LB Travis Goethel tears knee ligament, likely out for season
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011 at 6:07 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The injury suffered by second-year linebacker Travis Goethel in practice Monday has been diagnosed as a torn knee ligament, which will require surgery and likely cause him to miss the entire season.
Goethel got hurt in practice without making any contact with another player. Coach Hue Jackson called it one of those “freak” accidents that happen from time to time.
Goethel was on the verge of earning a starting spot as a rookie last season, when a back injury surfaced and necessitated surgery. He returned midseason and appeared in eight games.
The Raiders were looking at Goethel as a potential starter again this season. For now, it appears as if Quentin Groves is going to start on the weak-side.
Jackson was asked about the possibility of signing former Raiders middle linebacker Kirk Morrison or former Seattle Seahawks middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu.
“Every name that’s out there is” a possibility,” Jackson. “At this particular point in time if a guy can help the Raiders win, win the AFC West and continue toward our goals then we’re going to look at him. I don’t think we’ll shy away from anybody if they can help us.”
Sam Williams, Chris Francis, Bani Gbadyu, Darrly Blackstock and Bruce Davis II already are on the roster. They will get more reps in the coming days and a chance to push for playing time.
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August 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Gotta feel sorry for the kid. Second season in a row coaches want him to start and an injury gets in the way. He’s gotta be frustrated.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
1st!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
1st!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
This ACL injury may be the end of any chance he has to start at WLB for the Raiders.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 pm
The Raiders have to sign Morrison or Tatupu…or the season is over.
Can’t roll out there with Groves and just expect things to work out with the run defense.
Raiders already don’t have the big body lane clogger up front and can’t contain the edge.
Need a contributor at WLB…otherwise the season is over cause the run defense will be shhhhhhh and that spells disaster
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Al will pick someone up off the wire.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I thought QGroves was on the bubble.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Quentin Groves – The cat with 9 lives. None of the other potential canadidates on the roster looks remotey adequate.
Morrison is a tackling machine (from behind). Tatupa, I don’t know much about. I mean, really, who pays attn to Seattle?
Trevor Scot, round 2?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Raiderjhawk Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 5:59 pm
@Mike, and only retards act like they are a computer based moderator system on a blog. You kind of remind me of that guy in Grandma’s Boy who walks and talks like a robot.
Your act is just about as old as Dvricks, I don’t think anyone here actually thinks it’s “cool” or “funny” and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
(If I were a human being, I would be sad.)
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Damn nevermind but yes finally looking at MORRISON AND TATUPU AGAIN. Take em both
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Telephone attendant: Mr. Davis, there someone named Morison on the phone. Do you want the call?
AD: Yeah, put it through. Hello, who’s this?
KM: It’s me coach, Captain Kirk. I wanna come home coach. Can I, can I, can I?
AD: Who’s this again? Did you say Tatupo? No? Who?
KM: Coach, It’s me. The leading tackler for the S&B for a number of years.
AD: Oh, it’s you Mort. How you doing? What’s up? How they hanging?
KM: I heard the news & thought you’d want to talk.
AD: What news? You know something I don’t?
KM: Yeah coach, Goethel is out for the season, tore his ACL.
AD: Schit! I didn’t know that. You better come in and tell Herrera to get you a tryout. Maybe we can work something out. You are still unemployed, right?
KM: Uh yeah, I’m still surprisingly available. I’ll get there right away.
AD: You seen that Tatupo guy around?
KM: I’ve talked to him.
AD: Grab him and both of you come by. I still got a little cap space left but you’ll have to work with me on the bucks. there’s not a lot left. See you tomorrow.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Kirk Morrison and Lofa Tatupu are just two slow to start at WLB, they’d be downgrades from Groves.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Jarvis Moss looked pretty good.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Terrapin,
Scott is a situational pass rushing DE. The Raiders need to stop bsn and just get a competent player to man the position.
Its amazing that this team is so thin at certain positions (depth) that you need a microscope
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Grant irons
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Groves is descent. We need a backup LB that can play multiple positions. Hope they bring back Capt Kirk. He can play all three. There iis no guarantee that Romac or Wimbly won’t get “nicked”.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Its amazing that this team is so thin at certain positions (depth) that you need a microscope
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We need GM skills.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:17 pm
What can Mike Mitchell do? Can they put him at WLB
Man, they HAVE to do a better job with the depth on this roster….there just isn’t any in too many positions
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:17 pm
KingDan Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Grant irons
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Lol
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm
They need to move Trev Scott back to LB
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Mm34 can stop them with his crutches
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Ted Hendricks, where are you when we need you?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Too bad tyler brayton just got signed. He almost makes a lot of plays
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:20 pm
I disagree. This team has depth at at a lot of positions ….just not LB or CB. At most they could afford 1 person going down. Well 1 person just went down at LB …now things get real tight.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Next Man Up!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Mitchell was seen on crutches yesterday though. Whats he going to do. Why did we let Mr53 walk again?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Quit looking & start getting. We need LB help now!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Pryor better learn to tackle by week 6
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
@CorkOnTheNFL They should trade 4 A. Curry in Seattle. He’s on the outs up here. They renegotiated to make him FA at years end.
