our staff and mgmt bout to fk it off!
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 am
I think we are good enough on our best day to be the Pats and Packers, but also bad enough on our worst day to lose to the Bills or Broncos. Consistancy is key, and I think we are still a year or maybe even 2 away from that. We have a VERY young team.
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TRUE – we went toe to toe with a playoff hungry Colts team last year and kept Peyton Manning in check. Problem was we couldn’t contain their 31st ranked rushing “attack”
Does Hue Jackson get ANY of the blame if we play down to the competition again and lose games to the Bills, Browns, Dolphins & Lions on the schedule?
Does Rolando McClain get ANY of the blame if we finish bottom 5 in Run Defense again? If not, I think Q Groves may commit suicide and Tommy Kelly might get depressed and drop the boxing and go back on that chili dog diet
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:07 am
I think that we are going to be alright on the offensive side of the ball, I have some reservations about the defensive side however. We should get just 1 solid veteran with experience, Lito Sheppard is still available it would not hurt to give him a try. Our OLB’s are not looking to good, by the sight of both preseason games so far. Wimberly and Groves are struggling. Is it Bresnahans scheme,or is it them. In my opinion it also would not hurt to bring in Kirk Morrison as an OLB (Lofa.T just may be to banged up), we had him out of postion as a MLB when he was here—if he worked out, then Groves should sit…but we will have to address it somewhere, because opponents are attacking right where that OLB is supposed to be.
supposed to be.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 am
M Lonetree Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
usually I despise anything about Ohio State (except of course Jack Tatum, RIP), but the way BSPN corporate and its shills are hating on Pryor for becoming a Raider makes me want to welcome the kid with open arms whether he pans out or not.
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I could not agree more
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 am
LOPER is not a nfl starter….cooper is old and isnt a power RG….its a waste of time….interior oline gets no push to give me confidence for this season. Get them out now
the players are there yet backups are starting. i loove Al but his preference for the scholly pplayers will ruin 2011
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ROG,
So you love both Al Davis & Hue Jackson. Here’s your dilemma. If the backups are starting, that’s obviously a problem and directly effects the W/L column.
Does Davis mandate who starts & who doesn’t or is Hue Jax just a terrible talent scout? It has to be one or the other. Al Saunders & Bob Wylie don’t have that much clout or say in personnel decisions
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 am
if they listen to me and change the FB,NT,WLB and interior oline the Raiders gonna make noise
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ROG,
so you want Tonga, Henderson, Wiz II & Campbell to start? and who is your WLB? Goethel?
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 am
B&c. is on the stump again…and, if I am understanding his creative parlance, I agree. Raiders need:
NT: A wide bodied run-stuffer that some other team has cast off due to signing a new rookie or brand name player.
WLB: Same thing, young player wth 4-5 years starting that gets cut do to high profile player or high draft pick.
FB: Damn’t, where is Oren O’Neal?
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 am
ddwight –
Lito Sheppard & Kirk Morrison?
I’ll take’em. Not sure LS is properly schooled in the man2man though after stints in Philly, NY & Minny
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 am
Thanks BAUCTE2011…
The haters are always ready to flap their uneducated/misinformed gums…
I agree with Ddwight, a vet in the defensive backfield is a must without CJ and MM… maybe even with them…
Who do you think makes the team out of all the DBs in camp???
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 am
Does Hue Jackson get ANY of the blame if we play down to the competition again and lose games to the Bills, Browns, Dolphins & Lions on the schedule?
Does Rolando McClain get ANY of the blame if we finish bottom 5 in Run Defense again? If not, I think Q Groves may commit suicide and Tommy Kelly might get depressed and drop the boxing and go back on that chili dog diet
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Of course they get blame, the entire 53 man roster, and coaching staff is to blame for everything the team does, positive and negative.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:17 am
Also, who crowned Goethel as a great LB?? Everytime I watch him he is getting blocked out of plays… In street clothes, he doesnt even look like a LB… Whats everyone’s take on him?
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 am
Downlow….im sure you have a hard time understanding the easiest of things……Hendu is our NT u fool. Groves fkin sucks and does nada. Reece isnt a fB….try again you fkin dummy
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 am
yup, on Hunter’s long run Goethel kindly stood out of the way and beckoned him thru…
Sadly, Romo was our last good LB.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:20 am
L I B,,, being from originally from South Central LA, from a crip neighborhood,,(although I chose not to bang) no allegiance is bigger than the almighty dollar. That’s why bloods kill bloods and crips kill crips. One of my hoods biggest rivals is from another crip set,,, money is why mobs kill their own, biker gangs kill their own, and Latino or any other gang you can think of kill their own. MONEY,, back to football.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 am
Who do you think makes the team out of all the DBs in camp???
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PA,
CB: CJ37, Routt, DVD, Chekwa, Ware
McFadden, Moore & Porter are fighting for that last spot
Safety: Huff, Branch, Mitchell, Brown
If MM34’s injury is serious, that opens the door for Giordano, Bullocks or Boyd – Hiram Eugene is headed for I.R.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 am
Haha mods banning me at my work computer…now i have to only post on my phone….cowards lol……ill be back later
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 am
If MM34 is injured enough to be IRed I think they bring someone in.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 am
I have 2 main “concerns” as it relates to this whole TP situation:
1. Nobody on ESPN (or any other reporting news station) mentions the fact that the Raiders will get compensatory draft picks in 2012 and then go on to inform the readers that we will have no picks from round 2-4. When in reality, we will get at least a 3 and a 4 out of losing Nnamdi and Miller. IMO, this is a classic example of how the media loves to hate the raiders. Call it Raider Haters, call it East Coast Bias, call it what you want to call it…If most other teams brought in TP in the 3rd round, I believe reports would say “great decision…yes they don’t wont have 2nd-4th picks, but they are getting the likes of a 3rd/4th, thus this is a smart low-risk move.
2. Maybe this is my own bias as a Raider fan, but I feel like we are getting quite a bit of flack for this 3rd round pick. Compare this to Denver’s 1st rounder with Tim Tebow. Yes, people said Denver reached with this pick and yes, I think if the Raiders had a 4th, they woulda waited, so were forced to shoot the load a bit early. That being said, the two are more or less comparable QBs (with a slight edge to TP of course), thus a 3rd round project in TP seems to make a lot of sense…
Note: This is all coming from a Raider fan who is also a University of Michigan fan, so I’ve hated TP for the past couple years.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 am
There is a good 5 or 6 videos on youtube of fights from the game on Saturday.
One good one in the parking lot, which started off as a chick fight (looks like a bunch of 49er girls beating up a burly Raider chick) that escalates to a dude brawl, with some guy being laid out for a few minutes.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 am
RRS…u damn right I want them to start….I want tough guys on my field….dont know bout you…….bbl
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 am
So my agreeing with you offends you?
Lord, English no longer taught in public schools?
Allow me to expound, lest we endure 48hrs of tirade…and I’ll simplify things for the colliquial imapired:
Groves= bad, very bad, worse than waking up after fleet week and finding you made a $1000 servicing seamen and your wallet was stolen.
Reece: = bad, very bad blocker. Worse than waking up in the aforementioned scenario and finding you worked for free.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 am
Have not seen enough of tonga. If he can show he’s a skilled and nasty blocker then i think we should try to trade reese. we have a ton of weapons on the offensive side of the ball. he is a one trick pony. Its a good trick, mind you, but he still is fairly one demensional.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 am
Ross,
John Clayton did bring up that point on the Raiders 3rd round picks last night, and said that he believe we will get a 3rd for Nnamdi and a 5th for Gallery (nothing for Miller since we signed Boss).
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 am
Downlow…..ive never liked you and you bring nada to the table….dont agree with me just go ahead and die….that will be much better…thanks
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 am
Sullivan44 Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
State your predictions everyone! So far, this is the roll call:
Sullivan44: 5-11
Hendu: 0-16
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Both of your banal rancor is childish
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 am
Ross,
John Clayton did bring up that point on the Raiders 3rd round picks last night, and said that he believe we will get a 3rd for Nnamdi and a 5th for Gallery (nothing for Miller since we signed Boss).
