Training camp practice highlights, notes and quotes (8-23-11)
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quarterback Terrelle Pryor says he’s eager to get on a plane to Oakland so that he can begin his Raiders career. He wouldn’t have wanted any part of practice Tuesday, unless he enjoys stifling heat and bodies banging against each other.
On the flipside, Raiders coach Hue Jackson can’t get enough of the heat. He welcomed the 100-degrees or so weather and the added pressure it placed upon his players as they steam toward an exhibition game against the New Orleans Saints and inch closer to the regular-season opener.
“I’m not,” Jackson said. “It was very good. Can we get it like this every day? I like it when it’s hot and tough because that’s when you have to grind the most. And that’s what this league is all about.”
Running back Darren McFadden laughed about teammates complaining about the heat.
“Yeah, a lot of guys were saying it was hot today,” McFadden said, ”but it’s one of those things, I’m telling them this is not anything at all. There’s nothing compared to Arkansas heat.”
*Linebacker Travis Goethel appeared on the practice field afterward, with his left leg wrapped from toe to thigh and walking with the aid of crutches.
He learned Tuesday that the left knee he injured is going to require surgery and likely force him to miss the entire season.
When asked about the prospect of signing former Raiders middle linebacker Kirk Morrison or former Seattle Seahawks middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu, Jackson said:
“Every name that’s out there is” a possibility,” Jackson. “At this particular point in time if a guy can help the Raiders win, win the AFC West and continue toward our goals then we’re going to look at him. I don’t think we’ll shy away from anybody if they can help us.”
*Second-year guard Bruce Campbell had a mighty impressive showing at practice, working mostly with the second team at right guard.
On several occasions, Campbell manhandled a defender and cleared a huge hole for the running back. It was enough to warrant another mention from Jackson afterward about the progress he is making.
Jackson said he is getting closer to settling upon the starting five for the offenive line. It’s apparent that Campbell is in the mix, despite missing the first two weeks or so of camp with a sore right knee.
*”You lost a step, baby?” That’s what free safety Michael Huff asked running back Darren McFadden as a long pass sailed over McFadden’s head, with Huff running stride for stride. The two laughed it off and jogged back to the huddle. Just Huff being Huff.
*Touching moment midway through practice, when a lady watching practice collapsed, presumably from heat exhaustion.
Jackson broke away from overseeing practice, jogged over to the lady and checked on her condidtion. Can’t imagine Bill Parcells doing that.
A Raiders trainer tended to the lady and made sure she was all right. Jackson posed for pictures with the lady and her group and signed autographs afterward.
*Punters and kickers have it easy during trainin camp. Oftentimes, they find creative ways to amuse themselves while their teammates are pounding against each other.
That doesn’t mean they aren’t prepared for the regular-season and don’t make the most of their limited opportunities.
Punter Shane Lechler boomed punt after punt during one drill. One of his punts traveled 80 yards or so in the air before returner Nick Miller reached it in a dead sprint toward his own goal line.
*Miller and Denarius Moore split the reps on punt return once again. As usual, Moore found a way to impress fans, coaches and teammates with his grace and athleticism.
Moore fielded a punt, took one step, stopped and switched directions as Chimdi Chekwa swiped at air and fell on his backside.
Moore also made a couple of impressive catches on balls that weren’t on the mark. His impressive showing was marred by a rare drop, even though the pass was high and he had to reach for it well above his head.
That’s a sign of how good he has been in camp, when he is expected to catch balls that are difficult plays for most other receivers.
*Jason Campbell learned under the guidance of veterans Mark Brunell and Todd Collins when he was a young quarterback with the Washington Redskins. He said he intends to extend the same courtesy to Pryor upon his arrival.
“You always support a guy because he’s a teammate,” Campbell said. We’re all in this thing for one common goal, and that’s to win. You don’t know what we’re going to do with him. We may use wildcat, we may use him to do different things. Your imagination as an offense only goes as far as you think.”
The fact Pryor has missed almost four weeks of training camp and two exhibition games is going to make it that much more difficult for Pryor to get up to speed. Pryor also is facing a five-game suspension at the start of the season.
“He’s already got, what, a suspension he has to go through,” Campbell said. “And he’s already missed pretty much all of training camp, we end camp this week. So there’s a lot of important information he’s missed out on. I think he can really learn a lot in his time and go from there.”
Jackson said he expects Pryor under contract and in uniform by the end of the week.
*Won’t steal too much of colleague Jerry McDonald’s thunder, given he is writing a feature on McFadden for tomorrow’s paper. However, it’s worth pointing out an anecdote from one of the first times Jackson met McFadden during the 2010 offseason.
Jackson crossed paths with McFadden in the weight room in Alameda and asked him about why he struggled his first two seasons with the Raiders.
We’ll let Jackson take it from here.
“I asked Darren, I said, ‘What is it that you like to run? You were a Heisman Trophy finalist. What was it that put you in that group of people?’ ” Jackson said. “And he said, ‘Coach, I’m used to running a certain type of run.’ And I go, ‘Well, why don’t we run them here?’ He said, ‘It’s not our style.’ And I go, ‘Well, what do you like to run?’
“And he rattled off about three or four runs that he really enjoys, and I said, ‘OK, they’re in.’ And he looked at me and said, ‘No way.’ He said, ‘Oh, no, they’re not.’ I go, ‘Yes, they are.’ And that’s what we did. And 1,157 yards later, that’s who Darren McFadden is.”
McFadden recalled the exchange and said he is grateful.
“I feel like every running back has certain plays and things they feel more comfortable running,” McFadden said. “It was one of those deals, he asked me what runs do I prefer and we talked about it and I let him know, and a lot of the runs he tried to put in for me.”
That’s the exact approach Jackson and offensive coordinator Al Saunders are taking with all their players, especially third-year receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.
They want to identify the things players do well, highlight them and turn them loose that way.
“I don’t try to ask a player to something that he can’t do because, what good does that do as a coach?” Jackson said. “What good does that do for the player? It’s truly about the player. Find out what they can do and let them do that.”
*Sixteen players missed practice, including middle linebacker Rolando McClain, safety Mike Mitchell, tight ends Kevin Boss and David Ausberry, defensive tackle John Henderson, receivers Chaz Schilens and Louis Murphy and guard Daniel Loper.
Jackson said he gave McClain the day off and that he is fine.
*Jason Campbell’s fiancee lives on the East Coast. He said she experienced the 5.9 earthquake that rattled the region Tuesday.
“I haven’t had a chance to talk to them,” Campbell said. “I talked to her sparingly today. She was like, ‘Everybody was caught off guard.’ In D.C,, you hear something like that, you probably think, ‘OK, terrorist attack or something.’ “
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August 23rd, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Banyan Cain
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Oops, bring in Banta Cain as a back up.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Sign Quinten Barns!
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:53 pm
WHY CAN’T WEAK ASS CONDO PLAY WLB?!?!?!?!
Oh, I forgot he only does ONE THING!!!! for his $2mil per…
20K per snap for this Menace to Victory. Must be sooooo hard.
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:59 pm
*Second-year guard Bruce Campbell had a mighty impressive showing at practice, working mostly with the second team at right guard.
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Again…rollin 2nd team and practice squad players are a mirage until it is done with the 1st team.
And we are doing the kid no favors if his 1st time against the 1s is in the regular season!
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Pelc, Parsons, Eliades, Scheuning, and Heyer – learn the simple fkin job! Condo must go! 53 players = no room to allow a one trick fraud to waste a spot. Period!
You people…
Don’t bother responding.
Just win baby.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
I hope the defense has the same latitude as Hue Jax had with DMAC and the offensive plays/scheme.
Play to players strength!
Hmmmmm
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Perhaps we should sign a linebacker who can play linebacker. Let Sprintin’ Sammy hike the fkin ball to our allworld punter.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
SNB, they do, they all like to rush the QB, and make tackles behind the LOS.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Just read on Yahoo that Pat Summitt has early-onset dementia.
Best wishes to her and her family. Great lady, great coach.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Who was HOFer* Ray Guy’s longsnapper?
I’ll wait.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:07 pm
A Raiders trainer tended to the lady and made sure she was all right.
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It was reported the lady was done for the season with a hamstring pull.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 pm
“I haven’t had a chance to talk to them,” Campbell said. “I talked to her sparingly today. She was like, ‘Everybody was caught off guard.’ In D.C,, you hear something like that, you probably think, ‘OK, terrorist attack or something.’ “
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Um, talk to your family, homie.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 pm
LMAO at whoever says Travis Goethel is a good OLB. Losing that bum is nothing. There is a reason Groves has been starting over Goethel. The way many of you rattle off about how bad Groves is and losing Goethel will doom us, it must mean only one thing. That we must have the dumbest coaches in America.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 pm
“I don’t try to ask a player to something that he can’t do because, what good does that do as a coach?” Jackson said. “What good does that do…..
I guess that this doesnt apply to the Raiders defense formations.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Kirk Morrison! Dammit!
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
“A lady watching practice collapsed…”
Steve, the lady has a name, okay? What really matters is that Chaz is okay.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Veldheer-Heyer-Wiz-Campbell-Barksdale
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:07 pm
A Raiders trainer tended to the lady and made sure she was all right.
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It was reported the lady was done for the season with a hamstring pull.
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Post of the Day!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Cooper Carlisle and a conditional late rd pick for Aaron Curry.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Kirk???
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
146.ohioraider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Davis has got to do something about the LB situation.
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I got the feeling as Davis gets older he has hererra try and do some of the GM duties normally done by Al or a GM if he had one. herrera the GM is not a good thing. But who knows I could be wrong. When was the last time Al wasn’t a player in the FA market? He has always been big on that. But now he seems to draft better to some degree (jaruss exception) and seems to want to build from with in. Is hererra behind that? go figure. We’ll see what the davis/hererra connection can conjure up at the LB position.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
I thought Barksdale and Campbell did pretty well in the 9ball game. Barksdale was pretty strong in particular
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
From ESPN:
New Orleans’ weakside linebacker. Veteran Scott Shanle is trying to hold off Jonathan Casillas. The Saints know they can always turn back to Shanle and get steady play. But they’re giving Casillas every shot to win the job because he’s younger, faster and that means he has the potential to bring big plays.
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Offer either Boller or Edwards for Shanle and we will have the WLB that many of yall dream Goethel would be.
The Saints backup QB is 5′9” Chase Daniel.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Banta Coke Cain!
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Jackson’s practices are so tough even the spectators are getting hurt.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Good read:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hank-koebler/pryor-oakland-raiders_b_934828.html
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:35 pm
That is a nice lil piece on Hue by Steve. This man is a good coach. From everything I read his players in Cincy were very fond of him. Dealing with players and different personalities is a big part of being a HC.
Hue did wonders for DMac. Now they apparently are trying to do the same with DHB. He did a damn good job transforming that offense into a top 10 unit. They went from scoring 17 TD’s the year before to something like 40+. That’s impressive.
It’s unbelievable to me that some people are writng him off as a fraud, a con man and BS artist after two meaningless pre-season games. Sad.
I’d like to see an impressive showing on nat’l TV this weekend vs the saints, just like everybody else. I think the first team offense has moved the ball fairly well in their brief appearances. Settling for FGF’s vs AZ and turning it over on downs last week. That’ll get worked out. Getting a healthy DMac and Jacoby Ford back sure should help. Can’t wait to get a look at Taiwan Jones also.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Anybody seen that slut of an ol man of mine? If he aint back here at this piece of schit trailer soon I’m gonna lay a big fat terd on his side of the bed so when he goes to bed he’ll have somethin soft he can hold, that useless piece of trash.
come on home baby, your big momma want some greasy lovin too. you know I can shake it for ya baby.
You better get your fat ass here ‘fo to long or I’m gonna come down to that sleazy resturaunt and embarass you. You know i will b1thch.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:41 pm
for both games, the starting line has been veldheer-loper-satele-carlisle-barnes. seeing a trend?
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Pryor is like a breath of clean air compared the last qb we drafted.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:49 pm
This 3rd preseason game is the most important traditionally. The starters play the most snaps, into the second half. Like i said, I’d like to see them look impressive in front of a national audience this sunday night.
It sounds like the Raiders have been very physical in practice…beating the hell out of each other. I want to see them take it out on the Saints!
I’d like to see a nice crowd also. That 1st game was embarrassing. Looked like their might’ve been about 10,000 people in the Coliseum.
That might be sort of a league wide phenomenon, though from what I’ve seen watching games on NFLN. Crowds were sparce in Cleveland vs Green Bay. Hell even last saturday night at the stick….with the two Bay area rivals playing each other, the stadium looked half empty.
I don’t know if it’s residue from the lockout, the economy, both or just preseason. Lot’s of empty seats league wide, with a few exceptions.
Saints are gonna be a tough test and they’ve humbled Oakland the last couple of times they’ve played. Time for some payback. I hope to see a much improved Raider team this weekend, on both sides of the ball.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Taylor Mays traded to the Bengals for an undisclosed draft pick. If MM34 is out for any extended amount of time, and if the price was right I would’ve liked to seen Oakland have made that deal.
He can lay the lumber. play some special teams. You know Mr. Davis had to be tempted with his 4.2 speed. lol.
Hell, maybe Mays could’ve put on a lil bulk and moved to OLB, like Thomas Davis did for Carolina a couple of years ago.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Mays played a lot of single deep free saftey for USC and looked kinda stiff to me. His own head coach didn’t draft him. For depth purposes and a late round draft pick, I guess, but I wouldn’t put too much stock in Mays. I thought after his junior season he was a for sure Davis 1st or 2nd rounder, but he was a bit exposed his senior year.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:57 pm
I’m telling you guys, if Boller or Edwards plays 3 quarters that person will be shopped to the Saints after this game for Shanle. Pay close attention to how Scott Shanle performs in this game this week. I feel like Al has a trick up his sleeve.
The Saints also have a need at guard because Carl Nicks went down with a knee injury yesterday. He should be OK in a week or two but the Saints will look for depth. Loper might be in the mix for them as well.
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Would anyone be upset over another Seymour-like Mortgage-the-future-for-a-proven-vet-in-exchange-for-a-1st rounder kind of deal at LB or is that just too much?
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Taylor Mays is garbage. Which reminds me. It is Tuesday night. Back in 5 min.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 pm
LB is a problem area. Everywhere else I think we have good depth.
LB we don’t even have 3 solid starters (or 3 real LBs for that matter). A deal will be done. No question.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 pm
“And he rattled off about three or four runs that he really enjoys, and I said, ‘OK, they’re in.’ And he looked at me and said, ‘No way.’ He said, ‘Oh, no, they’re not.’ I go, ‘Yes, they are.’ And that’s what we did. And 1,157 yards later, that’s who Darren McFadden is.”
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This is the biggest reason Bill Walsh was such a special coach is because of this approach. He first made sure the player was talented emough to be on his team and then he never asked the player to do things he couldn’t do extremely well. That way you get everything out of that player he can give. Tom Cable had no idea what to do with DMC except run his ZBS because that’s the system he came up in. He had no idea how to make a specific player perform at peek proficiency. Now DMC is probably one of the top 5 backs in teh league instead of a probable Bust.
That’s why players can go from one place where they cannot fit the system and go to another team where they do and go to the probowl. Coaches are extremely rigid and system oriented.
Hue jackson and Al Saunders will biuld an offense around TPryor that will acentuate his strength and minimize his weaknesses and that kid will terrorize this league. Give him 2 years and they’ll have to outlaw Newton and Pryor. And maybe even Kappy.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:06 pm
TJ, are you in traction from doing your James Brown impression in celebration of the Pryor signing?
Man, you old wack jobs really worry me when you get excited. Your cousin Krappy once popped his hip out doing the Charleston in the mosh pit at a rap concert.
Poor old goat. But hey, it’s great entertainment for us!
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Hue jackson and Al Saunders will biuld an offense around TPryor that will acentuate his strength and minimize his weaknesses
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I’ve asked for this for years. A coach that understands what a player
s strenghts are, takes advantage of them and tries to avoid exposing their weaknesses (and work on them between games).
Hue has said all the right things. His track record speaks fpr itself. 2 sub par preseason games later, he seems like a bit of a goat but I think we’ll only be better thab last year. We have that much more experience and I think better coaching.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
I think it’s time to bring back Cap’n Kirk. Even when the Run D was struggling most of us had the feeling that Kirk at OLB would be OK. That’s where he played in college. I believe he could be a good player on the outside again.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
What up Chris? Long time, no talk — where you been (or have I just been out of it)?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
So Branch played some Corner today, and Chekwa was at S?
Interesting.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 pm
You know I am happy for Mr Davis he just got himself a legit future star. Mr Pryor seems like the type of young man who just may very well take his job and his profession quite seriously. Unlike some of the other slugs we have had at QB in the past, this young man seems quite energetic and wants to learn. The last time we had a bona fide QB was Jim Plunkett, and to a minor degree Rich Gannon. And before that was the Stable/Blanda/Lamonica years. So bona fide and legit QBs’ have been very hard and very difficult for Davis to come by. What I would like to see is Jason get this team on track. Get all the components working on offense. Now I just am not sole yet on Jason Campbell taking us deep into the playoffs. Now I hoipe he can, but, if this team can be up and running in one to two years, it will be Pryors for the taking. Maybe sooner. But, it is extremely important that when Pryor does step in to take full control that each and every component is working. That means that the O-line has to be without question a very good O-line. We have the long term wide recievers now, and we are deep at that position. We have a very good backfield in MacFadden, Bush and Reese. If wis can develope at center or Val, either one I don’t mind, we will have a very smart line to protect Pryor and give him time. He seems like the type of QB that if you give him some time, he will eat the skin right off you. There is no question he will destroy any opponent give the time he needs if he can get it. I hope the Raiders can become a mean and nasty team this year and build a tremendous amount of confidence this year and go deep into the playoffs. I’m not betting the farm on it, but, more importantly is to get this team in gear so when Pryor does take it over and has complete control of the offense, there are no question marks. When JaMarcuss Russell was given the wheel to the offense, he could not have inherited a worse type of situation at the coaching level, the line level, and the amount of money he recieved had to have messed his hunger a bit. Now, that is not saying if Jamarcuss went to a say New England or Pittsburgh he would have had success. I don’t think he would have had any success because he took to long in the huddle and he was barely audible, probably from all that cough syrup. So again, it is paramount that Pryor inherits a team that is ready to go, a coaching staff that is set in its place, and a team that is just ready and waiting for him to take the wheel. If Davis can get all that in order, he not only will have an annual playoff team, but he will fill the stadium game after game. The return on him is worth everything Davis and Hue Jackson need to do to make damn sure they are primed and oiled and ready so that when Pryor steps in, he is off to the races. It is really that simple to draw the blueprint for the success of this Oakland Raider franchise if Davis will just be patient and methodical like he has been of late and go about making this again, and all world club.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Kirk, Lofa, whoever. I can;t see any decent free agent option as being worse than what we have.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Was the lady collasping a ding or nick?
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Tyvon Branch was statistically the worst SS in the league last year.
He looked a lot like that same guy this past weekend.
He is pretty fast, and was a CB coming out of college. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Buck some people just don’t understand the fact taht we had zero offseason with Hue jackson our players are learning literally on the fly. The same is not true for teams like NO, NYG, NYJ. Indy, SD and many others. It takes time expecially with so many key players sitting out. This team will take until mid season to really hit stride unfortunately because of the injuries and no offseason with all these young players.
Chaz has missed most of training DHB missed a lot Ford the entire camp Murphy entire camp that’s 4/5 of you 5-7 best players it’s going to affect the production of the offense. No matter how much people want to say we look bad we don’t kn ow what we look like until we get everyone on the field.
People were saying a few days ago it looks like Bruce Campbell will get cut now we read he’s dominating practice and barksdale looks like a real talent even more tha Wiz. This team has not been put together yet hopefull it will be before it’s too late. I hate to see us sitting at 2-3 before we hit stride but it may well be the case. Then we could win 5 straigth but this offseason is having a definite affect on things that much is clear.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
29.Misses Beeecham Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Anybody seen that slut of an ol man of mine? If he aint back here at this piece of schit trailer soon I’m gonna lay a big fat terd on his side of the bed so when he goes to bed he’ll have somethin soft he can hold, that useless piece of trash.
come on home baby, your big momma want some greasy lovin too. you know I can shake it for ya baby.
You better get your fat ass here ‘fo to long or I’m gonna come down to that sleazy resturaunt and embarass you. You know i will b1thch.
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40.Master Beeecham Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:06 pm
TJ, are you in traction from doing your James Brown impression in celebration of the Pryor signing?
Man, you old wack jobs really worry me when you get excited. Your cousin Krappy once popped his hip out doing the Charleston in the mosh pit at a rap concert.
Poor old goat. But hey, it’s great entertainment for us! Well, just me really cause I’m pretty direct about what I like for my entertainment.
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There’s the old dirt bag for ya Misses B. You two just need to hug, do a reach around, no forget that, just a hug and make up. Master is such an ornary old coot. He needs that bbw lovin you got. Now you two hug and make up. And leave the rest of us alone.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 pm
People were saying a few days ago it looks like Bruce Campbell will get cut
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JFB,
Thoughts????
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:19 pm
45, good post. I see more patience out of ol Al lately. I guess you could make an argument against with Cable, but Tim was never really a Davis guy. Hue was from the beginning and he produced.
I do have to disagree about Gannon amd elevate him amongst the great 3 or 4 Raider QBs. Rich was the man. Shows what the right player/coordinator-coach combo can do when they’re really tuned in.
I’ll talk up Gannon all day in here. Haters can hate, his record, stats, and leadership ability speaks fpr itself. One bad game and at the most unfortunate, regrettable, awful time against the most perfect of perfect storms.
Gannon = Raider. Shame on Al for turning his back on Gannon and the contribution to the Raider Legacy. All because he was Gruden’s guy and not his own.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:23 pm
J Hill, I’m interested to see what measurements they use to determine that about SSs.
Gotta figure raiders saftey numbers are skewed because the FS plays so much CF and the SS plays so much in the box, staying home or shadowing the TE.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:25 pm
We’ve had a good mix of freaks and football players here lately. Several of these freaks have turned out to be football -players (Ford, DHB) and a couple of football players have turned out to be freaks (ShoNasty),
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Keith Bullock is a FA OLB
Tully Banta-Cain
Kawaika Mitchell
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
We need to make a trade for a WLB.
Shore up the position.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Pryor: “Black and Silver” and “Raider Family.”
I like Pryor, but he’s full of sh;t if he says the Raiders were one of his favorite teams.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Our injuries are adding up but I think we’ll be ok. The O line, LBs Safeties and CBs are a big question mark
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2011_pre_season
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:41 pm
A wildcard possibility at WLB is the kid from Penn St aboyuba or whatever his name is.
obviously the Raiders picking him took him by surprise, you could see it and many East Coast guys are redescent to come out west but once he’s here and sees what’s here he’ll love it. The speed we have and the talent will overwhelm this kid. He’s coming here at the bets time in teh last 10 years and he’ll be able to bide his time and learn that is the key here.
That’s why wI wnate dthis kid sooo very badly is because I see his potential here and now. It’s a very advantagious grooming situation with very little pressure he’s NOT a high pick and he’s not rich he’s HUNGRY to prove himself. He will be the most loved player on this team in no time at all because of the position he plays and his NAME. The media will be instantly attracted to him because of his name he’ll get more attention the productive players in anticipation of what he can do. It was the right pick for the right time. I can’t believe we got it done……..
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Sorry his name is Bani Abadyu 6′1″ 240 probably not ready but I like this kid when I was watching T Pryor play Penn St.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Morrison will be a better option than groves, he can cover better and that’s what we need.
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Another expert prediction by TJ the Whiff Master.
Old kook, a bro could make a fortune betting against your senile old speculations.
But keep up the hilarious strikes! Makes for great comedy!
SOUL BRATHA MACK A DOODLE
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
J Hill Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Tyvon Branch was statistically the worst SS in the league last year.
He looked a lot like that same guy this past weekend.
He is pretty fast, and was a CB coming out of college. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
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what a moronic thing to say. this is probably that dumbazz dvrick. what stats idiot?
tyvon branch is one of the best safeties in the league. he’ll be probowler soon.
what a jackazz
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Give it up for Lechler’s leg.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
LOL!
So in other words, you disagree and are a huge Tyvon Branch fan.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:06 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
7 on 7: DHB nice sideline catch on Routt, two feet in … Interesting: Branch lines up at corner and Chekwa at safety
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Veldheer, Heyer, Satele/Wiz, BCampbell, Barksdale.
This should be the starting O-line. Get them together now so they can start working as a single unit. The sooner the better.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Jhill that kid Chekwa is a real player most fans haven’t seen this kid play but I’m tellin’ ya I love this kid. He was actually rated higher than DVD in the draft. I’m not sure where he will lineup but he can play.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Just Posted on ESPN
Agent: Terrelle Pryor won’t appeal ban
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp11/story/_/id/6889661/drew-rosenhaus-says-terrelle-pryor-appeal-5-game-ban
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Pryor to Ford/Moore is gonna be FRESH!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:15 pm
The “regulars” have seen and discussed the report hat had Branch ranked the lowest of all the guys.
I’m sure one of the guys can repost it for you.
You’re probably not interested though, since you’re so offended at the thought of the COACHES replacing him.
LMFAO!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Did Chris Johnson miss practice to get his oil changed. If so he should be cut.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
LT – Veldheer
LG – Wiz II
C – Satele
RG – B. Campbell
RT – Barksdale
by week 4
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
tyvon replaced? ur high! he’s a very good safety. not surprised they’re looking at him at cb. he’s very fast, great closer. tuff too. at least they’re seeing they need to address cb.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
i’m new to the board but i know football as well as anyone. played it. coach it.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:21 pm
u guys are crazy for wanting veldheer/wiz/bruce/barks all on the starting line. 2 rookies, 2 2nd year players, one of which is really a rookie. use ur heads guys.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
veldheer/loper/wiz/carlisle/heyer
that i could handle
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Bruce Campbell should be starting. Watched him closely the other night. The one issue is that he gets too high and doesn’t really drive his man because of it yet. But he’s still so dam big and strong and with that reach that even when he doesn’t have leverage he still controls his man and keeps him out of the play. He’s still doing it with raw ability. If he ever corrects his technique he’ll be an elite NFL offensive lineman. I tend to think he’s best suited to play tackle. But, regardless, it’s time to get him on the field.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Priest,
When we picked up all these DBs, I thought one of them would be moved to FS.
I thought it would be Ware or Chekwa.
Now with Moore coming on strong at CB, and the Eugene injury, I can see why they would take a look at it.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Veldheer-Wiz-Satele-Campbell-Barksdale
or
Veldheer-Wiz-Satele-Carlisle-Campbell
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
I said after Chekwa was drafted that it wouldn’t take the Raiders long to look at him at safety. Glad they’re doing it. Branch has struggled in coverage at SS again and has missed some tackles this preseason.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
not surprised they’re looking at him at cb. he’s very fast
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After all that hub bub, you drop this on us?
Well that was basically all I said. So are you the same high, moronic, jackass?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Rob-raider
Disagree: Veldheer, Heyer, Satele, BCampbell, Barksdale. Loper, Satele & Carlisle are a very weak middle. Soup is jeopardized on bull rush. Heyer, Satele/Wiz (when ready), Bcampbell are a much stronger middle of line. Also provide far superior blocking group for the run.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Does Pryor think his accuracy and ability to read a defense is going to improve in the NFL?
Has that ever happened?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 pm
75.rob_raider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
i’m new to the board but i know football as well as anyone. played it. coach it.
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I’ve read some of your posts, and I wouldn’t disagree with that.
If this is truly the case, you should be able to make a solid football argument without having to resort to all the name calling.
You’re not the only one in here who know football and has an opinion.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
YA,
Was it you or BCZ that had that report on Branch and how he ranked amongst other SSs?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:33 pm
75.rob_raider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
i’m new to the board but i know football as well as anyone. played it. coach it.
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Thats cool man and welcome aboard. But one ritual we have for the newcomers is you must prove you are not MR, aka Sullavan44, Master Beeecham, Dvrick and many many others. So it would be to your advantage to prove you are not him. Thank You in advance.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:33 pm
I see BCampbell ’s role at guard. He can be the enforcer in the middle and with his speed will become a Gene Upshaw type pulling guard which is not a bad thing.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
84.alex7 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Does Pryor think his accuracy and ability to read a defense is going to improve in the NFL?
Has that ever happened?
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Be positive for once and maybe it will.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
You have to take the Oline battle individually.