Thats an interesting idea.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 pm
KingDan Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Mm34 can stop them with his crutches
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I am all for running a tough camp….
But something isn’t right..3/4 of the team on the bench with a baseball cap, on the exercise bike, crutches or the hospital
I wish that toughness would translate against the opponent
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Its either Morrison or Tatupu wish it could be both and could we throw in K.Hayden
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
@CorkOnTheNFL They should trade 4 A. Curry in Seattle. He’s on the outs up here. They renegotiated to make him FA at years end.
Thats an interesting idea.
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Trade what? A 2013 pick….LOL
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:23 pm
mm34 can’t do much of anything at the moment… But if he can bulk up a little he might be worth a shot wlb. Besides special teams it might be the only way he’ll see some playing time.He’s a backup ss at the moment.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Romac missed practice today too… this is worrisome.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Best news of camp. Now we can get a REAL LB.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:23 pm
God help the NFL if Pryor is the next great QB!
You think we are RUTHLESS now…. Look out when we start winning Rings again!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Agree that we just can’t go into the season with 52 starting at WLB.
We need to make a trade.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Put Pryor at LB for now?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:25 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
@CorkOnTheNFL They should trade 4 A. Curry in Seattle. He’s on the outs up here. They renegotiated to make him FA at years end.
Thats an interesting idea.
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Wonder if the SeaChickens would cut a deal. Give them NMiller, WMcFadden & Boyd for rights to Curry.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Trade what? A 2013 pick….LOL
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Or a player. Cable loves the guys on this roster. Send them Scott for Curry. A change of scenery and not having the pressure of being a first rounder could do Curry some good. He cant be worse the Blackstock or Williams or Boyd or Davis….
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Realist – that’s pretty low. celebrating a good players year ending injury and he’s on your own team! Bad form dude.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Bring back Captn Kirk!
Kirk is a real Raider! Folks believ me, he will be great at OLB
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Really Bad break!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Is Rob Fredrickson still available?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
They need to move Trev Scott back to LB
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Replace one injury prone player with another?
Bring Back Capt. Kirk – Over 100 tackles avg. per season.
Go C-Frank!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
J Hill Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Agree that we just can’t go into the season with 52 starting at WLB.
We need to make a trade.
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Agreed. If Kirk and Tatupu are the best options left on the market, neither is a sure thing at WLB. Would rather the Raiders get someone who is a sure starter than try to plug in random pieces, especially if they’re not sold on Groves being capable of holding down the job.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:28 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 pm
RE: Pryor
Worst case scenario: effective utility player
Best case scenario: Randal Cunningham or better
Saw a lot of Pryor at the OSU. Has some work to do, but other than Ryan, Bradford, maybe Luck next year, who doesn’t?
Upside (a sexy and sometimes stupid term, I know) is ridiculous on this kid.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:28 pm
POOR GUY HURT HIMSELF WITHOUT MAKING CONTACT WITH ANOTHER PLAYER..HERE IS YOUR TOKEN CHAZ REFERENCE..
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Why not Mitchell? he can cover a tightend and he plays the run pretty well. he seems to play better the closer he is to the line of scrimmage.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Trade what? A 2013 pick….LOL
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Or a player. Cable loves the guys on this roster. Send them Scott for Curry. A change of scenery and not having the pressure of being a first rounder could do Curry some good. He cant be worse the Blackstock or Williams or Boyd or Davis….
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Have they really fallen out with Curry? Give’m Scott and Tommy Kelly….I am sure Curry is still getting 1st round money…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Is Moss convertible? 6′7″ 260#. The size & speed would work.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:30 pm
JB Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:25 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
@CorkOnTheNFL They should trade 4 A. Curry in Seattle. He’s on the outs up here. They renegotiated to make him FA at years end.
Thats an interesting idea.
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Wonder if the SeaChickens would cut a deal. Give them NMiller, WMcFadden & Boyd for rights to Curry.
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Ring ring… Hello this is Pete Carrol. Hi Pete it’s Hue Davis, can we give you our Rotten Grocires, in exchange for your left over Gourmet meal? NO? WHY not? ???