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August 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 am
This may sound goofy but I noticed Pryor wore #2 in college,,, Im praying he doesn’t wear #2 in Oakland. That number should be retired,, the last 2 Qbs to wear #2 (JaMarcus Russell,,Aaron Brooks) just didn’t work out for us. T-Pry please for the love of GOD pick another number.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:35 am
Downlow…ur post before was full of sarcasm and backhanded shots….u not smart enough to pull that over on me
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 am
Just fire, link?
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:39 am
PR-
Appreciate the dissertation. Crystal clear.
The Triad over here doesn’t permit inner-fighting. Guess they are still old school…
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 am
Just fire, link?
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Heard it on ESPN radio around 8pm yesterday.
He just stated that the Raiders “gambled” with a 3rd round pick, but the expectations are to regain a 3rd and 5th compensatory pick back.
Remember compensatory picks are at the end of the round, and it goes in some sort of order. So the 5th or 6th compensatory pick in the 3rd round will be like a early 4th.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:41 am
We all know that even if the Raiders start winning this year the story will be that Hue won despite Al Davis. Similar to when Gruden was here. Hue will become the hottest commodity in the NFL.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:42 am
Nice post #341, PR… Hell, give him a lineman’s number, anything but #2….lol
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:44 am
Just fire, I was asking for a link to the youtube fight.
I just found it and watched it, so nevermind.
Great commentary on modern day America. Nobody stopped the fight but half a dozen people stood around and filmed it on their smart phones.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 am
There is a media bias against the raiders and one of the worst perpetrators is adam schein.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:46 am
Terrelle Pryor said he was nervous about Monday morning’s supplemental draft, even if there were reports that he was wearing a silver and black sweatsuit Sunday night.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/22/SP401KQG9J.DTL#ixzz1Vrq8WgRW
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 am
323.raiderinpa Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 am
Thanks BAUCTE2011…
The haters are always ready to flap their uneducated/misinformed gums…
I agree with Ddwight, a vet in the defensive backfield is a must without CJ and MM… maybe even with them…
Who do you think makes the team out of all the DBs in camp???
I dont know who will make it, but I can tell you who shouldnt, Mcfadden, Ware, Boyd. The Seahawks had already signed Atari Bigby after I suggested that we should have looked at him, however we have a mush greater need at CB & OLB, that where I think its gonna cost us games. Lito Sheppard & Sheldon Brown had experience in MTM… Lito is available at least for nickel & or dime packages. OLB will also have to be addressed.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 am
I was noticed and insulted: neat.
NMD, the one trick pony thing is on point. It’s a luxury not a neccesity.
Personally prefer the kind of fullback that can crumple a Caddilac and punish a linebacker. Reece just doesn’t do that.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:49 am
As I enjoy watching commoners engage in combat,
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LOL!
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:50 am
That dude was out cold wasn’t he???
Hate to say it, but I think he was a Raiders fan (can’t view it now).
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:54 am
PRYOR also meets the criterion of the QB theroy 26-27-60
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Good to know, Thec. I was wondering about this.
Not that it REALLY means anything, but still…
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:55 am
Taiwan Jones ‘…pulling away from defenders as if on rails.’
DHB making strides.
Denarius a shiny diamond in the rough (haven’t heard a peep from BSPN regarding all other teams missing him).
Wiz 2.0 the real deal
Barksdale promising
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:59 am
I’ve been saying we need to replace Reece as a FB, but I didn’t see anything from Tonga that reminded me of Oren ONeal.
Reece wasn’t the problem this weekend, it was the starting RG-C-LG-RT.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:59 am
Pretty Rick Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:20 am
L I B,,, being from originally from South Central LA, from a crip neighborhood,,(although I chose not to bang) no allegiance is bigger than the almighty dollar. That’s why bloods kill bloods and crips kill crips. One of my hoods biggest rivals is from another crip set,,, money is why mobs kill their own, biker gangs kill their own, and Latino or any other gang you can think of kill their own. MONEY,, back to football.
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Exactly. And beyond that, it’s not as if most of these are well-organized syndicates. From block to block, it’s just a means of identification. One hood that rocks some red in South C has nothing to do with one in Oaktown or HP and there is a LOT of inter-fighting.
Only a few gan9s are really well organized and most that I know of are Chinese and I guess MS, but I don’t know enough about them (been doing the family thing too long to care and keep up with this sh;t).
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:01 am
I think Reece fits what we like to do.
We were able to run the ball well without a bulldozer at FB and Reece makes the passing offense so dynamic. Unfortunately, he will not be under teams’ radar this year.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:02 am
Not that it REALLY means anything, but still…
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thats correct Young, it is just a theory…
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:02 am
I think Pryor could step in now and hand the ball off to McFadden and Bush.
I think he could execute a PA fake, and roll out to one side or the other.
I think he could go into the shotgun with DMac in the backfield and DHB, Moore, Ford, and Schillens as wideouts.
I thinnk could check it down to Boss, McFadden, Bush, and Reece with no problem.
I think he could execute a screen pass.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 am
I don’t think Pryor can execute an NFL two minute drill, or audiblize at the LOS.
Running screen passes and bootlegs are fine if your the NY Jets or Ravens. Last I checked, our defense does not resemble them one iota as this stage.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:07 am
I would like to see PRYOR sit 2 years…Let him get some things worked out…
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 am
Pryor can practice now and play in exhibitions, eh?
Going to be interesting to see if we try and get him on the field in the last preseason game.
Glo is going to have to have a pro bowl year to get an extention.
Talk about the writing being on the wall.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 am
Only a few gan9s are really well organized
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Yeah like the Police…They can rack anyone at anytime with impunity…
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 am
LA to the Bay,,
Im with you on that. I’m a husband now,, the last thing I’m worried about is some gang sh,t. Where you from homey?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 am
I wonder if Pryor can get those Raiders overalls from the Miami University QB Jacory Harris. Afterall, Pryor’s team did destroy Miami, last year.
Now that I think about it, I wonder how much money Jacory was given for wearing those overalls.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 am
I don’t think Pryor can execute an NFL two minute drill, or audiblize at the LOS.
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Sure he can.
I think it would be a shotgun 3 or 4 WR 2 minute offense. Factor in his ability to run the ball, and the coach in his headgear, and I don’t see that being an issue.
Can’t audible? You don’t think he could have a couple of run plays and a couple of pass plays mastered that he could audible to?
I thought there were no between the ears issues with this guy?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 am
From what I’ve seen of Pryor, his biggest flaw is his decision-making. For every GREAT pass he makes, there’s usually another head-scratcher later in the game. If Hue can refine that part of Pryor’s game, then the Raiders might have something at QB. We’ll see soon enough.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 am
Not advocating Pryor start right away, by the way.
He should be the 3rd QB for the entire year unless it all goes wrong and we are out of playoff contention.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 am
I didn’t see anything from Tonga that reminded me of Oren ONeal.
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Me neither, Jhill
ROG = sippin on gin & juice
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 am
and he went to John Gruden QB camp…whatever the hell that is.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 am
Gangs are the new “terrorism” that those in power are using to impose their will on us and our rights. Truth is, you’re not going to find a city where the majority of murders can be attributed to gang violence. You’re more likely to get shanked by a random wino than you are killed by a gang member..and that even goes for gang members.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:19 am
Not advocating Pryor start right away, by the way.
He should be the 3rd QB for the entire year unless it all goes wrong and we are out of playoff contention.
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Agreed
It’s Jason Campbell.
If he stinks or gets injured, it’s Kyle Boller
If he stinks or gets injured, it’s Trent Edwards
If he stinks or gets injured, it’s time to find a free agent off the street (Frye, Losman or Troy Smith)
Terrelle Pryor doesn’t need to start any games in 2011. Let him brew
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 am
Pretty Rick Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 am
LA to the Bay,,
Im with you on that. I’m a husband now,, the last thing I’m worried about is some gang sh,t. Where you from homey?
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Yeah, I remember when all that stuff used to matter for some reason. Now a bunch of shorties are at it and us old heads just kind of laugh it off (smart ones anyway, I know some older dudes that still take it way too serious).