Bruce Campbell vs Carlisle
Heyer vs Loper
Campbell is literally moving people around according to reports coming outta camp. Physically imposing they say. That’s a characteristic our Oline is looking for. What bullying is all about. Has to be a candidate to start.
Heyer was dominant at LG in our first game. Coaches raved about him after that game, and you could see it if you had the game on DVR and focused on him
If those 2 win spots, are you really telling me that you give the C and RT job to Satele and Barnes simply because they are not rookies? Even if the rookies are showing to be better bullies than those 2?
May the best man win, regardless of how many years they’ve been in the league.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
I do think that DHB looks much improved from his first two seasons thus far. I think a healthy Murphy opposite Moore with Ford thrown in would be our best WR options. But I don’t think it’s outrageous for DHB to be given another shot in the starting lineup.
Also, while I like Nick Miller, I think he’s going to have a tough time making the cut, but may latch on elsewhere. The problem for him is that he’d be our No. 6 WR. In that role you’ve gotta be a major contributor on special teams. Don’t see him doing much on kick/punt coverage units. And we’ve got Moore, Ford and Taiwan Jones as more intriguing options in the return game. I think Hagan makes the cut instead, behind DHB, Murphy, Schilens, Ford and Murphy.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Branch at CB. A bit worrying. He might be good eventually, but it seems the weak part of his game is the pass coverage. Huff seemed better naturally at it (at least on TE’s/RB’s).
I don’t know enough about Chewy to know him to Safety, but we seem really really thin at CB also now. The only CBs I trust now are CJ and Routt. Maybe DVD eventually, but now I’d hate him to be starting. I thought Chewy looked better than DVD (further along at this point). Maybe not in the future, but now I’d rather him in probably. The only other CB who looked relatively solid was Moore (he looked better than DVD in the games – granted it was against 2nd or 3rd team players). But he deserves a look.
On DHB, he is getting more solid, but still seems to not be naturally on the deep ball. He doesn’t adjust well and thus puts himself our of position, jumps when he doesn’t need to and drops way too many.
Where he looks much better is the shorter routes. So I think we should take advantage of that.
Moore and Ford are both burners who are more natural and make catches/fight for the ball. Send them deep. Let DHB catch short routes and try to make yards after catch. At least that’s what I think.
On LB, I think we should sign Morrison. He could play OLB/WLB and knows our basic scheme already. He’d be the quickest to indoctrinate at least so would be most comfortable.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:41 pm
I also think Edwards is the backup and Boller the 3rd stringer until Pryor’s suspension is up. And I don’t think it’s even close.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:41 pm
80.Chris in NY Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Veldheer-Wiz-Satele-Campbell-Barksdale
or
Veldheer-Wiz-Satele-Carlisle-Campbell
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Heyer is starting somewhere, Chris.
Replace Loper after one series at LG in our first game and was a BEAST at that spot. If he’s healthy, I see him starting there.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Chris in NY Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Bruce Campbell should be starting.
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I’ve seen him and I think he looks like sh** out there. Cable was right. Dude IS getting ready for prime time tho. I liked the way he was mixing it up with the whiner 2nd’s. That was a good sign.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
JHill
Right on. Good presentation. You don’t play a vet just because they are a vet. If a second year man is outplaying them, the best player starts. That’s also most likely the player with the most upside.
Heyer @ LG, BCampbell @ RG, Barksdale @ RT, Veldheer @ LT and Satele @ center until Wiz can outplay him. By my account, that’s 1 rookie, 2 second year men and 2 vets.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Those veteran linemen were overmatched vs the Colts, 49ers, Titans, Dolphins, and Steelers last year.
This year we play the Jets, Vikings, Patriots, Packers, Bears, and Dolphins again.
If the veterans aren’t talented enough and it’s going to get ugly, might as well let it be the young guys who at least are young enough to improve from it.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:44 pm
It’d be nice to get Trevor Scott back and in form by the start of the season. I think we need more speed off the edge in obvious passing downs and Scott could bring that.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
well, i’ not dvrick or any of those other idiots b/c i love the raiders.
the reason i jumped on u jhill is b/c for some reason i thought u were one of those trolls. so sorry for the name calling.
when i’ve watched branch, i see an aggressive, fast, player who plays to the whistle. i have seen him give everything he has to chase down guys who beat other db’s. i have seen him make nice tackles coming forward. sometimes, guys are in the area of a completion, and even an announcer will say they were the one who was beat. but sometimes, it’s not true, just like w/ boyd and the te last game. he made the big stick, after groves never picked him up. greg papa says he beat boyd’s coverage, which was just an announcer not seeing anything until the end.
i would be happy to see tyvon play cb. and huff. someone, anyone, other than a raw rookie. brown can play safety. giordano or bullocks can play it.
as for the o-line. there is a reason why bruce has not played much. he is raw and his technique needs work. carlisle and loper are solid. watch the plays. re-watch them. if a play goes wrong, actually see whose man it was. loper and carlisle rarely get beaten. satele gets worked. veldheer is usually solid. i had supported barnes b/c of his experience but he has not looked good. heyer has starting experience. barks has looked pretty good for the most part but rookies scare me. maybe by mid-season.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
JB,
I agree.
If Wiz can’t beat out Satele for the starting job, he should be the backup C, not starting LG.
If Wiz is going to start at LG, he needs to do so this weekend, and let’s get on with this. Opening night against the Donkey’s shouldn’t be his first time there.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
katoopa,
I don’t think my positive or negative tone will change Pryor’s accuracy problems.
Just wonder if anyone really believes it’ll improve, or if Oakland is assuming they’ll force him to switch spots.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
92,some good points,keep them comin along! RAIDERS!!
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
What 90% of you do not realize is to actually PLAY in the NFL, believe it or not, you have to be GOOD.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Does Pryor think his accuracy and ability to read a defense is going to improve in the NFL?
Has that ever happened?
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Yeah, it’s called coaching. Not sure dude is smart enough to make it work, but he has the Tool Box to do awesome things.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
The Saints are going to throw every blitz in the book at the Raiders.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 pm
We’ll see how the young O-lineman pick that up.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
What 90% of you do not realize is to actually PLAY in the NFL, believe it or not, you have to be GOOD.
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Not in all casses. See DHB 2009-2010
JLH???
Robert Gallery @ left tackle
JaMarcus Pig
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
The Saints are going to throw every blitz in the book at the Raiders.
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There’s an expression for that. It’s called: Preseason
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
98.Chris in NY Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:44 pm
It’d be nice to get Trevor Scott back and in form by the start of the season. I think we need more speed off the edge in obvious passing downs and Scott could bring that.
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Scott and Wimbley were on the field together a lot last year before Scott got hurt. They lined up next to each other, sometimes both standing up. I thought that set brought a lot of pressure on the QB.
I hope we go back to that and scrap the so called big nickle. If MM34 can’t beat out Branch for the SS spot, then there is no need to try and create a package to get him on the field. He is NOT a LB and we essentially end up in a dime package with McClain as the only LB on the field.
Teams routinely run on us when we are in that formation with Wimbley at DE and Mitchell at LB. Very easy unit to run on. See the Indy game for reference.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
i’m all for bruce/wiz/barks getting in if they’re the best. but this basic unit led the rushing game to #2 last year. they are pretty good. satele and barnes could stand to be replaced. i hope like crazy one or two of those youngsters beats them out. but i’m not going to agree that they should already be in there from what i’ve seen. maybe by game 1.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
The Saints are going to throw every blitz in the book at the Raiders.
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There’s an expression for that. It’s called: Preseason
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Your point?
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
loper at this point is undervalued by everyone here it seems. they have no reason to force him into the lineup. he’s not a hi pick. he doesn’t make big money. the truth is that right now he is the best LG on the roster until further notice.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Friend’s friend is an NFL scout.
Said Raiders were waiting for cuts to sign a few LBs. Flood of cut LBs would also bring down price of Morrison and Tatupu. Said Raiders not impressed with Tatupu’s lack of speed. Raiders like Blackstock on their roster right now due to his speed at LB.
Scout wasn’t impressed with McClain’s instincts or inability to shed blocks.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
watch the plays. re-watch them. if a play goes wrong, actually see whose man it was.
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That’s what I do.
Known for it in here.
Loper had one series in the first game and was solid. Next series, Heyer came in and was head and shoulders better than he was. No knock on Loper, Heyer was just more of a bully.
Last game, Loper got more snaps since Heyer was hurt. I thought he looked like a backup. Off the top of my head, the screen play to Bush where he couldn’t even get in front of the DT was just sad. Several plays where he was bullrushed back into the pocket. Didn’t give up the sack per se, but definitely was on skates.
That’s the think with Carlisle and Loper that you just don’t see with Heyer and Campbell. Campbell and Heyer are NOT getting bullrushed back into the pocket. Integrity of the pocket stays in tact.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
The Saints torched the Raiders in preseason two years ago, hopefully the Raiders will step up.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Mum-O,
can you tell me one QB who came into the league with big accuracy issues and succeeded here?
Honestly can’t think of any.
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
The Saints are going to throw every blitz in the book at the Raiders.
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There’s an expression for that. It’s called: Preseason
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Your point?
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Sorry. Here let me see if I can break it down better. There is a practice game schedule. It’s called the Preseason.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
past my bedtime …
Hollar at you folks in the AM.
You should stop by the blog in the AM Rob Raider.
Whole different crowd.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Sorry. Here let me see if I can break it down better. There is a practice game schedule. It’s called the Preseason.
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So the Raiders, having the O-line blown up in a pre-season game is unimportant?
You’re an idiot.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:03 pm
rob_raider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
i’m all for bruce/wiz/barks getting in if they’re the best.
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One thing about that Ain’t D line: they ain’t kidding.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Alex, if you complete 65% of your passes against major college competition, how is there an accuracy isssue?
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Raidertay…post #69:
Just hear that moran Todd McShay, ESPN Draft Insider, running his negative comments on Pryor. What an idiot. When Pryor turns out to be everything “opposite” what this jerk claims, he won’t be accountable, he won’t say he was wrong, he’ll just continue with his negative garbage, usually against the Raiders. He questioned everything about Pryor, even his mental ability. If’s you’ve seen the video of Pryor and John Gruden discussing the bubble screen and other aspects of football, you see Pryor standing up to Gruden and showing him on the blackboard, on the spot, how to handle a blitz coming from the right side. Instantly, you see an intelligent young man with great football knowledge and leadership. Where is this jerk Todd McShay coming from…beats the hell out of me?????
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
So the Raiders, having the O-line blown up in a pre-season game is unimportant?
You’re an idiot.
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Who said anything about the Oline getting blown up? And you’re calling ME an idiot? Hey Old stupid guy, you need to check yourself.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Kirk…121: There is no argument there. 65% completion is excellent and 90% better than most QB’s…PERIOD.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Sorry Hagar, I’ll take McShay’s word over yours.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Kirk and Hagar, do the research boys.
Pryor last year played against Marshall, Ohio, Eastern Michigan, Indiana, and Purdue.
Nothing “major” about those teams.
Pryor had bad accuracy against Miami, Wisconsin, and Iowa…you know, “major” colleges.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Gotta go with Alex on this one. Pryor could tear a new one into mediocre opponents. Against solid competition, not so good. Of course, dude was MVP of a couple of BCS Bowls tho.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
RR…two years ago we were under the direction of Tom Cable, who is not a head coach. At best, he’s a line coach…nothing more.
Exampe, just came out today. Cable just used his zone blocking and never focused on McFaddens skills…result…horrible two years ago, even with some health issues.
Hue, last year, talks to McFadden and inquires about the things that allowed McFadden to be successful in college…what kind of running schemes. McFadden told him. Hue said great we’ll incorporate them…McFadden couldn’t believe it. End result, almost 1200 yards rushing.
Against the Saints, they’ll be facing Hue and the Silver and Black. Two years ago, they faced butthead Tom Cable…big difference. Raiders 27, Saints 24.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
He ran for +100 in the Sugar Bowl, that helped.
Honestly, you guys make fun of Tim Tebow, and then we draft Tim Tebow Jr., and you love him.
Weird.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Against the Saints, they’ll be facing Hue and the Silver and Black. Two years ago, they faced butthead Tom Cable…big difference. Raiders 27, Saints 24.
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They’ll be facing Chuck Bresnehan, and throwing a lot of schit at the young O-line, in the 3rd pre-season game.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Alex & Seymour: If you’ve seen any of the tapes on Pryor and you still think he’s not going to be great, then I surely differ with your opinions. We’ll see as time goes on…say two-years from now. Hope I’m right and you’re wrong…for the Raiders sake, obviously.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Terrelle Pryor = Tim Tebow.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:25 pm
KoolKell…so what. Everyone throws their shzt at each other during pre-season. I just feel that we’re going to finally jell. We’ll see, either way, it’s no big deal…just preseason.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Hagar,
31 teams also feel Pryor will not be great.
Twice they felt that. Accuracy/mental issues = no NFL success almost every time. Tom Brady he’s not.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
The 49ers with all their college coaches weren’t exactly scared of Hue.
I doubt Sean Payton and Gregg Williams will be.
You guys are funny
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Alex: You’re funny…you should be writing one liners for Jay Leno. (Pryor = Tebow) based on what? The dude (Pryor) hasn’t even signed his contract, let along play in the NFL. That comparison can come in two years, then we’ll see.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Hagar The Horrible Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:25 pm
KoolKell…so what. Everyone throws their shzt at each other during pre-season.
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Not true. The Raiders are very conservative in the pre-season. What happened to the knowledgeable fans who used to be here?
gnite Gents.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Tebow = the highest priced Chaplin in the NFL
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Hagar, what would you say are Pryor’s strengths as an NFL-caliber QB?
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
NFL Scout’s take, before the supplemental draft:
“He [Pryor] is a nice college player playing in a system that caters to his strengths. He’s a basketball player playing football, though, when it comes to the NFL, he’s not a quarterback. He doesn’t have the makeup, the release or the accuracy for it.”
Hmmm, no mental make-up, release, or accuracy.
Sounds like ALL THREE of our current QBs.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
How’s this for a different look. Huff and Branch at cb’s.
Routt in the slot. Mitchell and brown at safety spots.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Alex: I didn’t know that we did things by “committee,”
thanks for the insight…much appreciated.
NO, what do we care what the other 31 teams think. We choose him based on our evaluation, we had the balls to invest our 3rd round pick. NO ONE, can say one way or the other how a drafted player will preform. We’ll make that judgement next year and for sure by year two.
Oh, by the way, two of those 31 teams are the dischargers and “get’s worst every year Norv Turner,” and Shan-a-rat with Washington. Their opinions don’t count.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Alex7 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Friend’s friend is an NFL scout.
Said Raiders were waiting for cuts to sign a few LBs. Flood of cut LBs would also bring down price of Morrison and Tatupu. Said Raiders not impressed with Tatupu’s lack of speed. Raiders like Blackstock on their roster right now due to his speed at LB.
Scout wasn’t impressed with McClain’s instincts or inability to shed blocks.
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this sounds accurate. both parts. mcclain doesn’t really even give that much effort to get thru blocks. if u read a post i made a few days ago, i have questions about him. he only likes to pick on little guys. backs down to guys who are anywhere close to his size.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
not sold on McLain yet either.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
I want to see Mitchell at wlb when he heals. He is not going to supplant Branch at ss.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Tim Tebow vs Terrelle Pryor
Both are highly-decorated college players whose teams played to their strengths.
Both players look better when a play breaks down and they get to use their superb athleticism outside the pocket.
Both players struggle dropping back, reading the D, and getting the ball out accurately to the correct receiver.
Both players struggled with accuracy against the better teams on their schedule.
Neither player was a better prospect than Kyle Boller or Trent Edwards, two guys who also had accuracy questions but strong arms in college.
Both are known for having a high work ethic.
One made a lot of bad decisions while in college.
Neither of them will be top-15 NFL QBs.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Pryor’s pluses:
• 6′6″ 240# – physical size
• 4.4 40 yd – mobility
• HS & College exper. @ QB
• Athletic ability
• Good overall athlete
• Can throw the ball @ college level
• Smart enough to learn an offense
• Coachable
• Apparent good work ethic
• Came from a winning environment
• Only cost us a 3rd round pick
• Only costing us minimal $’s
What wrong with this pick? If he doesn’t cut it at QB he’ll probably be gold at another position. I don’t understand why some of you are upset with the pick. We’ve certainly pissed away more 3rd round picks on a lot less talent in the past.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Alex…NFL Scout’s take. Wow, since when have these armchair quarterbacks, called scouts, know consistency.
Their wrong more times than they’re right. Like I said, no one know “diddly-squat” and we’ll have to wait and see.
Anyway…have a good nite guys and a better tomorrow.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
J Hill Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
watch the plays. re-watch them. if a play goes wrong, actually see whose man it was.
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That’s what I do.
Known for it in here.
Loper had one series in the first game and was solid. Next series, Heyer came in and was head and shoulders better than he was. No knock on Loper, Heyer was just more of a bully.
Last game, Loper got more snaps since Heyer was hurt. I thought he looked like a backup. Off the top of my head, the screen play to Bush where he couldn’t even get in front of the DT was just sad. Several plays where he was bullrushed back into the pocket. Didn’t give up the sack per se, but definitely was on skates.
That’s the think with Carlisle and Loper that you just don’t see with Heyer and Campbell. Campbell and Heyer are NOT getting bullrushed back into the pocket. Integrity of the pocket stays in tact.
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well, i will say loper has been a backup his entire career. carlisle isn’t huge. i would like to see heyer start but i’m more concerned w/ RT and C, than at G. but actually, the line was productive last year and likely will be again this year. and i do like the potential of barksdale and bruce. however, i’m skeptical about whether bruce will ever have the technique. and barks is a rookie, and he wasn’t really a bigtime prospect to anyone other than the raiders. but of course, other guys have fit the same profile, like shaugnessy, and veldheer, and houston. people thought the raiders reached for them too but obviously not.
my bet is that the game 1 o-line will be veldheer-loper-satele-carlisle-heyer. i think wiz will eventually unseat satele. campbell could displace loper sometime in-season. and barks could work his way past heyer at some point w/ heyer potentially moving in for carlisle. it would be nice if it happens, b/c it will mean the guys are panning out. but i’m not sure they’re quite ready.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Hagar? Shanahan’s track record with QBs – from Elway, Steve Beuerlein, Steve Young, Brian Griese, Cutler – is kinda outstanding.
It says something that Shanahan gladly traded Campbell for a future 4th rounder, during JC’s prime years.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:49 pm
We’ve got bigger things to be concerned about other than Pryor.
• Our O-line
• Our LB situation
• Our DB depth
• Our inability to stop the run
• Our growing list of injured players
• Our DC – is he going to be better this time around to mention a few.
Pryor has no involvement on any of these real issues. Let’s keep our eye on the ball guys.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 pm
JB, here’s what’s wrong with the pick.
In a 2012 draft with legit Franchise QBs Andrew Luck, and Matt Barkley, and the Raiders expected to win about 6-8 games and have a top 12 pick…
the Raiders have NO 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick to bundle and move up for Luck.
That’s terrible planning.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
One thingI learned about Pryor that I wasn’t aware of is that he is only in his 6th year as a QB. he started playing QB in his soph year in highschool. That just blows me away that he could get that good that fast. He was the most soght after player not just QB in his class it begs the question how adaptable this kid is. As a freshman he was very hard to watch but he got much better every year and my opinion in watching him against Ark was if this kids stays in school he could be phenomena.
Well amazingly he’s a Raider and I can’t believe we did it. Pryor is raw I said that months ago but that is no problem when you have a player of his calibre IF he wants to work hard and get better. The kid is very talented as a passer and a runner. His issues are not his passing ability it’s technigue. I watched him against Iowa, Penn St, Ark, Wisconsin, Idiana, Illinois and Mich. I DVR’d most of them and continue to watch them. He can play at this level and play very well. If they give him the time to learn and grow. The same way DHB has grown. The difference is he is much closer to greatness than DHB because he has all the entangibles. And the tangibles he is not inaccurate he’s just not tecnically sound which takes an offseason with the right coach and he’ll get better throughout his career.
The key with Pryor is he is a natural competitor a great leader and most imprtantly he wins games. He makes his team compete at a high level very similar to Newton. I compare him very favorably to Cam Newton they are virtually the same player. The key with Hue for TP is learn the player as he did DMC and biuld him from there put a system around him conducive to his talents and this kid will get you to the dance every year it’s a matter of time when he will win it all for you.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
They will have no shot at Luck under almost any scenario. Unless AD wants to bundle up all his winning players and trade them, Luck is not in our future. Given that, why waste time being concerned about it. We don’t need to have he best QB to win the big one. The Ravens proved that. Let’s focus on what we can accomplish:
• Top 5 D
• Top 5 O
• Great ST
• Win conference
• Go deep in playoffs
• Who knows after that?
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Pryor vs real D’s in 2009:
vs USC 11 for 25, 0 TDs, 1 INT
vs Wisconsin 5 for 13, 87 yards.
vs Iowa 14 completions for 93 yards. Yikes.
vs Michigan 9 for 17, 67 yards
Just warning you. He’s not an NFL QB. Not now, not magically in 3 years.
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
JB, with a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round pick, and a top-12 pick coming up this year…
The Raiders WOULD have a shot at Luck and Barkley.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:00 am
Alex7
I respect your views but I see us winning many more games than you do. Given that, Luck was never a consideration in my mind. I think this team is going to surprise you. Maybe that’s the Koolaid talking but I believed it enough to purchase 2 CLUB Season tickets for this year. I don’t want to miss seeing this team getting it done. I come from the old school (1965) Raiders where we expected to win every game and actually won most. I can only hope we are getting back to that level of performance.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:01 am
also JB,
why do people keep pointing at the Ravens as a “if they can do it, we can” with their QB, instead of the other 40 times that the Super Bowl team won with an awesome QB?
We will NEVER have the Ravens 2000 D. Come on. That was one of the best ever. You know that.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:02 am
The chance of the Raiders getting Andrew Luck are remote at best and almost nill. You have to be brain dead to pass up on a franchise QB like Luck if you have the 1st pick. Even the second pick, now you could get the kid from Oklahoma but every other QB I would take Pryor over Barkley in a heartbeat.
Barkley is a fine QB but he’s nothing special the only two QB’s I would trade Pryor for in a hurry are Luck and the kid from Oklahoma. I have to see Lindley before i pass judgement on him. The differnce is those players will go in the top 3 players picked. We got Pryor for a 3rd rndr. Anyone who says we shouldn’t have done it is sick…………..period. There is virtually no chance we get eother Luck or the other guy and if we waited until April to get Pryor we would have to have a top 15 pick to do it. We saved a ton of money we still have a 1st rndr and we have him a year ahead of time. Win Win WIn……………..period
August 24th, 2011 at 12:02 am
We should be getting 2-3 3rd round compensatory picks for Nnamdi, Gallery & ZMiller loss.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:02 am
No prob JB, I just like to hear people’s reasons.
Raiders 29th-ranked run D did not improve this off-season, and lost their best tackler in the secondary.
Raiders pass-D took a major blow.
Raiders QB is still a 15th-20th ranked QB year in and year out in his career.
Raiders schedule is much much tougher this year.
Why do you think we’ll win more games?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:02 am
this pryor inaccuracy thing is funny. he completed 65% of his passes last year. and yes, ohio state is an elite program. anyone who tries to say it isn’t is just dumb. his workout vid w/ ochocinco was impressive. he hit guys in stride on some tuff routes, like 15 yard outs, dropping the ball in tight. ochocinco got excited after one, yelly “yeah” and pointing to him. u could see he liked the throw.
will he develop? well guys, he’s 22. of course he can develop. maybe quickly. he has the physical tools and the work ethic. he may truly blossom.
comparisons to tebow are sketchy. tebow did put up great #’s at florida. his completion % was excellent. arm strength? i dunno about that.
qb’s in the nfl are a crapshoot. u just don’t know. there have been countless can’t miss prospects who faded away. and there have been guys like brady, and brees, and many others who have outplayed their draft position.
mcshay needs to be careful. he actually said the two things that pryor doesn’t have are accuracy and “mental capacity”. what? did i hear that correctly? he used the same words as al campanis. uh, really? i can see him saying he might need work on developing his knowledge of the position or something like that, but how the heck would he know what his “mental capacity” is? i’m white so for me to notice this isn’t overreacting.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:03 am
alex… i will remember your prediction… i happen to think he will do ok in the nfl.. but nothing great…. kind of like the qb we have now in j campbell… just good but the answer… hope im wrong
August 24th, 2011 at 12:04 am
Teams aren’t allowed to trade compensation picks
Just seems guys like Luck and Barkley are true team-changers that you plan ahead for by not trading your ammunition (draft picks) for fringe players.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:05 am
If AD can trade away our 2012 1st rounder for another Seymour type, I’d take that in a heartbeat. IMO, that will prove to be one of the best trades he ever made.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:07 am
too bad i dont agree with most guys here calling pryor a future phenom…i just dont see it…. great athlete.. no question about that.. i think in 2 years i would pick him hands down over campbell.. but thats not saying much
August 24th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Rob,
no one said Ohio State isn’t elite.
Playing the Ohio Bobcats, Eastern Michigan, New Mexico State, Illinois, Purdue, Marshall…and looking good vs them…
not elite.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Rob_ Raider like I told you the other day that kid is ignorant man. You caan’t listen to him there’s something wrong with him upstairs.
To get Pryor before the April draft and before he lit it up his senior year was a coup he is easily in the top 5 QB’s in that draft if he stays he may be as high as 3rd best.
I told everyone in here that Cam Newton would have to come out because they would trhow so mucch money at him he couldn’t stay. 80% of the people in here said he couldn’t play QB in the NFL because he can’t read defenses and their saying the same thing about Pryor.
I gauarntee you if Pryor stays in school and stays healthy he is a top 10-15 pick hands down.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:09 am
luck is head n shoulders above barkley… and im a big usc fan… luck will be another elway.. hes that special… stupid decision to stay at stanford though
August 24th, 2011 at 12:10 am
Struggling mightily vs USC, Iowa, Wisconsin, Miami…
not elite.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:10 am
TP beat everyone they put in front of him no matter how elite or non elite they were he beat the crap out of all of them the name of the game is win…period
August 24th, 2011 at 12:11 am
forget this nonsense about not having picks next year.
just look at it his way: for our 3rd round pick in 2012, we got a 6′6″ 240 4.3 40, bog-armed qb who won a ton of games for a bigtime program. and by the way, he got to work w/ the raiders for a year ahead of his draft position. it’s a no-brainer.
and we will pick up a 3rd rounder or two by next year. he may not work out but he certsinly merits the pick, talent-wise.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:13 am
Alex7
Accuracy is a twofold number. It takes both a QB & a receiver. Our receivers last year stunk. This year, we will have a serious passing game. We have receivers who can catch, we have offensive speed second to none, we will have an improved O-line, Our QB has another year experience with the offense and receivers and I think the quality of coaching has been improved significantly. Additionally, our running game should be gold. We have, on paper at least, a very scary offensive machine.
I believe our D will be better than expected and if our offense can put the points on the board, the opponents will have to throw & not run in order to just keep pace.
Speed kills in the right hands.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Priestt, maybe you’re not aware of this…but Newton set passing records vs the SEC.
Pryor struggled vs good teams in his conference. Every year.
Kinda big difference.
The fact you think he’d be a top-15 pick next year after sitting out 5 games says it all.
Hmmm, Luck, Barkley, Lance Jones, Nick Folk >>>> Pryor
August 24th, 2011 at 12:14 am
jim tressel’s playcaling limited Pryor to do the things that allowed him to put on film what coaches wnat to see. But when they went to his proday he blew them all away. Because they didn’t see what he could do on film so they asked for certain routes and he nailed them.
the same was true with Cam Newton the offense he was in limited what he did but it didn’t mean he couldn’t do it it just wasn’t on film to the degree scouts wanted to see it.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:14 am
i remember everyone her drooling over jablubber… when we first picked him.. ill admit.. i wanted either him or calvin johnson… this might be the reason i dont trust this pick.. i prefer to take the wait n see attitude… i really hope your right priest…
August 24th, 2011 at 12:15 am
ok, ohio state plays some cupcakes here and there. but any big ten school is competitive. i went to Indiana, i’m from there, i grew up watching the conference. it’s loaded w/ good players. the sec has more but still. and he was the mvp twice in bcs bolws.
and gruden told him he could’ve won the heisman if he went back. the kid is good. major talent. will need to work. but it’s a good pick for the draft slot.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:15 am
So guys,
how has drafting for speed worked out for the Oakland Raiders the last 10 years?