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:30 pm
All kidding and flip comments aside.
The Raiders can’t go into the season with that linebacker roster….absolutely no depth whatsoever
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Why not Mitchell? he can cover a tightend and he plays the run pretty well. he seems to play better the closer he is to the line of scrimmage.
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He’s on crutches
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Why not Mitchell? he can cover a tightend and he plays the run pretty well. he seems to play better the closer he is to the line of scrimmage.
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Because he is on CRUTCHES right now!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:32 pm
I know but he won’t be forever.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Good luck to Travis. He’s gonna face a major uphill battle now. Hope he becomes a beast somewhere when he’s healed up (preferably with the Silver & Black).
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:32 pm
This was posted about 5 minutes ago:
When he was selected No. 4 overall in the 2009 draft as the second highest linebacker selected (LaVar Arrington) in recent memory and handed a 6 year, $60 million deal, it goes without saying good and eventually great things were expected out of Aaron Curry.
It goes without saying that great things have not come to pass.
Which is why it should surprise no one that Pete Carroll has restructured the third year linebackers six year contract and trimmed it down to a four year deal that will expire at the end of the 2012 season. He had roughly $5 million in existing salary shaved off what is currently two years left on his contract as well.
With the new rookie wage scale set in place, you can expect to see several more of these bloated top ten contracts to be trimmed down, especially for players who have underwhelmed for their high draft position like Curry. Already a virtual top 10 selection (11th, Aaron Maybin) has been cut altogether and Matthew Stafford, Tyson Jackson, Andre Smith, Darrius Heyward Bey, and Michael Crabtree have failed to live up to their draft grades.
Here’s something I have learned when it comes to Pete Carroll, if he’s reducing the number of years on a contract, you’re probably not going to remain with the team after that trimmed contract expires. A good example here is former starting right tackle Sean Locklear; he had multiple years remaining on his deal prior to the 2010 season and then it got restructured to expire at the end of the 2010 season. It expired, and who could’ve guessed… Locklear is now a Washington Redskin.
LeRoy Hill was another former starter who had his contract reduced and if Carroll managed to land Takeo Spikes in the off-season I don’t believe you would’ve seen him return to the team either.
In fact the so called “vaunted” unit of Curry-Tatupu-Hill (and paid as such) no longer exists and never realized their potential, let alone spent more than a handful of games together on the field. Tatupu is gone after not accepting one of these restructured deals. Curry just got his contract reduced and Hill had his 6 year, $36 million deal torn into bits and pieces and made a free agent before returning on a 1 year, $2 million deal.
There is a pattern emerging here, especially amongst linebackers. Pete Carroll is as cold blooded a coach as there is in the NFL when it comes to roster moves and he did not draft Curry and while it’s his duty to get the most out of every player he cannot be directly blamed for his underwhelming two campaigns in the NFL thus far.
If Curry’s deal is set to expire in 2012, then you should fully expect him to either not be retained or to be retained on Carroll and John Schneiders terms which certainly will come below market value. If you have any doubts of this, just ask Lofa Tatupu, the former captain of the Seahawks defense, and captain of Pete Carroll’s dynasty defense at USC.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:33 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Realist – that’s pretty low. celebrating a good players year ending injury and he’s on your own team! Bad form dude.
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I am all about the Raiders winning! Goethel starting would make wining more difficult. He ain’t dead, he still gonna play, he still gonna make$$$$ this is a part of Football.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:34 pm
It could have been worse. Goethel could have gotten tied up with Groves and taken them both out for the year. I guess everything is relative.
We need good LB talent NOW. Get hot AD. Make a super deal where eveyone will say WOW (the positive Wow)!
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Get Timmy Cable on the rotary already…
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:35 pm
McClain: Work in progress and behind at that
Wimbley: Dynamic player who is best as a pass rusher, but not a pure LB
Groves: Scrub. Occasionally redeems himself with a solid play.
Goethel: Done. Too bad.
Remaining: Puke
Trade, Free Agent, something. The need for this existed long before Travis got hurt.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 pm
We need good LB talent NOW. Get hot AD. Make a super deal where eveyone will say WOW (the positive Wow)!
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Trade next years 1st rounder for Lamaar Woodley?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Dirty Racoon’s a dirtbag.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Dirty Racoon’s a dirtbag.
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Yep.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:42 pm
NickMiller89 Nick Miller
Thanks to everyone for the support! And thanks to all the haters it only pushes me to work harder like katt Williams said#feelfreetohateonme
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This was probably directed at some of the blog retards.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:42 pm
How much does JaDavis still count against the salary cap?
How can this team be so close to the cap without having to pay an elite QB or OL?