Moved around a lot, but mainly stayed off Long Beach Ave., between MLK and Vernon, West Adams for a minute, then Santa Monica then moved up to Santa Maria (Central Coast) last 2 years of high school (HUGE Raider Nation following up there). Settled in the Valley. Travel a lot for work now, insurance. Currently in Austin, TX but will be heading back to Cali around Memorial Day.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:23 am
The Raiders will get Pryor on the field in some capacity this season.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 am
Reece isn’t going anywhere that’s just another fast toy of Al Davis’s and fb’s aren’t expensive.
What we should be worried about is losing bush in a trade for picks or pick for next year. Al got burnt by not trading namdi, cwoodson,z.miler thinking that he could keep them but at the end they bounced and we were left with nothing. I think the rb market will rise once cj gets signed, bush is no where near that talent but is above average and from the looks of it he wants to get paid . Obviously our offer wasn’t that good cause we couldn’t sign him long term so I think that’s a bad sign. He is going to tear it up this year given the opportunity cause he knows his services are wanted and will be on a lot of teams radars if they know this is his final year of contract and also that we can’t afford him with all our big contacts.
Honestlly we really don’t need alot of draft picks next year we have plenty of young talent that are coming along great and some still developing. Just make that 1st rounder count.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 am
Sounds like he’s got a great attitude. Interesting to hear him talking about mechanics and reading defenses. Sounds like a bright kid.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/raider-day-on-pft-live-terrelle-pryor-paul-gutierrez/
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
According to police, there’s something like 200,000 gang members in L.A. So, if you believe that the average gang member kills one person every 5 years, the number of murders in Los Angeles per year would have to be about 40,000. Come on. L.A. averages between 300-500 murders a year. For a city of around 4 million, that’s actually low. All you have to do is think about it. But they don’t want us thinking. They want us fearing…and sacrificing what we’re entitled to.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
I was thinking of making my annual trip to the Bay to see ‘a man named Brady’ get his ass beat by the Silver & Black, but cant get to that one…
Most likely, the game I will see is Chicago, which I dont have any problem with…
Oh wait, the NFL’s 2nd biggest cry-baby (next to P. Rivers) is Chicago’s QB!!… Looking forward to seeing Big Rich pummel Cunt-ler’s face into the ground!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 am
The Raiders will get Pryor on the field in some capacity this season
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that’s fine. I don’t care if he sees the field for a couple trick plays here & there
Maybe even get some reps at WR or TE if injuries continue to plague this team
But my point is, Pryor should NOT start any games at QB in 2011. 2012 offseason he can compete for the job and if he loses to “said veteran” be #2 QB
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
I can’t see us keeping Boeller and Edwards now that we drafted Pryor to play QB. Personally, I wish we would keep both of those guys and start giving reps to Pryor at WR.
But I have to agree with M, I think it was, when he said that the exterior hate is making me welcome this guy with open arms to play QB for us.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
Sullivan/MR defending gangs all across america!
A true liberal!
P.O.S
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 am
gentlemen, ladies,
screw the “waiting period”.
week six, first offensive play for the Raiders. Pryor in shotgun. Spread receivers Jacoby, Taiwan, DMc, DHB and Denaruis. At the snap all receivers take off running fly patterns. And Pryor runs a QB draw. He only has to make one guy miss as half the defense will be straining their lungs trying to keep with the receivers and the rest will be occupied by o-linemen. 40 yards of open turf will be all Pryor sees.
next offensive series. same formation. same play except this time the QB heaves the ball long and high instead of running the draw. the defense, sensing they have seen this movie before are hesitant to cover to fly routes meaning one of those five Raider receivers is going to score on the play.
two TDs on two plays requiring no extensive practice.
why wait?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:32 am
LA to the Bay,,,
That’s what’s up,, I’m originally from Jordan Downs,,, came up on 52 Broadway. Live in South Florida now, but plan on coming back home next summer. Most of my family is still in SC, Compton,Gardena.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:32 am
Hue Jackson is conspicuously absent from all of the Pryor buzz. Anyone know why?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 am
I’m not defending gangs, MB. Just fact checking law enforcement’s overall agenda on gangs.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 am
What do you suggest he do pull his pants down like Singletary ?
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# Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:32 am
Hue Jackson is conspicuously absent from all of the Pryor buzz. Anyone know why?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 am
MR, you have never considered facts in any debate.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 am
Law enforcement buries themselves when it comes to their gang agenda. They give us these ridiculously high numbers of gang membership. Only hurts them. When you do the math using their bloated numbers, you only come up with an astonishingly low murder rate. lol. But they don’t think we’re smart enough to do the math on our own. In your case, MB, they’re probably right. Not in my case. I have a brain.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:38 am
DEATHROW 55,
I think it’s a bit early to assume we won’t be able to afford Mike Bush when he’s an unrestricted free agent in March. If he’s helping us win football games, you can bet Al Davis will try to secure his services – even if it means using the franchise tag on him, which wouldn’t offend Darren McFadden … because if Bush rips it up this season as you predict, he’s getting equal or more playing time as DMAC or DMAC is injured again
I think if Darren McFadden is healthy for 16 games, he starts 16 games and makes his 1st Pro Bowl
Bush will play second fiddle unless DMAC gets hurt or stinks up the joint. I don’t see the 2nd as a possibility …
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:39 am
Fear of gangs, fear of drugs, fear of terrorism = big $$$ for law enforcement agencies
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:39 am
Anyone know why Hue Jackson has been absent from all of the Pyror buzz? Bizarre, isn’t it? It’s all Al.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
… and big $$$ for privately-run prisons, whose lobby is hard at work as our prisons overflow.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
Did someone post earlier that Gruden is endorsing Pryor?
Thinks he’ll be a good player?
I know I saw Mora Jr on NFLN have nothing but good things to say about the kid.
I’d have to agree that he is a better prospect than the Kapernicky who we were supposedly going to take with a 2nd rd pick.
F it!
Start the kid coming outta the bye week.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:41 am
Not to stray away from football but gangs will always exist just like racism. That’s the world we live in and we have to deal with it,, not tolerate it but deal with it,, the end. Back to Football,,,,,,
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:43 am
Pretty Rick, gangs don’t attribute to as much violence as law enforcement says they do. Statistics fly right in the face of law enforcement’s agenda on gangs, in almost every line of their agenda.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:43 am
I think it’s a bit early to assume we won’t be able to afford Mike Bush when he’s an unrestricted free agent in March. If he’s helping us win football games, you can bet Al Davis will try to secure his services – even if it means using the franchise tag on him,
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Al Davis is not going to use the franchise tag on Bush. I’m pretty sure his agent wasn’t asking for anywhere near franchise RB $ during his 6 hour hold out.
Twinkle toe backup RBs are a dime a dozen.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:44 am
Keep in mind when dicussing reading defenses and 2 minute drills and such that Pryor only turned 22 in June. Soup is 30 and has trouble seeing wide open receivers in the end zone. Give Terrelle time to develop skills he has not mastered yet.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:44 am
Where’s Hue?
Where’s Hue?
How does our head coach feel about Pryor?
How does he plan on using him?
I want to hear it from him.
I’ve heard the fans tell me how Hue’s going to use him.
One problem: Haven’t heard from Hue. All this excitement…where’s the head coach of our football team? Where’s he in all of this?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:45 am
that’s “discussing”
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 am
Any news on Campbell practicing at all this week? We may see Edwards starting against NO if he doesn’t get back soon.
What was up with Boller tucking and running on sat? The dude didn’t even pump fake on 3 different runs. He had his mind made up, tucking and running only to get back to the line of scrimmage. There was barely any pressure, running full speed in slow motion.
Also i think today all teams have to make cuts today…90 down to 80.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 am
Not having to pay our QBs any significant $ is going to give us a lot cap flexibility, lol!
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 am
Last week Hue Jackson did not know who Pryor was. LOL
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 am
If New England had signed Pryor, we would have heard from Belichick.
If Philadelphia had signed Pryor, we would have heard from Andy Reid.
If the Niners had signed him, we would have heard from Harbaugh.