Oh, that’s right.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:17 am
Gotta run guys. Good discussions.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:19 am
this pryor inaccuracy thing is funny. he completed 65% of his passes last year. and yes, ohio state is an elite program. anyone who tries to say it isn’t is just dumb. his workout vid w/ ochocinco was impressive. he hit guys in stride on some tuff routes, like 15 yard outs, dropping the ball in tight. ochocinco got excited after one, yelly “yeah” and pointing to him. u could see he liked the throw.
will he develop? well guys, he’s 22. of course he can develop. maybe quickly. he has the physical tools and the work ethic. he may truly blossom.
comparisons to tebow are sketchy. tebow did put up great #’s at florida. his completion % was excellent. arm strength? i dunno about that.
qb’s in the nfl are a crapshoot. u just don’t know. there have been countless can’t miss prospects who faded away. and there have been guys like brady, and brees, and many others who have outplayed their draft position.
mcshay needs to be careful. he actually said the two things that pryor doesn’t have are accuracy and “mental capacity”. what? did i hear that correctly? he used the same words as al campanis. uh, really? i can see him saying he might need work on developing his knowledge of the position or something like that, but how the heck would he know what his “mental capacity” is? i’m white so for me to notice this isn’t overreacting.
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Good post.
If I were running the show, I wouldn’t have taken Pryor until the 5th round… but the things I hear about Pryor – coming from guys who think Tebow was worth a 1st round pick, who didn’t bat an eye when Newton went #1 overall, who watched all seven of the QBs in the first round get drafted and brushed it off by saying “well, it’s a quarterback league!” – are ridiculous. Pryor is no more or less capable than Tebow, Newton, or any of the other guys that got drafted in the 1st round (or 2nd, for that matter) this year.
Now if Andrew Luck had entered the draft this year, it might be a different story. But all the guys taken this year are “project” guys. Hell, Newton is only starting because the Panthers’ only other option is Clausen.
My only concern with the Pryor thing is that next season the Raiders may be in a position where they can draft a QB that Hue Jackson or Al Saunders might believe in more than Pryor (be it Luck or Landry Jones or Foles or Cousins or Lindley or whomever). If Al wants the coaching staff to make developing Pryor the #1 priority, it’s definitely possible Hue Jackson would miss out on a kid he’s really interested in working with for the sake of a player whose rare physical skills might be best utilized at a completely different position.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:20 am
Top Raider Players during latest glory years:
Rich Gannon, old Tim Brown, old Jerry Rice, C. and R. Woodson, Eric Allen, Romo, Biekert, Garner.
Doesn’t exactly scare you with speed.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:20 am
is oregon good? in pryor’s last game, in the rose bowl, here’s his stat line:
23-37 266 yds, 2 td’s 1 int
20 carries for 72 yards
that’s not struggling.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:22 am
Hmm, no one questioned Brady or Brees’ accuracy or ability to read defenses in college.
Let’s see, they questioned their…athleticism (Brady), and height (Brees). Things that Prior has. Lol.
Backwards world Davis lives in.
All 4 of our QBs will now be described as plus arms, below average accuracy, below average mental acuity.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Listen you little ignorant wretch I have the games on DVR I watch them all he didn’t struggle against elite teams if he did I wouldn’t want him at all. I watch those films and so does everyone else. He was rated out 50 possible Heisman candidates 7th out of the QB going into next season he’s rated in the top 5 fool. You don’t get that high of rating amongsst scouts if you staruggle vs elite teams.
If he didn’t have the difficulty with NCAA he would’ve gone in th 2nd rnd of the Supp draft. You’re listening to the media and haters. if the pat’s had done what we did they would be called geniuses. they’re just hating on the Raiders. This kid is one helluva football player and he’s going to be one helluva QB for us……………period
August 24th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Rob? Did you ever think “Defense” when you thought of Oregon?
Weird he couldn’t do that vs Iowa, Miami, USC, and Wisconsin.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:24 am
if he doesn’t make it as a qb, he can always try wr/te. it’s a nice fallback position. i mean a 6″6″ te running a 4.3/4.4 (w/ a little extra weight). that alone makes him worth taking. i don’t think it’s a reach at all. i mean it’s a 3rd rounder.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:25 am
Poor priestt, I forgot you don’t do well with facts.
Pryor 2009:
vs USC 11 for 25, 0 TDs, 1 INT
vs Wisconsin 5 for 13, 87 yards.
vs Iowa 14 completions for 93 yards. Yikes.
vs Michigan 9 for 17, 67 yards
August 24th, 2011 at 12:26 am
2010
vs Miami 12 for 27.
vs Wisconsin 14 for 28, INT, no TDs
vs Iowa 18 for 33, 2 INTs
do your little DVRs show that?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:27 am
You are one DUMB ignorant kid…….EVERYONE questioned Brady’s ability I was talking with scouts about Brady long before he was drafted and they they literally LAUGHED………LAUGHED!!!
His arm was weak he was slow and they didn’t think he could throw an NFL pass that’s why he wen t in the 6th rnd based on smarts but they didn’t think he could compete at this level………..period
August 24th, 2011 at 12:30 am
Rob,
you think Zach Miller’s blocking was bad, picture Pryor blocking NFL DE’s. Think realistically about the position.
Antonio Gates weighs 260. Prior 230. Big difference.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:31 am
whoa, whoa, priestt, whoa…lol, so arm strength and speed are…
overrated? Is that what you’re saying?
Glad you finally see the light.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:35 am
Remember Aaron Rodgers tearing USC a new one? Going 29 for 34 against them, TD, no INTs with lesser talent?
That’s what a real NFL QB looks like in College.
Pryor looked like…11 for 25, 0 TDs, 1 INT
August 24th, 2011 at 12:36 am
Those are stats you have to watch the film when he missed how he missed and what he did when the game was on the line! Have you seen that system he played in it wasn’t like the one Mallet played in. They did the ame thing with him they did with Cam Newton said make a 1st read and see if he’s open if NOT RUN.
I can gaurantee you Barkley, Luck, and Lindley have QB coaches but I’l bet you dollars to doughnuts Pryo did NOT. That makes a HUGE difference.
Like YA said in post #180 look at the past draft and the QB’s drafted I can only say ONE of them is decidedly better than Pryor and that’s Ryan Mallett.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:41 am
Listen son have you ever read the scouting reports on Brady? Huh? because I have and they question everything about that kid. I thought he was a decent player but when I presented him they laughed and said find someone better. When Brady came into the league he couldn’t play Brady made himself better and stronger. he put in the work which is the same thing pryor must do and if he does his ceiling is off the charts………….period
August 24th, 2011 at 12:43 am
listen daddy,
you’re arguing Pryor is better than Newton. That’s wackier than a wacky wafer.
SEC record breaker vs Big Ten struggles vs good Ds.
Wacky.
You’re arguing that THE Ohio State has no QB coach.
Wacky.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:45 am
his last 4 games against ranked opponents:
9/11/10 win vs. #11 miami (12/27 233 yds 1 td 0 int) (20 carries/113 1 td)
Terrelle Pryor’s talent sparks expectation. His performances ignite arguments. But if his steady progress continues, don’t be surprised if Ohio State is in Glendale, Ariz., on Jan. 10, writes ESPN.com’s Pat Forde.
10/16/10 loss vs. #18 wisconsin (14/28 156 0 td’s 1 int) (18 carries/56 yds)
11/20/10 win vs. #20 iowa (18/33 195 yds 1 td 1 int) (15 carries/78 yds)
Gameball goes to… Terrelle Pryor. The quarterback led the Buckeyes’ rally and had a key 14-yard run on fourth down in the winning drive.
1/4/11 win vs. #8 arkansas (14/25 221 yds 2 td’s 0 int) (15 carries/115 yds)
Terrelle Pryor piles up 336 total yards as Buckeyes hold on
totals: (58/113 805 yds 4td’s 2 int’s) (68 carries/362 yds 1 td)
this is pretty good.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:45 am
Rob_Raider that’s what they do to black QB’s who are greta athletes they say forget QB play WR you can get on the field faster and they change.
What the Raiders will do is give him the same time and coaching a less athletic QB would get. if you keep Alex Smith and Brady Quinn and all the bums they have at QB why can’t you do the same with Pryor. Just coach him up and turn him loose. Look at Trent Edwards why does he saty at QB, only because he cannot do anything else. The Raiders have to take the same approach with this kid they would with anyone else and the payoff will be huge.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:46 am
Nick Siciliano is the name of the Ohio State QB coach. Has worked there a while, and worked at Oklahoma.
You aren’t very good at arguing.
Goodnight.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:47 am
Aye Aye Rob!
That’s 50% accuracy or less in 3 out of 4 games!!!!
You’re impressed by this???
Poor Raider fan has seen too much bad ball to know what good ball is.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:49 am
the guy has work to do but immense talent. a 3rd rounder is fine for upside like that.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:49 am
Never said pryor was betteer than Newton but I don’t see one thing that Newton does taht pryor cannot the same is very true with jake locker no one can tell me Jake Locker is better than T Pryor because he isn’t if you wnat to see a struggling QB look at Lokcers stats they are LAUGHABLE…
August 24th, 2011 at 12:49 am
How much did Pat White’s speed help him at the QB position?
Oh wait, he’s out of the NFL because he can’t pass. Passing is kinda important.
Less than 50% in 3 of your 4 legit-D games is NOT good.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:51 am
Priestt, feeling ok?
You just said Mallet was the only QB in the draft that was better than Pryor.
That means you think Pryor is better than Newton.
So neither statistics or deductive logic are your strong suit?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:52 am
Alright guys, heading to bed.
Just remember, no athletic QB with big accuracy concerns has come to the NFL and actually succeeded.
Vick set accuracy records at Virginia Tech, so don’t think of him.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:53 am
no
12/27 vs. miami 44%
14/28 vs. wisconsin 50%
18/33 vs. iowa 55%
14/25 vs. arkansas 56%
seems like he was getting better. his final game, he had 336 total yards.
he may or may not pan out but he certainly has potential.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:55 am
Top NFL QBs:
Brees, Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Matt Schaub, Philip Rivers.
See any physical freaks there? Or accurate pocket passers?
I rest my case.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:58 am
Pryor stats aren’t nearly as bad as Lockers yet he goes 8th LOL look stats are stats his 65% completion is fine by me I watch the film I see the same things in Pryor that I saw in Kaepernick and Kappy is a player who will take some time to groom. The same is true with Pryor he is far from the finished product but if you coach him up and get him right he’ll be better than most can even imagine. I saw the same thing with Brady he was like 7th on Mich depth chart and when the Pat’s drafted him he was 4th on their depth chart slated for PS he made himself better and better and better that’s how you have a great career HARD WORK and this kid has the work ethic to get that done………….period
August 24th, 2011 at 12:58 am
And I still see little difference between Pryor and Tebow.
Winners, hard workers, athletic, great runners,
bad passers in the pocket.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:00 am
uh michael vick #4 rated qb last year. josh freeman #6 rated qb last year. david garrard #13 rated qb last year. and how about steve young? warren moon? randall cunningham?
August 24th, 2011 at 1:01 am
That’s because you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground…………sorry kid but you’re a stats freak you have to know the game to see what I see.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:01 am
does anyone realize that jason campbell is the #30 rated passer of all time?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders
August 24th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Priestt, don’t quit your day job.
Kaepernick scouting report from NFL draft scout:
“Reads defenses well and has nice touch.”
COMPLETELY OPPOSITE of what they say about Pryor. Keep dreaming though. Your dreams have really proven true the last few years as the Raiders embarrass themselves year after year. Your track record is awesome!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:04 am
8 of the top 11 are currently active
August 24th, 2011 at 1:04 am
Nice find Rob!
He’s a few notches above Troy Aikman. lol, some rating system, huh?
No wonder ESPN came up with a new QB passer rating system.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:06 am
I”ll compare my track record to yours anyday. I can’t thin of a single thing you’ve ever said taht panned out. Don’t hate boy it makes you look jealous.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:07 am
Speed Kills!…your chances at success.
Al drafted Fabian Washington one spot ahead of Aaron Rodgers in the 2005 draft.
Sad that he still hasn’t learned.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:08 am
jason campbell has a better career rating than 19 hall-of-famers including troy aikman, warren moon, dan fouts, and john elway.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:09 am
just barely below roger staubach.
i suddenly feel much better about our qb!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:10 am
Ohio St isn’t even rated in the top 15 they ‘re rated #18 do you know why we have the difference maker they need. if TP were there they would be aseily in the top 5 the kid won games…………period his career is ahead of him.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:10 am
well, let’s compare Priesst
in your own words, you said “I would’ve never thught DMC wuld be quite this good he is much better than I thought he ever would be he is much more physcical”
so you kinda whiffed big on DMAC, kind of a big deal.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:11 am
11 of the top 20 are still active, while only 3 of the top 20 are in the HOF.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:11 am
we are living in the greatest era of qb’s in history.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:12 am
You also rave about our MLBer that can’t get off blocks, takes bad angles, and is nothing special. NFL scouts who have watched him have a much worse opinion of him than you, and the film and statistics prove them right, and you wrong.
All you’ll say is “wait, he’ll improve, blah blah.”
So that’s a big 0 for 2.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:13 am
Didn’t whiff at all son you’re taking things out of context I always said DMC was a tremendous talent and worthy of the #4 pick said it a thousand times. So tell another lie.
I will admit he’s even better than I thought but I always thought very higly of DMC.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:13 am
alex7 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:07 am
Speed Kills!…your chances at success.
Al drafted Fabian Washington one spot ahead of Aaron Rodgers in the 2005 draft.
Sad that he still hasn’t learned.
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Interestingly enough, Andrew Brandt (who worked in the Packers’ front office in ‘05) mentioned over Twitter a month or so ago that had the Raiders not taken Fabian Washington Green Bay would have, and Aaron Rodgers’ free fall would have continued.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:14 am
And you were dead wrong on Jamarcus:
priesttj Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Russell is the future. Russell has real talent to be great.
Taxguy, have you ever seen Russell or been around him? have you talked to the coaches? Have you talke to the players?
I have and I know for a fact he cares and works. He will come around I know he will he wants it bad. Trust me.”
August 24th, 2011 at 1:15 am
So Priestt
how much longer are you waiting for your talented boy Russell to turn it around because he wants it bad, and cares and works hard??
Lol, Trust you? Well, that’s 0 for 3. Goodnight.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:16 am
They all love revisionist history to win an argument YA Fabian was a colid pick as his career has shown.
23 teams passed on Rodgers so whaty was their issue??
August 24th, 2011 at 1:16 am
well, hold on now. most of the raider bashing of the last few years has centered around 3 things:
1) the consecutive picks of russell, dmc, and dhb, which going into last year, seemed to all be busts.
2) ageism–they like to make fun of al davis, which is shameful, since he is one of the great football minds of all-time and they are just making fun of him b/c he’s old now. again, shameful.
3) a traditional hatred of the raiders, since it has always been the raiders vs. the world. people love to take their shots, since the raiders have traditionally been great, did it their way, and flipped the finger at everyone else.
but russell had a drug problem. killed his career. dmc emerged BIGTIME. and dhb? well, we’ll see but he shows some signs of life.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:17 am
YA, the Packers had Brett Favre.
We had…Aaron Brooks?
I would love if Oakland drafted nothing but QBs for like 2 years straight
Nothing else has mattered for us.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:18 am
Yeah you guys always pull Russell out of your ass because there’s nowhere else to go. My Track record is flawless compared to your’s which is basicall nonexistent.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:19 am
Remember guys, Priestt TALKED to Russell, so Russell will be good. Trust him.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:20 am
Ehh,
Priestt was wrong about DMAC, wrong about Russell, wrong about McClain, wrong about how great DHB would be…
I guess that’s flawless if you’re trying to suck
August 24th, 2011 at 1:21 am
I’ve been negative on the Raiders every year on here (4 years now),
and they backed me up with the worst 7 year run in NFL history.
Guess I was kinda right.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:21 am
i haven’t always agreed w/ al davis but i respect him.
i think it was a good pick to take pryor.
i think dhb will be decent. a guy who gets 50/800/6. not great but ok. i hope he does what dmc did last year. in my fantasy draft last year, i took bush. my friends from indiana, asked why i didn’t take dmc. i told them he sucked and after he got hurt, bush prove to be the starter. well, my jaw was on the ground after he did what NOBODY had seen in his time as a raider. i mean, what? wow!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:21 am
Yeah keep lying where’s the link son you’re talking out of your ass…………LOl
August 24th, 2011 at 1:21 am
Pryor or not, I’d like QB to be the 1st round draft pick next season. QB class in 2012 will be top heavy. Luck, Jones, Cousins, Lindley… plenty of options no matter where they are in the draft order.
The Raiders also have needs at CB and OLB, and soon they need to get younger and deeper at DT. But those needs pale in comparison to a guy who can put the team on his shoulders and take over entire games.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:23 am
Nobody believe a word I said about DHB now they do…..LOL
I told every the Raiders needed to draft Pryor in the 3rd and where did they pick him? huh?
I’m telling everyone now that JC will ahve a very good if not great season this year if he’s healthy.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:24 am
Priestt,
take this to the bank:
Raiders will be under .500 this year, with some FUGLY losses similar to Pittsburgh last year.
Campbell will look good vs weak teams, poop himself vs top teams, as he has all his career.
Team will HAVE to extend his contract because they didn’t plan anything better.
“Just wait til his 8th year! Now he’s comfortable!” will be your chant.
Raiders run D will continue to suck as long as they play mostly outdated man-to-man D.
I stand by each of these.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:24 am
i feel we have a great running game, a questionable but potentially pretty good passing game. a worrisome run defense, and a quality pass defense. basically, the same as last year, but w/ a better but not yet great passing game. we swept our division and went 8-8. i think we have a more creative coach and we can reasonably expect to go 9-7 or even 10-6.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:25 am
YA we need depth at DT we have enough QB’s for now we need to sure up the interior of this defense. We cannot continue to struggle vs the run and we’re thin at DT right now.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:25 am
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009/11/26/third-quarter-cowboys-17-raiders-7/
post 22 shows Priestt talking up Jamarcus.
WRONG!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:26 am
For that same 3rd rounder, we could have had Albert Haynesworth or Chad Johnson,
guys that would actually have…helped this year.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:27 am
Rob, you think we’ll sweep a division twice in a row and do better out of our division vs the Patriots, Jets, Dolphins, Texans, Packers, Bears, and VIkings
instead of the weak NFC west last year?
August 24th, 2011 at 1:28 am
we will find out everything we need to know about qb and wr this year. none of the qb’s are under contract after this year. the wr’s will have their chances. it will be clear by midseason. as for defense, the lb’s are a problem. but the cb’s are like the wr’s the last couple years. we don’t know yet. they’re too young.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:28 am
We’ll see who’s right……….as usual you’ll lie about everything……..LOL
You’re the same dude who said Jarvis Moss was a bum and Al Davis didn’t know what he was doing. I told you the kid could play. Who looks rght so far?? Huh??
You made all kinds of claims he was a BUST he can’t play. Well we’ll soon see………..you cannot hang in here with me son. Chill bedtime
Adios!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:30 am
Moss??
He’s a backup pass-rusher. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:30 am
Let’s see how much those two help the Pat’s Chad and Haynesworth are trying to get a ring let’s see if they get one.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:30 am
PLease Al or Hue dont play your best WR on special teams. God I remember my favorite player while i was in high school fielding special teams and his speed was never the same TIM BROWN. just let this guy play WR hell we dont have anyone like him. And please get some linemen on offense. Bruce Campbell when he destroys or opens big holes against number ones in preseason opponents then i ll say hey we got something . I watched that game against san fran and tommy kelly was blowing up the middle and the runner was going by him and all the linebackers were getting held and sucked in . better play is needed from corners and the whole right side of the offensive line and linebackers
August 24th, 2011 at 1:31 am
somehow that pales in comparison to your whiffs on DMac, Russell, DHB, and McClain.
But whatever makes you feel better. Goodnight.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:31 am
But you said he would be cut…….didn’t you?
Now watch him lie….
August 24th, 2011 at 1:32 am
Your brain is a whiff because I always loved McClain an d DMC and I have no issues with DHB other than where he was drafted.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:34 am
i think the chiefs are beatable. the broncos suck. the chargers are good but do flame out. probably 4-2. a split vs. kc and sd. sweep den. as for the rest fo the sked.
den–win
buff–win
jets–loss
pats–loss
hou–loss
cle–win
kc–win
den–win
sd–loss
min–win
chi–win
mia–win
gb–loss
det–win
kc–loss
sd–win
but i do think we could beat the jets and pats at home b/c their running game isn’t that great. it’s the top running teams that will hurt us.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:35 am
Que,
wouldn’t it be nice if our DTs were taught to actually play vs the run instead of just gashing upfield creating lanes for the runners?
Or if we actually had run-stuffing LBs to allow our DTs to just pass rush?
Instead we have run-weak LBers with pass-rushing DTs.
Why do we suck every year against the run?? lol.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:36 am
What’s wrong with the Jets running game? They’re kinda awesome at it. 300 yards vs us two years ago. We still suck at run D.
What’s wrong with the Pats running game? They were the first team in a LONG time to bust the Steelers in the mouth for over 100 yards last year.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:37 am
Oh, the Jets have that kinda awesome D that overwhelms Campbell and our young O-line.
The Patriots have that Brady and Belichick thing, and all those wins every year.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:39 am
the jets–shonn greene taking over–he is ok but not great. LT getting old.
the pats–green-ellis pretty good but not great.
they are good teams so i listed them as losses but at home, we could upset them, b/c they don’t have the kind of run game that would necessarily gash us.
the DT’s are good. seymour and kelly aren’t the problem. it’s the LB’s. horrible so far. i’m very concerned about it.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:41 am
We are not going to beat Chicago, Detroit, Dolphins, and Minnesota.
That’s crazy wishful.
Adrian Peterson vs the Raiders? Cover your eyes.
Dolphins ground and pound vs us? Saw it last year.
Bears D and Matt Forte vs us? Not good.
Stafford, Calvin Johnson, and Suh? 300 yards passing, 2 TDs receiving, and 3 sacks. Tough matchup.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:43 am
New England had the 9th best run game last year.
Whoever their RB is, they run the ball top-tier form. It’s the system and the HOF line coach there.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:45 am
in my listing of the sked and wins/losses, there aren’t any strong arguments against it. there aren’t any wins i listed that are ridiculous. unless, someone argues purely that b/c it’s the raiders, they can’t win. each of those games i listed as wins are very possible. both den games. kc and sd at home. buf/cle/min/chi/mia/det
buf–4-12 last year
cle–5-11 last year
min–6-10 last year
chi–11-5 last year but we play them at home and our pass rush could rattle cutler.
mia–7-9 last year
det–6-10 last year
10-6 very reasonable to hope for.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:47 am
True Rob, our LBs might be the worst run-D LBers in the division.
And our owner doesn’t prioritize the QB and D-Coordinator in this new-era NFL where those two are the most important positions in the NFL.
Saints = Brady and Gregg Williams.
Packers = Rodgers and that 3-4 blitz scheme.
Steelers = Big Ben and Dick Lebeau
Patriots = Brady and Belichick D.
Eagles = Vick and blitz happy D.
Jets = Sanchez and Rex Ryan.
Colts = Manning and cover 2.
It’s so simple, yet our guy doesn’t believe in it.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:49 am
But we LOST to the bad Texans, Dolphins, Jaguars, and 49ers last year.
Why? Run games.
We will be underdogs vs Minnesota, Miami, and Chicago for same reason.
Detroit is night and day better with Stafford healthy.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:53 am
I have a bad feeling we’ll lose to either Buffalo, Cleveland, or at Denver with their new run-game emphasis.
We don’t do well on the east coast, Cleveland is building a tough run/run D squad over there, and Denver has a real coach and running game now.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:54 am
i actually should have listed the hou game as a win, since they were 6-10 last year. so let’s see, 8 of 16 games this year are against sub-.500 teams from last year. and yes, we were better, since we were .500. #’s don’t lie. of the above-.500 teams we swept sd and kc. it’s a fact. so, 4 games against winning teams out-of-division. if we beat the 8 losers, and just split w/ sd and kc, who again, we swept last year, that’s 10 wins.
4 games against out-of-division over-.500 teams
nyj
ne
chi
gb
there always surprises. we could lose a game we shouldn’t and win a game we shouldn’t but cmon. the sked is not scary.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:58 am
but those teams (Houston, Miami) BEAT us last year.
Why doesn’t that matter? Their record is worse because they didn’t play the patsy AFC and NFC west like we did.
We were 2-8 outside our division for a reason
August 24th, 2011 at 2:00 am
Honestly, we’re a 6-10 / 7-9 team talent-wise.
No run D.
Weak pass O.
Weak D-coordinator.
Run game sucked vs. most top D’s last year (49ers, Steelers, Dolphins, Colts).
7-9 tops.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:03 am
believe me, i know betting and here’s what i would say the liones would be for the season right now, w/o in-season adjustments:
oak -2.5 @ den
oak -2.5 @ buf
oak +4.5 vs. nyj
oak +5.5 vs. ne
oak pk @ hou
oak -4.5 vs. cle
oak pk vs. kc
oak – 5.5 vs. den
oak +6 @ sd
oak pk @ min
oak +3.5 vs. chi
oak +1 @ mia
oak +7.5 @ gb
oak -6.5 vs. det
oak +3.5 @ kc
oak -1 vs. sd
August 24th, 2011 at 4:44 am
LA to TheBay Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 8:07 pm
A Raiders trainer tended to the lady and made sure she was all right.
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It was reported the lady was done for the season with a hamstring pull.
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Sources say that her name is “Augusta Schilens”
August 24th, 2011 at 5:21 am
Dolphins ground and pound vs us? Saw it last year.
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Reggie Bush and Larry Johnson? Thats who you think is going to run all over us? Gimme a freakin break.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:32 am
Bcz24 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 5:21 am
Dolphins ground and pound vs us? Saw it last year.
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Reggie Bush and Larry Johnson? Thats who you think is going to run all over us? Gimme a freakin break.
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I wouldn’t be surprised!
It’s not like we haven’t seen that before!!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:36 am
Reggie Bush will be trouble for us on the perimeter, by LJ is washed up. If he runs all over us we deserve to be 4-12 or worse.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:46 am
For those who doubted the Raider Medical Staff,
“Gaither, who reportedly failed a physical with the Raiders, missed a week’s worth of practices after saying he was “100%” when he signed. Might not make final roster. Haley said he had 19 day to show he was healthy and make the team.”
August 24th, 2011 at 5:57 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Travis Goethal out…Next man Up! Who cold it be? Lofa?
Anyways…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:57 am
When asked about the prospect of signing former Raiders middle linebacker Kirk Morrison or former Seattle Seahawks middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu, Jackson said:
“Every name that’s out there is” a possibility,” Jackson. “At this particular point in time if a guy can help the Raiders win, win the AFC West and continue toward our goals then we’re going to look at him. I don’t think we’ll shy away from anybody if they can help us.”
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Terrell Owens, Kirk Morrison & Brian Waters please!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:06 am
Second-year guard Bruce Campbell had a mighty impressive showing at practice, working mostly with the second team at right guard.
On several occasions, Campbell manhandled a defender and cleared a huge hole for the running back. It was enough to warrant another mention from Jackson afterward about the progress he is making.
Jackson said he is getting closer to settling upon the starting five for the offenive line. It’s apparent that Campbell is in the mix, despite missing the first two weeks or so of camp with a sore right knee.
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second team DT’s are who?
John Henderson missed practice again (injured)
Seymour & Kelly are 1st team.
BCamp abused Desmond Bryant, Jamie Cumbie or Derrick Hill (all undrafted players) and only Dez has a realistic shot at making the team – but I can’t wait until Jhill takes this above comment from Steve and paints a picture of Bruce Campbell being a BEAST or sure-fire Oline starter!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:19 am
Hello!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:21 am
272.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 5:46 am
For those who doubted the Raider Medical Staff,
“Gaither, who reportedly failed a physical with the Raiders, missed a week’s worth of practices after saying he was “100%” when he signed. Might not make final roster. Haley said he had 19 day to show he was healthy and make the team.”
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Must have a new medical staff.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:23 am
Raider Medical Staff determined he had leftover problems from the medical diagnosis “Big Nick!”