The Raiders need to something with that Linebacking group…seriously….one injury and there is literaly practice squad types out there.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:44 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:35 pm
McClain: Work in progress and behind at that
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You say that as if he’s a disappointment
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Woodley would be swell.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:49 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Bring back Captn Kirk!
Kirk is a real Raider! Folks believ me, he will be great at OLB
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He would be a terrible WLB, do you even know what you’re talking about? Or are you too attached to the name itself to know a terrible fit when you see one?
All you fools suggesting Kirk or slowass Tatupu start at WLB make me laugh. Hope they like the bench because that’s where they belong.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Trade for Patrick Willis.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:50 pm
LOL @ Nicki Miller going with the Katt Williams reference.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Tricky7****, so we should roll with Sam Williams?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:54 pm
I hear Shurron Pierson is looking to make a comeback.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Mum-O-Killowe Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Tricky7****, so we should roll with Sam Williams?
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No but suggesting Kirk or Lofa start at WLB in place of Groves is dumb. I don’t like Groves either but he’s wayyyyy more suited to play the position than those two are.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Wow got hell is he the new Chaz? Seriously this blows we have some young talent that are wasting away in the rehab room!
What required in a WSL speed or run stuffing ability,and has anyone seen Kirk play does he have what it takes to play the position?
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Should have never let T.Howard get away. Howard > groves
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Give the Seahawks Khalif Barnes and a late-rounder or future pick for Curry. Cable loves those castoff tackles.
Curry is young, and Barksdale looks at least as good as Barnes right now, if not better.
Morrison would no doubt be cheaper, but in my mind the guy plays soft. I don’t see any evidence that Tatupu could play outside, either. Rather have Curry. Pete Carroll not liking him means nothing. He traded for Tarvaris Jackson to be his starting quarterback, for crying out loud.
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Let’s trade MBush for A. Curry
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 pm
WLB is what Kirk played in college. Not sure about all the “too slow” comments – speed and coverage ability were always strongest assets (although he was prone to some lapses in coverage, for sure), just not playing in the middle and getting off blocks and making tackles at the LOS. Kirk is an average LB, and could at least be competition for Groves who doesn’t seem to be improving very much in his second year as a linebacker.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Gotta keep Michael Bush.
DMAC is not the most durable back in the league. He is not a 16 game guy and gets nicked up a lot.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:05 pm
Idk where this A.Curry talk is coming from, but Bush for Curry….im in Not to forget Bush is Cables boytoy
Quentin Groves what can i say, I can say watch the film fellas this guy is lucky to be on the practice squad
Curry/T Howard/Morrison/Tatupu > Groves
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:07 pm
We can trade Barnes, nick miller, nd a pick to be later(Nnamdi compensatory) for curry
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:08 pm
We dont get comp picks till March
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:09 pm
When t.howard and k. Morrison had that break out year what position was Kirk in it was MLB right?
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:10 pm
question to many of you who most likely know more about football then me. I keep hearing people saying we need tatupu or kirk morrison as a wlb as a way to sure up the run defense. But it seems to me from both the preseason games so far, as well as last year that we gave up big yards on outside runs and sweeps.
Tatupu and Morrison are both considered slower mlb’s. Wouldn’t putting them in as WLB’s even further weaken our ability to defend against he outside run? I have a hard time picturing either being able to pursue rb’s to the sideline.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:10 pm
“Jackson said it’s possible that the Raiders will take a look at former Raiders middle linebacker Kirk Morrison” -From Oakland Tribune
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Mizza Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Tatupu and Morrison are both considered slower mlb’s. Wouldn’t putting them in as WLB’s even further weaken our ability to defend against he outside run? I have a hard time picturing either being able to pursue rb’s to the sideline.
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Bingo.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:12 pm
“He is the biggest perfectionist I’ve ever been around. Football means a great deal to him, his teammates mean a great deal to him, he wants to help a franchise win, and he has one of the biggest hearts of any kid I’ve been around.” – Jim Tressell on Terrelle Pryor.
I am on record as saying I didn’t want us to take him, but now that Pryor is a Raider I hope like heck that what Tressell says about this kid is true and he turns out to be the best we’ve ever had.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Tricky shut the fk up…..Groves cant play WLB at all! He is a DE who sucks! Sign Lofa or Kirk right now. Hell sign both and cut groves
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Id rather have a “slower Wlb that knows what to do, that a “faster” Wlb that knows jack sh** about the Lb position…like i have said watch the film on this guy its disguisting
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:14 pm
I actually thought Mark Herzlich would be a solid 6th or 7th rd guy for us but…my dreams were shattered
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:14 pm
B&uce,
Defense looking a little shaky. Need to see a big showing by the 1s this weekend.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:15 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
@DjDieselLiVE Yes, Kirk Morrison and Lofa Tatupu can expect a call from the Raiders this afternoon. One of them likely will be signed.