Raiders sign Pryor, Hue Jackson is nowhere to be found.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:48 am
Hue was real brief on questions on Pryor on the press conf. You can watch it on Raiders.com. He said that he preferred to discuss the guys that are there. I think that that is smart. No sense talking about a guy that will probably not even see the field until sometime next year.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:48 am
Pryor in the shotgun
DMac in the backfield with him
DHB and Moore on the outsides
Boss at TE
Ford in the slot
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:48 am
S44,,trust me I know that. It’s all about money. Everything in the world evolves around money.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 am
If Jimmy Hoffa was still alive we would have heard something.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:50 am
We should have an advantage every time the offence takes the field. Just think about our offensive alignment.
WR DHB 4.3
Slot Ford 4.2
TE D. Aus 4.5
AB TP 4.3
RB DMC/ T. Jones 4.3/4.2
WR D. Moore 4.3
Think about all that speed. If you are safety on the field. It would be like sitting in the middle of a NACAR track when the green flag dropped.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:50 am
What do you want Hue to do? He addressed it at the press conf. Pryor was on a plane to the bay area last night. Do you expect Hue to have a press conf about TP and Pryor is not even there. Im sure they will have a presser once the dust has settled.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:51 am
J Hill, let’s hear it from Hue! He’s the head coach. Why hasn’t he had a press conference yet to address how he’s going to use Pryor?
Surely Belichick, Reid, or any respectable coach in the league would have addressed the public by this point with their intentions and reasoning if they had signed Pryor. Where is Hue Jackson?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:51 am
I don’t think there is a real hurry to get Campbell back. Let Edwards and Boeller battle it out to see who stays and who gets cut.
Pryor has the #3 wrapped up.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:51 am
I don’t think it’s just about money, pretty rick. I think racism plays a role in it, too.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
Tay, yes, by this point, I would have expected Hue to hold a press conference. Bellichick, Reid, any respectable coach around the league, would have certainly addressed the media by this point on this kind of acquisition.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
I agree. Let Campbell sit. Lets let Boeller and Edwards sit back there until the OL is ready.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:53 am
Pretty Rick Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:32 am
LA to the Bay,,,
That’s what’s up,, I’m originally from Jordan Downs,,, came up on 52 Broadway. Live in South Florida now, but plan on coming back home next summer. Most of my family is still in SC, Compton,Gardena.
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Fasho, right in the cut, mayne. 52 Broadway? We were practically neighbors cuz.
It’s good to get up and get out but I do miss it. Seen enough of all of Cali and the rest of the country to appreciate it all though.
Too many of boys never left the porch. Couple of the ones who did are eating WASCO’s Chicken and Waffles now, LOL.
There’s a lot of talent out there, I always encouraged people to use it for the best. A lot of wasted talent in the hood.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:54 am
Check it out Sullivan:
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Coach-Jackson-August-22-Transcript/3fd7df17-2018-4b15-b00a-4e04b8f8a1bf
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:55 am
Q: What about picking up Terrell Pryor and about what he brings to the table?
Coach Jackson: Well let me say this, obviously Terrell Pryor is a very talented young football player that we drafted who is going to be on our football team. I am excited to work with him, but by no means is that really what it is truly all about. I have to do everything I can to get this football team back right, first and foremost. Obviously he is going to come here, I think you guys all know the situation that he has to sit out a little while. Once we get him here there is a process to all that and we will get him here and integrated into what we are doing.
Q: So there is no determination as to what position he might play?
Coach Jackson: No, this young man is a quarterback and I think that is where he is going to start and we will go from there.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:56 am
He doesn’t address Pryor in that post practice press conference, tay. He’s asked about it, then skirts away from the topic as quick as possible. He’s not talking about Pryor. And, it’s bizarre.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:57 am
Doesn’t mean a thing, Tay. He’s asked about it, in a routine post practice presser. And, he hardly says anything about it.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
Sullivan,
Do you think Hue didnt want Pryor? Is that what you are getting at.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Belichick, Reid, any coach like that, would have held a press conference the minute they acquired Pryor, considering the controversy surrounding it. They would have cleared the air, expressed their confidence in him. Hue’s done none of that. He just fielded a question by a reporter in a routine post practice presser, and gave them a routine answer. Then it was off to the next subject. Pryor’s all over the news. Hue isn’t. Fans only want to give Al props for this. Something doesn’t look right. It almost seems as if Hue had no say in the decision.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Twinkle toe backup RBs are a dime a dozen
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376 carries for 1,665 yards & 14 TD’s (4.4 ypc)
10 starts in 3 years
54 catches for 461 yards (8.5 avg)
Jhill, Mike Bush will be paid like a #1 RB based off of “potential” like Michael Turner was in Atlanta
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Good God MR, give it a rest already.
BAN THE TROLLS! again apparently.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
415Typical for a left wing tard…We need our leader to run out and talk to us about something he has no idea about. Lie to me lie to me!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Its possible that Hue didnt want Pryor. The guy has enough on his plate as a 1st year coach. Now he has to teach this guy how to play QB.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Give Terrelle time to develop skills he has not mastered yet.
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Agreed with Exla!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Tay, I don’t know. It would be nice if Hue would call a press conference and convince us he wanted Pryor, wouldn’t it? He’s the head coach of the Oakland Raiders, yet he is bizarrely absent from a huge story involving a controversial player acquisition. As Moss would say…sumthin’s fishy.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
Miss your morning sewing circle session 44?
Chicks love the drama!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
Now if they guy signs and there is still no presser. I would agree that that would be fishy.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 am
MR u lil dumb schit…Hue was on chroncile live yesterday talking about Pryor! U are so fukin dumb its sad….u shoulda been shot saturday
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
Hue has got much bigger fish on his mind….
Drew Brees
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:06 am
Obviously.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:06 am
Jhill, Mike Bush will be paid like a #1 RB based off of “potential” like Michael Turner was in Atlanta
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Good for him.
Just like Zach Miller was able to go out and turn his Raider production into mega $ on the open market, I have no doubt that Bush could do something similar. I said we should’ve traded him after the Tampa game a few years back for a 2nd rdr. It is what it is.
Doesn’t change the fact that he is a backup RB though. And it doesn’t change the fact that he thinks he has great feet and chooses to try and shake a guy instead of going through him.
We’ll draft a RB in the 3rd rd next year that can spell DMac and Jones for 8 carries a game or so.
No big loss for the Raiders.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:06 am
Its 3rd down, the raiders are on the two yard line. Play call is a run up the gut, bully your way for a touchdown. The ball is snapped and in an instant the raiders biggest flaw is exposed.
Samson Satele snaps the ball then inexplicably completely whiffs and doesnt manage to touch a single opponent as he belly flops into the endzone!!! How you can miss a 3oo plus pound defensive line man in goal line boggles my mind, but missing all of the 300 plus pound linemen?!?!?
On the same play Cooper carlisle gets lifted off of his feet and pancaked into the back field. He proceeds to lay on the field like he was pinned to the matt by hulk hogan!!
Khalif barnes didnt help matters,as the whole line imploded.
The result was a stop for a loss.
These guys simply are not good enough and will continued to be man handled by the more physical defensive fronts.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:07 am
Hue has fielded questions about Pryor, staying as close to the vest as possible, and that’s unnecessary. There’s no reason for him to be secretive. This is a controversial acquisition, and any respectable coach would be at the forefront right now showing confidence in it. Think about how Pryor must feel right now. Al drafts him, Al’s getting all of these props from Raider fans and even some in the press, yet he notices that Hue’s just hoe hum on it. Pryor has to be wondering if Hue didn’t want him. And, maybe he didn’t. And, if that’s the case, why is he here? Why wouldn’t Hue have a say in a QB acquisition? He’s only the head flippin’ coach of the football team. But assuming Hue did play a role in it, why’s he so mum on the topic? He should have called a press conference by now to address the Pryor signing exclusively. He’s done nothing of the sort yet. Just fielded a couple of questions in routine pressers, and dodged the topic as much as possible.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:09 am
Jason Campbell is a lame duck QB.
No way we extend him past this year unless he understands that he is a backup.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 am
Mistic, Campbell had a receiver wide open in the end zone on that play he rolled out and got pushed out of bounds. Inexcusable.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:11 am
The grounds crew cut the grass at the Raiders training facility this morning and restriped the field.