August 24th, 2011 at 6:32 am
This may be an old list, but here are the available LB’s in free agency – besides Kirk Morrison & Lofa Tatupu:
Ayodele, Akin
Beckwith, Darry
Chillar, Brandon
Crowder, Channing
Ellison, Keith
Hayes, Gerald
Laury, Lance
Mays, Corey
Moore, Brandon
Wilhelm, Matt
Williams, Leon
Alexander, Eric
Arnoux, Stanley
Briggs, Diyral
Henson, Robert
Howard, Marcus
Pawelek, Joe
Smith, Kelvin
Waters, Anthony
Bentley, Kevin
Blackburn, Chase
Hodge, Abdul
Jones, Dhani
Wilson, Rod
Allred, Colin
Anderson, Charlie
Bailey, Patrick
Banta-Cain, Tully
Bulluck, Keith
Ciurciu, Vinny
Clark, Danny
Corto, Jon
Dizon, Jordon
Follett, Zack
Hagler, Tyjuan
Hall, Alex
Harris, Nic
Hawthorne, David
Johnson, Landon
Mitchell, Kawika
Moses, Quentin
Nicholas, Stephen
Peterson, Mike
Senn, Jordan
Shaw, Tim
Thornton, David
Tinoisamoa, Pisa
Tucker, Jyles
Vrabel, Mike
Wilkinson, Gerris
Williams, Jamar
Winborn, Jamie
August 24th, 2011 at 6:35 am
Let’s grab Quentin Moses
August 24th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Id give Kawika Mitchell a look.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:44 am
I’m not too excited to see guys like Darryl Blackstock, Bruce Davis, Chris Francis or Bani Gbadyu play ANY snaps on Defense …
special teams? fine
We lost Thomas Howard, Ricky Brown & Travis Goethel from last season. None of those guys have been replaced imo
Assuming Wimbley, McClain & Groves are the unquestionned starters at LB, the Raiders may just be looking for quality depth – which is why I posted the FA list (Morrison & Tatupu would want to start I would think)
August 24th, 2011 at 6:46 am
BRINK MORRISON BACK HAVE HIM PLAY WLB. KET GROVES BE THE BACKUP. IF CHAZ AINT READY TO GO THEN WEEK 3 BRING IN TO AND LETS GET THE TRAIN ROLLIN
August 24th, 2011 at 6:46 am
Where’s this article Jerry wrote on McFadden?
August 24th, 2011 at 6:48 am
This team needs a big dose of Horse Steroids! Need that Roid rage!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:51 am
BRINK MORRISON BACK HAVE HIM PLAY WLB. LET GROVES BE THE BACKUP. IF CHAZ AINT READY TO GO THEN WEEK 3 BRING IN TO AND LETS GET THE TRAIN ROLLIN
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Yeah baby!
is this Dirt Lot Football?
August 24th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Haha Rockstar…I thought the same thing too when I saw all the caps!
August 24th, 2011 at 7:06 am
Good Morning AM crew!
Hwnrdr, MOK, General, Booty, Exla, Dakota, BCZ …
August 24th, 2011 at 7:08 am
Morning RaiderRockStar
August 24th, 2011 at 7:14 am
Is this the most injuries that we have had in camp alone?
August 24th, 2011 at 7:14 am
This is so funny on so many different levels I wouldn’t know where to start.
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# priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:18 am
My Track record is flawless compared to your’s which is basicall nonexistent.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Obviously,
Hue is to blame.
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# hwnrdr Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 7:14 am
Is this the most injuries that we have had in camp alone?
August 24th, 2011 at 7:15 am
LJ is washed up. If he runs all over us we deserve to be 4-12 or worse.
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Agreed with BCZ
Larry Johnson did NOTHING for the Bengals or Redskins the past 2 years.
Actually, since 2006 LJ has only started 27 games (all for KC) 534 carries for 2016 yards (3.77 ypc) with 8 TD’s and 8 fumbles
He turns 32 years old this season and the magic number for RB’s riding off into the sunset is usually 30
August 24th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Do you think AL wants Kirk Morrison back? I don’t know.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:19 am
Good to be part of the a.m. crew again. God I missed football
Blowing off work to go see the Pirates get slaughtered by the Brewers today. Wahoo.
Kawika Mitchell’s spent the last two years on IR. Pass.
Tully Banta-Cain is a 3-4 rush linebacker and a mediocre one at that. Pass.
Captain Kirk could be a serviceable stopgap, but he’s better suited to the strongside than the weakside. Tatupu has tons of talent but isn’t a weakside linebacker.
It’s a bleak situation for sure
August 24th, 2011 at 7:22 am
Hue is to blame
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for injuries?
I don’t blame the guy for wanting to have a PHYSICAL football team, but with a shortened offseason and so many young players – it’s hard to just pick up where we left off from last year. new HC, new OC, new OL Coach, new DC, new LB Coach, new DB Coach
would you rather be dumb & tough or smart & healthy?
Jerry & Steve report this has been one of the most intense camps they’ve seen in Oakland – which might not be a good thing is we continue to lose key players at this rate and just rely on the backups to produce starter quality work
August 24th, 2011 at 7:24 am
Tully Banta-Cain is a 3-4 rush linebacker and a mediocre one at that. Pass.
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He was NEs best pass rusher since he got there, he was ONLY released because he is hurt. He is far more the mediocre.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:26 am
Kawika Mitchell’s spent the last two years on IR. Pass.
Tully Banta-Cain is a 3-4 rush linebacker and a mediocre one at that. Pass.
Captain Kirk could be a serviceable stopgap, but he’s better suited to the strongside than the weakside. Tatupu has tons of talent but isn’t a weakside linebacker.
It’s a bleak situation for sure
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PA, welcome back bro!
so from that list, who would be the best option?
Kirk Morrison ???
August 24th, 2011 at 7:26 am
297.bcz24 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 7:24 am
Tully Banta-Cain is a 3-4 rush linebacker and a mediocre one at that. Pass.
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He was NEs best pass rusher since he got there, he was ONLY released because he is hurt. He is far more the mediocre.
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He’s had ONE above average season. 2009, he had 10 sacks. Other than that, his career high is 5.5. Plus he’s crap in coverage. Again, pass.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Jerry & Steve report this has been one of the most intense camps they’ve seen in Oakland – which might not be a good thing is we continue to lose key players at this rate and just rely on the backups to produce starter quality work
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We dont have dramatically more injuries than a lot of other teams… Hell the giants already have 3 defensive starters on IR. We need these tough practices for 2 reasons, 1. These guys had NO football activities for 7 months. I dont care how hard you work out, you will NEVER be in hitting shape until you hit someone, and 2. We no longer have the benefit of 2 a days, these guys have to go hard for 2 hours a day, and come the regular season we only get 14 padded practices for the whole season. We HAVE to make the most of every opportunity. Injuries happen, if you dont want to get hurt dont play football.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:28 am
PA, welcome back bro!
so from that list, who would be the best option?
Kirk Morrison ???
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Thanks, RRS! Good to be here.
I’d think Captain Kirk would be the best option, yes, because I think his natural position always was on the outside at least.
It’d be hard for Tatupu to come in and learn a new position with no camp and two preseason games left. Kirk at least knows how things are done in Oakland…there’s no way Bresnahan’s defense is much, if any, different from the way Marshall and Ryan ran things since Al exerts such a heavy influence over that side of the ball.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:32 am
I hope Pryor wants to wear #2 so I can pull that old jersey out of the rag bin.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:33 am
We dont have dramatically more injuries than a lot of other teams… Hell the giants already have 3 defensive starters on IR. We need these tough practices for 2 reasons, 1. These guys had NO football activities for 7 months. I dont care how hard you work out, you will NEVER be in hitting shape until you hit someone, and 2. We no longer have the benefit of 2 a days, these guys have to go hard for 2 hours a day, and come the regular season we only get 14 padded practices for the whole season. We HAVE to make the most of every opportunity. Injuries happen, if you dont want to get hurt dont play football.
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touche!
hard to argue with that. I was just responding to Brown’s comment about it being Hue Jackson’s fault we’ve had so many injuries
I can see it from both angles. Tom Cable had some soft learning-intensive practices and for the most part, kept players healthy throughout camp – saving them for the games, so to speak.
Well if it’s true that you practice how you play, then I guess we really didn’t play that hard and still finished 8-8, sweeping the division. Maybe we really should’ve been 12-4 last year?
Who knows? Lot of things to think about here …
August 24th, 2011 at 7:36 am
CODE BLACK! YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAH
August 24th, 2011 at 7:36 am
I don’t know if Kirk would want to come back and play here. He thought he was on a rise here with Oakland. Then all of sudden no thanks we taking McCalin and he has been in the toilet ever sense.
He may want to wait and see who gets hurt at ML and get on with that team.
Kirk may not want to be a Raider again after leading in sacks but getting sacked. I for one thought he made most of his tackles off the line.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:38 am
I hope Pryor wants to wear #2 so I can pull that old jersey out of the rag bin.
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HK,
I think most people burned theirs – but you can probably find a #2 Russell jersey on Ebay for 50 cents and then just have the stitching replaced where the name was
Pryor should be #9 like Vince Young in Philly so Raiderman99 will root for him!
Otherwise here come the “JaTerrelle” comments
August 24th, 2011 at 7:38 am
Bring in Kirk and Tatupu both dammit…..Q Groves just like Jake Grove dont belong in Oakland
August 24th, 2011 at 7:39 am
We need some spark and fire under our Butts. Hue had to make up time in a short season and if you listen hegives starters breaks. It is a physical sport, no way around injuries. Goethel and McFadden both were freak accidents.
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303.RaiderRockstar Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 7:33 am
We dont have dramatically more injuries than a lot of other teams… Hell the giants already have 3 defensive starters on IR. We need these tough practices for 2 reasons, 1. These guys had NO football activities for 7 months. I dont care how hard you work out, you will NEVER be in hitting shape until you hit someone, and 2. We no longer have the benefit of 2 a days, these guys have to go hard for 2 hours a day, and come the regular season we only get 14 padded practices for the whole season. We HAVE to make the most of every opportunity. Injuries happen, if you dont want to get hurt dont play football.
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touche!
hard to argue with that. I was just responding to Brown’s comment about it being Hue Jackson’s fault we’ve had so many injuries
I can see it from both angles. Tom Cable had some soft learning-intensive practices and for the most part, kept players healthy throughout camp – saving them for the games, so to speak.
Well if it’s true that you practice how you play, then I guess we really didn’t play that hard and still finished 8-8, sweeping the division. Maybe we really should’ve been 12-4 last year?
Who knows? Lot of things to think about here …
August 24th, 2011 at 7:40 am
RRS….yep cuz to Ninerwoman49 all black qbs are a “Ja”
August 24th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Pryor would have to be on Purple Drink to take Russels old #. WHy would you want to open that can of worms?
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306.RaiderRockstar Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 7:38 am
I hope Pryor wants to wear #2 so I can pull that old jersey out of the rag bin.
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HK,
I think most people burned theirs – but you can probably find a #2 Russell jersey on Ebay for 50 cents and then just have the stitching replaced where the name was
Pryor should be #9 like Vince Young in Philly so Raiderman99 will root for him!
Otherwise here come the “JaTerrelle” comments
August 24th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Yeah Cable saved us thats why his teams never got off to a fast start lol
August 24th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Kirk at least knows how things are done in Oakland…there’s no way Bresnahan’s defense is much, if any, different from the way Marshall and Ryan ran things since Al exerts such a heavy influence over that side of the ball.
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Money post!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
August 24th, 2011 at 7:42 am
I think our practice methods under cable DID show up in some games. Especially early in the season. The Titans game certainly showed that. We werent ready to play football in that game.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Good morning all.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Kirk to Enterprise. Beam me up, Herrera.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:44 am
JaKyle and JaTrent suck too… its universal. LOL
August 24th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Hope Bresnahan and the defensive staff conjuring up ways to get pressure on Brees or its gonna be a long drunk night for the Coliseum
August 24th, 2011 at 7:44 am
What number did Pryor have in college?
August 24th, 2011 at 7:45 am
Bcz…..yeah it aint universal at all
August 24th, 2011 at 7:45 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Pryor would have to be on Purple Drink to take Russels old #. WHy would you want to open that can of worms?
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Just throwing that bait out there to see what I’d catch. I really wouldn’t want that.
RRS i gave mine to a clothing drive along time ago, but i doubt even a homeless person wanted it.
Go Pryor. Go Raiders.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Neilb Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 7:44 am
What number did Pryor have in college?
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#2
August 24th, 2011 at 7:47 am
2 ? 2 !!?? WTF.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:48 am
The raiders should retire that number now.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:49 am
CJ Legend 34,
for all the people who said “Kirk Morrison sucks” he had like 100+ 5 straight seasons in Oakland and his tackles for a loss #’s were higher than you’d think too
excellent in coverage. professional. good locker room guy and leader.
Compare his supporting cast to the one Al Davis gave Rolando McClain and tell me Capt Kirk got a fair shake in Oakland. Ridiculous
I’d like to see him back in Oakland, but we may have washed out hands of him or vice versa.
I’m not gonna beat the KM drum all day long or say that McClain is a bust at MLB. I just think that the Run Defense needs to get shored up and leave it at that
August 24th, 2011 at 7:50 am
If Hue is gonna make a final change to the OL its this week….otherwise we stuck with the trash aka Loper, Satele,Carlisle and Barnes. Hue you wanna start 1-0 or 0-1?
August 24th, 2011 at 7:52 am
If memory serves….
Kirk started on the outside before being moved inside.I would have no problem having Kirk back.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:54 am
Kirk can come back and play WLB NO PROBLEMO!……Just no to MLB…..we seen enuff of that already
August 24th, 2011 at 7:54 am
JaKyle and JaTrent suck too… its universal.
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LOL
what about JaMarques?
anybody miss him?
August 24th, 2011 at 7:56 am
what about JaMarques?
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Nicely played sir.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Peyton going to miss week 1. Colts just sign Kerry Collins out of retirement.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Problem is Wimbley still looks lost at SLB…dont know what we do to remedy that
August 24th, 2011 at 7:59 am
If BSJ was here no doubt he’d have said JaJon.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Manning may not play this season. That neck is all fked up…..KFC is back? Wow
August 24th, 2011 at 8:00 am
i gave mine to a clothing drive along time ago, but i doubt even a homeless person wanted it.
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HK,
homeless people are embarrassed … for JaMarcus!
August 24th, 2011 at 8:00 am
What is it with the colts and former 1st round picks?
August 24th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Peyton going to miss week 1. Colts just sign Kerry Collins out of retirement.
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Are you joking?
August 24th, 2011 at 8:03 am
That “Ja” schit is trash and totally a LOADED shot
August 24th, 2011 at 8:04 am
336.RaiderRockstar Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Peyton going to miss week 1. Colts just sign Kerry Collins out of retirement.
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Are you joking?
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Collins signing confirmed by Schefter, et al. Manning’s availability for week 1 still up in the air.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Kerry Collins comes out of retirement sheesh that was fast
August 24th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Not joking. Irsay just posted the signing on Twitter. If they were still sure Peyton would be ready I cant see them going after a vet.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Man the Texans bout to ace Indy come week 1….i think theyre gate opened for that division this season
August 24th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Collins signing confirmed by Schefter, et al. Manning’s availability for week 1 still up in the air
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Thanks fellas …
I bet Curtis Painter & Dan Orlovsky are pissed!
August 24th, 2011 at 8:08 am
#2…Pryor, stay away from that number for your good.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:09 am
They’d rather have Kerry Collins than trade for one of our stellar backup QBs???? How DARE they?
August 24th, 2011 at 8:10 am
What’s in a number?
I’d RATHER have Pryor rock #2 and start some good memories of it.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:10 am
344.LA to TheBay Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:09 am
They’d rather have Kerry Collins than trade for one of our stellar backup QBs???? How DARE they?
HAHAHA! Love the sarcasm LA
August 24th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Cut JaJon!
August 24th, 2011 at 8:15 am
the Texans bout to ace Indy come week 1
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Indy still has talent without Manning, but probably not enough to beat division rival Houston
Gotta get something from the running game. Reggie Wayne & Dallas Clark got game
Freeney & Mathis gonna rock it with the pass rush
August 24th, 2011 at 8:19 am
They’d rather have Kerry Collins than trade for one of our stellar backup QBs???? How DARE they?
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LA,
They inquired.
Al Davis wanted a 2nd for Boller, a 3rd for Edwards, a 6th for La Secla and two 1st rounders for Jason Campbell
August 24th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Neil,
Were you implying that I have become predictable? LOL
Seriously, though…by week 6 Pryor should be longsnapping.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:22 am
LOL…Pryor better NOT be longsnapping…
August 24th, 2011 at 8:22 am
LA….hahahahahaha thats funny
August 24th, 2011 at 8:23 am
I dont know man… I was just talking about this with my sales guy, I think Indy is at BEST an 8-8 team without Peyton, maybe even worse.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:24 am
Obviously.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Indy in trouble
August 24th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Bcz….6-10 without peyton
August 24th, 2011 at 8:27 am
Al Davis wanted a 2nd for Boller, a 3rd for Edwards, a 6th for La Secla and two 1st rounders for Jason Campbell
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LMAO!
August 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am
I think Indy is at BEST an 8-8 team without Peyton, maybe even worse.
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Do you think they place Manning on I.R. to tank the season and draft Luck for PM to groom?
August 24th, 2011 at 8:29 am
358.RaiderRockstar Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am
I think Indy is at BEST an 8-8 team without Peyton, maybe even worse.
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Do you think they place Manning on I.R. to tank the season and draft Luck for PM to groom?
Interesting! But what would that do to Peyton, knowing that he will have a year off of football? Hmmm…
August 24th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Although that would be a good grooming service done for Andrew Luck…
August 24th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Do you think they place Manning on I.R. to tank the season and draft Luck for PM to groom?
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No, they make every effort to get Peyton healthy and go to the playoffs. No guarantee they get Luck and you make a lot more money as an organization with a healthy Manning and a playoff berth.
Would be a dream scenario for Luck, though, even if he wanted to start week 1, to sit behind Peyton for a year or three.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Morrison might actually be the guy. We need a backup MLB first and foremost, and Morrison knows the system and is certainly better than Groves.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Jhill I think you’re right about Morrison under these circumstances he just makes the most sense. However I would consider signing both he and Tatupu. If THoward is available I would also consider him. Trevor Scott has got to come in and save this situation it got desparate when goethel went down they are very high on Goethel as a integral part of what they have to do to stop the run.
If Trevor Scott can just come in and solidify that WLB spot we would be made whole.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:43 am
What up, J Heezy.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:43 am
If morrison come back should he get his number back and have groves take T.Howards number
August 24th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Howard signed a deal in Cincy and wanted out of Oakland pretty bad from what I understand.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:45 am
TheGeneral Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:43 am
If morrison come back should he get his number back and have groves take T.Howards number
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But he’d have to purchase all the unslold Groves jerseys.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Thomas Howard now plays for the bungles intercepting wobbly passes from grads as we speak
August 24th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Greg Biekert to suit up and man the MLB position…
August 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Hu Jack turns D-Mac into a star!!!!!
Its awfully funny how some of these chuckle heads tried to credit Cable with turning him around. Hu Jack is the reason that d-mac had a break out year. Hu jack is the reason for our offensive improvement.
Cable gets credit for being a barney rubble stunt double, and that is it.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Thomas Howard now plays for the bungles intercepting wobbly passes from grads as we speak
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As opposed to intercepting underthrown deep balls from Campbell.
Sorry, Mistic. Had to homie. To easy and too slow at the office anyway. What’s up with you, mayne?
August 24th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Cable gets credit for being a barney rubble stunt double, and that is it.
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LMAO!
Yup, much credit to Huge Action and Kelly Skipper and the dudes at that facility McFadden trained at last two offseasons.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Beast Campbell and Heyer need to be our starting OGs!
August 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Wassup LA
August 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
J, can you tell me more about what you see on film with Heyer? Was he getting reps at OG or OT or both?
August 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
I cant wait for Campbell to start with the first team offense. When he and barksdale line up side by side they will plow through the defensive front and line backers. There will be huge holes for mac bush.
It will also be nice to JC be able to drop back and actually have time to go through progressions, then step up into a solid and clearly defined pocket.
I saw barksdale and campbell stonewalling the defenders, and it wasnt even close.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:57 am
I saw barksdale and campbell stonewalling the defenders, and it wasnt even close.
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Being that it’s preseason and preseason is for stuff like this:
Think we’ll see a rotation and/or surprise starters v. NO?
Think we need to give the youngsters a shot against a legit starting D for a whole half+.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Heyer came in the 2nd series at LG with the ones still on the field. He was ridiculously eye opening with the way he was powering folks off the line.
Young B’s boy Calais Campbell was getting tossed around like a rag doll.
He played LT in the 3rd qtr and JFB said he wasn’t impressed. Moot point since Veldheer and Barksdale will end up starting on the edges.
August 24th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Mistic and Jhill, I agree. B. Campbell can get a bit to tall at times but he is one strong dude to be sure. Liked what i saw from Heyar as well. need to get him back tho. i widh hue would just name the starters already and let them play.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:00 am
SIGN LOFA OR KIRK!
They will be an upgrade at the WLB position over Groves right away!
August 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
So when the HELL is Pryor getting his butt into camp already?
Damn Rosenhaus…
August 24th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Not one of our QBs are signed past this year. I thought that was an interesting tidbit.
Too bad both of those guys threw headscratching INTs this past weekend. We might have actually had some trade bait for a OLB.
I was hoping Glo would sit the Saints game out so we could see a good battle between Boeller and Edwards for the #2 spot. If they both had good showings, gives us a shot a trading one of them.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Note to Prissttj:
Numerous good takes last nite, but you were arguing with Alex who is negative on 9 out of 10 postings. You’re right on about the Pryor pick, it’s going to be looked upon as a major steal in the future. Pryor, for a young, 22 yrs, and only six years playing the QB spot has so much more upside, especially if handled and taught correctly. Hue, though in his first year as a headcoach, has show the ability (last years major improvement with McFadden by playing to his strength) to coach up and to tap the skills of his players. Pryor is going to have a whole year of NFL teaching so he’ll be way above himself if he could have remained in college. But then, he would have been a top seven pick. Anyway, good takes.
RobRaider:…Your right on about Todd Mcshay, he’s an idiot to challenge someone mental abilities. If you’ve seen the (Gruden/Pryor) tape, you’ll see Pryor is a leader and understands the game of football. McShay is just another commentator who will bash the Raiders at every opportunity…ala: Sapp, Carter, Jackson, etc.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:05 am
So Branch got some reps in at CB yesterday with Chekwas moving to S. I have to imagine Checkwa was at FS, not SS.
I always thought Stevie Brown would be a better fit at SS since he is a converted LB.
Too bad MM34 is not able to take advantage of this opportunity.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:05 am
RaiderDuck Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
So when the HELL is Pryor getting his butt into camp already?
Damn Rosenhaus…
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Wonder if there’s an issue with the slotting process being that no one else from 2012 draft has been signed?
August 24th, 2011 at 9:07 am
J, I agree, but I can also tell you that Chimdi is a pretty physical guy. Gets a good jam at the LOS.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Branch at CB would probably just be ask to shadow his guy. Don’t know that’s a bad idea. He’s a heavy hitter, but whiffs on occasion and is really poor in coverage, in particular any kind of cover 2 look.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am
I think Branch could be a pretty good press corner.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:11 am
LA To TheBay Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Wonder if there’s an issue with the slotting process being that no one else from 2012 draft has been signed?
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Maybe Rosenhaus is trying to jack us over the guaranteed money, or maybe he’s doing the old “He was a first-round talent, so you should PAY him like one!”
He’s definitely doing his client no favors. Pryor has exactly NINE more days until his suspension kicks in. You’d think his agent would want him here, practicing and learning.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Branch at CB? Sure… why dont we play Seymour at FS too
August 24th, 2011 at 9:12 am
I think Branch’s weakness in coverage as a S is due to him being so aggressive.
You greatly reduce his responsiblities in coverage by putting him back at corner.
How much does Chekwa weigh?
Checkwa at FS and Brown at SS.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Was Seymour a CB coming into the NFL?
August 24th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Heyer barksdale and campbell are demanding looks with th first team based on the fact that they are killing it in practice and on game day.
heyer is a huge upgrade over loper. If wiz isnt ready to take over the center spot so be it. Satele flanked by all of that power and beef will see his deficinies minimized.
Veldeheer-Heyer_wiz/satele-campbell-barksdale
August 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Interesting! But what would that do to Peyton, knowing that he will have a year off of football? Hmmm…
Although that would be a good grooming service done for Andrew Luck
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Hwnrdr,
Let Manning rest & recover. He’ll be 100 % before THIS season is up, but why rush him back and risk further injury? something more severe and potentially career threatening?
Manning has a FAT contract and gets paid big bucks whether he starts or not and with this new rookie wage scale they wouldn’t have to break the bank if they did draft Luck as Peyton’s eventual replacement.
Could be a Favre/Rodgers type situation …
August 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
check
August 24th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Hey! I’m back on.
I’ll be quick before I get stopped again.
Sorry,BSJ…..couldn’t resist it.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
I hope BCampbell and Barks get some run against first teamers this week to see if they’re for real. Too bad Heyer can’t be in there with them because these three have a nastiness that could set the tone for our O
August 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
What it do Nation; been awhile since I posted in here, but I had get my 2 cents about Pryor. I have heard that once he signs his contract, he still is not allowed to practice, but for some crazy reason he is allowed to play in pre-season games. For that reason, I wonder if we might see him in the 4th quarter of the Saints game. If I had a new player, that can’t practice with the team, but is allowed to play in a practice game, I would put him in with some real simple plays to see what he can do. Give him a few pass/run option plays where he only needs to make one deep read then tuck the ball and run. Worst case-scenario we get to see what he can make out of a broken play with his legs; best case scenario he might actually get to make some deep throws to D. Moore or DHB.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Just turned off Todd McShay (of ESPN) the second time this morning.
Money Quote: “The Raiders don’t have a second, third or fourth-rounder next year, and all they got for that was a couple of rookies, Terrelle Pryor and Jason Campbell. There’s nobody there who could help them in the future.”
So McShay doesn’t believe that rookies can help you in the future???
August 24th, 2011 at 9:24 am
based on the idea that the NFL and NFLPA are truly serious about instituting bloodtesting for PEDs including siphoning blood on game days (although recreational drugs will not be tested for <—hahaha), and given the normal appalling attrition rate by injury among players even when they could consume any chemical cocktail they pleased, are we going to be seeing an even greater uptick of players going down for the year with serious nicks and dings because they are now going to have severely limited PED choices (although players can always tank up on cocaine on game day)?
the NFL built its monster on the back of chemistry and now it is about to see the effects and the after-effects of the removal of said chemicals.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:28 am
TheGeneral Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:43 am
If morrison come back should he get his number back and have groves take T.Howards number
Even if Goethel was gonna backup Groves and Mcclain we gotta get Travis replacement. Will Kirk be fine being a backup for Mcclain and competing for a starting spot with Groves and at what cost? Can’t be too much if he’s still available
August 24th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Branch got some reps in at CB yesterday with Chekwas moving to S.
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Interesting!
thanks for the info
August 24th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Vehldeer Heyer Satele Barksdale Campbell
Yes I’m okay with having Mr. Wisniewski being backup to Mr. Satele and the two guard positions as he develops into an all-pro;
I would like to see Mr. Campbell at right tackle with Mr. Barksdale on the inside; I truly believe that could be something special and dominating against defensive lines.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:33 am
I read that as well re: Mr. Branch at CB & Mr. Chekwa at S.
I noticed Chimi playing safety (or nickel) vs SF.
I wonder if Mr. Johnson is injured more than just short term, he has had lingering injury problems ever since his breakout season a few years ago.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
when all the chekwas and boyds and wmcfaddens and sterlings are sorted out with the final roster cuts, in all likelihood one of them will end up starting week one as a DB for the NY football Giants.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Pryor n camp yet?
August 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Raiders now have 2 OSU players, 2 from the U, 1 from SMU, USC?
how many more death penalty programs can we pillage?
August 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am
I would be okay with trading either Mr. Ware, Mr. McFadden (not the RB), Mr. Moore (DB not WR), or Mr. Boyd to the New York Giants for a 4th/5th/6th or a linebacker.
I would rather get something than cut them and get nothing.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am
From ESPN.com article on Pryor.
“I’m often as confused as anyone by the Raiders’ strategy, but gambling on Pryor makes some sense. Besides, if Davis were Bill Belichick, we’d be calling this move genius.”
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There you go. That is absolute truth on the Pryor deal.
Haynesworth to Oakland? ESPN would say “typical Raiders taking a huge gamble on a clubhouse cancer and old has been who won’t help team”
Haynesworth to NE?: “Belicheck is a genius. Great move”
Same wih Ochocinco if he would’ve gone to Oakland and now with the Pryor thing you see the reaction and KNOW if Belicheck would’ve done this? Pure genius.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am
I noticed Chimi playing safety (or nickel) vs SF.