1 hour ago
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:16 pm
our lb’s are bad. groves is a backup at best. wimbley isn’t really a lb. mcclain…sorry guys but he’s not that good at this point. this is a major concern. our best lb was goethel. now what? i’m usually an optimist but this unit is poor.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:16 pm
I don’t know that Kirk was slow, he would just bite on every play action and would routinely get glued to a blocker. Kirk could go back and play coverage.
Groves isn’t really bad in coverage, but I think that Kirk would be better in run support. Fewer responsibilities for him there. Can cut it loose a bit more and use athleticism.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:17 pm
and ricky brown signed w/ the pats. why the heck didn’t we bring him back?
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:18 pm
SnB– agreed when the niners offense looks good although they didnt score it’s still pretty sketch..”………let’s go 1s show the aunts what’s up
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:18 pm
I played LB in HS and College. LB is not about the fastest its about the quickest. How fast can you process and read the play. Thats why they call it the QB on defense.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Jackson said it’s possible that the Raiders will take a look at former Raiders middle linebacker Kirk Morrison and maybe even visit with middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu for a second time.
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Yeah !!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Ray Lewis for next years 3rd RD!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:20 pm
RR, when did Jackson say that?
Source…link?
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Ricky Brown was terrible. The Pats can have him.
Until they cut him, of course. Everyone talks about the Pats scooping up our players after we cut them, but nobody seems to mention the fact that they almost never stick with the team.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Did you just ask why didnt we bring back Ricky Brown??
Tahahahha thats how you know our Lb core is thin
Goethel our best Lb you are on one my man
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
103.edward teach Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Ricky Brown was terrible. The Pats can have him.
Until they cut him, of course. Everyone talks about the Pats scooping up our players after we cut them, but nobody seems to mention the fact that they almost never stick with the team.
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Solid point…with all the so called talent at NE you would think it would be the other way around…
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
some of u guys are crazy you sayin that our season is over because we lost a 2 year lb easy now i think losing our star cb hurt more
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
edward teach Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Ricky Brown was terrible. The Pats can have him.
Until they cut him, of course. Everyone talks about the Pats scooping up our players after we cut them, but nobody seems to mention the fact that they almost never stick with the team.
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Bill thought he could strike gold, I guess. Curry, Sands, Burgess, more that I can;t recall right now.
Only guy to have success was Randy Moss and that’s only cause he played when he felt like it.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Thomas Howard, Ricky Brown & Travis Goethel are gone from last season and have not been replaced.
sign both Tatupu & Morrison!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 pm
The Raiders have to sign Morrison or Tatupu…or the season is over.
Can’t roll out there with Groves and just expect things to work out with the run defense.
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Uhhhh did you expect things to work out with the run defense and GOETHEL????
smfh
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:24 pm
BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Tricky shut the fk up…..Groves cant play WLB at all! He is a DE who sucks! Sign Lofa or Kirk right now. Hell sign both and cut groves
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Yeah that’s right, sign Lofa to see how dumb you look when a slow MLB trys to play WLB. Guy can’t even start at MLB anymore. Look for Knowshon to break his ankles on Monday Night….that’s right, KNOWSHON.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Groves is one of the infamous six who really shouldnt be starting
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:25 pm
when did Jackson say that?
Source…link?
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ray – that was from the article above!
link = scroll up
source = steve corkran
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:25 pm
raidertay Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Let’s trade MBush for A. Curry
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wow…..just wow…
yea LET’S DO THAT!!!!
/sarcasm
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Tjbwall Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:08 pm
We dont get comp picks till March
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Uh that’s why I said a pick to be named later, meaning not defined now, or not known until Later.
Just thought bout it, u can’t trade compensatory picks my bad.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
You dumbass….Lofa understands how to play LB and is a natural playmaker……Groves does NOTHING….you see NOTHING you dumb son of a btch?
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Goethel is the defenses version of Chaz Schilens!
At least the Raiders should be forced to sign LOFA or Captain Kirk now!
They should have did it anyway!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Groves is slow his damn self and cant shed blockers or take proper angles…..and his tackling is the worse!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
You dumbass….Lofa understands how to play LB and is a natural playmaker……Groves does NOTHING….you see NOTHING you dumb son of a btch?
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Lofa is DONE as a playmaker. That train has left, why can’t you understand that?
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
the Raiders SHOULD sign Morrison or Tatupu … but in all likelihood they’ll sign somebody like Rod Wilson (4th year out of South Carolina) or Anthony Waters (3rd year out of Clemson)
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Whatever speed Lofa may lack, he makes up for in EXPERIENCE!