Hue has yet to address this Tuesday morning prep of the field. As it is normally done on Thursday.
Anyone think Hue was for or against this? Or was this all Al? Damn….he won’t let Hue call any of the shots.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
Even Poppa, Flores, and Plunkett were stunned. You could just hear them holding their tongues, knowing Campbell’s a Davis scholarship. They couldn’t believe it. I think it was Boss, the TE. Anyhow, the LB covering him went to pursue Campbell, and he was wide open! Campbell could have just flipped it to him if he wanted to. Instead he just keeps running and gets pushed out of bounds. Ridiculous. Just lousy quarterbacking, and you can’t blame anyone but him. He had an open receiver in the end zone. An even remotely aware QB has a TD there. Campbell is worse than average.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
Pryor isnt the most important thing for the 2011 season u dummy and he is 3rd round supp pick…who needs a presser for that? MR u are a fkin clown and a coward
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
Jhill wrong…if he wins division he is back…….Mistic correct again lol…our interior ol sux!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 am
Your analogy isn’t going to sell, Don. Everyone knows the signing of Pryor, a controversial player, is a relevant story. And everyone can see Hue’s absent from it.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 am
Let’s hear it from Hue, Brien. We’ve heard it from the fans. Now it’s Hue’s turn.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:15 am
The Raiders only call press conferences when they fire people.
Besides, what do you want Hue to do, stand up there and say, Jason s*cks, so we are looking for a replacement?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:17 am
MR U PHAGGOT……Hue already talked about Pryor on chronicle live!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:17 am
I want Hue to say something, Kirk, other than just skirting around reporters’ questions. He’s the head coach of the football team. This is a controversial acquisition. He needs to call a press conference to exclusively address it, show his confidence in the QB he wanted. This is his team. He’s the head coach. Belichick or Reid would have called a press conference as soon as possible, to clear the air. Let the media and the league know…this is their guy. And they’re confident in him.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
Brien, if you can’t act like an adult, I’m not going to respond to you. Anyone else reading this, scroll up, you can see I already responded to the point Brien makes in 447.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
Jason Campbell is a lame duck QB.
No way we extend him past this year unless he understands that he is a backup.
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Agreed 100 % – unless he turns in an incredible season, which is possible, but not likely
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
mistic – that was was stinky oline play for sure. Might as well give campbell a start at guard and see what he can do. As far as satelle all i can say is that wiz 2 must not be ready.
Sully44- Raiders have always down played the facts with the media. I don’t mind this actually. Keep it close to the vest and find out the truth on gameday.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 am
Do you know what chronicle live is? A 3rd round sup layer doesnt get a whole presser dedicated to him. He is a project and wont play in 2011. Hue addressed it said they wanna take a look at him but he is more concerned with starting off 2011 season right!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:20 am
We’ll draft a RB in the 3rd rd next year that can spell DMac and Jones for 8 carries a game or so.
No big loss for the Raiders
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Agreed again, Jhill
Backup RB’s are easy to find in free agency as well.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:20 am
Sull
Controversial= Young kid trades his pants for a tattoo.
They why is CNN spending so much time in Libya? They should be at the Oakland airport!!! They mobs should be running him out of town instead of hunting for Qaddufi.
Tard!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:20 am
MR U ARE A LIAR! Belichek noor Reid calling presser for a supplimental draft player you are full of schit
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:20 am
# priesttj Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Man I was boogalooing in my car people thought I was high or crazy. I was screamin’ like a freakin fool dancing and screaming to the top of my voice. EEeeeyooow! hit me!!But thats because I am a fool rooting for a team that won’t win 1 preseason game!!GO CHARGERS!!!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
A controversial player always warrants a press conference. Belichick or Reid would have held a presser exclusively to address pryor, asap. Jackson has fielded a few questions, giving short answers and trying to change the subject. It’s “fishy”, as moss would say.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
Obviously.
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# BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
Pryor isnt the most important thing for the 2011 season u dummy and he is 3rd round supp pick…who needs a presser for that? MR u are a fkin clown and a coward
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 am
I don’t care for a press conference just make sure he doesn’t wear #2.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 am
MR you have no point….u juust being a btch right now
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 am
Mistic, Campbell had a receiver wide open in the end zone on that play he rolled out and got pushed out of bounds. Inexcusable.
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I was referring to a run play that saw our o-line get man handled as per usual.
On the play your talking about JC chose not to throw it as he didnt have a clear throwing lane. Im ok with him conserving the possession to play for another down, rather than forcing the ball while on the run and unable to stop and set his feet.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 am
Reid and Belichick would have called a press conference in this case. It’s not just any player drafted in the supplemental. It was a controversial player, who’s been in the news a lot. Any coach worth a damn would be at the forefront of this. Hue is absent. He’s fielding the same questions other players would field. “Gee what do you think of Pryor”? “oh, gee, I like him!…next” THAT’S NOT ADDRESSING IT.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 am
Am I the only blogger the scrolls past without reading every comment made by either Sullivan44 or Mistic1 Tha Supavillain ???
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 am
# BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 am
Pryor isnt the most important thing for the 2011 season u dummy and he is 3rd round supp pick…who needs a presser for that? MR u are a fkin clown and a coward
The most important thing is that we don’t win a single game so that we get LUCK!!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 am
Mistic, JC had a clear throwing lane. He had a wide open receiver because his coverage neglected him to pursue the QB. Wide open. He could have just coughed the ball to him. He was no more than 5 yards away. Campbell is awful.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 am
No they wouldnt have MR….u are flat out lying….pryor not playing at qb this year so whats the purpose of a presser?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 am
Maybe they will have a presser after he is signed.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 am
429.Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 am
Tay, I don’t know. It would be nice if Hue would call a press conference and convince us he wanted Pryor, wouldn’t it? He’s the head coach of the Oakland Raiders, yet he is bizarrely absent from a huge story involving a controversial player acquisition. As Moss would say…sumthin’s fishy.
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And if Hue came out in favor of the Pryor signing you would be in here claiming that it was all Al, and that Hue is just a puppet.
When you post it just says “Troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll….”
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:32 am
Hue Jackson is conspicuously absent from all of the Pryor buzz. Anyone know why?
{BECAUSE HE’S NOT THE COACH!!! JUST A PUPPET FOOOO}
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 am
Jason Campbell is a lame duck QB.
No way we extend him past this year unless he understands that he is a backup.
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Agreed 100 % – unless he turns in an incredible season, which is possible, but not likely
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Laughable,
Pryor wont be ready to start next year, nor will any rookie in the draft.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
It seems in the Raiders’ organization, Hue Jackson ranks no higher than the players. Basically, he’s addressing the Pryor acquisition the same way the players would. Just fielding a few questions, giving the old ho hum answers. Where’s the head coach? Who is our head coach?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
As usual MR U ARE IN HERE TO START TROUBLE….thats why u wont come to coliseum cuz uu will never show up to this site again after I get done wit ya
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
Sull
Go be a Phil and New England fan. You will not be missed.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
Aren’t any of you fools married?
If you keep responding to her she will just keep talking! Ugh…
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 am
Ho hum answers? He has a season starting on road in 3 weeks with hurt players! How much time is he suppose to spend talking about a guy who wont pplay in 2011?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 am
LOL
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# SaintKaufman Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
Aren’t any of you fools married?
If you keep responding to her she will just keep talking! Ugh…
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 am
Mistic, JC had a clear throwing lane. He had a wide open receiver because his coverage neglected him to pursue the QB. Wide open. He could have just coughed the ball to him. He was no more than 5 yards away. Campbell is awful.
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JC doesnt throw picks in the red zone. You may have thought the throwing lane was clear from your vantage point on the couch, but JC didnt trust it. Im fine with it. Its just a pre season play in the second quarter, not 4th down in the fourth quarter of a playoff game.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Beecham, saw a giant pickup truck at Candlestick sat. Had some dude in the back dancing inappropriately with a bunch of nude coke whores, with the stereo blasting, “don’t you forget about me”, by Simple Minds.*******
Of course we know you were there doin the same except you can’t dance!! Saw you on the news
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 am
Saint….married? God no I wouldnt wwish that on my worse enemy unless he is in his 40s….MR is almost there and is an admitted virgin
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 am
Madden Retard, why are you so afraid of gangs? If you’re a true thug you only go after other thugs.