I wonder if Mr. Johnson is injured more than just short term, he has had lingering injury problems ever since his breakout season a few years ago.
either way good to have Branch practicing his cover skills, just hope he doesn’t play corner in games that count
August 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Raiders now have 2 OSU players, 2 from the U, 1 from SMU, USC?
how many more death penalty programs can we pillage?
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LOL, how many division 1 schools are there?
August 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am
RaiderRetrib,
Boise State is as corrupt as any of the abovementioned (or did you think that players signed there because it is such a scintillating town?), the Raiders don’t have any of those ex-Donkeys do they?
August 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Mum o,
The guy who drove 8 cars in college and was pampered with free stuff is doing the radio circuit instead of banging at practices in the heat? Shocked, I tell ya!
If he’s not in by tomorrow then he’s just waiting til after the suspension.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Funny how Kirk Morrison was one of the more outspoken players during the lockout, saying the players deserve this, they deserve that, and now he has to worry if he’ll get another paycheck.
People see film. They know Capt. Kirk was NOT a good linebacker. He overshot everything, went to the wrong gaps on a regular basis etc. etc. etc.
There’s a reason Jax doesn’ want him and Oakland ot rid of him.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
From ESPN.com article on Pryor.
“I’m often as confused as anyone by the Raiders’ strategy, but gambling on Pryor makes some sense. Besides, if Davis were Bill Belichick, we’d be calling this move genius.”
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There you go. That is absolute truth on the Pryor deal.
Haynesworth to Oakland? ESPN would say “typical Raiders taking a huge gamble on a clubhouse cancer and old has been who won’t help team”
Haynesworth to NE?: “Belicheck is a genius. Great move”
Same wih Ochocinco if he would’ve gone to Oakland and now with the Pryor thing you see the reaction and KNOW if Belicheck would’ve done this? Pure genius.
Having Haynesworth sounds real good right about now. I’ll set the line at John Henderson playing in 7 games this year
August 24th, 2011 at 9:45 am
I hope pryor takes a page from the Cam newton book. Come in put your head down and go to work. By all accounts Newton works on passing in his spare time with team mates steve smith and company, and frequently stays late, way after practice to continue working.
Pryor can just come in and learn the game and the system, and doesnt need to see the field this year.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Cable turned dmac around?!?!?!
BWAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
August 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Hagar the Horrible Thanks for the kind words, and yes I know how the kid rolls that’s why I took the time for once let him have it. He’s a very young Raider fan who has bought all the Al Davis has to die before we ever do anything slant.
He gets a little tiring which is why I don’t read his post much. But the Pryor subject was sensitive for me because I’m passsionant concerning how black QB’s who are great athletes never are given the proper coaching because coaches want to take advantage of their athleticism first. And coach them up last, if you take the same approach as you would any other start QB you would have the best of both worlds.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am
In regard o Morrison, I have seen waaaay too much tape of him standing in the opponets backfield while the opposing teams running back runs down the field for a long touchdown becuz Kirk overshot the gap or got fooled OR just missed a tackle.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Captain Kirk was miscast as a middle line backer, he was terrific as a rookie playing on the outside. I am sure that signing him now would give us quality depth at both spots. Kirk at olb is better than groves & goethel.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Which injury hurts us most Game 1?
Chaz
Murphy
Big John
Goethel
CJ
August 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
I hope he doesn’t see the field this year because as soon as they wildcat him he’ll get pigeon holed and the same garbage starts all over. Coach him the same way you would Andrew Luck or any other star QB and you’ll get everything out of him. Let DMC run the wildcat no one does it better.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:58 am
inonewordraider Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Which injury hurts us most Game 1?
Chaz
Murphy
Big John
Goethel
CJ
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Easily CJ, although Big John is needed for 15-25 snaps a game to help v. the run.
August 24th, 2011 at 9:59 am
priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
I hope he doesn’t see the field this year because as soon as they wildcat him he’ll get pigeon holed and the same garbage starts all over. Coach him the same way you would Andrew Luck or any other star QB and you’ll get everything out of him. Let DMC run the wildcat no one does it better
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I disagree. He’s a weapon. Get him on the field however you can, but make sure he’s in the QB meetings and taking reps as a QB.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Tom Cable was the head coach as our team improved by 3 wins last year. There’s no way around that. There is no possible way to determine if Hue Jackson deserves the credit for that improvement until Hue Jackson puts up at least as many wins this year, and he should put up more, if he’s truly better than Cable. So until Jackson sees his 9th or 10th victory in a single season, whether or not he’s better than Cable is still undetermined. As far as anyone knows, Tom Cable is the one who brought the improvement, because he was the head coach as we improved. The onus is on Hue Jackson to prove otherwise, and that’s yet to happen.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am
# priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
I hope he doesn’t see the field this year because as soon as they wildcat him he’ll get pigeon holed and the same garbage starts all over. Coach him the same way you would Andrew Luck or any other star QB and you’ll get everything out of him. Let DMC run the wildcat no one does it better.
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Priest,
I cant satnd the idea of taking a qb, and calling him a wild cat. it seems like a way to diminish a qbs ability to read a dfense and make accurate passes, and relegate him to some sort of option gimmick. If you have a receiver or a running back taking the snap thats fine, but when its a qb why do they use the term wild cat? before that the term was ” a slash type”.
It is almost as if any black qb that is mobile is automatically pushed into this so called wild cat garbage. Almost the same thing as taking lenny moore and making him a half back.
Some things never change
August 24th, 2011 at 10:04 am
August 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am
In regard o Morrison, I have seen waaaay too much tape of him standing in the opponets backfield while the opposing teams running back runs down the field for a long touchdown becuz Kirk overshot the gap or got fooled OR just missed a tackle.
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With that said, he’s still better than Groves.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Tom Cable was the head coach as our team improved by 3 wins last year. There’s no way around that. There is no possible way to determine if Hue Jackson deserves the credit for that improvement until Hue Jackson puts up at least as many wins this year, and he should put up more, if he’s truly better than Cable. So until Jackson sees his 9th or 10th victory in a single season, whether or not he’s better than Cable is still undetermined. As far as anyone knows, Tom Cable is the one who brought the improvement, because he was the head coach as we improved. The onus is on Hue Jackson to prove otherwise, and that’s yet to happen.
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Here it is in black and white. I will take this documented history and first hand accounts from the two parties involved, over your unsubstantiated suppositions and wild theories.
“I asked Darren, I said, ‘What is it that you like to run? You were a Heisman Trophy finalist. What was it that put you in that group of people?’ ” Jackson said. “And he said, ‘Coach, I’m used to running a certain type of run.’ And I go, ‘Well, why don’t we run them here?’ He said, ‘It’s not our style.’ And I go, ‘Well, what do you like to run?’ -_hu jack
Clearly cable was holding back the development of a truly gifted athlete. Hu jack remedied the situation.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
As long as the NFL is white owned and white controlled, black players will always be viewed as athletic assets to white players’ leadership. Unfortunate but true fact. Where is the black ownership? Al Davis is supposed to be a pioneer. Why can’t he cut one of his former black players or coaches in on a small chunk of ownership, as the Lakers have with Magic Johnson? It’s no longer about getting a brother a job. That was the ’60s. It’s 2011. What is Al Davis doing for black ownership? What an opportunity he has before him to continue being a pioneer in NFL race relations, this time taking it to the ownership level.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:06 am
BHP,
HueJack stands for finding what a player does best and accentuating that. Here in the cheap seats we can wish for anything we want, but trust the HC to see what he’s got to work with in the developmental process.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Captain Kirk was miscast as a middle line backer, he was terrific as a rookie playing on the outside. I am sure that signing him now would give us quality depth at both spots. Kirk at olb is better than groves & goethel.
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yup
August 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Are you guys still arguing about Pryor? When I left last night you guys were going hot & heavy.
A piece of advice. Don’t worry about things that don’t make any difference right now. The Pryor pick is history. He’ll join the team who knows when. He’s a definite non-issue until at lest week 6 and well beyond. Let’s focus on the immediate team and the immediate needs & concerns. This season starts in a couple of weeks and our concerns should focus on many things, none of which are Pryor. To me, arguing about Pryor now is just a waste of time and space. How about at least for a day or two we not respond about Pryor? Thanks.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
That’s anecdotal evidence, Mistic. The only core evidence we can go by is the won/loss record. Until Jackson puts up at least 8 wins in a single season as head coach, he’s yet to demonstrate he’s the reason for the Raiders 3 win improvement in 2010. I’d like to see him win 10, because a clear improvement over 2010 would be the only way to definitively prove it. But I’d be willing to give him two years to accomplish that. He gets win number 8 this year, I’ll be pretty well convinced he at least played a huge role in last year’s improvement, since he’s sustained the success. Until that 8th win, as far as I know, Tom Cable gets credit for the improvement. As John Madden says, you’re the champ until someone else is. The proof is in the game results. Nothing else.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
InOneWordRaider,
the injury that’ll hurt the most toward week 1 likely hasn’t happened yet.
such as it is in the NotForLong.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
the guys a worker with the arm strength but the best comparison is Tim Tebow and Tebow was a better college QB than Pryor. What makes you guys think this guy will be a good qb?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:12 am
M Lonetree Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
InOneWordRaider,
the injury that’ll hurt the most toward week 1 likely hasn’t happened yet.
such as it is in the NotForLong.
NT might be our biggest need of all
August 24th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Just heard some guy on the Herd show talk about college football, and really took some shots at T Pryor.
Said as opposed to Cam Newton, who the media was bashing but nobody at Auburn ever has anything bad to say about him, he said you would be hard-pressed to find anybody at Ohio State with anything good to say about Terrell Pryor.
Said he was a bad locker room guy from his freshman year onward, and teammates generally didn’t like him.
That won’t fly in the NFL. Hope he works with Al Saunders on the physical side of football mechanics, and listens to Hue about the mental side. Hue Jackson has said repeatedly that his number one attribute in a QB he prefers is their ability to lead men.
Of course the book is not closed on Pryor, he is like 22 years old. Just hope he makes the necessary attitude adjustment to fit Hue Jackson’s mold of a NFL QB.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Man, totally flaked on AIG last night.
Thought he was coming during the daytime, and didn’t call me until around 9pm, and it wasn’t happening.
I am a bad blog “friend” lol.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Captain Kirk was miscast as a middle line backer, he was terrific as a rookie playing on the outside. I am sure that signing him now would give us quality depth at both spots. Kirk at olb is better than groves & goethel.
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@Mistic, all the super-fans could not wait to get rid of Danny Clark and put Morrison at his “natural” position at MLB. Agree though, Morrison should be brought in and given a chance at WLB.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Just heard some guy on the Herd show talk about college football, and really took some shots at T Pryor.
Said as opposed to Cam Newton, who the media was bashing but nobody at Auburn ever has anything bad to say about him, he said you would be hard-pressed to find anybody at Ohio State with anything good to say about Terrell Pryor.
Said he was a bad locker room guy from his freshman year onward, and teammates generally didn’t like him.
That won’t fly in the NFL. Hope he works with Al Saunders on the physical side of football mechanics, and listens to Hue about the mental side. Hue Jackson has said repeatedly that his number one attribute in a QB he prefers is their ability to lead men.
Of course the book is not closed on Pryor, he is like 22 years old. Just hope he makes the necessary attitude adjustment to fit Hue Jackson’s mold of a NFL QB.
b good to ask chekwa
August 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Our main concern: Stopping the run.
• involves our LB group
• an effective NT
• our defensive strategy
• our current DC
I’m much less worried about our pass defense. I’m not sure how we fix it. Is Tommy Kelly the problem? Is RoMac the problem? How about our OLB’s? Or, is it a safety issue? It’s probably all of the above but What 1 or 2 things can we do now to take care of most of the problem?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
# alex7 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Pryor vs real D’s in 2009:
vs USC 11 for 25, 0 TDs, 1 INT
vs Wisconsin 5 for 13, 87 yards.
vs Iowa 14 completions for 93 yards. Yikes.
vs Michigan 9 for 17, 67 yards
Just warning you. He’s not an NFL QB. Not now, not magically in 3 years.
———You’re right that’s why the other teams passed!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
How about a big glass of Shut the k u c f UP!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_raiders_terrelle_pryor_quarterback082211
August 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
428. I disagree with the assertion that “theres no way to know” if Hue Jacks deserved credit for re-igniting the Raiders long dead scoring offense.
CLearly this game is about scoring points. Hue Jack did that and I’m taking credit.
I clearly stated it was ridiculous for them not to run the plays that made their players stars in college.
“Why don’t they look at college tape and find out what these guys ran and then let them run the plays they had success with?”
Simple and you’re welcome.
Cable was never supposed to be a HC. He was errtic and played out. His ZBS chewed up yds between the 20s and failed to get in the end zone. His play calling was generic and partly responsible for several losses.
Good riddance to his off field woman and employee beating exploits too.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
That’s anecdotal evidence, Mistic.
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No this a direct first hand account and testimony, witnessed and confirmed by a second party, who also goes on record with the exact same story.
As much as you may want to credit cable, it was in fact Hu jack that saved dmacs career, and bolstered our offensive out put. Dmacs break out season had a direct correlation to the success of the offense as a whole.
In fact the quote exposes and confirms what many already suspected. Cable was a such a lousy coach that he actually hindered the growth of his young players.
“I asked Darren, I said, ‘What is it that you like to run? You were a Heisman Trophy finalist. What was it that put you in that group of people?’ ” Jackson said. “And he said, ‘Coach, I’m used to running a certain type of run.’ And I go, ‘Well, why don’t we run them here?’ He said, ‘It’s not our style.’ And I go, ‘Well, what do you like to run?’ -_hu jack
sorry perry mason but you cant make a case for cable on this one.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:21 am
How about pulling Kelly in favor of Bryant. Let Kelly backfill Seymour. JHenderson can then backfill Bryant. Will that make a difference?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Said he was a bad locker room guy from his freshman year onward, and teammates generally didn’t like him.
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Chim Chekwa seems to like him.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Pryor was clearly agitated by Gruden on Gruden’s show. A couple of points he looked like he wanted to yell at Gruden. And that was nice Chucky, on t.v., nothing on the line. I could imagine him playing for Gruden. Gruden is known for being a hard ass on his QBs. So maybe Pryor’s agitation was justified. But it shows that he doesn’t handle criticism well. And being a rookie QB in the NFL with some baggage, criticism is about all that will be on the menu.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am
# priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
I hope he see’s the field this year because as soon as they wildcat him he’ll get pigeon holed and the same garbage starts all over. Coach him the same way you would J.RUSSELL or any other star QB and you’ll get everything out of him. Let DHB run the wildcat no one does it better.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
439. Morrison’s all kind of ****ty. Dude led the team in tackles but we were cellar dwelling in the stats column every year because his tackles were 5-8 yds down field. His reads and audibles sucked azz too.
One of those politician guys who speaks for 20 minutes and says absolutely nothing.
A kiss a-zz who’ll rah rah “Well keep working on getting better to improve and be the best we can be” BS while they continue to suck.
No on Morrison. Got sick of watching him whiff game after game after game…
August 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
JB Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Our main concern: Stopping the run.
• involves our LB group
• an effective NT
• our defensive strategy
• our current DC
I’m much less worried about our pass defense. I’m not sure how we fix it. Is Tommy Kelly the problem? Is RoMac the problem? How about our OLB’s? Or, is it a safety issue? It’s probably all of the above but What 1 or 2 things can we do now to take care of most of the problem?
who on our DL that’s healthy actually is considered a good run stopper at his position? Is Lamaar Houston our only run stopper on the DL? Seymour was good as a DE but is he a run stopper on the inside?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
So Aubrayo Franklin doessnt play this week outt with MCL sprain……awesome perhaps for our run game
August 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
It’s still anecdotal, Mistic.
Wins is the only way Hue can prove he’s better than Cable. Hue’s got 8 to go..at least. I’d like to see him win more than 8 if he’s truly better than Cable. But I’d take 8. At win 8, I’ll be convinced Hue was at least heavily involved with last year’s improvement. Wake me up when we hit win win number 8, Mistic. You’re wasting your breath until then.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Still suprised few (or really nobody) has commented on Bush’s comments during the game on Saturday.
Papa asked him about the new downhill, power-blocking scheme this year.
Bush’s response?? “Ummm….No it is pretty much the same as years past.”
August 24th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Hendu has always been a run stopper in the middle….they holding him out until week 1 i think
August 24th, 2011 at 10:25 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:45 am
I hope pryor takes a page from the Ja.Russell book. Come in put your head down and go to work. By all accounts doesn’t works on passing in his spare time with team mates and company, and frequently goes home without practicing.
Pryor can just come in and learn the game and the system, and doesnt need to practice this year.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
448. Gruden is **** with new QBs. He needs vet QBs who can manage and run an offense for him.
Over rated.
Pryor? He’s nowhere close to being and NFL ready QB. I agree with the 3 yr assessment some one mentioned earlier.
Pryor does have a screw loose if he thinks Oakland is the place to develop him as a QB.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Vegas….i already commented on it….u can see plain as day no zbs is being used
August 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Pryor is whatever but he wants to pplay….so ill give him a shot eventho i hate his delivery
August 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Nnamdi, this game is not necessarily about scoring points. It’s about winning. If a team scores 3 points, and the other team scores zero, it’s a win. If a team scores 3 points every single game, and all of their opponents score zero, they’re 16-0, Nnamdi, even with a ppg of 3. It’s about winning. The only way Hue Jackson can prove he’s better than Cable is if he wins as many games as Cable won in his final year here. Are you really saying that’s not a fair measuring stick? If Hue Jackson puts up 6 wins this year, you’re still going to say he’s better than Cable, even though Cable finished with 8? At what point would it be about wins and losses with you? Because wins and losses are the ultimate indicator of success in this game. Do you not understand that?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
450.Nnamdi21 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
439. Morrison’s all kind of ****ty. Dude led the team in tackles but we were cellar dwelling in the stats column every year because his tackles were 5-8 yds down field. His reads and audibles sucked azz too.
One of those politician guys who speaks for 20 minutes and says absolutely nothing.
A kiss a-zz who’ll rah rah “Well keep working on getting better to improve and be the best we can be” BS while they continue to suck.
No on Morrison. Got sick of watching him whiff game after game after game…
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With that said, he’s still better than Groves.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Tom Cable was the head coach as our team improved by 3 wins last year. There’s no way around that. There is no possible way to determine if Hue Jackson deserves any credit for that improvement until Hue Jackson puts up at least as many wins this year, and he won’t put up more, he’s truly not better than Cable. So until Jackson sees his 9th or 10th victory in a single season, whether or not he’s better than Cable is still undetermined. As far as anyone knows, Tom Cable is the one who brought the improvement, because he was the head coach as we improved. The onus is on Hue Jackson to prove otherwise, and that’s yet to happen.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Really, no ZBS?
So on that Reece failed run at the goalline I didn’t see a bunch of lineman diving at legs at the snap?
Because funny, it sure looked that way on TV!!!
Carlisle and Satele back, ZBS specialists, geared to start?
Hue Jackson saying they will run a hybrid-style.
Mike Bush saying there is zero difference in run-blocking this season from years past?
What am I missing?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
You didn’t miss anything, Vegas. You caught Hue Jackson in a dead lie by merely paying attention.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:31 am
The days of waiting 3 years to develop a QB are over.
Pryor will be on a 4 year contract, and some first rounders will be on 3 year contract, with a team option on year 4 (with a super-high salary figure).
Guys have to be starting by year 2, improving by year 3, or they will be gone and in the rearview mirror by year 4.
Just the economics of NFL football these days.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am
trade next year’s second, third and fourth round picks to Belicheat to get Ricky Brown back.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Hu Jack turns D-Mac into a Has been!!!!!
Its awfully true how some of these people in here give credit Cable with turning him around. Cable is the reason that d-mac had a break out year.Cable is the reason for our offensive improvement.
HUE gets credit for being a barney rubble stunt double, and that is it.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am
It seems to me that Seymour is the QB press guy (pocket co lapser) while Kelly is the stay at home (stop the run up the middle guy) at least initially. Unfortunately that’s not what we are seeing on the field. Both Kelly & Seymour are playing the get the QB guy., Kelly always seems to overrun the play and then they run behind him. RoMac should then be able to fill that hole but he’s not getting that done. RoMac so far is not all that good at getting off blocks and he’s late in getting to the hole up the middle. RoMac needs to start beating up the blockers and casting the aside more quickly and then stuff the runner ala Ray Lewis style. The same things seem to be happening on the edges. The LB’s are later and not busting up the blockers to free up the safety penetration. Is this a strategy failure on our part? Do we need a different stlye of defense? Is this a DC failure?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Hu Jack turns D-Mac into a Has been!!!!!
Its awfully true how some of these people in here give credit to Cable with turning him around. Cable is the reason that d-mac had a break out year.Cable is the reason for our offensive improvement.
HUE gets credit for being a barney rubble stunt double, and that is it.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
460. Tell that to Davis.
“The object of this game is to score points.”
THATS how you win. By scoring more than your opponent. Not even the 86 Bears or the 2000 Ravens held their opponents to 3 or less points in the majority of their games.
According to your theorum we should just build the best defense and pray our O can get J.Kow in range a few times a game.
It does come down to wins and losses yes, but how you get there is by putting point on the board. THATS why we’ve sat in the cellar for the last 7 years. THATS why we finally broke even last year. POINTS on the board = Ws in the win column.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
It’s still anecdotal, Mistic.
Wins is the only way Hue can prove he’s better than Cable. Hue’s got 8 to go..at least. I’d like to see him win more than 8 if he’s truly better than Cable. But I’d take 8. At win 8, I’ll be convinced Hue was at least heavily involved with last year’s improvement. Wake me up when we hit win win number 8, Mistic. You’re wasting your breath until then.
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You are trying to change the premise of my argument. My stated oposition is that HU jack was resposnsible for turning around dmacs career. Hu jack is respeonsible for the vastly improved offense that we saw last year. The story above illustrates the techniques Hu jack used in order to remedy dmacs struggles, and cure our offense.
By the way I see contiued improvement coming this year on offense.
JC looks terrific, and looks poised to have a very big year, possibly the best of his career.
The wr group has improved by leaps and bounds. The reports were that ford was looking very good before he was injured, and moore has put on a clinic so far in preseason. Dont look now but DHB is threatening to become relevant, and may be hitting his stride. not only has DHb fought off an injury, and continued his trend of the last two years of performing well in practice, he is now doing it in games!!!
The oline will get a make over. Now that Hu jack drafted a couple of kids, and has given b campbell a fair shot ( another player that cable hindered) we are suddenly deeper and better on the o line then we have been in years.
Nope gradkowski raider, Hu jacks finger prints are all over this one, and cable has nothing to do with it.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Raiders defense looks the same as it ever was. They play with intensity, but just seem to be an inch away from the play. Then they get overwhelmed and quit.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
As much as I hate to say it, Michigan in 2009 was NOT a real defense. Actually, RichRod put together one of the worst defenses in the NCAA.
And Pryor still stank, although OSU did not need to pass…
But Mattison is in the BIG HOUSE now!
August 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
469. Ridiculous. DMAC made that O line look good. He’d make one man miss and break out. That one man was usually unblocked by our crap O line. An O line thats only gotten worse this year.
Wizzer looks like a bust at Center so far anyway. Dissapointing.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
You didn’t miss anything, Vegas. You caught Hue Jackson in a dead lie by merely paying attention.And that’s what Hue Jack is!!! A pretender and a LIAR preseason and off season moves and players bolting prove that!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 10:37 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Raiders defense looks as bad it ever was. They play with no intensity, but just seem to be an inch away from the play. Then they get overwhelmed and quit.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Mistic, wrong! I’m not attempting to change the premise of your argument. I’ll do you one better. I am flat out rejecting your argument! I don’t even recognize it, because it does nothing to refute my point that Hue Jackson is yet to prove he’s better than Cable until he gets his 8th win. Until Hue gets win number 8, Cable deserves the credit for the success in 2010. He was the head coach, not Hue Jackson. Now Hue Jackson is the head coach. And, Hue will be judged based on his record, just as Cable is. If Hue puts up a better record, he’s better. He doesn’t, he’s not. It’s that simple. Let me know when Hue gets win number 8.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Hue Jackson is not stupid. Of course he and Al want to go towards the old-school, power-blocking, building a bully scheme.
But an ONLY power-blocking scheme with Reece at FB, Satele at C, and Carlisle at RG?
Please. It is obvious what has happened. Both Campbell and Wiz weren’t ready to be starters in Hue’s eyes, hence the tail between the legs Satele is the starter talk, and the once talk of cutting Carlisle for cap-space, to him being a sure-fire starter to at least start the year.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Mistic1,
Is Mr. Spectacular Cam Newton going to convert a 3rd down this week?
So far he is 0 for 9 converting 3rd downs. QB rating in the Gradkowski against Miami range.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Nnamdi, Al Davis says the object of this game is to score points? What’s Al Davis’s record in recent years? The object of the game is to win. If Al Davis didn’t know that, well then it explains a lot, doesn’t it? lol. It’s more than scoring points. It’s playing good defense as well. It’s overall team intensity, discipline, and resolve. Was it all about scoring points in 1997, Nnamdi? I know you were probably 10 years old at the time, but those of us who were adults can recall that the Raiders had one of the most explosive offenses in the league. They ended the season 4-12.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
MR was supposed to leave this blog if the team got more than 5 wins last year…
Guess he was lying, just like that story about the Kings cheerleader.
But if you do man up and leave, MR, I’ll give Cable the credit.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Just Score Points, Baby!
I’ve never seen that banner, Nnamdi. lmao
August 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Hu Jack turns D-Mac into a Has been!!!!!
Its awfully true how some of these people in here give credit Cable with turning him around. Cable is the reason that d-mac had a break out year.Cable is the reason for our offensive improvement.
HUE gets credit for being a barney rubble stunt double, and that is it so get over it!!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 10:42 am
A guy who’s attracted to 12 year old girls is telling me to “man up”. I’ve seen it all in here.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Really, no ZBS?
So on that Reece failed run at the goalline I didn’t see a bunch of lineman diving at legs at the snap?
Because funny, it sure looked that way on TV!!!
Carlisle and Satele back, ZBS specialists, geared to start?
Hue Jackson saying they will run a hybrid-style.
Mike Bush saying there is zero difference in run-blocking this season from years past?
What am I missing?
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Diving at the legs in goal line is a common technique and is not an exclusive zbs strategey. get the defenders on the ground so your backs can run or dive over the top.
Carlisle and satele are the incumbants and the youngsters must prove they can beat them. This doesnt mean that were running a zbs. It is only a prudent move in sight of the fact that these guys have years of starting experience, and are possibly more game ready at this stage.
yes hu jack will use some zone, especially since carlisle and satele are too light in the loafers to power block. once those two guys are out you will see much more power.
JFB this comes right from the horses mouth, if you like conspiracy theories so be it. D mac is crediting hu jack for turning our running game and his career around. ill ride with dmac on this one.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Mistic, fair enough. I’ll give Hue credit for turning the running game around, based on DMac’s comments. But I can’t give Hue Jackson credit for the 3 win improvement until he puts up as many wins as Tom Cable did, in Cable’s last season here. There are more elements to winning than just the running game.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am
I didn’t say we running a ZBS only system. We mix between the two currently, like over half the league.
Just don’t buy this theory that we are some power-only blocking sheme. Hue Jackson says were are not, and Mike Bush says the run-blocking scheme hasn’t changed in years.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Mistic1,
Is Mr. Spectacular Cam Newton going to convert a 3rd down this week?
So far he is 0 for 9 converting 3rd downs. QB rating in the Gradkowski against Miami range.
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Cam looks fantastic. He got his first start and is proving that he can play qb in the nfl. Considering the fact that he has only seen an nfl field twice in his life and he has already taken over the starters role speaks volumes. he also plays for one of the worst offenses in football, and steve smith has been injured. cam will be fine.
he is making the right reads, and isnt turning the ball over. cam is ahead of the curve.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Cam Newton is in the worst situation of all worlds just like most rookie QB’s this year. No offseason no minicamps no OTA’s and a shortened camp. To try make something out of what you see from these kids now this early is folly. I’d wait until this time next year. It’s the only way to draw any fair conclusion. Especially at QB I mean all of them that were drafted this year and the same is true with the coaches. This year is damn near a throw away year for those coaches and players.
Hu Jackson will be judged on his record but I can see now that our record early may not be as good as the talent we have dictates and it’s just due to the situation. We can try to ignore it all we want but it’s real, this will have a profound affect on a lot of things you see this year.