Kirk can also play the WLB with ease IMO.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:30 pm
At least the Raiders should be forced to sign LOFA or Captain Kirk now!
They should have did it anyway!!
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my thoughts exactly
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:32 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:25 pm
when did Jackson say that?
Source…link?
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ray – that was from the article above!
link = scroll up
source = steve corkran
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LOL….my bad!
I read the effin article too…..my mind is somewhere else! SMH!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Ther gonna bank on groves he started last year and nobody is here to take his spot raiders won’t get anyone to bump groves out they will either sign a no name or stick with what we’ve got unfortunately
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
DKnight,
Took the words out of my mouth. Glass Goethel is making Glass Schilens stock rise.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
DKnight007 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Goethel is the defenses version of Chaz Schilens!
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Damn! I kept telling our boy #50 not to hang around Chaz too much — all that bad injury karma would wear off … well now, it has!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm
the Raiders might go CHEAP and sign Tully Banta-Cain or Kawika Mitchell
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:35 pm
I’d rather have Lofa on the roster right now than either Boyd, Cumbie, or W. McFadden!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Raidertbone- foshow totally agree
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Experience, awareness and the quick ability to diagnose will give an average speed guy an extra step or two….which is the difference.
Morrison and Tatupu have experience and will be at a minimum competent in the position.
The run defense is looking shaky right now…granted only two preseason games.
The Raiders need to make sure they don’t leave gaping holes in the front 7……quite frankly, the Nnamdi money should have been spent on this position.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:38 pm
39.JB Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:25 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
@CorkOnTheNFL They should trade 4 A. Curry in Seattle. He’s on the outs up here. They renegotiated to make him FA at years end.
Thats an interesting idea.
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Wonder if the SeaChickens would cut a deal. Give them NMiller, WMcFadden & Boyd for rights to Curry.
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That might have worked if it weren’t for Cable being up there. He knows that’s some serious trash right there.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Come on now Al has big wood for T Scott. He may insist that Hue move him to WLB. Tough break for TG but he was not showing that much promise.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Experience, awareness and the quick ability to diagnose will give an average speed guy an extra step or two….which is the difference.
Morrison and Tatupu have experience and will be at a minimum competent in the position.
The run defense is looking shaky right now…granted only two preseason games.
The Raiders need to make sure they don’t leave gaping holes in the front 7……quite frankly, the Nnamdi money should have been spent on this position.
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We will find out Sunday against a DAMN GOOD OFFENSE!!
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a score of 38-3 with Raiders being 3!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
ricky brown was better than groves and wimbley at lb. he played like a real lb. not bad at all. a lot like goethel.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
i’d like to see what moss would look like at lb
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
i’d like to see what moss would look like at lb
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Denver saw that first hand… and cut him.
4-3 DE is where Moss belongs, if anywhere.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Jason Campbell basically stated after the game that he saw Boss wide open in the endzone and yet made the concious decision to run for a TD instead.
This is what scares me about this guy; his decision making ability. I thought at first he just didn’t see Boss, which bothers on it’s own merit, but to comeout and say “yeah i saw him wide open in the end zone, but i decided not to throw it to him”. THAT scares me more.
Yes, it’s just one play i am citing, but to me it speaks to much more.
I want the Raiders to win. I don’t want to worry about our QB, i really don’t. I want JC to be the MVP of the league. I don’t dislike him as a person, but “the slide” in Tenn. last year, the shakiness we see at times against some very average defenses and the fact that he would even think twice about throwing a sure TD pass, concern me. Boss could not have been more wide open. How does anybody not decide to throw that pass.
If he’s tentative about throwing wide open TD passes what can we expect when we need him to thread the needle on a key third down?
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Let’s just hope the Raiders are true to the facts as they see them. Let’s not paper over issues and put the team together with a game plan that takes advantages of obvious strengths….but doesn’t willfully ignore weaknesses.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:46 pm
I would like for the Raiders to put linebackers at linebacking positions….converting this and converting that….man
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Rob_raider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
i’d like to see what moss would look like at lb
Really? remember Brayton and Irons in the 3-4….Garbage. 4-3 WLB needs pass coverage range and ball skills.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Banta Cain would be interesting. As a backum up.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Lofa is a warrior but he is not a 4-3 WLB.. His body will not allow him to ball out at WLB.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Groves needs to shed blocks or we are effed.. Teams will bang his side all day long.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:51 pm
SnB……WOW that sounded like a speech from Dr. King!!