Relax little dude, you’re safe in your parent’s garage aka Super Dork Headquarters.
Bros I’m back in the studio today to lay down a few more fresh tracks. These rap producers are hot on my joints. Can see this record easily going big, like Conan Obrien big.
Where’s the senile old fossil TJ? Hope he’s not in traction from doing his James Brown impression over the Pryor signing.
The old fool is straight up comedy, I’ll give him that.
TWIZZLE
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 am
Terrelle Pryor has been in the news all summer. He was the biggest story in the supplemental draft. Whatever team takes him, you’re certain to get a clear and concise explanation from the head coach. Oakland drafts him, nothing. Just a couple of routine media appearances, and short, ho hum answers regarding Pryor. “Hue, what do you think of Pryor?” “Well, I think he’s great..but I want to talk about..”. Are you kidding me? Remember Where’s Waldo? Where’s Hue?!?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 am
Mistic naw i aint fine with that non ass….we had that team dead and let em off the hook….be back later
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 am
Mistic, there was no defender there to intercept the ball! Just a Raider by himself! Campbell didn’t even have to throw it. All he had to do was just flip the ball forward, and it’s a TD. He was scared to death and didn’t know what to do. He’s no leader.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:31 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
It seems in the Raiders’ organization, Hue Jackson ranks no higher than the players. Basically, he’s addressing the Pryor acquisition the same way the players would. Just fielding a few questions, giving the old ho hum answers. Where’s the head coach? Who is our head coach?
***The Raiders don’t have a head coach,they just have some decrepid old man calling the shots.Thats why Cable is gone he did it his way and actually won games and pissed AL off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:32 am
Aren’t any of you fools married?
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SaintKaufman,
I am. I think ROG & BCZ are trying to slap a ho though
Reminds me of Cable, honestly
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:32 am
Hue didn’t want to talk about Kevin Boss until the ink was dry on his contract, either.
That’s not to say that I think Hue desperately wanted Pryor. Hue might see this as an obstacle to drafting the QB he really wants in the 1st round next season.
But it’s a little too early to tell. When Pryor is in a Raiders uniform and is practicing with his teammates, then we can read things into Hue Jackson’s silence or lack thereof.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:33 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 am
Am I the only blogger the scrolls past without reading every comment made by either Sullivan44 or Mistic1 Tha Supavillain ???Why don’t you guys get lost you NINER FANS!!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:33 am
Its hilarious hearing Pryor all of a sudden say that the Raiders was his favorite team growing up. These guys must all get a copy of the same talking points.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:40 am
… and big $$$ for privately-run prisons, whose lobby is hard at work as our prisons overflow with RAIDERS.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 am
Good stuff RRS!!
One less criminal in the Bay this year.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:35 am
Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 am
Terrelle Pryor has been in the news all summer. He was the biggest story in the supplemental draft. Whatever team takes him, you’re certain to get a clear and concise explanation from the head coach. Oakland drafts him, nothing. Just a couple of routine media appearances, and short, ho hum answers regarding Pryor. “Hue, what do you think of Pryor?” “Well, I think he’s great..but I want to talk about..”. Are you kidding me? Remember Where’s Waldo? Where’s Hue?!?
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No, you’re wrong…and a huge doofus.
The fact is, Pryor won’t be contributing this year.. at least significantly. So why detract from the focau which is the season ahead. Jesus….
we signed a THRID ROUND pick… move the hell on.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:35 am
married? God no I wouldnt wwish that on my worse enemy unless he is in his 40s
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ROG can’t handle committment to a woman, sort of like Al Davis with a Head Coach
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:35 am
focus*
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:35 am
# BadMoodGuy Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 am
Good God MR, give it a rest already.
LONG LIVE THE TROLLS! again apparently.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:36 am
Saint….yawwwwnnnn hella criminals are married….RRS lives in Missouri
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:37 am
Sull
If Hue does a presser on Pryor will you promise to run around the Niners stadium with an F the Niners shirt??
I will make some calls if you promise to do that.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:37 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 am
Mistic, there was no defender there to intercept the ball! Just a Raider by himself! Campbell didn’t even have to throw it. All he had to do was just flip the ball forward, and it’s a TD. He was scared to death and didn’t know what to do. He’s no leader.
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Hilarious. You must have seen the game from JC’s helmet cam.
If people want to run him out of town for one play in a pre season game, jC should be used to it by now. after all its mainly the same folks that never wanted him here to begin wtih.
meanwhile he is putting together a solid pre season, and coaxing production out of a maligned receiving core, and still with sub par offensive line play.
Im afraid his play on the field doesnt match your assesment.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:37 am
I handle commitments to a few lol
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:38 am
Pryor has been in the news all summer.
He is easily the biggest story in this year’s supplemental draft.
Any respectable head coach addresses this, if anything, to show a united front and make the player feel welcome, knowing there’ll be negative press.
What has Hue done to quell this? Nothing! Heck, he’s acting as if he didn’t even want him.
Chaos. Just as Rich Gannon described.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:39 am
# Smells like beeechum Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Code Black?The owners and the league talking about making us change our colors and not allowing the black and silver to be sold or allowed into stadiums after this weekend.Says it promotes GANGS and violence!!Because of what happened this weekend Could become reality!!!!!!! CODE PINK??????
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:40 am
Mistic, yes, it was one play. But it showed a clear lack of leadership. An even average QB gets rid of the football on that play and it’s a touchdown. It only takes a little awareness. Campbell was so scared he just sprinted to the sideline and left a trail of s#it behind him. He’s no QB in this league.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:40 am
# Smells like beeechum Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Code Black?The owners and the league talking about making us change our colors and not allowing the black and silver to be sold or allowed into stadiums after what happened this weekend.Says it promotes GANGS and violence!!Because of what happened this weekend it Could become reality!!!!!!! CODE PINK??????
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:41 am
# Smells like beeechum Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
NO Code Black?The owners and the league talking about making us change our colors and not allowing the black and silver to be sold or allowed into stadiums after what happened this weekend.Says it promotes GANGS and violence!!Because of what happened this weekend it Could become reality!!!!!!! CODE PINK??????
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:42 am
Dvrick, why are you just copying people’s comments and not responding to them?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 am
Dvrick reminds me of ‘Fat Kidd’
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 am
Code Blacks vanished after 1 preseason loss to the 9ers. Hue is still building a bully but she is wearing knickers right now.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 am
RRS, Fat Kidd was Jerry.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:48 am
I am. I think ROG & BCZ are trying to slap a ho though
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In MRs case, I will be the Chief of the SlapaHo Tribe
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:48 am
LOL
The St. Louis Cardinals outfielder was just minding his own business in Busch Stadium’s left field when a moth flew into his right ear and refused to come back out
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:48 am
RRS, Fat Kidd was Jerry.
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Or one of his aliases….
Jerry still better than cockran…
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 am
Fat Kidd was Jerry
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Dvrick must be Jerry (again) or perhaps Jon B?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 am
Al needs to retire. The most I can gather from all of this is that Hue Jackson did not want Terrelle Pryor, and Al forced Pryor on him anyway. This is Kiffin all over again. Chaos…the exact word Rich Gannon used. Said he and Gruden had to battle against the organizational chaos and prepare for opponents, it was a daunting task. Gruden and Gannon probably would have won 3 Super Bowls if Al wasn’t there. Considering how good the team was in spite of everything.
So, yes, Hue needs his Rich Gannon. And Jason Campbell ISN’T it. Did you see that play where Campbell rolls out and has a receiver wide open in the end zone, just 10 or so feet away? Campbell just coils up and gets pushed out of bounds.
Usual team chaos.
No QB.
5-11, tops.
Good day, gentlemen.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:50 am
Jerry, since cockran is not holding it down on this blog, why dont you have him fetch up some intel on MM34’s injury….
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 am
Usual team chaos.
No QB.
5-11, tops.