Back in the day when they didn’t have these offseason programs the training camp was over 2 months long and they played 6 preseason games this year a little over 5 weeks and 4 games it’s bound to have some affect whether we want to admit it or not.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:51 am
ill ride with dmac on this one.
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Be careful, his Impala tends to blow tires on the white lines…
August 24th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Good article about our run defense by Vittorio Tafur.
– It might look easy to do, but giving up 239 yards rushing in a preseason game is not accomplished lightly. That’s what the Raiders did against the 49ers on Saturday, and after three weeks of training camp, you have do a lot of things wrong to give up 5.8 yards a carry.
“It’s a lot of stuff,” outside linebacker Quentin Groves said. “Some guys in the wrong place, some guys miss a tackle, the second-team guys were way too anxious because they want to make a play and make the team. You have to be sure you’re where you’re supposed to be.”
Oakland head coach Hue Jackson has turned the past two days of practice into primarily running practices, including a full-pads, tackling one Tuesday. As he told the players after practice, “Get in your gap, beat the man in front of you and make the play.”
“The 49ers did a good job,” defensive tackle Richard Seymour said. “Give them credit first. I just think we were inconsistent across the board. Ten guys can play right and one guy wrong, and you’re in trouble. We all have to get on the same page and that’s what the preseason is for. We still have a lot of work to do.”
The Raiders had 47 sacks last year, tied for second in the league, but were wildly inconsistent against the run. Oakland, despite the addition of first-round pick Rolando McClain at middle linebacker, wound up 29th in the NFL in rush defense, giving up 133.6 yards per game.
“That’s something that is dear to me,” Seymour said. “If you can’t stop the run, you aren’t going to be successful in this league. If you want to be tough and you want to build a bully, well first and foremost, you gotta stop the run. We didn’t get that done. But, you know, I am optimistic.”
Seymour said there needs to be a stop-the-run mentality across the board on the Raiders, and it’s not there yet.
“It has to be important to the team,” he said. “There has to be a mind-set. If you want to rush the passer in this league, you have to be able to stop the run first. You stop the run in order to rush the passer. Because if a team can run the ball all day, there is no need to pass it.”
Individually, Oakland seems to have the necessary pieces: two imposing tackles in Seymour and Tommy Kelly, two aggressive, athletic ends in Matt Shaughnessy and Lamarr Houston, a big, mean middle linebacker in McClain, fast outside linebackers in Groves and Kamerion Wimbley and a hard-hitting strong safety in Tyvon Branch.
So, what’s the problem?
Groves said one thing holding back the Raiders this year is the new terminology in first-year coordinator Chuck Bresnahan’s defense. “Things happen on the field so fast, and you hear something and you may stop for a second to make sure you know what that means,” Groves said. “But we’re getting there.”
Jackson does think the defense has looked better in practice than games.
“Well, I don’t think anybody is locked in right now,” Kelly said. “It’s the preseason. That’s what the preseason is for. Coach is going to keep his foot on our necks. All you can do is go back to work and try to get a little bit better.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/23/SPOQ1KQQO3.DTL
August 24th, 2011 at 10:51 am
I agree with Mistic… cut blocking is not exclusive to ZBS schemes.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:51 am
once those two guys are out you will see much more power.
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Maybe, or we might just see bigger guys fail at run-blocking as well.
More power doesn’t mean more success.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Mistic, fair enough. I’ll give Hue credit for turning the running game around, based on DMac’s comments. But I can’t give Hue Jackson credit for the 3 win improvement ==============================
Who asked you to?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:52 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am
I didn’t say we running a ZBS only system. We mix between the two currently, like over half the league.
Just don’t buy this theory that we are some power-only blocking sheme. Hue Jackson says were are not, and Mike Bush says the run-blocking scheme hasn’t changed in years.
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who said we were?
August 24th, 2011 at 10:54 am
JB, I read that article this morning too. Same ole excuses. Interesting Seymour comments, suggesting the Organization is not committed to run defense. Sounds like he was talking about Al Davis.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Wins needed this season for Hue Jackson to prove he’s at least as good as Cable: 8.
Current number of wins: 0 (no games played yet).
We’ll be in touch, Mistic.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Using MR’s logic, Al Davis gets ALL the credit for adding 3 more wins last year. Not Cable. Not Hue. Not DMAC. Not Condo. Not even Southwick.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Using Priest’s analysis (which is accurate) Denver might be at the biggest disadvantage in the league than.
Whole new coaching staff, whole new defensive system.
Hue has the same offensive and defensive system, and is not learning his players having been here a year.
There really is no excuse why Harbaugh’s team looked more prepared and crisp (Soup’s two first-half TO’s were mind-numbing) than ours did last week, being that Harbaugh ACTUALLY is learning his players.
I respect Hue for owning up to this at the presser and taking a lot of blame.
August 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Cable also gets none of the blame for the 8 losses last year… or the 27 losses overall in his tenure.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am
There is no logic that can explain the egg we laid on saturday…
August 24th, 2011 at 11:01 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Wins needed this season for Hue Jackson to prove he’s at least as good as Cable: 8.
Current number of wins: 0 (no games played yet).
We’ll be in touch, Mistic.
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No, you’ll be touching yourself. I dont subcribe to your method for evaluating hu jack based on reaching a magic number of 8 wins.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:03 am
“Second-year guard Bruce Campbell had a mighty impressive showing at practice, working mostly with the second team at right guard.
On several occasions, Campbell manhandled a defender and cleared a huge hole for the running back.”
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If that were the standard every guard who plays against our run D would be considered great.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Tom Cable was probably in over-his-head as an NFL HC.
But that’s not what he was originally brought here for. He was here to fix the grease-fire that was the Art Shell O-line, and being that O-line was a stregth of our team last year (and improved every year under Cable with any statistical measure) means he did the job he was asked to do.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Denver and SF are under huge disadvantages, just think what Harbaugh is being asked to put together a team in 45 days from damn near scratch.
Hell Hue jackson hasn’t even decided on his Oline yet and we play a league game in 18 days. It’s insanity what the owners did to their coaches and then they’re going to ask them to win……..LOL
Man it’s a H.A.M. (hot ass mess) it has to have an decided affect for some teams. While teams like teh Steelers, GB, Indy and those have distinct advantages at least until late in the year. Their records will be bloated of teams assembling on the fly.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am
“I asked Darren, I said, ‘What is it that you like to run? You were a Heisman Trophy finalist. What was it that put you in that group of people?’ ” Jackson said. “And he said, ‘Coach, I’m used to running a certain type of run.’ And I go, ‘Well, why don’t we run them here?’ He said, ‘It’s not our style.’ And I go, ‘Well, what do you like to run?’
“And he rattled off about three or four runs that he really enjoys, and I said, ‘OK, they’re in.’ And he looked at me and said, ‘No way.’ He said, ‘Oh, no, they’re not.’ I go, ‘Yes, they are.’ And that’s what we did. And 1,157 yards later, that’s who Darren McFadden is.”
McFadden recalled the exchange and said he is grateful.
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Tom Cable was too busy game planning plays for his booty-buddy Justin Fargas to worried about what might help McFadden.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Using Priest’s analysis (which is accurate) Denver might be at the biggest disadvantage in the league than.
Whole new coaching staff, whole new defensive system.
Hue has the same offensive and defensive system, and is not learning his players having been here a year.
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The Raiders are running a different defense than last year.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
3rd offensive play of the game, and your team needs a timeout (with 13 seconds on the play clock still).
Pitifully unprepared.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The Raiders are running a different defense than last year.
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LMAO!!!
What one that blitzes less?
August 24th, 2011 at 11:08 am
# rob_raider Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 pm
i’d like to see what randy moss would look like at lb
********You fool Randy Moss is a WR!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Tom cable sucked at the job he was asked to do which ultimately got him fired. The Oline restructuring has been inherited to Hue jackson the one thing that Cable should’ve left behind is a solid Oline and it’s anything but that……………period
August 24th, 2011 at 11:09 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Wins needed this season for Hue Jackson to prove he’s at least as good as Cable: 8.
Current number of wins: 0 (no games played yet).
We’ll be in touch, Mistic.
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No, you’ll be touching yourself. I dont subcribe to your method for evaluating hu jack based on reaching a magic number of 8 wins.
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Belichick a good coach? Is he as good as cable? He was the Browns head coach for 5 years and only managed to get more than 8 wins once (6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 11-5 and 5-11). Belichick’s first year at NE he was 5-11. ‘
So I guess that Cable was a better head coach last year than Belichick was his first six years of coaching. Using RMR logic…
August 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Tom Cable was probably in over-his-head as an NFL HC.
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I wouldn’t agree with that. Cable walked into a horrible situation. He got the ship righted, and his trajectory was really really good all things considered. Cable did win three of his last five, all beat downs to division opponenets, one of the losses coming against Indianapolis. If Cable went 8-8 in consecutive seasons, I would think that he maxed out. But that didn’t happen and I guess we will never know.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am
The O-line is a hell of a lot better than what it was before Cable got here.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:12 am
# Bo Schembechler Janet Good Times Jackson Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Using #rob_raider logic, Al Davis gets ALL the credit for adding 3 more wins last year. Not Cable. Not Hue. Not DMAC. Not Condo. Not even Southwick.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am
So would you rather have Denver or the Raiders D-Line? Ty Warren out 3-4 months?
August 24th, 2011 at 11:15 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Tom Cable was probably the best the Raiders will ever have as an NFL HC.
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I would agree with that. Cable walked into a horrible situation. He got the ship righted, and his trajectory was really really good all things considered. Cable did win three of his last five, all beat downs to division opponenets, one of the losses coming against Indianapolis. If Cable went 12-4 in consecutive seasons, I would think that he maxed out. But that didn’t happen and I guess we will never know.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Tom cable sucked at the job he was asked to do which ultimately got him fired. The Oline restructuring has been inherited to Hue jackson the one thing that Cable should’ve left behind is a solid Oline and it’s anything but that……………period
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How about Al Davis, does he suck at his job? 6 playoff appearances in 23 years?
August 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
The Raiders are running a different defense than last year.
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LMAO!!!
What one that blitzes less?
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I have said this in here a hundred times. All a blitz is is a gambling defense. If you blitz you BETTER get to the Q otherwise you are going to get torched. And if you are going against a really good Q, they love the blitz because it is easy to torch.
In the last game we blitzed a few times early. The Whiners did a very good job of picking it up and we got torched. Badly. Not that I am against a blitzing defense, I’m just saying.
I’ve talked about this a hundred times on this blog. Blitzing is nothing more than a gambling defense. If you blitz, you BETTER get to the Q otherwise you are going to get torched. In the last preseason game against the Whiners we blitzed a few times early, they did a very good job of picking it up, and we got torched. I’m not saying we shouldn’t blitz, but you have to know how to, or run very very very sophisti
August 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Tom Cable was probably in over-his-head as an NFL HC.
But that’s not what he was originally brought here for. He was here to fix the grease-fire that was the Art Shell O-line, and being that O-line was a stregth of our team last year (and improved every year under Cable with any statistical measure) means he did the job he was asked to do.
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I have to disagree with this, the o-line was never “fixed”.
We fielded one of the worst pass protection units during cables entire tenure from line coach to head coach. Run blocking between the 20’s was decent in most games, horrible in others. Damc and bush went a long way in masking the mess that was our oline. Im afraid the running backs were one of the strengths of our team, and the oline was one of our biggest weaknesses.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Hue Jackson has been here 2 years and we’ve had 2 great drafts for Olineman. The system is changing and the players are young and talented instead of ignoring them in the draft for caste offs from whereever. Cable preferred guys like Carlisle, Green, Harris and players who had vet experience in his system rather than draft young talented Olineman and groom them he cut a lot of very good players and kept garbage. Now we have to get rid of the garbage for young talented players who can be groomed into dominant power blockers which marked this org. for many decades.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
# priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Tom cable was great at the job he was asked to do which ultimately got him fired. The Oline restructuring has been inherited to Hue jackson the one thing that Cable should’ve left behind is a solid Oline and HUE has screwed that up ……………period
August 24th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Tom cable sucked at the job he was asked to do which ultimately got him fired. The Oline restructuring has been inherited to Hue jackson the one thing that Cable should’ve left behind is a solid Oline and it’s anything but that……………period
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He did leave a good O-line until Al Davis decided to change scheme and personnel.
An Al Davis sycophant’s opinion is useless.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:19 am
KK just got back from a broker meeting with his wife.
Broker and broker and broker…
August 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Dvrick=got laid off from job at the local car wash. Now spends days on internet wasting life. Sucks to be that guy.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
3rd offensive play of the game, and your team needs a timeout (with 13 seconds on the play clock still).
Pitifully unprepared.
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Weak speculation. Any number of things can case this, ranging form communication between coaches in the booth or the sideline to getting the play to the qb. It happens to all teams every now and a again.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am
I think Indy is a BEST a 11-5 team without Peyton,now that they signed K.COLLINS maybe even better.Why didn’t we sign him?
August 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Any number of things can case this
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Yes, including being unprepared.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
#rob_raider=got laid off from job at the local car wash. Now spends days on internet wasting life. Sucks to be that guy.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
And I=got laid off from job at the local car wash. Now spends days on internet wasting life. Sucks to be that guy.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am
The O-line is a hell of a lot better than what it was before Cable got here.
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Its a hell of a lot better now that cable is gone
August 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
501.bcz24 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am
There is no logic that can explain the egg we laid on saturday…
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Sure there is.
More of the same ole story, imo.
Shotty 3rd down defense, and questionable QB decisions.
Unfortunately, I think it’s the lack of football IQ of Groves and Branch for their respective positions. They simply get beat on the same type of plays over and over again.
The PA fake that teams run against us usually work. Just like this past weekend, Groves and Branch bite on the run action, and there are guys open right behind their zone.
You can count on that play and an audible to the run when we are in the big nickle working against us more often than not.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:25 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Any number of things can case this
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Yes, including being unprepared.
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What kind of evidence do you have that supports your claim of lack of preparation?
From what i see there could be a lack of execution, but everyone looks like they are organized and on the same page.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:25 am
# KoolKell Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Tom cable sucked at the job he was asked to do which ultimately got him fired. The Oline restructuring has been inherited to Hue jackson the one thing that Cable should’ve left behind is a solid Oline and it’s anything but that……………period
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He did leave a good O-line until Al Davis decided to change scheme and personnel.
An Al Davis sycophant’s opinion is useless.
—– You are right!Show’s how littlePriesttj knows about football!!LMAO
August 24th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Your use of the word “unprepared’ is your attempte at taking shots at HU Jack & JC.
pretty weak
August 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Tom Cable was probably the best the Raiders will ever have as an NFL HC.
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I absolutely agree with that. Cable walked into a horrible situation. He got the ship righted, and his trajectory was really really good all things considered. Cable did win three of his last five, all beat downs to division opponenets, one of the losses coming against Indianapolis. If Cable went 12-4 in consecutive seasons, I would think that he maxed out. But that didn’t happen and I guess we will never know.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:29 am
and being that O-line was a stregth of our team last year (and improved every year under Cable with any statistical measure) means he did the job he was asked to do.
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Oline was not a strength. You keep discounting pass protection in your conclusion. And we could never just line up a get 2 yds when we needed to.
Personally thought that C, RG, and RT employed arguably the 3 worst starters of the 22.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am
He did leave a good O-line until Al Davis decided to change scheme and personnel
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I’d like to see if anyone agrees with this statement.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:31 am
thank you Jhill……lol
August 24th, 2011 at 11:33 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Tom Cable was probably in over-his-head as an NFL HC.
But that’s not what he was originally brought here for. He was here to fix the grease-fire that was the Art Shell O-line, and being that O-line was a stregth of our team last year (and improved every year under Cable with any statistical measure) means he did the job he was asked to do.
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I have to agree with this, the o-line was “fixed”.
We fielded one of the best pass protection units during cables entire tenure from line coach to head coach. Run blocking between the 20’s was good in most games. Damc and bush complemented our oline. Im afraid the running backs were one of the strengths of our team, and the oline was one of our biggest strengths.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:36 am
LA to TheBay Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:19 pm
45, good post. I see more patience out of ol Al lately. I guess you could make an argument against with Cable, but Tim was never really a Davis guy. Hue was from the beginning and he produced.
I do have to disagree about Gannon amd elevate him amongst the great 3 or 4 Raider QBs. Rich was the man. Shows what the right player/coordinator-coach combo can do when they’re really tuned in.
I’ll talk up Gannon all day in here. Haters can hate, his record, stats, and leadership ability speaks fpr itself. One bad game and at the most unfortunate, regrettable, awful time against the most perfect of perfect storms.
Gannon = Raider. Shame on Al for turning his back on Gannon and the contribution to the Raider Legacy. All because he was Gruden’s guy and not his own.
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Damn straight. Rich was the man. Never took any schit on the field. Was in complete control. When’s the last time you could say that about anybody on this team? Even if JC comes around–and I hope he does–he’ll never be mistaken for the prototypical “field general.”
August 24th, 2011 at 11:36 am
There is a very good chance that we will have 4 new starters on the Oline on opening night. We will certainly have a new LG and RT. Wiz and Bruce Campbell will start at some point early in the year.
How can you claim that position to be s strength when 4 outta 5 guys have essentially been replaced?
August 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am
dvrick=psychotic loser with no friends.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am
personally I could not care less about what happened when Lance or Barney Rubble were here. Crap happens in life and then you either move on or you let the crap and its scars swallow you.
I’d rather know if Chimdi Chekwa can cover a double move than check to see if dead horses can be beaten down to the molecular level.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Jhill at least that’s KK’s argument it’s not the Oline it’s Al Davis as usual. Mr D should be down there cut blocking……..right KK?
You are worse than an old man in a retirement home reciting his last memories over and over again.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
M point and yes Chekwa can cover a double, but it depends on who’s running it and how well he sells the out.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Trade DMAC for dead horse molecules!
August 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Mr D should be down there cut blocking
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I admit, I have these occasional strange glimpses of Al running a go route, catching the ball and stiff-arming some hapless defender into the turf and high stepping into the endzone.
It’s funny because he’s so old… you know?
August 24th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Bo Schembechler Janet Good Times Jackson Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Trade DMAC for dead horse molecules!
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LMAO!
Trade Condo for the return of Bo’s Jheri Curl!
August 24th, 2011 at 11:47 am
I admit, I have these occasional strange glimpses of Al running a go route, catching the ball and stiff-arming some hapless defender into the turf and high stepping into the endzone.
It’s funny because he’s so old… you know
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With or Withour the walker?
August 24th, 2011 at 11:48 am
I hope Chekwa can play FS so we can keep moving Huff all over the field.
I hope Branch can be a decent press corner so we don’t have to rush DVD.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:51 am
They want to identify the things players do well, highlight them and turn them loose that way.
“I don’t try to ask a player to something that he can’t do because, what good does that do as a coach?” Jackson said. “What good does that do for the player? It’s truly about the player. Find out what they can do and let them do that.”
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How about finding someone who can TACKLE THE GUY WITH THE DAMN BALL!!!……
August 24th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Dutch,
without.
In my glimpse (premonition, halucination, daydream?), he’s in one of his jumpsuits, no helmet or anything.
He just literally runs on to the field mid-play, old as sh;t, but running with 4.10 speed and manhandling people, juking and whatnot.
I have a strange sense of humor, particularly with old folks. I tell my girl that I always thought Jessica Fletcher (her show, not mine – lol) should be revealed to be a dominatrix or a hooker or something in the final episode.
The list goes on and on.
August 24th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Have the Raiders signed LOFA or Kirk yet to man that WLB spot??
They better get to it!!
August 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Hill Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:29 am
and being that O-line was a stregth of our team last year (and improved every year under Cable with any statistical measure) means he did the job he was asked to do.
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Oline was not a strength. You keep discounting pass protection in your conclusion. And we could never just line up a get 2 yds when we needed to.
Personally thought that C, RG, and RT employed arguably the 3 worst starters of the 22.
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The O-Line was improving quite nicely last year actually. The only main problem on the line was the RT last year.
Pass protection kept improving and the run blocking was becoming down right dominating toward the end.
How do you think Huey was able to score so many points last year and improve the offense as a whole?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Stephon Heyer needs to start at LG or RT for this team!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the Raiders trying to trade for Aaron Curry. Not sure if they have the ammunition, though. The guy isn’t much of a pass-rusher, but in Oakland he wouldn’t have to be. He’s very solid at the LOS, which is something the Raiders need desperately. He can also cover relatively well.
Maybe package Trevor Scott and future picks? 2013 2nd or 3rd rounder?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
They are looking to dump him. Scott for Curry straight up. Cable loves his guys from our roster.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Personally? I’m starting to care a lot less about fielding four new starters on the offensive line, inexperienced or not. Tired of seeing Satele standing around waiting for someone to block. Tired of seeing 3rd-and-1 situations where the Raiders’ offensive line gets no push.
Wisniewski looked more active in pass protection than Satele ever has. Dude was moving around, looking for someone to block. Haven’t seen Satele do that in his entire time here. Barnes’ play has been disappointing at RT. Carlisle is a smart veteran player, but I’m not convinced that’s enough to get it done.
I want to see:
Veldheer – Heyer – Wisniewski – Carlisle/Campbell – Barksdale
August 24th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
YA is that true that they are trying to get Curry? That would be nice!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel reports that Dimitri Nance, whom the Packers picked up to replace Grant last season, may push Grant out of a job as the final running back on the Packers’ 53-man roster.
According to Silverstein, running backs James Starks, Alex Green and John Kuhn are locks to survive the final cuts on September 3, but Grant is not.
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Trade Bush for a 2nd rounder and get Ryan Grant, Clinton Portis or LenDale White in free agency …
August 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Sorry, just seen Bcz24’s post…
August 24th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
hwnrdr Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
YA is that true that they are trying to get Curry? That would be nice!
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Probably not, but one of the beat writers threw it out as an option. I hope they are, because none of the options on the FA market immediately make the Raiders a better team.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/24/boomer-esiason-tim-tebow-cant-play-cant-throw/
trade Kyle Boller & Nick Miller for Tim Tebow!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
I can picture Tebow trying to witness to fans in the Black Hole…
August 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Trade Bush for a 2nd rounder
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2 year late, but welcome to the party!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
559.YoungAmerican Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Personally? I’m starting to care a lot less about fielding four new starters on the offensive line, inexperienced or not. Tired of seeing Satele standing around waiting for someone to block. Tired of seeing 3rd-and-1 situations where the Raiders’ offensive line gets no push.
Wisniewski looked more active in pass protection than Satele ever has. Dude was moving around, looking for someone to block. Haven’t seen Satele do that in his entire time here. Barnes’ play has been disappointing at RT. Carlisle is a smart veteran player, but I’m not convinced that’s enough to get it done.
I want to see:
Veldheer – Heyer – Wisniewski – Carlisle/Campbell – Barksdale
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Wiz isn’t ready to take full time duties away from Satele just yet IMO.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
trade Kyle Boller & Nick Miller for Tim Tebow!
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We already have Reece at FB.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
WR Derrick Hagan needs to also make this team!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Jhill,
next season …
QB1 Pryor
QB2 Tebow
QB3 who cares?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
WR Derrick Hagan needs to also make this team!
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Derek Hagan over Nick Miller 24/7
Cut white webster!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Moore can return punts also and I think that will make Miller expendable….eventually at least until Chaz and Murphy are ready.
WR:
Murphy
Ford
DHB
Moore
Hagan
August 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
ARMchair General managers …trevor Scott for top a 10 draft pick Curry..lol ..maybe we can we Brady for Kyle Boller too.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
They are looking to dump him. Scott for Curry straight up. Cable loves his guys from our roster
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BCZ,
How good is Curry in Seattle if they’re looking to dump him?
Trevor Scott is a good pass rusher (when healthy). Better than former 1st round busts Maybin & Gholston – is AC another 1st round bust? If so, I’ll keep Trev for peanuts and hope he recovers from that serious injury!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
573.SharkCatcher Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
ARMchair General managers …trevor Scott for top a 10 draft pick Curry..lol ..maybe we can we Brady for Kyle Boller too.
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Hey genius, before you open your mouth do a little research. Seattle redid Currys contract making him a free agent at the end of the season. They are unhappy with him and are prepared to let him walk for nothing at the end of the year.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
The expectations of Curry being the #4 overall pick are much much higher in Seattle. He has some deficiencies but he is certainly MUCH better than Blackstock, Davis, Gbadyu etc etc
August 24th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Cable loves his guys from our roster
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trade Cooper Carlisle for TE John Carlson!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Keep Dreamin’.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Hey genius, before you open your mouth do a little research
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loud mouthed new yorker Raider fan meets cast member of Jersey Shore
August 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
They are looking to dump him. Scott for Curry straight up. Cable loves his guys from our roster
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BCZ,
How good is Curry in Seattle if they’re looking to dump him?
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Word is Seattle has been disappointed by lack of pass rush from Curry. Good player along the LOS, can cover the TE if he’s asked to, but not a player who leaves his mark on every game.
In Oakland, he wouldn’t need to be much of a pass rusher. They desperately need a guy who can mix it up with offensive linemen along the LOS, though. Curry would improve the run defense, especially on perimeter runs.
Cable was fond of Trevor Scott in his time here. Scott doesn’t seem to be in the team’s long-term plans anymore. If packaged with draft picks, maybe the Seahawks get something in return for a guy they plan on letting go once he’s a FA anyway, and the Raiders get a young starter.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Linebacker Aaron Curry’s contract change has very little to do with his present situation.
He is the Seahawks’ starting strongside linebacker, and that was going to be true whether he agreed to change his six-year rookie contract.
The change does affect Curry’s future, though. The contract now runs four years, leaving Curry to become a free agent after the 2012 season. The team actually has no guaranteed financial commitment to keep him next season.
Curry was chosen No. 4 overall in the 2009 draft, the highest Seahawks draft pick since cornerback Shawn Springs was drafted No. 3 in 1997. Curry started 28 of the 30 games he has played in two seasons, but has not emerged as the star everyone expected when he entered the NFL as one of the most promising rookie linebackers of the past decade.
He was one of the players inherited by coach Pete Carroll and general manager John Schneider. Both sides are trying to make this work, but so far, Curry’s production has not measured up to either his or the team’s expectations. The new deal gives more flexibility both to the player and team, and it emphasizes the reality that this is not going to be the long-term marriage both sides hoped for.
The original deal was for six years with a maximum potential value of $60 million, $34 million guaranteed. The new contract expires after 2012, but even that is not a given as the final year of Curry’s salary is no longer guaranteed. That makes it very much a question whether Curry will be a Seahawk in 2012.
This was different from the contract restructurings that are commonly seen when a veteran is asked to take a pay cut if he wants to remain on the team. Seattle was not going to cut Curry. Not with the amount of money that was guaranteed under the terms of that contract both in 2011 and 2012.
But Curry was willing to give up the provision that his 2012 base salary — which is about $5 million — be guaranteed in order to have the final two seasons of the contract removed. Seattle could choose to keep him through next season, paying the salary, or it could trade or release him.
“That’s not news that’s pertinent to what is going on right now to us,” Carroll said of Curry’s contract. “He’s doing great. He’s had a great camp. Like I’ve said, he has just been at the top of his game in terms of preparation.”
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Posted in the Seattle Times yesterday.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Tbone being fileted, skewered and barbecued is quite humorous as it relates poorly to the Donkeys.
But in reality the kid was set up to get butchered by Baby McBelichump.
Take a flyer on him in the 4th or 5th like with Troy Smith and you lose nothing.
Trade up to get him in the 1st and whoa nelly! its got roadkill written all over it.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
571.RaiderRockstar Says:
RR you know I already called this one. Hagan makes the team.
Are you comfortable with our pull of WRs?
Nick Miller has become camp bait!
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August 24th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
WR Derrick Hagan needs to also make this team!
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Derek Hagan over Nick Miller 24/7
Cut white webster!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Truth is the often maligned James Jett was far more productive than Chaz and Lil’ Nicky combined.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
M Lonetree Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Truth is the often maligned James Jett was far more productive than Chaz and Lil’ Nicky combined.
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Chaz, Miller, and DHB combined.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Hagan makes the team.
Are you comfortable with our pull of WRs?
Nick Miller has become camp bait!
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CJL,
I’m cool with DHB, Murphy, Ford, Schilens, Moore & Hagan – but I’d feel a lot better if we signed Terrell Owens in free agency
Nick Miller = Ryan Hoag. Look it up
August 24th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
YoungAmerican,
true enough. but DHB is staying on the roster, ready to break out and be productive.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I wouldn’t mind DHB getting James Jett-level production. He has a long way to go to achieve even that, but he seems to be getting better at going up and fighting for the ball, so that’s something. May never be a true deep threat, though. More of a YAC guy.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Cable was fond of Trevor Scott in his time here. Scott doesn’t seem to be in the team’s long-term plans anymore
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YA,
what makes you say that?