Very impressive…couldn’t have said it better myself!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 pm
JB Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Telephone attendant: Mr. Davis, there someone named Morison on the phone. Do you want the call?
AD: Yeah, put it through. Hello, who’s this?
KM: It’s me coach, Captain Kirk. I wanna come home coach. Can I, can I, can I?
AD: Who’s this again? Did you say Tatupo? No? Who?
KM: Coach, It’s me. The leading tackler for the S&B for a number of years.
AD: Oh, it’s you Mort. How you doing? What’s up? How they hanging?
KM: I heard the news & thought you’d want to talk.
AD: What news? You know something I don’t?
KM: Yeah coach, Goethel is out for the season, tore his ACL.
AD: Schit! I didn’t know that. You better come in and tell Herrera to get you a tryout. Maybe we can work something out. You are still unemployed, right?
KM: Uh yeah, I’m still surprisingly available. I’ll get there right away.
AD: You seen that Tatupo guy around?
KM: I’ve talked to him.
AD: Grab him and both of you come by. I still got a little cap space left but you’ll have to work with me on the bucks. there’s not a lot left. See you tomorrow.
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Too funny!
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
If I was Hue, I would not even play DMac this weekend. He’s too valuable to risk injury. Let Jones and Bennett and Rock run the ball.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Davis has got to do something about the LB situation.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
136: I think JC said he saw Boss but the play was designed to be a run first option and he was playing the vanilla offense typical for the preseason. I think if anything you have taken JC out of context. From the articles I’ve read touching on this conversation with Campbell, he has seemed like if there was one play he could change it would be this one…not that he saw Boss in enough time to hit him, then decided not to. The play was a run first play designed for a QB run into the endzone, Campbell was pushing to follow the play call from the huddle and saw too late that Boss was wide open. It seemed like it is now something that JC will be looking for in the future which are the growing pains associated with two players who have barely played together creating chemistry. Plus it’s preseason for God sake, give these guys what the preseason is intended for, making decisions, analyzing outcomes, and putting it all in the memory bank for the season. Sometimes obsessing about a missed play is better long-term than making that same play and not recognizing the decision you made for it to be successful. I know that I remember all the hot chicks I didn’t bang and what I should have done to sleep with them better than I can remember the chicks I’ve easily taken to bed. There could be a million reasons why I got laid by the girls I have, unknown to myself what that exact reason might have been…..but I typically know where I went wrong on 100 % of the girls I didn’t. The success of the preseason is based on your improvement, not by how many times you scored. Quit overanalyzing the preseason and take it for what it’s worth, and that’s not the score at the end of the game or how your starters performed, but on the development made by the team and it’s players….and I have a hard time given the JC dialect I’ve heard in regard to the play in question, thinking that JC didn’t learn and develop from that play.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
re: moss @ lb. first of all, denver cut him but who cares? he has looked good at times here. secondly brayton moving to lb was ridiculous. he was a dt/de. not remotely fast enuff. irons was a marginal player, a good workout guy but was never even that good at notre dame. believe me, i’m an nd fan and watched every game he played there. moss is fast and quick off the ball. could be a ted hendricks type. look, it probably wouldn’t work and moss probably will never be any good. but it could. bottom line, we need good lb’s desperately. the trio we have suck. groves is a backup at best. mcclain only plays mean when the rb he’s tackling is 5′9″ 185. and wimbley is a passrushing tweener. too stiff to play the position.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
146.ohioraider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Davis has got to do something about the LB situation.
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I got the feeling as Davis gets older he has hererra try and do some of the GM duties normally done by Al or a GM if he had one. herrera the GM is not a good thing. But who knows I could be wrong. When was the last time Al wasn’t a player in the FA market? He has always been big on that. But now he seems to draft better to some degree (jaruss exception) and seems to want to build from with in. Is hererra behind that? go figure. We’ll see what the davis/hererra connection can conjure up at the LB position.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm
136: you are cool man, I just think you got caught in the spin of the report you read. JC said he didn’t see him until it was too late, not that he neglected to throw the pass…plus he said the play design was to run first. I’m glad JC seemed opened enough to what he should have done rather than making excuses, which he could have done considering the play called in the huddle was designed for him to read a certain defensive player then react run, instead of checking his receivers to see who is open. Progressions are part of the game and while common logic would tell you the quickest way from point A to point C is going to include B….it doesn’t always work that way. Often times a decision is made at the line of scrimmage based on where a defensive player is standing, not on who’s going to be open 5 seconds later. I guess this explains what they mean when they refer to the speed of the NFL game…not how fast the players in the league can physically run.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Edward Teach Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Ricky Brown was terrible. The Pats can have him.