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You said that last year too…
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:52 am
Thec,
Last year during a game Jerry was logged in and chatting here. I asked him why he dont log in as Fat Kidd anymore and within 30 seconds Fat Kidd posted and said here you go Brown.
Coincidence ?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:52 am
You said that last year too…
++++++++
Guy is a sadist…loves getting kicked in the nuts all day…
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:53 am
515.MistaBrown Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:52 am
Thec,
Last year during a game Jerry was logged in and chatting here. I asked him why he dont log in as Fat Kidd anymore and within 30 seconds Fat Kidd posted and said here you go Brown.
Coincidence ?
++++++++++++
Jerry <—-Fat Kidd no doubt…
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:40 am
Mistic, yes, it was one play. But it showed a clear lack of leadership. An even average QB gets rid of the football on that play and it’s a touchdown. It only takes a little awareness. Campbell was so scared he just sprinted to the sideline and left a trail of s#it behind him. He’s no QB in this league.
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6-9 66yds 66.7 cmp% 7.3 avg 88.2 rating vs az
5-7 74yds 71.4 cmp% 10.6 avg 105.7 rating vs sf
I would say he is looking pretty good to this point
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 am
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consider who you are arguing with…
Guy is a sadist, you kick him in the nutz all day, he will still post the same dumb stuff he has for the last few years….
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:56 am
I would say he is looking pretty good to this point
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You are however missing one very important stat there my friend.
Touchdowns – ZERO. He HAS to find a way to plug it in when we get in the red zone. Period.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 am
You can watch every pass play in the NFL and I can guarantee you a WR was missed…That happens…to ALL QB’s….Not just RAIDER QB’s
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 am
A lineman misses a block and he is a bum,the QB refuses to throw to a wide open TE right in front of him and it is excused.Some logic there.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 am
Krappy I haven’t seen you post anything on PFT for a while.
Remember when you got banned from this blog, snuck over there, got roasted and humilated, then limped back here?
That was pretty hilarious, old goat. Good times!
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:09 am
Jim Tressel on Pryor: “He’s the biggest perfectionist I’ve ever been around,football means a great deal to him, his teammates mean a great deal to him, he wants to help a franchise win, and he has one of the biggest hearts of any kid I’ve been around. There was a lot of pressure on him at Ohio State. We didn’t expect him to start as a freshman at Ohio State, but we needed him and he delivered. He’s carried a lot of pressure. He’s just a special kid.”
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:09 am
# bcz24 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:56 am
I would say he is looking pretty good to this point
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You are however missing one very important stat there my friend.
Touchdowns – ZERO. He HAS to find a way to plug it in when we get in the red zone. Period.
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I agree that it would be nice to have a couple of tds in the preseason. However it is more important that the offense gets in the endzone, than it is for JC to have td passes. I would be just as pleased with a running it into the endzone.
We already know he will pass for tds this season, it isnt as if we are wondering if he can.
He doesnt have 3 of his top 4 targets and he is still pushing the ball down field and driving the offense.
He doesnt have any interceptions.
The alarm is premature.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 am
A lineman misses a block and he is a bum,the QB refuses to throw to a wide open TE right in front of him and it is excused.Some logic there.
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The satele completely whiffed, in goal line on a run play. How is that even possible there is a 300 pound opponent less than a foot in front of you. Were his eyes closed?
The qb didnt like what he saw so he didnt throw it.
If the biggest knock on your qb is ” he is too conservative or cautious” i think you are in pretty good shape.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:14 am
lefty12 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 am
A lineman misses a block and he is a bum,the QB refuses to throw to a wide open TE right in front of him and it is excused.Some logic there.
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Logic? In here? Lol. That’s why I’ve been away for so long.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:17 am
LOL at clinton portis out of the leauge.
Lil wayne caught up in a possible statutory rape case. So he is a bisexual and a pedophile, not surprised.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:20 am
LOL @ the name clinton portis.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:21 am
The Big Banana,
welcome back bro!
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:22 am
I want to see the Raiders come out on fire this Sunday right out of the gate! Prove to me and the rest of the fans that last year wasn’t a hoax, and that we can and will improve on last year (unlike JaMarcus beating Houston and Tampa and then fumbling out of the gate again)!
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:24 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 am
A lineman misses a block and he is a bum,the QB refuses to throw to a wide open TE right in front of him and it is excused.Some logic there.
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The satele completely whiffed, in goal line on a run play. How is that even possible there is a 300 pound opponent less than a foot in front of you. Were his eyes closed?
The qb didnt like what he saw so he didnt throw it.
If the biggest knock on your qb is ” he is too conservative or cautious” i think you are in pretty good shape.
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Who said bring conservative or cautious was the biggest knock on JC? I think the biggest knocks on him are #1, He is not very smart. 2, He is not a fast thinker. 3, Ge doesn’t read Defenses well at all. 4, did I mention he is NOT Smart?
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:25 am
Bears G.M. Jerry Angelo called the No. 3 defensive end spot a “concern” with Corey Wooten injured. Undrafted rookie Mario Addison has received more buzz than Gholston in camp. Nick Reed played ahead of Addison and Gholston on Monday night.
The team may also move defensive tackle Henry Melton outside to end. Basically, the Bears look like they are trying to do whatever possible to avoid playing Gholston.
-PFT
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LOL!
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:26 am
you guys are clowns
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:26 am
SupaV, Lefty, sorry for get in your convo, I just can’t help it when the subject is the most important posisition on the field.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:28 am
More bruce campbell please.
The man is a monster, and plays in a very bad mood. He showed the same last pre season, but wasnt able to control his emotions and suffered a complete meltdown. In one sequence he had back to back unsportsman penalties, and was never heard from again.
he came into the game last week and immediately looked to beat the hell out of the niners. He was able to check his self after nearly getting into a fight on his first 2 plays, and proceeded to maul their defensive front.
I think this team will win between 7-10 games this year, and developing the oline youngsters should take precedence.
Carlisle is just too light in the loafers to cut it. The inconsistent play due to inexperience or lack of polish is better than bad play from a washed up guy that lacks the talent to do what we need in this scheme.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:29 am
the Fins running game went from Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams to Reggie Bush/Larry Johnson?
LOL!
Chad Henne might be the least of thier problems…
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:25 am
Bears G.M. Jerry Angelo called the No. 3 defensive end spot a “concern” with Corey Wooten injured. Undrafted rookie Mario Addison has received more buzz than Gholston in camp. Nick Reed played ahead of Addison and Gholston on Monday night.
The team may also move defensive tackle Henry Melton outside to end. Basically, the Bears look like they are trying to do whatever possible to avoid playing Gholston.
-PFT
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LOL!
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Trade them Tommy Kelly for 2nd, or Moss for a 7th.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:34 am
He didn’t like what he saw.That doesn’t concern you?His TE was in the back of the end zone with no one near him or between him and the QB.Tell me of any QB who wouldn’t love to see nothing but green grass and a huge 250 lb. receiver 10 yards in front of him.Campbell blow the play.Instead of making excuses just say,ya,he blew it on that play,you’d sound much more creditable.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:35 am
# The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:24 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 am
The satele completely whiffed, in goal line on a run play. How is that even possible there is a 300 pound opponent less than a foot in front of you. Were his eyes closed?
The qb didnt like what he saw so he didnt throw it.
If the biggest knock on your qb is ” he is too conservative or cautious” i think you are in pretty good shape.
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Who said bring conservative or cautious was the biggest knock on JC? I think the biggest knocks on him are #1, He is not very smart. 2, He is not a fast thinker. 3, Ge doesn’t read Defenses well at all. 4, did I mention he is NOT Smart?
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I was talking about people who have a knowledgable opinion.
Jc has never been criticism for being unable to read a defense except for on this board.
Your take on how smart he is, cant be taken seriously. i would venture to guess that anyone that can learn so many different play books and be named a starter year after year must be fairly intelligent.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
Raccoon-no problem,join in,that is what this place is about.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
His TE was in the back of the end zone with no one near him or between him and the QB.
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Thats not true. There were no less than 3 defenders between JC and Boss. I watched the play about 6 times last night. He could have made the throw over their heads, no question, but to say there was no one between them is just false.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:37 am
Thanks, Rockstar!