Didn’t the guy just get cleared to play by the medical staff like 2 or 3 days ago ???
DE: ShoNasty, Houston, Moss, Scott
DT: Seymour, Kelly, Henderson, Bryant
I don’t see him being beat out by a player like Mason Broadine, Jamie Cumbie, Derrick Hill or Tommie Hill – Do you?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
i cant in my mind picture the fools that would look at me dead in the face and proceed to tell me that “cable did a good job with the line” am i really reading this bullschyt today?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
like to see them try dhb in the slot sometime. Would present a nice big target on a slant
August 24th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
big pep Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
i cant in my mind picture the fools that would look at me dead in the face and proceed to tell me that “cable did a good job with the line” am i really reading this bullschyt today?
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I will agree that he certainly did a “job” with the line last year!!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
dhb is gonna be fine, imo. just gotta give him a little bit of time.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
James Jett’s first two seasons (1993 & 1994) he only started 2 games and had 48 catches for 1024 yards & 3 TD’s – that’s right over 21 ypc
He was an undrafted player!
DHB has 35 catches in 25 starts. 490 yards & 2 TD’s
14 ypc. Top 10 overall pick
August 24th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
M Lonetree Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Truth is the often maligned James Jett was far more productive than Chaz and Lil’ Nicky combined.
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What are you talking about?!! Chaz Schilens is the MOST PRODUCTIVE PLAYER in NFL history for cashing a paycheck year after year while staying on IR!!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
tbone: that was more of hue-js call there, because prior to hue, didnt he have the 32nd ranked offense in the league?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
big pep Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
tbone: that was more of hue-js call there, because prior to hue, didnt he have the 32nd ranked offense in the league?
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True enough …
August 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
did i read that wrong?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
to be fair … James Jett had Jeff Hostetler at QB
DHB has had Russell, Gradkowski & Campbell!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
maybe not.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Poor Darrius
August 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Dhb.. n Miller. .glass schilens…Johnny Lee Higgins..(now at eagles)..thank God… all these guys have to go… they had their chance…. tired of waiting… they are not going to produce
August 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
And who was James Jett qb the first two years and who was dhb?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Raidertbone,
using the getting something for doing nothing criterion as a guide doesn’t that make JaWhat’shisname the most productive all-time great?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Chaz Schilens is the MOST PRODUCTIVE PLAYER in NFL history for cashing a paycheck year after year while staying on IR!!
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take it easy, tbone!
Chaz Schilens has ONLY missed 19 games the past two seasons.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
using the getting something for doing nothing criterion as a guide doesn’t that make JaWhat’shisname the most productive all-time great?
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take it easy, M!
Russell won 9 games for us in 3 years.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
who was James Jett qb the first two years and who was dhb?
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Exactly. Poor Darrius!
CC: Debo, JFB & Mistic
biggest fans of JR, BG & JC
August 24th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
JaMarcus Russell & Sanjay Lal stunted DHB’s development
would you want a midget trying to teach you how to slam dunk?
would you want a blind guy leading you on a tour of the grand canyon?
August 24th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
n miller, glass schilens, johnny punkassa higgins. i can do without. dhb, i could put up with him 1 more season. then you make him walk the plank if produces another 20 catch season. he did however have, fatass,noodle arm, and deer in the headlights throwing the ball. ill also give deer 1 more season.
August 24th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
M Lonetree Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Raidertbone,
using the getting something for doing nothing criterion as a guide doesn’t that make JaWhat’shisname the most productive all-time great?
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Ja-Who? Sorry, I’ve just totally erased that from my Raider memory bank!
August 24th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
As much as I wish we could trade or dump dhb.. it’s not going to happen. .. so this my list of wr who should make the team..
J Ford
d Moore
l Murphy
D Hagan
Dhb
If we must take a 6th… use Pryor as our 6th wr
August 24th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
dhb, i could put up with him 1 more season. then you make him walk the plank if produces another 20 catch season. he did however have, fatass,noodle arm, and deer in the headlights throwing the ball. ill also give deer 1 more season
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LOL @ BP
If we would have been drafted a few years earlier he could have had Brooks, Walter, Culpepper & McCown at QB.
Pro Bowl, baby!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
sanjay lal coaching wide outs is as bad as, racing the kentucky derby on a pony.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
deer in the headlights throwing the ball. ill also give deer 1 more season.
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Now give Jason some cred — deer can be very swift and adept, particularly at night when there’s no one around. However, during the daylight hours, when they try to cross the busy freeway: nnnneeeeeeaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhh – splat!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Rockstar,
to paraphrase Winston with regards to Ja9wins
“never have so many known so little from such lack of effort.”
August 24th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
This fool on the scott van pelt show had T.Pryor as the backup QB that would get the most starts this year.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
after this season j.c. cant use the whole different coach/cord bullschyt that gets thrown out in his def.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
T.pryor will be the backup when j.c. goes down after week 2, and trent starts.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
WR Corp:
Ford
Murph
Chaz
DHB
Moore
Hagan
With DMC of coure being split out wide every now and then!
Bye, bye Nick Miller. He had his chance.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Dnight..
What do you do when glaz schilens pulls his vigina. .?
August 24th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
YA,
what makes you say that?
Didn’t the guy just get cleared to play by the medical staff like 2 or 3 days ago ???
DE: ShoNasty, Houston, Moss, Scott
DT: Seymour, Kelly, Henderson, Bryant
I don’t see him being beat out by a player like Mason Broadine, Jamie Cumbie, Derrick Hill or Tommie Hill – Do you?
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No, I’m talking long-term. He may very well be around for the duration of his rookie contract. But the WLB experiment with him ended pretty quickly, and the Raiders have much stronger players at DE now. Trevor Scott would be little more than a role player going forward.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
They are putting Huff in a Charles Woodson role where he does essentially the same thing from corner to SS to FS and LB. I feel Huff is the right player for that role because he’s so versatile. It gives the defense a different look all together. Now we need a LB who is athletic enough to do the Matthews thing. And I thought Goethel would’ve been the perfect candidate. We already tried T Scott and he’s just not as aggressive instinctive as we need him to be. If you don’t block TS he is very good if the defense is fooled but he just can’t get off blocks worth crap. So I’m hoping Jarvis Moss can provide the elephant role for us. He’s a little like Stork but can we use him all over the defense from different angles.
I think Huff will have a HUGE year as will Routt.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Every year, BHP is badmouthing the old coach, and sucking the new coach, disgusting.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Raider reconstruction era 2010-2012
Raider dynasty 2013-2018
August 24th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
ghostraiders Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Dnight..
What do you do when glaz schilens pulls his vigina. .?
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I really can’t stand comments like these. Some of y’all act like the guy is just making excuses to not be on the field.
I can guarantee that everybody here in this chatroom could not hold up physically in the NFL. Otherwise we’d all be in training camps right now.
The kid’s body may very well not be built for the wear-and-tear of the NFL. That doesn’t mean he has a “vigina” (some misogynistic bulls*** there, too).
August 24th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
620.ghostraiders Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Dnight..
What do you do when glaz schilens pulls his vigina. .?
^^^^^^^^
haha….play Moore!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Everyday you’re drooling the same drool…………disgusting!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
w’sup Priest,
some of my first posts some months ago were with you in support of picking up Pryor. I expect to see him doing something creative late in the season.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Yes, Al Davis drooling over this team is disgusting
August 24th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Terrelle Pryor != Tim Tebow
Pryor is a much better athlete. His feet are much faster, his release is much quicker and has much less looping motion. He is a better runner than Tebow – Tebow is more powerful but slow for the NFL – Tebow has no elusiveness, Pryor is very elusive. Pryor is also taller and less muscle bound and that allows him to move and react quicker and more fluidly. Pryor is 2 years younger.
And his contract is 1/3 that of Tebow.
Pryor has the tools, has a ton of upside and if he truly wants to, can be a very good starting QB in the NFL.
Go RAIDERS!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Young Amer. .
Hey man. . We can’t keep waiting on this pretzel. .. Its always the same story. .with him.. and the worst part is… he gets hurt without anybody touching him…its ridiculous. .The Guy. Is not mad for football
August 24th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
ghostraiders Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Young Amer. .
Hey man. . We can’t keep waiting on this pretzel. .. Its always the same story. .with him.. and the worst part is… he gets hurt without anybody touching him…its ridiculous. .The Guy. Is not mad for football
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I second that emotion. Condo needs to go.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
When is Napa camp over?
August 24th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
“What Josh McDaniel saw in him God only knows. Maybe God does know — because the rest of us don’t,” Esiason said.
LOL
August 24th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
BSJ,
Relax. Chaz can longsnap
August 24th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Boomer went hard on Tebow…..
Boomer Esiason: Tim Tebow can’t play, can’t throw
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 24, 2011, 2:07 PM EDT
Move aside, Merril Hoge. You now have competition as Tim Tebow’s harshest critic.
Boomer Esiason, the former Bengals quarterback and current CBS analyst, says Tebow has no business being an NFL quarterback, and just because Tebow was successful at Florida, that’s no reason to think he’ll ever be any good with the Broncos.
“He can’t play. He can’t throw,” Esiason said, via Mike McCarthy of USA Today. “I’m not here to insult him. The reality is he was a great college football player, maybe the greatest college football player of his time. But he’s not an NFL quarterback right now. Just because he’s God-fearing, and a great person off the field, and was a winner with the team that had the best athletes in college football, doesn’t mean his game is going to translate to the NFL.”
Esiason says he can’t imagine why the old coaching staff wanted Tebow and doesn’t see what good it does for the current coaching staff to keep him around.
“What Josh McDaniel saw in him God only knows. Maybe God does know — because the rest of us don’t,” Esiason said.
All indications are that Tebow’s job is safe, even though he may not even be the third-best quarterback in camp. But there are a whole lot of people watching Tebow who think the Broncos would be better off without him.
August 24th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
I like this situation for Pryor. No pressure no rush. He’ll have the chance to reach his potential @ QB in practice/limited role. If he develops the skills and takes over then great. If not then he gets the ball some other way. Just Win/Win Baby!
August 24th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Mcfadden looked like a bust until year three and he was a NFL ready product out of college. DHB was a track star turned football player who has looked noticeably better every year. Give him a chance
August 24th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Priks McShay, et al bashing Raiders over pick. Nobody talking about the production.
* 31-4 as a starter
* Three Big Ten titles
* Two-time BCS Bowl MVP (wins over Oregon and Arkansas)
* 22 games with over 200 yards of offense
* 2,164 rushing yards (Ohio State school record)
* 57 passing touchdowns (tied an Ohio State record)
Hope we get the contract done this week and he plays a bit against Seattle in the 2nd half, even just handing the ball off to Taiwan and a couple safe throws to Ausberry and Moore. A little taste of the future…
Go RAIDERS!
August 24th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
By the time DHB is a legit #2 WR, his contract will be up. And as he signs with SandyEgo he will tell Al Davis thank you for the WR training, and the Brinksmanship truck full of money.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Ever since Mr. Ronald Curry was injured all the Raiders’ WRs have been atrocious until Mr. Jacoby Ford last season.
Raiders WRs will have over 200 receptions combined (they haven’t doen that in a long time), they must or we will not win our division, unless of course both Mr. McFadden & Mr. Bush rush for over 1,000 yards each.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
When is Napa camp over?
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This week, tomorrow or friday is last day….
August 24th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Every year, BHP is badmouthing the old coach, and sucking the new coach, disgusting.
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Wheras every year, MR is badmouthing the new coach, and sucking the old coach.
Happy medium?
August 24th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Al is purposely dragging his feet on getting Pryor’s contract done. Wants to keep him away from the prying eyes and ears of the media hacks..Pryor will be hooked up in time for when they are back behind the locked gates of Alameda…
August 24th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Al is purposely dragging his feet on getting Pryor’s contract done. Wants to keep him away from the prying eyes and ears of the media hacks..Pryor will be hooked up in time for when they are back behind the locked gates of Alameda…
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I agree, but, so counter-productive, when your stadium is half-empty.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Al Davis is sooooooo worried about media types. Hey Al, Win Some Damned Games!
August 24th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Raiders WRs will have over 200 receptions combined (they haven’t done that in a long time), they must or we will not win our division, unless of course both McFadden & Bush rush for over 1,000 yards each.
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Retribution,
Last year
Murphy 41
DHB 26
Ford 25
Higgins 10
Schilens 5
Nmiller 3
Total = 110
August 24th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
KK the clown,
When you and tj fight neither one of you can use the race card, so there’s no winner….Just 2 losers!
August 24th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
And where’s the big-mouth Brien Bootlicker, who’s always threatening violence at the Coliseum?
August 24th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am
The O-line is a hell of a lot better than what it was before Cable got here.
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Its a hell of a lot worse now that cable is gone
August 24th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Ah, there he is. How’s the trailer smelling today, BrownStains?
August 24th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Yep. Old man Al and Trask need to worry about putting a good product on the field and getting butts in seats.
Even if the Niners and Raiders end up sharing a stadium in the South Bay, if they play chitty football, they won’t be selling out thet 68K seat stadium for very long!
August 24th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Mcfadden looked like a bust until Cable and he was a NFL ready product out of college. DHB was a crack star turned football player who has looked noticeably better every year. Give him a chance
August 24th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
These Raider coaches need to be on their toes and be ready to make in game adjustments on an as needed basis!
Waiting until half time to make adjustments to what your opponent is doing is stupidity!
August 24th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
# realtruraider Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
This fool on the scott van pelt show had T.Pryor as the backup waterboy that would get wet the most this year.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
These Raider coaches need to be on their toes and be ready to make in game adjustments on an as needed basis!
Waiting until half time to make adjustments to what your opponent is doing is stupidity!But that’s typical Raiders and now it’s worse with HUE SMACK!
August 24th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
ghostraiders Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Young Amer. .
Hey man. . We can’t keep waiting on this pretzel. .. Its always the same story. .with him.. and the worst part is… he gets hurt without anybody touching him…its ridiculous. .The Guy. Is not mad for football
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I second that emotion. Dmac needs to go.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
The Raiders break training camp in Napa on Friday, have a walk-through in Alameda on Saturday and host the Saints on Sunday night.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/index#ixzz1Vz6uZkrq
August 24th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Dvrick has to be the lamest troll ever. He makes Beeecham look like a real intellectual.
August 24th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel reports that Dimitri Nance, whom the Packers picked up to replace Grant last season, may push Grant out of a job as the final running back on the Packers’ 53-man roster.
According to Silverstein, running backs James Starks, Alex Green and John Kuhn are locks to survive the final cuts on September 3, but Grant is not.I prefer Lendale White myself
August 24th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
# YoungAmerican Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the Raiders trying to trade for Aaron Curry. Not sure if they have the ammunition, though. The guy isn’t much of a pass-rusher, but in Oakland he wouldn’t have to be. He’s very solid at the LOS, which is something the Raiders need desperately. He can also cover relatively well.
Maybe package DMAC and future picks? 2013 2nd or 3rd rounder?
August 24th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Halftime is when adjustments are made! What on earth is stupid about making adjustments then? There is even a saying, it goes like this; “halftime adjustments”.
lmao
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# DKnight007 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
These Raider coaches need to be on their toes and be ready to make in game adjustments on an as needed basis!
Waiting until half time to make adjustments to what your opponent is doing is stupidity!
August 24th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
If the Raiders are guilty of anything, its NOT making adjustments @ halftime.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Gruden was king of halftime adjustments. Those Raider teams were often top 5 in NFL in points scored first drive after halftime.
Helps having a smart qb and veteran wrs.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:39 am
So what can Raiders fans expect from their newest member, who’ll fly to Oakland once his contract is finalized?
“A lot of losses,” Pryor said. “Just lose baby. That’s what Al Davis says and that’s all I want to do. . . . I just want to be the worst, and I just want to lose.”
Pryor has been saying all the right things. If he can do all the wrong things on the field, he’ll get those losses
-Mike Florio (PFT)
August 24th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Dvrick has to be the smartest troll ever. He makes Beeecham look like a real dumbell.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
# Raider J Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Raider reconstruction era 2010-2012
Raider dynasty – never!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Raiders WRs will have over 10 receptions combined (they haven’t done that in a long time), they must or we will not win our division, unless of course both McFadden & Bush rush for over 100 yards each.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Alexander is correct….i wasnt a big fan of gruden but halftime adjustments by him were damn near perfect. Always a td drive on first ppossession it seemed
August 24th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
# priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Everyday I’m drooling the same drool…………disgusting!
August 24th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Kell….that viagra still not gettin wifey moist for some action?
August 24th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Alexander is correct….i wasnt a big fan of gruden but halftime adjustments by him were damn near perfect. Always a td drive on first ppossession it seemed
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You weren’t a fan of Gruden? Who were you a fan of, Joe Bugel, Mike White? I guess you like losing.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
# Raider J Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
w’sup Priest,
some of my first posts some months ago were with you in support of picking up JaRUSSELL back up. I expect to see him doing something creative late in the season.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
TS di*k….still upset we dont view you trannys as real women?
August 24th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
# BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Kell….that viagra still not gettin wifey moist for some action?Wonder if Hue Jack would be up for some action?
August 24th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
B, halftime adjustments are nothing but stupidity!
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# DKnight007 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
These Raider coaches need to be on their toes and be ready to make in game adjustments on an as needed basis!
Waiting until half time to make adjustments to what your opponent is doing is stupidity!
August 24th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
MR…..I NEVER WILL LIKE YOUR VAUNTED DINK AND DUNK WCO……Gruden did good as coach but his offeensive style wasnt my favorite thing to watch
August 24th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Lmao Mista….yeah halftime adjustments mean nada
August 24th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
MR…..I NEVER WILL LIKE YOUR VAUNTED DINK AND DUNK WCO……Gruden did good as coach but his offeensive style wasnt my favorite thing to watch
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Like I said, I guess you like losing.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Grudens offense was to conservative. He didn’t believe in stretching the def. Opposing Def would move up Lb’s & safety’s only about 12 yards from the LOS.
Insane
August 24th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
According to DK he would like to see adjustments made when the team is coming out of the tunnel.
*shrug*
August 24th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
I say we cut our losses with chaz and nmiller. Possibility New England picks up nick miller but cut them and come week, 3 sign TO. We need a big vet WR and TO is it. I kike the idea for trading for A.Curry but with what safe bet is to get Morrison for cheap. Hue should just use pryor for wildcats(like vick first year in philly)and just have him go from there just dont rush to start him let him sit. And i would believe drew when he said he could be the best qb in 5yrs but let him sit and learn and thats what he might turn out to be. I HAVE FAITH IN MY TEAM UNLIKE SOME FRAUDS ON HERE. EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT OAKLAND IS NOTHING BUT. POSITIVES! NEVER NEGATIVE. WIN LOSE OR TIE RAIDERS TILL I DIE
August 24th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Half time adjustments?
Change in terminlology?
We have (had) a game plan on D??
Last week looked like the D just went out there and trusted it up to luck…
August 24th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
I NEVER WILL LIKE YOUR VAUNTED DINK AND DUNK WCO……Gruden did good as coach but his offeensive style wasnt my favorite thing to watch
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What else did you expect him to do with a noodle armed QB and 2 old slow arsse WRs?
August 24th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
What else did you expect him to do with a noodle armed QB and 2 old slow arsse WRs?
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Magic, homie.
Still will never understand any Raider fan (or actual Raider, in B’s case) that doesn’t put Gruden/Gannon up there with Madden/Snake and Flores/Plunkett.
I personally enjoyed winning and loved watching every second of that offense.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
What else did you expect him to do with a noodle armed QB and 2 old slow arsse WRs?
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Magic, homie.
Still will never understand any Raider fan (or actual Raider, in B’s case) that doesn’t put Gruden/Gannon up there with Madden/Snake and Flores/Plunkett.
I personally enjoyed winning and loved watching every second of that offense.
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There are some chumps who would rather see Al Davis style football than see a winning team.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
# BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
TS di*k….still upset you dont view us trannys as real women?
August 24th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Wasn’t a Gannon fan at all since he came from KC.
Loved Chuckie though!
August 24th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Madden/Snake won a lot of games and 1 SB.
flores/Plunk won 2 SB’s.
Gru/gan…..
August 24th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
# TheGeneral Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
I say you cut our losses with chaz and nmiller. Possibility New England picks up nick miller but cut them and come week, 3 sign TO. you need a big vet WR and TO is it. I kike the idea for trading for A.Curry but with what safe bet is to get Morrison for cheap. Hue should just use pryor for wildcats(like vick first year in philly)and just have him go from there just dont rush to start him let him sit. And i would believe drew when he said he could be the best qb in 5yrs but let him sit and learn and thats what he might turn out to be. I HAVE FAITH IN MY TEAM UNLIKE SOME FRAUDS ON HERE. EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT THE NINERS IS NOTHING BUT. POSITIVES! NEVER NEGATIVE. WIN LOSE OR TIE NINERS TILL I DIE
August 24th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Steve jobs resigning as CEO of Apple. Must be one sick dude to have to do that.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
New #raiders player wearing No. 57. No word yet on who he is…
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
J Hill Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Wasn’t a Gannon fan at all since he came from KC.
Loved Chuckie though!
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LOSER
August 24th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
AB,
Right? I personally believe you can win with the Davis model, you just have to have right players, coaches and they have to execute (like any system), however, his is difficult to pull off.
But more than anything, I like watching the Raiders win. I liked watching us compete for an AFC Championship for a few years in a row.
And I liked Rich Gannon a lot. He and Gruden got rid of all the dead weight and changed the culture of the locker room.
Al is too damn stubborn to allow anyone else to do his job, it seems. Hue is an Al guy and I think Hue can knock some sense into the current squad.
It’s tough, cause as a coach, you get too good and you take away Al’s spotlight.
I wonder if it would have been the same outcome had Gruden run a vertical offense with a big-armed guy and lightning quick WRs? I think yes.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
MR…..I NEVER WILL LIKE YOUR VAUNTED DINK AND DUNK WCO……Gruden did good as coach but his offeensive style wasnt my favorite thing to watch
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Like I said, I guess you like losing.
– He does gives him something to talk about!
August 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
what the hell is Al doing? Sign Pryor and get us a stud wlb.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
noteasilyimpressed Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
New #raiders player wearing No. 57. No word yet on who he is…
2 minutes ago
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Please don’t let it be a scrub.
Kirk’s former numbers (52 and 55) already taken. Is the Capt. back?
August 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
All hail the Savior, #6 T. Pryor
August 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
J Hill Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Wasn’t a Gannon fan at all since he came from KC.
Loved Cable though!
August 24th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
# Thec07 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Madden/Snake won a lot of games and 1 SB.
flores/Plunk won 2 SB’s.
Cable would have won the most.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
#57? TATUPU? MORRISON? it cant be morrison because im sure they would have ID him by then
August 24th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
McClain and Van Dyke back; Ausberry and Henderson still out; Seymour day off
1 minute ago
August 24th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
PGutierrezCSN New #raiders player wearing No. 57. No word yet on who he is…
5 minutes ago
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New mystery LB…..
August 24th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
noteasilyimpressed Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
New #raiders player wearing No. 57. No word yet on who he is… kinda looks like JaRussell!!!!!!!!!
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
PGutierrezCSN Paul Gutierrez
Oops….it appears No. 57 was actually No. 52. Twisted jersey
August 24th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
Oops….it appears No. 57 was actually No. 52. Twisted jersey
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
# 909RaiderLifer Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
PGutierrezCSN New #raiders player wearing No. 57. No word yet on who he is…
5 minutes ago
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New mystery LB…..its just concord different jersey!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Yo dvrick do us all a favor shut the f_ck up move out of your parents basement and get a life. Lame ass punk who waste theor lives coming to another team blog to talk sh’t
August 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
DPCM32Dave
@
@CorkOnTheNFL Kirk Morrison to the Bills,
1 minute ago
August 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
And he does this weird thing where he talks for other people…
August 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
CorkOnTheNFL No sign of any new linebackers.
2 minutes ago
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Maybe #57 is the new long snapper, or Corkran is asleep at the wheel again…
August 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
You think you’re Apple stock has taken a hit with the DOW going down in the last few weeks, Steve Jobs just resigned.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Jay_Glazer Jay Glazer
Just heard that @kirkmorrison has agreed to a one-year deal w Bills. The last of the MMAthletics guys to hook on. Congrats
It’s not Morrison
August 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Its not Kirk Morrison he just tweeted something about Steve Jobs
August 24th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Reece is here (jersey rolled up) and McClain doesn’t have helmet, so he’s out 2nd straight day
1 minute ago
August 24th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
# TheGeneral Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Yo dvrick do us all a favor keep f_ck up we love it. WE are just Lame ass punks who waste our lives coming to another team blog to talk sh’t too
August 24th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Raiders should have Mr. Gordon take a shot at linebacker, if he is a TE that get’s physical, a freakish athlete as Mr. Van Dyke stated awhile back, one that does not have great hands; then by all means let’s find out how he does at tackling runningbacks and sacking quarterbacks.
August 24th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Madden/Snake won a lot of games and 1 SB.
flores/Plunk won 2 SB’s.
Gru/gan…..
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How many times did Madden come up short before he won the Big Game? How long did it take him to get there?
Madden: 1969-1978
Flores: 1979-1987
Gruden: 1998-2001
Madden and Flores (both had 8+ seasons)left/fired after failing to make playoffs in final season. Gruden TRADED after going to the AFC Championship (and should have gone to the SB).
Really??
August 24th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
# Guy Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
And #TheGeneral does this weird thing where he talks for other people…
August 24th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Welp that leaves us with TATUPU
August 24th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Heyer back from triceps injury. Too late? Hue said he may start opening-day OL against Saints Sunday night
3 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
# Thec07 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Its not Jim Morrison he just tweeted something about Steve Jobs
August 24th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
PGutierrezCSN Paul Gutierrez
Oops….it appears No. 57 was actually No. 52. Twisted jersey
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Gutierrez trying for scoopage, shoots self in foot instead…….
August 24th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Lol RaiderRetribution, is Richard Gordon Myers part 2?
August 24th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
49ers fans trolling here??? Dvrick!!
August 24th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
# TheGeneral Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Welp that leaves us with Kevin Mawae
August 24th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
I’m out, Nation.
Be good.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
# noteasilyimpressed Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
49ers fans trolling here??? #TheGeneral!! or Dolphins fan or Seahawks fan or Chargers fan?
August 24th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
How many times did Madden come up short before he won the Big Game? How long did it take him to get there?
Madden: 1969-1978
Flores: 1979-1987
Gruden: 1998-2001
Madden and Flores (both had 8+ seasons)left/fired after failing to make playoffs in final season. Gruden TRADED after going to the AFC Championship (and should have gone to the SB).
Really??
++++++++++
whats your point?
Gru/gan not in the same league as Madden, flores in my opinion…
August 24th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
I’m out, Nation.
Be good.GOOOOOOOOO NINERSSSSSSSS
August 24th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
CorkOnTheNFL 18 players out of practice today. List just seems to get longer.
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Dvrick=Leader of Troll Nation
August 24th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
# big pep Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
i cant in my mind picture any of you guys that wouldn’t look at me dead in the face and proceed to tell me that “cable did a good job with the line” am i really reading this bullschyt today?
August 24th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
# noteasilyimpressed Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Dvrick=Leader of RAIDER Nation
August 24th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
August 24th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Sign Kentwan Balmer. Decent depth for the dline
August 24th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
halftime adjustments? John Madden never had to worry about such things. He just had to hope to keep the score within a reasonable strike until Snake and the rest of them finally shook off their hangovers sometime in the early fourth quarter.
“Don’t ask a player to do something he can’t do” is one portion of Hue Jack’s motto.
Tradition!
August 24th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
August 24th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Dvrick has to be the smartest RAIDER ever. He makes Beeecham look like a real dumbell.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
August 24th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
# bcz24 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Sign Kentwan Balmer. Decent depth for the dline
**************HE’s on the SEAHAWKS ROSTER STUPID
August 24th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Kirk Morrison Just signed with bills..
August 24th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
HE’s on the SEAHAWKS ROSTER STUPID
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They just released him jackass
August 24th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
August 24th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Seahawks have signed running back Vai Taua and released defensive tackle Kentwan Balmer, a former 1st-round pick for SF.