Until they cut him, of course. Everyone talks about the Pats scooping up our players after we cut them, but nobody seems to mention the fact that they almost never stick with the team.
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totally agree.
Brown started a couple of games last year and had 1.5tackles in one game! He’s 3rd teamer at best. We haven’t had one decent LB since steroid king.
As for Groves lovers you gotta be kidding me. He’s awful. Always a day late and a dollar short in making plays. He rarely makes a play. AD paid a firth rounder to Jacksonville just because he was a former first rounder.
I think Tatupu is injured that’s why they passed on him. The ONLY credible staff members of Raiders is DR. King their Orthopedic surgeon. He stopped AD in making another huge mistake signing an injured Gaither this year.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Any Al sitings at camp? Doesn’t it end on Thursday? Guess he ain’t coming.
Wonder what the record is for hurting players in training camp? Laughed at Cable’s walk through camp last year, but it doesn’t seem so funny now. Course, Chaz still got hurt. Maybe Chaz’s real job is to oversee the injured lists.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:21 am
[...] Corkran of InsideBayArea.com reports that Goethel suffered a torn knee ligament in practice on Monday, and that he’s expected to miss the entire [...]
August 24th, 2011 at 7:45 am
Obviously.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:52 am
We fd up we should of never let thomas howard walk, he is one of the fastest lb’s in the league I wonder why al let him go? He sure is way better than glassel, groves, sam will., blackstock. Does anybody know how much cincinnati paid him?
August 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Tricky70390 seems to be the only one that makes sense.
SlowFa Tatupu
K. Slowass Morrison will not help this team
I feel bad for Goethel but remember he started last year on PUP because he had back surgery. He has not been a picture of health in his young career, or has he proved that he can be a serviceable LB in the NFL
I wish him well
August 24th, 2011 at 9:13 am
we should definately let our udfa chris francis play in these last 2 pre season games. He tears it up on college film and plays aggressive like mm34, he is short but so what lets exhaust all our options before we pick up left over old washed up lb”s.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:08 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Gotta feel sorry for the kid. Second season in a row coaches want him to start and an injury gets in the way. He’s gotta be frustrated.
***********8 Greg Oden!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
# raidertay Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Next BABY Up!!
August 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
# Kirk Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
If I was Hue, I would not even play DMac this weekend. He’s too valuable to risk injury. Let Jones and Bennett and Rock run the ball.
——– HUE’S NOT THE COACH,HE HAS NO SAY!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 10:14 am
# BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
You dumbass….Lofa understands how to play LB and is a natural playmaker……Groves does NOTHING….you see NOTHING you dumb son of a btch?
—- Who’s the dumb ass,Lofa’s been injured 2 years in a row won’t make it 2 games!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Bring Kirk back. He brings leadership and knows the defense and organization – he can compete with Groves to start at WLB and can be a good backup at all LB spots esp MLB. As for a better WLB, We might need to wait for the cuts to grab a younger, faster WLB cuz there’s nothing but FA crap out there now so stay with what you know – Kirk. Offer him vet min or close to it.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Bad break for Travis. He’s young enough to bounce back in due time.
Chris Francis has a good opportunity to get into the rotation. He’s a bawl hawk. I’d like to see him do what he did at Baylor for the Raiders
August 24th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
# Raider J Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Bad break for Travis. He’s young enough to bounce back in due time.
Francis the talking mule has a good opportunity to get into the rotation. He’s a bawl hawk. I’d like to see him do what he did at Baylor for the Raiders
August 24th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
# DEATHROW 55 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 7:52 am
We fd up we should of never let CABLE and thomas howard walk, he is one of the fastest lb’s in the league I wonder why al let him go? He sure is way better than glassel, groves, sam will., blackstock. Does anybody know is up with wierd AL?
August 24th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
@CorkOnTheNFL They should trade 4 A. Curry in Seattle. He’s on the outs up here. They renegotiated to make him FA at years end.
Thats an interesting idea.
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Wonder if the Next SUPERBOWL CHAMPION SEAHAWKS would cut a deal. Give them NMiller, WMcFadden & Boyd for rights to Curry.
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That might have worked if it weren’t for Cable being up there. He knows that’s some serious trash right there.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
# Heart of Gold Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
146.ohioraider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Davis has got to do something about the coaching situation.
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I got the feeling as Davis gets older he has hererra try and do some of the GM duties normally done by Al or a GM if he had one. herrera the GM is not a good thing. But who knows I could be wrong. When was the last time Al wasn’t a player in the FA market? He has always been big on that. But now he seems to draft better to some degree (jaruss exception) and seems to want to build from with in. Is hererra behind that? go figure. We’ll see what the davis/hererra connection can conjure up at the LB position.
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