So what’d you think of the Terrelle Pryor selection?
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:38 am
SupaV, and EVERY one of those coaches benched his slow thinking self.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:39 am
So what can Raiders fans expect from their newest member, who’ll fly to Oakland once his contract is finalized?
“A lot of wins,” Pryor said. “Just win baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the best, and I just want to win.”
Pryor has been saying all the right things. If he can do all the right things on the field, he’ll get those wins
-Mike Florio (PFT)
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
Mistic,you know as well as anyone it isn’t about intelligence.JC is a without a doubt an intelligent man.The key is how fast one thinks on his feet and is able to make snap decisions.That is where he seems to come up short.I’d love to see the guy prove me wrong this year,but that is what I see.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
Nice to know that Pryor has said that…
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:42 am
lefty12 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:34 am
He didn’t like what he saw.That doesn’t concern you?His TE was in the back of the end zone with no one near him or between him and the QB.Tell me of any QB who wouldn’t love to see nothing but green grass and a huge 250 lb. receiver 10 yards in front of him.Campbell blow the play.Instead of making excuses just say,ya,he blew it on that play,you’d sound much more creditable.
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Is there even a debate here? Clearly, he blew the play. JC himself would admit that to you and would like that one back. Poor decision on that one.
On a more positive note, I like how JC knew exactly where he wanted to go when he had a rusher coming in free. I think that was the play where DHB was pulled aside for either not cutting the route short or running the wrong route.
Speaking of which, good to see DHB get into the action. I want to see some more angry play from him.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:43 am
Trade them Tommy Kelly for 2nd, or Moss for a 7th
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Dirty Raccoon,
if we trade Kelly & Moss to Chicago … who starts next to Seymour? Henderson or Bryant?
depth:
Mason Broadine or Tommie Hill would stick at DE
Jamie Cumbie or Derrick Hill would stick at DT
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:34 am
He didn’t like what he saw.That doesn’t concern you?His TE was in the back of the end zone with no one near him or between him and the QB.Tell me of any QB who wouldn’t love to see nothing but green grass and a huge 250 lb. receiver 10 yards in front of him.Campbell blow the play.Instead of making excuses just say,ya,he blew it on that play,you’d sound much more creditable.
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Credible why because it matches your opinion?
If a qb misses a read while on the run or standing in the pocket on occasion, it isnt a big deal. It happens to every qb in every game. Im sure he will make enough plays to more than make up the difference in the course of a game.
I will wait until it is confirmed that he missed the read. it looked like he saw the play but decided against throwing the ball. Having watched Jc for his entire career, he has a proclivity for being really cautious with the ball in the red zone. This play looked like a continuation of that habit. There is no way of knowing as of now, but it is inconsequential in the long run either way.
Again JC is producing so far this pre season and looks like he is going to build on what he did last year. how is that a bad thing?
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:46 am
Former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel has said something pretty strong about Pryor’s pro potential.
“I think it’ll be scary to see what he can do for this reason — watching the progress [on Saturday] after he had just six weeks where all he did was football,” Tressel told Albert Breer of NFL.com. “College involves going to class, doing schoolwork, and the social aspects of being that age. Now that he can do football and play quarterback 24-7, and that’s really what he wants to do, his development might happen quicker than people think.
“He’s as attentive as you can possibly imagine. It means a lot to him. And he’s at his best when folks are doubting him and, I think, with the suspension you have that.”
Folks are definitely doubting Pryor now. He’ll soon get a chance to prove them wrong
-Mike Florio (PFT)
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:49 am
Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun-Times writes that the Ravens are “very interested” in free agent Bryant McKinnie. Perhaps the former Viking would play left tackle in Baltimore, with Michael Oher sliding back to the right side. Or maybe they want to try McKinnie at right tackle.
Whatever the answer, Baltimore’s offensive line looks rather unsettled as the opening week game against the Steelers approach.
-PFT
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BM over Barnes or Heyer?
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
Bcz-not true-there was 1 DB(38) trailing the play and then Willis comes in and makes the play.When he makes the tackle there are 3 guys in front of him but not before that.I’m looking at the play right now.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:51 am
DHB and JC hate makes no sense after the first two preseason games. DHB has caught every catchable ball including two tough ones last game and JC underthrew one the first game and missed Boss open in the enzone hesitated a bit on either running/taking the sack/throwing out of bounds but has thrown some lazers and confident in his arm. These guys are workers who are just going to get better. If you wanna hate, hate on the run d
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 am
# lefty12 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
Mistic,you know as well as anyone it isn’t about intelligence.JC is a without a doubt an intelligent man.The key is how fast one thinks on his feet and is able to make snap decisions.That is where he seems to come up short.I’d love to see the guy prove me wrong this year,but that is what I see.
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We see it completely differntly. I see a guy that has a firm grasp on this offense and this team. his leadership and abilty is rejuvinating a once dead passing attack. hell even DHb is now poised to brek out, following JC’s lead.
Most of Jc’s passes this preseason have not only been on the money but he is throwing people open. case and point the back shoulder catch and throw down the sideline to DHB. You cant make those kinds of plays with out being ahead of the play, or having quick decision making ability.
The concern is unwarranted
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Mistic,He is not producing.The 1st team offense hasn’t scored 1 TD.TDs=production.I don’t care if a guy throws for 400 yards.If he doesn’t get the ball into the end zone he didn’t produce sh!t.Luckily it is just practice so he can work on it.BTW,every lineman will miss a block or gets beaten once in a while also.You can’t excuse one player for a gaffe,yet chastise another for making one.
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:01 pm
If you wanna hate, hate on the run d
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inonewordraider,
can’t do that either without stepping on the McClain lover’s toes!
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Here is our future QB w/ Florio.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/0823-terrelle-pryor-paul-gutierrez/
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
# Smells like beeechum Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
I don’t expect the Raiders to do well against the donkeys.we hired a coach that previously has no experience! Other than a few players on D, we lack the talent to handle the donkeys. I probably won’t be wrong
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Braksdale over barnes cant come soon enough. Barnes looked like he couldnt even get out of his stance last week. Barksdale looked like a rookie but you can see the potential clear as day. he was up and down but his up was way better than barnes, and his down wasnt nearly as bad.
Barnes was spinning around so often it made me dizzy trying to follow. Once barkdsale get a hold of you it is over. he absolutly stone walled the defense on a few pass plays, and was a road grader on some runs.
He and campbell bullied the defense on few occasions and looked like a twosome that will just abuse defenders for years to come.
get these guys as many reps as possible.
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:08 pm
# raiderinpa Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 am
I said it before and I’ll say it again…. I’m F-ing BUMMED about our backfield (DMAC, Bush, Jones, Reece)… Can’t Throw some QB sneaks & naked bootlegs in with Pryor and everybody stops the Silver & Black this year!! BAD move bringing in Pryor very risky and psosibly gobbling up a roster spot in week 6….
Al, you still ARE a STUPID F-ing man!!
GO CHARGERS!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Mistic,I didn’t say he doesn’t have a total grasp of the offense.He has shown great leadership.He can and does make all the throws,his physical skills are without question.However,sometimes his reads and reactions are too slow.Sometimes his decision making is questionable.Those are my concerns.
August 23rd, 2011 at 12:13 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 am
It seems in the Raiders’ organization, Hue Jackson ranks no higher than the players. Basically, he’s addressing the Pryor acquisition the same way the players would. Just fielding a few questions, giving the old ho hum answers. Where’s the head coach? Who is our head coach?
# BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 -YOU ARE THE MR THAT DOESN’T KNOW SQUAT!!!!!!!!!!MR!!! MR!!!
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# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:29 am
the Fins running game went from Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams to Reggie Bush/Larry Johnson?
LOL!
Chad Henne might be the least of thier problems…
**Yeah but pound for pound they still have DOUBLE the talent on their team then we have.Ronnie and Ricky were just same ole same ole.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 am
M Lonetree Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:49 am
usually I despise anything about Ohio State (except of course Jack Tatum, RIP), but the way BSPN corporate and its shills are hating on Pryor for becoming a Raider makes me want to welcome the kid with open arms whether he pans out or not.
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I could not disagree more,Pryor stinks
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