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Keep up junior
August 24th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
blame injury on the lockout.
or blame it on the new anti-PED rules.
better profits (living) through chemistry used to be the NFL ideal.
now? hope Lloyd’s of London has plenty of cash on hand to pay out injury clauses.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
August 24th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
dvrick Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
I’M STUPID
August 24th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Seahawks have signed running back Vai Taua and released defensive tackle Kentwan Balmer, a former 1st-round pick for SF.
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Keep up junior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dvrick, you gotta keep up with what goes on in YOUR division, the NFC wEST – MR. 49ER!
August 24th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Brahs, I was just out tracking a few more hot joints for my upcoming solo record.
Smoked a ton of blunts with the rap producers and macked on this nubian mizzle in 9 inch stilletos.
Lucky I was already wasted on Colt 45 and pita chips.
Where’s old fool Krappy and his pal TJ the Whiff Master? Those two goobers are usually in the blog by now, diapers soaked to capacity, striking out in embarrassing fashion on every prediction. Hilarious.
LET’S GET IT STARTED UP IN HERE FIZZ TWIZZLE
August 24th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
McClain sitting this one out again, and Sam Williams again running defense at MLB for #raiders
1 minute ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
738.dvrick Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Dvrick has to be a real dumbell.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
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@PugetZulu starters are Ford and DHB
2 minutes ago
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VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
@
@stephenvandor they might want to wait and watch waiver wire. Alarms have to go off with all visits Tatupu made and he still hasn’t signed
3 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
I support Hue, but his lying in the pressers is starting to piss me off.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Bresnahan yelling at defense “It’s not that hard” … Hue pulling out OL who false start, Campbell that time
1 minute ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
LMFAO. DVRICK, YOU ARE STRAIGHT UP PENDEJO!!!
J Hill Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
dvrick Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
I’M STUPID
August 24th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Lots of trolls today. Cause we don’t
have Nnamdi. Cornfucious not happy about that.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
PGutierrezCSN McClain sitting this one out again, and Sam Williams again running defense at MLB for #raiders
4 minutes ago
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Wruh wrow….
August 24th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Kirk Morisson signed with Buffalo
August 24th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Aug. 24, 2011 2:20 p.m. – by Eric Gilmore – Rookie RB Jones: I can punch the ball through middle
Rookie RB Taiwan Jones is known most for his blazing speed, but he showed his power in a goal-line drill Tuesday during camp. “There are a lot of naysayers saying that I can’t run up the middle and stuff like that, so that’s definitely something I’m here to prove,” Jones said. Raiders RapidReports
August 24th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Yeah, Beechum, BrownStains & Bootlicker always show up at the same time, don’t they?
August 24th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Aug. 24, 2011 2:24 p.m. – by Eric Gilmore – Local guy Jones can hardly wait to make Raiders debut
Rookie RB Taiwan Jones, who grew up in the Bay Area, missed the first two games with a hamstring injury, but he expects to play Sunday against New Orleans at the Coliseum in front of a large group of family and friends. “I’ve been trying my best to stay level,” Jones said. “I’m already getting emotions and getting excited.” Raiders RapidReports
August 24th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
TATUPU TATUPU TATUPU TATUPU!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
Jacoby Ford joins Nick Miller and Denarius Moore in fielding punts for #raiders
1 minute ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
timkawakami Tim Kawakami
This is a little late, but my understanding is the next-highest draft bid on Terrelle Pryor was in 4th round. Raiders used a No. 3 for him.
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Raiders would not have been able to get Prior in the 5th.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
#764 GOOD POST
August 24th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
Taiwan Jones replaces Ford in fielding punts
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Sam Williams at MLB?
Jesus wept.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Krappy, any luck on all those Broker Tours? Still no listings after all these months?
Gotta be frustrating, huh old goat.
Although getting an allowance from your wife and her bowl cut helps ease the sting a bit, I imagine.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Kell u old btch shut up…..ALWAYS? Do you know what always means? If you did and look back at archives you can see that is false as hell! U just a scrambling ass old bitter chump who looses his chompers yellin at the computer screen after the B@uce rips u in half……again
August 24th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Scrimmage: Williams, Blackstock make stops and fired-up Hue gets in Blacktock’s face, shoves him. Barks “That’s what I am talking about”
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
@noteasilyimpressed
Thanks for the updates!
August 24th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Kell u make over 90pct of the people in here sick….just leave and dont let your droppings leave a bread crumb trail like ya did all the way over to PFT
August 24th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Bush, Jones and McFadden rip long runs against second, third team
1 minute ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
For all you Oakland A’s fans – A’s 1 – Yankees 0
August 24th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Haven’t seen much of Taiwan Jones yet, but it is clear that if he gets into open field forget it. He’s gone.
1 minute ago
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Will be the undisputed MUP this year. Print that…
August 24th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Was Morrison faster than tatupu. .. I presume its tatupu or nobody because Morrison is off to the bills. ..
August 24th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Tight end Brandon Myers hurt on pass play. Helped off field by trainer.
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This team is hella cursed.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
RayHamelRay Hamel
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@CorkOnTheNFL That mean Hagan has been told he will make the roster?
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Hagan switched jersey # from 6 to 80
August 24th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Kell u make over 90pct of the people in here sick….just leave and dont let your droppings leave a bread crumb trail like ya did all the way over to PFT
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Kell is alright with me.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
They need that # for Pryor I bet.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Glad to see Jones will be on field sunday…I’ll be there….how bout you? CODE BLACKIN IT when Tonga gets in game and srings him open for a big run!
August 24th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
MR…WE KNOW FailKell is your buddy….notice I said 90 pct……I didnt say 100 pct u dumb fk
August 24th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Callahan was right, we must be the dumbest team in america if a former minor league football d-coordinator is telling them “it’s not that hard!”
August 24th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Myers (ankle) heads to locker room; Kevin Brock is your new starting TE, with Boss and Ausberry out
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Yes Hagan make it….cut nicki miller!
August 24th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Myers (ankle) heads to locker room; Kevin Brock is your new starting TE, with Boss and Ausberry out
August 24th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Alexander…chuck doesnt strike ya as that bright or competent eh?
August 24th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Brock? lol where is that Gordon guy?
August 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Bring Back John Marshall BRESNAHAN SUCKS
August 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Raiders may have to put Pryor at tight end after all.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
This has got to be the worst pre season for us injury wise…
August 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Bring back Willie Shaw.
August 24th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Albert Bigelo Puss, you’re hella nerdy.
And why would you ever admit you liked Krappy? Even if you did like the old fool, that’s just more ammo to slap you around with.
Doofus
August 24th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Getting weird replies. To clarify, starting WRs are Ford and DHB; rest of depth chart: Murphy, Moore, Schilens, Hagan, Miller, Bodiford
1 minute ago
August 24th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
According to scout, Raiders are high on blacstock at lb sure to his speed. Will give him long look before they dip into FA market.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
cockran when you give the update tonite, give us some real intel on whats going on with the Oline…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Raiders
August 24th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
After today we should have a better idea who will be starting on the oline against NO. Glad we didnt cut BCampbell like some of the semi’s on this blog wanted…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Myers headed to locker room. Raiders down to Kevin Brock and rookie Richard Gordon at tight end.
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Whats Todd Christianson (sp?) doing these days??
August 24th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Lol @67
Yup he would
August 24th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Thec07 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
After today we should have a better idea who will be starting on the oline against NO. Glad we didnt cut BCampbell like some of the semi’s on this blog wanted…
Thank God!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Nice catch by Adeniji over middle against Routt; Shaughnessy deflects Edwards pass; Boller makes like Michael Vick; Hue praises Scott stop
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Gordon is a BIG dude, Thought he might have the inside shot at the 3rd TE spot due to his blocking abillity.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Albert Bigelo Puss, you’re hella nerdy.
And why would you ever admit you liked Krappy? Even if you did like the old fool, that’s just more ammo to slap you around with.
Doofus
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I like Kell, MR, La Milicia Negra, and Dakota. They are my best buds.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Blackstock hasn’t played ball since 2008…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Chekwa getting a lot of work at safety for second straight day; DHB turns and explodes out of short catch; Jones takes off on swing pass
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August 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Still not to late for some of you guy to get in on the Taiwan Jones for MUP action…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
On that swing pass, Bruce Davis looked like Wily Coyote when Jones hit extra gear turning the corner
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August 24th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
On that swing pass, Bruce Davis looked like Wily Coyote when Jones hit extra gear turning the corner
August 24th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
DHB starting to rise….Good for him, he will be a very solid contributor to the O….
August 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
I want pass rush vs brees this weekend…..is that alot to ask for?
August 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Chekwa getting a lot of work at safety for second straight day;
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
alex7 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 12:20 am
Top Raider Players during latest glory years:
Rich Gannon, old Tim Brown, old Jerry Rice, C. and R. Woodson, Eric Allen, Romo, Biekert, Garner.
Doesn’t exactly scare you with speed.
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Most of which were FA signings, we have trouble developing our own players….or is it our scouting and draft expertise?
August 24th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
John Condo, simply the best, better than all the rest.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
DHB turns and explodes out of short catch;
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Hue and Saunders putting DHB in a position to do what he does best, just like they did with McFadden last year.
To hell with all those deep vertical routes. Give the guy shorter routes and let him get some YAC!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Beechum, BrownStains, Bootlicker, tsk, tsk.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Condo=rock solid
August 24th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Capt. Kirk’s and Buffalo only have a verbal agreement for a 1 year contract, according to AP sportswriter, Bills do not consider anything official until contract is signed.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
#815 Absolutely!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Dmac,Bush, Jones, the trinity of running backs.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Wonder which safety spot Chekwa is playing. Yesterday it sounded like it was SS with branch playing corner.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Mr. Chekwa getting alot of work at safety means either Mr. Branch simply isn’t getting it and may end up taking over Mr. Eugene’s gunner position or that Mr. Mitchell is seriously injured.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
@ @jaywiggle14 Branch would only play CB in case of emergency
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Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Still concerned about the dline issues…
I line henderson, he is our best run stopper in my opinion however, I doubt he last the season…
I dont think the issues are just gap control.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
or maybe it’s more like Mr. Jones looks like the Road Runner… beep beep!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Morrison’s problem is that he tackles the player after he’s gained 10-15yds… that’s why we let him go and presume that’s why jags didn’t want him back…. I’m glad we didn’t pick him up… he is definitely not a run stopper. .
Good luck with the Billy goats. .. Kirk..
August 24th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
DHBEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
cockran, give usa good update on the oline, want to know how well BCAMBPELL is performing….Soulds like today he was going against the 1’s….
August 24th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Locks on Raiders Offensive Line:
[simply those that will make the roster not positions or starters]
Vehldeer, Satele, Wisniewski, Campbell, Barksdale, Heyer; these six definately make the final cut.
more than likely to make roster, but by no means a lock:
Barnes, Schuening, Carlisle, Loper (at least 2 of these will make the roster)
Bubble and/or long shot:
Wand, Lamaak, Pelc, Parsons, Eliades (at least one of these will make the 53-man roster)
August 24th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
RB Jones, DE Scott and CB Ware having nice days
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August 24th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
I dont think the issues are just gap control.
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Issue is quite simply our sub par LBs.
McClain is not looking like a beast. Doesn’t shoot the gap or play downhill at all. Haven’t seen him beat or outsavy a OG in preseason yet.
We all know 52 is terrible.
Blackstock hasn’t even shown that he would be a decent STs player let alone a candidate to start on Goethel’s place.
I think we need to put Scott back in there. He was decent when we benched Howard a couple of years ago, and I fully expected him to start there last year. Right up until Cable coming out saying they had to find a way to get Groves on the field.
Scrap the whole idea of our OLBs in coverage. Maybe an occasional zone blitz drop.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Sounds like TJ is ripping it up today….
Can’t wait to see him on sunday…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
RB Jones, DE Scott and CB Ware having nice days
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Ware ahead of McFadden for that last CB spot.
Checkwa will make the team as a S.
Moore should make it as well.
McFadden in trouble.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
McClain is not looking like a beast. Doesn’t shoot the gap or play downhill at all. Haven’t seen him beat or outsavy a OG in preseason yet.
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This is a concern however, it seems that we play the run better when henderson is in the game…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
more than likely to make roster, but by no means a lock:
Barnes, Schuening, Carlisle, Loper (at least 2 of these will make the roster)
Unless the guys below on your list show some miracality
the above guys will be on the 53 man…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
Taiwan Jones…nice and smooth. And fast. Real fast
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August 24th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Blackstock hasn’t even shown that he would be a decent STs player let alone a candidate to start on Goethel’s place.
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The guy hasnt played ball since 2008…We are razor thin at LB…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Thec…fkin amen…..can you tell YA, BHP and jhill this please?
August 24th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
PGutierrezCSNPaul Gutierrez
Seabass drills 64-yard field goal
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Gerard Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am
From ESPN.com article on Pryor.
“I’m often as confused as anyone by the Raiders’ strategy, but gambling on Pryor makes some sense. Besides, if Davis were Bill Belichick, we’d be calling this move genius.”
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There you go. That is absolute truth on the Pryor deal.
Haynesworth to Oakland? ESPN would say “typical Raiders taking a huge gamble on a clubhouse cancer and old has been who won’t help team”
Haynesworth to NE?: “Belicheck is a genius. Great move”
Same wih Ochocinco if he would’ve gone to Oakland and now with the Pryor thing you see the reaction and KNOW if Belicheck would’ve done this? Pure genius.
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This is a product of the atmosphere of the organizations and their recent history. Prior to Jackson, Gruden was the only demanding coach we have had since…..well, its been awhile. This organization let Chester McGlockton run through defensive drills in a full length leather jacket. Being a players owner does have some issues when you are trying to get the best from your roster.
Al hires a lot of guys who no name recognition (no street cred) and sometimes the players have walked on them.
I always wished that Parcells (a friend of Davis) would have came in for a few years.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Satele is a lock also…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Alex7 aint been no glory since 83…..those old mthfkas didnt win hence the no speed. Parcells said it all 2002 it would fk us
August 24th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
838.BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Thec…fkin amen…..can you tell YA, BHP and jhill this please?
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B what up? Those two are above my pay grade…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Good Trevor Scott! Ball out we need ur pass rushing
August 24th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Like I keep saying mAny on this site dont like the meat and potatoes
August 24th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
If our front 4 really holds it down at the POA McClain would not be getting swallowed up by OG’s and T’s…
However, is Romac a franchise MLB??? He sohuld be improving this year, what are the indications that this is occuring?
August 24th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
speed or no speed, Rice burned that @zz for a 50+yrd TD catch against Tampa…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
I always wished that Parcells (a friend of Davis) would have came in for a few years.
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Tough call. Its allways tough to do business with friends. I will admit however, i allways hoped that parcells would give the Raiders a turn…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Do a value comparision…
Romac his rookie year vs PWill his first year.
Who would folks say was the most dominate as a rookie?
August 24th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Ok Cockran, Practice is over. hit us with some good practice news notes tonite…
August 24th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Matter fact cockran i am going to call slacker….
You sohuld have know who #52 was…Get on your job cockran….
August 24th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Taht was gutierrez Thec, cork said
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
No sign of any new linebackers.
2 hours ago
August 24th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Will shall see how Chuck B does in his 1st two games as DC against teams the Raiders should beat in Denver and Buffalo!!
If the D plays bad against those crappy offenses…..this team is in team crap!
August 24th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Parcells has too much stature for Al Davis. Making Parcells the scapegoat for management failings, would have been too unbelievable for Davis to accomplish.
August 24th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Ausberry (undisclosed injury) says he should be able to play Sun; Hue not worried about Myers’ foot
58 seconds ago
August 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Morrison just came on 570 petros n money show. .. defended raider fans. .. said you can’t act a fool like that but that the one team his dad would not support Kirk in.. no matter what. .was If he signed with the fairy 49ers..
August 24th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Hue drops two wows re Trevor Scott
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Good luck in Buffalo Kirk… I think you will always be a raider at heart..
August 24th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Lol
August 24th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Seabass says 69-yard FG to end practice was a foot short; hit a 70-yarder a couple days ago
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
As much criticism as Al has received for drafting/building a “track team” vs a football team; we and the league are about to find out just how much ‘Speed Kills’ this year.
The genius of Davis is not so much in drafting these freakish talents its finding a coach(es) that can develop it.
We have had many freakish talents over the years but no one to develop that talent until now.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
VittorioTafurVittorio Tafur
Janikowski has a new body — still weighs 250 but spent lockout lifting weights. … Backup inside linebacker?
2 minutes ago
August 24th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
I should say no one that has been “successful” in developing the talents until now.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Parcells has too much stature for Al Davis. Making Parcells the scapegoat for management failings, would have been too unbelievable for Davis to accomplish.
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Hell yeah. Would have been a threat to the regime, which is exactly what we need.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Funny, I was told Kirk was all but signed here in Oakland!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
As much criticism as Al has received for drafting/building a “track team” vs a football team; we and the league are about to find out just how much ‘Speed Kills’ this year.
The genius of Davis is not so much in drafting these freakish talents its finding a coach(es) that can develop it.
We have had many freakish talents over the years but no one to develop that talent until now.
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Davis hires the coaches. He won’t hire anybody who would threaten his authority. Then he runs roughshod over them, and the players know they can do anything they want. Hence, the same undisciplined team year after year. It’s Davis’ kingdom. The buck stops with him.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
I assume Buffalo offered more $$$… 1 yrs contract
August 24th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
I hope we sign tatupu
August 24th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
You know it was really smart for Mr D to hold T Pryor out of camp until the got back to Oakland because it would’ve been a circus. Hue is trying to get this team headed in the right direction and all they ever want to talk about is Pryor. Plus this way this stuff will die down long before they disrupt anything also they get to do a presser all at one time and get it out of the way.
I’m sure Pryor already has his contract and playbook in hand and he’anxious to get to work with his new teammates.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
I’ll give Pryor 1.5-2yrs before he’s ready. They need to work on his mechanics.
He is a perfect fit for this kind of vertical offense. He has a strong arm to get it deep, nice accuracy on the deep ball, and he has the legs to turn it up field for big yardage (WRs running deep routes would leave lot open underneath).
We’ll see if he is successful or not. I think he’ll be OK. Not crowning him. But I can see the potential. The gamble is worth a 3rd round pick. The best part is we are not relying on him. So if he does become the guy, great! If not, doesn’t matter at this point.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
861.TerrapinRaider Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
As much criticism as Al has received for drafting/building a “track team” vs a football team; we and the league are about to find out just how much ‘Speed Kills’ this year.
The genius of Davis is not so much in drafting these freakish talents its finding a coach(es) that can develop it.
We have had many freakish talents over the years but no one to develop that talent until now.
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Very solid post…
August 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
T’pin #860 Can you imagine Tom Cable coaching this team? DMC would be on the trading block TJ would be slated to start and Bush would’ve already been traded.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Yep, pretty smart move. They will hold him out until they close camp. Keep the press out of the way.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Thec, what game you coming in for?
August 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
I want PRYOR to sit soak up game for at least 2 years…We can feature him on some gimick stuff here and there however, i want him getting ready to take over the reigns…
August 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
874.MistaBrown Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Thec, what game you coming in for?
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Jets game for sure….
August 24th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Sorry post #861 I couldn’t agree more…T’pin
August 24th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
tj the clown,
AL would never let a coach make player personnel moves like that. Every Raider fan in the world knows this but you! Put the bottle of scotch down suckah!
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Priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
T’pin #860 Can you imagine Tom Cable coaching this team? DMC would be on the trading block TJ would be slated to start and Bush would’ve already been traded.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
The work that Saunders and Hue have done so far with DHB speaks volumns…
August 24th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Me, you, and B in the endzone?
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Thec07 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
874.MistaBrown Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Thec, what game you coming in for?
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Jets game for sure….
August 24th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Granted a biased point of view, but judging from Tressell’s comments referencing Pryor’s speed of development given that he was able to focus solely on football for 5-6mths …as being astounding …Pryor may be ready sooner than we think.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
tj, how are you so fk’n clueless when you spend 95% of your life on this ?
August 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Thats why I say ‘1.5′ to 2yrs.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Corky??? WTF….Are we going to get any friggin updates at all around here? Son of a b1tch!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
LOL @ Corky
August 24th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Agree Thec
August 24th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
I don’t pretend to know all the Ins and Outs with respect to Pryor’s situation – din’t really pay it a whole lot of attn – but I do know the HC got fired as a result.
Now if the HC is still cool with this guy, loves this guy and raves about him publicly; that should be telling you a lot about the true nature of events.
Gives strong evidence to Priesttjs arguments that this goes on all the time in college football and its just so happen Pryor & Tressell got spotlighted.
I don’t know sht, but I would find it highly doubtful Teabow didn’t receive gifts
August 24th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
“From Black list to Black Hole”
I like the title.
http://www.afro.com/sections/sports/story.htm?storyid=72238
August 24th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
the thing that surprised me the most is the fact that he’s only been playing QB 6 years I was shocked how did he become that good that fast to be the top recruit in his class in 3 years only playing the position. Now he only spent 3 years in college a total of 6 at that position his entire career is ahead of him. He hasn’t even started to learn the position yet his potential is ridiculous. Most kids are pretty close to what they’re going to be at this stage but this kid is just rounding into shape. A true diamond in the rough.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Downlow man shut up with that Rice burned TB SCHIT!…. that phaggot did nada but score a garbage time TD where they let him run freely. He burned no one! Becuz of losers like you I know there is a God and Im overjoyed we didnt win a SB WITH THAT NINER BTCH! justice was served
August 24th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Let pryor do wildcats or options
August 24th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Mista u forgot about the great Norco Bob!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
You right I did forget Norco tell him to log in here and start kickin dirt.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Thec you have your ticks already?
August 24th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2011_pre_season
August 24th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
U Rice lovers make me sick…..i hoe u die in a car crash
August 24th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
The 1st time I saw Pryor play I wanted him a Raider, This makes up for a lot with me.
I hope I’m right cause I’ll only have myself to blame.
August 24th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Stevie Cokring your peeps want an update!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Bob looks in every once and a while…he will ppost soon enuff to roast Kell and MR
August 24th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Hope*
August 24th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Cork was right to not know who 52 is! The oppposing offenses dont know who he is either!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Steve is an upgrade from Jerry by far
August 24th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
B we are here at the same time we must be the same person. Wheres Beech so KK can really work himself into a lather ?
August 24th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Only those who enjoy imbecilic sports journalism like Jerry CrapDonald…..hey Fatt Kidd remember Dmac would never be good? how about for sure Al will take Gholston? Fkin clown
August 24th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
nope
August 24th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Kell is losing it mayne….his wife comes home late smellin like a porn studio,no homes sold and now he sweating Viagra for a refund. But a prez BO speech and shuck n buck dance on lezbo shows make him feel a lil bit better
August 24th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Listened to the PFT interview w/Pryor. Impressed me alot especially considering it was ad hoc and he’d already been drafted he could have easily started talking a different tone than pre-draft when he was likely coached what to say.
(Questioned about not appealing the suspension)
Said he’d do what the organization wants but I’m not for it because he doesn’t want any negative news about him – ‘its not about Terrelle Pryor, its about the team.’
(about the contract)
‘Not sure why I have to wait, its b/w Rosenthal and Raiders, but all I want to do is play football. I’m not concerned about the money, I just can’t wait to join the team and find my place.’
(about what kind of player he is)
‘I just want to win, Just Win Baby, and be the best. Everytime someone says I can’t do this, it just drives me more. No one will work harder than me. ‘
Among other things, he said several times how grateful he is to be in the NFL and play for the Raiders. He also mentioned his understanding the need to improve his footwork and accuracy and he praised Ken Anderson for helping him out. He said he can’t wait to get the playbook and learn it as fast as he can and start helping the team out in anyway he can.
He came off as intelligent, humble, hungry and ready to prove the critics wrong. This is a totally different person and attitude that we got with JaPurp. I expect the results to be just as different too. I recommend a listen to the interview if you haven’t already.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/23/pft-live-pryor-ready-for-his-nfl-opportunity/
Go RAIDERS!
August 24th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Where is MR and his million aliases
August 24th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
When prez BO gets done with his vacation he is going to start focusing on JOBS!
lmao
August 24th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Let it be known that Father Pride & Poise and the Turtle have stated that Hue Jackson is going to finally coach up all of Davis’ genius picks, and in so doing put to rest the sad legacy of all the coaches who’ve gone before and let the Old Creeper down, if not outright stabbed in the back.
RIP: Cable, Kiffin, Shell(redux), Turner, and Callahan.
…Bugel, White, Shell, and Shanahan.
Disloyal bastards all.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
854.KoolKell Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Parcells has too much stature for Al Davis. Making Parcells the scapegoat for management failings, would have been too unbelievable for Davis to accomplish.
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Can you imagine if Coach Davis tried to throw Parcels under the bus like he did some of his formers? Parcels woulda had NONE of that. Probably the reason Al didnt hire him. Al may be wiser than we think.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
861.TerrapinRaider Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
The genius of Davis is not so much in drafting these freakish talents its finding a coach(es) that can develop it.
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So your saying after 40-50 years Al has finally found a coach who can coach these guys up? Awesome.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Steve must be shooting for Jerry’s record for most post in a blog entry/topic.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Say what ever the fck you want about Cable, but why could not Al have left that status quo intact from last year? Why did he have to dump Cable and Marshall? I doubt Hue would have left Al for a HC gig somewhere else. Just wondering. No big deal. Hope to hell HueJax can get it done in spite of Al.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
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Heard good theory re T Pryor. Won’t be here until after camp breaks Friday so Raiders can work him out in private, when practices are closed
08.24.2011 at 07:08 PM
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Janikowski has a new body — still weighs 250 but spent lockout lifting weights. … Backup inside linebacker?
08.24.2011 at 06:08 PM
August 24th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
between Davis, Blackstock, Francis, Williams, Boyd,& Gbadyu who makes the final cut at LB?
[McClain, Wimbley, and Groves are locks]
assuming no other LBs are signed or traded for.
August 24th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
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August 24th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
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August 24th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
between Davis, Blackstock, Francis, Williams, Boyd,& Gbadyu who makes the final cut at LB?
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history suggests Williams
August 25th, 2011 at 6:00 am
Alex7 Says:
August 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Tim Tebow vs Terrelle Pryor
Both are highly-decorated college players whose teams played to their strengths.
Both players look better when a play breaks down and they get to use their superb athleticism outside the pocket.
Both players struggle dropping back, reading the D, and getting the ball out accurately to the correct receiver.
Both players struggled with accuracy against the better teams on their schedule.
Neither player was a better prospect than Kyle Boller or Trent Edwards, two guys who also had accuracy questions but strong arms in college.
Both are known for having a high work ethic.
One made a lot of bad decisions while in college.
Neither of them will be top-15 NFL QBs.
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Pryor hasnt played a single down. So you cannot judge his accuracy yet
Tim Tebow actually had a decent game against us
Pryor explained how to call out the blocking scheme against a blitz on Gruden’s QB camp
Pryor’s run ability is light years better than Tebow’s
Pryor’s made a lot of bad decisions in college which is 100% of the reason why he’s getting all this grief
If Gruden signed off on him, I believe it. Gruden was a QB’s coach with Green Bay
Even if you know the scout, he isnt a GM and FOURTEEN different GM’s went to look at his work out
Pryor went 31-4 in college and won two BCS Bowl games
His only weakness is that he didnt stay for his senior season to improve his stock.
August 25th, 2011 at 10:11 am
# bcz24 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
HE’s on the SEAHAWKS ROSTER STUPID
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They just released him jackass
*****************Just goes to show you are the real Seahawks fan.I don’t follow them but you must!!
August 25th, 2011 at 10:12 am
# J Hill Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:17
I’M STUPID
August 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am
# noteasilyimpressed Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
bcz24 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Seahawks have signed running back Vai Taua and released defensive tackle Kentwan Balmer, a former 1st-round pick for SF.
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Keep up junior
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J.HILL you gotta keep up with what goes on in YOUR division, the NFC wEST – MR. 49ER!
August 25th, 2011 at 10:16 am
# J Hill Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
#J Hill has to be a real dumbell.
August 25th, 2011 at 10:18 am
# BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Steve is an downgrade from Jerry by far
August 25th, 2011 at 10:20 am
# priesttj Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
T’pin #860 Can you imagine Tom Cable coaching this team? We’d be a lock to win our division and do some damage in the playoffs!!!!!!!.
August 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
# HueKnows Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
The 1st time I saw Pryor play I didn’t want him as a Raider, This makes me sick.
I hope I’m wrong cause I’ll only have myself to blame.
August 25th, 2011 at 10:23 am
# BeAlwaysUrselfCommittingtoExcellence2011 Says:
August 24th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Where is MR and his million aliases
*************you’re the only MR on this board you Seahawk fan!!!!!!
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